1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 24 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 109       Contents:  Re: 1.2 GHz Alpha MicroprocessorA Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? A Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? A Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? A Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? A Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? A Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? A Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? @ Re: Alpha: game over. Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity Catch UCX telnet output - how?" Re: Catch UCX telnet output - how?" Re: Catch UCX telnet output - how?" Re: Catch UCX telnet output - how?  Re: Copyright on DECW$CDPLAYER.C  Re: count nr of lines --> prize!. Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing). Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing). Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing). Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing)! DCL: count nr of lines --> prize!  Re: ES40 upgrade?  Re: GCC $ Re: How to specify Reply-To address?$ Re: How to specify Reply-To address?
 HSOF DSTAT Re: HSOF DSTATK Re: Installing Availability Manager V1.4 on NT 4.0 breaks ReflectionsV8.0.2 3 Re: Keeping VMS dates in GMT (was: Version numbers) 3 Re: Keeping VMS dates in GMT (was: Version numbers) 3 Re: Keeping VMS dates in GMT (was: Version numbers)  Re: Lots of Microfiche's found! & multiple dest disks with PCSI install?* Re: multiple dest disks with PCSI install?* Re: multiple dest disks with PCSI install?* Re: multiple dest disks with PCSI install?* Re: multiple dest disks with PCSI install?7 Re: Need to get new mail count ? with a pipe expression + PCSI: language and country specification??? 0 Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop' Spooling TELNET device Re: Spooling TELNET device Re: Spooling TELNET device Re: Spooling TELNET device Re: Umbrellas in the UK  vms 5.5 on vax 4000-200 problem % Re: WKU FILESERV: Updated GZIP-1-2-4B + WKU FILESERV: Updated MMK, plus WASD mirror   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2001 06:15:49 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>) Subject: Re: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor - Message-ID: <874rxlnizu.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ) carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:   I > (OK - it is theoretically possible that somehwere out there someone has K > some presentation software that works using TeX as the underlying source, G > or even a DECwrite document. I've never seen such a thing. If it does G > exist then you don't have to be an idiot, just a bit of a masochist.)   B Somewhere around here I have/had a set of 4 slides of near all theA RSX data structures and their interrelations. Took about 4 min as % I recall. Same time to do the M-PLUS.   - And I could scrible stuff on them as we went.   C The point I was trying to get over, is unless you are still running A NT on your alpha, then a ppt file is not of much use to any alpha  user.   B Ever tried taking notes on prints of a ppt presentation as you go?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Feb 2001 14:13:41 -05009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) J Subject: Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?3 Message-ID: <eZjPE0fxAzhC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   s In article <TFvl6.4282$ce4.1130359@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  > H > "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars> wrote in message > news:3 >>L >> While in college, I co-oped with Burroughs. About the time the B1700 came( >> out, but I never got to work on that. > M > Ah yes, Burroughs... back in the mid-70's I programmed L-Series machines in @ > SL/3 and SL/5 assembler. Yet another useless skill these daze!  L I wasn't even gonna mention them, cuz I figgured no one would know what theyI were. And anyone who did would be too embarassed to admit it! Main memory A was a 512 WORD disk. There were extra heads on the track with the I accumulator. The better ones had ledger (that's what the L was for) cards L with a mag stripe on the back. Held maybe a couple hundred bytes. Enough for3 the header info, line number, and current ballance.   I It was a big deal when the new series came along with 2K of semiconductor J RAM. We had a Cobol cross compiler that ran on the B3700 and punched paper tape for these dinosaurs.   B I don't know if I'e still got anything from my days as an L-series programmer.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:39:40 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>J Subject: Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?< Message-ID: <00zl6.9396$CW1.7504372@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  F "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars> wrote in message- news:eZjPE0fxAzhC@eisner.encompasserve.org... H > In article <TFvl6.4282$ce4.1130359@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C., Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:   > > L > > Ah yes, Burroughs... back in the mid-70's I programmed L-Series machines inB > > SL/3 and SL/5 assembler. Yet another useless skill these daze! > I > I wasn't even gonna mention them, cuz I figgured no one would know what  theyK > were. And anyone who did would be too embarassed to admit it! Main memory C > was a 512 WORD disk. There were extra heads on the track with the K > accumulator. The better ones had ledger (that's what the L was for) cards J > with a mag stripe on the back. Held maybe a couple hundred bytes. Enough for 5 > the header info, line number, and current ballance.  > K > It was a big deal when the new series came along with 2K of semiconductor  > RAM.  + That would be the fabled L9000 Series IIRC.   G > We had a Cobol cross compiler that ran on the B3700 and punched paper  > tape for these dinosaurs.   # Better that than SL/5 from scratch.  > D > I don't know if I'e still got anything from my days as an L-series
 > programmer.    LIRA 0,1	 PKA 1,3,8  etc...  I It's all coming back now, except I don't think I could rewrite the ledger 3 handler--or a three-casette-tape sort--from memory!    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2001 03:54:43 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>J Subject: Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?- Message-ID: <87hf1lnpj0.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   4 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  ? > In article <3A96741E.E04057E4@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard"  > <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:  E > >I would go farther.  I believe that a socketed part is more likely A > >to go bad from air-induced corrosion of the contacts than is a ? > >soldered-in-place part.  If you are dealing with a chip that E > >dissipates 50 or more Watts, then the heat-sink and packaging mass @ > >should prevent the chip itself from reaching normal operating; > >temperature during the soldering process, so there is no 4 > >degradation of reliability from exposure to heat.  E > Interesting thought.  Memory is all socketed, but it doesn't get as E > hot as the CPU does.  So maybe socketed high temperature CPUs would E > have a problem after many years.  I'm not sure that that's true (do B > any Intel systems come with soldered in CPUs???), but let's justE > accept for a minute that it might be true. In that case the upgrade C > path for a high reliability system would have to be a motherboard D > with soldered CPU.  Fine - so long as that upgrade costs like a PCC > (after trade in on the old motherboard/CPU) and not like the full 1 > replacement price that is required on the DS10.   A This was the subject of a thread some time back. The DS10L CPU is C soldered in because of the extra height of a socket. But, as old 11 E hands will remember, you can get frameless socket pins that go direct " into the board, and add no height.  D If you dig out the original Alpha articles from Dec Tech Journal, onB of them was by Rayethon on their Mil Spec Alpha. They had to use aE socket and retainer. Soldering in a chip the size an an Alpha results D is very large thermal induced stress from the soldering process, and0 can fracture the package. And 064s were smaller.  D On the other hand, there is very little slack in modern systems.  IfC you do go the upgrade route with the CPU chip, you quickly run into F problems with bus, memory and IO chipset speeds and the like. But, forF some people, with for instance extremly high cache hit rate and a very. small footprint, it is an atractive way to go.  F Comparing a 600MHz DS20 with a Samsung 264E and about 32M of L3 on the1 daughter card would be an interesting experiment.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:52:00 +1100 0 From: "Dave Gaukroger" <bangalla@ozemail.com.au>J Subject: Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?1 Message-ID: <rQBl6.4282$v4.187763@ozemail.com.au>   5 "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu>  wrote   > Fine - so long as that upgradeJ > costs like a PC (after trade in on the old motherboard/CPU) and not like the 6 > full replacement price that is required on the DS10.  L I'm not trying to frustrate anyone here but I'm still left with the questionD of why do you really need to upgrade your processor etc. religously?  L I work as a Field Engineer for Compaq in Australia and a lot of the sites weJ have on contract are using Vax 4000's and Alpha 2100's for different rolesD throughout their operations. The gear is in use, often in productionL systems, and performing quite well in tailored environments. These companiesJ do this out of choice rather than neccesity as the are still buying alphas and even OpenVMS with them.   D Surely flexability should be a big part of your decision making whenH purchasing a server, I know that I wouldn't want an intel based box overI three years old trying to do anything serious, they simply don't have the E design quality. Alpha's on the other hand keep on keeping on and will G continue to be useful as long as you look for the right application for G them. Even the newer Proliant servers (ML570 etc) which have taken huge H leaps past their predecessors (and I must admit to being quite a fan of)E don't seem to have the design strength of, say, a Digital 7000 Alpha.   J Manufacturing businesses are starting to move back to platforms like AlphaJ VMS/Tru64 because as they pare back their margin for error in an effort toJ save costs maximum uptime has become the holy grail again. Add to this theJ monster that SAP can become in a large organisation and there really isn't0 any reasonable alternative to an Alpha platform.  J I agree that Compaq does a poor job of marketing this very strong product,L we are seen too often as the presario company rather than the Alpha company.J This needs to be rectified or the company will be a consumer market driven5 casualty once the cheap pc market reaches saturation.   > Sorry for the essay, but I'm a great believer in the platform.     Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:10:59 -0500 # From: Paul DeMone <pdemone@igs.net> J Subject: Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?' Message-ID: <3A96EE03.42EE51AA@igs.net>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:   M > And then there's UNISYS. That name was the result of an internal contest at M > Burroughs and Sperry. The winner of the contest no doubt received a monitor * > he or she could wear on his or her head.  @ Pentium was the winner of Intel's name the 586 contest. I'd hateA to imagine what the losers were. Considering the FDIV bug perhaps ' hexium would have been a better choice.    --D Paul W. DeMone       The 801 experiment SPARCed an ARMs race of EPICE Kanata, Ontario      proportions to put more PRECISION and POWER into G demone@mosaid.com    architectures with MIPSed results but ALPHA's well $ pdemone@igs.net      that ends well.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Feb 2001 00:20:35 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)J Subject: Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?, Message-ID: <976uoj$kkq@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  d In article <rQBl6.4282$v4.187763@ozemail.com.au>, "Dave Gaukroger" <bangalla@ozemail.com.au> writes:6 >"David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu>  wrote! >> Fine - so long as that upgrade K >> costs like a PC (after trade in on the old motherboard/CPU) and not like  >the7 >> full replacement price that is required on the DS10.  > M >I'm not trying to frustrate anyone here but I'm still left with the question E >of why do you really need to upgrade your processor etc. religously?   I It needn't be done often - but once would be a help.  The target for this H is not servers but compute farms.  Those very expensive SC installationsA that Compaq has been doing have no upgrade path short of a total  B replacement of all components.  Ditto for my 9 node DS10 beowulf. I Conversely, a similarly huge Beowulf based on Intel or AMD processors can J typically be upgraded at least once during its useful life at a reasonableK price.  The same math applies for desktop systems - but then Compaq clearly K isn't addressing that market with any current Alpha system, even the Linux   ones.    > M >I work as a Field Engineer for Compaq in Australia and a lot of the sites we K >have on contract are using Vax 4000's and Alpha 2100's for different roles  >throughout their operations.    That's pretty old equipment!  E >Surely flexability should be a big part of your decision making when I >purchasing a server, I know that I wouldn't want an intel based box over J >three years old trying to do anything serious, they simply don't have the >design quality.    F There's another argument there - any Intel based box that's at least 3E years old can beneficially and inexpensively be replaced with a newer K model.  Replacing an Alpha is never inexpensive so it has to last.  I agree J with you on the design quality for most Intel boxes.  However it isn't theI motherboard or CPU socket that bites you, it's usually the power supplies K or fans, or less commonly the disks.  I'd happily pay a 2 or 3X premium for F PC CPU fans and power supplies if I was guaranteed a MTBF > 10 years.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech  J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Feb 2001 20:38:27 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.344932.killspam.0142 (Wayne Sewell) J Subject: Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?. Message-ID: <cbVXjyEUQIuR@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  o In article <3$KWKC4fTSKN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes: u > In article <EQul6.4259$ce4.1127603@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: I >>> > Or maybe it'll be time for yet another change in naming convention!  >>> 
 >>> Bingo! >>> E >>> Out goes names like DS##, ES##, and GS###, and in come names like = >>> Presario, Proliant, Professional (whoops), and Precipice.  >>  N >> If Himalaya is the pinnacle, a Windoze98 box must be the precipice. RemindsJ >> me of a parody I saw on the Web... "At Compaq, Our Computers Have SillyL >> Names." You gotta wonder who comes up with names like Prolinea, ProLiant,8 >> Aquanta, Inspirion, Prioris, Celebris, etc, etc, etc. > N > While writing the above post, my wife suggested propholactic, but I couldn'tJ > figure out how to spell it correctly. Same Windoz implication! But otherL > computer vendors are no better. And the Cell Phone industry is leading the9 > way: Verizon, Cingulair (isn't that a drug name?), etc.t >   K My brother tells a story about a high school friend who became a doctor and O wound up working at Parkland Hospital in Dallas.  This is where all the welfaresL cases go, and the guy said that unwed teenage mothers were constantly askingJ the staff for baby name suggestions.  One day somebody was in a particularN nasty mood (my brother's friend said it wasn't him) and suggested a particularM name.  The mother thought it was pretty and used it.  So the poor girl's namet is Placenta!     Waynea   --  O ===============================================================================tM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxC: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)aO ===============================================================================pO Dean Wormer to Flounder: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 02:27:18 GMTD$ From: Ric Werme <werme@mediaone.net>I Subject: Re: Alpha: game over. Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?M< Message-ID: <a_El6.9472$CW1.7702349@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  ; kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes:a  t >In article <zEtl6.4220$ce4.1120435@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:F >> Or maybe it'll be time for yet another change in naming convention!  B >Out goes names like DS##, ES##, and GS###, and in come names like: >Presario, Proliant, Professional (whoops), and Precipice.  5 How about PDP-##?  No need to stick with two letters.    	-Ric Wermem   --@ Ric Werme                            | werme@nospam.mediaone.net; http://people.ne.mediaone.net/werme  |       ^^^^^^^ deletei   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Feb 2001 20:35:07 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)p' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity-+ Message-ID: <976hhr$3kp$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>-  3 In article <bDWSPuhvRr7R@eisner.encompasserve.org>,m0  koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:b |> In article <96k31a$a69$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: |> > aI |> > The current system works just fine, thank you.  All yo need to do is J |> > choose the type of link that meets your needs.  No need to change the5 |> > whole file system to fix a non-existant problem.. |>  K |> It still appears someone else can tye up my disk quota.  That's not justi2 |> fine.  (I can't force them to use a soft link.)  ? Maybe not, but in order to make any link you must have let themu' have access to it in the first place.  4> But even that isn't the only solution.  let's assume you go to< delete a file and see that it has links you are un aware of.; Assuming you own the file (and that must be the case if youa: are concerned about the quota) there is a simple solution.9 We will assume for the sake of this demo that the file ins4 your directory is called SomeFile.txt.  Simply type:E  cat /dev/null >SomeFile.txt;chmod a-rwx SomeFile.txt;rm SomeFile.txtK  A The person now has an empty file (thus, nothing to charge againsti@ your quota) in his or some directory that belongs to you that heA can not use, modify or even delete.   he will need to come to youa< just to get rid of it.  And if he doesn't and you are really@ concerned, a visit to the local SysAdmin can find and remove any+ of these stray files with no effort at all.e  C So, it's not really a problem after all. Just a lack of familiarity" with the system in question.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:48:11 -0500S' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>t' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity ( Message-ID: <976shi$f6i$1@pyrite.mv.net>  < Bill Gunshannon <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message% news:976hhr$3kp$1@info.cs.uofs.edu....5 > In article <bDWSPuhvRr7R@eisner.encompasserve.org>,a2 >  koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:J > |> In article <96k31a$a69$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:r > |> >K > |> > The current system works just fine, thank you.  All yo need to do isaL > |> > choose the type of link that meets your needs.  No need to change the7 > |> > whole file system to fix a non-existant problem.s > |>H > |> It still appears someone else can tye up my disk quota.  That's not just4 > |> fine.  (I can't force them to use a soft link.) >0A > Maybe not, but in order to make any link you must have let theme' > have access to it in the first place.E  H If they only need read access to create a link, that's considerably lessI access than they'd otherwise need to do something that would (eventually)aF cost me quota.  So the relevance of your statement is not clear to me.  @ > But even that isn't the only solution.  let's assume you go to> > delete a file and see that it has links you are un aware of.  K Let's not assume that:  that's not the way I usually delete my files (first C checking the links count - whoops, there'd still be a possible race I there...), nor the way my applications (over whose code I usually have nohI control) delete files on my behalf.  I suppose if I were running Linux ormL another open-source system I could modify the system to perform such a checkL on every application Delete request, but not only is that kind of an extremeG response to the situation but it still wouldn't help me for any files I  owned on a server.  = > Assuming you own the file (and that must be the case if you < > are concerned about the quota) there is a simple solution.; > We will assume for the sake of this demo that the file ind6 > your directory is called SomeFile.txt.  Simply type:G >  cat /dev/null >SomeFile.txt;chmod a-rwx SomeFile.txt;rm SomeFile.txtt > C > The person now has an empty file (thus, nothing to charge againsteB > your quota) in his or some directory that belongs to you that heC > can not use, modify or even delete.   he will need to come to youe > just to get rid of it.  J Sounds as if you've just identified another problem related to hard links,L rather than any kind of solution.  At least if you're saying that I can't rmJ (if that's the right verb) a file I don't have Delete permission to (maybeJ it's just Write permission on Unix) if that would cause its links count toH become zero.  That one might be easier to fix, though:  the system couldJ just dump the file into Lost+Found and let the system manager deal with itJ if it didn't want to promote my permissions in this special case (since noD one else has any interest in the file, hence really shouldn't care).  &   And if he doesn't and you are reallyB > concerned, a visit to the local SysAdmin can find and remove any- > of these stray files with no effort at all.  >tE > So, it's not really a problem after all. Just a lack of familiarityn > with the system in question.  K I readily admit to lack of familiarity with Unix, so perhaps you'll explain E why the behaviors I reacted to above don't constitute problems in any G environment where quotas are, or even may in the future be (when you'll H suddenly start getting charged for those files you *thought* you got rid of), turned on.h   - bill   >t > bill >t > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:32:07 +0100b. From: Marcin Szczecinski <marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl>' Subject: Catch UCX telnet output - how?10 Message-ID: <20010223223207.A24967@lodz.tpsa.pl>   Hi,sG is there a simple (VMS/DCL only) method to catch output from UCX telnete# command (VMS 5.5-2H4 and UCX 3.2) ?h  D I am lookig for something like "SET HOST /LOG=" but there is no /LOG qualifier for TELNET.t1 Redefining SYS$OUTPUT does not work in this case.u   Marcin Szczecinski marcin@lodz.tpsa.plf   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:05:25 GMTm, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>+ Subject: Re: Catch UCX telnet output - how?h& Message-ID: <3A96DEC3.5BC5BAE8@gmx.ch>  H Why don't you do a set host /log, then your telnet? Your session will be recorded in the .log, no?w   D.   Marcin Szczecinski wrote:e >  > Hi,nI > is there a simple (VMS/DCL only) method to catch output from UCX telnetM% > command (VMS 5.5-2H4 and UCX 3.2) ?2 > F > I am lookig for something like "SET HOST /LOG=" but there is no /LOG > qualifier for TELNET. 3 > Redefining SYS$OUTPUT does not work in this case.1 >  > Marcin Szczecinski > marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:25:55 GMTl= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) + Subject: Re: Catch UCX telnet output - how?m0 Message-ID: <009F8146.242662C6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <20010223223207.A24967@lodz.tpsa.pl>, Marcin Szczecinski <marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl> writes:7 >Hi,H >is there a simple (VMS/DCL only) method to catch output from UCX telnet$ >command (VMS 5.5-2H4 and UCX 3.2) ? > E >I am lookig for something like "SET HOST /LOG=" but there is no /LOG  >qualifier for TELNET.2 >Redefining SYS$OUTPUT does not work in this case. >r >Marcin Szczecinskiu >marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl >  >s@ Upgrade your UCX (and your VMS) and you can have TELNET/LOG_FILE   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            tO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.o   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Feb 2001 01:12:48 GMT0 From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)+ Subject: Re: Catch UCX telnet output - how? 5 Message-ID: <9771qg$8js$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>V  0 In article <20010223223207.A24967@lodz.tpsa.pl>,0 Marcin Szczecinski  <marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl> wrote:I : is there a simple (VMS/DCL only) method to catch output from UCX telnet % : command (VMS 5.5-2H4 and UCX 3.2) ?p : F : I am lookig for something like "SET HOST /LOG=" but there is no /LOG : qualifier for TELNET.t3 : Redefining SYS$OUTPUT does not work in this case.t : H There will no doubt be many answers to this question, but questions likeF this, when answered, usually just lead to more questions, like "how doE I automate logging in", etc.  The answer to all these questions is toAK use C-Kermit as your Telnet client.  It can log the session for you, and iteI can be automated to any desired degree, and it can do lots of other stufff too:  -   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.htmlr   - FrankA   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:39:23 -0700r$ From: Nelson  <ningersoll@atmel.com>) Subject: Re: Copyright on DECW$CDPLAYER.CC8 Message-ID: <qced9toavih44mmuc6lht7h5mip3jl4j17@4ax.com>  A    I'm am certainly NOT a lawyer however, I believe the followingh would be true:  C    1) If the original code was truly covered under the GNU GPL ...  	       andcA    2) The current version is an enhancement of the same code ... b
       thenA    3) The current code is also covered by GNU GPL in spite of ANY-F       stipulation to the contrary.  Such is clearly covered, IMHO, in >       the GNU GPL.  I would presume any attempt to change the B       licensing after the fact could be construed as an attempt to=       break the original GPL license and thus steal the code.   D    However, all the above assumes the original work included the GNUD General Public License (GPL) in the code and distribution.  If thereB was no licensing information with the code then the "new" code wasE simply not copyrighted and now might/could be copyrighted without anyi problem.  @    I further understand that someone could hold the copyright onE something and apply the GNU GPL to its distribution and use.  The twoa! are not necessarily incompatible.o   - Nelson ...  D On 23 Feb 2001 13:13:30 GMT, "Phil Tregoning" <ptregoni@esoc.esa.de> wrote:   >Hi, >m5 >I wanted to grab the SCSI/IDE CD code out of the new-; >DECwindows CD player code (DECW$CD_PLAYER.C) available at:q >.3 >  http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/DQDRIVER/a >o. >This is for something that might end up being >made freeware.6 >$2 >The old (V4 freeware) version of this file had no3 >copyright statement, and so was covered by the GNUo >general public license. >i% >This new version says the following:u >w/ >  Copyright  2000 Compaq Computer Corporations >k9 >  COMPAQ Registered in U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.l > ? >  Confidential computer software. Valid license from Compaq or B >  authorized sublicensor required for possession, use or copying. >e >What's going on here then?a >  >Phil Tp >d >o >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:47:18 -0500a- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>t) Subject: Re: count nr of lines --> prize!s4 Message-ID: <ZTAl6.133611$Z2.1781206@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  9 "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> wrote in messaget  news:3A96A342.4F773FAD@gmx.ch...	 > ahem...  >i > ISLKP1> type a.a# > $ pipe sear 'p1' ""/log/win=0 | -  >  (read sys$input line ; -t >   read sys$input line ; -a$ >   define/job line &line /nolog ; -< >   write sys$output "''f$element(3," ",f$trnlnm("line"))'") > ISLKP1> @a.a a.a > 5t >n' > One line, Peter, with *your* code :-)  >s  D I thought you wanted it in a symbol so I put the WRITE SYS$OUTPUT inC line two to simulate the creation of a symbol. But if you're happy,0( I'm happy. It was a fun little exercise.  C Compaq should have a monthly contest to let us test our skills. OnehF month write a program to do x in DCL only. All working entries go intoB a hat and 10 people get Hoff's latest book. Next month write a TPUC routine to do y and 10 people will win an umbrella (BTW: One person * here has his, I haven't seen mine yet :().   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:19:54 -0600e7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>n7 Subject: Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing) - Message-ID: <3A971A4A.83B74895@earthlink.net>o   Bill Todd wrote: > > > Tom Wade <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.removespam> wrote in message) > news:BAtl6.2784$PF4.8121@news.iol.ie...h >  > ...' > D >   And in case you think you know enough Latin to remember which is
 > > which,M > > do you know if 12 PM is 00:00 or 12:00 ? (a rhetorical question - I don'td > > want ors > > need to know). > K > My vague recollection of Latin is that such knowledge does not answer the* > question.*   Well, actually yes it does:    P.M. = Post Meridiam  3 Phase I English Translation: "after (the) meridian"*C Phase II English Translation: "after the sun crosses the meridian".-  @ The key word there is "sun". If it's *AFTER* the sun crosses theB meridian (or perhaps more correctly, while the sun is crossing theF (nearest) meridian (to the East of your position, unless you're at theF meridan)), then 12:00 (12:00 P.M.) can only be during the light hours.   A.M. = Ante Meridiam  4 Phase I English Translation: "before (the) meridian"D Phase II English Translation: "before the sun crosses the meridian".  D Same deal. If it's *BEFORE* the sun crosses the meridian, then 00:00/ (12:00 A.M.) can only be during the dark hours.   G Personally, I adopted 24 hour time when I started taking flying lessonsdB back in the late-summer and fall of 1980. Caught on to "Zulu" timeG fairly quickly there after. Soon grew accustomed to having local sunsetu  occur at such times as 02:00Z...   -- p David J. DachteraW dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:37:43 -0500c' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>a7 Subject: Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing)r( Message-ID: <9776fe$lqf$1@pyrite.mv.net>  @ David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:3A971A4A.83B74895@earthlink.net...  > Bill Todd wrote: > >s@ > > Tom Wade <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.removespam> wrote in message+ > > news:BAtl6.2784$PF4.8121@news.iol.ie...  > >t > > ...a > >TF > >   And in case you think you know enough Latin to remember which is > > > which,I > > > do you know if 12 PM is 00:00 or 12:00 ? (a rhetorical question - I= don't=
 > > > want ort > > > need to know). > >tI > > My vague recollection of Latin is that such knowledge does not answerx thew
 > > question.n >a > Well, actually yes it does:  >a > P.M. = Post Meridiam >u5 > Phase I English Translation: "after (the) meridian"=E > Phase II English Translation: "after the sun crosses the meridian".n >:B > The key word there is "sun". If it's *AFTER* the sun crosses the
 > meridian  H ... and therein lies the problem, which you so glibly glide over in yourJ parenthetical phrase below (the Latin contains no mention of Eastness, norF whileness):  12 noon is *not* 'after' (or before, for that matter) theJ crossing, and 12 midnight could be considered *either* after or before the	 crossing.6  K So in fact a knowledge of Latin does not answer the question.  As I stated.d   - bill  :  (or perhaps more correctly, while the sun is crossing theH > (nearest) meridian (to the East of your position, unless you're at theH > meridan)), then 12:00 (12:00 P.M.) can only be during the light hours. >  > A.M. = Ante Meridiam >t6 > Phase I English Translation: "before (the) meridian"F > Phase II English Translation: "before the sun crosses the meridian". >eF > Same deal. If it's *BEFORE* the sun crosses the meridian, then 00:001 > (12:00 A.M.) can only be during the dark hours.l >iI > Personally, I adopted 24 hour time when I started taking flying lessonstD > back in the late-summer and fall of 1980. Caught on to "Zulu" timeI > fairly quickly there after. Soon grew accustomed to having local sunset)" > occur at such times as 02:00Z... >n > -- > David J. Dachterag > dba DJE Systemsl > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o >iH > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. >lB > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:15:05 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>y7 Subject: Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing) - Message-ID: <3A972739.75A3E3A3@earthlink.net>a   Bill Todd wrote: > B > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message) > news:3A971A4A.83B74895@earthlink.net...h > > Bill Todd wrote: > > > B > > > Tom Wade <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.removespam> wrote in message- > > > news:BAtl6.2784$PF4.8121@news.iol.ie...e > > >w	 > > > ...t > > >(H > > >   And in case you think you know enough Latin to remember which is > > > > which,K > > > > do you know if 12 PM is 00:00 or 12:00 ? (a rhetorical question - I  > don'te > > > > want or  > > > > need to know). > > >yK > > > My vague recollection of Latin is that such knowledge does not answers > thel > > > question.  > >l > > Well, actually yes it does:e > >e > > P.M. = Post Meridiam > >t7 > > Phase I English Translation: "after (the) meridian"nG > > Phase II English Translation: "after the sun crosses the meridian".c > >aD > > The key word there is "sun". If it's *AFTER* the sun crosses the > > meridian > J > ... and therein lies the problem, which you so glibly glide over in yourL > parenthetical phrase below (the Latin contains no mention of Eastness, norH > whileness):  12 noon is *not* 'after' (or before, for that matter) theL > crossing, and 12 midnight could be considered *either* after or before the > crossing.  > M > So in fact a knowledge of Latin does not answer the question.  As I stated.e  H Well, yes it does; however, it assumes knowledge of the direction of theD earth's rotation and knowledge of whether local time is based on the? sun's orientation in relation to the meridian which lies in theeG direction of the earth's rotation, or counter to the earth's rotation. y  % Perhaps therein lies the problem, no?d  F FWIW, I've never encountered any location where time is measured basedF on the "following" meridian, versus the "preceding" meridian (relativeG to the earth's rotation), which is the norm, AFAIK. There may very well D be one or more, FAIK. In such case, then yes - I can see your point.   -- s David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:24:38 -0600w7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>t7 Subject: Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing)h- Message-ID: <3A972976.63ADED36@earthlink.net>e   Bill Todd wrote: > B > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message) > news:3A971A4A.83B74895@earthlink.net...  > > Bill Todd wrote: > > > B > > > Tom Wade <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.removespam> wrote in message- > > > news:BAtl6.2784$PF4.8121@news.iol.ie...  > > >i	 > > > ...t > > > H > > >   And in case you think you know enough Latin to remember which is > > > > which,K > > > > do you know if 12 PM is 00:00 or 12:00 ? (a rhetorical question - Id > don'ti > > > > want or. > > > > need to know). > > >/K > > > My vague recollection of Latin is that such knowledge does not answern > thes > > > question.h > >o > > Well, actually yes it does:q > >  > > P.M. = Post Meridiam > >e7 > > Phase I English Translation: "after (the) meridian"eG > > Phase II English Translation: "after the sun crosses the meridian".f > >vD > > The key word there is "sun". If it's *AFTER* the sun crosses the > > meridian > J > ... and therein lies the problem, which you so glibly glide over in yourL > parenthetical phrase below (the Latin contains no mention of Eastness, norH > whileness):  12 noon is *not* 'after' (or before, for that matter) theL > crossing, and 12 midnight could be considered *either* after or before the > crossing.e > M > So in fact a knowledge of Latin does not answer the question.  As I stated.p  4 Ah. So, you're talking about the difference between:  : o 00:00:00.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000   and :   00:00:00.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001   -or-  : o 12:00:00.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000   ands:   12:00:00.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001   Correct?   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsc http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:46:57 -0500o2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>* Subject: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize!7 Message-ID: <200102232047_MC2-C69E-F280@compuserve.com>             I can do it in one line!  " $ SEARCH /STATISTICS  MUMBLE.TXT X  H         Yes, it produces some extraneous output but I claim it meets the specified conditions!a    & Message text written by Didier MorandiE >Post here your best code to count from a DCL procedure the number ofXG lines of a given text file. The one who posts the minimum of lines winsnF his/her name in the source code of a DCL tool which could be submitted' one day (who knows) to the freeware CD.l   I start:   $../.. $ gosub GET_NR_OF_LINES ' $ nr_of_lines =3D f$element(3," ",line)r $../.. $GET_NR_OF_LINES:MG $!--------------------------------- count starts here -----------------  $ def/user sys$output a.temp0 $ search myfile "qwertyuioppoiuytrewq"/log/noout $ open/read ch a.temp  $ read ch line
 $ close chG $!--------------------------------- count stops here ------------------D	 $ return<t   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2001 02:50:44 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: ES40 upgrade?- Message-ID: <87n1bdnshn.fsf@prep.synonet.com>g  / "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:c  = > You do NOT add the two currents, they are the same current.-  > But not the same COPPER... Your total condutor rating/area etc. has to handle both supply and return currents.  D I am quite familiar with conservation of charge thanks. Learned that- in primary school... BTW, current /=/ charge.2   -- 6< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:29:22 +0000d) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>z Subject: Re: GCC, Message-ID: <3A96E442.C4928359@infopuls.com>   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:E > . > In article <3A95B097.27C4D476@infopuls.com>,- > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:  > > @ > > I just heard that the 2.8 version of gcc is severely broken.D > > This version has been built after a bunch of key developers left: > > and started the egcs project which is now the gcc 2.9.4 > > DISCLAIMER: this is only third hand information.@ > > My own experience with the 2.8.1 version is pretty bad also. > M > I have not heard anything really bad about GCC 2.8.1 on VAX, other than the.  > erratta that I already posted. > L > If someone wants to learn compiler optimization, the GCC for OpenVMS couldL > clearly use some attention.  On just the VAX platform there are many cases= > where it should be generating far better code than it does.s > I > There are some people, that have posted that the GCC compiler for AlphaiJ > could produce bad code under some conditions, as I have never used it, I > do not know. > K > I do know that in both cases Compaq C clearly generates superior code and-H > with it's availability as part of the Hobby program, there is not muchB > incentive for anyone to continue to try to maintain GCC for VMS. > C > Adopting and maintaining a project like GCC or SAMBA from someone E > starting out in programming could however lead to better skills and0E > correspondinly better employment down the road.  The companies thatWH > produce commercial software do look favorably on the experience gained > from that. > : > No guarantees of that though like anything else in life. >  > -John  > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only.  ? The problem statement was about the Linux version but AFAIK them8 source is pretty much the same. I encountered wrong code> generation which prevented my program from accessing low level  hardware. No problem with 2.7.2.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 04:59:48 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: How to specify Reply-To address?r8 Message-ID: <8dHl6.122$dl6.1833@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  V In article <96usnf$nlp$1@hecate.umd.edu>, bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau) writes:A :Does anyone know how to specify a reply-to address?  I'm runningn0 :OpenVMS AXP 7.1-2 with UCX V4.2 ECO 1.  Thanks.  G   Get to V5.0A ECO1 and later and the SMTP Outbound Alias Support, and  A   you can do this via the TCPIP$SMTP_FROM logical name mechanism.e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:21:56 -0700C% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>d- Subject: Re: How to specify Reply-To address? ) Message-ID: <3A9744F4.16BA662F@rdrop.com>f   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > X > In article <96usnf$nlp$1@hecate.umd.edu>, bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau) writes:C > :Does anyone know how to specify a reply-to address?  I'm runningb2 > :OpenVMS AXP 7.1-2 with UCX V4.2 ECO 1.  Thanks. > H >   Get to V5.0A ECO1 and later and the SMTP Outbound Alias Support, andC >   you can do this via the TCPIP$SMTP_FROM logical name mechanism.   G As mentioned, TCPIP 5.1 is out on the latest consolidated distribution-tE reportedly TCPIP$SMTP_SFF.EXE (Send From File) works in this version.'   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:15:39 -0800-. From: Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> Subject: HSOF DSTAT"( Message-ID: <3A96D2FB.123FDE58@vmmc.org>  H I was looking through one of the HSOF for our HSZ70 controller and saw aG reference to a controller utility named DSTAT which collects controllersH usage info.  I asked Compaq about it and was sent a PDF copy of a manualC with a very thorough explanation of what it does and how to use it.s  H Basically, when run, it outputs the values of its internal counters on aH regular, say 60 second, cycle.  It's meant to be used by some host based= pgm which would collect, then format and analyze the numbers.a  1 Has anyone developed any code to work with DSTAT?    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Feb 2001 16:44:49 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)o Subject: Re: HSOF DSTATy3 Message-ID: <uagoijEjYuW6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <3A96D2FB.123FDE58@vmmc.org>, Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> writes:tJ > I was looking through one of the HSOF for our HSZ70 controller and saw aI > reference to a controller utility named DSTAT which collects controller-J > usage info.  I asked Compaq about it and was sent a PDF copy of a manualE > with a very thorough explanation of what it does and how to use it.s > J > Basically, when run, it outputs the values of its internal counters on aJ > regular, say 60 second, cycle.  It's meant to be used by some host based? > pgm which would collect, then format and analyze the numbers.  > 3 > Has anyone developed any code to work with DSTAT?a >   ? 	I haven't and have thought about it but decided not to bother. B 	There is a utility out and about called DSTAT Viewer, perhaps you? 	can track that down.  Essentially it talks out the com port ofw@ 	your laptop/PC to the controller and gives you a nice visual of= 	what is going on.  Couple cautions here.. don't run DSTAT on"B 	both controllers in a dual-redundant pair AT THE SAME TIME.  Been@ 	there, hung that (ever so briefly, but hung it was!).  Also, itB 	is a bit intensive/intrusive that is why the default time scan isB 	60 seconds, wouldn't want to get tricky and lower it to 1 second," 	haven't made that experiment yet.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:37:50 -0600i7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>"T Subject: Re: Installing Availability Manager V1.4 on NT 4.0 breaks ReflectionsV8.0.2- Message-ID: <3A971E7E.CAC3F1A5@earthlink.net>h  
 Koloth wrote:A > C > We have a cluster running OpenVMS.  We are using a NT V4.0 PC for H > running ConsoleWorks, Availability Manager and Reflections (a terminal > emulator). > G > We install Reflections V8.0.2 first then install Availability ManageraC > V1.4 I can no longer use reflections.  I get an exception: access.? > violation (oxC0000005) Address 0x11D1930  Image is r2win.exe.l > C > To get reflections to work again I have to uninstall Availabilitym4 > manager, reboot, reinstall reflections and reboot. > G > I don't need to hear the flames about using NT in the first place!  IrI > need to know if anyone else is having this problem and how do I fix it?a@ > I know that ConsoleWork work on OpenVMS.  I'm pretty sure thatH > availability manager should work on OpenVMS.  Not if only StorageWorks? > Command Console (SWCC) did I'd get a DS10L and chuck the PCs.e   <pet_peeve>uH Well, in the first place, it's "Reflection" - singular. See the "splash"D screen - it says "Reflection/2", "Reflection/4", "Reflection/FTP" or? something similar, does it not? I have yet to see one that says.8 "Reflections/2" or "Reflections/4" or "Reflections/FTP". </pet_peeve>  / Secondly, have you inquired of support@wrq.com?   D First guess time, there's some conflict between (probably) a DLL andG WRQ's software. It (WRQ) obviously doesn't like something that is beingtF supplied with AM and which the installer (program) is not smart enough> to know that it should not replace the existing copy (good ol'H \windows\system, or in your case probably \winnt\system strikes again!).  D If it were me, I'd try hacking the installations to find out exactlyD what files each puts where, and try to isolate the offending libraryH file(s). Then, replace it(them) with what WRQ expects and see if AM will live with that..  C Maybe start by installing AM first and see if installing WRQ breaks  AM...e   <OpenVMS_Bigot>(D Being as it's NT crapware, however, that's probably just ... well, I should shut up 'bout now.   F I wonder how much Gates is paying Compaq to force us to manage OpenVMS using Micro$hit... </OpenVMS_Bigot>   -- a David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Feb 2001 15:09:40 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)l< Subject: Re: Keeping VMS dates in GMT (was: Version numbers)3 Message-ID: <7jAVW711SNbU@eisner.encompasserve.org>k   In article <y4n1bdtkuy.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:N > The problem is, among others, that the UTC format is 128 bits. Your solutionN > would be incompatible with the current VMS UTC implementation. Your solutionL > would mean that file dates don't travel well (not that they do this today,N > mind you, but the problem would be somewhat painted over). And anybody usingP > the TIMEZONE stuff of TCP based on the current interpretation of a file header > would break also. Enough?o   No, not enough.,  A You seem to be more concerned with using the new format than withaB preserving information.  Export and Import programs can convert toB the UTC format, but the UTC/GMT _time_ can be kept in the existing8 quadwords to more than enough accuracy for ordinary use.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:18:49 +0000k) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>7< Subject: Re: Keeping VMS dates in GMT (was: Version numbers), Message-ID: <3A96E1C9.AF8FC12B@infopuls.com>  
 In article= <y4n1bdyd3p.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,. Jan = Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>m writes:c- > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:  > N >> > > I wish while they were adding fields, they would have added UTC offsetsN >> > > so you could easily and consistently convert the dates to UTC (the dateF >> > > fields themselves would still be local time for compatibility).D >> I don't understand that idea. Wouldn't it be better to store onlyN >> normalised i.e. UTC times and display whatever time the user wants to see?  > 3 > Yes, but that would break backward compatibility.   > How so ?   I have 15 years of VMS files with dates in GMT.  If	 VMS added : a per-process (actually probably per-thread would be best)
 offset to the @ time to be displayed, different users could be in different time zones.8 If your system happens to historically stored dates in a different time7 zone, keep it that way and set the offsets differently.*         Jano Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  > In article <y4n1bdtkuy.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:P > > The problem is, among others, that the UTC format is 128 bits. Your solutionP > > would be incompatible with the current VMS UTC implementation. Your solutionN > > would mean that file dates don't travel well (not that they do this today,P > > mind you, but the problem would be somewhat painted over). And anybody usingR > > the TIMEZONE stuff of TCP based on the current interpretation of a file header > > would break also. Enough?n >  > No, not enough.e > C > You seem to be more concerned with using the new format than withoD > preserving information.  Export and Import programs can convert toD > the UTC format, but the UTC/GMT _time_ can be kept in the existing: > quadwords to more than enough accuracy for ordinary use.  ; Sorry, I wasn't clear enough: I didn't want to say anything.: about the internal storage layout or precision of the time@ value. The idea is simply to use the current internal format but8 let it keep the value which is equivalent to UTC wrt the@ precision independent of the user's time zone. In a user process6 the time zone is observed and the values are displayed9 appropriately and input is interpreted according to that.g> I'm sure it can easily be proved that there is no problem with< backward compatibility as it would be possible to adjust the< system's time to GMT or UTC. Having processes displaying and> interpreting shifted values is no problem as long as there are< no exchanges with other processes which use a different time? zone. Only in that case some care has to be taken but this willn? only involve user written code. There is always the possibility ? not to use that feature. Of course lexical functions have to beo: extended or a system wide logical has to be established to control this feature.r   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Feb 2001 16:39:55 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.344932.killspam.0142 (Wayne Sewell) < Subject: Re: Keeping VMS dates in GMT (was: Version numbers). Message-ID: <3yae0mFckuyl@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  o In article <q5FJr1E2i0YT@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:s > In article <y4n1bdyd3p.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:. >> Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: >> 1O >>> > > I wish while they were adding fields, they would have added UTC offsetsiO >>> > > so you could easily and consistently convert the dates to UTC (the dateaG >>> > > fields themselves would still be local time for compatibility).hE >>> I don't understand that idea. Wouldn't it be better to store only0O >>> normalised i.e. UTC times and display whatever time the user wants to see? 0 >> 04 >> Yes, but that would break backward compatibility. > J > How so ?   I have 15 years of VMS files with dates in GMT.  If VMS addedJ > a per-process (actually probably per-thread would be best) offset to theI > time to be displayed, different users could be in different time zones.nI > If your system happens to historically stored dates in a different timer9 > zone, keep it that way and set the offsets differently.e  L I have heard of datesim customers doing this.  Datesim was intended as a Y2KN testing tool, but these particular customers found an operational use for it. N They have a server which accepts remote logins from all over the country.  TheM captive login procedure uses datesim to set the local time for the process tooJ match the user's time zone if it is different from the server's time zone.  J Sounds great to me.  I never thought anybody would be buying datesim after 31-dec-1999.   :-)     -- cO ===============================================================================eM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)fO =============================================================================== B Cute Girl, to Curly: "Oh, what a beautiful head of bone you have!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:05:51 GMT-2 From: Arthur Krewat <krewat@bartek.dontspamme.net>( Subject: Re: Lots of Microfiche's found!5 Message-ID: <3A96EC1E.559350D2@bartek.dontspamme.net>    Bob Kaplow wrote:l > 3 > >> > > Remember, "Every Vax will have a RX-01"...e > >> > > > >> >A > >> > someone should have told that to the Vax-11/750 team, that2< > >> > way, I wouldn't have had to ASK that question !    :) > >>7 > >> 750's do have an RX01... it's called a TU58!   8-)p > >n  > > Was it comparable in format? > I > Physically, of course not. But both the RX01 and TU58 were RT-11 formata( > devices, with mostly RT-11 OS on them.  > I can tell the difference between a floppy and a Dectape II :)  ; Were the TU58's some sort of serial that could be read by ac9 normal UART - Current loop or RS-232? I recall this beingn5 said. I could read all my TU58's for the '750 easily.    art k.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:02:10 GMTa, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>/ Subject: multiple dest disks with PCSI install? & Message-ID: <3A96B3CF.76661417@gmx.ch>  F Do I dream or there is no way to handle more than one destination disk in a product install?m  E I need to create files on two different disks, and create directorieshE first, and the directory verb doesn't accept disks specification, andm) the product install/dest allows only one.r   So?    D.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Feb 2001 15:20:21 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 3 Subject: Re: multiple dest disks with PCSI install?h3 Message-ID: <sQikq6RDumw3@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  U In article <3A96B3CF.76661417@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:eH > Do I dream or there is no way to handle more than one destination disk > in a product install?s > G > I need to create files on two different disks, and create directoriesVG > first, and the directory verb doesn't accept disks specification, andr+ > the product install/dest allows only one.   D Certainly the PCSI expectation is that your customer will put all of! your software onto the same disk.h  + Are you really using PCSI to deliver Data ?o   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Feb 2001 15:24:26 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 3 Subject: Re: multiple dest disks with PCSI install?,3 Message-ID: <0EAlHEUFypFq@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  U In article <3A96B3CF.76661417@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:MH > Do I dream or there is no way to handle more than one destination disk > in a product install?o > G > I need to create files on two different disks, and create directoriesrG > first, and the directory verb doesn't accept disks specification, and + > the product install/dest allows only one.g  D I don't understand how you could expect such an installation to work2 in the complex environment at which PCSI is aimed:  3 	$ PRODUCT INSTALL/SOURCE=DISK$STAGING:[PRODUCTS] -  		PRODUCT_FROM_DIDIER,-e 		PRODUCT_FROM_LARRY,- 		PRODUCT_FROM_BRIAN,-& 		<list of 47 products from Compaq>...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:03:28 GMT4, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>3 Subject: Re: multiple dest disks with PCSI install?d& Message-ID: <3A96DE4E.C83D632A@gmx.ch>  F Larry, you are not in the scope of the issue. I work on a vmsinstal toH PCSI migration tool and, before deciding that feature xyz doesn't exist,C I investigate then post questions here (until some PCSI developpersE! start to read the yahoo group :-)O  C The stuff I'm translating (a 2200 lines kitinstal.com file) createsiE today dozens of directories for Rdb journalling, snapshots, ruj, log,-F dmp and other .COM and .SQL, you see. It's not a problem for me to putG all the stuff in the same disk, but I think the response time will fall-> dramatically (and it is not what the Customer asked me to do).  H Today, the database of the Customer is split on 10 different disks, thenE all written I/Os - which are actually not data but logs or whatever -fE are written elsewhere to speed up execution. This is the point. So, IoD HAVE to allow the user to put the stuff where it should go. To me, a< good solution is to do that in a post-install DCL procedure.   D.   Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  > F > I don't understand how you could expect such an installation to work4 > in the complex environment at which PCSI is aimed:   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Feb 2001 17:31:04 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen))3 Subject: Re: multiple dest disks with PCSI install?-3 Message-ID: <eVnnkHBpMda0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3A96DE4E.C83D632A@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:FH > Larry, you are not in the scope of the issue. I work on a vmsinstal toJ > PCSI migration tool and, before deciding that feature xyz doesn't exist,E > I investigate then post questions here (until some PCSI developpers # > start to read the yahoo group :-)h > E > The stuff I'm translating (a 2200 lines kitinstal.com file) creates G > today dozens of directories for Rdb journalling, snapshots, ruj, log, H > dmp and other .COM and .SQL, you see. It's not a problem for me to putI > all the stuff in the same disk, but I think the response time will fallw@ > dramatically (and it is not what the Customer asked me to do). > J > Today, the database of the Customer is split on 10 different disks, thenG > all written I/Os - which are actually not data but logs or whatever -aG > are written elsewhere to speed up execution. This is the point. So, IoF > HAVE to allow the user to put the stuff where it should go. To me, a> > good solution is to do that in a post-install DCL procedure.  : Certainly, since there is no PCSI support for such things.  E But if there _were_ PCSI support it would contradict the general PCSIaE design of not requiring the customer to think (much) about individual C products during the installation.  The 47-products-at-a-time that IeD suggested was an example of the goals of PCSI -- allowing simple use+ of the tool for multiple products together.e  D Your post-installation Configure step is one that _should_ have beenD taken by many products with their VMSINSTAL kits, but was not.  As aG result, VMSINSTAL kits got very complex and were not robust in the facet$ of varied installation environments.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Feb 2001 06:41:39 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)n@ Subject: Re: Need to get new mail count ? with a pipe expression5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-oPzzd09LnOo9@localhost>   6 On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:35:31, "Jean-Franois Marchal" ' <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:e  " > "Jean-Franois Marchal" wrote:> L > I do not think it would be usefull because of a clear screen which is done > just after login,-. > so the user has no time to read the line ...  E ARRRGGGHHH!!!! One of may all time pet peeves. I've never understood  C the mentality of people who think it is a 'good' idea to clear the fE screen of any useful information, i.e. filenames, error and/or help  h
 messages.   < Still, each to his own I suppose but you'll still hear that  AAAARRRGGGHHH! from me :-)   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:25:38 GMTt, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>4 Subject: PCSI: language and country specification???& Message-ID: <3A96B94E.9BAC1E51@gmx.ch>  E I turned on the /log feature of the product package command and I gets that:k  = %PCSI-I-PKGTXTNNM, packaged text without language and countrys
 specifications  - I didn't find anything in the doc about this.e   D.  6 also posted in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vmsinstal   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:16:08 -0500W  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>9 Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'o5 Message-ID: <1010223180545.3712A-100000@Ives.egh.com>d  E Both my Dell P90 and Micron 800 Mhz P3 have looked up many times sucheG that I needed to power down to clear it.  Running W3.1, W95, W98 on thecE P90 and W98SE on the Micron.  Not doing anything strange or using anytC unusual hardware, just normal Windows home PC usage.  Not even manynE games, except Solitaire and Minesweeper :-)  By "need to power down", C I mean that nothing else works.  CTRL/ALT/DEL is ignored, as is theeE reset button.  (In some cases, the mouse still works, you can see the F cursor move around but clicking it has no effect, but key presses justF cause it to beep.  In other cases, it seems dead.)  This kind of thingE has happened maybe once a month over the 7 years I've had the P90 andeC the year I've had the Micron.  The Micron hasn't wedged in the lastsE month since I installed W2K on it, so maybe there is some progress ine
 the world.  C (The Micron doesn't have a power switch.  You have to hold down thefA reset button for about 8-10 seconds to get it to power down.  I'mdC not certain, but I think at least once I had to pull the power plugi to get it to turn off.)   % On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Bill Todd wrote:s  L > The below makes me curious:  I've used Windows at home for many years now,F > and I believe never actually had to power down the system to clear aK > problem, though the hardware reset button gets more use than it ought to.nK > My vague recollection is that early-on the conventional wisdom was that aSL > three-finger software reboot missed some volatile state that might need toM > be scrubbed, and that even a hardware reset might miss something - but I'veeJ > never actually encountered the latter case, which to me suggests that asJ > long as a reset button is on the front of the case the power switch onlyK > needs to be there for people who regularly shut down their machines (less:M > necessary in these days of power-saving options, though I usually do when I@6 > know I won't be using the machine for several days). >  > - bill > 7 > WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messaget) > news:0033000016983109000002L092*@MHS...: > # > Back in the ancient dayes of DOS,e* > the IBM PC-XT and the AT had their power3 > switches on the side of the box towards the back.t > / > Movement of switch position to front of boxenn > probably coincided with theo' > "need to cold boot that sucker a lot"  > *feature* of MS Windows. >  > WWWebb   -- g John SantosO Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Feb 2001 00:51:39 GMT From: ka2doug@cs.com (KA2DOUG) Subject: Spooling TELNET devicet> Message-ID: <20010223195139.24380.00002522@ng-mc1.news.cs.com>  F Is there a trick to setting a TNA device spooled or is it not allowed?C I have found nothing in any of the manuals that discusses this (but-D I did only search the on-line docs for a couple of hours, so I might have missed it:-)r  A Our Problem: We use many programs that open the printer and writeoC directly to it. We have been creating LTA devices for our LAT awareeB servers and they work fine whether spooled or not. Now, we need to? print to a device that doesn't have LAT and we need it spooled.m  B If we leave the TNA device nospooled the programs print to it just? fine, and everything works exactly like the LTA did, so we knowo the TNA session is functioning.y  M We can create a queue using /PROC=UCX$TELNETSYM /ON="10.40.40.201:3002"   andu" queue things to the printer, so weA know that much is working, but that doesn't give us a device namet  to print to. (see example below)  F Is there some other way to do this? Any help will be much appreciated.    -Doug Phillipsa   Kirby Associates, Inc.  ===start===  UCX> SHOW VERSION  8   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.26   on a AlphaServer 1000 4/266 running OpenVMS V6.2      $-  $ TELNET /CREATE_SESSION 10.40.40.201 3002 2f)  %TELNET-S-CRSES, Session created on TNA2t!  $ SET PROT=(W:RWLP)/DEVICE TNA2:i'  $ SET TERM TNA2:/PERM/DEVICE=UNKNOWN -s,     /NOBROAD/UPPERCASE/NOWRAP/FORM/WIDTH=1322  $ SET DEVICE TNA2: /SPOOLED=(SYSPRINT2, SYS$DISK)$  %SET-E-NOTSET, error modifying TNA29  -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested operationh	  ==end===m $>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:52:49 +0000.& From: Dave <DRichardson@interbaun.com># Subject: Re: Spooling TELNET devicet- Message-ID: <3A96BF91.5116FF80@interbaun.com>t   KA2DOUG wrote: > H > Is there a trick to setting a TNA device spooled or is it not allowed?E > I have found nothing in any of the manuals that discusses this (buteF > I did only search the on-line docs for a couple of hours, so I might > have missed it:-)o > C > Our Problem: We use many programs that open the printer and write E > directly to it. We have been creating LTA devices for our LAT awareoD > servers and they work fine whether spooled or not. Now, we need toA > print to a device that doesn't have LAT and we need it spooled.. > D > If we leave the TNA device nospooled the programs print to it justA > fine, and everything works exactly like the LTA did, so we know ! > the TNA session is functioning.a > O > We can create a queue using /PROC=UCX$TELNETSYM /ON="10.40.40.201:3002"   ande$ > queue things to the printer, so weC > know that much is working, but that doesn't give us a device name " > to print to. (see example below) > H > Is there some other way to do this? Any help will be much appreciated. >  >  -Doug Phillipsa >   Kirby Associates, Inc. >  ===start=== >  UCX> SHOW VERSION > : >   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.24 >   on a AlphaServer 1000 4/266 running OpenVMS V6.2 >  $/ >  $ TELNET /CREATE_SESSION 10.40.40.201 3002 2e+ >  %TELNET-S-CRSES, Session created on TNA2 # >  $ SET PROT=(W:RWLP)/DEVICE TNA2:t) >  $ SET TERM TNA2:/PERM/DEVICE=UNKNOWN - . >     /NOBROAD/UPPERCASE/NOWRAP/FORM/WIDTH=1324 >  $ SET DEVICE TNA2: /SPOOLED=(SYSPRINT2, SYS$DISK)& >  %SET-E-NOTSET, error modifying TNA2; >  -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested operation  >  ==end===  > $     G I just tryed to create a LTA device queued to a print que that uses thegH LRA0: device and the default print symbiont.  It worked.  Why not simply6 point the spooled LAT devices to the telnetsym queues?   Dave.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:19:44 -0500c* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com># Subject: Re: Spooling TELNET device<+ Message-ID: <3A973660.A52C4088@rtfmcsi.com>d   Dave wrote:C   > KA2DOUG wrote: > >pJ > > Is there a trick to setting a TNA device spooled or is it not allowed?G > > I have found nothing in any of the manuals that discusses this (butyH > > I did only search the on-line docs for a couple of hours, so I might > > have missed it:-)p > >lE > > Our Problem: We use many programs that open the printer and writeeG > > directly to it. We have been creating LTA devices for our LAT awarewF > > servers and they work fine whether spooled or not. Now, we need toC > > print to a device that doesn't have LAT and we need it spooled.  > >SF > > If we leave the TNA device nospooled the programs print to it justC > > fine, and everything works exactly like the LTA did, so we knowr# > > the TNA session is functioning.p > >tQ > > We can create a queue using /PROC=UCX$TELNETSYM /ON="10.40.40.201:3002"   andt& > > queue things to the printer, so weE > > know that much is working, but that doesn't give us a device namen$ > > to print to. (see example below) > >dJ > > Is there some other way to do this? Any help will be much appreciated. > >  > >  -Doug Phillips  > >   Kirby Associates, Inc. > >  ===start=== > >  UCX> SHOW VERSION > >e< > >   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.26 > >   on a AlphaServer 1000 4/266 running OpenVMS V6.2 > >  $1 > >  $ TELNET /CREATE_SESSION 10.40.40.201 3002 2:- > >  %TELNET-S-CRSES, Session created on TNA2=% > >  $ SET PROT=(W:RWLP)/DEVICE TNA2:=+ > >  $ SET TERM TNA2:/PERM/DEVICE=UNKNOWN -t0 > >     /NOBROAD/UPPERCASE/NOWRAP/FORM/WIDTH=1326 > >  $ SET DEVICE TNA2: /SPOOLED=(SYSPRINT2, SYS$DISK)( > >  %SET-E-NOTSET, error modifying TNA2= > >  -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested operation=
 > >  ==end==== > > $= >=I > I just tryed to create a LTA device queued to a print que that uses thenJ > LRA0: device and the default print symbiont.  It worked.  Why not simply8 > point the spooled LAT devices to the telnetsym queues? >> > Dave.:  R This method works just fine.  Create LTAnnnn: devices but don't bother to actuallyR assign a server/port/service to the devices.  Once the devices are created you canP simply spool them to existing UCX telnet print queues.  I've used this method toO allow an application based on InterSystems Mumps [ISM from IDX] to print to oursK TCP/IP print queues even though Mumps could only write to terminal devices.n     -- Chuck Choppc  8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager7                                   8007740718@skytel.come   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Feb 2001 06:19:26 GMT From: ka2doug@cs.com (KA2DOUG)# Subject: Re: Spooling TELNET deviceg> Message-ID: <20010224011926.02482.00000167@ng-fs1.news.cs.com>  J >This method works just fine.  Create LTAnnnn: devices but don't bother to	 >actually K >assign a server/port/service to the devices.  Once the devices are createdf >you canN >simply spool them to existing UCX telnet print queues.  I've used this method >toiL >allow an application based on InterSystems Mumps [ISM from IDX] to print to >ourL >TCP/IP print queues even though Mumps could only write to terminal devices. >d  M I guess I don't understand. Could you provide an example?  How do you connectsM the LTA port to the TELNET port on the print server? Which device do you "set6L /spooled"? Which device does the queue "init /on"? I'd *really* appreciate aJ reference to the documentation, or an example of the LATCP and DCL code to accomplish this.   Thanks for the response.    -Doug   > KA2DOUG wrote: > > J > > Is there a trick to setting a TNA device spooled or is it not allowed?G > > I have found nothing in any of the manuals that discusses this (but H > > I did only search the on-line docs for a couple of hours, so I might > > have missed it:-)  > >eE > > Our Problem: We use many programs that open the printer and write G > > directly to it. We have been creating LTA devices for our LAT aware F > > servers and they work fine whether spooled or not. Now, we need toC > > print to a device that doesn't have LAT and we need it spooled.< > >3F > > If we leave the TNA device nospooled the programs print to it justC > > fine, and everything works exactly like the LTA did, so we knowk# > > the TNA session is functioning.e > > M > > We can create a queue using /PROC=UCX$TELNETSYM /ON="10.40.40.201:3002"  d ando& > > queue things to the printer, so weE > > know that much is working, but that doesn't give us a device names$ > > to print to. (see example below) > >iJ > > Is there some other way to do this? Any help will be much appreciated. > >A > >  -Doug PhillipsG > >   Kirby Associates, Inc. > >  ===start=== > >  UCX> SHOW VERSION > >R< > >   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.26 > >   on a AlphaServer 1000 4/266 running OpenVMS V6.2 > >  $1 > >  $ TELNET /CREATE_SESSION 10.40.40.201 3002 2c- > >  %TELNET-S-CRSES, Session created on TNA2 % > >  $ SET PROT=(W:RWLP)/DEVICE TNA2: + > >  $ SET TERM TNA2:/PERM/DEVICE=UNKNOWN -e0 > >     /NOBROAD/UPPERCASE/NOWRAP/FORM/WIDTH=1326 > >  $ SET DEVICE TNA2: /SPOOLED=(SYSPRINT2, SYS$DISK)( > >  %SET-E-NOTSET, error modifying TNA2= > >  -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested operationh
 > >  ==end===n   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Feb 2001 20:37:46 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)g  Subject: Re: Umbrellas in the UK+ Message-ID: <976hmq$3kp$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>   & In article <3A929013.77A89D9B@gmx.ch>,/  Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:i |> Alan Greig wrote: |> >   |> > It's arrived folks, |> >  J |> > I now have my ultra reliable OpenVMS umbrella. The leaflet says "LikeC |> > this trusty umbrella, OpenVMS has withstood the test of time, r |> sI |> Not very original. I have a mug which says "PDP-11 withstands the test  |> of time".  E Might not be original, but in the case of the PDP-11 it sure is true.C   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:59:47 -0330e" From: "Paul Brett" <pbrett@mun.ca>( Subject: vms 5.5 on vax 4000-200 problem- Message-ID: <975s3m$677$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>D  E Have the above mentioned system laying mothballed for 5 years.... washI recently asked to finally decommission it..... as you will see below I ambL not a VMS administrator by any means but it is my job to power this beast upC and get the relevant info from the data tapes associated with it...r  J Oh it was used to power an Image analysis system here several years ago...  E Well I managed to get it powered up and break the system password....,L I started to restore the datatapes and ftp the files to my PC where I burned
 them on CD...t  B I then made a big mistake... I deleted all the files in the sysmgr
 directory....t  H Now my system does nothing.... and from what I can  see I have no system backup.....s     What can I do....s  7 I just need the tape drive mounted and ftp working.....b   any help would be appreciatedt   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:41:54 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) . Subject: Re: WKU FILESERV: Updated GZIP-1-2-4B0 Message-ID: <3a96d849.62518496@swen.process.com>  K On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:39:15 GMT, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> wrote:   > >In comp.os.vms Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote:B >> So the answer is no, personal satisfaction is probably the only >> real reason for doing so. >eN >  I like to have the sources around in case I need to re-compile and/or port.L >I have a bunch of really, really old freeware stuff (it was old when we in-K >stalled it on VAX/VMS 4.4) which is now running on Alpha 7.2-1. Some of itIL >could only be ported by VESTing (different compilers, unavailable language,N >etc.) and some needed to be recompiled (either for performance or because the >images weren't VESTable). >FK Yeah, my statement was a little broad.  In general, it's probably true, but:& there are always reasons for doing so.  K And one of the main reasons I started supplying binaries in the first placeTL lo those many years ago is that back then, not everyone had a C compiler, or2 a BLISS compiler, or whatever compiler was needed.  K Most things these days are written in C, and most everyone has a C compiler K now, so rebuilding things from source is something more people are inclinedG to do now because they can.p  I In any case, the point is that I make both sources and binaries available I to satisfy both groups of people: those who want to rebuild and those whos don't.     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:56:58 GMTr- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)j4 Subject: WKU FILESERV: Updated MMK, plus WASD mirror0 Message-ID: <3a96dab6.63139229@swen.process.com>  9 The following package has been updated on ftp.wku.edu andh its mirrors:      o MMK  (Updated)e  ; 	MMK V3.9 is Matt Madison's MMS clone that has features MMSn> 	doesn't support.  This version includes a couple of bug fixes? 	and enhancements to make it work more like UNIX make programs.-9 	Written by Matt Madison, MMK runs on both VAX and Alpha.n  B Also, WKU is now hosting a mirror site for Mark Daniel's WASD HTTP< server (and friends) for VMS.  You can find the mirror here:   ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/wasd/o' ftp://ftp.tmk.com/ftp-wku-edu/vms/wasd/c  ) You can find MMK using one of these URLs:    http://www2.wku.edu/fileserv/9  & ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/mmk.zip. ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/mmk.zip7 http://www.tmk.com/ftp/ftp-wku-edu/vms/fileserv/mmk.zipe2 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/ftp-wku-edu/vms/fileserv/mmk.zip  5 These mirrors should be updated in the next 24 hours:   E           ftp.vms.stacken.kth.se, under [.MIRRORS.WKU.VMS.FILESERV]. r8           ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se, under [.WKU.VMS.FILESERV].            ftp.riken.go.jp :           ftp.vsm.com.au, under kits and kits/decwindows. :           www.vsm.com.au/ftp/, via the WWW instead of FTP.     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/t9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.109 ************************