1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 25 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 111       Contents:  Re: 1.2 GHz Alpha MicroprocessorA Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?  Re: CLuster coms with HSGs Re: CLuster coms with HSGs. Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing). Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing). Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing)* DCL_CHECK on sys$manager:net$configure.com Re: GCC  Re: Lots of Microfiche's found! 7 Re: Need to get new mail count ? with a pipe expression 7 Re: Need to get new mail count ? with a pipe expression ' Re: QUESTION: BZIP2 For OpenVMS Anyone? 0 Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop' Re: Spooling TELNET device Re: Starting from scratch. Re: Starting from scratch.  Re: TPU SORT procedure requested  Re: TPU SORT procedure requested Re: Variables in DCL, Re: [Fwd: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize!]  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:58:32 GMT & From: "Rick Cadruvi" <rick@rdperf.com>) Subject: Re: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor 9 Message-ID: <s0Xl6.973$7n1.242238@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>   G I have to agree with Terry on this.  I am as much a VMS snob as anyone, D but when I was doing presentations years ago for DECUS and the like,C I used a MAC with Powerpoint or Aldus Presentation software.  Today   I would use a PC and Powerpoint.  F VMS won't do everything because it doesn't have enough usable softwareB for things like this.  Sure I could use DECWrite or DECDocument orE some other software that is WAY overpriced, with NOT enough features, H that requires WAY too much time to learn and use, to do most everything.G Why would I?  My time is worth more than that.  I use Pagemaker as well K for doing stuff that it does well.  I use PowerBooks on my Win2K system for  keeping my books.   C I do my email mostly with Outlook and my Web Browsing with Internet 	 Explorer. L Why?  VMS doesn't easily support Email attachments and the Netscape versionsE for VMS are CRAP (in fact, since V4.6, NETSCAPE has been too buggy in 	 general). L I would rather use other stuff, but it isn't standardized and isn't as good. I wish this  wasn't true. BUT IT IS!!!   K I only wish lots of good usable software was available at reasonable prices  for K VMS.  However, it ISN'T!!!  I would much rather support VMS and VMS vendors K than Mirosoft and the mentallity that is pervasive in PC software that says  it only sortJ of has to work.  Most VMS software works 99.9% of the time. On the PC it's moreG like 80%.  I'm not happy with that, but 80% or something is better than  99.9% of nothing.   H The reason we find ourselves defending VMS is that DEC management was SO stupid that G they were more concerned about profit margins for small quantities than  realizing that smallerI margins on LOTS was where the industry was going.  VMS had it's chance in 	 the early 7 80s before Cutler and gang left DEC West for Microsoft.   D Like it or not, DEC screwed up the potential for VMS, NOT Microsoft.   just my opinion,   Rick Cadruvi...   ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 6 news:yc_k6.8455$CW1.6368646@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > B > "Jeff Coffield" <Jeffrey@DigitalSynergyInc.com> wrote in message1 > news:3A8DC613.AE3F939B@DigitalSynergyInc.com...  > > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > >  > > > J > > >   "1.2GHz Alpha Microprocessor with 44.8GB/sec of chip pin bandwidth > > > H > > >   A presentation from the Alpha Development Group, Compaq Computer5 > > >   Corporation, Shrewsbury, MA & Palo Alto, CA."  > > >  > > >   Available via: > > > < > > >   http://www.alphapowered.com/alpha_tech_presents.html > > > 0 > > >  --------------------------- pure personal% > opinion --------------------------- 5 > > >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com > > D > > A presentaion on a new Alpha processor in a Microsoft PowerPoint > presentation?  > > Does anyone at > > Compaq have a clue?  > >  > C > What would you have them build the presentation with? DECwrite???  > K > Seriously, I ran into Bill Joy at a Sun analyst briefing three years ago.  HeH > was running Windoze and MS-Apps on his notebook. Chances are good he's using B > Solaris for Intel and StarOffice today, but he was in fact using' > MS-Bloatware when I chatted with him.  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2001 20:30:12 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) J Subject: Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?3 Message-ID: <OQ2G0SFe$s6a@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <976uoj$kkq@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: f > In article <rQBl6.4282$v4.187763@ozemail.com.au>, "Dave Gaukroger" <bangalla@ozemail.com.au> writes:  N >>I work as a Field Engineer for Compaq in Australia and a lot of the sites weL >>have on contract are using Vax 4000's and Alpha 2100's for different roles >>throughout their operations. >  > That's pretty old equipment!  C The Indiana Toll Road upgraded from PDP-11 to Alpha, not because of @ performance but to run something for which spare parts were more@ readily available.  It's not like they could raise the bandwidth3 of the road just by applying more compute power :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2001 02:31:30 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Re: CLuster coms with HSGs - Message-ID: <87zofc3pbx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   & Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes:  B > Instead of keeping the CI, why not go to gig ethernet so you canD > pull all the CI cables out of the raised floor and scrap your star& > coupler to free up some real estate?  ? Cause you burn CPU with every byte, and if your switch fails or E saturates, your cluster is screwed. You do mean have a GE for cluster  trafic and NOTHING else?  B > Plus, those CIPCAs are still worth something on the used market.  D Nah, they are old junk. If you ask nicely, I'll let you post them to me ;)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:30:12 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com># Subject: Re: CLuster coms with HSGs & Message-ID: <3A9843EB.60207@wi.rr.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:   $ > Cause you burn CPU with every byte  
 Reeeeally?   > , and if your switch fails or % > saturates, your cluster is screwed.    Saturates?  How?  $ >  You do mean have a GE for cluster > trafic and NOTHING else?  J Why not?  It's got to be cheaper to buy a gig enet card for an AlphaServer than to use CIPCAs.    -s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:19:05 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 7 Subject: Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing) - Message-ID: <3A985D89.27750A1E@earthlink.net>    Bill Todd wrote: > B > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message) > news:3A972976.63ADED36@earthlink.net... 
 > > [snip]8 > > Ah. So, you're talking about the difference between: > > > > > o 00:00:00.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000	 > >   and > > >   00:00:00.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 > N > Not really:  I'm talking about the difference between 'before', 'after', andJ > 'simultaneously', which are qualitative rather than quantitative issues./ > And there's no particular reason to feel that I > 00:00:00.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 has any closer  > relationship to ? > 00:00:00.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 than G > 23:59:59.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 has, so even > > quantitatively the relevance of your comparisons is unclear.  G Well, since meridians are "imaginary" lines, what width shall we assign E to them? ...and how many of what unit(s) of time elapse while the sun  "crosses" them?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:36:07 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 7 Subject: Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing) - Message-ID: <3A986187.5DECD097@earthlink.net>    Bill Todd wrote: > B > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message) > news:3A972739.75A3E3A3@earthlink.net...  >  > ...  > L > > Well, yes it does; however, it assumes knowledge of the direction of theH > > earth's rotation and knowledge of whether local time is based on theC > > sun's orientation in relation to the meridian which lies in the J > > direction of the earth's rotation, or counter to the earth's rotation. > > ) > > Perhaps therein lies the problem, no?  > L > Exactly:  knowledge of Latin is not sufficient.  Which was my point when I > said > M > > > > My vague recollection of Latin is that such knowledge does not answer  > > the  > > > > question.   A By that measure, then, knowledge of reading (as in how-to) is not D sufficient for learning, since any given piece of literature assumes? that the reader possesses a sufficiently powerful vocabulary to  understand the content.   F Similarly, the concept of time itself assumes acceptance and knowledgeD of the idea that "time" is itself an expression of a rate of change.? Without that acceptance and knowledge, the concept of "time" is  meaningless, in any language.   8 ...which seems to raise the question: what's your point?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:24:08 -0500 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> 7 Subject: Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing) ( Message-ID: <97a84m$ns0$1@pyrite.mv.net>  @ David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:3A986187.5DECD097@earthlink.net...  > Bill Todd wrote: > > D > > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message+ > > news:3A972739.75A3E3A3@earthlink.net...  > >  > > ...  > > J > > > Well, yes it does; however, it assumes knowledge of the direction of the J > > > earth's rotation and knowledge of whether local time is based on theE > > > sun's orientation in relation to the meridian which lies in the L > > > direction of the earth's rotation, or counter to the earth's rotation. > > > + > > > Perhaps therein lies the problem, no?  > > L > > Exactly:  knowledge of Latin is not sufficient.  Which was my point when I  > > said > > H > > > > > My vague recollection of Latin is that such knowledge does not answer	 > > > the  > > > > > question.  > C > By that measure, then, knowledge of reading (as in how-to) is not F > sufficient for learning, since any given piece of literature assumesA > that the reader possesses a sufficiently powerful vocabulary to  > understand the content.  > H > Similarly, the concept of time itself assumes acceptance and knowledgeF > of the idea that "time" is itself an expression of a rate of change.A > Without that acceptance and knowledge, the concept of "time" is  > meaningless, in any language.  > : > ...which seems to raise the question: what's your point?  G I guess that you're still an idiot who seems to delight in spewing away H without bothering to evaluate whether he's anywhere near the issue under- discussion.  And still a waste of time.  Bye.    - bill   >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:07:22 GMT , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>3 Subject: DCL_CHECK on sys$manager:net$configure.com & Message-ID: <3A98149A.B321104F@gmx.ch>  K I have run DCL_CHECK V2.0-0A against net$configure.com OpenVMS 7.2-1 Alpha.  This is a summary.# Who said the DCL parser was severe?   & Procedure contains:  11303 total linesF                      10642 code lines (including 10 lines w/ comments)8                        489 additional continuation lines5                          0 lines w/i $DECK/$EOD pairs -                          1 comment only lines &                        171 blank lines5               Total of 896 errors and warnings found.   ' Among them, there are some significant:   E (mainly a IF THEN on two lines without ENDIF and without continuation 
 character)  '  1636  INT  IF statement not terminated '  2306  INT  IF statement not terminated '  2355  INT  IF statement not terminated '  2357  INT  IF statement not terminated '  2359  INT  IF statement not terminated '  2361  INT  IF statement not terminated '  2363  INT  IF statement not terminated   > (here, a missing dot after the operator doesn't hurt DCL much)  '    24  ICO  invalid comparison operator '   420  ICO  invalid comparison operator '   485  ICO  invalid comparison operator '   522  ICO  invalid comparison operator '   540  ICO  invalid comparison operator '   892  ICO  invalid comparison operator '  1517  ICO  invalid comparison operator '  2162  ICO  invalid comparison operator '  3047  ICO  invalid comparison operator '  3602  ICO  invalid comparison operator '  3612  ICO  invalid comparison operator '  3622  ICO  invalid comparison operator '  3650  ICO  invalid comparison operator '  3697  ICO  invalid comparison operator '  6791  ICO  invalid comparison operator '  6887  ICO  invalid comparison operator ' 10350  ICO  invalid comparison operator ' 10353  ICO  invalid comparison operator ' 10452  ICO  invalid comparison operator   M (and here, an enclosed character string doesn't actually have to be enclosed)   (    12  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")(    13  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")(  1228  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")(  1674  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")(  1679  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")(  1787  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")(  3577  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")  C DCL_CHECK is here: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/DCL_CHECK  FYI. D.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2001 16:56:56 -0500/ From: jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu (Jerome LAURET)  Subject: Re: GCC. Message-ID: <3a982e28_3@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu>  V In article <3a94267a$1_1@news.pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes:K |>Is there a version of Gnu-C for Vax/VMS out there later than 1.42? If so, 7 |>where might I find it? How good are the header files?  |> |>TIA! |>--   |>Mike Freeman < K 7 U I J > |>  T      My VAX GCC is at version 2.1.0 , my Alpha one at 2.8.0 ... BTW : the available U VAX version is not worth anything (interaction with VMS specific things is relatively  bad).        --  6                   Jerome LAURET S.U.N.Y. @ Stony Brook$        ,,,,,      Dept. of Chemistry+       ( o o )     Stony Brook NY 11794-3400 ;   ---m---U---m--------------------------------------------- &   E-mail: jlauret@mail.chem.sunysb.edu<   URL   : http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/jlauret/jlauret.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:44:51 +0000 2 From: Chris Doran <donotreply@interbulletin.bogus>( Subject: Re: Lots of Microfiche's found!1 Message-ID: <3A982B53.1DDFC82C@interbulletin.com>1  > Arthur Krewat <krewat@bartek.dontspamme.net> wrote in article , <3A96EC1E.559350D2@bartek.dontspamme.net> :  >...< >Were the TU58's some sort of serial that could be read by a: >normal UART - Current loop or RS-232? I recall this being6 >said. I could read all my TU58's for the '750 easily.   Yes, they use RS-232 and "Radial Serial Protocol" which is quite easily implemented. It's described in the TU58 manual (sorry my copy is buried inaccessibly at the moment).   Chrise/ _______________________________________________U; Submitted via WebNewsReader of http://www.interbulletin.comt   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2001 16:40:00 -0500/ From: jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu (Jerome LAURET)T@ Subject: Re: Need to get new mail count ? with a pipe expression. Message-ID: <3a982a30_3@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu>  e In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-oPzzd09LnOo9@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes:08 |>On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:35:31, "Jean-Franois Marchal" ) |><jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:  |>$ |>> "Jean-Franois Marchal" wrote:> N |>> I do not think it would be usefull because of a clear screen which is done |>> just after login,I0 |>> so the user has no time to read the line ... |>G |>ARRRGGGHHH!!!! One of may all time pet peeves. I've never understood  E |>the mentality of people who think it is a 'good' idea to clear the tG |>screen of any useful information, i.e. filenames, error and/or help    |>messages.  |>> |>Still, each to his own I suppose but you'll still hear that  |>AAAARRRGGGHHH! from me :-) |> |>Cheers - Dave. |>  V    Not sure what that thread was about (I haven't been visitin gthe list fro some timeV  now) but there is a utility to count Email called NEWMAIL with an awesome /SAVE_COUNT3  qualifier. You can use it in something like this :t  $ NEWMAIL/SAVE_COUNT/NOOUTPUT:  $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "You have ''NEWMAIL$COUNT' new Emails"    &   or extra finess on testing the value      $ IF NEWMAIL$COUNT.eq.0'  $ THEN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "No new Email"y  $ ELSE ...)  
    etc ...    4  I can recover this software for you if you need it.  Q  Yet another software I haven't tested may be MAILCOUNT. But I have no experience 
  in that one.a  ;  Let me know if you need NEWMAIL utility and/or executable.   o -- u6                   Jerome LAURET S.U.N.Y. @ Stony Brook$        ,,,,,      Dept. of Chemistry+       ( o o )     Stony Brook NY 11794-3400t;   ---m---U---m--------------------------------------------- &   E-mail: jlauret@mail.chem.sunysb.edu<   URL   : http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/jlauret/jlauret.html   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2001 16:51:35 -0500/ From: jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu (Jerome LAURET)a@ Subject: Re: Need to get new mail count ? with a pipe expression. Message-ID: <3a982ce7_3@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu>  o In article <973s68$ivr$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>, "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> writes:r |>Bonjour  tous.p |>? |>I need to notify users of the presence of new mails at login,d< |>but the standard english new mail message is not suitable.: |>(need a french one, to be displayed after a clear screen& |>has been executed in a common login) |>% |>I've already written something like  |> |>$ define/user tmp.tmpt |>$ mail |>show new_mail_countf |>$ open/read TMP tmp.tmp  |>$ read TMP RECORD  |>...o |> |>So I can get the value.p |>E |>I tried to build the same solution within a pipe and a job logical,uE |>but didnt succeed, because there seems to be no solution to display.% |>the output from a one line command.  |> |>any idea would be welcome ...o |> |>Cordialement |>Jean-Franois Marchal- |> |> |> |>    M    Now I know that what you need is definitly the NEWMAIL utility ... You canhC find it at http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/NEWMAIL/ . Enjoy.          -- n6                   Jerome LAURET S.U.N.Y. @ Stony Brook$        ,,,,,      Dept. of Chemistry+       ( o o )     Stony Brook NY 11794-3400w;   ---m---U---m--------------------------------------------- &   E-mail: jlauret@mail.chem.sunysb.edu<   URL   : http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/jlauret/jlauret.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:53:29 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 0 Subject: Re: QUESTION: BZIP2 For OpenVMS Anyone?- Message-ID: <3A986599.2D590B46@earthlink.net>e   Robert Alan Byer wrote:0 > 
 > Question...i > 4 > Has anyone looked at the porting BZIP2 to OpenVMS? > 4 > (The "offical" WWW page with source for this is atF > http://sources.redhat.com/bzip2/index.html if anyone is interested.) > K > I've been seeing this format more and more lately in software developmentsE > and was interested in knowing if anyone has a OpenVMS version since"L > unpacking files on a PC and then transfering them is getting to be a pain. > 	 > Thanks.d  G I thought I'd seen bzip2 for OpenVMS somewhere. Like most UN*X portees,1F it's likely to not support RMS. So, after unpacking an archive, you'llF likely need to make your own decision(s) on how to SET FILE/ATTRIBUTESE for each file you unpack. Even a ".tbz" (.tar_bz) archive could stillpF present this problem, since the source system was likely not one which
 supports RMS.e   -- u David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:21:03 -0300r) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra9 Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'sL Message-ID: <OF5876F951.ACBD5F93-ON032569FC.003E241B@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   OpenVMS in desktop ?   Does it support:  
 - FireWire - DVDl - CD-RWe - USBo - Citrix client 
 - Star OfficeR -  What more ?     Regards    FC        @ Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> em 23/02/2001 07:52:29             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       5 Assunto: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop't     >h> > Ok, if we swallow the line that VMS is not for the desk top, > then what is?M >   H Depending on whose desktop: Linux, Windoze, Tru64, Apple, an Xterm, or a VDU.  F Quit bitching. VMS lost the desktop wars at least a decade ago. In anyK case, is sticking all the horsepower out on the desks really a sensible way  to go?  E Methinks not, sooner or later (in)security is going to bite Microsoft @ **really** hard. How long before one of these mail virii doesn'tD muck about being subtle, just e-mails as many copies of itself as itG can and then wipes the hard disk or the system's BIOS? Call it the Foot1I and Mouth e-virus, maybe? (BTW given our economic dependance on MS stuff,u= this is at least as scary as the real foot annd mouth virus).-  9 In my dreams ... a world where everyone from a 6-employee K company up to MegaCorp has machine room(s) containing VMSclusters connected3H to desktop systems whose main purpose was displaying the results of apps running on the VMS.         Yours,            Nigel Arnot0"           NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK  ?           "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."0   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:17:25 GMTb+ From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com>c# Subject: Re: Spooling TELNET devicea+ Message-ID: <3A982D8A.164101F4@ins-msi.com>s   Chuck Chopp wrote: >  > KA2DOUG wrote: > N > > >This method works just fine.  Create LTAnnnn: devices but don't bother to
 > > >actually0O > > >assign a server/port/service to the devices.  Once the devices are created9 > > >you canR > > >simply spool them to existing UCX telnet print queues.  I've used this method > > >toeP > > >allow an application based on InterSystems Mumps [ISM from IDX] to print to > > >ourP > > >TCP/IP print queues even though Mumps could only write to terminal devices. > > >  > >yQ > > I guess I don't understand. Could you provide an example?  How do you connectgQ > > the LTA port to the TELNET port on the print server? Which device do you "setpP > > /spooled"? Which device does the queue "init /on"? I'd *really* appreciate aN > > reference to the documentation, or an example of the LATCP and DCL code to > > accomplish this. > >, > > Thanks for the response. > >-
 > >  -Doug > >- > > > KA2DOUG wrote: > > > >0N > > > > Is there a trick to setting a TNA device spooled or is it not allowed?K > > > > I have found nothing in any of the manuals that discusses this (but.L > > > > I did only search the on-line docs for a couple of hours, so I might > > > > have missed it:-)  > > > >eI > > > > Our Problem: We use many programs that open the printer and write K > > > > directly to it. We have been creating LTA devices for our LAT awareoJ > > > > servers and they work fine whether spooled or not. Now, we need toG > > > > print to a device that doesn't have LAT and we need it spooled.e > > > >rJ > > > > If we leave the TNA device nospooled the programs print to it justG > > > > fine, and everything works exactly like the LTA did, so we know ' > > > > the TNA session is functioning.  > > > >vO > > > > We can create a queue using /PROC=UCX$TELNETSYM /ON="10.40.40.201:3002"  > > andi* > > > > queue things to the printer, so weI > > > > know that much is working, but that doesn't give us a device namee( > > > > to print to. (see example below) > > > > N > > > > Is there some other way to do this? Any help will be much appreciated. > > > >t > > > >  -Doug Phillipsc  > > > >   Kirby Associates, Inc. > > > >  ===start=== > > > >  UCX> SHOW VERSION > > > > @ > > > >   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2: > > > >   on a AlphaServer 1000 4/266 running OpenVMS V6.2
 > > > >  $5 > > > >  $ TELNET /CREATE_SESSION 10.40.40.201 3002 2 1 > > > >  %TELNET-S-CRSES, Session created on TNA2r) > > > >  $ SET PROT=(W:RWLP)/DEVICE TNA2: / > > > >  $ SET TERM TNA2:/PERM/DEVICE=UNKNOWN -O4 > > > >     /NOBROAD/UPPERCASE/NOWRAP/FORM/WIDTH=132: > > > >  $ SET DEVICE TNA2: /SPOOLED=(SYSPRINT2, SYS$DISK), > > > >  %SET-E-NOTSET, error modifying TNA2A > > > >  -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested operationy > > > >  ==end===- > Q > You don't have to connect the LTAnnnn: device to a telnet port.  What you do isdL > create your TCP/IP as usual using UCX$TELNETSMB.EXE as the print symbiont. > N > $ INIT/QUEUE/START TCPQUEUE1/ON="192.168.0.100:9100"/PROCESSOR=UCX$TELNETSMB > $i" > $ MCR LATCP CREATE PORT LTA5000: > $D) > $ SET DEVICE/SPOOLED=TCPQUEUE1 LTA5000:: >   M Don't forget the /LOGICAL switch in LATCP's CREATE PORT command. Two benefitssM in using it: 1) you (and your code) don't have to remember arbitrary LTAxxxx:dN device numbers, and 2) the logical name can be meaningful, e.g. FREDS_PRINTER.  I     MCR LATCP CREATE PORT /LOGICAL=(NAME:UNIQUE_NAME_FOR_TARGET_DEVICE, -t%         TABLE=SYSTEM, MODE=EXECUTIVE)i  .     SET DEVICE/SPOOLED=TCPQUEUE1 FREDS_PRINTER   Much easier to maintain.  R > Any time that a program opens a channel to a terminal device and writes data outT > to it while that device is spooled to a print queue will result in the output dataP > being saved in a temporary file on disk instead of actually being sent out theR > terminal line.  When the channel to the terminal device is closed, the operatingO > system will also close the temporary file and submit it to the print queue touO > which the terminal device is spooled.  In the case of a LTAnnnn: device, this N > means that no LAT connection is established so you don't have to worry aboutH > setting the LTAnnnn: device to point to a valid server & port/service. > S > Does this make sense to you now?  Its not obvious that it should work but it does  > work very well.n >  > --
 > Chuck Choppi > : > ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com2 >                                   ICQ # 22321532B > RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail4 > 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax6 > Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager9 >                                   8007740718@skytel.comi   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2001 02:39:15 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Re: Starting from scratch.i- Message-ID: <87vgq03oz0.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  2 "Dave Gaukroger" <bangalla@ozemail.com.au> writes:  	 > Hi All,e  A > I've just "inherited" a VAXStation 4000 VLC and I'm looking for / > advice on what would be an appropriate setup.-  C > I haven't even fired it up yet as I'm still collecting a few bitsiA > and pieces (VTs, CD-ROM etc). I believe that it is standard andrD > running VMS 5.5. It also has an expansion box with a 2.1 and a 4.3F > GB SBB. I don't have a VDU yet so console access will be the primary > interface for some time.  B > I'd like the machine to run ftp, http, mail and the like. I'm anC > utter newbie to VMS as my University was a DEC Unix site and I've C > been drowning in the M$ world at work. A few sites we support use ! > VMS and it really intrigues me.   F > Will this machine run v7.2 as supplied in the hobbyist kit or shouldF > I leave the box as is and try to clean out the applications etc thatC > it ran in its previous life? Should I be looking to add some moren= > ram to the system? Is there a list of compatible components # > (especially monitors) on the web?2  D > I've been searching on-line for a few days for info on the VLC butC > it appears to be a bit unloved, it doesn't even rate a mention onaD > the Compaq site though the /60 /90 and /96 all get a moment in theB > sun. Even Compaq/DEC MDS doesn't have a user guide or an optionsB > guide for the VLC and the /60 etc guide doesn't cover the VLC inC > detail. Is there anywhere on the web (apart from Compaq) that hasa) > the DEC user guides and service guides?i  @ > A big thanks in advance from a newbie willing to be converted.  > Get your self a few terminal cable bits, MMJ-> PC 9 pin, DB25,C and a set of ethernet xcevers for 10BaseT and 10Base2. You can then C plug it in anywhere and have LAT, DECnet, TCPIP and a coulple of GB B of disk. And you can tuck it under your arm. Sort of a intellegent	 floppy :)a   B I have not bothered to plus in a monitor on mine for about a year,4 and it often does not even have a console connected.  A They are small enough, light enough, and fast enough to be reallyo$ usefull as a hack-about utility box.   -- r< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.v@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:30:21 +1100 0 From: "Dave Gaukroger" <bangalla@ozemail.com.au># Subject: Re: Starting from scratch.71 Message-ID: <kA1m6.5367$v4.226353@ozemail.com.au>s  * Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:  A > A nice warm hello! Hope we can make you new life as comfortableb > as possible.> > Would you like to explain a little bit further what you mean& > with ftp and http? Client or server?  K A bit of each actually. Client at first, but as I become more familiar with.H VMS I'd like the VLC to take on more of a server role on a home network.  L I've now got my hands on a VT520 and bought the beast to life. It is runningK VMS 5.5-2 and has 24Mb installed so I'm practically doing cartwheels at the ! moment as it churns away happily.o  J Thanks for your info so far here and in the group in general. It's nice toL read a group where the conversations are worth reading and the people giving2 the answers really know what they're talking about   Cheers   Dave   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2001 16:24:47 -0500/ From: jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu (Jerome LAURET) ) Subject: Re: TPU SORT procedure requested . Message-ID: <3a98269f_3@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu>  X      The EVEPLUS section available at http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/help/eveplus_l.htmlxT  contains a sort routine. Try it out and let me know if it does what you want and we  will talk again.9     -- F6                   Jerome LAURET S.U.N.Y. @ Stony Brook$        ,,,,,      Dept. of Chemistry+       ( o o )     Stony Brook NY 11794-3400.;   ---m---U---m---------------------------------------------y&   E-mail: jlauret@mail.chem.sunysb.edu<   URL   : http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/jlauret/jlauret.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:10:30 GMTc, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>) Subject: Re: TPU SORT procedure requested & Message-ID: <3A983F80.5E1ECD96@gmx.ch>  N 404 in http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/help/eveplus_l.htmlx ta sort routine, mon pote. :-) tu l'as mise o...?    D.   Jerome LAURET wrote: > Z >      The EVEPLUS section available at http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/help/eveplus_l.htmlx >  contains a sort routine.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:14:40 GMT> From: "Fatz" <fatz@fatz.com> Subject: Re: Variables in DCLe> Message-ID: <Q7Yl6.305493$w35.50378765@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>  L > If you haven't already, get a copy of "Writing Real Programs in DCL".  TheI second edition (by the newgroups own Steve Hoffman) came out a year or soeL ago.  Even after 15 years of DCL use, I still found this to be a very useful book.u  1 Is this a rewrite of Agnostopopopopolous' volume?H   Fatz.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:59:53 GMTo, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>5 Subject: Re: [Fwd: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize!] & Message-ID: <3A9804C7.6E394FB2@gmx.ch>  M This is the very first try I did, but as I was not aware of the ";" syntax, If2 typed a bang instead and of course it didn't work.   I found that in the help:   # $ more :== TYPE/PAGE=SAVE SYS$INPUT  $ pipe sh system | morea  
 I like it.   D.   Dean Woodward wrote: > 9 > (I wrapped for readability- LINES.COM is a single line.  > 8 > -------------------->8 cut here 8<-------------------- > $ type lines.com > $O< > $ pipe search 'P1' "" /noout/log | ( read sys$input lc ; -* >   write sys$output f$element(3," ",lc) ) > $U > $ @lines login.com > 69 > $)8 > -------------------->8 cut here 8<--------------------   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.111 ************************