0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 14 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 90      Contents:- "tcpip disable service smtp" hungs the system 1 Re: "tcpip disable service smtp" hungs the system   RE: allocation class on an hsg80% Announcing: MegaPOV v0.7 For OpenVMS. # Antwort: Renaming directories. How? ' Re: Antwort: Renaming directories. How? ) Re: AUTOGEN GETDATA Phase Causing A Crash ) Re: AUTOGEN GETDATA Phase Causing A Crash 4 Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90?4 Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90?+ Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences? + Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences? + Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences? + Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences?  Re: CHANNELCNT question  Re: CHANNELCNT question  Compaq management question Re: Compaq management question Re: Compaq management question/ Re: Do tape parity errors affect data integrity / Re: Do tape parity errors affect data integrity ! Re: Efficiency in processing bits  RE: error while booting a 3400+ Forget the old thread about no. of managers  Re: Google buys Deja Re: Google buys Deja& Re: Hope for galactic host based raid?6 Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.0 How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha? Hummingbird Exceed Re: Hummingbird Exceed Re: Hummingbird Exceed Re: Hummingbird Exceed Re: Hummingbird Exceed Hummingbird Exceed" Re: IA-64 is Dead (Murderer:  EV7)" Re: IA-64 is Dead (Murderer:  EV7) Re: KVM Switch for VT Keyboard Re: KVM Switch for VT Keyboard3 LN05/LN06 - Power Supplies and fuser unit problems. " Re: Look at http://news.compaq.com1 Re: MicroVAX II - local register I/O programming?  Re: More on caching  No Risk Investments!!! Re: Oldest computer games? Re: Oldest computer games? Re: Oldest computer games? Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  RE: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  RE: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  RE: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  RE: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  RE: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  RE: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items 1 Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form 5 Re: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form 5 RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form 5 RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form 5 RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form " Possible security hole in VMS Mail& Re: Possible security hole in VMS Mail; Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100 ; Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100 ; Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100 ; Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100 ; RE: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100 ; Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100  Re: Process memory limit Re: Process memory limit Re: Process memory limit Re: Process memory limit Re: Process memory limit Renaming directories. How? Re: Renaming directories. How? Re: Renaming directories. How? Re: Renaming directories. How? Re: Renaming directories. How? Re: Renaming directories. How? Re: Status of EV7 $ Re: Strange way to blow your profits$ RE: Strange way to blow your profits$ RE: Strange way to blow your profits$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits SWXCR 	 Re: SWXCR 	 Re: SWXCR  Re: Terry Knows Compaq :-) Re: Terry Knows Compaq :-) Text graphing program for VMS?" Re: Text graphing program for VMS? Re: ucx 4.2 vs 5.0 Re: ucx 4.2 vs 5.0 Re: ucx 4.2 vs 5.0 Re: VMS Umbrella Re: VMS Umbrella RE: VMS Umbrella RE: VMS Umbrella Re: VMS Umbrella Re: VMS Umbrella Re: VMS Umbrella Re: VMS Umbrella Re: VMS Umbrella Re: VMS Umbrella Re: VMSINSTAL and version 5.0A( Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORY VT-510/ Re: What databases are still available on vms ? # Re: What's the best Usernet reader! # Re: What's the best Usernet reader! # Re: What's the best Usernet reader!   RE: [DSNlink V3.0] DSNlink_NEW ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:14:12 -0300 (EST)  From: lyly@vortex.ufrgs.br6 Subject: "tcpip disable service smtp" hungs the system, Message-ID: <01021411141288@vortex.ufrgs.br>   	Hi !    	Here's the environment:  9   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A 1   on a AlphaServer 800 5/500 running OpenVMS V7.2   
 	The command:      tcpip disable service smtp   	or the procedure:  %   sys$manager:tcpip$smtp_shutdown.com   ! 	hungs the system, with no error.   ' 	Rebooting is the one way in this case.    	Any ideas ?  	 	Regards,   
 		Lylyanna   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 16:37:11 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER): Subject: Re: "tcpip disable service smtp" hungs the system( Message-ID: <3a8aa627@news.kapsch.co.at>  I In article <01021411141288@vortex.ufrgs.br>, lyly@vortex.ufrgs.br writes:  >	Here's the environment:  > : >  DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A2 >  on a AlphaServer 800 5/500 running OpenVMS V7.2   Check also $ MC TCPIP$VERSIONS   >	The command: >  >  tcpip disable service smtp  >  >	or the procedure:  > & >  sys$manager:tcpip$smtp_shutdown.com > " >	hungs the system, with no error. > ( >	Rebooting is the one way in this case. > 
 >	Any ideas ?   6 Never seen that, but we use MX instead (of course ;-).  E Upgrade to OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1 (with all >=27 ECOs) and install ECO2 J for TCPIP V5.0-11 (aka V5.0a) and then try again. Both (OpenVMS Alpha V7.2K and TCPIP V5.0-10 also aka V5.0a !) are known to contain very nasty bugs...    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:50:15 -0600 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> ) Subject: RE: allocation class on an hsg80 N Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284DD7@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   Antony,   J As others have stated, the alloc on an HSG80 is always 1. Drive names show up as $1$DGAxxxx  K Fwiw, with the Cust's I have been dealing with, this is not an issue, as we @ have been defining unique ranges of drives per controller pair.   I This makes it easier to determine from a support perspective which drives J are where. Even if the alloc class parameters was used on a HSGx0, I wouldI still recommend keeping it at 1 and use a unique device numbering scheme.   L As an example: using a more complex multi-site load balanced cluster example -   1 $1$dga1500-$1$dga1599: controller pair 1, site 1. 1 $1$dha1600-$1$dga1699: controller pair 2, site 1. 1 $1$dga2500-$1$dga2599: controller pair 1, site 2. 1 $1$dga2600-$1$dga2699: controller pair 2, site 2.   J You can also get more creative and define unique numbers for each specific! defined RAID drive size and type.    As an example:B $1$dga500-$1$dga529: controller pair 1, site 1, RAID0+1 18GB disks@ $1$dga530-$1$dga559: controller pair 1, site 1, RAID5, 9GB disks   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----; From: antony wardle [mailto:antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz]  Sent: February 13, 2001 9:18 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % Subject: allocation class on an hsg80      Hi.   E I have recently received a couple of ds20es and a fibre san solution.   @  How do I change the allocation class of the disks on the hsg80?  G The HSG manual has a command: set this_controller allocation_class = nr   B While this says it changes the allocation class, at the >>> prompt  J the disks show up as $1$dga disks, and not $5$dga disks (as we were trying+ to change it to) as we would have expected.       I Why do only the system and quorum disk show up at the >>> prompt, and not J any of the other configured disks. The CPQ  guys configured the system and( quorum disk, I did the other data disks.      K There wasn't a backup of the system disk provided, and I was unable to do a 
 standalone  : backup by booting off a 7.2-1 cd. Do I required a 7.2-1h1?      D If we leave the disk allocation class at 1 (giving us disks labelled $1$dga%)  L what will happen if we boot these macines into a cluster with a dssi vax who  7 has the same allocation class (disks labelled $1$dia%%)       5 Are you expecting USB support in VMS anytime soon ;-)    cheers  antony   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 05:09:35 EST1 From: byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) . Subject: Announcing: MegaPOV v0.7 For OpenVMS.1 Message-ID: <AgxUWUgECN1e@cartman.ourservers.net>   J The MegaPOV v0.7 raytracing graphics package is now available for OpenVMS.  J You can find all the information for compiling MegaPOV v0.7 for OpenVMS at  ) 	http://www.ourservers.net/openvms_ports/   I This versions includes some new features, but is mostly fixes to existing 	 features.   H Due to the use of IEEE floating point, MegaPOV v0.7 is not available for  VAX, this is an Alpha only port.   --    @  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |@  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+@  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |@  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |@  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |@  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:17:21 +0100  From: Robin.Goerlach@merck.de , Subject: Antwort: Renaming directories. How?> Message-ID: <OF20840C99.808C2CBD-ONC12569F3.0048D953@merck.de>  
 Hi Andrew,   try this   $ create /dir dka0:[otto.dir] 4 $ rename dka0:[000000]otto.dir dka0:[000000]susi.dir $ dir dka0:[000000]susi.dir    Robin    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 13:55:08 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)0 Subject: Re: Antwort: Renaming directories. How?3 Message-ID: <yNsH$xL72WP7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <OF20840C99.808C2CBD-ONC12569F3.0048D953@merck.de>, Robin.Goerlach@merck.de writes: >  > Hi Andrew, > 
 > try this >  > $ create /dir dka0:[otto.dir]    Typo?  Should be       $ create /dir dka0:[otto]   6 > $ rename dka0:[000000]otto.dir dka0:[000000]susi.dir > $ dir dka0:[000000]susi.dir  >  > Robin  >  --  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:59:53 -0800 ! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> 2 Subject: Re: AUTOGEN GETDATA Phase Causing A Crash+ Message-ID: <3A8A2CE9.E38C52DE@tmisnet.com>   P Getdata may be calling syconfig.com.  You may want to try putting an exit in theN front of syconfig.com before running autogen and see if this helps.  sometimesB running syconfig twice with 3rd party devices can crash the system   regards  Cass   Kenneth Randell wrote:  
 > Hello -- > A > Don't know if it's related, but there is a recent (today) patch G > DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SCSI-V0300--4.PCSI that lists a crash while running 
 > AUTOGEN. > K > I have not seen an equivalent kit for 7.2-1, but it might be worth asking 	 > support  > about it.  > 
 > Ken Randell  > 8 > Peter Allingham <Peter@Ancient.co.uk> wrote in message% > news:96c2p3$7tt$1@lure.pipex.net... A > > I have a system which crashes like clockwork each time I use:  > >  > > $@AUTOGEN GETDATA  > > J > > This is the case either when GETDATA is called as a standalone phase 1G > > option to autogen or when it is implicit, as in SAVPARAM GENPARAMS.  > > N > > The version is OpenVMS 7.2-1 - patched with the mandatory Install 1 eco's. > > K > > The only message that $ANALY/CRASH is giving is:- INVEXCEPTN, Exception  > > while above ASTDEL > > 4 > > Has anyone else seen this distressing behaviour? > >  > > All the best,  > > 
 > > Peter. > >  > > GAP - London.  > >  > >    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 14:32:46 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: Re: AUTOGEN GETDATA Phase Causing A Crash* Message-ID: <3a8a88fe$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  O In article <3A8A2CE9.E38C52DE@tmisnet.com>, Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> writes: Q >Getdata may be calling syconfig.com.  You may want to try putting an exit in the O >front of syconfig.com before running autogen and see if this helps.  sometimes C >running syconfig twice with 3rd party devices can crash the system    I bet that this is the reason.0 You might also add the following to SYCONFIG.COM  G $ IF F$MODE() .NES. "OTHER"       !avoid [AUTO]CONFIGURE during AUTOGEN  $ THEN0 $   blabla (like STARTUP$AUTOCONFIGURE_ALL == 0) $ ELSEG $   blabla (like SYSMAN IO CONNECT - Alpha or SYSGEN CONNECT - VAX,...)  $ ENDIF    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:45:13 +0100 # From: "Didier Morandi" <dmo@ims.ch> = Subject: Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90? 0 Message-ID: <Icui6.95$Z3.6116@tengri.easynet.fr>  G > "Jonathan McCormack" <McCormackJ@BelfastCity.Gov.UK> wrote in message = > news:MuAh6.9403$zz4.232837@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com... H > > One of our clients wants to stop using LAT & DECNET on their network  7 I'd love to know why a Customer wants to stop DECnet... J Unfortunately, I actually know the answer. He wants to stop DECnet routingJ on his network. When will people understand that DECnet and TCP/IP are TWO4 DIFFERENT PRODUCTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   (set flame off)  D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:03:37 GMT 8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>= Subject: Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90? ( Message-ID: <3A897A57.6B276E86@decus.fi>  7 There is no need to disable LAT on the terminal server. 6 Just define the preferred protocol for each port to be telnet9 then users doing CONNECT will default to telnet protocol.    _veli    Michael Raspuzzi wrote:  > G > "Jonathan McCormack" <McCormackJ@BelfastCity.Gov.UK> wrote in message = > news:MuAh6.9403$zz4.232837@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com... M > > One of our clients wants to stop using LAT & DECNET on their network.  Is  > itL > > possible to disable LAT and DECNET on a Decserver 90 and use just TCP/IP > for  > > terminal connections?  > >  > K > The LAT software on the DECserver cannot be turned off.  It only kicks in M > when a connect request at the Local> prompt is issued.  The way you get rid M > of LAT on your network is to simply not run the LAT startup on your OpenVMS L > systems.  With no LAT hosts, the terminal server will have no where to go. >  > Mike > Former OpenVMS LAT developer   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 17:52:31 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)4 Subject: Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences?* Message-ID: <3a8ab7cf$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  x In article <OF0DB3B1A0.48CAE82A-ON032569F2.00603082@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:C >I am using CDE here in both machines (Alpha 4100 5/600 + 4GB RAM).e   Gimme gimme gimmet  E >No problem with performance anymore: I am connected at 100 MBits :-)r  I Me too, for about a decade now. FDDI in my VS4090 is all that was needed.tB And my PWS surely has a 100BaseT (just like most equipment today).  E >But I feel there is a lack of bundled applications in DECW to manageDB >OpenVMS..... What I do more is to run MONITOR, RMU, etc ... which, >are character based ! Ok they work fine !!! > : >If OpenVMS has a graphical interface, why not create more% >management applications in Motif ???t  = You know, VMS has a GUI. Its called X11/DECwindows/MOTIF/CDE.H  F Have you ever seen and used $ EDIT/INTER=MOTIF, $ DSNlink ITS/WINDOWS,H $ CONFIGURE GALAXY, $ PRODUCT/INTER=DECWINDOWS, $ DIAG/INTER=DECWINDOWS,, $ MC NET$MGMT, all DECset tools, and so on ?  E I think, many such (hidden) features are unknown to us and maybe eventH unrequested by us. So it is no surprise to get some not developed at allJ or get others unsupported/terminated over the time (like PRODUCT recently)> If you want more of them, request it and make lobbying for it.    	 But OTOH,oJ Q could make demand for them, if they would deliver MOTIF and CDE with allG the developed X11 (interfaced) tools added to the (manager) desktop (oreH while we are there with all the new filetypes like .HTM .HTML .GIF .JPEGA .JPG .PDF .PL .MPG .MPEG and so on added - with the correspondingNI application defined - to the file viewer) so that we get used to it/them..  3 The more I think over it, the more I like the idea.mB I'm sick and tired of adding yet another tool or filetype to MOTIFF (only to the system default - how to force users to permanently use itE or to force them to regularly reload the system default and then redoMC their changes again and agaon so that they benefit from the newly -m; by me - added definitions is a completely different story -r, eg. deleting their private custom files ;-).  D So let's start lobbying for MOTIF and CDE improvements in this area.E Lets have applications predefined in the desktop/sessmgr (better in a G way which is totally separated from the MOTIF development - like havingaI a scripting tool or a MOTIF/CDE system default file set) or at least letseJ have all X11 applications automatically register themselves in MOTIF (just- like DECset tries to do) !! I'm voting for #1   ; >And why there is not a MONITOR TCPIP if there is a MONITOR 	 >DECNET ?M  8 Because DECnet is tightly integrated into RMS means VMS.  K TCPIP is an add-on, exists in more than one flavour and has it's own tools.vF Use DECnet over IP and you get at least some of the advantages of thisC integration back (like DIR, COPY, RENAME, DELETE, PURGE, filedates,sI protections and last not least file attributes and maybe even MONITOR)...M   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888u< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:27:27 -0300a) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bre4 Subject: Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences?L Message-ID: <OF32CE6A0E.D0AF0DCD-ON032569F3.0064E33D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  5 This subject remembers the discussion about X-Windows % and ICA/RDP  we had a few weeks ago ?a  4 All the management in OpenVMS is "terminal based" or2 better, VT based - even using X-Windows we start a DECTERM.  < What about the VT evolution ? It stopped in the VT-400s ????; The OpenVMS evolution is holded in VT terminals evolution ?r  : What=B4s next ? It is because I was defending the creation= of a new graphical terminal (with windowing possibilities)...o   Regardse   FC          ; eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) em 14/02/2001 14:52:31   " Favor responder a eplan@kapsch.net             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       4 Assunto: Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences?    
 In articleA <OF0DB3B1A0.48CAE82A-ON032569F2.00603082@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, + fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: C >I am using CDE here in both machines (Alpha 4100 5/600 + 4GB RAM).s   Gimme gimme gimme   E >No problem with performance anymore: I am connected at 100 MBits :-)d  H Me too, for about a decade now. FDDI in my VS4090 is all that was neede= d.B And my PWS surely has a 100BaseT (just like most equipment today).  E >But I feel there is a lack of bundled applications in DECW to managegB >OpenVMS..... What I do more is to run MONITOR, RMU, etc ... which, >are character based ! Ok they work fine !!! > : >If OpenVMS has a graphical interface, why not create more% >management applications in Motif ???p  = You know, VMS has a GUI. Its called X11/DECwindows/MOTIF/CDE.c  H Have you ever seen and used $ EDIT/INTER=3DMOTIF, $ DSNlink ITS/WINDOWS= ,dH $ CONFIGURE GALAXY, $ PRODUCT/INTER=3DDECWINDOWS, $ DIAG/INTER=3DDECWIN= DOWS,i, $ MC NET$MGMT, all DECset tools, and so on ?  E I think, many such (hidden) features are unknown to us and maybe even1H unrequested by us. So it is no surprise to get some not developed at al= leH or get others unsupported/terminated over the time (like PRODUCT recent= ly)t> If you want more of them, request it and make lobbying for it.    	 But OTOH,tH Q could make demand for them, if they would deliver MOTIF and CDE with = allAH the developed X11 (interfaced) tools added to the (manager) desktop (or=  H while we are there with all the new filetypes like .HTM .HTML .GIF .JPE= GeA .JPG .PDF .PL .MPG .MPEG and so on added - with the correspondinggH application defined - to the file viewer) so that we get used to it/the= m.  3 The more I think over it, the more I like the idea.eB I'm sick and tired of adding yet another tool or filetype to MOTIFF (only to the system default - how to force users to permanently use itE or to force them to regularly reload the system default and then redonC their changes again and agaon so that they benefit from the newly - ; by me - added definitions is a completely different story -m, eg. deleting their private custom files ;-).  D So let's start lobbying for MOTIF and CDE improvements in this area.E Lets have applications predefined in the desktop/sessmgr (better in a-H way which is totally separated from the MOTIF development - like having=  H a scripting tool or a MOTIF/CDE system default file set) or at least le= tsH have all X11 applications automatically register themselves in MOTIF (j= usto- like DECset tries to do) !! I'm voting for #1H  ; >And why there is not a MONITOR TCPIP if there is a MONITORi	 >DECNET ?'  8 Because DECnet is tightly integrated into RMS means VMS.  H TCPIP is an add-on, exists in more than one flavour and has it's own to= ols.F Use DECnet over IP and you get at least some of the advantages of thisC integration back (like DIR, COPY, RENAME, DELETE, PURGE, filedates, H protections and last not least file attributes and maybe even MONITOR).= ..   --< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist= "a         =2   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 13:09:56 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)4 Subject: Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences?3 Message-ID: <xFl68C0Epu2x@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  x In article <OF32CE6A0E.D0AF0DCD-ON032569F3.0064E33D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: > > > What about the VT evolution ? It stopped in the VT-400s ????= > The OpenVMS evolution is holded in VT terminals evolution ?m > < > What=B4s next ? It is because I was defending the creation? > of a new graphical terminal (with windowing possibilities)...a >   0 You haven't seen a VT510 windowing terminal yet?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporatione= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupcE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying$   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 19:19:39 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)4 Subject: Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences?* Message-ID: <3a8acc3b$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  x In article <OF32CE6A0E.D0AF0DCD-ON032569F3.0064E33D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:6 >This subject remembers the discussion about X-Windows& >and ICA/RDP  we had a few weeks ago ?   And the point was ??  5 >All the management in OpenVMS is "terminal based" org< >better, VT based - even using X-Windows we start a DECTERM.  $ or a session manager _and_ a DECterm  = >What about the VT evolution ? It stopped in the VT-400s ???? < >The OpenVMS evolution is holded in VT terminals evolution ?   You missed the VT500 series ?-  ; >What=B4s next ? It is because I was defending the creationr> >of a new graphical terminal (with windowing possibilities)...  J What for ? Graphics over Serial Lines (like we had with ReGIS and SIXEL) ?2 Or over LAN like we now have with X11 and TCP/IP ?   -- a< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888t< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:26:24 -0500p2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>  Subject: Re: CHANNELCNT question7 Message-ID: <200102122126_MC2-C550-CB92@compuserve.com>9  " Message text written by Alan Greig9 >On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:52:47 -0500, "Richard B. Gilbert"o <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote:  & >Message text written by Brad Hamilton, >>DVINCI::SY18889 $ mcr sysgen sh channelcntJ >Parameter Name            Current    Default     Min.     Max.     Unit =   >DynamicJ >--------------            -------    -------    -------  -------   ---- =   >-------A >CHANNELCNT                   2047        127        31      2047 
 >Channels   =-   >-G >I know, not a MicroVAX, but it works fine for me (channelcnt MAXed out- >for backup performance).< >1G >How is backup performance affected when you reduce CHANNELCNT to, say,i 512? >oJ >In my experience I have rarely seen backup open anywhere near 512 files = at	 >once!  =     E I've seen BACKUP run out of resources very ungracefuly if it runs outdF of CHANNELCNT. You need to have tuned the BACKUP account appropriatelyA but it can easily hold over a thousand files open if they are allo relatively small.a <r  J BACKUP should never run out of CHANNELCNT.  If it does, FILLM is too larg= e.J  FILLM=3DCHANNELCNT-15 is correct!.  BACKUP needs channels for things oth= erC than opening files and, if it can't get them, it does indeed behavei gracelessly!  J I've spent a fair amount of time monitoring BACKUP on my systems with SHO= WaH PROCESS /CONTINUOUS and SHOW PROCESS /QUOTA  and I have never seen FILLMJ depleted by more than 100 files.  These are fast Alphas with more than 1G= b-6 of memory and tuned accordingly.  What's your  secret?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:38:07 +0000l% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>i  Subject: Re: CHANNELCNT question8 Message-ID: <8nnk8tk6ii7a905vh9838fq914s2fi3nkm@4ax.com>  8 On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:26:24 -0500, "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote:     >< > L >BACKUP should never run out of CHANNELCNT.  If it does, FILLM is too large.J > FILLM=CHANNELCNT-15 is correct!.  BACKUP needs channels for things otherD >than opening files and, if it can't get them, it does indeed behave
 >gracelessly!h  B Typical situation is a BACKUP account tuned appropriately and with> suitable sysgen values for the main nodes. Then someone (or me> forgetting...) tries to backup to a locally attached tape on a workstation in the cluster.X   >VK >I've spent a fair amount of time monitoring BACKUP on my systems with SHOW I >PROCESS /CONTINUOUS and SHOW PROCESS /QUOTA  and I have never seen FILLM K >depleted by more than 100 files.  These are fast Alphas with more than 1Gbc7 >of memory and tuned accordingly.  What's your  secret?p  E ANU News system with thousands of small files per directory was whereuF I typically saw this. In the end though I just backed up the directory structure (/exclude=*.itm) -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 09:53:23 -06001 From: Graham Allan <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam>-# Subject: Compaq management question 0 Message-ID: <w53d7clmfbg.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>  H This is certainly the wrong group, but I am sure someone like Terry will know the answer, so...  J Who's the Tru64 equivalent of Rich Marcello at Compaq? It appears hard-to-C impossible to discover from the Compaq web site (even Rich Marcelloe7 doesn't exist in the "Compaq Management Team" listing).e   Graham --  I -------------------------------------------------------------------------@: Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota I -------------------------------------------------------------------------o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:37:10 -0000r+ From: "shielm00" <Mike_Shield-1@sbphrd.com>c' Subject: Re: Compaq management questions2 Message-ID: <96ec9d$6er$1@phunn2.um.us.sbphrd.com>   Sorry,  K A little checking on the web shows that Tim is now an ex  VP and is working I for a company called Allaire. I'll fire up the laptop and check who is in( the host seat this week.   Mike   --C The opinions expressed in this communication are my own, and do not ) necessarily reflect those of my employer. > "Graham Allan" <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam> wrote in message* news:w53d7clmfbg.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu... > J > This is certainly the wrong group, but I am sure someone like Terry will > know the answer, so... >-L > Who's the Tru64 equivalent of Rich Marcello at Compaq? It appears hard-to-E > impossible to discover from the Compaq web site (even Rich Marcellos9 > doesn't exist in the "Compaq Management Team" listing).  >o > Graham > --K > -------------------------------------------------------------------------w< > Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-5040; > School of Physics and Astronomy - University of MinnesotayK > -------------------------------------------------------------------------e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:32:55 -0000t+ From: "shielm00" <Mike_Shield-1@sbphrd.com> ' Subject: Re: Compaq management question!2 Message-ID: <96ec39$6ep$1@phunn2.um.us.sbphrd.com>   Graham,a  G Unless things have changed lately, and I'm not logged in to base at the<K moment to check, its should still be Tim Yeaton, vice president and general0+ manager of Compaq's Unix Software Division.    Mike Shielde   --C The opinions expressed in this communication are my own, and do notc) necessarily reflect those of my employer.d> "Graham Allan" <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam> wrote in message* news:w53d7clmfbg.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu... >"J > This is certainly the wrong group, but I am sure someone like Terry will > know the answer, so... >dL > Who's the Tru64 equivalent of Rich Marcello at Compaq? It appears hard-to-E > impossible to discover from the Compaq web site (even Rich Marcello 9 > doesn't exist in the "Compaq Management Team" listing).  >  > Graham > --K > -------------------------------------------------------------------------c< > Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-5040; > School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota K > -------------------------------------------------------------------------w   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:07:02 GMT-1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>78 Subject: Re: Do tape parity errors affect data integrity2 Message-ID: <3A8AADEE.49A734B6@clarityconnect.com>  D Remember that BACKUP (unless you've turned it off) can recreate dataG lost to errors on a tape.  Also BACKUP uses it's own error handling foreG tapes in that it will just write a block again instead of repositioning E and writing a longer gap between records (I admit this is based on myeD 6250 9-track knowledge).  SO if you have errors on a tape you reallyC need to see if they are increasing or they always occur at the same G spot.  If the errors increase with each usage of a volume then toss theaD tape, if the tape errors are for the same spots then, IMHO, the tape? should be fine to use.  Personally I'm still looking for a nicesA application that will pull tape errors from the VMS error log andcH present the info on a per drive per volume basis and have the ability toE report what blocks on the volume are having the errors as an optional H detail.  It's one area that tape shops could really use to see if errorsA are following a tape or are only associated with certain devices.M  % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:h >  > cc:u > bcc:N > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza > - > Do tape parity errors affect data integrityh > P > This might seem a question which I might be expected to be able to answer, butL > if, during a backup operation I get a parity error on the tape, is my dataR > integrity compromised, or will that 'bit' of data just be shifted along the tape > [if you get my drift]? >  > Thanks >  > Steve Spires >  > [Information] -- PostMaster:F > This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beN > confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has beenR > addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or > use this transmission. > N > Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notJ > intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisH > transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message. >  > Thank you.   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:24:10 -0500o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)8 Subject: Re: Do tape parity errors affect data integrityL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1402011124100001@user-2ive6nn.dialup.mindspring.com>  C In article <3A8AADEE.49A734B6@clarityconnect.com>, "Mark D. Jilson"I! <jilly@clarityconnect.com> wrote:M  ) > Personally I'm still looking for a nice C > application that will pull tape errors from the VMS error log and J > present the info on a per drive per volume basis and have the ability toG > report what blocks on the volume are having the errors as an optionalUJ > detail.  It's one area that tape shops could really use to see if errorsC > are following a tape or are only associated with certain devices.   I I think Tapesys from Software Partners can do some error tracking.  Maybeu not everything in your list.   www.backupnow.com@   -- n Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comn   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 10:01:18 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>c* Subject: Re: Efficiency in processing bitsH Message-ID: <y4itmdd4f5.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  K Well, the Alpha architecture has a good set of instructions to do bit-field J extraction, and IIRC you can set the size of the field in the instruction.L These should be accessible from the C compiler via built-ins. You would haveN to do the accounting and the neccessary shifting yourself of course, includingG splicing the two halves of a field if it happens to sit across a 64-bit  (= register width) boundary.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:00:08 -0600 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>' Subject: RE: error while booting a 3400 - Message-ID: <0033000016203267000002L072*@MHS>V  % =0AMicroVAX/VAXstation FAQ located ato6 http://anacin.nsc.vcu.edu/~jim/mvax/mvax_faq_text.html   Thanks, Jim.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETs( Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:34 PM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET' Subject: RE: error while booting a 3400m    ! Bob <gneiss@mailroom.com> writes:   H > newer VAXes on ebay, for ex., but I wanted to give this a shot and le= arnsE > something in the bargain.  We have software manuals but no hardwareh > books.  -Bob)b >l! > Performing normal system tests: > > 41..40..39..38..37..36..35..34..33..32..31..30..29..28..27..  > I think this MAY be no DSSI terminaator. On the left top there< sould be a SCSI like connector between a pair of posts. That= should have a terminator on it. Will have a LED on it. Was it  in a DSSI cluster per chance?a  < You can get show dev ext out, so your are going pretty well.> HELP should work. If you can find the microvax FAQ, that gives< the magic T number that dumps all the test names, so you can see what test is failing.n   --< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076/ Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.=m   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:05:44 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aun4 Subject: Forget the old thread about no. of managers5 Message-ID: <01K042HJYEYQ009XN5@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>t   I wrote,  J and it reminded me of another (back in DEC/JAN) thread that discussed the  number of managers.   J >I am not a manager, I am just a simple little maths guy who runs our VMS L >systems as a part-time job.  VMS is so easy to run: I maintain two systems 9 >because we segregate our development and our production.M  L IIRC (and that was another thread :-), the originator asked how many to run 	 a system.h  F As above, I am part-time.  I went on leave and gave access to another M programming colleague.  I was able to leave email and phone contact numbers.  - Our system fell over once (pining for me :-).g  J Essentially to run our systems it only takes one -- me (but with at least M one back-up).  In some senses this is mission critical, but our org does not s pay us for that.  L I think it was Tim who defined at least three (for 7x24), but all this does L depend on what your org is prepared to pay for.  Orgs these days seem to be M prepared to pay for less and less.  Even security (paying for an eventuality iL that you never want, but realistically must guard against) has been reduced  to almost zilch here.O   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australial   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  F Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most  people, ; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.e   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 18:26:07 GMT" From: dorrt@nospamsutterhealth.org Subject: Re: Google buys Deja * Message-ID: <96eijv$vs8$1@news.netmar.com>  G I completely agree that the handling of DEJA by GOOGLE was done poorly.a= I will be logging a complaint with GOOGLE on how they failed.- Tom-  8 In article <3A896514.7D48F8C9@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn ! <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:) >u >c >Paul Repacholi wrote: >k7 >> young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:m >>! >> >       As I duck and cover...E >> >< >> >       I read a bit about what got handed over.  The old archives isaB >> >       the only great part I see so far.  I've been wanting to digT; >> >       through them for a while.  We have lost a lot of  information 8 >> >       with "only" May 15, 1999 to the present being accessible.a >> >@ >> >       The fact you can't seem to get to anything sure isn't
 that great >> >       at all. >>3 >> That getting better, it was Aug 2000 last night.- >>C >> They stated they are adding ALL the old DJ news archive, and arei workingp( >> on getting the posting etc back ASAP. >eH >It did remember my my-deja password reminder question but then wouldn't lets( >me in after resetting the password :-(. >-E >IMHO the recent transition egroups->yahoogroups is as seamless as ite gets >and shouldj* >be an example for all doing similar work. >? >Regards > --7 >Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs ProjectA1 >MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.fB >Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk > B >I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of >MedAS or the BBC. >  >A        O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----nM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups I    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postsiL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 13:31:04 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Google buys Deja 3 Message-ID: <XPXWVLF4fxMd@eisner.encompasserve.org>A  Y In article <3A896514.7D48F8C9@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  > K > IMHO the recent transition egroups->yahoogroups is as seamless as it gets< > and should+ > be an example for all doing similar work.  >   @ I disagree.  Yahoo insisted on having a second email address and< provided a hook to get a Yahoo email address.  Self serving.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation9= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupuE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:00:29 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>m/ Subject: Re: Hope for galactic host based raid? 8 Message-ID: <shsk8tst6gco87e55fm0i52ltjga2en95r@4ax.com>  E On 13 Feb 2001 22:58:47 GMT, dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.) wrote:   O >Host based raid has not been high on Compaq's priority list for VMS.  But doesa  ; Ermm, host based RAID has been available for VMS for years:r   $ SHOW DEV DPA1:/FULL1F Disk DPA1: (XXXVAX) is online, device type RAID0 Disk Array, is online  L >galaxy raise its priority?  Why go thru an external connect when you can goJ >through memory faster.  Can the expense of multi hosted adapters still beP >justified?  If your buffers are in shared memory, wouldn't host based raid fly?E > Is host based raid now a cheaper and faster engineering solution?  e  : Or are you just asking for better host based RAID support? -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:16:42 GMTo From: "Fatz" <fatz@fatz.com>? Subject: Re: How to detect if VT320 has local printer attached.m> Message-ID: <_yvi6.265518$w35.44387338@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>   > E >   Simply ask the terminal if it has a printer attached, and it will 
 >   tell you.S  ; Thanks for all your responses peeps.  Le probleme est fix.    Fatz.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:18:07 GMTl From: no.spam@columbus.rr.com-9 Subject: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?0= Message-ID: <zZzi6.28792$kU6.1067847@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>C  G Is there anyway to obtain a hobbyist version of CMS (v4.0 or v4.1) for > Alphas?n  F I've looked everywhere and cannot seem to find where to order it from  DECUS.  J At my work, we are looking at using CMS. However, I need to convince them J it is worth getting. We do Oracle development on Alphas and store all our 3 SQL scripts, DCL scripts, Forms and Reports on VMS.t  H However, they are pushing to use PVCS because many people do the actual  coding on the Windows side.   G With the DECSet client, this will alleviate that purpose. I've already oI tried to convince them about the plusses with the CMS clients (keeps the nK source on the Alphas which our managers and myself want), but you know the m< higher ups. They don't want to hear it, they want to see it.  C I would like to install a version of CMS with my DECUS license for TH demonstration purposes only. I've already downloaded the CMS Client and > Server demos from Compaq, but they also require CMS installed.  F Is is possible to even GET a hobbyist version of CMS? I don't know of H anyone else that has it to obtain it from (which I thought was legal as = long as it was used under the guise of the hobbyist license).6  F I'm only interested in testing out the Client to see if it's feasible I (which I think it will be from what I've read) for our department to use.s   Thanks!l     -- nM -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 9 Ivan Samuelson                 * isamuels@columbus.rr.com E IT Architect II                * http://home.columbus.rr.com/isamuelsr3 American Electric Power        * http://www.aep.com M -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:57:23 GMT , From: "Bruce E. Haddad" <haddad@neosoft.com> Subject: Hummingbird Exceed-C Message-ID: <Doui6.854$sn5.104895@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>   
 Hello All,  J Does anybody know how to get Hummingbird Exceed on the NT to display DEC XF Windows??  If you do, please reply via e-mail as well as posting here.   Thanks!!   Brucee  @ p.s. - also - how to get an IP printer to work from the VMS box!   behs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:16:02 +0000'  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: Hummingbird Exceed.H Message-ID: <OF2A1EF722.E0A9E8D6-ON802569F3.00431AD5@qedi.quintiles.com>  2 Bruce E. Haddad (haddad at neosoft dot com) asked:  C >>>p.s. - also - how to get an IP printer to work from the VMS box!w  F This is in the current FAQ.  See "MGMT 6 How do I connect a PostScriptJ printer via TCP/IP".  The principles (and command) are the same whether itK is a postscript printer where the printer does the conversion or whether it  is a plain text printer.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 12:05:37 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)- Subject: Re: Hummingbird Exceed-0 Message-ID: <96dsah$rjm$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  r In article <Doui6.854$sn5.104895@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Bruce E. Haddad" <haddad@neosoft.com> writes: >Hello All,- >-K >Does anybody know how to get Hummingbird Exceed on the NT to display DEC X-G >Windows??  If you do, please reply via e-mail as well as posting here.0 ><	 >Thanks!!- >b >Bruce > A >p.s. - also - how to get an IP printer to work from the VMS box!@  1 Which TCP/IP product do you have on your VMS box?    Regards,    Christoph Gartmanng  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:40:28 +0000 (GMT)e) From: Andy Harper <Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk>a Subject: Re: Hummingbird Exceedf: Message-ID: <SIMEON.10102141428.B@kings-ut-srv1.kcl.ac.uk>  H On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:57:23 GMT "Bruce E. Haddad" <haddad@neosoft.com>  wrote:   > Hello All, > L > Does anybody know how to get Hummingbird Exceed on the NT to display DEC XH > Windows??  If you do, please reply via e-mail as well as posting here.    F    Provided you have exceed running on your PC listening on the usual C port (6000 by default - which is screen 0 in X parlance), then you 0C simply need to do this on your VMS system from a decterminal window   G   set display /create /transport=tcpip /node=<ip-address or hostname>:0A  G Then all subsequent x applications started from that decterm will send n output to your exceed display.  B If you want to have 'proper' DECwindows running on your PC, where D you have the proper login screen when you connect and all the fancy @ stuff, then it's a bit more complicated. You need the following:=    a)  The VMS host must support XDMCP and it must be runningaE    b)  Exceed needs to be in single window mode and configured to useu@        XDMCP to connect to the specific VMS host when you start.  B Although it's possible to start 'proper' decwindows from a telnet F session into the VMS host, I have never found this very satisfactory. 0 In essence, you just run the decwindows manager:?    run $syst$system:....  [ sorry, forget what it's called now]v   Regards,   ---------------------- Andy Harper BSc, MBCS, C.Eng   Systems and Mail Manager Kings College London   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:39:39 -0600 (CST)w From: rmegee@tqtx.coma Subject: Re: Hummingbird Exceed 2 Message-ID: <200102141439.IAA05557@exwin.tqtx.com>  H I use the Exceed program XSTART to create a kinda of a profile to defineE the login to to my VAXes and Alphas.  I run a com file as the command $ that does the actual decterm launch.   	XSTART COMMAND:( 		@@sys$login:xwindow.com @A/trans=tcpip   	Contents of xwindow.com:r 		$ set display/create/node='p1e 		$ create/term, 		$ exit  F some vms commands in you login.com file might interfere with starting E a decterm so add this line to your login.com file near the beginning:   - 	$ if f$mode() .nes. "INTERACTIVE" then $exitd  D And if you have decwindows running on your vas/alpha it should work.     Robert >  > Hello All, > L > Does anybody know how to get Hummingbird Exceed on the NT to display DEC XH > Windows??  If you do, please reply via e-mail as well as posting here. > 
 > Thanks!! >  > Bruce  > B > p.s. - also - how to get an IP printer to work from the VMS box! >  > beh  >  >      --  P ================================================================================1                                 -----------------e1                                 |  elf Destruct |r1                                 ----------------- K    Never thinking that part of the button's label might have been worn off,-J    he thought that getting rid of those pesky elves would be a good thing.%    Moments later the ship exploded...:P ================================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:19:03 +0200B From: mauf@uhu.unizar.es Subject: Hummingbird Exceedy* Message-ID: <01021416190382@uhu.unizar.es>   My way is as follows:    1.- Start Exceed.exe on the PCE 2.- Telnet (using Hummingbird's telnet) to your VMS system, and login  (Username+Password).B 3.- Run the following .COM file (which should be put on your login@ directory or its complete "path" given in any symbol you choose.  0 $ a=f$element(1," ",f$getjpi("","tt_accpornam")) $ if p1 .eqs. "" then - :         inquire/nopunct p1 " Node name or number [''a']: " $ if p1 .eqs. "" then p1=a $ set display -          /create -l         /transport=tcpip -         /node='p1'  F This should get the IP address you are telneting from right. Just type  <return> to the offered default.  % 4.- Start your favorite X-applicationr  	 Best lucki   M.A.Uson  I P.S. It probably takes longer for the VMS umbrellas to arrive overseas...l1 but today is one of the few rainy days over here!h   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:16:02 GMTr+ From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <public@kits.net>f+ Subject: Re: IA-64 is Dead (Murderer:  EV7)e< Message-ID: <69ri6.13789$1%2.740551@sjc-read.news.verio.net>  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messages' news:87hf1ydrza.fsf@prep.synonet.com...a  D > > >So is the writing on the wall?  Will the IA-64 be the processor > > >that never was?D > Yep, joins the i960 ( thank you PDM for reminding me of that one )   i80860, actually.1   > and the IAPX-32.   Kit.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 10:22:17 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>d+ Subject: Re: IA-64 is Dead (Murderer:  EV7).H Message-ID: <y4d7cld3g6.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  . Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  H > Well, the patents in question are old, they are mainly from the KC-10,F > Jupiter development. The killer in them, for Intel, was one that wasH > for a 64 bit operation. Oddly, at the time, this would not effect a 32B > bit x86, but could stop the Itanic even better than the Iceberg.  G Is there any (publicly) available information on this? At the time, the.I parties were very close-mouthed about details, and even a certain rumour-Y+ mongerer didn't shed very much light on it.e   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 08:39:29 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)n' Subject: Re: KVM Switch for VT Keyboarde0 Message-ID: <96dg81$lms$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  [ In article <3A8A05AA.A2113FD3@bellsouth.net>, Shael Richmond <ksrich@bellsouth.net> writes: A >Does anybody know of a Keyboard,Video,Mouse switch that supportsa? >the VT keyboard?  I've tried several and haven't had any luck.0A >Compaq is no help, CSS's solution was a normal Compaq switch and  >a PC keyboard.   N ServeView+ from Rose Electronics or Dakota. I am typing this message right nowI on an LK411 connected to several Alphas, Macs and PCs. Up to now we found O one problem: after a reboot of an Alpha under OpenVMS you need to put in a realoL keyboard once and type a single character. No need to have the real keyboardF attached to the machine during the whole boot, only once afterwards is sufficient.r   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanne  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:46:12 -0800s! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.coma' Subject: Re: KVM Switch for VT KeyboardhD Message-ID: <OFBAF6CF1F.AAB09121-ON882569F3.0066943E@foundation.com>  K I have used a Belkin 4-port electronic switch, and a "PC Concepts" two porteH mechanical switch. The Belkin was occasionally troublesome, but could beK lived with in a pinch. The very primitive "PC Concepts" switch has given meiF no trouble at all, except a little degradation in image quality on theK monitor. Belkin you can get pretty much anywhere, the PC Concepts one I goti; from Fry's. There's no manufacturer's address on it, sorry.S   Shaneu          ? Shael Richmond <ksrich@bellsouth.net> on 02/13/2001 08:12:26 PMb   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr cc:   $ Subject:  KVM Switch for VT Keyboard    @ Does anybody know of a Keyboard,Video,Mouse switch that supports> the VT keyboard?  I've tried several and haven't had any luck.@ Compaq is no help, CSS's solution was a normal Compaq switch and a PC keyboard.   Thanks,    ShaelD   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:10:11 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com< Subject: LN05/LN06 - Power Supplies and fuser unit problems.H Message-ID: <OF75360500.7C8FD5B4-ON802569F1.007E95A9@qedi.quintiles.com>  J Anyone know how common the power supplies are in the LN05 (a.k.a. DEClaserB 2100) and LN06 (a.k.a. 2200), the latter with a duplex unit on it?F I have one of each and the LN06 has decided that it no longer wants toI work.  It was going through its self tests at power up and then giving an'H error #50 when it tried to print.  It's now not even completing its self4 tests before giving "50 SERVICE" in the LCD display.  J I understand that error code 50 is that the fuser unit is not reaching itsH operating temperature or not heating up at all but swapping a known goodH fuser unit in it didn't make any difference.  The printer still gave theH error #50 instead of printing so the next guess is the power supply.  IsC this likely to be a valid guess or am I missing something else thats regularly goes wrong with them?o   Thanks in advance. Steve.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 16:04:09 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)+ Subject: Re: Look at http://news.compaq.comw* Message-ID: <3a8a9e69$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  q In article <3a89b355$0$19152@SSP1NO25.highway.telekom.at>, "Robert Schmoelzer" <robert.schmoelzer@aon.at> writes:c3 >Found an interesting site @ http://news.compaq.comk( >What do you think about this Webmaster?   $ nslookup news.compaq.com Server:  localhost Address:  127.0.0.1a   Non-authoritative answer:) Name:    newsgate.tandem.com Address:  192.216.221.50 Aliases:  news.compaq.comu   HTTP/1.1 200 OK+# Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:54:55 GMTe Server: Apache/1.3.6 (Unix)s   So far, no problem.t3 Or did you expect TANDEM to run APACHE on OpenVMS ?a2 Or was it the old APACHE version which upset you ?  L Or was it the default/demo APACHE page which serves as the home page ?? Hihi  M At least it is one of the few sites where http://validator.w3.org has nothingaG to complain about. So, congratulations to the ... APACHE developers ;-)t   -- e< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:40:12 GMT-+ From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> : Subject: Re: MicroVAX II - local register I/O programming?+ Message-ID: <3A8AAF9C.D0210979@ins-msi.com>e  F The only register space I am aware of on a uVAXII that has a 'B' in itE is 200B8000-200B807E. This address range is the TOY clock and scratch ) pad RAM implemented by the MC146818 chip.r  H To program the console terminal interface use the MFPR/MTPR instructions with% the console SLU IPR register numbers:o  +     32 RXCS receive control/status register.     33 RXDB receive data bufferH!     34 TXCS transmit c/s register      35 TXDB transmit dbr  C The QBUS IOPAGE register space is at 20000000-20001FFF. The CPU canr: access all of the QBUS address space at 30000000-303FFFFF.  : The QBUS space mapping registers are at 20088000-2008FFFC.  0 The Boot and Diagnostic Register is at 20080000.0 The Memory System Error Register is at 20080004.0 The CPU Error Address Register   is at 20080008./ The DMA Error Address Register   is at 2008000C   E The console ROM is addressable in two spaces depending upon processoreE state. In HALT mode the ROM resides at 20040000-2004FFFF. In RUN mode C the ROM is at 20050000-2005FFFF. The ROM will appear multiple times A in these spaces depending upon the size of the actual ROM chips. H  D I think you need to find a copy of EK-KA630-UG-001, the KA630-AA CPU2 Module User's Guide. (No, you can't have mine. 8-)  & HTH, I'll try to answer any questions.  
 Jeff Campbell  n8wxs@arrl.net   Timothy Stark wrote: >  > Hello folks: > N > Does anyone know local register I/O progamming (between 200B000 and 200BFFFFM > location) for MicroVAX II/II+?  I can't find it anywhere.   I am working onbF > my VAX emulator and found out that I can't communicate without localK > register I/O programming like console terminal device, etc.  I am lookingi > for func specs for > programming. >  > Thank you! >  > -- Tim Stark   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 07:48:02 GMT( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) Subject: Re: More on caching0 Message-ID: <96dd7i$21b$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  , In article <96cm6k$9ki$1@feed.textport.net>,% Greg Lindahl <lindahl@pbm.com> wrote:u+ >nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) writes:a >a@ >> My experience is that a lot of programs do very well for some@ >> data sizes.  But, when you push the size up, it is common for= >> a critical inner loop to access more data than will fit in / >> cache, and the performance rapidly degrades.u >oD >My experience is that you can often use more nodes with larger dataD >sizes, and so you can stay in the sweet spot. It's _small_ datasets7 >which are more challenging; less scaling is available.d  C That is true, but the converse also applies.  A lot of applications B will not scale above (say) 64 nodes unless the problem is so large@ that it is infeasible to run on any current hardware.  Our users% have programs in both categories ....t     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:11:18 +0001=  From: Gary A <g1a2j@pacbell.net> Subject: No Risk Investments!!!s- Message-ID: <0G8Q009MTS6GHU@mx.west.saic.com>:   Investment Programs.....' $ 1 Million becomes $ 10 Million+......t) $ 10 Million becomes $ 100 Million+......=) $ 100 Million becomes $ 1 Billion+.......=! FOR MORE DETAILS; You MUST Issue:-) "Letter of Intent and Proof of Funds"....M2 Send Paperwork too: Gary A. g1a2j@pacbell.net.....!  To Be Removed: g1a2j@pacbell.net-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:47:59 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>i# Subject: Re: Oldest computer games? 8 Message-ID: <g6ok8to52a7son8m9svi3buhhop5c7j4ar@4ax.com>  1 On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:48:44 +0000, Tim Llewellyno  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:   >  >  >"William S. LaCounte" wrote:- >-H >> This sounds like Lunar Lander. This was a program than ran on the CDCH >> 6000 series computers. This was in the early 1970's. I suspect it wasK >> written in Compass, the assembler for the CDC 6000 series. All I know isnC >> that I crashed beaucoup times and never did make a safe landing.o >> >> Bille >SA >Sounds like it was ported to or copied for DECLander on VWS, the " >early VAXStation graphics system.  C I originally saw DECLander late 70s on a PDP 11/40 with GT graphicsrD console. If you landed in just the right place there was a McDonaldsC where you could grab a bite to eat. As it was a tricky landing more > likely was "congratulations - you have just destroyed the only McDonalds on the moon."i -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 13:04:06 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)# Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?w3 Message-ID: <ziXo1b84hmYb@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  V In article <3A895D61.43B3@ups.edu>, "William S. LaCounte" <vmsmanager@ups.edu> writes:G > This sounds like Lunar Lander. This was a program than ran on the CDC G > 6000 series computers. This was in the early 1970's. I suspect it wasPJ > written in Compass, the assembler for the CDC 6000 series. All I know isB > that I crashed beaucoup times and never did make a safe landing.  E Had one on the PDP-10 in the Rutgers high energy physics group in the  early 70's.u  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation|= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingm   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:07:42 -0400:' From: Jim Melhhop <mehlhop@mehlhop.org>d# Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?m* Message-ID: <3A8A66FE.5287DBB@mehlhop.org>   Bob Koehler wrote: > X > In article <3A895D61.43B3@ups.edu>, "William S. LaCounte" <vmsmanager@ups.edu> writes:I > > This sounds like Lunar Lander. This was a program than ran on the CDCtI > > 6000 series computers. This was in the early 1970's. I suspect it waswL > > written in Compass, the assembler for the CDC 6000 series. All I know isD > > that I crashed beaucoup times and never did make a safe landing. > G > Had one on the PDP-10 in the Rutgers high energy physics group in then
 > early 70's.    I had one on a GT40 pdp11t   > H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation.? > NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouphG >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 01:11 CST:' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)a& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items- Message-ID: <14FEB200101115205@gerg.tamu.edu>t  % Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes...e } I }I was thinking along the lines of a four foot wide VMS logo stencil, andi  }several cans of spray paint.... }  }Shane  C Now that would be an interesting promotional item: a four foot widenA VMS logo stencil and a can of spray paint. You too can put up VMS  graffiti all over the place.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:41:35 GMTg5 From: Lyndon Bartels <lyndon.bartels@childrenshc.org>-& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items/ Message-ID: <3A8A0C7F.63C57481@childrenshc.org>H  $ Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:  F > FYI, shortly after I posted my input above, the mail arrived with myF > umbrella.  I'm a bit disappointed that the only mention of VMS is onE > its wooden handle.  I'd have thought the canvas itself would have a F > logo.  It's certainly not a way for me to "fly the VMS flag" easily. >   G A co-worker of mine received his umberella today... upon looking at it,tE I thought the marking on the handle was very nice. Elegant. Tasteful.nB Not gaudy. Imaging if the fabric was white with a big "Q" on it...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:17:38 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional ItemsH Message-ID: <OF1DF46BA1.062E7A53-ON802569F3.003DBA53@qedi.quintiles.com>  J But wouldn't 12 months be a bit limiting?  How about 240 months for the 20< year minimum support for DII COE approved environments?  :-) Steve.K p.s.  I've got a Digital mouse mat but it has Digital Unix and WNT on it as=F well as VMS.  Although, (and this is something I've only just noticed)K OpenVMS and Digital Unix have their lettering towards the centre of the mat G where the Digital logo is.  WNT is pointed out of the mat instead......-  ) Koloth (koloth at tmisnet dot com) wrote:eI >>>1 - Vote for VMS 12 Month Calendar.  With Birthdays of VMS developers,o dates of important VMS developements.<<<    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:55:44 +0000=  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com& Subject: RE: OpenVMS Promotional ItemsH Message-ID: <OFA5EF499A.6871126A-ON802569F3.004160F0@qedi.quintiles.com>  K How about a permanent tattoo?  "VMS Forever" and it really would be foreverw on the recipient.........t Steve.  1 Doug W. (dashw459 at aol dot com eat spam) wrote:nF >>>How about a temporary tattoo.  A heart with "VMS or Nothing at all"
 might make" a lot of sense on some beaches.<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:23:16 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>r& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items8 Message-ID: <uhqk8tsd3v9pqn63jj2ahs4lqq2j64hmv9@4ax.com>  6 On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:46:08 +0000, "Steeples, Oliver"# <Oliver.Steeples@COMPAQ.com> wrote:   A >How do I get free vms stuff when I live in the UK???  Any ideas?  >h >	Oliver  B Same way as anyone else. Mail susan.skonetski@compaq.com with your9 details. Anyone in the UK got one yet. I'm still waiting.s     -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:47:19 +0100a# From: "Didier Morandi" <dmo@ims.ch>-& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items1 Message-ID: <a%vi6.101$Z3.6200@tengri.easynet.fr>n  D Real VMS users don't use mouse. They use good ol' vt100 keyboard :-)   D. (pure personal opinion :-)) --+ http://Didier.Morandi.Free.Fr/index_us.html>  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87vgqec9xs.fsf@prep.synonet.com...l$ > l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com writes:" > How about some VMS mouse pads? .   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:43:04 +0100n# From: "Didier Morandi" <dmo@ims.ch>-& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items1 Message-ID: <bXvi6.100$Z3.6270@tengri.easynet.fr>.  L Thank you very much, Sue (may I call you Sue? ) and a happy Valentine's day.K I will now be able to replace my red DECville'85 beach towel by a brand new  umbrella. Nice :-)
 Chaud regard,.   D. --+ http://Didier.Morandi.Free.Fr/index_us.html,  = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in messagee1 news:VWai6.633$cu.2490@gazette.loc1.tandem.com...b >o >a > Dear Newsgroup,  ../..h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:53:04 -0600t* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>& Subject: RE: OpenVMS Promotional Items- Message-ID: <0033000016202278000002L082*@MHS>   = =0AI want a VMS-branded EMP gun that can destroy Wintel boxesu! from a distance of twenty metres.-   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET(( Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 6:44 PM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET" Subject: OpenVMS Promotional Items    H Got my umbrella today... Thanks, Sue!  Unfortunately, after spending 25=  yearsH in Portland OR, it doesn't rain enough here in Denver for me to ever ca= reH about getting wet again.  So, I'm passing mine along to another VMS loy= alistw( who's spending lots of time in Portland.  H Now, as an reseller/partner, if I could only get my hands on some give-= awaystH that my/our potential/future *customers* would value, and which would m= ake 'emnH aware of VMS as the next and current big deal, we'd be getting somewher= e!  Hey,H Sue, those key-chain climber-clips, if stamped with some good "VMS rule= s!"hH slogan/marketing phrase, would be just dandy.  Or some VMS- and Alpha-b= randed Photon-Lights?  -- Lorin=m   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:48:06 +0100-# From: "Didier Morandi" <dmo@ims.ch> & Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items1 Message-ID: <U%vi6.102$Z3.6240@tengri.easynet.fr>    1 vote more  D. --+ http://Didier.Morandi.Free.Fr/index_us.htmlt  . "Koloth" <koloth@tmisnet.com> wrote in message% news:3A8A2AF0.17184093@tmisnet.com... H > 1 - Vote for VMS 12 Month Calendar.  With Birthdays of VMS developers, dates of > important VMS developements. >  >a > Howard S Shubs wrote:6 > @ > > In article <87vgqec9xs.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi" > > <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote: > >1' > > >l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com writes:. > > > H > > >> Now, as an reseller/partner, if I could only get my hands on someK > > >> give-aways that my/our potential/future *customers* would value, and J > > >> which would make 'em aware of VMS as the next and current big deal,K > > >> we'd be getting somewhere!  Hey, Sue, those key-chain climber-clips,iG > > >> if stamped with some good "VMS rules!"  slogan/marketing phrase, J > > >> would be just dandy.  Or some VMS- and Alpha-branded Photon-Lights? > > >hF > > >Yeah. Seen the 'Linux roars' mouse pads? They are the best I have? > > >found ( bit small though ). How about some VMS mouse pads?a > > K > > Or, for something -I- might use (never use mousepads with my trackball,y for? > > some reason),l > >h > > A VMS calendar, & > >    ...with images of the VMS team?D > >    ...how 'bout with pictures of different CPUs and peripherals?& > >    ...a VMS-trivia-a-day calendar! > >e > > VMS logoed > >    ...blank CD-R media?i > >    ...note pads?' > >    ...oven mitts? (it's hot stuff!)p > >    ...glassware?I > >    ...car?  I can see it now: a New Bug painted like a VAX-11/780 ala  the iMacL > > Bug.  Hm, maybe use a better choice of model.  -Windows- should come out on a > > Bug. > > -- > > Howard S ShubsH > > "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!" >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:24:50 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brv& Subject: RE: OpenVMS Promotional ItemsL Message-ID: <OF51B310C1.9E7F5AB4-ON032569F3.00548FE1@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  I I prefer a gun to destroy Linux boxes ..... or one of those rubber sharks " eating small rubber penguins ! ! !     Regardst   FC        ; WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> em 14/02/2001 12:53:04              Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come      & Assunto: RE: OpenVMS Promotional Items      : I want a VMS-branded EMP gun that can destroy Wintel boxes! from a distance of twenty metres.t   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETa( Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 6:44 PM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET" Subject: OpenVMS Promotional Items    G Got my umbrella today... Thanks, Sue!  Unfortunately, after spending 25h years@I in Portland OR, it doesn't rain enough here in Denver for me to ever careaC about getting wet again.  So, I'm passing mine along to another VMSe loyalist( who's spending lots of time in Portland.  A Now, as an reseller/partner, if I could only get my hands on some.
 give-awaysJ that my/our potential/future *customers* would value, and which would make 'emvI aware of VMS as the next and current big deal, we'd be getting somewhere!t Hey,J Sue, those key-chain climber-clips, if stamped with some good "VMS rules!"? slogan/marketing phrase, would be just dandy.  Or some VMS- anda
 Alpha-brandedt Photon-Lights?  -- Lorin   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 16:29:07 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items* Message-ID: <3a8aa443$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  W In article <a%vi6.101$Z3.6200@tengri.easynet.fr>, "Didier Morandi" <dmo@ims.ch> writes: E >Real VMS users don't use mouse. They use good ol' vt100 keyboard :-)n  @ Make that a VT300 or above (with US keyboard !!) then I agree...   -- e< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888r< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:55:43 -0600 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>r& Subject: RE: OpenVMS Promotional ItemsL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0BDD535C@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----F > From: l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com [mailto:l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com]   [snip]  @ > Sue, those key-chain climber-clips, if stamped with some good  > "VMS rules!"> > slogan/marketing phrase, would be just dandy.  Or some VMS-  > and Alpha-brandeda > Photon-Lights?  -- Lorin  & I'll second the photon-light thing. :)   Christ  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");r 'i   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 11:28:35 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items3 Message-ID: <V0aB9oqVPjJ1@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  p In article <009F794E.D8C6B369@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:F > FYI, shortly after I posted my input above, the mail arrived with myF > umbrella.  I'm a bit disappointed that the only mention of VMS is onE > its wooden handle.  I'd have thought the canvas itself would have a F > logo.  It's certainly not a way for me to "fly the VMS flag" easily. >   H I too had imagined a larger logo before I got the umbrella, but I really like it as shipped!o  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupSE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingT   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 00:15:56 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items- Message-ID: <87k86t1br8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>w  , WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:  < > I want a VMS-branded EMP gun that can destroy Wintel boxes# > from a distance of twenty metres.   < No, you are comfused. The one you are looking for is branded MicroSoft Windows.   -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.i@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:56:42 +0000.- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>(& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items) Message-ID: <3A8A9CAA.265D296F@bbc.co.uk>u   Didier Morandi wrote:s  F > Real VMS users don't use mouse. They use good ol' vt100 keyboard :-) >r  E nah, real VMS users use a 3 button mouse and Xwindows, at least sinceC the early 90's.     --.6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uka  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of6 MedAS or the BBC.m   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 18:14:09 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items* Message-ID: <3a8abce1$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  Y In article <3A8A9CAA.265D296F@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:. >Didier Morandi wrote:G >> Real VMS users don't use mouse. They use good ol' vt100 keyboard :-)1 >7F >nah, real VMS users use a 3 button mouse and Xwindows, at least since >the early 90's.  O But the keyboard is still a VTx00 one, a LK201/LK401/LK461/... just as we wrote4   -- 0< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888a< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 12:54:29 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)& Subject: RE: OpenVMS Promotional Items3 Message-ID: <Rew$iVCmJTOi@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  z In article <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0BDD534C@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>, Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> writes: > 5 > Actually, a VMS beach _towel_ might be very useful.r >   B I got a DECUS beach towel in Anaheim years ago.  Still works fine.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationb= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupoE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingh   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 12:58:42 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items3 Message-ID: <xsZfqG+2WtQb@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  k In article <OF1DF46BA1.062E7A53-ON802569F3.003DBA53@qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:.L > But wouldn't 12 months be a bit limiting?  How about 240 months for the 20> > year minimum support for DII COE approved environments?  :-)  G Nothing less than an 18 year calendar will really do.  With pictures of- the Irish Railway cluster?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying:   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 12:57:19 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items3 Message-ID: <yS0ui6qajy2G@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  m In article <hshubs-F13DD5.23451913022001@news.mindspring.com>, Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> writes:e >  > A VMS calendar,n$ >    ...with images of the VMS team?B >    ...how 'bout with pictures of different CPUs and peripherals?$ >    ...a VMS-trivia-a-day calendar!   You want your own VAXbar, too?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group-E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingo   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 17:57:51 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) & Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items+ Message-ID: <96eguv$2g8$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>S  ) In article <3A8A9CAA.265D296F@bbc.co.uk>, 0  Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes: |> F |> 1 |> Didier Morandi wrote: |> nI |> > Real VMS users don't use mouse. They use good ol' vt100 keyboard :-)a |> > |> wH |> nah, real VMS users use a 3 button mouse and Xwindows, at least since |> the early 90's.  + But it has to be round like a hockey puck!!d   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   O   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:11:28 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br & Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional ItemsL Message-ID: <OFA98DDA42.843318EA-ON032569F3.00695812@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  J Nice idea ... a miniature of the cutest Microvax II    to put in my desk ! ! !u With blinkining lights ! !   Regards    FC        E koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) em 14/02/2001 15:57:19b             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt      & Assunto: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items    G In article <hshubs-F13DD5.23451913022001@news.mindspring.com>, Howard S % Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> writes:- >- > A VMS calendar,,$ >    ...with images of the VMS team?B >    ...how 'bout with pictures of different CPUs and peripherals?$ >    ...a VMS-trivia-a-day calendar!   You want your own VAXbar, too?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupnE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingv   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:19:33 -0800 / From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>.& Subject: RE: OpenVMS Promotional ItemsM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FE0E8@seantexch.unitedad.com>n  2 You don't questions until your licenses plate says(  "VAX VMS" and your bumper sticker says <  | I "a heart" my VAX |. and your have VMS cheesier cat cap      Terry        -----Original Message-----> From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:system@SendSpamHere.ORG]( Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 6:29 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items    G In article <VWai6.633$cu.2490@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>, "Sue Skonetski"t$ <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes: >o >a >Dear Newsgroup, > J >I have received a number of enquiries about the OpenVMS customer database >for promotional items.-  G ... I still haven't received an umbrella but I proudly wear and use any<F of my VMS "branded" promotional items as often as I can in public.  IfH DEC/Compaq didn't/doesn't want to let the general public know about VMS,F I do!  I get plenty of questions from folks about "What is VMS?"  As IG see it, one problem with these promotional items is that the recipients	; keep them stashed away in their workspace as novelty items.q     >Why do we do it?.  0 ... so Brian has plenty of T-shirts to wear?  ;)   --2 VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            DI city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named afterg them.a   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 18:15:18 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)e& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items+ Message-ID: <96ehvm$2g8$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>a  3 In article <xsZfqG+2WtQb@eisner.encompasserve.org>,87  koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:a |> mJ |> Nothing less than an 18 year calendar will really do.  With pictures of |> the Irish Railway cluster?:  > When did this become a cluster??  I thought they said it was aA single machine.  Were there clusters 18 years ago?? (Really, thisy: is a legitimate question.)  If this is really a cluster, I: withdraw my statements of disbelief.  I have no doubt that< using rolling upgrades a VMS cluster could be kept going for; 18 years, I just objected to the idea that a single 18 year/> old machine (which would make it a relatively early model VAX)9 could be kept running continuously for 18 years without am7 single harware or OS upgrade or even a simple re-boot. -   bill   -- -J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:45:22 -0500-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>R& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items, Message-ID: <3A8AD241.51B713A6@videotron.ca>  6 You want promotional items that people will remember ?  M Some high quality condoms with the "VMS" logo imprinted on the condom as well  as the caption:t 	"always up when you need it"n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:55:20 -0800a! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comh& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional ItemsD Message-ID: <OF58546BB1.F50FA9D9-ON882569F3.0067EA30@foundation.com>  2 Exactly. If they won't advertise, maybe we should.   Shanel          ; carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) on 02/13/2001 11:11:00 PMb   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come cc:!  ' Subject:  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items     % Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes...  }gI }I was thinking along the lines of a four foot wide VMS logo stencil, andd  }several cans of spray paint.... }- }Shane  C Now that would be an interesting promotional item: a four foot wideeA VMS logo stencil and a can of spray paint. You too can put up VMSe graffiti all over the place.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:43:13 -0500t1 From: "Forster, Michael " <MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG> : Subject: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer formP Message-ID: <709CDBE6CA13D311B4DF0008C7EAD0C60444391F@phsexch13.mgh.harvard.edu>  
 Good morning,   L I'd like to pass init strings (PCL codes) to an HP printer via a print queueL form. Do I have to use a library object via DEFINE/FORM/PAGE_SETUP=(module)?  1 We're on MULTINET V4.1 rev A-X, and VMS V6.2-1H3.e   mr Michael J. Forster Applications Analyst IIe   Partners Healthcaret One Constitution Center West Charlestown, MA 02129  Email: MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG Voice: 617-726-1426e Fax:    617-726-9099 Beeper: 617-724-5656 PIN 20902   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 11:26:30 -0500% From: briggs@eisner.encompasserve.orgt> Subject: Re: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form3 Message-ID: <rgoJbL+Pmj7z@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <709CDBE6CA13D311B4DF0008C7EAD0C60444391F@phsexch13.mgh.harvard.edu>, "Forster, Michael " <MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG> writes: > Good morning,h > N > I'd like to pass init strings (PCL codes) to an HP printer via a print queueN > form. Do I have to use a library object via DEFINE/FORM/PAGE_SETUP=(module)?  G Yes, that's the correct way.  Note that /PAGE_SETUP specifies a libraryyI module to be inserted once per page and /SETUP specifies a library moduleo to be inserted once per file.   I Well, I think /SETUP is once per file and not once per job, but I haven't  checked carefully.   Alternative approaches:c  G Since you also mention that you're using Multinet, I assume that you'reoD using MULTINET_LPD_SYMBIONT or MULTINET_STREAM_SYMBIONT.  So settingE up a custom symbiont using PSM$ or SMB$ routines is pretty well ruled- out.  C You could put escape sequences in a separate file and have the userqA $ PRINT setup.pcl,myfile.txt  But the symbiont is going to inserte@ a form feed between the two files, so that's not too attractive.  F You could have the user $ PRINT /SETUP= insead of $ PRINT /FORM=.  ButC you still have to have the setup modules in a library module.  Note D that the /SETUP= setup module comes after the file flag page and the4 /FORM= setup module comes before the file flag page.  B You could use DEFINE /QUEUE /SEPARATE=RESET=(reset-modules) if you; want to force a particular setup with no user intervention.   F You could use EXECSYMB (sp?) to process the data stream and resubmit aG modified file for printing on the real print queue.  If you want to get - very fancy, I highly recommend this approach.O  . 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.encompasserve.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:34:04 -0500R/ From: "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> > Subject: RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer formI Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB412@rlghncst625.usps.gov>,  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C096A3.F1867390a Content-Type: text/plain;e 	charset="iso-8859-1"e  . If it were me, I'd create a textfile with the 2 PCL sequences in it and insert it into the control2 library that you're using to run your HP printers  with.   7 You *are* running your HPs with an HP-specific control   library, aren't you?   WWWebb     -----Original Message-----0 From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET + Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 10:48 AMa6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET: Subject: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form    
 Good morning,s  L I'd like to pass init strings (PCL codes) to an HP printer via a print queueL form. Do I have to use a library object via DEFINE/FORM/PAGE_SETUP=(module)?  1 We're on MULTINET V4.1 rev A-X, and VMS V6.2-1H3.    m  Michael J. Forster Applications Analyst II    Partners Healthcareh One Constitution Center West Charlestown, MA 02129p Email: MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG Voice: 617-726-1426- Fax:    617-726-9099 Beeper: 617-724-5656 PIN 20902  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C096A3.F1867390u Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">i <HTML> <HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">H <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12">D <TITLE>RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form</TITLE> </HEAD>b <BODY>  E <P><FONT SIZE=2>If it were me, I'd create a textfile with the </FONT> J <BR><FONT SIZE=2>PCL sequences in it and insert it into the control</FONT>J <BR><FONT SIZE=2>library that you're using to run your HP printers </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>with.</FONT>" </P>  N <P><FONT SIZE=2>You *are* running your HPs with an HP-specific control </FONT>, <BR><FONT SIZE=2>library, aren't you?</FONT> </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=2>WWWebb</FONT>n </P> <BR>  1 <P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> H <BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET </FONT>C <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 10:48 AM</FONT> N <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET</FONT>R <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form</FONT> </P> <BR>  $ <P><FONT SIZE=2>Good morning,</FONT> </P>  c <P><FONT SIZE=2>I'd like to pass init strings (PCL codes) to an HP printer via a print queue</FONT>ud <BR><FONT SIZE=2>form. Do I have to use a library object via DEFINE/FORM/PAGE_SETUP=(module)?</FONT> </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=2>We're on MULTINET V4.1 rev A-X, and VMS V6.2-1H3.</FONT> </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=2>m</FONT>* <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Michael J. Forster</FONT>/ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Applications Analyst II</FONT>  </P>  * <P><FONT SIZE=2>Partners Healthcare</FONT>4 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>One Constitution Center West</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Charlestown, MA 02129</FONT> 4 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Email: MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG</FONT>+ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Voice: 617-726-1426</FONT> ; <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Fax:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 617-726-9099</FONT> 6 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Beeper: 617-724-5656 PIN 20902</FONT> </P>   </BODY>r </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C096A3.F1867390--    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:47:11 -0500-1 From: "Forster, Michael " <MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG> > Subject: RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer formP Message-ID: <709CDBE6CA13D311B4DF0008C7EAD0C604443923@phsexch13.mgh.harvard.edu>  L Hmm. The simple shortcut never occurred to me. That might be helpful while IL perfect the PCL string - I'm trying to align the printing with a pre-printed form.u  P What's the best way for me to quickly learn how to create library objects? WouldJ the Compaq website be a good start or do you have any pointers/cheatsheet?  O One PCL string example of what I have to pass to the printer is (In my example,,O *27 indicates the <ESC>, don't know what the library control uses as the code):w= 		*27,"&l0L",*27,"&l6D",*27,"&l0E",*27,"&l125Z",*27,"&l-233U"      Thanks!!   m    > -----Original Message-----N > From:	briggs@eisner.encompasserve.org [SMTP:briggs@eisner.encompasserve.org]- > Sent:	Wednesday, February 14, 2001 11:27 AM  > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come@ > Subject:	Re: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form >  > In articleG > <709CDBE6CA13D311B4DF0008C7EAD0C60444391F@phsexch13.mgh.harvard.edu>,s5 > "Forster, Michael " <MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG> writes:  > > Good morning,d > > P > > I'd like to pass init strings (PCL codes) to an HP printer via a print queueP > > form. Do I have to use a library object via DEFINE/FORM/PAGE_SETUP=(module)? > I > Yes, that's the correct way.  Note that /PAGE_SETUP specifies a libraryeK > module to be inserted once per page and /SETUP specifies a library module1 > to be inserted once per file.a > K > Well, I think /SETUP is once per file and not once per job, but I haven'ta > checked carefully. >  > Alternative approaches:- > I > Since you also mention that you're using Multinet, I assume that you'reoF > using MULTINET_LPD_SYMBIONT or MULTINET_STREAM_SYMBIONT.  So settingG > up a custom symbiont using PSM$ or SMB$ routines is pretty well ruled9 > out. > E > You could put escape sequences in a separate file and have the userwC > $ PRINT setup.pcl,myfile.txt  But the symbiont is going to insert B > a form feed between the two files, so that's not too attractive. > H > You could have the user $ PRINT /SETUP= insead of $ PRINT /FORM=.  ButE > you still have to have the setup modules in a library module.  NoteGF > that the /SETUP= setup module comes after the file flag page and the6 > /FORM= setup module comes before the file flag page. > D > You could use DEFINE /QUEUE /SEPARATE=RESET=(reset-modules) if you= > want to force a particular setup with no user intervention.: > H > You could use EXECSYMB (sp?) to process the data stream and resubmit aI > modified file for printing on the real print queue.  If you want to getm/ > very fancy, I highly recommend this approach.l > 0 > 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.encompasserve.org   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 12:18:49 -0500% From: briggs@eisner.encompasserve.orgc> Subject: RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form3 Message-ID: <VW4IMeoxI56J@eisner.encompasserve.org>-   In article <709CDBE6CA13D311B4DF0008C7EAD0C604443923@phsexch13.mgh.harvard.edu>, "Forster, Michael " <MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG> writes:R > What's the best way for me to quickly learn how to create library objects? WouldL > the Compaq website be a good start or do you have any pointers/cheatsheet? > Q > One PCL string example of what I have to pass to the printer is (In my example,lQ > *27 indicates the <ESC>, don't know what the library control uses as the code):F? > 		*27,"&l0L",*27,"&l6D",*27,"&l0E",*27,"&l125Z",*27,"&l-233U"@  F First, you need to figure out what device control library your printer is currently using..  
 For instance:c   $ show queue /fu rmt_129E Printer queue RMT_129, idle, on ALPHA::NLP42:, mounted form LANDSCAPE   (stock=DEFAULT)#   <LPD queue on 149.32.33.203 text>-B   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=LANDSCAPE (stock=DEFAULT)) 1   /LIBRARY=PCL5_DEVCTL Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM] w            ^^^^^^^^^^^@   /PROCESSOR=MULTINET_LPD_SYMBIONT /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) $s   Or   $ multi conf /printer-6 MultiNet Remote Printer Configuration Utility V4.3(25)B [Reading in configuration from MULTINET:REMOTE-PRINTER-QUEUES.COM] PRINTER-CONFIG>show rmt_129gL Queue Name                   Destination                   Remote Queue NameL ----------                   ---------------               -----------------'         Spool Device will be set /NOTABrO RMT_129                      149.32.33.203                 text                l          Default Form = LANDSCAPE-         Remote Banner Page will be suppressed ,         Device Control Library = PCL5_DEVCTL,                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^  L Device control libraries exist in SYS$LIBRARY: and have an extension of .TLB  " $ dir sys$library:pcl5_devctl.tlb    Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]t  ( PCL5_DEVCTL.TLB;14  PCL5_DEVCTL.TLB;13     Total of 2 files.- $   G As long as you have queues running that make use of a particular deviceaB control library, the symbionts that run those queues will keep theE library open.  You can't modify modules in an open library.  So, whato you need to do is:  : 1.  Create a text file with the escape sequences you want.< 2.  Copy the in-use device control library to a new version.; 3.  Update the device control library with your new module.0' 4.  Stop and restart the print queue(s)b   $ EDIT my_module.txtE (one assumes that you can insert literal escape sequences into a text3%  file using the editor of your choice > $ LIBRARY /INSERT /TEXT SYS$LIBRARY:my_library my_module.txt -            /MODULE=my_module_name?   (or $ LIBRARY /REPLACE if you're updating an existing module)r: $ COPY SYS$LIBRARY:my_library.TLB SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB] /LOG $ STOP /NEXT my_queue-  $ ... wait for queue to stop ... $ START /QUEUE my_queue-  F I think that the Multinet print symbionts are single-threaded.  So youH just have to stop and start the queue you are interested in.  Some printG symbionts are multi-threaded and you will need to stop all print queues-H that use a particular symbiont process before that symbiont process will
 terminate.  A Note the target file specification is SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB] and noteD SYS$LIBRARY.  If you understand why, that's great.  If you don't, we. can discuss the reasons in a different thread.  G Check out $ HELP LIBRARY and $ LIBRARY /LIST for more information aboutA libraries under VMS.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 10:22:38 +01008 From: holitska_a@ludens.elte.hu (Holi - Holitska Andrs)+ Subject: Possible security hole in VMS MailS! Message-ID: <8A2l7eXOW8Pp@ludens>o  	 Hi there!   / I found something interesting in VMS Mail, whene- I experimented with some VT escape sequences.a  - One of my friends told me, that VMS Mail doesh. not evaluate the VT escape sequences, to avoid/ a breaking into the system with the use of some . tricky key redefinition (happend some times to! earlier ( < 4.5 ?) VMS systems)).M   Now here is my problem:m  " 	VMS Mail DOES evalutate VT escape$ 	sequences, when replying to a mail,$ 	AND the escape sequences are in the! 	subject of the mail replying to.o    	(normally it changes the escape' 	(27 DEC) character to a . or a $ sign)e  , I don't know if this is a known issue, but I- think it would be wise to avoid this behaviorW, in future (possibly 7.3 :]) versions of VMS.   Regards: 	<Holi>) 	Holitska Andras   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 13:52:52 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)/ Subject: Re: Possible security hole in VMS Mail-3 Message-ID: <2jomDQy9yP+6@eisner.encompasserve.org>8  \ In article <8A2l7eXOW8Pp@ludens>, holitska_a@ludens.elte.hu (Holi - Holitska Andrs) writes: > Hi there!  > 1 > I found something interesting in VMS Mail, when2/ > I experimented with some VT escape sequences..  	 $mail/old.    as in sylogin.com:s   $mail:==mail/old   Not perfect, but better.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationg= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:53:36 +0000S% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>aD Subject: Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 41008 Message-ID: <q7sk8tsin0srjkgqcaag4lckp0isplia5a@4ax.com>  E On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:01:23 -0500, "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov>u wrote:   >Group,m > J >     I have an AlphaServer 4100 running VMS V7.2-1 clustered with anotherL >AlphaServer 4100 running VMS V7.1.  We are using a Quorum disk.  Our OracleO >DBA has been trying to set up ORACLE 8.1.6 on the VMS V7.2-1 system.  Since he L >has started working on it, after he starts up Oracle, the system drops fromN >the cluster.  A show cluster on the other system shows it in BRK_NON state (IK >think this is the correct state, but it is from memory, so it might be offrN >slightly).  If the system is left alone, it will stay in this state for aboutN >an hour.  Then it will crash and reboot.  Looking at the crash dump, it gives >the reason: > - >CLUEXIT, Node voluntarily exiting VMScluster-  D What's happening here is that sysgen param recnxinterval is exceededD without any communication from other cluster nodes and the node thenD exits the cluster.  Could Oracle be shutting down a critical networkF interface? Do you have any messages from OPCOM or  CNXMAN prior to the crash?  J >     Oracle is started up in 3 parts at our site, so we started each partN >individually to try and determine what part was causing the crash.  The threeI >parts correspond roughly to Installing the Images, Starting the ListenercJ >Process, and Starting the Database Process.  When we started them in thatM >order this afternoon, it waited until the third part was completed before itoL >went away.  It is not immediate, so we left about an hour between each partN >and it went away about 15 minutes after the last part was started.  Tomorrow,L >I want to try and swap the order of the second and third parts to see if itI >requires all three parts be completed or if it is truly the Starting theD( >Database Process that causes the crash. >dL >     Does any of this sound familiar to someone who could give me a pointerI >where to look to correct this problem?  If more information is required,S1 >please let me know and I will try to provide it.n >M >Thanks, >  >Dale A. Marcy/ >Science Applications International Corporationa   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:19:42 +0000S  From: steven.reece@quintiles.comD Subject: Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100H Message-ID: <OF0E59C9D9.6B50FAB7-ON802569F3.0048891D@qedi.quintiles.com>  C Although it is probably unrelated to your crash, our DBAs start the J database before starting the listeners.  this would seem reasonable, givenH that the listeners aren't going to be able to connect to a database that hasn't been started yet.K How active are your network connections?  Could it be that they are gettingLK flooded by database traffic or by superfluous cruft?  A CLUEXIT crash wouldyJ mean that the node is disappearing and then reappearing to the rest of the cluster.K Do you have any other cluster interconnect or is it just network based withS shared SCSI? Steve.  2 Dale A. Marcy (dqm at y12 dot doe dot gov) wrote :G >>>     Oracle is started up in 3 parts at our site, so we started eache partG individually to try and determine what part was causing the crash.  Theu threelH parts correspond roughly to Installing the Images, Starting the ListenerI Process, and Starting the Database Process.  When we started them in thatiI order this afternoon, it waited until the third part was completed beforef itK went away.  It is not immediate, so we left about an hour between each partoB and it went away about 15 minutes after the last part was started.	 Tomorrow,oK I want to try and swap the order of the second and third parts to see if itlH requires all three parts be completed or if it is truly the Starting the* Database Process that causes the crash.<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:48:25 -0500o. From: "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com>D Subject: Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100+ Message-ID: <96e5q0$kja$1@bob.news.rcn.net>s  D BEFORE you start this process, make sure you have plenty of GBLPAGESF on your Oracle System.  I have seen strange things (like a single-node? development system hang) on startup when starting Oracle 8.1.6.-  G I had enough GBLPAGES for the INSTALL step, but apparently just too fewm6 for the STARTUP step (when the SGA gets loaded, etc.).  D On VMS 7.2-1, this is a GBLPAGES is a DYNAMIC parameter.  Increasing it fixed my problem.  I You did not say if you are reserving memory for the SGA at boot time; youo need. to make sure you have enough for that as well.   Ken Randellm  0 Dale A. Marcy <dqm@y12.doe.gov> wrote in message% news:3A89AEB3.D3BCEAC5@y12.doe.gov...p > Group, >sK >      I have an AlphaServer 4100 running VMS V7.2-1 clustered with anothernF > AlphaServer 4100 running VMS V7.1.  We are using a Quorum disk.  Our OracleF > DBA has been trying to set up ORACLE 8.1.6 on the VMS V7.2-1 system. Since heH > has started working on it, after he starts up Oracle, the system drops fromL > the cluster.  A show cluster on the other system shows it in BRK_NON state (IL > think this is the correct state, but it is from memory, so it might be offI > slightly).  If the system is left alone, it will stay in this state fori aboutiI > an hour.  Then it will crash and reboot.  Looking at the crash dump, ita givesy
 > the reason:I >F. > CLUEXIT, Node voluntarily exiting VMScluster >rK >      Oracle is started up in 3 parts at our site, so we started each part I > individually to try and determine what part was causing the crash.  The2 threeiJ > parts correspond roughly to Installing the Images, Starting the ListenerK > Process, and Starting the Database Process.  When we started them in that-K > order this afternoon, it waited until the third part was completed beforeD itH > went away.  It is not immediate, so we left about an hour between each partD > and it went away about 15 minutes after the last part was started.	 Tomorrow,nJ > I want to try and swap the order of the second and third parts to see if itJ > requires all three parts be completed or if it is truly the Starting the) > Database Process that causes the crash.s >eE >      Does any of this sound familiar to someone who could give me aa pointeroJ > where to look to correct this problem?  If more information is required,2 > please let me know and I will try to provide it. > 	 > Thanks,f >c > Dale A. MarcyB0 > Science Applications International Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:09:53 -0800a0 From: "William S. LaCounte" <vmsmanager@ups.edu>D Subject: Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100" Message-ID: <3A8AADD2.C11@ups.edu>  F We are running multiple versions of Oracle under VMS 7.2-1 and have no; problems. However, we also perform the startup in 3 phases.    1. Install the imagesr 2. Startup the instances 3. Startup the listenerr  D We do this in this order for each version of Oracle. The versions we" currently use are 7.3.4 and 8.0.5.   Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:52:55 -0700/- From: "Rowell, Bradley" <browell@state.mt.us>OD Subject: RE: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100@ Message-ID: <1245D1C0C039D411933708002BB29C644B2894@DOAISD02003>  B Make sure you have all the latest patches on VMS for Oracle 8.1.6, especially:>   VMS721_ACRTL-V0200 TCPIPALP_E01A50   = I have found no problem starting the listener before or afters> the database startup.  We have several Oracle 8.1.6 databases < running on a very similar configuration.  However all of our nodes are 7.2-1.  & -------------------------------------- Bradley G. Rowelle$ Montana Department of Transportation 2701 Prospect Avenue
 PO Box 201001x Helena, MT  59620-1001 (406) 444-7263 smtpmail@browell@state.mt.us' ---------------------------------------m   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:37:43 -0400d' From: Jim Melhhop <mehlhop@mehlhop.org>gD Subject: Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100+ Message-ID: <3A8A5FF7.3B9603B5@mehlhop.org>e  5 Are you running TCPIP for VMS or Multinet or TCPware?t     Rowell, Bradley wrote: > D > Make sure you have all the latest patches on VMS for Oracle 8.1.6,
 > especially:  >  > VMS721_ACRTL-V0200 > TCPIPALP_E01A50w > ? > I have found no problem starting the listener before or after ? > the database startup.  We have several Oracle 8.1.6 databasesy> > running on a very similar configuration.  However all of our > nodes are 7.2-1. > ( > -------------------------------------- > Bradley G. Rowell3& > Montana Department of Transportation > 2701 Prospect Avenue > PO Box 201001n > Helena, MT  59620-1001 > (406) 444-7263 > smtpmail@browell@state.mt.us) > ---------------------------------------M   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:10:59 +0100o= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>1! Subject: Re: Process memory limitF) Message-ID: <3A8A59B3.6C2FFD74@gtech.com>r   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:* > Jim Mehlhop <jmehlhop@qwest.net> writes:N > > Without making code changes and to control a heap of memory allocated with* > > MALLOC, PGFLQUO is the correct answer. > N > Nonsense. If I give you 128 MB of PGFLQUO and a VIRTUALPAGECNT equivalent to" > 32 MB, you are limited to 32 MB.  G If VMS Alpha 7.x+ it is PGFLQUO else it is MIN(VIRTUALPAGECNT,PGFLQUO).    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:13:08 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> ! Subject: Re: Process memory limitM) Message-ID: <3A8A5A34.22127260@gtech.com>T   JF Mezei wrote:rN > VMS didn't seem to complain. Since it is in a cluster, I was able to fix theL > problem via the other node (rename the tiny page files  to a version lowerN > than the real files, edit modparams to put back the PAGEFILE=0 etc (thank to# > the person who gave me that tip).m   *FILE=0 is almost mandatory !h   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:12:39 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>i! Subject: Re: Process memory limitt) Message-ID: <3A8A5A17.BA8F6CC6@gtech.com>e   JF Mezei wrote:  > Jonas Lindholm wrote:eT > > PGFLQUO that limit the amount of virtual memory a process can allocate. The onlyR > > limit is when the process need more virtual pages than there are free pages in
 > > page files > P > Actually, VMS doesn't seem to implement that limit. It will gladly let you get3 > a PGFLQUO that is way higher than the page files.e   Yes.  ? But if the process actually tries to use all that PGFLQUO, theni VMS will get real "depressed".   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:42:44 +0000n- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>s! Subject: Re: Process memory limite) Message-ID: <3A8A8B54.1C733EF8@bbc.co.uk>e   JF Mezei wrote:e   > Jonas Lindholm wrote:7T > > PGFLQUO that limit the amount of virtual memory a process can allocate. The onlyR > > limit is when the process need more virtual pages than there are free pages in
 > > page file  >pP > Actually, VMS doesn't seem to implement that limit. It will gladly let you get3 > a PGFLQUO that is way higher than the page files.i >IP > Yesterday, when I restored my VAXVMSSYS.PAR and related files from backup, andI > ran AUTOGEN to test it, little did I know that the bastard created some-N > minuscule page/swap files (about 10k blocks) and when I rebooted, everythingO > looked fine until the system became very slow. Page files were down to 0, andu# > a few processes were in RWMPB ...u >dN > VMS didn't seem to complain. Since it is in a cluster, I was able to fix theL > problem via the other node (rename the tiny page files  to a version lowerN > than the real files, edit modparams to put back the PAGEFILE=0 etc (thank to# > the person who gave me that tip).: >:N > Interestingly, by stopping a few processes, I was able to get the system outG > of the mollassic (molasses ?) state it was in and was able to reboot.E >.% > AUTOGEN IS EVIL :-) ;-) :-) :-) :-)u  K I don't let windoze mess with the pagefile size and I don't let VMS either.-U Size your pagefiles as you see fit. Then edit sys$system:modparams.dat. Add the linese  
 PAGEFILE=0
 SWAPFILE=0
 DUMPFILE=0   >    >  > P > What I found interesting is that Autogen should have known that creating a 10kO > block page file was crazy since the PQL_DPGFLQUO is 32k as set by DECWINDOWS.a   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of. MedAS or the BBC.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:51:41 -0400t' From: Jim Melhhop <mehlhop@mehlhop.org>i! Subject: Re: Process memory limitp+ Message-ID: <3A8A552D.7ADF169F@mehlhop.org>    Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > * > Jim Mehlhop <jmehlhop@qwest.net> writes: > N > > Without making code changes and to control a heap of memory allocated with* > > MALLOC, PGFLQUO is the correct answer. > @ > Nonsense. If I give you 128 MB of PGFLQUO and a  equivalent to" > 32 MB, you are limited to 32 MB. > 
 >         JanaA True BUT VIRTUALPAGECNT is obsolete in V7.x so it does not apply.t Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:53:03 +0000-2 From: Andrew G Scott <andrew.g.scott@jpmorgan.com># Subject: Renaming directories. How?n, Message-ID: <3A8A719F.33B3CC0C@jpmorgan.com>  D I'm new to VMS having moved from Unix and I cannot see how to renameC directories. I looked at RENAME and SET DIRECTORY but could see then answer.t   How's it done?   Thanks Andrew Scott   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:02:56 GMT & From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com>' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How?u? Message-ID: <4mvi6.151539$8V6.21952210@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>.  
 How about:   $Rename   DIRA.DIR  DIRB.DIR  ? "Andrew G Scott" <andrew.g.scott@jpmorgan.com> wrote in message'& news:3A8A719F.33B3CC0C@jpmorgan.com...F > I'm new to VMS having moved from Unix and I cannot see how to renameE > directories. I looked at RENAME and SET DIRECTORY but could see ther	 > answer.- >- > How's it done? >- > Thanks > Andrew Scott >8 >1   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:04:09 +0100i# From: "Didier Morandi" <dmo@ims.ch>g' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How? 0 Message-ID: <Imvi6.97$Z3.6311@tengri.easynet.fr>   $ set def [fred] here are your filesq
 $ set def [-]  $ rename fred.dir foobar.dir $ set def [foobar] here are your filess   hths D. --+ http://Didier.Morandi.Free.Fr/index_us.htmlf    ? "Andrew G Scott" <andrew.g.scott@jpmorgan.com> wrote in message.& news:3A8A719F.33B3CC0C@jpmorgan.com...F > I'm new to VMS having moved from Unix and I cannot see how to renameE > directories. I looked at RENAME and SET DIRECTORY but could see thel	 > answer.o >  > How's it done? >e > Thanks > Andrew Scott >c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:54:56 -0500h- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>n' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How?.( Message-ID: <3A8A8020.2F43F297@ohio.edu>  E RENAME is indeed the command, but it requires delete privilege on themG file, and directory files are by default protected against deletion, soeG you have to elevate your privileges (BYPASS will certainly suffice!) oro" first change the protections.  See   $ HELP SET FILE/PROTECTe   andl   $ HELP SET FILE/SECURE  +                                         RDPe     Andrew G Scott wrote:   F > I'm new to VMS having moved from Unix and I cannot see how to renameE > directories. I looked at RENAME and SET DIRECTORY but could see the-	 > answer.- >- > How's it done? >- > Thanks > Andrew Scott   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:24:37 -0500l0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How? 2 Message-ID: <M4aKOpRxYpgqLSqd+99HsD+=r9oG@4ax.com>  7 RENAME will do it.  You can simply rename the directory  file.  Here's an example:S   $ dir *.dire   Directory SSD:[DABEAT.X]   D1.DIR;1            D2.DIR;1   Total of 2 files.  $ dir [.d1]D   Directory SSD:[DABEAT.X.D1]A   X.X;1    Total of 1 file. $ rename d1.dir d1_new.dir $ dir *.dir    Directory SSD:[DABEAT.X]   D1_NEW.DIR;1        D2.DIR;1   Total of 2 files.e $ dir [.d1_new]s   Directory SSD:[DABEAT.X.D1_NEW]t   X.X;1    Total of 1 file. $u  . You can also use rename to move a directory to$ another directory.  Hope this helps.   David R. Beattya    2 On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:53:03 +0000, Andrew G Scott$ <andrew.g.scott@jpmorgan.com> wrote:  E >I'm new to VMS having moved from Unix and I cannot see how to renamesD >directories. I looked at RENAME and SET DIRECTORY but could see the >answer. >c >How's it done?c >t >Thanksa
 >Andrew Scottn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:40:31 +0000e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>C' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How?e) Message-ID: <3A8A98DE.206D2CEE@bbc.co.uk>e   Andrew G Scott wrote:v  F > I'm new to VMS having moved from Unix and I cannot see how to renameE > directories. I looked at RENAME and SET DIRECTORY but could see thee	 > answer.s >n > How's it done? >s > Thanks > Andrew Scott  B Admittedly, the examples in HELP RENAME do not include an explicit
 example ofC renaming a directory (VMS 7.1 anyway), however HELP RENAME gets youo     RENAME  D      Changes all or part of a file specification of an existing disk      file or disk directory.        Format   3        RENAME  input-filespec[,...] output-filespeci    ? which should be all you need to know. Anyway, here's an example    $ create/dir [.test1]u
 $ reca dir $ dir/sec test1.diry   Directory DISK$USER1:[TIML]o  C TEST1.DIR;1          [CODA,TIML]                      (RWE,RWE,,RE)    Total of 1 file.    $ rename/log test1.dir test2.dirE %RENAME-E-OPENIN, error opening DISK$USER1:[TIML]TEST1.DIR;1 as inputn& -RMS-F-RMV, ACP remove function failedG -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation1 Alpha BBCIT3 TIML $ reca set& Alpha BBCIT3 TIML $ set prot test1.dir2 Alpha BBCIT3 TIML $ rename/log test1.dir test2.dir: %RENAME-I-RENAMED, DISK$USER1:[TIML]TEST1.DIR;1 renamed to DISK$USER1:[TIML]TESTh 2.DIR;2o Alpha BBCIT3 TIML $u  @  As you can see, by default directories do not have owner delete
 permissionD set, so you have to explicitly enable it (set prot used here) before renaming (and deletion).   Regardsb --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukn  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofe MedAS or the BBC.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:17:56 -0800d! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comm Subject: Re: Status of EV7D Message-ID: <OFB92AFC37.23537E90-ON882569F2.000C706D@foundation.com>  J No, that's the exact model number as ordered from our suppliers and listedK on the performance charts I was working from. I remember thinking it didn'tnK seem to fit the same pattern of the others at the time I did the paperwork.t   Shanea          F rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) on 02/12/2001 05:48:03 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt cc:    Subject:  Re: Status of EV7a    D In article <OF1E38D32A.A2CA1F3B-ON882569F1.006A2E79@foundation.com>," Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  H > There's a system missing there. I had a 3000-M300X which was 175mhz. I8 > don't know how it differed from the 3000-300X. Anyone?  H Is there a typo here?  Is the "M" for real?  I've seen people say thingsC like "DEC 3000 Model 300X".  Are you shortening it to "3000-M300X"?n  I I never heard of a system with that name officially.  The -300X is indeedS 175 MHz.  E Some VMS SPDs refer to -700X and -900X models, but I don't think theyrH existed. Maybe they were heading out the door when the turbochannel lineH was put to death.  I guess it's possible a _few_ got out of the factory.  I >> I borrowed the numbers from this summary page for all the turbochannelt >> systems:eH >>    http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.html   -- Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:13:05 -0500s  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profitsf4 Message-ID: <C22569F1.007EBAD9.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  O I love the color, and I like the umbrella much more that posters and shatterings balls.L If it is to go to the executive suite, however, it needs to be golf-umbrella sizeL = Very Large Size Interceptor (VLSI) umbrella; this one is too small for the links.        ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam on 02/12/2001 01:43:35 PM    To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  cc:s. Subject:  Re: Strange way to blow your profits        K In article <9699i6$gcu$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill  Gunshannon) writes:t  E > I hope people here don't take me wrong.  It is cute that Compaq hasfF > these little PR games.  But they don't need to sell me.  What I needD > are the resources to start selling the people who have never heardH > of VMS and are going to be out there n the real world making decisionsI > after June.  And after the following June.  And the one after that too.iJ > Nobody is going to recommend that their CIO go with a VMS system because > I got an umbrella.  I Perhaps you should give your umbrella to the Dean/Provost/Chancellor/etc.   N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:01:06 -0600 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>- Subject: RE: Strange way to blow your profitso- Message-ID: <0033000016211789000002L092*@MHS>a  6 =0AIf it was a golf umbrella, wouldn't it be better if8 VLSI stood for Vertically Launched Spheroid Interceptor?   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETl* Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 2:48 AM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET- Subject: RE: Strange way to blow your profits-    H I love the color, and I like the umbrella much more that posters and sh= attering balls.H If it is to go to the executive suite, however, it needs to be golf-umb= rella  sizeH =3D Very Large Size Interceptor (VLSI) umbrella; this one is too small = for thed links.        ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam on 02/12/2001 01:43:35 PM    To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.come cc:.. Subject:  Re: Strange way to blow your profits        H In article <9699i6$gcu$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (= Bill Gunshannon) writes:   E > I hope people here don't take me wrong.  It is cute that Compaq has5F > these little PR games.  But they don't need to sell me.  What I needD > are the resources to start selling the people who have never heardH > of VMS and are going to be out there n the real world making decision= stH > after June.  And after the following June.  And the one after that to= o.H > Nobody is going to recommend that their CIO go with a VMS system beca= usef > I got an umbrella.  H Perhaps you should give your umbrella to the Dean/Provost/Chancellor/et= c.  I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=-I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=PI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=p =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DH Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> C= lusters I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=oI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=M =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:46:57 -0500a  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com- Subject: RE: Strange way to blow your profitsA4 Message-ID: <C22569F3.0055E814.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  5 NO.  Variably Launched Spheroid Interceptor, perhaps.a This item is "steerable."a        / WWEBB1@email.usps.gov on 02/14/2001 11:01:06 AMe   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com. cc: . Subject:  RE: Strange way to blow your profits            3 If it was a golf umbrella, wouldn't it be better ifo8 VLSI stood for Vertically Launched Spheroid Interceptor?   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET-* Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 2:48 AM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET- Subject: RE: Strange way to blow your profitsj    O I love the color, and I like the umbrella much more that posters and shatteringb balls.L If it is to go to the executive suite, however, it needs to be golf-umbrella sizeL = Very Large Size Interceptor (VLSI) umbrella; this one is too small for the links.        ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam on 02/12/2001 01:43:35 PMG   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comu cc:l. Subject:  Re: Strange way to blow your profits        K In article <9699i6$gcu$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill- Gunshannon) writes:   E > I hope people here don't take me wrong.  It is cute that Compaq hasgF > these little PR games.  But they don't need to sell me.  What I needD > are the resources to start selling the people who have never heardH > of VMS and are going to be out there n the real world making decisionsI > after June.  And after the following June.  And the one after that too.,J > Nobody is going to recommend that their CIO go with a VMS system because > I got an umbrella.  I Perhaps you should give your umbrella to the Dean/Provost/Chancellor/etc.a  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 13:07:20 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profits 3 Message-ID: <IZI0Ws3SCqJ+@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  ` In article <96bqf9$eun$1@phunn2.um.us.sbphrd.com>, "shielm00" <Mike_Shield-1@sbphrd.com> writes: > H > Of course, on the other hand, the new Alpha based Cray's will be Linux% > boxes, so that may even things out.- >-  7 Cray is going back to Alpha?  When?  Did SGI sell Cray?m  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporatione= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupnE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:10:50 -0300f) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brm Subject: SWXCRL Message-ID: <OFAD56A8E1.66678D30-ON032569F3.00484830@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  6 Is there a way to check the SWXCR disks configurations under OpenVMS ???r     Regardsd   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 02:29:23 +1300i6 From: "antony wardle" <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz> Subject: Re: SWXCR/ Message-ID: <1Lvi6.205$v4.12349@ozemail.com.au>P  
 you mean likew   mcr swxcrmgr   antony    6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OFAD56A8E1.66678D30-ON032569F3.00484830@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...8 > Is there a way to check the SWXCR disks configurations > under OpenVMS ???e >  >p	 > Regardst >c > FC >E   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:23:14 -0300n) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bre Subject: Re: SWXCRL Message-ID: <OF6064F744.4E06D293-ON032569F3.00546E3D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   YesU   Like this, or . . .-      $ SET HOST/SCSI or /SWXCR DRMA0:   Regardsa   FC        G "antony wardle" <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz> em 15/02/2001 00:29:23              Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi       Assunto: Re: SWXCR    
 you mean like    mcr swxcrmgr   antony    6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OFAD56A8E1.66678D30-ON032569F3.00484830@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...8 > Is there a way to check the SWXCR disks configurations > under OpenVMS ???t >e > 	 > Regards  >t > FC >o   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 10:16:38 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>t# Subject: Re: Terry Knows Compaq :-)-H Message-ID: <y4g0hhd3pl.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  . peterw@u.genie.co.uk (Peter Watkinson) writes:  D > It's easier to talk in hind sight. For all Compaq knew IA-64 couldG > have been released on schedule and been a whopper of a cpu. That with H > AlphaNT only having a small percentage of the market at the time would6 > have left it as it really was - an expensive luxury.  N No, it was cheap insurance. And it is always a bad move to base such decisionsL on sales numbers that a clearly influenced by short-term psychology, as Bill notes.   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:31:07 GMT + From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <public@kits.net>n# Subject: Re: Terry Knows Compaq :-)R< Message-ID: <L7ti6.13795$1%2.741332@sjc-read.news.verio.net>  L "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote inJ message news:y4g0hhd3pl.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...  F > > It's easier to talk in hind sight. For all Compaq knew IA-64 couldI > > have been released on schedule and been a whopper of a cpu. That withnJ > > AlphaNT only having a small percentage of the market at the time would8 > > have left it as it really was - an expensive luxury. > No, it was cheap insurance.R  L Sure. The insurance for Compaq's competitors. Paid per each NT-capable Alpha sold.3  4 > And it is always a bad move to base such decisionsI > on sales numbers that a clearly influenced by short-term psychology, as  Bill > notes.  L Microsoft psychology is not "short-term" or "long-term". You pay money, they get benefits. Always.-   Kit.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:18:33 -0700"  From: Jon <jsmyth69@hotmail.com>' Subject: Text graphing program for VMS?62 Message-ID: <U5OKOrb+Xzm+MRHo31wAJ0lUb7F7@4ax.com>   Hi,e  E   Are there any programs out there that take comma delimited file andoC generate a text graph ?   Thanks!   (Something GNU would be great!)e   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:09:04 -0600 (CST)e From: rmegee@tqtx.com3+ Subject: Re: Text graphing program for VMS?n2 Message-ID: <200102141509.JAA05618@exwin.tqtx.com>   Hmmm,eF   I've got a c program that takes a file of values and creates a regisG graph.  It was part of an spc effort I had done.  if your interested in-E it let me know And I'll send you the source code.  (written in VAX C)d   Robert >  > Hi,@ > G >   Are there any programs out there that take comma delimited file andFE > generate a text graph ?   Thanks!   (Something GNU would be great!)e >  >      -- mP ================================================================================1                                 -----------------y1                                 |  elf Destruct | 1                                 -----------------LK    Never thinking that part of the button's label might have been worn off,wJ    he thought that getting rid of those pesky elves would be a good thing.%    Moments later the ship exploded... P ================================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:16:34 +0100== From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>i Subject: Re: ucx 4.2 vs 5.0@) Message-ID: <3A8A5B02.900A4AF3@gtech.com>m   Terry Marosites wrote:I >   I just downloaded apache and found that I have to run it with "TCP/IP-L > Services for OpenVMS Version 5.0A or higher".  I am running Digital TCP/IPK > Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 4 on a AlphaServer DS20 500gN > MHz running OpenVMS V7.1-2  How hard is it to migrate from 4.2 to 5 and whatJ > is the Highest version recommended by the info-vax group. and what can I! > expect to break in the upgrade?   E An upgrade to 5.0A ECO1 should be a relative simple task. I would notB	 hesitate.   < To get more info about what to look out for you will need to> supply more info about what TCP/IP services & applications you
 are using.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:23:51 +0100a# From: "Didier Morandi" <dmo@ims.ch>r Subject: Re: ucx 4.2 vs 5.0 0 Message-ID: <bFvi6.98$Z3.6117@tengri.easynet.fr>  9 > Our client-server applications had an "issue" with sometL > obscure Telnet session negotiation in the first release of v5.0, but all's% > been resolved in the latest patchesr  E With DEcwindows, after having upgraded to TCP/P V5, I had some rlogin.H sessions which didn't start the window manager. I asked the users to use& telnet instead and the bug disappeard.   My 2$0   D. --+ http://Didier.Morandi.Free.Fr/index_us.htmlu   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:39:41 +0000c- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>o Subject: Re: ucx 4.2 vs 5.0n) Message-ID: <3A8A8A9D.39D4E622@bbc.co.uk>.   Arne Vajhj wrote:   > Terry Marosites wrote:K > >   I just downloaded apache and found that I have to run it with "TCP/IPiN > > Services for OpenVMS Version 5.0A or higher".  I am running Digital TCP/IPM > > Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 4 on a AlphaServer DS20 500 P > > MHz running OpenVMS V7.1-2  How hard is it to migrate from 4.2 to 5 and whatL > > is the Highest version recommended by the info-vax group. and what can I# > > expect to break in the upgrade?o >eG > An upgrade to 5.0A ECO1 should be a relative simple task. I would notd > hesitate.  >t  O We had one or two application issues, not serious, but not totally hassle free.   L If you have scripts that use PING eg for diagnostic use then they may break.  M System housekeeping scripts will probably need updataing with the change fromF3 UCX$ to TCPIP$ in the names of logging directories.n    > > To get more info about what to look out for you will need to@ > supply more info about what TCP/IP services & applications you > are using. >l > Arne   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukt  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:31:29 -0300S) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brt Subject: Re: VMS UmbrellarL Message-ID: <OFCA153F77.5E3A0925-ON032569F3.0042926C@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Promotional itens ?o  D I would like .... an OpenVMS watch.....with reliability, avaibility, security ...I those watches used by the army or people who like adventures ! ! ! :-))))t   Regards.   FC        2 Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> em 14/02/2001 04:20:23             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>       Assunto: Re: VMS Umbrellam    I Ditto on wishing OpenVMS was on the Umbrella itself and not on the handleo covered by my hand.r  I I think umbrellas and polo shirts should have things like "OpenVMS -- $14I Trillion a day can't be wrong"I Or "OpenVMS -- 500 billion shares a day can't be wrong",  "OpenVMS -- 95%0  of the hospitals can't be wrong"  F Give me a T-Shirt or polo shirt with this on the back and I'll wear itH everywhere in public.  If we can't get full scale marketing, let's piqueF curiosity where ever we can.  Even pointed head bosses have to come up for air sometime.  XL please.f   Cass Witkowski SAIC         Carl Karcher wrote:e  / > Very nice Sue - Thanks. And I needed one too.n > G > I was kind of hoping the fabric would be emblazened with "OpenVMS" in F > giant letters upon opening so I could be a walking ad when it rains. >7E > OT: That brings up a memory of a Dec salesperson (Charlie Cormier IiF > think) from the early 80's  that had a personalized MA license plate > that read "VAX-VMS".   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:05:26 +0000e) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>l Subject: Re: VMS Umbrellae, Message-ID: <3A8A90A6.575BB9D6@infopuls.com>  
 Koloth wrote:0 > K > Ditto on wishing OpenVMS was on the Umbrella itself and not on the handle- > covered by my hand.a > K > I think umbrellas and polo shirts should have things like "OpenVMS -- $14R  > Trillion a day can't be wrong"K > Or "OpenVMS -- 500 billion shares a day can't be wrong",  "OpenVMS -- 95% " > of the hospitals can't be wrong" > H > Give me a T-Shirt or polo shirt with this on the back and I'll wear itJ > everywhere in public.  If we can't get full scale marketing, let's piqueH > curiosity where ever we can.  Even pointed head bosses have to come up > for air sometime.  XL please.  >  > Cass Witkowski > SAIC >  > Carl Karcher wrote:c > 1 > > Very nice Sue - Thanks. And I needed one too.t > ><I > > I was kind of hoping the fabric would be emblazened with "OpenVMS" innH > > giant letters upon opening so I could be a walking ad when it rains. > > G > > OT: That brings up a memory of a Dec salesperson (Charlie Cormier IeH > > think) from the early 80's  that had a personalized MA license plate > > that read "VAX-VMS".  > This seems to exactly reflect what VMS marketing is all about.= The people who know already have it under their hands but theo? others won't see it. Is this called stealth marketing? Or is itu insider marketing?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:05:40 -0500r/ From: "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>= Subject: RE: VMS Umbrella=I Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB40F@rlghncst625.usps.gov>e  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09697.9839B240A Content-Type: text/plain;o 	charset="iso-8859-1"e  3 I have a D|I|G|I|T|A|L stopwatch in my desk drawer.8 Battery dead, though.0   -----Original Message-----0 From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET * Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 6:38 AM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: VMS Umbrella      Promotional itens ?0  D I would like .... an OpenVMS watch.....with reliability, avaibility, security ...I those watches used by the army or people who like adventures ! ! ! :-))))    Regardsh   FC        2 Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> em 14/02/2001 04:20:23             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comg       Assunto: Re: VMS UmbrellaL    I Ditto on wishing OpenVMS was on the Umbrella itself and not on the handle. covered by my hand.i  I I think umbrellas and polo shirts should have things like "OpenVMS -- $14o Trillion a day can't be wrong"I Or "OpenVMS -- 500 billion shares a day can't be wrong",  "OpenVMS -- 95%>  of the hospitals can't be wrong"  F Give me a T-Shirt or polo shirt with this on the back and I'll wear itH everywhere in public.  If we can't get full scale marketing, let's piqueF curiosity where ever we can.  Even pointed head bosses have to come up for air sometime.  XL please.a   Cass Witkowski SAIC         Carl Karcher wrote:d  / > Very nice Sue - Thanks. And I needed one too.g >nG > I was kind of hoping the fabric would be emblazened with "OpenVMS" inhF > giant letters upon opening so I could be a walking ad when it rains. >oE > OT: That brings up a memory of a Dec salesperson (Charlie Cormier I3F > think) from the early 80's  that had a personalized MA license plate > that read "VAX-VMS".  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09697.9839B240D Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"=  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">D <HTML> <HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">H <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12"> <TITLE>RE: VMS Umbrella</TITLE>D </HEAD>= <BODY>  J <P><FONT SIZE=2>I have a D|I|G|I|T|A|L stopwatch in my desk drawer.</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Battery dead, though.</FONT>- </P>  1 <P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>5H <BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET </FONT>B <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 6:38 AM</FONT>N <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET</FONT>1 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: RE: VMS Umbrella</FONT>0 </P> <BR>  * <P><FONT SIZE=2>Promotional itens ?</FONT> </P>  [ <P><FONT SIZE=2>I would like .... an OpenVMS watch.....with reliability, avaibility,</FONT>t$ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>security ...</FONT>a <BR><FONT SIZE=2>those watches used by the army or people who like adventures ! ! ! :-))))</FONT>. </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=2>Regards</FONT> </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=2>FC</FONT>l </P> <BR> <BR> <BR>  O <P><FONT SIZE=2>Koloth &lt;koloth@tmisnet.com&gt; em 14/02/2001 04:20:23</FONT>l </P> <BR> <BR>  K <P><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>  </P> <BR> <BR>  0 <P><FONT SIZE=2>Assunto: Re: VMS Umbrella</FONT> </P> <BR>  ` <P><FONT SIZE=2>Ditto on wishing OpenVMS was on the Umbrella itself and not on the handle</FONT>+ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>covered by my hand.</FONT>n </P>  e <P><FONT SIZE=2>I think umbrellas and polo shirts should have things like &quot;OpenVMS -- $14</FONT>f; <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Trillion a day can't be wrong&quot;</FONT> u <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Or &quot;OpenVMS -- 500 billion shares a day can't be wrong&quot;,&nbsp; &quot;OpenVMS -- 95%</FONT>d= <BR><FONT SIZE=2>of the hospitals can't be wrong&quot;</FONT>t </P>  ] <P><FONT SIZE=2>Give me a T-Shirt or polo shirt with this on the back and I'll wear it</FONT>ge <BR><FONT SIZE=2>everywhere in public.&nbsp; If we can't get full scale marketing, let's pique</FONT>nc <BR><FONT SIZE=2>curiosity where ever we can.&nbsp; Even pointed head bosses have to come up</FONT>d: <BR><FONT SIZE=2>for air sometime.&nbsp; XL please.</FONT> </P>  % <P><FONT SIZE=2>Cass Witkowski</FONT>= <BR><FONT SIZE=2>SAIC</FONT> </P> <BR> <BR> <BR>  * <P><FONT SIZE=2>Carl Karcher wrote:</FONT> </P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Very nice Sue - Thanks. And I needed one too.</FONT>= <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>l <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; I was kind of hoping the fabric would be emblazened with &quot;OpenVMS&quot; in</FONT>a <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; giant letters upon opening so I could be a walking ad when it rains.</FONT>a <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>` <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; OT: That brings up a memory of a Dec salesperson (Charlie Cormier I</FONT>f <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; think) from the early 80's&nbsp; that had a personalized MA license plate</FONT>; <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; that read &quot;VAX-VMS&quot;.</FONT>- </P>   </BODY>- </HTML>-) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09697.9839B240--    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:44:19 -0500   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com Subject: RE: VMS Umbrella 4 Message-ID: <C22569F3.0055AF49.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  > --0__=wKfxR83jMWj98X0BaEVkJbKpnP0XwUPZrfgzShqM6VuyPZCCNtmdtNdF* Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inlineD      O Actually, I had gotten from Field Service long, long ago a D|I|G|I|T|A|L kazoo, N which I presented to my sister.  She has often used it in folk music workshops where-M she "claims" to have a digital kazoo, then holds it up.  Imagine the exposure  over theP years!  Unfortunely, the print has worn almost off through handling, and I guess we will.O never see a replacement, alas.  Somehow an OpenVMS kazoo is not the right note.r        / wwebb1@email.usps.gov on 02/14/2001 10:05:40 AMO   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comr cc:m Subject:  RE: VMS Umbrella        3 I have a D|I|G|I|T|A|L stopwatch in my desk drawer.  Battery dead, though.    -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET0* Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 6:38 AM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: VMS Umbrellap     Promotional itens ?   D I would like .... an OpenVMS watch.....with reliability, avaibility, security ...I those watches used by the army or people who like adventures ! ! ! :-))))    Regards    FC        2 Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> em 14/02/2001 04:20:23             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comf       Assunto: Re: VMS Umbrellar    I Ditto on wishing OpenVMS was on the Umbrella itself and not on the handles covered by my hand.e  I I think umbrellas and polo shirts should have things like "OpenVMS -- $14  Trillion a day can't be wrong"I Or "OpenVMS -- 500 billion shares a day can't be wrong",  "OpenVMS -- 95%o  of the hospitals can't be wrong"  F Give me a T-Shirt or polo shirt with this on the back and I'll wear itH everywhere in public.  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Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:55:33 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>t Subject: Re: VMS Umbrellan) Message-ID: <3A8A9C65.C6E0E10C@bbc.co.uk>t   Christof Brass wrote:a  A >  This seems to exactly reflect what VMS marketing is all about.e? > The people who know already have it under their hands but the A > others won't see it. Is this called stealth marketing? Or is itf > insider marketing?  E It just occurred to me that maybe we should all get OpenVMS teeshirtsnM and start going to student clubs like Alan Grieg mentioned, that way at least ) the students would get to hear about VMS.o   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukS  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:17:57 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brt Subject: Re: VMS UmbrellaCL Message-ID: <OF6C073B49.782228E7-ON032569F3.00645F05@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  , Tshirts are for students .... Linux like ! !  B For us (OpenVMS people)  must bea Denim Shirt with the Compaq Logo5 in front and OpenVMS in RED letters in the back ! ! !o   Regards    FC        > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> em 14/02/2001 12:55:33  ) Favor responder a tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.ukk             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd       Assunto: Re: VMS Umbrellat         Christof Brass wrote::  A >  This seems to exactly reflect what VMS marketing is all about.l? > The people who know already have it under their hands but theoA > others won't see it. Is this called stealth marketing? Or is ito > insider marketing?  E It just occurred to me that maybe we should all get OpenVMS teeshirts-G and start going to student clubs like Alan Grieg mentioned, that way ati leastn) the students would get to hear about VMS.h   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uko  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:56:13 +0000o- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>p Subject: Re: VMS Umbrella ) Message-ID: <3A8AAA9D.D6AB8534@bbc.co.uk>n  ! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:a  Q > Actually, I had gotten from Field Service long, long ago a D|I|G|I|T|A|L kazoo,hP > which I presented to my sister.  She has often used it in folk music workshops > where-O > she "claims" to have a digital kazoo, then holds it up.  Imagine the exposurec
 > over theR > years!  Unfortunely, the print has worn almost off through handling, and I guess	 > we willtQ > never see a replacement, alas.  Somehow an OpenVMS kazoo is not the right note.y > 1 > wwebb1@email.usps.gov on 02/14/2001 10:05:40 AMu  J OK, if Rich can find the budget for a PRS Custom 24 with VMS fretmarkers IN promise to use it all the time. Slightly more expensive thana  kazzoo, though.   :-) :-) :-)t --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofi MedAS or the BBC.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:11:34 +0000y$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk Subject: Re: VMS Umbrellao/ Message-ID: <002569F3.0063F12D.00@quegw01.btyp>n  L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    M Perhaps if my beloved Coventry City escape the relegation trapdoor again this O season, Compaq might be willing to cough up for some shirt sponsorship. OpenVMStJ emblazoned across the shirt with the logo would be good, and having the OS5 associated with a team that never goes down either...    ;^Du   Steve Spires  O [For those who don't know, Coventry City have never been relegated from the top- flight in British football]         A Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> on 14/02/2001 03:56:13 PMi    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)4O From:      Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>, 14 February 2001, 3:56 p.m.m   Re: VMS Umbrella            ! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:s  J > Actually, I had gotten from Field Service long, long ago a D|I|G|I|T|A|L kazoo,P > which I presented to my sister.  She has often used it in folk music workshops > where O > she "claims" to have a digital kazoo, then holds it up.  Imagine the exposureS
 > over theL > years!  Unfortunely, the print has worn almost off through handling, and I guessv	 > we willaK > never see a replacement, alas.  Somehow an OpenVMS kazoo is not the righti note.  >O1 > wwebb1@email.usps.gov on 02/14/2001 10:05:40 AMu  J OK, if Rich can find the budget for a PRS Custom 24 with VMS fretmarkers IN promise to use it all the time. Slightly more expensive thana  kazzoo, though.   :-) :-) :-)  --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukl  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofn MedAS or the BBC.n   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 18:05:09 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)e Subject: Re: VMS Umbrella + Message-ID: <96ehcl$2g8$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>w  ) In article <3A8A9C65.C6E0E10C@bbc.co.uk>,a0  Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes: |> nH |> It just occurred to me that maybe we should all get OpenVMS teeshirtsP |> and start going to student clubs like Alan Grieg mentioned, that way at least, |> the students would get to hear about VMS. |>  B Of course, this will seem like fun until you find out that they goB back to their rooms, fire up IE on their PC's, search for VMS, and) learn all about cows milking themselves!!i   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:13:33 +0000=$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk Subject: Re: VMS Umbrellav/ Message-ID: <002569F3.006420AC.00@quegw01.btyp>T  L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza     Demin?  - You haven't got a medallion as well have you?/   ;^D    Steve Spires        = fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br on 14/02/2001 06:17:57 PM-    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)eK From:      fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br, 14 February 2001, 6:17 p.m.X   Re: VMS Umbrella        , Tshirts are for students .... Linux like ! !  B For us (OpenVMS people)  must bea Denim Shirt with the Compaq Logo5 in front and OpenVMS in RED letters in the back ! ! !t   Regards    FC        > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> em 14/02/2001 12:55:33  ) Favor responder a tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.ukp             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com)       Assunto: Re: VMS Umbrella=         Christof Brass wrote:O  A >  This seems to exactly reflect what VMS marketing is all about.h? > The people who know already have it under their hands but the A > others won't see it. Is this called stealth marketing? Or is itA > insider marketing?  E It just occurred to me that maybe we should all get OpenVMS teeshirts/G and start going to student clubs like Alan Grieg mentioned, that way ati leastn) the students would get to hear about VMS.2   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofi MedAS or the BBC.'   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:31:54 +0100h# From: "Didier Morandi" <dmo@ims.ch>T' Subject: Re: VMSINSTAL and version 5.0Ah0 Message-ID: <aXvi6.99$Z3.6270@tengri.easynet.fr>  E Thank you to the one who will recognize himself here. An SPR has beeng9 submitted as it looks like a problem within vmsinstal.comE   D. --+ http://Didier.Morandi.Free.Fr/index_us.html   - <didier_morandi@my-deja.com> wrote in messagef# news:95mr3i$7qa$1@nnrp1.deja.com...NH > I'm updating an old installation procedure to suit to TCPIP version 5,I > but VMSINSTAL doesn't like the "A" in the version. Should I rewrite the>A > 2208 lines of my kitinstal.com procedure to POLYCENTER format ?  > Output follows:B >F > ../..2G > This kit requires at least:  DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.0  >eH > Please install a proper version of DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS! > before installing this product.a >l< > %TEST-E-INSTCPIPVERS, V5.0A-1 is installed on your system. >>A > %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of TEST V1.0 has failed.( >r > D. >e >< > Sent via Deja.comE > http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:51:39 -0500 % From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>t1 Subject: Re: Vote Early and Often... A TRUE STORYx$ Message-ID: <3a8ad2be$1@news.si.com>  3 >Marketing and promotion, 66%  (as of this writing):) >Branding or positioning of products, 59%c& >Extremely low cost Alpha systems, 47%  E What really got me was that paying a 2X premium was the lowest choicek7 available.  Same old head-in-the-sand Compaq mentality.p --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventk< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:22:27 -0300s) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: VT-510SL Message-ID: <OF1DD4BDF7.17859541-ON032569F3.006A5F0A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   ClickO  & http://www.tvmt.co.uk/tvmtvt510515.htm       Fabio C.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 13:33:24 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?3 Message-ID: <2DuCJiLOtFeT@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  o In article <jwUEdvsfq4ch@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:n > L > As to what language is safest if the _developers_ don't know the language,J > I am not sure it is possible for the product to reach a shipping status.H > Perhaps in that case Ada is also safest, since it has a greater chanceN > of not even compiling for those who cannot (or will not) read documentation.  ? You had BLISS code that compiled without ever reading the docs?m  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationb= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouphE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:14:28 +0100l= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>i, Subject: Re: What's the best Usernet reader!) Message-ID: <3A8A5A84.5969AF59@gtech.com>    Tom Dorr wrote:rH > What do others use and find the easiest and most readable and provides
 > threads?  ( I use and like NetScape 4.7x on Windoze.   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 13:59:01 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: What's the best Usernet reader!* Message-ID: <3a8a8115$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  P In article <3A8D52FC@MailAndNews.com>, Tom Dorr <trdorr@MailAndNews.com> writes:N >Well now since DEJA newsreader has been gobbled up by GOOGLE, I'm looking for= >a newsreader. GOOGLE referenced several such as MAILANDNEWS.eH >What do others use and find the easiest and most readable and provides 	 >threads?C  K I use NEWSRDR on VMS (madgoat freeware) or NETSCAPE V3.03 on VMS (Q VMS LP)VH or TIN (freeware) on VMS or seldom NETSCAPE V4.7x on NT as a NNTP client> to our own NNTP server (DNEWS from http://www.netwinsite.com).  F You could also try http://www.supernews.com which I recently heard of.7 But I can't comment or recommend it. I don't know it...a   -- g< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-8880< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:13:49 GMT8 From: "Fatz" <fatz@fatz.com>, Subject: Re: What's the best Usernet reader!> Message-ID: <hwvi6.265515$w35.44386556@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>   >VH > You could also try http://www.supernews.com which I recently heard of.9 > But I can't comment or recommend it. I don't know it...Q  + ...or see what you think of www.newsone.netu   Fatz.0   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 16:52:08 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)) Subject: RE: [DSNlink V3.0] DSNlink_NEW ?g( Message-ID: <3a8aa9a8@news.kapsch.co.at>   In article <DBF1295F6C91D3119D3F00508B5DF9A802F1B1C9@obtxspn3.obt.navistar.com>, "Hall, Bill" <Bill.Hall@NAV-INTERNATIONAL.com> writes:gH >I have just started looking at the V3.0 documentation, prepping for the@ >upgrade.  We currently use DSNLINK_NEW V5.6 with DSNlink V2.2E. >0H >There is a new version of DNSLINK_NEW (last September?) on the WKU fileK >server at ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/DSNLINK_NEW.ZIP.  This is V5.7 of3M >DSNLINK_NEW and it was updated to support V3.0 of DSNlink.  I am still usingv= >V5.6 of DSNLINK_NEW and have that on my list to update also.i  , Yup, DSNLINK_NEW V5.7 was the info I wanted., Obviously I did miss the announcenment then.  D Thanks to you all folks. It's really nice to ask and get a real fastF answer (though this was an easy question I could have answered myself)   -- C< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888W< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.090 ************************