0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 15 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 91      Contents:@ Re: A suggestion for easing the graphics board problems with VMS Re: Another missed opportunity Availability Manager vs. AMDS 4 Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90?) Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel.  Re: create User  Re: create User  Re: CTRL Z from a script- DEC Set Client won't let me create an element  Re: error while booting a 3400 Re: error while booting a 34003 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1  Re: FORCING 8BIT COLOR IN DCE?9 Re: found some old dec (software) maybe some here want it  Re: Google buys Deja4 Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?4 RE: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?4 Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?4 Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?4 Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?4 Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha? Re: Hummingbird Exceed" Re: IA-64 is Dead (Murderer:  EV7)" Re: IA-64 is Dead (Murderer:  EV7)" Re: IA-64 is Dead (Murderer:  EV7) Itanium IS the Itanic  Re: Itanium IS the Itanic  Re: Itanium IS the Itanic  Re: KVM Switch for VT Keyboard RE: KVM Switch for VT Keyboard7 Re: LN05/LN06 - Power Supplies and fuser unit problems. " Re: Look at http://news.compaq.com* Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.. Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.. Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.. Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.1 Re: MicroVAX II - local register I/O programming? C RE: Not being published: OpenVMS Performance Management book ed 2 . C RE: Not being published: OpenVMS Performance Management book ed 2 .  Re: Oldest computer games? Re: Oldest computer games? Re: Oldest computer games? Re: Oldest computer games?y  Re: Oldest computer games?y * Re: OpenVMS Alpha 1200 5/533 login problem Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items 5 RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form ; Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100 ; Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100 ; Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100 ; Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100 ; Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100 ; Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100 ; Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100 ; Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100  Question regarding Ghostscript- RCS 5.7 under Alpha OpenVMS 7.2-1 - It lives! $ Re: Strange way to blow your profits$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits Re: Terry Knows Compaq :-) Re: Terry Knows Compaq :-)" Re: Text graphing program for VMS? Re: ucx 4.2 vs 5.0
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 RE: VT-5105 Was: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ? # Re: What's the best Usernet reader!  www.openvms.compaq.com Re: www.openvms.compaq.com Re: www.openvms.compaq.com  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:48:49 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> I Subject: Re: A suggestion for easing the graphics board problems with VMS , Message-ID: <9697ne$1ifh$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  H The problem in general is that the end result is pretty poor performing.K Consider the cost of doing a simple scroll of a window -- all the pixels in J the window (minus the size of the scroll) need to be read into memory, andL re-written to the frame buffer.  Trust me -- a dumb CFB is not something you want to use.  ? Besides, a large component of 2D work for UNIX and VMS *is* the A initialization logic, which on Intel systems is done in the BIOS.   J The best bet for getting more graphics available for VMS and Tru64 UNIX isL for us to migrate to XFree86 (better still, for x.org and xfree86 to merge).I Then there might potentially be a base of graphics code that can be used. K With the push in Linux, XFree86 is starting to have some high-quality, fast @ server/drivers (even if not all vendors open source their code).  3 This will probably happen on VMS and Tru64 in 2002.   J But having code available doesn't imply support.  A lot of other stuff hasI to happen to go from something that "works" to something that we support.    _Fred     % Duncan Macdonald wrote in message ... ; >At the moment VMS has a problem with PCI graphics cards in < >that it takes a lot of time to produce a driver and so very >few cards are ever supported.6 >I have a suggestion that might improve this situation2 >(though not with very high graphics performance). > ; >The vast majority of graphics cards can be set to run as a 1 >dumb frame buffer with a very simple memory map. = >(Row x+1 is n bytes on from row x, 4 bytes per pixel (24 bit  >colour + 1 unused byte). 9 >The start address and the increment differ for different 6 >graphics cards and different resolutions, however the5 >parameters that the driver needs (start address, row = >increment, x size and y size) can be passed to it at runtime 9 >meaning that only ONE driver would be needed for a large < >number of graphics cards (just like the XFree86 SVGA driver4 >can handle a large number of different card types).= >An initialisation program would be needed for each card type = >but that is all it would need to be and could be a user mode 7 >program. (This program would only need to set the card = >registers to get the card into the desired dumb frame buffer 7 >mode and set up the parameters mentioned above for the 	 >driver.) : >This would reduce the graphic driver problem for VMS (for< >low-end use) to writing one driver (the tricky bit) used by= >all cards and an initialisation routine (a number of POKE's) 
 >per card.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:54:53 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity , Message-ID: <96982o$1ivm$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  L All of the UNIX GID security stuff is in the process of being added for COE.E It will be available in the COE release (which is not planned to be a K general release) and will show up in a post V7.3 release when it folds back H into the mainstream.  We have a scheme for doing all the mapping between UNIX-style protection and VMS.  J Heck, ODS-5 will also get things as UNIX-like as soft links, and filenamesJ as ugly as any UNIX filename can be - along with access dates, and lots of2 other missing bits & pieces to be UNIX compatable.        ! Mark Garrett wrote in message ... K >in article y4wvb1qymh.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de, Jan H >Vorbrueggen at jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de wrote on >08/02/2001 21:04: > , >> "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes: >>I >>> Not being a Unix guru, this comes as a surprise to me.  VMS, like RSX  beforeK >>> it, has always had system/owner/group/world protection, which I thought  was H >>> very similar to Unix's owner/group/world (?) mechanism (save for the lack of B >>> a 'system' category).  Perhaps you could expand on this point. >>D >> He can only think in implementation, not architecture, that's his problem. >>J >> The difference is that in Unix, you can be a member of multiple groups,H >> although the number of these is usually limited (to something like 15I >> in Solaris, which turns into a real nuisance). Thus, you can use group I >> membership like a primitive ACL: a file that has a group protection of H >> "rx", say, and is owned by group "muddlehead" has the equivalent of aI >> VMS ACE of "Identifier=[muddlehead], Access=[r+x]" (sorry if I get the F >> syntax wrong). The limitations are obvious: Each file can have only exactly L >> one such pseudo-ACE, order is irrelevant, and some others coming from theJ >> limitations of the group system as such. It's really only a crutch that can L >> barely be made to work (and I speak from experience here) until ACLs cameK >> along. Of course, the problem with ACLs was that they were late, initial L >> support was quite incomplete and buggy (especially in the area of editingG >> ACLs - VMS has had this problem also, 15 years ago), NFS doesn't sit  easily >> with it, and so on. > F >    A point that goes missing with a lot of people also is that groupL >permission on UNIX maybe used to deny, access even though other (aka World) >grant it. eg. > ; >-rwx---rwx   1 root     gcs            0 Feb  9 07:02 fred  > F >    In this case every one except members of group gcs have access toG >Read/Write/eXecute fred ( remember delete access comes from you having  write ! >access to the parent directory )  >  >  >    Cheers  >        Mark :) >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:17:43 GMT - From: "Jim McKinney" <jmckinney@duvoisin.com> & Subject: Availability Manager vs. AMDS< Message-ID: <X6Gi6.13894$1%2.750388@sjc-read.news.verio.net>  I I want to set up Availability Manager to keep an eye on a couple of boxes K that are running VMS 7.1. I thought I would need to get another small alpha L to run the analyzer, but then I noticed that I can use either an alpha or anJ NT workstation for this task. When I look at the hardware requirements forK the analyzer I'm wonering if I wouln't be better off using AMDS instead. AM K requires a 500 Mhz alpha with 128 MB of ram or a 500 Mhz NT workstation. On H the other hand I can use a cheap DEC 3000 with AMDS. My question is does@ anyone have an opinion on which product is better? If you preferK Availability Manager which platform is better for the analyzer, and does it J really need that hefty a workstation (VMS wise)? Personally I would ratherL use another VMS box for this, but NT boxes are a little easier to come by. I/ appreciate any opinions on this matter. Thanks!    Jim  jmckinney@duvoisin.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:41:52 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> = Subject: Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90? - Message-ID: <3A8B17C0.929AD6A5@earthlink.net>    Didier Morandi wrote:  > I > > "Jonathan McCormack" <McCormackJ@BelfastCity.Gov.UK> wrote in message ? > > news:MuAh6.9403$zz4.232837@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com... J > > > One of our clients wants to stop using LAT & DECNET on their network > 9 > I'd love to know why a Customer wants to stop DECnet... L > Unfortunately, I actually know the answer. He wants to stop DECnet routingL > on his network. When will people understand that DECnet and TCP/IP are TWO6 > DIFFERENT PRODUCTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  E I thought they *DID* understand it, which is why they want DECnet off > the network. It's not only an unknown, it's a foreign unknown.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:26:29 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 2 Subject: Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel.* Message-ID: <3A8B0614.45B4243B@virgin.net>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Paul Sture wrote: F > > Capellas: Mein style is now once very informal. I love skirt music@ > >         over all, it runs permanently with me in the office. > O > What if Capellas actually does run around the office in a skirt and has Bruce & > Springsteain posters in his office ? >   , Oh no. Now look at the rumour we've started!   > L > Perhaps the translation service was accurate after all :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:41:03 -0500 % From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>  Subject: Re: create User$ Message-ID: <3a8ade52$1@news.si.com>  C >   For more than ten years, on multiple systems, I've been using a G >command procedure which does exactly that.  I have never had a problem  >of this sort. > E >   I wrote that procedure specifically so that I could run AUTHORIZE E >from any directory, avoiding the annoying reminder/message/question:     Why not, in SYLOGICALS.COM, put:  : $ define/system/exec sysuaf wherever_your_SYSUAF_is:sysuaf  / Then you don't ever have to switch directories.  --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:47:15 -0500 % From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>  Subject: Re: create User$ Message-ID: <3a8adfc6$1@news.si.com>  J >Of course, defining SYSUAF can bite you if you have got used to doing the >following:  > 
 >UAF> LIST
 >UAF> Exit >$ PRINT SYSUAF   I The way to combat that is, of course, to leave ".DAT" off the equivalence  string:   : $ define/system/exec sysuaf wherever_your_SYSUAF_is:sysuaf --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:35:56 GMT  From: "Fatz" <fatz@fatz.com>! Subject: Re: CTRL Z from a script > Message-ID: <MvFi6.267975$w35.44618216@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>   > telnet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx etc.  [snip]  % Couldn't you use task-to-task or rpc?    Fatz.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 04:05:05 GMT  From: no.spam@columbus.rr.com 6 Subject: DEC Set Client won't let me create an element= Message-ID: <RzIi6.29219$kU6.1088445@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>   J I'm trying to use the DECNet Client for NT to create an element within CMS v4.1.   K I've created the library and have attached to it. When I fill in the CREATE F ELEMENT dialog box (Files:, Read From:, FileType), I get the following error message:  J %CMSCNT-E-TEMP_FILE_ERROR, Files in temporary directory cannot be deleted.  J I'm assuming it's talking about the temporary directory that is created on5 the server side? I looked at it and here's what I see   " CMS$TMP_WRK_2001021423110174.DIR;1%                      (RWED,RWED,RE,E)   G It seems to be okay with deleting the directory when I exit the client.   G I'm trying to evaluate the product for purchase and so far, I'm not too J pleased with it. I need this to work well in order to sell CMS to the restH of our team, who develop their Oracle apps (forms, reports, procedures, H packages, even DCL scripts) on the Windows side and then FTP them to theI Alphas and test them there. I myself find it a waste of time, but I guess ! that's how I've always developed.   L The Forms and Reports have to be developed on the Windows side since that isH the client software our users use to run them with (and Oracle no longer supports Developer 2K on VMS).  # Thanks for any help in this matter.      --  M -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 9 Ivan Samuelson                 * isamuels@columbus.rr.com E IT Architect II                * http://home.columbus.rr.com/isamuelsm3 American Electric Power        * http://www.aep.com M -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-l   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:44:08 GMT 8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>' Subject: Re: error while booting a 3400e( Message-ID: <3A8ABA8A.B26AEE6B@decus.fi>   Might that be >>> T 9E   to list all tests.   _veli    Paul Repacholi wrote:l > # > Bob <gneiss@mailroom.com> writes:m > L > > newer VAXes on ebay, for ex., but I wanted to give this a shot and learnG > > something in the bargain.  We have software manuals but no hardwares > > books.  -Bob)n > >g# > > Performing normal system tests: @ > > 41..40..39..38..37..36..35..34..33..32..31..30..29..28..27.. > @ > I think this MAY be no DSSI terminaator. On the left top there> > sould be a SCSI like connector between a pair of posts. That? > should have a terminator on it. Will have a LED on it. Was itt > in a DSSI cluster per chance?t > > > You can get show dev ext out, so your are going pretty well.@ > HELP should work. If you can find the microvax FAQ, that gives> > the magic T number that dumps all the test names, so you can > see what test is failing.t >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.mB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 21:37:24 GMT& From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>' Subject: Re: error while booting a 3400 ( Message-ID: <96etqk$sf$1@kadath.deep.it>    Bob <gneiss@mailroom.com> wrote:  H > even any tapes.  I had to copy by hand the info from the screen.  Our   D I can't help you too much, but I can suggest you to use a null-modemF cable to hook the console port on the VAX into the serial port of your> workstation. This will help a lot in your resurrection job. :)  ? Even if you have only an MMJ-MMJ cable, you can easily build by C yourself a MMJ-DB9 (or DB25) one by your self, following the pinoutn reported in the OpenVMS FAQs.oD You can emulate an MMJ connector using an RJ11 and a cutter (well, aF friend of mine used an RJ45 and a BOSCH plane. Folkloristic, indeed.).   	loggingly,t 	   Cthulhu    -- .  G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan!o# 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:11:49 -0500d5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>v< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1, Message-ID: <96992g$1j70$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  J Power, packaging, and testing.  If we sell a 16 head system, we would needJ to test it (including FCC testing).  There can also be differences between. slots - not all PCI slots are created equally.  L Lastly, the brain surgeons who wrote the X11 code made the maximum number ofG heads a compile time constant.  As of V7.1-1H2 that limit in VMS is 16.n      # Richard B. Gilbert wrote in messagep. <200102100803_MC2-C4F8-A2DF@compuserve.com>...& Message text written by Christof BrassA >This is a strange thing. I always regarded one aspect of writinge> software as a decision between the one and the many case (1 vs; n). I can't imagine how a system can work for more than onem (logically) and stop at 6.< Like my question about the limitation in the number of VMS's< ACEs where the answers induced that there were only physical@ limits like time needed to process the list of ACEs (but you can> decide if you want to spend that much time) or space needed to store them etc.. <s  K You are thinking linearly.   Think interactions instead.  One graphics card H interacts with the system.  Two graphics cards interact with each other;K i.e. widgets moving from one to another.  I suspect that the complexity maytK be 2^N or N! (factorial).  Those of you who are mathmatically inclined will D probably see immediately that I'm not!!  Clearly, if you just want NK independent X-windows servers, you can buy N X-terminals or N single headed J workstations and drive them from a honking BIG machine.  It's not the same! thing as an N headed workstation.t  I I also suspect that there are issues of interrupts, memory bandwidth, PCIeI slots, power, etc, etc, etc.  I suppose that Compaq could build a machine:F that would handle sixteen graphics heads but who would buy such?  MostI users find one head sufficient.  A few, probably less then one percent ofuK all workstations, would like two.  What percentage would want, and pay for,tF a sixteen headed workstation?  Would it make business sense to design,H manufacture, and write sofware for a sixteen headed machine if you could only sell five of them?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:51:57 -0500d5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>,< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1+ Message-ID: <96c3a2$5mo$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>e  9 Dirk Munk wrote in message <3A7BD5B9.41E3D24B@home.nl>...  >Things get more funny : >a >tL >I don't think the 4D20 is a low-end card. The 3D30 maybe, but not the 4D20. ItF >has about the same general specs as the ZLx. And it was the best card supported in4 >VMS until the new powerstorm 3xx cards came around. >o    A In terms of 3D capabilities, it was never considered anything but H low/mid-range even when it was new.  That isn't to say it didn't performE fairly well for its time and cost (relative to the time it was done).   K It was, as you say, probably the best and longest supported 3D card for VMSl since the SPX on the VAX.U   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:49:27 -0500e5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>e< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1+ Message-ID: <96c35b$5lp$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>t  % Robert Deininger wrote in message ... ? >In article <95s4jk$c450$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" $ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote: >a   SNIP >5J >Except I'll repeat that maybe Compaq could consider releasing some driverD source code if the time comes when it stops "just working".  Lots of' hobbyist turbochannel systems around...< >z    / Perhaps one day.  At this point the issues are:g  C 1) The build environment is non-trivial.  I know, I created a buildxJ environment that I use on my local system so that I don't have to build inG the normal VMS environment.  It is large.  It is subject to substantialM changes.  K 2) Not all code is unencumbered.  For instance, I would not be able to givet you nearly any of the 3D code.  E 3) Hardware documentation for some devices is seriously lacking.  TheoJ Pixelvision based devices are particularly poorly documented.  The TGA andI TGA2 are very well documented.  Some hardware - like 3rd party devices we:E can't give you the documentation on, and the vendor might not either.-  ) 4) Graphics device software isn't simple.r  J 5) A lot of code is from UNIX (i.e. they never wrote a comment unless they( didn't understand what they were doing).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:39:35 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>o< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1+ Message-ID: <96c2is$5fq$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>   K The reason that the firmware restricted devices was because of a problem in K the PCI interface that could cause certain kinds of corruption/crashes.  ItrI was specific to certain types of DMA.  Hacking the firmware to allow thisFC device to be initialized by the firmware won't make the device worko# correctly if it causes the DMA bug.   B Christof Brass wrote in message <3A7B30D2.A477ADA@infopuls.com>... >Dirk Munk wrote:e >> >> Christof Brass wrote: >> >> > Dirk Munk wrote:i >> > >F >> > > Take care !! You may be looking at the wrong firmware update !! >> > >, >> > > This is the right page for the 600au: >> > > >> > >G ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/readmes/digitalpw.htmla >> > > >> > > Regards,T >> > > >> > > Dirk  >> >: >> > Thanks! I got more information about the topic since.? >> > What we need is a *custom* firmware which had been made byoE >> > DEC/Compaq to support said card. Is there any chance to get this.- >> > custom firmware or can it be done again?D >>J >> I have no idea. But it seems that the ZLXp-L1 is a rather old card, and thatH >> it was used in earlier generations Alphastations. The best card for aL >> PWS600au with VMS would be a Powerstorm 4D20. I would think that making aL >> special firmware version and keeping that inline with the normal firmware6 >> versions is much more expensive than buying a 4D20. >>F >> Follow this link to find more information about graphics under VMS: >>2 >> http://www5.compaq.com/info/SP4508/SP4508PF.PDF >> >> Regards,e >> >> Dirku > 9 >Thanks, I checked. I was told that ZLXp-L1 is a high-endoA >graphics card while the 4D20 is a low end. And the customisationa9 >that was done was only to add the ZLXp-L1 to the list of @ >accepted devices (or removed from the list of not accepted). If: >this is true I want to know if it difficult to change the? >firmware that way by downloading it from the web and modifyingn/ >the file before applying the firmware upgrade.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:43:10 -0500:5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>s< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1+ Message-ID: <96c2pj$5fv$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>   % Robert Deininger wrote in message ...h; >In article <3A7B30D2.A477ADA@infopuls.com>, Christof Brassi <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:p >n >.H >Question:  will this card work with Open3D, Decwindows, and VMS, if youF don't try to use it as the console?  Perhaps you can use the alternateF console, get VMS going, and then everything will work.  If the consoleI doesn't like your graphics card, you might have to manually configure thenL driver with SYSMAN.  But it might work.  If the driver was written properly,L there's a good chance that it asks the system about variable things like PCIL address layouts, and will work properly once it recognizes the card.  On theJ other hand, the driver might just refuse to work on an PCI platform that's not hard-coded into it.t      J Well, the firmware needs to configure the device.  If it doesn't, then youI are SOL.  In particular, the firmware manages the PCI address space.  ThemJ device BARs provide the amount and type of address space, and the firmwareG then writes the BARs with the PA's for it to use.  If the FW doesn't dot this, then you're screwed.   >eJ >If you decide to try this sort of thing, don't give up until you've triedL all the PCI slots.  Sometimes PCI-PCI bridges require some extra work in theF driver, so every one of those you cross could perhaps lower your odds. >8E >Basically, I'm suggesting you pretend the ZLXp-L1 card is completelynI unknown to VMS.  There's a mechanism for VMS to support 3rd-party drivers4K and devices.  Use that mechanism with the DEC-supplied driver that supportslK the card on other machines.  It might be worth spending an afternoon to tryo it out.  >a  , As long as the firmware calls the BIOS init.  D >Which alpha systems support this card in VMS?  How similar are they PCI-wise to the PWS? > L >The console lives in firmware, and it has to understand the console device.I I can understand firmware not being able to cope with a device that's noteI _explicitly_ programmed for that machine.  But I would half-hope that the L higher layers of the OS could take this in stride.  The card is supported in some machines, after all.  >tH >Modifying firmware sounds absolutely awful.  There were noises early onJ about 3rd-party firmware and PALcode, but I don't know that it ever caughtI on.  If the requirements are documented, I don't know where.  And even if-I you know just how to do it, you'll have to start from scratch or convincekH the Q to allow you access to their firmware source code.  Unless you areK clairvoiant enough to figure out which bits to tweek, and you just edit the  firmware image in hex. >  >--t >Robert Deiningere >rdeininger@mindspring.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:09:05 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>n< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1, Message-ID: <9698td$1j6k$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  % Robert Deininger wrote in message ...o? >In article <95s3mu$c3jb$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge"s$ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote: >t >rK >> The ZLXp-L* will *probably* NOT work in a EV6 system.  It might work, we L >> have never actually tried it.  It was never tested.  If it does it is "atL >> your own risk".  The IO architecture changed for byte/word access in EV6, soL >> it all depends on if this card did any -- and there is always the problem of@ >> potential timing issues on faster systems that could be seen. >>> >> The appropriate replacement card would be the P300 or P350. >uL >Speaking for us Poor Folks, the major difference is price.  ZLX(p)-xn cardsK often show up on the used market for cheap.  I assume the performance isn'tgH what a new card would give, but these old high-end cards would be better9 than the current low-end ones.  At least that's our hope.f >c    L It is not practical for us to even attempt to qualify these old cards on newH systems.  We don't sell them anymore, and can't get fixes for them if weI found problems.  If you want an old card, get an old system (and maybe ans! old version of SW) to go with it.b  I >Support is another question, but us poor folks often do our own support.TK Obviously re-writing device drivers from scratch isn't something most of us  are prepared to do., >wI >Do you have any advice about the ZLX turbochannel cards with modern VMS?tF I've seen that they are all unsupported in Open3D for the last severalJ versions.  Do they really stop working?  Was the code removed from Open3D,L or is this another case of combinations that just weren't tested due to lackF of time?  Will these cards provide basic DECwindows functionality even without Open3D?o >     J It depends.  Some cards (like the ZLX-E, ZLXp-E, etc) had basic 2D supportK on the base system.  Some cards, like the ZLX-L only had support in Open3D.   K As I said in an earlier note.  We have NOT removed the code from the Open3DoJ kit, and do not plan to.  The code was de-supported by the WS group beforeK VMS took over support.  While we do not have the people and expertise to doeI any extensive bugfixes -- as long as the code continues to work - we wille continue to ship it.    H >I too have a user who is starting to gripe about the 8-bit color on theJ basic PMAGB-B turbochannel card.  What chance that better cards will still work?l >f  B The "better" cards will probably work.  The TC machines are prettyH long-in-the-tooth.  So no new TC graphics have been done in quite a long time.   K >If the old cards are really abandoned by Compaq, is there a possibility ofmF trying an open-source experiment with the old driver code?  Tweeking aH driver to match a new memory model doesn't sound too scary; writing from1 scratch is not a hobby project for anyone I know.e >e    I The build environment for these things is large and complex.  This is notbL something I would do for someone with only a casual interest.  I have made aJ build environment and some sources available to 3rd parties with a genuineH need and committment to use it.  I decided a while back that there isn'tI sufficient *real* interest in a freeware kit that would make it worth the C effort.  We also could not ship *all* the code, since some of it is " protected by licensing agreements.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:14:07 -0500o5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> ' Subject: Re: FORCING 8BIT COLOR IN DCE?u, Message-ID: <96996r$1iet$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  F Monitors are pretty much insensitive to frame buffer depth.   What youG really mean is that you have a 24-bit graphics adapter.  To give you anaI answer, you need to give us details about the adapter you are using.  The H output from DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG should tell us what we need to know.      > Mark London wrote in message <8FEB01.21323884@psfc.mit.edu>...L >I have a 24 bit color monitor, but I don't want to use 24 bit color because ofG >a problem with an application (ghostscript, see my previous post).  Isi there-F >anyway to force DCE to start up and use 8 bit color instead?  Thanks. >e >Mark London >MRL@PSFC.MIT.EDUd   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:09:20 -0500R# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>aB Subject: Re: found some old dec (software) maybe some here want it+ Message-ID: <3A8AD7E0.173900F3@hsc.vcu.edu>h  0 hhmm.. i may bite, if to put it up on the web...   Beyonder wrote:k > F > I found a PDP-11 emulator for Dos (of all things), it's 999K in size > (compressed).3 > D > I also found a copy of the Spacewar binary for the PDP-1, way back > when.e >  > Anyone interested? >  > B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:56:02 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comn Subject: Re: Google buys Deja D Message-ID: <OFBF245F20.C3791297-ON882569F3.006D7718@foundation.com>  ? I gave the same address I joined e-groups with. It accepted it.    Shaneu          H koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) on 02/14/2001 10:31:04 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:    Subject:  Re: Google buys Deja    7 In article <3A896514.7D48F8C9@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn ! <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  > K > IMHO the recent transition egroups->yahoogroups is as seamless as it gets- > and should+ > be an example for all doing similar work.T >r  @ I disagree.  Yahoo insisted on having a second email address and< provided a hook to get a Yahoo email address.  Self serving.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationc= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupoE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:27:35 +0000e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>(= Subject: Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?h) Message-ID: <3A8ACE16.51A81FC9@bbc.co.uk>n   no.spam@columbus.rr.com wrote:  H > Is there anyway to obtain a hobbyist version of CMS (v4.0 or v4.1) for	 > Alphas?g >gG > I've looked everywhere and cannot seem to find where to order it fromw > DECUS. >hK > At my work, we are looking at using CMS. However, I need to convince them-K > it is worth getting. We do Oracle development on Alphas and store all ourk5 > SQL scripts, DCL scripts, Forms and Reports on VMS.r > I > However, they are pushing to use PVCS because many people do the actual> > coding on the Windows side.n > H > With the DECSet client, this will alleviate that purpose. I've alreadyJ > tried to convince them about the plusses with the CMS clients (keeps theL > source on the Alphas which our managers and myself want), but you know the> > higher ups. They don't want to hear it, they want to see it. >tD > I would like to install a version of CMS with my DECUS license forI > demonstration purposes only. I've already downloaded the CMS Client andi@ > Server demos from Compaq, but they also require CMS installed.  K I am sure if you approach the appropriate people in your local Compaq sales)N organization they can arrange a softwtare loan for such demonstation purposes,K no need to break the hobbyiest licence by using it for commercial purposes.e  9 You should be able to get short lived loan PAK and media.l   HTHe   >e >oG > Is is possible to even GET a hobbyist version of CMS? I don't know ofmI > anyone else that has it to obtain it from (which I thought was legal asa= > long as it was used under the guise of the hobbyist licenset   >h >eG > I'm only interested in testing out the Client to see if it's feasiblenK > (which I think it will be from what I've read) for our department to use.t >a  M I tried the time limited Demo of DECSet CLient for Windows for test purposes,t I liked it.    >r	 > Thanks!j    --t6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofp MedAS or the BBC.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:34:01 -0500a/ From: "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>b= Subject: RE: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?AI Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB41C@rlghncst625.usps.gov>   J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C096BD.14F6D540c Content-Type: text/plain;m 	charset="iso-8859-1"-    4 If you're willing to prove that your intentions are / honorable you can contact Compaq and request a m: temporary PAK and loaner software for your *non-hobbyist*  system.s  ; You're kind of stretching the hobbyist terms and conditionsm doing what you're doing. o   WWWebb     -----Original Message-----0 From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET * Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 1:41 PM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET9 Subject: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?d    F Is there anyway to obtain a hobbyist version of CMS (v4.0 or v4.1) for Alphas?   E I've looked everywhere and cannot seem to find where to order it fromr DECUS.  I At my work, we are looking at using CMS. However, I need to convince themsI it is worth getting. We do Oracle development on Alphas and store all ourc3 SQL scripts, DCL scripts, Forms and Reports on VMS.-  G However, they are pushing to use PVCS because many people do the actualn coding on the Windows side.j  F With the DECSet client, this will alleviate that purpose. I've alreadyH tried to convince them about the plusses with the CMS clients (keeps theJ source on the Alphas which our managers and myself want), but you know the< higher ups. They don't want to hear it, they want to see it.  B I would like to install a version of CMS with my DECUS license forG demonstration purposes only. I've already downloaded the CMS Client andn> Server demos from Compaq, but they also require CMS installed.  E Is is possible to even GET a hobbyist version of CMS? I don't know ofrG anyone else that has it to obtain it from (which I thought was legal as = long as it was used under the guise of the hobbyist license).   E I'm only interested in testing out the Client to see if it's feasible I (which I think it will be from what I've read) for our department to use.    Thanks!r     --L -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -r9 Ivan Samuelson                 * isamuels@columbus.rr.comrE IT Architect II                * http://home.columbus.rr.com/isamuelsi3 American Electric Power        * http://www.aep.com L -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -m  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C096BD.14F6D540s Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable,  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2653.12"> C <TITLE>RE: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?</TITLE>u </HEAD>n <BODY> <BR>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If you're willing to prove that your intentions are =r </FONT>aC <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>honorable you can contact Compaq and request a =e </FONT>o? <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>temporary PAK and loaner software for your =  *non-hobbyist* </FONT>! <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>system.</FONT>e </P>  D <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You're kind of stretching the hobbyist terms and = conditions</FONT> 3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>doing what you're doing. </FONT>> </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>WWWebb</FONT>: </P> <BR>  3 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>rD <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET = </FONT>>D <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 1:41 PM</FONT>B <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at = INTERNET</FONT> G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for = 
 Alpha?</FONT>> </P> <BR>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Is there anyway to obtain a hobbyist version of CMS =i (v4.0 or v4.1) for</FONT>a! <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Alphas?</FONT>f </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I've looked everywhere and cannot seem to find where = to order it from</FONT>s  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>DECUS.</FONT> </P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>At my work, we are looking at using CMS. However, I => need to convince them</FONT>E <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>it is worth getting. We do Oracle development on =n Alphas and store all our</FONT>gC <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>SQL scripts, DCL scripts, Forms and Reports on =  VMS.</FONT>o </P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>However, they are pushing to use PVCS because many = people do the actual</FONT>-5 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>coding on the Windows side.</FONT>t </P>  D <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>With the DECSet client, this will alleviate that = purpose. I've already</FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>tried to convince them about the plusses with the = CMS clients (keeps the</FONT>-G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>source on the Alphas which our managers and myself =m want), but you know the</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>higher ups. They don't want to hear it, they want to =X see it.</FONT> </P>  D <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I would like to install a version of CMS with my = DECUS license for</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>demonstration purposes only. I've already downloaded =Q the CMS Client and</FONT>rH <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Server demos from Compaq, but they also require CMS = installed.</FONT>c </P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Is is possible to even GET a hobbyist version of CMS? =e I don't know of</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>anyone else that has it to obtain it from (which I =  thought was legal as</FONT>IH <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>long as it was used under the guise of the hobbyist = license).</FONT> </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm only interested in testing out the Client to see = if it's feasible</FONT>aG <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(which I think it will be from what I've read) for =a our department to use.</FONT>  </P>    <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks!</FONT> </P> <BR>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--</FONT>r <BR><FONT =fJ SIZE=3D2>-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D=I -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D=  -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ivan =nI Samuelson&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=eC sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * isamuels@columbus.rr.com</FONT> ! <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>IT Architect =vI II&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=sI p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * <A HREF=3D"http://home.columbus.rr.com/isamuels" = A TARGET=3D"_blank">http://home.columbus.rr.com/isamuels</A></FONT> & <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>American Electric =6 Power&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * <A = HREF=3D"http://www.aep.com" =e/ TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.aep.com</A></FONT>n <BR><FONT =wJ SIZE=3D2>-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D=I -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D=a -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-</FONT> </P>   </BODY>v </HTML>a) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C096BD.14F6D540--e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:59:04 -0800I! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.coml= Subject: Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?eD Message-ID: <OFC68905E5.318B2EF1-ON882569F3.006D9499@foundation.com>  H The hobbyist licencing scheme does include CMS, and all the other DECsetI products. However, I suggest you contact your Compac salesthing and don'tmB let it go until it arranges a loaner licence. This is quite normalH practice, for evaluation purposes. Then you can set it up, show them theI product working in the actual environment, and you've got the foot in theu+ door because half the work is already done.    Shanem          H no.spam@columbus.rr.com@naboo.columbus.rr.com> on 02/14/2001 10:18:07 AM  9 Sent by:  Ivan Samuelson <isamuels@naboo.columbus.rr.com>      To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comk cc:o  : Subject:  How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?    F Is there anyway to obtain a hobbyist version of CMS (v4.0 or v4.1) for Alphas?g  E I've looked everywhere and cannot seem to find where to order it fromF DECUS.  I At my work, we are looking at using CMS. However, I need to convince thempI it is worth getting. We do Oracle development on Alphas and store all ourl3 SQL scripts, DCL scripts, Forms and Reports on VMS."  G However, they are pushing to use PVCS because many people do the actual  coding on the Windows side.n  F With the DECSet client, this will alleviate that purpose. I've alreadyH tried to convince them about the plusses with the CMS clients (keeps theJ source on the Alphas which our managers and myself want), but you know the< higher ups. They don't want to hear it, they want to see it.  B I would like to install a version of CMS with my DECUS license forG demonstration purposes only. I've already downloaded the CMS Client and > Server demos from Compaq, but they also require CMS installed.  E Is is possible to even GET a hobbyist version of CMS? I don't know of G anyone else that has it to obtain it from (which I thought was legal asm= long as it was used under the guise of the hobbyist license).s  E I'm only interested in testing out the Client to see if it's feasibletI (which I think it will be from what I've read) for our department to use.i   Thanks!      --M -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-e  9 Ivan Samuelson                 * isamuels@columbus.rr.comtE IT Architect II                * http://home.columbus.rr.com/isamuelsl3 American Electric Power        * http://www.aep.comdM -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-'   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:43:07 GMT . From: no.spam@columbus.rr.com (Ivan Samuelson)= Subject: Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?D0 Message-ID: <9048A9743isamuelson2566@65.24.2.11>  N Thanks to everyone about contacting Compaq. That's what I'll do about getting  a loaner license.r  J Does it matter whether or not if we purchase it? As I stated, we're doing J this to evaluate the product to determine if it fits our needs (I already C know it will, I just have to prove it to everyone else on my team!)e   Thanks!    -- eM -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-h9 Ivan Samuelson                 * isamuels@columbus.rr.contE IT Architect II                * http://home.columbus.rr.com/isamuelsw3 American Electric Power (AEP)  * http://www.aep.comiM -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-I   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:55:49 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comt= Subject: Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?yD Message-ID: <OF7249F4C1.82FBF10B-ON882569F3.007863B8@foundation.com>  I It shouldn't matter. The licence is to let you evaluate it, if a purchase B was mandatory there'd be no point in having an evaluation licence.   Shanea          B no.spam@columbus.rr.com (Ivan Samuelson) on 02/14/2001 01:43:07 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:a  > Subject:  Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?    E Thanks to everyone about contacting Compaq. That's what I'll do about  getting  a loaner license.s  I Does it matter whether or not if we purchase it? As I stated, we're doing I this to evaluate the product to determine if it fits our needs (I already C know it will, I just have to prove it to everyone else on my team!)F   Thanks!    --M -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-u  9 Ivan Samuelson                 * isamuels@columbus.rr.con E IT Architect II                * http://home.columbus.rr.com/isamuelso3 American Electric Power (AEP)  * http://www.aep.comsM -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-k   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:33:34 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)= Subject: Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?h; Message-ID: <3a8b07be.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>r   no.spam@columbus.rr.com wrote:7 > We do Oracle development on Alphas and store all our D5 > SQL scripts, DCL scripts, Forms and Reports on VMS.e >0J > However, they are pushing to use PVCS because many people do the actual  > coding on the Windows side.s  E Then be sure to also look at the Enterprise Toolkit, OpenVMS Edition:i9 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/et/et_index.htmlk  1 I'm sure you can obtain a loan PAK for that, too.n   cu,'   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:50:56 -0500o% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>e Subject: Re: Hummingbird Exceed $ Message-ID: <3a8aeeb3$1@news.si.com>  K >Does anybody know how to get Hummingbird Exceed on the NT to display DEC X.
 >Windows??  H I use it every day.  Use the Client Wizard to set yourself up a DECterm. -- iA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comcA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comn= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 23:21:38 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)+ Subject: Re: IA-64 is Dead (Murderer:  EV7)f, Message-ID: <96f3u2$bh5@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  e In article <7p2JOnwjTpcxYBcx1Q1srC4fxaUO@4ax.com>, David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com> writes: C >On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:37:59 -0000, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warrene >Spencer) wrote: >>M >>So is the writing on the wall?  Will the IA-64 be the processor that never 1 >>was? >b? >Not sure.  You certainly won't want to run 32-bit emulation on B >it in its current form.  Might be possible in the future to do so= >without the big performance hit.  Based on what it currentlyr? >does, it will probbaly be a niche market for awhile,  However, 6 >like Yoda said, "The future -- always moving, it is".  J Go to Compaq's test drive site. Sign up.  Log onto the Itanium machine andG compile/run your own code and benchmark.  It pretty much as to be UnixyoI code though as that's a Linux64 machine.  It ran my code (which basicallynK does nothing but integer operations and memory moves) as well as an Alpha. y   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edut? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech nJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:10:38 -0500r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h+ Subject: Re: IA-64 is Dead (Murderer:  EV7)e, Message-ID: <3A8B1E7C.5F6BA02B@videotron.ca>  , I don't want to start a VMS-on-Intel debate.  L However, if VMS were to be available on Intel (and IA64), how would Compaq'sN "industry standard server group" react ? Would they embrace VMS, or would they still ignore it ?h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:55:32 -0600i7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>s+ Subject: Re: IA-64 is Dead (Murderer:  EV7)t- Message-ID: <3A8B2904.91165FC1@earthlink.net>t   JF Mezei wrote:i > . > I don't want to start a VMS-on-Intel debate. > N > However, if VMS were to be available on Intel (and IA64), how would Compaq'sP > "industry standard server group" react ? Would they embrace VMS, or would they > still ignore it ?e  3 I should think it would take a co-operative effort:   E The Intel-based server engineering group, to come up with a mobo thatlC can make up for the many shortfalls that the "VMS on Intel? NEVER!"o group keep crying about.  H Then, the VMS engineering group would need to implement the changes that! hardware people make to the mobo.l   Possible? Probably.s   Probable? Hardly.:   --   David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemsp http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.o   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 21:45:43 -05002 From: young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) Subject: Itanium IS the Itanic3 Message-ID: <i4rCVryWos5Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <96eui1$bh5@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:n   > K > These are all pure floating point performance wins. Compaq has an ItaniumEM > system available for test drive.  For the very simple tests I ran it was asaJ > fast or faster than the Alphas I tried. (Note, this is not windows code,L > this is just unixy C code.) Compaq will not port Tru64 to Itanium.  CompaqJ > is starting to make a lot of noise about Itanium systems and they aren'tK > saying "our Alpha will wipe the floor with them!" Intel knows how to mass M > market microprocessors and Compaq clearly does not.  There is a significantnL > probability that Itanium will seize both the mass Unix market AND the highI > performance Unix market. (And if they don't AMD is waiting in the wings K > with their 64 bit CPU). If/when the Alpha becomes number 2 in performancerM > this entire category of Alpha sales will evaporate.  Ask Sun, they dominateuJ > in other market sectors but don't do very well in this one because their$ > chips are a bit behind the curve.  >   7 	If you had stated IA64 instead of Itanium, there mightt= 	be a chance of that coming true.  Won't happen with Itanium.uC 	Any idea when Itanium goes production?  Or more accurately ... anyfF 	idea when it was SUPPOSED to go production if viewed from a December  	2000 timeframe?  C 	More importantly... any idea about Itanium's bandwidth?  Regarding > 	bandwidth and interface to memory, is that shared or point to@ 	point?   Why bandwidth?  Well , just how important is bandwidth? 	to floating point or what is the relationship?  Are Specfp2000=B 	codes more sensitive to bandwidth limitations or are SpecInt2000?    0 	To address some of these questions, let's look:  B http://developer.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/cn091400.htm  2 	high bandwidth, 2.1 gigabyte per second bus speed  9 	That my friend is salesmanship!!!  2.1 GB/sec shared bus=A 	bandwidth is a 1998 number and worst of all, it isn't even point-C 	to point.  -Shared Bus- i.e. 1996 technology!  Alpha 21264 was/is q 	point to point.  @ 	I'll be willing to bet (if you don't need 64 bit address space)@ 	that your code will run faster on a 1.5 GHz Pentium 4 (3.2 GB/s6 	memory bandwidth).  Have you benchmarked on that yet?  = 	You will be better off buying a 2 GHz Pentium 4 when Itaniumb? 	ships.  It will be cheaper and faster than Itanium.  Makes you>> 	wonder where Itanium will end up, eh?  You see... Itanium wasB 	about a year too late to even be mildly interesting... all except> 	for DSP like codes.  Itanium is a glorified vector processor.  = 	Oh?  Well here is something I stumbled upon... changed it up>B 	a bit to hide the guilty, but it is still accurate, nary a number? 	fiddled with... you tell me when they get the compilers a lot  G 	healthier how do you think Itanium will do.  Tell me how Itanium will S* 	do against current P4 hardware.. ha ha ha    F                   opts                compile time    s.c++        b.cO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------eH IA-64 2x733MHz    -O2                  70 min        142.7         151.4 1 GB RAMO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------iH IA-64 2x733MHz    -O3 -funroll-loops   73 min        143.6         152.2 1 GB RAMO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- H HP Netserver 6000 -O3 -funroll-loops   25 min        247.6         316.2" 6x700MHz 1MB Xeon -mcpu=pentiumpro
 2.1 GB RAMO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------->H HP Kayak          -O                   14 min        247.4         213.1 2x733MHz
 512 MB RAMO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------lH HP Kayak          -O3 -funroll-loops   18 min        251.2         226.1" 2x733MHz          -mcpu=pentiumpro
 512 MB RAM    = 	Higher numbers are better (except for compile times , unlesshA 	you like watching a compiler run).  The code is several hundred OA 	thousand lines of mostly c++ and tests CPU and I/O capabilities.l  C 	Ever wonder why Intel is nervous about benchmark info getting out?t  B 	Yes, the compilers are RAW.  So when do you buy one?  Three years= 	from now when the compilers "get healthy" ??? (Assuming theye= 	aren't terminally ill).   Fellows were kind enough to use a ED 	old equipment above.  Woulda been a blood bath if they had a P4 at $ 	1.5 GHz there... not pretty at all.  ; 	It was exactly two years ago when John Miner of Intel madeoA 	the bold prediction that when Merced shipped it would outperformaD 	all RISC platforms... it can't even outperform stale IA32 parts and> 	they will hide behind RAW compilers until the truth is brutal 	to ignore.    				RobZ  L Note:  No NDAs were violated to snag the above information.  The informationH 	found above is readily available on the World Wide Web.  Gotta love it!   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 22:08:08 -05002 From: young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young)" Subject: Re: Itanium IS the Itanic3 Message-ID: <vDxGyHJFEaUU@eisner.encompasserve.org>    >  The code is several hundred  I >        thousand lines of mostly c++ and tests CPU and I/O capabilities.e  8 	To clarify... two parts of that code are represented in= 	the benchmark.  Substantial ones , (or so it seems) but I amE 	an outsider looking in ;-)-   				Rob-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:53:26 -0500=- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca><" Subject: Re: Itanium IS the Itanic, Message-ID: <3A8B52A5.1FAD3303@videotron.ca>  H Most presentations I have seen have always pictured Alpha ahead of IA64,. although the gap would be narrowing over time.  P However, Alpha has proven that higher speed doesn't sell, higher marketing does.  < So, how long before the IA64 starts to outperform the 8086 ?K Is the 8086/pentium nearing the end of its upgradable life ? Or could IntelO+ still pack a lot more punch into the chip ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:03:53 GMTw' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>w' Subject: Re: KVM Switch for VT Keyboard3- Message-ID: <3A8B0EC0.C0801101@theblakes.com>-  @ I've got a Belkin 4-port Omni View SE switch hooked up to my VMS( systems. Works fine. Got it from OutPost( (http://shop2.outpost.com/product/61141)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:58:31 -0600-4 From: "Hall, Bill" <Bill.Hall@NAV-INTERNATIONAL.com>' Subject: RE: KVM Switch for VT KeyboardwP Message-ID: <DBF1295F6C91D3119D3F00508B5DF9A802F1B1CA@obtxspn3.obt.navistar.com>  H One of CSS's solutions (when they were a part of Digital) was a KVM fromI Raritan.  I am currently using a four port Raritan MasterConsole II on mytE desktop.  I have a LK461 keyboard, a VRC21 monitor and a three buttonrL Digital mouse that are switched between an AlphaStation 200, a PW 500a and aJ HiNote Ultra2000.  They have been running a mixture of VMS and Windows forL several years (each at a different video resolution) without issue.  Raritan! can be found at www.raritan.com. .  	 Bill Hallu% Distributed Systems Technical Support  Information Technology  * International Truck and Engine Corporation 1901 South Meyers Road Oakbrook Terrace, IL 60181-5203    Voice: 630-691-5648  Fax: 630-691-5738t) Internet: bill.hall@nav-international.com       -----Original Message----- 4 From: 	Shael Richmond [mailto:ksrich@bellsouth.net] ) Sent:	Tuesday, February 13, 2001 10:12 PMe To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComH# Subject:	KVM Switch for VT Keyboardi  @ Does anybody know of a Keyboard,Video,Mouse switch that supports> the VT keyboard?  I've tried several and haven't had any luck.@ Compaq is no help, CSS's solution was a normal Compaq switch and a PC keyboard.   Thanks,i   Shaeli   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:33:02 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>l@ Subject: Re: LN05/LN06 - Power Supplies and fuser unit problems.3 Message-ID: <3A8AF98E.5DEE76A7@applied-synergy.com>n  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:  > L > Anyone know how common the power supplies are in the LN05 (a.k.a. DEClaserD > 2100) and LN06 (a.k.a. 2200), the latter with a duplex unit on it?H > I have one of each and the LN06 has decided that it no longer wants toK > work.  It was going through its self tests at power up and then giving an J > error #50 when it tried to print.  It's now not even completing its self6 > tests before giving "50 SERVICE" in the LCD display. > L > I understand that error code 50 is that the fuser unit is not reaching itsJ > operating temperature or not heating up at all but swapping a known goodJ > fuser unit in it didn't make any difference.  The printer still gave theJ > error #50 instead of printing so the next guess is the power supply.  IsE > this likely to be a valid guess or am I missing something else thati! > regularly goes wrong with them?d  D I'm not familiar with the LN06, but I have gone through this with an LN05.'  G 50 SERVICE is probably the AC power supply.  This is the block with the  power cord and power switch.  H Tbis is the same unit as used in the HP LJ II/III.  You can get one fromB www.printerworks.com.  The last time I got one, I think it was $19	 exchange.o  
 Good luck!  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------a$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com f   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:20:47 +0100!B From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>+ Subject: Re: Look at http://news.compaq.come7 Message-ID: <3A8ADA8F.1413@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>i   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Robert Schmoelzer wrote:6 > > Found an interesting site @ http://news.compaq.com+ > > What do you think about this Webmaster?= > D > I wonder if this is a true Compaq site or perhaps it is a DNS game3 > that redirects the site to a non-Compaq company ?h  1 You mean something like http://wwwcompaq.com  :-)n   -- s ME   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:09:47 GMT80 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org>3 Subject: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide. = Message-ID: <fCBi6.30427$gb1.1302080@news4.aus1.giganews.com>    Hello folks:  H I am looking for a copy of KA630-AA CPU Module User's Guide for internalF I/O programming like clock, qbus, etc. for operating system, emulator,J etc. Its part number is EK-KA630-UG-001.  I contacted Compaq and found out# that a copy is no longer available!   2 Does anyone have a copy?  If so, let me know that.  
 Thank you!   -- Tim Stark   -- o, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 14:30:32 -08003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>=7 Subject: Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.=0 Message-ID: <qhy9v87v93.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  2 Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> writes:J > I am looking for a copy of KA630-AA CPU Module User's Guide for internalH > I/O programming like clock, qbus, etc. for operating system, emulator,L > etc. Its part number is EK-KA630-UG-001.  I contacted Compaq and found out% > that a copy is no longer available!  > 4 > Does anyone have a copy?  If so, let me know that.  L Yes.  Send me your postal address, and I'll be happy to mail you a photocopy. after you release your KS10 simulator sources.   Eric   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:31:03 GMTo% From: hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net>y7 Subject: Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.n0 Message-ID: <3A8B15EE.E8B34742@bellatlantic.net>   Eric Smith wrote:r4 > Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> writes:L > > I am looking for a copy of KA630-AA CPU Module User's Guide for internalJ > > I/O programming like clock, qbus, etc. for operating system, emulator,N > > etc. Its part number is EK-KA630-UG-001.  I contacted Compaq and found out' > > that a copy is no longer available!c6 > > Does anyone have a copy?  If so, let me know that.N > Yes.  Send me your postal address, and I'll be happy to mail you a photocopy0 > after you release your KS10 simulator sources. > Eric Tim,= I will give you a uVII, just to get my mitts on the emulator.  KA630, mem, RD, ...l bobr   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:07:34 -0500s, From: Ken McMonigal <kmcmonig@mail.bcpl.net>7 Subject: Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide. - Message-ID: <3A8B6416.98C43162@mail.bcpl.net>o   hg/jb wrote: >  > Eric Smith wrote: 6 > > Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> writes:N > > > I am looking for a copy of KA630-AA CPU Module User's Guide for internalL > > > I/O programming like clock, qbus, etc. for operating system, emulator,P > > > etc. Its part number is EK-KA630-UG-001.  I contacted Compaq and found out) > > > that a copy is no longer available!:8 > > > Does anyone have a copy?  If so, let me know that.P > > Yes.  Send me your postal address, and I'll be happy to mail you a photocopy2 > > after you release your KS10 simulator sources. > > Eric > Tim,? > I will give you a uVII, just to get my mitts on the emulator.e > KA630, mem, RD, ...o > bobb  . Does this sound like a possible Catch-22 ?  ;) ---,   Kenl  oB     The Algol compiler used at Case Institute of Technology, after finding-D     25 errors in the source (e.g., like you spelled BEGIN as BEGNI), would E     print: "At this point, we suggest you try re-reading the manual."p   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:33:22 GMTr0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org>: Subject: Re: MicroVAX II - local register I/O programming?6 Message-ID: <mYBi6.4089$Jp2.121042@news6.giganews.com>  , Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> wrote:H > The only register space I am aware of on a uVAXII that has a 'B' in itG > is 200B8000-200B807E. This address range is the TOY clock and scratch + > pad RAM implemented by the MC146818 chip.*  = Well, I need complete specs about TOY, scratch pad RAM, etc..-  J > To program the console terminal interface use the MFPR/MTPR instructions > with' > the console SLU IPR register numbers:(  - >     32 RXCS receive control/status registerv! >     33 RXDB receive data bufferr# >     34 TXCS transmit c/s registeri >     35 TXDB transmit dbo  F Ok, thank you for information. I will look into my VAX Arch Ref manual! (1st edition) for more details...o  E > The QBUS IOPAGE register space is at 20000000-20001FFF. The CPU cane< > access all of the QBUS address space at 30000000-303FFFFF.  < > The QBUS space mapping registers are at 20088000-2008FFFC.  A Well, I do not have QBUS programming quide. :-(  Does anyone havewE information about QBUS func specs for progamming?  I know only UNIBUSe specs.  2 > The Boot and Diagnostic Register is at 20080000.2 > The Memory System Error Register is at 20080004.2 > The CPU Error Address Register   is at 20080008.1 > The DMA Error Address Register   is at 2008000Ct  / How about bit-level comphersive specifications?g  G > The console ROM is addressable in two spaces depending upon processortG > state. In HALT mode the ROM resides at 20040000-2004FFFF. In RUN modenE > the ROM is at 20050000-2005FFFF. The ROM will appear multiple timeslC > in these spaces depending upon the size of the actual ROM chips.    C Ok, I got it.  I have re-write my ROM routines to make that effect.n  F > I think you need to find a copy of EK-KA630-UG-001, the KA630-AA CPU4 > Module User's Guide. (No, you can't have mine. 8-)  H I contacted Compaq but I was told that this copy is no longer available.# :-(  I still am looking for a copy.e  
 Thank you!   -- Tim Stark   -- t, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:56:30 -0700h1 From: David D Miller <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com>oL Subject: RE: Not being published: OpenVMS Performance Management book ed 2 .F Message-ID: <OF40C3FA17.81C64B9D-ON072569F3.006D7689@rsc.raytheon.com>   Gang:n  @ I asked Digital Press to comment on the cancellation of "OpenVmsK Performance Management ed. 2" and here is Pam's answer.  She also commentedm" on the status of the Book of Ruth.   dave.     3 About the cancellation of the Sethi second edition:   J The author of the first edition was under contract to revise his book, andG found he was unable to do so. It was nothing to do with DEC/Compaq, and E nothing directly to do with Digital Press. We are recruiting revisionhE authors for many OpenVMS titles, this book among them, so if you knowi anyone% interested in writing on a new topic, I or revising a book for Digital Press, please contact me for more details.u   Thanks.v   Pam Chesters Associate Editor
 Digital Press  225 Wildwood Avenue  Woburn, MA  01801  781-904-2603 pam.chester@bhusa.com     K We are currently working with Ruth Goldenberg to complete the other volumes D of the Internals revision. Given the complexity of the project, it'sK obviously going to take time to get this done. But it's a work in progress.?   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 17:18:05 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)oL Subject: RE: Not being published: OpenVMS Performance Management book ed 2 .3 Message-ID: <MCzCkrmDgqlT@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  z In article <OF40C3FA17.81C64B9D-ON072569F3.006D7689@rsc.raytheon.com>, David D Miller <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com> writes:   > quoting Pam Chestert > Associate Editor > Digital Press9  M > We are currently working with Ruth Goldenberg to complete the other volumes F > of the Internals revision. Given the complexity of the project, it'sM > obviously going to take time to get this done. But it's a work in progress.n  G Ruth obviously has to write faster than the other folks can change whati% she is writing about.  No small task.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:02:25 -0500a% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> # Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?g$ Message-ID: <3a8ae354$1@news.si.com>  C >At the University of Chicago in 1970, I played a space war type ofhF >game.  It ran on the Maniac III (built about 1964 - 1966), and used aG >round display tube that was about 16" in diameter, housed in a cabinett3 >that was about 3' wide, 5' high and about 7' long.h  K In 1968, I was using an IBM 1620 with a teletype console and sense switchesb to play football.r --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comiA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:04:48 -0500 % From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>B# Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?-$ Message-ID: <3a8ae3e3$1@news.si.com>  / >They are in VMSHARE format.   Does anyone know7H >any utility to un-VMSHARE packages so effective?  Without it, I have to edit$ >every files to merge files togther.  H VMSHARE packages are self-extractibg command procedures.  You simply say, @PACKAGE to extract the elements of the set. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com-A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent-< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:44:25 -0800e! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comm# Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?iD Message-ID: <OFD35C359C.7517DC38-ON882569F3.007760FD@foundation.com>  4 Did it work after you kicked it around the field? :)   Shanew          E Brian Tillman <tillman_brian@healthnet.com> on 02/14/2001 12:02:25 PM    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComT cc:y  $ Subject:  Re: Oldest computer games?    C >At the University of Chicago in 1970, I played a space war type ofdF >game.  It ran on the Maniac III (built about 1964 - 1966), and used aG >round display tube that was about 16" in diameter, housed in a cabinet 3 >that was about 3' wide, 5' high and about 7' long.l  K In 1968, I was using an IBM 1620 with a teletype console and sense switches. to play football.t --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comlA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comr= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventu< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:58:23 -0500j% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>-$ Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?y$ Message-ID: <3a8ae262$1@news.si.com>   >now if i can find an 800bpi...s  J One of the VAXes we have has a SCSI-based Anritsu tape drive that supports8 800/1600/6250.  I can convert to 8mm or DLT, if desired. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comoA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com3= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventj< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:13:01 -0500t# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>t$ Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?y+ Message-ID: <3A8AF4DD.3ED15E87@hsc.vcu.edu>s  ( Hey Brian, can you email me directly, at   agnew at hsc dot vcu dot edu???  neither of your "clues" seem to work for me.  'course, i havn't looked to see if the pc's plugged	 in... ;-)    Jim    Brian Tillman wrote: > ! > >now if i can find an 800bpi...k > L > One of the VAXes we have has a SCSI-based Anritsu tape drive that supports: > 800/1600/6250.  I can convert to 8mm or DLT, if desired. > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com/C > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com ? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventH> > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:17:25 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>i3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha 1200 5/533 login problemo, Message-ID: <9699cu$1j72$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  B The standard KB driver (for both VMS and Tru64) require the use ofF Scanset 3 mode in the KB.  My guess is that the KB is responding badly0 to something, and is in some type of reset loop.      0 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote in message ...  E Nope. All the cheap PC keyboards worked at the console, but failed in / DECwindows. Don't ask me why, coz I don't know.e   Shane           , kkratz@my-deja.com on 02/07/2001 07:22:15 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:c  4 Subject:  Re: OpenVMS Alpha 1200 5/533 login problem    G If it were a keyboard problem, wouldn't it start sending the charactersm7 in bootup? This only happens when DECWindows starts up.r    / In article <t83fukhh7s618f@news.supernews.com>,j0   wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) wrote:< > kkratz@my-deja.com wrote in <95sbis$3ai$1@nnrp1.deja.com>: >rB > >When DECWindows starts We get the console login, but it flashes almostF > >like it is constantly refreshing.  You can't type the login name or> > >password because of this...Any suggestions?  Restarting the
 DECWindows+ > >server does not fix the problem.  Thanksr > >m > >Kee Kratz > >0 > >6 > >Sent via Deja.com > >http://www.deja.com/s > >D >3C > Sounds like a keyboard malfunction - it may be constantly sendingw
 > characters.n >e > ws >  > --5 > << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>  >0 > Warren Spencer > Senior Software Engineer > The Associated Press >oA > ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **o >      Sent via Deja.comt http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:41:01 -0400v' From: Jim Melhhop <mehlhop@mehlhop.org>v& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items+ Message-ID: <3A8A7CDD.7BCB77FA@mehlhop.org>h   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 5 > In article <xsZfqG+2WtQb@eisner.encompasserve.org>,t9 >  koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:d > |>L > |> Nothing less than an 18 year calendar will really do.  With pictures of > |> the Irish Railway cluster?  > @ > When did this become a cluster??  I thought they said it was a > single machine.  g   I think it was a cluster  1 >Were there clusters 18 years ago?? (Really, this  > is a legitimate question.)    G I remember supporting clusters I think, in 83 so that should be correctr   >If this is really a cluster, Is< > withdraw my statements of disbelief.  I have no doubt that> > using rolling upgrades a VMS cluster could be kept going for= > 18 years, I just objected to the idea that a single 18 year-@ > old machine (which would make it a relatively early model VAX); > could be kept running continuously for 18 years without an8 > single harware or OS upgrade or even a simple re-boot. >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:49:29 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional ItemsH Message-ID: <OF9C83A5A7.2F898EDA-ON802569F3.006C7BD0@qedi.quintiles.com>  J My understanding was that it was a standalone machine (or a group thereof)I and that it had not been upgraded (was still running VMS Version whatever  from initial installation).rJ I guess that demonstrates the old adage of if it ain't broke don't fix it.  G (I do reserve the right to point out things that are broken for lack of:K functionality though, like UCX v1.3 on a VAX 4000-200 and a VAXstation 3100 1 that couldn't do DNS lookups, but I digress.....)g  F Various people, including Bob Koehler, Bill Gunshannon and Jim Mehlhop wrote: >>>> |>oI > |> Nothing less than an 18 year calendar will really do.  With pictures, of > |> the Irish Railway cluster?- >m@ > When did this become a cluster??  I thought they said it was a > single machine.-   I think it was a cluster <<<-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:52:25 -0800e% From: C.W.Holeman II <cwhii@mail.com>m& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items' Message-ID: <3a8afd25$1_2@news.vic.com>e  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  L > Nice idea ... a miniature of the cutest Microvax II    to put in my desk ! > ! !m > With blinkining lights ! !  " As long as it is fully functional.   -- q C.W.Holeman II cwhii@mail.com http://also.as/cwhii http://JulianLocals.com>   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 04:12:18 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items- Message-ID: <87lmr9yqfx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ) Jim Melhhop <mehlhop@mehlhop.org> writes:p  C > >Were there clusters 18 years ago?? (Really, this is a legitimatem
 > >question.)   I > I remember supporting clusters I think, in 83 so that should be correct   @ Near enough the first apearance of clusters was the end of 83 at0 Fall DECUS. Don't think it even had a V4 number.  C I was told in Jan '85 by DEC that the pair of 750s John Jackson andgD I had clustered where the first in Europe. I would have thought CERN) or the city would have been well ahead...i     -- r< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 16:22:51 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items3 Message-ID: <5Z3x4lWwKS+V@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <96ehvm$2g8$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > " > When did this become a cluster??  A I heard it both ways, now.  I believe it either way but I do wish 0 someone there would make a definitive statement.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupeE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingU   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:35:28 -0500o# From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com>.& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items' Message-ID: <3A8B4E80.33B6@adldata.com>t   Dan : From the vms newsgroup, I just had to share this with you. soll   JF Mezei wrote:  > 8 > You want promotional items that people will remember ? > O > Some high quality condoms with the "VMS" logo imprinted on the condom as well, > as the caption: & >         "always up when you need it"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:38:13 -0500a# From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com>h& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items' Message-ID: <3A8B4F25.4905@adldata.com>r  . The Microvax II did not have any blinkin light solI  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > L > Nice idea ... a miniature of the cutest Microvax II    to put in my desk ! > ! !e > With blinkining lights ! ! > 	 > Regardso >  > FC > G > koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) em 14/02/2001 15:57:19e >  >       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comw > ( > Assunto: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items > I > In article <hshubs-F13DD5.23451913022001@news.mindspring.com>, Howard Ss' > Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> writes:s > >e > > A VMS calendar,l& > >    ...with images of the VMS team?D > >    ...how 'bout with pictures of different CPUs and peripherals?& > >    ...a VMS-trivia-a-day calendar! >   > You want your own VAXbar, too? > H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationa? > NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupnG >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:05:42 -0500s1 From: "Forster, Michael " <MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG>s> Subject: RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer formP Message-ID: <709CDBE6CA13D311B4DF0008C7EAD0C604443927@phsexch13.mgh.harvard.edu>  K I've listed the SHOW/QUE and the MultiNet config. I don't think we're using ; any library, or is there a default if we don't specify one?a  & 	HARPO::FORSTER>sho queue/full lta9758E 	Printer queue LTA9758, idle, on HARPO::NLP753:, mounted form DEFAULTi: 	  /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) Lowercase /OWNER=[1,4]D 	  /PROCESSOR=MULTINET_STREAM_SYMBIONT /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)! 	HARPO::FORSTER>multi confi/printp7 	MultiNet Remote Printer Configuration Utility V4.1(25)iC 	[Reading in configuration from MULTINET:REMOTE-PRINTER-QUEUES.COM]F 	PRINTER-CONFIG>show lta9758C 	Queue Name                   IP Destination      Remote Queue NameOC 	----------                   ---------------     -----------------t? 	LTA9758                      147.173.46.232      TCP port 910005 	        Telnet Options Processing will be suppresseda 	PRINTER-CONFIG> 	PRINTER-CONFIG>exit2 	[Configuration not modified, so no update needed]  G In your steps, my_module.txt would be the file with the PCL codes, I'll-F create a new library, stop the queue, * Then I'd link the queue to the( library, then start the queue - correct?  L One thing - not everything going to the queue should use the PCL codes, justK certain jobs. Can the library be specified at time of printing via choosing J the correct form if I link a special form to this library? Am I correct in- thinking I can link the library to a form via   DEFINE/FORM/PAGE_SETUP=(module)?  # Thanks - I do appreciate your time.g   mi   > -----Original Message-----' > From:	briggs@eisner.encompasserve.org.( > [SMTP:briggs@eisner.encompasserve.org]- > Sent:	Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:19 PMe > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come@ > Subject:	RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form >  > In articleG > <709CDBE6CA13D311B4DF0008C7EAD0C604443923@phsexch13.mgh.harvard.edu>,o5 > "Forster, Michael " <MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG> writes: E > > What's the best way for me to quickly learn how to create library  > objects? Would9 > > the Compaq website be a good start or do you have anyw > pointers/cheatsheet? > > J > > One PCL string example of what I have to pass to the printer is (In my
 > example,L > > *27 indicates the <ESC>, don't know what the library control uses as the > code):A > > 		*27,"&l0L",*27,"&l6D",*27,"&l0E",*27,"&l125Z",*27,"&l-233U"s > H > First, you need to figure out what device control library your printer > is currently using.h >  > For instance:c >  > $ show queue /fu rmt_129G > Printer queue RMT_129, idle, on ALPHA::NLP42:, mounted form LANDSCAPEe >  (stock=DEFAULT)% >   <LPD queue on 149.32.33.203 text>iD >   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=LANDSCAPE (stock=DEFAULT)) 3 >   /LIBRARY=PCL5_DEVCTL Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM] r >            ^^^^^^^^^^^B >   /PROCESSOR=MULTINET_LPD_SYMBIONT /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) > $  >  > Or >  > $ multi conf /printers8 > MultiNet Remote Printer Configuration Utility V4.3(25)D > [Reading in configuration from MULTINET:REMOTE-PRINTER-QUEUES.COM] > PRINTER-CONFIG>show rmt_129oI > Queue Name                   Destination                   Remote Queues > Name. > ----------                   --------------- > -----------------o) >         Spool Device will be set /NOTABtA > RMT_129                      149.32.33.203                 textt > " >         Default Form = LANDSCAPE/ >         Remote Banner Page will be suppressed . >         Device Control Library = PCL5_DEVCTL. >                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^ > I > Device control libraries exist in SYS$LIBRARY: and have an extension ofl > .TLB > $ > $ dir sys$library:pcl5_devctl.tlb  >  > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]> > * > PCL5_DEVCTL.TLB;14  PCL5_DEVCTL.TLB;13   >  > Total of 2 files.  > $  > I > As long as you have queues running that make use of a particular deviceyD > control library, the symbionts that run those queues will keep theG > library open.  You can't modify modules in an open library.  So, what  > you need to do is: > < > 1.  Create a text file with the escape sequences you want.> > 2.  Copy the in-use device control library to a new version.= > 3.  Update the device control library with your new module.P) > 4.  Stop and restart the print queue(s)d >  > $ EDIT my_module.txtG > (one assumes that you can insert literal escape sequences into a text'' >  file using the editor of your choice-@ > $ LIBRARY /INSERT /TEXT SYS$LIBRARY:my_library my_module.txt -" >           /MODULE=my_module_nameA >   (or $ LIBRARY /REPLACE if you're updating an existing module)e< > $ COPY SYS$LIBRARY:my_library.TLB SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB] /LOG > $ STOP /NEXT my_queueA" > $ ... wait for queue to stop ... > $ START /QUEUE my_queuef > H > I think that the Multinet print symbionts are single-threaded.  So youJ > just have to stop and start the queue you are interested in.  Some printI > symbionts are multi-threaded and you will need to stop all print queuessJ > that use a particular symbiont process before that symbiont process will > terminate. > C > Note the target file specification is SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB] and not F > SYS$LIBRARY.  If you understand why, that's great.  If you don't, we0 > can discuss the reasons in a different thread. > I > Check out $ HELP LIBRARY and $ LIBRARY /LIST for more information about: > libraries under VMS. >  > 	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:44:13 GMTe8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>D Subject: Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100' Message-ID: <3A8AC675.AB17B9E@decus.fi>   < What is value of SYSGEN parameter RECNXINTERVAL? Is it same 6 on both nodes? Maybe your DBA allocated too large SGA?   _veli    "Dale A. Marcy" wrote: >  > Group, > K >      I have an AlphaServer 4100 running VMS V7.2-1 clustered with anotheriM > AlphaServer 4100 running VMS V7.1.  We are using a Quorum disk.  Our OracleiP > DBA has been trying to set up ORACLE 8.1.6 on the VMS V7.2-1 system.  Since heM > has started working on it, after he starts up Oracle, the system drops fromrO > the cluster.  A show cluster on the other system shows it in BRK_NON state (I L > think this is the correct state, but it is from memory, so it might be offO > slightly).  If the system is left alone, it will stay in this state for about O > an hour.  Then it will crash and reboot.  Looking at the crash dump, it gives 
 > the reason:  > . > CLUEXIT, Node voluntarily exiting VMScluster > K >      Oracle is started up in 3 parts at our site, so we started each partnO > individually to try and determine what part was causing the crash.  The three0J > parts correspond roughly to Installing the Images, Starting the ListenerK > Process, and Starting the Database Process.  When we started them in that N > order this afternoon, it waited until the third part was completed before itM > went away.  It is not immediate, so we left about an hour between each part"O > and it went away about 15 minutes after the last part was started.  Tomorrow,-M > I want to try and swap the order of the second and third parts to see if itcJ > requires all three parts be completed or if it is truly the Starting the) > Database Process that causes the crash.a > M >      Does any of this sound familiar to someone who could give me a pointer J > where to look to correct this problem?  If more information is required,2 > please let me know and I will try to provide it. > 	 > Thanks,0 >  > Dale A. Marcyf0 > Science Applications International Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:53:21 -0500e' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov> D Subject: Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100+ Message-ID: <3A8AE231.1D1C6C2F@y12.doe.gov>P  J      Our Oracle DBA has indicated that he has found trace files that mightN help with Oracle Support determining the problem.  He says that he found otherJ error reports at the Oracle website with similar, but not exactly the sameL type crashes.  I was able to see that there were 2 Oracle process performingM excessive BIO prior to the dropping from the cluster.  The processes were the2J LMON and the LMDO with BIO at 400 for each of them (obtained using MonitorK Process/TopBIO).  The processes dropped and then within a minute the systemiM dropped from the cluster.  The system did seem to respond after the processes@N dropped for a short while.  I will wait to see what he learns from Oracle.  HeN also mentioned that 8.1.7 is supposed to be out now, so we may end up going to that version instead.a  H      Thanks for the assistance.  I will post what we learn (if we get an answer).  
 Dale A. Marcy 5 Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)r   Alan Greig wrote:t > G > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:01:23 -0500, "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov>s > wrote: > 	 > >Group,e > >fL > >     I have an AlphaServer 4100 running VMS V7.2-1 clustered with anotherN > >AlphaServer 4100 running VMS V7.1.  We are using a Quorum disk.  Our OracleQ > >DBA has been trying to set up ORACLE 8.1.6 on the VMS V7.2-1 system.  Since heoN > >has started working on it, after he starts up Oracle, the system drops fromP > >the cluster.  A show cluster on the other system shows it in BRK_NON state (IM > >think this is the correct state, but it is from memory, so it might be off/P > >slightly).  If the system is left alone, it will stay in this state for aboutP > >an hour.  Then it will crash and reboot.  Looking at the crash dump, it gives > >the reason: > > / > >CLUEXIT, Node voluntarily exiting VMSclusterr > F > What's happening here is that sysgen param recnxinterval is exceededF > without any communication from other cluster nodes and the node thenF > exits the cluster.  Could Oracle be shutting down a critical networkH > interface? Do you have any messages from OPCOM or  CNXMAN prior to the > crash? > L > >     Oracle is started up in 3 parts at our site, so we started each partP > >individually to try and determine what part was causing the crash.  The threeK > >parts correspond roughly to Installing the Images, Starting the ListenerrL > >Process, and Starting the Database Process.  When we started them in thatO > >order this afternoon, it waited until the third part was completed before itgN > >went away.  It is not immediate, so we left about an hour between each partP > >and it went away about 15 minutes after the last part was started.  Tomorrow,N > >I want to try and swap the order of the second and third parts to see if itK > >requires all three parts be completed or if it is truly the Starting theS* > >Database Process that causes the crash. > >uN > >     Does any of this sound familiar to someone who could give me a pointerK > >where to look to correct this problem?  If more information is required, 3 > >please let me know and I will try to provide it.v > >s
 > >Thanks, > >  > >Dale A. Marcy1 > >Science Applications International Corporationk >  > -- > Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:24:44 -0500n' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov>aD Subject: Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100+ Message-ID: <3A8AE98C.CD650057@y12.doe.gov>0  K We are running MultiNet V4.0-B currently.  Will probably upgrade to V4.3 ino the not too distant future.9  
 Dale A. MarcyO5 Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)i   Jim Melhhop wrote: > 7 > Are you running TCPIP for VMS or Multinet or TCPware?e >  > Rowell, Bradley wrote: > >VF > > Make sure you have all the latest patches on VMS for Oracle 8.1.6, > > especially:f > >t > > VMS721_ACRTL-V0200 > > TCPIPALP_E01A50h > >hA > > I have found no problem starting the listener before or afterhA > > the database startup.  We have several Oracle 8.1.6 databasesc@ > > running on a very similar configuration.  However all of our > > nodes are 7.2-1. > >u* > > -------------------------------------- > > Bradley G. Rowella( > > Montana Department of Transportation > > 2701 Prospect Avenue > > PO Box 201001- > > Helena, MT  59620-1001 > > (406) 444-7263  > > smtpmail@browell@state.mt.us+ > > ---------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:28:18 -0500r' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov>jD Subject: Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100+ Message-ID: <3A8AEA61.2E7EEAB5@y12.doe.gov>   L RECNXINTERVAL is set to 20 on both nodes.  I will have to check with our DBA tomorrow about the SGA.i  
 Dale A. Marcy!5 Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)e   Veli Krkk wrote: > = > What is value of SYSGEN parameter RECNXINTERVAL? Is it same-8 > on both nodes? Maybe your DBA allocated too large SGA? >  > _velii >  > "Dale A. Marcy" wrote: > >R
 > > Group, > >iM > >      I have an AlphaServer 4100 running VMS V7.2-1 clustered with anotherhO > > AlphaServer 4100 running VMS V7.1.  We are using a Quorum disk.  Our OraclesR > > DBA has been trying to set up ORACLE 8.1.6 on the VMS V7.2-1 system.  Since heO > > has started working on it, after he starts up Oracle, the system drops fromnQ > > the cluster.  A show cluster on the other system shows it in BRK_NON state (I8N > > think this is the correct state, but it is from memory, so it might be offQ > > slightly).  If the system is left alone, it will stay in this state for about Q > > an hour.  Then it will crash and reboot.  Looking at the crash dump, it gives5 > > the reason:  > > 0 > > CLUEXIT, Node voluntarily exiting VMScluster > > M > >      Oracle is started up in 3 parts at our site, so we started each part Q > > individually to try and determine what part was causing the crash.  The three@L > > parts correspond roughly to Installing the Images, Starting the ListenerM > > Process, and Starting the Database Process.  When we started them in that8P > > order this afternoon, it waited until the third part was completed before itO > > went away.  It is not immediate, so we left about an hour between each parteQ > > and it went away about 15 minutes after the last part was started.  Tomorrow,-O > > I want to try and swap the order of the second and third parts to see if it L > > requires all three parts be completed or if it is truly the Starting the+ > > Database Process that causes the crash.  > > O > >      Does any of this sound familiar to someone who could give me a pointer-L > > where to look to correct this problem?  If more information is required,4 > > please let me know and I will try to provide it. > >3 > > Thanks,a > >a > > Dale A. Marcym2 > > Science Applications International Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:38:50 -0500w' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov>oD Subject: Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100+ Message-ID: <3A8AECDA.EDC25FC0@y12.doe.gov>i  L I have not applied the VMS721_ACRTL-V0200 patch yet.  We are using Multinet,M so the other patch would not apply.  I also forgot to mention, but we startedeN the Database without starting the Listener at all and received the same crash.  
 Dale A. Marcy 5 Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)i   "Rowell, Bradley" wrote: > D > Make sure you have all the latest patches on VMS for Oracle 8.1.6,
 > especially:a >  > VMS721_ACRTL-V0200 > TCPIPALP_E01A50s > ? > I have found no problem starting the listener before or afterM? > the database startup.  We have several Oracle 8.1.6 databases > > running on a very similar configuration.  However all of our > nodes are 7.2-1. > ( > -------------------------------------- > Bradley G. Rowell.& > Montana Department of Transportation > 2701 Prospect Avenue > PO Box 201001U > Helena, MT  59620-1001 > (406) 444-7263 > smtpmail@browell@state.mt.us) > ----------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:45:33 -0400 ' From: Jim Melhhop <mehlhop@mehlhop.org>tD Subject: Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100+ Message-ID: <3A8A8BFD.77E13C2F@mehlhop.org>r  ? You need MN4.2 with ECO's or MN4.3 with eco's for 8.1.6 to worka correctly.    + That takes the place of the tcpipalp_e01a50      MN4.3  plusEU ftp://ftp.multinet.process.com/patches/multinet043/ucx_library_emulation-020_a043.zip7 andEE ftp://ftp.multinet.process.com/patches/multinet043/ucxdriver-020_a043s     Dale A. Marcy wrote: > L >      Our Oracle DBA has indicated that he has found trace files that mightP > help with Oracle Support determining the problem.  He says that he found otherL > error reports at the Oracle website with similar, but not exactly the sameN > type crashes.  I was able to see that there were 2 Oracle process performingO > excessive BIO prior to the dropping from the cluster.  The processes were thelL > LMON and the LMDO with BIO at 400 for each of them (obtained using MonitorM > Process/TopBIO).  The processes dropped and then within a minute the systemeO > dropped from the cluster.  The system did seem to respond after the processes P > dropped for a short while.  I will wait to see what he learns from Oracle.  HeP > also mentioned that 8.1.7 is supposed to be out now, so we may end up going to > that version instead.I > J >      Thanks for the assistance.  I will post what we learn (if we get an
 > answer). >  > Dale A. Marcyd7 > Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)a >  > Alan Greig wrote:n > >lI > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:01:23 -0500, "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov> 
 > > wrote: > >g > > >Group,u > > >uN > > >     I have an AlphaServer 4100 running VMS V7.2-1 clustered with anotherP > > >AlphaServer 4100 running VMS V7.1.  We are using a Quorum disk.  Our OracleS > > >DBA has been trying to set up ORACLE 8.1.6 on the VMS V7.2-1 system.  Since heSP > > >has started working on it, after he starts up Oracle, the system drops fromR > > >the cluster.  A show cluster on the other system shows it in BRK_NON state (IO > > >think this is the correct state, but it is from memory, so it might be offiR > > >slightly).  If the system is left alone, it will stay in this state for aboutR > > >an hour.  Then it will crash and reboot.  Looking at the crash dump, it gives > > >the reason: > > >S1 > > >CLUEXIT, Node voluntarily exiting VMScluster  > >eH > > What's happening here is that sysgen param recnxinterval is exceededH > > without any communication from other cluster nodes and the node thenH > > exits the cluster.  Could Oracle be shutting down a critical networkJ > > interface? Do you have any messages from OPCOM or  CNXMAN prior to the
 > > crash? > > N > > >     Oracle is started up in 3 parts at our site, so we started each partR > > >individually to try and determine what part was causing the crash.  The threeM > > >parts correspond roughly to Installing the Images, Starting the Listener N > > >Process, and Starting the Database Process.  When we started them in thatQ > > >order this afternoon, it waited until the third part was completed before itMP > > >went away.  It is not immediate, so we left about an hour between each partR > > >and it went away about 15 minutes after the last part was started.  Tomorrow,P > > >I want to try and swap the order of the second and third parts to see if itM > > >requires all three parts be completed or if it is truly the Starting theO, > > >Database Process that causes the crash. > > >oP > > >     Does any of this sound familiar to someone who could give me a pointerM > > >where to look to correct this problem?  If more information is required, 5 > > >please let me know and I will try to provide it.  > > >  > > >Thanks, > > >  > > >Dale A. Marcy3 > > >Science Applications International Corporationo > >n > > -- > > Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:55:39 -0400 ' From: Jim Melhhop <mehlhop@mehlhop.org>iD Subject: Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100+ Message-ID: <3A8A8E5B.244F6C4B@mehlhop.org>l   Dale A. Marcy wrote: > 7 > I have not applied the VMS721_ACRTL-V0200 patch yet. 3  ; You will need that. along with the multinet 4.3 and patchesu   > We are using Multinet,O > so the other patch would not apply.  I also forgot to mention, but we startedlP > the Database without starting the Listener at all and received the same crash. >  > Dale A. Marcyi7 > Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)s >u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:33:53 +0000.% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>hD Subject: Re: Problems setting up Oracle 8.1.6 on an AlphaServer 4100* Message-ID: <3A8B07D1.138898E1@virgin.net>   "Dale A. Marcy" wrote:  N > RECNXINTERVAL is set to 20 on both nodes.  I will have to check with our DBA > tomorrow about the SGA.l >a  S You might want to try sticking this up to 60 to allow 60 secs with no cluster commsoO rather than 20.  Disadvantage is that other cluster nodes will hang for 60 secsNG waiting to see if it comes back. Possible trade-off until a proper fix..   >  > Dale A. Marcy_7 > Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)r >i > Veli Krkk wrote: > >u? > > What is value of SYSGEN parameter RECNXINTERVAL? Is it samep: > > on both nodes? Maybe your DBA allocated too large SGA? > >l	 > > _velie > >  > > "Dale A. Marcy" wrote: > > >e > > > Group, > > >nO > > >      I have an AlphaServer 4100 running VMS V7.2-1 clustered with anotherMQ > > > AlphaServer 4100 running VMS V7.1.  We are using a Quorum disk.  Our OracledT > > > DBA has been trying to set up ORACLE 8.1.6 on the VMS V7.2-1 system.  Since heQ > > > has started working on it, after he starts up Oracle, the system drops from S > > > the cluster.  A show cluster on the other system shows it in BRK_NON state (IeP > > > think this is the correct state, but it is from memory, so it might be offS > > > slightly).  If the system is left alone, it will stay in this state for aboutiS > > > an hour.  Then it will crash and reboot.  Looking at the crash dump, it givesy > > > the reason:e > > >a2 > > > CLUEXIT, Node voluntarily exiting VMScluster > > > O > > >      Oracle is started up in 3 parts at our site, so we started each part S > > > individually to try and determine what part was causing the crash.  The three N > > > parts correspond roughly to Installing the Images, Starting the ListenerO > > > Process, and Starting the Database Process.  When we started them in that R > > > order this afternoon, it waited until the third part was completed before itQ > > > went away.  It is not immediate, so we left about an hour between each part S > > > and it went away about 15 minutes after the last part was started.  Tomorrow,iQ > > > I want to try and swap the order of the second and third parts to see if it N > > > requires all three parts be completed or if it is truly the Starting the- > > > Database Process that causes the crash.n > > >iQ > > >      Does any of this sound familiar to someone who could give me a pointer N > > > where to look to correct this problem?  If more information is required,6 > > > please let me know and I will try to provide it. > > > 
 > > > Thanks,a > > >n > > > Dale A. Marcy 4 > > > Science Applications International Corporation   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:35:09 -0500u+ From: "Andrew Robert" <arobert@townisp.com>w' Subject: Question regarding Ghostscript / Message-ID: <t8lnfpj2cbp705@corp.supernews.com>r   Hi Everyone,  B I just installed the Alpha OpenVMS version of the PCSI Ghostscript application.   The install went perfect.n@ I set the logicals and defined a symbol to reference GS.EXE_AXP.  9 The problem is in how I should use the ps2pdf converters.   F The scripts I found in [.gs.bin] seem to be written for windows batch.  0 Anyone have any ideas on how to get around this?  F I am working to automate conversion of the PSDC postscript data to pdf* format so I can web post performance data.  & Any help would be greatly appreciated.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:09:07 -07003$ From: Nelson  <ningersoll@atmel.com>6 Subject: RCS 5.7 under Alpha OpenVMS 7.2-1 - It lives!8 Message-ID: <k56m8tk6efbpg6nmgjmbnsbhr45abc2576@4ax.com>   FYI -   ?    I have a more or less functioning copy of RCS 5.7 working onlF OpenVMS if anyone's interested.  I even got it to compile CC/DECC with DEC C v6.2.l  D    I believe it is stable enough to use.  We're going to be using itE soon enough.  I'm going to look for a home to put it once I can get ahE reasonable difference file between my slightly hacked version and theeD latest GNU version.  If you're interested I'd be delighted to figureC out how to post a copy in a ZIP file.  Looks like it will be around 6 600KB in size.  More with the GNU diff utils included.  @    It's a little rough around the edges but I'm working on that.   - Nelson ... ningersoll@atmel.com   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 18:47:34 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)c- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profitsn+ Message-ID: <96ejs6$4d9$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>0  3 In article <IZI0Ws3SCqJ+@eisner.encompasserve.org>,:7  koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:0c |> In article <96bqf9$eun$1@phunn2.um.us.sbphrd.com>, "shielm00" <Mike_Shield-1@sbphrd.com> writes:r |> > .K |> > Of course, on the other hand, the new Alpha based Cray's will be Linux ( |> > boxes, so that may even things out. |> > |> e: |> Cray is going back to Alpha?  When?  Did SGI sell Cray?  = I could be mistaken as I don't really follow it much anymore,I> but didn't Sun buy Cray from SGI??  I thought I even saw that 7 during the early runs of discussing Sun's Ebay problem.o   bill   -- yJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:09:33 -0500n% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>r- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profitse$ Message-ID: <3a8ae500$1@news.si.com>  @ >So, did everyone else here get their Compaq OpenVMS umbrella to% >go with the flashing rubber ball??  t  7 I've received neither.  Bummer.  I need a new umbrella.t -- cA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comlA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.come= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 21:49:53 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profitsr, Message-ID: <96eui1$bh5@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  h In article <wR9WRKgSop22@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:b >In article <969tt0$fjh@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: >  >> pJ >> This has been coming for a long time.  But it is truly ironic that the F >> final factor that drove the decision to migrate off VMS was not theN >> technical limitations of the product but rather the actions and (in)actionsL >> of Compaq's own management. And I want to make this point utterly clear -J >> Tru64 will not be where we are going because I'm just not going to dealL >> with products any more whose future is controlled by Compaq management. IK >> don't believe their goals are consistent with mine, I don't believe theyiN >> are competent, and frankly, I just don't believe much of anything they say.M >> I intend never to buy another Compaq product again, of any type, if I have ! >> any say in the matter at all.   >> : > B >	Gee, shed a tear for those poor "suckers" at Pittsburgh ComputerB >	Center, European Computer Centre, Los Alamos , Sandia and Celera@ >	that are "stupidly" investing quite a bit in Tru64.  Maybe you? >	should drop them an email and point out the HUGE mistake theyl >	are making...c  F They are national labs and can afford to buy whatever they want.  TheyD write virtually all their own software so that the lack of supportedG applications is of little significance. They get (much) better deals onoG their massive purchases than I do on my little ones.  I'm sure they get4L better customer service as well.   Basically there is very little in common / between their segment of the market and mine.  e  I These are all pure floating point performance wins. Compaq has an Itanium K system available for test drive.  For the very simple tests I ran it was as-H fast or faster than the Alphas I tried. (Note, this is not windows code,J this is just unixy C code.) Compaq will not port Tru64 to Itanium.  CompaqH is starting to make a lot of noise about Itanium systems and they aren'tI saying "our Alpha will wipe the floor with them!" Intel knows how to masstK market microprocessors and Compaq clearly does not.  There is a significantiJ probability that Itanium will seize both the mass Unix market AND the highG performance Unix market. (And if they don't AMD is waiting in the wingseI with their 64 bit CPU). If/when the Alpha becomes number 2 in performance K this entire category of Alpha sales will evaporate.  Ask Sun, they dominate H in other market sectors but don't do very well in this one because their" chips are a bit behind the curve.      David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu(? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech oJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:22:23 +0100r. From: Roger@natron.demon.co.uk (Roger Barnett)# Subject: Re: Terry Knows Compaq :-)p- Message-ID: <264368981wnr@natron.demon.co.uk>t  S In article: <96d7an$fl3$1@pyrite.mv.net>  "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:S >  >[snip] N > The point is that here we sit 18 months after Alpha/NT was axed, and *still*I > no 64-bit Win2K.  18 months ago 64-bit Win2K was at about the same Beta L > status as 32-bit Win2K, which might lead one to believe that it could haveK > shipped about a year ago, along with 32-bit Win2K, which would have givenrH > 64-bit Win2K on Alpha over a year's lead on Unobtainium in the *64-bitI > server* space, where, unlike the case when running 32-bit applications,a    G This presupposes that Microsoft would have allowed 64-bit Win2k to ship  on Alpha only. No way.   -- i
 Roger Barnett-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:53:33 -0500e' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> # Subject: Re: Terry Knows Compaq :-) ( Message-ID: <96fn2s$r0v$1@pyrite.mv.net>  9 Roger Barnett <Roger@natron.demon.co.uk> wrote in message-' news:264368981wnr@natron.demon.co.uk...07 > In article: <96d7an$fl3$1@pyrite.mv.net>  "Bill Todd"R <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:. > >n	 > >[snip]rH > > The point is that here we sit 18 months after Alpha/NT was axed, and *still*SK > > no 64-bit Win2K.  18 months ago 64-bit Win2K was at about the same BetanI > > status as 32-bit Win2K, which might lead one to believe that it coulds haveG > > shipped about a year ago, along with 32-bit Win2K, which would havee givenlJ > > 64-bit Win2K on Alpha over a year's lead on Unobtainium in the *64-bitK > > server* space, where, unlike the case when running 32-bit applications,i >y > I > This presupposes that Microsoft would have allowed 64-bit Win2k to ship  > on Alpha only. No way.  J And your authoritative source for that is...?  Given MS's intense interestJ in the enterprise market, and Itanium's lack of progress in getting there,J having a 64-bit Windows offering (and on a hardware platform with a betterK pedigree than their current ones) would have been in their interest as well1I as Compaq's.  There was speculation at the time that MS might be draggingmG its feet in the hope that IA64 would appear Real Soon, but it's equally-K possible that they were simply trying to focus on keeping 32-bit Win2K frompL becoming any later than it already was - and in any case would have found itG pretty embarassing to have kept 64-bit Win2K in Beta for two more yearst waiting for Godot.   - bill   >. > -- > Roger Barnett  >  >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:41:34 -0700n  From: Jon <jsmyth69@hotmail.com>+ Subject: Re: Text graphing program for VMS?t2 Message-ID: <lheLOoaVVM7W79PsE3vbsP4H7BoO@4ax.com>  ' Thanks!  That'd be greatly appreciated!      rmegee@tqtx.com wrote:   >Hmmm,G >  I've got a c program that takes a file of values and creates a registH >graph.  It was part of an spc effort I had done.  if your interested inF >it let me know And I'll send you the source code.  (written in VAX C) >w >Roberto >> t >> Hi, >> eH >>   Are there any programs out there that take comma delimited file andF >> generate a text graph ?   Thanks!   (Something GNU would be great!) >>   >> o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:25:13 -0600n1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>t Subject: Re: ucx 4.2 vs 5.0e8 Message-ID: <96epjm$djv$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  F We went to 5.0A eco 1 about 2 weeks ago on a DS20E cluster running VMS 7.2-1.  No problems.   Dave...u  : "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message# news:3A8A8A9D.39D4E622@bbc.co.uk...I >l >o > Arne Vajhj wrote: >e > > Terry Marosites wrote:E > > >   I just downloaded apache and found that I have to run it with  "TCP/IPGI > > > Services for OpenVMS Version 5.0A or higher".  I am running Digital  TCP/IPK > > > Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 4 on a AlphaServer DS20S 500 I > > > MHz running OpenVMS V7.1-2  How hard is it to migrate from 4.2 to 5n and whatL > > > is the Highest version recommended by the info-vax group. and what can IA% > > > expect to break in the upgrade?n > >SI > > An upgrade to 5.0A ECO1 should be a relative simple task. I would notp
 > > hesitate.e > >t > K > We had one or two application issues, not serious, but not totally hasslet free.t >cG > If you have scripts that use PING eg for diagnostic use then they may  break. >tJ > System housekeeping scripts will probably need updataing with the change from5 > UCX$ to TCPIP$ in the names of logging directories.s >  >t@ > > To get more info about what to look out for you will need toB > > supply more info about what TCP/IP services & applications you > > are using. > >  > > Arne >o > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukC >AC > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  > MedAS or the BBC.  >s >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:27:24 GMTg From: "Fatz" <fatz@fatz.com> Subject: Re: VMS humor> Message-ID: <MnFi6.267972$w35.44613332@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>  G > I just stumbled over another example of humor built into VMS (which Ir@ > really enjoy). Thought I'd share it, because it's well-hidden.  H Reminds me.  The other day, the mailwoman came up to me and asked if I'dC seen my neighbour recently.  "Why?",  I asked.  She replied that mya neighbour's mailbox was full.   I My first thought was to suggest checking DEFMBXBUFQUO but I decided to go - with, "No, but I'll mention it if I see her."f  - Ever feel like you've been with VMS too long?c   Fatz.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:56:45 -0700o% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>e Subject: Re: VMS humorA Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010214175551.00a76c98@ntbsod.psccos.com>k  " At 05:27 PM 2/14/2001, Fatz wrote:I > > I just stumbled over another example of humor built into VMS (which InB > > really enjoy). Thought I'd share it, because it's well-hidden. >-I >Reminds me.  The other day, the mailwoman came up to me and asked if I'dhD >seen my neighbour recently.  "Why?",  I asked.  She replied that my >neighbour's mailbox was full. >8J >My first thought was to suggest checking DEFMBXBUFQUO but I decided to go. >with, "No, but I'll mention it if I see her." >n. >Ever feel like you've been with VMS too long?  I No, but I remember being vaguely surprised when the speedometer in my car F went from 77777 to 77778 and not 100000, back in the days when I was a PDP-11 expert!     ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+lI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       | I | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |RI | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |8I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |sI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:56:00 -0600s* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: VMS Umbrella - Message-ID: <0033000016243367000002L072*@MHS>o  H =0AI'll go for that if we could order authentic football jerseys from t= he VMS portal....   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETu* Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 1:19 PM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: VMS Umbrella     H Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street = Plaza     H Perhaps if my beloved Coventry City escape the relegation trapdoor agai= n thisH season, Compaq might be willing to cough up for some shirt sponsorship.=  OpenVMSH emblazoned across the shirt with the logo would be good, and having the=  OS 5 associated with a team that never goes down either...e   ;^Dy   Steve Spires  H [For those who don't know, Coventry City have never been relegated from=  the top flight in British football]r        A Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> on 14/02/2001 03:56:13 PMt    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)hH From:      Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>, 14 February 2001, 3= :56 p.m.   Re: VMS Umbrella            ! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:   H > Actually, I had gotten from Field Service long, long ago a D|I|G|I|T|= A|Lr kazoo,H > which I presented to my sister.  She has often used it in folk music =	 workshops  > whereoH > she "claims" to have a digital kazoo, then holds it up.  Imagine the = exposure
 > over theH > years!  Unfortunely, the print has worn almost off through handling, = and It guess 	 > we willhH > never see a replacement, alas.  Somehow an OpenVMS kazoo is not the r= ight note.u >n1 > wwebb1@email.usps.gov on 02/14/2001 10:05:40 AMo  H OK, if Rich can find the budget for a PRS Custom 24 with VMS fretmarker= s InH promise to use it all the time. Slightly more expensive thana  kazzoo, = though.r   :-) :-) :-)p --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:52:04 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: RE: VMS UmbrellaaH Message-ID: <OF1C9D5762.FBF8E807-ON802569F3.006CF0AA@qedi.quintiles.com>  K Why have football when you could have Swindon Phoenix Ice Hockey team beingc sponsored by Compaq?$ "OpenVMS - The Phoenix of Computing"H "OpenVMS - Tough enough to compete with Champions"  (Swindon Phoenix are ELPD Champions this year)    William Webb commented:cI >>>I'll go for that if we could order authentic football jerseys from theo VMS portal....<<<X   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:15:24 -0500 / From: "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>o Subject: RE: VT-510nI Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB419@rlghncst625.usps.gov>c  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C096BA.7B2BDED0e Content-Type: text/plain;m 	charset="iso-8859-1"t   Checked your link.  Ha. Ha.r  4 Is the interface on it SCSI, DSSI, or Fibre Channel?   Correct place to go is  + http://www.boundless.com/Text_Terminals/VT/f     -----Original Message-----0 From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET * Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 1:27 PM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: VT-510o     Click   & http://www.tvmt.co.uk/tvmtvt510515.htm       Fabio C.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C096BA.7B2BDED0t Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"I+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablee  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">t <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2653.12">  <TITLE>RE: VT-510</TITLE>- </HEAD>e <BODY>  9 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Checked your link.&nbsp; Ha. Ha.</FONT>s </P>  ? <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Is the interface on it SCSI, DSSI, or Fibre =e Channel?</FONT>. </P>  / <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Correct place to go is</FONT>v </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =6 HREF=3D"http://www.boundless.com/Text_Terminals/VT/" =I TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.boundless.com/Text_Terminals/VT/</A></FONT>=t   </P> <BR>  3 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>CD <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET = </FONT>CD <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 1:27 PM</FONT>B <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at = INTERNET</FONT>?) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: VT-510</FONT>r </P> <BR>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Click</FONT> </P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2><A HREF=3D"http://www.tvmt.co.uk/tvmtvt510515.htm" =C TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.tvmt.co.uk/tvmtvt510515.htm</A></FONT>r </P> <BR> <BR>  ! <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Fabio C.</FONT>v </P>   </BODY># </HTML>s) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C096BA.7B2BDED0---   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:35:22 GMTn From: EM <nospam@home.com>> Subject: Was: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?( Message-ID: <3A8B241A.9D97F73B@home.com>   Hi,h  M You might not like what you find when you get CMS running for this particularcE situation. My comments refer to CMS before version 4 and a particular N implementation, so hopefully I can be ignored. Please correct me if I'm out ofP date or it was a screwy environment, but my experience with Oracle Forms on a pc & CMS on VMS was not positive.  Q CMS can't (couldn't ?)  handle binaries. Oracle forms and reports are effectivelysJ binaries (fmb). I had to put up with converting Oracle forms to their textM equivalent (fmt) in order to put them into CMS. Extracting them also required:O converting from textual form (fmt) to the binary (fmb) before you can open them P in Developer. The sneaky thing is that forms with libraries and referenced formsQ can be completely destroyed in the process of converting from text to binary formxQ if the pieces aren't available in the database or Windows search path. You shouldo? see a DBA sweat when hundreds of forms get mangled this way....d  Q The CMS Windows client may alleviate this, but we did not have a clean connectiondJ between VMS & the pc, so we were transfering stuff via an nfs mount (pc toP network drive on NT server that had a VMS disk nfs mounted as a shared NT disk.)O The nfs link caused name mangling with it's upper case to lower case transition G etc. (ie imposes a $ in the name whenever a transition occurs. Bizarre)i  O The form (fmb) can be revised very slightly, but this may cause existing pieces Q to become re-ordered so the version control mechanism (ie diff or equivalent) can N become very confused. Rebuilding a previous version may be impossible. I can'tJ see where PVCS can be any better than CMS in this regard. (why bother with& version control?? - auditors I guess.)  P Take a GOOD look before you settle on CMS for this particular situation.. HavingP been there, I can't recommend it. I'm a VMS bigot, but this Oracle Forms on a pcI - CMS on VMS stuff was not a good thing. Again, it may have been a screwy N environment so check it out, but look closely. (CMS for regular stuff is great though, so do look...)   EM   no.spam@columbus.rr.com wrote:  H > Is there anyway to obtain a hobbyist version of CMS (v4.0 or v4.1) for	 > Alphas?e >eG > I've looked everywhere and cannot seem to find where to order it from  > DECUS. >eK > At my work, we are looking at using CMS. However, I need to convince themoK > it is worth getting. We do Oracle development on Alphas and store all oure5 > SQL scripts, DCL scripts, Forms and Reports on VMS.t >dI > However, they are pushing to use PVCS because many people do the actual  > coding on the Windows side.p > H > With the DECSet client, this will alleviate that purpose. I've alreadyJ > tried to convince them about the plusses with the CMS clients (keeps theL > source on the Alphas which our managers and myself want), but you know the> > higher ups. They don't want to hear it, they want to see it. >hD > I would like to install a version of CMS with my DECUS license forI > demonstration purposes only. I've already downloaded the CMS Client ande@ > Server demos from Compaq, but they also require CMS installed. >SG > Is is possible to even GET a hobbyist version of CMS? I don't know ofsI > anyone else that has it to obtain it from (which I thought was legal asa? > long as it was used under the guise of the hobbyist license)., >oG > I'm only interested in testing out the Client to see if it's feasible*K > (which I think it will be from what I've read) for our department to use.  > 	 > Thanks!  >  > --O > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--; > Ivan Samuelson                 * isamuels@columbus.rr.com G > IT Architect II                * http://home.columbus.rr.com/isamuelsy5 > American Electric Power        * http://www.aep.commO > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 04:16:37 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?- Message-ID: <87hf1xyq8q.fsf@prep.synonet.com>i  6 koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  A > You had BLISS code that compiled without ever reading the docs?b  @ Spelling alert....                                          ^^^^   You miss-spelled DOTS. ;)e   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.A@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2001 17:15:03 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?3 Message-ID: <K1OxM$jVnD05@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  j In article <2DuCJiLOtFeT@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:q > In article <jwUEdvsfq4ch@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:W >> wM >> As to what language is safest if the _developers_ don't know the language, K >> I am not sure it is possible for the product to reach a shipping status. I >> Perhaps in that case Ada is also safest, since it has a greater chanceeO >> of not even compiling for those who cannot (or will not) read documentation.r > A > You had BLISS code that compiled without ever reading the docs?   @ Easier than Ada.  Just keep adding dots until you get an ACCVIO, then remove  one dot  :-)u   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 22:39:36 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?, Message-ID: <96f1f8$bh5@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  X In article <3A886E5F.F9923E97@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: >Don Sykes wrote:  >>  K >> Borland has made Interbase 6.0 "open source", but no one has ported this E >> version to VMS yet. However. Compaq in Europe has indicated it wasb >> interested in doing so.J >> I ported the last version to VMS in '98 - that was 4.0. I don't know ifK >> 4.0 on VMS is free, but if Borland ok'd it I have all the suff availableo >> here. >> Don >>  ! >> "Jean-Franois Marchal" wrote:- >> -
 >> > Hi all !- >> >6 >> > What datadabases are still available on OpenVMS ? >> > Any freeware ?u >> > >> > Cheersp >> > Jean-Franois Marchal >> > X9000- LYON (FR)P >v@ >I read good things about the architecture of Interbase. What is@ >the implementation language? If it's a good one (not C/C++) I'm >in.  D It's C.  Pretty good C too, I was able to compile most of it without the compiler puking.  J It required "named pipes" to work, and there's no such thing in VMS.  ThatF sort of function could be provided with native mechanisms but it would/ require a substantial amount of work to do so. >   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech -   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:31:24 +0000d) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> 8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?, Message-ID: <3A8B154C.7E48EBD2@infopuls.com>   David Mathog wrote:n > Z > In article <3A886E5F.F9923E97@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: > >Don Sykes wrote:9 > >>M > >> Borland has made Interbase 6.0 "open source", but no one has ported this:G > >> version to VMS yet. However. Compaq in Europe has indicated it was  > >> interested in doing so.L > >> I ported the last version to VMS in '98 - that was 4.0. I don't know ifM > >> 4.0 on VMS is free, but if Borland ok'd it I have all the suff available 
 > >> here. > >> Don > >># > >> "Jean-Franois Marchal" wrote:  > >> > >> > Hi all !H > >> >8 > >> > What datadabases are still available on OpenVMS ? > >> > Any freeware ?  > >> >
 > >> > Cheers  > >> > Jean-Franois Marchal > >> > X9000- LYON (FR)  > > B > >I read good things about the architecture of Interbase. What isB > >the implementation language? If it's a good one (not C/C++) I'm > >in. > F > It's C.  Pretty good C too, I was able to compile most of it without > the compiler puking. > L > It required "named pipes" to work, and there's no such thing in VMS.  ThatH > sort of function could be provided with native mechanisms but it would0 > require a substantial amount of work to do so. >  > David Mathog > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu @ > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech  : Thanks, very helpful answer. I'm still interested. If it's? really good C than I would go for writing a translator into oney* of my favourite languages - don't ask ;-).< How many lines of code? How many header files? How many body files?  < For the named pipe problem: it surely requires a substantial> amount of work if it solved in a way that performs. The simple; solution would be using mailboxes and crack the stream intoj8 messages. But I don't think this will perform very well.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:34:15 +0000e) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>r8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?, Message-ID: <3A8B15F7.A60FD658@infopuls.com>  > Two additional questions: do they use many macros? Do you know* on which platforms Interbase is available?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:38:03 +0100eB From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>, Subject: Re: What's the best Usernet reader!7 Message-ID: <3A8ADE9B.6C68@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>c  
 TRDORR wrote:  > E > Well, I'm looking for a Newsgroup reader similar to DEJA where one :> > could log on to the WEB and connect to a NEWSGROUP via a NT B > workstation. I want to avoid having to define NNTP server/ news  > server address.u  
 Look at : <  http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Usenet/Web_Based/   -- a ME   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:22:52 -0500t/ From: "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>i Subject: www.openvms.compaq.comnI Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB41D@rlghncst625.usps.gov>e  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C096C3.E829B350  Content-Type: text/plain;D 	charset="iso-8859-1"-  H I just clicked on the VMS FAQ link (the main link not the frames or text links , underneath it and got the following message:   Service Unavailable  HTTP status code: 503   # %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed t  & Hmmm.  Wonder what OS they're running?   ==============================) William W. Webb, EDS, c/o USPS CMF/OSS/MS . 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616 919 874 3043  -  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C096C3.E829B350- Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"-  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">m <HTML> <HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">H <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12">% <TITLE>www.openvms.compaq.com</TITLE>t </HEAD>  <BODY>  f <P><FONT SIZE=2>I just clicked on the VMS FAQ link (the main link not the frames or text links </FONT>D <BR><FONT SIZE=2>underneath it and got the following message:</FONT> </P>  * <P><FONT SIZE=2>Service Unavailable</FONT>. <BR><FONT SIZE=2>HTTP status code: 503 </FONT> </P>  : <P><FONT SIZE=2>%RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed </FONT> </P>  B <P><FONT SIZE=2>Hmmm.&nbsp; Wonder what OS they're running?</FONT> </P>  5 <P><FONT SIZE=2>==============================</FONT>iA <BR><FONT SIZE=2>William W. Webb, EDS, c/o USPS CMF/OSS/MS</FONT> F <BR><FONT SIZE=2>4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616 919 874 3043</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;</FONT> </P>   </BODY>r </HTML>f) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C096C3.E829B350--r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:10:55 GMTP0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org># Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.comr6 Message-ID: <3gEi6.4255$Jp2.132661@news6.giganews.com>  . Webb, William W <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> wrote: > Service Unavailablem > HTTP status code: 503   % > %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed o  ( > Hmmm.  Wonder what OS they're running?  6 It looks like HTTP server is running under OpenVMS....   -- Tim Stark   --  , Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:13:00 -0500 . From: warren sander <warren.sander@compaq.com># Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.comm* Message-ID: <3A8B2D1C.BC95790A@compaq.com>  K The server log file got to version 32768 and couldn't make any more. That's  oneeK of the problems with a reliable server. It's been up since october (planned.  power cycle at the hosting site)   -warrene     Timothy Stark wrote:  0 > Webb, William W <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> wrote: > > Service Unavailable- > > HTTP status code: 5031 >2& > > %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed >m* > > Hmmm.  Wonder what OS they're running? >98 > It looks like HTTP server is running under OpenVMS.... >  > -- Tim Stark >y > --4 > Timothy Stark   <><     Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgL > --------------------------------------------------------------------------G > "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, thatrJ > whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.0 > Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.091 ************************