0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 10 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 81      Contents:6 Re: !!!!! PLEASE HELP ME !!!!!! FTP between NT and VMSB Re: 64 bit systems with small memory, was: Higher sized memory for< A suggestion for easing the graphics board problems with VMS Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity  Backup Error Message Discrepancy2 RE: Compaq speaks: OpenVMS Strategy and Directions DEC and Vax items available  Error messages on VMS 7.2 3 Re: File Not Found with Pre Expired password logins 3 Re: File Not Found with Pre Expired password logins 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1  Free space ? Re: Free space ? Re: Free space ? Re: Free space ? Re: FTP between NT and VMS GS build, no config.c  Re: GS build, no config.c  Re: GS build, no config.c . How do you make a pointer to another directory2 Re: How do you make a pointer to another directory2 Re: How do you make a pointer to another directory/ Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours  Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem  Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem  Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem  Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem 7 Re: NAPTHA DOS attack, was OpenVMS x NATO (comp.os.vms) 7 Re: NAPTHA DOS attack, was OpenVMS x NATO (comp.os.vms) P Re: Not Being Published: OpenVMS and the Internet (was: Re: Not being published:P Re: Not Being Published: OpenVMS and the Internet (was: Re: Not being published:P Re: Not Being Published: OpenVMS and the Internet (was: Re: Not beingpublished: P Re: Not Being Published: OpenVMS and the Internet (was: Re: Not beingpublished:  Re: Open VMS Cloning Re: Open VMS Cloning Re: Open VMS Cloning Re: Open VMS Cloning Re: Open VMS Cloning Re: Open VMS Cloning Re: OpenVMS Success stories  Re: OpenVMS Success stories  Re: OpenVMS Success stories  OT: Apologies to Tolkien Re: OT: Apologies to Tolkien5 Re: PreExpired password accounts get "File Not Found" # Re: Question on time comparison.... ' Request for help with a file conversion + Re: Request for help with a file conversion + Re: Request for help with a file conversion  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Try this on Linux or NT/ME Re: USAGE.DAT and missing files 5 VAX/VMS 7.2 BACKUP/IMAGE behavior when a file is open 9 Re: VAX/VMS 7.2 BACKUP/IMAGE behavior when a file is open 9 Re: VAX/VMS 7.2 BACKUP/IMAGE behavior when a file is open 9 Re: VAX/VMS 7.2 BACKUP/IMAGE behavior when a file is open 3 What monitor and keyboad will work with dec3000/400 7 Re: What monitor and keyboad will work with dec3000/400 7 Re: What monitor and keyboad will work with dec3000/400 7 Re: What monitor and keyboad will work with dec3000/400  RE: Wildfire systems RE: Wildfire systems9 Re: Wildfire/Oracle/NUMA/QBB affinity on OpenVms/Oracle73  Re: Wizard page re-organization   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:13:26 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>? Subject: Re: !!!!! PLEASE HELP ME !!!!!! FTP between NT and VMS ' Message-ID: <3A845D71.70EF9714@home.nl>   M I understand from your message you want to process the file on the NT system, * so zipping and unzipping doesn't help you.J When you ftp a file from the VMS sytem to the NT box, only the records are# transfered, not the file structure. J You will get a sequential file on the NT box (NT doesn't have a file sytem9 like VMS), and you can alter that file with a NT program. H Then you can ftp this file back to the VMS system, and convert it to the& original indexed file structure again.   This is how it should be done:% analyze/rms/fdl 'myfile.dat' (on VMS) $ ftp get 'myfile.dat' (on the NT box) process 'myfile.dat' ftp put 'myfile' (> VMS)< convert /fdl='myfile.fdl' 'myfile.dat' 'myfile.dat' (on VMS)  L However keep in mind that if the record size is altered, or you get confictsN with the key definitions, the convert will not work unless you take appropiateH action in the convert command. Take a look at the convert manual if this happens.   regards,   Dirk   "news.kataweb.it" wrote:   > Hello people, B > I'm new in this newsgroup, and I've a question for all of you!!! > H > I'm trying to get some file, throug an FTP connection, from a local NT1 > workstation (my PC) to a  VAX/VMS alpha server. 8 > Everithing work well, until I try to get indexed file.L > I tryed with FTP both type (binary/ascii), when got, these files, seems to > be identical to the original. I > When the "indexed" files are restored back to the VMS ALPHA server into H > their original position, these are transfered as sequential (this is aC > problem because the VMS system is not able to use them after this  > "backup/restore"). >  > Can someone help me !!!!!  > 2 > How can I get/put these file in a correct way??? >  > The data flow is:  > I > 1) From WinNT FTP --> to ALPHA VMS and get files (to local workstation)  > 2) Local processing E > 3) From WinNT FTP --> to ALPHA VMS and put files (to remote server)  >  > Thanx in advance > 	 > REGARDS  >                     MINGUS   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 20:48:52 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>K Subject: Re: 64 bit systems with small memory, was: Higher sized memory for ' Message-ID: <3A8457B1.2729B73A@home.nl>   O This is a piece of information about the DS20 that I found on the Camintonn web  site:   M "You will also notice that  memory size has an upper bound of 4 GB; it is not N clearly stated, but my  interpretation is that at the moment, console firmware> supports no more than 4  GB and more will come in the future."  M So it seems it is not a matter of following Compaq as you suggested, but more B likely Compaq doesn't like more than 4 GB in a DS20 at the moment.N By the way, Camintonn claims they had 1GB dimms for the ES40 before Compaq had	 them ....    Regards,   Dirk   Rudolf Wingert wrote:    > Hello, >  > Dirk Munk wrotes:  >  > > Hi Rudolf, > > O > > You can put 4 GB in a DS20.  Camintonn has suitable dimms in their program. L > > This company used to be a Compaq approved supplier untill Compaq changed& > > their policy for business reasons. > L > This does not change, what I did write (16*256MB=4GB, four banks with fourI > DIMMS). First, they did not use industry standard. Second, they did use J > different standards between ES40 and DS20. Third, Compaq did not produceH > higher sized DIMMs for the DS20 --> no other vendor do it!!! Kingston,H > Camintonn and other could do it (1GB DIMM for ES40 shows it), but they! > will do it after Compaq did it.  >  > Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  6 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:17 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)- From: dmacdonald@cix.co.uk (Duncan Macdonald) E Subject: A suggestion for easing the graphics board problems with VMS C Message-ID: <memo.20010210001701.63417A@dmacdonald.compulink.co.uk>   ; At the moment VMS has a problem with PCI graphics cards in  < that it takes a lot of time to produce a driver and so very  few cards are ever supported. 6 I have a suggestion that might improve this situation 1 (though not with very high graphics performance).   ; The vast majority of graphics cards can be set to run as a  0 dumb frame buffer with a very simple memory map.= (Row x+1 is n bytes on from row x, 4 bytes per pixel (24 bit   colour + 1 unused byte).9 The start address and the increment differ for different  6 graphics cards and different resolutions, however the 5 parameters that the driver needs (start address, row  = increment, x size and y size) can be passed to it at runtime  9 meaning that only ONE driver would be needed for a large  < number of graphics cards (just like the XFree86 SVGA driver 3 can handle a large number of different card types). = An initialisation program would be needed for each card type  = but that is all it would need to be and could be a user mode  7 program. (This program would only need to set the card  = registers to get the card into the desired dumb frame buffer  7 mode and set up the parameters mentioned above for the   driver.): This would reduce the graphic driver problem for VMS (for < low-end use) to writing one driver (the tricky bit) used by < all cards and an initialisation routine (a number of POKE's)	 per card.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2001 02:54:52 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity - Message-ID: <87vgqj1ybn.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   " Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:  F > I have seen restrictions on the number of ACEs in some release notesD > somewhere, but it was an implementation constraint imposed by someD > utility or other, rather than a constraint of VMS. SYSMAN seems toF > ring a bell, but I can't find any reference to any such limit in theE > release notes currently lying around on disk, so I assume it's been  > fixed.  @ I found a but that big ACLs triggered ages ago. Well, Large ACLs; and a file lay-out that was sort of emulating an IBM PDS :)   = Iff you had a file with enought ACEs to go to the 3rd header, ; and it was under 5 or 6 otherwose empty dirs, the FCB would ; be orphaned. Still counted in the VCB, but with a ref count = of zero! Grrrr. You could not dismount the disk, and re-boots : could hang as a result. Long gone now I think, but getting: things out of the ordinary can result in you being the one@ who is the first to discover some happy combination that bites.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:14:50 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity , Message-ID: <3A8479EA.C277460A@infopuls.com>   Bill Todd wrote: > 6 > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message   [snip]  D > > Does anybody know a situation where the UNIX way in interpreting( > > these permission levels makes sense? > K > While it's been far too long since I even read about VMS ACEs to be sure, J > don't they also allow specific restrictions on more general permissions? >  > - bill  ? I don't know exactly, but I don't expect it because you *grant* < access. I don't see any way to restrict someone by adding an? ACE. Please explain your logic of thinking how you came to that  idea?    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2001 23:52:36 GMT 2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity , Message-ID: <961vs4$9m7@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  X In article <3A8479EA.C277460A@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: >Bill Todd wrote:  >>  7 >> Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message  >  >[snip]  > E >> > Does anybody know a situation where the UNIX way in interpreting ) >> > these permission levels makes sense?  >>  L >> While it's been far too long since I even read about VMS ACEs to be sure,K >> don't they also allow specific restrictions on more general permissions?  >>  	 >> - bill  > @ >I don't know exactly, but I don't expect it because you *grant*= >access. I don't see any way to restrict someone by adding an @ >ACE. Please explain your logic of thinking how you came to that >idea?  8 Here's an example from the system manager's manual 9.2.1  H   $ SET SECURITY /CLASS=VOLUME ODS5_DISK /ACL=(ID=VAX_NODE,ACCESS=NONE)   G You grant the IDENTIFIER, and the IDENTIFIER can allow or block access.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:41:41 -0500' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity ' Message-ID: <962d0i$u9$1@pyrite.mv.net>   4 Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message& news:3A8479EA.C277460A@infopuls.com... > Bill Todd wrote: > > 8 > > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message >  > [snip] > F > > > Does anybody know a situation where the UNIX way in interpreting* > > > these permission levels makes sense? > > G > > While it's been far too long since I even read about VMS ACEs to be  sure, L > > don't they also allow specific restrictions on more general permissions? > > 
 > > - bill > A > I don't know exactly, but I don't expect it because you *grant* > > access. I don't see any way to restrict someone by adding anA > ACE. Please explain your logic of thinking how you came to that  > idea?   L My point, which may be simply due to a faulty memory, was that I thought VMSJ supported 'deny' ACEs as well as 'grant' ACEs, and that a 'deny' ACE couldJ be used to curtail the scope of a 'grant' ACE (whether by virtue of coming, earlier in the scan or not, I couldn't say).   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:18:25 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity - Message-ID: <3A84C111.F1AA2152@earthlink.net>    Bill Todd wrote: > 6 > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message( > news:3A8479EA.C277460A@infopuls.com... > > Bill Todd wrote: > > > : > > > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message > > 
 > > [snip] > > H > > > > Does anybody know a situation where the UNIX way in interpreting, > > > > these permission levels makes sense? > > > I > > > While it's been far too long since I even read about VMS ACEs to be  > sure, N > > > don't they also allow specific restrictions on more general permissions? > > >  > > > - bill > > C > > I don't know exactly, but I don't expect it because you *grant* @ > > access. I don't see any way to restrict someone by adding anC > > ACE. Please explain your logic of thinking how you came to that 	 > > idea?  > N > My point, which may be simply due to a faulty memory, was that I thought VMSL > supported 'deny' ACEs as well as 'grant' ACEs, and that a 'deny' ACE couldL > be used to curtail the scope of a 'grant' ACE (whether by virtue of coming. > earlier in the scan or not, I couldn't say).    Actually, you are quite correct:   (ace_type=selector,ACCESS=NONE)    For example: (IDENTIFIER=BATCH,ACCESS=NONE) (IDENTIFIER=[*,*],ACCESS=NONE)  B Remember, however, that ACEs are processed sequentially. The firstH matching ACE determines control. The more restrictive ACEs should appear last in the ACL.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:23:01 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0902012323010001@user-2ivebcf.dialup.mindspring.com>  P In article <962d0i$u9$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:    N > My point, which may be simply due to a faulty memory, was that I thought VMSL > supported 'deny' ACEs as well as 'grant' ACEs, and that a 'deny' ACE couldL > be used to curtail the scope of a 'grant' ACE (whether by virtue of coming. > earlier in the scan or not, I couldn't say).  G Yes, ACEs can block access as well as grant it.  And the order matters.    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:59:13 -0500 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>) Subject: Backup Error Message Discrepancy 7 Message-ID: <200102091859_MC2-C4F2-DF75@compuserve.com>   7 Message text written by INTERNET:rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nzT
 >Hi Chaps,   My first post in way too long.F We run SLS. When an error is reported it gets stored as a symbol which& is then used for subsequent messaging.> Alas, a number of the Backup Error Messages get translated via f$message as NOMSG Errors. See the example below.  ? Any ideas how you can get f$message to return the correct info?y   Rob.   $ help /mess /stat=3D%X10A3800Ap  ,  OPENIN,  error opening 'file-name' as input  &   Facility:     BACKUP, Backup Utility  B   Explanation:  The Backup utility cannot open the specified input file.t  F   User Action:  Determine why the file cannot be opened and repeat the backup                 operation.    + $  write sys$output f$message("%X10A3800A")a( %BACKUP-E-NOMSG, Message number 10A3800A <r   Try:# $ SET MESSAGE:SYS$MESSAGE:SYSMGTMSG?   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2001 19:50:10 GMT.0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander); Subject: RE: Compaq speaks: OpenVMS Strategy and Directions * Message-ID: <961hli$7eo@usenet.pa.dec.com>  I The OpenVMS strategy presentation is updated usually quarterly and put upVE on the web site. It was replace last week. I do the 'save as html' too= allow folks to see it who don't want to download a 9MB file. s  M I tried a bunch of different settings with powerpoint 2000 and what i'm using K now creates the best looking pages on most any browser and screen settings.   E As for the file itself, I've been told that a smaller version will beA available soon.w  G If there are some other formats you all want these presentations in let 	 me know. s   -warren    -- uB ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.comd3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875n6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ eB ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 23:46:02 -05000 From: "Sharkonwheels" <tonym@compusourceDOT.net>$ Subject: DEC and Vax items available, Message-ID: <3R3h6.360$qd.1098041@news1.mco>  8 I have the following available, presently in S. Florida:  * (2) VaxStation 3200's, KA650, 8MB RAM each- (1) VaxStation 4000/60    16Mb RAM Runs fine.V' (1) MicroVax 3100-30 8MB RAM. Runs fine 7 (1) DECstation 3100 powers on, all I know. Rescued item 3 (1) R215F Box (1) RF-31 380MB DSSI drive, and cableE+ (1) M7516 DELQA  QBus Ethernet Adapter Card.8 (1) HP 88780A 9-Track 1600/6250bpi Tape drive, autoload,;     good shape, SCSI centronics 50-pin interface.Comes with.=     5 brand new tapes, still shrink-wrapped. Bad boy is nice,k?     but weighs about 85lbs. But, if you need a 9-track, or justw;     want one, here it is. These go for over $800 used, over !     $1200 refurb, over $1500 new.n  ? Also have console cables for  MMJ and DB9 console ports  $20/ea      More to come later  " All prices do not include shipping   Tony   tonymATcompusourceDOTnet   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:01:50 -0600-/ From: Gloria Griffith <qusgagh@am1.ericsson.se> " Subject: Error messages on VMS 7.2/ Message-ID: <3A8476DE.7AB1BFEE@am1.ericsson.se>t  & --------------5A86E8E4B172CF09A221C8FE* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitl  
 Hello All,  G I have been searching through manuals and FAQ's for the reason/solutionmE for these error message that I am getting on my VMS system but I have % not been able to track them down yet.t  : On my Alpha Server DS20E running VMS 7.2 I get this error:'  (This machine is not part of cluster )p $r8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   9-FEB-2001 16:58:27.63  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user SYSTEM on GC02BS> Event: Too Few Servers Detected from: Node LOCAL:.GC02BS DTSS,-         at: 2001-02-09-16:58:27.632-06:00Iinff         Number Detected=0,         Number Required=1 7         eventUid   C3F97DA7-FEAC-11D4-B2B8-474330324253'7         entityUid  2458844C-FA8C-11D4-83C9-AA0004000504r7         streamUid  242031AA-FA8C-11D4-83AA-AA0004000504d  F it pops up every 7 minutes or so, what is it and how do I fix whatever it is? TIA    Gloria Griffithk Ericsson VMS System Adminh 972-583-7052  & --------------5A86E8E4B172CF09A221C8FE) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitr  > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>
 Hello All,J <p>I have been searching through manuals and FAQ's for the reason/solutionI for these error message that I am getting on my VMS system but I have nota! been able to track them down yet.e= <p>On my Alpha Server DS20E running VMS 7.2 I get this error:f0 <br>&nbsp;(This machine is not part of cluster )" <br><font color="#FF0000">$</font>H <br><font color="#FF0000">%%%%%%%%%%%&nbsp; OPCOM&nbsp;&nbsp; 9-FEB-2001$ 16:58:27.63&nbsp; %%%%%%%%%%%</font>C <br><font color="#FF0000">Message from user SYSTEM on GC02BS</font> R <br><font color="#FF0000">Event: Too Few Servers Detected from: Node LOCAL:.GC02BS DTSS,</font>H <br><font color="#FF0000">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; at:( 2001-02-09-16:58:27.632-06:00Iinf</font>K <br><font color="#FF0000">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Number  Detected=0,</font>K <br><font color="#FF0000">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Numberr Required=1</font>@Y <br><font color="#FF0000">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; eventUid&nbsp;&nbsp;s+ C3F97DA7-FEAC-11D4-B2B8-474330324253</font>iT <br><font color="#FF0000">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; entityUid&nbsp;+ 2458844C-FA8C-11D4-83C9-AA0004000504</font>nT <br><font color="#FF0000">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; streamUid&nbsp;H 242031AA-FA8C-11D4-83AA-AA0004000504</font><font color="#FF0000"></font>I <p>it pops up every 7 minutes or so, what is it and how do I fix whatevero it is? <br>TIAm
 <br>&nbsp; <br>Gloria Griffithm <br>Ericsson VMS System Adminm <br>972-583-7052</html>t  ( --------------5A86E8E4B172CF09A221C8FE--   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:09:44 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i< Subject: Re: File Not Found with Pre Expired password logins, Message-ID: <3A84B0F5.AB4B9EAB@videotron.ca>   Paul Repacholi wrote:q. > Seems your SYSUAF has vanished, somewhere...  # Reasons this would not be the case:   J Without a SYSUAF.DAT, the LOGINOUT.EXE would never have found out that theN account had an expired password. Also, without SYSUAF.DAT, VMS lets anyone in.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:14:22 -0500h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> < Subject: Re: File Not Found with Pre Expired password logins, Message-ID: <3A84B20A.F573E8B5@videotron.ca>   vjthomas@my-deja.com wrote:aE > If I add any new user with the /nopwdexp flag, there is no problem.e1 > Logs in fine. So SYSUAF is still in good shape.o  N If you have a user with an unexpired account and with which youcanb login, canL you use the SET PASSWORD command succesfullyt to change the password or does$ it generate the same error message ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:25:07 +0000p) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> < Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1, Message-ID: <3A848A63.49892BFF@infopuls.com>   Robert Deininger wrote:t > Y > In article <3A834166.B78E51E6@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:r > 4 > > X11 has been supporting multiple heads for ages. > % > Well, I did say "as well as a Mac".  >  > > The problem hasr> > > always been the hardware. With the lates Xfree86 X Display> > > Server you should be able to arrange *a lot* of screens inD > > whatever fashion you like, i.e. you can build your own matrix ofD > > related screens with holes and overlapping areas. Pretty amazing! > > but for myself not necessary.h >  > Can you drag a window around between two (or more) screens?  What happens when a window is placed on 4 screens at once: 1 B&W, 1 8-bit color, 1 16-bit color, and 1 24-bit color?l >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.comt  ? Okay, the Mac offers a real convenient way of using multiple (?r? - at least two) screens. I'm not a specialist in multi-head X11t> (but hopefully will soon be) as you may have noticed because I< posted some beginners questions and got very good answers. I; read that with the new Xfree86 you should be able to define ? adjacent screens forming one big area which you can use for one > big window like e.g. a browser with a flush animation. I don't: know anything about mixture of different colour depths but> basically this isn't a problem because you can already display@ on each of these colour depths images of other colour depths. Of2 course you won't get colour on your B&W screen ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:28:54 +0000o) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>b< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1, Message-ID: <3A848B46.ED3E2EA4@infopuls.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:  > - > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:g > A > > If this is really true than I owe you something because I got D > > the information that this isn't possible from a Compaq technical; > > sales represantative (the one who told me that in Alpha 0 > > *servers* only one graphics card will work). > > > Oh, sorry. Excuse me while I pull the cover, and tell two of > the HXs they 'don't exist'...  > A > A quick fondle of DECW$PRIVATE-SERVER_SETUP.COM should have youy > smilling.n >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   :-)  :-)  > I expect an offering of the cards and the displays any moment.> The guy from the shop already sent an email telling me that he6 will send an email offering the cards and displays ...   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2001 20:47:26 -0500A9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)r< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L13 Message-ID: <Y8MC1hxbaKS7@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  X In article <3A848A63.49892BFF@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:  A > Okay, the Mac offers a real convenient way of using multiple (?s > - at least two) screens.  6 The Macintosh software will handle at least 6 screens.  F How many PCI slots are in any particular Macintosh model is a separate issue.  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:49:44 -0000/ From: "John Griffiths" <johngriffiths@ic24.net>s Subject: Free space ? , Message-ID: <wv_g6.601$uY2.12066@news2-hme0>  G Free space is shown in blocks, how do I work out the % of the full discn space of 9.1gb ? Thanks in anticipation.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:13:12 -0800n! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comu Subject: Re: Free space ?dD Message-ID: <OF7D696633.74401A7E-ON882569EE.007F5B6A@foundation.com>  J Two blocks = 1k, so 2048 blocks = 1 meg, and 2,097,152 blocks are one gig.3 The rest is left as an exercise for the student :).t   Shaneb          A John Griffiths <johngriffiths@ic24.net> on 02/09/2001 02:49:44 PMt   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr cc:e   Subject:  Free space ?    G Free space is shown in blocks, how do I work out the % of the full discE space of 9.1gb ? Thanks in anticipation.N   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:30:48 -0700x From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>e Subject: Re: Free space ?o' Message-ID: <3A848BB8.11455AB8@srv.net>-  = Do a 'show/device/full xxxx' for the drive, and it will give l: you a table. One number is 'Total Blocks', and another is : 'Free Blocks'. Since they are in the same units, a simple " division is all that is necessary.   John Griffiths wrote:7 > I > Free space is shown in blocks, how do I work out the % of the full discs > space of 9.1gb ? > Thanks in anticipation.    --  @ The people who vote do not determine the outcome of an election,6 it is the people who count the votes  -- Joseph Stalin  ? The counting isn't done, until the Democrats have won -- Algore    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:41:21 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> Subject: Re: Free space ? ( Message-ID: <9622ng$bn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>  , In article <wv_g6.601$uY2.12066@news2-hme0>,2   "John Griffiths" <johngriffiths@ic24.net> wrote:D > Free space is shown in blocks, how do I work out the % of the full disc > space of 9.1gb ? > Thanks in anticipation.d >'  3 Well, 1 block = 512 bytes. But you don't need that.u  ; Sample code (copied from my previous post on this subject):i  , $    DEV = P1 ! Use your device name for P1.& $    FREE = F$GETDVI(DEV,"FREEBLOCKS")% $    TOTAL = F$GETDVI(DEV,"MAXBLOCK")0. $    PERCENT_FULL = (TOTAL - FREE)/(TOTAL/100)   The free percentage would be  $ $    PERCENT_FREE = FREE/(TOTAL/100)  E I divide the denominator by 100 (instead of multiplying the numerator G by 100) to avoid problems with overflow that can happen with very large7G disks, i.e., disks with more than about 21.5 million blocks (approx. 11<E GB). This is algebraically equivalent to multiplying the numerator byoC 100, but will avoid the overflow problems (well, at least for disks @ smaller than approx. 2.15 billion blocks!, and in that case, theD lexical function itself would overflow!). It will cause a negligibleE amount of inaccuracy because you're dividing a huge number by 100. Iti) will work fine for monitoring disk space.'  C While your disk isn't over the 11 GB limit, the code above will not C break if you ever get such a big disk. The inaccuracy introduced by * this method is not even worth calculating. --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItD is not a valid address. Instead, use the address below, removing the long wrong part first. Thanks.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)( afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.com     Sent via Deja.comr http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 19:51:09 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)# Subject: Re: FTP between NT and VMSr7 Message-ID: <NSXg6.588$cu.2444@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>t  ^ In article <960hr8$7ho$1@serv1.albacom.net>, "news.kataweb.it" <big.muff@katamail.com> writes:  /   Article retitled to avoid the spam filters...w  G :I'm trying to get some file, throug an FTP connection, from a local NT 0 :workstation (my PC) to a  VAX/VMS alpha server.  J   Terminology: "OpenVMS Alpha" runs on an AlphaServer -- "VAX/VMS" is the K   old name for what is now called "OpenVMS VAX", and OpenVMS VAX runs only ,+   on VAX systems, and not on Alpha systems.s  7 :Everithing work well, until I try to get indexed file.-  G   zip the file using the -V option -- you may/will have to quote the -VmG   option -- and transfer the zip archive containing the indexed file.   I   Alternatively, zip a BACKUP saveset and transfer that.  (If the BACKUP oI   saveset attributes get hosed, please see the OpenVMS FAQ for a pointer c   to a tool to correct it.)h  2   Pointers to zip are included in the OpenVMS FAQ.   :Can someone help me !!!!!  H   PC systems do not have file attributes that correspond to OpenVMS fileH   attributes -- even the sequential file formats have their differences.  H :1) From WinNT FTP --> to ALPHA VMS and get files (to local workstation) :2) Local processingD :3) From WinNT FTP --> to ALPHA VMS and put files (to remote server)  H   Given the internal record structure, I will assume that no processing ,   to an indexed file is performed in the PC.  E   Alternatively, use ODBC and access the RMS file remotely.  ODBC and_G   such are discussed in the FAQ and in the OpenVMS Ask The Wizard area.x  8   The OpenVMS FAQ is available at www.openvms.compaq.com  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2001 02:56:30 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: GS build, no config.c- Message-ID: <87r9171y8x.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   = I grabbed the recently referenced version of GS the other dayk) and went to build it. But, no config.c...i  0 Anyone have a config.vms or what ever? For DECC.   TNXo -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:58:58 GMT/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>c" Subject: Re: GS build, no config.c) Message-ID: <3A8413C2.59E1200B@uiowa.edu>@   Paul Repacholi wrote:  > ? > I grabbed the recently referenced version of GS the other dayV+ > and went to build it. But, no config.c...I > 2 > Anyone have a config.vms or what ever? For DECC. >  > TNX   < 	Here is the DIFF file for the patchs Mark Berryman provided; to me for GS v6.50 to build on Alpha OpenVMS v6.2 and v7.x.t  6 	http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/gs6_50-vms.dif  A Then you must use gmake or MMK (not MMS!) with this command line:b  = $ mmk /Ignore = Warning /Descrip = [.src]openvms.mmk /Macro =a ("DECWINDOWS1_2=1")s  E (Beware of line-wraps in the above command line.)  I don't know about-" DECWindows v1.1, I only have v1.2.   Regards, Rick --  H Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2001 23:40:52 GMT-2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)" Subject: Re: GS build, no config.c, Message-ID: <961v64$9m7@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  \ In article <87r9171y8x.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: >M> >I grabbed the recently referenced version of GS the other day* >and went to build it. But, no config.c... >a  A Not sure which version that is.  I've got a full build of GS 6.013 at:M  <   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/GHOSTSCRIPT.ZIP  ; (it's 14.5 Mb!)  There's no "config.c" but it works anyway.,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edua? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech b   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:32:00 -0800s2 From: Todd Wipke <wipke@nospam.chemistry.ucsc.edu>7 Subject: How do you make a pointer to another directoryh5 Message-ID: <3A849A10.50CE@nospam.chemistry.ucsc.edu>e  ? Installing Multinet with the new file structure requires making C a directory pointer to the vax_common directory in each homogeneous @ cluster satellite node, BUT they don't describe how to do it.  IC tried copying the syscommon link in the first node's directory, butD just got an empty directory.    C Could someone email me a com file that does this or describe how toa? create a link?  Remove the nospam from my email address for thel* correct email address.  Thanks in advance. -Todd Wipke    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Feb 2001 02:13:18 GMT& From: "Rick Cadruvi" <rick@rdperf.com>; Subject: Re: How do you make a pointer to another directoryV0 Message-ID: <96283u$60n@dispatch.concentric.net>  < $ SET FILE /ENTER=[wherever]alias.dir [000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR  $ See "$ HELP SET FILE" for more help.     Rick Cadruvi...o  8 "Todd Wipke" <mailto:wipke@nospam.    > wrote in message/ news:3A849A10.50CE@nospam.chemistry.ucsc.edu... A > Installing Multinet with the new file structure requires makingCE > a directory pointer to the vax_common directory in each homogeneous1B > cluster satellite node, BUT they don't describe how to do it.  IE > tried copying the syscommon link in the first node's directory, but  > just got an empty directory. >rE > Could someone email me a com file that does this or describe how to-A > create a link?  Remove the nospam from my email address for the , > correct email address.  Thanks in advance.
 > -Todd Wipke-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:51:14 -0600s7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>n; Subject: Re: How do you make a pointer to another directoryb+ Message-ID: <3A84BAB2.D3C37D@earthlink.net>y   Rick Cadruvi wrote:r > > > $ SET FILE /ENTER=[wherever]alias.dir [000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR > & > See "$ HELP SET FILE" for more help.   Yes - that's WHAT to do.  2 What's more important, however, is the reason WHY.  C Understand, that of VMS utilities, only BACKUP and DFU know what an0H "alias" is. You can't DIRECTORY/SELECT=ALIAS, nor can you SET FILE/ENTER across devices.r  # Hhmmm... DIRECTORY/SELECT=[NO]ALIAS   H Another item for the OpenVMS wish list? (*CAUTION* - some will want this# functionality in F$SEARCH(), also.)6   -- < David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.U   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:25:02 -0800F! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com;8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild RumoursD Message-ID: <OF7A925A94.72F23F1E-ON882569EE.006A816D@foundation.com>  G I gave up caffeine for a year. I've been back on it for a while, but atnH nothing like the same levels. I've done that with less cups, rather than< less strength. 15 cups a day turned out to be a bit much....  G Incidentally, the taxation here isn't really lower. I still only get to G keep about the same percentage I did in England, all things considered.h   Shaner          A Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> on 02/09/2001 04:14:54 AMc  ) Please respond to tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.ukd   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comw cc:n  9 Subject:  Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumoursu         JF Mezei wrote:h  $ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > >,J > > WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT/KEYBOARD OFF!!!!!!!!!! Don't you dare accuse me of > > being American.......: >2J > Don't you live and work in the USA for a USA employer ? If so, you're noH > longer a brit, you're just an expat Pom slowly bute surely losing your. > heritage and being assimilated into america.  H yeah, Shane, come back here and start paying some real taxes right now !  * Anyway, I thought you'd given up caffeine.  H Tim, who has been accusued of making coffee like a psychoactive drug :-)     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk1  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of: MedAS or the BBC.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:04:22 +0000o) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>t8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours, Message-ID: <3A848586.E4DF1590@infopuls.com>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > = > In article <3A833CC6.22AEC984@infopuls.com>, Christof Brassl > <brass@infopuls.com> writes: >  > >Dean Woodward wrote:  > >>& > >> mustang@ucc.asn.au.invalid wrote: > >> >1 > >> > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:u > >> >I > >> > : Solaris is dead. SUN is going to drop it in favour of Linux. TheyC > >> > : only chance for Solaris to survive is that the open sourcenE > >> > : comunity will adopt it. What about learning Linux instead ofs > >> > : Solaris?s > >> >/ > >> > Christof - crawl back under your bridge.b4 > >> > Are you an anti-matter-troll Andrew Harrison? > >>I > >> If anyone's interested, Compaq keyboards are coffee resistant... ;-)( > > ! > >What the hell does that mean??e? > >Is there a conspiracy going on to publicly exchange messagesa> > >containing only special referings that I don't understand!? > D > Yup.  But I'm not in on the conspiracy, so I'm allowed to explain. > P > The bridge thing is a joke on the fairy-tale meaning of "troll."  In the storyH > of the Three Billy Goats Gruff (which I think English speakers know inI > translation from the Brothers Grimm), the villain is a troll that livescP > under a bridge.  [There's a whole argument about what "troll" means on Usenet,G > and it's probably derived from a particular fishing technique, so the-$ > fairy-tale meaning is just a pun.] > N > The "coffee-resistant keyboard" thing suggests that Dean was drinking coffeeH > when he read the suggestion that you were an "anti-matter-troll AndrewK > Harrison" and, caught unawares, choked or laughed or spat coffee onto his@4 > keyboard.  (He's lucky he didn't get the monitor.) >  > Hope this helps! > 	 > -- Alan  > Q > ===============================================================================s2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUO >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056lO >  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210dQ > ===============================================================================l   :-)o  > Thanks, it really did. And although I got the meaning of troll< from other messages I'm now pretty sure that it has the same< meaning as the German word "Troll" mostly used withing fairy tales.  ? Last open question: Do you have any hint about the German title : of "Three Billy Goats Gruff". I know a lot of the Brothers: Grimm's fairy tales but can't figure out the corresponding" German title. I found the story at@ http://www.sterlingtimes.co.uk/bill_goats_gruff.htm, read it and: still don't know the German title because I don't know the story.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:07:32 +0000Y) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>n8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours, Message-ID: <3A848644.6DC288B7@infopuls.com>   Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > Christof Brass wrote:  >  > > Alan Greig wrote:  > > >a > > > Christopher Smith wrote: > > > : > > > > Dylan?  Nah, that was Peter, Paul and Mary, right? > > > >i > > >aI > > > Dylan wrote it. Even seen him perform it live. Peter, Paul and Mary= > > > sing it better though :) > > > -- > > > Alan Greig > >n > > They really *sing* it ...s > = > Yeah, Dylan invented rap 20 years before Grandmaster Flash.=6 > But he could play guitar and do it at the same time. >  > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukd > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofa > MedAS or the BBC.-  @ :-) play guitar? I defined a new standard of what guitar playing9 is otherwise he wouldn't regarded as "playing guitar". Hee> established an unbeaten record: the most songs with the fewest different chords.1   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:14:23 +0000e) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>h8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours+ Message-ID: <3A8487DF.C4C5E06@infopuls.com>b  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > H > WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT/KEYBOARD OFF!!!!!!!!!! Don't you dare accuse me of > being American.......h > J > I'm English, and glad of it. Where we speak real English, the cheese hasK > more taste than cardboard, and when we have a world series we invite some  > other countries to join in.A > J > As for the coffee resistance factor, damfino. I was responding to Dean's > comment on the subject.' >  > Shane, > ? > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> on 02/08/2001 04:45:15 PMs > ? > Aren't you from the USA? We regard USamerican coffee as water $ > with a little bit of black colour.@ > BTW what has the keyboard against coffee resistance to do with  > Solaris beeing dropped by SUN?  3 Done/Done (the mouth thing and the keyboard thing):e   Hi,   & this is Christof's KEYBOARD typing ...  ? English coffee is even worse because the meals don't make it upo for it.r? You may speak real English, but unfortunately you don't *write*:? it because it can't - the writing of English is severely brokenR5 like the UNIX commands. Please fix that first ... ;-)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:23:02 -0800n! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.coms8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild RumoursD Message-ID: <OF5AF72F10.18425774-ON882569EF.0001B1ED@foundation.com>   Hmmmm, "no soup for YOU!".  H Ok, English spellings are real strange, but since they are English, theyI are at least /definitively/ strange. Being English we can decide to spellDI our words any way we wont tooh. :) And that Unix crack is even worse than  the original American crack.  G Ok, anyone who wants to continue this, let's take it off line. I'm sure C c.o.v. don't want to hear it any more than they want another Andrew  Harrison tirade.   Shanei          = Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> on 02/09/2001 04:14:23 PMe   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:o  9 Subject:  Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumourst    " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: >vH > WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT/KEYBOARD OFF!!!!!!!!!! Don't you dare accuse me of > being American.......c >,J > I'm English, and glad of it. Where we speak real English, the cheese hasK > more taste than cardboard, and when we have a world series we invite somew > other countries to join in.a >'J > As for the coffee resistance factor, damfino. I was responding to Dean's > comment on the subject.b >d > Shanei >c? > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> on 02/08/2001 04:45:15 PM  > ? > Aren't you from the USA? We regard USamerican coffee as waters$ > with a little bit of black colour.@ > BTW what has the keyboard against coffee resistance to do with  > Solaris beeing dropped by SUN?  3 Done/Done (the mouth thing and the keyboard thing):    Hi,v  & this is Christof's KEYBOARD typing ...  ? English coffee is even worse because the meals don't make it up  for it.f? You may speak real English, but unfortunately you don't *write*n? it because it can't - the writing of English is severely brokenc5 like the UNIX commands. Please fix that first ... ;-)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:52:50 -0800i! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comn( Subject: Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problemD Message-ID: <OF164D206B.75B20B85-ON882569EE.00781425@foundation.com>  G Try holding down the control key, and pressing the O key. This switcheshF output off, and can speed up operations that log a lot of stuff to theF screen that you don't care about. It can be particulary effective with	 DECterms.t   Shanet          F rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) on 02/09/2001 08:23:38 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:f  ) Subject:  Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript probleme    < In article <878znf507o.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:t >cB > > Would boosting /BYTLIM on the account make for such a dramaticC > > difference ? Or was it the overhead of /LOG which resulted in a B > > billion log lines being displayed on the screen causing such a
 > > slowdown?e >aC > Yes, it could. The humble, unix incompatible ^O can give a 3 foldL7 > speed-up if the xterm and server are on the same CPU.r  G What?  Could you translate this paragraph please?  Just what is a "^0"?eH How much do they cost?  What is the order number?  What in the world are you trying to say?!?   -- Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.come   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2001 23:43:12 GMTu2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)( Subject: Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem, Message-ID: <961vag$9m7@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  h In article <OF164D206B.75B20B85-ON882569EE.00781425@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: >oH >Try holding down the control key, and pressing the O key. This switchesG >output off, and can speed up operations that log a lot of stuff to thecG >screen that you don't care about. It can be particulary effective with 
 >DECterms.  H Except that if it blows up there's no log.  A better option for dectermsF is to drag another window on top of it once the build is running.  TheD decterm section of the screen only gets updated when you uncover theF DECterm, and this speeds things up tremendously without losing the log
 information.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduW? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech  J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:06:45 -0800c! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.coms( Subject: Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problemD Message-ID: <OFF2D93277.125456B8-ON882569EF.00003B0C@foundation.com>  H Not to be picky, but control-O doesn't cover error messages. If an errorJ occurs, the output resumes, so you only lose genuine output. I did specify# output "that you don't care about".I  K With DECterms, iconizing them or covering them works fine too, as you said. J The only drawback is that you don't know about errors until you uncover or@ restore the DECterm. With ^O you see the output resume, and knowK something's gone pear-shaped. Sometimes one trick fits, sometimes the other_5 does. You pays your money, and you takes your choice.o   Shane           F mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) on 02/09/2001 03:43:12 PM  / Please respond to mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu3   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp cc:n  ) Subject:  Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem     D In article <OF164D206B.75B20B85-ON882569EE.00781425@foundation.com>,# Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:q >.H >Try holding down the control key, and pressing the O key. This switchesG >output off, and can speed up operations that log a lot of stuff to the.G >screen that you don't care about. It can be particulary effective withb
 >DECterms.  H Except that if it blows up there's no log.  A better option for dectermsF is to drag another window on top of it once the build is running.  TheD decterm section of the screen only gets updated when you uncover theF DECterm, and this speeds things up tremendously without losing the log information.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edun> Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, CaltechJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:32:06 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o( Subject: Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem, Message-ID: <3A84B631.7520F3A6@videotron.ca>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > J > Not to be picky, but control-O doesn't cover error messages. If an errorL > occurs, the output resumes, so you only lose genuine output. I did specify% > output "that you don't care about".   N You are assuming that the "error occurs" will trigger the undoing of <CTRL-O>.H However, if the program outputs with printf statements, then nothing theH program outputs will cause output to resume. So Control-O isn't so safe.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 19:16:20 GMTa2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)@ Subject: Re: NAPTHA DOS attack, was OpenVMS x NATO (comp.os.vms)7 Message-ID: <8mXg6.582$cu.2424@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>a  e In article <Kv6DOidWfJA3mUnq1qsw8uxSdPIV@4ax.com>, David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com> writes:r  @ :...does anyone from Compaq or the TCP/IP Services group care to :respond?...  M   ...Checking on the status of OpenVMS TCP/IP Services and CERT CA-2001-21...i  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 14:36:27 -0500.0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>@ Subject: Re: NAPTHA DOS attack, was OpenVMS x NATO (comp.os.vms)2 Message-ID: <7ESEOsnJ0iOoBFW6nHkQi9=KfQu3@4ax.com>  3 On Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:17:12 +0000, andrew harrisoni! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:3   >David Beatty wrote: >> dF >>     Here a quote from Andrew Harrison (SUN) from the OpenVMS x NATO
 >> thread: >> e >> <start quote> >>  7 >> Really so where are the responses to the out-of-bando8 >> data exploits that OpenVMS was vunerable to according5 >> to Digitals own patch reports. They happened afters1 >> the last date you say there is an entry in the $ >> CERT advisories for OpenVMS 1996. >> .+ >> For some more recent ommisions how aboutfH >> CERT Advisory CA-2000-21 Denial-of-Service Vulnerabilities in TCP/IP	 >> Stacks( >> sC >> There is a response from the Tru64 team with a way of tuning the.D >> system to reduce the impact but not a peep outof the OpenVMS team >> (its just as vunerable).n >> h8 >> Incedentally there is also no response to the current9 >> BIND advisories for OpenVMS although it is by no meansr( >> certain that OpenVMS isn't vunerable. >> e< >> So before you start accusing people of bullshit you would7 >> be well advised to check that you arn't bullshitting- >> yourself :):):  >> 0 >> <end quote> >> r< >>     I've already stepped on my p***s on this one and have5 >> admitted my mistake; I misread what Andrew stated.2 >> E? >>     Andrew, I'm curious to know why you think Digital TCP/IPy? >> Services is vulnerable to the NAPTHA DOS attack.  Also, doess: >> anyone from Compaq or the TCP/IP Services group care to& >> respond?  Thanks to all in advance. >> i >u9 >Its virtually the same IP stack. Tru64 and OpenVMS sharer8 >the same IP code base. In terms of advisories (properly9 >reported to CERT or otherwise reported in patch reports) @ >OpenVMS has been pretty much bug for bug compatible with Tru64 < >at least at the stack level. Oviously the IP based utilites$ >such as ftp etc will be different.  >t0 >Why would you presume that it isn't vunerable ?  @ I wouldn't presume either case; I already made that mistake onceD and will not do so again.  The fix given is specifically for Tru64, ; since it looks like these are kernel parameters that do not : have a VMS equivalent.  It would depend on how sockets are> implemented on VMS and how limits are placed on those sockets;C most likely it's done via the specified service and process quotas.a> Not being a TCP/IP Services developer I have no way of knowing	 for sure.o   >i >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 19:39:34 GMTf+ From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan)CY Subject: Re: Not Being Published: OpenVMS and the Internet (was: Re: Not being published:e4 Message-ID: <WHXg6.1297$jE2.141548@news.goodnet.com>   Hoff,eI      thanks, I had forgotten the details of the (couldn't be demise sinceeI it was never born) of OpenVMS and the Internet.  I only brought it up in mF context with the other post about the Performance book possibly being   canceled, not as a renewed rant.   Rich Jordann rjordan@mcs.nett   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 20:14:28 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)Y Subject: Re: Not Being Published: OpenVMS and the Internet (was: Re: Not being published:s7 Message-ID: <EcYg6.590$cu.2489@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>i  b In article <WHXg6.1297$jE2.141548@news.goodnet.com>, rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) writes:  K   I've passed the topic string along to the OpenVMS Engineering contact forLM   DP books, and (per a quick conversation) should have additional informationr<   to post on the performance book and on the upcoming books.   	--   I   As for writing these books, it can easily take a year or more to re-key-J   and then update a technical book, and get it into print...  Some of the H   book updates are real "slogs" through source listings, console output J   listings, OpenVMS data structures, various manuals, the distractions of 2   the job and of life outside the office :-), etc.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:32:54 GMT' From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>Y Subject: Re: Not Being Published: OpenVMS and the Internet (was: Re: Not beingpublished:  ' Message-ID: <3A846203.A93CA984@home.nl>]  : That is good news Hoff, we will look forward to this book.   We are building a VMS web site with Apache, and it is amazing what you can do.The VMS documentation CD's can be transfered to LDA devices (for speed and to free up CD-Rom players) and made available to the users through Apache. There is even a Java VT emulator we will test next week. Could be we will make Apache our standard interface for=% VMS, at least for the 'normal' users.@   But now a small question: Apache has its own user databases (if you want to use secure access). Is it possible to use the VMS authorize user database instead ?A   Regards,   Dirk   Hoff Hoffman wrote:=  d > In article <JEGg6.1243$jE2.130064@news.goodnet.com>, rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) writes:J > :Last year (or 1999) there was supposed to be a book titled "OpenVMS andG > :the Internet" from Digital Press... Amazon and a couple other placesgI > :had it listed for pre-orders.  It also never came out.  Disappointing.  >lA >   The following was from a previous discussion of this topic...m > G >   As mentioned below, I am presently working on a DP book that should J >   at least (briefly) cover IP and Apache topics, as specifically relatedK >   to OpenVMS.  I do not have the space to cover either of these topics in-8 >   any detail, except as they are related to OpenVMS... > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >w >         -- > 4 > From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)L > Subject: Re: Digital Press Books (was Re: VAXCluster Principles book ....)  > Date: 06 Jun 2000 00:00:00 GMT8 > Message-ID: <8hit86$cbb$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com> > Distribution: worldd > References: <802568F0.006579EE.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com> <Icb6EcCtQbIH@eisner.decus.org> <8hgs7f$4fe$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com> <8hh5ge$1fd9$1@Mercury.mcs.net> 5 > X-Complaints-To: usenet@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com ] > X-Trace: mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com 960297030 12651 16.32.80.251 (6 Jun 2000 13:10:30 GMT)d+ > Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation@) > Reply-To: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospamu, > NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jun 2000 13:10:30 GMT > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmso > ^ > In article <8hh5ge$1fd9$1@Mercury.mcs.net>, rjordan@Mercury.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) writes:; > :>   If you have an idea for a book, contact DP directly.s > K >   If you want to propose a book, please contact the BH/DP folks directly.- >-C > :Someone already did, but BH canceled it just before publication.m8 > :"OpenVMS and the Internet", I believe, was the title. > E >   After the original discussion around the apparent cancellation ofuF >   the "OpenVMS and the Internet" book was posted, I checked directly >   with the purported author. >dJ >   The "OpenVMS and the Internet" book was apparently never even remotely >   near publication.E >iH > :I still wish they'd do a book like this (perhaps waiting on Apache toJ > :be final), but I'd love to know why the canceled it.  I had pre-ordered > :it... >eJ >   The "OpenVMS and the Internet" book was reportedly a proposal, and oneM >   that had apparently never been accepted nor scheduled (nor work started),sK >   and the author had no idea how the (withdrawn) proposal ever got to thehK >   stage where it was apparently orderable.  (I posted similar informationsF >   in response to the earlier discussion of the status of this book.) >hK >   All that said, I will be covering some of the very basic Apache-relatedgI >   stuff (eg: acquisition, basic installation and configuration) as welloH >   as some equivilent basic IP installation and configuration in the DPK >   book I am currently working on (much like the CGI coverage I had in theII >   DCL book, effectively little more than a very a basic introduction to-J >   the area), but Apache and the Internet are quite obviously huge topicsL >   -- there is no way that any book that is not specific to Apache can evenK >   begin to cover it in any detail, much less attempting to cover anythingOI >   even remotely approaching the size of a topic such as "the Internet".  >yP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:53:07 -0700t% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> Y Subject: Re: Not Being Published: OpenVMS and the Internet (was: Re: Not beingpublished: h) Message-ID: <3A8474D3.1DF7425F@rdrop.com>2   Dirk Munk wrote: >  > But now a small question: Apache has its own user databases (if you want to use secure access). Is it possible to use the VMS authorize user database instead ?B  F The latest CSWS release claims to support it- I haven't tested it yet.   <disclaimer>E About 500 people are about to tell you how dangerous that is because t? it'll pass a user's password in cleartext.  You've been warned.m
 </disclaimer>n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:10:07 -0500, From: "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@compaq.com> Subject: Re: Open VMS Cloningi* Message-ID: <961fao$5fh@usenet.pa.dec.com>  : If both disks are on the VMS system just do the following:@ I'll call the current system disk DISK1 and the other disk DISK2   $ DISMOUNT/SYSTEM DISK2i $ INIT DISK2 $ MOUNT/FOR DISK2 4 $ BACK/IMAGE/IGNORE=(INTERLOCK,NOBACKUP) DISK1 DISK2 $ DISMOUNT DISK2  G When it finishes you will have aN EXACT copy (bootable) of the originals system disk.  5 There is cloning S/W available but you don't need it.o   Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 19:21:54 GMT'8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) Subject: Re: Open VMS Cloningi7 Message-ID: <mrXg6.584$cu.2469@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>r  D In article <960etg$i17$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, yozkul@my-deja.com writes: >HiR0 >I have a Digital ALpha Server 300 /266.It has a0 >SCSI harddrive.We want to upgrade this disk.But! >We dont know to install Open VMSy  J (1) Boot your OpenVMS operating system CD-ROM and use BACKUP/IMAGE to make- an image backup of your existing system disk.    (2) Change the hardware (disk).t  M (3) Boot your OpenVMS operating system CD-ROM and use BACKUP/IMAGE to restore ) the image backup to your new system disk.M  E SHORTCUT -- If you can have BOTH disks on-line at the same time, you p2 can BACKUP/IMAGE directly from the old to the new.  G In any case, you really should have an image backup of your system diske for emergency situations.r  H HINT -- If you do not have an OpenVMS operating system CD-ROM available,6 well, shame on you! <smile>  I suggest you get a CD.  A Meanwhile, if you have a data disk with space on it, you can use eG SYS$SYSTEM:AXPVMS$PCSI_INSTALL_MIN.COM to put OpenVMS on you data disk.n4 Then boot that disk in place of the CD in steps 1-3.   --  K     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAaH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 19:38:43 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Open VMS Cloning:7 Message-ID: <7HXg6.586$cu.2444@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>.  D In article <960etg$i17$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, yozkul@my-deja.com writes:( :I have a Digital ALpha Server 300 /266.     OpenVMS version?   ..D :We want to upgrade this disk.  But We dont know to install Open VMS  H   Please acquire access to and read the available OpenVMS documentation.  E   There is a pointer to the on-line documentation in the OpenVMS FAQ,.1   and hardcopy and CD-ROM versions are available.e  "   The OpenVMS FAQ is available at:       www.openvms.compaq.com  4   The current OpenVMS documentation is available at:       www.openvms.compaq.com/doc  ?   Please start by skimming the installation and upgrade manual.o  @   As part of the upgrade, you will also want to read the release?   notes and new features manuals for the target release and ally;   intervening releases -- since I do not know which OpenVMS*;   release you are running and which you are upgrading to, I @   cannot provide specifics.  (For the available upgrade path(es)A   for particular releases, you will want to see the upgrade path -(   listings included in the OpenVMS FAQ.)  0 :We want to clone this disk to another new disk.     Typically via BACKUP...K  2 :I know some programs to cloning But this programs :support 95,98,NTC  D   OpenVMS includes a fully-functional, integrated, BACKUP utility.    D   The OpenVMS installation and upgrade manual as well as the system C   manager's essentials manual provide details on how to use BACKUP hF   as part of an OpenVMS upgrade -- there is a chapter on using BACKUP 6   in the system management essentials manual, as well.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:26:14 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o Subject: Re: Open VMS Cloning , Message-ID: <3A84B4D1.71278C0A@videotron.ca>  M OK, I know that to be pedantic, you should really backup by booting from a CDbL so that the source system disk is more or less unused. (does booting from CD use any page/swap file ?)o  F However, in practice, if you boot on the source hard drive but have no6 applications running and no users logging in,  doesn't1 BALCUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK work just as well ?d   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:21:11 -0500t2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Open VMS CloninghL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0902012321110001@user-2ivebcf.dialup.mindspring.com>  [ In article <3A84B4D1.71278C0A@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:   O > OK, I know that to be pedantic, you should really backup by booting from a CD.N > so that the source system disk is more or less unused. (does booting from CD > use any page/swap file ?)* > H > However, in practice, if you boot on the source hard drive but have no8 > applications running and no users logging in,  doesn't3 > BALCUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK work just as well ?*   I dunno.  VMS certainly has a lot of files open, and I think quite a few are written.  What if some e-mail arrives?  That will cause some writes.K  \How about putting a "minimal" VMS installation on the disk, in a separate system root?  (This is only supported on alpha, IIRC.)  If you boot the minimal VMS (which I haven't done for a while), you may get a read-only environment similar to a CD.  That would certainly be safer that a regular disk boot.  And faster than a CD boot, on most systems.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comg   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 01:19:20 -0500c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>f Subject: Re: Open VMS Cloning-, Message-ID: <3A84DD58.49849A38@videotron.ca>   Robert Deininger wrote:c > I dunno.  VMS certainly has a lot of files open, and I think quite a few are written.  What if some e-mail arrives?  That will cause some writes.   V I did specify having applications shut off. This means bringing down TCPIP and DECNET.  [ Or probably boot with P1="MIN" to ensure that VMS is booted minimally with no applications.   L So you might miss an entry on operator.log, possibly the error log. For someJ that might be a crime. But for others, that would be perfectly acceptable.  M I'd say doing the disk-diskc backup from the active system disk when you takecG precautions is safe enough that installing a CD drive and obtaining the0$ standalone CD would not be worth it.  H Obviously, if the CD drive and CD disk are available, then you have less reason not to use them.O   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 12:19:10 -0800r! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com.$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Success storiesD Message-ID: <OF5197DFCA.33195BF6-ON882569EE.006B217F@foundation.com>  K I don't know how many of you have met Sue, but she is herself infectious. IsI just hoping she gets close enough to the right people to infect them witha that attitude.   Shaneo  E P.S. Sue? In case you misread that, it's supposed to be a compliment.           E Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>@k9.healthnet.com on 02/09/2001c 07:58:44 AM    Sent by:  prep@k9.healthnet.com0     To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi cc:i  % Subject:  Re: OpenVMS Success stories     4 "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes:  J > Folks thank you for your comments. I would like to respond to an email I > received.l >nG > Yes I am aware that I am preaching to the choir. However I was taught  thatH > you take care of your family first. I also understand that you are the bestG > advocates that VMS has and I want to make sure that you have at leastd someK > new information. And like any family we will not always agree, but we are0 > fighting for the same thing.  C Can I nominate Sue for the Clue2001 award? If only her attitude wass
 infectious...    --< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:42:35 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Success stories' Message-ID: <3A846446.E17D5230@home.nl>e  
 Thanks Sue !!s  @ Keep up the good work and tell us when you have success stories. We need them badly :-))l   Regards,   Dirk   Sue Skonetski wrote:   > Dear Newsgroup,f >eN > I just wanted to make sure that you are aware that there are OpenVMS Success1 > stories available off of the OpenVMS home page.  >l? > Please be aware that this site is updated on a regular basis.c >t4 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/success-stories.html >e > Best Regards,. >t > Sued   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:04:23 -0600h7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>v$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Success stories- Message-ID: <3A84AFB7.BD4A8BE0@earthlink.net>i   Christopher Smith wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----7 > > From: Paul Repacholi [mailto:prep@prep.synonet.com], > @ > > > Yes I am aware that I am preaching to the choir. However I >  > [Sue's Clues snipped]b > = > > > new information. And like any family we will not alwayse > > agree, but we areE" > > > fighting for the same thing. > G > > Can I nominate Sue for the Clue2001 award? If only her attitude was  > > infectious...o > + > Maybe it is?  There's always that chance.   H Her attitude *IS* infectious, contagious in fact. The rest of "the 'Q'", however, seem to be immune.r   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:08:06 -0500P' From: Randy Hawley <rhawley@iquest.net>o! Subject: OT: Apologies to Tolkien * Message-ID: <3A84CCB6.BEE4AD6D@iquest.net>  ; I wrote this a few years ago, and now, what with the threade: about Gates being the Antichrist and all, it seems somehow
 spooky ;-)  + Win Three for the Elvenkings under the sky,k9 Office Ninety-Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls ofo stone,+ Win Nine-Five for mortal Men doomed to die,m) One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne, - In the land of Redmond where the shadows lie.-/ One Win to rule them all, One Win to find them.-8 One Win to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.- In the land of Redmond where the shadows lie.-   (Smile)-       Randy Hawley   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:52:43 -0800:! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com>n% Subject: Re: OT: Apologies to Tolkiens+ Message-ID: <3A84E53B.D79EB870@tmisnet.com>l  G I would really be scary if Bill decides to replace the year to just theb number One.  ala Pepsi One? Then with a small twist it would be Win One to rule them all...D   <shiver>   Cass   Randy Hawley wrote:e  = > I wrote this a few years ago, and now, what with the threads< > about Gates being the Antichrist and all, it seems somehow > spooky ;-) > - > Win Three for the Elvenkings under the sky,o; > Office Ninety-Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of  > stone,- > Win Nine-Five for mortal Men doomed to die,t+ > One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne,h/ > In the land of Redmond where the shadows lie.d1 > One Win to rule them all, One Win to find them.<: > One Win to bring them all and in the darkness bind them./ > In the land of Redmond where the shadows lie.) >e	 > (Smile)o >  >     Randy Hawley   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 19:09:40 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)> Subject: Re: PreExpired password accounts get "File Not Found"7 Message-ID: <UfXg6.581$cu.2424@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>m  F In article <95vm9i$upr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, vjthomas@my-deja.com writes: :Hopefully a simple one.* :Just installed two Alphas running VMS 7.2 :o1 :Can login as system fine. Have an 8 user licenseo0 :pak installed one each. I created a user with a. :pre-expired password. When I login as the new/ :user, enter the old password, then the new one- :twice, I get the message, :File not found , :Please try again or press (CTRL/Y) to abort  %   I'd encourage OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1.@     Common system disk?f  :   What (if any) is the setting of the SYSUAF logical name?     Restricted or Captive logins?   G   Usual cause is a missing or incorrectly specified core system file...a  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:54:06 GMTa2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: Question on time comparison....7 Message-ID: <i1Xg6.580$cu.2424@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>   d In article <C12569ED.008240F1.00@omext02.omgroup.com>, Rafael Ruiz <rafael.ruiz@omgroup.com> writes:O :Any tricks to compare the times of dir/time=(created,modified) and get the runr :time???  I   If you are tracking the activities of a single process, I'd first look nG   to use system accounting or maybe security auditing and not the file  J   timestamps, but there is insufficient context here for me to be certain +   that this approach would be possible...     N   If you want to track all accesses to the files (rather than modifications), D   one common approach involves use of the file expiration mechanism.  L   Terse questions beget terse answers.  And probably not to the question(s) J   you had intended -- please remember to provide some background, and some9   details of the OpenVMS version and platform...  Thanks!s  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:50:59 -0500+ From: "Andrew Robert" <arobert@townisp.com> 0 Subject: Request for help with a file conversion/ Message-ID: <t890kh6ig4b509@corp.supernews.com>a  I Does anyone know of a VMS application that will convert Ms Excel files toe .csv or other format types?u  , Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks, 
 Andrew Roberty Principal Systems Analyst   Massachusetts Financial Services   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:35:29 -0500l2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)4 Subject: Re: Request for help with a file conversionL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0902012235290001@user-2ivebcf.dialup.mindspring.com>  \ In article <t890kh6ig4b509@corp.supernews.com>, "Andrew Robert" <arobert@townisp.com> wrote:  K > Does anyone know of a VMS application that will convert Ms Excel files tov > .csv or other format types?a  u The only thing that likely knows how to interpret m$ excel files is m$ excel.  It should be able to export csv files.-  V Do you have excel files that are stranded on VMS, so you can't put them back in excel?   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comc   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:45:02 -060007 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>:4 Subject: Re: Request for help with a file conversion- Message-ID: <3A84B93E.FC4B65F7@earthlink.net>.   Andrew Robert wrote: > K > Does anyone know of a VMS application that will convert Ms Excel files toe > .csv or other format types?c  / Some reason why you can't use Excel to do that?d   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.D   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2001 14:51:49 -0500e9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Status of EV73 Message-ID: <GQ75cTCbCNfr@eisner.encompasserve.org>/  \ In article <87d7cr3eq5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:# > Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:o >  >> Paul Repacholi wrote: >> sF >> > I fully expect the IA-64 to outperform the EV3 on selected codes. >> -B >> EV3 ???  Gosh, that predates the first customer-available Alpha< >> machines which were all EV4 (would put it ca. 1989-1990). >> :? >> P.s. yes, I realise it was a typo, but I couldn't resist :-)a > < > yes, I realise it was a typo, but I couldn't resist :-) :) > = > You have not seen the traditional x86 performance numbers Ih> > take it? Note, I did say selected. On others, I'd expect the
 > EV3 to win.l  @ I would expect EV3 to lose big on Floating Point, because it did@ not have any. Like someone said, an internal experimental model.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2001 20:53:14 GMTr( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) Subject: Re: Status of EV70 Message-ID: <961lbq$3nn$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  3 In article <GQ75cTCbCNfr@eisner.encompasserve.org>, : Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote:. >In article <87d7cr3eq5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,/ >Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:T$ >> Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes: >>  = >> yes, I realise it was a typo, but I couldn't resist :-) :)t >> g> >> You have not seen the traditional x86 performance numbers I? >> take it? Note, I did say selected. On others, I'd expect then >> EV3 to win. >kA >I would expect EV3 to lose big on Floating Point, because it did A >not have any. Like someone said, an internal experimental model.F  B Not necessarily.  When the original IBM RT came out, I benchmarked@ it at 25% faster at floating-point than an 8 MHz 68000 that usedC emulation.  There were already 10 MHz 68010s around, and they would0D have beaten the RT handsomely, even without floating-point hardware.  ? I spent some time assuming that the RT was emulating it, before4A I proved to myself it wasn't.  It was some years before I managed.@ to find anyone who could explain just HOW hardware could be made so slow :-)   A As Intel are determined to repeat every error of 20-30 years ago,n# why should they leave that one out?q     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679a   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2001 02:08:33 +0100. From: schier@diku.dk (Finn Schiermer Andersen) Subject: Re: Status of EV7$ Message-ID: <9624ah$6g7@tyr.diku.dk>  ! Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:u   >Paul Repacholi wrote:  D >> I fully expect the IA-64 to outperform the EV3 on selected codes.  @ >EV3 ???  Gosh, that predates the first customer-available Alpha: >machines which were all EV4 (would put it ca. 1989-1990).  = >P.s. yes, I realise it was a typo, but I couldn't resist :-)d  9 Oh ?   I thought it was intended ... And pretty funny :-)h   Finn   -- -H "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned myH contempt.  He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him theH spinal cord would fully suffice."                     -- Albert EinsteinH "Inside every man a human is fighting to get out"      -- schier@diku.dk   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:23:45 -0600$ From: "del cecchi" <dcecchi@msn.com> Subject: Re: Status of EV7) Message-ID: <eUjSlAwkAHA.326@cpmsnbbsa09>C  H The real question is why a chip designed for a typewriter would have hadH floating point in the first place.  Guess the Ykt types couldn't resist.  
 del cecchi  5 "Nick Maclaren" <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message * news:961lbq$3nn$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...5 > In article <GQ75cTCbCNfr@eisner.encompasserve.org>,.< > Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote:0 > >In article <87d7cr3eq5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,1 > >Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: & > >> Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes: > >>? > >> yes, I realise it was a typo, but I couldn't resist :-) :)s > >>@ > >> You have not seen the traditional x86 performance numbers IA > >> take it? Note, I did say selected. On others, I'd expect then > >> EV3 to win. > >=C > >I would expect EV3 to lose big on Floating Point, because it didaC > >not have any. Like someone said, an internal experimental model.  >bD > Not necessarily.  When the original IBM RT came out, I benchmarkedB > it at 25% faster at floating-point than an 8 MHz 68000 that usedE > emulation.  There were already 10 MHz 68010s around, and they wouldcF > have beaten the RT handsomely, even without floating-point hardware. > A > I spent some time assuming that the RT was emulating it, beforesC > I proved to myself it wasn't.  It was some years before I managedoB > to find anyone who could explain just HOW hardware could be made
 > so slow :-)s >nC > As Intel are determined to repeat every error of 20-30 years ago,C% > why should they leave that one out?  >t >l
 > Regards, > Nick Maclaren,, > University of Cambridge Computing Service,@ > New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG, England. > Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk1 > Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679i   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:44:39 GMTI/ From: "H.W. Stockman" <stockman3@earthlink.net>l Subject: Re: Status of EV7D Message-ID: <rW1h6.3876$ZJ5.324048@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  5 "Nick Maclaren" <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote in messageg* news:961lbq$3nn$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...5 > In article <GQ75cTCbCNfr@eisner.encompasserve.org>,  [...] D > Not necessarily.  When the original IBM RT came out, I benchmarkedB > it at 25% faster at floating-point than an 8 MHz 68000 that usedE > emulation.  There were already 10 MHz 68010s around, and they wouldIF > have beaten the RT handsomely, even without floating-point hardware.  = Now you have piqued my curiosity.  Didn't the original IBM RTfG use a Nat Semi 3208x (I'm fuzzy on whether x=1 or 2) for the FPU?  That"; FPU was the choice for many 68000-based systems, before theo9 68881 came out.  I think the RT actually switched over toy" a 68881 shortly before its demise.  5 Do you really mean emulation, or do you mean basic FPpL calculation, using Motorola's software (integer instruction)  "fast floating point"2 library?  I recall benchmarks that showed an 8 MHz& 68000, with FFP, beating a 5 MHz 8087.  9 The problem, was that the 8087 was doing the calculationsi= to at least 64 bits, and was achieving a Savage accuracy test > score of about 1 part in a trillion.  The FFP library achieved: an accuracy score of 1 part in 7.  Fast, just not correct.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:29:46 -08001! From: Don Sykes <don@alphase.com>h' Subject: Re: Try this on Linux or NT/MEe+ Message-ID: <3A84452A.6EE0CBF4@alphase.com>o  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------88A834D2E915FFFB06D6DB02* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitl  K OK, ok. Some Linux boxes stay up a long time, but would you trust them with L life or death applications ? I don't think I'd trust any other OS as much as5 VMS with a 911 app. .. certainly none from Redmond WAe Don    cmremley@my-deja.com wrote:i  I > > Heh...I have a Linux system that has an uptime (as of writing) of 394aG > > days, 17 hours and 20 minutes.  That system runs multiple web sites. > > and a relational database. > >aJ > > Another of my Linux systems routinely runs 6 months at a time handlingD > > ~10,000 emails per day, primary DNS for 40+ domains, over 30 webI > > sites, multiple GBs of FTP, and HTTP proxy cacheing.  The last rebootwI > > (which kept the system from hitting a year) was accidental -- someone0 > > hit the wrong power switch.s > >eI > > VMS is certainly not the only system that can sustain serious uptime.d > >6 > > Joe5 > >1 > B > I'd be very surprised not to see Unix systems with comparable up > times. >W > Sent via Deja.coma > http://www.deja.com/  & --------------88A834D2E915FFFB06D6DB02- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;   name="don.vcf"M Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitO' Content-Description: Card for Don Sykes6  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="don.vcf"    begin:vcard  n:Sykes;Donu$ tel;cell:Available to customers only tel;fax:415-485-6895 tel;work:415-457-8532k x-mozilla-html:TRUEw org:Alpha Software Engineering8 adr:;;1380 Lincoln Ave - Suite 5;San Rafael;CA;94901;USA version:2.1  email;internet:don@alphase.com title:Owner  note:Website www.alphase.com x-mozilla-cpt:;7456g fn:Don Sykes	 end:vcard/  ( --------------88A834D2E915FFFB06D6DB02--   ------------------------------   Date: 09 Feb 2001 19:06:10 GMT! From: markdiaz@aol.com (MarkDiaz) ( Subject: Re: USAGE.DAT and missing files: Message-ID: <20010209140610.00366.00000273@ng-bd1.aol.com>  O >In article <95v8qr$joo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Edward Heller <ejheller@my-deja.com>  >writes:9 >:The system documentation does not provide a descriptionr >:of the file...  O In general, most of the data structures used by VMS can be found in one or moreCN text or macro libraries. For the usage file, the defintions are in the $USGDEFM module in SYS$LIBRARY:STARLET.MLB, SYS$LIBRARY:FORSYSDEF.TLB for FORTRAN, ando% SYS$LIBRARY:SYS$STARLET_C.TLB for C. n  < See HELP LIBRARY if this is new to you. I used, for example:+ $ LIB/LIS=*USG* SYS$LIBRARY:STARLET.MLB andS9 $ LIB/EXT=$USGDEF/OUT=USGDEF.TXT SYS$LIBRARY:STARLET.MLB.o  O The language specific libriaries usually have a structure definition, which youw+ can reference directly in your source code.   	 Mark Diaz  markdiaz@aol.com p   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:59:15 -0500 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>> Subject: VAX/VMS 7.2 BACKUP/IMAGE behavior when a file is open7 Message-ID: <200102091859_MC2-C4F2-DF76@compuserve.com>o   Message text written by Ken HoE >When doing an /IMAGE backup under VAX/VMS 7.2, if a file is open for0C write when BACKUP gets to it, does it get reliably backed up *as ito existed at that time*? <D  J         Well, yes and no.  The problem is that a large file, say 2Gb, mig= htJ take 15 minutes to backup!  If that file is being written to, what do you=  D have when you are done?  If it's a sequential file and data is beingJ written at the end you might think it's ok but I wouldn't trust it.  BACK= UPJ retrieves data IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THE BLOCKS APPEAR ON DISK.  There is=  J no guarantee that the beginning of the file is retrieved first and the en= dhF last.  If the file is fragmented it might be retrieved, worst case, in( something approximating reverse order!!!  J         If you want a file backed up with assurance that it will make sen= se" when you are done; close it first.  H         If you have an application that must be up 24x7, you have a realJ problem.  If you can shadow or mirror the disk (software or hardware RAID=  J 1) and if you can shut down the application for a couple of minutes, shut=  H it down. dismount the raid set, remount it minus one member, and back upG that member you removed.  This member had all files flushed to disk andeJ closed when you dismounted it and it is a consistant snapshot of the RAID=  $ set at the moment you dismounted it.J RAID is just about a requirement for such an application anyway otherwise=  a5 hardware failure would take you down for a few hours!d   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 01:00:26 GMTo* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>B Subject: Re: VAX/VMS 7.2 BACKUP/IMAGE behavior when a file is open) Message-ID: <9623r7$1a7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>f  7 In article <200102091859_MC2-C4F2-DF76@compuserve.com>, 5   "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote:   > Message text written by Ken HoG > >When doing an /IMAGE backup under VAX/VMS 7.2, if a file is open for E > write when BACKUP gets to it, does it get reliably backed up *as itg > existed at that time*? > <a >cG >         Well, yes and no.  The problem is that a large file, say 2Gb,y mig= > htG > take 15 minutes to backup!  If that file is being written to, what dof you= > F > have when you are done?  If it's a sequential file and data is beingE > written at the end you might think it's ok but I wouldn't trust it.w BACK=e > UPA > retrieves data IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THE BLOCKS APPEAR ON DISK. 	 There is=e >(D > no guarantee that the beginning of the file is retrieved first and the en=i > d H > last.  If the file is fragmented it might be retrieved, worst case, in* > something approximating reverse order!!! >s   I may well be wrong, but...o  D Are you sure about this? Why would BACKUP copy data in any order butG from beginning to end? The files are copied in directory order, even inrD an image backup (try BACKUP/LIST or a BACKUP/LOG restore from tape).E And once on tape, each file is in only one extent, so I can't see howaD the data would be written out of order on a tape. OTOH, I'm not sureF about a disk-to-disk image backup; I've not done too many of those andG it's kind of hard to see what's happening while it is running. But even>@ in that case, the files will be contiguous on the output volume.  D On the third hand :-), I do suppose that BACKUP might copy different@ extents asynchronously and then put them together for the output1 volume, but wouldn't that just complicate things?   G >         If you want a file backed up with assurance that it will make  sen= > se$ > when you are done; close it first.  E Agreed. I would also worry about files containing pointers to data in " other files becoming inconsistent.  E If your disk isn't in a quiescent state during the backup, and unlessrC you very good reason to believe otherwise, there is risk of gettinge) inconsistent data in the BACKUP save set.o   [raid backup method omitted]   --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItD is not a valid address. Instead, use the address below, removing the long wrong part first. Thanks.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)( afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.com     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:15:53 -0500b2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>B Subject: Re: VAX/VMS 7.2 BACKUP/IMAGE behavior when a file is open7 Message-ID: <200102092216_MC2-C4FB-A37D@compuserve.com>e  ) Message text written by "Alan E. Feldman"t >I may well be wrong, but...  D Are you sure about this? Why would BACKUP copy data in any order butG from beginning to end? The files are copied in directory order, even in D an image backup (try BACKUP/LIST or a BACKUP/LOG restore from tape).E And once on tape, each file is in only one extent, so I can't see howcD the data would be written out of order on a tape. OTOH, I'm not sureF about a disk-to-disk image backup; I've not done too many of those andG it's kind of hard to see what's happening while it is running. But event@ in that case, the files will be contiguous on the output volume.  D On the third hand :-), I do suppose that BACKUP might copy different@ extents asynchronously and then put them together for the output1 volume, but wouldn't that just complicate things?- <-  J On second thought, I'm not sure.  Since VMS V5.2, backup has opened as ma= nyG files as possible and swept the heads across the entire disk retrievinghJ blocks from all the files as it goes.  Prior to this, backup would open a=  J file and then bounce the heads all over the disk reading all the blocks o= fEJ a single file in sequential order.  If you think this must have been slow=  H you are oh so right!  The architect of backup recognized that the accessH time was the slowest element and did everythng he could to minimize headG movement.  If I were doing it, I think I would read the blocks in orderwH using several passes of the heads to get them all although, given enoughJ memory, it would be faster to read them in the order they were found and = to< sort them into sequential order before writing them to tape.  J FWIW, I wouldn't have trusted the old backup to get an consistent view of=  H an open file either.  I move something like 8Gb/hour these days but then: (slower hardware and software) it was maybe 75Mb per hour!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:17:21 -0500p2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)B Subject: Re: VAX/VMS 7.2 BACKUP/IMAGE behavior when a file is openL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0902012317220001@user-2ivebcf.dialup.mindspring.com>  k In article <200102092216_MC2-C4FB-A37D@compuserve.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote:     L > On second thought, I'm not sure.  Since VMS V5.2, backup has opened as ma= > nyI > files as possible and swept the heads across the entire disk retrievinghL > blocks from all the files as it goes.  Prior to this, backup would open a= > L > file and then bounce the heads all over the disk reading all the blocks o= > fgL > a single file in sequential order.  If you think this must have been slow= > J > you are oh so right!  The architect of backup recognized that the accessJ > time was the slowest element and did everythng he could to minimize headI > movement.  If I were doing it, I think I would read the blocks in ordereJ > using several passes of the heads to get them all although, given enoughL > memory, it would be faster to read them in the order they were found and = > to> > sort them into sequential order before writing them to tape.  I kind of doubt that backup is worrying about read order.  The files seem to be accessed in regular directory (alphabetical) order.  Backup DOES open as many files at once as possible, but I assume it lets the disk and driver worry about optimizing the ordering.  In fact, I don't see how backup could possibly have the info needed to do this.  I think it just makes sure it keeps a lot of I/Os queued to the disk, with the goal of keeping the disk utterly busy all the time.0   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com8   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 20:23:48 -0500l- From: gary prarat <g.prarat@worldnet.att.net>u< Subject: What monitor and keyboad will work with dec3000/4006 Message-ID: <017101c09300$8e1c8250$c1b64d0c@nstar.net>  ( I am about to become practicing hobbyist" (due to layoff)and am acquiring a " Dec Alpha 3000/400 running unknown' version of VMS. Can  anyone please telle# me what monitor and keyboard I need ' to use (or point me to the right faq oro web site to find out).   Thanks, Gary Praratr   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:53:17 -07003% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>-@ Subject: Re: What monitor and keyboad will work with dec3000/400A Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010209185229.00a82bc8@ntbsod.psccos.com>E  K If you have a PC, use that!  It can be your console port (serial port), and J if you buy something like Xcursions, it can be your X server, too.  Or for2 that matter, run Linux and port your display over.  ( At 06:23 PM 2/9/2001, gary prarat wrote:) >I am about to become practicing hobbyist8" >(due to layoff)and am acquiring a# >Dec Alpha 3000/400 running unknownd( >version of VMS. Can  anyone please tell$ >me what monitor and keyboard I need( >to use (or point me to the right faq or >web site to find out).e >y >Thanks, Gary Prarat   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+.I | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |tI | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  | I | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" | I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |hI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+a   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Feb 2001 02:19:18 GMT& From: "Rick Cadruvi" <rick@rdperf.com>@ Subject: Re: What monitor and keyboad will work with dec3000/4000 Message-ID: <9628f6$60c@dispatch.concentric.net>  ; Any monitor with RGB input (3 BNC connectors) that syncs on.= Green will work for the monitor.  I use an NEC Multisync 6FGp,8 and use the DIN input for my PC.  You can use Monochrome8 DEC monitors for workstations and just connect the Green
 connector.  B Any VTxx0 keyboard should work (I believe).  They are called LKxx1B I think (such as LK401).  The mouse will need to be from an VAX orC pre-PS2 Alpha Station.  Keyboards the same.  I've got extras if youw- can't find one and will pay for the shipping.b   Rick Cadruvi...n    : "gary prarat" <g.prarat@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message0 news:017101c09300$8e1c8250$c1b64d0c@nstar.net...* > I am about to become practicing hobbyist# > (due to layoff)and am acquiring a0$ > Dec Alpha 3000/400 running unknown) > version of VMS. Can  anyone please tellc% > me what monitor and keyboard I need ) > to use (or point me to the right faq orp > web site to find out). >h > Thanks, Gary Praratb >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:11:32 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)@ Subject: Re: What monitor and keyboad will work with dec3000/400L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0902012311320001@user-2ivebcf.dialup.mindspring.com>  e In article <017101c09300$8e1c8250$c1b64d0c@nstar.net>, gary prarat <g.prarat@worldnet.att.net> wrote:e  * > I am about to become practicing hobbyist$ > (due to layoff)and am acquiring a $ > Dec Alpha 3000/400 running unknown) > version of VMS. Can  anyone please tella% > me what monitor and keyboard I needW) > to use (or point me to the right faq orj > web site to find out).   The tricky part with keyboards and mice on a DEC 3000 is the adapter cable you need.  They are often lost before the system gets to the hobbyist.  Here is an example, with a picture:  C   http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1212015277n   (No, I'm not the seller.),  - Anything over $15 or so is probably too much.i  8The same keyboards that work on DEC terminals should work on the DEC 3000, as long as the connector is compatible.  (The keyboard connector on the above cable is the telephone-like modular plug.  The round plug is for the mouse.)  I think LK401 and LK411 work, but that's from memory.  I know an LK201 will work.   I don't remember the number of the mouse.  There are a few that work; I think any of the DEC mice with the round connector are ok.  I think the various graphics options all require monitors with sync-on-green; the cable has 3 BNC connectors (red, green, blue).  The most common (by far) graphics device in a DEC 3000 is the PMAGB-B, also sometimes known as "HX", which works fine with VMS.  If the machine was originally a "server", it might not have a graphics card at all.  AFAIK, the only difference between server and workstation is the name, and the graphics card.    Most or all of the older turbochannel graphics won't work with VMS. We've just been having discussions about the newer, high-end graphics options, and we don't really know if they work with current VMS, but they probably do.   As someone else pointed out, you can also use a PC/Mac/whatever with X-windows, and not put a monitor/keyboard on your DEC 3000.  But that won't work for initial configuration.   Possibly useful links:E    http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.htmlhB    http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-docs.html=    http://www6.compaq.com/alphaserver/archive/axp/dec3000.pdfR   The last is the owner's manual for the DEC 3000/600 and /700, which are almost identical to your machine (only faster).  I've seen a hardcopy of the /400 manual, and they are very close.   Turbochannel options are pretty interchangeable between all the DEC 3000 models.  The 400/600/700/500/800/900 all use the same memory, but the 300 models use different memory.n   If your system has been neglected for a while, it likely will need a firmware upgrade and a VMS upgrade.  Having a CD drive makes both of these (much) easier.     (I should probably gather up all my tidbits, pool with a couple of other folks, and make up a FAQ for turbochannel alphas and VMS.  But there's never enough time...)    -- s Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2001 19:40:15 GMT80 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) Subject: RE: Wildfire systemsn* Message-ID: <961h2v$7eo@usenet.pa.dec.com>    There is also a new white paper:  ( OpenVMS on AlphaServer GS-Series Systems( Configuration and Performance Guidelines          November 12, 2000  M  This DRAFT document provides guidelines for configuring and using OpenVMS on O  the new Compaq AlphaServer GS80/GS160/GS320 systems. It is currently a work in9A  progress, and it contains information that is subject to change.   Z http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/whitepapers/openvms-on-gs-config-and-perf/index.html   -- 2B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.comc3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:27:07 -0500e: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com> Subject: RE: Wildfire systemsTK Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D6DBDF3@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>x   > -----Original Message-----F > From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com [mailto:sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com]) > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:40 PMs > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comi > Subject: RE: Wildfire systems  > " > There is also a new white paper: > * > OpenVMS on AlphaServer GS-Series Systems* > Configuration and Performance Guidelines >  >        November 12, 2000 > ? >  This DRAFT document provides guidelines for configuring and i > using OpenVMS on> >  the new Compaq AlphaServer GS80/GS160/GS320 systems. It is  > currently a work in C >  progress, and it contains information that is subject to change.o > @ > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/whitepapers/openvms-on-g > s-config-and-perf/index.html > C >------------------------------------------------------------------27 >Warren Sander                        OpenVMS Marketing E >Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comqF >200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.com4 >Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-48757 >   My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself i. >         Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ C >------------------------------------------------------------------d  F IMHO, nice document.  It is the type of information that I was in needE of, and received in discussions in an open service call.  Nice to seeiD most of it in one place.  Great start.  Look forward to the updates.   :) jck   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:52:49 GMTa3 From: nsouto@nsw.bigpond.net.au.nospam (Nuno Souto) B Subject: Re: Wildfire/Oracle/NUMA/QBB affinity on OpenVms/Oracle73* Message-ID: <3a848e49.3919074@news-server>  C On 9 Feb 2001 12:44:24 -0500, young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Robm
 Young) wrote:i   >l4 >http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=725489146&fmt=text >i  * Ayup! Seen that one too.  Very recently...   Cheers
 Nuno Souto nsouto@bigpond.net.au.nospam2 http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/the_Den/index.html   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2001 20:20:11 GMT-0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)( Subject: Re: Wizard page re-organization* Message-ID: <961jdr$7eo@usenet.pa.dec.com>  @ I've taken the January through July 2000 atw's and put them intoM a second archive. Now there is July 1998 to December 1999 and January 2000 to 6 July 2000 archives (both with and without javascript).  & The page is now down to 140K from 250K  + The search functions will find all of them.a  J We have had a 'keyword' project going on to put every question/answer intoG different catagories (20 different ones were decided on) but before the E guy doing this over the summer got done he had to go back to school.  G At some point this will get finished and you will be able to do keyword 6 searchs and have ATW listings based on those keywords.    / IF you have any other suggestions let me know. i   -warrenI       !>Hi Folks,w |>? |>There was talk not that long ago about possibly re-organizingE= |>the ATW pages, with the possibility of not having one LARGE B |>page (which is sometimes a PITA to look at on a 56K connection).- |>Has there been any progress on this matter?  |> |>
 |>Regards, |>Dave.m   -- eB ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.com.3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875s6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ tB ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.081 ************************