0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 18 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 98      Contents:  Re: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor
 Re: Authorize 
 Re: Authorize  eBay outage $ Generation of dynamic images for web, Re: heads up - OpenVMS Technical update days
 Re: newbie Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items  Re: Renaming directories. How? Re: Renaming directories. How? Re: Renaming directories. How? Re: Renaming directories. How? TREE/SWING updates Re: TZ87 DLT Drive Connection  Re: TZ87 DLT Drive Connection  Re: UNIX write vs VMS ?  Re: Version numbers  Re: Version numbers ! VMS dropped as client OS by Eurex ! Re: which shadow patch do I need?  Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A  Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A  Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:17:24 +0100 ( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>) Subject: Re: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor & Message-ID: <3A8FBD54.29388176@cli.de>   "Nikita V. Belenki" wrote: >   > by the way, where do all these5 > factory-test-failed CPUs go? May I pick up some? ;)  > 4 Yes, those chip-dies make up nice earclips for both,2 the non- and the computerinterested girlfriend ;-)   --  C B.Eckstein, TTi Entwicklungszentrum GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Feb 2001 06:39:26 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Authorize3 Message-ID: <RjI$gGDjcHur@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <XJ9j6.43186$gb1.1610032@news4.aus1.giganews.com>, "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com> writes:= > Recently, I ran authorize on a test ID on a test VMS system ? > ( this system was not under security ) and reset the Password : > lifetime.  This got one of the sys admins nose all bent. > 9 > So how did he know I ran authorize on the test user ID? $ > ps- I have bypass on the test box.  K Besides all the technical answers you already received, consider that those K with a privilege like BYPASS are the _most_ likely candidates to be audited , in circumstances that do not involve SYSUAF.  H You did not say whether the password lifetime you reset was that for theJ username with BYPASS, but that is a particularly dangerous action.  HighlyL privileged usernames need protection more than other usernames.  (Presuming,G of course, that you made the value have a longer lifetime rather than a 
 shorter one.)   N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:20:46 +0100 ( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de> Subject: Re: Authorize% Message-ID: <3A8FBE1E.1B563BE@cli.de>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:P > ==============================================================================P > Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersP > ==============================================================================     Hey, this one's great. :-)   --  C B.Eckstein, TTi Entwicklungszentrum GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Feb 2001 07:22:13 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: eBay outage3 Message-ID: <69SnVcEOHcd$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   E It is Sunday morning, and since the "My eBay" feature is not working, A I have nothing better to do than read the eBay announcement page.    > User: aw@ebay.com  > Date: 02/18/01 > Time: 03:18:42 PST >  > ***System Status***  > N > Items in the eBay Home & Garden, Dolls and Bears, Stamps, Coins, Pottery andK > Glass, Photos, Electronics and Computers Categories were unavailable from I > 02:16 and 03:10 AM PST. Items in Books, Antiques and Art, Collectibles, N > Sports, Movies, and Music, were unavailable starting at 02:56 AM PST. We areH > working as quickly as possible to restore service to these categories. >  > Regards,   > eBay >  > User: aw@ebay.com  > Date: 02/16/01 > Time: 23:43:50 PST >  > *** System Status ***  >  >  > I > The eBay Site was unavailable between 18:29 PST and 18:56 PST, due to a J > hardware failure on our primary database. We switched over to our backupK > system as quickly and safely as possible. My eBay, Bid History and Seller < > Search were intermittantly unavailable until 21:37:25 PST. >  >  > N > Following Preventative Maintenance from 23:00 PST to 23:12 PST, all areas of% > the site are now fully accessible.   > 
 > Regards, > eBay  G Of course neither of those covers the particular problem I encountered, & so the above is not a definitive list.  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:45:51 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> - Subject: Generation of dynamic images for web , Message-ID: <3A8F8BB5.C88E04A9@videotron.ca>  J What are the various solutions used by those who run web servers on VMS to& provide dynamically generated images ?  L Does the application generate postscript and then sends it to Ghostscript to be converted to JPEG ?  K Or are there sets of subroutines one can use to build GIF files dynamically / and draw vectors, add images and text to them ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:57:16 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>5 Subject: Re: heads up - OpenVMS Technical update days + Message-ID: <VA.000002c1.5b3e2278@sture.ch>   C In article <t8u049qatjnp0c@news.supernews.com>, John Vottero wrote: ' > From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 7 > Subject: Re: heads up - OpenVMS Technical update days ' > Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:51:16 -0500  > L > "Wayne Sewell" <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.522739.killspam.00bb> wrote in message* > news:AG$dd8$2h1vf@tachxxsoftxxconsult...I > > In article <yJbj6.8$fY5.281@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>, "Sue Skonetski" & > <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes: > > > Dear Newsgroup,  > > > I > > > I wanted you to be aware that we currently have 3 OpenVMS Technical 	 > Updates N > > > scheduled.  One is Washington DC, one in Dallas Texas and one in London,M > > > England.  OpenVMS Engineers will be doing the sessions at these events.  > > > , > > > Washington DC is scheduled March 27&28 > > > & > > > The 2-day event will be held at: > > > 6 > > > University of Maryland Inn and Conference Center > > > * > > > University Boulevard at Adelphi Road > > > ' > > > College Park, Maryland 20742-1610  > > > K > > > Location directions, registration logistics and agenda details are on  > the ' > > > registration website shown below.  > > >  > > > www.compaq-signup.com  > > > M > > > Dallas Texas is scheduled for April 18-20th at the Sheraton Grand Hotel  > atH > > > Dallas/FT. Worth Airport. More details when they become available. > > > ' > > > London, England will be May 15-17  > > >  > > > Warm Regards,  > > >  > >  > > M > > I cannot get to this page using a vms browser.  netscape displays a blank  > pageE > > and mozilla dies a horrible death.  Is this yet another case of a  > vms-oriented> > > web page that can only be displayed on a billybox browser? > >  > 8 > The page contains nothing but a Shockwave Flash movie. > L > I don't know why anyone would support or use proprietary extensions to the > web. > N > I especially don't understand why Compaq would require the use of MacromediaE > products when Macromedia doesn't support OpenVMS or Tru64 or Alpha.  > K > And before anyone starts whining about me burying my head in the sand and K > pretending that VMS is a desktop O/S, I'm typing this on an Intel machine F > running Windows 2000 and IE 5.5.  But, I still have ActiveX controls: > disabled and I refuse to use proprietary web extensions. > I On a brighter note, I see that the OpenVMS Primer for System Managers at  J http://www.openvms.compaq.com/training.html offers the choice of "OpenVMS * Netscape V3.03". Somebody is listening :-) ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:57:16 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: newbie + Message-ID: <VA.000002c0.5b3e1ff7@sture.ch>   K In article <Pine.LNX.4.20.0102171956200.28318-100000@coffeepot.matt>, Matt  
 London wrote:  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms ' > Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:11:10 +0000 % > From: Matt London <matt@knm.yi.org>  > Subject: Re: newbie  >  > Hi,  >  > > Andy wrote:  > > > K > > > I just started a position where i will be using open VMS extensively, N > > > and am wondering if this NG has any recommendations on books that covers3 > > > a broad range,...intro, commands, admin, etc.  > > > M > > > Any ideas appreciated,....local bookstores were not much help,..nothing  > > > in stock > > A > > While the others recommendations are all valid there could be D > > something we might take into account: what is your experience soA > > far, what do you know? What will you do with the system? Will . > > you be a sysadmin, a programmer or a user? >  > I'm also a newbie :&)  > D > I've just aquired a microvax 3100 m10e with VAX/VMS-5.4 and NetBSDI > installed on it - and while I'm nice and at home with *BSD, I'd love to K > get into VMS. My first thought was "let's check out the online VMS docs", F > but I'm so much more at home with stuff on paper :&/ I did wonder ifG > anyone knew any resoure, be it online, book, whatever that introduced I > admining/using VMS from a unix user's perspective. If not, then I'll be # > attacking the online VMS docs :&)  > K > What would be useful is a list of important things to read to start with.  > * > Well any ideas would be appreciated :&)  > : There's an OpenVMS Primer for System Managers available at  + http://www.openvms.compaq.com/training.html   L Estimated time to complete is 3 hours. One of the course goals is "Students N will be better prepared to take the four-day OpenVMS Fundamentals lecture/lab K course, which is the first course in the OpenVMS  curriculum.", so I would  D expect it to pitched at the right level for a total newcomer to VMS. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:39:08 -0500 . From: Catherine Salvendy <csalvend@purdue.edu>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items* Message-ID: <3A8FD07C.3FCAC834@purdue.edu>  D How does one get on the list to be sent these promotional items? I'mB on the 'OpenVMS Times' list but have never received these items. I9 don't need balls but posters and umbrella would be nice!    $ Maybe only large shops get these...?   Cathy Salvendy  ! l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com wrote:  > O > Got my umbrella today... Thanks, Sue!  Unfortunately, after spending 25 years K > in Portland OR, it doesn't rain enough here in Denver for me to ever care N > about getting wet again.  So, I'm passing mine along to another VMS loyalist* > who's spending lots of time in Portland. > N > Now, as an reseller/partner, if I could only get my hands on some give-awaysP > that my/our potential/future *customers* would value, and which would make 'emQ > aware of VMS as the next and current big deal, we'd be getting somewhere!  Hey, L > Sue, those key-chain climber-clips, if stamped with some good "VMS rules!"O > slogan/marketing phrase, would be just dandy.  Or some VMS- and Alpha-branded  > Photon-Lights?  -- Lorin   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Feb 2001 16:19:24 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Promotional Items( Message-ID: <3a8fe7fc@news.kapsch.co.at>  [ In article <3A8FD07C.3FCAC834@purdue.edu>, Catherine Salvendy <csalvend@purdue.edu> writes: E >How does one get on the list to be sent these promotional items? I'm C >on the 'OpenVMS Times' list but have never received these items. I : >don't need balls but posters and umbrella would be nice!   J Ask Sue or the also mentioned VMS customer database manager for inclusion.8 And don't scorn balls (though you only would get one ;-)  G I don't like the posters very much (I think the aren't worth the money) I but I like to be so important to Q to get such material (cross the pond). F The ball _is_ funny (until the battery is finished), but the (OpenVMS)6 letters on it were gone about after a week of playing.  % >Maybe only large shops get these...?   C Nope. We're definitely not a large shop here (more a one-man-show).    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:48:22 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How? + Message-ID: <VA.000002c2.5b6ce849@sture.ch>   = In article <VA.000002ba.55916ddd@sture.ch>, Paul Sture wrote: / > FWIW, I've got the following in my login.com:  > 8 > $ mypriv :== set proc/priv=('f$getjpi("","AUTHPRIV")') > O > so anytime I've been running with elevated privileges I can go straight back   > to my default. >  Bah - picked up an old version.    That should read    < $ mypriv :== set proc/priv=(noall,'f$getjpi("","AUTHPRIV")')   ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Feb 2001 07:03:00 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How? 3 Message-ID: <3A04CTBz3fSa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <VA.000002b9.55916c06@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:D > In article <3A8D45BB.F8C276E0@ohio.edu>, Richard D. Piccard wrote:  I >> Glad I could help.  I think comp.os.vms is heavily populated by system 
 >> managers,   > " > I believe you are correct there. > @ >> who may well spend a large fraction of their life with BYPASS
 >> turned on!  > O > Neither necessary not safe, IMHO. Indeed I _resent_ the occasional idiot who  M > sets their files to deny system access (don't they want their files backed  J > up? :-) ), thereby forcing me to use BYPASS to see why a disk is full...  D Quotas keep them from using up the disk, and I have fond memories ofB that situation (system manager and unknown user have two differentB assumptions about how backups will be done).  That is how I met my wife :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Feb 2001 17:46:11 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How? * Message-ID: <3a8ffc53$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  X In article <3A8D45BB.F8C276E0@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:G >Glad I could help.  I think comp.os.vms is heavily populated by system H >managers, who may well spend a large fraction of their life with BYPASSI >turned on!  I do, but I also spend a significant part of my life helping 	 >newbies.    Sysmgr ? Probably yes.4 Bypass turned on ? No way. VMS Sysmgr don't do this.F 	They force files to have proper system protection fields all the time 	(and have SYSPRV turned on).    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:23:57 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How? - Message-ID: <3A90052D.E75A0946@earthlink.net>    Paul Sture wrote:  > ? > In article <VA.000002ba.55916ddd@sture.ch>, Paul Sture wrote: 1 > > FWIW, I've got the following in my login.com:  > > : > > $ mypriv :== set proc/priv=('f$getjpi("","AUTHPRIV")') > > P > > so anytime I've been running with elevated privileges I can go straight back > > to my default. > > ! > Bah - picked up an old version.e >  > That should read > > > $ mypriv :== set proc/priv=(noall,'f$getjpi("","AUTHPRIV")')  C ...as long as the "mypriv" string doesn't exceed certain well-knownp	 limits...T   -- l David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Feb 2001 07:35:44 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)r Subject: TREE/SWING updates-5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-Kh2ubG8WgoBe@localhost>   B About 7/8 years ago I tweaked the TREE/SWING program to cope with E screens bigger than the defualt 24 line VTxxx series. Unfortunately, 3E it had a bug whereby when TREEswitched from 80 to 132 character mode yF automatically, the Menu bar was truncate to 80 chars. I finally found E out what caused it last week. (I'd had to recompile TREE with larger -6 array sizes to cope with one massive directory tree).
  E Has anybody else got/done any tweaks? Has all this already gone back s3 into DECUS? Would anybody like  my tweaked version?x  E While I was at it last week I finally got it to support Page Up/Down 5F keys to move quickly up and down the left-most columns. This is mainlyF useful if your 2nd/3rd columns span 'pages'. No more waiting while SMG; scrolls up/down.  I wish I could describe that better :-)      Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:12:29 +0100D( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>& Subject: Re: TZ87 DLT Drive Connection& Message-ID: <3A8FBC2D.953B212E@cli.de>   "Bill R. King" wrote:. > . > I have a Model TZ87-BY SCSI SE 14 pin drive. > ? > I want to connect the drive to a standard 50-pin SCSI SE bus.  > G > At present, the drive has a single 96-pin connector that is on a flateI > ribbon cable that has several chips on it and then branches to a 50-pincH > (SCSI????) connector and a 14-pin (power??? and SCSI ID???) connector. > ? Sounds like a TZ87 in a SBB (System Building Block). The 96-pin ? VG-connector plugs into a backplane of an e.g. DEC StorageWorks  BA350 case.   @ You are right, the 50pin is SCSI SE, but I dont't know about theA 14pin. I had a look into my desktop-TZ85 and there's only a 10pin= for the SCSI-ID. =  A Drop the SBB and the cable with the 96pin (or give it to somebody  who needs it ;-).e       -- tC B.Eckstein, TTi Entwicklungszentrum GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de=C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89-   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:22:50 GMTc' From: "Bill R. King" <brking@flash.net>e& Subject: Re: TZ87 DLT Drive Connection$ Message-ID: <3A90048F.F84@flash.net>   Bernd,  F Thanks for the info and for taking the time to look inside your TZ-85.  H I have learned that the TZ87-BY is sometime referred to by Digital as anG "embedded SCSI drive". I have DLT drives from TZ86s to DLT8000s, all of F which have a SCSI connector and a standard 4-pin power connector. This0 the first time I have seen the 14-pin connector.  ? Hopefully, Digital tech support will be able to help on Monday.-  B I will keep the SSB cover and 96-pin connector for a while in case someone needs.  
 Thanks again,y   Bill           Bernd Eckstein wrote:g >  > "Bill R. King" wrote:c > >s0 > > I have a Model TZ87-BY SCSI SE 14 pin drive. > >BA > > I want to connect the drive to a standard 50-pin SCSI SE bus.  > >BI > > At present, the drive has a single 96-pin connector that is on a flat3K > > ribbon cable that has several chips on it and then branches to a 50-pin,J > > (SCSI????) connector and a 14-pin (power??? and SCSI ID???) connector. > >mA > Sounds like a TZ87 in a SBB (System Building Block). The 96-pin A > VG-connector plugs into a backplane of an e.g. DEC StorageWorks 
 > BA350 case.  > B > You are right, the 50pin is SCSI SE, but I dont't know about theC > 14pin. I had a look into my desktop-TZ85 and there's only a 10pinB > for the SCSI-ID. > C > Drop the SBB and the cable with the 96pin (or give it to somebody  > who needs it ;-).h >  > --E > B.Eckstein, TTi Entwicklungszentrum GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.deeE > Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89t   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2001 01:14:03 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  Subject: Re: UNIX write vs VMS ?- Message-ID: <87k86nlxr8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   + Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:f  C > Is it common practice in VMS to handle this EXQUOTA case with theeC > process having the overdraft quota? I tend to not handle this and @ > regard this as fatal error not beeing able to write to a file.    Well, don't know about common ;)  ? If you look through the system services manual, you can come up D with a cute list of services that NEVER return 'sucess'! They always: return, for instance 'was set' or 'was clear' or an error.  A Quota exceded is a posssible transient error, or non-error ( youri> interpetation may vary ) on output. The fix is to just test if? we have seen it on this IO, sey a flag, and do it again. If thes? flag is set, or the second try fails, clear the flag and signaly
 the error.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Feb 2001 07:35:41 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)c Subject: Re: Version numbers5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-T8z9ugmjjrHO@localhost>5  , On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:50:35, Jeff Coffield & <Jeffrey@DigitalSynergyInc.com> wrote:     SnippedJ  & >> > Right now, the easiest way is to: > >o
 > > PURGE *.*u > > RENAME *.*  ;1 > >n4 > > However you lose multiple versions of the files. >  > How about the following: >  > $       ! RENAME.COM > $       ! P1 = File name > $aL > $       HIGH_VER        = F$EXTRACT(1,5,F$PARSE(F$SEARCH(P1),,,"VERSION"))R > $       LOW_VER         = F$EXTRACT(1,5,F$PARSE(F$SEARCH(P1+";-0"),,,"VERSION")). > $       INDEX           = F$INTEGER(LOW_VER)/ > $       STOP            = F$INTEGER(HIGH_VER)  > $       COUNT           = 1c	 > $ LOOP:n6 > $       ORIG            = P1 + ";" + F$STRING(INDEX)6 > $       NEW             = P1 + ";" + F$STRING(COUNT)! > $       RENAME 'ORIG' 'NEW'/LOG % > $       INDEX           = INDEX + 12% > $       COUNT           = COUNT + 1l+ > $       IF INDEX .LE. STOP THEN GOTO LOOPy  B Neat. A suggestion. Instead of RENAME how about BACKUP /DEL. This 8 would maintain the original creation date, which RENAME  sometimes/usually loses.  d Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:31:39 -0600b7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: Version numbers- Message-ID: <3A9006FB.94C61D0A@earthlink.net>n   Dave Weatherall wrote: > - > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:50:35, Jeff Coffield ( > <Jeffrey@DigitalSynergyInc.com> wrote: > 	 > Snipped1 > ( > >> > Right now, the easiest way is to: > > >  > > > PURGE *.*t > > > RENAME *.*  ;1 > > >e6 > > > However you lose multiple versions of the files. > >a > > How about the following: > >e > > $       ! RENAME.COM > > $       ! P1 = File name > > $pN > > $       HIGH_VER        = F$EXTRACT(1,5,F$PARSE(F$SEARCH(P1),,,"VERSION"))T > > $       LOW_VER         = F$EXTRACT(1,5,F$PARSE(F$SEARCH(P1+";-0"),,,"VERSION"))0 > > $       INDEX           = F$INTEGER(LOW_VER)1 > > $       STOP            = F$INTEGER(HIGH_VER)d > > $       COUNT           = 1e > > $ LOOP:O8 > > $       ORIG            = P1 + ";" + F$STRING(INDEX)8 > > $       NEW             = P1 + ";" + F$STRING(COUNT)# > > $       RENAME 'ORIG' 'NEW'/LOG ' > > $       INDEX           = INDEX + 1n' > > $       COUNT           = COUNT + 1h- > > $       IF INDEX .LE. STOP THEN GOTO LOOPo > C > Neat. A suggestion. Instead of RENAME how about BACKUP /DEL. ThisO9 > would maintain the original creation date, which RENAMEc > sometimes/usually loses.  B No - RENAME changes the REVISION date (RDT), not the creation date (CDT).  F You may be thinking of COPYing a file to a new name - that will changeG the CDT. BACKUP preserves the original creation date when making a copy:+ if a file where the target gets a new name.t  	 Evidence:n   DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ sh sym vers;   VERS*ION == "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("ARCH_NAME"), " ",e F$GETSYI("VERSION"),   " (", F$GETSYI("HW_NAME"), ")"" DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ versn' Alpha V7.1-2   (AlphaStation 200 4/233)w DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ sh sym dirw.   DIR*ECTORY == "DIRECTORY/SIZE=ALL/DATE/PROT"  DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ dir login.com   Directory DKA0:[DDACHTERA]  > LOGIN.COM;1                1/4         3-SEP-1997 16:24:35.65  (RWED,RWED,RE,).   Total of 1 file, 1/4 blocks.2 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ back/log login.com newlogin.com9 %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created DKA0:[DDACHTERA]NEWLOGIN.COM;1 # DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ dir newlogin.come   Directory DKA0:[DDACHTERA]  > NEWLOGIN.COM;1             1/4         3-SEP-1997 16:24:35.65  (RWED,RWED,RE,)o   Total of 1 file, 1/4 blocks.3 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ rename newlogin.com oldlogin.come< %RENAME-I-RENAMED, DKA0:[DDACHTERA]NEWLOGIN.COM;1 renamed to DKA0:[DDACHTERA]OLD  LOGIN.COM;1/# DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ dir oldlogin.com    Directory DKA0:[DDACHTERA]  > OLDLOGIN.COM;1             1/4         3-SEP-1997 16:24:35.65  (RWED,RWED,RE,)h   Total of 1 file, 1/4 blocks.2 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ copy/log login.com newlogin.com5 %COPY-S-COPIED, DKA0:[DDACHTERA]LOGIN.COM;1 copied to, DKA0:[DDACHTERA]NEWLOGIN.C OM;1 (1 block)# DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ dir newlogin.comI   Directory DKA0:[DDACHTERA]  > NEWLOGIN.COM;1             1/4        18-FEB-2001 11:30:44.55  (RWED,RWED,RE,)n   Total of 1 file, 1/4 blocks.   -- a David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:52:37 +0000-) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> * Subject: VMS dropped as client OS by Eurex, Message-ID: <3A8FEFC5.F6C6C703@infopuls.com>  > This is a late follow up to the thread "VMS dropped by EUREX".  @ After waiting too long to get an answer to my questions from the8 guy in charge at Eurex/SWX/DBAG and after receiving some> additional information it seems to be clear that in fact Eurex< dropped VMS as client OS but they will continue (forever? as7 there are no plans by any means) to use VMS as core OS.y= Nevertheless this step is a pitty because it's not clear what2@ message it tells to the member banks. Do they implicitly express? that VMS is obsolete and should be replaced whereever possible? = (To replace the core system seems to be too expensive and toom? risky.) Or want they express that VMS is only for Eurex and they& member banks should use lower quality?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:55:08 GMTm$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>* Subject: Re: which shadow patch do I need?( Message-ID: <3A8F8E5F.6000804@wi.rr.com>  = then you must not be serious about managing your VMS systems.,   -scott   antony wardle wrote:   > Thanks but I don't have DSN. > ) > Maybe I can get CSC to ring me at home.- >  > cheers >  > antony >  >  >  > 3 > "Scott Vieth" <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote in messagee" > news:3A8E9E5C.50406@wi.rr.com... >  >> Anthony:p >> o >> DO THIS:t >> <
 >> $  mail >> @ >> MAIL> send/edit >> To:     dsn%storageE >> Subj:   pr3: problems with shadowing in mixed-architecture clustero >> l9 >> [describe your exact problem here and then hit CTRL+Z]e >> d >> Get cup of coffee.t >>   >> Wait for response from CSC. >> bK >> Use DSN ITS (or ftp over the Internet) to retrieve the patches mentionedn >> in the reply from the CSC.  >> g
 >> -Scott :^)d >> o >> antony wardle wrote:e >> e- >>> what patch do I need to fix this problem?y >>> 8 >>> The machines that mounted the disk is ds20e 7-2-11h1 >>> / >>> the machines that can't mount the disks arei >>> # >>> 7.1 axp machines and a 6.2 vax.i >>> 
 >>> cheers >>> 
 >>> antony >>>  >>>  >>> $ >>> JET$ mount/cluster dsa70: data_7/ >>> %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, DATA_7 mounted on _DSA70:oF >>> %MOUNT-I-ISAMBR, _$1$DGA70: (METJET) is a member of the shadow set? >>> %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METMIN19 >>> -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure level@? >>> %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METSATi9 >>> -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure levele? >>> %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METTSTc9 >>> -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure levelV? >>> %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METMAXd9 >>> -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure leveli? >>> %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA70: failed to mount on node METC01(9 >>> -MOUNT-F-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure levell >>> Jp >>>  >>>    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 04:24:57 -0500n, From: "C Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com>( Subject: Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A+ Message-ID: <96o4db$fqh$1@bob.news.rcn.net>-  H Yes, the box would be used as a file server for a bunch of Win 98/Win NTH Workstations.  I am open to suggestions as to what you would consider an6 appropriate operating system for such a configuration.  : >> BTW this topic isn't related to *this* NG in any way.<<  K Yes, I know.  And I also know that OpenVMS is the greatest operating systemdI available today.  I'm sure that I could not maintain 99.99% system uptime J with any other operating system.  But, I also know that there are a lot ofK people in this newsgroup who regularly have to deal with both OpenVMS *and*r: various flavors of Windows, not to mention DEC hardware...      6 "Christof Brass" <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message& news:3A8E5827.FA9478AE@infopuls.com... > Carmine Castiglia wrote: > >yL > > I am considering setting up an AlphaServer 1200A as a Win NT server on a 30G > > user LAN.  Any comments on the latest version of Win NT or Win 2000g ServerG > > which would be supported would be appreciated, as well as any othere > > concerns/comments. >iB > Don't use Micro$oft products as file servers. Obviously from youB > post I don't know what you're planing to use this server for but= > file serving seems a reasonable cause. BTW this topic isn't." > related to *this* NG in any way.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:38:50 +0000l) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>u( Subject: Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A, Message-ID: <3A8FEC8A.6C682728@infopuls.com>   C Castiglia wrote: > J > Yes, the box would be used as a file server for a bunch of Win 98/Win NTJ > Workstations.  I am open to suggestions as to what you would consider an8 > appropriate operating system for such a configuration. > < > >> BTW this topic isn't related to *this* NG in any way.<< > M > Yes, I know.  And I also know that OpenVMS is the greatest operating system.K > available today.  I'm sure that I could not maintain 99.99% system uptimehL > with any other operating system.  But, I also know that there are a lot ofM > people in this newsgroup who regularly have to deal with both OpenVMS *and*r< > various flavors of Windows, not to mention DEC hardware... > 8 > "Christof Brass" <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message( > news:3A8E5827.FA9478AE@infopuls.com... > > Carmine Castiglia wrote: > > >dN > > > I am considering setting up an AlphaServer 1200A as a Win NT server on a > 30I > > > user LAN.  Any comments on the latest version of Win NT or Win 2000  > ServerI > > > which would be supported would be appreciated, as well as any otherm > > > concerns/comments. > >dD > > Don't use Micro$oft products as file servers. Obviously from youD > > post I don't know what you're planing to use this server for but? > > file serving seems a reasonable cause. BTW this topic isn't $ > > related to *this* NG in any way.  ? I thought there are other places to ask for NT issues than thisn5 NG. Why do you also cross post this to comp.dec.sys? h  @ I didn't mention that WNT has two major drawbacks as file server; which VMS obviously hasn't (to make this topic a little bitf appropriate for this NG): @ - lack of disk quota (you need unreliable 3rd party software for@ that - or did they fix that in between?). The quota system works fine with VMS.? - if someone transfer large files to or from that "file server" ? the disk cache will consume almost all physical memory and slowG? down processing by forcing more and more programs to be swappedG@ out. This is a clearly reproducable bug which has been 'proudly'< announced about two or three years ago whereas Micro$oft the> first year denied and the second admitted that they don't find1 the reason and they aren't able to provide a fix.   ? Alghough it is not possible to give good advice without knowing > your company's requirements and environment, my advice: go for; Netware if you have Intel crap boxes and need file serving.k@ Netware outperforms WNT on the same box about the factor of two.> There are major companies which back-migrated to Netware after: observing the hassles of needing much more servers and not6 having a consistent and efficient resource management.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:10:05 GMTh: From: Kari =?iso-8859-1?Q?Uusim=E4ki?= <uusimaki@decus.fi>( Subject: Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A( Message-ID: <3A9000B8.A8ED6951@decus.fi>  C Why don't you use OpenVMS as the server OS and install Pathworks or.G preferrably Advanced server from Compaq? Then you get the robust OS andSA file serving for Windows boxes. And all of this works with singler sign-on. How's that?   Regards,   Kari   C Castiglia wrote: > J > Yes, the box would be used as a file server for a bunch of Win 98/Win NTJ > Workstations.  I am open to suggestions as to what you would consider an8 > appropriate operating system for such a configuration. > < > >> BTW this topic isn't related to *this* NG in any way.<< > M > Yes, I know.  And I also know that OpenVMS is the greatest operating systemnK > available today.  I'm sure that I could not maintain 99.99% system uptime-L > with any other operating system.  But, I also know that there are a lot ofM > people in this newsgroup who regularly have to deal with both OpenVMS *and*c< > various flavors of Windows, not to mention DEC hardware... > 8 > "Christof Brass" <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message( > news:3A8E5827.FA9478AE@infopuls.com... > > Carmine Castiglia wrote: > > > N > > > I am considering setting up an AlphaServer 1200A as a Win NT server on a > 30I > > > user LAN.  Any comments on the latest version of Win NT or Win 2000  > ServerI > > > which would be supported would be appreciated, as well as any others > > > concerns/comments. > >aD > > Don't use Micro$oft products as file servers. Obviously from youD > > post I don't know what you're planing to use this server for but? > > file serving seems a reasonable cause. BTW this topic isn'to$ > > related to *this* NG in any way.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.098 ************************