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 Re: 65535 ?!?  Alpha and VMS Was: Dave Cutler ANN: debug html  Re: Another missed opportunity Buy PCs (US$ 250,00) in Brazil CI activity.4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution Re: Dave Cutler  Re: Dave Cutler  Debugger error message# Re: DEC DBMS Schema Mismatch Errors  DNIC-E'NET commands? Re: DNIC-E'NET commands? DNIC-E'NET commands? SOLVED & Re: Dual ethernet config for failover?& Re: Dual ethernet config for failover? ES40 Serial Console  Re: ES40 Serial Console 8 Re: Formal Letter to the Newsgroup from Richard Marcello3 Re: From Richard Marcello Vice President of OpenVMS 6 Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached. Re: I still dont know! RE: I still dont know! RE: I still dont know! Re: I still dont know! Re: I still dont know! Re: Latest BIND exploit  Re: Latest BIND exploit  Re: Latest BIND exploit  Re: Latest BIND exploit  Re: Latest BIND exploit   Re: Looking for a 3,5" boot disk! Looking for specific TPU goodies. % Re: Looking for specific TPU goodies.  Missing Disk Space Re: Missing Disk Space Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem  Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem , Re: Mozilla 0.7 will not connect to anything, Re: Mozilla 0.7 will not connect to anything None Dare Call It NEWCO # Re: NOSLOT error on VAX OpenVMS 7.2  Re: NTP on VMS 7.1 Re: OPENVMS 7.3....When? Re: OPENVMS 7.3....When? Re: OpenVMS x NATO- Re: Plenum vs. non-plenum in the data center? - Re: Plenum vs. non-plenum in the data center? - Re: Plenum vs. non-plenum in the data center?  PointSecure, Inc press release Re: Source listings contents Re: Try this on Linux or NT/ME9 Typo in SPD for Compaq Enterprise Toolkit v2.0 (70.12.01)  Re: VMS Margin-alized  VMSINSTAL and version 5.0A VX/DCL5 Re: Where is the latest MIME for AXP? - They are here , Re: Why does CTRL/J behave strangely in DCL? Xerox = Digital  Re: Xerox = Digital   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:57:27 GMT ( From: Aieie Brazor <75841320@it.ibm.com> Subject: 65535 ?!?) Message-ID: <95m0ul$fq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hello,8 i'm searching for an information about error code 65535.% Maybe it is related to File System ?. A Can you suggest a manual where i can find out the meaning of this  error code ?   Thanks in advance  Aieie    -- ***** # "Questo biglietto  pluritimbrato."  "Che..?"& "E' pluritimbrato, timbrato pi volte"' "Eh, si vede che l'ho pagato di pi..."        Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 11:21:50 GMT 3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: Re: 65535 ?!?0 Message-ID: <95m2ce$go9$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  T In article <95m0ul$fq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Aieie Brazor <75841320@it.ibm.com> writes:9 >i'm searching for an information about error code 65535. & >Maybe it is related to File System ?.B >Can you suggest a manual where i can find out the meaning of this
 >error code ?   % Please give us some more information: " a) which operating system version?" b) which program are you running ? c) which command did you enter? 6 e) any error message associated with the above number?H f) any other relevenat information about the contect producing the above    error code?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:55:19 +0100 5 From: Klaus-Werner Gurgel <gurgel@ifm.uni-hamburg.de>  Subject: Re: 65535 ?!?2 Message-ID: <3A7EA2B7.164F8DCE@ifm.uni-hamburg.de>   Aieie Brazor wrote:  >  > Hello,: > i'm searching for an information about error code 65535.' > Maybe it is related to File System ?. C > Can you suggest a manual where i can find out the meaning of this  > error code ? > * To get the translation of error codes, try  % $ write sys$output f$message("65535") ( %SYSTEM-?-NOMSG, Message number 0000FFFF  B Look at the OpenVMS DCL Dictionary for further info on f$message .   Klaus-Werner   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:09:26 +0800 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>  Subject: Re: 65535 ?!?? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010205200926.007ab5c0@mail.bigpond.com>   + At 10:57 AM 2/5/01 GMT, Aieie Brazor wrote:  >Hello, 9 >i'm searching for an information about error code 65535. & >Maybe it is related to File System ?.B >Can you suggest a manual where i can find out the meaning of this
 >error code ?  >  >Thanks in advance >Aieie  2 Don't have a running VMS box in front of me but...  # $ write sys$output f$message(65535)   - will give you the text.  I think you will get $ $RMS-S-SUCCESS or something similar.- It is an ODD number therefore NOT an "error".  Hope this helps.     Regards, Dave. I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 08:56:10 -0500 * From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@Compaq.com> Subject: Re: 65535 ?!?* Message-ID: <3A7EB0FA.7B2A3DA8@Compaq.com>  M Sounds like an application-specific error code of -1 to me (65535 = 0xFFFF),  ( and not something generated by OpenVMS.    David B Sneddon wrote: > - > At 10:57 AM 2/5/01 GMT, Aieie Brazor wrote: 	 > >Hello, ; > >i'm searching for an information about error code 65535. ( > >Maybe it is related to File System ?.D > >Can you suggest a manual where i can find out the meaning of this > >error code ?  > >  > >Thanks in advance > >Aieie   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:28:57 -05002 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net> Subject: Re: 65535 ?!?+ Message-ID: <3a7ed514$1@newsfeed.vitts.com>   L Sounds like a DECC errno.  It indicates that you have to look at the "other"J error code, the VMS-specific one.  65535 means that the VMS error code wasK not mappable.  I don't recall what the variable is for the VMS code, but it  should be in <errno.h>.    -John   7 "Joshua Cope" <Joshua.Cope@Compaq.com> wrote in message $ news:3A7EB0FA.7B2A3DA8@Compaq.com...E > Sounds like an application-specific error code of -1 to me (65535 =  0xFFFF),) > and not something generated by OpenVMS.  >  > David B Sneddon wrote: > > / > > At 10:57 AM 2/5/01 GMT, Aieie Brazor wrote:  > > >Hello, = > > >i'm searching for an information about error code 65535. * > > >Maybe it is related to File System ?.F > > >Can you suggest a manual where i can find out the meaning of this > > >error code ?  > > >  > > >Thanks in advance
 > > >Aieie   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:52:53 -0500 " From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> Subject: Re: 65535 ?!?: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010205114808.02231f10@24.8.96.48>  / At 10:57 AM 2/5/2001 +0000, Aieie Brazor wrote:  >Hello, 9 >i'm searching for an information about error code 65535. & >Maybe it is related to File System ?.B >Can you suggest a manual where i can find out the meaning of this
 >error code ?   I You really need to include a *lot* more context (like where the error is  G coming from and how you're getting it) for you to get a useful answer.  ! However, as a shot in the dark...   D The Dec C RTL sets the errno variable to EVMSERR (65535) when a RTL C function encounters an error thrown by a system service. That code  > basically means "the real error code is in vaxc$errno instead"  K There are more details in section 4.1 of the Dec C Runtime Library Manual.  E (Or Compaq C Runtime Library Manual, depending on how new it is) The  M thing's also on the web, http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/5763P.htm      					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even ;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------    Date: 05 Feb 2001 19:04:25 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Alpha and VMS Was: Dave Cutler 0 Message-ID: <87pugxz8zq.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>  E Well, lets see what the Q have in their hand. ( and up their sleeve )   G They have the fastest CPU, Alpha has help the SPEC hill almost non stop F since about 95. Except for the 6 month trip to the liitle room ;) Only4 HP, SGI and ( once ) Intel have got in on that time.  
 They have;  ' The best multi-user general purpose OS.  The best desk-top OS. ? One of the best mixed soft RT and GP use OSs, and thus the best  SCADA platform. = The OS that is C2 'out of the box'. No special set up needed.  MMLS 'B' security as an option. < An OS that can easily be distributed for disaster tolerance.2 A highly flexible general purpose networkable GUI.  B Marketing, managment and corporate cringe that takes all the above- and come out with the industry joke also ran.    Well done Compaq.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:54:11 GMT : From: Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences <nclews@my-deja.com> Subject: ANN: debug html) Message-ID: <95m0oh$fna$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Available from  ) http://www.python.demon.co.uk/pickup.html   ? Brief Description: Validates links and creates HTML providing a @ number of alternate views of a web site. Totally written in DCL.    F Once UNZIPPed, @ the FREEWARE_DEMO to start, or read the enclosed text files.  A Restrictions/notes: Designed for manually coded pages in a single ? directory (related image files etc., limited support for single - subdirectory). Documentation is included. Not > sure how well it will work with framed sites (Let me know). IfA you have many, many pages, and many files, it may take a while to B execute. Can be run as a suite or by component interactively or to@ batch (Switch off verification if using a single file to batch!)? Creates files with HTM extension to easily distinguish from the D regular HTML files. (Also used to control/prevent automatic upload).  < Bugs: Please notify to the email in the package or as below.E (Preferably copy the email below as the home machine doesn't get much + exercise these days). Fixes not guaranteed!   G Comments: Requested, specifically to polish it for Freeware submission.   E Mirrors: Welcome but please include a link back to the above page for 4 latest version, and inform me to place mirror links.   Regards, Nic Clews   -- nclews at csc dot com      Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:07:17 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity * Message-ID: <3A7A94E5.4FA88FFB@uk.sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote: > H > Mark Garrett <Mark.Garrett@wedontwantyourspam.com.au> wrote in message? > news:B69EED0B.10E65%Mark.Garrett@wedontwantyourspam.com.au... @ > > in article 3A777C18.DF798B72@infopuls.com, Christof Brass at1 > > brass@infopuls.com wrote on 31/01/2001 13:44:  > M > >     And don't get on about RMS either its had its day, people want to run - > > relation databases not index files in RMS  > I > Most people I know run relational databases because they *have* to, not M > because they *want* to.  In the Unix world, the lack of RMS-like facilities I > make this need relatively frequent, though even there the popularity of K > third-party products such as C-ISAM indicates the gap in the Unix feature A > set (as do B-trieve- and dbm [?] -style products in the Windows  > environment).  >   C This isn't strictly true. Sun used to ship RMS type capability with H SunOS and Solaris it was part of the OS, it was based on a C-ISAM scheme@ and was called NETISAM. We used it for a number of our products ! such as Solstice Network Manager.   C However it was never widely used, people prefered to go out and use F Sybase of Oracle as their persistent storage and we ended up scrapping it.   N > There are plenty of applications where using an RDBMS is like killing a fleaM > with a .45:  *if* something like RMS is available, you don't need to choose L > between rolling your own moderately complex code or tying your applicationL > to a full-blown database package - which, of course, your application thenH > has to bundle in, because the database (or, for that matter, C-ISAM orF > B-trieve) data format is private, unlike something like RMS which is* > standard throughout the VMS environment. >   B One of the reasons why the NETISAM interface wasn't used much was C because developers did exactly what you describe, they went out and ? sourced a full blown DBMS. This may not have been as bad as it  @ seems, Sybase for example provided embedded licenses for Sybase = for their OEM's who then used a stripped down version without = the development tools etc as their persistent storage. These  < licenses to bundle a "black box" DBMS with the app were not 
 expensive.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:57:57 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br ' Subject: Buy PCs (US$ 250,00) in Brazil L Message-ID: <OF61D8E19A.4FF17D9F-ON032569EA.00579A7D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Click at  G http://www.ecountries.com/the_americas/brazil/news/2887813?co_brand=abc    Regards    FC   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:17:30 -0000; From: "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk>  Subject: CI activity. . Message-ID: <95mqkj$sfs$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>  L Is there a way of measuring the activity across an FDDI cluster interconnect with OpenVMS Alpha 6.2?   8 I sort of assume that there would be but cannot find it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:00:36 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution * Message-ID: <3A7AE7B4.9737AD76@uk.sun.com>   Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > andrew harrison wrote: >  > >  > > 7 > > Quite so how do you square this with Kerrys, logged 7 > > out users scenario, surely getting users to log out - > > is manual intervention to the nth degree.  > >  > B >  You are failing to distinguish between buisiness critical usersC > and developers/apps support/sysadmin type users. It is the former A > who have the high availability requirement, and need to work in G > an environment they percieve to be as close to 100% percent available 7 > as makes no difference. The latter must be assumed to N > be competant to save their work and logout on request for system admin work. >   9 Quite so how does this square with Kerry's log the users  % out and down the node uptime bandage.   9 You yourself have said that the mission critical business ; users are the ones that are likely to be the ones you can't 9 rely on to log out having saved their work. But these are 8 just the users that you need to get logged out safely in% order to hide Kerrys sleight of hand.    Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 13:33:10 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution3* Message-ID: <3A7AB716.B6EC40AF@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Andrew,! >   > Please re-read previous posts. > L > This is getting boring as you keep bring up stuff that has been hashed out	 > before.l > M > >>> Quite so how do you square this with Kerrys, logged out users scenario, N > surely getting users to log out is manual intervention to the nth degree.<<< > N > You know perfectly well this applies to users who stay logged in for days at	 > a time.d > ; > How many users on eBay stay logged in for days at a time?u >  > Defence rests. >   > Firstly the posters who disagreed with you did so because they4 did have users who are logged in for days at a time.  8 Secondly you seem to think for some bizarre reason that < the only things that consume resource in a system are logged< in users, this is a fundamental mistake. Some of the systems: I work on have no logged in users but they have processes + that run continually for 20-30-40-50 days.    : So on both counts I am afraid the defenses case such as it was is a crock.   M > >>> I am simply pointing out that the claims that Kerry and jlsue have beenlN > making for OpenVMS clusters are not realistic and belong only in a marketing > slide. <<< > M > More old stuff. So, if this is all marketing, I guess I should not tell thecL > Customers that are doing this today that what they are doing is impossible > eh?r >  > ROTFL. > 
 > Regards, >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultantn > Compaq Canada Inc. > Professional Servicese > Voice: 613-592-4660r > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >  > -----Original Message-----9 > From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]e! > Sent: January 31, 2001 11:28 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp? > Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution  >  > shielm00 wrote:I > >e
 > > Ok Folks,  > >eM > > I hate to do this, as I know how the group feels about AH's postings, butr > asB > > it was specfically stated in his last post, I have a question. > >.; > > In response to our favourite architects latest missive.h > > A > > "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in message ' > > news:3A75A4CF.96B29AE@uk.sun.com...- > >- > > Various bits deleted > >-9 > > > You really don't get it do you. Firstly in terms ofi9 > > > availability having 80% of apps surviving a re-bootg9 > > > of the node they are on is hardly going to convincen9 > > > anyone that you have an HA platform, if it was thate$ > > > easy even MS could claim that. > > L > > How many cluster apps survive a reboot of a Sun cluster 2.2 node on that > > node. 80%, 70%, 60% ?  > >eK > > I think the answer will surprise a few people and give you some idea ofo > gapEJ > > that existed between VMS and Sun Clusters ( 4 nodes and they call it aL > > cluster). They may well have fixed this in Suncluster V3.0, but there is* > > always the *.0 release to be aware of. > >a > 6 > I don't think you grasped the point. I am not making6 > any claims for SunClusters, I am simply pointing out7 > that the claims that Kerry and jlsue have been makings8 > for OpenVMS clusters are not realistic and belong only > in a marketing slide.S > 8 > In addition if you allow the kind of lenience required6 > to get the level of uptime claimed by Kerry, logging5 > users out etc then you can also get the same uptime)  > on other non OpenVMS clusters. > 6 > > There is a catch, no manual intervention allowed ! > >  > 5 > Quite so how do you square this with Kerrys, loggeda5 > out users scenario, surely getting users to log out + > is manual intervention to the nth degree.- > 	 > Regards- > Andrew Harrison- > Enterprise IT Architect    -- l Andrew Harrisonr Enterprise IT Architect1   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:23:02 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution,* Message-ID: <3A7AECF6.374CD4EB@uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote: > 5 > On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:13:51 +0000, andrew harrison-# > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:- >  > >jlsue wrote:e > 8 > >Nice try but you arn't listening. A number of posters7 > >who do have extensive experience of managing OpenVMS77 > >clusters disagreed with your hypothesis and provided 5 > >examples of their own where your and Kerrys claimst* > >for uptime using OpenVMS were not true. > E > You lie.  Nobody talked about their 'extensive' experience managingnD > VMSclusters, but only mentioned that they have *a* VMScluster thatE > can't be managed as has been described.  I don't recall any of themeD > saying they have 'extensive' experience - which, to me, means muchH > more than managing just 1 or 2 clusters.   And the "number of posters"E > was only something like 2 or 3.  And, again, this is *still* a verygD > small number, compared to the number that benefits from VMScluster9 > configurations wihtout *any* application modifications.i >   6 Wow you are quick to the personal abuse button. Do you, have some sort of repressed anger problem ??  + But lets examine your allegations shall we:   9 Firstly is it your allegation that the posters you refer  6 to don't have extensive experience of managing OpenVMS6 clusters ? If so perhaps you should let them know what6 you think of them directly, perhaps you could suggest 5 some career advice to help them get up to your level.n  < Or are you simply suggesting that you dislike my description7 of them as being experienced because despite plenty of -9 evidence that they all did have extensive OpenVMS clusterS2 experience they were too modest to claim this for  themselves..    B > Constantly repeating the same lie doesn't make it suddenly true. >   / Right and this is something you clearly havn't   learnt.   ? > I believe that all of the points were answered, and have been F > addressed.  If you have something specific, out with it then.  Don'tH > think your FUD-like accusations will get anywhere with me, not withoutG > some concrete proof.  If you want to make a point, *you* bring up theeG > posts that prove your point.  It's not my job to do your work for youa > in this discussion.i  9 No they wern't, perhaps you could go back and for exampler7 answer Bill Todds posts, I didn't see you popping up to  refute them.    1 > >But here is an example for you. I have a large 5 > >Fortran program which is being used for re-pricingi: > >explain how this magically became able to recover state9 > >to the point where it stopped when I rebooted the nodeb > >it was running on.r > >J7 > >It does not use a DBMS for storage and it writes its66 > >results at the end of each run which can take up to > >20 hours. > >C4 > >You could argue that its badly designed but don't* > >try arguing that it is remotely unique. > @ > Wow, you really expect someone to fix your program via usenet. >     E > But I think I've already explained how most business programming is H > done, and has been done for 40+ years:  restart capability *should* beH > built into any application that runs for a significant amount of time.H > This is simple programming and shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of0 > someone with 'architect' in his/her job title. >   @ And when will you learn that many things that "should" be built = into programs are not. Your "perfect world" ideas are almost r? too funny and illustrate if any illustration was necessary thata? you shouldn't be getting into arguments that you are apparentlyT ill equipped to win. A  , "SHOULD" be built does not mean "ARE" built.    6 > >You really don't get it do you. Firstly in terms of6 > >availability having 80% of apps surviving a re-boot6 > >of the node they are on is hardly going to convince6 > >anyone that you have an HA platform, if it was that! > >easy even MS could claim that.o > @ > Wow, you really don't understand statistics, do you?  You alsoA > completely ignore the description of the process as it has been A > presented several times to you.  Or, you just refuse to give ito? > serious consideration in order to live in your little bubble.s >   5 No I understand statistics rather better than you do.   7 Lets try this, in your scenario 2 out of 10 of the apps 4 running on your cluster will not survive the reboot 6 of the node they are running on and the business using4 those 2 apps will lose service/data for an undefined2 amount of time. The best case scenario is that the1 2 apps have no business impact, the worst case iso/ that they are critical to the business. If they:1 are critical to the business then your and Kerrys 3 uptime claims are out of the window along with the i1 jobs of the people who beleived the marketing BS.   / Either way this is hardly a scenario you could  5 sell to anyone who knows anything about Availability  1 analysis which you certainly havn't demonstrated n any grasp of yet.      Regards- Andrew Harrisonb Enterprise IT Architectm   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:20:22 -0000+ From: "shielm00" <Mike_Shield-1@sbphrd.com>.= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution 2 Message-ID: <95m9ch$gt1$1@phunn2.um.us.sbphrd.com>  % My apologies for the tone in advance.s     Andrew,b  ) Shut up and go and fix your own software.i  L In answer to my own question, which you chose not to answer directly, eitherG because you know the truth and were simply too embarassed to answer, or D don't know and wouldn't be spouting on about availabilty if you did.  I Q. In a Sun cluster, running version 2.2 of Sun cluster software, which I J imagine most Sun clusters will be running given the time delay between theK release of V 3.0 and customers implementaion, how many apps will survive onk a node, following its reboot.c  H That is not, how many will fail over, or how long will it take, which is9 another black hole you might not want to get to close to.   K A. None, as you have to restart the cluster software by hand on a restarted J node. 0% availabilty. Argue how you like, those were them terms you chose.  * Pretty hot stuff, this Sun clustering. Not   On a different note-  L In recent tests, we configured aV5.1 TRU64 cluster with only 2-3 commands inL about 40 mins. That includes creating the common system disk and boot disks.    Still not as simple as VMS mind.   Mike Shieldp --C The opinions expressed in this communication are my own, and do notn) necessarily reflect those of my employer. = "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in messagee$ news:3A7AECF6.374CD4EB@uk.sun.com... > jlsue wrote: > >e7 > > On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:13:51 +0000, andrew harrisonl% > > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:r > >d > > >jlsue wrote:l > >d: > > >Nice try but you arn't listening. A number of posters9 > > >who do have extensive experience of managing OpenVMS 9 > > >clusters disagreed with your hypothesis and provided 7 > > >examples of their own where your and Kerrys claimsy, > > >for uptime using OpenVMS were not true. > >eG > > You lie.  Nobody talked about their 'extensive' experience managingnF > > VMSclusters, but only mentioned that they have *a* VMScluster thatG > > can't be managed as has been described.  I don't recall any of them F > > saying they have 'extensive' experience - which, to me, means muchJ > > more than managing just 1 or 2 clusters.   And the "number of posters"G > > was only something like 2 or 3.  And, again, this is *still* a very F > > small number, compared to the number that benefits from VMScluster; > > configurations wihtout *any* application modifications.d > >c >e8 > Wow you are quick to the personal abuse button. Do you. > have some sort of repressed anger problem ?? >-- > But lets examine your allegations shall we:r > : > Firstly is it your allegation that the posters you refer8 > to don't have extensive experience of managing OpenVMS8 > clusters ? If so perhaps you should let them know what7 > you think of them directly, perhaps you could suggests7 > some career advice to help them get up to your level.  > > > Or are you simply suggesting that you dislike my description8 > of them as being experienced because despite plenty of; > evidence that they all did have extensive OpenVMS clusterl3 > experience they were too modest to claim this fors
 > themselves.  >t >oD > > Constantly repeating the same lie doesn't make it suddenly true. > >  >y0 > Right and this is something you clearly havn't	 > learnt.e > A > > I believe that all of the points were answered, and have beeniH > > addressed.  If you have something specific, out with it then.  Don'tJ > > think your FUD-like accusations will get anywhere with me, not withoutI > > some concrete proof.  If you want to make a point, *you* bring up thetI > > posts that prove your point.  It's not my job to do your work for you  > > in this discussion.a >a; > No they wern't, perhaps you could go back and for examplea9 > answer Bill Todds posts, I didn't see you popping up to  > refute them. >e >o3 > > >But here is an example for you. I have a larget7 > > >Fortran program which is being used for re-pricingl< > > >explain how this magically became able to recover state; > > >to the point where it stopped when I rebooted the noded > > >it was running on.e > > >o9 > > >It does not use a DBMS for storage and it writes itsa8 > > >results at the end of each run which can take up to > > >20 hours. > > >n6 > > >You could argue that its badly designed but don't, > > >try arguing that it is remotely unique. > >aB > > Wow, you really expect someone to fix your program via usenet. > >i >m >.G > > But I think I've already explained how most business programming is J > > done, and has been done for 40+ years:  restart capability *should* beJ > > built into any application that runs for a significant amount of time.J > > This is simple programming and shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of2 > > someone with 'architect' in his/her job title. > >o > A > And when will you learn that many things that "should" be builtc> > into programs are not. Your "perfect world" ideas are almostA > too funny and illustrate if any illustration was necessary that-A > you shouldn't be getting into arguments that you are apparentlye > ill equipped to win. >j. > "SHOULD" be built does not mean "ARE" built. >O >D8 > > >You really don't get it do you. Firstly in terms of8 > > >availability having 80% of apps surviving a re-boot8 > > >of the node they are on is hardly going to convince8 > > >anyone that you have an HA platform, if it was that# > > >easy even MS could claim that.w > >oB > > Wow, you really don't understand statistics, do you?  You alsoC > > completely ignore the description of the process as it has beeniC > > presented several times to you.  Or, you just refuse to give it A > > serious consideration in order to live in your little bubble.- > >- >-7 > No I understand statistics rather better than you do.m >n9 > Lets try this, in your scenario 2 out of 10 of the appsa5 > running on your cluster will not survive the rebootD8 > of the node they are running on and the business using6 > those 2 apps will lose service/data for an undefined4 > amount of time. The best case scenario is that the3 > 2 apps have no business impact, the worst case is 1 > that they are critical to the business. If they 3 > are critical to the business then your and Kerryss4 > uptime claims are out of the window along with the3 > jobs of the people who beleived the marketing BS.  >i0 > Either way this is hardly a scenario you could6 > sell to anyone who knows anything about Availability2 > analysis which you certainly havn't demonstrated > any grasp of yet.e >m >a	 > Regardst > Andrew Harrisont > Enterprise IT Architectn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:13:51 +0000u0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution ) Message-ID: <3A7EC32F.449E330@uk.sun.com>'   shielm00 wrote:o > ' > My apologies for the tone in advance.u > 	 > Andrew,a > + > Shut up and go and fix your own software.h >   0 I am not making any claims for SunCluster or any other cluster for that matter.  0 Nor am I suggesting that there is anything wrong with OpenVMS clusters. m  - I am simply pointing out the obvious which isj2 that Kerry's and jlsues claims are not supportable/ on OpenVMS clusters (anymore than they would be>. supportable on SunCluster, TruCluster etc etc)/ because they require too many pre-conditions tot, be met. And if the pre-conditions did exist * then sadly for Kerry and jlsue almost any  cluster could do the job.   $ Trying to switch the argument to the+ merits or otherwise of any other clustering # software is simply a smoke screen.    + Why not address the OpenVMS questions, thisr. thread after all is based on Kerrys origional 1 marketing statements about OpenVMS clustering anda uptime.u  N > In answer to my own question, which you chose not to answer directly, eitherI > because you know the truth and were simply too embarassed to answer, oryF > don't know and wouldn't be spouting on about availabilty if you did. > K > Q. In a Sun cluster, running version 2.2 of Sun cluster software, which ISL > imagine most Sun clusters will be running given the time delay between theM > release of V 3.0 and customers implementaion, how many apps will survive on  > a node, following its reboot.  > J > That is not, how many will fail over, or how long will it take, which is; > another black hole you might not want to get to close to.i > M > A. None, as you have to restart the cluster software by hand on a restartedsL > node. 0% availabilty. Argue how you like, those were them terms you chose. > , > Pretty hot stuff, this Sun clustering. Not >  > On a different notee > N > In recent tests, we configured aV5.1 TRU64 cluster with only 2-3 commands inN > about 40 mins. That includes creating the common system disk and boot disks. > " > Still not as simple as VMS mind. > 
 > Mike Shieldw > --E > The opinions expressed in this communication are my own, and do notA+ > necessarily reflect those of my employer.R? > "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in messagem& > news:3A7AECF6.374CD4EB@uk.sun.com... > > jlsue wrote: > > > 9 > > > On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:13:51 +0000, andrew harrison ' > > > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:  > > >  > > > >jlsue wrote:. > > >n< > > > >Nice try but you arn't listening. A number of posters; > > > >who do have extensive experience of managing OpenVMSs; > > > >clusters disagreed with your hypothesis and providedi9 > > > >examples of their own where your and Kerrys claimsu. > > > >for uptime using OpenVMS were not true. > > >fI > > > You lie.  Nobody talked about their 'extensive' experience managingoH > > > VMSclusters, but only mentioned that they have *a* VMScluster thatI > > > can't be managed as has been described.  I don't recall any of them H > > > saying they have 'extensive' experience - which, to me, means muchL > > > more than managing just 1 or 2 clusters.   And the "number of posters"I > > > was only something like 2 or 3.  And, again, this is *still* a veryyH > > > small number, compared to the number that benefits from VMScluster= > > > configurations wihtout *any* application modifications.a > > >  > >': > > Wow you are quick to the personal abuse button. Do you0 > > have some sort of repressed anger problem ?? > >c/ > > But lets examine your allegations shall we:o > >n< > > Firstly is it your allegation that the posters you refer: > > to don't have extensive experience of managing OpenVMS: > > clusters ? If so perhaps you should let them know what9 > > you think of them directly, perhaps you could suggestt9 > > some career advice to help them get up to your level.c > > @ > > Or are you simply suggesting that you dislike my description: > > of them as being experienced because despite plenty of= > > evidence that they all did have extensive OpenVMS clustert5 > > experience they were too modest to claim this forp > > themselves.  > >- > >nF > > > Constantly repeating the same lie doesn't make it suddenly true. > > >a > >r2 > > Right and this is something you clearly havn't > > learnt.p > >.C > > > I believe that all of the points were answered, and have beenoJ > > > addressed.  If you have something specific, out with it then.  Don'tL > > > think your FUD-like accusations will get anywhere with me, not withoutK > > > some concrete proof.  If you want to make a point, *you* bring up theeK > > > posts that prove your point.  It's not my job to do your work for youu > > > in this discussion.y > >s= > > No they wern't, perhaps you could go back and for examples; > > answer Bill Todds posts, I didn't see you popping up too > > refute them. > >b > >h5 > > > >But here is an example for you. I have a larget9 > > > >Fortran program which is being used for re-pricing > > > > >explain how this magically became able to recover state= > > > >to the point where it stopped when I rebooted the node  > > > >it was running on.j > > > >2; > > > >It does not use a DBMS for storage and it writes itsg: > > > >results at the end of each run which can take up to > > > >20 hours. > > > >b8 > > > >You could argue that its badly designed but don't. > > > >try arguing that it is remotely unique. > > >uD > > > Wow, you really expect someone to fix your program via usenet. > > >r > >  > > I > > > But I think I've already explained how most business programming isoL > > > done, and has been done for 40+ years:  restart capability *should* beL > > > built into any application that runs for a significant amount of time.L > > > This is simple programming and shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of4 > > > someone with 'architect' in his/her job title. > > >  > >kC > > And when will you learn that many things that "should" be built @ > > into programs are not. Your "perfect world" ideas are almostC > > too funny and illustrate if any illustration was necessary that C > > you shouldn't be getting into arguments that you are apparently  > > ill equipped to win. > > 0 > > "SHOULD" be built does not mean "ARE" built. > >o > > : > > > >You really don't get it do you. Firstly in terms of: > > > >availability having 80% of apps surviving a re-boot: > > > >of the node they are on is hardly going to convince: > > > >anyone that you have an HA platform, if it was that% > > > >easy even MS could claim that.u > > >.D > > > Wow, you really don't understand statistics, do you?  You alsoE > > > completely ignore the description of the process as it has been E > > > presented several times to you.  Or, you just refuse to give ithC > > > serious consideration in order to live in your little bubble.i > > >  > >f9 > > No I understand statistics rather better than you do.o > >v; > > Lets try this, in your scenario 2 out of 10 of the appse7 > > running on your cluster will not survive the reboota: > > of the node they are running on and the business using8 > > those 2 apps will lose service/data for an undefined6 > > amount of time. The best case scenario is that the5 > > 2 apps have no business impact, the worst case isa3 > > that they are critical to the business. If they 5 > > are critical to the business then your and Kerrysi6 > > uptime claims are out of the window along with the5 > > jobs of the people who beleived the marketing BS.y > >i2 > > Either way this is hardly a scenario you could8 > > sell to anyone who knows anything about Availability4 > > analysis which you certainly havn't demonstrated > > any grasp of yet.h > >l > >  > > Regardsn > > Andrew Harrison" > > Enterprise IT Architect    -- u Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectu   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:34:58 GMT % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>a Subject: Re: Dave Cutler) Message-ID: <95lvki$eq9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   , In article <3A7DE57B.1719FF59@infopuls.com>,,   Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:  B > Compaq is not depending on Intel. There are several alternatives= > and AFAIK Compaq already started selling AMD based systems.f >   F They might use AMD but Compaq stated at that infamous Analysts meetingD last week that their number one 'franchise' was Microsoft and alwaysC would be. Next came Intel, then Oracle then SAP. The company policyy< would be not to do anything that might upset these partners.  B > Using Alpha has the technical advantage of beeing free of legacy@ > instructions. Technically there is no doubt that with the same< > effort the Alpha can't be beaten by IA-32. With the memoryA > addressing capabilities of 64 Bit there should also be a marketsA > place for the Alpha. As you pointed out: marketing is needed tot% > get your stuff to the market place.t >e3 > Do you know what processor the XBox is featuring? K Intel Pentium. It also runs NT. Slightly suspicious for a games only box...s  = > Now that Intel is entering the SW business (they don't tell : > anybody what OS they are using for their Internet boxes)6 > Micro$oft should be very interested in supporting an > alternative. >k   -- --
 Alan Greig     Sent via Deja.comw http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:49:53 -0500e2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Dave CutlerL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0502011049530001@user-2ive62n.dialup.mindspring.com>  P In article <95lvki$eq9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> wrote:    H > They might use AMD but Compaq stated at that infamous Analysts meetingF > last week that their number one 'franchise' was Microsoft and alwaysE > would be. Next came Intel, then Oracle then SAP. The company policyt> > would be not to do anything that might upset these partners.  H And that promise will last until Intel falls significantly behind AMD...   -- n Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comc   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:54:59 GMTe$ From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark) Subject: Debugger error messagel/ Message-ID: <3a7ebe78.21280690@news.force9.net>h   Hi,o  B I am trying to debug a program (written in C++). When I typed "GO"; I got the following error message repeated over and over :-n  C %DEBUG-E-RPCERR, an internal inter-process communications error has  occurred, -DEBUG-E-BADSTATUS, bad status returned from DBG$ALLOCATE_REQUEST_PACKETh! -LIB-F-QUEWASEMP, queue was empty   ! Does anyone know what this means?e   TIA 
 Mark Williams1   ------------------------------   Date: 05 Feb 2001 15:59:30 GMT! From: markdiaz@aol.com (MarkDiaz)a, Subject: Re: DEC DBMS Schema Mismatch Errors: Message-ID: <20010205105930.01521.00000682@ng-fo1.aol.com>  0 >"Barry Treahy, Jr: wrote/Alan Greig's response: > M >Yes, and no... Of all of the MANMAN modules we use, it is only three utilitye >gI >> commands used for processing and posting cycle count activity but what  >is so% >> odd, is that most days it works...  >> >eI >I have actually seen bizarre MANMAN problems that might be related. In a  >fewK >cases there are Fortran array bound violations even within current MANMAN.  >BynH >default MANMAN is not compiled with /check=bounds. For some reason this >codingaM >error seems to occur mostly in Dataport modules. Virtually any sort of crash  >canH >happen with this type of random over-writing but usually it doesn't. We >had oneK >utility that crashed only about once or twice a year then ran fine for the  >next'I >year or so. I gave up on CA solving it and delved into the Fortran. Wheng >I foundK >the problem and suggested to support that they at least compile field tests9 >MANMAN with /check=bounds they said "what does that do"!n >sM >Not sure of your compiler version but it might be worth a try of a recompileo >ofdI >the modules and common subroutines with /debug and/check switches if alln >elseiJ >fails. However it does sound as if you are falling very early in the code >if it< >can't even open the database making corruption less likely.  M This is ringing a stong bell. We found an error like this using /CHECK=ALL on K the compile. You shouldn't get this sort of error intermitantly if the sameO< code and the same database are being used for each attempt.   O For at least one version of MANMAN, there is a dataport fortran include file intI the MM$LIBRARY directory (in case you don't have dataport) that assumes a L certain number of transaction sets, while if you have dataport installed theK include file differs in array dimensins or string size in the clone of thatiL include file in the dataport directory. It results in memory being scribbledH on, and I seem to recall it resulted in overwriting one of the subschemaF control blocks after they had been checked for consistancy by the DBMSK initialization code, which would result in the "bad SSC" error during imagefN activation. Try relinking MGMANMAN with a MAP and look for one of the DataportO commons being a different size. If you have Dataport installed and aren't usingyL it, try getting rid of it and relinking the MGMANMAN image. If you are usingN dataport, try recompiling the modules in standard MANMAN that use the dataportM include files (I think it was one in MM$LIBSRC - MMINPUTC?) with the dataportt/ search list logicals defined, and relinking MG..  H Since it only occurs for the commands that access the physical inventoryN database, you can eliminate the database as a problem if any phyical inventory+ command works (like list the reason codes).   8 Sorry I can't be more specific, it was a long time ago.    Regards,	 Mark DiazI markdiaz@aol.com   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 15:06:59 GMT 3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: DNIC-E'NET commands? 0 Message-ID: <95mfij$lj4$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hello,  J sorry if this is not the appropriate group but I thought some of you might have an answer anyway...  L Today I fiddled around with an LN17ps and especially with its ethernet card.J The card looks more like a terminal- or print-server than a simple networkJ interface. But the documentation is poor and the online help is bugous andO doesn't explain much besides the command syntax. So, is there a more exhaustivehI documentation of this card? Or to be more concrete, how do I get the card # to take its time from a timeserver?o   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannr  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:49:33 -0500 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>! Subject: Re: DNIC-E'NET commands? C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-47162C.12493305022001@news.compaq.com>   1 In article <95mfij$lj4$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, e gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de wrote:i  < > So, is there a more exhaustive documentation of this card?   Yes, at:  rE    http://www.compaq.com/products/printers/support/prt_docs_ln17.htmle  F > Or to be more concrete, how do I get the card to take its time from  > a timeserver?i  ( I don't think the LN17 has that feature.   Paul   -- i,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 16:25:30 GMTt3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)e$ Subject: DNIC-E'NET commands? SOLVED0 Message-ID: <95mk5q$ng9$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  N In article <95mfij$lj4$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:  M >Today I fiddled around with an LN17ps and especially with its ethernet card.sK >The card looks more like a terminal- or print-server than a simple networkeK >interface. But the documentation is poor and the online help is bugous and-P >doesn't explain much besides the command syntax. So, is there a more exhaustiveJ >documentation of this card? Or to be more concrete, how do I get the card$ >to take its time from a timeserver?  O I got it to set its time but I wouldn't mind finding a real good documentation. ! A few remarks concering the time:aL   CHANGE SERVER TIMEZONE STANDARD -1    => means local time is GMT + 1 hour!O   CHANGE SERVER TIMEZONE RESYNC 4       => will sync clock with server at 4 am,gK                                            you cannot specify 3:30, though.h0   The card doesn't do NTP or SNTP, it uses TIME.A   CHANGE NODE my_timeserver TIMESERVER DEFAULT IP abd.def.ghi.jkll0                                                ^H                                                Online help states NETIP!F   And of course you have to specify an IP-address, a subnet mask and a4   default gateway. Don't forget to authorize TCP/IP!   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannr  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:52:12 +0800' From: "Maverick" <seawyk@letterbox.com>e/ Subject: Re: Dual ethernet config for failover?a0 Message-ID: <95m42r$dsr$1@newsie.singa.pore.net>  K Is Netrain implemented in Tru64 Unix only? Forgive me if I am wrong, but isi% there plans to implement this in VMS?     = "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net> wrote in message % news:3a7db556$1@newsfeed.vitts.com... G > I did a little looking into this within UCX (and TCPIP works the sameo way).iH > While you could have two interfaces on the same subnet, datagrams sent fromG > the system will always go out over the same interface.  The choice ofa whichUK > one is an ordering issue, which was defined first or last, I don't recall  > which. >sC > So, you end up receiving datagrams on both adapters but only send 	 responsesl > out the first one. >eG > There is a facility called "netrain", which I believe will allow loadlF > balancing and failover.  This has not been implemented in TCPIP yet. >w > -Johne >gL > "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com.spammffree> wrote in message1 > news:F61b6.27$cu.319@gazette.loc1.tandem.com... 7 > > > 1. How does DNS resolve a name to 2 IP addresses?j > >wK > > DNS uses round-robin when handing out addresses.  However, this doesn't  > giveI > > you failover.  In fact, if one of the interfaces fails, then DNS willrK > > dutifully continue to handout both interfaces in a round-robin fashion,uI > > which will mean some users will have intermittent trouble connecting.f > That > > would be a pain. > >uJ > > To resolve this, you can add the load-broker and metric server to yourJ > > network.  The load-broker will poll the metric server, running on each ofK > > the participating nodes.  If the metric server fails to respond after 3eE > > attempts, the load-broker will remove that interface from the DNSu > database.t/ > > This requires Dynamic DNS to be configured.l > > D > > This fixes the inbound traffic problem by preventing anyone from > connectingJ > > to the bad interface, however, there is another problem.  The outboundC > > traffic will consult the local routing table to determine whicho	 interfaceu > toK > > use to send data.  So if the bad interface reamains configured, then ite > mayyE > > be selected for outbound traffic, which of course also causes thet networke > toG > > fail.  To address this, you might develop a command procedure whichl pings?I > > the default router.  If it fails (after 3 attempts, say), then removey thehH > > failed interface, (TCPIP SET NOINTERFACE).  This will remove the badK > > interface from the routing table, and so you should continue operating.iK > > (There are other factors too - e.g. are interfaces in the same subnet.)t > >hL > > Then you can make use of the internet cluster alias, which requires yourH > > nodes to be configured in a VMS cluster.  If one node in the cluster failseH > > (rebooted etc) then one of the other cluster members will become the ownereL > > of the cluster IP address.  (The cluster alias doesn't give you failover; > > between controllers, it is a failover between systems).u > > K > > Finally, with multiple controllers, you could attach each controller toa anJ > > different subnet, then place a router between the subnets.  Then if anL > > interface fails, the router should be able to dynamically reroute to theG > > available interface.  (I haven't tried this configuration, but have  heard G > > others speak of it, and in theory it should work - you will need anl6 > > excellent working knowledge of routing protocols). > >e > > Cheers,h	 > > Matt.t > >  > >  > >l >o >o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:31:24 -05002 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net>/ Subject: Re: Dual ethernet config for failover?o+ Message-ID: <3a7ed5ac$1@newsfeed.vitts.com>   K I know that we were looking at it but it didn't make it into V5.1.  I can't K make any commitments, but I know that it is a desireable feature and we areo interested in it.    -Johnu  2 "Maverick" <seawyk@letterbox.com> wrote in message* news:95m42r$dsr$1@newsie.singa.pore.net...J > Is Netrain implemented in Tru64 Unix only? Forgive me if I am wrong, but is' > there plans to implement this in VMS?y >p >n? > "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net> wrote in messagen' > news:3a7db556$1@newsfeed.vitts.com...uI > > I did a little looking into this within UCX (and TCPIP works the same  > way). J > > While you could have two interfaces on the same subnet, datagrams sent > fromI > > the system will always go out over the same interface.  The choice ofw > whicheF > > one is an ordering issue, which was defined first or last, I don't recall
 > > which. > >aE > > So, you end up receiving datagrams on both adapters but only sends > responses  > > out the first one. > >tI > > There is a facility called "netrain", which I believe will allow loadSH > > balancing and failover.  This has not been implemented in TCPIP yet. > > 	 > > -Johno > >rF > > "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com.spammffree> wrote in message 3 > > news:F61b6.27$cu.319@gazette.loc1.tandem.com...e9 > > > > 1. How does DNS resolve a name to 2 IP addresses?t > > > E > > > DNS uses round-robin when handing out addresses.  However, thisn doesn'ts > > giveK > > > you failover.  In fact, if one of the interfaces fails, then DNS will D > > > dutifully continue to handout both interfaces in a round-robin fashion,K > > > which will mean some users will have intermittent trouble connecting.  > > That > > > would be a pain. > > >sL > > > To resolve this, you can add the load-broker and metric server to yourL > > > network.  The load-broker will poll the metric server, running on each > ofK > > > the participating nodes.  If the metric server fails to respond aftero 3sG > > > attempts, the load-broker will remove that interface from the DNSi
 > > database. 1 > > > This requires Dynamic DNS to be configured.  > > >tF > > > This fixes the inbound traffic problem by preventing anyone from > > connectingL > > > to the bad interface, however, there is another problem.  The outboundE > > > traffic will consult the local routing table to determine whichi > interface  > > toJ > > > use to send data.  So if the bad interface reamains configured, then it > > mayyG > > > be selected for outbound traffic, which of course also causes the 	 > network  > > toI > > > fail.  To address this, you might develop a command procedure whichi > pingshK > > > the default router.  If it fails (after 3 attempts, say), then removeM > themJ > > > failed interface, (TCPIP SET NOINTERFACE).  This will remove the badB > > > interface from the routing table, and so you should continue
 operating.D > > > (There are other factors too - e.g. are interfaces in the same subnet.) > > > I > > > Then you can make use of the internet cluster alias, which requiress yourJ > > > nodes to be configured in a VMS cluster.  If one node in the cluster > fails J > > > (rebooted etc) then one of the other cluster members will become the > ownercE > > > of the cluster IP address.  (The cluster alias doesn't give youo failover= > > > between controllers, it is a failover between systems).i > > >aJ > > > Finally, with multiple controllers, you could attach each controller to > atL > > > different subnet, then place a router between the subnets.  Then if anJ > > > interface fails, the router should be able to dynamically reroute to thelI > > > available interface.  (I haven't tried this configuration, but havea > heardeI > > > others speak of it, and in theory it should work - you will need an.8 > > > excellent working knowledge of routing protocols). > > > 
 > > > Cheers,l > > > Matt.t > > >u > > >( > > >n > >l > >  >b >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:10:47 -0500" From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> Subject: ES40 Serial ConsoleO Message-ID: <E706136A39316EB2.1ADC07D972D7CE9D.7BC0D9A2F0462F05@lp.airnews.net>-  L     Is anyone using the ES40 serial console with a remote access device likeI a CISCO access router or Decserver and if so what cable/connector are you1 using?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:08:06 -0500" From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com>  Subject: Re: ES40 Serial ConsoleO Message-ID: <913B18EC16773178.5D09F2EB53A91967.DD7B27FED13B414F@lp.airnews.net>n  6 "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> wrote in message news:... >eI >     Is anyone using the ES40 serial console with a remote access device  likeK > a CISCO access router or Decserver and if so what cable/connector are yout > using? >i >a >y >h   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Feb 2001 19:07:29 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>A Subject: Re: Formal Letter to the Newsgroup from Richard Marcelloc- Message-ID: <87lmrlz8um.fsf@prep.synonet.com>7  4 dilalo@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU (Gregory J. DiLalo) writes:  Q > Fortunately, for me, I am a bean counter.  I spent my years in graduate school  K > learning applied economics.  When I put a budget together, OpenVMS is ouruQ > lowest cost of ownership platform.  It's an easy sell from the TCO perspective.LO > The numbers just don't lie, due primarily to the way AlphaClusters on OpenVMSaN > scale.  Anytime Windows or Unix comes in lower, you can bet there are costs Q > being buried somewhere.  Of course, I had to point out the flaws in methodologyM< > used by a few prominent IT consulting firms along the way. >  > Greg > R > -------------------------------------+------------------------------------------P > Gregory J. DiLalo                    | Voice (Work):   (732) 932-1100 Ext. 411H > Management Information Services      | Voice (Home):   (732) 257-6969 G > Cook College/NJAES                   | FAX:            (732) 932-8887MQ > Rutgers, The State University of NJ  | Internet:       dilalo@aesop.rutgers.edudR > -------------------------------------+------------------------------------------ >    This ones a keeper.a   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:04:14 GMT - From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>t< Subject: Re: From Richard Marcello Vice President of OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <3A7EDC8D.F8497E61@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Terry C Shannon wrote:J > CPQ (which loves to do this sort of thing) ran focus groups to ascertainL > the value/brand equity of the d|i|g|i|t|a|l name. Turned out that the nameB > closed doors in the enterprise space whilst COMPAQ opened doors.  O Wow.  I always thought it was the height of idiocy to scuttle the Digital name,eP since to me it is synonymous with quality.  Now the question arises what kind ofN idiots Compaq found to sit in their focus group?  It seems to me that none hadA any literacy in enterprise computing if the result was as stated.t    - JB    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 09:40:15 -0500i% From: briggs@eisner.encompasserve.orgs? Subject: Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.n3 Message-ID: <jO3fYkdYNmRf@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  M In article <95fbo2$ppd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Fatz <fatz_nyc@my-deja.com> writes:n > I >> >We need a way of determining if the terminal physically has a printer 0 >> >attached to it before trying to print to it. >> > >>> >> You send "<CSI>?15n" to the terminal and read its response: >> >> "<CSI>?13n"  =No Printerc >> "<CSI>?10n"  =Printer Ready" >> "<CSI>?11n"  =Printer Not Ready >> "<CSI>?18n"  =Printer Busyt > H > I assume I'm doing something basically wrong in expecting the responseA > to come down a channel?  How do I store and check the response?f   It can be done in DCL.  H You've got to play some games to outwit the VMS terminal driver and DCL.  I For terminals set to /ESCAPE, the terminal driver parses escape sequencesSI and treats them as terminators.  If you're programming at the $QIO level,kF the escape sequence contents are available.  If you're working through  DCL then the contents are eaten.    So set the terminal to /NOESCAPE  H Now, what happens when the escape sequence comes up the line is that theF escape character will be treated as a terminator.  The escape sequence) data will remain in the typeahead buffer.-  H So your first read will come back empty.  And if you do nothing special,H a second read will just sit there waiting for someone to press <RETURN>.  E So you cheat.  You send the enquiry sequence a second time, merely topC provoke the terminal into sending another escape sequence.  And you.A turn the terminal back to /ESCAPE so that the data in that escape  sequence will be eaten.l  
 $ set noon
 $ esc = "" $ esc[0,8] = 27t $ set term /noescape /noecho $ define /user sys$output nl:r $ define /user sys$error nl:M $ read /timeout=1 sys$command garbage  /prompt="''esc'[?15n"	! Eat the escapeu $ set term /escape $ define /user sys$output nl:o $ define /user sys$error nl: $ response = "NADA"oP $ read /timeout=1 sys$command response /prompt="''esc'[?15n"	! Read the response $ set term /echo $ printer_status == "UNKNOWN" ? $ if response .eqs. "[?13n" then printer_status == "NO PRINTER"4: $ if response .eqs. "[?10n" then printer_status == "READY"> $ if response .eqs. "[?11n" then printer_status == "NOT READY"9 $ if response .eqs. "[?18n" then printer_status == "BUSY" = $ if response .eqs. "[?19n" then printer_status == "ASSIGNED"w $ exit  F If I haven't ruined this procedure with a couple of minor post-testing edits, it should work for you.  & 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:16:39 -0000u- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)c Subject: Re: I still dont know!n/ Message-ID: <t7tnvn67o55def@news.supernews.com>e  - wholland@tscnet.com (Wayne Holland) wrote in mD <9613812A2BCD5F0C.8300A5EB5C75923E.5A984F75E4421B51@lp.airnews.net>:  5 >In all the years of my career, I'm afraid to ask....r7 >what in the world does the acyronym mean "AFAIK" mean?  > * >Hopefully, the world has not degenerated!    I I'd like to take this opportunity to embarass myself too. AFAIK, I still CC don't know the meaning of IIRC.  Could someone please enlighten me?-   ws   --  3 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>.   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **j   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:28:42 -0500d1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com>e Subject: RE: I still dont know!oC Message-ID: <7DF45F22D904D31192EE00805F578DF2018BC704@NY_EXCHANGE1>e  ) IIRC = If I remember correctly.  (AFAIK).e   Mike Farrell   > -----Original Message-----< > From:	wspencer@ap.nospam.org [SMTP:wspencer@ap.nospam.org]* > Sent:	Monday, February 05, 2001 12:17 PM > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ! > Subject:	Re: I still dont know!  > / > wholland@tscnet.com (Wayne Holland) wrote in aF > <9613812A2BCD5F0C.8300A5EB5C75923E.5A984F75E4421B51@lp.airnews.net>: > 7 > >In all the years of my career, I'm afraid to ask....19 > >what in the world does the acyronym mean "AFAIK" mean?c > >k, > >Hopefully, the world has not degenerated! >  > K > I'd like to take this opportunity to embarass myself too. AFAIK, I still SE > don't know the meaning of IIRC.  Could someone please enlighten me?b >  > ws >  > --  5 > << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>  >  > Warren Spencer > Senior Software Engineer > The Associated Press > A > ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:30:11 -0800r1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com>- Subject: RE: I still dont know!lC Message-ID: <7DF45F22D904D31192EE00805F578DF2018BC705@NY_EXCHANGE1>m  ? > IIRC = If I remember correctly.  (AFAIK [As far as I know] ).| >  > Mike Farrell >  > 	-----Original Message-----m= > 	From:	wspencer@ap.nospam.org [SMTP:wspencer@ap.nospam.org] + > 	Sent:	Monday, February 05, 2001 12:17 PM: > 	To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" > 	Subject:	Re: I still dont know! > 0 > 	wholland@tscnet.com (Wayne Holland) wrote in G > 	<9613812A2BCD5F0C.8300A5EB5C75923E.5A984F75E4421B51@lp.airnews.net>:t > 8 > 	>In all the years of my career, I'm afraid to ask....: > 	>what in the world does the acyronym mean "AFAIK" mean? > 	>- > 	>Hopefully, the world has not degenerated!i >  > E > 	I'd like to take this opportunity to embarass myself too. AFAIK, Ii > still F > 	don't know the meaning of IIRC.  Could someone please enlighten me? >  > 	ws  >  > 	-- 6 > 	<< What if there were no hypothetical questions? >> >  > 	Warren Spenceru > 	Senior Software Engineer  > 	The Associated Press  > B > 	** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:09:39 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>o Subject: Re: I still dont know!n) Message-ID: <3A7EEC63.604C875A@rdrop.com>a   Warren Spencer wrote:" > . > wholland@tscnet.com (Wayne Holland) wrote in7 > >In all the years of my career, I'm afraid to ask....w9 > >what in the world does the acyronym mean "AFAIK" mean?. > J > I'd like to take this opportunity to embarass myself too. AFAIK, I stillE > don't know the meaning of IIRC.  Could someone please enlighten me?    Pointer to the Jargon File...n http://info.astrian.net/jargon/o   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 18:11:52 GMTs* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> Subject: Re: I still dont know!d) Message-ID: <95mqcv$75c$1@nnrp1.deja.com>u  / In article <t7tnvn67o55def@news.supernews.com>, 0   wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) wrote:. > wholland@tscnet.com (Wayne Holland) wrote inF > <9613812A2BCD5F0C.8300A5EB5C75923E.5A984F75E4421B51@lp.airnews.net>: >i7 > >In all the years of my career, I'm afraid to ask....i9 > >what in the world does the acyronym mean "AFAIK" mean?b > > , > >Hopefully, the world has not degenerated! >aD > I'd like to take this opportunity to embarass myself too. AFAIK, I stilltE > don't know the meaning of IIRC.  Could someone please enlighten me?   A IIRC, it means "If I Recall Correctly". I suppose Recall could bed	 Remember.i   --  5 > << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>e  *   << What if this statement were false? >>   --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItD is not a valid address. Instead, use the address below, removing the long wrong part first. Thanks.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)( afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.com     Sent via Deja.comh http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:28:06 +0100n5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>n  Subject: Re: Latest BIND exploit- Message-ID: <3A7E6416.22F6587D@whitehouse.nl>e   "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:c  F > There's some chance the Compaq TCP/IP Services for VMS (formerly andK > forever known as UCX) is not running the raw Berkeley code but I wouldn'trE > count on it.  UCX and True64 TCP/IP share a common code base. . . .e  F One of the main differences between running bind on VMS and on unix isF that in the latter case the process runs as root. On VMS it runs as anF nonpriv'd user except that the image is installed with OPER privilege.  B I would consider this much less dangerous that the unix situation.   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:29:38 GMTe" From: Pteppic <pchill@my-deja.com>  Subject: Re: Latest BIND exploit) Message-ID: <95mdc6$pss$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n  7 In article <200102032324_MC2-C42A-BFAE@compuserve.com>,o5   "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote:s  
 > Excerpt:D >         The vulnerabilities are mostly so-called buffer overflows, whichF	 > allow a3E >         specially formatted command to cause a computer to crash or: execu= > teE >         arbitrary code. The flaws affect BIND versions 4 and 8, but  have > been7 >         corrected in versions 4.9.8, 8.2.3 and 9.1. =  >a  G I thought most buffer overflow attacks relied on injecting machine codewF into the stack + a fake return address to fool the OS into running it.  A I'm pretty sure VMS wouldn't let you get away with this (accvio).N       Sent via Deja.com6 http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:15:35 -0500 0 From: Jason Fountain <Jason.Fountain@compaq.com>  Subject: Re: Latest BIND exploit* Message-ID: <3A7EC397.E28E897C@compaq.com>  S The CERT advisory related to this is http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-02.htmla  S This tells you which versions are actually affected.  TCP/IP V5.x has BIND 8.1.2 sos is not affected.   -jason  1 "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" wrote:g   > "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:r > >,F > > Message text written by "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)"K > > >I am a hobbyist running DEC TCP/IP 5.0 on OpenVMS VAX 7.1. What are myt > > optionssB > > for updating BIND to secure my system from the latest exploit? > > <n > > L > >         It would be easier to address your question if we knew just what$ > > "exploit" you were asking about. >c? > This one: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-4638816-0.html9 >z
 > Excerpt:R >         The vulnerabilities are mostly so-called buffer overflows, which allow aM >         specially formatted command to cause a computer to crash or execute O >         arbitrary code. The flaws affect BIND versions 4 and 8, but have beenw5 >         corrected in versions 4.9.8, 8.2.3 and 9.1.e >n > --$ > ---------------------------------- >          Stephen Eickhoffr >           Ardmore, PAg$ > ----------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 10:24:41 -0500 4 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Latest BIND exploit3 Message-ID: <F3+CGxq48XFi@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  N In article <95mdc6$pss$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pteppic <pchill@my-deja.com> writes:I > I thought most buffer overflow attacks relied on injecting machine code H > into the stack + a fake return address to fool the OS into running it. > C > I'm pretty sure VMS wouldn't let you get away with this (accvio).   F There's nothing in VMS itself that guards against this.  You won't getF an accvio trying to write to your own stack.  In the past less of thisH has been seen on VMS than other systems just because it's fairly easy toH write C code that's vulnerable to this and a lot of VMS isn't written in C, but other systems are.   F It's possible (and fairly straight forward) to write C code that isn't> vulnerable and it's possible to write vulnerable code in otherC languages.  The problem seems mostly to relate to how easy it is toPB write code that is vulnerable in C and how much code was delivered2 without anyone who knows the problem reviewing it.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationl= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupdE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 11:50:08 -0500c% From: briggs@eisner.encompasserve.orge  Subject: Re: Latest BIND exploit3 Message-ID: <zJ4wR4ivCihY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <95mdc6$pss$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pteppic <pchill@my-deja.com> writes:I > I thought most buffer overflow attacks relied on injecting machine code H > into the stack + a fake return address to fool the OS into running it. > C > I'm pretty sure VMS wouldn't let you get away with this (accvio).h  6 VMS doesn't have any features that would prevent this.  F The stack grows downward to lower addresses.  So a buffer overrun willE grow up, corrupting earlier information on the stack.  No hope there.h  K The stack is contiguous.  There are no no-access blips between call frames.- No hope there.  F Local data is allocated on stack below and adjacent to the call frame.C Static data is, of course, located in a different memory region, soC! there's a slim ray of hope there.r  C The stack itself is writable from user mode.  That pretty much goes  without saying.e  K The memory management subsystem does not implement "no execute" protection.sK Write permission implies read permission which includes execute permission.02 At least on VAX.  Not absolutely sure about Alpha.  G With the VAX architecture there was interaction between main memory andDH the instruction cache (pre-fetch buffer?) so that one was not guaranteedF that data written to memory would be updated in the instruction cache.H Executing an REI was good enough to get the required cache invalidation.@ I assume Alpha has similar constraints.  But this behavior isn't@ particularly useful as a defense against code overwrite attacks.  . 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.encompasserve.org   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:37:05 +03000 From: "Kirill Nikolaev" <Kirill.Nikolaev@srm.ru>) Subject: Re: Looking for a 3,5" boot diskt+ Message-ID: <95ll4b$rg9$1@josh.sovintel.ru>t  
 Hello Sam,  @ You can create the disk image using MKIMAGE utility available at www.charon-vax.com siteuL (http://www.softresint.com/softresint/pub/soft/mkimage_vax.zip). Please readB corresponding application note for details of its usage via TCP/IPK (http://www.softresint.com/softresint/pub/CHVX-AN/AN-010.pdf). One instanceaJ of MKIMAGE utility must run in server mode at your CHARON-VAX host system,, the other one (in client mode) - at the VAX.   With best regards, Kirill  * Sam <lizard@zap.a2000.nl> wrote in message, news:Duh7Orm7AgkwU0XaNNMP2lMZvA3f@4ax.com...6 > Does anyone have a 3,5" bootdisk for vax OpenVMS 6.2H > I am experimenting with charon-vax and i dont have enough diskspace onG > the vax 4000-700A to make a disk image and i am not able to boot from  > the install tape tk50.< > Or maybe someone has a copy of the hobbyist OpenVMS cd rom' > any help would be really  appreciated. >d >  > Siem >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:14:22 +0000 - From: "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk> * Subject: Looking for specific TPU goodies.= Message-ID: <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE01528F87@REAES2>   	 Hi Y'all.   E I am trying to find some TPU modules which I had at my previous placetB of work. When I moved here, in a moment of stupidity I only took aE copy of the TPU$SECTION, not all the source bits that made it up. Nowt@ I want to create a new section file here, to add them on to what we have.  1 The 2 specific items which I am looking for are..o  D A module that adds a cool graphical line of column numbers along the top of the screen.E A module that allows insertion of a bunch of incrementing numbers (or . any other data) in any selected block of text.  E I don't remember the names of the procedures (I used defined functiontF keys to call them), but I am sure I remember getting both of them fromF the same place. I think the eve$build module identifier was something B like KFH$ or KFL$ or something - possibly the author's initials(?)  F I have looked in all the obvious places from SOFT1 in the faq, but notG remembering the name does not help in finding anything. I guess I could.G try and reinvent the albatross myself, but I intend to retire within 20 8 years, so there is no guarantee I would get it finished.   Can anyone help?  Thanks, John      -- Cheers, John  F  - Note  This message represents my opinions and nothing else, not theI   opinion of SEMA, my family, or the cricket club - though my dog Meg did E   nod in agreement whilst I was typing. If you have any problems thendD   please complain to her (or me, but not SEMA, my family or the CC).    K ___________________________________________________________________________ B This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the H individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are E solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of h Sema. M If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received thissI email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or g- copying of this email is strictly prohibited.n  B If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema UK. Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600.K ___________________________________________________________________________a   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:08:24 +0000 (GMT)a) From: Andy Harper <Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk>s. Subject: Re: Looking for specific TPU goodies.: Message-ID: <SIMEON.10102051424.D@kings-ut-srv1.kcl.ac.uk>  2 On Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:14:22 +0000 "POWERS, John"  <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk> wrote:e   > Hi Y'all.r > G > I am trying to find some TPU modules which I had at my previous placetD > of work. When I moved here, in a moment of stupidity I only took aG > copy of the TPU$SECTION, not all the source bits that made it up. NowsB > I want to create a new section file here, to add them on to what
 > we have. > 3 > The 2 specific items which I am looking for are..! > F > A module that adds a cool graphical line of column numbers along the > top of the screen.G > A module that allows insertion of a bunch of incrementing numbers (or'0 > any other data) in any selected block of text. > G > I don't remember the names of the procedures (I used defined functionuH > keys to call them), but I am sure I remember getting both of them fromH > the same place. I think the eve$build module identifier was something D > like KFH$ or KFL$ or something - possibly the author's initials(?)  B   I believe all of these are stored on my old VMS archive. Look in5       http://www.agh.cc.kcl.ac.uk/files/vms/vms_shares  ?   Look for packages starting with 'khf' (they ARE the author's r   initials - Ken Fairfield).   Regards,   Andy Harper,   ---------------------- Andy Harper BSc, MBCS, C.Eng   Systems and Mail Manager Kings College London   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:45:48 +0800' From: "Maverick" <seawyk@letterbox.com>2 Subject: Missing Disk Space40 Message-ID: <95m06b$b3v$1@newsie.singa.pore.net>   Hi,a  L I have a system running OpenVMS Vax 6.2. On the system disk DKA700, the disk) space reduces daily by about 3000 blocks.e   I have tried doing a   $set def dka700:[000000]/ $dir [...]*.*/modified/since=yesterday/size=allw  J And I have a list of files, none of which the summation of the blocks used/ or blocks allocated comes close to 3000 blocks.   D One of the files listed is secrpt.log which is essentially a 40blockB application security log which is modified on a daily basis by theK application. When I deleted a prior version of the file and did a recursiveFJ directory again, the summation of the blocks used was reduced by 40 blocksH which is correct. But the summation of the allocated blocks increased by almost 1000 blocks.c  9 Can anyone enlighten me on where the missing blocks are??g   Regardsr   Maverick   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:04:27 -050022 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> Subject: Re: Missing Disk Space ) Message-ID: <3A7ECF0B.9881797@oracle.com>n   swag -  	before looking at the disk, do:  $ 		$ set volume/rebuild=force dka700: 		$ anal/disk/rep dka700:r   Maverick wrote:. >  > Hi,a > N > I have a system running OpenVMS Vax 6.2. On the system disk DKA700, the disk+ > space reduces daily by about 3000 blocks.a >  > I have tried doing a >  > $set def dka700:[000000]1 > $dir [...]*.*/modified/since=yesterday/size=allp > L > And I have a list of files, none of which the summation of the blocks used1 > or blocks allocated comes close to 3000 blocks.f > F > One of the files listed is secrpt.log which is essentially a 40blockD > application security log which is modified on a daily basis by theM > application. When I deleted a prior version of the file and did a recursivelL > directory again, the summation of the blocks used was reduced by 40 blocksJ > which is correct. But the summation of the allocated blocks increased by > almost 1000 blocks.o > ; > Can anyone enlighten me on where the missing blocks are??  > 	 > Regards@ > 
 > Maverick   -- e> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 08:28:11 +0100 - From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> ( Subject: Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem3 Message-ID: <3A7E641B.1A81C16A@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>a   JF Mezei wrote:m > - > Oopps, sorry for type in message header....a >  > Here is the messahe again: > Z >  now that I have decwindows, I decided to give ghostscript a second attempt at building. > M >  Downloaded the 6.0 sources (Merci Patrick Moreau). Unpacked the stuff, and @ >  edited the build_openvms_decc.com to call MMS instead of MMK. > ! >  Ran it, and got the following: P >  MMS/Log/Macro=("VAXC=0", "DECWINDOWS1_2=1", "A4_PAPER=0")'macro' [.bin]GS.exe5 >  %MMS-I-DRVOUTFIL, Using output file SYS$OUTPUT:.;. H >  %MMS-I-DRVNOFMSSUP, DEC/MMS is installed without support for VAX FMS.6 >  %MMS-I-DRVSUBCLI, Using DCL for the subprocess CLI.R >  %MMS-I-DRVQUALIF, Using non-defaulted qualifiers /Log/Macro=("DECWINDOWS1_2=1", >  "A4_PAPER=1").e? >  %MMS-I-GWKBEGWLK, Starting the build at target [.BIN]GS.EXE. E >  %MMS-I-GMTIMFND, Time for [.BIN]GS.EXE is 17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00.eS >  %MMS-F-GWKNOPRN, There are no known sources for the current target [.BIN]GS.EXE.s> >  %MMS-I-GWKEXESTS, Status of executed command is %X10EE8064.I >  %MMS-F-ABORT, For target MACRO, CLI returned abort status: %X10EE8064.p >  >  This is on VAX  VMS 7.2.- > N >  Any hints on what went wrong or where I should look ? I was hoping to buildA >  this over the weekend (probably will take a fe days to build).s  E MMS does not work since it chokes on the recursive definitions of the.B MACROS and the order of the include files. So you have to use MMK.                           Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 05:09:04 -0500r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r( Subject: Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem, Message-ID: <3A7E7BBF.9A224E09@videotron.ca>   Jouk Jansen wrote:G > MMS does not work since it chokes on the recursive definitions of thebD > MACROS and the order of the include files. So you have to use MMK.  N After quite some time,  MMK crashed with an access violation before getting to
 the first CC.c  L However, I used MMS to recompile MMK with DECC, changed the options files to/ remove VAXCRTL, and now it seems to be working.>  X Seems odd though that you'd need MMS to build MMK ! (and then MMK to build ghostscript).  J So now I got and get some sleep while MMK is trying to build ghostscript.    Ahh, the joys of computing :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:36:35 +0100D7 From: Alain Chappuis <Alain.Chappuis@medecine.unige.ch>-5 Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.7 will not connect to anything 1 Message-ID: <3A7EAC63.BFFB37A3@medecine.unige.ch>u   David Mathog a =E9crit : > =e  G > I just downloaded and installed Mozilla 0.7 from the Compaq web site.cE > It starts (a bit slowly) but won't connect to _anything_.  Example:a > =     > $ @sys$common:[mozilla]mozilla > Starting mozilla-bin...I0 > Registering plugin 0 for: "*","All types",".*" > in SetSecurityButton< > Error loading URL http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/: 80004005 > =   J > Is this some sort of UCX emulation incompatibility?  The system it's lo= aded > on is: > =s  J > Process Software MultiNet V4.2 Rev A-X, COMPAQ AlphaServer DS10 466 MHz= , OpenVMS AXP V7.2-1  B You need a Process Software MultiNet v 4.3 Rev A for M0.7 and M0.6 for the minimum working.   I had the same problem...  > =   	 > Thanks,l   I hope this help   Alain. -- =  A +----------------------+----------------------------------------+eA | Alain Chappuis       | Responsable: E-mail; cmu.unige.ch      |rA | Analyste programmeur | WEB : medecine, cds, ebn, jid, Sifm    |nA | Universite de Geneve | E-mail: Alain.Chappuis@unige.ch        | A | Centre Medical Univ. | Phone: +41 (22) [70]25.073             |aA | 1, Rue Michel-Servet | FAX : +41 (22) 347.33.34 ou 702.58.58  |NA | CH-1211 Geneve 4     | http://cmub.unige.ch/www/si/alain.html |iA +----------------------+----------------------------------------+a   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 15:35:13 +0100u* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)5 Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.7 will not connect to anythingi* Message-ID: <3a7eba21$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  f In article <3A7B6E1A.115A3B1@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>, Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> writes: >David Mathog wrote:H >> I just downloaded and installed Mozilla 0.7 from the Compaq web site.F >> It starts (a bit slowly) but won't connect to _anything_.  Example: >> g! >> $ @sys$common:[mozilla]mozillas >> Starting mozilla-bin...1 >> Registering plugin 0 for: "*","All types",".*"s >> in SetSecurityButtons= >> Error loading URL http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/: 80004005R >> dN >> Is this some sort of UCX emulation incompatibility?  The system it's loaded	 >> on is:r >> "^ >> Process Software MultiNet V4.2 Rev A-X, COMPAQ AlphaServer DS10 466 MHz, OpenVMS AXP V7.2-1 >oP >  I see a similar thing with Mozilla 0.7, in that with every page it loads getsS >errors.  Next to the load progress bar it will say something like "An unkown error B >has occurred (804b0008)".  But then the page does load correctly.  G Yes, MOZILLA is still unusable (as is NETSCAPE 6). I got a lot of these N errors, but I also get some/most pages loaded. Haven't found a pattern so far.  C The missing AUTOPROXY configuration support in MOZILLA however is ao- showstopper and this might be your problem...   M You do need to enter direct access (if your FW lets you through) or configure-K a static proxy to get MOZILLA going. We all wait for over a year now to getrK autoproxy fixed, but this is still not top on the prio list at mozilla.org.-: Complain there (and not at Q) if this is what hurts you...  M Sigh, it still better to use NETSCAPE V3 and MOSAIC (V3.6-2) and LYNX (2.8-3) K on VMS than anything more current (like NETSCAPE V6, OPERA, MSIE, or any ofj. the other browsers not available for OpenVMS).   -- h< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888n< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:55:23 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>  Subject: None Dare Call It NEWCO7 Message-ID: <fOBf6.18$293.7999@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>l  : "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> wrote in message* news:3A7EDC8D.F8497E61@ost.cdrh.fda.gov... > Terry C Shannon wrote:L > > CPQ (which loves to do this sort of thing) ran focus groups to ascertainI > > the value/brand equity of the d|i|g|i|t|a|l name. Turned out that thel nameD > > closed doors in the enterprise space whilst COMPAQ opened doors. >lK > Wow.  I always thought it was the height of idiocy to scuttle the Digital- name,-J > since to me it is synonymous with quality.  Now the question arises what kind ofgL > idiots Compaq found to sit in their focus group?  It seems to me that none had C > any literacy in enterprise computing if the result was as stated.- >   I You may be right... I have no idea what Usual Suspects CPQ rounded up forjG the WarmNFuzzyFocusGrope. That said, CPQ does a lot of this stuff and IrJ would hesitate to accuse them of targeting the developmentally disabled as focus group members.  < CPQ apparently was uncertain about what it would name itself> post-Compaqtion; internally the company called itself "NEWCO."  H As for opening and closing doors, note that when the acquisition finallyL went down, Digital had been twisting in the wind and losing brand equity and: market share at a prodigious rate for a protracted period.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:49:31 +0000e* From: Ed Dennison <ed.dennison@compaq.com>, Subject: Re: NOSLOT error on VAX OpenVMS 7.2* Message-ID: <3A7E853B.EE71E7C9@compaq.com>   Barry,  F     The following may help - the information would still apply to yourF version of OpenVMS. The likely reason is insufficient SPT (System PageH Table entries). And the cure might be to increase SPTREQ. Worth reading.                        Ed. Dennison  G [OpenVMS] %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT Errors Attempting to Login or From Batch JobrF      Any party granted access to the following copyrighted informationJ      (protected under Federal Copyright Laws), pursuant to a duly executedJ      Digital Service Agreement may, under the terms of such agreement copyF      all or selected portions of this information for internal use andF      distribution only. No other copying or distribution for any other      purpose is authorized..  K Copyright (c) 1994, 1999 Compaq Computer Corporation.  All rights reserved.y  : PRODUCT:     DIGITAL OpenVMS VAX, Versions 5.0 through 6.0   COMPONENTS:  LOGIN              BATCH  ( SOURCE:      Compaq Computer Corporation     SYMPTOM:  C An attempted login fails with one of the following pairs of errors:c  +      %JBC-F-PRCREAT, error creating processD/      %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, No PCB to create process    or,a  +      %JBC-F-PRCREAT, error creating processv'      %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no pcb availablet  F For jobs submitted to a batch queue initialized with /RETAIN=ERROR the@ queue stops without an error, and the job is not retained in theB queue.  The following search of SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG shows the NOSLOT errors:  /      $ SEARCH SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG/WINDOW=5O      QUEUE_MANAGE,JOB_CONTROLn  ;      %JBC-E-CREPRCFAL, error creating process for batch job (       -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no pcb available  @      %QMAN-E-CREPRCSTOP, failed to create a batch process; queue"       'queue_name' will be stopped(       -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no pcb available    	 ANALYSIS:o  E Typically, these errors indicate that there are no more process slotsbF available on the system.  A SHOW MEMORY command displays the total and# free number of Process Entry Slots.n  E If the errors occur when there are plenty of free Process Entry Slots-E shown by the SHOW MEMORY command, the problem could be that there areRE not enough SPTREQ (System Page Table Entries) or enough Virtual Fluido/ Balance Set Slots (on OpenVMS V6.0 and higher).1  C If the SHOW MEMORY command shows none (0) or very few Process EntrylF Slots, then the most likely cause of this problem is the MAXPROCESSCNTD SYSGEN parameter is too low.  This is the most common cause for this error.    	 SOLUTION:i  D To free up process entry slots, log out one or more processes, limit> batch jobs, or limit the number of interactive users and their
 subprocesses.e  A To increase the total number of process entry slots, increase thet< SYSGEN parameter MAXPROCESSCNT with the following procedure:  A   1) Increase the value of MAXPROCESSCNT by changing the entry or D      adding an entry for that parameter in SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT.        MAXPROCESSCNT     = n  D   2) Run AUTOGEN and reboot the system to adjust the parameters thatB      were changed.  (You will probably want to make sure BALSETCNT=      is not hardcoded in MODPARAMS.DAT unless you do not wantnB      AUTOGEN to adjust BALSETCNT when you increase MAXPROCESSCNT).  @      For more information on how to use AUTOGEN to modify systemE      parameters, refer to "Guide To Setting Up A System", April 1988,r+      (AA-LA25A-TE), Pages 6-8 through 6-10.n  F If SHOW MEMORY shows plenty of free Process Entry Slots, then make the following additional checks.  ?   1) If the system is on OpenVMS VAX 6.0 or higher, and VirtualtD      Balance Set Slots are enabled (SYSGEN parameter VBSS_ENABLE hasA      bit 0 set), then check to see if there is more than one freerB      Fluid Virtual Balance Set Slot while the problem is occurringE      (all of the techniques assume the problem is currently occurringiC      when you are doing the checks.  If you check after the problem B      has gone away it may be difficult to tell exactly what caused	      it.)   $      $ SET PROCESS/PRIVILEGES=CMKRNL      $ ANALYZE/SYSTEMy"      SDA> EXAMINE VBSS$GL_FLUIDBAL       VBSS$GL_FLUIDBAL:  000001EA                               ^^^F      If this value is large this is not the problem, but if this valueD      is low (0,1, etc.) then you may be running out of Fluid VirtualG      Balance Set Slots and may want to do one or more of the following:_  D      a) Limit the number of concurrent processes that could be using@         the $LCKPAG and/or $SETSWM system services to lock pages,         and/or the process in memory, and/or  C      b) Increase the number of Balance Set Slots (BALSETCNT) on theg1         system if that is an option at your site.>  D      c) If the behavior still occurs, you may still be out of System)         Page Table Entries, see #2 below.m      E   2) If at the time you are getting the NOSLOT error there are plenty.C      of Process Entry Slots and plenty of Fluid Virtual Balance Set B      Slots, then the system is probably running out of System PageF      Table Entries, SYSGEN parameter SPTREQ.  Check the number of free>      System Page Table Entries following the article entitled:  ?      "[OpenVMS] SDA Procedures to Determine Available SPTE's ong         System"e  B      First get the current value of SPTREQ from SYSGEN to identify7      how much the system currently has.  Then consider:t  E      a) Increasing SPTREQ to a higher value than its current setting,fD         as it is used by such things as:  Virtual Balance Set Slots,D         Virtual I/O Caching (VIOC), Pathworks, many third party diskF         caching products, and possibly by third party TCP/IP products.  G      b) If the system is on OpenVMS V6.0 or higher and VIOC is enabled,.F         (SYSGEN parameter VBN_CACHE_S set to 1), consider limiting theF         number of System Page Table Entries available for its use.  ByF         setting VCC_PTES to a specific value, the number of pages usedJ         by VIOC can be limited.  A starting point might be some percentageI         of SPTREQ, or some percentage of physical memory (such as 10, 15,85         20, or 25% of your physical memory in pages).M  J         If the system has VIOC and a third party caching product, considerJ         contacting the vendor to see if the caching is redundant and couldD         be occupying more physical memory (and SPTREQs) than needed.K         SPTREQs may be freed up if one of the caching features is disabled.w  E      c) If a third party caching product is on the system, check with E         the vendor to see how to limit the maximum size of the cache,lE         thus limiting the maximum number of pages used out of SPTREQ.u  D      d) If there have been a lot of NOSLOT errors in the past due toD         insufficient Process Entry Slots the free SPTREQ System Page<         Table Entries have been depleted, and reboot will be         necessary.  @         If this has occurred try increasing MAXPROCESSCNT or fixB         whatever application induced this problem by creating more%         processes than MAXPROCESSCNT.-   Other Related Article:  G [OpenVMS] %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT Errors Attempting to Login or From Batch Joba@ [OpenVMS] SDA Procedures to Determine Available SPTE's on SystemF If you have any concerns or comments about this article, please send a% comment to the article administrator.	         "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:  H > Ok, I know what NOSLOT means under every circumstance except this.  MyI > system parameters are set for 110 slots, yet I've only got 61 processes . > active and visible on my system.  Any ideas? >0	 > Thanks!d >[ > Barryo >i > V4100$ sh mem/fullB >               System Memory Resources on  2-FEB-2001 16:38:18.12 >fB > Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use
 > ModifiedB >   Main Memory (128.00Mb)          262144      109493      128479 > 24172o >eB > Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident	 > Swappede6 >   Process Entry Slots                110          50 > 60           06 >   Balance Set Slots                   99          41 > 58           0 > 1 > The Virtual I/O Cache is DISABLED on this node.  > V4100$ sysgen show maxprocI > Parameter Name            Current    Default     Min.     Max.     Unitd	 > DynamicaI > --------------            -------    -------    -------  -------   ----6	 > --------B > MAXPROCESSCNT                 110         32        12      8192 > Processesn > V4100$ spawn$ > %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available > V4100$ >p > -- >eA > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOe > C > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 15:25:11 +0100g* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: NTP on VMS 7.1e* Message-ID: <3a7eb7c7$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  \ In article <95lhko$tmm$1@athena.euroweb.hu>, "Ruzsinszky Attila" <aruzsi@mailbox.hu> writes:< >> Try @SYS$MANAGER:UCX$CONFIG; @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$CONFIG is2 >> for V5.0 and higher of Digital TCP/IP Services.M >OK. It is working now. I found NTP menu point, but I can't setup. Only thingt >I can3 >do enable NTP. When I try to enable in UCX, I got:g >UCX> enable service ntp. >%UCX-E-STARTERROR, Error starting NTP service' >-UCX-W-NORECORD, Information not found  >-RMS-E-RNF, record not foundB  + You don't want to UCX ENABLE SERVICE NTP !!EH You do want to do @SYS$STARTUP:UCX$CONFIG and enable NTP server there !!J Then UCX will get the NTP service and user definition, and directory tree,B too ! Just as I wrote (ok, except the UCX instead of the TCPIP)...  L If, per manual intervention (eg. you did a UCX SET CONF ENA SER NTP/PSEUDO),G the service is already defined as enabled, then you need to disable the N service first and then reenable it (all done in SYS$STARTUP:UCX$CONFIG.COM) !!   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888o< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 08:46:54 GMT:/ From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>7! Subject: Re: OPENVMS 7.3....When?k) Message-ID: <95lp9t$aj9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  F I chased up our Compaq account manager about this a few weeks ago. 7.3G was still scheduled for Q1 2001 but no actual date was available - makerE of that what you will as we are already in Q1. We can't wait and neede= to get up from 7.1 immediatly so we will have to go to 7.2-1.    Mike --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:47:57 -0500i2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)! Subject: Re: OPENVMS 7.3....When? L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0502011047570001@user-2ive62n.dialup.mindspring.com>  Z In article <95lp9t$aj9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> wrote:  H > I chased up our Compaq account manager about this a few weeks ago. 7.3I > was still scheduled for Q1 2001 but no actual date was available - makeaG > of that what you will as we are already in Q1. We can't wait and need ? > to get up from 7.1 immediatly so we will have to go to 7.2-1.i   When a vendor schedule says a product will be available in a certain quarter, you should ALWAYS assume that means the last business day of the quarter.  Rarely, you will be surprised and see the product earlier.d  Z I expect a ship date will be known only when the kit gets sent off to the CD manufacturer.   -- p Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:14:59 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS x NATO-( Message-ID: <3A7EC373.1B448E9@gtech.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:/ > In article <87u26dtdfy.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, 1 >  Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:b0 > |> fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:A > |> > Did you notice that informations about hacking the OpenVMSeG > |> > are difficult to find over Internet  ??? I tried a few weeks ago(A > |> > at Altavista and the pages matched were not really relatedb > |> > to OpenVMS hacking .... > |>F > |> Well, go to CERT or BugTrak and look for VMS holes. Last reported( > |> was back in 96 or so as I remember. > C > And when was the last reported hole for Primos??  How about RSX??:= > And, yes, both OSes are current and still very much in use.2   And your point is ?    Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Feb 2001 18:27:02 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>6 Subject: Re: Plenum vs. non-plenum in the data center?- Message-ID: <877l351l3d.fsf@prep.synonet.com>y  & Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes:  8 > Here's a question for all you hose draggers out there:  ' See rule #1, having done inspections..."  C > I just started at a new shop last week (yes, it's a VMS shop withtD > lots of StorageToys).  I was in the computer room talking with the@ > head network guy about some electrical work he has planned.  ID > noticed that the power cables for equipment like the ESA12000s andB > SW800s sat on top of the floor tiles (raised floor) and that theE > power cables plugged into outlets which were mounted *in* the floorh > tiles.  D Odd. See if someone can take a photo of the ZK labs and the overheadB 'butchers racks'. And, a photo of the DEC Brusselles computer room from the mid-80s.s  A They run the power and coms over the cabs. Easy to trace, easy too? put in, with a few gizmos to help, and easy to change. How longUE before the toys are old hat, and you need new, improved, ... Not long  these days.   E > I thought this was very odd since it would be very easy for someoneo@ > to trip over the power cables and it also looks very ugly.  AtC > previous shops, I've run the power cables from large systems downiD > through a cut in the floor tile and plugged into an electrical boxF > under the raised floor that had the proper outlet.  All of the power< > cables and the outlets were safely hidden under the floor.  @ > I asked the network guy why the power cables weren't under theC > floor.  He said that the electrical inspector (or fire inspector)TD > from the city would not allow non-plenum cables under the floor inE > the data center.  Since the ESA12000s didn't come with plenum power-8 > cables, the cables must sit on top of the floor tiles.   > This is really odd.'   The normal fix for this...                                 (                      |                 |(                      | stuff...        |(                      |                 |(                      |-----------------|; ____________________  _____________________________________e    F > If the data center is its own sealed environment (with regard to airF > circulation), why should it matter if we put non-plenum cables underF > the floor.  The worst case is that the cables would generate tons ofE > toxic smoke which would fill the data center.  The fire suppressione= > system would be activated any way so it's going to be tougho  > breathing in there regardless.                      y  > Can anyone shed light on this?                      d@ You underfloor discharges air into peopled spaces. Thus it IS an@ air plenum, modulo your city, state what ever... For cable, as  @ a rule of thumb, if it's not PTFE sheathed, it's a no-no.        Vinyl is a real no!    -- u< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.f@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:47:09 +0000O  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com6 Subject: Re: Plenum vs. non-plenum in the data center?H Message-ID: <OF8D3E7C80.24B99465-ON802569EA.003F1D70@qedi.quintiles.com>  > I don't appear to have the original message on this but.......  ; Surely if it's a plenum then it is used to distribute air ?   H What options are there if the inspector doesn't want cables in the spaceI between the floor modules and the (concrete?) subfloor?  You couldn't usehG conductive tracks (like flattened out cables that you put under carpet) I since, even if you had carpet in your computer room, it would prevent youeJ lifting floor modules to maintain anything that is in the plenum.  for theK same reason it would be impractical to have surface mounted trunking across J the floor with sockets in it.  Having trailing cables over the floor wouldG be a tripping hazard which your health and safety people would be upseto4 with (and so would I if I tripped over the cables!).  I I suppose you could have cables dropping from the ceiling, but that looks I messy and is a pain to maintain.  Plus the weight of the cable would needoF to be supported by the plug.  Not a problem in outer space but in most/ terrestrial computer rooms it can be a problem.r  @ Supplying all of the underfloor sockets with MICC cable from theI distribution board may be sufficient to please the fire inspector, but it K depends on what the lengths of cable are as to whether this is practical ore not.  D I wonder does the fire inspector know that the static electricity inJ computer rooms is normally enough to frazzle and/or flip the bits in cache$ on a computer memory or cache board?          A JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> on 04-02-2001 09:27:54 PMa   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu cc:t  7 Subject:  Re: Plenum vs. non-plenum in the data center?u     Larry Kilgallen wrote:J > > inspector (or fire inspector) from the city would not allow non-plenum. > > cables under the floor in the data center. >_5 > Rule #1 - The local code inspector is always right.s  G Do you have any fire detection equipment under the floor ? Does the airCF conditioning system use the underfloor to distribute the air or is the underfloor just dead space ?    I How about getting Compaq to certify that those cables are safe for plenumt. operations ? Would that please the inspector ?  E Or ask the inspector what it would take for him to approve non plenum  cables$ under a raised computer room floor ?  I I assume that this is in a smaller town where raised computer room floorsY area not common ?  I This is similar to large data centres with fancy fire suppression systemse; still forced to have water sprinklers over theur equipment.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:55:39 +0000n  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com6 Subject: Re: Plenum vs. non-plenum in the data center?H Message-ID: <OFF0A77427.A01F480D-ON802569EA.006256B8@qedi.quintiles.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:eC >>>You underfloor discharges air into peopled spaces. Thus it IS anl> air plenum, modulo your city, state what ever... For cable, as9 a rule of thumb, if it's not PTFE sheathed, it's a no-no.e Vinyl is a real no!<<<  I Strange.  I thought that PTFE gave off Phosgene gas when it burned.  ThisM" is _really_, _really_ bad for you.   Steve.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:21:33 -05002 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>' Subject: PointSecure, Inc press release 7 Message-ID: <YXxf6.402$cu.1844@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>L    Folks,   K I received the following on Friday, and thought you might like to see this.u  
 Best Regards,    SuerH PointSecure, Inc. Completes Acquisition of OpenVMS System Monitoring and Detection Intrusion Software HOUSTONt  H PointSecure, Inc. announced today that it has acquired all rights to theL System Detective AO, System Detective IS and ChalkTalk products from NetworkJ Catalyst, Inc.  Through this acquisition PointSecure clients will include,K Fortune 500 companies in the Banking, Manufacturing and Technology sectors.NF "The acquisition of these products will allow us to provide mature andL proven products to our customers that audit, secure, and detect intrusion ofI their valuable business data" said Rod Endo, PointSecure founder and CEO.c      J Throughout the past ten years, these products have won many awards and hadH great success.  OpenVMS is an attractive market for security products asK users understand the stability and reliability of running OpenVMS for their G mission critical applications.  Because today's computer systems are so H complex and powerful, companies run the risk of misuse or abuse of theirL systems, as well as face the challenge of utilizing the maximum potential ofJ those systems.  "At PointSecure, we are committed to providing products toH our customers that will help them compete effectively in today's rapidly# changing global market," said Endo.S       System Detective AOpL System Detective AO is a rules-based automated tool designed to enforce userL accountability on OpenVMS by recording terminal activity, taking privileges,H restricting access to images, and managing unattended, inactive terminalH sessions.  Unlike other tools, System Detective AO works on an exception basis.       System Detective ISOJ System Detective IS is an interactive event driven tool for monitoring theK terminal sessions of one or more OpenVMS users without their knowledge.  ItfL is designed to home in on specific activities associated with an interactiveK process on the host system and can be invoked with a specific user in mind, K or the operator can select or browse a complete menu of all the interactiveeI users on the system.  System Detective IS is an image that is invoked via E the System Detective AO console or from a DCL command line interface.i      	 ChalkTalkgI ChalkTalk is an interactive help-desk assistance tool that is designed toaL monitor and assist users who are having difficulty executing applications orL interfacing with DCL.  ChalkTalk can be invoked with a specific user in mindJ or by browsing a complete menu of all the interactive users on the system.       About PointSecure, Inc.E  K Headquartered in Houston, TX, PointSecure, Inc. is a leading distributor oftE point security products for global enterprise companies.  PointSecureTL strives to provide world-class marketing and support to their customers.  InL today's rapidly changing global market, our products will fill areas of needI that will allow businesses to secure their mission critical systems.  TheyJ Company is a member of the Compaq Solutions Alliance.  Further information? is available at www.pointsecure.com or by calling 713-868-1222.i   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Feb 2001 18:08:47 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>% Subject: Re: Source listings contentsa- Message-ID: <87itmp1lxs.fsf@prep.synonet.com>i  + Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:k  @ > Fine with me. Reverse engineering the cluster code as probablyA > been done by SUN and IBM. This can be done without any sources.oB > This also holds for the patented parts (and of course all othersB > where it doesn't matter). I think that including the robustness,? > cluster technique and other VMS specific things into Solaris,n; > Linux, OS/400 ... isn't close to impossible because thesecB > features have to be designed in. I know that clusters came laterB > but I'm not sure if they hadn't something like this in mind whenA > they designed VMS first or if they rewrote major parts and withL@ > help of their clean design it was possible. There are featuresA > (e.g. multi-threading) which can't be implemented afterwards ifo2 > you have forgotten them. Better start over then. > 7 > The other reasons call for publishing the sources :-)h  A The clustering started in 3.6 and 3.7. ( Going from memory here )a> 3.7 had the DLM running non-clustered, and 'everything' useingD ENQ DEQ for locking. So, as Kirby said, with for you just distribute8 th DLM and it 'just works'. He smiled as he said that...  B As most everything on VMS used RMS by default, putting the locking& in there cleaned up in one fell swoop.  : But where in unix do you start? And it would have to go in8 the user stuff; doing it all in the kernal would make itA a cripple for little gain. Not to mention the fanatics that woulde< scream the roof down if you put functionallity into the unix	 kernal ;)   B They have had 20 years to grab the ideas in clustering. A few daysA with a  system running SDA, SHO CLU, and pocking through the lockE? database is enough to tell someone competent near all they need  to know.  > I think if the Q put the SCS and cluster code up for free, the= only people who would take much interest would be, VMS users,-> DB people, and the Linux/BSD people. the laters responce would, be " It not in C..." "It's not standard..."    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:08:48 GMTT; From: Mark Garrett <Mark.Garrett@wedontwantyourspam.com.au>@' Subject: Re: Try this on Linux or NT/MEtC Message-ID: <B6A4B705.1153D%Mark.Garrett@wedontwantyourspam.com.au>e  H in article 95ef0j$tfo$1@nnrp1.deja.com, Alan Greig at agreig@my-deja.com wrote on 03/02/2001 01:08:  / > In article <87ofwluvr2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,e/ > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote: . >> Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com> writes: >>  E >>> How about a few vax 780's keeping track of some Nuclear reactors?e; >>> Been using vaxes for this since vaxes became available.rC >>> And even the USS Enterprise ( A real navy ship!) has been usingw > them! % >>> Works great... lasts a long time!s >>  B >> Long history there. Includes PDP-6s and 11/45s. Minor worry is,% >> the 'reactors' were in Pakistan...  > B > I really hope you're not suggesting there's a PDP-6 still up andF > running controlling a nuclear reactor. When was the last PDP-6 made?
 > 1967 or so?      1964 actually !d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:51:07 -0000U- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)GB Subject: Typo in SPD for Compaq Enterprise Toolkit v2.0 (70.12.01)/ Message-ID: <t7tivbjn24k9b4@news.supernews.com>A   Hi,n  7 On page 2 of the SPD for the Compaq Enterprise Toolkit SJ (http://www5.compaq.com/info/SP7012/SP7012pf.pdf), this paragraph appears:  + Compaq DCE/RPC for OpenVMS for use with the 2 debug client only. The debug client will only work  on OpenVMS V7.6.2 or higher. ...  J Obviously OpenVMS V7.6.2 is a typo.  Could someone tell me what correctly 
 belongs here?o   tia,   ws   -- g3 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>    Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **w   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 18:01:30 +0000t0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: VMS Margin-alized) Message-ID: <3A7AF5FA.A34A751@uk.sun.com>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:5 > I > > I wonder if Compaq can tell us, how many Windows PC's does it need toVG > > sell in order to generate the same PROFIT as a medium-sized OpenVMSi > > system ? > N > Figure a 50 percent margin on a medium to large OpenVMS system vs. 5 percentL > on the peecee and do the math. I am being generous with the peecee margin. >  > >.I > > Now please adjust the figure to show the comparable number of PC's tomH > > match the income with 5 years of maintenance on the VMS system, plusH > > additional hardware, plus some consulting and maybe a few additional > > licenses ... > L > Calculating that number would lead to register overflow. And don't forget,J > each Alpha/VMS system represents the sale of a Compaq chip and OS whilst@ > each peecee represents profit to Micro$oft and Intel (or AMD).  > I am not sure that the margin is that relevant. In my opinion & its more a mindset and culture thing.   < Compaq as an organistation were and to a large extent still 9 are used to getting their strategy and direction dictatedj  to them by Microsoft and Intel.   ; Compaq as an organisation were and are focused on being theo9 best and most efficient builder, seller and installer of p9 a product whose parameters they had dictated to by other m people MS and Intel. c  7 Their smarts if that is the right word is existing in a ( low margin high volume commodity market.  : True OpenVMS/Tru64 etc are high margin products, they also9 unfortunately require thought, strategy and investment ine9 a way that Wintel never did or does. Compaq does not have>: to spend any money to get ISV's to port to NT or for them 8 to include them in their marketing plans, this money is 8 spent for Compaq by MS and Intel which in turn surcharge8 Compaq for this in their component/licensing costs. This: is one reason why the margins are low, Compaq are selling 8 in a market which has been created for them and defined 2 for them by the two dominant vendors MS and Intel.  8 In my opinion this is at the root of Compaqs handling of5 its other brands appart from Wintel. They simply are  3 not equipped to develop the brands because the kind 2 of brand development required for OpenVMS/Tru64 is& completely outside Compaqs experience.   Regardse Andrew Harrison( Enterprise IT Architectt   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 18:23:58 GMT   From: didier_morandi@my-deja.com# Subject: VMSINSTAL and version 5.0Ae) Message-ID: <95mr3i$7qa$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  F I'm updating an old installation procedure to suit to TCPIP version 5,G but VMSINSTAL doesn't like the "A" in the version. Should I rewrite theh? 2208 lines of my kitinstal.com procedure to POLYCENTER format ?  Output follows:v   ../..bE This kit requires at least:  DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.0t  F Please install a proper version of DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS before installing this product.o  : %TEST-E-INSTCPIPVERS, V5.0A-1 is installed on your system.  ? %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of TEST V1.0 has failed.    D.     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:10:12 -0300u) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brw Subject: VX/DCLrL Message-ID: <OF5568F660.6EDEEA2A-ON032569EA.0058BEB9@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  + Anyone tried to use the VX/DCL under AIX ??   2 http://www.sector7.com/products/toolkits/vxdcl.htm    $ It works fine ? How much it costs ??     Regardsh   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:33:51 -0400e' From: Paul <pmosteika@evms.zko.dec.com> > Subject: Re: Where is the latest MIME for AXP? - They are here0 Message-ID: <3A7E737F.210F2F07@evms.zko.dec.com>   Hello,  E I recently tested the MIME PCSI kits for Alpha OpenVMS: V7.2, V7.2-1,.C V7.2-1H1. I was told that they should be available within the week.    Please refer to:  7 	http://ftp.service.digital.com/patches/public/vms/axp/   E They contain the most recent changes to MIME (V1.4) that fix numerous B problems. While MIME still has some minor problems that need to be@ addressed, I think you'll find these kits much more usable; help
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 			Thank you,    			Paul Mosteika   			05-Feb-2001   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:32:45 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>5 Subject: Re: Why does CTRL/J behave strangely in DCL?u) Message-ID: <95mh2u$te3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   7 In article <yTEe6.360$cu.1870@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>,l&   hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:G > In article <95f0jv$f36$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-  deja.com> writes:a   [...]   G > :Now, this is not a big problem, but I wonder . . . just how did this H > :come about? Is this a side effect of something else? Did someone planD > :it this way? Why? Are these strange bimodal characters useful forE > :anything? What is the motivation for these strange characters? Why  wereG > :these six characters selected for this strange DCL CONTROL/J status?r > :Etc.e >tG >   The characters chosen were traditionally used as word separators...  >1H >   When you are able to snatch reason from DCL, Grasshopper, it will be >   time for you to go.  :-)  ? Well, I wasn't necessarily asking for reason. History would do.i   --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItD is not a valid address. Instead, use the address below, removing the long wrong part first. Thanks.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)( afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.com     Sent via Deja.coms http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:28:07 -0300h) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brr Subject: Xerox = DigitalL Message-ID: <OF6431A22D.4590ECAD-ON032569EA.0065535A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H I believe Xerox will be bought buy another big company like DEC was ....  D The Xerox situation nowadays is similar to DEC a few years ago ! ! !   Who will buy ? Sun or IBM ?d   Regardsp   FC   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 13:10:12 -0500 2 From: young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) Subject: Re: Xerox = Digital3 Message-ID: <dXbI$n$8xiGa@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  x In article <OF6431A22D.4590ECAD-ON032569EA.0065535A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: > J > I believe Xerox will be bought buy another big company like DEC was .... > F > The Xerox situation nowadays is similar to DEC a few years ago ! ! ! >  > Who will buy ? Sun or IBM ?b >   B 	Why would Sun or IBM be interested in a copier company?  A better? 	fit would be Kodak but they have overlapping technology.  Good > 	mergers are companies with similar technologies or synergeticG 	technologies without major overlap (i.e. AOL and Timer Warner, AOL is tH 	the pipeline and Time Warner is the content - gross generalization but  	you get the idea).m  ? 	Xerox is in a bad way not unlike SGI.  SGI is in a very narrow B 	field now, lacking the services, total solution (i.e. HP, IBM and+ 	Compaq are total solution companies), etc.c   				Rob    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.072 ************************