0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 15 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 92      Contents: Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity! Re: Availability Manager vs. AMDS ! Re: Availability Manager vs. AMDS ! Re: Availability Manager vs. AMDS ! Re: Availability Manager vs. AMDS ! Re: Availability Manager vs. AMDS 4 Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90?4 Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90?4 Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90?  Re: Can you Zip an indexed file?  Re: Can you Zip an indexed file? Can you Zip an indexed file???" Re: Can you Zip an indexed file???" Re: Can you Zip an indexed file???" Re: Can you Zip an indexed file??? Cannot locate OPERATOR.LOG Re: Cannot locate OPERATOR.LOG Re: Cannot locate OPERATOR.LOG Re: Cannot locate OPERATOR.LOG) Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel. ) Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel. 0 Re: Compaq presentation in Montreal. Feb 6, 2001 RE: error while booting a 3400
 ES40 upgrade?  Re: ES40 upgrade?  Re: ES40 upgrade? 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 > Hardware support. Was: A suggestion for easing the graphics...% How to create new NFS$SERVER logfile? ) Re: How to create new NFS$SERVER logfile? 4 Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha? hsj50 controllers? Re: Hummingbird Exceed" Re: IA-64 is Dead (Murderer:  EV7) Re: Itanium IS the Itanic  Re: Itanium IS the Itanic  Re: Itanium IS the Itanic  Re: Itanium IS the Itanic  RE: Itanium IS the Itanic  RE: Itanium IS the Itanic  Re: Itanium IS the Itanic  MicroVAX II (blinkling lights) Re: MIME$MAILCAP.DAT format? Re: Oldest computer games? Re: Oldest computer games? Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  RE: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Oracle RDB SQLSRV problems RE: Oracle RDB SQLSRV problems5 Re: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form 5 RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form  Print Server, Problems with DECnet IV and Gigabit Ethernet" Re: Question regarding Ghostscript Re: Renaming directories. How? Re: Renaming directories. How?$ Re: Strange way to blow your profits tatoo 	 Re: tatoo 	 Re: tatoo 	 RE: tatoo + Thanks for the help, here is how it worked.  Re: Try this on Linux or NT/ME Re: Try this on Linux or NT/ME
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 RE: VMS humor  Re: VMS Umbrella Re: VMS Umbrella Re: VMS Umbrella/ Re: What databases are still available on vms ? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ?  Re: www.openvms.compaq.com Re: www.openvms.compaq.com www.openvms.compaq.com RE: www.openvms.compaq.com www.openvms.compaq.com RE: www.openvms.compaq.com RE: www.openvms.compaq.com RE: www.openvms.compaq.com, [change topic] First VMS cluster in Europe ?0 Re: [change topic] First VMS cluster in Europe ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 19:34:21 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity - Message-ID: <87wvas6uyq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   7 "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:   L > Heck, ODS-5 will also get things as UNIX-like as soft links, and filenamesL > as ugly as any UNIX filename can be - along with access dates, and lots of4 > other missing bits & pieces to be UNIX compatable.  A Hoff, all the stuff for hard links AND soft links is in the ODS-2  specs. OR the old ones any way.   F Whats missing is 'details'. A reference count in the header so deetionB does not leave dangling synonyms. Deleting a file *by name* should@ decrement the ref count, and if it zero, zap the file. Else justC remove the dir entry. ( this would also allow easy deletion by a FS * garbage collector, async to your process )  E The dir structure has the flags and stuff to use logicals or whatever E in the dir entries. Or at least the reserved definitions where there, E and seemed to have most of whats needed. Put it there, and both ODS-2  and 5 will have it.   F I consider the 'anything as a file name' idea to be a total crock, and2 a huge step backwards. But thats another argument.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 08:53:50 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity 3 Message-ID: <w71NuC50wbyL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <87wvas6uyq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: > H > Whats missing is 'details'. A reference count in the header so deetionD > does not leave dangling synonyms. Deleting a file *by name* shouldB > decrement the ref count, and if it zero, zap the file. Else justE > remove the dir entry. ( this would also allow easy deletion by a FS , > garbage collector, async to your process )  G If hard links are done this way, who gets charged for disk quota?  If I F delete my file, I should get quota back, no matter who else has a linkB to it, but as long as it exists someone should get charged for it.  " Anyone know how UNIX handles this?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:49:05 +0100 , From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>* Subject: Re: Availability Manager vs. AMDS+ Message-ID: <96fu5k$2fiv$1@buty.wanadoo.nl>   L They both have their merits. My personal favour goes to AMDS. If you have toE monitor no more than 20-odd systems you can have all summaries in one K window. Availability manager only allows one group at a time. Of course you . could have all your systems in the same group.  H I strongly believe that no OpenVMS systemmanager can live without a tool  like AMDS/Availability manager !   Regards,  	 Bart Zorn   8 "Jim McKinney" <jmckinney@duvoisin.com> wrote in message6 news:X6Gi6.13894$1%2.750388@sjc-read.news.verio.net...K > I want to set up Availability Manager to keep an eye on a couple of boxes G > that are running VMS 7.1. I thought I would need to get another small  alpha K > to run the analyzer, but then I noticed that I can use either an alpha or  anL > NT workstation for this task. When I look at the hardware requirements forJ > the analyzer I'm wonering if I wouln't be better off using AMDS instead. AMJ > requires a 500 Mhz alpha with 128 MB of ram or a 500 Mhz NT workstation. OnJ > the other hand I can use a cheap DEC 3000 with AMDS. My question is doesB > anyone have an opinion on which product is better? If you preferJ > Availability Manager which platform is better for the analyzer, and does itL > really need that hefty a workstation (VMS wise)? Personally I would ratherL > use another VMS box for this, but NT boxes are a little easier to come by. I 1 > appreciate any opinions on this matter. Thanks!  >  > Jim  > jmckinney@duvoisin.com >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:26:14 +0100 + From: "Peter Kille" <peter.kille@volvo.com> * Subject: Re: Availability Manager vs. AMDS+ Message-ID: <96gecp$2j$1@vg170.it.volvo.se>   K They both work fine. At our site we use both, that is the "classic AMDS" on I VMS and Availman on NT. I see on my own behaviour that i use the Availman A more and more, its very handy to have it on your Windows desktop.   L Dont pay to much attention on the 500mhz on the NT workstation, i have tried! it on a 266mhz and it works fine, 7 a bit slow but it works. The 128MB of memory is another  issue, you will need them.  L I also have Availman V1.4 on W2K workstation, it also works fine. At CETS inK L.A last October i was talking to two of the guys from Engineering, working C with AMDS and Availman. They said that the product of the future is J Availman. AMDS will still be shipping but no further development regardingK to new functions. More like bugfixes. New features will come in Availman so % that is one reason to get used to it.   L What i really like to do is installing Availman on a W2K Terminal Server and$ only have the Terminal Server clientD on your desktop. I tried that with V1.4 but Java starts looping when5 "application init" is done. Maybe in next release...?    BR Peter  8 "Jim McKinney" <jmckinney@duvoisin.com> wrote in message6 news:X6Gi6.13894$1%2.750388@sjc-read.news.verio.net...K > I want to set up Availability Manager to keep an eye on a couple of boxes G > that are running VMS 7.1. I thought I would need to get another small  alpha K > to run the analyzer, but then I noticed that I can use either an alpha or  anL > NT workstation for this task. When I look at the hardware requirements forJ > the analyzer I'm wonering if I wouln't be better off using AMDS instead. AMJ > requires a 500 Mhz alpha with 128 MB of ram or a 500 Mhz NT workstation. OnJ > the other hand I can use a cheap DEC 3000 with AMDS. My question is doesB > anyone have an opinion on which product is better? If you preferJ > Availability Manager which platform is better for the analyzer, and does itL > really need that hefty a workstation (VMS wise)? Personally I would ratherL > use another VMS box for this, but NT boxes are a little easier to come by. I 1 > appreciate any opinions on this matter. Thanks!  >  > Jim  > jmckinney@duvoisin.com >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 19:46:04 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>* Subject: Re: Availability Manager vs. AMDS- Message-ID: <87snlg6uf7.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   . "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> writes:  : > "Jim McKinney" <jmckinney@duvoisin.com> wrote in message8 > news:X6Gi6.13894$1%2.750388@sjc-read.news.verio.net...  D > > I want to set up Availability Manager to keep an eye on a coupleD > > of boxes that are running VMS 7.1. I thought I would need to getF > > another small alpha to run the analyzer, but then I noticed that IF > > can use either an alpha or an NT workstation for this task. When IF > > look at the hardware requirements for the analyzer I'm wonering ifE > > I wouln't be better off using AMDS instead. AM requires a 500 Mhz F > > alpha with 128 MB of ram or a 500 Mhz NT workstation. On the otherB > > hand I can use a cheap DEC 3000 with AMDS. My question is doesD > > anyone have an opinion on which product is better? If you preferC > > Availability Manager which platform is better for the analyzer, @ > > and does it really need that hefty a workstation (VMS wise)?B > > Personally I would rather use another VMS box for this, but NTF > > boxes are a little easier to come by.  > I appreciate any opinions > > on this matter. Thanks!   F > They both have their merits. My personal favour goes to AMDS. If you> > have to monitor no more than 20-odd systems you can have allE > summaries in one window. Availability manager only allows one group B > at a time. Of course you could have all your systems in the same > group.  E > I strongly believe that no OpenVMS systemmanager can live without a ' > tool like AMDS/Availability manager !   E I have the opinion that stuff like this is 'critical'. To be usefull, C it MUST be fully functional on a system that is screwed over. Every ? single byte, CPU cycle, and bit of extra software *removes* the ? ability for it to work when needed. Robustness and function are 0 FAR, FAR more important then fruit and 'pretty'.  B The idea that some one would even think that requiring the massive> overhead of AM on a system that needs to be sorted out is justB chilling. Where do they find people like this? At the local school Linux club?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:55:29 -0600 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> * Subject: Re: Availability Manager vs. AMDS8 Message-ID: <96gn4k$mjv$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  K Good points.  I think I've also heard that the future lies with AM not AMDS  if that helps/matters.   Dave...   7 "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> wrote in message % news:96fu5k$2fiv$1@buty.wanadoo.nl... K > They both have their merits. My personal favour goes to AMDS. If you have  toG > monitor no more than 20-odd systems you can have all summaries in one I > window. Availability manager only allows one group at a time. Of course  you 0 > could have all your systems in the same group. > J > I strongly believe that no OpenVMS systemmanager can live without a tool" > like AMDS/Availability manager ! > 
 > Regards, >  > Bart Zorn  > : > "Jim McKinney" <jmckinney@duvoisin.com> wrote in message8 > news:X6Gi6.13894$1%2.750388@sjc-read.news.verio.net...G > > I want to set up Availability Manager to keep an eye on a couple of  boxes I > > that are running VMS 7.1. I thought I would need to get another small  > alpha J > > to run the analyzer, but then I noticed that I can use either an alpha or > anJ > > NT workstation for this task. When I look at the hardware requirements for L > > the analyzer I'm wonering if I wouln't be better off using AMDS instead. > AML > > requires a 500 Mhz alpha with 128 MB of ram or a 500 Mhz NT workstation. > OnL > > the other hand I can use a cheap DEC 3000 with AMDS. My question is doesD > > anyone have an opinion on which product is better? If you preferL > > Availability Manager which platform is better for the analyzer, and does > itG > > really need that hefty a workstation (VMS wise)? Personally I would  ratherJ > > use another VMS box for this, but NT boxes are a little easier to come by.  > I 3 > > appreciate any opinions on this matter. Thanks!  > >  > > Jim  > > jmckinney@duvoisin.com > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:00:47 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> * Subject: Re: Availability Manager vs. AMDS2 Message-ID: <3A8BE1D2.CDB57ED8@clarityconnect.com>  G Yes the future will be Availability Manager.  Remember that there are 2 E pieces here.  The driver that supplies the data to interested parties C and the console that uses this data for it's nice pretty displays.  G Under VMS the driver piece will still be developed as it has to keep up E with changes to VMS and and new pieces of performance/usage data that G can be collected.  The AMDS console is/will be retired and Availability H Manager will be the only console.  If you are implementing only now thenG work at implementing Availability Manager as this will create less work  for you in the future.   Peter Kille wrote: > M > They both work fine. At our site we use both, that is the "classic AMDS" on K > VMS and Availman on NT. I see on my own behaviour that i use the Availman C > more and more, its very handy to have it on your Windows desktop.  > N > Dont pay to much attention on the 500mhz on the NT workstation, i have tried# > it on a 266mhz and it works fine, 9 > a bit slow but it works. The 128MB of memory is another  > issue, you will need them. > N > I also have Availman V1.4 on W2K workstation, it also works fine. At CETS inM > L.A last October i was talking to two of the guys from Engineering, working E > with AMDS and Availman. They said that the product of the future is L > Availman. AMDS will still be shipping but no further development regardingM > to new functions. More like bugfixes. New features will come in Availman so ' > that is one reason to get used to it.  > N > What i really like to do is installing Availman on a W2K Terminal Server and& > only have the Terminal Server clientF > on your desktop. I tried that with V1.4 but Java starts looping when7 > "application init" is done. Maybe in next release...?t > 
 > BR Peter > : > "Jim McKinney" <jmckinney@duvoisin.com> wrote in message8 > news:X6Gi6.13894$1%2.750388@sjc-read.news.verio.net...M > > I want to set up Availability Manager to keep an eye on a couple of boxeswI > > that are running VMS 7.1. I thought I would need to get another smallt > alphaeM > > to run the analyzer, but then I noticed that I can use either an alpha ora > anN > > NT workstation for this task. When I look at the hardware requirements forL > > the analyzer I'm wonering if I wouln't be better off using AMDS instead. > AML > > requires a 500 Mhz alpha with 128 MB of ram or a 500 Mhz NT workstation. > OnL > > the other hand I can use a cheap DEC 3000 with AMDS. My question is doesD > > anyone have an opinion on which product is better? If you preferL > > Availability Manager which platform is better for the analyzer, and does > itN > > really need that hefty a workstation (VMS wise)? Personally I would ratherN > > use another VMS box for this, but NT boxes are a little easier to come by. > Ir3 > > appreciate any opinions on this matter. Thanks!n > >. > > Jime > > jmckinney@duvoisin.com > >B > >a   -- 5D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Feb 2001 11:05:25 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)h= Subject: Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90?a' Message-ID: <96gd5l$620$1@joe.rice.edu>i  6 David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@earthlink.net) wrote: :sG : I thought they *DID* understand it, which is why they want DECnet off4@ : the network. It's not only an unknown, it's a foreign unknown. ::  D I was under the impression that Cisco charges more for DECNet-aware 7 versions of IOS, the operating system in their routers.   4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 14:54:29 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)= Subject: Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90?t* Message-ID: <3a8bdf95$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  S In article <96gd5l$620$1@joe.rice.edu>, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes:a >TE >I was under the impression that Cisco charges more for DECNet-aware t8 >versions of IOS, the operating system in their routers.  H Yes, they do. And other routers (or L3/4-switches) might know _only_ IP.  F And this is the point. => If DECnet in your net costs money, avoid it.> Running it in L3 and above in your WAN costs definitely money.  M But OTOH nothing requires a network manager to remove DECnet, LAT, LAST, SCA,fK RBMS and so on from LAN (except some kind of strategy, knowledge, and mayber; [broadcast] traffic). => If DECnet doesn't hurt, let it be.e   -- o< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 09:32:14 -05009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) = Subject: Re: Can you remove LAT & DECNET from a Decserver 90?e3 Message-ID: <moiVlgnfyWsB@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  S In article <96gd5l$620$1@joe.rice.edu>, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes:l8 > David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@earthlink.net) wrote: > :rI > : I thought they *DID* understand it, which is why they want DECnet off B > : the network. It's not only an unknown, it's a foreign unknown. > F > I was under the impression that Cisco charges more for DECNet-aware 9 > versions of IOS, the operating system in their routers.   H Probably because there is no one at cisco who understands DECnet. That'sL what we encounter every time we have problems with our cisco boxes that takeJ out DECnet byt leave TCPIP unaffected. It seems every time they reboot oneD of them, SOMETHING is wrong with the DECnet functionality somewhere.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 09:18:46 -0500: From: malmberg@eisner.encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)) Subject: Re: Can you Zip an indexed file?d3 Message-ID: <+7lPkKXeN+q2@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  / In article <t8mte716aqsp6f@corp.supernews.com>,a. "Bill Ames" <billames@accunet.network> writes:M > I am getting the following error when zipping an indexed file.  I have alsoaN > pasted the file specs.  Can anyone please help me.  I want to zip an indexed% > file so that I may send it via ftp.   , $BACKUP INDEXEDFILE.DAT INDEXEDFILE.BCK/SAVE) $ZIP "-V" INDEXEDFILE.ZIP INDEXEDFILE.BCKn   $UNZIP INDEXEDFILE.ZIP+ $BACKUP INDEXEDFILE.BCK/SAV INDEXEDFILE.DATi  H ZIP and GZIP will read an indexed file sequentually, and do not save theG index.  You must encapsulte an indexed file in a backup saveset, or youV@ will end up with at best only your data extracted from the file.   -John! wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:44:00 +01001/ From: Martin Zinser <zinser@sysdev.exchange.de>t) Subject: Re: Can you Zip an indexed file?e2 Message-ID: <3A8BEB30.6BE1590E@sysdev.exchange.de>   Hello!  > 	This is not neccessary. Just get recent versions of Zip/UnzipA 	(should be Zip 2.3 and UnZip 5.42) and use the "-V" switch whilenA 	zipping and this will presereve the OpenVMS file attributes alsou@ 	for indexed files (I'm using this daily in a production setup).   				Greetings, Martin.   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:z > 1 > In article <t8mte716aqsp6f@corp.supernews.com>, 0 > "Bill Ames" <billames@accunet.network> writes:O > > I am getting the following error when zipping an indexed file.  I have alsobP > > pasted the file specs.  Can anyone please help me.  I want to zip an indexed' > > file so that I may send it via ftp.h > . > $BACKUP INDEXEDFILE.DAT INDEXEDFILE.BCK/SAVE+ > $ZIP "-V" INDEXEDFILE.ZIP INDEXEDFILE.BCK  >  > $UNZIP INDEXEDFILE.ZIP- > $BACKUP INDEXEDFILE.BCK/SAV INDEXEDFILE.DATi > J > ZIP and GZIP will read an indexed file sequentually, and do not save theI > index.  You must encapsulte an indexed file in a backup saveset, or you:B > will end up with at best only your data extracted from the file. >  > -Johnl > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:24:51 -0600.( From: "Bill Ames" <billames@accunet.net>' Subject: Can you Zip an indexed file???t/ Message-ID: <t8mte716aqsp6f@corp.supernews.com>d  K I am getting the following error when zipping an indexed file.  I have alsodL pasted the file specs.  Can anyone please help me.  I want to zip an indexed# file so that I may send it via ftp.e   Bill   Error:* 15 SYSDEVICE:[BAMES] ZIP 99_222.EDI_SEND;1D zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file (did youB zip warning: remember to use binary mode when you transferred it?)  % zip error: Zip file structure invalid ( (SYS$SYSDEVICE:[BAMES]99_222.EDI_SEND;1)     File specs: 3 99_222.EDI_SEND;1             File ID:  (2368,77,0)m. Size:          234/234        Owner:    [40,0]" Created:   15-FEB-2001 00:04:01.45& Revised:   15-FEB-2001 00:04:03.77 (1) Expires:   <None specified>h Backup:    <No backup recorded>T Effective: <None specified>  Recording: <None specified>i3 File organization:  Indexed, Prolog: 3, Using 1 keyi Shelved state:      OnlineF File attributes:    Allocation: 234, Extend: 0, Maximum bucket size: 2<                     Global buffer count: 0, Version limit: 11 Record format:      Fixed length 621 byte recordsA4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None? File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World:  Access Cntrl List:  None   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:06:03 +0100t, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>+ Subject: Re: Can you Zip an indexed file??? & Message-ID: <3A8B8DEB.5DAB162A@gmx.ch>  H looks like you get this error when ZIP actually tries to UNZIP it. Check your syntax.   D.   Bill Ames wrote: > M > I am getting the following error when zipping an indexed file.  I have alsoiN > pasted the file specs.  Can anyone please help me.  I want to zip an indexed% > file so that I may send it via ftp.c >  > Bill >  > Error:, > 15 SYSDEVICE:[BAMES] ZIP 99_222.EDI_SEND;1F > zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file (did youD > zip warning: remember to use binary mode when you transferred it?) > ' > zip error: Zip file structure invalidd* > (SYS$SYSDEVICE:[BAMES]99_222.EDI_SEND;1)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:38:59 +0100c1 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com>S+ Subject: Re: Can you Zip an indexed file???i, Message-ID: <96g83j$s27$1@news.ipartners.pl>  H > I am getting the following error when zipping an indexed file.  I have alsoF > pasted the file specs.  Can anyone please help me.  I want to zip an indexeda% > file so that I may send it via ftp.L >  > Bill >e > Error:, > 15 SYSDEVICE:[BAMES] ZIP 99_222.EDI_SEND;1F > zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file (did youD > zip warning: remember to use binary mode when you transferred it?)   TryhF zip -9 "-V" "-w" "-T" dest.zip SYSDEVICE:[BAMES] ZIP 99_222.EDI_SEND;1   T. D.l   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Feb 2001 10:52:32 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)D+ Subject: Re: Can you Zip an indexed file???i0 Message-ID: <96gcdg$nhg$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  Z In article <t8mte716aqsp6f@corp.supernews.com>, "Bill Ames" <billames@accunet.net> writes:L >I am getting the following error when zipping an indexed file.  I have alsoM >pasted the file specs.  Can anyone please help me.  I want to zip an indexed $ >file so that I may send it via ftp. >a >Bill  >e >Error: + >15 SYSDEVICE:[BAMES] ZIP 99_222.EDI_SEND;1tE >zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file (did youEC >zip warning: remember to use binary mode when you transferred it?)R >S& >zip error: Zip file structure invalid) >(SYS$SYSDEVICE:[BAMES]99_222.EDI_SEND;1)  >  >e >File specs:4 >99_222.EDI_SEND;1             File ID:  (2368,77,0)/ >Size:          234/234        Owner:    [40,0]g# >Created:   15-FEB-2001 00:04:01.45s' >Revised:   15-FEB-2001 00:04:03.77 (1)e >Expires:   <None specified>  >Backup:    <No backup recorded> >Effective: <None specified> >Recording: <None specified>4 >File organization:  Indexed, Prolog: 3, Using 1 key >Shelved state:      OnlineeG >File attributes:    Allocation: 234, Extend: 0, Maximum bucket size: 2o= >                    Global buffer count: 0, Version limit: 1 2 >Record format:      Fixed length 621 byte records5 >Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control  >RMS attributes:     Nonem >Journaling enabled: Nonem@ >File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World: >Access Cntrl List:  None.  I Please tell us the command you are used to produce the above error. Whicho version of ZIP do you use?   Regards,    Christoph GartmannS  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:22:09 +0100  From: lletersec@ccf.fr# Subject: Cannot locate OPERATOR.LOGf8 Message-ID: <9ren8tsl185jecu3nfegutspncv6j9d0jc@4ax.com>  D One of my 15 Vaxes has no OPERATOR.LOG file though the OPCOM process is up !n  1 I tried to stop and restart OPCOM process. No use " I tried to reboot the Vax. No use.8 In fact I don't know for how long this situation exists.  D Could it be possible that the opcom process actually write somewhere7 else, or is inhibited to write due to certain logical ?n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:57:01 +0100e) From: "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr>d' Subject: Re: Cannot locate OPERATOR.LOGr& Message-ID: <3a8bd12e$1@news.euriware>  !     sh log opc$*  (logfile_name?)e     repl/ena     repl/log0 <lletersec@ccf.fr> a crit dans le message news:- 9ren8tsl185jecu3nfegutspncv6j9d0jc@4ax.com... F > One of my 15 Vaxes has no OPERATOR.LOG file though the OPCOM process	 > is up !m >a3 > I tried to stop and restart OPCOM process. No use $ > I tried to reboot the Vax. No use.: > In fact I don't know for how long this situation exists. >aF > Could it be possible that the opcom process actually write somewhere9 > else, or is inhibited to write due to certain logical ?s >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:26:53 +0100p0 From: Loc Le Tersec <letersec@club-internet.fr>' Subject: Re: Cannot locate OPERATOR.LOGe8 Message-ID: <ssln8tg0a77s54ac7cf222d6b2q20p5dc6@4ax.com>   Dammed,d! I did not think about "reply/log"b6 Sure, it works fine and thanks to you the pb is fixed. Regardse    ) On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:57:01 +0100, "Pbo"s$ <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> wrote:  " >    sh log opc$*  (logfile_name?)
 >    repl/enaf
 >    repl/log    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 09:27:03 -0500: From: malmberg@eisner.encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)' Subject: Re: Cannot locate OPERATOR.LOGu3 Message-ID: <yBw6aJgu6yNz@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  8 In article <9ren8tsl185jecu3nfegutspncv6j9d0jc@4ax.com>, lletersec@ccf.france writes:F > One of my 15 Vaxes has no OPERATOR.LOG file though the OPCOM process	 > is up !  > 3 > I tried to stop and restart OPCOM process. No use $ > I tried to reboot the Vax. No use.: > In fact I don't know for how long this situation exists. > F > Could it be possible that the opcom process actually write somewhere9 > else, or is inhibited to write due to certain logical ?f  6 Check the value of the SYSGEN parameter WINDOW_SYSTEM.  : If you have a Workstation, make sure that WINDOW_SYSTEM=1.  A If you do not have a Workstation, make sure that WINDOW_SYSTEM=0.   @ See the file SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE for the information> about the OPC$ logicals that control the behavior of the OPCOM process.  ; And please when posting a problem like this, it may help tov@ list the exact hardware model and the version of OpenVMS running; on it.  And in this case it may even be significant what if21 any version of DECWindows-MOTIF might be present.   < And of course any ECO's that may be installed for OpenVMS or DecWindows-Motif.S   -Johnh wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:20:31 +0100p  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>2 Subject: Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel.+ Message-ID: <VA.000002b0.4b3b8a0f@sture.ch>b  < In article <3A8B0614.45B4243B@virgin.net>, Alan Greig wrote:' > From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>t > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsd4 > Subject: Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel.' > Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:26:29 +0000r >  >  >  > JF Mezei wrote:  >  > > Paul Sture wrote:hH > > > Capellas: Mein style is now once very informal. I love skirt musicB > > >         over all, it runs permanently with me in the office. > > Q > > What if Capellas actually does run around the office in a skirt and has Brucei( > > Springsteain posters in his office ? > >m > . > Oh no. Now look at the rumour we've started! >  > >-N > > Perhaps the translation service was accurate after all :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) > N At which point I must quickly jump in with the fact that "der Rock" = "skirt". :-) :-).   ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlandu   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 18:03:43 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>2 Subject: Re: Capellas' interview with Der Spiegel.- Message-ID: <87zofo8dq8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>a  " Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:  E > At which point I must quickly jump in with the fact that "der Rock"y > = "skirt".  1 Brings a very slightly new twist to 'rock'n roll'i   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:52:44 -0500 2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>9 Subject: Re: Compaq presentation in Montreal. Feb 6, 2001t7 Message-ID: <ebRi6.657$cu.2743@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>    Dear Newsgroup,r  F Thank you for all your postive comments.  And while I like hearing the praise.  I have to be honestK with you.  I just get you into the database.  The giveaways are coordinatedB0 by the director of marketing, Mary Ellen FortierD MaryEllen.Fortier@compaq.com and the thanks should really go to her.  
 Warm Regards,    Suei    1 "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca> wrote in messagea3 news:YAgg6.11925$rF1.201467@wagner.videotron.net...zL > Yesterday January 6, we had a Compaq presentation in Montreal, for OpenVMS > and Tru64 customers. >sJ > Were present Rich Marcello, David Boot (president of Compaq Canada - who did @ > a nice corporate speech) and Mark Silverberg (Tru64 marketing) > + > FYI, just some notes on the presentation:  >lK > R. Marcello said " Q wants to regain the trust of OpenVMS customers " anda "yJ > 2000 was the best year ever for OpenVMS. Q did biggest announcement ever for  > OpenVMS 7.3 release ". > K > Q plans to get 18% more revenue with heathcare (c.f. Cerner assessement),5B > 20% in gov`t (c.f. CII DOE), and <10% in telecom, for year 2001. >rI > They spend over 200 million $ around VMS (soft/hardware developpement +eE > marketing, enhancements, Galaxy, etc.) They have about 4700 service  > specialists for OpenVMS. > G > VMS 7.3 is supposed to deliver 20% more power to your system, just byn doingi > the upgrade. >wJ > Future : OpnVMS will support every and all new alpha boxes (and storageA > technology, IIRC). Included in OVMS (for free) will be seemlesse integration K > with other file systems (called SAN). DII COE will make applications more J > easily portable from Unix to OVMS. Other applications developped on Unix butRD > running on COM will also run on OVMS making more software products	 availables > for us OVMS folks. >cD > Oracle now assures that it can meet the 90 day goal of new versionH > availability on OVMS after released to Tru64. Not bad considering it'sA > developped on Unix in the 1st place. We can't ask for miracles.  >e( > New TCP IP services will support IPV6. >eI > Many improvements to facilitate Internet solutions/integration on OVMS.  >tJ > Q will try to get back previous/lost partners into the OVMS world. ThoseC > were lost in space after mis-management from Digital in the 90's.t >AI > One thing that is no good for OVMS, is that they are porting all of thel goodK > technology (clustering among other things) to Tru64. When all of the good-C > stuff is there, what will be the advantage of buying OVMS for neww
 customers?L > It will become even harder to sell then. The one good thing is that Q putsK > serious efforts in OVMS to add new functionality, and make it possible topK > use it for our Internet and other modern needs. Looks like Tru64 and OVMS0L > will have the same functionalities in 10 years from now, only the look andG > feel will be different. I'll keep using OVMS, can't see how Tru64 canD becomeK > better unless they stop enhancing OVMS (which they can't do thanks to DII  > COE assessement).( >rJ > I'll let some of you guys discuss this at large, I guess. Just wanted to$ > share what little info I gathered. >nJ > BTW, Mitnick apparently declared before US congress that the only system he > could not crack was OpenVMS. > -- >  > Sytrem" > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem >D >e >w >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:00:18 -0600c* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>' Subject: RE: error while booting a 3400 - Message-ID: <0033000016309372000002L022*@MHS>    =0AMaking an MMJ connector?P   And with a BOSCH PLANE?????e  ( That's rather barbaric, not to mention a% flagrant misuse of a fine power tool.r  6 You can also use one of the H8575A adapters to go from4 MMJ to DB25, depending on what you're connecting to.  ? If you weren't in Italy, I'd suggest that you send me the cablee; and a small donation and I'd crimp an MMJ on there for you.c   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET * Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 5:38 PM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET' Subject: RE: error while booting a 3400t      Bob <gneiss@mailroom.com> wrote:  H > even any tapes.  I had to copy by hand the info from the screen.  Our=    D I can't help you too much, but I can suggest you to use a null-modemF cable to hook the console port on the VAX into the serial port of your> workstation. This will help a lot in your resurrection job. :)  ? Even if you have only an MMJ-MMJ cable, you can easily build by C yourself a MMJ-DB9 (or DB25) one by your self, following the pinoutt reported in the OpenVMS FAQs. D You can emulate an MMJ connector using an RJ11 and a cutter (well, aF friend of mine used an RJ45 and a BOSCH plane. Folkloristic, indeed.).        loggingly,i         Cthulhu    --  H        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan!=  ,                   <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>=   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:20:13 +0010l% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aua Subject: ES40 upgrade?5 Message-ID: <01K05F6H39KY00A1AZ@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>r   FolksM  ! I have a(n) ES40 with 4 EV6 cpus.   8 I have to put in a budget for next year.  Can I upgrade 4 these within the same box to EV68s (or EV7s if they 8 arrive).  This is going from about 500 to 833 megahertz.  9 I am finding it difficult to navigate the Compaq website  , to get these answers (or for any questions).  9 I also wanted a response independent of our suppliers!!   6 These answers used to be available -- but where now???  4 Hmm, Digital used to be my preferred supplier :-((((   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,a
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia    Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  8 Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to  work for most people,n6 but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little  spam.,   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 18:01:45 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: ES40 upgrade?- Message-ID: <878zn89sdy.fsf@prep.synonet.com>g  & Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one...  6 All I want is the EFT2 kits, with my 40% disc natch...  < Dec: " Digital had it now! ( and you can't fucking have it )< Compaq: "we have one of them,... but I don't know where... )  9 BTW, youlooking for somewhere 'quiet' or would rocking onl be more the go?a   -- r< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.9@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:51:22 -0600E1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>h Subject: Re: ES40 upgrade?8 Message-ID: <96gmsr$mjt$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  J Seems to me that Compaq isn't like DEC in that it doesn't have CPU upgradeH programs AFAIK.  Want a newer/faster CPU?  Just buy one.  What do you do' with the replaced CPUs?  Good question.f  ? I'm havin' the same issue with DS20Es going from 500 to 667Mhz.1   Dave...d  2 <paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au> wrote in message/ news:01K05F6H39KY00A1AZ@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au...  > Folkse >o# > I have a(n) ES40 with 4 EV6 cpus.G >p9 > I have to put in a budget for next year.  Can I upgrade-5 > these within the same box to EV68s (or EV7s if theyt: > arrive).  This is going from about 500 to 833 megahertz. >n: > I am finding it difficult to navigate the Compaq website. > to get these answers (or for any questions). >a9 > I also wanted a response independent of our suppliers!!l8 > These answers used to be available -- but where now??? >p6 > Hmm, Digital used to be my preferred supplier :-(((( >. > Regards, Paddy >e > Paddy O'Brien, > Transmission Development,t > TransGrid, > PO Box A1000, Sydney South,r > NSW 2000, AustraliaA >] > Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 > Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050( > Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au > 9 > Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems toe > work for most people,Z7 > but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little2 > spam.; >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:02:28 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1502010102290001@user-2ivec3i.dialup.mindspring.com>  > In article <96992g$1j70$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge"$ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:    N > Lastly, the brain surgeons who wrote the X11 code made the maximum number of               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^/ Must be a typo.  Surely you meant brain donors?r  I > heads a compile time constant.  As of V7.1-1H2 that limit in VMS is 16.e   -- r Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:13:33 -0500-2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1502010113330001@user-2ivec3i.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <96c2pj$5fv$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" $ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:     L > Well, the firmware needs to configure the device.  If it doesn't, then youK > are SOL.  In particular, the firmware manages the PCI address space.  ThelL > device BARs provide the amount and type of address space, and the firmwareI > then writes the BARs with the PA's for it to use.  If the FW doesn't doo > this, then you're screwed.  G I guess I'm assuming the console on a PCI machine does some sort of PCIrJ bus scan, and puts _something_ in the configuration tables for each deviceI it finds.  PCI devices are supposed to be self-identifying. (Yeah, I know G that's often not quite true.)  So I'm assuming the console makes enough J info available to allow ANALYZE/SYSTEM to see something, and let SYSMAN IO< (with a person's help) install an appropriate device driver.  J If the console doesn't do this, how can a system support a third-party PCIJ device with a 3rd-party device driver?  There's no mechanism I've heard of5 for a vendor to supplement Compaq's console firmware.   J I've studied turbochannel systems more closely (as I said, I'm poor).  TheH TC consoles certainly try to configure every TC device they find.  TC isJ pretty rigorous about options identifying themselves in ROM.  Options alsoC supply their own configuration code in ROM where necessary, and the G console knows how to access it.  I don't think PCI options can do that.o   -- r Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comd   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:24:36 -0500-2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1502010124360001@user-2ivec3i.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <96c35b$5lp$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge"1$ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  ' > Robert Deininger wrote in message ...:A > >In article <95s4jk$c450$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge"-& > <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote: > >0 >  > SNIP > > L > >Except I'll repeat that maybe Compaq could consider releasing some driverF > source code if the time comes when it stops "just working".  Lots of) > hobbyist turbochannel systems around...  > >  >  > 1 > Perhaps one day.  At this point the issues are:  > E > 1) The build environment is non-trivial.  I know, I created a buildtL > environment that I use on my local system so that I don't have to build inI > the normal VMS environment.  It is large.  It is subject to substantial-
 > changes.  J As you said in the other message, someone needs to commit serious time and4 effort.  I'm not in a position to do that right now.  G > 3) Hardware documentation for some devices is seriously lacking.  TheiL > Pixelvision based devices are particularly poorly documented.  The TGA andK > TGA2 are very well documented.  Some hardware - like 3rd party devices wexG > can't give you the documentation on, and the vendor might not either.   F I've noticed.  I've tried to extract some info about intel's old flashF ROMs, with no luck so far.  Brooktree has been swallowed, and I've notI found any of their old docs.  Compaq must have this kind of stuff (unlesseH the workstation group lost it) but of course you couldn't distribute it.  + > 4) Graphics device software isn't simple.0  F I believe you.  The free-software weenies tend to claim that linux hasI quality drivers for every graphics device ever made.  I suppose this codebG is just supposed to fall out of trees or something.  But I've seen some C lists of "supported" devices, and the corresponding bugs lists.  ItuH appears a lot of devices finish their "fad" phase before the drivers areG decent, and after that there's little progress.  And these folks have a ( kind of strange definition of "working".  L > 5) A lot of code is from UNIX (i.e. they never wrote a comment unless they* > didn't understand what they were doing).  I Judging by the quality of the end result, they must have written a lot oftF comments. ;-)  Or do you think they did understand it, but released it anyway?    -- s Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.como   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 18:45:21 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1- Message-ID: <87itmc8bss.fsf@prep.synonet.com>c  7 "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:e  D > Lastly, the brain surgeons who wrote the X11 code made the maximumE > number of heads a compile time constant.  As of V7.1-1H2 that limit  > in VMS is 16.a  F Well, as a very slight hand wave in their defence, they did say it was2 'proof of concept', and not intended for real use.   -- $< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 18:49:54 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1- Message-ID: <87d7ck8bl9.fsf@prep.synonet.com>-  7 "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:r  L > 5) A lot of code is from UNIX (i.e. they never wrote a comment unless they* > didn't understand what they were doing).  A A trend that is showing in some of the C modules in VMS. You need < a good bear stomping around the cubicles of ZK I think Hoff.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.w@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 19:24:56 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>G Subject: Hardware support. Was: A suggestion for easing the graphics...i0 Message-ID: <871yt089yv.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>  7 "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:   D > The best bet for getting more graphics available for VMS and Tru64C > UNIX is for us to migrate to XFree86 (better still, for x.org and_? > xfree86 to merge).  Then there might potentially be a base of E > graphics code that can be used.  With the push in Linux, XFree86 iseF > starting to have some high-quality, fast server/drivers (even if not& > all vendors open source their code).  5 > This will probably happen on VMS and Tru64 in 2002.s  B > But having code available doesn't imply support.  A lot of otherD > stuff has to happen to go from something that "works" to something > that we support.  E I see a couple of problems that all go hand in glove. Starting at theK	 back end.   ) The market can be split into roughly two.W  A Those who pay and demand it to 'just work'. They don't care about E details, they wont it to do its job and keep doing it. And the people C keeping it going need to be able to have a fighting chance of doingmC their job. A proportion of these systems can not be upgraded at the.F drop of a hat. These people are normally quite at home with paying top@ money for 24hr, fast fix good support. But they don't like being gouged either.  F The other, is the group who want it to work 99.999% of the time, to beB reasonable performance, and to not require a month of tweeking and> reverse engineering. Money is normally very tight, budgeted in# advance, and support is 'optional'.l  D Decpaq is no longer in most of the peripheral design and manaf. game? any more, and are getting more and more of the bits in the opentE market.  Some are badged, some are not. RZ1xx are in the former case,e9 the Intel E-net cards in the second, or the Adaptec 1740.w  C It is a real swamp. Does anyone know the HW revs, firmware and biosnE versions in there generic PC? Or think you have a chance of getting a D specific rev replacment or extra units of something you do have?  So8 how do you support stuff when you don't know what it is!  C I thnk the Q needs to look seriously at a branding program of cards%1 and stuff. Like the old 'Net Ware ready' of yore.n  C The 'VMSable' program would give the vendors VMS and T64 as markets.F and a strong in, not only in other Compa systems but in many others. IE knew of many cases of PC purchase that HAD to be NW stamped or it was F not even looked at. They used NO Novell, but insisted on a first level, bar to sort the crap from the just ordinary!  A Now this costs a bundle, and no one is going to do it unless theylF think they will gain out of it. But, it was seen as worth doing in theF past with NW, and vendors seemed to think it was worth it.  Even thoseC who hate DEC with a passion openly admit to their good engineering,mC and put VMS at the top of that. And that should be leveragable into   a usefull and profitable result.   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.r@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:34:38 -0500 (EST)e6 From: Horst Drechsel <ai05@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de>. Subject: How to create new NFS$SERVER logfile?< Message-ID: <009F7AB2.99276DDC.5@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de>   Hi all,e  3    Details: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on AlphaStation 400 4/233              TCPIP 5.0A  " Eventually our NFS server logfile:  F             SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$NFS]:TCPIP$NFS_'host'_LOGFILE.LOG;898  D is growing to a large extent (due to errors while running BACKUPs on nfs-mounted PC disks).  E    A new version of this logfile is created at boot time, but I wouldtG like to purge this file as needed during run time of our cluster serveriG as well. I have tried to delete this file after having disabled servicei0 nfs, but the file remains open. I have also used  i.             sys$manager:tcpip$nfs_shutdown.com  G then tried to delete the logfile before restarting the nfs$server againe7 with sys$system:tcpip$nfs_run.com, but without success.n  <    What is the recommended way to change to a new version of: TCPIP$NFS_'host'_LOGFILE.LOG without rebooting the system?H Alternatively, is it possible to prevent error logging of the nfs$server completely?c      Thanks and greetings,  
         Horst      --M  **************************************************************************** )   Horst Drechsel                         eL   Dr. Remeis Observatory                 drechsel@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.deL   Astronomical Institute                             Phone: +49-951-95222-15L   University Erlangen-Nuernberg                        Fax: +49-951-95222-22*   Sternwartstr.7, D-96049 Bamberg, GermanyM  ****************************************************************************a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:35:57 +0100f, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>2 Subject: Re: How to create new NFS$SERVER logfile?& Message-ID: <3A8BB10D.2CD45193@gmx.ch>  2 $ pipe sh dev/files sys$sysdevice: | sea sys$input tcpip$nfsblablabla.log $ stop/id=pid_1F $ stop/id=pid_25 $ stop/id=pid_3    is a solution?   D.     Horst Drechsel wrote:c ../..e@ > I have tried to delete this file after having disabled service! > nfs, but the file remains open.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:57:25 -0500I' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov>l= Subject: Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?o+ Message-ID: <3A8BEE55.4117D21D@y12.doe.gov>    Ivan,i  K      Our company (Well, the one I worked for then, I'm still working at the M same place, but for a different employer since we were outsourced a couple ofiK years ago.) obtained an evaluation license for the RamDisk software producttK several years ago (I think it was before Compaq bought Digital).  It turneddM out not to help our situation and we did not purchase the software.  I am not K aware of any problems caused by not following through with a purchase, so IaI think you should be safe following the same route and deciding whether to1 purchase later.   
 Dale A. Marcye5 Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)D   Ivan Samuelson wrote:a > O > Thanks to everyone about contacting Compaq. That's what I'll do about gettingn > a loaner license.a > K > Does it matter whether or not if we purchase it? As I stated, we're doing.K > this to evaluate the product to determine if it fits our needs (I already E > know it will, I just have to prove it to everyone else on my team!)t > 	 > Thanks!o >  > --O > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ; > Ivan Samuelson                 * isamuels@columbus.rr.conlG > IT Architect II                * http://home.columbus.rr.com/isamuelsa5 > American Electric Power (AEP)  * http://www.aep.comuO > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-z   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:46:04 -0600 I From: "Adam.lewiax@integris-health.com" <adam.lewiax@integris-health.com>t Subject: hsj50 controllers?-. Message-ID: <96gnml$o8p@news-central.tiac.net>  L Is there anyway to communicate from dcl to an hsj50 controller.  Or is thereK a 3rd party product that will talk to the controller to pull information oro issue commands?   
 Adam E, Lewis2 System Engineer% Integris Health  Adam.lewis@integris-health.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:00:00 +0100k< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de> Subject: Re: Hummingbird Exceed 4 Message-ID: <96g2a8$l44k6$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>  + Bruce E. Haddad <haddad@neosoft.com> wrote: K >Does anybody know how to get Hummingbird Exceed on the NT to display DEC XuG >Windows??  If you do, please reply via e-mail as well as posting here.-  H 1 - Be sure to have a TCP/IP stack running on your VMS system. It's best; if you enable the REXEC service. Otherwise, Telnet will do.r  ) 2 - Enable DECwindows to use TCP/IP: edit.) SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM I (if not present, copy from the .TEMPLATE file of the same name). Find the @ line defining DECW$SERVER_TRANSPORTS and add "TCPIP" (eventually uncommenting it),i i.e.  2   $ decw$server_transports == "LOCAL,DECNET,TCPIP"  " Save it, and restart DECwindows by  %   $ @sys$startup:decw$startup restart   + (Beware that this kills all open sessions!)   * 3 - Download X_TCP.COM from my homepage at1 http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/x_tcp.comaG and store it in the login directory of the user you want eXceed to use.t  I 4- Open the eXceed Xstart utility, fill out the fields appropriately, andi  4 Start Method: RExec if you have it, Telnet otherwise! Command: @@SYS$LOGIN:X_TCP.COM @Ds  D With these settings, you'll get the old (pre-CDE) DECwindows Session Manager.  F For any other DECwindows application, supply its file name as a second	 parameterdK to X_TCP.COM (including the extension - X_TCP.COM recognized .COM and .EXE)D   And that's it.  < Usual disclaimers apply: Supplied as-is, no guarantees, etc.   Hope it helps,   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de  One OS to bring them all      |t( http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 19:53:12 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Re: IA-64 is Dead (Murderer:  EV7)e- Message-ID: <87ofw46u3b.fsf@prep.synonet.com>n  9 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:"  0 > > I don't want to start a VMS-on-Intel debate.  A > > However, if VMS were to be available on Intel (and IA64), howmF > > would Compaq's "industry standard server group" react ? Would they0 > > embrace VMS, or would they still ignore it ?  5 > I should think it would take a co-operative effort:-  B > The Intel-based server engineering group, to come up with a moboB > that can make up for the many shortfalls that the "VMS on Intel?# > NEVER!"  group keep crying about.)  E > Then, the VMS engineering group would need to implement the changesD( > that hardware people make to the mobo.  A Them some one would notice that the no-name $20 MB in their PCrap> uses a 'compatible' chip set.g  8 " VMS is rubbish. I crashes 5 times a day on my system."  E Don't even THINK of going there. For those who are sceptical of this,uF go get the papers from the DTJ on the original Alpha ( Beta and Gamma)% prototypes to see real life examples.a   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 18:19:08 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Itanium IS the Itanic- Message-ID: <87r9108d0j.fsf@prep.synonet.com>b  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:t  D > Most presentations I have seen have always pictured Alpha ahead of6 > IA64, although the gap would be narrowing over time.  B > However, Alpha has proven that higher speed doesn't sell, higher > marketing does.   F > So, how long before the IA64 starts to outperform the 8086 ?  Is theF > 8086/pentium nearing the end of its upgradable life ? Or could Intel- > still pack a lot more punch into the chip ?e  B Well, as well as having an IIS web deface job, Intel mave to pedalD like hell to, kill off the P3 and get the P4 ramped up, and keep AMD< at bay to stave off K7 onslaughts. And then the Iceburg, aka3 Sledghammer throws THEIR 64 bit spin into the ring.e  A So what's a girl to do? If they play coy with x86, P4 could wall--> flower, leaving them dancing with the ugly P3 and sisters, and? the prince mousing off with AMD. This would them leave AMD able @ to swing in their version of 64 bit as 'industry standard', pull= a deal with Via as second source for it, and leave the pumkinb/ at the door as a slow propriatery non-standard.e   -- @< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.F@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 18:42:56 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Itanium IS the Itanic- Message-ID: <87n1bo8bwv.fsf@prep.synonet.com>t  4 young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:  D > If you had stated IA64 instead of Itanium, there might be a chanceA > of that coming true.  Won't happen with Itanium.  Any idea whenVC > Itanium goes production?  Or more accurately ... any idea when ite> > was SUPPOSED to go production if viewed from a December 2000 > timeframe?  = Ah, is that the April 96 non-ship, or the Oct 97 non-ship, orH> the late 99 non-ship or there Q3 2000 non-ship or the Mar 2001 non-ship or the Q4 2001 date?   7 I think the only 'shipping' thing about it is the name.e  D > More importantly... any idea about Itanium's bandwidth?  RegardingF > bandwidth and interface to memory, is that shared or point to point?D > Why bandwidth?  Well , just how important is bandwidth to floating? > point or what is the relationship?  Are Specfp2000 codes more'8 > sensitive to bandwidth limitations or are SpecInt2000?  1 > To address some of these questions, let's look:i  D > http://developer.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/cn091400.htm > 3 > high bandwidth, 2.1 gigabyte per second bus speed   D > That my friend is salesmanship!!!  2.1 GB/sec shared bus bandwidthB > is a 1998 number and worst of all, it isn't even point to point.A > -Shared Bus- i.e. 1996 technology!  Alpha 21264 was/is point to" > point.  F > I'll be willing to bet (if you don't need 64 bit address space) thatC > your code will run faster on a 1.5 GHz Pentium 4 (3.2 GB/s memorys0 > bandwidth).  Have you benchmarked on that yet?  E > You will be better off buying a 2 GHz Pentium 4 when Itanium ships.eE > It will be cheaper and faster than Itanium.  Makes you wonder where C > Itanium will end up, eh?  You see... Itanium was about a year tooaF > late to even be mildly interesting... all except for DSP like codes.* > Itanium is a glorified vector processor.  C Yes, but DSP is almost == hard real time... And there you care LOTS-F about predictable performance, and worst possible case. And if you areD after a VP, then chances are you would prefer an n dimention MPU oneB for the same money, yes? Well, no joy there either. You would needB some sort of low over head inter node link like the Transputer, or something :|  D > Oh?  Well here is something I stumbled upon... changed it up a bitE > to hide the guilty, but it is still accurate, nary a number fiddled E > with... you tell me when they get the compilers a lot healthier howpD > do you think Itanium will do.  Tell me how Itanium will do against  > current P4 hardware.. ha ha ha    H >                   opts                compile time    s.c++        b.cJ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------I > IA-64 2x733MHz    -O2                 70 min        142.7         151.48
 > 1 GB RAMJ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------I > IA-64 2x733MHz    -O3 -funroll-loops  73 min        143.6         152.2c
 > 1 GB RAMJ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------I > HP Netserver 6000 -O3 -funroll-loops  25 min        247.6         316.2n$ > 6x700MHz 1MB Xeon -mcpu=pentiumpro > 2.1 GB RAMJ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------I > HP Kayak          -O                  14 min        247.4         213.1 
 > 2x733MHz > 512 MB RAMJ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------I > HP Kayak          -O3 -funroll-loops  18 min        251.2         226.1s$ > 2x733MHz          -mcpu=pentiumpro > 512 MB RAM  B > Higher numbers are better (except for compile times , unless youF > like watching a compiler run).  The code is several hundred thousand9 > lines of mostly c++ and tests CPU and I/O capabilities.o  D > Ever wonder why Intel is nervous about benchmark info getting out?  E Half the speed with twice the RAM and 3 times the compile time.  Nah, ? DEC marketing proved you could turn a difference like that intoe nothing at all.h  C > Yes, the compilers are RAW.  So when do you buy one?  Three yearssE > from now when the compilers "get healthy" ??? (Assuming they aren'tqC > terminally ill).  Fellows were kind enough to use a old equipmenth> > above.  Woulda been a blood bath if they had a P4 at 1.5 GHz > there... not pretty at all.a  E Sorry, they have had at least 5 years to get the compilers developed,rD or more. This is the underpinning of it all remember! So before theyF even started logic design, the compiler floor plan must have been wellF done, measured and understood. If not, it is a crock on foundations of sand. The emperor's new castle.t  E > It was exactly two years ago when John Miner of Intel made the boldtB > prediction that when Merced shipped it would outperform all RISCF > platforms... it can't even outperform stale IA32 parts and they will@ > hide behind RAW compilers until the truth is brutal to ignore.  A > Note: No NDAs were violated to snag the above information.  The'E > information found above is readily available on the World Wide Web.w > Gotta love it!     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.h@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 08:38:59 -05002 From: young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young)" Subject: Re: Itanium IS the Itanic3 Message-ID: <3wrB4qfNVlIC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <87n1bo8bwv.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:6 > young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: > E >> If you had stated IA64 instead of Itanium, there might be a chanceoB >> of that coming true.  Won't happen with Itanium.  Any idea whenD >> Itanium goes production?  Or more accurately ... any idea when it? >> was SUPPOSED to go production if viewed from a December 2000e
 >> timeframe?d > ? > Ah, is that the April 96 non-ship, or the Oct 97 non-ship, ort@ > the late 99 non-ship or there Q3 2000 non-ship or the Mar 2001 > non-ship or the Q4 2001 date?n >   ? 	I should deduct points because you are giving more informationsB 	than required... but yes March 2001 is the correct answer.  Ain't 	happening!i   				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 08:45:18 -05002 From: young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young)" Subject: Re: Itanium IS the Itanic3 Message-ID: <aaJUHpGDGz77@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  \ In article <3A8B52A5.1FAD3303@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:J > Most presentations I have seen have always pictured Alpha ahead of IA64,0 > although the gap would be narrowing over time. > R > However, Alpha has proven that higher speed doesn't sell, higher marketing does. > > > So, how long before the IA64 starts to outperform the 8086 ?M > Is the 8086/pentium nearing the end of its upgradable life ? Or could Intelr- > still pack a lot more punch into the chip ?c  C 	I have a couple arguments in there.  Summarizing one of the best..C; 	if Itanium can't outperform a Pentium 4 box, which will ben? 	cheaper, how in the world do you convince the world to load upv	 	on them?r  H 	I have a questionable premise there... Itanium will be outperformed by = 	Pentium 4.  We might want to debate just how questionable...r   				Robn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:04:30 -0600i+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> " Subject: RE: Itanium IS the ItanicL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0BDD536C@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]  > > So, how long before the IA64 starts to outperform the 8086 ?? > Is the 8086/pentium nearing the end of its upgradable life ? : > Or could Intel- > still pack a lot more punch into the chip ?e  I I think the real question is: "could AMD still pack a lot more punch intor
 the chip?"   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developere Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");* '*  *   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:29:18 -0300c) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brs" Subject: RE: Itanium IS the ItanicL Message-ID: <OF540248CA.3E5961FB-ON032569F4.005F8B4C@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  B AMD and Intel probably will install factories in Brazil (in time).8 A computer here is almost twice  the price of  USA ! ! !  9 The important is: disseminate computers to everyone, with* the cheaper CPU available.  = Itanium is "commited to servers", and people dont buy serverse- at home - except one crazy friend of mine :-)i  : Servers are for companies, and there are enough processors9 in the market. With a new processor, the cost of servicese= to the customers will grow, because the companies use to makea? normal people (customers) pay by the upgrades of their systems.a       Regards.   FC        < Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> em 15/02/2001 14:04:30             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comb      " Assunto: RE: Itanium IS the Itanic     > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]  > > So, how long before the IA64 starts to outperform the 8086 ?> > Is the 8086/pentium nearing the end of its upgradable life ? > Or could Intel- > still pack a lot more punch into the chip ?l  I I think the real question is: "could AMD still pack a lot more punch intoo
 the chip?"   Chrise  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developern Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");e '    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:56:57 -0800o! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com " Subject: Re: Itanium IS the ItanicD Message-ID: <OF947C411B.894C715B-ON882569F4.0061CE0C@foundation.com>  G I haven't seen any McKinley benchmarks, but it doesn't look like ItanictK will be much of a threat technologically. Of course, as you say, it's goingr  to live or die on its marketing.  K The Pentium 4 is a step backwards in performance per mhz, but its design ishH geared towards being pushable to higher mhz, so it's got some life in itI yet. It's more likely, IMHO, to be held back to give IA64 a better chance I unless the Athlon gets a second wind soon. The 1.3Ghz Athlon is running a H bit late, and the releases are getting further apart. Still, there's theJ 266FSB (double pumped 133) chips in the wings, and DDR motherboards are in the shops. We'll see.    Shane*          A JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> on 02/14/2001 07:53:26 PMt   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com= cc:=  # Subject:  Re: Itanium IS the Itanic=    H Most presentations I have seen have always pictured Alpha ahead of IA64,. although the gap would be narrowing over time.  J However, Alpha has proven that higher speed doesn't sell, higher marketing does.-  < So, how long before the IA64 starts to outperform the 8086 ?K Is the 8086/pentium nearing the end of its upgradable life ? Or could Intelh+ still pack a lot more punch into the chip ?a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:05:36 -0300a) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br-' Subject: MicroVAX II (blinkling lights)1L Message-ID: <OF3D894F29.F7828435-ON032569F4.003C7708@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  ; I never worked with a MVAX II. The first VAX I worked was aa9 brazilian clone of the VAX 750 called MX-850 from Elebra,a8 an electronics company with license to develop the clone' and DEC bought them about 10 years ago.u     The blinking lightsp    . http://www.chaos-hovel.demon.co.uk/uvaxiil.jpg   Regards    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:29:07 -0400E' From: Paul <pmosteika@evms.zko.dec.com> % Subject: Re: MIME$MAILCAP.DAT format?e0 Message-ID: <3A8BA163.4CC01FD7@evms.zko.dec.com>   Hi,   H MIME$MAILCAP.DAT follows the general format of RFC 1524. The file is notH created by default, for customization on a per system/site basis, (but aH commented out version probably should be generated).MIME builds a set ofD data structures from predefined program constants, adding the site'sF MIME$MAILCAP.DAT (and MIME$FILETYPES.DAT) to these structures for READ> and ADD commands, viewing and adding attachments respectively.    -                                 Paul Mosteikae  +                                 15-Feb-2001X    1 Here are sample MAILCAP and FILETYPES that I use:      $ typ mime$mailcap.dat  ' SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]MIME$MAILCAP.DAT;14@   #L # [SYSMGR]MIME$MAILCAP.DAT #   - also -- # SYS$LOGIN:MIME$MAILCAP.DAT  (user specific)n #a) #       Created 17-Mar-1999 Paul Mosteikai # 7 # Netscape handles .HTML, .HTM (and others if you want)M # ----------------------------
 # - for URL -d: #     text/html; netscape -remote "openURL(%s,new-window)" # - for file -. #     text/html; netscape -remote openfile(%s) # 4 text/html; netscape -remote "openURL(%s,new-window)" #  # A continuation line '\'S #  text/htm; \      netscape -remote \     "openURL(%s,new-window)" #l0 # X-View handles images ('*' = wildcard subtype) # ---------------------d # image/bmp; xv %s image/*; xv %s #  # CDA Viewer handles DDIF, PS, # ----------------------------6 # application/ddif; view/select=x_display/FORMAT=PS %s #:G #   ... Careful with .PS - security implications (file access,write...)n4 # application/ps; view/select=x_display/FORMAT=PS %s #k( # X-PDF handles portable document format( # ---------------- --------------------- application/pdf; XPDF %s #  #e
 # DECsound
 # --------7 audio/x-aud; sound -volume 100 -speaker -play %s; soundo #  # Applications we don't have # -------------------------- #application/doc;o #application/xls;t #application/ppt;h #n # In-Line Text # ------------! message/rfc822; TYPE/PAGE=SAVE %sc #m # / # Text  - Change the default to allow scrolling? # ---- text/plain; TYPE/PAGE=SAVE %s                      $ typ mime$file*.dat  ) SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]MIME$FILETYPES.DAT;12r   #p! # MIME File Type Information Filen #o< #       These entries are used when adding MIME attachments. #t # '#' is a comment delimiter #i
 # Example: # / #       Extension:    Content-Type:   Encoding: / #       ----------    -------------   ---------u #o. #       jpg,            image/jpg,      Base64. #       jpeg,           image/jpeg,     Base64 #x9 # Other examples can be copied from Netscape's MIME.TYPES  #1
 # DECsound aud , audio/x-aud , base64 #  # WAV .         wav,            audio/x-wav,    Base64 #  # JPG  jpg, image/jpg, Base64 jpeg, image/jpeg, Base64 #  #s # CDA Viewer # ps, application/ps, Base64  # ddif, application/ddif, Base64 #+ # PDFr pdf, application/pdf, Base64 #o   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:08:50 +0100 (MET)n From: system@physik.uni-bonn.dep# Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?t/ Message-ID: <01021509085013@physik.uni-bonn.de>l  2 I remember playing ???space??? on a pdp6 in 1966ff  7 the spacecraft was manoeuverd using the toggle-switchesp; on the console-board, which usually were used to put in theg boot sequences cono , coni ...B the display used was the famous DEC Precision CRT Display Type 340+ to all of you still known as the DECUS-Logol   peteru    N  =============================================================================7  Peter Kobe   Physikalisches Institut der Universitaet e< 	      Nussallee 12 ; D 53115 Bonn                          ?               Tel: (49) (0)228 73 3222	Fax: (49) (0)228 73 3220 )  	      E-Mail: system@physik.uni-bonn.delN  =============================================================================   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 17:58:07 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Re: Oldest computer games?e- Message-ID: <87d7ck9sk0.fsf@prep.synonet.com>t  ! system@physik.uni-bonn.de writes:p  4 > I remember playing ???space??? on a pdp6 in 1966ff > 9 > the spacecraft was manoeuverd using the toggle-switches = > on the console-board, which usually were used to put in the   > boot sequences cono , coni ...  $ SPCWAR (?) originallly on the PDP-1.    D > the display used was the famous DEC Precision CRT Display Type 340- > to all of you still known as the DECUS-Logo>  > Not quite. The DECUS logo came from the console display on the> PDP-1B. There was only ever one built. Sexy as hell though, in
 it's 60s way.    -- h< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2001 19:19:53 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.042685.killspam.00bb (Wayne Sewell) & Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items. Message-ID: <scu8p$+m5Et9@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  W In article <a%vi6.101$Z3.6200@tengri.easynet.fr>, "Didier Morandi" <dmo@ims.ch> writes:sF > Real VMS users don't use mouse. They use good ol' vt100 keyboard :-) >   J Well, some of us use a mouse only to switch between multiple vt100 windows (i.e. decterms)    :-)a     -- rO =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxp: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)eO ===============================================================================rB Cute Girl, to Curly: "Oh, what a beautiful head of bone you have!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:39:54 +0000b From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>e& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items) Message-ID: <3A8BA3EA.6A51D1DB@Omond.net>s   JF Mezei wrote:v  8 > You want promotional items that people will remember ? >nO > Some high quality condoms with the "VMS" logo imprinted on the condom as wella > as the caption:n& >         "always up when you need it"  D Nah... you'd need at least three of them for a resilient cluster :-)  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 18:06:18 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items- Message-ID: <87vgqc8dlx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:i  O > Some high quality condoms with the "VMS" logo imprinted on the condom as welle > as the caption:e > 	"always up when you need it"p  < Anyone got the saga of the woman who kept getting hitched to0 Digits? Some one told it at .au DECUS years ago.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 08:36:00 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items3 Message-ID: <HpRtq$absVHy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   M In article <3A8B4F25.4905@adldata.com>, sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes:-0 > The Microvax II did not have any blinkin light > sol   J It did if you count the TK on the top front, or you opened the little door on the bottom front.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group-E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:55:59 -0500-2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items7 Message-ID: <ieRi6.658$cu.2632@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>u   Dear Newsgroup,   L Thanks for all the positive comments.  However I have to be honest with you.J I only work to get you into the database.  Mary Ellen Fortier the directorJ of marketing MaryEllen.Fortier@compaq.com determines the giveaways and the* letter the thanks should go to her not me.  
 Warm Regards,t   sue     = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in messagey1 news:VWai6.633$cu.2490@gazette.loc1.tandem.com...  >a >h > Dear Newsgroup,i >sK > I have received a number of enquiries about the OpenVMS customer databaser > for promotional items. >  > Hear are some answers for you  >l > Why do we do it? > F > One of the points that we have heard from you was "please contact myH > manager/VP/CIO with VMS information." So we started a database project abouteK > 15 months ago where we obtain customer names from events, business cards, J > personal contacts and of course this newsgroup. This information is then putmK > into the database and then a query is done every 6-8 weeks and mailing isoC > done from Rich Marcello. Sometimes its collateral sometimes its aoE > promotional item.  At this point we have thousands of names in thish > database.p > ) > How can I get on the distribution list?. > J > The best way to get on the distribution list is to send me mail with theJ > following information (susan.skonetski@compaq.com) if you have done this andaJ > still have not received anything please let me know. You can also submit! > your managements names as well.  >e > Company Name >l > Name >  > Title  >  > Full hardcopy Address  >, > phone number >1 > email address  >   > Account manager if you know it >  > How your company uses VMS  >t > Warm Regards,C >e > Suel >o >  >s   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Feb 2001 14:20:59 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)r& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items, Message-ID: <96gokb$15kl$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  ' In article <3A8B4F25.4905@adldata.com>,o&  sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes: |>1 |> The Microvax II did not have any blinkin lightc |>  A I've got two running the lab next to my office right now and both  of them do!!  C Not like Univac-1100 or Borroughs, but they do have blinkin lights.i   bill   -- hJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:22:11 -0600 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> & Subject: RE: OpenVMS Promotional ItemsL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0BDD536E@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>    o   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@compaq.com]n  > > Thanks for all the positive comments.  However I have to be  > honest with you.@ > I only work to get you into the database.  Mary Ellen Fortier  > the director; > of marketing MaryEllen.Fortier@compaq.com determines the e > giveaways and then, > letter the thanks should go to her not me.  J Don't underestimate the importance of that database.  After all, what good@ are give-aways if you don't have anyone to give them away to? :)  K At any rate, I'm certainly happy that there's a "director of marketing" whouL knows about VMS at all.  I suppose a TV spot is out of the question, though,K huh?  (... not that I watch TV personally, but I know lots of people who doz ;)   Regards,   Chrisi  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer4 Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  's   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:02:57 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br.# Subject: Oracle RDB SQLSRV problems-L Message-ID: <OF2CCDA6B3.F965FC1E-ON032569F4.00577532@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  < I am having a problem with the Oracle RDB SQLSRV V7.1  . . .? The services and dispatchers are running but it is not possible.* to connect via ODBC to a specific service.  B So, I shutdown and restart an specific service and dispatcher, and the connection is posible ...r  * I didnt discover any .log of this service.  
 Any idea ?   Regardsi   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:59:16 -0500n, From: "McNutt, Larry E." <Mcnutt@timken.com>' Subject: RE: Oracle RDB SQLSRV problemsiR Message-ID: <DA88FF10ADA8D211ADE700805F6507AF05BB860F@ctnhemail01.corp.timken.com>  9 The default location for SQLSRV log files is sys$manager.!1 They are named SQS_nodename_DIS*.LOG - dispatcher # and SQS_nodename_MON*.log - monitorc hthm   Regardsp Larryc -----Original Message-----) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br5, [mailto:fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br]* Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:03 AM To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comi# Subject: Oracle RDB SQLSRV problemss    < I am having a problem with the Oracle RDB SQLSRV V7.1  . . .? The services and dispatchers are running but it is not possibleu* to connect via ODBC to a specific service.  B So, I shutdown and restart an specific service and dispatcher, and the connection is posible ...a  * I didnt discover any .log of this service.  
 Any idea ?   Regardss   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:36:45 -0500p2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)> Subject: Re: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer formL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1502010036450001@user-2ivec3i.dialup.mindspring.com>  
 In articleE <709CDBE6CA13D311B4DF0008C7EAD0C604443923@phsexch13.mgh.harvard.edu>,[2 "Forster, Michael " <MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG> wrote:    fH > One PCL string example of what I have to pass to the printer is (In my example,J > *27 indicates the <ESC>, don't know what the library control uses as the code):M >                 *27,"&l0L",*27,"&l6D",*27,"&l0E",*27,"&l125Z",*27,"&l-233U"i >  One suggestion:h  I Files that contain escape sequences are a pain to work with. Editors tendnF to suppress special characters in various ways (which is good) and theB TYPE on such a file is likely to do nasty things to your terminal.  I I prefer to build up such files in DCL command files, and let the command H file insert the module in a library, and then delete the raw text file. ( Something like this, using your example:   $ ESC[0,8] == %X1BD $ pcl_string = esc + "&l0L" + esc + "&l6D" + esc + ""&l0E" + esc + -  "&l125Z" + esc + "&l-233U"o $v $ open/write temp temp.txt $ write temp pcl_string  $ close temp $o. $ library/text/replace <library file> temp.txt $b" $ delete/nolog/noconfirm temp.txt;  G This kind of file is easy to edit, print, type, etc, but it creates theI1 module you need with embedded special characters.n   -- s Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:39:25 -0500o1 From: "Forster, Michael " <MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG>b> Subject: RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer formP Message-ID: <709CDBE6CA13D311B4DF0008C7EAD0C604443930@phsexch13.mgh.harvard.edu>  H Yes, I was planning on using DCL to inject the escape sequences into theD file, especially since I'm not adept at EDIT/EVE or TPU. The code is appreciated.  E I have a few more questions, so I hope you'll continue to be patient.sJ Libraries and modules for printers is something totally new for me since IA normally pass the PCL through applications and not the VMS queue.u  L I'm going to make a library, which will contain numerous modules for each ofK the pre-printed paper forms we have. So I'll have to have a separate modulerJ for each of those forms, and have the VMS form attached to the appropriate module. Am I correct?3  L I'm not going to use the default module, and will make a new module. Did theL LIBRARY command create the TLB file I'm copying to SYS$LIBRARY in the secondH command? Also what naming convention would I use for my_module_name - is that an alias?  B I was thinking of naming the "my_library"  and "my_library.TLB" as HP_PCL_CLAIMFORMS.   Steps:G Create PCL file using DCL to insert escape sequences, name it MMIS5.TXTeC LIBRARY/INSERT/TEXT SYS$LIBRARY:my_library MMIS5.TXT/my_module_namec7 COPY SYS$LIBRARY:my_library.TLB SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]/LOGD   Am I still on track?   m.   > -----Original Message-----B > From:	rdeininger@mindspring.com [SMTP:rdeininger@mindspring.com], > Sent:	Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:37 AM > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come@ > Subject:	Re: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form >  > In articleG > <709CDBE6CA13D311B4DF0008C7EAD0C604443923@phsexch13.mgh.harvard.edu>, 4 > "Forster, Michael " <MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG> wrote: >  >  nJ > > One PCL string example of what I have to pass to the printer is (In my
 > example,L > > *27 indicates the <ESC>, don't know what the library control uses as the > code): > > = > *27,"&l0L",*27,"&l6D",*27,"&l0E",*27,"&l125Z",*27,"&l-233U"O > >  > One suggestion:T > K > Files that contain escape sequences are a pain to work with. Editors tendTH > to suppress special characters in various ways (which is good) and theD > TYPE on such a file is likely to do nasty things to your terminal. > K > I prefer to build up such files in DCL command files, and let the commandeJ > file insert the module in a library, and then delete the raw text file. * > Something like this, using your example: >  > $ ESC[0,8] == %X1BF > $ pcl_string = esc + "&l0L" + esc + "&l6D" + esc + ""&l0E" + esc + - >  "&l125Z" + esc + "&l-233U"w > $l > $ open/write temp temp.txt > $ write temp pcl_string- > $ close temp > $s0 > $ library/text/replace <library file> temp.txt > $ $ > $ delete/nolog/noconfirm temp.txt; > I > This kind of file is easy to edit, print, type, etc, but it creates thes3 > module you need with embedded special characters.c >  > -- i > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.comd   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:24:33 -0500 (EST)o From: NWCAnglesey@aol.comE Subject: Print Serveri) Message-ID: <f4.747c066.27bd78e1@aol.com>s  $ --part1_f4.747c066.27bd78e1_boundary, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7biti  N Can anyone tell me how to change a print server. I have a new one but need to $ tell vms of the new Ethernet address  $ --part1_f4.747c066.27bd78e1_boundary+ Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit:  } <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Can anyone tell me how to change a print server. I have a new one but need to a6 <BR>tell vms of the new Ethernet address</FONT></HTML>  & --part1_f4.747c066.27bd78e1_boundary--   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:16:28 +0100 (MET),& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>5 Subject: Problems with DECnet IV and Gigabit Ethernet 6 Message-ID: <200102150812.JAA19280@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  G I have tried to use Gigabit Ethernet for DECnet IV without any success.aC If I set the CIRCUITE to state on, the circuite hangs in a substateaF synchronizing. If I try to set the LINE into the state on modus, I gotF the error message: "invalid parameter use, physical Ethernet address".H Does anybody know this problem? What's wrong with DECnet IV over Gigabit Ethernet? Any help is welcome.   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:47:46 -0500i+ From: Brad Hamilton <Brad.Hamilton@fmr.com>c+ Subject: Re: Question regarding Ghostscripte' Message-ID: <3A8AEEF2.D41955F2@fmr.com>e  
 Hi Andrew,  > Just ran a quick test, converting the latest SLS User's guide:  C $gs "-sDEVICE=pdfwrite" "-sOutputFile=disk:[dir]SLSD029_IGUIDE.Pdf"s1 "-dNOPAUSE" "-dBATCH" disk:[dir]SLSD029_IGUIDE.PS=  1 It works fine.  Invoke "gs -h" for online help.  =  B We are using Ghostscript for the same reason - now we can take .PSG output from DECps, and publish it daily on our CSWS Web Server, running:! on OpenVMS - no MS$ stuff needed!2   Brad Andrew Robert wrote: >  > Hi Everyone, > D > I just installed the Alpha OpenVMS version of the PCSI Ghostscript > application. >  > The install went perfect.aB > I set the logicals and defined a symbol to reference GS.EXE_AXP. > ; > The problem is in how I should use the ps2pdf converters.c > H > The scripts I found in [.gs.bin] seem to be written for windows batch. > 2 > Anyone have any ideas on how to get around this? > H > I am working to automate conversion of the PSDC postscript data to pdf, > format so I can web post performance data. > ( > Any help would be greatly appreciated.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:46:52 +0000R2 From: Andrew G Scott <andrew.g.scott@jpmorgan.com>' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How?g, Message-ID: <3A8BB39C.64C3F330@jpmorgan.com>   Richard   ? This was indeed the trick. I didn't look at BYPASS but used SETh /PROTECTION....   G All the other responses were similar in that they confirmed that RENAME H should do it but their default directory permissions must include DELETEH since no-one else mentioned that permissions would have to be reviewed..   Thanks Andrew     "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:1  G > RENAME is indeed the command, but it requires delete privilege on theuI > file, and directory files are by default protected against deletion, soxI > you have to elevate your privileges (BYPASS will certainly suffice!) ord$ > first change the protections.  See   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:04:52 -0500e+ From: Brad Hamilton <Brad.Hamilton@fmr.com>t' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How?-' Message-ID: <3A8A8274.8AFE2AA3@fmr.com>=   Hi,=    A *very* simple way to do it is:   $rename/log a.dir b.dirh   Brad   Andrew G Scott wrote:- > F > I'm new to VMS having moved from Unix and I cannot see how to renameE > directories. I looked at RENAME and SET DIRECTORY but could see thet	 > answer.  >  > How's it done? >  > Thanks > Andrew Scott   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 09:04:47 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>e- Subject: Re: Strange way to blow your profitsmH Message-ID: <y4zofomkww.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  3 bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   < > |> Cray is going back to Alpha?  When?  Did SGI sell Cray?? > I could be mistaken as I don't really follow it much anymore,o@ > but didn't Sun buy Cray from SGI??  I thought I even saw that 9 > during the early runs of discussing Sun's Ebay problem.l  J No. When SGI bought Cray years ago, they sold the business server divisionM (ex-FPS Systems) to Sun. About a year ago, SGI sold its Cray division to Terae% Computer, which has assumed the name.l   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:24:44 -0500@2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> Subject: tatoo7 Message-ID: <%MQi6.656$cu.2620@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>e  K Ok I have to be honest I have already requested a quote on VMS tatoos and I J am willing to pay for them myself (non Compaq sponsered of course).  But I( was going more for a shark kind of thing   SueC  4 "Doug W." <dashw459@aol.comeatspam> wrote in message4 news:20010213174807.12902.00001836@ng-cg1.aol.com...J > << > Now Sue how about something a little more useful here on the JerseyF > > short in the next VMS promotional giveaway like a VMS beach chair! >  >>h >@ >nK > How about a temporary tattoo.  A heart with "VMS or Nothing at all" mighte make! > a lot of sense on some beaches.r   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 08:36:42 -05002 From: young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) Subject: Re: tatoo3 Message-ID: <dIMz15Kogb+m@eisner.encompasserve.org>,  l In article <%MQi6.656$cu.2620@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes:M > Ok I have to be honest I have already requested a quote on VMS tatoos and I L > am willing to pay for them myself (non Compaq sponsered of course).  But I* > was going more for a shark kind of thing >    	Sue,   = 	I still have my Shark Tattoo (the painted on one) from DECUS5: 	LA 1998.  We're a hoping to get indoor plumbin next year.   				Rob:   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:43:05 +0000.  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: tatooH Message-ID: <OFA887370A.61C2D61A-ON802569F4.004B368C@qedi.quintiles.com>  H And there was me thinking that the only sharks were salesmen for Sun and
 CA........ :-)c   Rob Young wrote/quoted:vJ >>>In article <%MQi6.656$cu.2620@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>, "Sue Skonetski"$ <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes:K > Ok I have to be honest I have already requested a quote on VMS tatoos anda ImJ > am willing to pay for them myself (non Compaq sponsered of course).  But Ie* > was going more for a shark kind of thing  	      Sue, A      I still have my Shark Tattoo (the painted on one) from DECUS?>      LA 1998.  We're a hoping to get indoor plumbin next year. <<<t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:16:28 -0600o+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>  Subject: RE: tatooL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0BDD536D@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@compaq.com]a  = > Ok I have to be honest I have already requested a quote on a > VMS tatoos and I= > am willing to pay for them myself (non Compaq sponsered of n > course).  But Ip* > was going more for a shark kind of thing  I I find it significantly amusing that more than one person (independently)i  has come up with this idea. :)  % That aside, use the shark, of course.d   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developeri Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:19:57 -0600r( From: "Bill Ames" <billames@accunet.net>4 Subject: Thanks for the help, here is how it worked./ Message-ID: <t8nlog7q5qvde7@corp.supernews.com>-  I Thanks for your intrest. I did get it to work with the following command:   D zip -9 "-V" "-w" "-T" dest.zip SYSDEVICE:[BAMES] ZIP 99_222.EDI_SEND        &  Here is the  version and useage info:  F Copyright (C) 1990-1994 Mark Adler, Richard B. Wales, Jean-loup Gailly< and Igor Mandrichenko. Type 'zip "-L"' for software license. Zip 2.0j (Sept 16th 1994).    Usage: zip=="$disk:[dir]zip.exe"                3 "Bill Ames" <billames@accunet.net> wrote in messagel) news:t8mte716aqsp6f@corp.supernews.com...nH > I am getting the following error when zipping an indexed file.  I have alsoF > pasted the file specs.  Can anyone please help me.  I want to zip an indexed % > file so that I may send it via ftp.l >  > Bill >i > Error:, > 15 SYSDEVICE:[BAMES] ZIP 99_222.EDI_SEND;1F > zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file (did youD > zip warning: remember to use binary mode when you transferred it?) >1' > zip error: Zip file structure invalidd* > (SYS$SYSDEVICE:[BAMES]99_222.EDI_SEND;1) >  >m
 > File specs: 5 > 99_222.EDI_SEND;1             File ID:  (2368,77,0)l0 > Size:          234/234        Owner:    [40,0]$ > Created:   15-FEB-2001 00:04:01.45( > Revised:   15-FEB-2001 00:04:03.77 (1) > Expires:   <None specified>i! > Backup:    <No backup recorded>e > Effective: <None specified>h > Recording: <None specified>g5 > File organization:  Indexed, Prolog: 3, Using 1 keyo > Shelved state:      OnlineH > File attributes:    Allocation: 234, Extend: 0, Maximum bucket size: 2> >                     Global buffer count: 0, Version limit: 13 > Record format:      Fixed length 621 byte recordsa6 > Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control > RMS attributes:     None > Journaling enabled: NoneA > File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World:e > Access Cntrl List:  None >u >b >p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:59:50 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au ' Subject: Re: Try this on Linux or NT/MEr5 Message-ID: <01K05GKKP0C2009XSO@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>l   Jan Vorbrueggen wrotee, >Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:  1 >> I regard this as a modern urban legend in its   >shortest form.D6 >> No power outage in Ireland for that long?? I don't  >believe it.  * I agree with Christoff.  I doubt that any 6 country/state/area has been without a black/brown-out  for that long.  8 >This is Europe, you know, not the 'nighted States of A  >or the State of2 >California as in its recent incarnation. I can't  >remember having a general6 >power outage for the last decade at least. We always  >laugh when we see9 >those crews putting up the wooden stalks with the power g >et al. wiring again >after every little storm. >m. >On the other hand, the power sector is being  >"liberalized" in Europe as we5 >speak. Let's see whether we don't manage to emulate   >California!  8 Before I came to .au, I worked for the Generating Board 7 in UK for over 20 years.  What was there "liberalized" m1 was a rather malicious old bitch with her little  9 green-grocery ideas believing all her economics advisors b5 told her, and wanting to go into the history books.   6 Probably she has as the PM who most screwed up the UK.  5 From a distance I see that she (or her heritage) has t4 managed to screw most of the old institutions (read 9 "nationalised" organisations).  Yes, BR was a joke in my a4 days, but it has been denigrated to not even a joke.  4 Here, as in UK, New Zealand, parts of USA this same 8 fragmentation has occurred.  Regardless of the hype, it 7 means higher prices and massive power failures for the .. consumers.  Sort of similar to the cock-up in 6 California.  Some of the "takes" there are similar to 
 "takes" here.0  0 The NSW public is paying a large fortune to the 7 Victorian public for the cock-up of one person, acting 1 within the new environment.r  9 I have probably said more than I should when you read my t3 address, however, this is public knowledge and the  5 minimal amount I have said is my read on this public  0 knowledge.  I am not speaking in any way for my 
 organisation.2  6 I'll let c.o.v. know when I get dismissed in two days  time :-( or :-)i   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,w
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiaa   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  8 Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to  work for most people, 6 but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little  spam.x   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 21:48:37 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: Try this on Linux or NT/MEs- Message-ID: <877l2s6oqy.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ' paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:   B > I agree with Christoff.  I doubt that any country/state/area has/ > been without a black/brown-out for that long.e  ; More like your control centre that what they feed the greathC unwashed. East Perth is reputed to have never lost power since theymC threw an alternator-set into the river in the 30's :) It was a real ; power station then, now it is just the grid control centre.T  : > Before I came to .au, I worked for the Generating Board 9 > in UK for over 20 years.  What was there "liberalized" 03 > was a rather malicious old bitch with her little n; > green-grocery ideas believing all her economics advisors e7 > told her, and wanting to go into the history books.  c8 > Probably she has as the PM who most screwed up the UK.  ? Oh yes. I watched the slaughter from .BE! It was tragic to see.n  E BR is a joke. Well, they would be if they had a clue how to get theirg
 lips to move.a   example, try not to cry...  C Walk into SMALL village station in .be ( Waas'munster ). Two rooms,f? one staion master. Tickets, local NM - St Niklass, express SN -aF Oostend, ferry OS - Dover, BR Dover - London ( Kings Cross? ) LRT KC -, Earls Ct, Tazi voucher, hotel booking. Done.  > Go from London to Richmond(?). LRT to ?? then BR to...  TicketE counters are next to each other, but on mutual that's not us parts ofYE ( what ever bloody central Lon station it was ). No, you have to walk_F ALL the way around, then back... The bastards are sitting NEXT to eachE other! But no way would the LRT side hand a fiver to BR, and and passL the ticket and change back...e  E So leave with only LRT ticket. Arrive other end. leave station, standy2 in queue while conection leaves... 45 min later...  C The return was fun. We had gone over on the Hydro-foil. The channel-B was having a fun time, so no HF, and the sceds where gone to shit!E So, ord Ferry return. Just out ov Oostend, all rail pax are called to F Pursers office. Checked off by name, those with bookings are booked atF the counter, and issued tickets. The OO - Berlin express had been heldE for 3 hours... Told to listen for the disembark call, and to assembleE
 at office.  @ Pull in, plank over, and out we go, being checked off by name atE bottom of the plank, and at the train. 6 min later, woosh, we're off.d? This was about 1am... Conductor comes along, can't find ticket. @ "From Ferry?" Yes, he spoke english. "Where are you going?" I'll check it later...T  ? Half an hour later he comes back. Don't worry about the ticket..E "There is no one on or off at Sint Niklaas, so we will go through and B stop at WaasMunster instead to drop you off. Do you want a taxi? "  A So the Euro express to Berlin stops in the middle of no wherer ata@ 2:30am, drops 2 pax off to the Taxi the despatcher had rung, and. 5 min later we where out of the rain and home.    B Funny follow up. After leaving .be, the next time I was on a train? was Kembla steel works to W'gong. Got on, train get up to about B walking speed... Hum, running up to a caution signal. 5 min later,C stick head out window, and look done the 3 greens that I could see.a& Nope, this is NSW rail at full sail...  @ On the .be local 'rattlers' you get on, then grab something and ; HANG ON. They come out of the small locals like a sprinter, < diesel at full bellow, and pantograph spitting and snapping.; ( Yes, they use both power sources for the locals! ) If you-4 are not hanging on, or sitting, you WILL go tits up.  > They only do 120 odd kph, not the 150 or so of the InterCitys,+ but the ICs don't use rocket launch mode :)7  ; NSW? Well, we MAY get to the next stop tommorow... Shipping-/ stuff back here was worse. WAY WAY WAY worse...n  e --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.0@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 06:49:43 GMTr From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: VMS humor' Message-ID: <3A8B7C04.FFD0102E@home.nl>>   Dan O'Reilly wrote:2  $ > At 05:27 PM 2/14/2001, Fatz wrote:K > > > I just stumbled over another example of humor built into VMS (which InD > > > really enjoy). Thought I'd share it, because it's well-hidden. > >eK > >Reminds me.  The other day, the mailwoman came up to me and asked if I'deF > >seen my neighbour recently.  "Why?",  I asked.  She replied that my  > >neighbour's mailbox was full. > >uL > >My first thought was to suggest checking DEFMBXBUFQUO but I decided to go0 > >with, "No, but I'll mention it if I see her." > >e0 > >Ever feel like you've been with VMS too long? > K > No, but I remember being vaguely surprised when the speedometer in my car H > went from 77777 to 77778 and not 100000, back in the days when I was a > PDP-11 expert!  M I surely hope it was your mileage counter, and not your speedometer. Speeding:J along with 77777 mph over 55 mph highways is not so save, and will get youN into trouble with the police. On the other hand their cars are not so fast, so that is not an issue. :-))       >u >l > ------K > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ K > | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |tK > | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  | K > | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" | K > | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |pK > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:03:35 +0100X, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> Subject: Re: VMS humor& Message-ID: <3A8B8D57.84B08238@gmx.ch>  F (I know of someone who drove 61 on Continental Bd in Merrimack, and he. was out of Digital France a few days later...) D.   Dirk Munk wrote: > O > I surely hope it was your mileage counter, and not your speedometer. Speeding L > along with 77777 mph over 55 mph highways is not so save, and will get you > into trouble with the police.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:23:37 -0500i+ From: Brendan Welch <brendan_welch@uml.edu>3 Subject: Re: VMS humor& Message-ID: <3A8BE669.B712FF0@uml.edu>   >o >aK > No, but I remember being vaguely surprised when the speedometer in my carlH > went from 77777 to 77778 and not 100000, back in the days when I was a > PDP-11 expert!  K Well OK, it is no longer _VMS_ humor, but here is a true story from the oldo days.i  N The computer guys went to lunch, at a place fancy enough that you had to check; your clothing.  One of the guys was given check number 101.   H After lunch, when they came to pick up their clothing, the person at the; counter asked him what his number was.  He replied,   "5" .)  . [for the uninitiated,  101 octal is 5 decimal]       --E Brendan Welch, system analyst, Univ. of Massachusetts - Lowell, W1LPGH   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:34:33 +0100 ( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL> Subject: RE: VMS humorC Message-ID: <2ABC8BB85FE5D411AC100008C7F37BC227D86E@wt15.wt.tno.nl>o  * I always thought 101 octal was 65 decimal!   Mark   -----Original Message-----2 From: Brendan Welch [mailto:brendan_welch@uml.edu]' Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 15:24  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms Subject: Re: VMS humor     >- >-K > No, but I remember being vaguely surprised when the speedometer in my carnH > went from 77777 to 77778 and not 100000, back in the days when I was a > PDP-11 expert!  K Well OK, it is no longer _VMS_ humor, but here is a true story from the old  days.i  N The computer guys went to lunch, at a place fancy enough that you had to check; your clothing.  One of the guys was given check number 101.r  H After lunch, when they came to pick up their clothing, the person at the; counter asked him what his number was.  He replied,   "5" .u  . [for the uninitiated,  101 octal is 5 decimal]       --E Brendan Welch, system analyst, Univ. of Massachusetts - Lowell, W1LPGy   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:01:52 -0500h+ From: Brendan Welch <brendan_welch@uml.edu>- Subject: Re: VMS humor' Message-ID: <3A8BEF5F.9A36AE98@uml.edu>s   Brendan Welch wrote:   > >> > >jM > > No, but I remember being vaguely surprised when the speedometer in my carvJ > > went from 77777 to 77778 and not 100000, back in the days when I was a > > PDP-11 expert! >sM > Well OK, it is no longer _VMS_ humor, but here is a true story from the oldf > days.  >CP > The computer guys went to lunch, at a place fancy enough that you had to check= > your clothing.  One of the guys was given check number 101.g >lJ > After lunch, when they came to pick up their clothing, the person at the= > counter asked him what his number was.  He replied,   "5" .  >p0 > [for the uninitiated,  101 octal is 5 decimal] >i > --G > Brendan Welch, system analyst, Univ. of Massachusetts - Lowell, W1LPG-   oops:     canellis@al.brooks.af.mil wrote:  
 > Brendan, >m: >         I hate to be picky, but 5 decimal is 101 binary. > 101 octal is 65 decimal.  L You are very correct.  I was out to lunch; just remembered it was a guy from& Control Data Corp., in the octal days.       --E Brendan Welch, system analyst, Univ. of Massachusetts - Lowell, W1LPG    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:56:15 -0500t  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com Subject: Re: VMS humor4 Message-ID: <C22569F4.0056BF9A.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  J Brendan, This post of yours did nothing for the reputation of UMass Lowell ;-)  .P The world is divided into three groups, those who can count and those who can't.        / brendan_welch@uml.edu on 02/15/2001 10:01:52 AM-   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com6 cc:0 Subject:  Re: VMS humor>         Brendan Welch wrote:   > >e > > M > > No, but I remember being vaguely surprised when the speedometer in my car J > > went from 77777 to 77778 and not 100000, back in the days when I was a > > PDP-11 expert! >.M > Well OK, it is no longer _VMS_ humor, but here is a true story from the oldt > days.a >mP > The computer guys went to lunch, at a place fancy enough that you had to check= > your clothing.  One of the guys was given check number 101.I >iJ > After lunch, when they came to pick up their clothing, the person at the= > counter asked him what his number was.  He replied,   "5" .- >-0 > [for the uninitiated,  101 octal is 5 decimal] >0 > --G > Brendan Welch, system analyst, Univ. of Massachusetts - Lowell, W1LPG-   oops:D    canellis@al.brooks.af.mil wrote:  
 > Brendan, >.: >         I hate to be picky, but 5 decimal is 101 binary. > 101 octal is 65 decimal.  L You are very correct.  I was out to lunch; just remembered it was a guy from& Control Data Corp., in the octal days.       --E Brendan Welch, system analyst, Univ. of Massachusetts - Lowell, W1LPGa   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:32:03 -0800p1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com>  Subject: RE: VMS humorQ Message-ID: <7DF45F22D904D31192EE00805F578DF2018BC739@ny-exchange1.maintech1.com>p  7 101 Octal?  You mean binary.  	101 Octal is 65 decimal.t   Mike Farrell   > -----Original Message-----2 > From:	Brendan Welch [SMTP:brendan_welch@uml.edu]+ > Sent:	Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:24 AM@ > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject:	Re: VMS humor >  > >. > >sI > > No, but I remember being vaguely surprised when the speedometer in myd > cariJ > > went from 77777 to 77778 and not 100000, back in the days when I was a > > PDP-11 expert! > I > Well OK, it is no longer _VMS_ humor, but here is a true story from the  > old9 > days.l > J > The computer guys went to lunch, at a place fancy enough that you had to > checkr= > your clothing.  One of the guys was given check number 101.i > J > After lunch, when they came to pick up their clothing, the person at the= > counter asked him what his number was.  He replied,   "5" .e > 0 > [for the uninitiated,  101 octal is 5 decimal] >  >  >  > --G > Brendan Welch, system analyst, Univ. of Massachusetts - Lowell, W1LPG  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:11:12 +0000[ From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>i Subject: Re: VMS Umbrellaa) Message-ID: <3A8B9D31.675F482F@Omond.net>i  % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:e  N > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza >EO > Perhaps if my beloved Coventry City escape the relegation trapdoor again this Q > season, Compaq might be willing to cough up for some shirt sponsorship. OpenVMSeL > emblazoned across the shirt with the logo would be good, and having the OS7 > associated with a team that never goes down either...d >  > ;^Dt >: > Steve Spires > Q > [For those who don't know, Coventry City have never been relegated from the tope > flight in British football]e  3 Correction: English football, not British football.i  N I doubt very much that associating VMS with Coventry City would at the present moment be a "Good Thing" ;-)  	 Roy Omondt Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:39:01 +0010e% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auo Subject: Re: VMS Umbrellan5 Message-ID: <01K05HX6I8AQ009ZZP@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>e  & Steve Spires (Mr Coventry City) wrote:  0 >Perhaps if my beloved Coventry City escape the  >relegation trapdoor again this 6 >season, Compaq might be willing to cough up for some  >shirt sponsorship. OpenVMS.4 >emblazoned across the shirt with the logo would be  >good, and having the OS6 >associated with a team that never goes down either... >  >;^D > 
 >Steve Spireso > 5 >[For those who don't know, Coventry City have never . >been relegated from the top >flight in British football]  # Go for Norwich (the underdogs :-( )u3 Are you sure of this non-relegation -- '50s or 60s?t  7 Similar to an earlier post from a .nz (which continent i4 are these guys on :-)??, I have no balls or pluvium 6 avoiding apparatuses.  I did write to Sue a while ago.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,n
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiat   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  8 Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to  work for most people,e6 but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little  spam.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:26:34 -0600t* From: Guy R Spangler <grspangler@ualr.edu> Subject: Re: VMS Umbrellad( Message-ID: <3A8BE71A.4851A604@ualr.edu>  2 Compaq sponsors the Williams Formula1 racing team.  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:s  M > Why have football when you could have Swindon Phoenix Ice Hockey team beings > sponsored by Compaq?& > "OpenVMS - The Phoenix of Computing"J > "OpenVMS - Tough enough to compete with Champions"  (Swindon Phoenix are > ELPD Champions this year)o >S > William Webb commented: K > >>>I'll go for that if we could order authentic football jerseys from theo > VMS portal....<<<.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 08:42:36 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?3 Message-ID: <O2j3$ZnZRI$Q@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  o In article <K1OxM$jVnD05@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:u > B > Easier than Ada.  Just keep adding dots until you get an ACCVIO, > then remove  one dot  :-)t  E I have to admit, I've never seen a BLISS compiler ACCVIO, just my own  code.i  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationu= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group1E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying"   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2001 08:38:10 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?3 Message-ID: <Vd4Ys7k2tg+c@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  \ In article <87hf1xyq8q.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:8 > koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > B >> You had BLISS code that compiled without ever reading the docs? > B > Spelling alert....                                          ^^^^ >  > You miss-spelled DOTS. ;)a >   ( Nope, "A = B + C;" compiles just fine.    8 You don't need the dots 'till you want it to work right.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationt= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupiE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingr   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:55:51 +0100 , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch># Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.comt& Message-ID: <3A8B8B87.AFE2E76F@gmx.ch>   > "Webb, William W" wrote: > E > I just clicked on the VMS FAQ link (the main link not the frames ori > text links. > underneath it and got the following message: >  > Service Unavailablee > HTTP status code: 503o > $ > %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed  B %SYSTEM-F-DEVFULL, Device full, insufficient space for allocation? :-)(   D. --+ http://didier.morandi.free.fr/index_us.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:57:29 +0100i, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch># Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.comt& Message-ID: <3A8B8BE9.CC27D309@gmx.ch>  ! Power cycle resets file versions?  Is this a new VMS feature?   D.   warren sander wrote: > M > The server log file got to version 32768 and couldn't make any more. That'st > oneap > of the problems with a reliable server. It's been up since october > (planned power cycle at the hosting site)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:53:38 -0700r  From: l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com Subject: www.openvms.compaq.coms. Message-ID: <01021507533804@lto.locktrack.com>  F > The server log file got to version 32768 and couldn't make any more.  L Hmm... Maybe it's time to suggest a new VMS/Files-11 enhancement, a new fileM attribute which in effect says "If file version reaches max 32768, then auto-bF purge and reset version to ;1"?  Useful mostly for log-files which areK "unattended". If a sys-mgr hasn't taken steps (com-files) to deal with thismK eventuality explicitly, it's likely that these log-file contents are *nevernO being read or used*, so loss of information at "auto-purge/reset" time probablyl wouldn't matter.  K On second thought, since the application habit of "writing lots of log-dataiH into file which nobody ever looks at" seems to derive mainly from a unixH and/or windows developer's mentality, and since these OS environments doE *not* support a ;V-multiversion file system, it's apparent that theseaF log-files are intended to be overwritten on re-open anyway.  Perhaps aJ suggested new Files-11 attribute should be "Stick to or reuse version ;1",H kind'a like Pathwork's setting all files in a share to /VERSION_LIMIT=1,- but without actually advancing the ;V number.   J Of course, in the absence of these hypothetical "features" (which may haveG more downsides than benefits... I've really not thought it through very.H far) the folks who port a server application to VMS *should* provide theD additional scripts to take care of this, i.e., manage log-files in aI multi-version environment.  If they don't, then the sys-mgr must... Afterr- all, it's just a bit of DCL/com-file support.s   Lorino   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:23:45 -0500t1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com>:# Subject: RE: www.openvms.compaq.comxQ Message-ID: <7DF45F22D904D31192EE00805F578DF2018BC738@ny-exchange1.maintech1.com>   I As an enhancement to File-11, how about treating the version number as an9L unsigned integer and then we could have 65535 versions which wouldd put this, kind of a problem off for a lot longer time.   Mike Farrell     > -----Original Message-----D > From:	l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com [SMTP:l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com]+ > Sent:	Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:54 AMr > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0! > Subject:	www.openvms.compaq.com2 > H > > The server log file got to version 32768 and couldn't make any more. > I > Hmm... Maybe it's time to suggest a new VMS/Files-11 enhancement, a newe > fileI > attribute which in effect says "If file version reaches max 32768, thenc > auto- H > purge and reset version to ;1"?  Useful mostly for log-files which areH > "unattended". If a sys-mgr hasn't taken steps (com-files) to deal with > thisF > eventuality explicitly, it's likely that these log-file contents are > *neverH > being read or used*, so loss of information at "auto-purge/reset" time
 > probably > wouldn't matter. > D > On second thought, since the application habit of "writing lots of
 > log-dataJ > into file which nobody ever looks at" seems to derive mainly from a unixJ > and/or windows developer's mentality, and since these OS environments doG > *not* support a ;V-multiversion file system, it's apparent that thesetH > log-files are intended to be overwritten on re-open anyway.  Perhaps aL > suggested new Files-11 attribute should be "Stick to or reuse version ;1",J > kind'a like Pathwork's setting all files in a share to /VERSION_LIMIT=1,/ > but without actually advancing the ;V number.  > L > Of course, in the absence of these hypothetical "features" (which may haveI > more downsides than benefits... I've really not thought it through very J > far) the folks who port a server application to VMS *should* provide theF > additional scripts to take care of this, i.e., manage log-files in aK > multi-version environment.  If they don't, then the sys-mgr must... After / > all, it's just a bit of DCL/com-file support.c >  > LorinR   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:34:47 -0700w  From: l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com Subject: www.openvms.compaq.comt. Message-ID: <01021509344737@lto.locktrack.com>  5 > treating the version number as an unsigned integer,a4 > then we could have 65535 versions which wouldd put3 > this kind of a problem off for a lot longer time.t  . With all due respect, "16-bits is not enough!"  A Anecdote:  Back in the early-80s, working for a previous employermA who made automated manufacturing equipment, we were contemplatinge= moving from PDP-11 embedded controllers to "something bigger"e: (candidates were mVAX IIs vs. some kind of 68000/HP gear).  A The general engineering war-cry was "16-bits is not enough"... towA which I posted this admonition on my cubicle's white-board, where : it remained for more than a year: "32-bits is not enough!"  > Point is, when dealing with integers, there's always something@ out there which will overflow the register. Solutions consist of? handling the exceptional conditions, not with just delaying thet" inevitable by "getting more bits."  
 cordially,   Lorin    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:53:53 -0500 1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com>e# Subject: RE: www.openvms.compaq.com-Q Message-ID: <7DF45F22D904D31192EE00805F578DF2018BC73B@ny-exchange1.maintech1.com>T  D I agree that 16 bits is not enough, but I thought that as an interimE improvement, that treating the existing 16 bits allocated for this asaE unsigned would give some relief for now.  Using 32 bits would requirerF involve an extensive amount of change to the whole file system.  Maybe better done in ODS-5?j   Mike   > -----Original Message-----D > From:	l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com [SMTP:l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com], > Sent:	Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:35 AM > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ! > Subject:	www.openvms.compaq.com  > 7 > > treating the version number as an unsigned integer,a6 > > then we could have 65535 versions which wouldd put5 > > this kind of a problem off for a lot longer time.t > 0 > With all due respect, "16-bits is not enough!" > C > Anecdote:  Back in the early-80s, working for a previous employer C > who made automated manufacturing equipment, we were contemplatingd? > moving from PDP-11 embedded controllers to "something bigger"s< > (candidates were mVAX IIs vs. some kind of 68000/HP gear). > C > The general engineering war-cry was "16-bits is not enough"... toeC > which I posted this admonition on my cubicle's white-board, where8< > it remained for more than a year: "32-bits is not enough!" > @ > Point is, when dealing with integers, there's always somethingB > out there which will overflow the register. Solutions consist ofA > handling the exceptional conditions, not with just delaying theg$ > inevitable by "getting more bits." >  > cordially,	 >   LorinC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:07:30 -0300o) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra# Subject: RE: www.openvms.compaq.comeL Message-ID: <OF105786C3.33317199-ON032569F4.0068F160@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   File System improvments ?a   Grow a disk on the fly . .  .f   Regardsi   FC        B "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com> em 15/02/2001 15:23:45             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       # Assunto: RE: www.openvms.compaq.com:      I As an enhancement to File-11, how about treating the version number as an G unsigned integer and then we could have 65535 versions which wouldd puts this, kind of a problem off for a lot longer time.   Mike Farrell     > -----Original Message-----F > From:   l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com [SMTP:l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com]- > Sent:   Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:54 AM  > To:     Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu% > Subject:     www.openvms.compaq.com- > H > > The server log file got to version 32768 and couldn't make any more. >oI > Hmm... Maybe it's time to suggest a new VMS/Files-11 enhancement, a new  > fileI > attribute which in effect says "If file version reaches max 32768, thend > auto-5H > purge and reset version to ;1"?  Useful mostly for log-files which areH > "unattended". If a sys-mgr hasn't taken steps (com-files) to deal with > thisF > eventuality explicitly, it's likely that these log-file contents are > *neverH > being read or used*, so loss of information at "auto-purge/reset" time
 > probably > wouldn't matter. > D > On second thought, since the application habit of "writing lots of
 > log-dataJ > into file which nobody ever looks at" seems to derive mainly from a unixJ > and/or windows developer's mentality, and since these OS environments doG > *not* support a ;V-multiversion file system, it's apparent that thesesH > log-files are intended to be overwritten on re-open anyway.  Perhaps aG > suggested new Files-11 attribute should be "Stick to or reuse versionc ;1",J > kind'a like Pathwork's setting all files in a share to /VERSION_LIMIT=1,/ > but without actually advancing the ;V number.a >sG > Of course, in the absence of these hypothetical "features" (which mayo haveI > more downsides than benefits... I've really not thought it through verydJ > far) the folks who port a server application to VMS *should* provide theF > additional scripts to take care of this, i.e., manage log-files in aK > multi-version environment.  If they don't, then the sys-mgr must... AfterR/ > all, it's just a bit of DCL/com-file support.8 >5 > LorinC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:24:19 +0000l  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com# Subject: RE: www.openvms.compaq.commH Message-ID: <OF66A64630.FFEFCEB0-ON802569F4.00649895@qedi.quintiles.com>  F I know of at least one person that relies upon the ability to set fileJ version numbers to the maximum so that log files AREN'T created.  It's notH the general case but it can be useful in some environments which have toK keep running no matter what.  Disks can fill up quite easily with log files_G if you let them continue being created without putting a check on them.h  H I think the case of the web site is an excellent example of why the fileJ version limit should stay as it is.  The fault was easily tracked down andD corrected whereas letting files fill a disk up can take some time toI correct (see the various threads in c.o.v. in recent months of why deletef *.*;* takes the time it does).  K Plus, if you don't look at your log files then why create them in the firstcF place?  If something hits the fan then you won't be able to say in allG confidence that the event isn't normal if you don't know what's normal.c Steve.  I >>>As an enhancement to File-11, how about treating the version number aso anG unsigned integer and then we could have 65535 versions which wouldd putl this/ kind of a problem off for a lot longer time.<<<o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:38:03 +0000g From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>e5 Subject: [change topic] First VMS cluster in Europe ?h) Message-ID: <3A8BA37C.67460CD8@Omond.net>    Paul Repacholi wrote:   + > Jim Melhhop <mehlhop@mehlhop.org> writes:^ > E > > >Were there clusters 18 years ago?? (Really, this is a legitimate  > > >question.)t >fK > > I remember supporting clusters I think, in 83 so that should be correct  > B > Near enough the first apearance of clusters was the end of 83 at2 > Fall DECUS. Don't think it even had a V4 number. >nE > I was told in Jan '85 by DEC that the pair of 750s John Jackson and-F > I had clustered where the first in Europe. I would have thought CERN+ > or the city would have been well ahead...g   Nope !  G We had a cluster of two 780's plus HSC50 up and running in January '84.r? That was at the EMBL (European Molecular Biology Laboratory) intD Heidelberg.  I was system manager.  IIRC that predated the launch of the 750.  	 Roy Omonds Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:36:23 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com9 Subject: Re: [change topic] First VMS cluster in Europe ? H Message-ID: <OF3DC30C1C.C9F2AF34-ON802569F4.00451E7F@qedi.quintiles.com>  E It could be that both are right.  The first cluster in Europe was not E necessarily the first pair of 750s that were clustered in Europe.....    Roy Omond quoted & wrote:  >>>Paul Repacholi wrote:  + > Jim Melhhop <mehlhop@mehlhop.org> writes:  >iE > > >Were there clusters 18 years ago?? (Really, this is a legitimate  > > >question.)r >mK > > I remember supporting clusters I think, in 83 so that should be correctt >iB > Near enough the first apearance of clusters was the end of 83 at2 > Fall DECUS. Don't think it even had a V4 number. >aE > I was told in Jan '85 by DEC that the pair of 750s John Jackson andhF > I had clustered where the first in Europe. I would have thought CERN+ > or the city would have been well ahead...0   Nope !  G We had a cluster of two 780's plus HSC50 up and running in January '84.D? That was at the EMBL (European Molecular Biology Laboratory) inrD Heidelberg.  I was system manager.  IIRC that predated the launch of the 750. <<<y   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.092 ************************