0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 06 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 73      Contents:
 Re: 65535 ?!? + Re: Broken Alphastation 255/233, any ideas? & Changing LA600 from serial to parallel Re: CI activity. Re: CI activity.4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution Re: Dave Cutler  Re: Dave Cutler > DIGITAL StorageWorks Personality Module (70-31490-01) question Re: DNIC-E'NET commands?& Re: Dual ethernet config for failover? ELSA video card resolution Re: ELSA video card resolution Re: ELSA video card resolution7 Employment opportunity at SLAC (and "So long!" for now) ; Re: Employment opportunity at SLAC (and "So long!" for now)  End of Secure ID on VMS  Re: End of Secure ID on VMS  Re: ES40 Serial Console  Re: ES40 Serial Console 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 8 Re: Formal Letter to the Newsgroup from Richard Marcello8 Re: Formal Letter to the Newsgroup from Richard Marcello3 Re: From Richard Marcello Vice President of OpenVMS  Getting to SRM on a 1200 Re: Getting to SRM on a 12006 Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.6 Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.6 Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.6 Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.6 Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.6 Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.6 Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached. Re: I still dont know! Re: I still dont know! Re: Laser and Blazer Re: Laser and BlazerO Re: Laser and Blazer (Was: Re: Capellas agrees conference gave wrong impression  Re: Latest BIND exploit 
 Re: Licensing  Re: Lisbon Conference , Re: List of cdroms working with DEC hardware, Re: List of cdroms working with DEC hardware, Re: List of cdroms working with DEC hardware, Re: List of cdroms working with DEC hardware, Re: List of cdroms working with DEC hardware, Re: List of cdroms working with DEC hardware% Re: Looking for specific TPU goodies.  Re: Missing Disk Space, Re: Mozilla 0.7 will not connect to anything Re: None Dare Call It NEWCO  Re: None Dare Call It NEWCO  Re: OPENVMS 7.3....When?' OT - Proof: Gates has a "Jesus" complex - Re: Plenum vs. non-plenum in the data center?  Shadowed Processes Re: Shadowed Processes Re: Shadowed Processes Re: Shadowed Processes Re: Shadowed Processes Re: Source listings contents! Suggested upgrade to VMS (DECnet) % Re: Suggested upgrade to VMS (DECnet) F Re: TCPIP 5.0A FTP Server Rejecting Connections - was RE: Where to get tcpipa eco2 now out  Two Mail Files Re: Two Mail Files Re: Two Mail Files% UCX SMTP duplicate mail sending HELP!  UCX vs TCP/IP Services Re: UCX vs TCP/IP Services Re: UCX vs TCP/IP Services Re: UCX vs TCP/IP Services? Using Shared Memory or Memory Channel for network communication  VMS Backup on Unix$ Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORY( Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORY( Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORY( Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORY( Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORY( Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORY( Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORY( Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORY( Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORY9 Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security 9 Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security 9 Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security 9 Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security 9 Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security 9 Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security 9 Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security 9 Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security 9 Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security 9 Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security 9 Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security 5 Wildfire/Oracle/NUMA/QBB affinity on OpenVms/Oracle73 9 RE: Wildfire/Oracle/NUMA/QBB affinity on OpenVms/Oracle73 ' RE: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount?  Re: Xerox = Digital  Re: Xerox = Digital  Re: Xerox = Digital  Re: Xerox = Digital   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:50:43 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com  Subject: Re: 65535 ?!?D Message-ID: <OF82F3A743.41430824-ON882569EA.006DEDDD@foundation.com>  H If you're seeing this from a C program, it means "VMS specific error, l= ook @ in the VMS specific error code variable". From the DEC C manual:  H      If errno is set to EVMSERR, then the OpenVMS condition value is av= ailable in the vaxc$errno H      variable declared in the <errno.h> header file. The vaxc$errno var= iable is guaranteed toH      have a valid value only if errno is set to EVMSERR; if errno is se= t to a value other than 3      EVMSERR, the value of vaxc$errno is undefined.    EVMSERR is 65525.    Shane           < Aieie Brazor <75841320@it.ibm.com> on 02/05/2001 02:57:27 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:    Subject:  65535 ?!?      Hello,8 i'm searching for an information about error code 65535.% Maybe it is related to File System ?. A Can you suggest a manual where i can find out the meaning of this  error code ?   Thanks in advance  Aieie    -- ***** % "Questo biglietto =E8 pluritimbrato."  "Che..?"( "E' pluritimbrato, timbrato pi=F9 volte") "Eh, si vede che l'ho pagato di pi=F9..."        Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/       =    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:32:29 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com 4 Subject: Re: Broken Alphastation 255/233, any ideas?D Message-ID: <OFD7D16001.5C98696F-ON882569EA.0065C6D3@foundation.com>  G But check your speaker wires are still in place. I once had one with no J beep codes, because the solder holding one of the leads to the speaker had come adrift.   Shane           3 Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> on 02/01/2001 07:52:17 AM    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   5 Subject:  Re: Broken Alphastation 255/233, any ideas?      Nigel Arnot wrote:  D > Power up: fan on PSU spins, power light on cabinet green. No video output.  > No keyboard lights.  > J > Any ideas on how to further diagnose or fix it? Are there any disgnostic' > LEDS that I should be looking at/for?  >  > TIA,  ? Nigel,  the power-on-test should give you a certain "beep" code $ e.g. beep-beep-pause-beep-beep-beep.  = I no longer have internal Compaq access, so ask your friendly 9 Compaq contact to tell you what the beep code means (it's 9 well documented internally in Prosic (Compaq internal web  pages).   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.  < P.s. you might have to generate a failsafe loader to fix it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:21:30 GMT  From: scottv67@my-deja.com/ Subject: Changing LA600 from serial to parallel ) Message-ID: <95n90u$lhm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi:   2 Not exactly VMS-related but still DEC hardware....7 [The printer *is* driven by a VMS system so that counts  for half a point.]  B Can anyone tell me how to switch an LA600 from serial to parallel?  + No manuals for LA600s handy at my new shop.    Thanks much,   -Scott Vieth svieth at wi dot rr dot com      Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:01:02 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>  Subject: Re: CI activity. 2 Message-ID: <3A7EF945.8ECA1FAE@clarityconnect.com>  A A network monitor sitting on the FDDI will work nicely.  There is G nothing in VMS that will measure ALL the protocols on the FDDI.  As for C SCS traffic between systems see MONITOR SCS and the different /ITEM  qualifiers.    "Leigh G. Bowden" wrote: > N > Is there a way of measuring the activity across an FDDI cluster interconnect > with OpenVMS Alpha 6.2?  > : > I sort of assume that there would be but cannot find it.   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Feb 2001 05:32:23 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: CI activity. - Message-ID: <87zog0yfx4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   = "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> writes:   N > Is there a way of measuring the activity across an FDDI cluster interconnect > with OpenVMS Alpha 6.2?  > : > I sort of assume that there would be but cannot find it.  3 For the cluster trafic, I'd expect AMDS to show it.      --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:43:49 GMT 3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution / Message-ID: <3A7F015C.A7B3767F@cableinet.co.uk>    andrew harrison wrote: >  > Tim Llewellyn wrote: > >  > > andrew harrison wrote: > >  > > >  > > > 9 > > > Quite so how do you square this with Kerrys, logged 9 > > > out users scenario, surely getting users to log out / > > > is manual intervention to the nth degree.  > > >  > > D > >  You are failing to distinguish between buisiness critical usersE > > and developers/apps support/sysadmin type users. It is the former C > > who have the high availability requirement, and need to work in I > > an environment they percieve to be as close to 100% percent available 9 > > as makes no difference. The latter must be assumed to P > > be competant to save their work and logout on request for system admin work. > >  > : > Quite so how does this square with Kerry's log the users' > out and down the node uptime bandage.  > ; > You yourself have said that the mission critical business = > users are the ones that are likely to be the ones you can't ; > rely on to log out having saved their work. But these are : > just the users that you need to get logged out safely in' > order to hide Kerrys sleight of hand.     Andrew  G (1) Is it not necessary to logout/disconnect/whatever users so one can  I backup their oh-so-important data reliably anyway? At that point one can  1 turn off access to the node due for manintenance.   H (2) You are twisting my statement to fit your argument in a very cunning manner. H Do your users loose data when there is a network outage, or their client PC crashes, F etc? If they can't be relied on to save their own data, then it is the administratorsA job to ensure it is safe at the application level (exit handlers,  transaction rollbackG or whatever). If part of this job is creating a "logout every day after  work" F policy then this can be enforced eg with idle process killers, or with VMS's primary/secondary D hours fields in the SYSUAF. If your developers and sysadmins like to stay logged inF from one month to the next, then they will occasionally have to switch nodes toH deal with scheduled node (not cluster) downtime. It is this latter class of usersG you are using to twist this thread around and around on itself. If your  applicationsB stay up for days, weeks, months on end in the background then they better be designedE to checkpoint data at regular intervals and be restartable on another  node. If not, why F are you wasting money on a very expensive cluster configuration when a single box might prove adequate.   D Anyway, its all moot because I think you must have prescient cluster software up G your sleeve and we will all be running that in the very near future :-)    Regards   F Tim, who would like to see the ability to move processes between nodes in a clusterD without restarting, but can see a few of the technical problems with that.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 16:33:18 -0500 2 From: kuhrt@eisner.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) Subject: Re: Dave Cutler3 Message-ID: <ENGDLdA3Bhl2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <3A7888E3.77CF6012@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:  > Alan Greig wrote:  >>   >> Christof Brass wrote: >>  C >> > I heard that Dave Cutler left Micro$oft long ago. Does anybody " >> > where he's currently working? >>  L >> Nope Cutler was still in charge at the release of Windows 2000.  I recallL >> reading an interview not that long ago. I'll try and track down where. InM >> that interview he stated that Win-64 development was still taking place on F >> Alpha/NT until they got some real IA64 production quality hardware. > I > Which is why I keep hoping against hope that Win64 will be supported by I > Compaq on Alpha, since that's where all the development happens anyway.  >  > <heresey> J > Actually, WinNT on Alpha is relatively stable (MS-spin = "Rock solid"). G > The only reason I'm not a fan of it is it's frustrating to spend that E > much for h/w and then cripple it to 32-bit mode by installing NT...  > </heresey>  > Win2000 Pro for the Alpha is out there.  It's just unofficial.? I got one from the site mentioned in a Register article a while 2 back.  Haven't had a chance to install it, though.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:11:20 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>  Subject: Re: Dave Cutler, Message-ID: <3A7F2508.9E31B994@infopuls.com>   Alan Greig wrote:  > . > In article <3A7DE57B.1719FF59@infopuls.com>,. >   Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote: > D > > Compaq is not depending on Intel. There are several alternatives? > > and AFAIK Compaq already started selling AMD based systems.  > >  > H > They might use AMD but Compaq stated at that infamous Analysts meetingF > last week that their number one 'franchise' was Microsoft and alwaysE > would be. Next came Intel, then Oracle then SAP. The company policy > > would be not to do anything that might upset these partners.  ; A company fulfilling other companies wishes without any own  vision, sorry.   D > > Using Alpha has the technical advantage of beeing free of legacyB > > instructions. Technically there is no doubt that with the same> > > effort the Alpha can't be beaten by IA-32. With the memoryC > > addressing capabilities of 64 Bit there should also be a market C > > place for the Alpha. As you pointed out: marketing is needed to ' > > get your stuff to the market place.  > > 5 > > Do you know what processor the XBox is featuring? M > Intel Pentium. It also runs NT. Slightly suspicious for a games only box...   < Several years ago Micro$oft explicitly stated that they wont> ever go into HW business with complete boxes. Times they are a	 changing.    > ? > > Now that Intel is entering the SW business (they don't tell < > > anybody what OS they are using for their Internet boxes)8 > > Micro$oft should be very interested in supporting an > > alternative. > >  >  > -- > -- > Alan Greig >  > Sent via Deja.com  > http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:48:54 GMT 3 From: Christopher Snow <chris.snow@ga.prestige.net> G Subject: DIGITAL StorageWorks Personality Module (70-31490-01) question ) Message-ID: <95n033$co7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   D The only reason I am posting this in this group is because I've seen% others here mention this part before.   D I have a (70-31490-01) personality module, but have no idea what theA DIP switch settings are.  If anyone has these settings, would you  please post them for me?   Thanks,  Christopher Snow     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 21:23:51 GMT 3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) ! Subject: Re: DNIC-E'NET commands? 0 Message-ID: <95n5l7$1er$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  v In article <paul.r.anderson-47162C.12493305022001@news.compaq.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> writes:2 >In article <95mfij$lj4$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,   >gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de wrote: > = >> So, is there a more exhaustive documentation of this card?  > 	 >Yes, at:  > F >   http://www.compaq.com/products/printers/support/prt_docs_ln17.html  H This I already know, it is the same as the printed manual that came with5 the printer. It describes only a minimum of commands.   G >> Or to be more concrete, how do I get the card to take its time from h >> a timeserver? >i) >I don't think the LN17 has that feature.t  6 It does have it, see my previous post a few hours ago.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanne  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Feb 2001 05:54:13 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ Subject: Re: Dual ethernet config for failover?a- Message-ID: <87vgqoyewq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ' Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net> writes:   F > Our network guy would like to config each of our "servers" with dualH > ethernet cards and plug each card into a Cisco 100mb switch so that inF > the event of a Cisco switch failure the servers will failover to the > other card/switch.   >  > Questions...  E > 2. Is it not true that Decnet can only use 2 cards only if they ares! > connected to separate networks?o   You mean ethernet cards, yes?r  @ ISO and IP give addresses and names to interfaces, 'cards'. PhIV? addresses reference the NODE and ALL it's interfaces. Multicastz? capible interfaces have there address set to be HIORD'<address> 5 so a net address to phys address is a simple mapping.N  A If you plus two DECNET ethernet cards onto one segment, they willsG both have the same address, a NONO in ethernet. PLug them onto seperate @ segments and you will gain all over. Plus you will survive a hub dropping its PS as well.   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Feb 2001 14:49:40 -0600- From: Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu>t# Subject: ELSA video card resolution 0 Message-ID: <w531ytcam8r.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>  I Somehow I feel this must be a FAQ, but I haven't seen the answer anywhereu I looked...d  J I have an ELSA video card in a Personal Workstation running OpenVMS 7.2-1,: and have run the ELSA installation routine from the OS CD.  I Is there any way to increase the resolution from the default, which looksMJ like 1024x768? On Tru64, this card can be coaxed up to 1600x1200, althoughH 1280x1024 would be perfect in this case. The natural place to look wouldI be SYS$STARTUP:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM, but I don't see anything inxC there which seems relevant (unless changing to 100dpi would achieve  something?).   Thanks,y   Graham --  I -------------------------------------------------------------------------t: Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of MinnesotaaI -------------------------------------------------------------------------e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:20:20 GMTt' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> ' Subject: Re: ELSA video card resolutions- Message-ID: <3A7F2712.DB7E3BDD@theblakes.com>u  1 In SYS$STARTUP:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM try:    $ decw$xsize_in_pixels == 1280 $ decw$ysize_in_pixels == 1024   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Feb 2001 16:52:43 -0600- From: Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu>e' Subject: Re: ELSA video card resolutiony0 Message-ID: <w53y9vk91z8.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>  ) Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes:S  3 > In SYS$STARTUP:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM try:s >   > $ decw$xsize_in_pixels == 1280  > $ decw$ysize_in_pixels == 1024  H Thanks, that does it.. actually deja did show up some pointers too, once- I was reminded to look there, so I also have:e  6 $ define/exec/system/nolog decw$server_refresh_rate 726 $ define/exec/system/nolog decw$server_pixel_depth  24   Graham -- -I -------------------------------------------------------------------------h: Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of MinnesotaiI -------------------------------------------------------------------------S   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 16:35:28 PSTrT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)@ Subject: Employment opportunity at SLAC (and "So long!" for now)3 Message-ID: <16NwQxjbfaey@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>i  H         I just wanted to let people know that I won't be active in theseH     news groups for a while.  I'm moving  out of California to the GreatH     Northwest...not Redmond, mind you(!), rather Oregon.  In any case, IH     doubt  I'll  be posting from my new employer's systems (I  could  beH     wrong, but I don't know their policies), and  given  my  anticipatedH     housing  search  and  time  to  get more important issues settled, IH     expect it could be as  long  a  six  months before I'm setup at home3     with a hobbiest VMS system and internet access.t  H         That said, there  is  an  immediate  opening  at  SLAC for a VMSH     system  administrator  (_my_  position).  We're  running  an  mixed-H     architecture,  mixed-interconnect  VMScluster  at  VMS  7.2/VAX  andH     7.2-1/Alpha  with  reasonably  modern  equipment.   [But  note,  ourH     present Alphas give us  so  much  headroom,  you won't be seeing anyH     Wildfires  here, and probably no Fibre Channel either, at least  notH     for quite a while.] I haven't seen the job posting, but I will  noteH     that  this  is a very _interesting_ environment, very heterogeneous,H     fine if you're only interested  in  VMS,  but lots of opportunity toH     work  with other operating systems as well (unix, linux, wnt,  wk2).H     The group I work with is a great bunch of  people,  best  I've  everH     worked  with,  and  the  work  is  dynamic  (we're _always_ changing     things!  :-).i  H         If you're interested, please  contact  my manager (a _very_ goodH     man,  technical,  note a bean-counter or MBA PHM).  To  protect  himH     from spambots, I've munged his e-mail address below.  Do the obvious%     thing with it to send him e-mail:q           Spencer Clark F         E-mail:       Spencer.Clark "at" SLAC "dot" Stanford "dot" EDU$         Telephone:    (650) 926-4766    H         So this isn't goodbye, it's  more  like "So long, and thanks forA     all the fish!"  ...Except that I _will_ be back eventually...:           Cheers!  Ken -- -M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu$:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:33:16 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)D Subject: Re: Employment opportunity at SLAC (and "So long!" for now)L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0502012233170001@user-2ive66k.dialup.mindspring.com>   In article <16NwQxjbfaey@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) wrote:     J >         So this isn't goodbye, it's  more  like "So long, and thanks forC >     all the fish!"  ...Except that I _will_ be back eventually...  >  >         Cheers!  Ken  - Good luck, and hurry back as fast as you can!    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 03:29:54 GMT	* From: Sean O'Banion <seanobanion@home.com>  Subject: End of Secure ID on VMS( Message-ID: <3A7F6FB0.CD8E1961@home.com>  H I posed this question to RSA (in a slightly different form), but I don't expect much of an answer.- I thought I would try here.F  G With the end of ACE/Agent on OpenVMS this year, according to the Feb 1,c 2001A announcement, what would be someones long term recommendation forL
 OpenVMS users 8 who would like to base their secure access on Secure ID?   Here is the announcement:i4 http://www.rsasecurity.com/support/news/EOL51051.pdf     Sean   ------------------------------  " Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 05:53:26 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>$ Subject: Re: End of Secure ID on VMS' Message-ID: <G8Bn12.J0I@spcuna.spc.edu>,  , Sean O'Banion <seanobanion@home.com> writes:I > With the end of ACE/Agent on OpenVMS this year, according to the Feb 1,6 > 2001C > announcement, what would be someones long term recommendation for- > OpenVMS users,: > who would like to base their secure access on Secure ID? >c > Here is the announcement::6 > http://www.rsasecurity.com/support/news/EOL51051.pdf  G   MultiNet's Secure/IP option provides a LOGINOUT callout module which  > supports a variety of authentication methods. The doc page at:I http://www.multinet.process.com/multinet-docs/admin_guide/Ch03.htm#E15E24 0 lists CRYPTOCard, SecureNet, SecurID, and S/KEY.  -   The MultiNet apps are also Secure/IP-aware.   H   I don't know if the API is offically published, but when I requested aF copy a few years ago, it was provided promptly. It is a regular TCP/IPD service on a defined port and it's pretty easy to use if you want toE write your own programs to interface to it (for example, to validate 0H passwords on an external system against the VMS UAF or any of the tokens
 it supports).c  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAu   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:09:11 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>  Subject: Re: ES40 Serial Console' Message-ID: <3A7F3295.A5EA5C1D@home.nl>e  N Yes, we are. We use the normal DEC MMJ <> MMJ null-modem cable to a Decserver.   Regards,   Dirk   Hal Kuff wrote:   N >     Is anyone using the ES40 serial console with a remote access device likeK > a CISCO access router or Decserver and if so what cable/connector are yout > using?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:31:36 GMT / From: "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@xxx.mediaone.net>   Subject: Re: ES40 Serial ConsoleE Message-ID: <sJGf6.4753$En4.128104@typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net>r  I Yes.  MMJ-to-MP8 adapter  --> a standard Cat5 network cable --> DECservere 700oI Works fine.  I have a dedicated, password protected service set up on thei DECserver 700.  B I wrote setup instructions so the folks at CSC could duplicate theF configuration for customers that need it.  I'll post them if anyone is- interested, but it's pretty straight forward.s   Regards, Tomh  - "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> wrote in messageYI news:913B18EC16773178.5D09F2EB53A91967.DD7B27FED13B414F@lp.airnews.net...n >t8 > "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> wrote in message news:... > >oK > >     Is anyone using the ES40 serial console with a remote access devicef > likeI > > a CISCO access router or Decserver and if so what cable/connector arep yout
 > > using? > >  > >  > >, > >h >n >d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 21:55:19 +0000u) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> < Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1, Message-ID: <3A7F2147.310323E1@infopuls.com>   Robert Deininger wrote:w > Y > In article <3A7D77E6.B1D6B32F@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote: B > > Thanks a lot!! I started this morning writing a message to youB > > directly because I knew from my searches in Deja and following0 > > the threads in cov that you are *the* expert >  > Yikes!  If Deja gave you the impression I am an expert, it's more broken than I thought.  I'm just throwing out free advice, which is probably worth exactly what it costs...R   :-))   > > > There is a Compaq graphics expert who does post sometimes... >  > > (with an appologyo? > > at the beginning for bothering you by direct mail) but thenoA > > decided to do further investigation and abandoned writing theC= > > email later after finding out that I might be able to useu? > > several of the current graphics cards within my DS20E. Some B > > months ago a compaq sales person told me that within the AlphaB > > servers there is only one graphics card supported. So I lookedB > > around to buy a front-end box to equip with 2 or 3 heads. FromA > > the latest specs I found at the Compaq web site it seems that A > > the DS20E supports up to four heads with VMS which is awfullyd
 > > great. >  > I think I remember reading that some systems have been tested with up to 7 heads.  It probably comes down to the number of PCI slots available to test with.  I expect the driver would work just fine with more heads, but testing was not practical.  @ Yup, read the same (or almost - it said that up to 8 heads could be used in some systems).h   > S > Note that the new desktop DECwindows stuff is a little rough with multiple heads.i  ; Ah - what does this mean? No smooth operation or hassles in. configuring?   > ; > > The remaining question is: are these new graphics cardsmC > > SN-PBXGD-AD (102454-B21) P300 and SN-PBXGD-AE (102455-B21) P350sD > > of good quality in comparison to the ZLXp-L1? I want to have bigD > > colour palettes to avoid having to start several apps with their? > > private colour palettes which changes the colour of all the  > > other windows. > > I don't know these cards.  The newest I have used is the 3D30.  You should be able to get exact specs on the P300 and P350, since they are current.  As far as I know, the PCI ZLXp-L1 is functionally the same as the turbochannel ZLX-L1.  The latter card is described in a 1995 SOC as follows: 24-plane 3D turbochannel color grphics accelerator, 24-bit image, 24-bit Z buffering, 24-bit double buffer, 4-Mpixels total graphics memory.  The order number was PMAGC-DA.  7 Great, thanks. My problem is that I'm not very smart int interpreting these specs.  > I > BTW, all the ZLX-E, -L, and -M cards were listed as having VMS support.W >  > The reason I think the PCI and turbochannel cards were the same is due to a bit of description in the Open 3D docs, where IIRC the two flavors were lumped together. > c > I would assume that with 24-bit color, reasonable programs should not have trouble with palettes.I  % Thanks, this is most important to me.    >  > I thought from the first post that you have a ZLXp-L1 in hand, so I suggested some experiments.  If you don't have the card, you probably shouldn't buy it, even at bargain prices, unless you have some assurance that it will work.  Also, mixing different cards in the same machine may be trouble.  On the other hand, these old cards do show up cheap sometimes, and it you can get them to work in a new system, they might meet your needs.  I haven't priced the P300 and P350, but I've seen a lot of complaints fr   Very reasonable advice, thanks.h5 The seller will test the cards in the offered system.k   >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:10:41 -0500u2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0502011910410001@user-2iveaun.dialup.mindspring.com>  W In article <3A7F2147.310323E1@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:    >  > > U > > Note that the new desktop DECwindows stuff is a little rough with multiple heads.t > = > Ah - what does this mean? No smooth operation or hassles in  > configuring?  -Some bugs.  Some DECwindows crashes.  The mechanism to put stuff on any screen but the first is ... clunky.  This was a while back, some of the recent updates may have fixed some problems.  Our only 2-head system has had a monitor "borrowed" from it for quite some time, so I haven't fiddled recently.     9 > Great, thanks. My problem is that I'm not very smart inr > interpreting these specs.o   Neither am I :-)  K > > BTW, all the ZLX-E, -L, and -M cards were listed as having VMS support.e > >  > > The reason I think the PCI and turbochannel cards were the same is due to a bit of description in the Open 3D docs, where IIRC the two flavors were lumped together.  ?A bit more on this.  All the ZLX cards are listed in the most recent Open3D programming manual I have  (v 4.9, IIRC).  But the recent release notes say that all the -E and -M are desupported, while the ZLXp-L variants are still ok.  All the turbochannel versions are desupported, and have been for quite a few versions.   h I don't know if desupported means doesn't work.  And VMS and X windows might work, while open3D doesn't.   It seems really nasty to break support for old hardware when the code is already written.  I wonder why they did this.  Why not just keep compiling the code for new OS versions, and stop adding functionality if there's not enough manpower?: This looks like another relic from the dark ages of VMS graphics support.  I've heard that the dark ages are ending, but I wonder how soon...e    e > > I would assume that with 24-bit color, reasonable programs should not have trouble with palettes.C > ' > Thanks, this is most important to me.a   If you have the documentation library, look at the Open3D manuals.  I don't think they are available at the Q's web site, but I might have missed them.o   -- t Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:54:29 GMTo3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>OA Subject: Re: Formal Letter to the Newsgroup from Richard Marcellor. Message-ID: <3A7F03DF.7FCEFD1@cableinet.co.uk>   Paul Repacholi wrote:  > 6 > dilalo@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU (Gregory J. DiLalo) writes: > R > > Fortunately, for me, I am a bean counter.  I spent my years in graduate schoolM > > learning applied economics.  When I put a budget together, OpenVMS is ourbS > > lowest cost of ownership platform.  It's an easy sell from the TCO perspective.eQ > > The numbers just don't lie, due primarily to the way AlphaClusters on OpenVMS O > > scale.  Anytime Windows or Unix comes in lower, you can bet there are costssS > > being buried somewhere.  Of course, I had to point out the flaws in methodology0> > > used by a few prominent IT consulting firms along the way. > >  > > Greg > > T > > -------------------------------------+------------------------------------------R > > Gregory J. DiLalo                    | Voice (Work):   (732) 932-1100 Ext. 411I > > Management Information Services      | Voice (Home):   (732) 257-6969nI > > Cook College/NJAES                   | FAX:            (732) 932-8887lS > > Rutgers, The State University of NJ  | Internet:       dilalo@aesop.rutgers.edudT > > -------------------------------------+------------------------------------------ > >o >  > This ones a keeper.C  E Sure, the main problem is the "few prominent IT consulting firms" arem	 all a lot( of big businesses talk to.  C Shame Compaq couldn't have funded an Alphapowered logo on those new- Oracle "We savedD ourselves $1 billion by moving to Oracle" posters that are certainly
 plastered all F around town here this week. Ok, maybe it would be vying for space with
 Sun and HP! logos, but it would be something.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:10:45 -0700o+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>kA Subject: Re: Formal Letter to the Newsgroup from Richard Marcello ( Message-ID: <3A7F4105.356B71CA@mmaz.com>   Tim Llewellyn wrote:  V > Shame Compaq couldn't have funded an Alphapowered logo on those new Oracle "We savedT > ourselves $1 billion by moving to Oracle" posters that are certainly plastered allH > around town here this week. Ok, maybe it would be vying for space with. > Sun and HP logos, but it would be something.  @ Let me toss my two cents out and you all can take it as you may.  X I've bitched and moaned about Compaq over the years and Mr. Marcello's recent posting asU many others have, but I decided to take a different tack this past weekend and sent anT message directly to Mr. Marlcello.  Unlike CQ Palmer, he was very prompt, polite andQ personable in his response and delegated my complaint to a couple individuals forpW investigation into my problem (which happened to be the stripping of legacy VMS and VAX-' related information from the web site).t  X All I'm trying to say is that it is a lot easier to bitch, moan, and groan about how badR we feel VMS is being treated, but I challenge those folks who have real issues andU talking points to consider redirecting them to the big man at Compaq.  If enough wellDX thought out concerns, ideas, or problems are presented to him, we may see results unlikeV what is being accomplished with the on-going and regular bantering that occurs on this list.   X Nothing may develop from my correspondence with Mr. Marcello, but my disposition towardsC him and Compaq has improved ever so slightly by his modest efforts.m   Regards,   Barryh --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOl  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028i   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 19:54:43 GMTo2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)< Subject: Re: From Richard Marcello Vice President of OpenVMS, Message-ID: <95n0e3$16v@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  ` In article <3A7EDC8D.F8497E61@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>, Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> writes: >Terry C Shannon wrote:nK >> CPQ (which loves to do this sort of thing) ran focus groups to ascertainsM >> the value/brand equity of the d|i|g|i|t|a|l name. Turned out that the nametC >> closed doors in the enterprise space whilst COMPAQ opened doors.  >uP >Wow.  I always thought it was the height of idiocy to scuttle the Digital name,Q >since to me it is synonymous with quality.  Now the question arises what kind ofoO >idiots Compaq found to sit in their focus group?  It seems to me that none had B >any literacy in enterprise computing if the result was as stated.  J That was my initial thought too.  The only way that I can see them gettingG the stated result is if they somehow skewed the results by oversampling J sites that had been (recently) screwed over by Digital or if the questionsJ asked about the quality of Digital management, or about Digital's businessE practices (as in, how easy is it to buy from them).  But in terms of  > hardware and support quality, it really makes no sense at all.  I Conversely, the reputation of Compaq's consumer grade PCs, which dominate K Compaq's "quality image", is very unimpressive.  The people I know who sell"G such things have been pretty clear that that's about the last brand you G want to take home for your kid, at least, if you want to give them a PC.G that's probably going to work out of the box.  Proliants may be screwed-K together better, but Compaq sells a heck of a lot more (dud!) PCs than theyd9 do servers, so more people see the bad than see the good.9   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu5? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech -   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:57:51 -0600* From: "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com>! Subject: Getting to SRM on a 1200 / Message-ID: <t7u8fbtknu4253@corp.supernews.com>e  
 Hello all,  H I've recently acquired an AS1200 2x5/533. It apparently used to run thatH "other" "operating system." I can't seem to find a way to get it back to4 SRM. It's not one of those white NT-Only boxes. TIA.  	 Mark Levyf" System Management Associates, Inc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:28:12 -0700m% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> % Subject: Re: Getting to SRM on a 1200l( Message-ID: <3A7F370C.8AF683A@rdrop.com>   "Mark E. Levy" wrote:a >  > Hello all, > J > I've recently acquired an AS1200 2x5/533. It apparently used to run thatJ > "other" "operating system." I can't seem to find a way to get it back to6 > SRM. It's not one of those white NT-Only boxes. TIA.  F Me too.  Fun playtoy. ;-)  (Sadly, the asset tag from the former owner says "DEC"... andi it still ran NT.)m  E Poke around in the AlphaBIOS setup long enough, you'll find it.  Just ( start at the top and work your way down.  D You'll likely have to upgrade firmware to get VMS installed on it...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:49:05 -0500t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ? Subject: Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.p, Message-ID: <3A7F11BE.1A0CA413@videotron.ca>  & briggs@eisner.encompasserve.org wrote:G > So you cheat.  You send the enquiry sequence a second time, merely toV= > provoke the terminal into sending another escape sequence. s  
 Very clever !o  A > $ if response .eqs. "[?13n" then printer_status == "NO PRINTER"n< > $ if response .eqs. "[?10n" then printer_status == "READY"@ > $ if response .eqs. "[?11n" then printer_status == "NOT READY"; > $ if response .eqs. "[?18n" then printer_status == "BUSY"h? > $ if response .eqs. "[?19n" then printer_status == "ASSIGNED"0    E My VT320 manual only has the no printer, read and not ready sequenceswH documented. Did Busy and Assigned come later on the VT420s ? Or are they$ present but undocumented in Vt320s ?  K Also, to be pedantic, the above checks won't work on all terminals, it will/N only work for terminal set to emit 7 bit control sequences. If the terminal isL set to 8 bit control sequences, you won't see the [ n the response since the8 response would be <CSI>?10n  with the <CSI> being eaten.   So perhaps you should add :a  M $IF F$EXTRACT(0,1,response) .eqs. "[" then response = F$EXTRACT(1,4,response),C followed by all the if statements without the [ in the test string.r   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 16:41:50 -0500 : From: malmberg@eisner.encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)? Subject: Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.03 Message-ID: <bzEmQ+oSABYe@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  , In article <3A7F11BE.1A0CA413@videotron.ca>,/ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  <snip> >mM > Also, to be pedantic, the above checks won't work on all terminals, it willuP > only work for terminal set to emit 7 bit control sequences. If the terminal isN > set to 8 bit control sequences, you won't see the [ n the response since the: > response would be <CSI>?10n  with the <CSI> being eaten. >o > So perhaps you should add :r > O > $IF F$EXTRACT(0,1,response) .eqs. "[" then response = F$EXTRACT(1,4,response)sE > followed by all the if statements without the [ in the test string.e   $ response = response - "["t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 18:54:52 -0500a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ? Subject: Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.c, Message-ID: <3A7F3D3C.905C0E5A@videotron.ca>   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:eQ > > $IF F$EXTRACT(0,1,response) .eqs. "[" then response = F$EXTRACT(1,4,response) G > > followed by all the if statements without the [ in the test string.9 >  > $ response = response - "["r  K I never found exact documentation on how the subtraction operator worked onoJ strings. I though that it worked only on trailing characters. What exactly does it do ?   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 16:18:24 PST T From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)? Subject: Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.s3 Message-ID: <YBn5TYsQvdI+@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   \ In article <3A7F3D3C.905C0E5A@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:AR >> > $IF F$EXTRACT(0,1,response) .eqs. "[" then response = F$EXTRACT(1,4,response)H >> > followed by all the if statements without the [ in the test string. >> e >> $ response = response - "[" > M > I never found exact documentation on how the subtraction operator worked onDC > strings. I though that it worked only on trailing characters. ...h  H         No, not a  all.   It  starts  at  the  beginning  of the string,H     searches  forward  and  deletes the first occurrance it  finds.   IfH     there are multiple occurrances  of  the  same  character(s)  in  theH     string  and  you  want  to  remove  all  of them, you need to do the-     subtraction multiple times.  For example,a           $ xx = "abacadae"m#         $ yy = xx - "a" - "a" - "a"t         $ sho sym yy           YY = "bcdae"	         $t  
     Clear?  	     	-Kenn --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu.:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 19:13:15 -0500d: From: malmberg@eisner.encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)? Subject: Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached. 3 Message-ID: <KQJ4eMB5UbHE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   , In article <3A7F3D3C.905C0E5A@videotron.ca>,/ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:E > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:u1 >> > $IF F$EXTRACT(0,1,response) .eqs. "[" then -n) >> >   response = F$EXTRACT(1,4,response)gH >> > followed by all the if statements without the [ in the test string. >> >> $ response = response - "[" > C > I never found exact documentation on how the subtraction operatort= > worked on strings. I though that it worked only on trailingv' > characters. What exactly does it do ?   B The subtraction operator removes the first occurence of the second@ string from the first string, if the second string exists at all in the first string.  B It is not an error for the second string not to exist in the first string.A  ? See the OpenVMS User's Manual, section 14.6.3 for more fun withr strings.  E IIRC: In the older documentation sets it was known as "DCL Concepts".3   -Johna wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:22:52 -0500.- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>k? Subject: Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.s, Message-ID: <3A7F43CA.FFFC4668@videotron.ca>   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:SD > The subtraction operator removes the first occurence of the secondB > string from the first string, if the second string exists at all > in the first string.  G > IIRC: In the older documentation sets it was known as "DCL Concepts".l  # Thanks. Will have to go and RTFM...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:21:03 -0500m2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)? Subject: Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.oL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0502011921030001@user-2iveaun.dialup.mindspring.com>  [ In article <3A7F3D3C.905C0E5A@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:t   > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:oS > > > $IF F$EXTRACT(0,1,response) .eqs. "[" then response = F$EXTRACT(1,4,response)tI > > > followed by all the if statements without the [ in the test string.m > >  > > $ response = response - "["h > M > I never found exact documentation on how the subtraction operator worked ontL > strings. I though that it worked only on trailing characters. What exactly > does it do ?   OpenVMS user's manual:@ http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6489/6489pro_034.html   (See section 14.6.3)P "Reduction --- The minus sign removes the second character string from the first  character string. nL  If the second character string occurs more than once in the first character>  string, only the first occurrence of the string is removed. "  5 It works anywhere in the string, not just at the end.w   -- s Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:10:42 GMTo3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>  Subject: Re: I still dont know!h/ Message-ID: <3A7F07AE.90E053AF@cableinet.co.uk>u   Warren Spencer wrote:h > . > wholland@tscnet.com (Wayne Holland) wrote inF > <9613812A2BCD5F0C.8300A5EB5C75923E.5A984F75E4421B51@lp.airnews.net>: > 7 > >In all the years of my career, I'm afraid to ask....t9 > >what in the world does the acyronym mean "AFAIK" mean?r > >t, > >Hopefully, the world has not degenerated! > J > I'd like to take this opportunity to embarass myself too. AFAIK, I stillE > don't know the meaning of IIRC.  Could someone please enlighten me?t >   = If I Remember Correctly, its self evident from this sentence.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 02:26:51 +0100e2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: I still dont know!t; Message-ID: <3a7f52db.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>a  & Dean Woodward (deanw@rdrop.com) wrote: > Warren Spencer wrote:e- > > wholland@tscnet.com (Wayne Holland) wrotew9 > > >In all the years of my career, I'm afraid to ask....k; > > >what in the world does the acyronym mean "AFAIK" mean?I > > L > > I'd like to take this opportunity to embarass myself too. AFAIK, I stillG > > don't know the meaning of IIRC.  Could someone please enlighten me?o >l > Pointer to the Jargon File...g! > http://info.astrian.net/jargon/e   AFAIK, the canonical URLs are, http://www.jargon.org/C http://www.tuxedo.org/jargon/ or http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/s http://www.ccil.org/jargon/    Always worth a look, IMHO...   cu,i   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:22:44 GMTc4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Laser and BlazerF8 Message-ID: <84Df6.44$293.28803@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  ? > In article <87u26chqt1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, someone writes:t   > :r > :> Terry C Shannon wrote:sI > :> > with the engineering manager for the Blazer platform (Blazer beingu theu" > :> > 4-way IA64-Inside ProLiant) > :t. > :Chunder...  Filthying the name of the 7000! >m  D You might want to take a look at the new Blazer before arriving at aK decision. It actually is a nice piece of work, even if you hate Intel CPUs. K There's a heck of a lot of CPQ value-add in the box, and much of the designeJ work was done by the Tandem team from Cupertino. I know for sure that if IH was a Field Service person, I'd find the Blazer much easier to deal with than, say, a UE10K.-  G On the downside, the thing has got more fans than you can shake a stick I at... 9 or ten of  'em. But Unobtainium is reported to be "hot stuff," sor, the heavily-populated Fan Club is necessary!   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Feb 2001 05:31:12 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Laser and Blazerl- Message-ID: <874ry8zujj.fsf@prep.synonet.com>-  6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  I > On the downside, the thing has got more fans than you can shake a stickoK > at... 9 or ten of  'em. But Unobtainium is reported to be "hot stuff," soh. > the heavily-populated Fan Club is necessary!  B Fans? With the wall to wall row in the M600, or the howling hoarde- in the 11/70, I think I could cope with that.   ? Nice to know there is something in an Itanic box that performs.p   -- h< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.0@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:08:04 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)X Subject: Re: Laser and Blazer (Was: Re: Capellas agrees conference gave wrong impression7 Message-ID: <oSCf6.436$cu.2101@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>e  \ In article <87u26chqt1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:0 :JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: :t :> Terry C Shannon wrote:dK :> > with the engineering manager for the Blazer platform (Blazer being the   :> > 4-way IA64-Inside ProLiant) :k, :Chunder...  Filthying the name of the 7000!  8   Laser was VAX 7000.  Big Laser (Blazer) was VAX 10000.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:03:45 GMTw3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>o  Subject: Re: Latest BIND exploit/ Message-ID: <3A7F0604.A19B8FA1@cableinet.co.uk>    Bob Koehler wrote: > P > In article <95mdc6$pss$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pteppic <pchill@my-deja.com> writes:K > > I thought most buffer overflow attacks relied on injecting machine codeeJ > > into the stack + a fake return address to fool the OS into running it. > >gE > > I'm pretty sure VMS wouldn't let you get away with this (accvio).e > H > There's nothing in VMS itself that guards against this.  You won't getH > an accvio trying to write to your own stack.  In the past less of thisJ > has been seen on VMS than other systems just because it's fairly easy toJ > write C code that's vulnerable to this and a lot of VMS isn't written in > C, but other systems are.- > H > It's possible (and fairly straight forward) to write C code that isn't@ > vulnerable and it's possible to write vulnerable code in otherE > languages.  The problem seems mostly to relate to how easy it is toeD > write code that is vulnerable in C and how much code was delivered4 > without anyone who knows the problem reviewing it. >   eF Fair enough. Am I right in assuming that any such attack would have to beE explicitly targetted at VMS (or whatever other OS variant)? Surely ife someonenG overflows the stack and loads Intel linux or W98 code onto the stack ofh a VMStF process it won't be able to do anything malicious, apart from crashing the process , (or the system if a priv'd process) perhaps?  < Are we cool discussing this stuff here? I'll shut up if not.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:18:38 GMTs2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Licensing7 Message-ID: <i0Df6.437$cu.2101@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>w  { In article <C849ADC255F581E4.294898C2CCF425FE.8EB43A6F948788E6@lp.airnews.net>, Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com> writes:hF :If I get a used VAX with its O/S intact, and I eventually fire it up,B :and find that the license has expired,  what do I do?? (hobbyist)  '   Get yourself new hobbyist licenses.  s  =   See the hobbyist information referenced in the OpenVMS FAQ.r  D   Once you have the new licenses, LICENSE UNLOAD and LICENSE DISABLEF   the old license PAKs, then LICENSE REGISTER and LICENSE LOAD the new   hobbyist license PAKs.  C   You will need the /AUTH qualifier if there are multiple licenses h/   of the same PAK name in the license database.e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:52:52 -0800a! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.como Subject: Re: Lisbon ConferenceD Message-ID: <OF24A1FFEB.78E3CFA7-ON882569EA.00677B1A@foundation.com>  E No, it's just the rest of the world doesn't consider the geography of0F America (any flavour) as important as the Americans (Northern flavour)J think they should. In England we are mostly taught our own geography, withH an overview of the rest of the world, and sometimes a bit more detail onK one or two other areas depending on the school. America wasn't something wem$ paid much attention to at my school.   Shane-          E bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) on 02/02/2001 11:00:13 AMp  & Please respond to bill@cs.scranton.edu   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com6 cc:d   Subject:  Re: Lisbon Conference     
 In articleA <OFCE561C89.0F8C5514-ON032569E7.0034060A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,d,  fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: |>K |> Oh yeas ! In fact USA should be named United States of New England :-)))- |>  A That would make no sense at all as New England is a subset of the @ United States, just as the United States is a subset of America.@ North America is a continent on which are located (From north to@ south) Canada, The Unted States and Mexico.  All are in America.B I could also name all the countries in South America, My knowledge> gets sketchy when it comes to Central America and I don't knowD where that falls in light of the two continents idea.  And I learned  all this more than 40 years ago.  > I honestly thought the US had the worst elementary educational3 system in the world, but I am now having my doubts.    bill   --J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:01:19 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)5 Subject: Re: List of cdroms working with DEC hardwareu7 Message-ID: <jEDf6.439$cu.2015@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>n  ` In article <3A7DF7A0.AB99F0C6@pcde.inka.de>, Dennis Grevenstein <cdromlist@pcde.inka.de> writes:@ :...Some time ago I started a thread about cdroms that work with> :DEC hardware. Allthough the results were not so impressiv and@ :normally I would not publish it, I got mails from people asking= :me what cdrom they should get for their old DEC workstation. & :So I guess it will be usefull anyway. ..- :http://sites.inka.de/pcde/dec-cdrom-list.txtr ..  +   Danke.  Ich aktualisiere das OpenVMS FAQ.e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:16:37 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)a5 Subject: Re: List of cdroms working with DEC hardwaree0 Message-ID: <009F730F.18DC93F3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  l In article <jEDf6.439$cu.2015@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:a >In article <3A7DF7A0.AB99F0C6@pcde.inka.de>, Dennis Grevenstein <cdromlist@pcde.inka.de> writes:sA >:...Some time ago I started a thread about cdroms that work with ? >:DEC hardware. Allthough the results were not so impressiv andIA >:normally I would not publish it, I got mails from people asking > >:me what cdrom they should get for their old DEC workstation.' >:So I guess it will be usefull anyway.l >.... >:http://sites.inka.de/pcde/dec-cdrom-list.txt >... >p, >  Danke.  Ich aktualisiere das OpenVMS FAQ.  : But its list is woefully incomplete to add to the VMS FAQ.  E I would think that you or Dennis might poll this newsgroup again for 2 additional model information.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM$            eO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:33:56 +0000o4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>5 Subject: Re: List of cdroms working with DEC hardware 8 Message-ID: <tp9u7t43fo524tpqr3vaavtab76uvenqef@4ax.com>  @ On Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:16:37 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:C  m >In article <jEDf6.439$cu.2015@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:rb >>In article <3A7DF7A0.AB99F0C6@pcde.inka.de>, Dennis Grevenstein <cdromlist@pcde.inka.de> writes:B >>:...Some time ago I started a thread about cdroms that work with@ >>:DEC hardware. Allthough the results were not so impressiv andB >>:normally I would not publish it, I got mails from people asking? >>:me what cdrom they should get for their old DEC workstation.r( >>:So I guess it will be usefull anyway. >>...c/ >>:http://sites.inka.de/pcde/dec-cdrom-list.txto >>...D >>- >>  Danke.  Ich aktualisiere das OpenVMS FAQ.n >h; >But its list is woefully incomplete to add to the VMS FAQ.h >bF >I would think that you or Dennis might poll this newsgroup again for  >additional model information. h  E Toshiba XM-5401 - no problems on Vax or Alpha, 6.2 and up.  I believet, this to be the drive "inside" an RRD43 (4x).   	Johnd -- o
 John Laird   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:40:46 +0000 ; From: Malcolm MacArthur <malcolmm@rustic-place.demon.co.uk> 5 Subject: Re: List of cdroms working with DEC hardwaren8 Message-ID: <3A7F39FE.D0C10CE9@rustic-place.demon.co.uk>  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > n > In article <jEDf6.439$cu.2015@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:c > >In article <3A7DF7A0.AB99F0C6@pcde.inka.de>, Dennis Grevenstein <cdromlist@pcde.inka.de> writes: C > >:...Some time ago I started a thread about cdroms that work with-A > >:DEC hardware. Allthough the results were not so impressiv andsC > >:normally I would not publish it, I got mails from people asking @ > >:me what cdrom they should get for their old DEC workstation.) > >:So I guess it will be usefull anyway.5 > >...0 > >:http://sites.inka.de/pcde/dec-cdrom-list.txt > >... > >J. > >  Danke.  Ich aktualisiere das OpenVMS FAQ. > < > But its list is woefully incomplete to add to the VMS FAQ. >e  I I can add that the NEC Multispin 4X SCSI CDROM works with a Multia's SCSI 4 interface, and probably with other SCSI Alphas/Vaxen  D NEC Multispin 4Xi, Model Number CDR-501, mfgd. December 1994, FCC IDL A3D9MDNCD-501. The drive is set to SCSI-2 mode. I don't know if that makes a difference.   N After trying a CDROM out of an old Prioris dual Pentium 100 server, an HP SCSIO CD-writer and an HP external SCSI DVD-ROM, the NEC Multispin which I bought for P 5 ($8-ish) at a computer fair was the only one which would boot the 7.2 install@ CDROM. Sometimes you don't get what you pay for, you get more ;)  > Although I did have great difficulty getting a caddy for it...  	 -Malcolm.J  F > I would think that you or Dennis might poll this newsgroup again for > additional model information.1 > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 00:50:17 +0100r. From: Dennis Grevenstein <dennis@pcde.inka.de>5 Subject: Re: List of cdroms working with DEC hardwareo, Message-ID: <3A7F3C39.23159881@pcde.inka.de>   Hi,i   John Laird wrote:n > G > >I would think that you or Dennis might poll this newsgroup again for   > >additional model information.   Any reports are welcome.  G > Toshiba XM-5401 - no problems on Vax or Alpha, 6.2 and up.  I believem. > this to be the drive "inside" an RRD43 (4x).   added to the list.   Dennis   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 07:47:53 +0100u. From: Marcin Szczecinski <marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl>5 Subject: Re: List of cdroms working with DEC hardwarea0 Message-ID: <20010206074753.A22427@lodz.tpsa.pl>  ? My Alpha  (DEC3000-800) is happy with TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-6401TA. ; I can boot VMS (6.2-1H4) and read CDs (CD, CD-R and CD-RW).e   Marcin Szczecinski marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 13:05:58 PSTuT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515). Subject: Re: Looking for specific TPU goodies.3 Message-ID: <XfxxoNKvTdkB@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>e  ; In article <SIMEON.10102051424.D@kings-ut-srv1.kcl.ac.uk>, i0     	Andy Harper <Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk> writes: > 4 > On Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:14:22 +0000 "POWERS, John" ! > <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk> wrote:r >  >> Hi Y'all. >> cH >> I am trying to find some TPU modules which I had at my previous placeE >> of work. When I moved here, in a moment of stupidity I only took awH >> copy of the TPU$SECTION, not all the source bits that made it up. NowC >> I want to create a new section file here, to add them on to whatw >> we have.e >> n4 >> The 2 specific items which I am looking for are.. >> gG >> A module that adds a cool graphical line of column numbers along the  >> top of the screen.WH >> A module that allows insertion of a bunch of incrementing numbers (or1 >> any other data) in any selected block of text.  >> rH >> I don't remember the names of the procedures (I used defined functionI >> keys to call them), but I am sure I remember getting both of them fromiI >> the same place. I think the eve$build module identifier was something  E >> like KFH$ or KFL$ or something - possibly the author's initials(?)f > D >   I believe all of these are stored on my old VMS archive. Look in7 >       http://www.agh.cc.kcl.ac.uk/files/vms/vms_share0 > A >   Look for packages starting with 'khf' (they ARE the author's I >   initials - Ken Fairfield).  H         Yep, my stuff.  :-)  The  two  modules  would  be KHF$RULER (theH     columns  numbers  across the top of windows) and  KHF$COLUMN  (whichH     allows insert/delete/overstrike of a Column of Text,  optionally  asH     an  incrementing  or decrementing series of numbers, optionally withH     non-unity increment between numbers).   I  use this stuff myself allH     the  time,  BTW. :-)  The other one that I find  indespensible,  butH     which wasn't mentioned by John, is KHF$FIND_ALL (which uses FIND  orH     WILDCARD  FIND syntax to display _all_ lines at once which contain aH     match, and hinds  all  the  other  lines).   This  module is also at     Andy's site.           -Ken  D     P.S. Thanks to Andy for keeping this archive alive!  Is there an*          address for anonymous FTP access? -- tI  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:50:21 GMT73 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Missing Disk Space / Message-ID: <3A7F02EA.36EE45EC@cableinet.co.uk>r   norm lastovica wrote:  >  > swag -) >         before looking at the disk, do:r > 4 >                 $ set volume/rebuild=force dka700:) >                 $ anal/disk/rep dka700:r  E and,if that doesn't fix it, I find it handy to have a few weeks worthtH of backup listings for the daily backups hanging around, use differences8 to look at what files are being created or are growning.  H Tim, who still doesn't know where the system disk space was disappearing toG at several Kblocks per day when he had DECWindows debug enabled a whilet back (Fred?).   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:37:41 GMTa' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> 5 Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.7 will not connect to anything-- Message-ID: <3A7F0F06.F9A29C01@theblakes.com>3  S If you use Bugzilla and search for "multinet" in the summary you will find one bug:l  1 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61769T  _ The answer says you need an update to Multinet. I believe V4.3 Rev A is the recommended versiona now.   Colin.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:10:53 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l$ Subject: Re: None Dare Call It NEWCO, Message-ID: <3A7F16D9.FF33F3B2@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:oJ > As for opening and closing doors, note that when the acquisition finallyN > went down, Digital had been twisting in the wind and losing brand equity and< > market share at a prodigious rate for a protracted period.    M Reminds me of Barrow Creek in Australia's red centre, north of Alice Springs.lM It is one of the few remaining "rustic" roadhouses on that road, and it has a N lot of "character". The owner, is *very* colourful and in 1998, celebrated his5 10th year of ownership of the place with a big party.f  F One of the reasons that the place is so rustic is that Les (the owner)L divorced his wife, but the wife retains 50% ownership of the place. So Les'sN strategy is to run the place to the ground to drop the value enough so that heL can buy his wife's shares, then once he owns the whole of it, he then startsF to fix the place up and make lots and lots of money and will make that* roadhouse worth more than a million bucks.    L The way I see it, Eckhart got Palmer to drop the value of Digital to a pointN where Compaq could afford to buy it. Eckhart would have known that Digital hadK a lot of value, but that it had been purposefully (or through incompetence)-V diminished and that such value could easily be re-energized with competent management.  M I still remember when Compaq announced its takeover of Digital, many here hadBR hopes that with compaq's smart marketing, we'd see VMS grow to its full potential.  G Perhaps the Digital staff were so convinced that VMS was dead that theyvH managed to infect Compaq with that mentality as the merger was consumed., (Hence the decsion to kill "Digital" brand).  H Perhaps Compaq never had any intentions of keeping "Digital" and it justL wanted to instantly become a larger company with sales offices worldwide andG the support business, knowing that it would have to maintan those peskyoF Digital products that just won't die no matter how hard Digital tried.  J I don't know what Eckhart's original intentions were, but it is clear thatN Compaq didn't agree with him and he got thrown out. Whether he was our ally or  our ennemy, I really don't know.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:49:47 +0000g) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>t$ Subject: Re: None Dare Call It NEWCO, Message-ID: <3A7F3C1B.E46715E1@infopuls.com>   JF Mezei wrote:n >  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:iL > > As for opening and closing doors, note that when the acquisition finallyP > > went down, Digital had been twisting in the wind and losing brand equity and> > > market share at a prodigious rate for a protracted period. > O > Reminds me of Barrow Creek in Australia's red centre, north of Alice Springs.aO > It is one of the few remaining "rustic" roadhouses on that road, and it has arP > lot of "character". The owner, is *very* colourful and in 1998, celebrated his7 > 10th year of ownership of the place with a big party.  > H > One of the reasons that the place is so rustic is that Les (the owner)N > divorced his wife, but the wife retains 50% ownership of the place. So Les'sP > strategy is to run the place to the ground to drop the value enough so that heN > can buy his wife's shares, then once he owns the whole of it, he then startsH > to fix the place up and make lots and lots of money and will make that, > roadhouse worth more than a million bucks. > N > The way I see it, Eckhart got Palmer to drop the value of Digital to a pointP > where Compaq could afford to buy it. Eckhart would have known that Digital hadM > a lot of value, but that it had been purposefully (or through incompetence)iX > diminished and that such value could easily be re-energized with competent management. > O > I still remember when Compaq announced its takeover of Digital, many here had-T > hopes that with compaq's smart marketing, we'd see VMS grow to its full potential. > I > Perhaps the Digital staff were so convinced that VMS was dead that they0J > managed to infect Compaq with that mentality as the merger was consumed.. > (Hence the decsion to kill "Digital" brand). > J > Perhaps Compaq never had any intentions of keeping "Digital" and it justN > wanted to instantly become a larger company with sales offices worldwide andI > the support business, knowing that it would have to maintan those pesky H > Digital products that just won't die no matter how hard Digital tried. > L > I don't know what Eckhart's original intentions were, but it is clear thatP > Compaq didn't agree with him and he got thrown out. Whether he was our ally or" > our ennemy, I really don't know.  ? He surely wasn't an enemy because he stated that buying Digitalo; was one of the few chances Compaq had to grow in quality as ? opposed to quantity. He had the vision to transform Compaq to at@ enterprise computing supplier and he wants Digital to get access> to the big company's management and datacenters. Unfortunately< he got fired after a bad period although he had grown Compaq from 1 to about 100.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:53:42 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: Re: OPENVMS 7.3....When?d7 Message-ID: <axDf6.438$cu.2015@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>m  l In article <1Blf6.9877$tS.2498195@typhoon.austin.rr.com>, "CHARLES COOPER" <scooper8@houston.rr.com> writes:J :Compaq starting advertising all the great features of OPENVMS 7.3 back in :September 2000.     Ayup..  < :Does anyone know what the status or release date for it is?     Ayup.i  = :perhaps it has been released and I missed my distribution...G     Nope.   @   Ayup, I'm feeling particularly literal-minded today, too.  :-)  :   You can get a look at SDK2/EFT2 by ordering QA-MT3AD-H8.  I   The OpenVMS Roadmap available on the Compaq OpenVMS website might also s@   be of some interest to you.  (The FAQ has a direct pointer...)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:36:54 -0600n7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>e0 Subject: OT - Proof: Gates has a "Jesus" complex- Message-ID: <3A7F7F66.21E18EDB@earthlink.net>r   Got this in my e-mail today:  3 MICROSOFT DUBS NEW VERSIONS OF WINDOWS, OFFICE 'XP'g   For the full story:hI http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/02/05/010205hnxp.xml?0205mnpmy   (Sorry if the URL wrapped.)/  B Now, for those old enough to remember, there once was a symbol forH Christ (in the Catholic church, at least) called "Chi-Rho". The scholarsE out there will recognize these as the Greek letters equivalent to ouraG "X" and "P". When juxtaposed like so (looks best in a mono-spaced font,eC Deja readers should go to the bottom of the message and click "Viewr original Usenet format")::     +--\   |  |   +--/   |C \ | /r  \|/   X-  / \ /   \.  > ...it's a symbol that, among other meanings, can be taken as aF shepherd's crook standing in a manger. More typically, this is seen inH Western churches as a "P" "standing on" an inverted cross. All the same, it's a symbol for Christ.   ) So: gates thinks he's the "saviour", huh?d  D I guess if he claims that u$haft is the beginning and the end (read:H "Alpha and Omega") of personal computing, that should fairly well clinch6 it, huh? (Sorry - "inside joke" between us Catholics.)  B Of course, God knows that gates is not the "light of the (personalF computing) world"! It'd be far less inaccurate to say he's the hand ofD Satan at work in our world today. Those who claim that these are theC "end times" maintain that the anti-Christ must already be among us.s There's the proof, eh?  = Tangentially, I once had a recording business called, "ChiRhotD Recording", geared toward the Christian rock market. Maybe I shouldaF hung in THERE and made a go of it... (Coulda, woulda, shoulda...) ThatC was one of the earliest of the "Delta Juliette Enterprises" ("DJE")3
 companies.   -- o David J. Dachterad dba DJE Systems. http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/>  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged..   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Feb 2001 05:20:44 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>6 Subject: Re: Plenum vs. non-plenum in the data center?- Message-ID: <87d7cwzv0z.fsf@prep.synonet.com>l  " steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:   > Paul Repacholi wrote:uE > >>>You underfloor discharges air into peopled spaces. Thus it IS anl@ > air plenum, modulo your city, state what ever... For cable, as; > a rule of thumb, if it's not PTFE sheathed, it's a no-no.  > Vinyl is a real no!<<< > K > Strange.  I thought that PTFE gave off Phosgene gas when it burned.  Thish$ > is _really_, _really_ bad for you.  B Yes, but normally if it has reached that point and Temp, breathingB isn't a problem :( Also, ANY fire in an air dust is *really* evil.@ Forced airflow is great for getting it going, and then spreading@ the fire through the AC zone. And it is a real pisser to get at.> No flamibles, and PTFE is non-flamible but PVC is very, knocks" the odds of a fire there WAY down.  ? Other thing, Fire codes are VERY slow to change, and tend to ben1 what everyone involved is willing to put up with.<   -- 3< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.0@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:18:38 GMTn3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>h Subject: Shadowed Processesa/ Message-ID: <3A7F0976.8445DB02@cableinet.co.uk>i  C OK, we have shadowed disks, why not shadowed processes on different. clustertD nodes? I can see there might be a performance hit, but on a Wildfire withH shared memory, maybe not so much. Sure would shut AH up, though, easy toF migrate processes of CPU's. Sort of people who want that sort of faultG tolerance just might be prepared to pay for the hardware to deliver it.l  s+ I have a feeling though it is a naive idea.-  
 Any comments?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:26:04 -0700w From: none <none@none.com> Subject: Re: Shadowed Processes ' Message-ID: <3A7F0C5C.2080007@none.com>n  3 No, it's not naive, and compaq has it.  It's callede Tandem Non-Stop Kernel.u   Tim Llewellyn wrote:  E > OK, we have shadowed disks, why not shadowed processes on different.	 > clusteryF > nodes? I can see there might be a performance hit, but on a Wildfire > withJ > shared memory, maybe not so much. Sure would shut AH up, though, easy toH > migrate processes of CPU's. Sort of people who want that sort of faultI > tolerance just might be prepared to pay for the hardware to deliver it.( >  E- > I have a feeling though it is a naive idea.- >  > Any comments?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:25:24 -0500j- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>r Subject: Re: Shadowed Processes1( Message-ID: <3A7F0C1E.B14CBFD0@ohio.edu>  : Three thoughts:  first, it looks like re-inventing Tandem.  K Second, how about "Shadowed Processing" -- each replica gets a complete set.A of I/O resources to itself, with operating system intervention to + coordinate and to recover from catastrophe.R  / Third, it still looks like re-inventing Tandem.-  +                                         RDP0     Tim Llewellyn wrote:  E > OK, we have shadowed disks, why not shadowed processes on differentk	 > clusterCF > nodes? I can see there might be a performance hit, but on a Wildfire > withJ > shared memory, maybe not so much. Sure would shut AH up, though, easy toH > migrate processes of CPU's. Sort of people who want that sort of faultI > tolerance just might be prepared to pay for the hardware to deliver it.r > - > I have a feeling though it is a naive idea.C >5 > Any comments?9   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:17:25 -0500r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Shadowed ProcessesI, Message-ID: <3A7F1861.25AF8A36@videotron.ca>   Tim Llewellyn wrote:E > OK, we have shadowed disks, why not shadowed processes on differentc	 > cluster 	 > nodes? e    F Digital HAD it. Remember the VAX 4000 FT, with fault tolerant features supported by VMS ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:38:48 GMTb; From: Mark Garrett <Mark.Garrett@wedontwantyourspam.com.au>w Subject: Re: Shadowed ProcessesnC Message-ID: <B6A57343.115FF%Mark.Garrett@wedontwantyourspam.com.au>   6 in article 3A7F1861.25AF8A36@videotron.ca, JF Mezei at7 jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca wrote on 06/02/2001 08:17:e   > Tim Llewellyn wrote:F >> OK, we have shadowed disks, why not shadowed processes on different
 >> cluster
 >> nodes?  >  > H > Digital HAD it. Remember the VAX 4000 FT, with fault tolerant features > supported by VMS ?  1 No I only remember a VAX3000FT was there a 4000 ?w  
     Cheers         Mark :)_   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:06:39 +0000s) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> % Subject: Re: Source listings contentss, Message-ID: <3A7F23EF.E668C29F@infopuls.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:d > - > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:e > B > > Fine with me. Reverse engineering the cluster code as probablyC > > been done by SUN and IBM. This can be done without any sources.nD > > This also holds for the patented parts (and of course all othersD > > where it doesn't matter). I think that including the robustness,A > > cluster technique and other VMS specific things into Solaris, = > > Linux, OS/400 ... isn't close to impossible because thesenD > > features have to be designed in. I know that clusters came laterD > > but I'm not sure if they hadn't something like this in mind whenC > > they designed VMS first or if they rewrote major parts and withaB > > help of their clean design it was possible. There are featuresC > > (e.g. multi-threading) which can't be implemented afterwards if|4 > > you have forgotten them. Better start over then. > >|9 > > The other reasons call for publishing the sources :-)- > C > The clustering started in 3.6 and 3.7. ( Going from memory here )o@ > 3.7 had the DLM running non-clustered, and 'everything' useingF > ENQ DEQ for locking. So, as Kirby said, with for you just distribute: > th DLM and it 'just works'. He smiled as he said that... > D > As most everything on VMS used RMS by default, putting the locking( > in there cleaned up in one fell swoop. > < > But where in unix do you start? And it would have to go in: > the user stuff; doing it all in the kernal would make itC > a cripple for little gain. Not to mention the fanatics that wouldt> > scream the roof down if you put functionallity into the unix > kernal ;)o > D > They have had 20 years to grab the ideas in clustering. A few daysC > with a  system running SDA, SHO CLU, and pocking through the lockrA > database is enough to tell someone competent near all they needa
 > to know. > @ > I think if the Q put the SCS and cluster code up for free, the? > only people who would take much interest would be, VMS users,l@ > DB people, and the Linux/BSD people. the laters responce would- > be " It not in C..." "It's not standard..."e >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.oB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.  ? Mostly agreed. I have to correct a expression error: I tried toi" say "... including the robustness,= cluster technique and other VMS specific things into Solaris,3: Linux, OS/400 ... **is** close to impossible because these= features have to be designed in.", seems you've understood it  anyway the way I meant it.= Although I respect the BSD people most within the free UNIXesa> (but admitted I base this on second hand experience still ...)@ I'm not sure if UNIX and C people would like to incorporate this? as you pointed out with "It's not C and their philosophy to puta@ all but the minimum work on the shoulders of the app programmer.@ OTH is their any chance to catch up with NSK which seems to have9 some of VMS strengths? Or does anybody know what the mains advantage of NSK over VMS is?e   ------------------------------  5 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 22:45 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)i- From: dmacdonald@cix.co.uk (Duncan Macdonald)l* Subject: Suggested upgrade to VMS (DECnet)C Message-ID: <memo.20010205224515.60559A@dmacdonald.compulink.co.uk>a  ; I think that it would be a big help if the NCP emulator in o; DECnet phase 5 was enhanced (or replaced by a new program) c8 that took all the existing Phase 4 NCP commands for the 9 typical case of a non-routing node with one Ethernet (or w3 Fast Ethernet) connection using phase 4 compatible e addressing only.< As things stand the phase 5 system is only of use to a very < small number of companies that have sufficient node to make ; the DECnet phase 4 addressing scheme break down. (Probably h under 1% of VMS users.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:49:49 +0000p+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>S. Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade to VMS (DECnet)' Message-ID: <3A7F3C1D.7EEEA7F0@iee.org>u   Duncan Macdonald wrote: < > I think that it would be a big help if the NCP emulator in< > DECnet phase 5 was enhanced (or replaced by a new program)  = > As things stand the phase 5 system is only of use to a very = > small number of companies that have sufficient node to makei  6 If the market is that small, why waste effort updating
 the emulator?   6 At this stage in the game, if you wish to use Phase 5,6 then learn enough anout Phase 5 to get up and running.  2 The emulator was a crutch to help out installation. procedures such that products wouldn't have to3 go through a release cycle just to work on Phase 5.   1 Using an emulator all the time just hides what isn1 really going on underneath (just like defining an1' alias of "dir" for ls when moving from  - OpenVMS to Unix, or "cd" for SET DEFAULT whena# headed in the opposite direction). a  
 FWIW, IMHO   Antonioe   -- ,   ---------------w- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:52:24 -0800d! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com O Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.0A FTP Server Rejecting Connections - was RE: Where to getoD Message-ID: <OF8B821EB4.E726EDEB-ON882569EA.006AAA27@foundation.com>  B I was having similar problems myself, setting up a hobbyist systemJ recently. I was also having trouble with eXcursion, and was working mostlyJ on that. While tinkering with eXcursion, the FTP suddenly started working,H seemingly when I added some proxies. Now, I don't know for sure that wasJ the fix, since I was debugging something else at the time, but it might be! worth looking into UCX ADD PROXY.    Shanee          F "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net> on 02/04/2001 09:08:45 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:o  I Subject:  Re: TCPIP 5.0A FTP Server Rejecting Connections - was RE: Wherei       to get    K A connection rejected message is delivered by the protocol when there is nodH listener -or- you exceed the connection backlog (which is unlikely).  If youiE do a TCPIP SHOW DEVICE, can you see the FTP listener out there?  (Them remote address will be 0.0.0.0).e   -Johne  - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in messageh/ news:1010203171818.3117F-100000@Ives.egh.com...i, > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Gloria Griffith wrote: > J > > Ok, I have tried all of your great suggestions and I am not making any	 progress.o > [...]o >q5 > > I have checked the protection on the login files.n > >e! > > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]  > > $ > > SYLOGIN.COM;6 (RWED,RWED,RE,RWE) > >k >iG > World WRITE access to sylogin.com???  This sounds real bad to me, butiE > probably isn't the cause of your problem (unless someone inserted a  > "$logout" in it.)  >sE > What does SYLOGIN.COM do?  If it does anything that won't work fromiC > a network process, such as $ SET TERMINAL commands, it will breakeC > FTP.  You need to dispatch on F$MODE and only execute interactiveoD > commands for interactive processes, etc.  See SYLOGIN.TEMPLATE for > instructions and examples. >a! > > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]  > >n# > > LOGIN.COM;12 (RWED,RWED,RE,RWE)o >nC > Irrelevent, unless you are FTP'ing to the SYSTEM account.  If so,p > the same provisos apply. >sF > > The FTP server looks like it ought  to be working but something is wrong 	 because I.J > > have tried to FTP to this machine many times and there are not any new	 log files J > > being generated.  The log file I sent you earlier was from Jan 19 when thingsK > > stopped working (of course I do not know what happened that day....this3
 machine isF > > used for production and the apps people are always doing something without telling8$ > > me) and there are no more since. >EI > No new log files?  What is the version number of the top-most log file?gD > ;32767?  If so, you need to delete them all or rename them down in versionoG > numbers (i.e. to keep 20 versions, rename ;32748 to ;1, ;32749 to ;2,sG > etc. through ;32767 to ;20.)  The easiest way to do this is to renamey$ > them all twice, using a wild card: >e* > $ RENAME TCPIP$FTP_SERVER.LOG;* TEMP.LOG* > $ RENAME TEMP.LOG;* TCPIP$FTP_SERVER.LOG >pC > (Doing a wild-card rename like this inverts the order of the file G > versions, so doing it twice restores the original order, but gets the-K > version numbers to range from 1 to NN instead of from 32767-NN to 32767.)f >S > >nI > > This has got to be something that I am just not seeing. Thank you for-
 your help, if-C > > you want to throw any more advice my way, I will appreciate it!a > >e > > Gloria Griffithn >e > Hope this helps. >G > --
 > John Santosm > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:28:58 +13006 From: "antony wardle" <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz> Subject: tcpipa eco2 now out1 Message-ID: <OXDf6.2021$sS4.68344@ozemail.com.au>/  * For those that aren't on the cpq mail list    K              http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2/tcpip/5.0a/h      ( 25000blocks uncompresses to 45000 blocks     antony   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:55:49 -05009 From: "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net>  Subject: Two Mail Files 2 Message-ID: <95nlin$gbk$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  
 Hello all,L I was wondering if it is possible to concatenate two mail.mai files.  I haveJ a mail file that is pre 31-AUG-2000 and one that is post, due to a screwupK in a SET MAIL_DIRECTORY that I just noticed.  %-)  I would like these to be - one happy mailfile.  Is this at all possible?  Thanks in advance,8 =+=Steven Shamlian=+=  (not~dot~an~at~earthling~dot~net)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 03:28:21 GMTcL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: Two Mail Filess8 Message-ID: <009F7332.4357FE6C@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  n In article <95nlin$gbk$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net> writes: >Hello all,tM >I was wondering if it is possible to concatenate two mail.mai files.  I have K >a mail file that is pre 31-AUG-2000 and one that is post, due to a screwup L >in a SET MAIL_DIRECTORY that I just noticed.  %-)  I would like these to be. >one happy mailfile.  Is this at all possible?  $ MAIL> SET FILE $directory_1:mail.mai   (for each folder)t   MAIL> SEL foldername/ MAIL> MOVE/ALL foldername $directory_2:mail.maic  
 MAIL> EXIT  L I'm sure you could write a program, possibly using DCL, to read every recordK in one mail file and append it to another, but this way of doing it should lL be completely supported and runs little risk of leaving you with a dud file.   -- Alans  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210mO ===============================================================================e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:38:36 -0500i2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Two Mail Files L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0502012238360001@user-2ive66k.dialup.mindspring.com>  m In article <95nlin$gbk$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net> wrote:n   > Hello all,N > I was wondering if it is possible to concatenate two mail.mai files.  I haveL > a mail file that is pre 31-AUG-2000 and one that is post, due to a screwupM > in a SET MAIL_DIRECTORY that I just noticed.  %-)  I would like these to be / > one happy mailfile.  Is this at all possible?s > Thanks in advance,: > =+=Steven Shamlian=+=  (not~dot~an~at~earthling~dot~net)  N First, make backups of both your current mail files and their directory trees.  9Then use the MOVE command in mail to move everything from one mail file to the other.  Note that move takes 2 parameters, a folder and a file.  If move puts a message in a mail file in a different directory, the auxiliary file, if any, will be moved as well.  You'll have to move your messages 1 folder at a time.-   Another way might be to use the DECwindows mail interface.  You can drag messages from one folder to another, and I think from one file to another as well.g   -- 3 Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comh   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:22:41 -0500- From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@golden.net>,. Subject: UCX SMTP duplicate mail sending HELP!5 Message-ID: <rmHf6.270$iR6.29601858@radon.golden.net>r  H Is there any way with UCX 4.2 or other TCP$IP versions to have SMTP mailD filter out duplicates before sending just as standard VMS mail does.  G I would like to leverage our VMS system to become a true smtp/pop email-. server for our company but here is my problem.  3 1) VMS char mode mail can't handle mime attachments:F     - figured that one out by using MAILBOX software suggested on this. newgroups and using TOP_HEADERS in smtp config  E 2) SMTP does not filter out duplicate messages that are not containedd exactly in to list9     - ie: using server side distribution groups stored ine sys$specific:[ucx_smtp]aD         {copy of vms mail dis groups usng RFC names user@domain.com}K     - problem is that if DIS1.DIS constains references to DIS2.DIS and usero2 'A' happens to be in both then with SMTP mail userI         'A' will get the email twice if sending email to dis1@domain.com.eD This is costly as users have to filter the correct vs incorrect mail  I 3) having to maintain a client distribution list for outlook express typec. clients is nothing but a pain to keep in sync.  K If there was some way to intercept smtp mail before it was sent and have ithL go through a user collection process and filter out duplicates?  This is howJ VMS mail does it now and I would have thought VMS would have put somethingH into UCX TCP$IP software to emulate that through a logical or something.  D I have heard of the product on this group called DELIVER but have no information on it at all.    Thanks in advance    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 21:54:01 +0100s% From: Vikram Opal <VOpal@t-online.de>c Subject: UCX vs TCP/IP Servicesc+ Message-ID: <3A7F12E9.7FCEBA18@t-online.de>m  
 Hallo there !   D There's a little something which I think I missed out somteime .....  + Is TCP/IP Services the "new name" for UCX ?   K The UCX license used to be avlbl free for use or rather came along with the P NET APP license..... how has this changed ( if at all ) with TCP / IP Services ?   Rgds Vikram Opal=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:53:28 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comc# Subject: Re: UCX vs TCP/IP Services D Message-ID: <OF32F2DFFD.2B666C48-ON882569EA.007D8F25@foundation.com>  G Yes, the product has been renamed to "TCP/IP Services", but the licenceeI still refers to UCX. Maybe that'll change later, but for the moment enterjD the UCX licence and TCP/IP Services will be happy. I can't speak forJ whether the licence still comes with the OS licence or not, I'm a hobbyist4 user and got a free non-commercial licence that way.   ShaneA          9 Vikram Opal <VOpal@t-online.de> on 02/05/2001 12:54:01 PMe   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- cc:-    Subject:  UCX vs TCP/IP Services    
 Hallo there !a  D There's a little something which I think I missed out somteime .....  + Is TCP/IP Services the "new name" for UCX ?k  K The UCX license used to be avlbl free for use or rather came along with thecE NET APP license..... how has this changed ( if at all ) with TCP / IPe
 Services ?   Rgds Vikram Opal,   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:48:29 +13006 From: "antony wardle" <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz># Subject: Re: UCX vs TCP/IP Servicesr1 Message-ID: <LLHf6.2138$sS4.72542@ozemail.com.au>X  3 It became tcpip services when version 5.0 came out.:  0 Version 5 was a rewrite of the unix version I am2 led to believe. Seems ok, just remember to put the patches on.c  8 All of your ucx commands still work. ie ucx show version" will say tcpip services 5.0a eco 2  + I don't think that the licence has changed.s   cheers   antony    2 "Vikram Opal" <VOpal@t-online.de> wrote in message% news:3A7F12E9.7FCEBA18@t-online.de...S > Hallo there !c >bF > There's a little something which I think I missed out somteime ..... >n- > Is TCP/IP Services the "new name" for UCX ?t >)I > The UCX license used to be avlbl free for use or rather came along withM thecG > NET APP license..... how has this changed ( if at all ) with TCP / IPl
 Services ? >n > Rgds
 > Vikram Opalb   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 21:00:53 -05002 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net># Subject: Re: UCX vs TCP/IP Servicese) Message-ID: <3a7f5b22@newsfeed.vitts.com>l  B I don't believe that this license will change.  There are too manyL dependencies with other products to change the license and some of the other7 things (like UCX$IPC_SHR, UCX$STARTUP.COM, and others).f   -Johnh  . <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in message> news:OF32F2DFFD.2B666C48-ON882569EA.007D8F25@foundation.com... >nI > Yes, the product has been renamed to "TCP/IP Services", but the licenceiK > still refers to UCX. Maybe that'll change later, but for the moment entereF > the UCX licence and TCP/IP Services will be happy. I can't speak forL > whether the licence still comes with the OS licence or not, I'm a hobbyist6 > user and got a free non-commercial licence that way. >  > Shanef >o >  >a >i >h; > Vikram Opal <VOpal@t-online.de> on 02/05/2001 12:54:01 PMe >o > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc > cc:e >o" > Subject:  UCX vs TCP/IP Services >h >n > Hallo there !  > F > There's a little something which I think I missed out somteime ..... >h- > Is TCP/IP Services the "new name" for UCX ?r >hI > The UCX license used to be avlbl free for use or rather came along withe the G > NET APP license..... how has this changed ( if at all ) with TCP / IP, > Services ? >l > Rgds
 > Vikram Opaln >e >w >d >,   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:05:45 GMTw, From: Dave Harrold <DRHarrold@earthlink.net>H Subject: Using Shared Memory or Memory Channel for network communication8 Message-ID: <vbut7tkcheg4na5a1e5bs4mq1epk2ge026@4ax.com>  A I have seen reference to using the shared memory in a galaxy as ai? transport for TCP/IP communication.  The latest was on the demoy@ section of the "OpenVMS Galaxy on the AlphaServer GS Series" CD.  D I have looked in the Guidelines to Cluster Configuration manual, theC Alpha Galaxy Guide, the VMS V7.2-1 New Features Guide, and the V7.2c Release Notes.  4 Is this an option?  What about using Memory Channel?  8 We will be running VMS7.2-1H1 on 2 GS-160s and 2 GS60Es.   Thanks for any input.e   Dave Harrold    V ======================================================================================V Dave Harrold                                          E-Mail: David_Harrold@Aurora.orgL Sr. Software Systems Engineer                         Phone : (414) 647-6204L Aurora Health Care                                    FAX   : (414) 647-4999I 3031 W. Montana Street                                Milwaukee, WI 53234e  X "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to/ underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 21:38:34 -0500+ From: "Rick Guzick" <legalaliens@erols.com>h Subject: VMS Backup on Unixl+ Message-ID: <95no1a$k05$1@bob.news.rcn.net>s  L Hi.  I need to be able to restore some files created on VMS using the BACKUPL command.  I am able to read the tape, but need to restore the files from the7 tape to the disk.  I am running OSF 1.0 on a DEC Alpha.    Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:07:39 GMTl4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>- Subject: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORYd8 Message-ID: <fKDf6.55$293.46434@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  5 This just in from the Advocacy Joint Working Group...0 ] L The "Local Voices...Global Reach" Online Advocacy Program is ready to invite CompaqG users to begin voting for the Compaq business issues they feel are moste important to them.  E The Compaq Business Issues Prioritization Ballot will be available ateK http://www.CompaqWorkingGroup.org from 5 February through 5 March.  BecausenI this is a critical step in the online advocacy process, we need your help % now more than ever... so please vote.,  J Being one who attempts to practice what he preaches, I wandered on over toK the Web site and registered to vote (took less than two minutes, and nobody.K tried to deny my access to the polls!). With that out of the way, I clickedpL on "Issue Voting." A list of 23 issues was presented; I selected the maximumI allowable (six) number of issues that were near and dear to my heart* andeF was then presented with fill-in boxes for my comments on each selected issue.  I The issue selection phase gives you an opportunity to help prioritize theaH issues with which Compaq should be most concerned. Issues will be ranked. according to the number of votes they receive.  G The comment boxes give you a chance to speak your piece to Compaq. WhentF entering comments, bear in mind that it will be far more productive toC suggest a specific improvement than to state something of the "YourEK Marketing is Squatulent" variety. The results of the prioritization processpK will be scanned by the Advocacy Working Group, and those of us on the groupaE already *know* that CPQ's marketing could use some help. What's more,eH productive comments and comments will have more credibility with the CPQF executives who will see the results of the voting and respond to same.  I So there you have it... an opportunity to get heard by Compaq. Go for it!     E *I went with, Marketing and promotion, Third-party development tools, J product and solution (application) portfolio, Local sales support, SupportL for Windows NT on Alpha,  Branding or positioning of products, and Extremely low cost Alpha systems.          -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows Compaq  email: terryshannon@mediaone.net$ Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:55:39 -0500% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>o1 Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORYs/ Message-ID: <t7u4rfpkfir755@news.supernews.com>t  L This doesn't seem to work.  I don't get any error indicators it just doesn'tF do anything useful, it just keeps telling me how easy it is to sign upI (which I've already done).  When I enter my username/password it takes itOF and seems happy but I can't get to a list of business issues.  Is this another Republican plot?  L Does this site require that persistent cookies be enabled?  If so, it shouldC fail gracefully.  Or, better yet, don't require persistent cookies!d  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messageS2 news:fKDf6.55$293.46434@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...7 > This just in from the Advocacy Joint Working Group...  > ]nG > The "Local Voices...Global Reach" Online Advocacy Program is ready too invite > CompaqI > users to begin voting for the Compaq business issues they feel are mostE > important to them. > G > The Compaq Business Issues Prioritization Ballot will be available atoD > http://www.CompaqWorkingGroup.org from 5 February through 5 March. BecausenK > this is a critical step in the online advocacy process, we need your helpd' > now more than ever... so please vote.e > L > Being one who attempts to practice what he preaches, I wandered on over toF > the Web site and registered to vote (took less than two minutes, and nobodyE > tried to deny my access to the polls!). With that out of the way, It clickedhF > on "Issue Voting." A list of 23 issues was presented; I selected the maximum K > allowable (six) number of issues that were near and dear to my heart* andtH > was then presented with fill-in boxes for my comments on each selected > issue. >,K > The issue selection phase gives you an opportunity to help prioritize theiJ > issues with which Compaq should be most concerned. Issues will be ranked0 > according to the number of votes they receive. >EI > The comment boxes give you a chance to speak your piece to Compaq. When H > entering comments, bear in mind that it will be far more productive toE > suggest a specific improvement than to state something of the "Your E > Marketing is Squatulent" variety. The results of the prioritizations processtG > will be scanned by the Advocacy Working Group, and those of us on the  groupnG > already *know* that CPQ's marketing could use some help. What's more, J > productive comments and comments will have more credibility with the CPQH > executives who will see the results of the voting and respond to same. >uK > So there you have it... an opportunity to get heard by Compaq. Go for it!. >n > G > *I went with, Marketing and promotion, Third-party development tools,oL > product and solution (application) portfolio, Local sales support, SupportD > for Windows NT on Alpha,  Branding or positioning of products, and	 Extremelyp > low cost Alpha systems.  >o >  >- >- > -- > Terry C. Shannon > Consultant and Publisher > Shannon Knows Compaq" > email: terryshannon@mediaone.net& > Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com >g >D   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 21:01:55 GMTf4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>1 Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORYh8 Message-ID: <7xEf6.74$293.70807@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  0 "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message) news:t7u4rfpkfir755@news.supernews.com... F > This doesn't seem to work.  I don't get any error indicators it just doesn't H > do anything useful, it just keeps telling me how easy it is to sign upK > (which I've already done).  When I enter my username/password it takes ituH > and seems happy but I can't get to a list of business issues.  Is this > another Republican plot?  J I should hope not. We Republicans are not into the redistributionism  that the Leftistae promote.   You gotta problem??? Ping me!! >oG > Does this site require that persistent cookies be enabled?  If so, itp shouldE > fail gracefully.  Or, better yet, don't require persistent cookies!Y >aA > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagel4 > news:fKDf6.55$293.46434@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...9 > > This just in from the Advocacy Joint Working Group...e > > ] I > > The "Local Voices...Global Reach" Online Advocacy Program is ready tou > invite
 > > CompaqK > > users to begin voting for the Compaq business issues they feel are mostt > > important to them. > > I > > The Compaq Business Issues Prioritization Ballot will be available ataF > > http://www.CompaqWorkingGroup.org from 5 February through 5 March.	 > Because=H > > this is a critical step in the online advocacy process, we need your help) > > now more than ever... so please vote.  > > K > > Being one who attempts to practice what he preaches, I wandered on overS toH > > the Web site and registered to vote (took less than two minutes, and > nobodyG > > tried to deny my access to the polls!). With that out of the way, I 	 > clicked3H > > on "Issue Voting." A list of 23 issues was presented; I selected the	 > maximumiI > > allowable (six) number of issues that were near and dear to my heart*n and>J > > was then presented with fill-in boxes for my comments on each selected
 > > issue. > >lI > > The issue selection phase gives you an opportunity to help prioritizeo theaL > > issues with which Compaq should be most concerned. Issues will be ranked2 > > according to the number of votes they receive. > >TK > > The comment boxes give you a chance to speak your piece to Compaq. WheneJ > > entering comments, bear in mind that it will be far more productive toG > > suggest a specific improvement than to state something of the "YourrG > > Marketing is Squatulent" variety. The results of the prioritizationn	 > processvI > > will be scanned by the Advocacy Working Group, and those of us on thee > groupoI > > already *know* that CPQ's marketing could use some help. What's more,cL > > productive comments and comments will have more credibility with the CPQJ > > executives who will see the results of the voting and respond to same. > >mI > > So there you have it... an opportunity to get heard by Compaq. Go forn it!m > >f > >oI > > *I went with, Marketing and promotion, Third-party development tools, F > > product and solution (application) portfolio, Local sales support, SupportrF > > for Windows NT on Alpha,  Branding or positioning of products, and > Extremely  > > low cost Alpha systems.6 > >@ > >. > >n > >r > > -- > > Terry C. Shannon > > Consultant and Publisher > > Shannon Knows Compaq$ > > email: terryshannon@mediaone.net( > > Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com > >a > >r >S >s   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 21:52:25 GMTm From: dalecoy@my-deja.como1 Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORYe) Message-ID: <95n7ak$k1k$1@nnrp1.deja.com>g  E I agree with John - but with a different symptom.  I tried to log in, B and it wouldn't accept my password.  So, I asked for my info to be# e-mailed to me.  Here's what I got:r  0 UserName:   (Note: This was my correct username) First Name: Dale Last Name:  Coyi	 Password:s  C Now, obviously, I was recognized - the system got my first and lastsF names correct.  But I tried the password (null), and that didn't work, either.m    8 In article <fKDf6.55$293.46434@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,7   "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:i7 > This just in from the Advocacy Joint Working Group...i > ]lG > The "Local Voices...Global Reach" Online Advocacy Program is ready toa invite > CompaqD > users to begin voting for the Compaq business issues they feel are most > important to them. >eG > The Compaq Business Issues Prioritization Ballot will be available ateD > http://www.CompaqWorkingGroup.org from 5 February through 5 March. Because F > this is a critical step in the online advocacy process, we need your help' > now more than ever... so please vote.t >vD > Being one who attempts to practice what he preaches, I wandered on over to-F > the Web site and registered to vote (took less than two minutes, and nobodyE > tried to deny my access to the polls!). With that out of the way, IE clickedlF > on "Issue Voting." A list of 23 issues was presented; I selected the maximumuG > allowable (six) number of issues that were near and dear to my heart*C andeH > was then presented with fill-in boxes for my comments on each selected > issue. >hG > The issue selection phase gives you an opportunity to help prioritizem the=C > issues with which Compaq should be most concerned. Issues will be  ranked0 > according to the number of votes they receive. >vD > The comment boxes give you a chance to speak your piece to Compaq. WhenH > entering comments, bear in mind that it will be far more productive toE > suggest a specific improvement than to state something of the "YourrE > Marketing is Squatulent" variety. The results of the prioritizationI processeG > will be scanned by the Advocacy Working Group, and those of us on the  grouptG > already *know* that CPQ's marketing could use some help. What's more, F > productive comments and comments will have more credibility with the CPQXH > executives who will see the results of the voting and respond to same. > G > So there you have it... an opportunity to get heard by Compaq. Go for  it!P > G > *I went with, Marketing and promotion, Third-party development tools,eD > product and solution (application) portfolio, Local sales support, SupportnD > for Windows NT on Alpha,  Branding or positioning of products, and	 Extremely- > low cost Alpha systems.  >, > -- > Terry C. Shannon > Consultant and Publisher > Shannon Knows Compaq" > email: terryshannon@mediaone.net& > Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com >z >i     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:29:57 GMT  From: jbecker@ui.urban.org1 Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORY ) Message-ID: <95n9go$m1e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n  F I had the same experience as Dale, initially. When I pretended I was aE new registration, I received another e-mail that included a password.rG THEN I was able to log in, cast my votes, then view the results so far.   ) In article <95n7ak$k1k$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,k   dalecoy@my-deja.com wrote:G > I agree with John - but with a different symptom.  I tried to log in, D > and it wouldn't accept my password.  So, I asked for my info to be% > e-mailed to me.  Here's what I got:  >a2 > UserName:   (Note: This was my correct username) > First Name: Dale > Last Name:  Coy- > Password:  >,E > Now, obviously, I was recognized - the system got my first and lastTH > names correct.  But I tried the password (null), and that didn't work,	 > either.m   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/) 7 Encompass ESILUG (http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/esilug/)l     Sent via Deja.como http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:49:22 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>1 Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORYe: Message-ID: <S5Gf6.146$293.133062@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  2 Try to log in as a New Person. This should work...  K <jbecker@ui.urban.org> wrote in message news:95n9go$m1e$1@nnrp1.deja.com...pH > I had the same experience as Dale, initially. When I pretended I was aG > new registration, I received another e-mail that included a password.aI > THEN I was able to log in, cast my votes, then view the results so far.  >0+ > In article <95n7ak$k1k$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,M >   dalecoy@my-deja.com wrote:I > > I agree with John - but with a different symptom.  I tried to log in,tF > > and it wouldn't accept my password.  So, I asked for my info to be' > > e-mailed to me.  Here's what I got:  > >C4 > > UserName:   (Note: This was my correct username) > > First Name: Dale > > Last Name:  Coyh
 > > Password:n > > G > > Now, obviously, I was recognized - the system got my first and last J > > names correct.  But I tried the password (null), and that didn't work, > > either.m >a > -- > Jim Becker- > The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)o9 > Encompass ESILUG (http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/esilug/)u >k >g > Sent via Deja.com2 > http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:34:47 +0000/) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>m1 Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORYe, Message-ID: <3A7F3897.98154837@infopuls.com>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:n > 7 > This just in from the Advocacy Joint Working Group...  > ],N > The "Local Voices...Global Reach" Online Advocacy Program is ready to invite > CompaqI > users to begin voting for the Compaq business issues they feel are mosti > important to them. > G > The Compaq Business Issues Prioritization Ballot will be available at=M > http://www.CompaqWorkingGroup.org from 5 February through 5 March.  BecauseaK > this is a critical step in the online advocacy process, we need your help ' > now more than ever... so please vote.e > L > Being one who attempts to practice what he preaches, I wandered on over toM > the Web site and registered to vote (took less than two minutes, and nobodyeM > tried to deny my access to the polls!). With that out of the way, I clicked N > on "Issue Voting." A list of 23 issues was presented; I selected the maximumK > allowable (six) number of issues that were near and dear to my heart* anduH > was then presented with fill-in boxes for my comments on each selected > issue. > K > The issue selection phase gives you an opportunity to help prioritize the J > issues with which Compaq should be most concerned. Issues will be ranked0 > according to the number of votes they receive. > I > The comment boxes give you a chance to speak your piece to Compaq. WhenlH > entering comments, bear in mind that it will be far more productive toE > suggest a specific improvement than to state something of the "YoureM > Marketing is Squatulent" variety. The results of the prioritization processhM > will be scanned by the Advocacy Working Group, and those of us on the grouppG > already *know* that CPQ's marketing could use some help. What's more,sJ > productive comments and comments will have more credibility with the CPQH > executives who will see the results of the voting and respond to same. > K > So there you have it... an opportunity to get heard by Compaq. Go for it!  > G > *I went with, Marketing and promotion, Third-party development tools,tL > product and solution (application) portfolio, Local sales support, SupportN > for Windows NT on Alpha,  Branding or positioning of products, and Extremely > low cost Alpha systems.a >  > -- > Terry C. Shannon > Consultant and Publisher > Shannon Knows Compaq" > email: terryshannon@mediaone.net& > Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com  < I filled in about five different suggestions a few weeks ago; when this ballot (?) started. Yesterday I received an emailo= telling me that some of my suggestions have been selected fors> the vote phase. I want to know if all who participated in that? suggestions phase received this motivating statement that *some @ of their suggestions have been selected*? I didn't check yet the= 23 items but I don't suspect to detect any of my suggestions.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 18:57:25 -0500a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t1 Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORYA, Message-ID: <3A7F3DD5.963CC4A7@videotron.ca>   dalecoy@my-deja.com wrote:E > Now, obviously, I was recognized - the system got my first and lastnH > names correct.  But I tried the password (null), and that didn't work,	 > either.t   Netcraft explains all of this:  M The site www.compaqworkinggroup.com runs Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on NT4/Windows 98    M So, people should be surprised when the thing works instead of when it fails.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 02:02:08 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>1 Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORY : Message-ID: <AWIf6.415$wL6.119738@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  6 "Christof Brass" <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message& news:3A7F3897.98154837@infopuls.com... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:o > >F9 > > This just in from the Advocacy Joint Working Group...m > > ]jI > > The "Local Voices...Global Reach" Online Advocacy Program is ready to@ invite
 > > CompaqK > > users to begin voting for the Compaq business issues they feel are mostn > > important to them. > >sI > > The Compaq Business Issues Prioritization Ballot will be available athF > > http://www.CompaqWorkingGroup.org from 5 February through 5 March. BecauseaH > > this is a critical step in the online advocacy process, we need your help) > > now more than ever... so please vote.  > >,K > > Being one who attempts to practice what he preaches, I wandered on overs toH > > the Web site and registered to vote (took less than two minutes, and nobodyG > > tried to deny my access to the polls!). With that out of the way, Ii clickedgH > > on "Issue Voting." A list of 23 issues was presented; I selected the maximumaI > > allowable (six) number of issues that were near and dear to my heart*s andtJ > > was then presented with fill-in boxes for my comments on each selected
 > > issue. > >lI > > The issue selection phase gives you an opportunity to help prioritizer theoL > > issues with which Compaq should be most concerned. Issues will be ranked2 > > according to the number of votes they receive. > > K > > The comment boxes give you a chance to speak your piece to Compaq. When J > > entering comments, bear in mind that it will be far more productive toG > > suggest a specific improvement than to state something of the "YourfG > > Marketing is Squatulent" variety. The results of the prioritizatione processeI > > will be scanned by the Advocacy Working Group, and those of us on the  group I > > already *know* that CPQ's marketing could use some help. What's more,eL > > productive comments and comments will have more credibility with the CPQJ > > executives who will see the results of the voting and respond to same. > >II > > So there you have it... an opportunity to get heard by Compaq. Go for  it!  > >nI > > *I went with, Marketing and promotion, Third-party development tools,cF > > product and solution (application) portfolio, Local sales support, SupportcF > > for Windows NT on Alpha,  Branding or positioning of products, and	 Extremelye > > low cost Alpha systems.t > >o > > -- > > Terry C. Shannon > > Consultant and Publisher > > Shannon Knows Compaq$ > > email: terryshannon@mediaone.net( > > Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com > > > I filled in about five different suggestions a few weeks ago= > when this ballot (?) started. Yesterday I received an email ? > telling me that some of my suggestions have been selected fory@ > the vote phase. I want to know if all who participated in thatA > suggestions phase received this motivating statement that *some B > of their suggestions have been selected*? I didn't check yet the? > 23 items but I don't suspect to detect any of my suggestions.     H Please try again... I got the word today that the information I provided? earlier is is invalid. If this doesn't help, you have my email.t   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 16:09:19 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)0B Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security3 Message-ID: <mNJ+8pPTm6su@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  o In article <fKDf6.55$293.46434@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:s7 > This just in from the Advocacy Joint Working Group...e > ]wN > The "Local Voices...Global Reach" Online Advocacy Program is ready to invite > CompaqI > users to begin voting for the Compaq business issues they feel are mostn > important to them. > G > The Compaq Business Issues Prioritization Ballot will be available at D > http://www.CompaqWorkingGroup.org from 5 February through 5 March.  M And to think I bothered to presubmit a topic, and even praise their web site.oM Things have changed and these people JUST DON'T GET IT with regard to browseri	 security:e  C 	      In order for this site to function properly, javascript mustr               be enabled  C               To enable javascript, please follow these directions:   = The insipid "to enable javascript" is particularly insulting. ? They discount the possibility that javascript has been disabledc
 for a reason.b   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Feb 2001 06:41:30 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>B Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security- Message-ID: <87ae80ycpx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>w  ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:m  q > In article <fKDf6.55$293.46434@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:e9 > > This just in from the Advocacy Joint Working Group...e > > ] P > > The "Local Voices...Global Reach" Online Advocacy Program is ready to invite
 > > CompaqK > > users to begin voting for the Compaq business issues they feel are mosty > > important to them. > > I > > The Compaq Business Issues Prioritization Ballot will be available atuF > > http://www.CompaqWorkingGroup.org from 5 February through 5 March. > O > And to think I bothered to presubmit a topic, and even praise their web site.iO > Things have changed and these people JUST DON'T GET IT with regard to browsere > security:i > E > 	      In order for this site to function properly, javascript mustp >               be enabled > E >               To enable javascript, please follow these directions:  > ? > The insipid "to enable javascript" is particularly insulting.CA > They discount the possibility that javascript has been disableda > for a reason.   $ And the directions for NS are WRONG.  B For more fun, go read the register... <virtual response deleted by net police division Q >p   -- z< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.k@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:06:33 GMTv4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>B Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security: Message-ID: <ZlGf6.151$293.144198@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagep' news:87ae80ycpx.fsf@prep.synonet.com... = > Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:t >aF > > In article <fKDf6.55$293.46434@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C., Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:; > > > This just in from the Advocacy Joint Working Group...o > > > ]eK > > > The "Local Voices...Global Reach" Online Advocacy Program is ready to- invite > > > CompaqH > > > users to begin voting for the Compaq business issues they feel are most > > > important to them. > > > K > > > The Compaq Business Issues Prioritization Ballot will be available at H > > > http://www.CompaqWorkingGroup.org from 5 February through 5 March. > >oK > > And to think I bothered to presubmit a topic, and even praise their webs site. I > > Things have changed and these people JUST DON'T GET IT with regard to  browsers
 > > security:s > > F > >       In order for this site to function properly, javascript must > >               be enabled > >aG > >               To enable javascript, please follow these directions:e > >eA > > The insipid "to enable javascript" is particularly insulting. C > > They discount the possibility that javascript has been disabledL > > for a reason.l >a& > And the directions for NS are WRONG. >nD > For more fun, go read the register... <virtual response deleted by > net police division Q >o  K Oh, for Heaven's sake quit whining and start using Windoze like the rest ofaJ us drones. Sorry, the bleating of the VMS-centric no longer has any impact  on the grand scheme of things...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:15:51 -0800a! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comeB Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser SecurityD Message-ID: <OF3B976860.04F26E0D-ON882569EA.007F93C4@foundation.com>  D Using Netscape 4.7 with Javascript enabled (hawk, spit) and allowingJ cookies (hawker, spiitter) and logging on as a new user, I still can't getJ in. I give the username and password, and I just get sent back to the same login page.e  G Somebody go over to the webmaster, and rough him up a bit. If they wante@ people to participate, they have to make it easy to participate.   Shanen          E Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>@k9.healthnet.com on 02/05/2001  02:41:30 PMs   Sent by:  prep@k9.healthnet.como     To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. cc:   C Subject:  Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Securityh    ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:o  D > In article <fKDf6.55$293.46434@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C., Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:9 > > This just in from the Advocacy Joint Working Group...c > > ]yI > > The "Local Voices...Global Reach" Online Advocacy Program is ready too invite
 > > CompaqK > > users to begin voting for the Compaq business issues they feel are mostl > > important to them. > >tI > > The Compaq Business Issues Prioritization Ballot will be available atoF > > http://www.CompaqWorkingGroup.org from 5 February through 5 March. >.I > And to think I bothered to presubmit a topic, and even praise their webv site.tG > Things have changed and these people JUST DON'T GET IT with regard top browserp > security:i >wG >          In order for this site to function properly, javascript musto >               be enabled >-E >               To enable javascript, please follow these directions:q > ? > The insipid "to enable javascript" is particularly insulting.oA > They discount the possibility that javascript has been disabled- > for a reason.-  $ And the directions for NS are WRONG.  B For more fun, go read the register... <virtual response deleted by net police division Q >g   --< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.i@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:43:53 +0000y) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> B Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security, Message-ID: <3A7F3AB9.5B2999AC@infopuls.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > q > In article <fKDf6.55$293.46434@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:s9 > > This just in from the Advocacy Joint Working Group...  > > ]fP > > The "Local Voices...Global Reach" Online Advocacy Program is ready to invite
 > > CompaqK > > users to begin voting for the Compaq business issues they feel are mostp > > important to them. > >uI > > The Compaq Business Issues Prioritization Ballot will be available at-F > > http://www.CompaqWorkingGroup.org from 5 February through 5 March. > O > And to think I bothered to presubmit a topic, and even praise their web site.AO > Things have changed and these people JUST DON'T GET IT with regard to browsero > security:N > L >               In order for this site to function properly, javascript must >               be enabled > E >               To enable javascript, please follow these directions:  > ? > The insipid "to enable javascript" is particularly insulting.dA > They discount the possibility that javascript has been disabledt > for a reason.   > I'm in that web business and wont blame them for doing it that= way. JavaScript is perfect for improving a lot of HTML design ? flaws. Actually HTML is abused anyway. But the UI functionality,@ sucks severely. I don't see any big deal to switch on JavaScript+ for a trusted site and switch if off later.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:13:22 -0500n2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)B Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser SecurityL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0502011913220001@user-2iveaun.dialup.mindspring.com>  W In article <3A7F3AB9.5B2999AC@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:u    @ > I'm in that web business and wont blame them for doing it that? > way. JavaScript is perfect for improving a lot of HTML design A > flaws. Actually HTML is abused anyway. But the UI functionalitytB > sucks severely. I don't see any big deal to switch on JavaScript- > for a trusted site and switch if off later.   F I don't think there IS such a thing as a trusted site in Larry's book.   -- e Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comr   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2001 00:18:59 GMTs2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)B Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security, Message-ID: <95nftj$avu@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  o In article <mNJ+8pPTm6su@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:o> >The insipid "to enable javascript" is particularly insulting.@ >They discount the possibility that javascript has been disabled >for a reason.  9 If you're looking for a really tough web page to view trybH www.tru64unix.compaq.com.  I couldn't get anywhere with netscape 3.03 onJ that one, with or without javascript.  All that ever shows up is a graphicK that looks vaguely like somebody's spine ripped out and partially labeled.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech  J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:26:15 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>cB Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security, Message-ID: <3A7F4495.213DF5B3@videotron.ca>   David Mathog wrote: ; > If you're looking for a really tough web page to view trysJ > www.tru64unix.compaq.com.  I couldn't get anywhere with netscape 3.03 onL > that one, with or without javascript.  All that ever shows up is a graphicL > that looks vaguely like somebody's spine ripped out and partially labeled.  K And there are web sites that don't even work with modern browsers unlss you . have the exact right screen size and software.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 20:34:59 -0500c9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)wB Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security3 Message-ID: <mEIfAsD636W7@eisner.encompasserve.org>n   In article <rdeininger-0502011913220001@user-2iveaun.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: Y > In article <3A7F3AB9.5B2999AC@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:  >  > A >> I'm in that web business and wont blame them for doing it that @ >> way. JavaScript is perfect for improving a lot of HTML designB >> flaws. Actually HTML is abused anyway. But the UI functionalityC >> sucks severely. I don't see any big deal to switch on JavaScripte. >> for a trusted site and switch if off later. > H > I don't think there IS such a thing as a trusted site in Larry's book.   There two basic types of trust:M  # 	The author is an honorable person.u  % 	The author is technically competent.   C Now somebody not bright enough to figure out how to do it with HTML.C seems to me unlikely to be able to get the security part correct ifr( they do it with Java/Javascript/Cookies.  C Even assuming this were a "safe" site, switching the gimmick d'jourpB on and off when switching sites is not something likely to attract the largest response.d  D Keep in mind also that some of the recently documented attacks usingC these gimmicks have involved misrepresentation of the site to which  you are actually connected.    Larry Kilgallen<   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2001 19:48:25 -0700U1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett).B Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security, Message-ID: <d46I43LQn6JO@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  4 In article <mEIfAsD636W7@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ?     Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:V > ! > There two basic types of trust:r > % > 	The author is an honorable person.  > ' > 	The author is technically competent.  > E > Now somebody not bright enough to figure out how to do it with HTMLsE > seems to me unlikely to be able to get the security part correct ifw* > they do it with Java/Javascript/Cookies. >       OK, I'll admit incompetence.r  C    What *is* the correct, HTML, non Javascript way to validate user > input within a browser ( eg check that all required fields are4 filled in correctly, values are within range, etc ).  ?    Of course this can be done at the backend ( indeed must alsoiD be done there), but that provides a much less responsive environment for the user.   ;    I don't think Javascript is a "gimmick", I think it's ans< important enhancement to browsers which makes them much more@ useful tools for interacting with the customer. It's unfortunate> there are some flaws in the language which malicious sites can; exploit but that hardly seems a reason to condemn the whole 
 language.   C     At least they're not demanding you download an active-x controls to access their website :-)a  ?     OTOH anyone who's truly security conscious would never keep @ any sensitive information on their PC, or run a browser on their> VMS system, so even the most malicious Javascript shouldn't be  able to do a lot of harm :-) :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 01:38:06 -0500s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>tB Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... Give up your Browser Security, Message-ID: <3A7F9B9E.C7FFFE7C@videotron.ca>   Malcolm Dunnett wrote:E >    What *is* the correct, HTML, non Javascript way to validate userm@ > input within a browser ( eg check that all required fields are6 > filled in correctly, values are within range, etc ).  J The is a difference between adding javascript to basic HTML and relying on! javascript to run the basic page.a  L For instance, you can display a form where each field calls a javascript forL validation when the field becomes out of focus. A browser without javascriptP shoudl still function because it will still send your data (albeit unvalidated).  N However, some web developpers, wanting to impress their bosses, use javascriptK to actually write the HTML code for that page as it loads, and as a result,SM the browser misses some critical HTML when javascript is not enabled. This iswH sometimes motivated because they want to use fancy HTML that needs to beI dynamically generated based on the type of browser because the MS browseroG doesn't support the exact same stuff as other browsers (or vice versa).h  = >    I don't think Javascript is a "gimmick", I think it's ang> > important enhancement to browsers which makes them much more1 > useful tools for interacting with the customer.s  + I agree. But it must be used intelligently.y   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 22:13:27 -0000& From: "Snops" <simon.maufe@virgin.net>> Subject: Wildfire/Oracle/NUMA/QBB affinity on OpenVms/Oracle73? Message-ID: <xxFf6.249$ts2.11697@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>V  K Hello, this is really an oracle oracle question, not Rdb. I've cross-posted@G to Rdb since I know many participants use Oracle Oracle. My issue is weeL installed a new bigger server, and performance went down! Once we turned offK 4 CPUs and the users were only on the remaining, the application speeed up!.B We've since discovered there is a 3 times performance penalty whenH a user's process is on 1 QBB, and the SGA is on another. Then the memoryG request goes across a bridge or L2 cache, and there seems to be seriousa problems here.  C Has anybody encountered this under VMS (I know of 2 other customers L suffering under Tru64) and especially versions of Oracle before 817 which is- more NUMA aware. We're on 7336 (don't laugh!)p  I In particular, has anybody used SET PROCESS/AFFINITY, especially in theiro BEQ_(sid).COM procedure?  I Thanks in advance, a CC copy to my mailbox would also be a fabulous help! 1 Naturally we have a call into Oracle and Compaq..    Simon Maufe/UK  % Thanks ! Simon  (simon.maufe@usa.net)    --5 -----------------------------------------------------e simon.maufe@usa.net        begin 666 Simon N Maufe.vcfa= M0D5'24XZ5D-!4D0-"E9%4E-)3TXZ,BXQ#0I..DUA=69E.U-I;6]N.TX[37(-.= M"D9..E-I;6]N($X@36%U9F4-"D]21SI344Q.97-T.T]R86-L92!$871A8F%S = M97,@4B!54PT*5$E43$4Z1&ER96-T;W)T#0I!1%([2$]-13M%3D-/1$E.1SU1w= M54]4140M4%))3E1!0DQ%.CL[,C@@5V5S=&=A=&4],$0],$%'=6ES96QE>3TPm= M1#TP03M,965D<SL[3%,R," X2$P[54L-"DQ!0D5,.TA/344[14Y#3T1)3D<]"= M455/5$5$+5!224Y404),13HR."!797-T9V%T93TP1#TP04=U:7-E;&5Y/3!$s= M/3!!/3!$/3!!3&5E9',@3%,R," X2$P],$0],$%52PT*55),.FAT=' Z+R]W = M=W<N9V5O8VET:65S+F-O;2]T:&5T<F]P:6-S+V-A8F%N82\Q,S Q#0I%34%)a= M3#M)3E1%4DY%5#IS:6UO;BYM875F94!V:7)G:6XN;F5T#0I%34%)3#M04D5&p= M.TE.5$523D54.G-I;6]N+FUA=69E0'5S82YN970-"E)%5CHR,# Q,#(P-50R  3,C$S,C=:#0I%3D0Z5D-!4D0-"@``s `s endr   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:26:53 -0500r: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>B Subject: RE: Wildfire/Oracle/NUMA/QBB affinity on OpenVms/Oracle73K Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D6DBDB3@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>    > -----Original Message------ > From: Snops [mailto:simon.maufe@virgin.net]t) > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 5:13 PM  > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comi@ > Subject: Wildfire/Oracle/NUMA/QBB affinity on OpenVms/Oracle73 > < > Hello, this is really an oracle oracle question, not Rdb.  > I've cross-postedp> > to Rdb since I know many participants use Oracle Oracle. My 
 > issue is we < > installed a new bigger server, and performance went down!  > Once we turned off7 > 4 CPUs and the users were only on the remaining, the   > application speeed up!D > We've since discovered there is a 3 times performance penalty when@ > a user's process is on 1 QBB, and the SGA is on another. Then  > the memory? > request goes across a bridge or L2 cache, and there seems to , > be serious > problems here. > E > Has anybody encountered this under VMS (I know of 2 other customersn; > suffering under Tru64) and especially versions of Oracle 1 > before 817 which ise/ > more NUMA aware. We're on 7336 (don't laugh!)o  @ Yes, we have encountered this at my site, but I don't know aboutD there being 3 times performance penalty.  We saw more like 1.5 to 2 B on some large file converts with OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1H1.  This was C nailed down to a NUMA effect, but then again we ran with 4 QBBs to fC handle other CPU load.  (ie: It was still quicker to take the NUMA V@ penalty on converts than to drop to a singular QBB with all the  other processes we had to do.)  8 > In particular, has anybody used SET PROCESS/AFFINITY,  > especially in theirt > BEQ_(sid).COM procedure?  @ We have not.  We can live with the NUMA effect for now, but willB make very good use of OpenVMS Alpha 7.3, which is to be more kind  on a Wildfire.  t :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. - a part of LEXIS Publishing   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:25:52 -0500w: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>0 Subject: RE: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount?K Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D6DBDA8@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>o   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Christof Brass [mailto:brass@infopuls.com]) > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 6:30 PMt > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.coms2 > Subject: Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount? >  > ? > > They are all on a service contract for 2 hour response overr? > > 7 by 24 by 365.  So we get fairly good care over time, evens > " >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ??????????????  ? Please excuse the abbreviation.  I have a service contract witht; Compaq for my systems for around the clock (7 days a week, .> 24 hours a day, 365 or so days a year) with a 2 hour response  time.0   :) jck     ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:12:21 GMTp3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>E Subject: Re: Xerox = Digital/ Message-ID: <3A7F0812.AB272FD1@cableinet.co.uk>a  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > J > I believe Xerox will be bought buy another big company like DEC was .... > F > The Xerox situation nowadays is similar to DEC a few years ago ! ! ! >   = Now, didn't they outsource to a certain well know cat herdinge consultancya( a whikle back? Or was that just UK only.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:12:18 -0500e2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> Subject: Re: Xerox = Digital* Message-ID: <3A7F1732.8590CC20@oracle.com>  ? rumors have been around for years.  nothing new about this one. A get a copy of the book 'dealers of lightning'.  interesting read.n  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > J > I believe Xerox will be bought buy another big company like DEC was .... > F > The Xerox situation nowadays is similar to DEC a few years ago ! ! ! >  > Who will buy ? Sun or IBM ?g > 	 > Regardso >  > FC   -- p> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:00:37 -0300u) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra Subject: Re: Xerox = DigitalL Message-ID: <OF0173A468.F9A27348-ON032569EA.006DA36E@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   I suggestedp  E IBM -> It is the main concurrent of Xerox in the high volume printinge business....  4 Sun -> The Xerox networked printers work with a Sun.  K Dont forget that Xerox has the PARC laboratories.... if I remember Ethernet  was developed there ..... ' Xerox is a technology company too ! ! !f  A And both companies Sun/IBM  want to improve the services of their 4 respective business...an Xerox has much to offer ...   Regardsv   FC        C young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) em 05/02/2001 16:10:12.             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt       Assunto: Re: Xerox = Digital    
 In articleA <OF6431A22D.4590ECAD-ON032569EA.0065535A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,c+ fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:  > J > I believe Xerox will be bought buy another big company like DEC was .... >0F > The Xerox situation nowadays is similar to DEC a few years ago ! ! ! >- > Who will buy ? Sun or IBM ?0 >2  F      Why would Sun or IBM be interested in a copier company?  A betterC      fit would be Kodak but they have overlapping technology.  Good7B      mergers are companies with similar technologies or synergeticJ      technologies without major overlap (i.e. AOL and Timer Warner, AOL isK      the pipeline and Time Warner is the content - gross generalization buti      you get the idea).   C      Xerox is in a bad way not unlike SGI.  SGI is in a very narrownF      field now, lacking the services, total solution (i.e. HP, IBM and/      Compaq are total solution companies), etc.                        Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:09:59 -0800r! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comg Subject: Re: Xerox = DigitalD Message-ID: <OFEFA22EA2.678CD2BD-ON882569EA.0079ABD0@foundation.com>  @ Some companies will be interested in them for their research andK development capabilities. Wasn't it Xerox PARC that came up with the basicsi of modern GUIs?s   Shanet          F young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) on 02/05/2001 10:10:12 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh cc:i   Subject:  Re: Xerox = Digitalt    
 In articleA <OF6431A22D.4590ECAD-ON032569EA.0065535A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,b+ fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:i >sJ > I believe Xerox will be bought buy another big company like DEC was .... >gF > The Xerox situation nowadays is similar to DEC a few years ago ! ! ! >u > Who will buy ? Sun or IBM ?  >'  F      Why would Sun or IBM be interested in a copier company?  A betterC      fit would be Kodak but they have overlapping technology.  Good B      mergers are companies with similar technologies or synergeticJ      technologies without major overlap (i.e. AOL and Timer Warner, AOL isK      the pipeline and Time Warner is the content - gross generalization but       you get the idea).9  C      Xerox is in a bad way not unlike SGI.  SGI is in a very narrow'F      field now, lacking the services, total solution (i.e. HP, IBM and/      Compaq are total solution companies), etc.s                       RobL   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.073 ************************  