0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 12 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 85      Contents:$ Re: Backup Error Message Discrepancy4 Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90? Re: CHANNELCNT question  Re: create User  Re: create User  Re: create User  Re: create User 3 Re: File Not Found with Pre Expired password logins 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 5 found some old dec (software) maybe some here want it  Re: increase CLISYMTBL > 1024  Re: increase CLISYMTBL > 1024  Re: INPUT: New TELNET features?  Re: INPUT: New TELNET features?  RE: INPUT: New TELNET features? / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours  Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem ) New debugging tool available to VMS users  Oldest computer games? RE: Oldest computer games? Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7 ( RE: Strange system hangs: 100% Interrupt TCP/IP services and IPv6 Re: TCP/IP services and IPv6 Re: TCP/IP services and IPv6 Re: TCP/IP services and IPv6 Re: VMS Margin-alized  Re: VMS Umbrella Re: VMS Umbrella/ Re: What databases are still available on vms ? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? . WKU FILESERV: Updated NETLIB023 and FTP_MIRROR  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:22:15 GMT ) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) - Subject: Re: Backup Error Message Discrepancy 0 Message-ID: <3a871e56.98469982@news.wcc.govt.nz>   Many thanks to all who replied.   F The Com files are very useful and the set message command does exactly what I want.   What a News Group!   Rob.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:32:22 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> = Subject: Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90? - Message-ID: <3A86E8C6.49E3F7B8@earthlink.net>    Jonathan McCormack wrote:  > N > One of our clients wants to stop using LAT & DECNET on their network.  Is itN > possible to disable LAT and DECNET on a Decserver 90 and use just TCP/IP for > terminal connections?   H Terminal Servers don't use DECnet. For proof, note the inablity to set aG DECnet address on the server itself. You can assign one in NCP on a VMS C host (DECnet Phase-IV); but that is entirely unnecessary and server  never sees it.  F You can use only the TCP/IP and simply disable transparent bridging onH your brouters. That will restrict any LAT broadcasts to the LAN segments  where the termianl servers live.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:52:47 -0500 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>  Subject: Re: CHANNELCNT question7 Message-ID: <200102112353_MC2-C51D-55A9@compuserve.com>   % Message text written by Brad Hamilton + >DVINCI::SY18889 $ mcr sysgen sh channelcnt I Parameter Name            Current    Default     Min.     Max.     Unit =    Dynamic I --------------            -------    -------    -------  -------   ---- =    ------- @ CHANNELCNT                   2047        127        31      2047 Channels   =    F I know, not a MicroVAX, but it works fine for me (channelcnt MAXed out for backup performance).<   J How is backup performance affected when you reduce CHANNELCNT to, say, 51= 2?  J In my experience I have rarely seen backup open anywhere near 512 files a= t  once!  =   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:50:26 -0500 ( From: Jonas Lindholm <jlindholm@rcn.com> Subject: Re: create User' Message-ID: <3A86ED02.E9E258D5@rcn.com>    Maulis Adam wrote:   >  > 4 > Cluster-wide (configuration-independent) solution: > @ > (to your login.com or begining of the user-creation procedure) > K > $       define /process SYSUAF 'f$parse("SYSUAF","SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DAT") & > $       define /process RIGHTSLIST -B >               'f$parse("RIGHTSLIST","SYS$SYSTEM:RIGHTSLIST.DAT")  M You need to define logical name RIGHTSLIST in executive mode to be effective. 7 If not the file SYS$SYSTEM:RIGHTSLIST.DAT will be used.      /Jonas Lindholm    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 00:56:51 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: create User+ Message-ID: <VA.0000029f.3a3245c6@sture.ch>   = In article <3A86ED02.E9E258D5@rcn.com>, Jonas Lindholm wrote: * > From: Jonas Lindholm <jlindholm@rcn.com> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  > Subject: Re: create User' > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:50:26 -0500  >  >  >  > Maulis Adam wrote: >  > >  > > 6 > > Cluster-wide (configuration-independent) solution: > > B > > (to your login.com or begining of the user-creation procedure) > > M > > $       define /process SYSUAF 'f$parse("SYSUAF","SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DAT") ( > > $       define /process RIGHTSLIST -D > >               'f$parse("RIGHTSLIST","SYS$SYSTEM:RIGHTSLIST.DAT") > O > You need to define logical name RIGHTSLIST in executive mode to be effective. 9 > If not the file SYS$SYSTEM:RIGHTSLIST.DAT will be used.  >  > ; Loads of room confusion here about what and what not to do.   ^ So here's an extract from the Alpha 7.2-1 sylogicals.template file. Thanks to whoever in OVMS  Engineering who did this :-)  \ Loads snipped for brevity. I recommend folks to read the whole thing. It is well documented.     $!L $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE SYSUAF                      SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DATO $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE SYSUAFALT                   SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAFALT.DAT L $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE SYSALF                      SYS$SYSTEM:SYSALF.DATP $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE RIGHTSLIST                  SYS$SYSTEM:RIGHTSLIST.DATN $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE NETPROXY                    SYS$SYSTEM:NETPROXY.DATO $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE NET$PROXY                   SYS$SYSTEM:NET$PROXY.DAT O $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE NETOBJECT                   SYS$SYSTEM:NETOBJECT.DAT T $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE NETNODE_REMOTE              SYS$SYSTEM:NETNODE_REMOTE.DATQ $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE LMF$LICENSE                 SYS$SYSTEM:LMF$LICENSE.LDB V $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE VMSMAIL_PROFILE             SYS$SYSTEM:VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATAQ $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE VMS$OBJECTS                 SYS$SYSTEM:VMS$OBJECTS.DAT W $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE VMS$AUDIT_SERVER            SYS$MANAGER:VMS$AUDIT_SERVER.DAT [ $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE VMS$PASSWORD_HISTORY        SYS$SYSTEM:VMS$PASSWORD_HISTORY.DATA _ $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY     SYS$LIBRARY:VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY.DATA U $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE NETNODE_UPDATE              SYS$MANAGER:NETNODE_UPDATE.COM Z $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE VMS$PASSWORD_POLICY         SYS$LIBRARY:VMS$PASSWORD_POLICY.EXEW $! DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE LAN$NODE_DATABASE           SYS$SYSTEM:LAN$NODE_DATABASE.DAT  $!  , Please see the entire file for full details. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 00:13:08 -0500 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: create User7 Message-ID: <200102120013_MC2-C51D-5613@compuserve.com>   & Message text written by Paul Repacholi5 >"Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.com.nospaam> writes:   C > Don't forget to SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM: before running AUTHORIZE.     NO NO NO... Don't do this, ever!  F set def to sys$common:[sysexe], never to sys$system. Unless you really WANT another sysuaf... <   G I've been setting default to SYS$SYSTEM for almost seventeen years.  It D works as long as SYSUAF.DAT lives in either SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE] orH SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] though I don't think I've ever encountered a copy in SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE].   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:27:39 -0500 - From: gary prarat <g.prarat@worldnet.att.net>  Subject: Re: create User6 Message-ID: <009201c094bd$487830a0$34984d0c@nstar.net>  . Me to. I have always set default to sys$system# and it has worked fine. Gary Prarat  ----- Original Message -----  2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> ( Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:13 AM Subject: Re: create User    & Message text written by Paul Repacholi5 >"Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.com.nospaam> writes:   C > Don't forget to SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM: before running AUTHORIZE.     NO NO NO... Don't do this, ever!  F set def to sys$common:[sysexe], never to sys$system. Unless you really WANT another sysuaf... <   G I've been setting default to SYS$SYSTEM for almost seventeen years.  It D works as long as SYSUAF.DAT lives in either SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE] orH SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] though I don't think I've ever encountered a copy in SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE].   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:52:46 -0500 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>< Subject: Re: File Not Found with Pre Expired password logins7 Message-ID: <200102112353_MC2-C51D-55A8@compuserve.com>   H         VMS V7.2 makes passwords case sensitive!  There is a logical youJ can define to turn this "feature" off.  I defined it eight months ago and=  ! forgot it.  RTFM for the details.   5 Message text written by INTERNET:vjthomas@my-deja.com  >Hopefully a simple one.3 Just installed two clustered Alphas running VMS 7.2   B Can login as system fine. Have an 8 user license pak installed oneG each. I created a user with a pre-expired password. When I login as the C new user, enter the old password, then the new one twice, I get the  message,   File not found+ Please try again or press (CTRL/Y) to abort   . Then it prompts me for the new password again.  
 Any ideas?G (I used to consider myself a 9 out 10 in VMS but haven't touched it for F about 6 years (VMS 5 was last version I worked on). It's slowly comingE back to me. VERY SLOWLY. It's frustrating trying to remember things I  used to live and breath.)<   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:36:01 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> < Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1, Message-ID: <3A86F7B1.53CD0AE5@infopuls.com>   Robert Deininger wrote:  > Y > In article <3A8524B8.33CAC0DF@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:  >  > > Larry Kilgallen wrote:< > > > The Macintosh software will handle at least 6 screens. > > > L > > > How many PCI slots are in any particular Macintosh model is a separate > > > issue. > D > > This is a strange thing. I always regarded one aspect of writingB > > software as a decision between the one and the many case (1 vs? > > n). I can't imagine how a system can work for more than one  > > (logically) and stop at 6. > W > He didn't say it stops at 6.  I guess 6 might be the most he has seen or heard about.  >  > From what I have seen on macs, the OS already knows how to handle very strange screen layouts.  I think the screens have to be logically contiguous, but I'm not even positive about that. > ( > I have seen a screen layout like this: >  > ------ > |    | > |    |  ---------- > |    |  |        | > ---------        | > |       |        | > |       |        | > |       |        | > ------------------ > n> ... with one of the screens B/W and the others color.  Rectangular windows of pretty much arbitrary size could be moved pretty much anywhere on this set of screens.  So for example, a window might be on 1, 2 or 3 of the screens at once, with an odd-shaped part of the window not drawn at all.  Each part of the window is rendered correctly for the screen it is on. > > Offhand, I don't see anything about >6 screens that would make drawing windows any more complex than this example.  So I expect it would work with more.  There might be a software limit of 16 or 256 screens.  But on any real Mac, you will run into hardware/slot/memory/power limits much sooner.  (I don't know if Mac device software is particularly adept at dealing with PCI/PCI bridges, and I doubt you'd get even 8 slots in a PCI bus without bridging.) >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.com   @ I was a certified Macintosh developer for about five years and I; was impressed about the quality of the user and programming = guidlines and the system architecture. These were much better @ than the other competitors although I don't know Atari and Amiga@ in detail from which the latter has a very good reputation about> its (her?) system architecture. A university colleague of mine9 has been an Amiga fan for years after production has been = canceled. It was very common to attach a second screen to the = first Macintosh models where the first small screen was built ? in. I expect that the screen area hasn't to be contiguous. What ? I heard from the new XFree86 Display Server the screen area can  have holes. @ The point for being able to extend the number of screens is that? even if the current HW doesn't provide enough slots there might ? be a specialised HW extension that might. And if the SW doesn't  support this you are off.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:37:11 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> < Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1, Message-ID: <3A86F7F7.C992400A@infopuls.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > Z > In article <3A8524B8.33CAC0DF@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >>] > >> In article <3A848A63.49892BFF@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:  > >>F > >> > Okay, the Mac offers a real convenient way of using multiple (? > >> > - at least two) screens.  > >>; > >> The Macintosh software will handle at least 6 screens.  > >>K > >> How many PCI slots are in any particular Macintosh model is a separate  > >> issue.  > >>S > >> ============================================================================== S > >> Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> Clusters S > >> ==============================================================================  > > D > > This is a strange thing. I always regarded one aspect of writingB > > software as a decision between the one and the many case (1 vs? > > n). I can't imagine how a system can work for more than one  > > (logically) and stop at 6. > E > What is a strange thing is that you interpreted my answer as saying @ > that the Macintosh software cannot handle more than 6 screens. > B > Whether it can or it cannot I do not know, and I did not say :-)   Okay.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:46:00 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> < Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1, Message-ID: <3A86FA08.1CAC7E85@infopuls.com>   "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:  > ( > Message text written by Christof BrassC > >This is a strange thing. I always regarded one aspect of writing @ > software as a decision between the one and the many case (1 vs= > n). I can't imagine how a system can work for more than one  > (logically) and stop at 6.> > Like my question about the limitation in the number of VMS's> > ACEs where the answers induced that there were only physicalB > limits like time needed to process the list of ACEs (but you can@ > decide if you want to spend that much time) or space needed to > store them etc.. > <  > M > You are thinking linearly.   Think interactions instead.  One graphics card J > interacts with the system.  Two graphics cards interact with each other;M > i.e. widgets moving from one to another.  I suspect that the complexity may M > be 2^N or N! (factorial).  Those of you who are mathmatically inclined will F > probably see immediately that I'm not!!  Clearly, if you just want NM > independent X-windows servers, you can buy N X-terminals or N single headedtL > workstations and drive them from a honking BIG machine.  It's not the same# > thing as an N headed workstation.e > K > I also suspect that there are issues of interrupts, memory bandwidth, PCIRK > slots, power, etc, etc, etc.  I suppose that Compaq could build a machinetH > that would handle sixteen graphics heads but who would buy such?  MostK > users find one head sufficient.  A few, probably less then one percent ofmM > all workstations, would like two.  What percentage would want, and pay for,1H > a sixteen headed workstation?  Would it make business sense to design,J > manufacture, and write sofware for a sixteen headed machine if you could > only sell five of them?e  > Okay. First I misinterpreted the answer of Larry - the Mac can> probably handle as many screens as the HW offers to attach and the memory to admin them..? The challange of the software engineer is to reduce complexity.e@ If you look at the two dimensional case which is the natural way< to go in our situation there should be a limited interaction between these screens.5 BTW the Mac doesn't use X11 and in a multi-headed X11-: configuration there is only one X Display Server per host.  > Having the ability to attache multiple screen is very helpful.> SUN supplies these systems for supervision and I know at least@ two companies one medium size using SUN the other small size but? high revenue using DEC/Compaq machines with multiple heads. Thei; point is to design your HW and SW that way that is not moret6 expensive to implement and build it than without these? abilities. I encountered and observed a lot of situations wheres@ limitations have been built-in without saving any money. I think< that good design saves a lot more money than restrictions in functionality.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 00:33:55 -0500o! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>h> Subject: found some old dec (software) maybe some here want it8 Message-ID: <jbte8tcrbub0jnuh8u84vnr9vdat5ejnks@4ax.com>  D I found a PDP-11 emulator for Dos (of all things), it's 999K in size
 (compressed).   B I also found a copy of the Spacewar binary for the PDP-1, way back when.    Anyone interested?   B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:34:46 -0600-7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>:& Subject: Re: increase CLISYMTBL > 1024- Message-ID: <3A86E956.8322880C@earthlink.net>    Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr wrote: > > > I have written a DCL hack to autoformat big DCL procedures.    Why?   -- a David J. DachteraC dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:41:25 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) & Subject: Re: increase CLISYMTBL > 10240 Message-ID: <009F77D1.F0100C34@SendSpamHere.ORG>  G In article <966m10$c1c$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr writes:nH >I have written a DCL hack to autoformat big DCL procedures. To speed upE >execution, I start reading the whole file in memory into L_'i' local E >symbols. Unfortunately, when testing the "tool" with the biggest DCL I >proc I know of, ie net$configure.com, I get an overflow (11.303 records)- >-C >Even with CLISYMTBL set to 1024, It doesn't fit. Is it possible tor+ >change (unsupportedly) this maximum value?r  G The following will double (assuming your CLISYMTBL is at 1024) your DCLe% symbol table size to 2048 -- 800(16).o   You type:  $ ANALYZE/SYSTEMo response:  SDA>  h' You type:       EVALUATE EXE$GL_CLITABLtJ response:  Hex = FFFFFFFF.8#######   Decimal = -2134823560  EXE$GL_CLITABL            SDA> ) You type:       SPAWN RUN SYS$SHARE:DELTAn' response:  OpenVMS Alpha DELTA Debugger               Exit 00000001  9            80058F80!       LDQ             R28,#X0008(SP)s  > You type:                                                  1;M response:  00000001. You type:  00010001:8#######/o% response:                    00000400 ) You type:                             800 
 response:  You type:  EXITh Response:  SDA>  You type:       EXIT Response:  $  F You didn't specify VAX or Alpha.  The above is a sample on Alpha.  TheH 8####### will be a value unique to your system.  When you have completedG the above, create a new process and it will have a symbol table size oft 2048.r    E >Of course, I know that you are going to say "use C instead", but youeI >see, I don't know C and I don't have my favorite Fortran compiler at the  >Customers'...  E I would never tell you to use 'C'; use Macro32 or Macro64 instead. ;)    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMw            tO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.u   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:36:14 GMT 3 From: Eric Dittman <dittman@narnia.int.dittman.net>e( Subject: Re: INPUT: New TELNET features?> Message-ID: <i6Hh6.2291$JN5.35289@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>  1 John Gemignani, Jr. <john@ossc.delete.net> wrote: M : I am interested in obtaining input on new features which the user communityeC : would like to see in TCP/IP Services TELNET client and/or server.u  K : For the V5.1 release, NAWS (Negotiate About Window Size) and SNDLOC (SendF1 : Location) were added to both client and server.   9 : I cannot make any commitments, but this is your chance.r  A I'd like to see the ability to add TELNET servers at other ports.  --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:16:52 -0500M2 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net>( Subject: Re: INPUT: New TELNET features?+ Message-ID: <3a8747eb$1@newsfeed.vitts.com>a   Eric-e  K     You can actually do that.  I think for V5.0 we were asked to submit topsC ten questions from each component, and I submitted how to create an=J alternate TELNET port.  As a matter of face, I had to make some changes inJ TELNET and INETACP to be able to do that.  I have to look up the reference: to find it, though, and will do so tomorrow in the office.   -John     @ "Eric Dittman" <dittman@narnia.int.dittman.net> wrote in message8 news:i6Hh6.2291$JN5.35289@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com...3 > John Gemignani, Jr. <john@ossc.delete.net> wrote:wE > : I am interested in obtaining input on new features which the user 	 communitynE > : would like to see in TCP/IP Services TELNET client and/or server.f >rG > : For the V5.1 release, NAWS (Negotiate About Window Size) and SNDLOC  (Sendk3 > : Location) were added to both client and server.- >-; > : I cannot make any commitments, but this is your chance.  >iC > I'd like to see the ability to add TELNET servers at other ports.W > -- > Eric Dittman > dittman@dittman.net0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:14:49 +1030t: From: "Barratt, Chris (FMC)" <Chris.Barratt@fmc.sa.gov.au>( Subject: RE: INPUT: New TELNET features?N Message-ID: <07103702F27FD411ACA30000F808545257C3FD@sagemshs001.fmc.sa.gov.au>  L A Telnet client that could be used through Apache (or other VMS web servers)K would be nice -presumably written in Java. I'm not sure if it fits with theaK product set, and I know there are other products out there that do it...butoJ if it came with TCP/IP services, well that'd save clients some money/time.  
 Chris Barratte Flinders Medical Centre.   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: John Gemignani, Jr. [mailto:john@ossc.DELETE.net] % > Sent: Monday, 12 February 2001 4:54i > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt& > Subject: INPUT: New TELNET features? >  > ? > I am interested in obtaining input on new features which the   > user communityC > would like to see in TCP/IP Services TELNET client and/or server.  > ? > For the V5.1 release, NAWS (Negotiate About Window Size) and o > SNDLOC (Send1 > Location) were added to both client and server.r > 9 > I cannot make any commitments, but this is your chance.e > 	 > Thanks,e > -Johne >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:26:20 +0000F) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> 8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours, Message-ID: <3A86F56C.54D4699D@infopuls.com>  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:  > ) > You mean he even beats Status Quo?  ;-)a > J > Mind you, if you write down the chord structure to something like "FortyM > Five Hundred Times" or "Roadhouse Blues" you probably get the Unix commands 1 > of the day for about the next three weeks! :-))V >  > Steve (who is a Quo fan) > M > Christof Brass (brass at infopuls dot com) wrote and quoted Tim Llewellyn :m > >>>a? > > Yeah, Dylan invented rap 20 years before Grandmaster Flash.o8 > > But he could play guitar and do it at the same time. > B > :-) play guitar? I defined a new standard of what guitar playing; > is otherwise he wouldn't regarded as "playing guitar". HeP@ > established an unbeaten record: the most songs with the fewest > different chords.<<<  = Not sure - is the noise (sorry) which Status Quo had producede= regarded as music? I don't think so and therefore wouldn't bes= able to compare them (apples and peares, you know). Of coursea; music isn't sports so the number of different chords or the 3 volume/loudness doesn't tell us much about quality.   3 I don't know the two titles you are referring to so-2 unfortunately I don't get my UNIX commands ... ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:56:21 +0000w) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>u( Subject: Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem, Message-ID: <3A86FC75.B14C45B1@infopuls.com>   John Santos wrote: > , > On Sat, 10 Feb 2001, Christof Brass wrote: > & > > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > >t
 > > [snip] > > Q > > > something's gone pear-shaped. Sometimes one trick fits, sometimes the otherr; > > > does. You pays your money, and you takes your choice.c. > >                ^                         ^. > >                |                         | > >t9 > > Is this correct English? (sorry, couldn't resist ...)w > >t > > >u > > > ShaneC > D > I just saw "The African Queen" the other day, and Humphrey Bogart,L > pretending to be English, says this to Katherine Hepburn (also pretending,F > a little more successfully, to be English.)  It's an old expression,C > but I always assumed it was American.  And, no, it is not correctE% > English (or even correct American.)n >  > --
 > John Santose > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539  @ I dare to get another teaching message of beeing off topic. Here it goes.@ Saw that movie a few years a go in a cinema which is specialised@ in old movies (don't have TV and don't like the TV's picture and= sound quality). Was a little bit disappointed about the storyp@ and unfortunately missed that statement - thanks for telling me!: We can assume that if it is an idiomatic saying than it is nevertheless correct. :-(r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:04:30 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s2 Subject: New debugging tool available to VMS users, Message-ID: <3A877CE5.A0A5527B@videotron.ca>  F OK, perhaps not specific to VMS users (as a matter of fact, VMS is not mentioned) but worth a look:   http://www.computerhammer.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 00:35:23 -0500n! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>u Subject: Oldest computer games?.8 Message-ID: <4ete8tchcrrcafh1jpcp76h1bqh94vg78m@4ax.com>  7 I found the binary for spacewar, the original pdp game.N  > I also have what I think is the world's first multi-user game,A it's an old star trek game, written around 1976-1978, it supportsnF 4 players, interactive, co-operative or fight each other, and computerA players of course.  So is this one for the archives of history ore what?I   B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:55:47 +0000-5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com>2# Subject: RE: Oldest computer games?hN Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B11B7@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  4 Keep looking, PDP Quake maybe out there somewhere :)     -----Original Message-----( From: Beyonder [mailto:beyonder@vrx.net]' Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 5:35 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma Subject: Oldest computer games?A    7 I found the binary for spacewar, the original pdp game.   > I also have what I think is the world's first multi-user game,A it's an old star trek game, written around 1976-1978, it supports F 4 players, interactive, co-operative or fight each other, and computerA players of course.  So is this one for the archives of history or0 what?    B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:55:20 +0100V* From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Status of EV7/ Message-ID: <3A870A48.4060101@brussels.sgi.com><   Rob Young wrote:  = > 	Not sure all the ins and outs... but given the investment u? > 	required surely several choices were evaluated, at the least D > 	IA64 surely was kicked about.  MIPS end of life forced the issue	F > 	(yes, MIPS is still in business but handwriting is on the wall with > 	SGIs migration to IA64)./  B Your words, not SGI's (as the roadmap extends well into 2006 at a H minimum, I don't think Tandem would have been in such a hurry). I think I Oracle's recent ports being N64 ABI ports rather than MIPS ABI ports may TH have had something to do with it, too -- N64 is, IIRC, an IRIX-only ABI. --! Alexis Cousein				System Engineerf. SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:01:45 +0100 * From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Status of EV7/ Message-ID: <3A870BC9.2090401@brussels.sgi.com>e   Paul Repacholi wrote:n  ? > And, as comp.arch reader will know, John Mashey has left SGI.   G So, what exactly are you inferring here (without asking John)? I think  G that his change of jobs has a lot to do with the fact the lifestyle he  F has to lead for several reasons wasn't the one he was leading at SGI, ) and not really a lack of passion for SGI.  --! Alexis Cousein				System Engineer . SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:04:28 +0100!* From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Status of EV7/ Message-ID: <3A870C6C.3070000@brussels.sgi.com>    Craig Ruff wrote:E  5 > In article <mmlhqm8G1MWn@eisner.encompasserve.org>,N5 > Rob Young <young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org> wrote:N > E >> 	MIPS end of life forced the issue (yes, MIPS is still in businessA@ >> 	but handwriting is on the wall with SGIs migration to IA64). >  > J > I believe MIPS does a much larger business with embedded processors than* > they ever did with SGI-branded products.  G Two different MIPSes here -- he's referring (regardless of whether you  F agree with him or not) to the MIPS R1xK design team (still working at E SGI), you're talking about MIPS, Inc., now totally spun off from SGI.    --! Alexis Cousein				System Engineer . SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:15:26 +0100N* From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Status of EV7/ Message-ID: <3A870EFE.5020907@brussels.sgi.com>l   Paul Repacholi wrote:-  E > I think they would move to IRIX and their apps on a Bigendian Alphar > in a shot.  B And what would they do if Compaq, after a few iterations of IA64, I decided on a single-CPU-family strategy (I do think that they'd want the  E things to keep on running Windows NT descendants, should they do so)?    --! Alexis Cousein				System EngineerM. SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:22:20 +0100l* From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Status of EV7/ Message-ID: <3A87109C.6010900@brussels.sgi.com>o   Douglas Siebert wrote:  - > woodacre@sgi.com (Michael Woodacre) writes:r >  > F >> Sorry to correct you Rob, but MIPS/IRIX has not reached end of lifeF >> Check out http://www.sgi.com/developers/feature/2000/irix_mips.html >  >  > $ > I especially liked this paragraph: > I > "The current MIPS CPU development roadmap, with the goal of producing aoJ > new CPU every 9-15 months, extends beyond 2006 and has MIPS CPUs running- > at more than 1GHz by 2006."  [rest deleted]c > G > Although the graph further down contradicts this, it sure sounds likeiE > SGI is relying on the MIPS embedded roadmap if they are planning onw > hitting 1GHz by 2006.   I I doubt you're right, or else a lot of people designing these are on the aD wrong payroll. Also, MIPS embedded has an entirely different focus. A Embedded computers don't require large off-chip caches, good SMP sI support, and addressability of very large memories to the same extent as h servers.   --! Alexis Cousein				System Engineero. SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:33:07 +0100t* From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Status of EV7/ Message-ID: <3A871323.8080102@brussels.sgi.com>l   Rob Young wrote:   >  > 	FUD?  Me?  I Yes, you. You're misconstruing public statements, and refusing to accept eC some of the actual authors' clarifications about intended meaning, mL although I'll grant you misconstruing statement is, indeed, "using" them ;).  4   I tried to use a public source to show that indeed@ > 	SGI is transitioning to IA64.  Didn't state when nor imply it? > 	was next week.  Eventual appears to be the order of the day.  >   D By that reasoning, we're all "dead". I suppose you regard the Alpha - architecture as inherently eternal in nature?r  '  > Guess the hope is McKinley is higher.:  > performing than R16K so folks will be interested in it.  I On some applications, even Itanium will be of interest to some -- single  G precision FFTs are interesting on these beasts, as not many processors v' have 6 GFLOPS peak in single precision.1   --! Alexis Cousein				System Engineer9. SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:57:16 +0100e* From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Status of EV7/ Message-ID: <3A8718CC.5060602@brussels.sgi.com>o   Paul Repacholi wrote:j  = > You have not seen the traditional x86 performance numbers IC> > take it? Note, I did say selected. On others, I'd expect the
 > EV3 to win.c  H Have you? Or are you extrapolating from the same report using a beta of C Windows IA64 with unknown behaviour of the software layers (or the M@ actual chip used, and what was/was not enabled by the software)?  F Note that I don't think that is that much of an issue -- with current D IA32 performance on IA32 code (compiled for P4 if it's a P4 ;) ), I I doubt anyone will want a huge Itanium if it's mainly to run IA32 code -- oH and the chip in the IA64 roadmap designed to have a stab at that market H isn't exactly going to appear Real Soon Now (not by coincidence -- they H hope IA32 will be ready for obsolescence for performance-critical codes 	 by then).9   --! Alexis Cousein				System Engineert. SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2001 22:01:48 -05002 From: young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) Subject: Re: Status of EV73 Message-ID: <hEoUk78tax1J@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3A871323.8080102@brussels.sgi.com>, Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote: >  >> C
 >> 	FUD?  Me?  > K > Yes, you. You're misconstruing public statements, and refusing to accept lE > some of the actual authors' clarifications about intended meaning, yN > although I'll grant you misconstruing statement is, indeed, "using" them ;). >   0 http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-339863.html  / 	Oh actually... that article above is one of mylC 	favorite SGI climbdowns.  Another year out and it becomes apparentW> 	that the sudden epiphany SGI had in March 1999 was due to the> 	realization that Merced/Itanium wasn't going to be a Y2K partF 	after all.  They "might have been okay if Y2K" but their strategy hadB 	to totally be revamped.  We beat this around a while ago (year?).  ? 	Prior to that , it was pretty much determined that Itanium was ( 	the future and a strong future at that:  0 http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-345539.html  
 July 29, 1999o  L "For one thing, the first 64-bit chips from Intel have been delayed until atL least mid-2000, a fact that cost SGI, according to an earlier interview withM SGI chief executive Rick Belluzzo. "We had to add a couple generations of ourr; own MIPS microprocessors, which costs us money," he said. "e  < 	Additional MIPS CPUs was something SGI *really* didn't want% 	to do as "it is costing them money."   > 	You see... we can beat this about again but the fact is there= 	is a ton of evidence to suggest MIPS for the long term isn'ta? 	something SGI wanted to do.  The slide of Itanium another fulle= 	year most likely became a hard reality for Intel's customers-> 	circa Q1 1999 ("guys, bad news... it really isn't going to beE 	a year 2000 part... more likely mid-2001, but you can roll pilots!") A 	FORCING SGI to climbdown (HP having climbed down earlier as theyu= 	are in the midst of things).  Tons of revisionist history tow 	follow.    6 >   I tried to use a public source to show that indeedA >> 	SGI is transitioning to IA64.  Didn't state when nor imply ite@ >> 	was next week.  Eventual appears to be the order of the day. >> d > F > By that reasoning, we're all "dead". I suppose you regard the Alpha / > architecture as inherently eternal in nature?s >   3 	Well... if Jesse is to be believed regarding IA64:   > http://www.alphapowered.com/presentations/lipcon_interview.pdf  C 	"We believe that HP and Intel have chosen the more difficult path,0  	and ultimately the wrong path."  A 	Maybe if the sucker ever comes out of hiding and goes productions8 	instead of "pilot" the world will truly be amazed!  Ha.    ) >  > Guess the hope is McKinley is higherw< >  > performing than R16K so folks will be interested in it. > K > On some applications, even Itanium will be of interest to some -- single hI > precision FFTs are interesting on these beasts, as not many processors v) > have 6 GFLOPS peak in single precision.u >    	Nice niche.   				Robt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:55:45 +1200r0 From: Patrick Nirmal Sharma <Patrick@fsc.com.fj>1 Subject: RE: Strange system hangs: 100% Interrupt@G Message-ID: <BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF02AD37@EXCHSVR.FSC.COM.FJ>e  I Try using the Open VMS Unicenter monitoring tool from CA.  This will helpT you get to theJ root of problem and will give a good idea as to where the bottleneck could be.d   REgards, Patrick     -----Original Message-----* From: Fred Zwarts [mailto:F.Zwarts@KVI.nl]& Sent: Friday, 9 February 2001 10:51 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com - Subject: Strange system hangs: 100% Interrupt     . We have a mixed-architecture OpenVMS cluster, . with about 20 cluster members. The VAX systems5 run OpenVMS 7.2, the Alpha members run OpenVMS 7.2-1.i1 The connections are mostly via Ethernet, only theE1 three servers (2 VAX, 1 Alpha) are connected also0 with two DSSI busses.s  / A few times per month we see one of those three 1 server nodes hanging. It has happened on both VAXl< and Alpha systems already. They then seem to be almost dead,5 but they do not leave the cluster. If they have locksd: on important files, such as the SYSUAF, also other systems: may hang, but usuallly the other systems continue more or 3 less normally. It is not possible to use SHOW USERSe9 or SHOW SYSTEM to see anything on the hanging system fromE2 another cluster member, because the command hangs.  9 With the availability manager program, we see that such aa= hanging system is using 100% CPU time on the Interrupt stack.t9 This explains why there is no other activity. The systemsT8 are connected with Cisco switches. We gather statistics 5 for these switches with the well known MRTG software.o< Here we see that during the time that the system is hanging,8 it also has a very high trafic on its Ethernet interface9 (280 kB/s for a VAX 4000-300, 1600kB/s for an AlphaServer-; 2100 4/200, with almost equal sending and receiving rates).F9 This Ethernet trafic is distributed to the other cluster I< members with a fraction which seems related to the processor( capacity of those other cluster members.  < I some cases, the system comes out of this hanging situation= after a few minutes, sometimes after a few hours, but usuallyo. we force a system crash to solve the problem. < We have sent a dump file of such a crash to Compaq, but the ; results were not clear. They said that the system was doingo7 something in a region with code related to the Multineto TCP/IP software.  > I noticed a coincidence with the time that this problem starts> and a batch job that is submitted daily. Therefore I have the = impression that the problem is related to the defragmentationw9 and file optimizing package DFG (DFO). This batch jobs ist: used to create defragmentation script for all disks in the: cluster. It removes the old scripts and then for each disk; in the cluster it schedules a defragmentation script to runp% in the early morning of the next day.i  < The system hangs do not occur when the scripts start to run,: but at the moment that the batch job is removing or adding: scripts. Not every day, but if it happens it is just after the start of the batch job. 2 The first time that I saw a system hanging in such: a state was when I started DEFRAG manually from a DECterm,/ after the upgrade from DFG version 6.2 to 6.2E.   6 What I would like to know is whether other people have7 seen similar problems and how we could further diagnose- the problem.                   F.Z.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:04:26 GMT  From: richard_maher@my-deja.com ! Subject: TCP/IP services and IPv6 ) Message-ID: <9675pl$om7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n   Hi,   D I read Hoff's note and pointers about IPv6 being supported in TCP/IP- Services for VMS V5.1 with VMS V7.3 - Thanks.    The questions I have are.   = Without being on the field test can we get $qio oriented datalF structures for sockaddr_in etc? Along the lines of Table 3-9 in TCP/IPC Services for VMS System Services and C socket programming referencer manual.t  @ Regarding programming the security features of IPv6 RFC2553 saysD something like "Under development" or "Watch this space" Does anyoneF have any more info on what effort is reqd to get encryption, verifying1 the other node (I forget what that's called) etc?n  2 Will IPv6 do away with SSL and companies like RSA?  > Will IPv6 make it easier to implement the TLS (Transport Layer: Security) features of TIP (Transaction Internet Protocol)?  E If Hunter reads this, will TCPWare et al be synchronising its release ( of IPv6 Compatible products with VMS7.3?  - And any other info at all regarding IPv6. . .n   Thanks.    Regards Richard Maherh  E PS. It was disappointing to be directed at so much (pro)Unix orientedn literature .     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:35:20 -0500.2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)% Subject: Re: TCP/IP services and IPv68L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1102011835200001@user-2ive6ee.dialup.mindspring.com>  J In article <9675pl$om7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, richard_maher@my-deja.com wrote:   > Hi,e > F > I read Hoff's note and pointers about IPv6 being supported in TCP/IP/ > Services for VMS V5.1 with VMS V7.3 - Thanks.d >  > The questions I have are.  > ? > Without being on the field test can we get $qio oriented datarH > structures for sockaddr_in etc? Along the lines of Table 3-9 in TCP/IPE > Services for VMS System Services and C socket programming reference1	 > manual.t  H I believe TCP/IP V5.1 is released already.  The media kits might even beF available.  It's not syncronized with the release schedule of VMS 7.3.  @ TCP/IP V5.1 is supposed to work with VMS 7.1 and later, I think.   -- 1 Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coml   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:11:08 -0500D2 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net>% Subject: Re: TCP/IP services and IPv6u) Message-ID: <3a874693@newsfeed.vitts.com>O  C If the kits are not available yet, then they should be any day now.o  G The programming interface for IPv6 uses the BSD 4.4 standard.  The IPv4sH address space is mapped into the IPv6 one so you can listen for IPv4 andL IPv6 addresses at the same time -- or listen for just IPv4 ones (you specify$ the address family; IPv6=IPv4+IPv6).  I There are a few other minor changes -- with $QIO you may need IO$M_EXTENDoH for some operations to indicate that you're using the BSD 4.4 interface.J With C programming this is done by #define _SOCKADDR_LEN at the top of the program.  L As far as IPsec, it's not there yet, and we have been watching as it unfolds in the IETF.   I hope this is enlightening ...s   -John       ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message F news:rdeininger-1102011835200001@user-2ive6ee.dialup.mindspring.com...L > In article <9675pl$om7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, richard_maher@my-deja.com wrote: >( > > Hi,  > >iH > > I read Hoff's note and pointers about IPv6 being supported in TCP/IP1 > > Services for VMS V5.1 with VMS V7.3 - Thanks.e > >e > > The questions I have are.d > >tA > > Without being on the field test can we get $qio oriented datacJ > > structures for sockaddr_in etc? Along the lines of Table 3-9 in TCP/IPG > > Services for VMS System Services and C socket programming referenceC > > manual.t >EJ > I believe TCP/IP V5.1 is released already.  The media kits might even beH > available.  It's not syncronized with the release schedule of VMS 7.3. >nB > TCP/IP V5.1 is supposed to work with VMS 7.1 and later, I think. >C > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 06:04:40 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)k% Subject: Re: TCP/IP services and IPv6f/ Message-ID: <3a877bdd.1102174@swen.process.com>   B On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:04:26 GMT, richard_maher@my-deja.com wrote:  F >If Hunter reads this, will TCPWare et al be synchronising its release) >of IPv6 Compatible products with VMS7.3?	 >@D I posted to the TCPware newsgroup last week about IPv6.  Here's what* I wrote in response to that same question:  E >Personally, I think it's still very optimistic to think IPv6 will be.D >largely deployed in the next half-dozen years.  It was once needed;G >since then, people keep coming up with ways (CIDR, NAT) to put off thes >need for IPv6.N  A >So far, our customers have agreed, so we've put our efforts intosD >things like SSH and IPP that customers are asking for today, ratherC >than spending a lot of time on something that might still be yearsd >away from deployment.  G >I can appreciate your interest, and we haven't forgotten IPv6, it justeE >hasn't been our biggest priority yet because it's not a priority forSD >most of our customers.  That could change soon, but that's where it >sits at the moment.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/u9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:52:10 +0000s) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>e Subject: Re: VMS Margin-alized, Message-ID: <3A86FB7A.FF8F71CD@infopuls.com>   Wayne Sewell wrote:  > b > In article <JwPlYwnkYhts@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes: >  > >tJ > >    None of our Wintel servers carry the Compaq brand, and I doubt that > > any ever will. > P > Of course.  Compaq never seems to get that message.  You can get VMS and alphaN > *only* from compaq.  You can get a billybox from anybody.  Yet they push theG > latter so that billy can get most of the profits.  If they could wean N > themselves off dependence on billyboxes and concentrate on vms and nsk, they > could keep *all* the profits.o >  > --Q > ===============================================================================yO > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx:: > http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlM > change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)mQ > ===============================================================================yD > Cute Girl, to Curly: "Oh, what a beautiful head of bone you have!"  ? Sounds too simple but I don't see a problem. Especially if theys8 want to go "enterprise". Or are the enterprises going to
 Micro$oft?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:05:31 -0500 9 From: "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net>  Subject: Re: VMS Umbrellad2 Message-ID: <9679dl$5p3$1@slb4.atl.mindspring.net>  7 "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message,$ news:3a866b42$1@news.kapsch.co.at...K > In article <964itj$omo$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Steven Shamlian" <note$ dot an at earthling dot net> writes:? > >Hey, where do I get on this Umbrella-recieving mailing list?e >0L > I think it's the same as the posters and balls mailing list, so ask sue... >u* Let's try this a different way: Who's Sue? =+=Steven Shamlian=+=o   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:10:32 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: VMS Umbrellao< Message-ID: <cKGh6.4406$H_3.1591261@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  D "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net> wrote in message, news:9679dl$5p3$1@slb4.atl.mindspring.net... >o9 > "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in messageE& > news:3a866b42$1@news.kapsch.co.at...H > > In article <964itj$omo$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Steven Shamlian" <not& > dot an at earthling dot net> writes:A > > >Hey, where do I get on this Umbrella-recieving mailing list?  > >RG > > I think it's the same as the posters and balls mailing list, so aski sue... > > , > Let's try this a different way: Who's Sue?  6 Susan.Skonetski@compaq.com is the most likely suspect.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:54:38 GMTE  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?8 Message-ID: <guud8t849f5380df8hgcn7rpg3e85ibpdl@4ax.com>   I believe the following:   Oracle (aka Oracle Oracle) Oracle Rdb (aka DEC Rdb) Ingres Sybase (I think)? ISAM files (with RMS Journaling, if you require data integrity)e    ; On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:53:24 +0100, "Jean-Franois Marchal"e' <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:e  	 >Hi all !y >e2 >What datadabases are still available on OpenVMS ? >Any freeware ?  >n >Cheersi >Jean-Franois Marchal >X9000- LYON (FR)l >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:18:39 +0100 4 From: "Peter Ljungberg" <peter.p.ljungberg@telia.se>8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?, Message-ID: <966s5n$sij$1@news.han.telia.se>   Not Free:  Mimer   See: www.mimer.se    Mimer 7 process basedr Mimer 8 pthread based   " and even older Mimer 5 for VAX/VMS  0 I think Mimer4 for VAX/VMS is free, I'm not sure   /P.Ljo  I "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote in messagee( news:966jbq$m0d$1@reader1.imaginet.fr...
 > Hi all ! >u3 > What datadabases are still available on OpenVMS ?- > Any freeware ? >a > Cheers > Jean-Franois Marchalm > X9000- LYON (FR) >a >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:58:16 -0500i2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1102011758160001@user-2ive6ee.dialup.mindspring.com>  F In article <966jbq$m0d$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>, "Jean-Franois Marchal"' <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:t  
 > Hi all ! > 3 > What datadabases are still available on OpenVMS ?  > Any freeware ?  E Oracle has been making noises about a hobbyist program for Rdb, but Iu  don't think it has happened yet.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comn   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:07:15 GMTa+ From: Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com>m8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?) Message-ID: <9675uu$oor$1@nnrp1.deja.com>d  3 Look on the Freeware disks for (Analy)RIM and DBAG.    Chris?     Sent via Deja.comi http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2001 18:37:29 -0500: From: malmberg@eisner.encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?3 Message-ID: <W9E10VgLaBsA@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  <  On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:53:24 +0100, "Jean-Franois Marchal"(  <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:  	 >Hi all !t >s2 >What datadabases are still available on OpenVMS ? >Any freeware ?e  ) To add to a list that may grow for a bit:r  5 http://www.sleepycat.com has the Berkely DB Database.   A If you download the source it has build instructions for OpenVMS.i  L I do not know how well it works though or what kind of support is available.   -John. wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only  No association with Sleepycat.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 06:25:17 GMTn- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)y7 Subject: WKU FILESERV: Updated NETLIB023 and FTP_MIRRORl/ Message-ID: <3a8780aa.2330981@swen.process.com>   8 The following packages have been added to and updated on FTP.WKU.EDU and its mirrors:      o NETLIB023  (Updated)w  5 	NETLIB V2.3 is MadGoat Software's vendor-independentt2 	TCP/IP routine library.  Written by Matt Madison.*         NETLIB runs on both VAX and Alpha.      o FTP_MIRROR (Updated)e  5 	FTP_MIRROR V1.0-1 is a DCL procedure that lets a VMSu3 	system mirror an FTP site (both VMS and UNIX sitesi5 	are supported.  This version includes a minor changew4 	to support VMS sites running in UNIX mode.  Written7 	by Dan Wing, with changes from Richard Levitte, Martinf) 	Zinser, Dick Munroe, and Hunter Goatley.h  5 You can find these packages using the following URLs:o  ! http://www2.wku.edu/www/fileserv/h  ( ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/unzip.zip0 ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/unzip.zip9 http://www.tmk.com/ftp/ftp-wku-edu/vms/fileserv/unzip.zipn4 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/ftp-wku-edu/vms/fileserv/unzip.zip  5 These mirrors should be updated in the next 24 hours:h  E           ftp.vms.stacken.kth.se, under [.MIRRORS.WKU.VMS.FILESERV]. i8           ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se, under [.WKU.VMS.FILESERV].            ftp.riken.go.jp :           ftp.vsm.com.au, under kits and kits/decwindows. :           www.vsm.com.au/ftp/, via the WWW instead of FTP.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/O9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/f   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.085 ************************