0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 13 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 88      Contents:$ Re: ?? C?? CRPT - Corrupt bit is set! ADV: High Search Engine Placement ! ADV: High Search Engine Placement  Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity4 Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90?) RE: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel. ) Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel. ) Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel. ) Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel. ) Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel. ) Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel. ) Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel. + Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences? + Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences? + Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences? + Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences?  Re: CHANNELCNT question  Re: CHANNELCNT question # Compaq grew up 24% in Latin America  Re: Customer presentation ! Re: Efficiency in processing bits ! Re: Efficiency in processing bits ! Re: Extension file header details  Re: Google buys Deja Re: Google buys Deja! Re: Great DCL emulator for NT (1) ! Re: Great DCL emulator for NT (1) ! Re: Great DCL emulator for NT (3) ! Re: Great DCL emulator for NT (3) + Re: Great DCL emulator for NT (3) -  NOT!!! $ How to analyze a DECserver dumpfile?/ Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / RE: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours  Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem  More newbie questions  Re: More newbie questions  More on caching  Re: Oldest computer games? Re: Oldest computer games? Re: Oldest computer games? Re: Oldest computer games?y  RE: Oldest computer games?y  Re: Oldest computer games?y 0 Re: Online VAX-11 Architecture Reference Manual? OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Process memory limit Re: Process memory limit Re: Process memory limit Re: Process memory limit Re: Process memory limit Queue Manager Error  Re: Queue Manager Error  Re: Queue Manager Error  Re: Queue Manager Error  Re: Queue Manager Error  Re: Queue Manager Error  Re: Queue Manager Error  Re: Queue Manager Error  Re: Queue Manager Error  Re: Queue Manager Error / Re: Queue Manager Error  - Thanks to all of You  Re: Status of EV7 $ RE: Strange way to blow your profits$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits Terry Knows Compaq :-)" Re: The "deleting many files" myth RE: VMS Umbrella Re: VMS Umbrella
 Re: VX/DCL9 Re: Was MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem - Now Humphrey Bogart 9 Re: Was MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem - Now Humphrey Bogart / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:41:12 +0000 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>- Subject: Re: ?? C?? CRPT - Corrupt bit is set 8 Message-ID: <983i8tgmjh258iurvnv1k9m86f5m585esa@4ax.com>  D On 12 Feb 2001 19:44:06 -0500, rschaefe@gcfn.org (Robert F Schaefer) wrote:  J >Can anyone tell me what this means?  It's keeping my 4000M90 from bootingJ >unattended-- it just keeps repeating every few seconds, until I hold downJ >the reset button on the front.  Then it says `?? CRPT - Reenter bit clr',J >and after a few seconds, starts the selftest.  Perhaps a stuck bit in the >NVRAM?  Or a bad battery? >  >Thanks for any help!   A You elicited two responses to this when you asked the question in % comp.sys.dec on Jan 27.  Check there.    	John  --  
 John Laird   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:19:44 +0800 (CST)  From: mb64@asean-mail.com * Subject: ADV: High Search Engine Placement6 Message-ID: <200102131719.BAA28860@nc1.nc968.nc.jx.cn>   Removal instructions below.   # I saw your listing on the internet.   % I work for a company that specializes # in getting clients web sites listed ! as close to the top of the major   search engines as possible.   # Our fee is only $29.95 per month to ! submit your site at least twice a ! month to over 350 search engines   and directories.  $ To get started and put your web site$ in the fast lane, call our toll free
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 number below.      Mike Bender  888-532-8842    & To be removed call: 888-800-6339 X1377   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 13:23:53 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity H Message-ID: <y4ae7q3h5y.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  = Mark Garrett <Mark.Garrett@wedontwantyourspam.com.au> writes:   G >     A point that goes missing with a lot of people also is that group M > permission on UNIX maybe used to deny, access even though other (aka World)  > grant it. eg.  > < > -rwx---rwx   1 root     gcs            0 Feb  9 07:02 fred > G >     In this case every one except members of group gcs have access to  > Read/Write/eXecute fred )   N That is a feature of an implementation broken by design - it is missing basing set inclusion features.   K VMS ACLs can do this because their order is relevant for access control, in H contrast to the cheapskate copy in another very well-known OS (the one a# letter further on in the alphabet).    	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 13:21:38 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity H Message-ID: <y4d7cm3h9p.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  " Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:  J > I once heard a tale of Pathworks files which couldn't be deleted by the 8 > SYTEM account - solution - reinitialize the disk. Yuk.   I thought BYPASS bypasses that?    	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 09:27:47 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity 3 Message-ID: <FBSJn9zIgSRU@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <y4d7cm3h9p.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:$ > Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes: > K >> I once heard a tale of Pathworks files which couldn't be deleted by the  9 >> SYTEM account - solution - reinitialize the disk. Yuk.  > ! > I thought BYPASS bypasses that?   E Wouldn't be the first "system manager" that got BYPASS turned off and $ didn't know how to turn it on again.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:20:01 -0500 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity ( Message-ID: <96bq2h$b2d$1@pyrite.mv.net>  J Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote inJ message news:y4ae7q3h5y.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...? > Mark Garrett <Mark.Garrett@wedontwantyourspam.com.au> writes:  > I > >     A point that goes missing with a lot of people also is that group H > > permission on UNIX maybe used to deny, access even though other (aka World) > > grant it. eg.  > > > > > -rwx---rwx   1 root     gcs            0 Feb  9 07:02 fred > > I > >     In this case every one except members of group gcs have access to  > > Read/Write/eXecute fred )  > I > That is a feature of an implementation broken by design - it is missing  basing > set inclusion features.  > J > VMS ACLs can do this because their order is relevant for access control, inJ > contrast to the cheapskate copy in another very well-known OS (the one a% > letter further on in the alphabet).   I I could swear that I recently read (perhaps in the Win2K Resource thingy, K which I don't have at home) that ACE order was relevant there as well.  But  I could be mis-remembering.    - bill   >  > Jan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:24:42 -0500 2 From: "Michael Raspuzzi" <raspuzzi#msn.com.nospam>= Subject: Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90? ) Message-ID: <OGPxMCdlAHA.235@cpmsnbbsa09>   E "Jonathan McCormack" <McCormackJ@BelfastCity.Gov.UK> wrote in message ; news:MuAh6.9403$zz4.232837@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com... K > One of our clients wants to stop using LAT & DECNET on their network.  Is  itJ > possible to disable LAT and DECNET on a Decserver 90 and use just TCP/IP for  > terminal connections?  >   I The LAT software on the DECserver cannot be turned off.  It only kicks in K when a connect request at the Local> prompt is issued.  The way you get rid K of LAT on your network is to simply not run the LAT startup on your OpenVMS J systems.  With no LAT hosts, the terminal server will have no where to go.   Mike Former OpenVMS LAT developer   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 06:55:48 +0000 5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> 2 Subject: RE: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel.N Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B11C1@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  
 I always use: & http://w3.systranlinks.com/systran/cgi     -----Original Message-----% From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl] ( Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 6:37 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 Subject: Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel.         Paul Sture wrote:   H > An interesting interview of Capellas by Der Spiegel can be found here: > D > http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/0,1518,116970,00.html > G > In German, but I am too busy at the moment to do a proper translation H > into English tonight. I would probably get the wrong meaning somewhere
 > as well. >   > Anyone else care to have a go?    Maybe a nice job for Hoff ? :-))  @ But you don't miss very much if you haven't read this interview.     >  > ___  > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:31:18 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> 2 Subject: Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel., Message-ID: <3A88F0D6.575B30CD@infopuls.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------899EB1964154E6F0044EF779* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    Paul Sture wrote:  > H > An interesting interview of Capellas by Der Spiegel can be found here: > D > http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/0,1518,116970,00.html > G > In German, but I am too busy at the moment to do a proper translation H > into English tonight. I would probably get the wrong meaning somewhere
 > as well. >   > Anyone else care to have a go? > ___  > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland & --------------899EB1964154E6F0044EF779- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1;   name="capellas_spiegel.text"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  Content-Disposition: inline;!  filename="capellas_spiegel.text"   8 Someone has to do that. Although it is generally highly 7 recommended *not* to translate to a foreign language I  : dare it. I would be glad if someone is so kind to correct : my English. Because this needs some time it would be wise : to announce the activity right from the start that no two = people do the same. I should have done this with translation  = attempt but I didn't expect it would last about three hours.  < So I hope nobody started or even finished earlier because I 9 did it mostly at night (even for USamerican time zones).    F Here it goes - might the wisdom of Mr Capellas's words enlighten you!   8 [the texts in brackets like this are annotations by the >  translator and not by any means part of the original speech.]   10. Februar 2001  % C O M P A Q - C E O   C A P E L L A S   = "I'm the Cheerleader" ['Cheerleader' was also used in German]   B Compaq CEO Michael Capellas, 46, talking about the stock exchange * crash and the future of wireless Internet.  > SPIEGEL: Mr Capellas, in USamerican business publications you > pose like Rock star Bruce Springsteen [does anybody know this ; guy? Is he relevant?] with jeans [same word in German] and  ? e-guitar [? - maybe not related to e-business]. Why this topsy-  turvy [Klimbim]?  @ Capellas: My style is as a matter of fact very informal. I love A Rock music [a contradiction in itself: Rock and music] more than  @ everything else [at least more than VMS as we all know], I hear @ it all the time in my office [this would exlain something - the > guy is acting under drugs and obviously cannot concentrate on A work]. I want to show the people only: it is okay to have fun at  ? work [but the customers don't have fun with the results of the   work done in that environment].   @ S: And therefore the first thing you do in the morning when you = arrive at your office is to take your e-guitar and to let it  ! drone that everybody can hear it?   > C: Yes, sure. One thing is obvious: we are taking us much too > serious within business life, sometimes. We are working very, : very hard at Compaq but I try I try to show my co-workers @ [fucking employees]: you should have fun, you should relax. I'm % the cheerleader of the whole company.   = S: At the Wall street you have been suspected also. When you  > were invited to be the CEO of Compaq in mid of 1999 the stock / quote went down, crashed. Why did this happend?   @ C: Nobody did know me then. Would I've been a shareholder I had  reacted the same way.   > S: Isn't the stock quote of the biggest PC [here is the other ) word] manufacturer a measure for success?   A C: At the end of the day all what we're doing is related somehow  C to the shareholder value. But I regard my employees more important  A than the stock quote. I can influence their motivation directly,  < the behaviour of the bourse is out of my direct control. If A content employees take care of customer's needs Wall street will  7 notice sometime - and this will affect the stock quote.   @ S: A lot of CEOs look the whole day at the stock quote of their ( company. You say that this is a mistake.  = C: This is definitely unhealthy. When the markets started in  = December to go mad I decided: I will look at our stock quote  < only once a week [Friday or Monday?]. Especially in the USA @ the focus at the stock quote, its daily, even hourly changes is @ totally exaggerated. Nevertheless we are interested to increase B the property of our shareholders on the long term, it's basically  them who own the company.   A S: When you started at Compaq they were regarded as some sort of  > bureaucracy, the company lost billions. How did you cope with  this rigid system?  C C: The old structures had to be broken [the old song, bla bla bla]. B Therefore I first divided the company into five clearly separated ? business units: from the PC for home usage to high end servers  A and services. Today for every employee it is clear which are his  A or her segments of the market, these are his or her competitors.  D Secondly I challanged them: halfen the time for product development D [by doubling the rate of mistakes], create the best design [because C design is more important than engineering]. For compaq who haven't n@ learned to always think about their customers this was a shock. = But it payed off: today we are producing the most innovative tC products in the history of our company [unfortunately this history d@ is very short and there are other companies producing even more = innovative products], especially headed along our customer's r wishes.   > S: Your slogan, you started with wasn't very innovative: "All > (in)to the Internet" [I don't know the original slogan]. This 4 could be said by every CEO even in other industries.  B C: I wanted to wake up the people, I wanted to give them a vision.? All 69'000 employees received a small card with the slogan [it t@ is not clear from the German wording if the slogan were printed @ on the said cards or if the person who handed out the card said < the slogan at this very moment] on which the most important = parts of the new strategy have been printed. Everyone should  ? focus at the Internet. And it worked we made extreme progress. -  Even the bourse understood that.  > S: Even though the risk remains that Compaq looses focus with  their broad range of products.  > C: Yes, and therefore we have to focus with each product line ? exactly to the respective market. Take for the moment our high l> end servers for the financial business: practical every stock @ exchange runs on our servers. Or take our Alpha supercomputers, = which are targeted at four market areas: telecommunications,  ? financial services, big e-business providers and life science.  0 We one six of the seven last supercomputer bids.  ; S: Despite of this Compaq owns a bad reputation in Europe, n9 especially in the PC business. Customers are complaining  , because of faulty technique, sloppy service.  B C: This is due to the fact that the Europeans are always a little @ bit more skeptical than the USamericans [bravo, this could be a @ Micro$oft "definition" - he should try Japan ... ]. Escpecially A in Germany you have patiently to prove who much you have changed S? your business practices. But for a half year we are doing much p= better, the selling numbers within the last quarter are even e
 excellent.  / S: Could someone earn money with the PC at all?s  @ C: This is getting harder every time. The classical PC industry A is changing to the traditional economy of information technique,  ? it's turning towards yesterday's history. Our task won't be to  A put any clumsy/bold boxes on the people's desks. Instead we have oB to develop a completely new generation of Internet access devices C - some of them wireless, some of them for specialised requirements.b  $ S: How will these devices look like?  @ C: A first step is the iPaq a small palmtop which we sell since < a few months. It is nearly bigger than a palm but almost as ? powerful as a desktop PC [not as my Alpha] addionally equipped  A with Internet access and all apps you have normally installed on  > a non mobile computer. Soon we will offer mobile devices with ; which you can download video from the Web. Or the Internet s@ appliances which are used for listening to Rock songs [there is > definitely a problem with the range of offerings - only Rock].  ; S: Does this mean that we could throw away our HiFi stereo 1 equipment soon?o  A C: I already did this. In my house in Houston I'm testing at the 7? moment the protype of a wireless jukebox which is only half as eA big as a sheet of paper [he obviously doesn't look at the height /@ which could express that he only a 2-dimensional person - wrong B in music is obviously a 1-dimensional person], capable of loading B 2100 songs [the number hours and the quality would have been much A more intersting technical facts] which I downloaded from the Web  < [napster, napster, hamster ... ]. The wireless devices will A become step by step the connection links to non-mobile installed e= servers which are located anywhere in the office or at home. lB Already 2002 we will have devices with natural language detection @ where the voice can be used to command them. This is exactly in  the car important.  ? S: Your rival Michael Dell puts his mony nevertheless into the y< PC business. Don't you feel any fear that he might overhaul   Compaq as leader in PC business?  : C: We are defending our market shares not for themselves. ? Therefore we won't fritter in struggling a price war with Dell. ; After the hyperinflation of the internet shares is gone we e? encounter OTH that basic things like earnings and profits [the  ? German text uses "Gewinn" and "Profit" which are essential the s< same] come back again to beeing payed attention to. PCs are > contributing less than a half to our turnover anyway. Instead : the business with high end storage systems and servers is  developing much faster.   @ S: Dell obviously have an advantage in costs. They sell 100% of < their PCs directly to the customer normally by means of the + Internet, whereas at Compaq it is only 40%..  A C: Do you really trust that Dells numbers are correct? They also o@ use dealers in special business areas. Of course the Web awsome A supports to make delivery through our dealers more efficient and [B faster. We use an automatic internet based system to order needed ? parts and we dramatically reduced the number of parts we store I@ locally [just in time production]. But at the end it aren't the @ producers who give the rules instead the customers define them. > And 70% of these customers want to buy their computers from a = dealer or from other delivery channels. By that we can could e! cover a much bigger market share.h  > S: Isn't the delivery channel the area where the battle about . the PC market will come to its final decision?  C C: No, I don't think so. All PC assemblers use the same components  > for their PCs, put together the same sort of parts. The order A goes directly to Taiwan from where the computer travels directly Y@ to the customer. This means that two percent of margin upon the ? delivery costs are not important. More important in the future rA will be: what do I have to spend to get new customers? This will e be decisive for the whole war.  @ S: Your Internet strategy isn't directly supported by the crash B of the Internet stock quotes. Did you put your money on the wrong = horse? [Is this also an English idiomatic saying for a wrong d9 strategic decision? It came from betting at horse races.]m  = C: The stock quote crash has mostly a psychologial effect no y@ real. The noise about the Internet companies detracts your view ? from reality: if General Motors goes into the Web is that much f< more important than a dozen of start-ups who order a server.  @ S: Nonetheless you will feel the crash of USamerican economy in  your selling volume.  @ C: Of course we will! In 2000 Compaq had a turnover increase of @ 10%. In the first half of the new year we will only reach about A 5% where we suppose a zero growth rate in the first three months f before it will go up later.A  ? S: What should the new USamerican government do about the risk n5 of a soon coming recession? [Capellas for president!]t  B C: It's pretty obvious: interest rates down, taxes down [question C is whose taxes - the ones of the poor man or of the wealthy people o? or of the companies], stabilise the energy costs. But for that  B the president doesn't need my advice. I think that George W. Bush  knows what he has to do.  E INTERVIEW [same word in German]: JAN DIRK HERBERMANN, ULRICH SCHFER h    SPIEGEL ONLINE 06/2001  ? Copying only with the permission of the SPIEGELnet AG [AG is a   company on shares]  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------? I would pay a month salary to get the original text in English  A from which the German text version is obviously a translation as  @ I don't expect Mr Capellas to be able to speak German. Maybe he @ is a member of the honorable society like Mauro Guiliani is and * Frank Sinatra was and understands Italian.@ ----------------------------------------------------------------  ( --------------899EB1964154E6F0044EF779--   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:50:55 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>n2 Subject: Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel., Message-ID: <3A88F56F.505FCDFE@infopuls.com>   Paul Sture wrote:n > H > An interesting interview of Capellas by Der Spiegel can be found here: > D > http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/0,1518,116970,00.html > G > In German, but I am too busy at the moment to do a proper translationDH > into English tonight. I would probably get the wrong meaning somewhere
 > as well. >   > Anyone else care to have a go? > ___D > Paul Sture
 > Switzerlandn  ? I would pay a month salary to get the original text in English cA from which the German text version is obviously a translation as M@ I don't expect Mr Capellas to be able to speak German. Maybe he @ is a member of the honorable society like Mauro Guiliani is and * Frank Sinatra was and understands Italian.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:42:20 +0000c% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 2 Subject: Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel.8 Message-ID: <o37i8tk6nu91ai258d7f9kuhb2sq2tjdb5@4ax.com>  2 On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:31:18 +0000, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:3   >Paul Sture wrote: >> fI >> An interesting interview of Capellas by Der Spiegel can be found here:d >> VE >> http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/0,1518,116970,00.htmlo >>  H >> In German, but I am too busy at the moment to do a proper translationI >> into English tonight. I would probably get the wrong meaning somewhere  >> as well.h  F I love the translations provided by altavista and freetranslation.com.D Sentences like (I paraphtrase slighly): "I pose like that skirt starD Bruce Springsteen. I love skirt music and I have it on all the time.8 It is ok to have joke in the office. I am  cheerleader "  + Is Michael trying to tell us something? :-)M     -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:52:24 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>o2 Subject: Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel.8 Message-ID: <ul7i8t4t2uo8d3m67tures1t8atgprh0dc@4ax.com>  2 On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:31:18 +0000, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:u   >Paul Sture wrote: >> uI >> An interesting interview of Capellas by Der Spiegel can be found here:u >> aE >> http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/0,1518,116970,00.htmlu >> a  G >Here it goes - might the wisdom of Mr Capellas's words enlighten you! o >o9 >[the texts in brackets like this are annotations by the t? > translator and not by any means part of the original speech.]i >  >10. Februar 2001b > & >C O M P A Q - C E O   C A P E L L A S >p  ? >SPIEGEL: Mr Capellas, in USamerican business publications you o? >pose like Rock star Bruce Springsteen [does anybody know this l< >guy? Is he relevant?] with jeans [same word in German] and   ? You really don't know who "Born in the USA" Springsteen is? Try/ www.brucespringsteen.com    A >S: Your Internet strategy isn't directly supported by the crash  C >of the Internet stock quotes. Did you put your money on the wrong a> >horse? [Is this also an English idiomatic saying for a wrong : >strategic decision? It came from betting at horse races.]  C Yes, betting on the wrong horse is perfectly acceptable in English.      -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 08:54:53 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)2 Subject: Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel.3 Message-ID: <MObh5Zbbz5PG@eisner.encompasserve.org>C  N In article <VA.000002a2.3ec96573@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:H > An interesting interview of Capellas by Der Spiegel can be found here: > D > http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/0,1518,116970,00.html > H > In German, but I am too busy at the moment to do a proper translation I > into English tonight. I would probably get the wrong meaning somewhere s
 > as well. >   > Anyone else care to have a go?  F Ran it through Altavista Translations (is that still via Babelfish?). C Good for a laugh (barrier Street), and doesn't translate the entire = article but what I get out of it (which depends highly on theaE translations useablility and my own feeble understanding of tehcnicala German) is:s  H   Der Speigel's interviewer is mostly interested in how Compaq is doing -   as a PC company, using Dell as a benchmark.s  I   Capellas claims PCs are not Compaq's sole future, sighting Alpha, iPaq, H   and wireless Internet appliances.  He's dumped his own stereo in favor#   of a (wireless?) audio appliance.i  H   Capellas defends Compaq from charges the company is not well reguarded>   in Europe, discussing recovery from the effects of a strike.  1   Capellas does not mention any software by name.-  .   Cappellas thinks G.W.B. can fix the economy.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation.= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingi   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Feb 2001 15:07:35 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)n2 Subject: Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel.0 Message-ID: <96bijn$63u$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  j In article <MObh5Zbbz5PG@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:O >In article <VA.000002a2.3ec96573@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:-I >> An interesting interview of Capellas by Der Spiegel can be found here:h >> eE >> http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/0,1518,116970,00.htmln >>  I >> In German, but I am too busy at the moment to do a proper translation  J >> into English tonight. I would probably get the wrong meaning somewhere  >> as well.  >> n! >> Anyone else care to have a go?  >uG >Ran it through Altavista Translations (is that still via Babelfish?). aD >Good for a laugh (barrier Street), and doesn't translate the entire> >article but what I get out of it (which depends highly on theF >translations useablility and my own feeble understanding of tehcnical >German) is: >fI >  Der Speigel's interviewer is mostly interested in how Compaq is doing e. >  as a PC company, using Dell as a benchmark. >rJ >  Capellas claims PCs are not Compaq's sole future, sighting Alpha, iPaq,I >  and wireless Internet appliances.  He's dumped his own stereo in favor $ >  of a (wireless?) audio appliance.  F He downloaded 2100 songs from the Internet onto this widget and is now7 listening ;-)  Thus, no need for any connection at all.rL He mentions that the main profit for Compaq came out of the server business.  I >  Capellas defends Compaq from charges the company is not well reguardedl? >  in Europe, discussing recovery from the effects of a strike.c  G No, it is more general. He sais that one shouldn't look too much at the M shareholder value which he claims is currently the case in the US. Looking at-J the company's business is more important and will increase the shareholderN value in the long run. He claims that Compaq already did a good job during theL last ten months, that this is well aknowledged in the US but it takes a long time to convince wary Germans.  2 >  Capellas does not mention any software by name. >l/ >  Cappellas thinks G.W.B. can fix the economy.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmanne  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 09:25:13 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)4 Subject: Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences?3 Message-ID: <yMy+x+hsBWd$@eisner.encompasserve.org>9  E In article <96a5qe$2hh$1@news.netmar.com>, jj_usenet@mail.com writes:e > M > CDE is my daily work environment.  Running FileView in it gives me the besth) > of both the new and the old DECwindows.i  H I take it you don't use ODS-5.  I find it highly amusing that UNIX-basedG CDE was munged on VMS to the point it's file manager can't see a.b.c or   even Able.dat, but FileView can.  F I found the detailed instructions for adding tools to my desktop iconsF impossible to follow under CDE.  It was true under HP-UX where CDE wasH born and remains so under VMS.  Even simple things like dragging the BNU4 icon into a dashboard "add icon" slot is unreliable.  I On the other hand the Java based PDF viewer seems to demand CDE.  It will E blow away MWM when run with it.  Fortunately MWM comes back when JPDF A exists, and I've got enough sense to use XPDF instead when I can.n  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationn= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupdE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingv   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:36:47 -0500a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)4 Subject: Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1302011036480001@user-2ive6er.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <96a5qe$2hh$1@news.netmar.com>, jj_usenet@mail.com wrote:  I > Much of the functionality of the original DECwindows session manager isdM > still available even if you're using the new CDE session manager if you runsJ > DECwindows FileView (sys$system:vue$master.exe).  You can start it via aJ > DECterm, CDE icon or whatever you're comfortable with.  Once FileView isG > running you can just leave it with the default FileView appearance oreF > customize it via the Options menu to get it more like the DECwindowsF > Session Manager.  If you want the default DECwindows Session ManagerN > appearance, you can select Session Manager as FileView from the Views menu. M > Just be sure to add a Quit to the Session menu via the Menus... function ofs > the Options menu.f > F > If you've customized any of the FileView command files or made otherB > Fileview customizations, they'll work fine in the FileView mode.   Thanks.  Lots of useful hints.   -- h Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 17:04:20 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)4 Subject: Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences?* Message-ID: <3a895b04$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  j In article <yMy+x+hsBWd$@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:J >On the other hand the Java based PDF viewer seems to demand CDE.  It willF >blow away MWM when run with it.  Fortunately MWM comes back when JPDFB >exists, and I've got enough sense to use XPDF instead when I can.  ) Not on my systems ! Still, no CDE here...t  B Performance is awful, it consumes a LOT of resources, but it works9 (though unfortunately only on the faster/bigger systems). % I also had to increase BYTLM a lot...    -- e< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888-< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:34:34 -0300h) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br 4 Subject: Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences?L Message-ID: <OF0DB3B1A0.48CAE82A-ON032569F2.00603082@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  B I am using CDE here in both machines (Alpha 4100 5/600 + 4GB RAM).D No problem with performance anymore: I am connected at 100 MBits :-)D But I feel there is a lack of bundled applications in DECW to manageA OpenVMS..... What I do more is to run MONITOR, RMU, etc ... whichn+ are character based ! Ok they work fine !!!c  9 If OpenVMS has a graphical interface, why not create more0$ management applications in Motif ???  : And why there is not a MONITOR TCPIP if there is a MONITOR DECNET ?   Regards    FC            ; eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) em 13/02/2001 14:04:20n  " Favor responder a eplan@kapsch.net             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como      4 Assunto: Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences?    3 In article <yMy+x+hsBWd$@eisner.encompasserve.org>,t6 koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:J >On the other hand the Java based PDF viewer seems to demand CDE.  It willF >blow away MWM when run with it.  Fortunately MWM comes back when JPDFB >exists, and I've got enough sense to use XPDF instead when I can.  ) Not on my systems ! Still, no CDE here...h  B Performance is awful, it consumes a LOT of resources, but it works9 (though unfortunately only on the faster/bigger systems). % I also had to increase BYTLM a lot...n   --< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-8884< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 13:11:49 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>a  Subject: Re: CHANNELCNT questionH Message-ID: <y4itme3hq2.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes:  M > How is backup performance affected when you reduce CHANNELCNT to, say, 512?u  L It dies a horrible death, usually with an access violation (or has that beenM fixed by now?). The problem is that it tries to open a file, sees that it caneM not, and then tries to print a message saying so...for that to happen, it hasdI to map SYSMGTMSG.EXE, which requires another channel...oops, I've done itp again! e  I Similar enjoyable things happen running out of other resources. It's verycJ difficult to recover gracefully. (It's possible, even for a greedy BACKUP,N but you have to think carefully of possible failure scenarios and pre-allocateM things for the error and resource exhaustion cases, which makes a little lesssJ efficient use of available resources. And it's a lot of work. Probably not+ highes on VMS engineering's priority list.)    	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 13:14:34 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>   Subject: Re: CHANNELCNT questionH Message-ID: <y4g0hi3hlh.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:G  G > But today, the LINK command crashed  due to insufficcient CHANNELCNT.   D That LINK command must be something. It has more than 200 files open" simultaneously! What is it doing!?  J I seem to remember a bug in the LIBRARIAN RTL code that didn't close filesN properly. Is yours a typical Unix lik command, reading the same libraries over and over again?o   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:03:56 -0300h) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br , Subject: Compaq grew up 24% in Latin AmericaL Message-ID: <OF52045D45.ED2D0614-ON032569F2.0062FE47@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Well  ; These numbers sounds good for PC sales .... just this ! ! !hF I prefer dont tell my personal  comments until now (13-FEB-2001) ! ! !   Lets see ......    Regardsd   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:18:43 +0000s% From: Alan Greig <alan_greig@fmc.com>N" Subject: Re: Customer presentation8 Message-ID: <7i3i8tk6abr4i900jau1cpdsan3cmu5g9c@4ax.com>  3 On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:44:51 -0500, "Sue Skonetski"-# <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote:-     >-I >As far as the comments regarding Northern light, OpenVMS was prominentlyrM >displayed on their web site for almost a year, they decided to refresh theirtD >web site, that's all.  And as much as we would love to have OpenVMSH >displayed on all our customers and partners web site, we do not control >their actions.    Sue,  4 I've just visited www.northernlight.com and the logo   Compaq- Powered by Compaq OpenVMS Alphaserver Systems-  D is clearly displayed on the website in front of the Barnes and NobleE and Price Waterhouse logos. Only the logos for Intel and Worldcom aretB displayed earlier. I have a vague recollection the logo might have? been directly under the NorthernLight logo at one point but far A smaller than the current one towards the bottom. I might be wrongu< about that though. Clicking the banner takes you directly to* www.openvms.compaq.com/northernlight.html   B And as far as no control is concerned my guess is that $50 million9 dollars sponsorship could get it displayed full page ;-)     >D   -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Feb 2001 14:29:48 GMT! From: markdiaz@aol.com (MarkDiaz)G* Subject: Re: Efficiency in processing bits: Message-ID: <20010213092948.02009.00001988@nso-ma.aol.com>  6 In article <3A8865D9.DDA15BDB@videotron.ca>, JF wrote:   >Hoff Hoffman wrote:# >> :Depends on what you want to do.a > O >essentially Huffman decompression of inbound faxes. Each "word" has a variable  >number of bits .@ >gH >For instance, if the previous pattern was white dots, and you encounter >"1 1"C >next, then you know that 11  corresponds to a set of 2 black dots.+ >0J >But if the previouys pattern was black dots, and you encoubter "1 1" thenM >you need to read more bits because it could be a number of combinations (forVA >instance 1100 if 5 white dots, 1110 is 6, 110101 is 15 etc etc).h >o  L In my experiance, this sort of processing is best done _without_  extractingO the bits from the data stream. To process a byte at a time, code a finite stateaO machine with one state for each possible value of a byte, and branch-to or call.G the associated routine based on the input byte value in the manner mostrL effecient for the language/processor you are using (e.g., a CASE instructionO (jump table) on VAX, or an array of code or procedure addresses in higher levelmM languages). Define the state variables you need to keep enough context (e.g.,eK previous- pattern, pattern-in-progress). Then hand code action routines forCO each state based on the bit pattern. If the input stream is not a multiple of 8hO bits, you will need special end-of-stream code or perhaps to can make the inputlE an integral number of bytes and discard the last pattern-in-progress.   O This trades the processing time for extracting 8 bits with the time it takes tosO branch/call for one byte. Additionally, the resulting code (as is typically themJ case for state machines) is usually straightforward and easy to verify and	 maintain.o  	 Mark Diaze markdiaz@aol.com   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 00:56:49 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>* Subject: Re: Efficiency in processing bits- Message-ID: <87g0hifrn2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:g   > Hoff Hoffman wrote: $ > > :Depends on what you want to do. > P > essentially Huffman decompression of inbound faxes. Each "word" has a variable > number of bits .  E Get the TIFF stuff, and look at the Huffman fax3 and T4 encode/decodes there.   -- d< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.?@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 15:20:15 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>:* Subject: Re: Extension file header detailsH Message-ID: <y4wvauekbk.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  N I _think_ what you have to do is pick out the FID of the extension header, and5 ask the XQP to open that one and give you the header.    	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 22:55:32 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Google buys Dejao- Message-ID: <87wvaufx97.fsf@prep.synonet.com>g  4 young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:   > 	As I duck and cover...u > @ > 	I read a bit about what got handed over.  The old archives is> > 	the only great part I see so far.  I've been wanting to dig@ > 	through them for a while.  We have lost a lot of information < > 	with "only" May 15, 1999 to the present being accessible. > C > 	The fact you can't seem to get to anything sure isn't that greato
 > 	at all.  0 That getting better, it was Aug 2000 last night.  H They stated they are adding ALL the old DJ news archive, and are working% on getting the posting etc back ASAP.s   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:47:16 +0000m- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>- Subject: Re: Google buys Dejao) Message-ID: <3A896514.7D48F8C9@bbc.co.uk>i   Paul Repacholi wrote:G  6 > young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: >   > >       As I duck and cover... > >mG > >       I read a bit about what got handed over.  The old archives isFE > >       the only great part I see so far.  I've been wanting to dignF > >       through them for a while.  We have lost a lot of informationC > >       with "only" May 15, 1999 to the present being accessible.n > >sJ > >       The fact you can't seem to get to anything sure isn't that great > >       at all.c >72 > That getting better, it was Aug 2000 last night. > J > They stated they are adding ALL the old DJ news archive, and are working' > on getting the posting etc back ASAP.n  K It did remember my my-deja password reminder question but then wouldn't letn' me in after resetting the password :-(.n  I IMHO the recent transition egroups->yahoogroups is as seamless as it gets 
 and should) be an example for all doing similar work.    Regardsa  -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.i   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 08:17:30 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen).* Subject: Re: Great DCL emulator for NT (1)3 Message-ID: <nWxOxIDGpmMv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <AN0i6.26276$gb1.1004685@news4.aus1.giganews.com>, "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com> writes:. > Being a long time VMS user, I would normally   > begin 666 vcl2.jpg? > M_]C_X `02D9)1@`!`@````````#_P `1" )-`W<#`2(``A$!`Q$!_]L`0P`! ? > M`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$"`@$!`@$!`0("   9 Please don't send binary (or long source) to comp.os.vms.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:20:41 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) * Subject: Re: Great DCL emulator for NT (1)0 Message-ID: <009F7926.B2D8FC6B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <nWxOxIDGpmMv@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:rs >In article <AN0i6.26276$gb1.1004685@news4.aus1.giganews.com>, "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com> writes: / >> Being a long time VMS user, I would normallyn >n >> begin 666 vcl2.jpg @ >> M_]C_X `02D9)1@`!`@````````#_P `1" )-`W<#`2(``A$!`Q$!_]L`0P`!@ >> M`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$!`0$"`@$!`@$!`0(" >-: >Please don't send binary (or long source) to comp.os.vms.  E Do not discuss this topic here period!  It is likely to erode into a  A billboarding blitz for other "sleazy" warez for PeeCee scripting.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:14:53 +00003- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>(* Subject: Re: Great DCL emulator for NT (3)( Message-ID: <3A894F6D.F323B72@bbc.co.uk>   William Hymen wrote:  4 > VCL is sold at http://www.bosbc.com (978) 725-32222 > by Maureen White, Corporate Sales, maw@bosbc.com > It's only $280 a copy. >l > Screen shot 3) >t' > VCL also supports a full range of DCLE' > commands.  Here, the diff/par command-& > compares a file on the a: drive with& > one on the c: drive, in standard DCL > diff format. >c
 >  [Image]  < Last time I looked it was VMS 5.5 style lexicals and syntax.   Does it support PIPE now?s   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofa MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:06:01 -0500M# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> * Subject: Re: Great DCL emulator for NT (3)+ Message-ID: <3A897789.45D85451@hsc.vcu.edu>-  v There's also XLNT for nt to look like vms...  we bought it, but as things turned out, our migration from vms/ingres to+ NT/powerbuilder/sql server failed miserablyd       Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > William Hymen wrote: > 6 > > VCL is sold at http://www.bosbc.com (978) 725-32224 > > by Maureen White, Corporate Sales, maw@bosbc.com > > It's only $280 a copy. > >u > > Screen shot 3) > >I) > > VCL also supports a full range of DCLn) > > commands.  Here, the diff/par commandm( > > compares a file on the a: drive with( > > one on the c: drive, in standard DCL > > diff format. > >c > >  [Image] > > > Last time I looked it was VMS 5.5 style lexicals and syntax. >  > Does it support PIPE now?n >  > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uka > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofv > MedAS or the BBC.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:39:05 GMTa& From: "Rick Cadruvi" <rick@rdperf.com>4 Subject: Re: Great DCL emulator for NT (3) -  NOT!!!8 Message-ID: <dbfi6.432$gK4.173682@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>  K VCL does NOT work on Windows.  I just asked Maureen that question.  It is au UNIXI product.  I have been asking this for awhile because I would love to haven it.  I use the EDT+i- product on Windows and am VERY happy with it.    Rick Cadruvi...e    0 "Jim Agnew" <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> wrote in message% news:3A897789.45D85451@hsc.vcu.edu...0K > There's also XLNT for nt to look like vms...  we bought it, but as thingsE, turned out, our migration from vms/ingres to- > NT/powerbuilder/sql server failed miserablye >M >+ >W > Tim Llewellyn wrote: > >  > > William Hymen wrote: > >g8 > > > VCL is sold at http://www.bosbc.com (978) 725-32226 > > > by Maureen White, Corporate Sales, maw@bosbc.com > > > It's only $280 a copy. > > >o > > > Screen shot 3) > > >a+ > > > VCL also supports a full range of DCLw+ > > > commands.  Here, the diff/par commandD* > > > compares a file on the a: drive with* > > > one on the c: drive, in standard DCL > > > diff format. > > >  > > >  [Image] > >)@ > > Last time I looked it was VMS 5.5 style lexicals and syntax. > >T > > Does it support PIPE now?1 > >6 > > --: > > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project4 > > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.E > > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke > >"E > > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of0 > > MedAS or the BBC.q   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Feb 2001 12:10:57 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)F- Subject: How to analyze a DECserver dumpfile?g0 Message-ID: <96b88h$2aj$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hello,  N the subject says it all: how do I view a dumpfile produced by a DECserver 700?/ Or can it be converted into something readable?a   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanns  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:50:04 +0000o- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>o8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours) Message-ID: <3A892D7C.E640C6B5@bbc.co.uk>   G Christof Brass wrote: :-) play guitar? I defined a new standard of whati guitar playing  ; > is otherwise he wouldn't regarded as "playing guitar". Het@ > established an unbeaten record: the most songs with the fewest > different chords.u  A Dylan could play decent lead too when he wanted too. Now, whether * he can still sing, thats another question.  7 Tim, who got over his Dynlan phase in the 80's, really.-     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uki  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofb MedAS or the BBC.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:50:41 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>y8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours) Message-ID: <3A892DA1.22365FC7@bbc.co.uk>.   Christof Brass wrote:b  D > T :-) play guitar? I defined a new standard of what guitar playing; > is otherwise he wouldn't regarded as "playing guitar". Her@ > established an unbeaten record: the most songs with the fewest > different chords.i  7 hey, how many chords ydo you hear in hip hop and d'n'b?f     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukt  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:07:53 +0000 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours8 Message-ID: <abqi8tsriclb9m88cjpjdv1lmk5k2ocd91@4ax.com>  1 On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:50:41 +0000, Tim Llewellyn-  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:   >Christof Brass wrote: >aE >> T :-) play guitar? I defined a new standard of what guitar playingc< >> is otherwise he wouldn't regarded as "playing guitar". HeA >> established an unbeaten record: the most songs with the fewest@ >> different chords. > 8 >hey, how many chords ydo you hear in hip hop and d'n'b?  E Duh ?  Don't you remember the "how old is everyone thread" ?!  But if0G you are offering enlightenment, I can curious to know when r'n'b ceasedb to mean rhythm and blues ;-)   	Johnt -- e
 John Laird   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:18:41 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>-8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours) Message-ID: <3A896C70.34E4DD73@bbc.co.uk>j   John Laird wrote:4  3 > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:50:41 +0000, Tim Llewellyn0" > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote: >> > : > >hey, how many chords ydo you hear in hip hop and d'n'b? > G > Duh ?  Don't you remember the "how old is everyone thread" ?!  But if!I > you are offering enlightenment, I can curious to know when r'n'b ceased  > to mean rhythm and blues ;-) >0  F hey, thats d'n'b, for drum and bass, and if you expect modern r'n'b to sound H anything like Chuck Berry, Dr Feelgood, Johnny Guitar Watson or whatever	 you gotta:K suprise in store. I would be suprised if Destiny's Child even knew what the  bluest was.  G Hey, I even thought swing music was what Glenn Miller and his Orchestrai played,e@ and garage was pre-punk american teen guitar noise. Think again.    H Tim, 38 and proud of it, at least I got to hear some decent music when IG was young. Well, I actually still do, but Congolese rumba ain't exactlyu
 mainstream on this continent.   Regardso    --h6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:32:28 -0600a+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>b8 Subject: RE: It's the end for VMS and other Wild RumoursL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0BDD534B@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: Tim Llewellyn [mailto:tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk]  H > hey, thats d'n'b, for drum and bass, and if you expect modern r'n'b to > sound-? > anything like Chuck Berry, Dr Feelgood, Johnny Guitar Watson k
 > or whatever: > you gottac@ > suprise in store. I would be suprised if Destiny's Child even  > knew what the  > bluese > was.  K I'd be surprised if most older rnb artists knew what the blues was -- well,aK not really, I'd expect them to know _about_ it, but not to have anything toED do with it.  They're really two completely different musical styles.  I How much rnb do you know that sounds anything like Robert Johnson, Alberto% Collins... Albert King, Howlin' Wolf?   E The current "rnb," though doesn't deserve the description of "musical , style," and is more properly "radio fodder."  @ > Hey, I even thought swing music was what Glenn Miller and his  > Orchestra 	 > played,i  L Glenn Miller did play swing -- although I wouldn't hold him up as a shinningG example. :) I'm curious to know where you got the dissenting opinion onsK that?  Is there some sort of "new swing" movement?  That would amuse me fors days.l  > > Tim, 38 and proud of it, at least I got to hear some decent  > music when I< > was young. Well, I actually still do, but Congolese rumba  > ain't exactlyg > mainstream > on this continent.  > I hear plenty of good music, but I have to work hard at it. :)  ! Ok, that certainly was off topic.v   Regards,   Chrisk  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  'u  t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:57:05 +0000e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> ( Subject: Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem) Message-ID: <3A892F20.B934AC70@bbc.co.uk>i   JF Mezei wrote:i  $ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > >cL > > Not to be picky, but control-O doesn't cover error messages. If an errorN > > occurs, the output resumes, so you only lose genuine output. I did specify' > > output "that you don't care about".- >-P > You are assuming that the "error occurs" will trigger the undoing of <CTRL-O>.J > However, if the program outputs with printf statements, then nothing theJ > program outputs will cause output to resume. So Control-O isn't so safe.  5 nah, your program is broken if it doesn't LIB$SIGNAL.    Regards, vms bigot   :-)s   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 03:11:53 -0500 0 From: "Sharkonwheels" <tonym@compusourceDOT.net> Subject: More newbie questions, Message-ID: <X76i6.180$wR4.201684@news4.mco>  ! If I drive ya crazy, let me know!e    Junior here is learning, though.  $ Built my first cluster. Now, I have:  / Cobra    VS4000/90A  192.168.100.201    VMS 7.2a3 Jetta       VS4000/90    192.168.100.202    VMS 7.2k2 Golf       VS4000/60    192.168.100.203    VMS 7.23 Beetle    VS3200         192.168.100.204    VMS 7.2g  @ All in a cluster. Now, in the net configuration, I set up Naming? as: (Local,Domain). Where do I set up the Nameserver addresses?y.  As in the server he goes to to resolve names?  ; The gateway for all 4 machines is 192.168.100.254, which isc6 a Win2000AdvSrv running RRAS+NAT, with a PPPoE dialer,A and DNS server. But, the only thing I have left, is to set up thea5 default nameserver. On unix, I would make an entry inb> /etc/resolv.conf, and in Solaris I'd have to also touch up the? nsswitch.conf file. but, where is this done in VMS? I've lookedb2 in NET$CONFIGURE and TCPIP$CONFIG, but the closest> thing I can find, is the BIND server in TCPIP$CONFIG, but that ain't quite it!!  > Thanks in advance. I'm enjoying the learning. The 3200 w/ Qbus was an absolutely fun time.g    ; Also, I'm re-doing 'Golf', and was wondering...is there any = advantage I'd gain from using a Non-DEC TCP/IP stack? TCPware1>  or MultiNet to be precise? Can someone explain the difference< between the two, as well as between OVMS 7.2's TCP/IP stack?? Would I lose compatibility with anything by using a Non-DEC-VMSa
 TCP/IP stack?   B I still remember the pre-Win95 days, when a stack didn't ship with? desktop OS's, and TCP/IP stacks grew on damn trees. Wollongong,c PCTCP, Novell kits, etc.....       Thanks._ Tony   tonymATcompusourceDOTnet   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:39:45 -0700a& From: Jim Mehlhop <jmehlhop@qwest.net>" Subject: Re: More newbie questions) Message-ID: <3A895541.352751AB@qwest.net>t   Sharkonwheels wrote:  # > If I drive ya crazy, let me know!  >i" > Junior here is learning, though. >5& > Built my first cluster. Now, I have: > 1 > Cobra    VS4000/90A  192.168.100.201    VMS 7.2t5 > Jetta       VS4000/90    192.168.100.202    VMS 7.2h4 > Golf       VS4000/60    192.168.100.203    VMS 7.25 > Beetle    VS3200         192.168.100.204    VMS 7.2, >dB > All in a cluster. Now, in the net configuration, I set up NamingA > as: (Local,Domain). Where do I set up the Nameserver addresses? 0 >  As in the server he goes to to resolve names? >r= > The gateway for all 4 machines is 192.168.100.254, which is 8 > a Win2000AdvSrv running RRAS+NAT, with a PPPoE dialer,C > and DNS server. But, the only thing I have left, is to set up thee7 > default nameserver. On unix, I would make an entry ini@ > /etc/resolv.conf, and in Solaris I'd have to also touch up theA > nsswitch.conf file. but, where is this done in VMS? I've looked 4 > in NET$CONFIGURE and TCPIP$CONFIG, but the closest@ > thing I can find, is the BIND server in TCPIP$CONFIG, but that > ain't quite it!!  B Never done it with TCP/IP for VMS.  Only Multinet and TCPware. :-)   >p >@@ > Thanks in advance. I'm enjoying the learning. The 3200 w/ Qbus > was an absolutely fun time.i >H= > Also, I'm re-doing 'Golf', and was wondering...is there any ? > advantage I'd gain from using a Non-DEC TCP/IP stack? TCPware9@ >  or MultiNet to be precise? Can someone explain the difference> > between the two, as well as between OVMS 7.2's TCP/IP stack?  F The stacks are pretty similar but Multinet 4.3 and the new TCPware 5.5G (currently in beta) include SSH support for additional security.  SincerE I work for the manufacturer of those I am not going to get into we're G faster/better mode as no one would believe me anyway.  I'll leave thosee  comparisons up to the customers.   >>A > Would I lose compatibility with anything by using a Non-DEC-VMS  > TCP/IP stack?2 >gD > I still remember the pre-Win95 days, when a stack didn't ship withA > desktop OS's, and TCP/IP stacks grew on damn trees. Wollongong,l > PCTCP, Novell kits, etc..... >M	 > Thanks.) > Tony >` > tonymATcompusourceDOTnet   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Feb 2001 15:19:30 GMT( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) Subject: More on caching0 Message-ID: <96bja2$arb$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  1 In article <969jkd$hue$1@ausnews.austin.ibm.com>,h1 mccalpin@gmp246.austin.ibm.com (McCalpin) writes:m |> pA |> Caches work better than most people expect even without cache O |> blocking.  < This is the sort of statement that I take exception to, I am: afraid.  I should be happy if you inserted "often" or even; "usually" as the second word, but that blanket statement ism seriously misleading.   : In English, such a statement is normally interpreted as if= "almost always" were inserted, which is very dubious.  I have < certainly had that statement made to me by salesmen claimingA that STREAMS figures were not indicative of delivered performancen: and I should trust peak MFlops.  More than once, actually.  - Now, I am SURE that is not what you meant :-)a  > |> [ Various examples of low main memory requirements, which I |> am not denying. ]  = My experience is that a lot of programs do very well for somed= data sizes.  But, when you push the size up, it is common fore: a critical inner loop to access more data than will fit in; cache, and the performance rapidly degrades.  Not typicallym. by the latency ratio, though I have seen that.  ? What I am certain of is that many highly tuned large scientifice> codes will need that 2 MB/sec/MFlop for their inner loops.  It@ will depend on the details whether such loops fit into Nth level cache or main memory.    D |> >But that isn't really the issue.  If you are using a cache-basedD |> >machine, all the difference that it makes is those figures applyD |> >to your CPU to cache bandwidth.  And a horrific number of system' |> >designers seem to forget this fact.  |> i> |> Can you point to any designers in particular?  I don't know@ |> any who are not aware of the importance of cache performance.  @ I should have to check through my notes, and then check that the< data has been published.  But I have certainly noted several? systems where the Nth level cache had an acceptable latency but ? inadequate bandwidth.  For large array applications, of course,  as we were discussing.     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:02:03 -0500  From: JOEL@mln.lib.ma.us# Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?v1 Message-ID: <010212150203.20204938@mln.lib.ma.us>-  E      I remember an early computer game I had. It was written in BASICrD along about 1984 but it had originated much earlier. I don't have itC anymore so I'm relying on memory but I believe that for a very longwF time it was the most popular computer game ever. It had several titlesC and I think mine was called "Lander". If my memory serves me right,vF This game had originally been written for NASA and the Apollo program.F These people were worried about a catastrophic computer failure duringC the most dangerous part of a moon landing, the last 10 miles of thetE descent. It was just possible that such a thing could occur and if itrB did no human being could hope to do the necessary math in his head@ fast enough to save the situation. However, it was possible thatE astronauts could get a "feel" for how to do a computerless landing if @ they worked at it with this computer game, and that's why it wasF written, if my memory serves me right. It began with a message about aC computer failure (which I believe was mentioned today in a previousoF message about early computer games) and then asked you to say how muchF fuel should be burned in the next 10 seconds, and the 10 seconds afterD that, etc. If you burned your fuel too fast you ran out and fell theA rest of the way. If you burned it too slowly you crashed into the,E moon. I believe this game was quite popular for a long time after thed  Apollo program entered history.   <                                               Joel G. Martin?                                               Systems AssistanttG                                               Minuteman Library Networke8                                               Natick, MA@                                               joel@MLN.LIB.MA.US   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:14:24 -0800j0 From: "William S. LaCounte" <vmsmanager@ups.edu># Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?n# Message-ID: <3A895D61.43B3@ups.edu>e  E This sounds like Lunar Lander. This was a program than ran on the CDC-E 6000 series computers. This was in the early 1970's. I suspect it was H written in Compass, the assembler for the CDC 6000 series. All I know is@ that I crashed beaucoup times and never did make a safe landing.   Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:48:44 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>t# Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?m) Message-ID: <3A89656C.6B71AC34@bbc.co.uk>-   "William S. LaCounte" wrote:  G > This sounds like Lunar Lander. This was a program than ran on the CDCcG > 6000 series computers. This was in the early 1970's. I suspect it was.J > written in Compass, the assembler for the CDC 6000 series. All I know isB > that I crashed beaucoup times and never did make a safe landing. >r > Bill  @ Sounds like it was ported to or copied for DECLander on VWS, the! early VAXStation graphics system.r   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.d   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 22:11:15 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>$ Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?y- Message-ID: <871yt2hdvg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>-  3 byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) writes:    > >i< > > I think that if you have sources for any of these games,< > > and they are not already on the Freeware CDs, you should< > > consider submitting them to Freeware so they will not be; > > lost. Adventure is on the Freeware CDs but that versionh< > > does not contain the ability to save and restart a game. > >  > D > If anyone is interested, I have six 1/2" tapes that contains A LOTD > of PDP games in BASIC, PASCAL, FORTRAN that looks like it was part > of an DECUS tape set.a  > Seems a good time to rescue vmsnet.sources from the spew crew.  : I should have the decus collection on the 4400 or exabyte.   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.-@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:23:45 -0500i; From: "Everhart, Glenn (FUSA)" <GlennEverhart@FirstUSA.com>5$ Subject: RE: Oldest computer games?yN Message-ID: <4B279CF3578CD211B945009027178017046D0406@swilnts809.wil.fusa.com>  ; I would like to see if anyone has space and wants to put upe= the complete vms sigtape collection. I have a 7-cd collectionn8 that covers 1979 to about 1994 or 1995 and of course the< rest. Email at everhart@gce.com. It's kind of a pain to make? copies but I believe I can do that. They are a tad disorganizedt8 as I was interested in getting all the stuff onto CD but+ could not always keep a set on the same CD.h   -----Original Message-----3 From: Paul Repacholi [mailto:prep@prep.synonet.com] ( Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:11 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come$ Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?y    3 byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) writes:7   > >D< > > I think that if you have sources for any of these games,< > > and they are not already on the Freeware CDs, you should< > > consider submitting them to Freeware so they will not be; > > lost. Adventure is on the Freeware CDs but that versionv< > > does not contain the ability to save and restart a game. > >  > D > If anyone is interested, I have six 1/2" tapes that contains A LOTD > of PDP games in BASIC, PASCAL, FORTRAN that looks like it was part > of an DECUS tape set.h  > Seems a good time to rescue vmsnet.sources from the spew crew.  : I should have the decus collection on the 4400 or exabyte.   -- w< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:55:57 -0500u# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>i$ Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?y+ Message-ID: <3A89752D.3AA1D288@hsc.vcu.edu>o  2 If they are 1600 bpi or 6250, i'll give it a go...  	 Jim Agnewl   now if i can find an 800bpi...   Robert Alan Byer wrote:p >  > >y< > > I think that if you have sources for any of these games,< > > and they are not already on the Freeware CDs, you should< > > consider submitting them to Freeware so they will not be; > > lost. Adventure is on the Freeware CDs but that versionm< > > does not contain the ability to save and restart a game. > >1 > D > If anyone is interested, I have six 1/2" tapes that contains A LOTD > of PDP games in BASIC, PASCAL, FORTRAN that looks like it was part > of an DECUS tape set.  > = > (adventure, dungon, space war, eliza, all kinds of games..)y > I > All the sources appear to be ther (at least the last time I looked) andsA > the last I remember (about 10 years ago) they all were working.. > M > If anyone would like a copy of all this, I would be willing to send copies.o > N > My problem is, I don't have a 9-track drive anymore to read them, if someoneM > would like to convert these for me I would happly make them available since  > they are a part of history.i >  > -- > B >  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+B >  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |B >  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+B >  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |B >  +-------------------------------------------------------------+B >  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |B >  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |B >  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |B >  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |B >  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 09:13:03 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)9 Subject: Re: Online VAX-11 Architecture Reference Manual?o3 Message-ID: <7Mj73x+xPUMx@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  _ In article <3a885ff5.4651052@news.magna.com.au>, rbanks@arel.nojunk.com (Richard Banks) writes:-7 > Does anyone know if there is an online copy anywhere?   G No.  There's a link from the VAX page, but it just points to amazon.coml who promises to look for one.C  > If you buy one look for circa 1981.  Earlier versions left outF descriptions of some of the instructions (PROBER comes to mind), laterC versions dropped all the examples and such when the instruction seteA finally its way into the Macro assembler manual.  Of course earlyuE versions don't have the vector instructions, use the assembler manualn
 for those.  F You can find the instruction set, calling conventions, and such in theF VMS docs at http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/index.html#ovmsdocset .6 The instruction set is also in the VMS help library atK "help macro instructions" and "help macro vector_instructions" on VAX, and f2 "help macro vax_macro_assembler instructions" and > "help macro vax_macro_assembler vector_instructions" on Alpha.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation-= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:48:11 -0500t2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>" Subject: OpenVMS Promotional Items7 Message-ID: <VWai6.633$cu.2490@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>    Dear Newsgroup,1  I I have received a number of enquiries about the OpenVMS customer database2 for promotional items.   Hear are some answers for you    Why do we do it?  D One of the points that we have heard from you was "please contact myL manager/VP/CIO with VMS information." So we started a database project aboutI 15 months ago where we obtain customer names from events, business cards, L personal contacts and of course this newsgroup. This information is then putI into the database and then a query is done every 6-8 weeks and mailing iswA done from Rich Marcello. Sometimes its collateral sometimes its aoC promotional item.  At this point we have thousands of names in thisS	 database.e  ' How can I get on the distribution list?t  H The best way to get on the distribution list is to send me mail with theL following information (susan.skonetski@compaq.com) if you have done this andH still have not received anything please let me know. You can also submit your managements names as well.t   Company Name   Name   Title    Full hardcopy Addresso   phone number  
 email addresse   Account manager if you know it   How your company uses VMS   
 Warm Regards,    Sue    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:28:38 GMTs= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)n& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items0 Message-ID: <009F7927.CF09D1C0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  l In article <VWai6.633$cu.2490@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes: >, >  >Dear Newsgroup, >0J >I have received a number of enquiries about the OpenVMS customer database >for promotional items..  G ... I still haven't received an umbrella but I proudly wear and use anymF of my VMS "branded" promotional items as often as I can in public.  IfH DEC/Compaq didn't/doesn't want to let the general public know about VMS,F I do!  I get plenty of questions from folks about "What is VMS?"  As IG see it, one problem with these promotional items is that the recipients1; keep them stashed away in their workspace as novelty items.e     >Why do we do it?u  0 ... so Brian has plenty of T-shirts to wear?  ;)   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.h   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 00:35:24 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items- Message-ID: <87k86ufsmr.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ? system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:l  I > ... I still haven't received an umbrella but I proudly wear and use anyiH > of my VMS "branded" promotional items as often as I can in public.  IfJ > DEC/Compaq didn't/doesn't want to let the general public know about VMS,H > I do!  I get plenty of questions from folks about "What is VMS?"  As II > see it, one problem with these promotional items is that the recipients.= > keep them stashed away in their workspace as novelty items.P >  >  > >Why do we do it?N > 2 > ... so Brian has plenty of T-shirts to wear?  ;)  > Now that would be nice. My Vax T shirt is too valuable to wear? much. Plus I'd have these stupid questions about Prime, and DG,5 and...   -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:18:09 +0000-% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>e& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items8 Message-ID: <77qi8tc88bs9ctoaqk65jqq9nh2phcmaoi@4ax.com>  @ On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:28:38 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:u  m >In article <VWai6.633$cu.2490@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes:M >> >> >>Dear Newsgroup,c >>K >>I have received a number of enquiries about the OpenVMS customer databasee >>for promotional items. > H >... I still haven't received an umbrella but I proudly wear and use anyG >of my VMS "branded" promotional items as often as I can in public.  IfiI >DEC/Compaq didn't/doesn't want to let the general public know about VMS,eG >I do!  I get plenty of questions from folks about "What is VMS?"  As I H >see it, one problem with these promotional items is that the recipients< >keep them stashed away in their workspace as novelty items.  C Hey, I wore an OpenVMS t-shirt at a... and I hesitate to admit... amE techno club owned by a friend just the other week. Not something I doeA every day of the week folks honest! Kept getting close looks fromhD presumably (not very)under-cover police officers who probably assumeE OpenVMS is some new drug this balding person was peddling :-) Perhaps 0 I should cut it up and sell it for 5 a square.   ? Two of us also walked in to the proudly all Linux cyber-cafe at E Glastonbury festival 1995 wearing one as well. Live dangerously I do!h  C Of course the 'drugged-up' kids now have OpenVMS imprinted on theira> cortex - not just Fat Boy and Zombie Nation. I have a plan :-)     >i >>Why do we do it? >y1 >... so Brian has plenty of T-shirts to wear?  ;)/   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:59:43 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>> Subject: Process memory limit., Message-ID: <3A88E960.E4912F5A@videotron.ca>  - Something which I meant to ask for some time.s  K When a process is created, what is the parameter which limits the amount of>E memory that the application can allocate (for instance with malloc) ?e  # Is it the WSEXTENT  UAF parameter ?>& Is it the WSMAX     SYSGEN paremeter ?$ Or is it the PGFLQUO UAF parameter ?  N If a process has a PGFLQUO of say 50,000 pages, but a WSMAX of only 16000, canJ the process still allocate a data structure that would consume some 30,000 pages ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:37:10 +0100e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>r! Subject: Re: Process memory limit,) Message-ID: <3A891C66.F5C8892C@gtech.com>d   JF Mezei wrote:.M > When a process is created, what is the parameter which limits the amount of-G > memory that the application can allocate (for instance with malloc) ?r > % > Is it the WSEXTENT  UAF parameter ? ( > Is it the WSMAX     SYSGEN paremeter ?& > Or is it the PGFLQUO UAF parameter ?  2 SYSGEN VIRTUALPAGECNT (obsolete in VMS Alpha 7.x+) SYSUAF PGFLQUO  P > If a process has a PGFLQUO of say 50,000 pages, but a WSMAX of only 16000, canL > the process still allocate a data structure that would consume some 30,000	 > pages ?e   Yes.   Arne  H PS: If you actually use that memory, then please make sure that you haveF     sufficient page-file space - running out of page-file space is not humour !   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 15:38:36 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>c! Subject: Re: Process memory limit H Message-ID: <y4u25yejgz.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ? Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:r  4 > SYSGEN VIRTUALPAGECNT (obsolete in VMS Alpha 7.x+)   That's the one.t   > SYSUAF PGFLQUO  K Nope. YOu could map some of your own files, for instance, and never requirey page file quota at all.I   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:28:38 -0700a& From: Jim Mehlhop <jmehlhop@qwest.net>! Subject: Re: Process memory limit ) Message-ID: <3A8952A6.5CC83EA4@qwest.net>n   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:  A > Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:u >n6 > > SYSGEN VIRTUALPAGECNT (obsolete in VMS Alpha 7.x+) >u > That's the one.  >n > > SYSUAF PGFLQUO >aM > Nope. YOu could map some of your own files, for instance, and never require  > page file quota at all.  > 
 >         Jano  J Without making code changes and to control a heap of memory allocated with& MALLOC, PGFLQUO is the correct answer.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 17:58:44 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>l! Subject: Re: Process memory limit-H Message-ID: <y4hf1y7c57.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ( Jim Mehlhop <jmehlhop@qwest.net> writes:  L > Without making code changes and to control a heap of memory allocated with( > MALLOC, PGFLQUO is the correct answer.  L Nonsense. If I give you 128 MB of PGFLQUO and a VIRTUALPAGECNT equivalent to  32 MB, you are limited to 32 MB.   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:40:43 GMT  From: sfm1115@bjc.orga Subject: Queue Manager Error0 Message-ID: <3a893789.63021159@news.starnet.net>  D Yesterday we had an Alpha Server 4100 5/300 lockup on us so bad that> we could not get into the console or log in from any type of a7 terminal.  Eventually we had to power cycle the server.e  ? Upon review of the Operator.log I saw the following error beinge	 reported:.  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  12-FEB-2001 10:17:43.80  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on GHPCABE %QMAN-W-CRITCLSPACE, free more space on _GHPCAB$DKB0 - allocated onlya. 20% of 490 blocks needed for full journal file   andr  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  12-FEB-2001 10:17:44.92  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on GHPCAB5 -SYSTEM-W-DEVICEFULL, device full; allocation failureC  4 The drive in question happens to be our System Disk.  D When the application vendor was contacted, we were informed that the$ system disk is our responsibility.    F I am thinking that the application must be allocating a certain amountB of space to the queue manager for the journal file the application
 creates.    D I guess what I am asking is, could this really be a system issue andB can I change a parameter somewhere to increase the amount of spaceD being allocated to the queue manager or is something that looks like1 it needs to be changed in the application itself.      Thanks Shawnt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:15:38 -0000e* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>  Subject: Re: Queue Manager Error+ Message-ID: <96bfi3$lfa@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>e  M <sfm1115@bjc.org> wrote in message news:3a893789.63021159@news.starnet.net...RF > Yesterday we had an Alpha Server 4100 5/300 lockup on us so bad that@ > we could not get into the console or log in from any type of a9 > terminal.  Eventually we had to power cycle the server.a >R7 > -SYSTEM-W-DEVICEFULL, device full; allocation failure66 > The drive in question happens to be our System Disk.  B > I guess what I am asking is, could this really be a system issue  F Yes. Filling the system disk is something to be avoided. Best practice6 is generally to keep as much as possible off the disk.  ? You need to see what the big files on your system disk are, anddJ particularly how fast they are growing. If they include application files,A see if they can be configured to be stored elsewhere.  At a crude C rule of thumb, you can manage with a ~1GB disk if you keep it tidy.-  F The queue manager looks like it's just the first to complain about the. lack of space. It doesn't mean it's the cause.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:14:09 GMTi From: sfm1115@bjc.orge  Subject: Re: Queue Manager Error0 Message-ID: <3a8940d5.65401171@news.starnet.net>  E I just received an e-mail and realized that I forgot a major issue inn
 this posting.t  F  I have over 5 million blocks free on the system disk.  The disk neverE ran out of space.  The space allocated to the queue manager is what I  am assuming dropped to zero.   Thanks   Shawna  8 On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:40:43 GMT, sfm1115@bjc.org wrote:  E >Yesterday we had an Alpha Server 4100 5/300 lockup on us so bad thate? >we could not get into the console or log in from any type of aC8 >terminal.  Eventually we had to power cycle the server. >e@ >Upon review of the Operator.log I saw the following error being
 >reported: >t9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  12-FEB-2001 10:17:43.80  %%%%%%%%%%%N) >Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on GHPCAB F >%QMAN-W-CRITCLSPACE, free more space on _GHPCAB$DKB0 - allocated only/ >20% of 490 blocks needed for full journal file  >0 >and >t9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  12-FEB-2001 10:17:44.92  %%%%%%%%%%%C) >Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on GHPCAB 6 >-SYSTEM-W-DEVICEFULL, device full; allocation failure > 5 >The drive in question happens to be our System Disk.o > E >When the application vendor was contacted, we were informed that the % >system disk is our responsibility.  e >aG >I am thinking that the application must be allocating a certain amount8C >of space to the queue manager for the journal file the applicationv >creates.    >iE >I guess what I am asking is, could this really be a system issue and C >can I change a parameter somewhere to increase the amount of space,E >being allocated to the queue manager or is something that looks likes2 >it needs to be changed in the application itself. >  >o >Thankst >Shawn >h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:19:47 -0500a( From: Jonas Lindholm <jlindholm@rcn.com>  Subject: Re: Queue Manager Error' Message-ID: <3A894283.C4009570@rcn.com>    sfm1115@bjc.org wrote:  F > Yesterday we had an Alpha Server 4100 5/300 lockup on us so bad that@ > we could not get into the console or log in from any type of a9 > terminal.  Eventually we had to power cycle the server.  >hA > Upon review of the Operator.log I saw the following error being  > reported:o > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  12-FEB-2001 10:17:43.80  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on GHPCABG > %QMAN-W-CRITCLSPACE, free more space on _GHPCAB$DKB0 - allocated onlyo0 > 20% of 490 blocks needed for full journal file >y > andp > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  12-FEB-2001 10:17:44.92  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on GHPCAB7 > -SYSTEM-W-DEVICEFULL, device full; allocation failure| > 6 > The drive in question happens to be our System Disk.  < The default location for the queue files is the system disk.  F > When the application vendor was contacted, we were informed that the$ > system disk is our responsibility.  I The system manager is always responsible to keep free space on the systems disk so OpenVMS can run.  H > I am thinking that the application must be allocating a certain amountD > of space to the queue manager for the journal file the application
 > creates.  % The queue manager is part of OpenVMS.-  F > I guess what I am asking is, could this really be a system issue andD > can I change a parameter somewhere to increase the amount of spaceF > being allocated to the queue manager or is something that looks like3 > it needs to be changed in the application itself.5  J Yes, it is a system issue and the queueu manager will allocate disk blocks whenever needed.   /Jonas Lindholmc   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Feb 2001 14:25:34 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)k  Subject: Re: Queue Manager Error' Message-ID: <96bg4u$82s$1@joe.rice.edu>t   sfm1115@bjc.org wrote:F : Yesterday we had an Alpha Server 4100 5/300 lockup on us so bad that@ : we could not get into the console or log in from any type of a9 : terminal.  Eventually we had to power cycle the server.n :hA : Upon review of the Operator.log I saw the following error being  : reported:d :e: : %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  12-FEB-2001 10:17:43.80  %%%%%%%%%%%* : Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on GHPCABG : %QMAN-W-CRITCLSPACE, free more space on _GHPCAB$DKB0 - allocated onlyr0 : 20% of 490 blocks needed for full journal file :r : andc :n: : %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  12-FEB-2001 10:17:44.92  %%%%%%%%%%%* : Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on GHPCAB7 : -SYSTEM-W-DEVICEFULL, device full; allocation failure- :-6 : The drive in question happens to be our System Disk. : F : When the application vendor was contacted, we were informed that the& : system disk is our responsibility.   :    What version of OpenVMS ?   @ How large is SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL ?  D There's an old bug in the Queue Manager that can cause that file to ' become quite large. To shrink the file:S     $ jbc :== $jbc$command   $ jbc6   JBC$COMMAND> diagnostic 7d   %JBC-I-DIAGNOSTIC,   Log for playback = 0   Save old Journal files = 0   Log all requests = 0   Dump on error = 0a0   Checkpoint:  State = 1, In-memory blocks = 100  H Then apply the appropriate Queue Manager patch, or upgrade to VMS 7.2-1.  E As far as the system locking up because the system disk is full, diskpF volume monitoring is a feature of the Audit Server. The following DCL 9 disables the Audit Server's disk space resource tracking:g     $ SHOW AUDIT/ALLN   $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/ENABLE=(LOGFAIL=(REMOTE,DIALUP),BREAKIN=(REMOTE,DIALUP)) -H      /DISABLE=(AUTHORIZATION,BREAKIN=NETWORK)/JOURNAL/RESOURCE=DISABLE -2      /FAILURE=IGNORE/SERVER=FINAL_ACTION=PURGE_OLD   $ SHOW AUDIT/ALL   $ EXIT  B I work in the process control area, where having VMS crash because+ the system disk was full is not acceptable.i  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 15:45:21 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>p  Subject: Re: Queue Manager ErrorH Message-ID: <y4ofw6ej5q.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  G If there appears to be free space on the system disk, check two things:-  C - Are the queue manager files really on the system disk (e.g., withm   SHOW DEV/FILES)?H - If yes, do a SET VOL/REBUILD=FORCE and possibly an ANALYZE/DISK on the   system disk.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:44:49 -050010 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>  Subject: Re: Queue Manager Error2 Message-ID: <Y0SJOndTTIGS25hFzww28TQk0=Qi@4ax.com>  ; Yes, this most definitely is a system management issue, not A an application issue.  The default directory of the queue managers6 database and journal files are SYS$COMMON, which is on: the system disk.  Normally, the queue manager database andA journal files do no take up that much space.  Some things you cano look at:  &     1.  What size is your system disk?6     2.  What's taking up all the space?  May I suggest1          DIR/DATE/SIZE=ALL/SELECT=SIZE=MIN=1000 -sA          SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000...] to find out; it's probably log            files not being purged.C     3.  Find out if there are a large number of jobs being retained(,          in your queues, via SHOW QUEUE/ALL.?     4.  If you must move the queue manager database, you should-C          be able to do so as follows, where QMAN$MASTER is your new !          queue manager directory:o  8 $ STOP /QUEUE /MANAGER /CLUSTER	! Yes, you need /CLUSTER? $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC QMAN$MASTER queue-dir:	! Whatever you wantS $ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM$ $ COPY QMAN$MASTER.DAT  QMAN$MASTER:" $ RENAME QMAN$MASTER.DAT *.DAT_OLD1 $ COPY SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$QUEUES QMAN$MASTER: 8 $ RENAME SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$QUEUES *.QMAN$QUEUES_OLD2 $ COPY SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL QMAN$MASTER:: $ RENAME SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL *.QMAN$JOURNAL_OLD$ $ START /QUEUE /MANAGER QMAN$MASTER:  C These instructions are in Section 12.3 of the OpenVMS V7.2-1 System  Manager's Manual.p   A couple of notes:  B     1.  You will need to include the definition for QMAN$MASTER in$          SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGICALS.COM.F     2.  You will need to make sure the disk on which the queue managerF          database resides is mounted prior to the LPBEGIN phase of the<          system startup.  The usual command file for this is'          SYS$MANAGER:SYPAGSWPFILES.COM.    David R. Beatty   8 On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:40:43 GMT, sfm1115@bjc.org wrote:  E >Yesterday we had an Alpha Server 4100 5/300 lockup on us so bad thate? >we could not get into the console or log in from any type of ag8 >terminal.  Eventually we had to power cycle the server. > @ >Upon review of the Operator.log I saw the following error being
 >reported: > 9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  12-FEB-2001 10:17:43.80  %%%%%%%%%%%o) >Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on GHPCABtF >%QMAN-W-CRITCLSPACE, free more space on _GHPCAB$DKB0 - allocated only/ >20% of 490 blocks needed for full journal filei >  >and >o9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  12-FEB-2001 10:17:44.92  %%%%%%%%%%%m) >Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on GHPCABc6 >-SYSTEM-W-DEVICEFULL, device full; allocation failure >S5 >The drive in question happens to be our System Disk.c >IE >When the application vendor was contacted, we were informed that thet% >system disk is our responsibility.  n >rG >I am thinking that the application must be allocating a certain amountmC >of space to the queue manager for the journal file the applicationr >creates.    >eE >I guess what I am asking is, could this really be a system issue andaC >can I change a parameter somewhere to increase the amount of spacemE >being allocated to the queue manager or is something that looks likeo2 >it needs to be changed in the application itself. >e >w >Thanksl >Shawn   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Feb 2001 14:01:52 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)   Subject: Re: Queue Manager Error0 Message-ID: <96beog$48d$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  H In article <3a893789.63021159@news.starnet.net>, sfm1115@bjc.org writes: [...]uE >I guess what I am asking is, could this really be a system issue and C >can I change a parameter somewhere to increase the amount of space E >being allocated to the queue manager or is something that looks like-2 >it needs to be changed in the application itself.  F Does this mean that you didn't take care of your system disk since youG or your vendor installed the machine? At least you should know that VMSeD itself produces files and data that can fill up your disk over time.3 Here are some of the commands we use to avoid this:    $ SET ACCOUNTING/NEW_FILEa1 $ PURGE/NOLOG/NOCONFIRM SYS$MANAGER:accountng.dath& $ RENAME sys$errorlog:errlog.sys *.old& $ PURGE/KEEP=7 sys$errorlog:errlog.old $ SET AUDIT/SERVER=NEW_LOG. $ PURGE/KEEP=7 diskh:[sysexe]sec_audit.journal $ ASSIGN/USER opa0: sys$command  $ REPLY/ENABLE $ ASSIGN/USER opa0: sys$commandw $ REPLY/LOGs1 $ PURGE/KEEP=7/NOCONFIRM sys$manager:operator.log-    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:46:18 GMTO5 From: Lyndon Bartels <lyndon.bartels@childrenshc.org>u  Subject: Re: Queue Manager Error/ Message-ID: <3A89107A.728D25F5@childrenshc.org>u  @ I've seen where systems, during startup, automatically purge all> files... Me wonders if the disk was truly full. And during theB subsequent startup, the incriminating files were purged... It'd be something to check.-   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Feb 2001 17:50:35 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)u  Subject: Re: Queue Manager Error' Message-ID: <96bs5b$jii$1@joe.rice.edu>e  6 Lyndon Bartels (lyndon.bartels@childrenshc.org) wrote:B : I've seen where systems, during startup, automatically purge all@ : files... Me wonders if the disk was truly full. And during theD : subsequent startup, the incriminating files were purged... It'd be : something to check.e  D IIRC, some versions of UCX liked to purge files, including those notC directly related to UCX. Richard "Dragon" Gilbert reported that, ifj I'm not mistaken.    --Jerry Leslie     m   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:53:12 GMT  From: sfm1115@bjc.org88 Subject: Re: Queue Manager Error  - Thanks to all of You/ Message-ID: <3a89820d.6157564@news.starnet.net>7  D I just wanted to thank all of you for your responses I have received5 and for all the avenues you have given me to explore.   A I am still sorta of new at managing VMS servers as they were justa* handed over to me about 5 or 6 months ago.   Again thanks to all.     ShawnU      8 On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:40:43 GMT, sfm1115@bjc.org wrote:  E >Yesterday we had an Alpha Server 4100 5/300 lockup on us so bad thati? >we could not get into the console or log in from any type of a-8 >terminal.  Eventually we had to power cycle the server. >n@ >Upon review of the Operator.log I saw the following error being
 >reported: > 9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  12-FEB-2001 10:17:43.80  %%%%%%%%%%%A) >Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on GHPCABsF >%QMAN-W-CRITCLSPACE, free more space on _GHPCAB$DKB0 - allocated only/ >20% of 490 blocks needed for full journal file- >- >and >-9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  12-FEB-2001 10:17:44.92  %%%%%%%%%%% ) >Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on GHPCABr6 >-SYSTEM-W-DEVICEFULL, device full; allocation failure >t5 >The drive in question happens to be our System Disk.  > E >When the application vendor was contacted, we were informed that thee% >system disk is our responsibility.  l >hG >I am thinking that the application must be allocating a certain amounteC >of space to the queue manager for the journal file the application% >creates.  g >rE >I guess what I am asking is, could this really be a system issue and C >can I change a parameter somewhere to increase the amount of spacerE >being allocated to the queue manager or is something that looks like%2 >it needs to be changed in the application itself. >- >E >Thanks  >Shawn >;   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:42:37 -0500.2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Status of EV7L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1302011042370001@user-2ive6er.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <OF25949D73.08B5A3AF-ON882569F1.0069B03C@foundation.com>," Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  J > You know, that might be an interesting idea. Sue, do you think you couldM > get ID software to do a Quake II build for Alpha Linux? I bet it'd eat P4'soM > for breakfast, and that would be a massive marketing win. People understandhA > Q3 frame rates as a benchmark in a way that SpecFP can't touch.-  J Heck no!  Sue should ask for a Quake II build for Alpha VMS.  Good proving ground for the porting kit...Q   -- n Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:25:49 -0600s* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>- Subject: RE: Strange way to blow your profits - Message-ID: <0033000016010750000002L002*@MHS>m  / =0AWith THAT attitude I was going to suggest ano3 entirely different placement for the umbrella, but,e% in the interest of civility, I won't.r   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETi' Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:58 PMg6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET- Subject: RE: Strange way to blow your profitsf    H In article <9699i6$gcu$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (= Bill Gunshannon) writes:y  E > I hope people here don't take me wrong.  It is cute that Compaq hasiF > these little PR games.  But they don't need to sell me.  What I needD > are the resources to start selling the people who have never heardH > of VMS and are going to be out there n the real world making decision= siH > after June.  And after the following June.  And the one after that to= o.H > Nobody is going to recommend that their CIO go with a VMS system beca= useD > I got an umbrella.  H Perhaps you should give your umbrella to the Dean/Provost/Chancellor/et= c.  I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=mI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=T =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DH Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> C= lusterscI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=nI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=P   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 10:16:48 -05002 From: young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young)- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profits93 Message-ID: <wR9WRKgSop22@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <969tt0$fjh@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:    > I > This has been coming for a long time.  But it is truly ironic that the iE > final factor that drove the decision to migrate off VMS was not thesM > technical limitations of the product but rather the actions and (in)actions K > of Compaq's own management. And I want to make this point utterly clear - I > Tru64 will not be where we are going because I'm just not going to dealtK > with products any more whose future is controlled by Compaq management. I J > don't believe their goals are consistent with mine, I don't believe theyM > are competent, and frankly, I just don't believe much of anything they say.dL > I intend never to buy another Compaq product again, of any type, if I have  > any say in the matter at all.  >   A 	Gee, shed a tear for those poor "suckers" at Pittsburgh Computer.A 	Center, European Computer Centre, Los Alamos , Sandia and Celera5? 	that are "stupidly" investing quite a bit in Tru64.  Maybe youl> 	should drop them an email and point out the HUGE mistake they 	are making...  = 	Somebody is off the mark here!  You wonder if bouncing ballstA 	t-shirts, golf outtings and dinners are winning the day all over B 	the world for Tru64 in the HPC space or perhaps superior product?D 	Nah... can't be a superior product.  After all, "Compaq management"$ 	is blowing it all over the place.     	Yeah .. right!    				Rob0  P ********************************************************************************P *                                RIP NetWare                                   *P ********************************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 21:46:17 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profitst- Message-ID: <87elx2hf12.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   4 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  G > ever will.  (My apologies to the OpenVMS engineers, but even 7.3FT is L > slower than linux by factors of 2 or 3 on critical performance measures onL > comparable hardware, and I just don't have another couple of years to waitD > for you to close the gap.  This is not a trivial problem, it's the8 > difference between a job taking 7 hours or taking 21!)  B What is the code? If you can run it in 5 on Linux, 5 on VMS should be reasonable.  F Send us a pointer, and lets at it ;) ( DECUS debug by SIGtape is alive and on the net!! )     -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.-@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 21:42:53 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profitse- Message-ID: <87itmehf6q.fsf@prep.synonet.com>a  , WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:  . > With THAT attitude I was going to suggest an5 > entirely different placement for the umbrella, but,t' > in the interest of civility, I won't.0   WEell, with a little cheek;e   Unobtanium DeckchairsA AI-64" life vestsA   -- T< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.c@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:02:38 +0000e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> - Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profitsw8 Message-ID: <19mi8tsmu3s8pbp8k7amu25kb80dnnjjnl@4ax.com>  D On 13 Feb 2001 10:16:48 -0500, young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob
 Young) wrote:A  b >In article <969tt0$fjh@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: >e >r > B >	Gee, shed a tear for those poor "suckers" at Pittsburgh ComputerB >	Center, European Computer Centre, Los Alamos , Sandia and Celera@ >	that are "stupidly" investing quite a bit in Tru64.  Maybe you? >	should drop them an email and point out the HUGE mistake theyn >	are making...r   Rob,  ; recent supercomputer press releases tend to be for linux ontE Alphaservers don't they? Not sure how much trust they put in Compaq's D faith to Tru-64. Should make for an easier transition to IA64 should Intel ever get their BIPS up.   8 http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2001/pr2001011901.html    F "Sandia currently operates the most powerful Linux-based supercomputerE in existence, Cplant, which employs more than 1600 Alpha processors.EF Sandia also is home to ASCI Red, the first TeraOp supercomputer, untilB very recently the fastest supercomputer in the world. The allianceF will focus on future generations of the AlphaServer SC series, and the6 goal is to create a prototype in the 2004 time frame."      > >	Somebody is off the mark here!  You wonder if bouncing ballsB >	t-shirts, golf outtings and dinners are winning the day all overC >	the world for Tru64 in the HPC space or perhaps superior product?oE >	Nah... can't be a superior product.  After all, "Compaq management" % >	is blowing it all over the place.    >e >	Yeah .. right! >m >				Rob >wQ >********************************************************************************YQ >*                                RIP NetWare                                   *uQ >********************************************************************************u   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 00:30:37 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profitsd- Message-ID: <87ofw6fsuq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  4 young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:  ? > 	Somebody is off the mark here!  You wonder if bouncing ballsoC > 	t-shirts, golf outtings and dinners are winning the day all over.D > 	the world for Tru64 in the HPC space or perhaps superior product?F > 	Nah... can't be a superior product.  After all, "Compaq management"& > 	is blowing it all over the place.      That is the SC system; T64 only.   -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.O@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 12:42:39 -05002 From: young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young)- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profitse3 Message-ID: <Xt4o0gf9jE4C@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <19mi8tsmu3s8pbp8k7amu25kb80dnnjjnl@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:F > On 13 Feb 2001 10:16:48 -0500, young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob > Young) wrote:Y > c >>In article <969tt0$fjh@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  >> >> >>C >>	Gee, shed a tear for those poor "suckers" at Pittsburgh Computer C >>	Center, European Computer Centre, Los Alamos , Sandia and Celera A >>	that are "stupidly" investing quite a bit in Tru64.  Maybe youn@ >>	should drop them an email and point out the HUGE mistake they >>	are making... >  > Rob, > = > recent supercomputer press releases tend to be for linux onPG > Alphaservers don't they? Not sure how much trust they put in Compaq'stF > faith to Tru-64. Should make for an easier transition to IA64 should > Intel ever get their BIPS up.  >   B 	No they aren't Linux based... there are large Linux clusters out H 	there, the Sandia Alpha Linux cluster (as I read ahead you are talking  	about that :-)t  : > http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2001/pr2001011901.html >  > H > "Sandia currently operates the most powerful Linux-based supercomputerG > in existence, Cplant, which employs more than 1600 Alpha processors.sH > Sandia also is home to ASCI Red, the first TeraOp supercomputer, untilD > very recently the fastest supercomputer in the world. The allianceH > will focus on future generations of the AlphaServer SC series, and the8 > goal is to create a prototype in the 2004 time frame." >  >  >  	d9 	But not mentioning Linux at all.. the ones I mention areh 	all Tru64 based and sizable.   4 http://www.compaq.com/hpc/news/news_psc_aug2000.html  0 		August 2000 - On August 3, 2000 the PittsburghF                 Supercomputing Center (PSC) announced that it had beenK                 awarded U.S. $45 million by the National Science Foundationt  > http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/news/supercomputer_0822.html  0                        U.S. Department of Energy.                        selects Compaq to build/                        world's fastest and mosth.                        powerful supercomputer   9                        $200 million contract is latest in-9                        series of high-profile AlphaServerr                        wins   L                  Adding to its growing reputation as a supercomputer leader,N                  Compaq will build the world's most powerful supercomputer forE                  the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE). The 30+ TeraOPSrO                  AlphaServer system will be used to simulate nuclear testing at 4                  the Los Alamos National Laboratory.  M http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2000/0,1494,wp~14583_2!ob~25413_1_1,00.htmls                                 L                               Compaq to Build Most Powerful Supercomputer in?                                                          Europen  M                                French Atomic Energy Commission Chooses CompaqeJ                                   AlphaServer Systems for Simulation Tasks  K      HOUSTON, February 28, 2000 - The French Atomic Energy Commission (CEA)sL      has selected Compaq Computer Corporation (NYSE: CPQ) to build a massiveK      supercomputer that will be the largest in Europe.  Based on the CompaqIB      AlphaServer systems running the Tru64T UNIX operating system,  ? http://www5.compaq.com/alphaserver/news/sandia_celera_0101.html-  < 	"Alpha systems - Compaq, Sandia, and Celera join forces to $ 	 develop 100 TeraOPS supercomputer"  0 	Agreement highlights Compaq's dominance in High(         Performance Technical Computing   8         To map the human genome in record time, computer@         technology was stretched to its limits. The post genomic?         era's urgent drive to develop new medicines, crops, andwC         materials via proteomics will require even higher levels of-=         performance. Once again, the answer is Compaq Alpha.    ! >>	Somebody is off the mark here!e   	Ayup!!    				Rob:   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 13:01:20 -05002 From: young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young)- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profitss3 Message-ID: <cqmpPo6++10L@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <19mi8tsmu3s8pbp8k7amu25kb80dnnjjnl@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:   > = > recent supercomputer press releases tend to be for linux onrG > Alphaservers don't they? Not sure how much trust they put in Compaq'soF > faith to Tru-64. Should make for an easier transition to IA64 should > Intel ever get their BIPS up.  >   @ 	It isn't just a matter of BIPS.  It is a very holistic picture.; 	That is why Compaq is winning these bids.  Remember, they n@ 	are all selling futures here as in some cases these are systemsE 	that don't see the light of day until 2004 (Los Alamos/Sandia/Celerat@ 	collaboration).  What does this mean?  Compaq has much strongerA 	futures or they are all a bunch of "suckers."  You be the judge.-  B 	It's not that hard to figure out though... the dirty secrets are:   				Latency  and 				Compute Cost  6 	Ask yourself how much L3 cache in those systems?  ;-)  / 	Shhhhh!!! or Enterprise Architects might hear!o   				Robo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:32:24 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: Terry Knows Compaq :-)dL Message-ID: <OF4712116B.29DB35B1-ON032569F2.00554343@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Well   The things are changing  :-)  ; http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4797930.html?tag=mn_hd3   Regardsn   FC (its not Fibre Channel)   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 10:08:37 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>r+ Subject: Re: The "deleting many files" mytheH Message-ID: <y4n1bruezu.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  7 ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.au (Ian Burgess) writes:    > Sorry it is OpenVMS 7.2-1   H So you are already running the version of the XQP that has significantlyL better directory update performance than those versions before which spawnedG the delete many files "myth". You should have tried before upgrading toa VMS 7.2.  M To clarify things, this has nothing to do directly with directory caching andlH the 127 block limit, which is implemented by RMS anyway. The 7.2 XQP nowJ updates directories in chunks of 128 blocks (IIRC) instead of one block atK a time, as it did before. If I understand correctly, it has the same safety N features as previously, by writing an "impossible" FID into a directory recordJ as a marker that it is performing the shuffle, so that if the operation is6 interupted at any point, it can be restarted/repaired.  J I do think RMS's directory caching limit was also raised at the same time.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:46:06 -0800 . From: Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com> Subject: RE: VMS Umbrellae; Message-ID: <000101c095ed$3a0d93d0$9c96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>-  . Sue  I love ya  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :)   I got 2 of them !!!!  ' Thanks  I am the envy of the office !!!n   hank at nova gate dot come   ------------------------------   Date: 13 FEB 2001 17:17:39 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) Subject: Re: VMS Umbrella 6 Message-ID: <13FEB01.17173939@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  - Very nice Sue - Thanks. And I needed one too.3  E I was kind of hoping the fabric would be emblazened with "OpenVMS" in!D giant letters upon opening so I could be a walking ad when it rains.  C OT: That brings up a memory of a Dec salesperson (Charlie Cormier IsD think) from the early 80's  that had a personalized MA license plate that read "VAX-VMS".   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:25:58 GMTy4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie) Subject: Re: VX/DCLT' Message-ID: <qc6i6.575$_O.17421@insync>i  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:- : Anyone tried to use the VX/DCL under AIX ??W : 4 : http://www.sector7.com/products/toolkits/vxdcl.htm :  : & : It works fine ? How much it costs ?? :  : 	 : Regardsg :  : FC :   D If you haven't already, try posting your query to the comp.unix.aix 3 newsgroup. BTW, there's another DCL shell for unix:.  1      OpenDCL, from Accelr8 Technology Corporations$      http://www.accelr8.com/dcl.html    / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net ;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalida2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:07:43 +0000a$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.ukB Subject: Re: Was MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem - Now Humphrey Bogart/ Message-ID: <002569F2.0042A10A.00@quegw01.btyp>o  L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    L Correct - she's SUPPOSED to be from Manchester. Although I doubt anyone fromO Manchester would recognise it as such, especially my wife, who cringes when she3G hears it. Her (Daphne) brother has a mockney accent, which in fact is aDO true-to-life representation of Manchester United fans, the team whose shirts he L occasionally wears. Who, of course, all you Americans should know everythingI about, considering their tie-up with the supposed World Famous Yankees...=  I Does anyone know if the Yankees use any vms systems in their organisationDP [trying in some pathetic way to bring this thread at least approaching something on-topic ;^D]?   Steve Spires        I winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") ono 13/02/2001 01:23:11 AM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)oK From:      winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptgh-            Mgr"), 13 February 2001, 1:23 a.m.b  9 Re: Was MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem - Now Humphrey Bogarti        D In article <OF5FCEE980.EA5D7346-ON882569F1.006B7EA0@foundation.com>,# Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:t >tH >Daphne in Frazier is really English. That's not supposed to be cockney,I >it's much further North. Exactly where I couldn't say, but it's familiarg# >from my childhood in the Midlands.  >iL >Or is there another English character I've not met, since I haven't watched >it for so long? >l  K She's supposed to be from Manchester.  (However, her no-good brother didn't  seem to have the same accent.)  " -- Alan (sorry to be so off-topic)  O ===============================================================================t0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:41:05 -0500i2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)B Subject: Re: Was MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem - Now Humphrey BogartL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1302011041060001@user-2ive6er.dialup.mindspring.com>  5 In article <3A88B2BE.7D8C361E@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:*    N > Actually, it is perfectly on topic with VMS. Many often complain of the lackN > of VMS resources  The answer is to bring in cheap labour from the UK to fill > VMS jobs in america...  @ What VMS jobs in America?  I think they all moved to Canada. :-)   -- 3 Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:47:46 +0000e) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> 8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?, Message-ID: <3A88F4B2.DB8A3725@infopuls.com>   Bill Todd wrote: > 6 > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message( > news:3A886E5F.F9923E97@infopuls.com... >  > ...d > C > > I read good things about the architecture of Interbase. What iseC > > the implementation language? If it's a good one (not C/C++) I'ma > > in.n > L > In case Don doesn't see your question, I'll offer my recollection that JimN > Starkey implemented the original Interbase (back when it was Groton DatabaseL > Systems), as a reimplementation of Jim's Relational Database (JRD, which I > think became Rdb/ELN), in C. >  > - bill  7 C is unsafe, outdated and useless for a task which need 9 uttermost quality. How many lines of source text is this?,   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:32:44 +0100-= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>p8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?( Message-ID: <3A891B5C.845CE0D@gtech.com>   Christof Brass wrote:  > Bill Todd wrote:8 > > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message* > > news:3A886E5F.F9923E97@infopuls.com...E > > > I read good things about the architecture of Interbase. What is,E > > > the implementation language? If it's a good one (not C/C++) I'm 	 > > > in.R > >oN > > In case Don doesn't see your question, I'll offer my recollection that JimP > > Starkey implemented the original Interbase (back when it was Groton DatabaseN > > Systems), as a reimplementation of Jim's Relational Database (JRD, which I  > > think became Rdb/ELN), in C. > 9 > C is unsafe, outdated and useless for a task which needu; > uttermost quality. How many lines of source text is this?m  ! Some like C. Other do not like C.o  C Fact is that a huge part of software today is written in C. I wouldR expect/ almost all databases to be written mainly in C.t   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2001 08:12:42 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)p8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?3 Message-ID: <sdneR382c1nw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <3A891B5C.845CE0D@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes: > Christof Brass wrote:r  : >> C is unsafe, outdated and useless for a task which need< >> uttermost quality. How many lines of source text is this? > # > Some like C. Other do not like C.t > = > Fact is that a huge part of software today is written in C.w  - Most drinking water in the world is not safe.   @ > I would expect almost all databases to be written mainly in C.  - But some still seek out that which is safest.   N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:17:17 -0500 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>g8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?( Message-ID: <96bptc$b28$1@pyrite.mv.net>  D Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:sdneR382c1nw@eisner.encompasserve.org...	I > In article <3A891B5C.845CE0D@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?=w  <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes: > > Christof Brass wrote:* >*< > >> C is unsafe, outdated and useless for a task which need> > >> uttermost quality. How many lines of source text is this? > >*% > > Some like C. Other do not like C.* > >*? > > Fact is that a huge part of software today is written in C.4 >b/ > Most drinking water in the world is not safe.p >.B > > I would expect almost all databases to be written mainly in C. >D/ > But some still seek out that which is safest.i  K That would be <example of more robust database written in a notably 'safer' 
 language>?  H And it's still necessary to ask whether a database written in (to pick aL language at random?) Bliss is safer than one written in C if the maintainers: understand the latter language far better than the former.   - bill   >" > L ============================================================================ ==G > Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems ->5 Clusters > L ============================================================================ ==   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.088 ************************