0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 12 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 86      Contents: Are YOU NEW to the INTERNET??  Re: CHANNELCNT question # Console problem (no decwindows) VAX ' Re: Console problem (no decwindows) VAX ' Re: Console problem (no decwindows) VAX  Re: create User  Re: create User  Re: create User  Re: create User  Customer presentation  Re: Error messages on VMS 7.2  Extension file header details  Google buys Deja Re: Google buys Deja& Re: How to configure DNS on our system Re: increase CLISYMTBL > 1024  Re: increase CLISYMTBL > 1024  Re: increase CLISYMTBL > 1024 ' MSCP mounted disks and volume rebuilds. 7 Re: NAPTHA DOS attack, was OpenVMS x NATO (comp.os.vms) 7 Re: NAPTHA DOS attack, was OpenVMS x NATO (comp.os.vms)  RE: Oldest computer games? Re: Oldest computer games? RE: Oldest computer games? RE: Oldest computer games? Re: Oldest computer games? RE: Oldest computer games? RE: Oldest computer games? Re: Oldest computer games? OpenVMS and security Re: OpenVMS and security Re: OpenVMS Success stories 9 Programs that don't honor search lists (was: create User)  Status of EV, take 2 Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7   Strange way to blow your profits$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits% Re: Suggested upgrade to VMS (DECnet)  Re: TCP/IP services and IPv6 Re: TCP/IP services and IPv6 Re: TCPIP$BIND: dynamic updates # Trivia question. was: Status of EV7  Re: USAGE.DAT and missing files  Re: USAGE.DAT and missing files ) VMS message garbled during boot (console) - Re: VMS message garbled during boot (console)  Re: VMS Umbrella RE: VMS Umbrella9 Re: Was MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem - Now Humphrey Bogart - re: what databases are available for Openvms? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? 7 Re: What monitor and keyboad will work with dec3000/400  Re: Wizard page re-organization 2 Re: WKU FILESERV: Updated NETLIB023 and FTP_MIRROR& WSMAX, PQL_DWSEXTENT and PQL_MWSEXTENT* Re: WSMAX, PQL_DWSEXTENT and PQL_MWSEXTENT* Re: WSMAX, PQL_DWSEXTENT and PQL_MWSEXTENT+ Re: [Change topic] What is a "gubernator" ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  ( Date: Monday, 12 Feb 2001 12:30:29 -0600 From: mega.info@52chances.com & Subject: Are YOU NEW to the INTERNET??) Message-ID: <12020112.3029@52chances.com>   0 How To Make A Comfortable Living On The Internet .a simple plan that works!  4 It's easy to set up, produces FAST results, and once/ you master the basics... it can be scaled up to % support a VERY comfortable lifestyle.   ? Take a look at it now.... http://www.roibot.com/w.cgi?R7741_Op1    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:08:18 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>   Subject: Re: CHANNELCNT question8 Message-ID: <46df8tglt18jj4qn288ut7pu8u4updp67q@4ax.com>  8 On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:52:47 -0500, "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote:  & >Message text written by Brad Hamilton, >>DVINCI::SY18889 $ mcr sysgen sh channelcntI >Parameter Name            Current    Default     Min.     Max.     Unit   >DynamicI >--------------            -------    -------    -------  -------   ----   >-------A >CHANNELCNT                   2047        127        31      2047  >Channels    > G >I know, not a MicroVAX, but it works fine for me (channelcnt MAXed out  >for backup performance).< > L >How is backup performance affected when you reduce CHANNELCNT to, say, 512? > K >In my experience I have rarely seen backup open anywhere near 512 files at  >once!    E I've seen BACKUP run out of resources very ungracefuly if it runs out F of CHANNELCNT. You need to have tuned the BACKUP account appropriatelyA but it can easily hold over a thousand files open if they are all  relatively small.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 04:58:39 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> , Subject: Console problem (no decwindows) VAX, Message-ID: <3A87B3C3.E9CAFF5B@videotron.ca>   Here is another problem:  H VMS boots, but as it gets to DECwindows, decwindows complains about someK sysgen parameters not being sufficient. It offers the choice to run AUTOGEN M (but that crashes the system). If I say NO, it then ends the boot process and - if I press RETURN I get the Username: prompt.   N The problem is that when this happens, only the top 5 lines are accessible and scroll, the rest doesn't move.  K Is there a way to "unfreeze" the rest of the screen so that I have at least 5 enough lines to make the screen usable in line mode ?   L There are no DECwindows processes at that time. But I guess that its startupN went far enough to install some drivers that screw up the screen. Any hints on how to handle this ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:15:01 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br 0 Subject: Re: Console problem (no decwindows) VAXL Message-ID: <OFF6C7EC52.B0D2F171-ON032569F1.003D7955@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  E Everytime I used to have this kind of problem I AUTOGENed the OpenVMS F using SAVPARAMS / TESTFILES and after checking the results I continued with GETDATA / SETPARAMS....  F But I never had problems with "crashing" the operating systems, except9 when there is a "BUG"CHECK in RDB or some Kernel files...   
 Regards FC        > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> em 12/02/2001 07:58:39             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       , Assunto: Console problem (no decwindows) VAX     Here is another problem:  H VMS boots, but as it gets to DECwindows, decwindows complains about someK sysgen parameters not being sufficient. It offers the choice to run AUTOGEN I (but that crashes the system). If I say NO, it then ends the boot process  and - if I press RETURN I get the Username: prompt.   J The problem is that when this happens, only the top 5 lines are accessible and  scroll, the rest doesn't move.  K Is there a way to "unfreeze" the rest of the screen so that I have at least 5 enough lines to make the screen usable in line mode ?   D There are no DECwindows processes at that time. But I guess that its startup K went far enough to install some drivers that screw up the screen. Any hints  on how to handle this ?   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2001 12:39:06 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) 0 Subject: Re: Console problem (no decwindows) VAX0 Message-ID: <968lha$s47$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  \ In article <3A87B3C3.E9CAFF5B@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Here is another problem:  > I >VMS boots, but as it gets to DECwindows, decwindows complains about some L >sysgen parameters not being sufficient. It offers the choice to run AUTOGENN >(but that crashes the system). If I say NO, it then ends the boot process and. >if I press RETURN I get the Username: prompt. > O >The problem is that when this happens, only the top 5 lines are accessible and  >scroll, the rest doesn't move.  > L >Is there a way to "unfreeze" the rest of the screen so that I have at least6 >enough lines to make the screen usable in line mode ? > M >There are no DECwindows processes at that time. But I guess that its startup O >went far enough to install some drivers that screw up the screen. Any hints on  >how to handle this ?   L Use the famous S3-switch and enable a serial console. I would think that you won't have the problems there.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 07:27:58 GMT , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr> Subject: Re: create User) Message-ID: <96839r$fdb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   ( > Message text written by Paul Repacholi  " > NO NO NO... Don't do this, ever! > H > set def to sys$common:[sysexe], never to sys$system. Unless you really > WANT another sysuaf...  H Paul, NEVER use such syntax like sys$common:[sysexe] unless you are in aG cluster environment and you want to address node specific issues. My 19 E years experience taught me that default values, default behaviour and 7 ofther default choices give no default in OpenVMS land.   ? And anyway, the most common practice is to define/system sysuaf ; sys$system:sysuaf.dat in the sylogicals.com (or elsewhere).    D. -- ----+ http://didier.morandi.free.fr/index_us.html      Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2001 04:39:24 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: create User- Message-ID: <87ae7tt0n7.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   " Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:  L > Of course, defining SYSUAF can bite you if you have got used to doing the  > following: >  > UAF> LIST  > UAF> Exit  > $ PRINT SYSUAF > 6 > Whoops - you've just sent SYSUAF.DAT to the printer.  3 Try PRINT/DEL... :( With the machine 3000M away :((    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:27:56 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: Re: create UserL Message-ID: <OF38DDAF5C.7AE19114-ON032569F1.0049CBA9@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  D I allways asked myself why the OpenVMS engineering didnt developed a
 Lexical toA get informations from the SYSUAF like  F$GETUAF("USERNAME","UIC")  for example ...    Regards    FC        H Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>@k9.petrobras.com.br em 11/02/2001 18:39:24  ' Enviado Por:   prep@k9.petrobras.com.br                Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com        Assunto: Re: create User    " Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:  K > Of course, defining SYSUAF can bite you if you have got used to doing the  > following: >  > UAF> LIST  > UAF> Exit  > $ PRINT SYSUAF > 6 > Whoops - you've just sent SYSUAF.DAT to the printer.  3 Try PRINT/DEL... :( With the machine 3000M away :((    --< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2001 23:50:41 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: create User- Message-ID: <87snljq4ry.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / gary prarat <g.prarat@worldnet.att.net> writes:   I > I've been setting default to SYS$SYSTEM for almost seventeen years.  It F > works as long as SYSUAF.DAT lives in either SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE] orJ > SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] though I don't think I've ever encountered a copy in > SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE].  > If it works for you, but it can bite. I have a general rule to. ( almost ) never use searchlists as a default.  A 7 is the best SYSUAF count I've seen. It was silently agreed that B no one would ask how one ended up in [SYSE.SYSEXE] with SA backup.     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:44:51 -0500 2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> Subject: Customer presentation7 Message-ID: <ZaWh6.626$cu.2445@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>    Dear Newsgroup,   # The following are my comments only.   F The presentation that David is referring to is Rich's customer genericL presentation.  This is used basically at a high level and with new customersL to give them an awareness of  where OpenVMS is and who some of our customersH are.  For the customer names to be in this presentation we need a signedL agreement between the company and Compaq for a  testimonial and you will see$ the list growing on a regular basis.  G For a public customer presentation we can not provide information which I would give our competitors information we prefer to keep close to us, nor 4 would we post such information on a public web site.  H We have solid plans for growth in the next year, which with your help weI will achieve. We have new customers and customers moving back to OpenVMS. I One of the concerns that this newsgroup expressed about a year ago was we J did not seem to have plans for growth we now have it with very real goals.  K We are stable, we are growing, we are innovating and we still have the best I engineers in the world and most importantly we have you, a loyal customer G base that loves the product.  And the fact is that Compaq is supporting E OpenVMS stronger than Digital under Palmer did.  And while there is a I continual educational process where OpenVMS is concerned the good news is K that Michael Capellas is first and foremost willing to listen and second is J a good business man.  I have found him to be a very reasonable, responsive person.   H As far as the comments regarding Northern light, OpenVMS was prominentlyL displayed on their web site for almost a year, they decided to refresh theirC web site, that's all.  And as much as we would love to have OpenVMS G displayed on all our customers and partners web site, we do not control  their actions.  L And before I step off my soapbox, if we could be at least as expressive withJ good information that we hear as we are to beat into the ground mistakes I think we would get further.   
 Warm Regards,    Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:18:03 +0100 ' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> & Subject: Re: Error messages on VMS 7.2* Message-ID: <3A881ACA.6BD683A8@iaf.fhg.de>   Gloria Griffith wrote: >  > Hello All, > 9 > I have been searching through manuals and FAQ's for the E > reason/solution for these error message that I am getting on my VMS 9 > system but I have not been able to track them down yet.  > < > On my Alpha Server DS20E running VMS 7.2 I get this error:) >  (This machine is not part of cluster )  > $ : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   9-FEB-2001 16:58:27.63  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on GC02BS@ > Event: Too Few Servers Detected from: Node LOCAL:.GC02BS DTSS,/ >         at: 2001-02-09-16:58:27.632-06:00Iinf  >         Number Detected=0, >         Number Required=1 9 >         eventUid   C3F97DA7-FEAC-11D4-B2B8-474330324253 9 >         entityUid  2458844C-FA8C-11D4-83C9-AA0004000504 9 >         streamUid  242031AA-FA8C-11D4-83AA-AA0004000504  > H > it pops up every 7 minutes or so, what is it and how do I fix whatever > it is? > TIA  >  > Gloria Griffith  > Ericsson VMS System Admin  > 972-583-7052    A The time which your Alpha server uses should be referenced to the E "standard time". For the network DECnet you use the Service DTSS (See  the C "DECnet-Plus DECdts Management guide" for more information) for the F network  TCPIP you use the Service NTP (See Chapter 10 Configuring andD Managing NTP in "DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Management" for more information)   C If you have a stand alone system the easiest way is to use NTP, see  http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/      Regards, --    ; *********************************************************** ; *                                                         * ; *  Theo Jakobus                                           * ; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  * ; *  Tullastr. 72                                           * ; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       * ; *  Germany                                                * ; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           * ; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *t; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            * ; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  * ; *                                                         *e; ***********************************************************e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:45:07 GMT " From: Andy <andyw9804@my-deja.com>& Subject: Extension file header details) Message-ID: <9690e1$5ve$1@nnrp1.deja.com>Y  G I've got some MACRO-32 code that gets the file header through opening a A file specifying the ATR$C_HEADER name within an attribute controlwF block. This has worked OK for the last few months but now the file I'mF interrogating has gone multi-header and I can't see for the life of meF how & can update the code to start swinging through the extension fileA headers. The maximum size of the ATR$C_HEADER field is 512 bytes.e  E It isn't a huge problem because I can just defrag the file but as faru: as I'm concerned it's a bug in my code that I need to fix.  D Does anyone know how to use the ACP-QIO interface to get my hands on these extension headers ?e   Thanks for any help,   -AndyV     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2001 12:14:43 -05002 From: young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) Subject: Google buys Deja 3 Message-ID: <GOi$DQ98xGGb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   # 	Register reports Google buys Deja.P  : 	Great news!  Now we can dig through all the old archives. 	Try it out:   	http://groups.google.com/     				Robi   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2001 19:56:33 GMT From: d.webb@mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Google buys Dejan* Message-ID: <969f5h$sbf$1@news.netmar.com>  = In article <GOi$DQ98xGGb@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Rob Youngh* <young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org> writes: >h$ >	Register reports Google buys Deja. > ; >	Great news!  Now we can dig through all the old archives.d
 >	Try it out:i >a >	http://groups.google.com/m >t >a >				Rob >l  = Not for anybody who was actually using deja to post articles.KG This may be great in the long term and good for searching old articles LJ but Google have seriously pissed me off and probably quite a lot of others# with the way this has been handled.o  H I saw no advanced notification of this. When I came back from a meeting G after lunch I discovered that accesses to deja were redirected to this   google page.  F "My Deja" has disappeared - No records of which groups I am subscribed to ., or which messages I have read. No POSTING !!  G Plus the new server seems to be totally overloaded with almost constantu loss of network connections.    F Why the rush to dump the old service and replace it with this "beta" ?E Wasn't the old hardware and software part of the aquisition - if not .	 why not ?p  G The professional way to do this would have been to have maintained the 0H old service until the new service was fully functional and providing all! the functions of the old service.8    8 As you can see I am now posting this through newsone.net    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University      O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----mM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups-I    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts-L made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:51:30 GMTA" From: freestyle_london@my-deja.com/ Subject: Re: How to configure DNS on our systemu) Message-ID: <968t9e$31a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>y  C Many Thanks to all of you for your input. Now that I have found the ' OPENVMS site on compaq I should be ok !e  ( In article <95f189$ldt$1@news.IAEhv.nl>,%   "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote: D > Umm, I tend to agree with your system manager. Setting up a proper working 2 > Domain Name Server is (IMHO) not a trivial task.G > For further details, read the book titled DNS & BIND, O'Reilly Press.z0 > Good book, tells you exactly how to do things. >pC > The Compaq IP stack (UCX, now called TCPIP) V5 and later containscF > BIND version 8. The on line doumentation tells you how to set it up. > Basically: > - define your domain namep9 > - check whether you're connected to the Internet or not ! > - configure your database filestH > I do hope that your IP address administration is up to date, otherwise
 > filling thee  > database is going to be a PITA >nG > Other IP stacks also include BIND so the question on what product youd usetB > is not that important. Two versions are currently in use: BIND-8	 (8.1.3 or  > so)  > and the older BIND-4 (4.9.3).sF > If you happen to run BIND-4 make sure that you're at least at 4.9 if you're > connecteds3 > to the Internet. DNS systems are obvious targets.s >wE > Use BIND, don't go for local name resolution because eventually the- > maintenance of all& > those systems will be just too much.G > Two DNS systems (a master and a slave server) will prove a lot easierc to	 > manage.e >g > Hans Vlems >.: > freestyle_london@my-deja.com heeft geschreven in bericht" > <95e2ho$k0d$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...@ > >We have a VMS Manager but he tells me he does not know how to	 configureg > >DNS ! > >cB > >The reason we want to configure DNS is so that we can use names rather" > >than IP address's for printing. > >n@ > >All of our printers are HP JetDirect cards running TCP/IP. He metioned7 > >a UCX table does that mean anything to anyone here ?7 > >9F > >What I am looking for is a resource (not a book) that I can give to himiD > >to configure this. Also any guidelines people have on printing toH > >JetDirect would be great. As far as I know it prints to it via a port& > >number of something like 9001 etc.. > >O > > 	 > >Thanksr > >  > >y > >Sent via Deja.com > >http://www.deja.com/s >  >      Sent via Deja.come http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 07:35:54 GMTe, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr>& Subject: Re: increase CLISYMTBL > 1024) Message-ID: <9683or$fpl$1@nnrp1.deja.com>u  - In article <3A86E956.8322880C@earthlink.net>, :   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:   > Why?   :-)r  F because I am working these days at a Customers' place where a folk hasH written ten years ago dozens of DCL code in upcase, without IF THEN ELSEE indentation and plenty of E41: Z2: or B2-4AC: labels who are really a H pain to read, and also because I didn't find such tool in the DTC nor in* www.openvms.dig^H^H^Hcompaq.com/freeware..  G The result for vmsinstal.com or tcpip$config is nice. I'll give it whennE it's fully tested (the continuation lines greater than 1024 chars aresC still a problem to solve) and when it will "pass" the net$configuren test.g   D. -- ----+ http://didier.morandi.free.fr/index_us.htmlc     Sent via Deja.comI http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:15:11 GMT , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr>& Subject: Re: increase CLISYMTBL > 1024) Message-ID: <968ulm$473$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   E > The following will double (assuming your CLISYMTBL is at 1024) yourg DCLe' > symbol table size to 2048 -- 800(16).? >  > You type:  $ ANALYZE/SYSTEMe > response:  SDA>B) > You type:       EVALUATE EXE$GL_CLITABLu< > response:  Hex = FFFFFFFF.8#######   Decimal = -2134823560 EXE$GL_CLITABL >            SDA> + > You type:       SPAWN RUN SYS$SHARE:DELTAo) > response:  OpenVMS Alpha DELTA Debuggerp >l >            Exit 00000001 >s; >            80058F80!       LDQ             R28,#X0008(SP)- >-@ > You type:                                                  1;M > response:  00000001x > You type:  00010001:8#######/ ' > response:                    00000400 + > You type:                             800n > response:i > You type:  EXIT| > Response:  SDA>r > You type:       EXIT > Response:  $  : Thank you, Brian, that's what I needed and... it works :-)   D. -- ----+ http://didier.morandi.free.fr/index_us.html      Sent via Deja.com1 http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:54:59 GMT-= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) & Subject: Re: increase CLISYMTBL > 10240 Message-ID: <009F786A.B4F896B4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  X In article <968ulm$473$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr> writes: >aF >> The following will double (assuming your CLISYMTBL is at 1024) your >DCL( >> symbol table size to 2048 -- 800(16). >> >> You type:  $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM >> response:  SDA>* >> You type:       EVALUATE EXE$GL_CLITABL= >> response:  Hex = FFFFFFFF.8#######   Decimal = -2134823560r >EXE$GL_CLITABLn >>            SDA>, >> You type:       SPAWN RUN SYS$SHARE:DELTA* >> response:  OpenVMS Alpha DELTA Debugger >> >>            Exit 00000001  >>< >>            80058F80!       LDQ             R28,#X0008(SP) >>A >> You type:                                                  1;Mr >> response:  00000001  >> You type:  00010001:8#######/( >> response:                    00000400, >> You type:                             800 >> response: >> You type:  EXIT >> Response:  SDA> >> You type:       EXIT: >> Response:  $  > ; >Thank you, Brian, that's what I needed and... it works :-)   # Welcome and happy to be of service./   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             eO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 04:35:53 -0500o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-0 Subject: MSCP mounted disks and volume rebuilds., Message-ID: <3A87AE6F.60B576C0@videotron.ca>  I Node VELO has 2 drives.  ($DISK1 , $DISK2), available to cluster via MSCPB (ethernet cluster) m  $ Node BIKE  mounts $DISK1 and $DISK2.  N node BIKE crashes, node VELO doesn't crash, but freezes due to loss of quorum.  L As BIKE rejoins the cluster, VELO again regains quorum and becomes available with full access to its disks.  N But later as BIKE tries to mount VELO's disks, they go into mount verificationE on BIKE, and VELO blocks access to each drive as it is being mounted.c     ------------  	 Question:l  H If BIKE can corrupt VELO's drives as it crashes, shouldn't VELO have theH responsability to go immediatly into mount verification ?  How come VELOG happily continues to access its drives until BIKE tries to mount them ?   I And more importantly, since these drives are MSCP served, can BIKE really  corrupt them as it crashes ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:58:34 -0500 0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>@ Subject: Re: NAPTHA DOS attack, was OpenVMS x NATO (comp.os.vms)2 Message-ID: <=euHOlqnQVi05ClLMSQpLgdHX+0F@4ax.com>   Thanks, Hoff.  David R. Beatty  E On Fri, 09 Feb 2001 19:16:20 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoffr Hoffman) wrote:t  f >In article <Kv6DOidWfJA3mUnq1qsw8uxSdPIV@4ax.com>, David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com> writes: >lA >:...does anyone from Compaq or the TCP/IP Services group care toe
 >:respond?...F >[N >  ...Checking on the status of OpenVMS TCP/IP Services and CERT CA-2001-21... > O > --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------nM >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.comY   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:10:54 -0500e0 From: Jason Fountain <Jason.Fountain@compaq.com>@ Subject: Re: NAPTHA DOS attack, was OpenVMS x NATO (comp.os.vms)* Message-ID: <3A88272E.C3159280@compaq.com>  7 > Incedentally there is also no response to the currentW8 > BIND advisories for OpenVMS although it is by no means' > certain that OpenVMS isn't vunerable.-  H The latest BIND advisories do not affect OpenVMS.  TCP/IP Services has aH BIND implementation based on 8.1.2.  The advisory is against 8.2.x.  TheI advisory also called out problems against BIND 4.9.x, which the older UCX G 4.x is partially based on, but it has been verified and is not affected' either.r   -jason   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:13:06 GMTe/ From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>s# Subject: RE: Oldest computer games? ) Message-ID: <9689f2$jol$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  
 In articleC <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B11B7@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>, 8   "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> wrote:6 > Keep looking, PDP Quake maybe out there somewhere :) >m > -----Original Message-----* > From: Beyonder [mailto:beyonder@vrx.net]) > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 5:35 AMi > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come! > Subject: Oldest computer games?  >t9 > I found the binary for spacewar, the original pdp game.u >m@ > I also have what I think is the world's first multi-user game,C > it's an old star trek game, written around 1976-1978, it supports H > 4 players, interactive, co-operative or fight each other, and computerC > players of course.  So is this one for the archives of history ori > what?t >w > B. >mD if that is the one written in ratFIV we converted it (and the ratfIVG 'compiler etc.) from PDP to VMS some time ago. It still works on one of C our few remaining VAXen - anyone wants the source send me an e-maila   Mike --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer     Sent via Deja.coms http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:16:18 -0500e# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>r# Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?i+ Message-ID: <3A87F032.F760A671@hsc.vcu.edu>t  5 Is it Mtrek??  Multi-player Startrek?  We had it too.a  ! man that brings back memories....h   Mike Price wrote:e >  > In articleE > <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B11B7@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>,e: >   "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> wrote:8 > > Keep looking, PDP Quake maybe out there somewhere :) > >o > > -----Original Message-----, > > From: Beyonder [mailto:beyonder@vrx.net]+ > > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 5:35 AMo > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # > > Subject: Oldest computer games?e > >u; > > I found the binary for spacewar, the original pdp game.B > >8B > > I also have what I think is the world's first multi-user game,E > > it's an old star trek game, written around 1976-1978, it supports J > > 4 players, interactive, co-operative or fight each other, and computerE > > players of course.  So is this one for the archives of history orn	 > > what?2 > >t > > B. > > F > if that is the one written in ratFIV we converted it (and the ratfIVI > 'compiler etc.) from PDP to VMS some time ago. It still works on one of E > our few remaining VAXen - anyone wants the source send me an e-mail  >  > Mike > --D > All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
 > employer >  > Sent via Deja.comC > http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:21:14 -0600 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov># Subject: RE: Oldest computer games?7- Message-ID: <0033000015967865000002L052*@MHS>t  , =0AI remember playing a game in 1969 or 1970 called HAMMURABI.e  9 Written in APL on an IBM 360 series that did timesharing.r6 Hooked up using an IBM 2741 (looked like someone cut a8 Selectric typewriter in half latitudinally and stuck the9 top half on top of a Parsons table) and a 300 baud modem.   6 It was text-based sort of a very, very crude precursor! to SIM CITY (as I understand it).P  7 You decided how many bushels of grain to plant, give too& the people as food or keep in storage.  8 Rats usually ate some of what you had in storage, yields2 per acre varied, and population increased based on how you chose.   WWWebb       -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ( Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:57 PM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: Oldest computer games?     7 I found the binary for spacewar, the original pdp game.   > I also have what I think is the world's first multi-user game,A it's an old star trek game, written around 1976-1978, it supports F 4 players, interactive, co-operative or fight each other, and computerA players of course.  So is this one for the archives of history orh what?    B.=    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:50:08 GMT : From: Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences <nclews@my-deja.com># Subject: RE: Oldest computer games?*) Message-ID: <968t6t$302$1@nnrp1.deja.com>-  ) In article <9689f2$jol$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,02   Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> wrote: > In articleE > <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B11B7@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>, : >   "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> wrote:8 > > Keep looking, PDP Quake maybe out there somewhere :) > >   D I remember playing ROCKET on an PDP8 running ETOS. It was written inA BASIC and some bright spark had edited the first line so it read: 8 "THE ONBOARD COMPUTER HAS FAILED (IT WAS NOT FROM WIGAN"  H The missing closing bracket is correct in the version we played, a typo.% Played it on the old ASR33 teletypes.t  F (Wigan is a place in the north - west of England, 200 miles north-westE of London and where I first got my hands on computers in 1977. If youwG didn't need to know that, you'll probably know the building with an old   pit head winding wheel outside).   Happy days.a   Nico -- nclews at csc dot com      Sent via Deja.com- http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2001 23:36:14 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Re: Oldest computer games? - Message-ID: <8766ifrk0h.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  # Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:e  9 > I found the binary for spacewar, the original pdp game.  > @ > I also have what I think is the world's first multi-user game,C > it's an old star trek game, written around 1976-1978, it supportssH > 4 players, interactive, co-operative or fight each other, and computerC > players of course.  So is this one for the archives of history ori > what?   : Multi-trek? If so, it could run about 40 players on a 750!   -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.b@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:18:15 GMTl/ From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>o# Subject: RE: Oldest computer games? ) Message-ID: <9692bt$7uv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  A all those who sent e-mail asking for the source - there will be a D slight delay while I find out how to run the damn thing - memory notD what it used to be I'm afraid. I will send the stuff as soon as I am sure it still works!!!F If not I'll send the source and you can try to get it working yourself   Thanks for all the interest. --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer     Sent via Deja.comu http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2001 16:35:05 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) # Subject: RE: Oldest computer games?l+ Message-ID: <9693bp$d1v$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>y  - In article <0033000015967865000002L052*@MHS>,n-  WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:C/ |> =0AI remember playing a game in 1969 or 1970a |> called HAMMURABI. |> u< |> Written in APL on an IBM 360 series that did timesharing.9 |> Hooked up using an IBM 2741 (looked like someone cut aw; |> Selectric typewriter in half latitudinally and stuck the < |> top half on top of a Parsons table) and a 300 baud modem. |> a9 |> It was text-based sort of a very, very crude precursor $ |> to SIM CITY (as I understand it). |> t: |> You decided how many bushels of grain to plant, give to) |> the people as food or keep in storage.p |> a; |> Rats usually ate some of what you had in storage, yieldsI5 |> per acre varied, and population increased based on  |> how you chose.5  ; It was converted to Microsoft Basic (the original ROM basede: one) and was sold for all the TRS80 line as "Santa Paravia: and Fiumaccio".  Spent many an hour playing big tournament6 games with groups of friends.  If you want to find the0 "cheats", read "The Prince" by Machievelli.  :-)2 Rats are much less of the threat than the clergy!!   bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:57:49 +0000h  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com# Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?PH Message-ID: <OF0E4D74A5.4D93CC94-ON802569F1.0062832B@qedi.quintiles.com>  J And probably had better performance than some of today's bloatware running  on PCs and Nintendos.......  :-)  B Paul Repacholi (prep at prep dot synonet dot com) wrote / quoted : >>>f9 > I found the binary for spacewar, the original pdp game.o >o@ > I also have what I think is the world's first multi-user game,C > it's an old star trek game, written around 1976-1978, it supports H > 4 players, interactive, co-operative or fight each other, and computerC > players of course.  So is this one for the archives of history ord > what?a  = Multi-trek? If so, it could run about 40 players on a 750!<<<.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:38:30 +0100g+ From: SYSTEM MANAGER <brogna@ilc.pi.cnr.it>o Subject: OpenVMS and securityn- Message-ID: <3A87D946.5EF95431@ilc.pi.cnr.it>i  1 I suppose the following is a simple question  for  this forum.   F Scenario: I have to create a simple web site for an Organization that @ has an OpenVMS system, running as front-end e-mail bastian host.) No other host is on the external network.s> They need to add a web server for a simple web page presenting the Orgaization. The problem:F I need some good motivation expecially about OpenVMS security, respectG to other HW/SW (Windows NT !) to avoid that just for the above pourposec> they add a new host (Windows NT !) just to run a HTTP server. C Infact I would run the HTTP server on the only external server that  is an OpenVMS system.i  1 Please send answer directly to my e-mail address:  francesco.gennai@iat.cnr.itp   regards,	 Francesco    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2001 23:24:00 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>! Subject: Re: OpenVMS and securitye- Message-ID: <87elx3rkkv.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   - SYSTEM MANAGER <brogna@ilc.pi.cnr.it> writes:e  3 > I suppose the following is a simple question  forZ
 > this forum.a > H > Scenario: I have to create a simple web site for an Organization that B > has an OpenVMS system, running as front-end e-mail bastian host.+ > No other host is on the external network. @ > They need to add a web server for a simple web page presenting > the Orgaization. > The problem:H > I need some good motivation expecially about OpenVMS security, respectI > to other HW/SW (Windows NT !) to avoid that just for the above pourposeD@ > they add a new host (Windows NT !) just to run a HTTP server. E > Infact I would run the HTTP server on the only external server thatr > is an OpenVMS system.:  B Go look at WASD. Runs well, and from people who HAVE to care about *real* security.  A Oh, and you can run it via decnet over several machine, so peopleb? don't have to loginto the bastillion host to update some stuff.S Look at the decnet scripting.   > here is a mailing list for it, mail to wasd-request@vsm.com.au@ Yes, those letter should be the 'wrong' way! You can get it from   http://wasd.vsm.com.au     -- $< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:50:48 -0500 2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Success stories7 Message-ID: <xLSh6.616$cu.2364@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>n  K Please note that there are now a number of new success stories/testimonials  on this web site..   sue.    = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in message/1 news:WFhg6.519$cu.2324@gazette.loc1.tandem.com...  > Dear Newsgroup,M > F > I just wanted to make sure that you are aware that there are OpenVMS Successe1 > stories available off of the OpenVMS home page.4 >n? > Please be aware that this site is updated on a regular basis.r >r4 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/success-stories.html >g > Best Regards,u >g > SueL >M >  >a >0   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2001 11:24:14 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) B Subject: Programs that don't honor search lists (was: create User)3 Message-ID: <wikm8Z2ZRqS0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <87snljq4ry.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:1 > gary prarat <g.prarat@worldnet.att.net> writes:  > J >> I've been setting default to SYS$SYSTEM for almost seventeen years.  ItG >> works as long as SYSUAF.DAT lives in either SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE] ortK >> SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] though I don't think I've ever encountered a copy inp >> SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE].  > @ > If it works for you, but it can bite. I have a general rule to0 > ( almost ) never use searchlists as a default.  0 It sounds like you may have used the EDT editor.0 Some years ago it had a bug that if you edited a0 file from a search list filespec, it put the new0 version in the first leg of the search list, not. in the leg from which it read the old version.  " TECO has always gotten this right.  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 00:10:34 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Status of EV, take 2a- Message-ID: <87k86vq3ut.fsf@prep.synonet.com>K  < Well, the digital dog has had a vulture drop in for a visit. Drop over to The Register  http://www.theregister.co.uk and enjoy the view.'  A BTW, The ABCs SCience Show was on the HGP this weekend. There wascA much mention of computers, and how the new Supercomputer would bes: 30 times faster than anything else. Compaq mentioned once.  + No, that word was never mentioned at all...m   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:39:11 +0000i/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>R Subject: Re: Status of EV77 Message-ID: <009F7868.7FDC3C55.16@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>M   > Hello, > L > does anybody know, why all the Alphas needs so much power (they are hot?)?J > You can get Pentium III 900MHz Laptop and in the near future also an AMDK > Athlon. But the power consumtion of Alpha growth and growth (20W-->30W-->iA > ...-->125W). Are the Intelian and AMDlian better chip designer?  >  > Regards Rudolf Wingert >   @ With caveat that I'm a physicist rather than a chip designer ...  N Firstly, Alpha does rather more per MHz than P-3, so its an unfair comparison.  Watts per SPEC is more sensible.  G Secondly as has already been posted, EV7 has memory controller and NIC -E on-die to speed things up, rather than on separate motherboard chips,oG so for the Intel design you have to add in a chunk of motherboard powerp to the figures.p  I But fundamentally, there is a problem that all chip designers are facing,iM that Moore's law is beginning its end run to run to the physical limits, and sK the first sign of this is that electricity consumption is increasing ratheriC faster than the scaling laws say it ought to.  The "right thing" istJ probably to keep clock speed and processor complexity and pipeline lengthsK down, and do more in parallel instead, via SMT (symmetrical multi-tasking) sE and SMP (multi-processing) on a single die. Which, of course, for anynI heavyweight single process, shovels the hard work back to the programmer.    	Yours,P
 		Nigel Arnote- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   t  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:15:02 GMTe, From: peterw@u.genie.co.uk (Peter Watkinson) Subject: Re: Status of EV7= Message-ID: <3a88fddb.13700898@newshost.netscapeonline.co.uk>a  = On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:12:43 GMT, peterw@u.genie.co.uk (Petert Watkinson) wrote:1  5 >On Fri, 09 Feb 2001 09:49:39 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon":# ><terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:n >h >>2 >>"Paul DeMone" <pdemone@igs.net> wrote in message# >>news:3A837829.A4C241D4@igs.net...  >>> F >>> IBM-made copper bulk EV68's (120 mm2) are alive and well and AFAIK
 >>hardwareN >>> is at select customer sites. General release is imminent. I saw a shmoo ofN >>> one running at 1388 MHz at room temp, nom Vdd so initial speed grades will) >>> likely be in the 1.0 - 1.2 GHz range.a >>>w >>L >>Yep. Charlie Matco dropped by and informed me that CPQ just might announceM >>an ~1100MHz EV68 upgrade for WildFire in May 2001, shipments ~30 days afterm >>announcement.i >> >> >  >n >s   Sorry make thatn  1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/16831.htmlt     duh.     Peter Watkinson. Email: peterw@u.genie.co.uk-( Internet: http://you.genie.co.uk/peterw/A Windsurf International.com http://www.windsurf-international.com/ * PW Navigate.com http://www.pwnavigate.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:12:43 GMTo, From: peterw@u.genie.co.uk (Peter Watkinson) Subject: Re: Status of EV7= Message-ID: <3a87fd1e.13511718@newshost.netscapeonline.co.uk>.  4 On Fri, 09 Feb 2001 09:49:39 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   > 1 >"Paul DeMone" <pdemone@igs.net> wrote in messageO" >news:3A837829.A4C241D4@igs.net... >>E >> IBM-made copper bulk EV68's (120 mm2) are alive and well and AFAIKo	 >hardwarenM >> is at select customer sites. General release is imminent. I saw a shmoo ofhM >> one running at 1388 MHz at room temp, nom Vdd so initial speed grades willi( >> likely be in the 1.0 - 1.2 GHz range. >> >sK >Yep. Charlie Matco dropped by and informed me that CPQ just might announce,L >an ~1100MHz EV68 upgrade for WildFire in May 2001, shipments ~30 days after >announcement. >o >f    ( There is an EV68 article on the Register   http://www.silicon.com/a42597e  . I guess Charlie would already know about that.  	  regards,i     Peter Watkinson  Email: peterw@u.genie.co.uko( Internet: http://you.genie.co.uk/peterw/A Windsurf International.com http://www.windsurf-international.com/l* PW Navigate.com http://www.pwnavigate.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2001 16:49:08 +01005 From: Holger Bettag <hobold@informatik.uni-bremen.de>  Subject: Re: Status of EV79 Message-ID: <8x3ddjucjv.fsf@s62.informatik.uni-bremen.de>R  , Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> writes:   [...]0K > On some applications, even Itanium will be of interest to some -- single UI > precision FFTs are interesting on these beasts, as not many processors d) > have 6 GFLOPS peak in single precision.c >aC A 750MHz MPC7450? (Maybe already at 600MHz, depending on schedulingo, constraints between vector and scalar FPUs.)     Holger   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:20:50 +0000a6 From: christian.bau@isltd.insignia.com (Christian Bau) Subject: Re: Status of EV7M Message-ID: <christian.bau-1202011720500001@christian-mac.isltd.insignia.com>i  G In article <8x3ddjucjv.fsf@s62.informatik.uni-bremen.de>, Holger Bettag ( <hobold@informatik.uni-bremen.de> wrote:  . > Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> writes: >  > [...] M > > On some applications, even Itanium will be of interest to some -- single NK > > precision FFTs are interesting on these beasts, as not many processors e+ > > have 6 GFLOPS peak in single precision.i > > E > A 750MHz MPC7450? (Maybe already at 600MHz, depending on scheduling . > constraints between vector and scalar FPUs.)  7    http://developer.apple.com/hardware/ve/pdf/g4fft.pdfy  F describes an FFT running at 1.6 GFLOPS for large vector size on a 7400G processor running at 400 MHz. That's not peak 1.6 GFLOPS but 1.6 GFLOPS E sustained. I'd say you need dual 750 MHz for 6 GFLOPS sustained; 7450c could well be faster.g   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2001 16:08:31 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)i) Subject: Strange way to blow your profits + Message-ID: <9691pv$cp0$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>e  ? So, did everyone else here get their Compaq OpenVMS umbrella tooC go with the flashing rubber ball??  Too bad they can't be convincedrD to stop blowing money on silly trinkets and use the money to provideG seed money to get Alpha and OpenVMS back into the academic environment. > And maybe to seed some academic OpenSource porting projects.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:38:20 -0300l) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brp- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profits L Message-ID: <OFC744A756.B05927A4-ON032569F1.0060AE25@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  I I didnt receive a umbrella (is not needed here in Brazil,) or  a bouncingo
 ball ! ! !  G The OpenVMS customers here are disapearing .... two/three years in max.e  K But the things can change if  Compaq pay SAP to port their ERP to OpenVMS !t ! !i   I still having ope....   Regardsh   FC        B bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) em 12/02/2001 14:08:31  & Favor responder a bill@cs.scranton.edu             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como      ) Assunto: Strange way to blow your profitsu    ? So, did everyone else here get their Compaq OpenVMS umbrella totC go with the flashing rubber ball??  Too bad they can't be convincedRD to stop blowing money on silly trinkets and use the money to provideG seed money to get Alpha and OpenVMS back into the academic environment. < And maybe to seed some academic OpenSource porting projects.   bill   --J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2001 18:20:54 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)t- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profitsf+ Message-ID: <9699i6$gcu$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>n  L In article <OFC744A756.B05927A4-ON032569F1.0060AE25@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,,  fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:L |> I didnt receive a umbrella (is not needed here in Brazil,) or  a bouncing
 |> ball ! ! !j |> /J |> The OpenVMS customers here are disapearing .... two/three years in max. |> tN |> But the things can change if  Compaq pay SAP to port their ERP to OpenVMS ! |> ! ! |> 9 |> I still having ope....y  C I hope people here don't take me wrong.  It is cute that Compaq hasBD these little PR games.  But they don't need to sell me.  What I needB are the resources to start selling the people who have never heardF of VMS and are going to be out there n the real world making decisionsG after June.  And after the following June.  And the one after that too. H Nobody is going to recommend that their CIO go with a VMS system because I got an umbrella.   bill   -- ,J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   >   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:32:56 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <alan_greig@fmc.com>e- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profits 8 Message-ID: <3u5g8tssc82pdmshj7s3hdsbfh9jqiqs12@4ax.com>  < On 12 Feb 2001 16:08:31 GMT, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:  @ >So, did everyone else here get their Compaq OpenVMS umbrella toD >go with the flashing rubber ball??  Too bad they can't be convincedE >to stop blowing money on silly trinkets and use the money to provide.H >seed money to get Alpha and OpenVMS back into the academic environment.? >And maybe to seed some academic OpenSource porting projects.  d  D Yep, the balls and umbrellas help keep the ship afloat if they reach@ the right people but we really want to go on a cruise. I tend toD believe that Marcello, Sue and Co are doing the best they can at theD moment. The alternative is that they're incompetent. Given Winkler'sD views from the  Compaq analysts briefing that the future is Windows,F Windows, Windows and eventually nothing else I know which option seemsE more likely to me. If Capellas is seriously behind VMS then hopefully @ we'll see more positives. If not then customer disquiet (and I'm2 certainly as guilty as anyone else) won't go away.  = Compaq just have to realize what they've got in VMS. Are they 
 listening?     >billr   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2001 13:43:35 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)e- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profits-3 Message-ID: <oSoYvrbe0njY@eisner.encompasserve.org>Y  _ In article <9699i6$gcu$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:1  E > I hope people here don't take me wrong.  It is cute that Compaq hashF > these little PR games.  But they don't need to sell me.  What I needD > are the resources to start selling the people who have never heardH > of VMS and are going to be out there n the real world making decisionsI > after June.  And after the following June.  And the one after that too. J > Nobody is going to recommend that their CIO go with a VMS system because > I got an umbrella.  I Perhaps you should give your umbrella to the Dean/Provost/Chancellor/etc.N  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:27:52 +0000R% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>c. Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade to VMS (DECnet)8 Message-ID: <vvbf8t08ir7n4cofil89612mv872n7s3up@4ax.com>  E On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:11:27 +0100, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:o   > F >You were lucky! On my first two encounters with Phase V, much of the O >documentation had gone missing (presumably folks had taken it home to try and h  D Lucky and trying to make DECNET VAX Extensions load an X25 DEMSA andF have it provide access to  mixed Phase IV and Phase V nodes, do not go together :)   ; One couriered patch kit + 80MB of emailed patches + severalsF documentation errors + several days on the phone to the CSC we finally got things working.a  9 And as for the amount of output it produced by default...t  P >get to grips with it). IIRC the documentation CDs I had at the time refused to 3 >let me in because I didn't have an Ultrix license!h >A >___ >Paul Sturer >Switzerland   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2001 23:43:07 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>% Subject: Re: TCP/IP services and IPv6t- Message-ID: <87wvavq54k.fsf@prep.synonet.com>m  4 "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net> writes:  E > If the kits are not available yet, then they should be any day now.-   <chomp>p  N > As far as IPsec, it's not there yet, and we have been watching as it unfolds > in the IETF.  D John, is there any moves afoot on the TCP/IS front? Several ISP here7 are making at least internal muttering about  using it.    -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.u@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:05:28 -0500e2 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net>% Subject: Re: TCP/IP services and IPv65+ Message-ID: <3a88182f$1@newsfeed.vitts.com>r   Paul,pK     I am unfamiliar with "TCP/IS"?  Is this a typo or can you tell me a bitS	 about it?   L     We are working with the Tru64 group on IPsec.  There are complexities inK that it pulls together several pieces from different origins.  It is viewed/H as a very high priority item.  We just finished V5.1 and do not have theH plans for V.next in concrete yet, so I can't even comment on timeframes, sorry.   -Johnd  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagen' news:87wvavq54k.fsf@prep.synonet.com... 6 > "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net> writes: >aG > > If the kits are not available yet, then they should be any day now.e >o	 > <chomp>  >aH > > As far as IPsec, it's not there yet, and we have been watching as it unfolds  > > in the IETF. > F > John, is there any moves afoot on the TCP/IS front? Several ISP here9 > are making at least internal muttering about  using it.' >h > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.lB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:04:48 -0500t0 From: Jason Fountain <Jason.Fountain@compaq.com>( Subject: Re: TCPIP$BIND: dynamic updates* Message-ID: <3A8817AF.729AECC1@compaq.com>  G You need to hit 'enter' twice after typing your command line.  NSUPDATE=G allows for a series of commands to be issued and then sent all at once, * triggered by the extra 'enter' at the end.   -jason   Carl Karcher wrote:=  6 > Configuration: TCPIP V5.0a with ECO1, OpenVMS V7.2-1 > B > As an experiment, I saved my zone files and defined the logical: >o1 >         TCPIP$BIND_SERVER_MERGE_DYNAMIC_UPDATESD >8G > system-wide with a value of "TRUE". I have the "allow-update" line inrJ > tcpip$bind.conf under the zone file definition section. I restarted bindH > and the log file had the expected message: "WARNING: dynamic zone fileC > 'my-domain.db' is writable". I then attempted to use the nsupdatepG > utility command (defined in SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$DEFINE_COMMANDS.COM) asd# > follows to send a dynamic update:t >e
 >  $ nsupdate 0 >  > update add test.my-domain 1000 in a 1.2.3.4 >CH > There was no effect. No such name was defined, nothing in the bind logG > file and no new zone file after waiting an hour. Has anyone else beene4 > able to use the vms nsupdate to trigger an update?   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2001 23:30:54 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>, Subject: Trivia question. was: Status of EV70 Message-ID: <87ae7rrk9d.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>  4 young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:  D > You see... we can beat this about again but the fact is there is aC > ton of evidence to suggest MIPS for the long term isn't something @ > SGI wanted to do.  The slide of Itanium another full year mostB > likely became a hard reality for Intel's customers circa Q1 1999= > ("guys, bad news... it really isn't going to be a year 2000rC > part... more likely mid-2001, but you can roll pilots!")  FORCINGnE > SGI to climbdown (HP having climbed down earlier as they are in thel; > midst of things).  Tons of revisionist history to follow.e   Now, for the special prize:n  A Name the OTHER computer that missed it's First Ship Year, Decade,  and Century.   -- h< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:27:42 GMTu* From: Edward Heller <ejheller@my-deja.com>( Subject: Re: USAGE.DAT and missing files) Message-ID: <968vd2$53s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>p  ( In article <Le1YAURke1Au@cpva.saic.com>,    mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote:+ > In article <95v8qr$joo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,n/ >  Edward Heller <ejheller@my-deja.com> writes:w7 > > Here is a puzzler, if anyone can take a stab at it:  > >@ >WE > ; See supplemental section D of the  Analyze/Disk_Structure UtilityoE > ; in System Management Volume 2 of the VMS V5.n  documentation  for,, > ; complete description of DISK_USAGE file. > ;. >(G > > 2) Why does the USAGE.DAT file have more records (i.e,, files) than8 arewG > > shown with a DIR/GRAND [*...] on the disk? Not only that, but thereu aree8 > > more directory records in the file than on the disk.D > > Note that this is not a system disk and does not have duplicated > > directory trees. > >  > > Thanks,n > > Edward.m > >e > > -- > > Edward Helleri > > TransCore, ITS > > Atlanta, GA, USA > >' > >0 > > Sent via Deja.coml > > http://www.deja.com/ >s  G Well, oops on the first question. Apparently, I did not read the titles>C of the indexes. My apologies for asking silly questions. However, IeG think the second part of the question is still open (unless that too isl in an index). To reiterate:mG 2) Why does the USAGE.DAT file have more records (i.e,, files) than arerG shown with a DIR/GRAND [*...] on the disk? Not only that, but there arenF more directory records in the file than on the disk. The difference is0 not 1 or 2 but in the range 3 or 4 digits worth.  F P.S. To the poster who tried to e-mail me. I appreciate the effort and' do not know why it should have bounced.a --
 Edward Hellerv TransCore, ITS Atlanta, GA, USA     Sent via Deja.com- http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 00:17:25 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: USAGE.DAT and missing files- Message-ID: <87g0hjq3je.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   , Edward Heller <ejheller@my-deja.com> writes:  I > 2) Why does the USAGE.DAT file have more records (i.e,, files) than are8I > shown with a DIR/GRAND [*...] on the disk? Not only that, but there areiH > more directory records in the file than on the disk. The difference is2 > not 1 or 2 but in the range 3 or 4 digits worth.  ? There will be a few for [1,*] due to the header etc. The numberi> of records depends on the number of file owners on the volume.? This need not have any reflection on the number of directories. ? Plus, there could be lost files, these will be counted as well.    -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.h@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 02:59:04 -0500u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>w2 Subject: VMS message garbled during boot (console), Message-ID: <3A8797C4.72595168@videotron.ca>  F During the early boot on a VAXstation 3100-30,  a few lines get partly overwritten when it gets to E OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version 7,2  Major version id=1 Minor version id =1 w  I It is frustrating because VMS is complaining about a SYSGEN parameter not = being set properly, but that complaint isn't readable :-) :-)s  ) Is there a way to change that behaviour ?   3 Right now, I see part of a line that I think reads:e  L SYSBOOT-W-WS default xxx quota xixxd to XXXxMTNWSCNT  (where X are letters I: am not sure of because onlt the very top of line remains).  8 Does it do this to any workstation, or just that model ?    N Also, when DECwindows complains about a bad parameter, it gives you the optionK to run autogen to fix it. When it does, it consistently crashes the system.d  J As a suggestion, when DECwindows complains about bad parameters, it shouldU ring the bell, or at least have a longer timeout before it proceeds with the autogen.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2001 11:31:53 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)6 Subject: Re: VMS message garbled during boot (console)* Message-ID: <3a87bb99$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  \ In article <3A8797C4.72595168@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:M >SYSBOOT-W-WS default xxx quota xixxd to XXXxMTNWSCNT  (where X are letters I ; >am not sure of because onlt the very top of line remains).o  K I'd start with checking the current and the (new) minimum value of MINWSCNTP   -- t< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888-< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 07:22:43 GMTt, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr> Subject: Re: VMS Umbrellao) Message-ID: <9682vv$fa8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>w  < In article <cKGh6.4406$H_3.1591261@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,7   "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:r  8 > Susan.Skonetski@compaq.com is the most likely suspect.  D I thought you would have answered "her address is printed on the VMS
 umbrella" :-)    D. -- ----+ http://didier.morandi.free.fr/index_us.htmli     Sent via Deja.com. http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:59:24 -0600 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: VMS Umbrella0- Message-ID: <0033000015965201000002L012*@MHS>   ? =0AMe, too.  And right as an ice storm is bearing down upon us.A
 How very VMS.0  ; I like "Sue & Co."  ROTFL.  It's appropriate- she's leadingm the charge.t  9 She SHOULD get more recognition for all the hard work shep does on our behalf.a   WWWebb   PS4 Dan- didja get the DEClaser 3200 service manual yet?   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETo) Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 5:07 PMn6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: VMS Umbrellai    H Just got my official OpenVMS umbrella.  Thanks, Sue & Co., I needed one=   anyway!w     ------H +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------= -+H | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                      =  |H | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity? =  |H | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?"=  |H | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx   =  |H +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------= -+=n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:39:25 +0000n$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.ukB Subject: Re: Was MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem - Now Humphrey Bogart/ Message-ID: <002569F1.00458793.00@quegw01.btyp>   L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    P And which they continue to get wrong, although now it's more prevelant in the TV% world, especially Frasier nowadays...a   Steve Spires        4 Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> on 10/02/2001 05:12:40 PM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)hB From:      Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>, 10 February 2001, 5:12 p.m.  5 Was MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem - Now Humphrey BogartO        B In article <1010210114604.46493A@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos wrote: > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmst" > From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>* > Subject: Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem' > Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:52:02 -0500i >t, > On Sat, 10 Feb 2001, Christof Brass wrote: >i& > > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > >c
 > > [snip] > >eK > > > something's gone pear-shaped. Sometimes one trick fits, sometimes then otherc; > > > does. You pays your money, and you takes your choice.u. > >                ^                         ^. > >                |                         | > > 9 > > Is this correct English? (sorry, couldn't resist ...)r > >e > > >v > > > Shanea >nD > I just saw "The African Queen" the other day, and Humphrey Bogart,L > pretending to be English, says this to Katherine Hepburn (also pretending,F > a little more successfully, to be English.)  It's an old expression,C > but I always assumed it was American.  And, no, it is not correct.% > English (or even correct American.)l >rJ Years since I saw that film (or is it already Easter in the US? :-) :-) ).  K Before you mentioned the film, I was thinking along the lines of the Londonb< Cockney accent (which Hollywood used to get horribly wrong). ___s
 Paul Sture Switzerlandv   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:15:30 -0500n From: Tym_Stegner@cca-int.comd6 Subject: re: what databases are available for Openvms?A Message-ID: <OF85802F5D.FFE9DC94-ON852569F1.00538D13@cca-int.com>p  D System 1032 is available for the OpenVMS environment; Vax and Alpha.G Relational-like, ODBC interface available (and in active use across the  country!)...  ? While a hobbyist program is under development, let me know youre= requirements off-line, and maybe we can work something out...l   Tym StegnerI System 1032 Supporte Computer Corporation of Americas   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2001 08:03:03 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)s8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?3 Message-ID: <AlvhBZkDz348@eisner.encompasserve.org>   F 1032 should be available -- a support person for it has posted in this newsgroup within the past year.o  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:30:40 GMTi* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?: Message-ID: <jsSh6.344486$IP1.11586144@news1.giganews.com>  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:AlvhBZkDz348@eisner.encompasserve.org... H > 1032 should be available -- a support person for it has posted in this! > newsgroup within the past year.   A Are we "allowed" to mention proprietary/non-mainstream/(VMS only)= databases ?=  F DMS-Plus (from the company formerly-known-as Campus America/POISE, now<  part of Jenzabar,etc.) is still available though it has notH  traditionally been sold by itself (& 99% of the few hundred sites usingB  it are in the educational market.) & it's not free (but does come;  with source code if you're into that sort of thing...)....u  E [And if I say anymore, it would probably count as advertising since Io  DO work for 'them'....]   -Andy-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:08:57 -0500Y. From: "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com>8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?+ Message-ID: <9698q1$3kp$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   D There is also DSM and CACHE from Intersystems (www.intersystems.com)   Ken Randell   G Jean-Franois Marchal <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote in message ( news:966jbq$m0d$1@reader1.imaginet.fr...
 > Hi all ! > 3 > What datadabases are still available on OpenVMS ?h > Any freeware ? >  > Cheers > Jean-Franois Marchala > X9000- LYON (FR) >u >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:13:56 GMTd2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)@ Subject: Re: What monitor and keyboad will work with dec3000/4007 Message-ID: <EJVh6.624$cu.2618@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>4   In article <rdeininger-0902012311320001@user-2ivebcf.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:n  K :The same keyboards that work on DEC terminals should work on the DEC 3000,k& :long as the connector is compatible.   J   The reference to the connector is the key to this statement.  There are J   various keyboards used on various terminals, those with the narrow-width@   modular jack (RJ4) will work with the DEC 3000 series systems.  M :I think LK401 and LK411 work, but that's from memory.  I know an LK201 will   :work.  F   LK201, LK401, LK40W, LK402, LK411, LK421, LK441, LK442, LK443, LK444J   should all work.  Of these, the LK401, LK40W, LK402, and LK411 would be I   the preferable keyboards, this due to the OpenVMS keyboard layout used.-G   Of the commonly-found recent keyboards, the LK461, LK46W, PCCAL, and jI   PCXAL series keyboards will NOT work.  (There are other keybaords that 3   will not work, BTW.)   	--   G   As might be assumed from the above list, I've been keeping a list of lF   the various keyboards and associated connectors for a while now, (soB   before anyone asks) I'll add the list to the next OpenVMS FAQ...   	--d  E   Check the FAQ for details on keyboard and peripheral compatibility.f  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:27:09 GMTJ2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Re: Wizard page re-organization7 Message-ID: <1WVh6.625$cu.2618@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>   v In article <3A85DC54.61804AB3@rustic-place.demon.co.uk>, Malcolm MacArthur <malcolmm@rustic-place.demon.co.uk> writes:  K :How about a 'feedback' system, to allow ordinary users to make comments oneM :Wizard topics? With a disclaimer, of course, stating that the information is 8 :not provided by Compaq and may not be fully accurate...  I   A defacto feedback system already exists, via new questions referencingWH   existing topics.  The addition of a "comment" or "feedback" button to I   the displays at the Wizard site is certainly worthy of consideration.  mI   That said, it would be unlikely that unmoderated/unreviewed text would mI   be posted on the OpenVMS website -- for what should be obvious reasons.e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:22:54 GMTV- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)e; Subject: Re: WKU FILESERV: Updated NETLIB023 and FTP_MIRROR . Message-ID: <3a87d52e.194679@swen.process.com>  P On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 06:25:17 GMT, goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) wrote:  9 >The following packages have been added to and updated onr >FTP.WKU.EDU and its mirrors:d >e >   o NETLIB023  (Updated) >n6 >	NETLIB V2.3 is MadGoat Software's vendor-independent3 >	TCP/IP routine library.  Written by Matt Madison.n+ >        NETLIB runs on both VAX and Alpha.a >  >   o FTP_MIRROR (Updated) >a6 >	FTP_MIRROR V1.0-1 is a DCL procedure that lets a VMS4 >	system mirror an FTP site (both VMS and UNIX sites6 >	are supported.  This version includes a minor change5 >	to support VMS sites running in UNIX mode.  Writtenb8 >	by Dan Wing, with changes from Richard Levitte, Martin* >	Zinser, Dick Munroe, and Hunter Goatley. >F6 >You can find these packages using the following URLs: >o" >http://www2.wku.edu/www/fileserv/ >:/ Here are the corrected URLs.  Sorry about that!e  , ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/netlib023.zip4 ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/netlib023.zip= http://www.tmk.com/ftp/ftp-wku-edu/vms/fileserv/netlib023.zips8 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/ftp-wku-edu/vms/fileserv/netlib023.zip  - ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/ftp_mirror.zip 5 ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/ftp_mirror.zipe> http://www.tmk.com/ftp/ftp-wku-edu/vms/fileserv/ftp_mirror.zip9 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/ftp-wku-edu/vms/fileserv/ftp_mirror.zipa   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/r9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:19:16 -0500m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> / Subject: WSMAX, PQL_DWSEXTENT and PQL_MWSEXTENT , Message-ID: <3A87E2BC.885563CA@videotron.ca>  D Well, it has been a strange night. A system that worked well before.  L I was having problems with Ghostscript so I figured I would raise WSMAX from 16500 up to 32k.  = Edit modparams.dat, and change WSMAX = 16500 to WSMAX = 32000 ( run AUTOGEN GETDATA SETPARAMS NOFEEDBACK and reboot.:  ! Right ? Simple. Not a problem....-   NO WAY !  H First , decwindows won't boot and suggests letting me run autogen to fix' problem. System crashes during autogen.5  N Eventually fix THAT problem. But now, system continues to crash. Have isolatedM it to TCPIP crashing as it is started. (I never had problems with it before).e  F Anyhow, in looking at the damage, I have noticed that AUTOGEN had set:E PQL_DWSEXTENT and PQL_MWSEXTENT to match the WSMAX I had set. And allsH processes created during boot time had been given that WSEXTENT of 32k.     M So, what is the scoop ? I would have expexted that WSMAX to have been just antH upper limit that would not allow any process to be created with a biggerG working set, I had no expectations of AUTOGEN deciding that the processs6 creation defaults would use WSMAX to set the WSEXTENT.  H In any event, I downloaded the TCPIP 5.0a kit on my MAC and am now usingB KERMIT over an async line to download the pacth to the guilty vax.    	 QUESTION:   L When autogen screws up the vaxvmssyspar.dat file, what is the correct method1 to roll back FULLY the changes that AUTOGEN did ?i  K Also, in one invocation of AUTOGEN, it got into an infinite loop of copyinghG CLU$PARAMS.DAT to CLU$PARAMS.OLD. I had to <CTRL-Y> it, and in the nexthM invocation, it told me my PARAMS.DAT was currupt and that I should delete it.d  	 Question: G Can AUTOGEN run with only MODPARAMS.DAT and VAXVMSSYSPAR.DAT ? (will it. regenerate its files ?)    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:50:18 GMTd* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>3 Subject: Re: WSMAX, PQL_DWSEXTENT and PQL_MWSEXTENTH) Message-ID: <9690nm$6bs$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   , In article <3A87E2BC.885563CA@videotron.ca>,0   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:F > Well, it has been a strange night. A system that worked well before. >UC > I was having problems with Ghostscript so I figured I would raisec
 WSMAX from > 16500 up to 32k.  C 32k may be too much for your system. What problem are you trying tor address?   >)? > Edit modparams.dat, and change WSMAX = 16500 to WSMAX = 32000 * > run AUTOGEN GETDATA SETPARAMS NOFEEDBACK
 > and reboot.t > # > Right ? Simple. Not a problem....   ; Well, with nofeedback, at least on my systems, autogen sets F MAXPROCESSCNT to anywhere from 300 to 500 and adjusts other parameters' based on that. I'd run *with* feedback.   F Assuming you've always been using AUTOGEN to modify system params, I'dD do a DIFF/PARA/MAT=1 SETPARAMS.DAT to see what changes there are and make sure that they are sane.    > 
 > NO WAY ! >dF > First , decwindows won't boot and suggests letting me run autogen to fix ) > problem. System crashes during autogen.  >6G > Eventually fix THAT problem. But now, system continues to crash. Have- isolatedF > it to TCPIP crashing as it is started. (I never had problems with it before). >aH > Anyhow, in looking at the damage, I have noticed that AUTOGEN had set:G > PQL_DWSEXTENT and PQL_MWSEXTENT to match the WSMAX I had set. And all3D > processes created during boot time had been given that WSEXTENT of 32k.  D Yep, does that on mine too. I guess the VMS people feel that in mostC circumstances, there is no point limiting WSEXTENT, at least not by  default.   >hG > So, what is the scoop ? I would have expexted that WSMAX to have beena just an C > upper limit that would not allow any process to be created with aS biggerA > working set, I had no expectations of AUTOGEN deciding that ther processu8 > creation defaults would use WSMAX to set the WSEXTENT.  E Well, you picked an arbitrary, perhaps too large, WSMAX. I guess thenaF that you would have had to set the PQL*WSEXTENT params to lower valuesD in modparams.dat, and then would have had to raise WSEXTENT only for? the account having trouble, assuming WSMAX isn't way too large.    >tD > In any event, I downloaded the TCPIP 5.0a kit on my MAC and am now usingnD > KERMIT over an async line to download the pacth to the guilty vax. >  > QUESTION:a >hG > When autogen screws up the vaxvmssyspar.dat file, what is the correcto method3 > to roll back FULLY the changes that AUTOGEN did ?c  D Every time you run an AUTOGEN that includes the SETPARAMS phase, theA latest calculations from the GENPARAMS phase (which are stored in > SETPARAMS.DAT) are written to VAXVMSSYS.PAR while the previousB VAXVMSSYS.PAR is renamed to VAXVMSSYS.OLD. So, you want to use theE VAXVMSSYS.OLD that corresponds to your last working system. If you've : run AUTOGEN several times, you may have to go back several VAXVMSSYS.OLD's.   So, to go fully back:S  F If your system is up, MC SYSGEN, USE SYS$SYSTEM:VAXVMSSYS.OLD;n (where@ n is the correct version of that file), WRITE CURRENT, exit from SYSGEN, then reboot.  C If your system won't boot, you need to do a conversational boot. OnrE VAXes I think it's usually B /R5:1. This gives you a SYSBOOT> prompt,pF at which you should run something like USE SYS$SYSTEM:VAXVMSSYS.OLD;n,C then type CONTINUE and press return upon which the system will bootu with the old params.   > E > Also, in one invocation of AUTOGEN, it got into an infinite loop ofe copyingnD > CLU$PARAMS.DAT to CLU$PARAMS.OLD. I had to <CTRL-Y> it, and in the nextD > invocation, it told me my PARAMS.DAT was currupt and that I should
 delete it. >- > Question: F > Can AUTOGEN run with only MODPARAMS.DAT and VAXVMSSYSPAR.DAT ? (will it > regenerate its files ?)b  F Many files are involved. Which ones do you wish to delete and why? AllD user input for AUTOGEN is obtained from MODPARAMS.DAT, assuming thatG you don't edit the other files which you're not supposed to edit. There % is no need to delete the other files.l  G See the AUTOGEN manual in the Utilities Reference Manual and AUTOGEN int3 the Sysmgr's manual: Tuning, Monitoring, & Complex.    >g   --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItD is not a valid address. Instead, use the address below, removing the long wrong part first. Thanks.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)( afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.com     Sent via Deja.com- http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:37:58 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)3 Subject: Re: WSMAX, PQL_DWSEXTENT and PQL_MWSEXTENTrL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1202011137580001@user-2iveamp.dialup.mindspring.com>  5 In article <3A87E2BC.885563CA@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:=  F > Well, it has been a strange night. A system that worked well before. > N > I was having problems with Ghostscript so I figured I would raise WSMAX from > 16500 up to 32k. > ? > Edit modparams.dat, and change WSMAX = 16500 to WSMAX = 32000N* > run AUTOGEN GETDATA SETPARAMS NOFEEDBACK
 > and reboot.0  F Suggestion for future:  always save your working parameters in anotherF file.  You don't have much margin for error on this very small system!     > # > Right ? Simple. Not a problem....l > 
 > NO WAY ! > J > First , decwindows won't boot and suggests letting me run autogen to fix) > problem. System crashes during autogen.c  ? Crash as in bugcheck?  Or hang?  Or (almost) infinite slowness?p    tP > Eventually fix THAT problem. But now, system continues to crash. Have isolatedO > it to TCPIP crashing as it is started. (I never had problems with it before).  > H > Anyhow, in looking at the damage, I have noticed that AUTOGEN had set:G > PQL_DWSEXTENT and PQL_MWSEXTENT to match the WSMAX I had set. And all0J > processes created during boot time had been given that WSEXTENT of 32k.  >  > O > So, what is the scoop ? I would have expexted that WSMAX to have been just aniJ > upper limit that would not allow any process to be created with a biggerI > working set, I had no expectations of AUTOGEN deciding that the process^8 > creation defaults would use WSMAX to set the WSEXTENT. > J > In any event, I downloaded the TCPIP 5.0a kit on my MAC and am now usingD > KERMIT over an async line to download the pacth to the guilty vax. >  >  > QUESTION:g > N > When autogen screws up the vaxvmssyspar.dat file, what is the correct method3 > to roll back FULLY the changes that AUTOGEN did ?   : 1)  Keep a copy of your working parameters before playing.D 2)  USE DEFAULT -- use the VMS-supplied default parameters.  I don't remember the syntax.G 3)  Converstional boot, disable DECW and TCPIP to get the system going,s then work on your parameters.e  ) Some combination of the above might help.d   How is your free disk space?  , How overbooked are your page and swap files?   -- - Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:26:58 +0010o% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au94 Subject: Re: [Change topic] What is a "gubernator" ?5 Message-ID: <01K018JSMUKY009R9A@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>.   Royi   ROTFL (mainly your signature)l  4 >> We always hear about "gubernatorial" candidates,  >elections, etc. >>- >> I have a question: what is a "gubernator"?n  7 >Latin word for "steersman" (the person at the helm of   >the ship).t9 >Thus giving the English word "governor" (supposedly the - >one >steering the government). >F3 >That is all IIRC :-)  (My Latin was 30 years ago).o >n  3 Yeah, and mine is 40 years, so I can only take the r7 nearest and assume that "Royus Omondus" means "king of n9 the world" -- that's pretty close, isn't it?  Especially p6 with a name like mine, it could be "king of the Irish  world" -- but O'Mondus :-)))   >Royus Omondus >Blue Bubble Ltd.=  7 From memory, and then a quick check with m-w, there is A9 no noun.  Gubernatorial is an adjective, and only that.  =8 If you did your stuff from memory, you're pretty damned  right.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,1
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiac   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  8 Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to  work for most people, 6 but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little  spam.0   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.086 ************************