1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 19 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 100       Contents: 24-bit Turbochannel graphics0 a little humor for this so often humorless group4 Re: a little humor for this so often humorless group chinese dialog on X-Terminals 0 Re: Compaq presentation in Montreal. Feb 6, 2001 Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid  Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid  Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid  Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid  Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid  Compaq's Solaris Re: Compaq's Solaris Re: CONINTERR and friends  Re: eBay outage  RE: eBay outage  RE: eBay outage  Re: ES40 upgrade? & Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?& Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?& Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?& Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?/ FYI: VMS passes the 1,000,000 SETI work units ! 3 Re: FYI: VMS passes the 1,000,000 SETI work units ! 3 Re: FYI: VMS passes the 1,000,000 SETI work units ! 3 Re: FYI: VMS passes the 1,000,000 SETI work units ! 3 RE: FYI: VMS passes the 1,000,000 SETI work units ! 4 Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?- Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of OpenVMS 0 Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS! Re: Itanium IS the Itanic  Re: Itanium IS the Itanic  Re: Itanium IS the Itanic  Mozilla 0.8 for OpenVMS $ Re: Multitasking via telnet sessions
 Re: newbie
 RE: newbie
 RE: newbie Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing RE: OpenVMS and Supercomputing> OT: Ultimate Q3 machine Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?' problem with my alpha - tcpip need help + Re: problem with my alpha - tcpip need help + Re: problem with my alpha - tcpip need help < Re: relative file versions (was: RE: www.openvms.compaq.com) Re: Renaming directories. How? Re: Renaming directories. How? Re: TREE/SWING updates RE: TREE/SWING updates Re: TZ87 DLT Drive Connection  Re: UNIX write vs VMS ?  Re: UNIX write vs VMS ? & VMS and other platforms in the SAN box* Re: VMS and other platforms in the SAN box* RE: VMS and other platforms in the SAN box Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A  Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A  Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A  RE: www.openvms.compaq.com6 [GRAPHICS PATCH] New 7.2-1 Elsa Patch (install report)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 07:19:02 GMT & From: Jerry Hudgins <jerry@e-farm.com>% Subject: 24-bit Turbochannel graphics * Message-ID: <3A90C8C8.7F0E3A02@e-farm.com>   Folks:  H I have a pair of DEC 3000 systems, a 300X and a 700.  Both are currentlyG running the standard 8-bit HX graphic adapters, but I'd like to upgrade D them.  There were various 24-bit color capable Turbochannel graphicsD options available for these systems, but some of them (such as PXG+)H long ago lost their S/W support.  Can anyone tell me what 24-bit options, are still compatible with these OS variants:  0   Digital UNIX 4.0E (base OS, no Open3D license)%   Tru64 UNIX 5.1 (non-commercial kit)    OpenVMS 7.2 (hobbyist kit)   Thanks in advance for the help.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:05:18 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 9 Subject: a little humor for this so often humorless group 0 Message-ID: <009F7DE3.ED02B593@SendSpamHere.ORG>  F I found this reading another newsgroup I frequent and thought it would, bring a few smiles to the readership here...    C >Q: How many Newsgroup members does it take to change a light bulb?  > 	 >A: 1,331  >  > G >1 to change the light bulb and to post to the newsgroup that the light  >bulbhas been changed. > D >14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the/ >lightbulb could have been changed differently.  > 8 >7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. > F >27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light >bulbs.  >   >53 to flame the spell checkers. > ? >156 to write to the newsgroup complaining about the light bulb  >discussion - >and its inappropriateness to this newsgroup.  > 7 >41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.  > F >109 to post that the newsgroup is not about light bulbs and to please >take  >this posting to alt.lite.bulb > B >203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and7 >alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped.  > D >111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light >bulbs< >and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. > I >306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to  >buyC >the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this ' >technique, and what brands are faulty.  > E >27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs.  > H >14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected >URLs. > I >3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this 4 >list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. > I >33 to merge all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and   >footers, and then add "Me Too." > G >12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot # >handle the light bulb controversy.  > / >19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three."  > 6 >4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. > 1 >1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.  > H >47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave >it  >here. >  >143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.  >  >  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:48:05 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com= Subject: Re: a little humor for this so often humorless group H Message-ID: <OF9EB9BE48.FB389D41-ON802569F8.0056217C@qedi.quintiles.com>   Brian Schenkenberger wrote: I >>>I found this reading another newsgroup I frequent and thought it would / bring a few smiles to the readership here...<<<    Second only to :  : How many DEC employees does it take to change a lightbulb?6 2 People -Preliminary discussion on concept of change.5 1 Person  -Devise and write formal bulb architecture. 5 2 People  -Feasability study and timetable of events. I 2 People  -Produce four utilities to reduce screw-in time (in addition to  the electric utility).D 1 Person  -Maintain ISO and DEC standards (sockets, voltage, AC/DC).1 4 People  -Commonality task force on bulb change.  15 People -Change bulb. ( 5 People  -Perform bulb functional test." 2 People  -Perform bulb load test.( 3 People  -Perform bulb regression test.- 1 Person  -Perform bulb performance analysis. , 1 Person  -Perform bulb bottleneck analysis.4 1 Person  -Follow-up study (bulb merge feasibility)./ 1 Person  -Interface with utilities commission. I 1 Person  -Interface with users. (Did they want incandescent when we only H supply non-tunable fluorescent point product?) BAX (Bulbs Are expensive): 5 People  -Perform BOSE (Build Other Socket Enhancements).E 3 People  -Perform VIA (Voltage Increases Amps) phase 2 compatibility  architecture/study. F 2 People - Ensure form (round, square, clear/frosted) follows functionE (wattage. 120/240 volts,visible/ultra-.violet, flashing, flood/spot). B 3 People - Implement temporary alternative bulb socket for already: existing, successful, and profitable socket (bulb-in-one).K 5 People - Determine how to market/package/distribute temporary alternative  bulb socket.G 10 People -Determine how to perform bulb change product split (Control: C switches, dimmers; versus implementation: screw-in torque, recovery  strategies).9 1 Person   -Interface with utilities commission QA group. 5 1 Person   -Submit to BDC (Bulb Distribution Center). 6 1 Person   -Set up BPR (Bulb Problem Reports) system..  10 People -Answer customer BPRS.4 11 People -Football team to challenge bulb changers.       :-))   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:56:03 +0000 7 From: Lothar Geyer <Lothar.Geyer@EDV-Berater-Online.de> & Subject: chinese dialog on X-Terminals5 Message-ID: <3A9109D3.73FABB1F@EDV-Berater-Online.de>   G I will have to write some software for a chinese customer. They want to G use X-terminals, most of them with english dialog. Some of them however E with chinese text. As i have never worked with chinese fonts a.s.o. I 2 would like to speek to someone who did so already.   Lothar Geyer   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:53:00 +0100  From: bob.marcan@aster.si 9 Subject: Re: Compaq presentation in Montreal. Feb 6, 2001 ( Message-ID: <3A91091C.85A3346B@aster.si>   XDM is in v5.1.      Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > d > In article <YAgg6.11925$rF1.201467@wagner.videotron.net>, "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca> writes:L > >Q plans to get 18% more revenue with heathcare (c.f. Cerner assessement),C > >20% in gov`t (c.f. CII DOE), and <10% in telecom, for year 2001.  > & > No plans for new markets/customers ? > N > >VMS 7.3 is supposed to deliver 20% more power to your system, just by doing > >the upgrade.  >  > Only for galaxy ?  > E > >Oracle now assures that it can meet the 90 day goal of new version I > >availability on OVMS after released to Tru64. Not bad considering it's B > >developped on Unix in the 1st place. We can't ask for miracles. > 8 > Wasn't there another 90day between SOLARIS and Tru64 ?9 > But maybe (and I hope so), that was only a nightmare...  > ) > >New TCP IP services will support IPV6.  > N > but still not all IPV4 features (SSH, XDM ?, SLIP ?, ...) we've seen on U**X > K > >Q will try to get back previous/lost partners into the OVMS world. Those D > >were lost in space after mis-management from Digital in the 90's. > P > That's the hard part. Partners (and especially disappointed/previous partners)L > will do what they think customers want and will want. And I think, most ofO > them will (believe to) think, that customers will stay/get away from OpenVMS, O > because Q does still seem to not want customers to know (and choose) OpenVMS.  >  > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 > > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   --  @  Bob Marcan                           mailto:bob.marcan@aster.si?  Aster                                tel:    +386 (1) 5894-329 ?  Nade Ovcakove 1                      fax:    +386 (1) 5894-201 @  1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia                    http://www.aster.si   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:56:50 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> $ Subject: Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid) Message-ID: <3A910A02.60352B8C@gtech.com>    Rob Young wrote:J >         A little history.  Sun's APAC systems failed acceptance testing: > 3 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/14475.html   G Maybe they had too much static electricity in th machine room or it was  not cooled properly !?   :-)    Arne  G PS: You subject is a bit mis-leading. As I read the article then Compaq  are 3     bidding for the contract. They have not got it.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2001 10:15:47 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) $ Subject: Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid3 Message-ID: <dc2pkjEp5+WL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <3A910A02.60352B8C@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:  > Rob Young wrote:K >>         A little history.  Sun's APAC systems failed acceptance testing:  >>  4 >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/14475.html > I > Maybe they had too much static electricity in th machine room or it was  > not cooled properly !? >  > :-)  >  > Arne > I > PS: You subject is a bit mis-leading. As I read the article then Compaq  > are 5 >     bidding for the contract. They have not got it.    	Huh?  I see wordage that says:   A 	"the agreement has been signed between Compaq and The Australian > 	National University which acts as host institution for APAC."   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:56:08 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> $ Subject: Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid) Message-ID: <3A914218.B9ECCE39@gtech.com>    Rob Young wrote:k > In article <3A910A02.60352B8C@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:  > > Rob Young wrote:M > >>         A little history.  Sun's APAC systems failed acceptance testing:  > >>6 > >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/14475.html > >   K > > PS: You subject is a bit mis-leading. As I read the article then Compaq  > > are 7 > >     bidding for the contract. They have not got it.  > ( >         Huh?  I see wordage that says: > J >         "the agreement has been signed between Compaq and The AustralianG >         National University which acts as host institution for APAC."   $ No such words when I go to that URL.  6 It is a bit old though. Dated 03/11/2000 at 19:17 GMT.   And the bottom only contains:   >                                            And following Sun's>                  disgrace, Q is now said to be gunning for the(                  reopened APAC contract.  , Are there a newer article with another URL ?   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:03:44 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> $ Subject: Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid) Message-ID: <3A9143E0.CD5A804B@gtech.com>    Arne Vajhj wrote: > Rob Young wrote:m > > In article <3A910A02.60352B8C@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:  > > > Rob Young wrote:O > > >>         A little history.  Sun's APAC systems failed acceptance testing:  > > >>8 > > >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/14475.html > > >  > M > > > PS: You subject is a bit mis-leading. As I read the article then Compaq 	 > > > are 9 > > >     bidding for the contract. They have not got it.  > > * > >         Huh?  I see wordage that says: > > L > >         "the agreement has been signed between Compaq and The AustralianI > >         National University which acts as host institution for APAC."  > & > No such words when I go to that URL. > 8 > It is a bit old though. Dated 03/11/2000 at 19:17 GMT. >  > And the bottom only contains:  > @ >                                            And following Sun's@ >                  disgrace, Q is now said to be gunning for the* >                  reopened APAC contract. > . > Are there a newer article with another URL ?  < Rob just emailed me and told me that there are a second URL.  + And he did supply it in his original post !    Sorry.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:08:38 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com$ Subject: Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bidH Message-ID: <OFD7A88DC3.A2724D10-ON802569F8.0058709B@qedi.quintiles.com>  H Having made a similar mistake to Arne, I went and re-read Rob's posting.9 It wasn't the Register article reporting the win it was : 9 http://www.apac.edu.au/communication_media/media_releases * /Web%20press%20release%2014%20Feb%2001.pdf   My apologies to Rob. Steve.  & Arne Vajhoej (at gtech dot com) wrote:J >>>PS: You subject is a bit mis-leading. As I read the article then Compaq6 are bidding for the contract. They have not got it.<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:41:47 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: Compaq's Solaris L Message-ID: <OFEEB84E9A.01462129-ON032569F8.005628A3@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Incredible . . .  R http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/Storage-Management-Software/oscpm.html   Regards    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:53:42 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>  Subject: Re: Compaq's Solaris ) Message-ID: <3A914186.F810430D@Omond.net>   * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:   > Incredible . . . > T > http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/Storage-Management-Software/oscpm.html >   D Heck, didn't you know that Compaq Solaris was a separate development8 from the team at Compaq's Lisbon facility in Spain ? :-)  	 Roy OmondC Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2001 12:34:30 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> " Subject: Re: CONINTERR and friendsH Message-ID: <y4lmr2hpo9.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  J CONINTERR was there, as I remember, to allow you to do I/O-like oeprationsN without writing a driver, and it also sometimes allowed for better performanceK (e.g., if the thing you're connecting was doing graphics or point-to-point uA inter-node communications). On Alpha, you have to write a driver.k   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:15:38 +0100r  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: eBay outage+ Message-ID: <VA.000002c3.5fd0847c@sture.ch>I  J In article <69SnVcEOHcd$@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote:; > From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)s > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  > Subject: eBay outage" > Date: 18 Feb 2001 07:22:13 -0500 > G > It is Sunday morning, and since the "My eBay" feature is not working, C > I have nothing better to do than read the eBay announcement page.e >  > > User: aw@ebay.come > > Date: 02/18/01 > > Time: 03:18:42 PST > >  > > ***System Status***e > > P > > Items in the eBay Home & Garden, Dolls and Bears, Stamps, Coins, Pottery andM > > Glass, Photos, Electronics and Computers Categories were unavailable fromtK > > 02:16 and 03:10 AM PST. Items in Books, Antiques and Art, Collectibles,eP > > Sports, Movies, and Music, were unavailable starting at 02:56 AM PST. We areJ > > working as quickly as possible to restore service to these categories. > > 
 > > Regards,   > > eBay > >  > > User: aw@ebay.comI > > Date: 02/16/01 > > Time: 23:43:50 PST > >  > > *** System Status ***w > >  > >  > > K > > The eBay Site was unavailable between 18:29 PST and 18:56 PST, due to atL > > hardware failure on our primary database. We switched over to our backupM > > system as quickly and safely as possible. My eBay, Bid History and Sellerl> > > Search were intermittantly unavailable until 21:37:25 PST. > >  > >  > > P > > Following Preventative Maintenance from 23:00 PST to 23:12 PST, all areas of' > > the site are now fully accessible. 9 > >M  P That's got to be some quite new meaning of the phrase "Preventative Maintenance"   > > Regards, > > eBay > I > Of course neither of those covers the particular problem I encountered,0( > so the above is not a definitive list. > P > ==============================================================================P > Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersP > ============================================================================== > 3 Ebay -> Preventative Maintenance = A post crash fixr ___:
 Paul Sture Switzerlandb   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 05:37:46 -0600M+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>  Subject: RE: eBay outageN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284E06@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   Paul,   F >> That's got to be some quite new meaning of the phrase "Preventative Maintenance" <<   J Of course, this way they can maintain their 99.? availability rating sinceK they (and to be fair, others in the industry as well) do not count downtimed7 for scheduled maint against these availability numbers.t   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Serviceso Voice: 613-592-4660p Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----' From: Paul Sture [mailto:paul@sture.ch]b Sent: February 19, 2001 2:16 AMt To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu Subject: Re: eBay outage    J In article <69SnVcEOHcd$@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote:; > From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmso > Subject: eBay outage" > Date: 18 Feb 2001 07:22:13 -0500 > G > It is Sunday morning, and since the "My eBay" feature is not working,eC > I have nothing better to do than read the eBay announcement page.o >  > > User: aw@ebay.come > > Date: 02/18/01 > > Time: 03:18:42 PST > >  > > ***System Status***t > > L > > Items in the eBay Home & Garden, Dolls and Bears, Stamps, Coins, Pottery andpH > > Glass, Photos, Electronics and Computers Categories were unavailable fromK > > 02:16 and 03:10 AM PST. Items in Books, Antiques and Art, Collectibles,6L > > Sports, Movies, and Music, were unavailable starting at 02:56 AM PST. We arebJ > > working as quickly as possible to restore service to these categories. > > 
 > > Regards, a > > eBay > >  > > User: aw@ebay.comc > > Date: 02/16/01 > > Time: 23:43:50 PST > >  > > *** System Status ***e > >  > >  > > K > > The eBay Site was unavailable between 18:29 PST and 18:56 PST, due to atL > > hardware failure on our primary database. We switched over to our backupF > > system as quickly and safely as possible. My eBay, Bid History and Seller> > > Search were intermittantly unavailable until 21:37:25 PST. > >  > >  > > G > > Following Preventative Maintenance from 23:00 PST to 23:12 PST, allr areas of' > > the site are now fully accessible. h > >   C That's got to be some quite new meaning of the phrase "Preventative  Maintenance"   > > Regards, > > eBay > I > Of course neither of those covers the particular problem I encountered,a( > so the above is not a definitive list. >  >bL ============================================================================ ==G > Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems ->w Clusters > L ============================================================================ == >:3 Ebay -> Preventative Maintenance = A post crash fixc ___:
 Paul Sture Switzerlands   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:23:50 -03001) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brg Subject: RE: eBay outageL Message-ID: <OFA67ABFC4.1842058C-ON032569F8.004404AD@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  2 What about Bank of America outage a few days ago ?  7 3 hours without service ? Their E-10000 stopped again ??   I know they run Veritas tooi   Regardsp   FC            < "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> em 19/02/2001 08:37:46             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com        Assunto: RE: eBay outage     Paul,   F >> That's got to be some quite new meaning of the phrase "Preventative Maintenance" <<n  J Of course, this way they can maintain their 99.? availability rating sinceK they (and to be fair, others in the industry as well) do not count downtimel7 for scheduled maint against these availability numbers.r   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantm Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicesr Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----' From: Paul Sture [mailto:paul@sture.ch]I Sent: February 19, 2001 2:16 AMn To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: eBay outage    J In article <69SnVcEOHcd$@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote:; > From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsp > Subject: eBay outage" > Date: 18 Feb 2001 07:22:13 -0500 >,G > It is Sunday morning, and since the "My eBay" feature is not working,/C > I have nothing better to do than read the eBay announcement page.y >t > > User: aw@ebay.comr > > Date: 02/18/01 > > Time: 03:18:42 PST > >c > > ***System Status***p > >DD > > Items in the eBay Home & Garden, Dolls and Bears, Stamps, Coins, Pottery  andoH > > Glass, Photos, Electronics and Computers Categories were unavailable fromK > > 02:16 and 03:10 AM PST. Items in Books, Antiques and Art, Collectibles,sI > > Sports, Movies, and Music, were unavailable starting at 02:56 AM PST.  We are J > > working as quickly as possible to restore service to these categories. > >0 > > Regards, > > eBay > >. > > User: aw@ebay.come > > Date: 02/16/01 > > Time: 23:43:50 PST > >- > > *** System Status ***  > >e > >, > >eK > > The eBay Site was unavailable between 18:29 PST and 18:56 PST, due to aeE > > hardware failure on our primary database. We switched over to ourB backupF > > system as quickly and safely as possible. My eBay, Bid History and Seller> > > Search were intermittantly unavailable until 21:37:25 PST. > >m > >t > >oG > > Following Preventative Maintenance from 23:00 PST to 23:12 PST, allo areas of& > > the site are now fully accessible. > >.  C That's got to be some quite new meaning of the phrase "Preventative  Maintenance"   > > Regards, > > eBay >rI > Of course neither of those covers the particular problem I encountered,D( > so the above is not a definitive list. >5 > L ============================================================================   ==G > Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems ->8 Clusters >eL ============================================================================   == > 3 Ebay -> Preventative Maintenance = A post crash fixe ___s
 Paul Sture Switzerlandi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:42:13 -0500u- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>l Subject: Re: ES40 upgrade?( Message-ID: <3A9130C1.210CDB86@ohio.edu>  6 400 A at 1.2 V would be 480 W.  This does not compute!                   RDPe     Paul Repacholi wrote:   " > Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: >t > > Paul Repacholi wrote:S > >S& > > > Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: > > > D > > > > Don't know about the EV7 though, and I don't know if the newP > > > > architecture of the EV7 would be of any use in the ES40. As I understandM > > > > it the EV7 is basically a EV6x with a 10 GB/sec network interface for   > > > > inter-cpu communication. > > >aD > > > The ES40 is about one thousand pins per CPU short! Hum, 750 of > > > em power and ground? > >r > > :-)) I hope not .lG > Forteen hundred and sommething for EV7, Fifteen something for the EV8 * > I saw somewhere. Ah, I remember, go here >lA > http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT121300000000w > E > Look at the table near the bottom of the first section. Sorry, it'sGG > 1800 for EV8... Both are 264 based cores thought. The scariest bit ismE > shoving 250W at 1.2V in and out of the EV8. That's over 400A total.  >a > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:47:08 +0100n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>d/ Subject: Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?r) Message-ID: <3A90CF7C.4EEDCD87@gtech.com>h   rocko wrote:K > My question is what are the opportunities like for an OpenVMS SysAdmin in I > today's day and age?  I know VMS has been around forever and it appearsCM > Compaq is continuing to support it and provide updates.  I was just worried-9 > that I would get this job and head down a deadend road.r  D There are not that many VMS jobs available. But there are even fewer good VMS people seeking those jobs.  ? So I would say that being an VMS expert can be quite lucrative.>  F There are a lot of VMS systems out there running important stuff, thatH can not be replaced quickly. So even if Compaq decided to dump VMS, thenG there would be a lot of VMS systems running at least the next 10 years.t  G Beyond that ? Who knows ? It is difficuly to predict - especially abouti the future !  :-)d   > P.S.N > We are waiting on a couple Compaq AlphaServer ES40's to arrive.  How do they > rate?i  " Fast CPU's. Fast IO system. Fast !  ( Try go to www.spec.org and look them up.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:09:37 +0010q% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aui/ Subject: Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?	5 Message-ID: <01K0B2332VFM00A3W7@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>1  / Arne, (hmm the bloody chevrons have gone silly)?  
 >rocko wrote:e9 >> My question is what are the opportunities like for an   >OpenVMS SysAdmin in4 >> today's day and age?  I know VMS has been around  >forever and it appears.2 >> Compaq is continuing to support it and provide  >updates.  I was just worriedn5 >> that I would get this job and head down a deadend s >road. > 7 >There are not that many VMS jobs available. But there o >are even fewer7 >good  >VMS people seeking those jobs.b >m6 >So I would say that being an VMS expert can be quite  >lucrative.d > 2 >There are a lot of VMS systems out there running  >important stuff, that8 >can not be replaced quickly. So even if Compaq decided  >to dump VMS, then6 >there would be a lot of VMS systems running at least  >the next 10 years.r >A8 >Beyond that ? Who knows ? It is difficuly to predict -  >especially about  >the future !  :-)   A somewhat OT reply.  6 These days, any experience of any job must be a bonus.  6 I have lost touch with UK, but here job opportunities 9 are remote.  Very little chance in seeking a career path C8 for even graduates.  Take any job that you find offered * and use that in your CV for your next job.  6 This is a general comment aimed at a youngster in any 4 field.  Get experience in as much as you can.  VMS, / Unices, Windows, cleaning toilets (probably my 49 preference to working with Gates XP).  All experience is  7 valuable and necessary.  Get it and then work out your e7 career path.  What I am seeing around me requires that s as your social survival path.   4 Forty years on from when I started work when it was 3 difficult not to get a job -- you had to be really g6 bloody intelligent to get the dole, at least two phds.   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2001 12:06:30 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>u/ Subject: Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?tH Message-ID: <y4r90vgceh.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  / tsm@palindrome.org (tsm@palindrome.org) writes:n  K > The Pentium 4 is faster than the 833 MHz EV6, at least at integer, and is 5 > faster than anything but the 833 at floating point.o  K This is for base  only - the 21264 is faster at peak int. Also for FP, the o. 667 MHz 21264 is fast in peak than the P4-1.5.   	Jan  K PS: No, let's _not_ have a discussion about the relative value of base/peakr SPEC CPU2000 values.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:12:06 +0000R  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com/ Subject: Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?-H Message-ID: <OF4528AF53.6527E4CF-ON802569F8.0058E78E@qedi.quintiles.com>  ! It might be for Shane S.!!  :-)))m   Beyonder at vrx dot net wrote:H >>>Every reliable test I've seen shows the P4 is even slower than the P3B except when it comes to playing Quake. And I hardly think that's a
 qualifier.<<<t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:57:22 +0000n From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>e8 Subject: FYI: VMS passes the 1,000,000 SETI work units !) Message-ID: <3A911832.F4829FF8@Omond.net>r  ? Last night (Sunday, 18-Feb-2001), the number of SETI work unitse3 performed by VMS systems passed the 1 million mark.   8 At about the same time I passed the 1,000 mark (90% VMS, 10% Macintosh).:  > With no evidence to the contrary I'm claiming to have supplied! the 1,000,000th VMS work unit ;-)E  	 Roy Omond1 Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2001 14:50:12 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)< Subject: Re: FYI: VMS passes the 1,000,000 SETI work units !* Message-ID: <3a912494$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  K In article <3A911832.F4829FF8@Omond.net>, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:s@ >Last night (Sunday, 18-Feb-2001), the number of SETI work units4 >performed by VMS systems passed the 1 million mark. >w9 >At about the same time I passed the 1,000 mark (90% VMS,r >10% Macintosh). >e? >With no evidence to the contrary I'm claiming to have suppliedt" >the 1,000,000th VMS work unit ;-)   No, me, me, me ;-)L After upgrading my 3.0 to 3.03 client last week (my seti 3.0 was not runningL for some days and I don't know why - but I fell way behind !!) I added a 4thH EV4 workstation (to gain ground again) and now I'm at 1344 (100% VMS !!)F which is more workunits than 98.6% of the SETI@home participants have.   -- ,< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888p< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:30:27 +0100,' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>S< Subject: Re: FYI: VMS passes the 1,000,000 SETI work units !* Message-ID: <3A913C12.7AF70155@iaf.fhg.de>   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > M > In article <3A911832.F4829FF8@Omond.net>, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:rB > >Last night (Sunday, 18-Feb-2001), the number of SETI work units6 > >performed by VMS systems passed the 1 million mark. > >g; > >At about the same time I passed the 1,000 mark (90% VMS,n > >10% Macintosh). > >rA > >With no evidence to the contrary I'm claiming to have supplieda$ > >the 1,000,000th VMS work unit ;-) >  > No, me, me, me ;-)N > After upgrading my 3.0 to 3.03 client last week (my seti 3.0 was not runningN > for some days and I don't know why - but I fell way behind !!) I added a 4thJ > EV4 workstation (to gain ground again) and now I'm at 1344 (100% VMS !!)H > which is more workunits than 98.6% of the SETI@home participants have. >  > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 > > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"    2 There is always someone who has done a bit more ;)  & Account Summary for jakobus@iaf.fhg.de  
  Your credit: ;  Name (and URL)                               Theo Jakobus b2  Results Received                             20908  Total CPU Time                               3.35 yearsC  Average CPU Time per work unit               14 hr 02 min 59.2 sec:F  Last result returned:                        Mon Feb 19 10:29:08 2001 UTCsF  Registered on:                               Fri Aug 13 09:55:01 1999 UTC 8  SETI@home user for:                          1.52 years                                  2  Your rank: (based on current workunits received) =  Your rank out of 2789524 total users is:      21326th place.=1  The total number of users who have this rank: 15mD  You have completed more work units than:      99.235% of our users.    G If the SETI gatekeeper would allow to build a version for OpenVMS using B the subroutines inside the CXML math library for FFT I guess I had achieved 99.5% already :))     Regards, -- a  ; ***********************************************************y; *                                                         *0; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *>; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *h; *  Tullastr. 72                                           *a; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *y; *  Germany                                                *t; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *m; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *C; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            * ; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *i; *                                                         *e; ***********************************************************u   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2001 16:53:39 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)< Subject: Re: FYI: VMS passes the 1,000,000 SETI work units !* Message-ID: <3a914183$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  T In article <3A913C12.7AF70155@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:3 >There is always someone who has done a bit more ;)    You beth  H >If the SETI gatekeeper would allow to build a version for OpenVMS usingC >the subroutines inside the CXML math library for FFT I guess I hadm >achieved 99.5% already :))D  1 I would then have over 11000 workunits completed.s. Maybe this would be enough for over 99.5% also   -- a< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888,< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:57:04 -0500 : From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>< Subject: RE: FYI: VMS passes the 1,000,000 SETI work units !K Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D6DBE23@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>    > -----Original Message-----2 > From: eplan@kapsch.net [mailto:eplan@kapsch.net]* > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:54 AM > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comt> > Subject: Re: FYI: VMS passes the 1,000,000 SETI work units ! > : > In article <3A913C12.7AF70155@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus  > <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:5 > >There is always someone who has done a bit more ;)e > 	 > You bett  : I agree, and up the bid.  Who has more than say 5964 units? in the 100% VMS category?  Surely, there must be someone in the  10,000 category or close to it?e  + Account Summary for John.C.Koska@bender.com=  
 Your credit: = Name (and URL) MindBender  = Results Received 5964  Total CPU Time 3.56 years 4 Average CPU Time per work unit 5 hr 13 min 53.5 sec 3 Last result returned: Sun Feb 18 19:34:43 2001 UTC =+ Registered on: Tue Aug 3 04:01:23 1999 UTC n SETI@home user for: 1.55 years l   View Last 10 Workunits - Your group info: -* You belong to the group named: MindBender 0 You are not currently the founder of any teams.      1 Your rank: (based on current workunits received) C  07 Your rank out of 2789524 total users is: 4300th place. n0 The total number of users who have this rank: 1 ? You have completed more work units than: 99.846% of our users.    i= > >If the SETI gatekeeper would allow to build a version for i > OpenVMS using1E > >the subroutines inside the CXML math library for FFT I guess I hadR > >achieved 99.5% already :))> > 3 > I would then have over 11000 workunits completed.r0 > Maybe this would be enough for over 99.5% also  @ I would likewise assume to have proportional greater units done.; It is a shame they will not accept a build using CXML. :(  t   :) jck  e > -- a> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e> > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.net@ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm  > a realist" >    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2001 11:48:24 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>r= Subject: Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?nH Message-ID: <y4wvangd8n.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  6 koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  K > IMHO use CMS to handle any and all manually generated text files, such astC > source or scripts.  Depend on being able to regenerate all binarya > files from the source.  ( What if the source is, say, the HST? 8-)  N Storing binary files by CMS shouldn't take more space than the original file -L as others have noted, applying the incremental update storage appropriate toN text files doesn't help much here. Doesn't that incremental thing have a checkN that stores a new complete version whenever the increments are larger than the) files itself (e.g., a complete re-write)?s  M Version management should be used on everything, including .DOC, .PPT, and so  on...    	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:42:54 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br 6 Subject: Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of OpenVMSL Message-ID: <OFC2F33302.3C13BCA4-ON032569F8.00401CB6@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Heelp please  K I am trying to contact DECUS Brazil but I believe they dont exist anymore !   F I filled the inscription form of DECUS/Encompass - USA a few weeks ago) but I didnt receive an answer until now !M  # I just want a Hoppyst Version .....     7 Why they dont put it to sale in the OpenVMS portal ????   E How can I receive a license if I cant inscript at DECUS/Encompass ???a   Regards    FC        D Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> em 19/02/2001 07:48:24              Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml      = Assunto: Re: How to obtain hobbyist version of CMS for Alpha?=    6 koehler@eisner.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  K > IMHO use CMS to handle any and all manually generated text files, such as=C > source or scripts.  Depend on being able to regenerate all binary- > files from the source.  ( What if the source is, say, the HST? 8-)  G Storing binary files by CMS shouldn't take more space than the original1 file -I as others have noted, applying the incremental update storage appropriate? toH text files doesn't help much here. Doesn't that incremental thing have a checkeJ that stores a new complete version whenever the increments are larger than the ) files itself (e.g., a complete re-write)?o  J Version management should be used on everything, including .DOC, .PPT, and so on...t        Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:23:57 -0500o! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>a9 Subject: Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS! 8 Message-ID: <g0a19tk7rr5prea39cqineskmkf3p7eunj@4ax.com>  1 I first worked on a PDP-10 way back in June/1976. 7 Then came the PDP-11, and later that year my first Vax.   : The oldest vax I worked on was an 11/730 with a PDP-8 FEP. a very coggy beast indeed.  A oh the days of TECO and PAX , or as it was sometimes called PACX.r sigh.d  A That same facility is now barren of all vaxen, and large systems. ; students use SGI or sometimes SUN ultra-10s. any remants ofrB those days are long washed away, including the student facilities,5 help desk, operations, and even the cafes and bars...0   sigh.    B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:51:48 -0000 ' From: "LJEB" <LJEB@somewhere.out.there>K" Subject: Re: Itanium IS the Itanic) Message-ID: <96r1e2$i7n$1@soap.pipex.net>   - "Paul Sture" <paul@sture.ch> wrote in message % news:VA.000002b7.4dbd8f37@sture.ch...=F > In article <OF947C411B.894C715B-ON882569F4.0061CE0C@foundation.com>, wrote:% > > From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com  > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms & > > Subject: Re: Itanium IS the Itanic) > > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:56:57 -0800i > >  > >-K > > I haven't seen any McKinley benchmarks, but it doesn't look like ItaniceI > > will be much of a threat technologically. Of course, as you say, it'su goingo$ > > to live or die on its marketing. > >EL > Remember the MMX stuff everyone was buying a few years back? Most software atG > the time couldn't take advantage of it, but folks were buying all thee same.d  K This is not a good comparison, as the MMX Pentium CPUs were faster than thetK non-MMX even without new software due to higher clock speeds and double the  L1 cache (from 16K to 32K).m  F The Itanic on the other hand will by all accounts/rumours, be terribleL compared with all other competing x86 CPU's. There is still a lot of work toH be done on compilers to make true native applications run well, and someI more modern research has indicated that EPIC may not be any good for mostnI typical applications. This is why just about everyone else (and Intel) is I looking as SMT (multiple threads per CPU) along with SMP for the next big  improvements in performance.  	 Laurence.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:40:43 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>t" Subject: Re: Itanium IS the Itanic) Message-ID: <3A913E7B.B25D1B1B@bbc.co.uk>a  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  D > AMD and Intel probably will install factories in Brazil (in time).: > A computer here is almost twice  the price of  USA ! ! !  D so, same is true here in the UK and our leaders would have us become2 another state in the USA or so it seems sometimes.     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uks  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofs MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:43:30 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com " Subject: Re: Itanium IS the ItanicD Message-ID: <OF6574E221.2C5F9F2C-ON882569F8.0066C6C4@foundation.com>  J If that happens, I'm ripping up my passport, moving to France and applying for citizenship there.   Shaneu          A Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> on 02/19/2001 07:40:43 AMx  ) Please respond to tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.ukI   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come cc:a  # Subject:  Re: Itanium IS the Itanice        * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  D > AMD and Intel probably will install factories in Brazil (in time).: > A computer here is almost twice  the price of  USA ! ! !  D so, same is true here in the UK and our leaders would have us become2 another state in the USA or so it seems sometimes.     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukX  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofr MedAS or the BBC.r   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2001 16:52:32 +0100T From: pmoreau@cenaath.cena.dgac.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40)  Subject: Mozilla 0.8 for OpenVMS! Message-ID: <snO9x9UQnO83@gaelic>o  3 Mozilla 0.8 is available at Compaq's OpenVMs site :-  H http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/register_mozilla.html   Patrickh --O ===============================================================================iO pmoreau@cena.dgac.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU) 4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================-   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Feb 2001 09:19:53 GMT" From: mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk- Subject: Re: Multitasking via telnet sessionsA* Message-ID: <96qofp$uqc$1@news.netmar.com>  L If some of the jobs take a long time then why not submit them as a batch jobM If you need to monitor them then set the output to 10 seconds (or so) and youe' can track the output from the log file.h You can be notified by /notifyL and you don't have a problem where a 4 hour job gets killed after 3 hours 59: mins when the network disconnects you or your PC reboots!!  + sorry if this seems obvious - hope it helps    Mike  O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  ----- M   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsmI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postsnL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:51:16 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: newbie:) Message-ID: <3A90D074.43CF33A7@gtech.com>k   Andy wrote:gG > I just started a position where i will be using open VMS extensively,nJ > and am wondering if this NG has any recommendations on books that covers/ > a broad range,...intro, commands, admin, etc.M > I > Any ideas appreciated,....local bookstores were not much help,..nothing1
 > in stock  @ There are a list at http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_book.htmlx !   I was very impressed by:"    VAX/VMS Concepts and Facilities    Jay Shahe    1991 McGraw-Hilld when I read it many years ago.  H It gave a good overview of many different aspects of VMS. Very good bookB for someone that knows some about computers, but have to learn VMS
 from scratch.I  ; Unfortunatetly I think it has been sold-out for 6-8 years !   E (which ofcourse also can be seen as an indicator for that it is good)    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:10:01 -06001* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: newbien- Message-ID: <0033000016577358000002L082*@MHS>t  > =0AThe old joke is that you get "UNIX for VMS Users" by Bourne and read it backwards.  H A 10 is gonna be painful slow.  You can get VAXstation 4000 VLCs fairly=  D cheap and they'll be faster- on the Alpha side there's MULTIA but it8 takes considerably more work to get them up and running.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETa) Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 3:43 PMi6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: newbie      Hi,t  
 > Andy wrote:1 > >mH > > I just started a position where i will be using open VMS extensivel= y,H > > and am wondering if this NG has any recommendations on books that c= overse1 > > a broad range,...intro, commands, admin, etc.n > >tH > > Any ideas appreciated,....local bookstores were not much help,..not= hing > > in stock >!? > While the others recommendations are all valid there could bewB > something we might take into account: what is your experience so? > far, what do you know? What will you do with the system? WillT, > you be a sysadmin, a programmer or a user?   I'm also a newbie :&)m  B I've just aquired a microvax 3100 m10e with VAX/VMS-5.4 and NetBSDH installed on it - and while I'm nice and at home with *BSD, I'd love to=  H get into VMS. My first thought was "let's check out the online VMS docs= ",D but I'm so much more at home with stuff on paper :&/ I did wonder ifE anyone knew any resoure, be it online, book, whatever that introducediH admining/using VMS from a unix user's perspective. If not, then I'll be=  ! attacking the online VMS docs :&)m  H What would be useful is a list of important things to read to start wit= h.  ' Well any ideas would be appreciated :&)1   -- Mattg   --- H PGP Key fingerprint =3D 00BF 19FE D5F5 8EAD 2FD5  D102 260E 8BA7 EEE4 8= D7Fe( PGP Key http://knm.yi.org/matt-pgp.html=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:17:05 -0600 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: newbieh- Message-ID: <0033000016577770000002L002*@MHS>h  H =0ATry http://www.bestbookbuys.com for a comparative search of new and = used bookstores.S   WWWebb -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETe' Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 3:23 AMh6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: newbie*     Andy wrote:*H > I just started a position where i will be using open VMS extensively,=  H > and am wondering if this NG has any recommendations on books that cov= erse/ > a broad range,...intro, commands, admin, etc.  >TH > Any ideas appreciated,....local bookstores were not much help,..nothi= ng
 > in stock  @ There are a list at http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_book.htmlx !   I was very impressed by:"    VAX/VMS Concepts and Facilities    Jay Shah     1991 McGraw-Hill4 when I read it many years ago.  H It gave a good overview of many different aspects of VMS. Very good boo= k B for someone that knows some about computers, but have to learn VMS
 from scratch.   ; Unfortunatetly I think it has been sold-out for 6-8 years !*  E (which ofcourse also can be seen as an indicator for that it is good)a   Arne=b   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:55:26 +0100R= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> ' Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputingc) Message-ID: <3A90D16E.95BE7488@gtech.com>o  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:. > Is there any supercomputer running OpenVMS ? > ? > I searched www.top500.org and I didint discover any referencee7 > about it  . . .  I dont know if  it is possible . . .    I do not think there are any.   ' Super-computing is all Unix those days.r  > I can not see any technical reasons why a VMS Alpha box should> not be as good as a Tru64 Alpha box as a super-computer. It is? the same CPU and the same compiler backends. But scientists are A just as conservative as anyone else. All the other guys use Unix,s so we will as well.   E I think there are quite a few Tru64 Alpha's used as super-computers !-   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:56:44 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>s' Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputingg( Message-ID: <3A90D1BC.F473AE2@gtech.com>   Webb, William W" wrote: @ >> I searched www.top500.org and I didint discover any reference; >> about it  . . .  I dont know if  it is possible . . .<<<MB > I beg to differ with your assertion that there aren't any Compaq
 > machines > on the TOP500.org database:e > 3 > These are the first two of the eleven machines ons > the TOP500 database. > 9 > #31                                             Ranking 2 > Compaq AlphaServer SC ES40/EV67         Computer5 > 507.60                                  Rmax Gflopse2 > Compaq Computer Corporation             Location > USA  > 2000; > Vendor                                  Installation TypeeA > 512                                             # of processors5 >  > #32 Compaq AlphaServer SCr >     ES40/EV67n >     507.60, >     Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory	 >     USAt
 >     2000 >     Research	 >     512    He said "VMS" not "Alpha".  ! Alpha SC is AFAIK Tru64 not VMS !g   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 07:01:56 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra' Subject: RE: OpenVMS and Supercomputing L Message-ID: <OF7CBD7E30.1D6C235A-ON032569F8.00370C75@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  1 I was asking about OpenVMS operating system . . .   8 I beliveve these machines are using Tru64 ! ! ! Or not ?   Regards    FC        @ "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> em 16/02/2001 19:26:20             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu      ' Assunto: RE: OpenVMS and Supercomputing         H I beg to differ with your assertion that there aren't any Compaq machin= es on the TOP500.org database:i  1 These are the first two of the eleven machines on. the TOP500 database.  J #31 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=: =A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Ranking> Compaq AlphaServer SC ES40/EV67 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ComputerI 507.60=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=R% =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Rmax Gflops'D Compaq Computer Corporation =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Location USA  2000I Vendor=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=u+ =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Installation TypeeJ 512 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=B =A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 # of processors   #32 Compaq AlphaServer SCS =A0=A0=A0 ES40/EV67l =A0=A0=A0 507.600 =A0=A0=A0 Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
 =A0=A0=A0 USAe =A0=A0=A0 2000 =A0=A0=A0 Research
 =A0=A0=A0 512.   WWWebb -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETa' Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:43 PMs6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET' Subject: RE: OpenVMS and Supercomputingl  H One might say that I think all of mine (including the VAXstation 4000 o= n myD desk) are pretty super, but I guess that's not the right answer. :-)  9 fabio_compaq at ep-bc dot petrobras dot com dot br wrote:u/ >>>Is there any supercomputer running OpenVMS ? = I searched www.top500.org and I didint discover any reference1> about it=A0 . . .=A0 I dont know if=A0 it is possible . . .<<<           =c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:42:08 -0800C! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comtG Subject: OT: Ultimate Q3 machine Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? D Message-ID: <OF2D50BD49.92E8838C-ON882569F8.006604A9@foundation.com>  K Hey, gimmee Quake 3 on Alpha VMS, plus a decent 3D accelerator, and I'll beoC the next GS320 customer!!! :):) After all, Q3 does support multiplet4 processors. The potential frame rate would be scary.  E If anyone's interested, there's another game around the corner calledCK Serious Sam. Its game play is very much like the old Doom, but the graphicsmK are up there with Q3 and UT. Look up www.croteam.com if you want to give it:G a shot, there's a very nice demo. I'm a particular fan of the screamingcK headless kamikaze zombies with bombs, except outside the temple by the poolmG ("I smell an ambush..."). Now if I could just get through the courtyarde full of mutant bulls.....b   Shane           4 steven.reece@quintiles.com on 02/19/2001 08:12:06 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComM cc:u  0 Subject:  Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?      ! It might be for Shane S.!!  :-)))t   Beyonder at vrx dot net wrote:H >>>Every reliable test I've seen shows the P4 is even slower than the P3B except when it comes to playing Quake. And I hardly think that's a
 qualifier.<<<n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:23:57 -0500o! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>g0 Subject: problem with my alpha - tcpip need help8 Message-ID: <qq919t8c295m78ugnhk0h0m9s60ctth2j0@4ax.com>  ) I uninstalled tcp/ip and re-installed it. ) now FTP and mail don't work. some errors.gC I think because I just deleted the tcp/ip data files doesn't deleteo? the user accounts or other miscellaneous things associated withm tcp/ip.-  @ can someone help me? the person that got me into this mess is noB longer answering my emails - thanks for fudging my machine VaxMan!   B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:56:03 +0100m5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>s4 Subject: Re: problem with my alpha - tcpip need help- Message-ID: <3A9125F3.E648C1B4@whitehouse.nl>c   Beyonder wrote:f > + > I uninstalled tcp/ip and re-installed it.a+ > now FTP and mail don't work. some errors.-  8 What do you mean 'some errors'. Please be more specific.   Oswald   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2001 15:26:09 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)4 Subject: Re: problem with my alpha - tcpip need help* Message-ID: <3a912d01$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  e In article <3A9125F3.E648C1B4@whitehouse.nl>, Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> writes:e >Beyonder wrote: >>  , >> I uninstalled tcp/ip and re-installed it., >> now FTP and mail don't work. some errors. >i9 >What do you mean 'some errors'. Please be more specific.u  ( I bet, he has to configure it (again)... -- o< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2001 11:52:29 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>lE Subject: Re: relative file versions (was: RE: www.openvms.compaq.com)oH Message-ID: <y4u25rgd1u.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  N > :...The question is, how far down into DCL is the translation from "-1" to =6 > :"the number one less than the top number" done? ... > K >   This mechanism is implemented in the file system XQP -- far below DCL. nM >   (For details on this, please see the I/O User's Reference Manual chapter n' >   on the IO$_ACPCONTROL functions...)   H Are you sure? I thought RMS's file name parsing did the relative version	 numbers.    L In any case, there is no problem from this going to interpreting the on-diskJ version number as unsigned, because the relative version numbers are never
 stored there.:  I Still no answer whether (in particular) a -1 in the version field is used  on-disk as a signal.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:15:39 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How? + Message-ID: <VA.000002c4.5fd086a2@sture.ch>R  F In article <3A90052D.E75A0946@earthlink.net>, David J. Dachtera wrote:9 > From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsn) > Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How?e' > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:23:57 -0600- >  > Paul Sture wrote:  > > A > > In article <VA.000002ba.55916ddd@sture.ch>, Paul Sture wrote::3 > > > FWIW, I've got the following in my login.com:F > > >2< > > > $ mypriv :== set proc/priv=('f$getjpi("","AUTHPRIV")') > > >pR > > > so anytime I've been running with elevated privileges I can go straight back > > > to my default. > > >b# > > Bah - picked up an old version.  > >  > > That should read > > @ > > $ mypriv :== set proc/priv=(noall,'f$getjpi("","AUTHPRIV")') > F > ....as long as the "mypriv" string doesn't exceed certain well-known > limits...n > 1 But I already told you it wasn't likely to... :-). ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlandw   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:55:02 -0500d- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>U' Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How? ( Message-ID: <3A9133C2.E27B4A5F@ohio.edu>  O My point about helping newbies was that I frequently have occasion to deal with.M VMS-naive Web pagemasters who interact with our VMS Web server mostly througheM FTP.  None of the FTP tools they routinely use (WS_FTP and Fetch) are able to-M delete directories (twice over:  they don't specify the directory file with a(I version number, and they can't set the protections).  Thus, I have had toOM document and hand-hold them through the process of telnetting in, setting theq1 protections, and deleting the directory manually./  = For those who are in a similar position, feel free to look at=  4             http://www.ohiou.edu/pagemasters/memo85/  
 especially  H             http://www.ohiou.edu/pagemasters/memo85/chap2.html#removedir  M and if you are really bored, my polemic on platform- and browser-neutral page  design:   ?            http://www.ohiou.edu/pagemasters/memo85/append6.html   #                                 RDP|     Paul Sture wrote:4  D > In article <3A8D45BB.F8C276E0@ohio.edu>, Richard D. Piccard wrote:1 > > From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>t > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsa+ > > Subject: Re: Renaming directories. How?=) > > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:22:39 -0500- > >-J > > Glad I could help.  I think comp.os.vms is heavily populated by system
 > > managers,k >u" > I believe you are correct there. >iA > > who may well spend a large fraction of their life with BYPASSj > > turned on! >eN > Neither necessary not safe, IMHO. Indeed I _resent_ the occasional idiot whoL > sets their files to deny system access (don't they want their files backedJ > up? :-) ), thereby forcing me to use BYPASS to see why a disk is full... >u@ > > I do, but I also spend a significant part of my life helping > > newbies. > >rN > What has BYPASS to do with helping newbies? Use SYSPRV instead, and SET PROT& > when you want to delete directories. > >e > >a > > Andrew G Scott wrote:n > >e
 > > > Richarde > > >nE > > > This was indeed the trick. I didn't look at BYPASS but used SETf > > > /PROTECTION....h > > >tM > > > All the other responses were similar in that they confirmed that RENAMEwN > > > should do it but their default directory permissions must include DELETEN > > > since no-one else mentioned that permissions would have to be reviewed.. > > >i > > > Thanks > > > Andrew > > >g! > > > "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:t > > >dM > > > > RENAME is indeed the command, but it requires delete privilege on the O > > > > file, and directory files are by default protected against deletion, sooO > > > > you have to elevate your privileges (BYPASS will certainly suffice!) oru* > > > > first change the protections.  See > >t > > --F > > ==================================================================F > > Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerF > > piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesF > > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University > >, >t > ___o > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland    --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:56:45 -0800s! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com>b Subject: Re: TREE/SWING updates * Message-ID: <3A90C3AD.EEC1AB1@tmisnet.com>  , I Think Hoff would want them for the Free CD  H By the way has anyone ever experienced a problem with SWING with the key processing being erratic? D When moving throught the directory tree sometimes the arrow keys get! misinterpreted as other commands.    Cass   Dave Weatherall wrote:  C > About 7/8 years ago I tweaked the TREE/SWING program to cope with:F > screens bigger than the defualt 24 line VTxxx series. Unfortunately,F > it had a bug whereby when TREEswitched from 80 to 132 character modeG > automatically, the Menu bar was truncate to 80 chars. I finally foundaF > out what caused it last week. (I'd had to recompile TREE with larger7 > array sizes to cope with one massive directory tree).n >oF > Has anybody else got/done any tweaks? Has all this already gone back5 > into DECUS? Would anybody like  my tweaked version?e >rF > While I was at it last week I finally got it to support Page Up/DownH > keys to move quickly up and down the left-most columns. This is mainlyH > useful if your 2nd/3rd columns span 'pages'. No more waiting while SMG; > scrolls up/down.  I wish I could describe that better :-)  >e > Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:08:56 -0500 ; From: "Everhart, Glenn (FUSA)" <GlennEverhart@FirstUSA.com>  Subject: RE: TREE/SWING updateslN Message-ID: <4B279CF3578CD211B945009027178017046D0446@swilnts809.wil.fusa.com>  > Send it to me (everhart@gce.com) for the sigtape distribution. Glenn Everhart OVMS SIG librarian...      -----Original Message-----: From: djweath@attglobal.net [mailto:djweath@attglobal.net]' Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 2:36 AM0 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2 Subject: TREE/SWING updates     B About 7/8 years ago I tweaked the TREE/SWING program to cope with E screens bigger than the defualt 24 line VTxxx series. Unfortunately, aE it had a bug whereby when TREEswitched from 80 to 132 character mode LF automatically, the Menu bar was truncate to 80 chars. I finally found E out what caused it last week. (I'd had to recompile TREE with larger -5 array sizes to cope with one massive directory tree).t  E Has anybody else got/done any tweaks? Has all this already gone back a3 into DECUS? Would anybody like  my tweaked version?o  E While I was at it last week I finally got it to support Page Up/Down eF keys to move quickly up and down the left-most columns. This is mainlyF useful if your 2nd/3rd columns span 'pages'. No more waiting while SMG; scrolls up/down.  I wish I could describe that better :-)  ,   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:04:46 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>X& Subject: Re: TZ87 DLT Drive Connection) Message-ID: <3A90E1AE.2906D1AA@Omond.net>n   "Bill R. King" wrote:    > Bernd, >fH > Thanks for the info and for taking the time to look inside your TZ-85. >mJ > I have learned that the TZ87-BY is sometime referred to by Digital as anI > "embedded SCSI drive". I have DLT drives from TZ86s to DLT8000s, all of H > which have a SCSI connector and a standard 4-pin power connector. This2 > the first time I have seen the 14-pin connector. > A > Hopefully, Digital tech support will be able to help on Monday.j >:D > I will keep the SSB cover and 96-pin connector for a while in case > someone needs.    Mmmm... memories coming back ...  B I seem to recall something similar to your description when tryingD to utilise TZ87 drives that had been extracted from one of the TL81nJ tape mini-libraries.  The way I recall it was that the drives were in factG wide differential, and the extra "stuff" was to enable it to be used innF an SE SCSI chain (or vice-versa :-).  I think that particular customer@ tried to get it to work with a DWZZA, but without success.  ThisB was a good few years ago, so my recollection could either be wrong4 or else have nothing to do with your description ;-)  	 Roy Omondt Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2001 12:27:22 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>a  Subject: Re: UNIX write vs VMS ?H Message-ID: <y4ofvyhq05.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  + Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:a  ? > Is it common practice in VMS to handle this EXQUOTA case withi* > the process having the overdraft quota?   J I think the only utilities doing this out-of-the-box are the editors. MostE others don't. I do not think DCL retries when writing a log file, for 	 instance.e   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2001 23:06:09 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  Subject: Re: UNIX write vs VMS ?- Message-ID: <87wvam4sri.fsf@prep.synonet.com>l  I Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:e  - > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:n > A > > Is it common practice in VMS to handle this EXQUOTA case withr, > > the process having the overdraft quota?  > L > I think the only utilities doing this out-of-the-box are the editors. MostG > others don't. I do not think DCL retries when writing a log file, forl > instance.I  $ If this is so, then they are broken.  H ANU NEWS was cursed up hill and down dale for this misfeature! You wouldF exit, and it would trash your newsgroups pointers. Grrr. On a bad day,, you'd lose the lot and have to re-subscribe.     -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.6@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:14:08 -0600n1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>t/ Subject: VMS and other platforms in the SAN box08 Message-ID: <96rdf9$f9k$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  F We've been busy building a SAN and now I want to introduce VMS to this environment.  K We tested a node and it worked as advertised provided all the release notesnK got read and followed to the letter.  We tripped over the SCSI-3 must have.A  L Now we wish to include VMS with the other systems we have on the SAN, mostly= Sun and NT servers and wondered if anyone here has done same.A  H I'm hearing complaints that Mutibus puts a financial burden on the otherK platforms.  They need to purchase Secure Path software that isn't cheap I'ml told.T  / Any one here doing this kinda stuff?  Comments?=   -- Dave..   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2001 10:50:26 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)A3 Subject: Re: VMS and other platforms in the SAN boxn3 Message-ID: <5m0IjTh4Ucuh@eisner.encompasserve.org>=  l In article <96rdf9$f9k$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes:H > We've been busy building a SAN and now I want to introduce VMS to this > environment. > M > We tested a node and it worked as advertised provided all the release noteshM > got read and followed to the letter.  We tripped over the SCSI-3 must have.r > N > Now we wish to include VMS with the other systems we have on the SAN, mostly? > Sun and NT servers and wondered if anyone here has done same.u >   F 	You might want to bring your vendor in and have a chat with them.  In; 	Compaq's document entitlted "Heterogeneous Open SAN Designl@ 	Reference Guide" (a 116 page guide, not sure if it is available
 	from here:),0  ; http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/san/index.html :  0 	You will see on pages 4-2, 4-3 and 4-4 rules on; 	Platform support and attachement rules.  Sun Solaris talks6= 	SCSI-2 and will not play with VMS which talks SCSI-3 *only*.a  ? 	Likewise, there are numerous Unixes that talk SCSI-2 only (in :A 	a Compaq SAN) , among them AIX,Irix,HP-UX and the aforementionedr	 	Solaris.u   	NT talks SCSI-2 OR SCSI-3.e    J > I'm hearing complaints that Mutibus puts a financial burden on the otherM > platforms.  They need to purchase Secure Path software that isn't cheap I'mU > told.p  F 	If you are active active (i.e. multibus) , you will need Seucre Path B 	for the NT servers that are in that VMS fabric, hence dual cards, 	and whatever else it entails.  B 	This isn't easy stuff, and I am no expert(1) so please follow-up.   				Rob   I (1)  Beware of experts anyhow.  An old saw years ago told me someone thattC 	claims to be an expert is just trying to get ahold of your wallet.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:27:56 +0000o5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> 3 Subject: RE: VMS and other platforms in the SAN box N Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D50D@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  F If VMS exists on a SAN anywhere and the HSG's are being shared and theI switches aren't zoned then SCSI-3 is mandatory with no getting around it.lJ I'm unsure what Solaris does with scsi-3 but NT needs 4.31 of lp6nds32.sys8 to block the CCL of scsi-3 mode and prevent bluescreens.  5 NT does need securepath for multibus as does solaris.    	Oliveru   -----Original Message-----B From: young_r@encompasserve.org [mailto:young_r@encompasserve.org]' Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 3:50 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt3 Subject: Re: VMS and other platforms in the SAN box-    H In article <96rdf9$f9k$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz"# <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes:0H > We've been busy building a SAN and now I want to introduce VMS to this > environment. > G > We tested a node and it worked as advertised provided all the releasee noteswG > got read and followed to the letter.  We tripped over the SCSI-3 musta have.t > G > Now we wish to include VMS with the other systems we have on the SAN,i mostly? > Sun and NT servers and wondered if anyone here has done same.: >   B 	You might want to bring your vendor in and have a chat with them. In; 	Compaq's document entitlted "Heterogeneous Open SAN Designp@ 	Reference Guide" (a 116 page guide, not sure if it is available
 	from here:),l  ; http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/san/index.html I  0 	You will see on pages 4-2, 4-3 and 4-4 rules on; 	Platform support and attachement rules.  Sun Solaris talksm= 	SCSI-2 and will not play with VMS which talks SCSI-3 *only*.u  ? 	Likewise, there are numerous Unixes that talk SCSI-2 only (in  A 	a Compaq SAN) , among them AIX,Irix,HP-UX and the aforementioned 	 	Solaris.    	NT talks SCSI-2 OR SCSI-3.     J > I'm hearing complaints that Mutibus puts a financial burden on the otherI > platforms.  They need to purchase Secure Path software that isn't cheap0 I'm5 > told.0  E 	If you are active active (i.e. multibus) , you will need Seucre Pathl  B 	for the NT servers that are in that VMS fabric, hence dual cards, 	and whatever else it entails.  B 	This isn't easy stuff, and I am no expert(1) so please follow-up.   				Robf  I (1)  Beware of experts anyhow.  An old saw years ago told me someone thatnC 	claims to be an expert is just trying to get ahold of your wallet.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:38:19 +0000a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>s( Subject: Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A8 Message-ID: <79t19t0k17ls1v6qv5s6l58bn2g2832434@4ax.com>  D On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:19:21 GMT, wkb@freebie.demon.nl (Wilko Bulte) wrote:  P >In <slrn98qnhf.1du.idr@ax9.hep.ucl.ac.uk> idr@hep.ucl.ac.uk (Ivan Reid) writes: >eP >>On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:39:24 -0500, Carmine Castiglia <ccastiglia@engsint.com>, >> wrote in <96jl3t$e1s$1@bob.news.rcn.net>:N >>>I am considering setting up an AlphaServer 1200A as a Win NT server on a 30M >>>user LAN.  Any comments on the latest version of Win NT or Win 2000 ServeruF >>>which would be supported would be appreciated, as well as any other >>>concerns/comments.@ >rE >>	You mean apart from the fact that Compaq discontinued Win NT/AlpharH >>about two years ago, let alone that it never released Win2K for Alpha? >rG >Make that: Microsoft dropped the Alpha version of NT4 and Win2K indeeduG >never saw a real release version for Alpha. I *think* there were betast3 >out there for the alpha (but have never seen one).e  B Went further than Betas. Release Candidate 2 shipped widely to all@ customers on Microsoft Developers Network. Final release shippedF internally within Microsoft and is supposedly available from Microsoft' unsupported if you know the magical URL      >W/    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:19:05 +0000/) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> ( Subject: Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A, Message-ID: <3A911D49.87C3FC2E@infopuls.com>   Alan Greig wrote:y > F > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:19:21 GMT, wkb@freebie.demon.nl (Wilko Bulte) > wrote: > R > >In <slrn98qnhf.1du.idr@ax9.hep.ucl.ac.uk> idr@hep.ucl.ac.uk (Ivan Reid) writes: > >oR > >>On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:39:24 -0500, Carmine Castiglia <ccastiglia@engsint.com>. > >> wrote in <96jl3t$e1s$1@bob.news.rcn.net>:P > >>>I am considering setting up an AlphaServer 1200A as a Win NT server on a 30O > >>>user LAN.  Any comments on the latest version of Win NT or Win 2000 ServereH > >>>which would be supported would be appreciated, as well as any other > >>>concerns/comments.e > > L > >>      You mean apart from the fact that Compaq discontinued Win NT/AlphaJ > >>about two years ago, let alone that it never released Win2K for Alpha? > >tI > >Make that: Microsoft dropped the Alpha version of NT4 and Win2K indeedhI > >never saw a real release version for Alpha. I *think* there were betasw5 > >out there for the alpha (but have never seen one).  > D > Went further than Betas. Release Candidate 2 shipped widely to allB > customers on Microsoft Developers Network. Final release shippedH > internally within Microsoft and is supposedly available from Microsoft) > unsupported if you know the magical URL  >  > >W/a >  > -- > Alan  3 Sorry for jumping in into this not on topic thread. < Are there benchmarks for this 64 bit version? I know someone: using WNT4/Alpha who complained about the performance loss8 through 32 bit mode. Wondering if the speed is okay now.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:35:19 +0000t% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>e( Subject: Re: Win NT on AlphaServer 1200A8 Message-ID: <86b29t4ote31p0gf91aii4c700a96ejjhv@4ax.com>  2 On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:19:05 +0000, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:a     >i4 >Sorry for jumping in into this not on topic thread.= >Are there benchmarks for this 64 bit version? I know someonem; >using WNT4/Alpha who complained about the performance lossu9 >through 32 bit mode. Wondering if the speed is okay now.e  B The almost released versions of W2K/Alpha were 32 bit. However the? fact that Windows is operating as a 32 bit O/S does not stop an C application using the full power of the chip for number crunching.    @ If you go to www.ansys.com and search for benchmarks you'll find Alpha/NT and Tru-64 results. -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:19:41 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com# Subject: RE: www.openvms.compaq.comEH Message-ID: <OF71671C32.E5C3DDE3-ON802569F8.00644082@qedi.quintiles.com>  J I'd like to thank Warren (and colleagues?) for maintaining this server andH the data which are on it.  It's also nice to be able to show people thatB you don't need gigabytes of physical memory to do useful work withK web-servers.  The system in question has 128MB of physical memory and seemsi to do a fine job.l   Thanks guys!        D sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) on 16-02-2001 08:36:14 PM  * Please respond to warren.sander@compaq.com   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd) cc:    (bcc: Steven Reece/QRED/Quintiles)o  $ Subject:  RE: www.openvms.compaq.com       re: running on OpenVMS..  H The openvms web server went live on May 8th 1995. Running OSU server. WeK switched to Purveyor in Aug 1995 and it has been running with Purveyor ever=G since. I have a project in place to migrate to Apache at some time this  year but$ I have to re-do all cgi-scripts etc.  C We have always been running on a OpenVMS system. We started with an/I AS200 4/233 system in a cluster configuration. Since we never failed over-K in 2 years of running we switched one out to be the Altavista search engineoJ server for Digital.com. Then we upgraded to some AS1000's and have been on them ever since (4 years).  ? We switched domains last summer from www.openvms.digital.com tovF www.openvms.compaq.com. From running a dual name in October we went toE just www.openvms.compaq.com and having a smart re-director running asgI www.openvms.digital.com (this is a unix box but they it's unix software).   K We are monitoring the logs watching as the digital.com side references slow J down until we remove the smart re-director and then just go to a re-direct ofF any www.openvms.digital.com url to the openvms home page. (the same is8 happening with tru64unix.compaq.com vs unix.digital.com)  7 You can do some 'commands' on the openvms web server att4 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/misc/about_server.html  > That page isn't 'hooked up' anyplace and is sort of old but...  ) you can do a show system, show memory etcn   -warren    --B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.comh3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875v5    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myselfe,          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2001 10:58:02 +0100O From: pmoreau@dev.ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40) ? Subject: [GRAPHICS PATCH] New 7.2-1 Elsa Patch (install report)-  Message-ID: <qmEdElsuB2kJ@sable>   Hi all,e  B During the week end I've installed the new VMS 7.2-1 graphic patchF DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721_GRAPHICS-V0400-4 on a DS10 466 Mhz with Elsa Gloria N Synergy-8 card. The required VMS721_CPU2208-V0100 patch was installed and the G system rebooted before installation of the graphics patch. After final w. reboot, the new DDX P2 server image is active.  M The new 16 bits mode is interesting, the compromise between number of colors tH and performance is good. No problems with clients like Mosaic, Netscape,# Mozilla 0.7 etc ... It's very nice.   L I've notice a few display bugs with applications linked against Xaw3d, DavidM Mathog's xterm port for example (and others like Rosegarden): the display of i@ scrollbars is corrupted, and the scrollbar is difficult to see.   O Another small display problem with Bookreader: the black border surrounding thep4 text has some moire effect (only in vertical lines).  O Another problem (but is it related to Graphics or Cpu patch ?), I notice rather-J frequent data overrun messages when using the serial line tta0 with kermitD (with versions 5, 6 and 7). These data overruns occured when using aH connexion with a 33.6 modem (serial line at 38400 bs) with XON/XOFF flowI control. These problems don't occure when downloading (31200 bs effectiveaN modem speed, about 6700 bufio/sec and 18% cpu), only using terminal emulation G mode. Same symptom with DECterm or Xterm. When downloading, errors are  H reported when displaying text in another decterm ($ sh system is a good K test ....). Such symptoms where not seen before (or very rarely when using p9 simultaneously sound synthesis program at high priority).   M I'm ready to renew these tests with old version DDX server image (the GZ). iseI it safe to use the DDX GZ image provided in the patch ? Is it possible topI switch with just a decw$startup restart after deleting DECW$SERVER_DDX_GZf5 logical and altering the definition of the logical ina DECW$DEVICE_CONFIG_P2.COM ?   
 Best Regards,a   Patrick  --O =============================================================================== O pmoreau@cena.dgac.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU) 4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================u   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.100 ************************