0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 17 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 95      Contents: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor  Re: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor  Re: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor  Re: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity
 Re: Authorize + Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences?  Re: ES40 upgrade?  Re: ES40 upgrade? & Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?& Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?& Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?& RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?& Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?& Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?& Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?& Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?( heads up - OpenVMS Technical update days Re: History of VAX releases 2 Re: How do I unzip a file to a specific directory?) Re: How to create new NFS$SERVER logfile? 4 Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?1 HOWTO: Disable MIME in OUTLOOK for mailing lists.  Re: Interesting feature... Re: Interesting feature... Re: Interesting feature.... Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.. Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.. Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.. Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.. Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.. Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.. Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.
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 Re: newbie' Re: no mail path to %smtp"fred@foo.bar"  Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing RE: OpenVMS and Supercomputing* Re: OpenVMS Bibliography (was: Re: newbie)5 RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form - Re: Plenum vs. non-plenum in the data center?   Re: Possible security hole in...9 Re: power-up via console (was Re: Interesting feature...) . Re: Powerpoint (or other) demonstration of CMS< Re: relative file versions (was: RE: www.openvms.compaq.com) Re: Renaming directories. How? Renaming directories. How? Re: Renaming directories. How?7 Swapping OpenVMS & Apps from one AlphaServer to another ; Re: Swapping OpenVMS & Apps from one AlphaServer to another ; Re: Swapping OpenVMS & Apps from one AlphaServer to another ; Re: Swapping OpenVMS & Apps from one AlphaServer to another  Re: Telnet, yes; HTTP, no  Re: TFT > 18.1" with 1280x1024 Re: TFT > 18.1" with 1280x1024 Re: TFT > 18.1" with 1280x1024 Re: TFT > 18.1" with 1280x1024B Re: TFT > 18.1" with 1280x1024 / posts on topic / FAQ only 3 parts@ Re: Time and Rebooting OpenVMS (was: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com) Re: track STOP/ID  Re: track STOP/ID  TZ87 DLT Drive Connection  Re: UNIX write vs VMS ?  Re: UNIX write vs VMS ?  Re: UNIX write vs VMS ?  Re: Version numbers  Re: version numbers. Re: version numbers. Re: version numbers. Re: version numbers. Re: version numbers. Re: version numbers. Re: version numbers. vms documentation (RE newbie) , Re: VMS lock management issue -- help wanted Re: VMS Umbrella) Re: VMSINSTAL to POLYCENTER INSTALL tool? / Re: What databases are still available on vms ?  which shadow patch do I need? ! Re: which shadow patch do I need? ! Re: which shadow patch do I need?  Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A  Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A  Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A  Re: www.openvms.compaq.com Re: www.openvms.compaq.com RE: www.openvms.compaq.com RE: www.openvms.compaq.com Re: www.openvms.compaq.com Re: www.openvms.compaq.com Re: www.openvms.compaq.com RE: www.openvms.compaq.com Re: www.openvms.compaq.com RE: www.openvms.compaq.com Re: www.openvms.compaq.com Re: www.openvms.compaq.com Re: www.openvms.compaq.com  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:29:18 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor 6 Message-ID: <2kej6.40$fY5.313@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>     D   "1.2GHz Alpha Microprocessor with 44.8GB/sec of chip pin bandwidth  C   A presentation from the Alpha Development Group, Compaq Computer  /   Corporation, Shrewsbury, MA & Palo Alto, CA."       Available via:  6   http://www.alphapowered.com/alpha_tech_presents.html  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:30:11 -0800 3 From: Jeff Coffield <Jeffrey@DigitalSynergyInc.com> ) Subject: Re: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor 5 Message-ID: <3A8DC613.AE3F939B@DigitalSynergyInc.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:    > F >   "1.2GHz Alpha Microprocessor with 44.8GB/sec of chip pin bandwidth > D >   A presentation from the Alpha Development Group, Compaq Computer1 >   Corporation, Shrewsbury, MA & Palo Alto, CA."  >  >   Available via: > 8 >   http://www.alphapowered.com/alpha_tech_presents.html > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  N A presentaion on a new Alpha processor in a Microsoft PowerPoint presentation? Does anyone at Compaq have a clue?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:50:13 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com ) Subject: Re: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor D Message-ID: <OF7D1EB35C.D65429D2-ON882569F6.0009EF53@foundation.com>  F No, the company clue was handed to Microsoft in a technology exchange.G Compaq got a worn teddy bear with one eye and both arms missing for it.    Shane           G Jeff Coffield <Jeffrey@DigitalSynergyInc.com> on 02/16/2001 04:30:11 PM    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   * Subject:  Re: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor     Hoff Hoffman wrote:    > F >   "1.2GHz Alpha Microprocessor with 44.8GB/sec of chip pin bandwidth > D >   A presentation from the Alpha Development Group, Compaq Computer1 >   Corporation, Shrewsbury, MA & Palo Alto, CA."  >  >   Available via: > 8 >   http://www.alphapowered.com/alpha_tech_presents.html > 4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  @ A presentaion on a new Alpha processor in a Microsoft PowerPoint
 presentation?  Does anyone at Compaq have a clue?    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 05:24:38 GMT + From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <public@kits.net> ) Subject: Re: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor < Message-ID: <qWnj6.14279$1%2.781272@sjc-read.news.verio.net>  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 0 news:2kej6.40$fY5.313@gazette.loc1.tandem.com...  F >   "1.2GHz Alpha Microprocessor with 44.8GB/sec of chip pin bandwidthD >   A presentation from the Alpha Development Group, Compaq Computer1 >   Corporation, Shrewsbury, MA & Palo Alto, CA."   B 21x18mm, such a nice chip layout... by the way, where do all these3 factory-test-failed CPUs go? May I pick up some? ;)    Kit.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:15:46 -0500 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity ( Message-ID: <96jqeq$bej$1@pyrite.mv.net>  ? Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org> wrote in message - news:mOgJpeaGjk3d@eisner.encompasserve.org... 5 > In article <Re17UWEfCX42@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 6 koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > > J > > Somebody out there must know how UFS handles this.  I never turn quota; > > on on any of my UNIX systems so I can't readily try it.  > H >   OK, I tried it.  Looks like the new inode gets the same owner as theG >   old inode, so the original creator controls it no matter where it's  >   linked.   J My impression was that the inode itself wasn't replaced, just had its linkK count decremented (so naturally the owner stays the same).  But in any case I this begs the question of just how a file owner is expected to be able to H reclaim quota charged for a file if someone else has linked to it, sinceK rming it just gets rid of the path entry (without, AFAIK, letting the owner K know that it's still linked elsewhere - though s/he'll find out soon enough 4 if the reason for deleting it was to free up quota).   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Feb 2001 20:27:43 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity + Message-ID: <96k2fv$a69$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>   ( In article <96hg22$fcp$1@pyrite.mv.net>,*  "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes: |>L |> My impression is that I've seen some reference to the ability to access aM |> file by its inode number in at least some Unixes.  Whether (if that memory M |> is correct) this also means that the file need not appear in any directory O |> is unclear (that would at least require some means of bumping the link count  |> to keep the inode active).   F Where do you think the inodes are kept track of??  fsck is designed toA take care of these orphan Inodes you seem to want to keep around.    |>  ! |>  The main point is that such a L |> > reference-counting scheme actually stops somebody from deleting her own# |> > file - not really a good idea.  |>  O |> I think that was the point of the discussion:  how to support multiple links L |> in some reasonable manner in the presence of a quota mechanism.  And as IO |> suggested, a possible way (and one with at least arguable merit) might be to M |> allow links other than the link through which the file was created (a link N |> tracked through any subsequent rename operations) to dangle if the creationH |> link (or renamed version of it) - and therefore the file itself - was |> deleted.   H Try looking at the difference between "hard" links and "symbolic" links.   |>  O |> That would (in VMS) imply that this 'preferred' link be identifiable at file J |> creation time, or when the created file was subsequently entered in itsO |> first directory.  And there'd still be the issue that someone other than the M |> file owner - someone lacking delete permission for the file - could remove F |> that primary directory entry (if they had appropriate access to theK |> directory) without deleting the file (unless VMS ties, or was changed to ? |> tie, Remove permission to Delete permission in such a case).  |>    D This is going to run into another difference between VMS filesystemsB and Unix file systems.  Files do not have a delete priveledge.  InA order to delete a file you merely need write access to the parent A directory (the reasoning behind this should be somewhat obvious.)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 16 Feb 2001 20:30:18 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity + Message-ID: <96k2kq$a69$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>   - In article <3A8C83F1.D529A48B@earthlink.net>, :  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes: |> Bill Gunshannon wrote:  |> >   |> >  F |> > Who owns it??  Under Unix, no matter where the links point to theF |> > file still belongs to only one user.  If I own a file, and createC |> > a link to that file that happens to be in your directory (with E |> > adequate permissions to do so, of course) the file still belongs H |> > to me.  If I delete the link in my directory, the file still existsE |> > because of the link in your directory, but it also still belongs J |> > to me and my quota would be charged for it.  How do VMS Quotas work?? |> > By owner or location??  |>   |> By owner, AFAIK.   C Which makes them exactly the same as under Unix.  It doesn't matter 6 where they are, they are charged to the owner's quota.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 16 Feb 2001 20:36:58 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity + Message-ID: <96k31a$a69$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>   3 In article <Re17UWEfCX42@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 7  koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: h |> In article <3A8C83A1.A69382@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes: |> >  M |> > Does not "rm" "remove" the file and all it's links? Do we really want to # |> > change the behavior of DELETE?  |>  K |> No.  UNIX rm removes one link.  When all hard links are gone the file is  |> really deleted.   True.    |>  K |> The current VMS alias scheme addresses the quota issue.  If it's my file   |> and I delete it it is gone.    I This can be done on Unix by using symbolic rather than "hard" links.  All J that would be left is a pointer to nothing.  There is one other thing thatH people here may not be aware of.  Hard links are limited to the physicalE device (obviously, since they consit primarily of little more than an E increased link count in the inode and a name.)  I don not know if the E VMS equivalent can span physical device boundries.  If so, it is most ( likel;y closer to symbolic links anyway.  K |>                              The only ways I can think of to work quotas I |> fairly on the UNIX approach is to charge everyone that has a hard link I |> or to charge the oldest hard link.  IMHO the latter would be a pain to 
 |> implement.   D The current system works just fine, thank you.  All yo need to do isE choose the type of link that meets your needs.  No need to change the 0 whole file system to fix a non-existant problem.   |>  I |> Somebody out there must know how UFS handles this.  I never turn quota : |> on on any of my UNIX systems so I can't readily try it.  J Pretty much as has been explained here so far.  What did you want to try??   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:32:43 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity , Message-ID: <3A8DE2CB.B2D06F2@earthlink.net>   Robert Deininger wrote:  > A > In article <3A8C83A1.A69382@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" & > <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: >  > > Paul Repacholi wrote:  > > > K > > What I find missing in ODS-2 is the ability to locate all the aliases a H > > file may have. An alias can be identified by either (or both) of two	 > > ways:  > > L > > o The filename.ext;vers in the header does not match the directory entry > > L > > o The backlink FID in the header does not match the FID of the directory  > > wherein the entry was found. > K > If the second test is false (i.e., the FIDs DO match), you may still have K > an alias; this can happen if the main entry and the alias are in the same  > directory.   I thought I'd covered that:   A > In article <3A8C83A1.A69382@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" & > <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: [snip]? > > An alias can be identified by either (or both) of two ways:     ...or did I leave something out?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:23:22 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1602012223220001@user-2ive7k1.dialup.mindspring.com>  @ In article <3A8DE2CB.B2D06F2@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"$ <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:   > Robert Deininger wrote:. > > N > > > o The filename.ext;vers in the header does not match the directory entry > > >rN > > > o The backlink FID in the header does not match the FID of the directory" > > > wherein the entry was found. > > M > > If the second test is false (i.e., the FIDs DO match), you may still havenM > > an alias; this can happen if the main entry and the alias are in the samee > > directory. >  > I thought I'd covered that:  > C > > In article <3A8C83A1.A69382@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"?( > > <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: > [snip]A > > > An alias can be identified by either (or both) of two ways:? > " > ...or did I leave something out? >   J It was a little unclear whether you meant to AND or OR the results of your5 two tests.  IMUCO.  (In My Ususally Confused Opinion)f   -- l Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comi   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:58:40 GMTi2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Authorize6 Message-ID: <4%cj6.28$fY5.354@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  r In article <XJ9j6.43186$gb1.1610032@news4.aus1.giganews.com>, "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com> writes:< :Recently, I ran authorize on a test ID on a test VMS system> :( this system was not under security ) and reset the Password9 :lifetime.  This got one of the sys admins nose all bent.  : 8 :So how did he know I ran authorize on the test user ID?# :ps- I have bypass on the test box.e     No offense is intended here.  G   There are various ways to trap hackers on OpenVMS.  I suspect I know uC   how you got caught, but I am not completely certain.  (On variouseE   local systems, you could have tripped any of differing triggers...)t  F   It would be better if you asked the system administrator for detailsF   of how you got caught hacking on the system, and it would be better E   if you "asked first" next time.  (Does the answer to your question eF   really matter?  Also please consider how folks might interprete the D   particular question you are asking -- you got caught, and you wantF   to know how...  It is best to work with the local administration...)  J   BTW, if you (try to) disable the usual mechanisms for tracking hackers, &   those actions can also be monitored.  I   On some OpenVMS systems I have had experience with, this activity would I   have been detected and caused the process to be immediately tossed off 0J   the system, all of the associated privileges pulled, and the username(s)I   locked out of the system pending a management review of the activities.PL   Depending on the sensitivity of the information on the system, the entire K   system might have been locked down as a result of the attempt, pending a e0   detailed review of the system security status.  J   If you wish details of the standard security mechanisms, please see the    OpenVMS security manual.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Feb 2001 21:12:09 GMT! From: Mark Hatch <mhatch@ics.com> 4 Subject: Re: CDE or the MOTIF desktop - preferences?' Message-ID: <3A8D97A9.69A59005@ics.com>i  w For those building your own Motif applications, there is a GUI builder available for OpenVMS. - See http://www.ics.com.n   Mark   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  z > In article <OF0DB3B1A0.48CAE82A-ON032569F2.00603082@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:E > >I am using CDE here in both machines (Alpha 4100 5/600 + 4GB RAM).q >m > Gimme gimme gimmep >cG > >No problem with performance anymore: I am connected at 100 MBits :-)- > K > Me too, for about a decade now. FDDI in my VS4090 is all that was needed.HD > And my PWS surely has a 100BaseT (just like most equipment today). >4G > >But I feel there is a lack of bundled applications in DECW to managewD > >OpenVMS..... What I do more is to run MONITOR, RMU, etc ... which. > >are character based ! Ok they work fine !!! > >,< > >If OpenVMS has a graphical interface, why not create more' > >management applications in Motif ???e >t? > You know, VMS has a GUI. Its called X11/DECwindows/MOTIF/CDE.- >-H > Have you ever seen and used $ EDIT/INTER=MOTIF, $ DSNlink ITS/WINDOWS,J > $ CONFIGURE GALAXY, $ PRODUCT/INTER=DECWINDOWS, $ DIAG/INTER=DECWINDOWS,. > $ MC NET$MGMT, all DECset tools, and so on ? >yG > I think, many such (hidden) features are unknown to us and maybe evensJ > unrequested by us. So it is no surprise to get some not developed at allL > or get others unsupported/terminated over the time (like PRODUCT recently)@ > If you want more of them, request it and make lobbying for it. >t > But OTOH,rL > Q could make demand for them, if they would deliver MOTIF and CDE with allI > the developed X11 (interfaced) tools added to the (manager) desktop (or-J > while we are there with all the new filetypes like .HTM .HTML .GIF .JPEGC > .JPG .PDF .PL .MPG .MPEG and so on added - with the correspondingrK > application defined - to the file viewer) so that we get used to it/them.o >a5 > The more I think over it, the more I like the idea.-D > I'm sick and tired of adding yet another tool or filetype to MOTIFH > (only to the system default - how to force users to permanently use itG > or to force them to regularly reload the system default and then redonE > their changes again and agaon so that they benefit from the newly -w= > by me - added definitions is a completely different story -h. > eg. deleting their private custom files ;-). >gF > So let's start lobbying for MOTIF and CDE improvements in this area.G > Lets have applications predefined in the desktop/sessmgr (better in a I > way which is totally separated from the MOTIF development - like havingdK > a scripting tool or a MOTIF/CDE system default file set) or at least lets L > have all X11 applications automatically register themselves in MOTIF (just/ > like DECset tries to do) !! I'm voting for #1e >.= > >And why there is not a MONITOR TCPIP if there is a MONITOR  > >DECNET ?- >-: > Because DECnet is tightly integrated into RMS means VMS. > M > TCPIP is an add-on, exists in more than one flavour and has it's own tools.sH > Use DECnet over IP and you get at least some of the advantages of thisE > integration back (like DIR, COPY, RENAME, DELETE, PURGE, filedates,rK > protections and last not least file attributes and maybe even MONITOR)...r >s > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 > > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:51:45 GMTS From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: ES40 upgrade?' Message-ID: <3A8D84C6.4A529F46@home.nl>e   Paul Repacholi wrote:s  " > Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: >-@ > > Don't know about the EV7 though, and I don't know if the newL > > architecture of the EV7 would be of any use in the ES40. As I understandI > > it the EV7 is basically a EV6x with a 10 GB/sec network interface forr > > inter-cpu communication. >i@ > The ES40 is about one thousand pins per CPU short! Hum, 750 of > em power and ground?   :-)) I hope not .>H What I'm trying to say is that to my understanding they embedded the EV6N design within this new 10 GB/sec interface. This means that when you compare aJ single EV6 processor with a single EV7, the EV7 will be faster, but not asJ much faster as you might expect or hope. But a multi-cpu computer based onM EV7's should be very powerfull. There the advantages of this design will come M out  In the EV8 this "EV6" part will also be replaced, so that processor will = be much more powerfull when you compare it with a single EV6.s         >u >i > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Feb 2001 07:24:59 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: ES40 upgrade?- Message-ID: <87elwyqkhg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>s    Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:   > Paul Repacholi wrote:t > $ > > Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: > >eB > > > Don't know about the EV7 though, and I don't know if the newN > > > architecture of the EV7 would be of any use in the ES40. As I understandK > > > it the EV7 is basically a EV6x with a 10 GB/sec network interface fore > > > inter-cpu communication. > >oB > > The ES40 is about one thousand pins per CPU short! Hum, 750 of > > em power and ground? >  > :-)) I hope not . E Forteen hundred and sommething for EV7, Fifteen something for the EV8r( I saw somewhere. Ah, I remember, go here  ? http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT121300000000   C Look at the table near the bottom of the first section. Sorry, it's>E 1800 for EV8... Both are 264 based cores thought. The scariest bit isoC shoving 250W at 1.2V in and out of the EV8. That's over 400A total.h   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:23:10 GMTu- From: tsm@palindrome.org (tsm@palindrome.org)i/ Subject: Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?)3 Message-ID: <slrn98ql2n.r0c.tsm@user2.teleport.com>   / On 16 Feb 2001 10:30:38 +0100, Jan Vorbrueggen s8 <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:" >"rocko" <rocko1@home.com> writes: >fO >> We are waiting on a couple Compaq AlphaServer ES40's to arrive.  How do theye >> rate? >fM >If they're the 833 MHz variety, they're the fastest processor on the planet.>  	 Not true.   I The Pentium 4 is faster than the 833 MHz EV6, at least at integer, and isr3 faster than anything but the 833 at floating point.t   SpecInt2000y -----------e 1.5 GHz Pentium 4 - 524  833 MHz EV6 (in ES40) - 518t 1.2 GHz Athlon - 443 1 GHz Pentium III - 438u 731 MHz EV6 (in ES40) - 352   
 SpecFP2000
 ---------- 833 MHz EV6 - 590V 1.5 GHz Pentium 4 - 549f 731 MHz EV6 - 405  1.2 GHz Athlon - 359 1 GHz Pentium III - 327d   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:38:01 -0600a1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> / Subject: Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?r8 Message-ID: <96jl1f$7ov$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  E VMS has been around for just over 20 years now.  UNIX has been aroundnC longer, close to 30.  So the age argument I often hear is weak when $ comparing these 2 operating systems.  H If VMS is considered "legacy" then what the heck word do you use for the "other guy"? ;):  K I've also noticed a change in the wind wrt to VMS of late.  Not a hurricane G as some would like, but a change none the less.  Its a good change IMO.j  J Gartner has some good things to say about VMS lately.  I've seen a few newL app vendors announce new things for VMS.  Cerner (hospital app vendor) has a 5 yr commit to VMS.o  H A few big new VMS systems have gone into stock exchanges within the past year.   F Our friends in the defense dept. asked for and will shortly be getting1 DII-COE in VMS.  That's a 15yr thing as I recall.e  G And the ES40s are quite the machines.  Switched backplanes, fast 64-bitkL CPUs, etc.  In fact, real fast with the new 833Mhz chips recently announced, w/ faster ones coming.  E VMS plays very well in today's SAN environments.  I look at SAN blockAL diagrams and can't help but think I'm lookin' at VMS clusters w/CI, only bigH difference is that "CI" in this case, you plug in rather than it being a passive connection scheme.  I VMS suffers more in marketing than in technical capabilities.  Its always H been top notch and innovative.   There are things you can do in VMS thatK simply aren't available with the other heavier marketed products out there.-  F Are there problems?  Sure there are.  There are problems w/everything.  J I'm more a half-full guy, so I might look at things a bit differently than the half-empty crowd.c  G I say go for it and  good luck.  And stay tuned to places like this andl> Encompass (user group).  Plenty of help available when needed.   Dave....  * "rocko" <rocko1@home.com> wrote in message7 news:es1j6.72711$Y6.21323993@news1.mntp1.il.home.com...  > Hello all, > I > I am Currently working at a hospital as an Operations Specialist.  I am G > Microsoft and Citrix certified and I do admin work as time allows.  AeJ > position has been created at the hospital for an Open VMS administrator. IiK > have done some research on it and have put in my resume.  I would then be L > promoted to a full time SysAdmin/Analyst.  I will still be able to work onK > Microsoft and Citrix technologies as that will be the front end the usersh > see. >eK > My question is what are the opportunities like for an OpenVMS SysAdmin ineI > today's day and age?  I know VMS has been around forever and it appears E > Compaq is continuing to support it and provide updates.  I was justa worrieds9 > that I would get this job and head down a deadend road.  >sI > Any comments would be greatly appreciated.  I should interview within ay > couple weeks.t >o >q > P.S.I > We are waiting on a couple Compaq AlphaServer ES40's to arrive.  How do  they > rate?  >  > Respectfully, 
 > Shawn J. >r >u   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2001 12:45:05 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) / Subject: Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? , Message-ID: <+JM7apdy9it$@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  4 In article <slrn98ql2n.r0c.tsm@user2.teleport.com>, 2    tsm@palindrome.org (tsm@palindrome.org) writes:   > K > The Pentium 4 is faster than the 833 MHz EV6, at least at integer, and ise5 > faster than anything but the 833 at floating point.  >   D    I thought I'd heard the 1.5GHz P4 wasn't generally available yet.    Is that incorrect?   F    Given the small lead it appears to show over Alpha at almost doubleH the clock speed it would seem the 1+ GHz alphas rumoured to be available; in a few months should be able to reclaim the speed record.   
 > SpecInt2000v
 > -----------  > 1.5 GHz Pentium 4 - 524t > 833 MHz EV6 (in ES40) - 518  > 1.2 GHz Athlon - 443 > 1 GHz Pentium III - 438n > 731 MHz EV6 (in ES40) - 352e >  > SpecFP2000 > ---------- > 833 MHz EV6 - 590  > 1.5 GHz Pentium 4 - 549e > 731 MHz EV6 - 405n > 1.2 GHz Athlon - 359 > 1 GHz Pentium III - 327    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2001 12:53:47 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)e/ Subject: RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? , Message-ID: <188Hsa2sKjA8@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  O In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284E00@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>, a0    "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes: > L >>>>> What are you planning to do if suddenly CPQ decides to stop OVMS ! <<< > J > What will happen if MS decides to stop support of Windows NT or Wiondows > 2000?  > = > What will happen if Sun decides to stop support of Solaris?C > : > What will happen if HP decides to stop support of HP-UX? > 9 > What will happen if IBM decides to stop support of AIX?d > ' > Stay tuned for tomorrow's episode ...i >  > :-)o >   L     How many of those companies ( or the predecessors they bought out ) haveL actually had their sales force actively encouraging customers to drop one of those operating systems?  >     Sure Compaq seems to have changed their tune - but I don'tJ think it's fair to ridicule customers who still don't believe Compaq could$ do an about-face on VMS at any time.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Feb 2001 04:00:23 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ Subject: Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?m- Message-ID: <87zofmqtyg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>A  - "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes:e  M > >>>> What are you planning to do if suddenly CPQ decides to stop OVMS ! <<<D > J > What will happen if MS decides to stop support of Windows NT or Wiondows > 2000?t   Or the nice judge does ;)   : > What will happen if HP decides to stop support of HP-UX?  = Tried HP support recently Kerry? Did they ask what version of ) Windows you where running on your HP9000?h   -- h< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2001 18:13:00 -05002 From: young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young)/ Subject: Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?r3 Message-ID: <kPbh9WrW+T$9@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  ` In article <+JM7apdy9it$@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:6 > In article <slrn98ql2n.r0c.tsm@user2.teleport.com>, 4 >    tsm@palindrome.org (tsm@palindrome.org) writes: >  >> -L >> The Pentium 4 is faster than the 833 MHz EV6, at least at integer, and is6 >> faster than anything but the 833 at floating point. >> g > F >    I thought I'd heard the 1.5GHz P4 wasn't generally available yet. >    Is that incorrect?g > ; 	This kind of search took two minutes, Dell sells a 1.5 GHz  	P4:  > http://www.dell.com/html/us/segments/bsd/choose_dimen_8100.htm     			Rob   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:47:56 +0000y) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>e/ Subject: Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?I, Message-ID: <3A8DCA3C.B52A5AD4@infopuls.com>   rocko wrote: >  > Hello all, > I > I am Currently working at a hospital as an Operations Specialist.  I amgG > Microsoft and Citrix certified and I do admin work as time allows.  AcM > position has been created at the hospital for an Open VMS administrator.  I K > have done some research on it and have put in my resume.  I would then benL > promoted to a full time SysAdmin/Analyst.  I will still be able to work onK > Microsoft and Citrix technologies as that will be the front end the usersl > see. > K > My question is what are the opportunities like for an OpenVMS SysAdmin in I > today's day and age?  I know VMS has been around forever and it appears)M > Compaq is continuing to support it and provide updates.  I was just worried 9 > that I would get this job and head down a deadend road.  > I > Any comments would be greatly appreciated.  I should interview within aa > couple weeks.c >  > P.S.N > We are waiting on a couple Compaq AlphaServer ES40's to arrive.  How do they > rate?e >  > Respectfully,t
 > Shawn J.  < While it's not my task to give you advice about planing your? future and of course I don't know the current opportunities and ? I'm not able to forsee the future opportunities I would look atp> the quality of work. Do you like VMS? Do you know the style of< VMS? VMS is very different from Micro$oft products. It seems< that you will have the chance to learn a lot and you will at8 least for several years have a working place because the> hospital ordered these ES40s they probably want to use several6 years. I think for a good IT professional it is highly> recommended to know at least one full blown OS with a rich set> of services and tools. If you don't like the UNIX style VMS is, the chance to make this experience. Take it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:53:45 -0500O2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)/ Subject: Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?CL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1602012153450001@user-2ive7k1.dialup.mindspring.com>  3 In article <kPbh9WrW+T$9@eisner.encompasserve.org>,e3 young_r@eisner.encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:i     D >         This kind of search took two minutes, Dell sells a 1.5 GHz
 >         P4:e  D Since I've never dealt with Dell, this may be a silly question.  AreF "selling" and "shipping" pretty much the same for them, or is there an indefinite "pre-order" period?   -- n Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comV   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:31:06 -0500t2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>1 Subject: heads up - OpenVMS Technical update days 5 Message-ID: <yJbj6.8$fY5.281@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>    Dear Newsgroup,c  K I wanted you to be aware that we currently have 3 OpenVMS Technical UpdatesRH scheduled.  One is Washington DC, one in Dallas Texas and one in London,G England.  OpenVMS Engineers will be doing the sessions at these events.s  & Washington DC is scheduled March 27&28    The 2-day event will be held at:  0 University of Maryland Inn and Conference Center  $ University Boulevard at Adelphi Road  ! College Park, Maryland 20742-1610h  I Location directions, registration logistics and agenda details are on thek! registration website shown below.r   www.compaq-signup.como  J Dallas Texas is scheduled for April 18-20th at the Sheraton Grand Hotel atB Dallas/FT. Worth Airport. More details when they become available.  ! London, England will be May 15-17.  
 Warm Regards,P   SueJ   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:21:14 GMTc1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>u$ Subject: Re: History of VAX releases2 Message-ID: <3A8D7056.5347B0F5@clarityconnect.com>  B Release dates may be obtainable but what do you mean by withdrawal date??   Nick Ogbourne wrote: > D > Can anyone point me to information that lists the release date andH > withdrawal dates of VAX and Alpha machines in the period 1995 to 2000? >  > Nick Ogbournel   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:39:32 +0100t2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender); Subject: Re: How do I unzip a file to a specific directory?a; Message-ID: <3a8d81f4.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>t  1 Richard B. Gilbert (DRAGON@compuserve.com) wrote:!% > Message text written by "Bill Ames"eK > >I'm trying to unzip a file from a command procedure.  I need the unziped I > file to be into a specific directory but it is unzipping it to my login  > directory.I > I have tried the -d command but that does not seem to work.  Here is myt > command usage  > ) > UNZIP -d TEL:FILE.ZIP TEL:FILE.UNZIPPEDe > <  >Y > Try:- > $ UNZIP "-d" TEL;FILE.ZIP TEL:FILE.UNZIPPED  >t1 > DCL uppercases the d unless you quote it.  D!=d.  B It does - but the C RTL lowercases it again. The correct syntax is     $UNZIP TEL:FILE.ZIP -d TEL:t   (as a simple $UNZIP reveals).8   cu,<   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de-J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:45:53 -0500n2 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net>2 Subject: Re: How to create new NFS$SERVER logfile?+ Message-ID: <3a8d75c3$1@newsfeed.vitts.com>n  L Don't disable the service directly, use the NFS_SHUTDOWN procedure.  It willK also kill the running NFS server.  The result will be that the file will be  deaccessed and deleteable.   -Johnr  C "Horst Drechsel" <ai05@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de> wrote in messagey6 news:009F7AB2.99276DDC.5@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de...	 > Hi all,s >i5 >    Details: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on AlphaStation 400 4/2336 >             TCPIP 5.0A > $ > Eventually our NFS server logfile: >fH >             SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$NFS]:TCPIP$NFS_'host'_LOGFILE.LOG;898 >hF > is growing to a large extent (due to errors while running BACKUPs on > nfs-mounted PC disks). >rG >    A new version of this logfile is created at boot time, but I wouldwI > like to purge this file as needed during run time of our cluster serveroI > as well. I have tried to delete this file after having disabled service 2 > nfs, but the file remains open. I have also used > 0 >             sys$manager:tcpip$nfs_shutdown.com >CI > then tried to delete the logfile before restarting the nfs$server again 9 > with sys$system:tcpip$nfs_run.com, but without success.r >p> >    What is the recommended way to change to a new version of< > TCPIP$NFS_'host'_LOGFILE.LOG without rebooting the system?J > Alternatively, is it possible to prevent error logging of the nfs$server
 > completely?  >w >    Thanks and greetings, >n >         Horstw >  >  > -- >uL **************************************************************************** >   Horst Drechsel >   Dr. Remeis Observatory# drechsel@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.den= >   Astronomical Institute                             Phone:  +49-951-95222-15= >   University Erlangen-Nuernberg                        Fax:u +49-951-95222-22, >   Sternwartstr.7, D-96049 Bamberg, Germany > L ****************************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2001 10:45:35 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)= Subject: Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?.3 Message-ID: <FsPL5cy6oged@eisner.encompasserve.org>   L In article <3a8c1723$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> writes:* >>CMS can't (couldn't ?)  handle binaries. > N > Completely false.  CMS has been able to handle binaries for a LONG time now.  G According to the docs CMS can handle any file on VMS except a directoryr file.e  H Due to it's storage technique handling changes to large binary files can/ eat enourmous amounts of memory and disk space.g  C I had to bump one user's process quotas many times because his boss3- insisted on storing a big binary file in CMS.i  I IMHO use CMS to handle any and all manually generated text files, such as A source or scripts.  Depend on being able to regenerate all binary  files from the source.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationz= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupeE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2001 19:32:43 -0500: From: malmberg@eisner.encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg): Subject: HOWTO: Disable MIME in OUTLOOK for mailing lists.3 Message-ID: <Zn2fSGHbI94Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  D There are four places in some versions of Microsoft Outlook that you have to turn MIME off at.v  8 The first two are on the "send" tab on the options page.  E The places for MAIL and NEWS are obvious, but wait, there is one morep+ check box on that page that overrides them.t  % Make sure that you clear the check onn  = "Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent".w  D If you do not do that, if you are replying to a message that someoneE "accidentally" sent in HTML, your reply will go out in HTML also evene if you thought otherwise.h  C And finally, if you maintain an address book for posting, make sure G that box for "Send E-Mail using plain text only" for sending to mailingh list like info-vax.   I Be aware that installing an upgrade or Service Pack to Outlook or Windowsr9 may turn any or all of the settings back to sending MIME.    -JohnM wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:06:51 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com# Subject: Re: Interesting feature... H Message-ID: <OF7B556766.CFAC0725-ON802569F5.006868C4@qedi.quintiles.com>  I The AlphaServer 4100 has such a facility, known as an RCM (Remote Console,	 Monitor). D Provided the board in the back of the 4100 has independant power andJ provided that the power switch on the front of the server is set to on youI can switch the system "off" from the console and then switch it back "on"r again.B You can also halt the system and get an indication of its internal temperature.F It is this board that provides the modem calling functionality for theF system as well so that a system manager can be woken up at 3am when an- operator has pressed the wrong button........   - Dean Woodward (deanw at rdrop dot com) wrote:eF >>>One of the guys from the other side of the building (Internet Svcs)A just got a new toy from that company named after our nearest starnE (Not mentioning names lest I awaken AH).  He showed me a feature that  I found most interesting.i  C This is a little 1u rackmount box.  It's console runs even when thesC system itself is powered down- in fact, one of the commands you canlA issue is 'poweron', and suddenly all the fans and drives wake up.   B Forgiving my ignorance of high-end Alphas, but do any of them knowA how to do this, and if so, is it a feature likely to migrate down B to low end boxes that might compete with this? (Say, the rackmount
 DS10 series)?   E (Of course, and OTOH, it's a feature for when your box isn't running, / so maybe not of much interest to VMS users. ;-)  <<<x   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:03:46 GMTq( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com># Subject: Re: Interesting feature...'' Message-ID: <G8v6AA.5s3@spcuna.spc.edu>d  ' Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:nD > Forgiving my ignorance of high-end Alphas, but do any of them knowC > how to do this, and if so, is it a feature likely to migrate downnD > to low end boxes that might compete with this? (Say, the rackmount > DS10 series)?q     Yes, the DS10 does this:   RMC>?C   clear {alert, port}s disable {alert, reboot, remote}e enable {alert, reboot, remote} halt {in, out} hangup	 help or ?- power {on, off}e quit reset 
 send alertG set {alert, com1_mode, dial, escape, init, logout, password, user, wdt}r status  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAl   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Feb 2001 03:57:29 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Re: Interesting feature...a- Message-ID: <8766ias8nq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>t  ' Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:   D > Forgiving my ignorance of high-end Alphas, but do any of them knowC > how to do this, and if so, is it a feature likely to migrate downcD > to low end boxes that might compete with this? (Say, the rackmount > DS10 series)?d  A The 'top end' stuff does all of this, as can the 4100. Hell, even-( my old Prioris can have it as an option.  A Generally in a RSM, Remote System MAnagment, unit in the smalller3< systems. The larger ones have a more integrated on standard.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2001 09:59:58 -0800* From: Paul Rubin <phr-n2001@nightsong.com>7 Subject: Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.o0 Message-ID: <7x7l2qik4h.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  . "Timothy Stark" <sword7@speakeasy.org> writes:C > Also, I still am not finished my emulator yet.  However, I now amp& > considering to release my unfinishedI > emulator sources and let developers to finish my emulator because I now M > realized that finishing my emulator is taking forever...   I do not have myPK > own ftp site at this time.  I am looking for new webhosting provider thatt( > offer both virtual web and ftp server.  D Tim, I do hope you release emulator source and now is as good a timeE as any.  But I want to add that I think you've done an amazing job of F developing it to this point.  The only other people who have gotten as@ far were very experienced PDP-10 hackers like KLH, and corporateF funded multi-person projects consisting of same (i.e. XKL).  My hat is off to you.y   Paul   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:25:50 GMTm2 From: Arthur Krewat <krewat@bartek.dontspamme.net>7 Subject: Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.f5 Message-ID: <3A8D8BB6.5B862A0A@bartek.dontspamme.net>i   Alan Greig wrote:e >  > > Does she do windows? :)t >  > Nah, just VMS ;-)d  / Notice I didn't capitalize the word "windows". S  3 DECW/Motif is acceptable. Especially after UCX'ing.0   art k.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:08:52 +0000t% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 7 Subject: Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.u* Message-ID: <3A8D88D4.86640FB1@virgin.net>   Arthur Krewat wrote:   > Alan Greig wrote:, > > F > > I'll sell my own mother if I can get a working KS10 emulator which > > will boot TOPS-20. >W > Does she do windows? :)o   Nah, just VMS ;-)s   >h > art k.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:21:08 -0500e From: "JD" <dyson@jdyson.com>u7 Subject: Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.D2 Message-ID: <rW0j6.482$c5.397137@news1.iquest.net>  7 "Timothy Stark" <sword7@speakeasy.org> wrote in message.: news:EH0j6.12640$EW3.484591@e3500-chi1.usenetserver.com...M > > If Tim smokes, how about an ex girlfriend, wild smoker... lots of passive: > > nicotine (?) >nN > Well, I am *not* smoker for my life.  Also, I am not happy with that replies > with full of evil words.N > Smoking is allergy to my eyes.  I avoid smoking at my distance at all costs. >vC > Also, I still am not finished my emulator yet.  However, I now am & > considering to release my unfinishedI > emulator sources and let developers to finish my emulator because I nowR7 > realized that finishing my emulator is taking forever  >1U The last parts of a project are often the most difficult, frustrating, time consumingo or any of the above!!!  W I am really interested in getting my hands on your code (to play with), but I really doC* understand how hard you must be working!!!   John   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:22:19 -0500e, From: "Timothy Stark" <sword7@speakeasy.org>7 Subject: Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.n@ Message-ID: <Calj6.15983$EW3.731507@e3500-chi1.usenetserver.com>  J <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message news:96j5qj$97t$1@bob.news.rcn.net...A > Yes.  There is also the problem of declaring a project finished @ > even though you know of stuff that has to be fixed, developed,> > etc.  JMF's method of teaching this to guys who did know how@ > to stop was to just edict.  Tim doesn't have that luxury.  TheD > middle of a development cycle is the most fun.  It's the beginning= > (writing specs and dealing with marketroids) and the endingoC > (documentation, field test, mundane problems such as installation @ > fumble finger prevention) that is the pits.  I don't know many? > people who preferred the beginning and endings to the middle.f >y >  > >wJ > >I am really interested in getting my hands on your code (to play with), > but I really don- > >understand how hard you must be working!!!  >e< > And there's quite a number of things that need to be done.= > After verifying that the system can crash, take a dump, andS8 > continue, the next thing I think that needs to be done? > is to  1.  verify that a multi-pack structure can be emulatedo> > (Tim's way out of disk space for any interesting work on the9 > -10 side)  2.  a non-RP06 structure can be accessed viat) > MOUNT/DISMOUNT--IOW private structures.y  K Yes, that is right.  My TS10 emulator already supports multi-pack structuren
 (up to 8 disk L drives per RH11 controller.)  You can configure multi-RH11 controllers on my emulator butK TOPS-10/TOPS-20 accepts only one RH11 controller (776700 address on UBA 1).g  = > I think those are the most important.  Now, I understand if < > Tim doesn't want to do this part because it really doesn't9 > have much to do with the emulation work.  I'd also likeWA > to see that system swap a lot, IOW, a real test of timesharing.(   No,  that is fine with me.   -- Tim Stark   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:33:38 -0500', From: "Timothy Stark" <sword7@speakeasy.org>7 Subject: Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.s@ Message-ID: <dllj6.16002$EW3.733884@e3500-chi1.usenetserver.com>  ? "Arthur Krewat" <krewat@bartek.dontspamme.net> wrote in message-/ news:3A8CA00B.12BD694D@bartek.dontspamme.net... K > > Well, I still am looking for a copy of KA630 CPU Module User's Guide to G > > finish developing my VAX emulator under my TS-10 emulator.  I can'tc finishI > > my VAX emulator without it.  That manual has a lot of information forv= > > register-level programming like QBus, Ethernet, TOY, etc.C >nL > I may be able to supply VAX-11/750 programming guides, which should supplyJ > enough information to emulate it and the '780. What model of VAX are you > thinking of doing? Microvax?  I Yes, I am interested to get a copy of VAX-11/750 programming guide.  I amd
 working onE MicroVAX II series recently.  I finished my complete VAX disassemblers (execpt vector instructions).tH Now I was able to list MicroVAX ROM image starting 20040000.  When I ranK "./vax 20040000 20000", it instantly completed!  I thought that I ran it oneK Cray system!  Yes, I thank to my 800 Mhz Pentium III system running Red Hato
 Linux 7.0.   -- Tim Stark   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:34:48 -0500r, From: Ken McMonigal <kmcmonig@mail.bcpl.net>7 Subject: Re: Looking for KA630 CPU Module User's Guide.o- Message-ID: <3A8DFF68.D5D077AF@mail.bcpl.net>c   Timothy Stark wrote: > A > "Arthur Krewat" <krewat@bartek.dontspamme.net> wrote in message?1 > news:3A8CA00B.12BD694D@bartek.dontspamme.net... M > > > Well, I still am looking for a copy of KA630 CPU Module User's Guide tolI > > > finish developing my VAX emulator under my TS-10 emulator.  I can'tl > finishK > > > my VAX emulator without it.  That manual has a lot of information forc? > > > register-level programming like QBus, Ethernet, TOY, etc.9 > > N > > I may be able to supply VAX-11/750 programming guides, which should supplyL > > enough information to emulate it and the '780. What model of VAX are you  > > thinking of doing? Microvax? > K > Yes, I am interested to get a copy of VAX-11/750 programming guide.  I am7 > working onG > MicroVAX II series recently.  I finished my complete VAX disassemblers > (execpt vector instructions). J > Now I was able to list MicroVAX ROM image starting 20040000.  When I ranM > "./vax 20040000 20000", it instantly completed!  I thought that I ran it on M > Cray system!  Yes, I thank to my 800 Mhz Pentium III system running Red Hat  > Linux 7.0. >  > -- Tim Stark  4 I'm interested if you ever ran any software on Cray?    ! As the story goes approximately -U  ; "Seymour Cray used an Apple to design his next Cray machine.? & Steve Jobs (?) used a Cray to design the next Apple machine."a   ---    KenP  <     The Algol compiler used at Case Institute of Technology,9     after finding 25 errors in the source (e.g., like youa9     spelled BEGIN as BEGNI), would print: "At this point, .     we suggest you try re-reading the manual."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:56:22 -0600s* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: newbie-- Message-ID: <0033000016464881000002L012*@MHS>     =0ABring in.....THE COMFY CHAIR!   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETs' Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 4:38 AM 6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: newbiel     Andy wrote:u  H > I just started a position where i will be using open VMS extensively,=  H > and am wondering if this NG has any recommendations on books that cov= erse/ > a broad range,...intro, commands, admin, etc.. >-H > Any ideas appreciated,....local bookstores were not much help,..nothi= ng
 > in stock   (No criticism intended :-)  F This approach (i.e. going to yer local bookstore) seems to have becomeC endemic, very probably due to the inadequacy of the "documentation"xA that comes with, ahem, other systems.  VMS is not like that.  Thes> standard VMS documentation is truly excellent, covering pretty: much everything you'll ever need (certainly for a newbie).  E So, rather than wasting your time at the local bookstore, just settlef< down in a nice comfortable sofa with the VMS documentation !  	 Roy Omonde Blue Bubble Ltd.=    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2001 11:16:45 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: newbiec3 Message-ID: <OfCMT0mEfg0w@eisner.encompasserve.org>   I In article <3A8CB945.C5F5ECE2@home.com>, Andy <kicsi2l8@home.com> writes:IG > I just started a position where i will be using open VMS extensively,pJ > and am wondering if this NG has any recommendations on books that covers/ > a broad range,...intro, commands, admin, etc.u  6 1)  goto www.openvms.compaq.com and track down the FAQ  C 2)  use the vendor's documentation, it was meant for people in yourr    shoes  ( 3)  the help command is your best friend  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation2= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group*E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Feb 2001 01:56:45 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: newbiew- Message-ID: <87ae7mse8y.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   6 koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  K > In article <3A8CB945.C5F5ECE2@home.com>, Andy <kicsi2l8@home.com> writes:M  < > > I just started a position where i will be using open VMSD > > extensively, and am wondering if this NG has any recommendationsF > > on books that covers a broad range,...intro, commands, admin, etc.  8 > 1)  goto www.openvms.compaq.com and track down the FAQ  D > 2) use the vendor's documentation, it was meant for people in your > shoesm  * > 3)  the help command is your best friend  ? Too true. Extract the help libray and read it. Or at least skimu> through it, so you will have some idea where to start looking.  * Help libr will get you going on the first.   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:47:43 -0500r2 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net>0 Subject: Re: no mail path to %smtp"fred@foo.bar"+ Message-ID: <3a8d7631$1@newsfeed.vitts.com>:   It's SMTP%user@host.whatever           --NOT--  %SMTP-   -JohnS  9 "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> wrote in messagen news:3A8C05DA.2CFFF11@gmx.ch...oH > On one machine running 7.2-1 TCP/IP V5, I try to send mail from vms toD > an internet address without the %smtp prefix. It works on my otherG > systems (although I didn't know it could), but on this one (imsf202),tC > nothing happens. I tried to add the %smtp prefix and get the sameg& > result, i.e. no result but an error: >f' > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:49:55 +0100t% > Message-Id: <01021516495500@ims.ch>" > From: TCPIP$SMTP@IMS.CHi > To: morandi@ims.ch > Subject: Returned mail >i) > ---- Transcript of session follows ----rI > %TCPIP-E-SMTP_SNDERROR, error detected while sending mail to DMO@IMS.CHt% > -MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user !ASk >n' > ---- Recipients of this delivery ----p > DMO@IMS.CH (bounced) >t" > ---- Unsent message follows ----' > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:49:54 +0100 % > Message-Id: <01021516495416@ims.ch>O > From: morandi@ims.ch > To: DMO@ims.ch > X-VMS-To: dmo@ims.ch >0* > The command was: $ mail nl: "dmo@ims.ch"J > And when I send it from another machine (imsf208), I do receive the mail > message on my PC:8 >q' > Return-Path: <morandi@imsf208.ims.ch>0G > Received:    from IMS0208 ([193.247.236.208]) by ims.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7)d > with5 > SMTP id RAA30851 for <DMO@ims.ch>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001  > 17:27:20 +0100' > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:49:22 +0100s- > Message-ID: <01021516492200@ims0208.ims.ch>m > From: morandi@imsf208.ims.ch > To: DMO@ims.ch > X-VMS-To: dmo@ims.ch > X-Mozilla-Status : 8001n > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 * > X-UIDL: 6c600764a23ded9f273c4f8d0ffb8957 >g* > Someone has an idea on this one, please?	 > Thanks,  >a > D. > --- > http://didier.morandi.free.fr/index_us.htmle   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:30:11 +0000>  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com' Subject: Re: OpenVMS and SupercomputinggH Message-ID: <OF4AB34257.736E4813-ON802569F5.006AF68A@qedi.quintiles.com>  K One might say that I think all of mine (including the VAXstation 4000 on mysD desk) are pretty super, but I guess that's not the right answer. :-)  9 fabio_compaq at ep-bc dot petrobras dot com dot br wrote:c/ >>>Is there any supercomputer running OpenVMS ?y= I searched www.top500.org and I didint discover any reference 8 about it  . . .  I dont know if  it is possible . . .<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:26:20 -0500i/ From: "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>s' Subject: RE: OpenVMS and SupercomputingfK Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB75001925996@rlghncst625.usps.gov>S  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0985F.1B0F5A80D Content-Type: text/plain;u 	charset="iso-8859-1"a  J I beg to differ with your assertion that there aren't any Compaq machines  on the TOP500.org database:h  1 These are the first two of the eleven machines onn the TOP500 database.   #31 						Rankingh) Compaq AlphaServer SC ES40/EV67 	Computerq 507.60 					Rmax Gflopst& Compaq Computer Corporation 		Location
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     Research t     512    WWWebb -----Original Message-----0 From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ' Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:43 PM-6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET' Subject: RE: OpenVMS and Supercomputingc    K One might say that I think all of mine (including the VAXstation 4000 on my D desk) are pretty super, but I guess that's not the right answer. :-)  9 fabio_compaq at ep-bc dot petrobras dot com dot br wrote: / >>>Is there any supercomputer running OpenVMS ?c= I searched www.top500.org and I didint discover any referencec8 about it  . . .  I dont know if  it is possible . . .<<<  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0985F.1B0F5A80d Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"n+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printables  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">a <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =e charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2653.12"> - <TITLE>RE: OpenVMS and Supercomputing</TITLE>l </HEAD>t <BODY>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I beg to differ with your assertion that there aren't =8 any Compaq machines </FONT>05 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>on the TOP500.org database:</FONT>d </P>  B <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>These are the first two of the eleven machines =	 on</FONT> . <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the TOP500 database.</FONT> </P>  * <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>#31 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =9 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ranking</FONT>r4 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Compaq AlphaServer SC ES40/EV67 =: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Computer</FONT>! <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>507.60&nbsp; =a, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; == &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Rmax Gflops</FONT>aC <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Compaq Computer Corporation &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =a: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Location</FONT>+ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>USA &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =m, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =2 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2000 </FONT>i! <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Vendor&nbsp; =t, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =C &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Installation Type</FONT>M+ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>512 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =6, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =A &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # of processors</FONT>G </P>  3 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>#32 Compaq AlphaServer SC </FONT>07 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ES40/EV67 </FONT>c4 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 507.60 </FONT>C <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lawrence Livermore National =s Laboratory </FONT>1 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; USA </FONT>02 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2000 </FONT>6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Research </FONT>1 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 512 </FONT>  </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>WWWebb</FONT>r4 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>D <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET = </FONT>lA <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:43 PM</FONT>nB <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at = INTERNET</FONT>oA <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: OpenVMS and Supercomputing</FONT>o </P> <BR>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>One might say that I think all of mine (including the =o VAXstation 4000 on my</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>desk) are pretty super, but I guess that's not the =t right answer. :-)</FONT> </P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>fabio_compaq at ep-bc dot petrobras dot com dot br =
 wrote:</FONT>1C <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;&gt;Is there any supercomputer running =r OpenVMS ?</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I searched www.top500.org and I didint discover any = reference</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>about it&nbsp; . . .&nbsp; I dont know if&nbsp; it =1$ is possible . . .&lt;&lt;&lt;</FONT> </P>   </BODY>  </HTML>i) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0985F.1B0F5A80--n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:39:00 GMTc2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Bibliography (was: Re: newbie)i6 Message-ID: <olfj6.43$fY5.163@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  I In article <3A8CB945.C5F5ECE2@home.com>, Andy <kicsi2l8@home.com> writes:dF :I just started a position where i will be using open VMS extensively,I :and am wondering if this NG has any recommendations on books that coverse. :a broad range,...intro, commands, admin, etc.  H   Please pick a subject relevent to the question when posting (everybodyI   was once a newbie, but folks that know about the available books might iI   not know to look at a subject "newbie").  Thanks!  (This also helps you L   get an answer to your question, particularly as your newbieness fades. :-)  tI   For this specific question, please check the bibliographic information  I   referenced by the OpenVMS FAQ.  The OpenVMS FAQ is available at variousi>   spots, including via the URL http://www.openvms.compaq.com/.  G   As others have pointed out, the OpenVMS manual set, the folks writingtK   for Digital Press (US URL: www.bhusa.com), and the details at the Compaq rH   training website are all good starting points for information.  (As is   the OpenVMS FAQ, of course.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:59:24 -0800'. From: "Olson, Ingemar" <IOlson@dairyworld.com>> Subject: RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form> Message-ID: <763C579A82F7D3118EE400D0B74723D10166B835@EXCHSRV>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0987C.DDBDDF4Ee Content-Type: text/plain;w 	charset="iso-8859-1"s  I If ALL your printers are guaranteed to be compatible now and forevermore,  that5 naming scheme might be ok. If not, here's what we do:   F 1) Create a separate library for each "type" of printer (eg: HP laser, DecWriter, ...) F where the "type" really is a group that can understand the same set of escape6 sequences. And name them to describe the printer type.  F 2) Populate each of those libraries with modules for each FORM you are using.I Different printers will require different escape sequences to do the sameV job.L Even if that means the module sometimes contains nothing at all, since some ? printers won't support all the features of every other printer.i  B Eg: If you have two printers & two libraries and you want to print "portrait" )K on both of them, then each library gets a "portrait" module, but the actual B escape sequences you define to accomplish that might be different.  D 3) Create the FORM definition to reference the module name you need.  @ 4) Start each queue with the appropriate /library=<library name>  J You are now in a position where you can print to any queue using the same H FORM name. The print symbiont will look in the queue's library and pull  out the appropriate module.   I Granted that there will be instances where using a FORM which is intendeda fordH an HP but printing it on your DecWriter won't give your users the result they? wanted, but at least it won't crap out on the print statement. l It _will_ do _something_.i  
 Ingemar Olsony     -----Original Message-----5 From: Forster, Michael [mailto:MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG]u Sent: February 15, 2001 6:39 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come> Subject: RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form    H Yes, I was planning on using DCL to inject the escape sequences into theD file, especially since I'm not adept at EDIT/EVE or TPU. The code is appreciated.  E I have a few more questions, so I hope you'll continue to be patient. J Libraries and modules for printers is something totally new for me since IA normally pass the PCL through applications and not the VMS queue.i  L I'm going to make a library, which will contain numerous modules for each ofK the pre-printed paper forms we have. So I'll have to have a separate module J for each of those forms, and have the VMS form attached to the appropriate module. Am I correct?u  L I'm not going to use the default module, and will make a new module. Did theL LIBRARY command create the TLB file I'm copying to SYS$LIBRARY in the secondH command? Also what naming convention would I use for my_module_name - is that an alias?  B I was thinking of naming the "my_library"  and "my_library.TLB" as HP_PCL_CLAIMFORMS.   Steps:G Create PCL file using DCL to insert escape sequences, name it MMIS5.TXT,C LIBRARY/INSERT/TEXT SYS$LIBRARY:my_library MMIS5.TXT/my_module_name 7 COPY SYS$LIBRARY:my_library.TLB SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]/LOG1   Am I still on track?   mr   > -----Original Message-----B > From: rdeininger@mindspring.com [SMTP:rdeininger@mindspring.com], > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:37 AM > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com E > Subject:      Re: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer formy >, > In articleG > <709CDBE6CA13D311B4DF0008C7EAD0C604443923@phsexch13.mgh.harvard.edu>,w4 > "Forster, Michael " <MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG> wrote: >r > J > > One PCL string example of what I have to pass to the printer is (In my
 > example,L > > *27 indicates the <ESC>, don't know what the library control uses as the > code): > >d= > *27,"&l0L",*27,"&l6D",*27,"&l0E",*27,"&l125Z",*27,"&l-233U"= > >  > One suggestion:r >cK > Files that contain escape sequences are a pain to work with. Editors tendoH > to suppress special characters in various ways (which is good) and theD > TYPE on such a file is likely to do nasty things to your terminal. >hK > I prefer to build up such files in DCL command files, and let the commandyI > file insert the module in a library, and then delete the raw text file. * > Something like this, using your example: >  > $ ESC[0,8] == %X1BF > $ pcl_string = esc + "&l0L" + esc + "&l6D" + esc + ""&l0E" + esc + - >  "&l125Z" + esc + "&l-233U"- > $  > $ open/write temp temp.txt > $ write temp pcl_stringc > $ close temp > $o0 > $ library/text/replace <library file> temp.txt > $@$ > $ delete/nolog/noconfirm temp.txt; ><I > This kind of file is easy to edit, print, type, etc, but it creates thea3 > module you need with embedded special characters.i >y > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.comn  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0987C.DDBDDF4Ei Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"v  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">e <HTML> <HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">H <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2650.12">D <TITLE>RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form</TITLE> </HEAD>t <BODY>  e <P><FONT SIZE=2>If ALL your printers are guaranteed to be compatible now and forevermore, that</FONT>mM <BR><FONT SIZE=2>naming scheme might be ok. If not, here's what we do:</FONT>0 </P>  w <P><FONT SIZE=2>1) Create a separate library for each &quot;type&quot; of printer (eg: HP laser, DecWriter, ...)</FONT>mo <BR><FONT SIZE=2>where the &quot;type&quot; really is a group that can understand the same set of escape</FONT>kN <BR><FONT SIZE=2>sequences. And name them to describe the printer type.</FONT> </P>  d <P><FONT SIZE=2>2) Populate each of those libraries with modules for each FORM you are using.</FONT>f <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Different printers will require different escape sequences to do the same job.</FONT>d <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Even if that means the module sometimes contains nothing at all, since some </FONT>W <BR><FONT SIZE=2>printers won't support all the features of every other printer.</FONT>i </P>  s <P><FONT SIZE=2>Eg: If you have two printers &amp; two libraries and you want to print &quot;portrait&quot; </FONT>lm <BR><FONT SIZE=2>on both of them, then each library gets a &quot;portrait&quot; module, but the actual</FONT>aZ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>escape sequences you define to accomplish that might be different.</FONT> </P>  [ <P><FONT SIZE=2>3) Create the FORM definition to reference the module name you need.</FONT>  </P>  ] <P><FONT SIZE=2>4) Start each queue with the appropriate /library=&lt;library name&gt;</FONT>e </P>  a <P><FONT SIZE=2>You are now in a position where you can print to any queue using the same </FONT>J` <BR><FONT SIZE=2>FORM name. The print symbiont will look in the queue's library and pull </FONT>4 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>out the appropriate module. </FONT> </P>  d <P><FONT SIZE=2>Granted that there will be instances where using a FORM which is intended for</FONT>e <BR><FONT SIZE=2>an HP but printing it on your DecWriter won't give your users the result they</FONT>rW <BR><FONT SIZE=2>wanted, but at least it won't crap out on the print statement. </FONT>01 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>It _will_ do _something_.</FONT>m </P>  $ <P><FONT SIZE=2>Ingemar Olson</FONT> </P> <BR>  1 <P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>sx <BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Forster, Michael [<A HREF="mailto:MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG">mailto:MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG</A>]</FONT>4 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: February 15, 2001 6:39</FONT>1 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>sV <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: RE: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form</FONT> </P> <BR>  _ <P><FONT SIZE=2>Yes, I was planning on using DCL to inject the escape sequences into the</FONT> \ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>file, especially since I'm not adept at EDIT/EVE or TPU. The code is</FONT>$ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>appreciated.</FONT> </P>  \ <P><FONT SIZE=2>I have a few more questions, so I hope you'll continue to be patient.</FONT>b <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Libraries and modules for printers is something totally new for me since I</FONT>Y <BR><FONT SIZE=2>normally pass the PCL through applications and not the VMS queue.</FONT>0 </P>  c <P><FONT SIZE=2>I'm going to make a library, which will contain numerous modules for each of</FONT> c <BR><FONT SIZE=2>the pre-printed paper forms we have. So I'll have to have a separate module</FONT>sb <BR><FONT SIZE=2>for each of those forms, and have the VMS form attached to the appropriate</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=2>module. Am I correct?</FONT>m </P>  c <P><FONT SIZE=2>I'm not going to use the default module, and will make a new module. Did the</FONT>2d <BR><FONT SIZE=2>LIBRARY command create the TLB file I'm copying to SYS$LIBRARY in the second</FONT>` <BR><FONT SIZE=2>command? Also what naming convention would I use for my_module_name - is</FONT>& <BR><FONT SIZE=2>that an alias?</FONT> </P>  r <P><FONT SIZE=2>I was thinking of naming the &quot;my_library&quot;&nbsp; and &quot;my_library.TLB&quot; as</FONT>* <BR><FONT SIZE=2>HP_PCL_CLAIMFORMS.</FONT> </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=2>Steps:</FONT>-_ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Create PCL file using DCL to insert escape sequences, name it MMIS5.TXT</FONT> [ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>LIBRARY/INSERT/TEXT SYS$LIBRARY:my_library MMIS5.TXT/my_module_name</FONT>9O <BR><FONT SIZE=2>COPY SYS$LIBRARY:my_library.TLB SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]/LOG</FONT>r </P>  + <P><FONT SIZE=2>Am I still on track?</FONT>s </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=2>m</FONT> </P>  6 <P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>] <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; From: rdeininger@mindspring.com [SMTP:rdeininger@mindspring.com]</FONT>mG <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:37 AM</FONT>eB <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; To:&nbsp;&nbsp; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>y <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Subject:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Re: Passing PCL codes to printer via VMS printer form</FONT>o <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>' <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; In article</FONT>ph <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &lt;709CDBE6CA13D311B4DF0008C7EAD0C604443923@phsexch13.mgh.harvard.edu&gt;,</FONT>_ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &quot;Forster, Michael &quot; &lt;MFORSTER@PARTNERS.ORG&gt; wrote:</FONT>t <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>:h <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; One PCL string example of what I have to pass to the printer is (In my</FONT>% <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; example,</FONT>ip <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; *27 indicates the &lt;ESC&gt;, don't know what the library control uses as the</FONT># <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; code):</FONT>o! <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>n <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; *27,&quot;&amp;l0L&quot;,*27,&quot;&amp;l6D&quot;,*27,&quot;&amp;l0E&quot;,*27,&quot;&amp;l125Z&quot;,*27,&quot;&amp;l-233U&quot;</FONT>! <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>5, <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; One suggestion:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>f <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Files that contain escape sequences are a pain to work with. Editors tend</FONT>c <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; to suppress special characters in various ways (which is good) and the</FONT>C_ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; TYPE on such a file is likely to do nasty things to your terminal.</FONT>T <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>f <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; I prefer to build up such files in DCL command files, and let the command</FONT>d <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; file insert the module in a library, and then delete the raw text file.</FONT>E <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Something like this, using your example:</FONT>a <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>/ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; $ ESC[0,8] == %X1B</FONT>; <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; $ pcl_string = esc + &quot;&amp;l0L&quot; + esc + &quot;&amp;l6D&quot; + esc + &quot;&quot;&amp;l0E&quot; + esc + -</FONT>Y <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;&nbsp; &quot;&amp;l125Z&quot; + esc + &quot;&amp;l-233U&quot;</FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; $</FONT>7 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; $ open/write temp temp.txt</FONT>;4 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; $ write temp pcl_string</FONT>) <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; $ close temp</FONT>= <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; $</FONT>Q <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; $ library/text/replace &lt;library file&gt; temp.txt</FONT>s <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; $</FONT>? <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; $ delete/nolog/noconfirm temp.txt;</FONT>b <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>d <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; This kind of file is easy to edit, print, type, etc, but it creates the</FONT>N <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; module you need with embedded special characters.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; --</FONT>;- <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Robert Deininger</FONT>n6 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; rdeininger@mindspring.com</FONT> </P>   </BODY>N </HTML>2) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0987C.DDBDDF4E--n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:07:47 GMTn3 From: Carl Nelson <carl.nelson@mcmail.maricopa.edu>s6 Subject: Re: Plenum vs. non-plenum in the data center?3 Message-ID: <3A8DC0D4.27690100@mcmail.maricopa.edu>s  G   I just stumbled on this thread, so I'm a little late replying. And mysF information is about ten years out of date, at best. But this *MAY* beF of use. I was also only peripherally involved in the discussion, which= was certainly not in your jurisdiction. YMMV, in other words.a  F   Your fire detection equipment SHOULD have a relay circuit that killsE any and all air circulation equipment that blows into the plenum areaE9 upon detection of a fire. This should allay any issues ofoH plenum/nonplenum wiring being force-fanned. It should also key into your power distribution unit.  G   You should have under-floor smoke detectors for this to work, as well E as overhead detectors. Ideally you would have a smoke detector in theZF a/c unit itself, since all the air will be passing through that point.  C   Also, consider the following: In order to avoid having non-plenum=H wiring in an area that moves air that people breath, you are required toE move that wiring into... the room where people will be breathing air.=  G   The main issue with plenum/nonplenum is that having the wiring in theiH plenum space encourages the gases to spread throughout the building, farB from the source. Most computer room ventilation systems are closed* systems, as has been pointed out upstream.  F   In general, you may need to hire a contractor who is used to dealingB with this specific problem, and, in particular, can point the fire@ marshal at the proper standards for the situation. I looked, butE couldn't find the proper NFPA (National Fire Protection Agency, IIRC)ID standards. A contractor in this area should be able to quote them by heart.     Hope that this helps.s  
 --Carl Nelsoni   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:12:13 GMTr2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: Possible security hole in... 6 Message-ID: <14ej6.37$fY5.313@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  _ In article <t8ok8kjcv0j822@news.supernews.com>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes:t  M :I understand the concern about not broadcasting security/crash issues.  But rM :once Q has received (and verified) a report, how do the rest of us find out   :about it?  Thanks.t  .   Each report of a security problem is unique.  K   The approach chosen for remediation depends on the results of the generaleL   investigation, on the level of severity of and risk of an exposure to the E   problem, and on the potential for disruption from the fix itself.  u  G   Sometimes the remediation will simply be incorporated into an ECO kituD   currently under development (potentially raising the installation H   priority of the particular ECO kit), and sometimes the required fixes =   will mandate a specific ECO kit be created and distributed.   H   I will assume you are familiar with DSNlink and the support databases,3   and with the various ECO notification mechanisms.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:46:33 GMTs2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)B Subject: Re: power-up via console (was Re: Interesting feature...)5 Message-ID: <Zchj6.2$dl6.151@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>0  Q In article <3A8D746C.FF54A45A@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:iD :This is a little 1u rackmount box.  It's console runs even when theD :system itself is powered down- in fact, one of the commands you canB :issue is 'poweron', and suddenly all the fans and drives wake up.  G   And remote power up access can have safety implications, hence there DC   are lock-out/tag-out safety procedures that should be followed...L  C :Forgiving my ignorance of high-end Alphas, but do any of them knowhB :how to do this, and if so, is it a feature likely to migrate downC :to low end boxes that might compete with this? (Say, the rackmountW :DS10 series)?  C   Would "now" be soon enough?  The RMC (Remote Management Console) sC   that is integrated in the DS10L permits this, via "power on" and p   "power off" commands.  e  9   Please see the AlphaServer DS10L console documentation.e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:25:04 GMTr2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)7 Subject: Re: Powerpoint (or other) demonstration of CMSi6 Message-ID: <4gej6.39$fY5.313@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  [ In article <96jd28$jrh$1@lyonesse.netcom.net.uk>, "Paul Arman" <home@paularman.net> writes: H :...Is anyone aware of where I could get either a document (or ideally aA :PowerPoint demo) which gives a good overview of what CMS does...e  9   I've passed the request along to a contact in DECset...n  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:51:50 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)E Subject: Re: relative file versions (was: RE: www.openvms.compaq.com)e4 Message-ID: <Whhj6.3$dl6.60@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  h In article <OFDC9ACDB0.F539CC59-ON882569F5.006606AE@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:  L :...The question is, how far down into DCL is the translation from "-1" to =4 :"the number one less than the top number" done? ...  I   This mechanism is implemented in the file system XQP -- far below DCL. uK   (For details on this, please see the I/O User's Reference Manual chapter  %   on the IO$_ACPCONTROL functions...)e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:22:39 -0500 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>a' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How?c( Message-ID: <3A8D45BB.F8C276E0@ohio.edu>  F Glad I could help.  I think comp.os.vms is heavily populated by systemG managers, who may well spend a large fraction of their life with BYPASSmH turned on!  I do, but I also spend a significant part of my life helping newbies.  #                                 RDPb     Andrew G Scott wrote:O  	 > Richard: >rA > This was indeed the trick. I didn't look at BYPASS but used SETX > /PROTECTION....T > I > All the other responses were similar in that they confirmed that RENAMErJ > should do it but their default directory permissions must include DELETEJ > since no-one else mentioned that permissions would have to be reviewed.. >. > Thanks > Andrew >  > "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:o > I > > RENAME is indeed the command, but it requires delete privilege on theaK > > file, and directory files are by default protected against deletion, so3K > > you have to elevate your privileges (BYPASS will certainly suffice!) orG& > > first change the protections.  See   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:52:53 -0700   From: l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com# Subject: Renaming directories. How?l. Message-ID: <01021612525392@lto.locktrack.com>  4 > I think comp.os.vms is heavily populated by system8 > managers, who may well spend a large fraction of their > life with BYPASS turned on!w  A Gak!  I'd hope not, but you may be right.  Here's my own personal[ privilege discipline:t  C a) I use a "privilege.com" command file, not SET PROCESS /PRIV=, toZC    escalate and drop specific privileges.  Benefit is that whenevereD    I "elevate" my interactive privs, the com-file sets my DCL promptB    string to *bold* rendition, and returns it to "normal" wheneverB    I drop them.  This way, I'm never running with BYPASS or SYSPRVC    or whatever without an explicit visual indication of that state. B    Another command file, "bypass1.com", can accept one DCL command@    as input and execute it at temporarily elevated privilege(s).  G b) For more extended and/or routine tasks which require elevated privs,AC    write a command file which uses F$SETPRV() to pick up *only* the8C    higher priv's needed for a task or procedure, then reverse these5=    privs at com-file-exit.  The skeleton for this is roughly:n      $ ! Preamble/#    $ ON CONTROL_Y THEN GOSUB Ctrl_YA    $ ON ERROR THEN GOTO Done@    $ Prv = F$SETPRV("...")   !whatever elevated privs are needed  "    $ ... ! the task/procedure here      $Done:       ! Postamble/
    $ SET NOONS;    $ IF F$TYPE(Prv) .EQS. "STRING" THEN Prv = F$SETPRV(Prv)o	    $ EXITe    $ !    $Ctrl_Y:r"    $ RETURN %X2C  ! SS$_ABORT code  >    Note that the ON CONTROL/ERROR stmts ensure that, if I/user?    presses <Ctrl/Y> (Interrupt), then the Postamble code alwayst=    executes, thus I'm not exited still holding elevated privs=A    without knowing it!...  YMMV, and yes, other coding techniquesu7    and embellishments apply... this is just an outline.i  E c) Typing the command SET PROCESS /PRIVILEGE=ALL just to "overcome" aNH    VMS file protection or utility's usage rule *is strongly discouraged*@    in my shop!  So is routine login/use of the SYSTEM account...      My sys-mgrs are:e  6    1) trained about privs (see above, plus much more),  I    2) equipped with individual accounts which do have SETPRV enabled, and   I    3) given responsibility and accountability for the use of any elevatedr7       privs and associated tasks... consequences count.E  E    Mostly, we get to just use common sense, but salted with the aboveNJ    discipline.  We're not a "highly secure" shop, but we do take excellentI    care of our customers'/users' data and applications.  This stuff, plusiC    a rock-solid backup foundation and an aggressive user-management<J    discipline, remain at the core of running any successful VMS multi-user
    operation.T  
 cordially,   LorinR   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:00:00 -0600>7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>/' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How?w- Message-ID: <3A8DE930.92527852@earthlink.net>t   "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:E > H > Glad I could help.  I think comp.os.vms is heavily populated by systemI > managers, who may well spend a large fraction of their life with BYPASSp > turned on!  H Actually, I have OPER by default and SETPRV as an authorized priv. Then,E in my LOGIN.COM processing, I do SET PROC/PRIV=(ALL,NOBYPASS). I onlyiD enable BYPASS to delete directories/trees or (do anything) with DFO.   -- " David J. DachteraT dba DJE SystemsM http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/v  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:21:01 -0500e2 From: "Carmine Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com>@ Subject: Swapping OpenVMS & Apps from one AlphaServer to another+ Message-ID: <96jr2e$9gn$1@bob.news.rcn.net>i  H Another question: are OpenVMS licenses tied to a specific machine or areJ they portable?  Given two nearly identical AlphaServer 1200's, if one diesL can it's hard drives be simply moved to the other machine and then booted upE without any significant action other than perhaps running an AUTOGEN?w   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:08:59 -0500r% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>fD Subject: Re: Swapping OpenVMS & Apps from one AlphaServer to another/ Message-ID: <t8qunbanndpc60@news.supernews.com>   D Move the disks and boot.  The last I heard, that was even legal too!  = "Carmine Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com> wrote in messagep% news:96jr2e$9gn$1@bob.news.rcn.net...>J > Another question: are OpenVMS licenses tied to a specific machine or areL > they portable?  Given two nearly identical AlphaServer 1200's, if one diesK > can it's hard drives be simply moved to the other machine and then booted; upG > without any significant action other than perhaps running an AUTOGEN?/ >  >P >O >S   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:31:32 -0500e% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>TD Subject: Re: Swapping OpenVMS & Apps from one AlphaServer to another$ Message-ID: <3a8d7f15$1@news.si.com>  I >Another question: are OpenVMS licenses tied to a specific machine or are  >they portable?>  K All OpenVMS layered product license are "redesignatable", meaning that theyTL can be transferred from one system to another, equivalent (in the same tier)J system within a legal entity (same company).  Redesignating a license to a/ higher tier system requires an upgrade license.3  L Operating systems and System-Integrated products, as well as a list of otherD products like DECserver software, DECbridge microcode, HSx software,K PrintServer software, and VXT software, are relicensable, meaning that, for<K a fee, Compaq will cancel a license and reissue a new one for that product.0H VMScluster and DECnet licenses are noth relicensable and redesignatable.* Relicensing can be between legal entities. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comEA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comt= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventn< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:24:14 GMT&2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)D Subject: Re: Swapping OpenVMS & Apps from one AlphaServer to another6 Message-ID: <2Ugj6.46$fY5.387@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  ` In article <96jr2e$9gn$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Carmine Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com> writes:I :Another question: are OpenVMS licenses tied to a specific machine or aree :they portable?  p  F   Check your specific licenses.  Most licenses tend to permit the use F   of the product on a standby system when the licensed system is down.E   Most licenses have other requirements for more permanent transfers.   ; :Given two nearly identical AlphaServer 1200's, if one diesFM :can it's hard drives be simply moved to the other machine and then booted upsF :without any significant action other than perhaps running an AUTOGEN?  7   For various definitions of "nearly identical", yes.     E   Assuming the OpenVMS version supports the target platform, you willBG   be able BACKUP/IMAGE and boot and use OpenVMS on it -- at worst, you TF   will have to perform a conversational bootstrap and a "USE DEFAULT" H   to reset the system parameters, followed by an AUTOGEN pass, followed I   by hunting down all of the device-specific references scattered through-H   your environment (if there are configuration differences).  (Once you G   hunt these references a couple of times, you will hopefully start to lG   learn the value of using logical names and eschewing physical device E   names where possible.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:09:03 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: Telnet, yes; HTTP, no6 Message-ID: <P8dj6.29$fY5.354@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  ` In article <94pnvp$ff1$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Carmine Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com> writes:( :OpenVMS 7.1-1H2,  Decnet Phase IV (UCX)  J   Please get to at least OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 and to TCP/IP Services V4.2 J   with the current ECO; upgrading to TCP/IP Services V5.0A with ECO or to    V5.1 would be better still.   K :I can telnet to the device, read the configuration table, etc.  I *cannot*n* :reach the device's built-in web server...  6   Try to telnet directly to the httpd port: port 80...  C :Note that I have a similar setup for a networked Xerox machine andtK :everything works fine.  I assume that I have forgotton to do something bute3 :can't for the life of me figure out what it was...t  J   Or this particular JetDirect card either does not have an httpd server, K   has had the httpd server somehow disabled, or it has an httpd server thato1   is listening on some less-than-well-known port.d  0   Check the JetDirect documentation for details.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:00:01 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: TFT > 18.1" with 1280x1024l6 Message-ID: <RMej6.41$fY5.403@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  X In article <3A8C65B7.D9232823@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:@ :I dare to ask this question because the screen will be attached :to a VMS system.t  H   The question isn't specific to OpenVMS, really...  Really just betweenL   the graphics controller and the display -- well, and the need for OpenVMS I   support of the particular graphics controller.  Please see the OpenVMS uH   FAQ for general information on monitors and on monitor compatibilitiesH   and interoperation.  (Yes, this topic arises with some regularity. :-)  : :The dealer offered a Compaq 18.1" TFT display with native6 :resolution of 1280x1024. I expect the pixels to be to. :narrow/small to use my favourite font sizes.   8   A personal choice, with obvious physiologic aspects.    7   I regularly use multiple displays of this resolution.-   :The dealer saysA :there are no bigge TFT displays available with native resolutiona :of 1280x1024.    B   Can't say I've seen larger high-resolution displays -- there areE   certainly larger screens, but not combined with higher resolutions.w  E :As I have read that with TFTs it is highly recommended to use their  3 :native resolution as they would otherwise scale...u     Pixels are fixed-size.  ? :the screen's size I'm seeking for a combination of screen sizeo= :and resolution which displays at the same size as my 20" CRTu	 :monitor.   G   A LCD circa 18 inches will provide this -- the standard measurements nH   for CRTs inexplicably include an unusable area around the edge of the     display.  LCDs lack this area.  - :Question1: is the pixel size of TFT's fixed?e     Yes.  > :Question2: is the quality reduced if the native resolution is4 :1600x1200 (19.6" TFT) but I'm using only 1280x1024?  I   Depending on the supporting electronics, the display is either scaled,  F   or the border around the picture is resized -- the latter case looksJ   like a wide-screen movie shown on a US TV in "letterbox" format, though I   probably with both the usual horizontal and with a vertical blank area.-  J   Again, this topic really has little or nothing to do with OpenVMS, this F   is a generic discussion of LCD displays and associated technologies.+   (And I don't mean that to appear rude...)3  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:20:37 -0500o% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> ' Subject: Re: TFT > 18.1" with 1280x1024l/ Message-ID: <t8p754n0o85d73@news.supernews.com>o  6 "Christof Brass" <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message& news:3A8C65B7.D9232823@infopuls.com...A > I dare to ask this question because the screen will be attachedi > to a VMS system.; > The dealer offered a Compaq 18.1" TFT display with nativew7 > resolution of 1280x1024. I expect the pixels to be to > > narrow/small to use my favourite font sizes. The dealer saysB > there are no bigge TFT displays available with native resolution: > of 1280x1024. As I have read that with TFTs it is highly: > recommended to use their native resolution as they would@ > otherwise scale the picture by calculating "intermediate" dotsA > or only displaying the smaller resultion in a smaller area thann@ > the screen's size I'm seeking for a combination of screen size> > and resolution which displays at the same size as my 20" CRT
 > monitor. >e. > Question1: is the pixel size of TFT's fixed?   Yes.  ? > Question2: is the quality reduced if the native resolution is@5 > 1600x1200 (19.6" TFT) but I'm using only 1280x1024?r  : Yes.  Don't pay for 1600x1200 unless that's what you want.  K What is the actual display size with your 20" monitor?  An 18.1" flat paneltD is really 18.1".  My 21" monitor only has about 19" of usable space.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:20:46 +0000c) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>e' Subject: Re: TFT > 18.1" with 1280x1024c, Message-ID: <3A8DC3DE.8E147FF3@infopuls.com>   John Vottero wrote:i > 0 > > Question1: is the pixel size of TFT's fixed? >  > Yes. > A > > Question2: is the quality reduced if the native resolution is-7 > > 1600x1200 (19.6" TFT) but I'm using only 1280x1024?f > < > Yes.  Don't pay for 1600x1200 unless that's what you want. > M > What is the actual display size with your 20" monitor?  An 18.1" flat panel.F > is really 18.1".  My 21" monitor only has about 19" of usable space.   Thanks for your advice.i  > Calculating/measuring the real display size is not that simple as I haven't done this before.= The width is 49.7 cm (should be 19.6"), the height is 29.8 cm ? (should be 11.7) and I calculated the diagonal with the formulao< sqrt(width*width + height*height) as 58 cm (should be 22.8")? which seems a little bit too much. But I don't know where I did ; the mistake. I used a 30 cm (should be 11.8") solid measure-1 stick. The monitor is a SAMSUNG SyncMaster 1000p.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:24:16 +0000-) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> ' Subject: Re: TFT > 18.1" with 1280x1024o, Message-ID: <3A8DC4B0.37EC1CBF@infopuls.com>   Christoph Gartmann wrote:2 > Z > In article <3A8C65B7.D9232823@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:/ > >Question1: is the pixel size of TFT's fixed?l > 
 > Yes, it is.u > @ > >Question2: is the quality reduced if the native resolution is6 > >1600x1200 (19.6" TFT) but I'm using only 1280x1024? > K > It lies in the principle of a TFT that the pixels are located at specificoD > spots. Thus, either you provide the data for every single pixel orO > a) you provide less data (e.g. 800 x 400) and therefore the picture displayedrI >    is considerably smaller or the TFT uses four pixels for every singlet< >    pixel data => the picture is large but you see the dotsL > b) you provide more data => the screen has to somehow "reduce" the data in2 >    order to assign it to the less pixels it has. > K > I am writing this on an Eizo 18.1" TFT which I higly appreciate (viewable H > image size 45.9 cm or 18.07 inches). There is now an Eizo 19.6" with a > resolution of 1600 x 1200 .s > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann= > J > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+  > Thanks for your precise answer. The dealer also mentioned this= EIZO 19.6" which is very expensive and obviously is of no usea@ because of the fixed size pixels and the Powerstrom300 which can+ only produce a max resolution of 1280x1024.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:14:58 +0000i) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> K Subject: Re: TFT > 18.1" with 1280x1024 / posts on topic / FAQ only 3 partsn, Message-ID: <3A8DC282.DEBD195D@infopuls.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > Z > In article <3A8C65B7.D9232823@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:B > :I dare to ask this question because the screen will be attached > :to a VMS system.L > J >   The question isn't specific to OpenVMS, really...  Really just betweenM >   the graphics controller and the display -- well, and the need for OpenVMSeJ >   support of the particular graphics controller.  Please see the OpenVMSJ >   FAQ for general information on monitors and on monitor compatibilitiesJ >   and interoperation.  (Yes, this topic arises with some regularity. :-) > < > :The dealer offered a Compaq 18.1" TFT display with native8 > :resolution of 1280x1024. I expect the pixels to be to/ > :narrow/small to use my favourite font sizes.  > 8 >   A personal choice, with obvious physiologic aspects. > 9 >   I regularly use multiple displays of this resolution.Y >  > :The dealer saysD > :there are no bigger TFT displays available with native resolution > :of 1280x1024. > D >   Can't say I've seen larger high-resolution displays -- there areG >   certainly larger screens, but not combined with higher resolutions.. > F > :As I have read that with TFTs it is highly recommended to use their5 > :native resolution as they would otherwise scale...R >  >   Pixels are fixed-size. > A > :the screen's size I'm seeking for a combination of screen size ? > :and resolution which displays at the same size as my 20" CRTE > :monitor.  > H >   A LCD circa 18 inches will provide this -- the standard measurementsI >   for CRTs inexplicably include an unusable area around the edge of the " >   display.  LCDs lack this area. > / > :Question1: is the pixel size of TFT's fixed?  >  >   Yes. > @ > :Question2: is the quality reduced if the native resolution is6 > :1600x1200 (19.6" TFT) but I'm using only 1280x1024? > J >   Depending on the supporting electronics, the display is either scaled,H >   or the border around the picture is resized -- the latter case looksK >   like a wide-screen movie shown on a US TV in "letterbox" format, thoughtK >   probably with both the usual horizontal and with a vertical blank area.l > K >   Again, this topic really has little or nothing to do with OpenVMS, this H >   is a generic discussion of LCD displays and associated technologies.- >   (And I don't mean that to appear rude...)3 > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  9 Thanks for your answer. After getting the screens and thed7 Powerstorms I will attach them and try to configure the > DECwindows (CompaqWindows?) display server and then we're back> on topic I hope. And, of course, you are right and I knew that> as I pointed out in the first lines of my posting. But I don't@ read many NGs, so I don't know how to rate the answers because I? don't know other answers of the people that might have replied./@ E.g. I know you and Christoph Gartmann as brilliant contributors? on whose opinion/facts I can rely. And John Vottero and anotherr@ person who can read and only post privatly send similar comments> so I'm very happy! And at least this is a very technical topic= really related to a VMS system and therefore depending on the1< possibilities to support the resolution of the screen by the@ graphics card which in turn has to be supported by VMS and there; are not many those cards. Sorry for embarrassing you even Ie- think there are much more not on topic posts.i  > I have a question about obtaining the FAQ. I tried to download@ the latest version a few weeks ago and only got three files. But= in each file there is a note that it is 1, 2 or 3 out of fiven? and according to the TOC the the last parts are missing. As far- as I remember I got it from,= ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.os.vms/. Is there a betterc location to try to get them?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:20:48 GMT@2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)I Subject: Re: Time and Rebooting OpenVMS (was: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com)@6 Message-ID: <Arcj6.13$fY5.295@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  U In article <3A8C094D.E01D8B60@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:e  D   The subject line was changed to reflect the change in the topic...  D :I read somewhere that VMS should be rebooted every two years (?) to :reset the clock.   
   False.    ?   We have seen OpenVMS systems with uptimes of seventeen years.O  (   You DO NOT need to reboot OpenVMS VAX.  *   You DO NOT need to reboot OpenVMS Alpha.  K   You are likely recalling references to an issue -- an issue discussed in lL   the OpenVMS FAQ in some detail -- that involves how OpenVMS VAX maintains ;   the system time via the system image and the TOY clock.  t  J   That said, we now are in the annual window where all OpenVMS VAX systemsK   should issue the SET TIME command, either directly or implicitly via the i<   SHUTDOWN command.  Please see the OpenVMS FAQ for details.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:12:37 GMTr2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: track STOP/ID6 Message-ID: <Vjcj6.12$fY5.295@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  U In article <3A8CDC48.84E3DA0C@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:.6 :Is there a way to know which process did a $ stop/id?D :Is the PCB of the killed process updated with such info in any way?) :Is there another solution to my problem?t  H   OpenVMS version and platform?  Most of the OpenVMS versions likely in G   use here will have the SET AUDIT/ALARM/ENABLE=PROCESS=DELPRC command,T3   though it may or may not be enabled at your site.-  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:41:12 GMT1= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)r Subject: Re: track STOP/ID0 Message-ID: <009F7BA6.96CC465C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <6C++ki4noS+L@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:sV >In article <3A8CDC48.84E3DA0C@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:8 >> Is there a way to know which process did a $ stop/id? >rF >VMS auditing will record a "use of privilege" audit for the caller ofI >SYS$DELPRC when GROUP or WORLD privilege is used (and auditing enabled).t@ >Thus no audit will be performed in the following circumstances: >n4 >	Target process has the same UIC as Subject process   OpenVMS V7.1-2) $ SET PROCESS/ALARM/ENABLE=PROCESS=DELPRCo    & Two separate jobs logged in as SYSTEM:  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  16-FEB-2001 13:34:47.40  %%%%%%%%%%%' Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on ALPHAo3 Security alarm (SECURITY) on ALPHA, system id: 2029s3 Auditable event:          Process deleted ($DELPRC) 1 Event time:               16-FEB-2001 13:34:47.40r" PID:                      32A00252  Process name:             _FTA5:  Username:                 SYSTEM" Process owner:            [SYSTEM] Terminal name:            FTA5: " Target PID:               32A00259" Target process name:      SYSTEM_2  Target username:          SYSTEM" Target process owner:     [SYSTEM]H Status:                   %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion      ; >	Target process is in the same Job Tree as Subject process-  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  16-FEB-2001 13:34:38.16  %%%%%%%%%%%' Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on ALPHA 3 Security alarm (SECURITY) on ALPHA, system id: 202963 Auditable event:          Process deleted ($DELPRC)41 Event time:               16-FEB-2001 13:34:38.16c" PID:                      32A00252  Process name:             _FTA5:  Username:                 SYSTEM" Process owner:            [SYSTEM] Terminal name:            FTA5:O" Target PID:               32A00258" Target process name:      SYSTEM_1  Target username:          SYSTEM" Target process owner:     [SYSTEM]H Status:                   %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion      C $ SET PROCESS/ALARM/ENABLE=PROCESS=DELPRC  seems to catch them all.i     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMh             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:47:45 GMT ' From: "Bill R. King" <brking@flash.net>," Subject: TZ87 DLT Drive Connection$ Message-ID: <3A8D7587.9C1@flash.net>  , I have a Model TZ87-BY SCSI SE 14 pin drive.  = I want to connect the drive to a standard 50-pin SCSI SE bus.i  E At present, the drive has a single 96-pin connector that is on a flateG ribbon cable that has several chips on it and then branches to a 50-pinaF (SCSI????) connector and a 14-pin (power??? and SCSI ID???) connector.  F I have no documentation for the drive. Does anyone know the needed pin5 connections or a link to where the info is available.A     Thanks,2   Bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:05:16 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: UNIX write vs VMS ?6 Message-ID: <MRej6.42$fY5.403@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  X In article <3A8C6801.FA75A7DE@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:@ :A colleague at work is changing some C program code which calls> :library function write() to write to an open file. He told me@ :that there are UNIX versions where this call can be interrupted' :or fail to complete for other reasons.p  #   You mean, like a disk full error?l  ; :He admitted that this shouldn't be necessary and should be  :handled by the kernel.   H   Some C programmers are not known for checking errno and return status G   values (on those calls that return these), but I'd recommend checkingtH   them...  (Yes, I've skipped these checks in some of my C code, too...)   	--   E   If you really want speed, I'd look to RMS, or to low-level $qio or  C   $io_perform calls.  (The latter system service calls are akin to  &   the ioctl-level operations on UNIX.)   	--e  C   If you use C, I'd specify the preallocation and extend sizes thataG   are appropriate to your use, and MBF and MBC settings as appropriate.aB   (Please see the documentation of the OpenVMS extensions that areD   available on the Compaq C open() and creat() calls in the creat()    call documentation.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:31:08 +0000i) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>t  Subject: Re: UNIX write vs VMS ?, Message-ID: <3A8DC64C.D49BACC7@infopuls.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > Z > In article <3A8C6801.FA75A7DE@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:B > :A colleague at work is changing some C program code which calls@ > :library function write() to write to an open file. He told meB > :that there are UNIX versions where this call can be interrupted) > :or fail to complete for other reasons.l > % >   You mean, like a disk full error?d   :-)a   > = > :He admitted that this shouldn't be necessary and should ben > :handled by the kernel.- > I >   Some C programmers are not known for checking errno and return statusoI >   values (on those calls that return these), but I'd recommend checking3J >   them...  (Yes, I've skipped these checks in some of my C code, too...)  > He is a good programmer who just has the pleasure to use C for coding purposes.   >         -- > F >   If you really want speed, I'd look to RMS, or to low-level $qio orD >   $io_perform calls.  (The latter system service calls are akin to( >   the ioctl-level operations on UNIX.)  @ I'll do that. The point was that the code should be portable but@ obviously on that level it can't be. The $io_perform seems to be> the synchronous system call that really performs the write and
 then returns.n   >         -- > E >   If you use C, I'd specify the preallocation and extend sizes thattI >   are appropriate to your use, and MBF and MBC settings as appropriate."D >   (Please see the documentation of the OpenVMS extensions that areE >   available on the Compaq C open() and creat() calls in the creat()s >   call documentation.)  4 Thanks, great. This is (now) obiously the way to go.  P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:32:38 +0000t) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>z  Subject: Re: UNIX write vs VMS ?, Message-ID: <3A8DC6A6.F9D52CDE@infopuls.com>   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > O > In Unix, write() is a syscall. In VMS, it is done by the C RTL, I presume. IncP > any case, VMS doesn't do such stupid things, so you don't have to worry. OTOH,P > you can keep the loop if properly coded - it will execute once, and that's it. > 
 >         Jan   ? Thanks, but I will throw out the loop because on that level theu> code can't be the same and I think it clutters the source if I have a superflous loop.1   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:00:39 -0600.% From: "steve smith" <ssmith@lbpc.com>  Subject: Re: Version numbers% Message-ID: <dVdj6.15$ic7.607@client>2  : If you need to keep the logfiles for specific reasons, try  ; $ rename/sinc=yester/before=today xxxxx.log xxxx.log_'date'n   --
 Norman Deliseh System Manager Information Technology Law Bulletin Publishing Co.  (312)644-7807 Ext.137o (312)644-4355 Faxc ndelise@LBPC.com http://www.lawbulletin.com: "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3A8CDB8A.51C0B77@videotron.ca...dL > There was discussion about how to handle the 32k limit of version numbers. >r6 > My suggestion for this is to add a switch to PURGE : >-J > PURGE/RESET would rename files so that the lowest numbered version would be 1.t >BK > PURGE/RESET/KEEP=0 would not delete any file, but just do the renumbering- down > to 0.7 >CK > This way, when applications are started, they can use a simple command to2> > reset their log files to numbers that are always manageable. > # > Right now, the easiest way is to:s >x > PURGE *.*e > RENAME *.*  ;1 >e2 > However you lose multiple versions of the files.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:52:14 -0500e# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>p Subject: Re: version numbers. + Message-ID: <3A8D4CAE.809EBA10@hsc.vcu.edu>r   Hey, Thanks!!!   Jim    Peter Weaver wrote:a > 2 > "Jim Agnew" <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> wrote in message' > news:3A8D3519.3F1182D8@hsc.vcu.edu...sF > > There was posted a looong time ago a com file that actually lookedC > for files that had version numbers greater than whatever was yourt( > > limit... Maybe the archives have it? > >s > E > Here is a procedure that I run from time to time, it uses DFU V2.7."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:51:16 -0500h- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>u Subject: Re: version numbers.e( Message-ID: <3A8D92BF.698C050E@ohio.edu>  O The self-re-submitting batch job log file hitting the version limit and blowingn1 away the job was my first exposure to this issue.F  D I suggest a new /RENUMBER option on the PURGE command as the naturalK enhancement.  When you are throwing away the old files is a natural time to.K decide that you want them renumbered.  This could be combined easily with a B /ADJACENT modifier.  The default on PURGE would be /NORENUMBER andH /NOADJACENT.  There are no conflicting existing modifiers for PURGE (theJ existing /NOCONFIRM would conflict within four characters with the earlier- suggestion in this thread for /NOCONTIGUOUS).t  #                                 RDPs     John Macallister wrote:-  N > One facet of version numbers which may not be obvious, or perhaps overlookedL > until it rears its ugly head, is the passage of time. We have several dataM > and program directories which have been in continuous existence since early N > 1981. 32767 versions may appear vast but it represents only 4-5 versions perJ > day. A regular job running every six hours, producing a log file or someL > other new file each time, would be hitting the 32767 limit now. I've foundJ > that I've had to manually rename a few multiple version files in various* > places to avoid version number problems.   [snip]   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:01:23 GMT 4 From: "James McCrary" <jim.mccrary@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: version numbers. G Message-ID: <nC1j6.12141$Nj5.787308@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>f   Hi John.  C It has been a long time since I have fooled with this issue, (it isi definatly not new).o  A You need to be careful with this but as I recall there is a. "seto file/version_limit" command.  ' Be careful!!  read the help thoroughly.n   Jim McCraryrE "John Macallister" <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> wrote in messagenF news:35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA24011205A@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk...C > One facet of version numbers which may not be obvious, or perhapsg
 overlookedL > until it rears its ugly head, is the passage of time. We have several dataG > and program directories which have been in continuous existence since  earlysJ > 1981. 32767 versions may appear vast but it represents only 4-5 versions perhJ > day. A regular job running every six hours, producing a log file or someL > other new file each time, would be hitting the 32767 limit now. I've foundJ > that I've had to manually rename a few multiple version files in various* > places to avoid version number problems. >tI > It takes even less time for FTP and DECnet log files to reach the limite anduI > there's nothing in the standard procedures to prevent a version  numberoI > problem arising. Simple purging isn't enough to avoid the version limithK > problem: it's also necessary to rename the files to lower version numbershI > e.g. to 1,2,...,n if keeping n versions. I've modified our local server  .com@ > FTP and DECnet files to rename as well as purge the log files. > I > Unless you're able to globally rename all files to, say, version 1 from- timeK > to time it's a good idea to review the distribution of version numbers onfL > your disks e.g. by simply using the dir command and tabulating the versionL > numbers. Doing this will help to warn you where version numbers are rising > to problem values. >e > John >eD > Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukJ > Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKC > Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)n >o >r   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Feb 2001 00:25:07 +0100) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam)s Subject: Re: version numbers.r! Message-ID: <mmZDD7DlGYQM@ludens>   X In article <3A8D92BF.698C050E@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:Q > The self-re-submitting batch job log file hitting the version limit and blowingd3 > away the job was my first exposure to this issue.t > F > I suggest a new /RENUMBER option on the PURGE command as the natural > enhancement.     The problem is the following:      today, this is safe to use $ PURGE mylogfile.log ?   within batch job. The PURGE command does not access the last t   version of this file.e  D   Your hipotetical PURGE/RENUMBER must be access the last version of&   given file to renumbering it. So the   $ PURGE/RENUMBER mylogile.logC  <   should be failed when use with the current job's log file.     This is not a right solution.   7 To avoid a version flooding I used to do the following:t  ( $ submit/nolog ! prevent direct logging    In the command file:  % $	actlog="my_disk:[my_dir]my_log.log"n $a $	if f$search(actlog) .eqs. ""- $	then open /write/share=read ACTLOG 'actlog'.2 $	else if f$file(actlog,"RFM") .eqs. "VFC" .and. - 		f$file(actlog,"FSZ") .eq. 2<8 $	    then open /append/share=read ACTLOG 'acron_actlog'7 $	    else open /write/share=read ACTLOG 'acron_actlog'l $	    endife $	endifo  $	define/nolog sys$output ACTLOG $	define/nolog sys$error ACTLOGe  + This produces a continous-writing log file.      Regards, Adam Maulise   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:35:23 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: version numbers.fL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1602012135240001@user-2ive7k1.dialup.mindspring.com>  @ In article <3A8D92BF.698C050E@ohio.edu>, piccard@ohio.edu wrote:  F > I suggest a new /RENUMBER option on the PURGE command as the naturalM > enhancement.  When you are throwing away the old files is a natural time tonM > decide that you want them renumbered.  This could be combined easily with a D > /ADJACENT modifier.  The default on PURGE would be /NORENUMBER andJ > /NOADJACENT.  There are no conflicting existing modifiers for PURGE (theL > existing /NOCONFIRM would conflict within four characters with the earlier/ > suggestion in this thread for /NOCONTIGUOUS).@  G I think there's no requirement that qualifiers be unique in the first 4D1 characters.  Doesn't that only apply to the verb?a  H I agree with your suggestion; /RENUMBER and /ADJACENT and/or /CONTIGUOUS would be very useful.    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comf   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:10:52 -0600o7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: version numbers.i- Message-ID: <3A8DF9CC.5545F9DC@earthlink.net>A   Robert Deininger wrote:m > B > In article <3A8D92BF.698C050E@ohio.edu>, piccard@ohio.edu wrote: > H > > I suggest a new /RENUMBER option on the PURGE command as the naturalO > > enhancement.  When you are throwing away the old files is a natural time to-O > > decide that you want them renumbered.  This could be combined easily with aSF > > /ADJACENT modifier.  The default on PURGE would be /NORENUMBER andL > > /NOADJACENT.  There are no conflicting existing modifiers for PURGE (theN > > existing /NOCONFIRM would conflict within four characters with the earlier1 > > suggestion in this thread for /NOCONTIGUOUS).i > I > I think there's no requirement that qualifiers be unique in the first 4r3 > characters.  Doesn't that only apply to the verb?  > J > I agree with your suggestion; /RENUMBER and /ADJACENT and/or /CONTIGUOUS > would be very useful.t  F I wrote a piece of DCL that does two RENAMEs by reversing the sequence+ of the characters in the extenstion, as in:    $ RENAME *.LOG;* *.GOL;M $ RENAME *.GOL;* *.LOG;L  G No, it's not "bullet-proof" - for example, it breaks if (*).GOL already%= exists, or in the case of such as "*.;*" (with no extension).   H Still, the technique can be useful, even when implemented outside of any automation.u   --   David J. Dachterac dba DJE SystemsP http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 05:35:58 +0100	2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: version numbers.6; Message-ID: <3a8dffae.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>E  $ Jim Agnew (agnew@hsc.vcu.edu) wrote:H > There was posted a looong time ago a com file that actually looked forH > files that had version numbers greater than whatever was your limit...  - Perhaps you were remembering the following...    cu,    Martin   [-- snip --]" From: NoT <ISODONOVAN@nwb.nwl.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  Subject: Re: version limit$ Message-ID: <01I95ME5NO9G03TPKU@NWB>+ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:48:25 +0000 (GMT)   ? > the version limit for  vms files has killed us more than once < > we are running vms 6.2 AND the limit is 32XXX...has anyone= > written any dcl procedures to look at all the files and fixiG > this problem periodically...our mis director seems to think we shouldtE > be monitoring all our nodes and disks and anticipate when this willt > occur.   Hi Bob,      Try this, it may help...6   "Use at your own risk" and "Modify tosuit yourself".   Cheers,m
    'o-Dzin   $  Verify = 'F$Verify(0) $!+:( $!  TITLE:        Version-Number-Control: $!                Limit Files to a maximum version number. $!               t $!  VERSION:      01-01a $!               S $!  FACILITY:     Generalh $!               e $!  ABSTRACT:     J $!                Version 32767 is an absolute maximum in VMS beyond whichK $!                no versions can be created.  If the file being created isoI $!                a job log file, for example, it will fail attempting tod8 $!                create a log file with version ;32768. $!A $!                This procedure looks for files matching a givenrE $!                specification that hav a version number equal to or E $!                in excess of a given value.  On finding such a file0= $!                it is purged and renamed back to version 1.o $!> $!                A given user can be notified of this action. $!               g $!  ENVIRONMENT:  Vax/Vmsc $!               t $!  PARAMETERS:   , $!                P1 = FileSpec (e.g. *.LOG)/ $!                P2 = Maximum version allowed. & $!                P3 = Someone to mail $!  
 $!  CALLS: $!                NONE $!   $!  TABLES/FILES ACCESSED:A $!           TABLE/FILE                        SEL  INS  UPD  DELp@ $!           <table/file name...............>   *    *    *    *. $!           <'*' indicates that action taken> $!5 $!  AUTHOR:       Brian O'Donovan, Inmos, 11-Jun-1990  $!                 C $!  CHANGE HISTORY: -- $!5 $!  Version -  Date       -  Initials -  Changes Madev $!1 $!  01-01   -  11-Jun-90  -  BO'D     -  Originals $! $!-l $  SET NOONo $! $!+  $!  Get Parameters $!-  $  FileSpec = "''P1'"y $  VNLimit  = "''P2'"h $  Contact  = "''P3'"e $! $!+t $!  Set Defaults $!- . $  IF ("''FileSpec'".EQS."") THEN $GOTO Finish $!3 $  IF ("''VNLimit'".EQS."")  THEN VNLimit = "32000"t $! $  VNLimit = F$INTEGER(VNLimit)C- $  IF (VNLimit.LE.0)     THEN VNLimit = 32000 - $  IF (VNLimit.GT.32766) THEN VNLimit = 32766- $! $!D $  yyyymmddhhmmsscc = F$CVTIME(,,"DATETIME")-"-"-"-"-" "-":"-":"-"."7 $  MailFile         = "VNC$''yyyymmddhhmmsscc'$MAI.TMP"m7 $  DirFile          = "VNC$''yyyymmddhhmmsscc'$DIR.TMP"0 $  SendMail         = "N"h $  FilesFound       = 0u $  FilesPurged      = 0I $  FilesFailed      = 0- $!! $  User = F$GETJPI("","USERNAME")  $! $  OPEN/WRITE MaiTmp 'MailFile'e $  WRITE      MaiTmp " "D $  WRITE      MaiTmp "VERSION-NUMBER-CONTROL started at ''F$TIME()'"1 $  DirOnly = F$PARSE("''FileSpec'",,,"DIRECTORY")  $  WRITE      MaiTmp " "" $  WRITE      MaiTmp "---------- ", $  WRITE      MaiTmp "Directory ''DirOnly'."U $  WRITE      MaiTmp "Limiting files matching ''FileSpec' to max version ''VNLimit'." ^ $  WRITE      MaiTmp "Ensuring that files do not reach the VMS maximum version number ;32767 "" $  WRITE      MaiTmp "---------- " $  WRITE      MaiTmp " " $!A $  Directory/Column=1/Noheader/Notrailer/Out='DirFile' 'FileSpec'o $! $  OPEN/READ DirTmp 'DirFile'd $  PrevFile = ""	 $DirLoop:m" $  READ/END=DirLoopEnd DirTmp File, $  Version  = F$PARSE("''File'",,,"VERSION")) $  FileName = F$PARSE("''File'",,,"NAME")e! $  FileNoVersion = File - version - $  IF ("''FileNoVersion'".NES."''PrevFile'") k $  THENo $    VersionNo = Version - ";"% $    VersionNo = F$INTEGER(VersionNo)i $    IF (VersionNo.GT.VNLimit) t	 $    THENr" $      FilesFound = FilesFound + 1 $      SendMail = "Y"d' $      WRITE MaiTmp     "File: ''File'"a' $      WRITE Sys$OutPut "File: ''File'"s  $      PURGE/LOG 'FileNoVersion' $      Purge_Status = $Statuse $      IF (.NOT.Purge_Status)  $      THEN 0 $        Purge_Message = F$MESSAGE(Purge_Status); $        WRITE MaiTmp "  Could not purge: ''Purge_Message'"d& $        FilesFailed = FilesFailed + 1
 $      ELSE  u, $        RENAME/LOG 'File' 'FileNoVersion';1  $        Rename_Status = $Status  $        IF (.NOT.Rename_Status)
 $        THENc4 $          Rename_Message = F$MESSAGE(Rename_Status)> $          WRITE MaiTmp "  Could not rename: ''Rename_Status'"( $          FilesFailed = FilesFailed + 1
 $        ELSEoA $          WRITE MaiTmp "  Purged and renamed back to version 1."-( $          FilesPurged = FilesPurged + 1 $        ENDIF $      ENDIF
 $    ENDIF $    PrevFile = FileNoVersionc $  ENDIF $  GOTO DirLoop  $DirLoopEnd: $  CLOSE DirTmpi $  DELETE 'DirFile'; $! $  WRITE      MaiTmp " "h $  WRITE      MaiTmp "''FilesFound' Found, ''FilesPurged' Purged, ''FilesFailed' Failed to purge/rename" $  WRITE      MaiTmp " "E $  WRITE      MaiTmp "VERSION-NUMBER-CONTROL finished at ''F$TIME()'"w $  WRITE      MaiTmp " " $! $  CLOSE MaiTmp  $!( $  WRITE Sys$OutPut "vvvv ---- mailfile" $  TYPE   'MailFile'( $  WRITE Sys$OutPut "^^^^ ---- mailfile" $!/ $  IF ("''Contact'".EQS."") THEN SendMail = "N"  $  IF (SendMail) - $  THEN-( $    Mail 'MailFile' 'Contact' /NOSELF -6        /SUBJECT="VNC: for ''FileSpec' (in ''DirOnly')" $  ENDIF $  DELETE 'MailFile';d $! $! $Finish: $! $  Verify = F$Verify(Verify) $  EXITr $!+i! $!  End of Version-Number-Controle $!-b   --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de4J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 03:49:00 GMTw From: Andy <kicsi2l8@home.com>& Subject: vms documentation (RE newbie)( Message-ID: <3A8DF439.C43947AC@home.com>  F Thanks for all the input, I brought home some of the documentation and manuals,.....hmmmhmmm fun :)  
 Thanks again!    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:22:45 GMTh2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)5 Subject: Re: VMS lock management issue -- help wanted 6 Message-ID: <Vdej6.38$fY5.313@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  t In article <96hie8$q24$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu>, "Russell E. Owen" <owen@astroNOJNK.washington.edu.invalid> writes:J :I've been using the VMS lock manager fairly successfully for many years, E :but some of its limitations are leading to rare bugs in my code. In 0J :particular, I am stumbling into problems caused by: whenever a held lock G :is converted to a lower state, the VMS lock manager looks through the 2I :conversion and waiting queues and grants all requests until it comes to aD :one that is not compatible, at which point it stops. My code would < :really like *all* compatible queued requests to be granted.  C   Well, that's not what you asked for...  You asked for it to wait.2B   If you wanted an expedited lock grant, please see the following:  '     http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/i:       72final/5841/5841pro_051.html#expeditinglockrequests   :...I :An item of data can be read or written by any of a number of processes.  A :One should always be able to read if possible. Access modes are:t :- reads8 :- read/hold: read the data and lock out other read/hold4 :  or write users while allowing regular read access7 :- write: write and release, being sure not to intefereo :  with anybody who is reading, :- release: release a hold (without writing)  G   I'd consider using shared memory and queues, and I'd consider the userI   of RMS.  Both can provide the required mechanisms.  In the case of RMS,lG   cluster-distributed access and fully coordinated distributed caching r-   (via RMS global buffers) are also provided.   I :(An improved lock manager would also fix the misfeature that one cannot eI :always get a null lock right away. If any lock requests are queued then l8 :a new lock request is always queued, even a null lock.      See above...   :...I first learned I :about this in 1988 and as far as I can tell, VMS still has this strange t
 :problem.)  E   There have been a number of changes to the lock manager since V5.0 rD   (1988), and there are collection of changes queued for release in F   OpenVMS V7.3.  We have some recent performance-enhancing changes to    how RMS uses locks, as well.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:01:22 GMT + From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan)o Subject: Re: VMS Umbrella 1 Message-ID: <m9cj6.65$qu3.11817@news.goodnet.com>-  G > It just occurred to me that maybe we should all get OpenVMS teeshirts @ > and start going to student clubs like Alan Grieg mentioned,... >g   T shirt6          "OpenVMS" n            - "Because Downtime Sucks"        ' Jacket/golf regalia/bumper sticker, etce                 "OpenVMS"                    - & "How much did downtime cost YOU today"     Off the top of my head...i   Rich Jordant rjordan@mcs.netc   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:41:15 GMT<2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: VMSINSTAL to POLYCENTER INSTALL tool?6 Message-ID: <vnfj6.44$fY5.163@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  T In article <3A8CE8CB.86854C9@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:  & :..Does anyone know about such tool...  H   Such a conversion tool -- from VMSINSTAL DCL to PCSI -- would be news G   to me.  You would not need the translation tool for the simple case, sG   and the complex cases would be far more complex than I could envisione5   reasonable success with an automated translation...t  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Feb 2001 14:35:15 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.591748.killspam.00bc (Wayne Sewell)n8 Subject: Re: What databases are still available on vms ?. Message-ID: <8l3Hv02+GKIC@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  X In article <3A8B154C.7E48EBD2@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: > David Mathog wrote:v >> i[ >> In article <3A886E5F.F9923E97@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:. >> >Don Sykes wrote: >> >> N >> >> Borland has made Interbase 6.0 "open source", but no one has ported thisH >> >> version to VMS yet. However. Compaq in Europe has indicated it was >> >> interested in doing so. M >> >> I ported the last version to VMS in '98 - that was 4.0. I don't know ifeN >> >> 4.0 on VMS is free, but if Borland ok'd it I have all the suff available >> >> here.E	 >> >> Donc >> >>r$ >> >> "Jean-Franois Marchal" wrote: >> >>p >> >> > Hi all ! >> >> >a9 >> >> > What datadabases are still available on OpenVMS ?3 >> >> > Any freeware ? >> >> >o >> >> > Cheers >> >> > Jean-Franois Marchal  >> >> > X9000- LYON (FR) >> >C >> >I read good things about the architecture of Interbase. What isrC >> >the implementation language? If it's a good one (not C/C++) I'm@ >> >in., >> hG >> It's C.  Pretty good C too, I was able to compile most of it withouth >> the compiler puking.  >> oM >> It required "named pipes" to work, and there's no such thing in VMS.  That I >> sort of function could be provided with native mechanisms but it wouldn1 >> require a substantial amount of work to do so.  >> , >> David Mathogu  >> mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduA >> Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltecho > < > Thanks, very helpful answer. I'm still interested. If it'sA > really good C than I would go for writing a translator into one , > of my favourite languages - don't ask ;-).> > How many lines of code? How many header files? How many body > files? > > > For the named pipe problem: it surely requires a substantial@ > amount of work if it solved in a way that performs. The simple= > solution would be using mailboxes and crack the stream into(: > messages. But I don't think this will perform very well.  H On 7.2 and later, you have ICC available.  It's supposed to be much moreL efficient than mailboxen, though I haven't personally done any timing tests.     --  O ===============================================================================sM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx-: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)gO =============================================================================== B Cute Girl, to Curly: "Oh, what a beautiful head of bone you have!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:58:21 +1300g6 From: "antony wardle" <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz>& Subject: which shadow patch do I need?/ Message-ID: <uihj6.769$v4.35160@ozemail.com.au>   ) what patch do I need to fix this problem?o  4 The machines that mounted the disk is ds20e 7-2-11h1  + the machines that can't mount the disks are    7.1 axp machines and a 6.2 vax.i   cheers   antony        JET$ mount/cluster dsa70: data_7+ %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, DATA_7 mounted on _DSA70:eB %MOUNT-I-ISAMBR, _$1$DGA70: (METJET) is a member of the shadow set; %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METMINs5 -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure levela; %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METSAT/5 -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure levelD; %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METTST-5 -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure levelm; %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METMAX:5 -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure levele; %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METC01<5 -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure level  J    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:57:13 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>f* Subject: Re: which shadow patch do I need?2 Message-ID: <3A8DB104.A90E402C@clarityconnect.com>   For OpenVMS VAX V6.2 NC VAXMOUN04_062 which has a prereq of VAXCLUSIO01_062 and postreqs ofJ; VAXSYSA02_062, VAXINIT01_062, VAXBACK03_062, VAXMTAA03_062, 
 VAXDISM02_062i   For OpenVMS Alpha V7.1A ALPMOUN07_071 which has postreqs of ALPSYSA02_071, ALPBACK04_071,t+ ALPDISM01_071, ALPINIT01_071, ALPMTAA01_071r  F You will of course need to check all of these kits to see if there areH any other prereqs or postreqs.  Start here to review and download all ofF these patches http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml     antony wardle wrote: > + > what patch do I need to fix this problem?  > 6 > The machines that mounted the disk is ds20e 7-2-11h1 > - > the machines that can't mount the disks aren > ! > 7.1 axp machines and a 6.2 vax.a >  > cheers >  > antony > " > JET$ mount/cluster dsa70: data_7- > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, DATA_7 mounted on _DSA70:bD > %MOUNT-I-ISAMBR, _$1$DGA70: (METJET) is a member of the shadow set= > %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METMIN 7 > -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure level:= > %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METSATt7 > -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure levelp= > %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METTSTe7 > -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure level,= > %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METMAX-7 > -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure level0= > %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METC01c7 > -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure levelf > J7   -- oD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:11:40 +1300r6 From: "antony wardle" <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz>* Subject: Re: which shadow patch do I need?/ Message-ID: <Afjj6.823$v4.37399@ozemail.com.au>1   Thanks mate,   your a bloody life saver.o     antony    < "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> wrote in message, news:3A8DB104.A90E402C@clarityconnect.com... > For OpenVMS VAX V6.2E > VAXMOUN04_062 which has a prereq of VAXCLUSIO01_062 and postreqs ofe= > VAXSYSA02_062, VAXINIT01_062, VAXBACK03_062, VAXMTAA03_062,  > VAXDISM02_062e >h > For OpenVMS Alpha V7.1C > ALPMOUN07_071 which has postreqs of ALPSYSA02_071, ALPBACK04_071,i- > ALPDISM01_071, ALPINIT01_071, ALPMTAA01_071  >VH > You will of course need to check all of these kits to see if there areJ > any other prereqs or postreqs.  Start here to review and download all ofH > these patches http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml >  >  > antony wardle wrote: > > - > > what patch do I need to fix this problem?e > >m8 > > The machines that mounted the disk is ds20e 7-2-11h1 > >e/ > > the machines that can't mount the disks are  > > # > > 7.1 axp machines and a 6.2 vax.f > >t
 > > cheers > > 
 > > antony > >a$ > > JET$ mount/cluster dsa70: data_7/ > > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, DATA_7 mounted on _DSA70:sF > > %MOUNT-I-ISAMBR, _$1$DGA70: (METJET) is a member of the shadow set? > > %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METMIN 9 > > -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure leveld? > > %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METSATc9 > > -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure levelI? > > %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METTST 9 > > -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure level2? > > %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METMAXa9 > > -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure levelL? > > %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METC01 9 > > -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure level. > > J  >  > --F > Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY/ > - jilly@clarityconnect.com - Brett Bodine fan - > - Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com - since 1975 or so!- > - http://www.jilly.baka.com               -M   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:39:24 -0500S2 From: "Carmine Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com>$ Subject: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A+ Message-ID: <96jl3t$e1s$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   K I am considering setting up an AlphaServer 1200A as a Win NT server on a 30NJ user LAN.  Any comments on the latest version of Win NT or Win 2000 ServerC which would be supported would be appreciated, as well as any other. concerns/comments.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Feb 2001 17:06:54 GMT# From: idr@hep.ucl.ac.uk (Ivan Reid) ( Subject: Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A2 Message-ID: <slrn98qnhf.1du.idr@ax9.hep.ucl.ac.uk>  N On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:39:24 -0500, Carmine Castiglia <ccastiglia@engsint.com>*  wrote in <96jl3t$e1s$1@bob.news.rcn.net>:L >I am considering setting up an AlphaServer 1200A as a Win NT server on a 30K >user LAN.  Any comments on the latest version of Win NT or Win 2000 Server"D >which would be supported would be appreciated, as well as any other >concerns/comments.   C 	You mean apart from the fact that Compaq discontinued Win NT/Alpha F about two years ago, let alone that it never released Win2K for Alpha?   -- tN Ivan Reid, Physics & Astronomy, University College London.   idr@hep.ucl.ac.ukE GSX600F, RG250WD.     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484	JKLO# 003, 005 N WP7# 3000   LC Unit #2368 (tinlc)   UKMC#00009   BOTAFOT#16     UKRMMA#7 (Hon)< 	KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:19:21 GMT'( From: wkb@freebie.demon.nl (Wilko Bulte)( Subject: Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A; Message-ID: <982358361.9107.0.pluto.d4ee3665@news.demon.nl>   O In <slrn98qnhf.1du.idr@ax9.hep.ucl.ac.uk> idr@hep.ucl.ac.uk (Ivan Reid) writes:   O >On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:39:24 -0500, Carmine Castiglia <ccastiglia@engsint.com> + > wrote in <96jl3t$e1s$1@bob.news.rcn.net>:lM >>I am considering setting up an AlphaServer 1200A as a Win NT server on a 30oL >>user LAN.  Any comments on the latest version of Win NT or Win 2000 ServerE >>which would be supported would be appreciated, as well as any otherI >>concerns/comments.  D >	You mean apart from the fact that Compaq discontinued Win NT/AlphaG >about two years ago, let alone that it never released Win2K for Alpha?_  F Make that: Microsoft dropped the Alpha version of NT4 and Win2K indeedF never saw a real release version for Alpha. I *think* there were betas2 out there for the alpha (but have never seen one).   W/ --F |   / o / /  _  	 Arnhem, The Netherlands    	email: wilko@freebsd.orgB |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte	 http://www.freebsd.org 	http://www.nlfug.nl   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2001 10:48:24 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)# Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com 3 Message-ID: <D$kZI$ZqI3K5@eisner.encompasserve.org>'  U In article <3A8C094D.E01D8B60@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:E > Robert Deininger wrote:  > M >> I guess he means the only reason the system was down in October was due to"F >> the power cycle.  Otherwise it would have been up since, say, 1983. > E > I read somewhere that VMS should be rebooted every two years (?) to" > reset the clock. >   E You read wrong.  Typical time of year clocks hold 18 months or more. tG Variations of set time as found in syshutdown.com will reset the clock.   D You only need to do the proper set time, not the whole shutdown.com.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupeE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying/   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2001 10:49:58 -05004 From: koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)# Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.comi3 Message-ID: <R7rDIzSpcWn0@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  Q In article <01021507533804@lto.locktrack.com>, l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com writes:o > M > On second thought, since the application habit of "writing lots of log-data ( > into file which nobody ever looks at"   D Those kind of files are good candidates for storing on NLA0:.  Never runs out of version numbers.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationd= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupwE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinga   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:03:28 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)# Subject: RE: www.openvms.compaq.com 6 Message-ID: <QXdj6.34$fY5.313@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  Z In article <0033000016371091000002L012*@MHS>, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:  G :    I *knew* that it was VMS, it's just noteworthy that Compaq finallyi6 :    put up a webserver that was actually running VMS! :l< :    It was not always thus- (or I missed the announcement.)  F   The OpenVMS external website has been implemented on OpenVMS for as    long as I can recall.a  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Feb 2001 20:36:14 GMT0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)# Subject: RE: www.openvms.compaq.coml* Message-ID: <96k2vu$9d8@usenet.pa.dec.com>   re: running on OpenVMS..  H The openvms web server went live on May 8th 1995. Running OSU server. WeK switched to Purveyor in Aug 1995 and it has been running with Purveyor evercP since. I have a project in place to migrate to Apache at some time this year but% I have to re-do all cgi-scripts etc. s  C We have always been running on a OpenVMS system. We started with an)I AS200 4/233 system in a cluster configuration. Since we never failed overaK in 2 years of running we switched one out to be the Altavista search enginesJ server for Digital.com. Then we upgraded to some AS1000's and have been on them ever since (4 years).    @ We switched domains last summer from www.openvms.digital.com to G www.openvms.compaq.com. From running a dual name in October we went to eF just www.openvms.compaq.com and having a smart re-director running as I www.openvms.digital.com (this is a unix box but they it's unix software).o  K We are monitoring the logs watching as the digital.com side references slow-M down until we remove the smart re-director and then just go to a re-direct ofnF any www.openvms.digital.com url to the openvms home page. (the same is8 happening with tru64unix.compaq.com vs unix.digital.com)  7 You can do some 'commands' on the openvms web server at:5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/misc/about_server.html s  > That page isn't 'hooked up' anyplace and is sort of old but...  ) you can do a show system, show memory etco   -warren    --  B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.com 3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875-6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ fB ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:04:34 -07008% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>M# Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.como) Message-ID: <3A8D95E2.3E5021A0@rdrop.com>e   Bob Koehler wrote: > S > In article <01021507533804@lto.locktrack.com>, l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com writes:o > > O > > On second thought, since the application habit of "writing lots of log-datav) > > into file which nobody ever looks at"t > F > Those kind of files are good candidates for storing on NLA0:.  Never > runs out of version numbers.  F Ah, but now we get back to needing redundant fail-safe null devices...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:18:39 GMTa' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>a# Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.coma- Message-ID: <3A8D9915.CBC8FD95@theblakes.com>8   Warren Sander wrote:  9 > You can do some 'commands' on the openvms web server ats6 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/misc/about_server.html  K http://www.openvms.compaq.com/misc/about-server.html works a lot better :-)r   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Feb 2001 20:19:46 GMT0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)# Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.comV* Message-ID: <96k212$9d8@usenet.pa.dec.com>  B No a restart of my server causes the startup dcl procedure for theJ web server to start which does a purge of old copies of the worker process log files. r  G I was just writing that the server hasn't been down and therfore hasn'trG hasn't restarted since October. Usually there is a quarterly SCHEDULED aH couple of minute shutdown at the hosting facility to do maintance on theJ backup power system (don't ask me why) but the system has worked correctlyE several times (guy ran into a power pole and knocked out power in the J entire building once) so I don't complain if they do the maintaince. I getH lots of notice and it usually happens early morning on saturday which isL my lowest activity level and only takes about 10 minutes of hard down time. J I'm usually down about 30 minutes cause they shut things down in order andK I go before some of the ecommerce systems (I don't handle money). Then wheneL the power comes back on I reboot and am up and running in about 3-4 minutes.  ; I'm usually up and running before the network is re-sync'edi      -- iB ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.com?3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875s6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ sB ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:57:33 -0600e* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov># Subject: RE: www.openvms.compaq.como- Message-ID: <0033000016482947000002L072*@MHS>=  ! =0AOkay, Hoff, I stand corrected.= (redface mode off)  : I remember some threadspeak in the past decrying Digital's& non-use of VMS boxen for its websites.   Look at the website.  2 There's that nice "leaping cat" AlphaPowered logo,= (and, Mary Ellen, if you're lurking, it IS a very nice logo),=? but where's any mention that the website is hosted on a machine=; running VMS?  I'll buy why NorthernLight can't be forced to , use a bigger graphic, but the home VMS site?  < I still maintain that a VMS shark logo would be penultimate.   WWWebb   Oh.  Eckert says hello.j   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET.' Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 3:23 PMp6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET# Subject: RE: www.openvms.compaq.como    : In article <0033000016371091000002L012*@MHS>, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:t  H :    I *knew* that it was VMS, it's just noteworthy that Compaq finally=  6 :    put up a webserver that was actually running VMS! :T< :    It was not always thus- (or I missed the announcement.)  E   The OpenVMS external website has been implemented on OpenVMS for asS   long as I can recall.o  H  --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------= -------IH    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.de= c.com=   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:28:44 -0500A- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t# Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com7+ Message-ID: <3A8DA997.43BB8C6@videotron.ca>F  F > > return a negative version (in the sense that -32767 to -1 could beM > > represented as 32768 - 65535 (or vice versus at a binary level)).  Making@& > > the version unsigned should be ok.  G On the other hand, allowing signed version numbers would have some most> interesting features.2    I How about a file system where the current version number is always 1, andS* subsequent files are give -1, -2, -3 etc ?  J This way, you wouldn't have to worry about ever growing version numbers. A- purge would always get you back to version 1.D   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:18:37 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)# Subject: RE: www.openvms.compaq.come6 Message-ID: <NOgj6.45$fY5.387@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  ] In article <96k2vu$9d8@usenet.pa.dec.com>, sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) writes: 8 :You can do some 'commands' on the openvms web server at6 :http://www.openvms.compaq.com/misc/about_server.html   ;   For best flavor, please swap the underscore for a hyphen:   8     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/misc/about-server.html  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:31:55 +0000e) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> # Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.comF, Message-ID: <3A8DB86B.6F1AD18E@infopuls.com>   JF Mezei wrote:I > H > > > return a negative version (in the sense that -32767 to -1 could beO > > > represented as 32768 - 65535 (or vice versus at a binary level)).  MakingT( > > > the version unsigned should be ok. > I > On the other hand, allowing signed version numbers would have some mostT > interesting features.C > K > How about a file system where the current version number is always 1, andt, > subsequent files are give -1, -2, -3 etc ? > L > This way, you wouldn't have to worry about ever growing version numbers. A/ > purge would always get you back to version 1.   @ Brillant. The most interesting feature would be that the version@ number of a file would change if a new version of this file will be created.R   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:37:27 -0600o/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>r# Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com<3 Message-ID: <3A8DD5D7.B7BC82C6@applied-synergy.com>B   JF Mezei wrote:y > H > > > return a negative version (in the sense that -32767 to -1 could beO > > > represented as 32768 - 65535 (or vice versus at a binary level)).  MakingV( > > > the version unsigned should be ok. > I > On the other hand, allowing signed version numbers would have some mostA > interesting features.7 > K > How about a file system where the current version number is always 1, andh, > subsequent files are give -1, -2, -3 etc ? > L > This way, you wouldn't have to worry about ever growing version numbers. A/ > purge would always get you back to version 1.l  E What do I do when my job aborts because version -32767 is already outh there?  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com s   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 03:14:13 GMTuL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")# Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com_8 Message-ID: <009F7BD5.1C91ED9B@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  [ In article <3A8DA997.43BB8C6@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:oG >> > return a negative version (in the sense that -32767 to -1 could be N >> > represented as 32768 - 65535 (or vice versus at a binary level)).  Making' >> > the version unsigned should be ok.2 > H >On the other hand, allowing signed version numbers would have some most >interesting features. >f > J >How about a file system where the current version number is always 1, and+ >subsequent files are give -1, -2, -3 etc ?f > K >This way, you wouldn't have to worry about ever growing version numbers. Ag. >purge would always get you back to version 1.  K Didn't OS/360 and subsequent do this?  Instead of version numbers, they had M generation numbers (expressed in parentheses), so the current THING(0) didn't- rule out getting THING(-1).:   -- AalnS  O ===============================================================================r0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-30563M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================m   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.095 ************************