1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 26 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 113       Contents:! ADV: High Search Engine Placement ! ADV: High Search Engine Placement = Re: Alpha: game over.  Was Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?  Re: ARG! (was New HD on uVAX)  command line arguments Re: command line arguments Re: command line arguments Re: command line arguments Re: command line arguments. Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing). Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing) Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt1 Re: Handling of remounting of disks after a crash 1 Re: Handling of remounting of disks after a crash 1 Re: Handling of remounting of disks after a crash 2 Is anyone using an ESA12000 with quad controllers?6 RE: Is anyone using an ESA12000 with quad controllers?& Re: Machine check while in kernel mode& Re: Machine check while in kernel mode7 Re: Need to get new mail count ? with a pipe expression ) Setting time on dual-boot VMS/Unix system 0 Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'0 Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'0 Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'0 Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'0 Re: TCP/IP v5.1 is on March-2001 ConDistr CDROMs0 Re: TCP/IP v5.1 is on March-2001 ConDistr CDROMs Re: Variables in DCL# Re: vms 5.5 on vax 4000-200 problem  VMS apps wishlist  Re: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list.B VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'= Re: Where are the VMS apps? Was: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor  Re: Wide Drives on narrow shelf   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:59:08 +0800  From: mb65@asean-mail.com * Subject: ADV: High Search Engine Placement' Message-ID: <200102260559.NAA18148@pub>    Removal instructions below.   # I saw your listing on the internet.   % I work for a company that specializes # in getting clients web sites listed ! as close to the top of the major   search engines as possible.   # Our fee is only $29.95 per month to ! submit your site at least twice a ! month to over 350 search engines   and directories.  $ To get started and put your web site$ in the fast lane, call our toll free
 number below.      Mike Bender  888-532-8842    & To be removed call: 888-800-6339 X1377   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:59:10 +0800  From: mb65@asean-mail.com * Subject: ADV: High Search Engine Placement' Message-ID: <200102260559.NAA18154@pub>    Removal instructions below.   # I saw your listing on the internet.   % I work for a company that specializes # in getting clients web sites listed ! as close to the top of the major   search engines as possible.   # Our fee is only $29.95 per month to ! submit your site at least twice a ! month to over 350 search engines   and directories.  $ To get started and put your web site$ in the fast lane, call our toll free
 number below.      Mike Bender  888-532-8842    & To be removed call: 888-800-6339 X1377   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:31:56 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>F Subject: Re: Alpha: game over.  Was Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?+ Message-ID: <VA.000002cc.837e155e@sture.ch>   E In article <eZjPE0fxAzhC@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Bob Kaplow wrote: ; > From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) 3 > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.alpha L > Subject: Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?" > Date: 23 Feb 2001 14:13:41 -0500 > u > In article <TFvl6.4282$ce4.1130359@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  > > J > > "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars> wrote in message
 > > news:3 > >>N > >> While in college, I co-oped with Burroughs. About the time the B1700 came* > >> out, but I never got to work on that. > > O > > Ah yes, Burroughs... back in the mid-70's I programmed L-Series machines in B > > SL/3 and SL/5 assembler. Yet another useless skill these daze! > N > I wasn't even gonna mention them, cuz I figgured no one would know what theyK > were. And anyone who did would be too embarassed to admit it! Main memory C > was a 512 WORD disk. There were extra heads on the track with the K > accumulator. The better ones had ledger (that's what the L was for) cards N > with a mag stripe on the back. Held maybe a couple hundred bytes. Enough for5 > the header info, line number, and current ballance.  > N Wow. Mag Stripe ledger cards! I never got involved with the thing, but the oldK clankety-clank Burroughs (you needed to hear it in action to appreciate it) L which sat upstairs in my first computing job did the payroll. Apparently theL payslip print program was too large for the available memory, so they dumpedH part of it to mag stripe card, and read it in again later. That involvedM someone feeding a card into one side of the (separate and bulky)  machine for J the write operation, then taking it the other side for the read - once per= payslip. My first introduction to the concept of overlays :-)   K > It was a big deal when the new series came along with 2K of semiconductor L > RAM. We had a Cobol cross compiler that ran on the B3700 and punched paper > tape for these dinosaurs.  >   K My seniors programmed in raw machine code for certain stuff. How many folks  can do that nowadays?   D > I don't know if I'e still got anything from my days as an L-series
 > programmer.  > 4 Experience, and tales to tell your grandchildren :-)  J Fox's Biscuits and maybe Lyons ring a bell as early pioneers of commercial/ computing, using Burroughs machines, in the UK.    ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:34:47 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)& Subject: Re: ARG! (was New HD on uVAX)L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2502011434480001@user-2ivec1d.dialup.mindspring.com>  B In article <3A985AAB.E401BD5@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>, Vance Haemmerle" <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> wrote:   > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > M > >         Any third party disk drive is a crapshoot with any version of VMS  > > before V7.1!   > E >   Including V7.1!  I recently bought a Barracuda 18XL 18.2GB (model  > ST318416N)F > Seagate drive for use with OpenVMS Alpha V7.1 with the ALPSCSI05_071 > patch.D > The drive is put offline after bootup from an INVALID INQUIRY DATA
 > RECEIVEDI > error.  I saw in the VMS FAQ mention of larger drives needing V7.1-2 or  > the J > ALPSCSI07_062 patch.  ALPSCSI05_071 is still the newest patch for V7.1. G > However, I extracted SYS$DKDRIVER.EXE from the VMS712_SCSI-V0300 PCSI  > patch E > and copied it to my system and the drive is now usable.  I think an 	 > updated 4 > patch should be released for V7.1, not just 7.1-2.  I I think they've stopped patching V7.1.  You are right, there are more and E more drives that won't work with V7.1, but will work with 7.1-2.  You F should upgrade.  The CD kit costs about $20, and no licence upgrade is= required/expected.  It installs very painlessly.  Just do it.    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:21:22 -0500 . From: "John M. Miller M.D." <jmmiller@ltu.edu> Subject: command line arguments 2 Message-ID: <97c7i7$c5r$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>  B I'm pretty new at VMS.  I compiled a short C program using cc/deccH and then link.  I ran it with the run command.  I've not had any problem	 with this B before.  However, I had not tried a program that used command lineJ arguments.  I have no idea how to convince VMS the single paramenter afterL the name of the program is an argument to the program rather than to the run command.   Help please, Clueless (a.k.a. j. miller)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:29:37 -0500 . From: "John M. Miller M.D." <jmmiller@ltu.edu># Subject: Re: command line arguments 2 Message-ID: <97cbjk$qu0$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>  D > I'm pretty new at VMS.  I compiled a short C program using cc/deccJ > and then link.  I ran it with the run command.  I've not had any problem > with this D > before.  However, I had not tried a program that used command lineL > arguments.  I have no idea how to convince VMS the single paramenter afterJ > the name of the program is an argument to the program rather than to the run 
 > command. >  > Help please, > Clueless (a.k.a. j. miller) L Well, I read the manual on the compaq web site and I guess the simple answerF to my question is that you can't use RUN like that.  I made a "foreign comand" J in my login.com and that seems to work all right.  I think I'll just leave well enough alone.  j. miller  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:56:04 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> # Subject: Re: command line arguments , Message-ID: <3A99B7B4.44539D34@infopuls.com>   "John M. Miller M.D." wrote: > D > I'm pretty new at VMS.  I compiled a short C program using cc/deccJ > and then link.  I ran it with the run command.  I've not had any problem > with this D > before.  However, I had not tried a program that used command lineL > arguments.  I have no idea how to convince VMS the single paramenter afterN > the name of the program is an argument to the program rather than to the run
 > command. >  > Help please, > Clueless (a.k.a. j. miller)    There are two concepts& - run you program as a foreign command1 - establish your program as a know program to VMS   - To run a foreign command you define a symbol: - myprog = "$<device>:<directory>progname" e.g. ! myprog = "$user:[myacc.sys]hello"   = Don't forget the "$"! To execute you simple type "myprog" and = the needed parameters. This is the way the most UNIX programs : are "ported" to VMs. HELP = tells you more about assigning symbols.  = To establish your program as VMS command you have to create a @ .CLD file which follows a special syntax to descibe the possible; parameters and qualifiers of your program. The you use "SET ? COMMAND myprog.cld" to tell VMS you have a new command. This is 8 the preferred way. This is the VMS way. This way has the; advantage to outsource the duty to check the parameters and ; qualifiers of your program to VMS. Smart isn't it? HELP SET 3 COMMAND tells you more about creating VMS commands.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:15:24 -0500 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com># Subject: Re: command line arguments > Message-ID: <hshubs-9C5F5B.23152425022001@news.mindspring.com>  2 In article <97cbjk$qu0$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,0  "John M. Miller M.D." <jmmiller@ltu.edu> wrote:  M >Well, I read the manual on the compaq web site and I guess the simple answer G >to my question is that you can't use RUN like that.  I made a "foreign  >comand"K >in my login.com and that seems to work all right.  I think I'll just leave  >well enough alone.  j. miller  K You found the right answer, so you must not be as clueless as you thought.  N <grin>  Another way would be to use the CLI routines, documentation for which ( is found in the Utility Routines manual. --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:16:39 -0500 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com># Subject: Re: command line arguments > Message-ID: <hshubs-11E803.23163925022001@news.mindspring.com>  , In article <3A99B7B4.44539D34@infopuls.com>,+  Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:    >There are two concepts 	 [deleted] 2 >- establish your program as a know program to VMS  L No, that's not necessary.  A "known program" is installed using the INSTALL J utility.  Adding a command definition doesn't require the INSTALL utility. --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:27:15 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 7 Subject: Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing) - Message-ID: <3A9986C3.F014275B@earthlink.net>    Bill Todd wrote: > B > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message
 > > [snip]< > > ...which seems to raise the question: what's your point? > I > I guess that you're still an idiot who seems to delight in spewing away   A *SIGH* You disappoint me. I thought you were intelligent. I stand 
 corrected.   Bill Todd wrote further:J > without bothering to evaluate whether he's anywhere near the issue under
 > discussion.   
 ...because...   B > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message
 > > [snip]< > > ...which seems to raise the question: what's your point?  % ...which question remains unanswered.    Bill Todd concluded:# >  And still a waste of time.  Bye.   F I'll try to remember that. I was hoping we could at least continue our- "agree to disagree" relationship. Oh, well...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:29:31 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 7 Subject: Re: Dates (was Re: OpenVMS and Supercomputing) - Message-ID: <3A99874B.DBF805B3@earthlink.net>    Bill Todd wrote: > [snip]J > I do apologize to the rest of the group:  seems as if every year or so IL > forget that interacting with Dachtera is a complete waste of time, and getJ > into one of these.  Perhaps I should consider myself lucky that he's theM > only such consistently-repeating-bozo that I've met on the entire Internet; K > as I think I may have said the last time, it seems to be a combination of I > his reasonable verbal ability (that makes discussion seem superficially K > possible) with his being a few cans short of a six-pack in the analytical 
 > department.   + Likewise, Mr. Dachtera send HIS respects...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:25:53 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> ' Subject: Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt , Message-ID: <3A99A291.A7AE97FE@infopuls.com>   Paul Sture wrote:  > = > In article <3A97BCEE.9080106@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth wrote: ( > > From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms + > > Subject: Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt ' > > Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:53:20 GMT  > > L > > Yeah, I admit that I took the "free t-shirt" bait and read your message. > > D > > Using this kind of advertising in comp.os.vms is soooo childish. > > K > > I'll continue to buy my hardware from Great Lakes Computer because they   > > don't stoop to such tactics. > > J > > Just to remind y'all - the best deal on Digital/Compaq hardware can be@ > > found at Great Lakes Computer in Grand Rapids, MI.  Phone is3 > > (616) 698-1100.    On the web at www.glcomp.com  > >  > > -Scott, Happy G.L Customer > > J > > p.s.  Island charges too much for their new StorageWorks drives.  Call+ > > Great Lakes and get a much better deal.  > > J > 'Scuse me for offering a different opinion, and I've never used GL, but: > @ > Can GL export to Europe _and_ get the customs paperwork right?O > Can I pay GL by other means than a credit card? Hint - I don't have a US bank 
 > account.; > Can GL deliver to Europe within a couple of working days?  > " > Paul, Happy Islandco Customer:-) > ___s  : Happy IslandCo Customer also I have to admit that delivery? quality and responsiveness to questions is exceptionel comparedt> to most other mail order companies I used so far. I've also to? admit that I didn't try G.L. and I surely never will as long as = there isn't any reason like a very good offering and a persong? who will testify in a reasonable manner that they could deliver 2 to Europe without credit card payment requirement.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:22:49 GMTT$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>' Subject: Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirte( Message-ID: <3A99AFE2.8080307@wi.rr.com>   Christof Brass wrote:   < > Happy IslandCo Customer also I have to admit that deliveryA > quality and responsiveness to questions is exceptionel compared @ > to most other mail order companies I used so far. I've also toA > admit that I didn't try G.L. and I surely never will as long ast? > there isn't any reason like a very good offering and a personsA > who will testify in a reasonable manner that they could deliver 4 > to Europe without credit card payment requirement.  A I  am not officially speaking for G.L. but I don't think they're t interested in selling equipmentoC overseas.  They have enough buiness here in the good old USA.  You t should probablyi? stick with your current vendor if you live outside the main 48.l  F I'll check on the "overseas" thing the next time I talk with my sales  rep.  If she says I something about G.L. being interested in foreign sales, I'll report back a
 to the group.   H Sometimes it's very easy to forget that this newsgroup is frequented by  folks outside the U.S. My apologies...r   -Scott  :^)i   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2001 19:35:28 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) ' Subject: Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirti, Message-ID: <Rha3WSJNzZc4@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  ) In article <3A99AFE2.8080307@wi.rr.com>,  +      Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes:r   > C > I  am not officially speaking for G.L. but I don't think they're t! > interested in selling equipmentcE > overseas.  They have enough buiness here in the good old USA.  You   > should probablymA > stick with your current vendor if you live outside the main 48.r > ?     When I dealt with G.L. about a year ago they had no problemeF shipping stuff to Canada. I don't know if they do business with EuropeC or not, but their "contact us" web page asks what country you're in-C and provides a pretty comprehensive list of choices ( minor nit, itmE also insists you provide a state, even is you say the country is not s
 the USA ).  A    David at Islandco may not be giving away T-shirts, but you mayr> recall he was giving away Multias last year - that's got to be better than T-shirts.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:31:54 +0100o  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>' Subject: Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt + Message-ID: <VA.000002cb.837e0eae@sture.ch>   ; In article <3A99AFE2.8080307@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth wrote:e& > From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms8) > Subject: Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt-% > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:22:49 GMT- >  > Christof Brass wrote:1 > > > > Happy IslandCo Customer also I have to admit that deliveryC > > quality and responsiveness to questions is exceptionel comparedVB > > to most other mail order companies I used so far. I've also toC > > admit that I didn't try G.L. and I surely never will as long assA > > there isn't any reason like a very good offering and a personcC > > who will testify in a reasonable manner that they could delivero6 > > to Europe without credit card payment requirement. > C > I  am not officially speaking for G.L. but I don't think they're e! > interested in selling equipmentoE > overseas.  They have enough buiness here in the good old USA.  You . > should probablymA > stick with your current vendor if you live outside the main 48.r >hD I'll agree that it's a lot less hassle if you can avoid the customs I paperwork. I've forgotten just how many copies of the invoice I've seen, S# but 6 sounds like a good starter...   H > I'll check on the "overseas" thing the next time I talk with my sales  > rep.  If she saysiK > something about G.L. being interested in foreign sales, I'll report back m > to the group.  > 
 Please do.  J > Sometimes it's very easy to forget that this newsgroup is frequented by  > folks outside the U.S. > My apologies...h > K Apologies accepted, but please remember that it is sometimes very hard for nF us to do business with the US, even when the prices are substantially  better.   I At times downright impossible - I'll never forget the man who wanted $50 oE extra to ship a CD outside the US and couldn't accept a non-US style iG address. I'll refrain from getting on my soapbox about that episode ;-)p   ___y
 Paul Sture Switzerlanda   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:52:06 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n: Subject: Re: Handling of remounting of disks after a crash, Message-ID: <3A998C90.A8844A2C@videotron.ca>  , OK, I purposefully crashed my "BIKE" system.  # "VELO" froze due to loss of quorum.n  I As soon as BIKE started to send "I want to join the cluster" messages, ona> VELO, I saw the message "BIKE has aborted mount verification".  2 Once VELO regains quorum, BIKE's disk is shown as:  : Mounted, Host-not-available, mount-verification timed-out.  L (This, at a time where BIKE is up to executing SYSTARTUP_VMS and is mounting
 VELO's disks.   ) A little later on, the drive shows up as:s  . On-line, mounted, mount-verification timed out    4 Now, if I type DIR $DISK4:[000000] from VELO, I get:  ) "Volume is not software enabled" message.       M Since my workstation hasn't yet had significant number in the uptime, I don't   feel so bad about crashing it...  N Reading the doc on DISMOUNT/CLUSTER, it says that it must succesfully dismountJ on the local node before the command is propagated to the other nodes. AndN since the local node cannot dismount its own system disk, then there is no way= for BIKE to tell VELO to dismount the drive (and remount it).A  K Shouldn't DISMOUNT/CLUSTER first send the dismount command to all nodes andi then dismount locally ?i    , I just hate having to use SYSMAN to do this.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2001 19:24:38 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)A: Subject: Re: Handling of remounting of disks after a crash, Message-ID: <3ggeqvoUo4sk@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  - In article <3A998C90.A8844A2C@videotron.ca>, Q2    JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  . > OK, I purposefully crashed my "BIKE" system. > % > "VELO" froze due to loss of quorum.t >   K > As soon as BIKE started to send "I want to join the cluster" messages, on @ > VELO, I saw the message "BIKE has aborted mount verification". >   C    It's not clear why BIKE aborting mount verifications should havet0 any impact on what mounts are happening on VELO.  4 > Once VELO regains quorum, BIKE's disk is shown as: > < > Mounted, Host-not-available, mount-verification timed-out. >   E    The host should be available at that point, the fact that you have.C quorum shows the hosts can comunicate. There should only be a short C gap between getting the cluster reestablished and getting the MCSP 0 server available..  N > (This, at a time where BIKE is up to executing SYSTARTUP_VMS and is mounting > VELO's disks.a > + > A little later on, the drive shows up as:o > 0 > On-line, mounted, mount-verification timed out >   G   What are the values of the MVTIMEOUT system parameter on each system?    > P > Reading the doc on DISMOUNT/CLUSTER, it says that it must succesfully dismountL > on the local node before the command is propagated to the other nodes. AndP > since the local node cannot dismount its own system disk, then there is no way? > for BIKE to tell VELO to dismount the drive (and remount it).u > L     It should not normally be necessary to do any dismounting/remounting. AsK I mentioned earlier VELO ought to recover the mount as soon as BIKE rebootsrM (actually as soon as the MSCP server on BIKE is running, which happens prettycI early in the boot process). If this is not happening on your systems thenmI something is wrong with your configuration - it could be as simple as badmL values for MVTIMEOUT or it might be some strange network problem. BIKE isn'tK crashing with "NODE VOLUNTARILY EXITING CLUSTER" errors is it? ( this would K signify an intermittent loss of network connectivity between the 2 machines % which could cause strange problems ).e  M > Shouldn't DISMOUNT/CLUSTER first send the dismount command to all nodes andk > then dismount locally ?  >   O    Mounting/dismounting happen independantly on each node. It's perfectly legaleL for VELO to have disks from BIKE mounted locally even if they're not mountedM on BIKE. The MSCP serving happens at a level below the file system and is notj3 dependant on the served disk being mounted locally.B   > . > I just hate having to use SYSMAN to do this.  G   Nor should you, if it's not working something else is wrong with yourcE configuration and fixing that should take precedence over designing ao hack with SYSMAN.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:50:45 -0500u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s: Subject: Re: Handling of remounting of disks after a crash, Message-ID: <3A99FCB2.6CF9339A@videotron.ca>   Malcolm Dunnett wrote:I >   What are the values of the MVTIMEOUT system parameter on each system?g    N I beleive this may be the culprit. I had VELO's MVTIMEOUT at 60 seconds. DatesN back from before it was in a cluster when I wanted to be able to take off a CD5 and quickly end any Mount Verification on the device.   B I'll fix it and crash BIKE to see if VELO keeps $DKA200: properly.   Thanks for the pointer.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:01:40 GMTa$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>; Subject: Is anyone using an ESA12000 with quad controllers?c( Message-ID: <3A9964A4.6050407@wi.rr.com>   Hi:e  H Is anyone running an ESA12000 with quad controllers (two HSG80 pairs per# cabinet) connected to a VMS system?m  I I've been testing an ESA12000 (48 disks, one pair of HSG80s) connected toaL a VMS system. The HSG80s seem pretty damn fast and I find it hard to believeI that the controllers would be a bottleneck in this config.  My test setuptA is an AlphaServer 4100 with two KGPSAs (the 32-bit ones, I've got2I the 64-bit cards on order), two fc switches and the dual HSG80 (with max u	 cache) incG the ESA12000.  The ESA12000 is configured with three big RAIDsets whichnB will hold our production data.  The RAIDsets are 0+1 sets composed& of  12 disks which span all six buses.  F It would seem to me that the bottleneck in my config would be the diskC drives themselves.  Yeah, they're 10k rpm drives with UW interfaces.L but they can only move data on and off the platters so quick.  The interfaceL is rated for 40MB/sec but  I'm sure the sustained transfer rate isn't nearly
 that high.  D It would seem that the HSG80 pair (with max cache) is more than ableF to handle serving data to the 48 disks in the cabinet.  Even when the  controllers J have to keep track of three big 0+1 sets that contain a total of 36 disks.  F How can a site justify adding a second pair of HSG80s  to the cabinet?> The only thing that comes to miind is that the caching on the  controllers is doingK a wonderful thing for your particular application and while "Cache is GOOD"eG (my HSG80s keeps telling me that every time I type SHOW THIS...), twices as much cache must be better.w  L Can anyone who has experience with the quad controller setup please email meH and post to the group?  I'd like to hear the results of any testing you  did asG well as justification for the extra $$$$ for buying the second pair of h HSG80s.    Thanks,-  " -Scott , VMS hack, fc plumber  :^)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:58:41 -0600-+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>0? Subject: RE: Is anyone using an ESA12000 with quad controllers?uN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284E5A@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   Scott,   re: second controller pair ..   A One thought comes to mind with respect to increased availability.e  G If one has very high availability requirements, then one might consider I setting up and establishing 2 SAN fabrics with one FC HBA to each fabric.aH Two SAN fabrics would likely prevent a "router storm" (not sure what theC equivalent is called in the SAN world) taking out an entire fabric.t  I Each SAN fabric would have 2 HSG80's for max availability and performance  (cache mirror ect)  L From an OpenVMS perspective, I have a local Customer that uses a combo of HW RAID and HBVS.  H Four HSJ80 controller pairs (CI not SAN) with RAID5 devices on each. TheJ mission critical drives (DSAxx) are actually HW RAID devices from at leastG two of these controller pairs. Their read intensive drives are actuallyeJ three drives with each drive from a separate controller pair. Drive naming& is in ranges based on controller pair.  @ As an example - DSA400 is actually comprised of something like: A $1$DUA524 (drive from HSJ8Bx controller pair - 5xx series drives) A $1$DUA624 (drive from HSJ8Cx controller pair)- 6xx series drives)rA $1$DUA724 (drive from HSJ8Dx controller pair)- 7xx series drives)d  H Good item about this is that the Customer is protected against an entireJ controller pair failure. The old operator "oh, I thought I was supposed toL restart the other controller.." (controllers in pair are only an inch apart)  L Yep, its expensive, but at Cdn $500-750K per hour downtime, they do not lose much sleep over this.i   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant: Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicest Voice: 613-592-4660D Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----+ From: Scott Vieth [mailto:svieth@wi.rr.com]s Sent: February 25, 2001 3:02 PMh To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn; Subject: Is anyone using an ESA12000 with quad controllers?s     Hi:c  H Is anyone running an ESA12000 with quad controllers (two HSG80 pairs per# cabinet) connected to a VMS system?b  I I've been testing an ESA12000 (48 disks, one pair of HSG80s) connected toeL a VMS system. The HSG80s seem pretty damn fast and I find it hard to believeI that the controllers would be a bottleneck in this config.  My test setup A is an AlphaServer 4100 with two KGPSAs (the 32-bit ones, I've gotnI the 64-bit cards on order), two fc switches and the dual HSG80 (with max e	 cache) infG the ESA12000.  The ESA12000 is configured with three big RAIDsets whichtB will hold our production data.  The RAIDsets are 0+1 sets composed& of  12 disks which span all six buses.  F It would seem to me that the bottleneck in my config would be the diskC drives themselves.  Yeah, they're 10k rpm drives with UW interfacesgL but they can only move data on and off the platters so quick.  The interfaceL is rated for 40MB/sec but  I'm sure the sustained transfer rate isn't nearly
 that high.  D It would seem that the HSG80 pair (with max cache) is more than ableF to handle serving data to the 48 disks in the cabinet.  Even when the  controllers J have to keep track of three big 0+1 sets that contain a total of 36 disks.  F How can a site justify adding a second pair of HSG80s  to the cabinet?> The only thing that comes to miind is that the caching on the  controllers is doingK a wonderful thing for your particular application and while "Cache is GOOD"rG (my HSG80s keeps telling me that every time I type SHOW THIS...), twices as much cache must be better.   L Can anyone who has experience with the quad controller setup please email meH and post to the group?  I'd like to hear the results of any testing you  did asG well as justification for the extra $$$$ for buying the second pair of i HSG80s.    Thanks,u  " -Scott , VMS hack, fc plumber  :^)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:20:01 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)/ Subject: Re: Machine check while in kernel modeoL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2502011420010001@user-2ivec1d.dialup.mindspring.com>  C In article <200102241027_MC2-C6BF-32DC@compuserve.com>, "Richard B.p' Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote:m  E >         Your system experienced a severe and uncorrectable hardwaredJ > problem!  Call Field Service.  If you don't have a service contract, you > could try ANALYZE /ERROR.f  E Must it be a hardware problem?  I think sufficiently messed up systemo@ software can cause machine checks.  For example, if some as getsH clobbered, something might try to access non-existant address space.  On1 some platforms, that would cause a machine check.D   -- a Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com0   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:46:10 -0500I, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>/ Subject: Re: Machine check while in kernel mode > Message-ID: <hshubs-C0A320.17461025022001@news.mindspring.com>  L In article <rdeininger-2502011420010001@user-2ivec1d.dialup.mindspring.com>,4  rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:   >Must it be a hardware problem?b   Yes.  & >I think sufficiently messed up system# >software can cause machine checks..   No.a     >For example, if some as getsbI >clobbered, something might try to access non-existant address space.  One2 >some platforms, that would cause a machine check.  J No, that'd cause an access violation or another bugcheck I can't think of 
 right now.  N A "machine check in kernel mode" is -always- a hardware problem.  Always.  If N someone can come up with even one exception, I'd like to know about it for my  own use. -- o Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:46:25 +0100-> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>@ Subject: Re: Need to get new mail count ? with a pipe expression- Message-ID: <97bn71$uh$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>l  * Thanks to all who submitted a response ...5 Im going to investigate on the various mail utilities ; that have beed suggested, as a complement to the basics ...i   cordialement
 Jean-Francoise  < "Jerome LAURET" <jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu> wrote in message( news:3a982ce7_3@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu... > H > In article <973s68$ivr$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>, "Jean-Franois Marchal"( <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> writes: > |>Bonjour  tous.  > |>A > |>I need to notify users of the presence of new mails at login,r> > |>but the standard english new mail message is not suitable.< > |>(need a french one, to be displayed after a clear screen( > |>has been executed in a common login) > |>' > |>I've already written something likeS > |> > |>$ define/user tmp.tmpn
 > |>$ mail > |>show new_mail_counta > |>$ open/read TMP tmp.tmp  > |>$ read TMP RECORDt > |>...  > |> > |>So I can get the value.- > |>G > |>I tried to build the same solution within a pipe and a job logical,SG > |>but didnt succeed, because there seems to be no solution to displayD' > |>the output from a one line command.a > |>! > |>any idea would be welcome ...t > |> > |>Cordialement > |>Jean-Franois Marchalo > |> > |> > |> > |> >m > K >    Now I know that what you need is definitly the NEWMAIL utility ... You  can E > find it at http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/NEWMAIL/ . Enjoy.v >o >m >t >  > --8 >                   Jerome LAURET S.U.N.Y. @ Stony Brook& >        ,,,,,      Dept. of Chemistry- >       ( o o )     Stony Brook NY 11794-3400 = >   ---m---U---m---------------------------------------------s( >   E-mail: jlauret@mail.chem.sunysb.edu> >   URL   : http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/jlauret/jlauret.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:34:11 -0700 1 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>o2 Subject: Setting time on dual-boot VMS/Unix system3 Message-ID: <3A993403.3584EFEA@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>n  E I've been experimenting with dual-booting VMS and Tru64 on a DEC 3000uG system and have to reset the time each time I switch operating systems.tE Tru64 says that the TOY clock has a preposterous value while VMS justgM asks me to enter the time again at the initial phase of bootup.  I'm guessingdL that these operating systems use the hardware TOY clock in their own way.... but why?   --B Vance Haemmerle               Internet   vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.USK Tucson, AZ                    Web        http://toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US/~vance/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:51:58 -0500d, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>9 Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'd> Message-ID: <hshubs-ABDE85.13515825022001@news.mindspring.com>  - In article <87n1baae6s.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,p.  Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:   >> - USBC >F888 no. Do you REALLY want to replace all your existing printers,r >modems, GPS,... etc etc?i  O USB is already in the 4100 and later systems.  I've not seen any mention of it - in the documentation, though.e -- , Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Feb 2001 19:23:22 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)9 Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'r, Message-ID: <97bm3a$7tv@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  t In article <Zpbm6.11523$CW1.8866923@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >u: >"Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message( >news:87n1baae6s.fsf@prep.synonet.com... ><snip>e >> > - Star Office2 >> Ask Sun. BTW, I have no use for such a package. > ! >I came, I installed, I deleted. o   Me too.   & >That said, Compaq has a team of folksL >working on StarOrifice for OpenVMS as we speak. This is an outside project,G >e.g. not formally sanctioned and not being done during regular workingaK >hours. For those who appreciate ye olde ironic twist, it would do O. Henry.M >proud to see Sun officeware running on an Alpha box when "Strategic Partner"u9 >Microsoft shafted DECpaq on the MS-Office on Alpha deal.h  I Compaq really should buy Corel (asking price is approximately 0 dollars)  H and use it to provide a software base for the Alpha.  If Compaq doesn't J spend the money nobody else will either.  Last time I used wordperfect it H worked a lot better than StarOffice does.  Plus some of the programs in I Corel's stable are really very good, like CorelDraw.  Nothing I tried in 2* StarOffice was anywhere near that quality.  L They should also pay Opera for a port.  I'm not at all sure Mozilla is ever  going to arrive...   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edui? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech :J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:18:08 +0000i) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> 9 Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop's, Message-ID: <3A99AED0.5DF07890@infopuls.com>   David Mathog wrote:t > v > In article <Zpbm6.11523$CW1.8866923@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > >t< > >"Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message* > >news:87n1baae6s.fsf@prep.synonet.com...	 > ><snip>b > >> > - Star Office4 > >> Ask Sun. BTW, I have no use for such a package. > >n" > >I came, I installed, I deleted. > 	 > Me too.e > ( > >That said, Compaq has a team of folksN > >working on StarOrifice for OpenVMS as we speak. This is an outside project,I > >e.g. not formally sanctioned and not being done during regular workingiM > >hours. For those who appreciate ye olde ironic twist, it would do O. HenrydO > >proud to see Sun officeware running on an Alpha box when "Strategic Partner"s; > >Microsoft shafted DECpaq on the MS-Office on Alpha deal.L > J > Compaq really should buy Corel (asking price is approximately 0 dollars)I > and use it to provide a software base for the Alpha.  If Compaq doesn'ttK > spend the money nobody else will either.  Last time I used wordperfect it I > worked a lot better than StarOffice does.  Plus some of the programs in)J > Corel's stable are really very good, like CorelDraw.  Nothing I tried in, > StarOffice was anywhere near that quality. > M > They should also pay Opera for a port.  I'm not at all sure Mozilla is everr > going to arrive... > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edur@ > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, CaltechL > **************************************************************************L > *                                RIP VMS                                 *L > **************************************************************************  > Unfortunately I have to agree. Although StarOffice is a German= product it is not worth a penny. The company tried decades tot? sell their library as a platform portable layer to other peopleu? without any success because it was buggy (mostly implemented ini? the crap C/C++ languages), fat, slow and inconsistent. This hasn? continued in the end product StarOffice. The stupid founder ande; now multi millionair Borries from Hamburg (the town not the-= food) quit SUN a few days ago after "managing" the StarOfficeM> development since the takeover by SUN. This stupid guy Borries@ who is a computer illiterate managed to sell his company/product> to Sun after he had an agreement with IBM to bundle StarOffice: with one of their products but IBM cancelled this activity@ before they started selling StarOffice because they bought Lotus8 which offers much better quality office programs. So the6 question remains open who is stupider: SUN or Borries?  9 Buying Corel makes very much sense from my point of view.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:59:50 -0500-' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> 9 Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'>( Message-ID: <97cd06$hcn$1@pyrite.mv.net>  4 Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message& news:3A99AED0.5DF07890@infopuls.com...   ...   @ > Unfortunately I have to agree. Although StarOffice is a German? > product it is not worth a penny. The company tried decades to A > sell their library as a platform portable layer to other people A > without any success because it was buggy (mostly implemented in 8 > the crap C/C++ languages), fat, slow and inconsistent.  J I'm not sure (nor do I much care) what your problem with C/C++ may be, butI to suggest that whatever problems StarOffice may have is anything like an0K inevitable result of using them is bullshit.  There are compilers availablerJ for them that generate correct code that performs well, and while they mayL not offer the type safety of some languages, neither does assembler, and youK would do well to recall that for at least much of its history (I don't knoweJ the situation today) significant portions of VMS were written in assembler< (and IIRC significant additional portions are written in C).  G Lousy software can be written in any language, and good software can be 6 written in most, as long as the writers are competent.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:14:17 +1030e/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> 9 Subject: Re: TCP/IP v5.1 is on March-2001 ConDistr CDROMs / Message-ID: <3A959641.1BCDD6E9@wasd.vsm.com.au>i  9 And this supports NFS v3, DHCP and XDMCP?  If so, hooray!   ! l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com wrote:  > C > Just FYI, if you've not yet seen it, the TCP/IP v5.1 distribution F > kit appears on the March 2001 OpenVMS Alpha Software Product LibraryD > (consolidated distribution CDROM #1 [UCSAXPA051...]).  I no longerD > get the VAX set, so don't know there, but presume so.  Just got my > subscription box today.t > 	 > cheers,r	 >   Lorinb   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:17:19 -0500l2 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net>9 Subject: Re: TCP/IP v5.1 is on March-2001 ConDistr CDROMsr+ Message-ID: <3a99d94a$1@newsfeed.vitts.com>u  < "Mark Daniel" <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote in message) news:3A959641.1BCDD6E9@wasd.vsm.com.au....; > And this supports NFS v3, DHCP and XDMCP?  If so, hooray!n >h   You are correct, sir.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:32:12 -0500u2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Variables in DCLoL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2502011432120001@user-2ivec1d.dialup.mindspring.com>  E In article <Q7Yl6.305493$w35.50378765@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, "Fatz"  <fatz@fatz.com> wrote:  N > > If you haven't already, get a copy of "Writing Real Programs in DCL".  TheK > second edition (by the newgroups own Steve Hoffman) came out a year or soaN > ago.  Even after 15 years of DCL use, I still found this to be a very useful > book.e > 3 > Is this a rewrite of Agnostopopopopolous' volume?l  K I'm always worried about spelling that name right.  I see I needn't be. :-)e  E Rewrite, add-on, I don't know exactly what to call it.  Maybe "secondc% edition"? Both are listed as authors.g   -- d Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com0   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:56:46 -0500n2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger), Subject: Re: vms 5.5 on vax 4000-200 problemL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2502011356460001@user-2ivec1d.dialup.mindspring.com>  J In article <975s3m$677$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>, "Paul Brett" <pbrett@mun.ca> wrote:  G > Have the above mentioned system laying mothballed for 5 years.... wastK > recently asked to finally decommission it..... as you will see below I ampN > not a VMS administrator by any means but it is my job to power this beast upE > and get the relevant info from the data tapes associated with it...n > L > Oh it was used to power an Image analysis system here several years ago... > G > Well I managed to get it powered up and break the system password....:N > I started to restore the datatapes and ftp the files to my PC where I burned > them on CD...o > D > I then made a big mistake... I deleted all the files in the sysmgr > directory....h > J > Now my system does nothing.... and from what I can  see I have no system
 > backup.....n  E Can you be more specific?  Just what is this nothing?  Do you get any  messages?  How far does it get?a  J Depending on how the system was configured, it might be able to limp along without SYSMGR.s     > What can I do....e  I What devices does the system have?  Is there a second disk?  A guess a CD)1 drive is unlikely, but it would make life easier.a  F Worst case, you will have to re-install VMS.  An upgrade (instead of aB full install) might work, and would leave some of your environment= intact.  But upgrading might be more trouble than it's worth.e  J If you re-install, you should likely use a somewhat newer version of VMS. J 7.2 would work fine on that system, assuming it has enough memory and disk space.  I What kind of tapes are you reading?  You might find a newer system with asI newer tape drive that's compatible.  An early alpha system with the righthJ early DLT drive could read TK50 or TK70 tapes, for example.  9-track tapes would be harder...  9 > I just need the tape drive mounted and ftp working.....k  E Have you checked that your data tranfers without getting scrambled byeF ftp?  There are VMS file formats that aren't simple to interpret after5 being transfered -- particularly on a non-VMS system.o   -- s Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:21:31 +0000e) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>c Subject: VMS apps wishlist, Message-ID: <3A99A18B.158B72F3@infopuls.com>  ? Is there a chance to agree upon the most desirable programs for  the VMS desktop?> I know - and I voted for that amongst others - that SAP is the most needed business app.p= We need a decent browser which is at least as good as IE. I'm > using two OSs right now Linux and VMS but I plan to migrate as8 much as possible to VMS. So the question is will this be> possible for the bread and butter apps? Will it be possible to: agree upon one item per app class? The apps should be open@ source and available in a genuine VMS version (no compromises to UNIX flaws).   List of app classesN   browser. email client news readero editor text processinge spread sheet database presentation  > Maybe we can collect some money from this NG to get Opera in a@ version which will even the Opera hater satisfy. I don't know if9 there is any chance to get the sources to make a real VMSu program out of it. First round: extend this listl= Second round: add examples of good example apps to each classc* Third round: vote for the best/most wanted Fourth round: get the appe   First round is open!   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:45:09 GMT04 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.e= Message-ID: <p9em6.11670$CW1.8979795@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>2  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message1* news:871ysma6dz.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com...8 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >MC > > I came, I installed, I deleted. That said, Compaq has a team ofdD > > folks working on StarOrifice for OpenVMS as we speak. This is anD > > outside project, e.g. not formally sanctioned and not being done! > > during regular working hours.  >tA > Hum, perhaps it is time for a 'what do folks want on VMS' list.e >v  G Not a bad idea. Back in the good old days, the DECUS US Chapter VAX SIGeI maintained a System Improvement Request (SIR) list for this very purpose.a  J Until such time as Compaq (or someone) elects to implement a wishlist, the8 best thing I can think of to do is submit suggestions atL www.compaqworkinggroup.org. If you browse the current voting list (availableL until March 5) you'll note the presence of VMS-centric issues. Said presenceI is directly attributable to the number of VMS-related inputs to the firstx issue submission cycle.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:44:04 -0500., From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.e> Message-ID: <hshubs-3746E2.17440425022001@news.mindspring.com>  = In article <p9em6.11670$CW1.8979795@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,m6  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  K >Until such time as Compaq (or someone) elects to implement a wishlist, ther9 >best thing I can think of to do is submit suggestions at>M >www.compaqworkinggroup.org. If you browse the current voting list (availablehM >until March 5) you'll note the presence of VMS-centric issues. Said presenceoJ >is directly attributable to the number of VMS-related inputs to the first >issue submission cycle.  K I wish Compaq would use VMS to smash Microsoft and take back the computing n= world, then buy IBM and become the -next- Microsoft.  Howzat?C --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:48:07 +0000e) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>h Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.d, Message-ID: <3A99A7C7.D247085C@infopuls.com>   Howard S Shubs wrote:  > ? > In article <p9em6.11670$CW1.8979795@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,k8 >  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: > M > >Until such time as Compaq (or someone) elects to implement a wishlist, thev; > >best thing I can think of to do is submit suggestions at.O > >www.compaqworkinggroup.org. If you browse the current voting list (availabletO > >until March 5) you'll note the presence of VMS-centric issues. Said presence-L > >is directly attributable to the number of VMS-related inputs to the first > >issue submission cycle. > L > I wish Compaq would use VMS to smash Microsoft and take back the computing? > world, then buy IBM and become the -next- Microsoft.  Howzat?t > -- > Howard S ShubsF > "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"  9 Honestly I read this last three or four messages with theD? changed topic "VMS wanted list." *after* I created a new threade@ topic "VMS apps wishlist". I created "my" new thread topic after< reading the three messages of Paul Sture who christianed the= other thread "Now: Where are the VMS apps? Was: 1.2 GHz Alphas= Microprocessor", Paul Repacholi who answered and Rick Cadruvi? who answered also.  < I "cordialmente" invite all to the newly created thread "VMS apps wishlist".   > BTW I'm not sure if using the easiest to use programs on other@ OSs will be the most economic way to do the work if we take into< account break downs, data corruption, data losses and damage; done by viruses and hostile attacks due to security issues.B   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:37:41 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.o= Message-ID: <pzhm6.11740$CW1.9124234@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>m  F "Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:hshubs- >vL > I wish Compaq would use VMS to smash Microsoft and take back the computing? > world, then buy IBM and become the -next- Microsoft.  Howzat?d > --  K Well, like my late mother (who was never late when she was alive) said, "If J wishes were horses all beggars would ride." It would be real tough for CPQK to smash u$oft with VMS since u$oft has access to the IP via the technology ? cross-licensing sellout engineered by an erstwhile Digital CTO.r   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2001 17:19:19 -08003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>7 Subject: Re: VMS wanted list..0 Message-ID: <qhitlytf54.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:M > Well, like my late mother (who was never late when she was alive) said, "IfoL > wishes were horses all beggars would ride." It would be real tough for CPQM > to smash u$oft with VMS since u$oft has access to the IP via the technologysA > cross-licensing sellout engineered by an erstwhile Digital CTO.d  F And if horses were vicious, rides would go begging.  If Microsoft is a' horse, it's a particularly vicious one.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:13:04 -0500m, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.C> Message-ID: <hshubs-3FD2A5.23130425022001@news.mindspring.com>  = In article <pzhm6.11740$CW1.9124234@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,o6  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  L >Well, like my late mother (who was never late when she was alive) said, "IfK >wishes were horses all beggars would ride." It would be real tough for CPQsL >to smash u$oft with VMS since u$oft has access to the IP via the technology   Access to the IP?  What? -- s Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 05:27:30 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.*= Message-ID: <6Plm6.11815$CW1.9296284@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>-  9 "Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote in messaget8 news:hshubs-3FD2A5.23130425022001@news.mindspring.com...? > In article <pzhm6.11740$CW1.9124234@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,i8 >  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: >.J > >Well, like my late mother (who was never late when she was alive) said, "IfaI > >wishes were horses all beggars would ride." It would be real tough forn CPQaC > >to smash u$oft with VMS since u$oft has access to the IP via theS
 technology >> > Access to the IP?  What?  K Intellectual property. The technology cross-licensing agreement between DEC F and u$oft under the August 1995 "Alliance for Enterprise Computing" is far-reaching indeed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:38:54 -0500n, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.o> Message-ID: <hshubs-B224A8.01385426022001@news.mindspring.com>  = In article <6Plm6.11815$CW1.9296284@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,s6  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   >Intellectual property.l  ! Ah, a usage I've not seen before.l    5 >The technology cross-licensing agreement between DEC.G >and u$oft under the August 1995 "Alliance for Enterprise Computing" ism >far-reaching indeed.   M I stopped cursing Palmer when I found out that he was apparently hired to do o0 what he did.  I started cursing the BoD instead. -- h Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Feb 2001 03:51:04 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>K Subject: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'o0 Message-ID: <871ysma6dz.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>  6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  A > I came, I installed, I deleted. That said, Compaq has a team of*B > folks working on StarOrifice for OpenVMS as we speak. This is anB > outside project, e.g. not formally sanctioned and not being done > during regular working hours.   ? Hum, perhaps it is time for a 'what do folks want on VMS' list.t   -- r< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Feb 2001 19:22:20 GMT& From: "Rick Cadruvi" <rick@rdperf.com>F Subject: Re: Where are the VMS apps? Was: 1.2 GHz Alpha Microprocessor0 Message-ID: <97bm1c$rdl@dispatch.concentric.net>  B I agree Outlook is nopt a GREAT program.  I don't get how it could" be SO hard to setup and deal with.  J I really liked Netscape email, but since V4.6, it has just been too buggy.F I have to admit I haven't tried most of the others, but I hated Opera.   Rick...   - "Paul Sture" <paul@sture.ch> wrote in messager% news:VA.000002c8.7f702845@sture.ch...nH > In article <s0Xl6.973$7n1.242238@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>, Rick Cadruvi wrote:G > > I do my email mostly with Outlook and my Web Browsing with InternetR
 > > Explorer.wG > > Why?  VMS doesn't easily support Email attachments and the Netscape> versionsI > > for VMS are CRAP (in fact, since V4.6, NETSCAPE has been too buggy inp
 > > general)..J > > I would rather use other stuff, but it isn't standardized and isn't as good.t > > I wish thise > > wasn't true. BUT IT IS!!!t > > L > Whilst I agree with the general tone of your message, I still refuse to go thecG > Lookout route. Several comments this week on this newsgroup about theg wretchedI > thing insisting on posting in html at its own discretion reinforce thate
 > opinion. >yJ > You should see http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/17141.html for theI > latest reality check on Outlook. IMNSHO having the thing around is just & > waiting for some disaster to happen. >cH > There are alternatives, such as Opera, Eudora, HP's Openmail, and even pine onaF > a Linux box. I use a product called Virtual Access, which had better	 support ahI > few years ago, but despite its foibles still serves me well most of thef time.r > ___e > Paul Sture
 > Switzerlandn >c   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:28:05 GMTe) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) ( Subject: Re: Wide Drives on narrow shelf0 Message-ID: <3a9993b9.68091179@news.wcc.govt.nz>  3 I think this can depend on the flavour of SW Shelf.mA On our HSD Served Disks there's an 8 bit adapter that fits in the5D shelf. The HSD Cables connect to the IO Module adapter, not directly
 to the shelf.iF The firmware on the Disk Controller can also refuse to see disks if it pre-dates the disks.> We have VWs and UltraSCSI attached to our HSD which is narrow.8 Yep, we could upgrade but this is a "legacy" system.....    E On 23 Feb 2001 03:09:25 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>X wrote:   >I> >Why do wide drives not work in a narrow SW shelf? I have used= >wides in a narrow string with a widget with out trouble, but . >the -VWs are not even seen in a narrow shelf. >  >-- = >Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,s8 >+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.A >                                             West Australia 6076M/ >Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.n   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.113 ************************