1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 26 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 114       Contents:A Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? A Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? A RE: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? @ Re: Alpha: game over. Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? Re: Another missed opportunity" Re: Catch UCX telnet output - how?  Re: Copyright on DECW$CDPLAYER.C  Re: Copyright on DECW$CDPLAYER.C Creating a Print Queue Re: Creating a Print Queue% Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize! % Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize! % Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize! % Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize! . Re: DCL_CHECK on sys$manager:net$configure.com. Re: DCL_CHECK on sys$manager:net$configure.com Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt RE: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt FTP Woes1 Re: Handling of remounting of disks after a crash 1 Re: Handling of remounting of disks after a crash P RE: Installing Availability Manager V1.4 on NT 4.0 breaks Reflect	ionsV8.0.2 V8.P RE: Installing Availability Manager V1.4 on NT 4.0 breaks ReflectionsV8.0.2 V8.0P Re: Installing Availability Manager V1.4 on NT 4.0 breaks ReflectionsV8.0.2 V8.0P Re: Installing Availability Manager V1.4 on NT 4.0 breaksReflectionsV8.0.2 V8.0.6 Re: Is anyone using an ESA12000 with quad controllers? Janitor fixes 90L & Re: Machine check while in kernel mode& Re: Machine check while in kernel mode& Re: Machine check while in kernel mode% Re: Machine check wile in kernel mode % Re: Machine check wile in kernel mode * Re: multiple dest disks with PCSI install?' Re: QUESTION: BZIP2 For OpenVMS Anyone? ' Re: QUESTION: BZIP2 For OpenVMS Anyone? ' Re: QUESTION: BZIP2 For OpenVMS Anyone? ' Re: QUESTION: BZIP2 For OpenVMS Anyone? ( Re: RTR now licesnsed as part of OpenVMS Samba on OpenVMS & passwords- Re: Setting time on dual-boot VMS/Unix system - Re: Setting time on dual-boot VMS/Unix system 0 Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'0 Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'0 Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'0 Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'0 Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'0 RE: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'0 Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop' Re: Sun's 'Full Moon' 	 TCPIP 5.0 2 Testing "our of office" rule -- please ignore this Re: UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP ??? F US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine ...)J Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine ...) Re: Variables in DCL VAX emulator for DOS/Win?  Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?  Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?  Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?  Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?  Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?  Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?  Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win? 9 Re: VAXstation 4000 VLC (was: Re: Starting from scratch.)  Vertical windows in TPU  Re: VMS apps wishlist  Re: VMS apps wishlist  Re: VMS apps wishlist  Re: VMS apps wishlist  Re: VMS apps wishlist  Re: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list. RE: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list.F Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'F Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'P Watch out folks.............................please read                          RE: Wide Drives on narrow shelf  Re: Wide Drives on narrow shelf  RE: Wide Drives on narrow shelf  Re: Wide Drives on narrow shelf   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 26 Feb 2001 10:41:06 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> J Subject: Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?H Message-ID: <y4g0h1n5n1.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  . Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  H > Comparing a 600MHz DS20 with a Samsung 264E and about 32M of L3 on the3 > daughter card would be an interesting experiment.   2 So you can tell me where I can get the latter (-)?   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Feb 2001 10:42:08 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> J Subject: Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?H Message-ID: <y4d7c5n5lb.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  2 "Dave Gaukroger" <bangalla@ozemail.com.au> writes:  L > I agree that Compaq does a poor job of marketing this very strong product,N > we are seen too often as the presario company rather than the Alpha company.L > This needs to be rectified or the company will be a consumer market driven7 > casualty once the cheap pc market reaches saturation.    Hear, hear!   5 But how can we get CPQ's senior management to listen?    	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:59:39 -0600 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> J Subject: RE: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0BDD53E5@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----, > From: Paul DeMone [mailto:pdemone@igs.net]  B > Pentium was the winner of Intel's name the 586 contest. I'd hateC > to imagine what the losers were. Considering the FDIV bug perhaps ) > hexium would have been a better choice.   
 Approxima?  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Feb 2001 13:55:53 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) I Subject: Re: Alpha: game over. Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? + Message-ID: <97dn99$kg9$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>   < In article <a_El6.9472$CW1.7702349@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,'  Ric Werme <werme@mediaone.net> writes: > |> kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes: |>  w |> >In article <zEtl6.4220$ce4.1120435@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: I |> >> Or maybe it'll be time for yet another change in naming convention!  |>  E |> >Out goes names like DS##, ES##, and GS###, and in come names like = |> >Presario, Proliant, Professional (whoops), and Precipice.  |>  8 |> How about PDP-##?  No need to stick with two letters.  ? Sorry, that one's still in use and the the current users of the B architecture don't really want to see the namespace polluted.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 26 Feb 2001 08:33:39 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity 3 Message-ID: <+4wmnMfdC1oD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <976hhr$3kp$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: G >  cat /dev/null >SomeFile.txt;chmod a-rwx SomeFile.txt;rm SomeFile.txt  > C > The person now has an empty file (thus, nothing to charge against B > your quota) in his or some directory that belongs to you that he& > can not use, modify or even delete.   K That's an improvemnt, but isn't the disk space for the inode still charged   against me?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:53:08 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> + Subject: Re: Catch UCX telnet output - how? ( Message-ID: <3A9A6DD4.6F7765C@gtech.com>   Marcin Szczecinski wrote: I > is there a simple (VMS/DCL only) method to catch output from UCX telnet % > command (VMS 5.5-2H4 and UCX 3.2) ?  > F > I am lookig for something like "SET HOST /LOG=" but there is no /LOG > qualifier for TELNET. 3 > Redefining SYS$OUTPUT does not work in this case.   - If you upgrade UCX, then you will get a /LOG.   9 Alternatively do first a SET HOST 0 /LOG and then TELNET.    Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Feb 2001 09:24:57 GMT- From: "Phil Tregoning" <ptregoni@esoc.esa.de> ) Subject: Re: Copyright on DECW$CDPLAYER.C = Message-ID: <01c09fd3$d636b800$4b53b083@ptregoni.esoc.esa.de>   3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:  > G >   Does anybody really need/want the menuing system to continue on the H >   Freeware?   (I don't expect to remove it for the upcoming Freeware, @ >   but that environment is a never-ending source of surprises.) >   : Well, I use it. Some way of reading a one line description= of each package is very helpful for finding what's on the CD. ; The first thing I do when a new Freeware CD (or is that now ; going to be GPLware CD:) ?), is fire up the menu and have a  look.     * I guess a text file would do just as well.      3 [in reference to a new version of DECW$CD_PLAYER.C]   ' > :This new version says the following:  > : 1 > :  Copyright  2000 Compaq Computer Corporation  > .. > :What's going on here then?  > * >   I'll pass this along to the maintainer   Thanks.    Phil T   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:53:17 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: Copyright on DECW$CDPLAYER.C 8 Message-ID: <1Svm6.139$dl6.2080@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  m In article <01c09fd3$d636b800$4b53b083@ptregoni.esoc.esa.de>, "Phil Tregoning" <ptregoni@esoc.esa.de> writes: + :I guess a text file would do just as well.   F   There are a couple of files in the root of the Freeware CD-ROM that A   contain consolidated descriptions of everything on the disks...   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:12:53 +0000 3 From: Adam Dawkins <donotreply@interbulletin.bogus>  Subject: Creating a Print Queue 1 Message-ID: <3A9A3A35.684B9A9C@interbulletin.com>    Does anybody know how to create an output queue on VMS that prints via LDP to a Windows Print Queue.  I have a requirement to print data from the VMS server to the Windows NT Network.    Any help would be appreciated.   Thanks Adam.Dawkins@boseurope.com  / _______________________________________________ ; Submitted via WebNewsReader of http://www.interbulletin.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:22:23 -0500 . From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca># Subject: Re: Creating a Print Queue 4 Message-ID: <9Rsm6.134100$Z2.1801344@nnrp1.uunet.ca>   $ mcr ucx$lprsetup   Follow the add configuration.   . When it asks for local or remote select remoteH Enter the NT server name for the remote server (make sure name is in VMS HOSTS database) 7 Enter the NT SHARED printer name for the remote printer   . Select any other options you require for flags  @ "Adam Dawkins" <donotreply@interbulletin.bogus> wrote in message+ news:3A9A3A35.684B9A9C@interbulletin.com... L > Does anybody know how to create an output queue on VMS that prints via LDPJ to a Windows Print Queue.  I have a requirement to print data from the VMS! server to the Windows NT Network.  >   > Any help would be appreciated. >  > Thanks > Adam.Dawkins@boseurope.com > 1 > _______________________________________________ = > Submitted via WebNewsReader of http://www.interbulletin.com  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:59:35 -0500  From: William_Bochnik@acml.com. Subject: Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize!> Message-ID: <OF3741FFFC.DF9DA296-ON852569FF.004CD9EB@acml.com>  ! Records searched:              23       F ______________________________________________________________________  : The information contained in this transmission may contain< privileged and confidential information and is intended only< for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the< intended recipient,  or an employee or agent responsible for? delivering this message to the intended recipient,  any review, @ dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication> is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,A please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy # all copies of the original message.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:02:10 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk. Subject: Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize!/ Message-ID: <002569FF.004D1C54.00@quegw01.btyp>   L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    P Further to this, did ANYONE manage to get the one I posted to work, or is eitherO the lexical function broken (F$FILE arg FILE_LENGTH_HINT) or the implementation  I used incorrect?   @ Should I report this (the fact that it returns -1 for any file)?   Steve Spires        @ Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> on 24/02/2001 05:15:39 PM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) N From:      Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>, 24 February 2001, 5:15 p.m.  % Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize!         M In article <3A97BA5A.51C773C7@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>  wrote:  $ >How do you get the result, Richard?  	 How about    $ COPY/LOG file.foo NL:  -- Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:14:25 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> . Subject: Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize!) Message-ID: <3A9A64C1.F96AF473@Omond.net>   % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:   N > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza > R > Further to this, did ANYONE manage to get the one I posted to work, or is eitherQ > the lexical function broken (F$FILE arg FILE_LENGTH_HINT) or the implementation  > I used incorrect?  > B > Should I report this (the fact that it returns -1 for any file)?  R Hmmm...  the way I understood the file length hint stuff was that an *application*R could update the field with accurate information.  Remember what this is aimed at,I namely Pathworks (and Samba :-) and possibly NFS serving to UN*X machines Q which like to have an exact-number-of-bytes-in-file statistic (without the server M on the VMS side having to read the whole file to determine that number).  So, J my guess would be that if a file has been "served" to one of these foreignF environments, then the field will contain the appropriate information.  K I'm not able to test out this at the moment (not having any of that foreign G stuff anywhere in *my* home environment :-), so maybe others can do so.   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Feb 2001 12:03:48 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org. Subject: Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize!3 Message-ID: <vKn4MhHpXP7U@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <3A967D4A.964FBEE2@deutsche-boerse.com>, Eckhard Wich <eckhard_wich@deutsche-boerse.com> writes: F > Ok, the $ COPY as proposed by Kevin B Black has some advantages. So,K > without having temp files written the result is stored in "line_cnt". The  > DCL hack looks like this:  >  > CFD001>type c.com ! > $  pipe copy /log 'p1' nl:  | -   C One problem with a $ COPY /LOG is that it blows up on indexed files 1 (or other files with ORGANIZATION != SEQUENTIAL).   ! $ SEARCH is nicer in that regard.   ? One problem with $ SEARCH /LOG is that it complains about empty  input files.   $ COPY is nicer in that regard.   G You can use $ EXCHANGE COPY /LOG to avoid both problems, but that fails H silently when used with a network file specification.  (Not that networkF access control strings work too well with the 'p1' syntax in the first place).2  F I haven't investigated whether SEARCH might misbehave when used with a5 stream format file with long records and LRL not set.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:19:02 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)7 Subject: Re: DCL_CHECK on sys$manager:net$configure.como8 Message-ID: <Gtum6.130$dl6.1951@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  . I will report this to DECnet Plus engineering.       Charlie hammondt      U In article <3A98149A.B321104F@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes: L >I have run DCL_CHECK V2.0-0A against net$configure.com OpenVMS 7.2-1 Alpha. >This is a summary. $ >Who said the DCL parser was severe? >u' >Procedure contains:  11303 total linescG >                     10642 code lines (including 10 lines w/ comments)i9 >                       489 additional continuation linesT6 >                         0 lines w/i $DECK/$EOD pairs. >                         1 comment only lines' >                       171 blank linesl6 >              Total of 896 errors and warnings found. >E( >Among them, there are some significant: >4F >(mainly a IF THEN on two lines without ENDIF and without continuation >character)b >k( > 1636  INT  IF statement not terminated( > 2306  INT  IF statement not terminated( > 2355  INT  IF statement not terminated( > 2357  INT  IF statement not terminated( > 2359  INT  IF statement not terminated( > 2361  INT  IF statement not terminated( > 2363  INT  IF statement not terminated > ? >(here, a missing dot after the operator doesn't hurt DCL much)i >i( >   24  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >  420  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >  485  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >  522  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >  540  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >  892  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 1517  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 2162  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 3047  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 3602  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 3612  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 3622  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 3650  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 3697  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 6791  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 6887  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >10350  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >10353  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >10452  ICO  invalid comparison operator >iN >(and here, an enclosed character string doesn't actually have to be enclosed) >S) >   12  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (") ) >   13  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (").) > 1228  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")a) > 1674  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (") ) > 1679  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")l) > 1787  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")S) > 3577  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")  > D >DCL_CHECK is here: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/DCL_CHECK >FYI.D >D.n >    -- sK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:43:10 -0500s  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com7 Subject: Re: DCL_CHECK on sys$manager:net$configure.comW4 Message-ID: <C22569FF.005586D0.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  J Someone should at least send him an umbrella if he didn't get one already.        % hammond@not on 02/26/2001 10:19:02 AM    Please respond to hammond@notD   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.come cc:e8 Subject:  Re: DCL_CHECK on sys$manager:net$configure.com        . I will report this to DECnet Plus engineering.       Charlie hammond-      M In article <3A98149A.B321104F@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>n writes:.L >I have run DCL_CHECK V2.0-0A against net$configure.com OpenVMS 7.2-1 Alpha. >This is a summary.e$ >Who said the DCL parser was severe? >@' >Procedure contains:  11303 total linesdG >                     10642 code lines (including 10 lines w/ comments)M9 >                       489 additional continuation linesa6 >                         0 lines w/i $DECK/$EOD pairs. >                         1 comment only lines' >                       171 blank lines 6 >              Total of 896 errors and warnings found. >j( >Among them, there are some significant: >eF >(mainly a IF THEN on two lines without ENDIF and without continuation >character)g >D( > 1636  INT  IF statement not terminated( > 2306  INT  IF statement not terminated( > 2355  INT  IF statement not terminated( > 2357  INT  IF statement not terminated( > 2359  INT  IF statement not terminated( > 2361  INT  IF statement not terminated( > 2363  INT  IF statement not terminated >r? >(here, a missing dot after the operator doesn't hurt DCL much)l >o( >   24  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >  420  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >  485  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >  522  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >  540  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >  892  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 1517  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 2162  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 3047  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 3602  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 3612  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 3622  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 3650  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 3697  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 6791  ICO  invalid comparison operator( > 6887  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >10350  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >10353  ICO  invalid comparison operator( >10452  ICO  invalid comparison operator >PN >(and here, an enclosed character string doesn't actually have to be enclosed) >0) >   12  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (").) >   13  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (") ) > 1228  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")M) > 1674  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")c) > 1679  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")7) > 1787  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")e) > 3577  UPQ  unpaired quotation marks (")@ >nD >DCL_CHECK is here: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/DCL_CHECK >FYI.2 >D.4 >2   --K     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAsH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:51:06 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o' Subject: Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirtc) Message-ID: <3A9A270A.56715ACA@gtech.com>a   Christof Brass wrote:p > Paul Sture wrote: ? > > In article <3A97BCEE.9080106@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth wrote:aF > > > Using this kind of advertising in comp.os.vms is soooo childish. > > >sM > > > I'll continue to buy my hardware from Great Lakes Computer because theyn" > > > don't stoop to such tactics. > > >-L > > > Just to remind y'all - the best deal on Digital/Compaq hardware can beB > > > found at Great Lakes Computer in Grand Rapids, MI.  Phone is5 > > > (616) 698-1100.    On the web at www.glcomp.com   L > > > p.s.  Island charges too much for their new StorageWorks drives.  Call- > > > Great Lakes and get a much better deal.t  $ > > Paul, Happy Islandco Customer:-) > < > Happy IslandCo Customer also I have to admit that deliveryA > quality and responsiveness to questions is exceptionel comparedy@ > to most other mail order companies I used so far. I've also toA > admit that I didn't try G.L. and I surely never will as long asg? > there isn't any reason like a very good offering and a person-A > who will testify in a reasonable manner that they could delivern4 > to Europe without credit card payment requirement.  # I am a happy IslandCo customer too.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:49:28 +0100-= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>=' Subject: Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirte) Message-ID: <3A9A26A8.E641BDF2@gtech.com>p   Paul Sture wrote:D= > In article <3A97BCEE.9080106@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth wrote: D > > Using this kind of advertising in comp.os.vms is soooo childish. > > K > > I'll continue to buy my hardware from Great Lakes Computer because theyE  > > don't stoop to such tactics. > >uJ > > Just to remind y'all - the best deal on Digital/Compaq hardware can be@ > > found at Great Lakes Computer in Grand Rapids, MI.  Phone is3 > > (616) 698-1100.    On the web at www.glcomp.com   J > > p.s.  Island charges too much for their new StorageWorks drives.  Call+ > > Great Lakes and get a much better deal.: > >CJ > 'Scuse me for offering a different opinion, and I've never used GL, but: > @ > Can GL export to Europe _and_ get the customs paperwork right?O > Can I pay GL by other means than a credit card? Hint - I don't have a US bank 
 > account.; > Can GL deliver to Europe within a couple of working days?   F My experience with GL is that they do not even reply to one, when they hear "Europe".  E I emailed them about a price for something. They asked where I lived.  Andi1 I told them Denmark. Never heard from them again.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:51:59 -0600u* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>' Subject: RE: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirte- Message-ID: <0033000017155369000002L092*@MHS>    =0A> -----Original Message-----g1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETp* > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:54 PM8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET) > Subject: RE: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt- >- > * > In article <3A99AFE2.8080307@wi.rr.com>,- >      Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes:u >c > >:D > > I  am not officially speaking for G.L. but I don't think they're# > > interested in selling equipment0F > > overseas.  They have enough buiness here in the good old USA.  You > > should probably C > > stick with your current vendor if you live outside the main 48.e > >iA >     When I dealt with G.L. about a year ago they had no problemdH > shipping stuff to Canada. I don't know if they do business with Europ= e E > or not, but their "contact us" web page asks what country you're in E > and provides a pretty comprehensive list of choices ( minor nit, it-F > also insists you provide a state, even is you say the country is not > the USA ). >aC >    David at Islandco may not be giving away T-shirts, but you may-@ > recall he was giving away Multias last year - that's got to be > better than T-shirts.i >rD       I got one too for the cost of shipping.  I've found them to beE       as helpful as any other reseller I've dealt with, and, frankly,o$       more helpful than most others.  B       If pricing is the only problem that whoever it was had aboutA       about Island,  then don't worry.  The free market will takecB       care of that.  Reselling is a pretty competitive (some might:       say cutthroat) place, certainly more so than retail.  
       WWWebb=b   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:30:37 -0500:% From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com><' Subject: Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirtn/ Message-ID: <t9l3uqnjfd1f92@corp.supernews.com>0   Thanks for the responses  J If anyone can advise exactly what we are so much more expensive on then we- can change pricing to reflect the competitionf  L But we also need to consider the fact that most of our drives on the website8 are NEW - not DEC Used recertified with 30 days warranty  K We give 12 months warranty minimum - YES MINIMUM- that has a cost of courseb !s   DT   -- Island Computers US Corporationt 2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 150y Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622V Fax: 912 201 0096L sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andoJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whomE they are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended-
 recipient,G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete thisi message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingF of this message is prohibited.    7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message_' news:0033000017155369000002L092*@MHS..._   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETv* > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:54 PM8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET) > Subject: RE: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirtn >p >e* > In article <3A99AFE2.8080307@wi.rr.com>,- >      Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes:  >i > >nD > > I  am not officially speaking for G.L. but I don't think they're# > > interested in selling equipmenteF > > overseas.  They have enough buiness here in the good old USA.  You > > should probablyoC > > stick with your current vendor if you live outside the main 48.o > > A >     When I dealt with G.L. about a year ago they had no problemjH > shipping stuff to Canada. I don't know if they do business with EuropeE > or not, but their "contact us" web page asks what country you're in E > and provides a pretty comprehensive list of choices ( minor nit, iteF > also insists you provide a state, even is you say the country is not > the USA ). >NC >    David at Islandco may not be giving away T-shirts, but you mayr@ > recall he was giving away Multias last year - that's got to be > better than T-shirts.< >uD       I got one too for the cost of shipping.  I've found them to beE       as helpful as any other reseller I've dealt with, and, frankly,w$       more helpful than most others.  B       If pricing is the only problem that whoever it was had aboutA       about Island,  then don't worry.  The free market will takeeB       care of that.  Reselling is a pretty competitive (some might:       say cutthroat) place, certainly more so than retail.  
       WWWebb=,   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:33:12 GMT-' From: "Sotos" <williamsburg@djginc.com>: Subject: FTP Woes = Message-ID: <YGum6.125814$B6.29595427@news1.rdc1.md.home.com>   H I am having trouble transferring files (Plain text) from a PC to our VMSE system.  I am using WS_FTP and am able to transfer files in the other J direction without problem.  When I attempt to transfer to the VMS, I firstK get a status message saying "Transmitted  xxx bytes in xx secs", then afterFF a period, I get another message stating "!Receive error: Blocking callH cancelled".  At that point, I am left with a file with the correct name,H containing 0 bytes, and attempting to delete it returns the message "5506 file currently locked by another user, Delete failed."L I should mention that I am new to VMS, but you probably already figured thatA out.  I have poked around in a VMS faq or two, but came up empty.b  $ Any suggestions greatly appreciated.   Sotos Patistas	 DJG, Inc.a Williamsburg, VA   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 05:41:56 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i: Subject: Re: Handling of remounting of disks after a crash, Message-ID: <3A9A32F4.B8DFD616@videotron.ca>  * Thanks to those who pointed to MVTIMEOUT.   L I purposefully crashed the workstation with the other system having a longerC MVTIMEOUT and it had the desired effect and everything worked fine.b    H Is there a way to run OPCCRASH so that an automatic reboot is executed ?  J (In these cases, I needed to crash the system otherwise the disks would be nicely dismounted).A   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:48:20 +0000c From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> : Subject: Re: Handling of remounting of disks after a crash( Message-ID: <3A9A3474.1923FE9@Omond.net>   JF Mezei wrote:"  + > Thanks to those who pointed to MVTIMEOUT.0 >tN > I purposefully crashed the workstation with the other system having a longerE > MVTIMEOUT and it had the desired effect and everything worked fine.O >=J > Is there a way to run OPCCRASH so that an automatic reboot is executed ?   Yep,   $ define opc$reboot yb $ define opc$nodump y. $ mcr opccrash  K Search sys$system:shutdown.com for other OPC$xxx logical names of interest.,  	 Roy Omondl Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:35:36 -0600s+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>tY Subject: RE: Installing Availability Manager V1.4 on NT 4.0 breaks Reflect	ionsV8.0.2 V8.aL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0BDD53ED@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----> > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@earthlink.net]   > <OpenVMS_Bigot> F > Being as it's NT crapware, however, that's probably just ... well, I > should shut up 'bout now.a  A Ahh -- No, keep talking, it sounds perfectly reasonable to me. :)n  H > I wonder how much Gates is paying Compaq to force us to manage OpenVMS > using Micro$hit... > </OpenVMS_Bigot>  L I wonder about this statement -- assuming that no "management features" (forG lack of a real term) have been removed from VMS, AFAIK -- how is Compaqu4 forcing people to manage VMS using non-VMS machines?   Regards,   Chrisn  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:48:36 +0000e  From: steven.reece@quintiles.comY Subject: RE: Installing Availability Manager V1.4 on NT 4.0 breaks ReflectionsV8.0.2 V8.0HH Message-ID: <OF559DF5D7.551444E3-ON802569FF.0056AAF3@qedi.quintiles.com>  G But isn't Availability Manager being shipped as a replacement for AMDS?mH Ok, so AMDS has to be installed separately but it's still monitor VMS on& VMS, not monitor VMS on BillyBloatware   Steve.  3 Christopher Smith (csmith at amdocs dot com) wrote:3J >>>I wonder about this statement -- assuming that no "management features" (forG lack of a real term) have been removed from VMS, AFAIK -- how is Compaq 7 forcing people to manage VMS using non-VMS machines?<<<l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:20:20 -0000C* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>Y Subject: Re: Installing Availability Manager V1.4 on NT 4.0 breaks ReflectionsV8.0.2 V8.0d+ Message-ID: <97e38m$ri6@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>m  - <steven.reece@quintiles.com> wrote in message B news:OF559DF5D7.551444E3-ON802569FF.0056AAF3@qedi.quintiles.com...  I > But isn't Availability Manager being shipped as a replacement for AMDS?CJ > Ok, so AMDS has to be installed separately but it's still monitor VMS on( > VMS, not monitor VMS on BillyBloatware  I Availability manager runs on VMS. It's mostly in Java, (except presumablytI the networking interface). It seems sensible enough to me to use the samehL codebase. It just means that at some unspecified time in the future you willL have to have a spare machine with a reasonable speed (not a VAX, of course).  O Frankly, I don't see the problem, as long as AMDS stays for a reasonable while.9   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:07:30 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> Y Subject: Re: Installing Availability Manager V1.4 on NT 4.0 breaksReflectionsV8.0.2 V8.0. ) Message-ID: <3A9A7F42.894CB3BF@bbc.co.uk>p  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:   I > But isn't Availability Manager being shipped as a replacement for AMDS?)J > Ok, so AMDS has to be installed separately but it's still monitor VMS on) > VMS, not monitor VMS on BillyBloatware.   I > Yup. My guess is that in many shops PC software support is a diffrerentR > groupE  G to VMS support (it is for me here). In which case, rolling out a new PCh application>M to end users is not always easy anyway. You have to persuade mgmt to persuade  the M desktop support group to qualify it with their M$ implementation then installo it on appropriate users' PC's.   J What exactly is wrong with montioring/managing VMS from VMS? Aprt from the lack of  a braid-dead GUI application?   M Anyway, I don't really wan some operator pointing and clicking at random withd# important things on the VMS system.v    --C6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Feb 2001 10:49:42 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ? Subject: Re: Is anyone using an ESA12000 with quad controllers?e3 Message-ID: <55ch79nXH+f1@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  O In article <3A9964A4.6050407@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes:i > Hi:h > J > Is anyone running an ESA12000 with quad controllers (two HSG80 pairs per% > cabinet) connected to a VMS system?n > K > I've been testing an ESA12000 (48 disks, one pair of HSG80s) connected tomN > a VMS system. The HSG80s seem pretty damn fast and I find it hard to believeK > that the controllers would be a bottleneck in this config.  My test setup C > is an AlphaServer 4100 with two KGPSAs (the 32-bit ones, I've got K > the 64-bit cards on order), two fc switches and the dual HSG80 (with max   > cache) invI > the ESA12000.  The ESA12000 is configured with three big RAIDsets which D > will hold our production data.  The RAIDsets are 0+1 sets composed( > of  12 disks which span all six buses. > H > It would seem to me that the bottleneck in my config would be the diskE > drives themselves.  Yeah, they're 10k rpm drives with UW interfaceslN > but they can only move data on and off the platters so quick.  The interfaceN > is rated for 40MB/sec but  I'm sure the sustained transfer rate isn't nearly > that high. >   . 	From recent discussions, I have gathered that@ 	UltraSCSI 3 is rated at 160 MB/s but I believe can only sustain= 	55 MB/s.  Likewise, UltraSCSI 4 is rated at 320 MB/s and canrA 	sustain 110 MB/s (expect to see U4 drives this year).  So with 6e? 	active buses, maybe you do at most 330 MB/s and 4 active ports @ 	can handle that.  Next Gen controllers do 200 MB/s per port andA 	would be the hardware to buy for Ultra4 drives.  So I guess I am D 	saying that if the drives are a bottleneck, "just barely."  I/O perH 	second is a different and harder to quantify "beast" as the controllers@ 	are rated at 18K+ I/O per second and most likely are idyllic in 	their measurement of that.   4 	Are you bandwidth oriented or transaction oriented?  @ 	Like to know more as I am learning as I am going and it is good? 	to banter here.  Perhaps Uwe (who trains others on this stuff)e
 	will pop in.p  F > It would seem that the HSG80 pair (with max cache) is more than ableH > to handle serving data to the 48 disks in the cabinet.  Even when the 
 > controllersDL > have to keep track of three big 0+1 sets that contain a total of 36 disks. >     H > How can a site justify adding a second pair of HSG80s  to the cabinet?  : 	Just say you anticipate needing it on down the road.  :-)A 	But if you don't have growth charts backing you up , someone mayb 	call your bluff.   @ > The only thing that comes to miind is that the caching on the  > controllers is doingM > a wonderful thing for your particular application and while "Cache is GOOD"tI > (my HSG80s keeps telling me that every time I type SHOW THIS...), twice  > as much cache must be better.  > N > Can anyone who has experience with the quad controller setup please email meJ > and post to the group?  I'd like to hear the results of any testing you  > did asI > well as justification for the extra $$$$ for buying the second pair of n	 > HSG80s.e > 	 > Thanks,n > $ > -Scott , VMS hack, fc plumber  :^)   				Robr   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:52:56 -0700I1 From: David D Miller <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com>e Subject: Janitor fixes 90LF Message-ID: <OF64737FF4.B5FDF108-ON072569FF.006730A7@rsc.raytheon.com>   Folkse  H Time to lighten up.  I'm sure you've all had experiences similar to this ...   H One of my 90L term server ports was acting up.  Before I had a chance toJ check it out the evening shift came in.  The janitor plugged his vacuum inG the same power strip that the 90L was plugged into and blew the circuitAG breaker.  He of course quietly found another receptacle to use.  In the1F morning the circuit breaker was reset and (sure enough) the 90L is now behaving itself.  $ Care to share your low-tech stories?   dave.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:47:42 -0000a* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>/ Subject: Re: Machine check while in kernel mode , Message-ID: <97d8o3$130u@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  9 "Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote in messagem8 news:hshubs-C0A320.17461025022001@news.mindspring.com...  O > A "machine check in kernel mode" is -always- a hardware problem.  Always.  IfSO > someone can come up with even one exception, I'd like to know about it for my 
 > own use.  C I had problems with an early version of PATHworks server that could K *reproducibly* generate machine checks accessing container files on MassbusLN drives. However, looking at the error log entry would be a good place to start in any case.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:38:35 GMTa; From: "Stuart R. Fuller" <stu@c49395-a.wodhvn1.mi.home.com>d/ Subject: Re: Machine check while in kernel moder/ Message-ID: <d9sc79.dre.ln@momsys.fuller.local>,  3 Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote:1E : In article <200102241027_MC2-C6BF-32DC@compuserve.com>, "Richard B. ) : Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote:-  F :>         Your system experienced a severe and uncorrectable hardwareK :> problem!  Call Field Service.  If you don't have a service contract, you- :> could try ANALYZE /ERROR.  G : Must it be a hardware problem?  I think sufficiently messed up system8B : software can cause machine checks.  For example, if some as getsJ : clobbered, something might try to access non-existant address space.  On3 : some platforms, that would cause a machine check.s  K You are, of course, correct.  However, it's not very likely to be corrupted J software.  If some software attempts to access non-existent address space,M it'll get an ACCVIO.  If a virtual page was mapped to a bad physical address,gN then, yes, you'll get an MCHK, but in my 20+ years experience, a machine check. indicates a hardware problem 100% of the time.           Stun   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Feb 2001 16:53:18 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>h/ Subject: Re: Machine check while in kernel modeiH Message-ID: <y4g0h11lw1.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  = "Stuart R. Fuller" <stu@c49395-a.wodhvn1.mi.home.com> writes:o  M > You are, of course, correct.  However, it's not very likely to be corruptednL > software.  If some software attempts to access non-existent address space,O > it'll get an ACCVIO.  If a virtual page was mapped to a bad physical address, K > then, yes, you'll get an MCHK, but in my 20+ years experience, a machine o6 > check indicates a hardware problem 100% of the time.  K In fact, configuring the I/O space by VMS generates machine checks all over J the place. SYSGEN and company use a special set of macros (MCHK_PROTECT orI something like that, memory is leaking, it was more than 15 years ago) torL catch them and base decisions on what devices are present on that. Makes for2 pleasant debugging if you use them in your driver.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:33:29 +0000 " From: Nic P Clews <nclews@csc.com>. Subject: Re: Machine check wile in kernel mode@ Message-ID: <OF731DDF6D.0CB537DF-ON802569FF.0044FBEA@eu.csc.com>  ' >>I think sufficiently messed up systema$ >>software can cause machine checks. >C >No.   "Oh yes it can".  / Certain software combinations I won't name here 0 did have a habit of doing this, once addressable& spaces vanished, and you get a machine check.  . You need to check out the stack and also check- out the memory location being referred to andv+ see what else was happening at the time andn in what order.  ( Hardware removed under software control!  / Your error log should have entries to verify its& is hardware, entries get stowed in the- error log buffers and are processed when yourt% system reboots and they are placed ini/ the error log along with an entry for the crashn. itself in most cases. Some types of errors are' in fact only logged at system shutdown,w% CPU and memory related are favourite.0  6 Having said all that it is more likely it is hardware.  . "Decent" machine checks are sometimes followed0 with DBL ERR on the console, and you're lucky if1 you even get a console prompt, never mind a crashu dump!R  6 I'd still get your hardware checked out though..... it is most likely.r  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:16:26 -0500e, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>. Subject: Re: Machine check wile in kernel mode> Message-ID: <hshubs-1F64ED.08162626022001@news.mindspring.com>  @ In article <OF731DDF6D.0CB537DF-ON802569FF.0044FBEA@eu.csc.com>,$  Nic P Clews <nclews@csc.com> wrote:  ( >>>I think sufficiently messed up system% >>>software can cause machine checks.n >> >>No.i >c >"Oh yes it can".    Cool, new info.o    0 >Certain software combinations I won't name here   Fine, be that way. --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:50:20 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com3 Subject: Re: multiple dest disks with PCSI install?<H Message-ID: <OFE050CD26.0A42C56C-ON802569FF.0045A003@qedi.quintiles.com>  ; This is kind of an antithesis of my argument of disk sizes.f  F It is getting more and more difficult to buy a 4.3GB Storageworks diskD (although some are still available) since the general disk sizes areI increasing.  Now I don't _need_ an 18GB disk for my system disk, not even 
 on Alphas.  K - I move my page and swap files to another disk to reduce congestion on the. system disk;I - I create new error logs each day and copy then delete the old one to anM7 archive area, same with accounting and audit log files;PG - I have few accounts that have their home areas on the system disk and : those that are there have to be there for various reasons;  K Why do I need to have a system disk with all that free space on it?  (Okay,tH there's the arguments about seek time and head movement but we'll ignore these for the moment).  K The present scheme of getting bigger and bigger disks and letting the smallnG ones fall out of the bottom of the sales catalogue plays right into thetG hands of his Gatesness and the bloatware that his company produces.  It I also means that Compaq don't need to have alternate install locations for A most products since the system disk has lots of free space on it.   G As an aside: there is a product that Compaq have recently taken back inVH house that asks for an alternative location and then ignores it and putsI its files on the system disk.  This is a trip-up in the coding though and-' not intentional, so I won't name names.    Steve.  J Wayne Sewell (wayne at tachysoft dot xxx dot 344932 dot killspam dot 0142) wrote:J >>>Then there are the digipaq kits that assume they are on the system disk evenH when you install them on other disks, which is permitted by PCSI.  I canJ somewhat understand this for layered products that are deeply bound to theK operating system, such as decnet.  However, java also makes this assumptionu andiH I can see no reason why java *must* be on the system disk.   There's too damnH much stuff on the system disk as it is.   I put java off the system diskK against its will and defined a java$common logical to replace sys$common in  thej java startup procedure.<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:07:43 +0100M- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>o0 Subject: Re: QUESTION: BZIP2 For OpenVMS Anyone?3 Message-ID: <3A9A1CDF.4861ABC5@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>I   Main, Kerry wrote: > 6 > > Has anyone looked at the porting BZIP2 to OpenVMS? > >t >  > Pointer to BZIP2 for OpenVMS:e1 > http://www.decus.de:8080/www/vms/sw/bzip2.htmlxb > G This site states that the changes are submitted to the author. However,rF they are not included in a newer version. I also once tried to contact= the author with VMS-patches : I never heard any-thing of him.0  8 What can we do to force the author to give any reaction?                             Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:59:03 +01005= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 0 Subject: Re: QUESTION: BZIP2 For OpenVMS Anyone?) Message-ID: <3A9A6F37.8395F150@gtech.com>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > Robert Alan Byer wrote:r6 > > Has anyone looked at the porting BZIP2 to OpenVMS? > >w6 > > (The "offical" WWW page with source for this is atH > > http://sources.redhat.com/bzip2/index.html if anyone is interested.) > >aM > > I've been seeing this format more and more lately in software developmenttG > > and was interested in knowing if anyone has a OpenVMS version sincerN > > unpacking files on a PC and then transfering them is getting to be a pain. > I > I thought I'd seen bzip2 for OpenVMS somewhere. Like most UN*X portees,eH > it's likely to not support RMS. So, after unpacking an archive, you'llH > likely need to make your own decision(s) on how to SET FILE/ATTRIBUTESG > for each file you unpack. Even a ".tbz" (.tar_bz) archive could stilleH > present this problem, since the source system was likely not one which > supports RMS.t   ????  F I have never had problems with GZIP -D & TAR XVF or BZIP2 -D & TAR XVF and record attributes !i  B The capability to support RMS attributes are essential when moving	 VMS->VMS.   9 But UNIX->VMS is not a problem, because text->STREAM_LF &m binary->FIXED512 works for 99.9% of cases.i   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:55:47 +0100-= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>t0 Subject: Re: QUESTION: BZIP2 For OpenVMS Anyone?) Message-ID: <3A9A6E73.5079DDA0@gtech.com>n   Robert Alan Byer wrote:-4 > Has anyone looked at the porting BZIP2 to OpenVMS? > 4 > (The "offical" WWW page with source for this is atF > http://sources.redhat.com/bzip2/index.html if anyone is interested.) > K > I've been seeing this format more and more lately in software developmentcE > and was interested in knowing if anyone has a OpenVMS version since.L > unpacking files on a PC and then transfering them is getting to be a pain.  E I was able to build a BZIP2 for VMS without any significant problems.e  9 I think I only changed the suffix from ".bz2"  to "_BZ2".i  " I can check if you are interested.   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Feb 2001 18:23:26 +0100) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam)e0 Subject: Re: QUESTION: BZIP2 For OpenVMS Anyone?! Message-ID: <g7tZQEnzxv+r@ludens>   i In article <3A9A6E73.5079DDA0@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:l > Robert Alan Byer wrote:o5 >> Has anyone looked at the porting BZIP2 to OpenVMS?- >> a5 >> (The "offical" WWW page with source for this is atyG >> http://sources.redhat.com/bzip2/index.html if anyone is interested.)r >>  L >> I've been seeing this format more and more lately in software developmentF >> and was interested in knowing if anyone has a OpenVMS version sinceM >> unpacking files on a PC and then transfering them is getting to be a pain.t > G > I was able to build a BZIP2 for VMS without any significant problems.l > ; > I think I only changed the suffix from ".bz2"  to "_BZ2".    please: -BZ2  $ (gnu zip has "-GZ" suffix under vms)   > $ > I can check if you are interested. >  > Arne  H Adam Maulis              maulis@ludens elte hu        VMS system managerH ........................................................................H VMS Competence Center                              VMS Szakertoi KozpontH Eotvos Lorand University                   Eotvos Lorand TudomanyegyetemH Budapest, Hungary                                               BudapestH ========================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:30:03 -0800A, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>1 Subject: Re: RTR now licesnsed as part of OpenVMSa4 Message-ID: <97e0a4$ope0r$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  8 "RICHARDJMAHER" <richardjmaher@aol.com> wrote in message4 news:20010225105631.04703.00002135@ng-fe1.aol.com...L > I think the suggestion is that 6.5 was not a complete version and it's the last > one you'll see of VMS. >e% <lot's of other conversation snipped>eL 6.5 is a "complete" version as far as i can tell, but you are right, it willL be the last vms version.  we had a visit from the cto to tell us that.  theyD are commited to interoperability between tux vms 6.5 and tux 7.1 andK beyond, but that's it.  main new thing in 7.1 is multithreaded servers.  hee: said that was "too hard" to do on vms.  (at least based on? the number of vms customers).  this makes our use of tux on vmso8 a short term solution while watching for something else.   jim0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:17:26 +0100 ( From: Borut Kurnik <borut.kurnik@add.si>% Subject: Samba on OpenVMS & passwordse5 Message-ID: <01Feb26.102223cet.119041@gateway.add.si>    Hi!h  L I have installed Samba 2.0.6 on OpenVMS 7.2-1 running on a DS20 Alpha server? I wonder what must I do to get the encrypted passwords to work.n When I put thisw  7 smb passwd file = /samba_root/var/private/SMBPASSWD.DATp  F into my SMB.CONF and use smbpasswd program, it said it had changed the! password, but didn't do anything. I I tried to use a file password file from linux but didn't work either. Sor8 till now I could only work without passwords (as guest).   And another thing:  L path=dka100:[public.all]        works, but     /dka100/public/all     doesnt ????     Thanks,    Borut      [global]    workgroup = ADDSMB1    netbios name = GVIDOr    netbios aliases = gvido(    server string = GVIDO as Samba Server    encrypt passwords = Yes ;   mangled names = No ;   encrypt passwords = No    hide dot files = No    map system = Yes.    printing = bsd <    printcap name = /sys$sysroot/tcpip$lpd/tcpip$printcap.dat>    print command = print %s /queue=%p /delete/name=SAMBA_PRINT(    lppause command = samba_lppause %p %j*    lpresume command = samba_lpresume %p %j     lpq command = samba_lpstat %p"    lprm command = samba_lprm %p %jJ ;   lpq cache time = 0 ;future when next OpenVMS release uses SYS$GETQUI()7 ;   smbrun = project_root:[samba_vms.bin]smbrun.exe_axp     load printers = yes> ;   socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192>    socket options = SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 SO_KEEPALIVE ;   keepalive = 30    guest account = LUJD ;  This next option sets a separate log file for each client. Remove& ;  it if you want a combined log file.& ;   log file = /usr/local/samba/log.%m%     log file = /samba_root/var/%m.logi ;    log file = sys$output/   F ;  You will need a world readable lock directory and "share modes=yes"C ;  if you want to support the file sharing modes for multiple usersi ;  of the same files. ;  lock directory = /usr/local/samba/var/locks   share modes = yes    security = userD   share modes = yess   map to guest = Bad Passwordy ;S ; new stuff  ;  debug pid = Yes ;  debug uid = Yes   level2 oplocks = TruesJ ; magic script = SAMBA_MAGIC.COM ;experimental, will this work on OpenVMS?  ; magic output = SAMBA_MAGIC.LOG ; new stuffe ;  max xmit = 8192     blocking locks = Trueo*   message command = samba_message %f %t %sI ; ole locking compatibility must be off, or VMS will create a giant empty  files!    ole locking compatibility = no  . ; unix password sync = no ! VMS password chat.0 ;  password chat = "*Enter OLD password*" %o\n \0 ;                  "*Enter NEW password*" %n\n \3 ;                  "*Reenter NEW password*" %\n\n \k' ;                  "*Password changed*"e ;l    password server = gulp :    smb passwd file = /samba_root/var/private/SMBPASSWD.DAT  ;  passwd program = SET PASSWORD, ;  passwd chat debug = True     ; Debug only ;u ; nmbd ; local master = yes ;defaultp  ; preferred master = no; default   [public]&     comment = Public temporary storage     path = /dka100/public/all      writeable = Yes      browsable = Yese     public = Yes     guest ok = Yes   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Feb 2001 07:56:33 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen):6 Subject: Re: Setting time on dual-boot VMS/Unix system3 Message-ID: <xg6hkYVT7xgt@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  g In article <3A993403.3584EFEA@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>, Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> writes:eG > I've been experimenting with dual-booting VMS and Tru64 on a DEC 3000eI > system and have to reset the time each time I switch operating systems. G > Tru64 says that the TOY clock has a preposterous value while VMS just O > asks me to enter the time again at the initial phase of bootup.  I'm guessing N > that these operating systems use the hardware TOY clock in their own way....
 > but why?  = VMS did something they claimed matched the clock chip design, < Tru64 did something to match the Unix tradition, Windows did: something that matched neither of the above to "innovate".   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:52:12 GMTd2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)6 Subject: Re: Setting time on dual-boot VMS/Unix system8 Message-ID: <0Rvm6.138$dl6.2080@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  g In article <3A993403.3584EFEA@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>, Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> writes:nF :I've been experimenting with dual-booting VMS and Tru64 on a DEC 3000H :system and have to reset the time each time I switch operating systems.F :Tru64 says that the TOY clock has a preposterous value while VMS justN :asks me to enter the time again at the initial phase of bootup.  I'm guessingM :that these operating systems use the hardware TOY clock in their own way....w	 :but why?a  M   Simply because the original groups of operating systems did not coordinate oJ   the time formats used in the BB_WATCH -- this was left as an OS-specificL   (unarchitected) feature.  This disparity is obvious a problem (only) when N   switching between operating systems, something that is and was not believed N   to be a regular occurance and not something that would warrant one (or more)I   of the operating systems changing the BB_WATCH format used to a common m   BB_WATCH time format...h  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:17:52 +0000t  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com9 Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'uH Message-ID: <OF04080252.4D806D37-ON802569FF.00433D0D@qedi.quintiles.com>  I Would be OK if Corel still owned WordPerfect as far as VMS was concerned.a= I thought they flogged it to someone else a few years back...   K It might take a fair amount of learning on Corel's part, given that most ofmI their stuff was PC based whereas the graphics in OpenVMS would have to beeJ centred around X.  CorelDraw on a VAXstation or AlphaStation at reasonable7 price would be cool though.  Knock the spots off Visio.-   Steve.   David Mathog commented:0K >>>Compaq really should buy Corel (asking price is approximately 0 dollars)cG and use it to provide a software base for the Alpha.  If Compaq doesn't4I spend the money nobody else will either.  Last time I used wordperfect itnG worked a lot better than StarOffice does.  Plus some of the programs incH Corel's stable are really very good, like CorelDraw.  Nothing I tried in* StarOffice was anywhere near that quality. <<<h   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Feb 2001 07:49:55 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n9 Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'r3 Message-ID: <VIewiO8f8Lke@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  R In article <97cd06$hcn$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes: > 6 > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message( > news:3A99AED0.5DF07890@infopuls.com... >  > ...e > A >> Unfortunately I have to agree. Although StarOffice is a Germane@ >> product it is not worth a penny. The company tried decades toB >> sell their library as a platform portable layer to other peopleB >> without any success because it was buggy (mostly implemented in9 >> the crap C/C++ languages), fat, slow and inconsistent.u > L > I'm not sure (nor do I much care) what your problem with C/C++ may be, butK > to suggest that whatever problems StarOffice may have is anything like an-M > inevitable result of using them is bullshit.  There are compilers availableaL > for them that generate correct code that performs well, and while they mayN > not offer the type safety of some languages, neither does assembler, and youM > would do well to recall that for at least much of its history (I don't knowcL > the situation today) significant portions of VMS were written in assembler> > (and IIRC significant additional portions are written in C). > I > Lousy software can be written in any language, and good software can bet8 > written in most, as long as the writers are competent.  I Good software can be written in safe languages as long as the writers are G competent.  Good software can be written in unsafe languages as long asm the writers are superhuman.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:14:27 +00000% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>o9 Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop't8 Message-ID: <o1ik9t8kdub7h8ucocj4nl8asm74gal3ne@4ax.com>  E On 26 Feb 2001 01:02:35 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  wrote:  , >fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: >d >> OpenVMS in desktop ?. > 
 >> - FireWiree. >PCI-Firewire cards available. Needs a driver. >n >> - DVD= >Yes, in the right box. Writing as well, from what Hoff said.d >t
 >> - CD-RW >Yes. PLus infoserver writing. >c >> - USBC >F888 no. Do you REALLY want to replace all your existing printers,s >modems, GPS,... etc etc?h  > There is an early USB kit available from the openVMS web site.   >e >> - Citrix client >Why?   B Citrix JAVA client works under VMS on Alpha. You can also use X to. redirect a metraframe session to VAX or Alpha.   >> - Star Office0 >Ask Sun. BTW, I have no use for such a package.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:17:47 +0000g% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>d9 Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop't8 Message-ID: <p5ik9to9cv2pvknqqu1e2nsdlutn1cbpvp@4ax.com>  A On 25 Feb 2001 19:23:22 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (Davidt Mathog) wrote:  u >In article <Zpbm6.11523$CW1.8866923@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:r >>; >>"Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagei) >>news:87n1baae6s.fsf@prep.synonet.com...s >><snip> >>> > - Star Office.3 >>> Ask Sun. BTW, I have no use for such a package.3 >>" >>I came, I installed, I deleted.  >h >Me too. >i' >>That said, Compaq has a team of folkssM >>working on StarOrifice for OpenVMS as we speak. This is an outside project,IH >>e.g. not formally sanctioned and not being done during regular workingL >>hours. For those who appreciate ye olde ironic twist, it would do O. HenryN >>proud to see Sun officeware running on an Alpha box when "Strategic Partner": >>Microsoft shafted DECpaq on the MS-Office on Alpha deal. >uJ >Compaq really should buy Corel (asking price is approximately 0 dollars) I >and use it to provide a software base for the Alpha.  If Compaq doesn't -K >spend the money nobody else will either.  Last time I used wordperfect it nI >worked a lot better than StarOffice does.  Plus some of the programs in AJ >Corel's stable are really very good, like CorelDraw.  Nothing I tried in + >StarOffice was anywhere near that quality.i >BM >They should also pay Opera for a port.  I'm not at all sure Mozilla is ever s >going to arrive...z  E Mozilla seems to be following its current release road map through totD 1.0. 0.8 on VMS is a lot faster than previous releases and is faster+ than Internet Explorer on almost all pages.   F AOL/Netscape made a mistake in releasing Netscape 6.0 based on MozillaA 0.6. It's given Netscape a terrible reputation because a released-' product is based on pre-beta test code.   	 >Regards,  >0
 >David Mathog= >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu@ >Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech K >************************************************************************** K >*                                RIP VMS                                 *nK >**************************************************************************/   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:21:16 -0500i* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>9 Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'n7 Message-ID: <Tvum6.20245$Yx4.742367@news6.giganews.com>P  - <steven.reece@quintiles.com> wrote in messageiB news:OF04080252.4D806D37-ON802569FF.00433D0D@qedi.quintiles.com... >X >rK > Would be OK if Corel still owned WordPerfect as far as VMS was concerned.'? > I thought they flogged it to someone else a few years back.../  7 Yes. Legacy Technologies, spun off of some company that_= was spun off of Spire, which had both Wordperfect & Lotus 123r? for VMS. Can't seem to find their web page but they WERE around B (physically) at least as of last week and still selling/supporting Wordperfect.  @ [Note: I don't use it myself but one of "our" products does have  the ability to use it...]   -Andy-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:48:11 -0600 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>9 Subject: RE: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'-- Message-ID: <0033000017163485000002L052*@MHS>j  < =0AThanks, Terry-  add that to the list of why Compaq should get out of that IP agreement.D   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETM* > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 12:50 PM8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET; > Subject: RE: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'o >t >r; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messaget) > news:87n1baae6s.fsf@prep.synonet.com...o > <snip> > > > - Star Officea3 > > Ask Sun. BTW, I have no use for such a package.. > H > I came, I installed, I deleted. That said, Compaq has a team of folks=  < > working on StarOrifice for OpenVMS as we speak. This is an > outside project,H > e.g. not formally sanctioned and not being done during regular workin= g8: > hours. For those who appreciate ye olde ironic twist, it > would do O. HenryB: > proud to see Sun officeware running on an Alpha box when > "Strategic Partner"3: > Microsoft shafted DECpaq on the MS-Office on Alpha deal. >o	 > cheers,m >rH > Terry "What do you call a Microsoft Business Partner? An ORGAN DONOR!= " 	 > Shannon- >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:25:54 -0500e- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>r9 Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'r4 Message-ID: <5lwm6.134138$Z2.1802970@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  5 "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> wrote in messagep1 news:Tvum6.20245$Yx4.742367@news6.giganews.com...e >...9 > Yes. Legacy Technologies, spun off of some company thati? > was spun off of Spire, which had both Wordperfect & Lotus 123eA > for VMS. Can't seem to find their web page but they WERE aroundGD > (physically) at least as of last week and still selling/supporting > Wordperfect. ...  D Try http://www.legacytech.net/Products/products.htm (not that I have5 anything to do with them, just had a bookmark handy)..   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:44:20 -0800K! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com  Subject: Re: Sun's 'Full Moon'D Message-ID: <OF911B6C96.7925429D-ON882569FF.0061618B@foundation.com>  : No, it's /predictable/ downtime. There's a big difference.   Shane=          H "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> on 02/21/2001 05:43:00 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn cc:g   Subject:  Re: Sun's 'Full Moon'R      7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message@' news:0033000016775828000002L082*@MHS...R  I Not to mention the fact that the Sun goes down once per day without fail.5 ;-) ;-)o  8 Umm, that's not "going down," that's SCHEDULED DOWNTIME.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:34:42 -0600t% From: "steve smith" <ssmith@lbpc.com>o Subject: TCPIP 5.0% Message-ID: <dlxm6.23$H61.516@client>   J I need to upgrade from 4.2 to 5.0 of tcpip, before going to AlphaVMs 7.2-1L on my ES40. Besides the patch for 5.0, is anyone aware of anything else that3 I need to check into before performing the upgrade.hK I plan to backup the system disk to a spare disk, boot off of the spare and ) upgrade it to tcpip 5.0, as a safety net.e   -- Steve Smith  Manager Technical Services Information Technology Law Bulletin Publishing Co.- (312)644-7807 Ext.137  (312)644-4355 Fax  ndelise@LBPC.com http://www.lawbulletin.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:08:04 -0600b+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> ; Subject: Testing "our of office" rule -- please ignore thisDL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0BDD53E6@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   I told you so...  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developera Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");u 'i  t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:04:31 -0500o0 From: "Craig S. Lombardi" <lombardi@ergosol.com>$ Subject: Re: UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP ???+ Message-ID: <3A9A707F.84EC9561@ergosol.com>k   Try the following:   $ define/system lpd_rcv 15 $ define/system lpd_debug 15  I I stumbled upon those investigating another problem with printcap.  In myiI UCX$PRINTCAP.DAT file, I couldn't receive anything to the spool directory 2 from an LPR client if the sd directive was set to:   ":sd=UCX$LPD_SPOOL:"   ...but it works fine withn   ":sd=/mysysdisk/sys0/ucx_lpd:"  J Took me a few days to figure this one out, anybody else ever been stung by this?aA In my config, I accepted install defaults in which UCX$ LPD_SPOOLmF translates to SYS$SPECIFIC:[UCX_LPD].  I installed several patches andE ECO's but they were no help.  This is on a DEC 4000 Model 300 runningt# OpenVMS/Alpha V6.1, UCX V4.2/ECO 4.   A When I turned on those debug logicals, my UCX$LPD_RCV_STARTUP.LOGe kept showing stuff like:  (   $       run sys$system:ucx$lpd_rcv.exe2   (lpd$recvjob.c/309) About to call recvinetd()...)   (lpd$recvjob.c/1486) Entering recvinetdt/   (lpd$recvjob.c/1497) About to use sizeof()...t5   (lpd$recvjob.c/1501) About to call getpeername()... -   (lpd$recvjob.c/312) About to call doit()...a"   Input Buffer Dump: (Length = 15)   \ 2UCX$LPD_QUEUE\ Ag=   (lpd$recvjob.c/459) Receive a job for printer UCX$LPD_QUEUEd&   (lpd$recvjob.c/743) Entering readjob"   Input Buffer Dump: (Length = 16)   \ 253 cfA582CHAMP\ A;   (lpd$recvjob.c/883) Receive control file cfA582CHAMP (53)v   (lpd$recvjob.c/892) CF first@   (lpd$recvjob.c/1240) getfilename UCX$LPD_SPOOL/cfA582CHAMP.DAT4   (lpd$recvjob.c/1119) Error creating file name st:1  F   %%%%%%%%%%%%                   26-FEB-2001 09:19:30.21  %%%%%%%%%%%%!   %UCX-E-LPD_FILERROR, File errorM0 UCX$LPD_SPOOL/cfA582CHAMP.DAT-SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, n ormal successful completionc    %   %UCX-E-LPD_FILERROR, File error !ASb:     UCX_LPD      job terminated at 26-FEB-2001 09:19:30.33  K In summary, my printcap entry (file UCX$PRINTCAP.DAT ) now looks like this:    #x # LOCAL PRINTERS #  UCX$LPD_QUEUE:\.         :lp=UCX$LPD_QUEUE:\O         :sd=/ad0/sys0/ucx_lpd:  I Hope this helps someone else!  After the fact, I recall reading somewherewJ that file names or logicals containing "$" can cause problems.  Maybe that# was the root cause of this problem.a     Marc Van den Eynden wrote:  	 > Hi all,  >g7 > How can I find out which printcap entry is too long ?u1 > Is there some sort of DEBUG logical I can set ?  >r > All I get is:n >d > 1. This OPCOM message: >n$ > Message from user INTERnet on xxxx7 > INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit  Status =l > %UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP > I > 2. Contents of a lot of UCX$LPD_RCV_STARTUP.LOG files (a new one each 57
 > seconds) >r > $       !@ > $       ! Run receiver.r > $       !:( > $       run sys$system:ucx$lpd_rcv.exe >UF > %%%%%%%%%%%%                    5-DEC-2000 17:17:48.84  %%%%%%%%%%%%/ > %UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP, Printcap entry too longa > / > %UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP, Printcap entry too long : >   UCX_LPD      job terminated at  5-DEC-2000 17:17:48.87 >C	 > -------y > If it matters: >tH > This is DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS AXP Version V4.0 - ECO Level 54 >   on a AlphaServer 1000 4/266 running OpenVMS V6.2	 > -------t >t > TIA, > Marc.t >i7 > (I know, I should upgrade to v5.x, but until then ??)a >g > -- > Marc Van den Eynden  >c > Siemens Business Services  > p/a Siemens Atea, Atealaan 34a > B-2200 Herentals, Belgiume >n: > # Above message 100% recyclable, if *you* do not print #   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Feb 2001 08:17:58 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)2O Subject: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine ...)g3 Message-ID: <v7nPQn3mgWfV@eisner.encompasserve.org>6  C In article <200102260559.NAA18148@pub>, mb65@asean-mail.com writes:@ >  > Removal instructions below.l   <spam body removed>A  
 > Mike BenderI > 888-532-8842  I The recording that answers this line says it is "Internet Professionals".e  ( > To be removed call: 888-800-6339 X1377  B The recording that answers this line says it is "1-800 Voicemail".  D From US residents these are "free" calls.  I use quotes because theyL are not really free, they are charged to the person who spammed comp.os.vms.  D So I would urge everyone (in the US) who wants a SPAM-free newsgroupD to call _both_ numbers and express that sentiment.  The spammer will cheerfully pay for the call.  F Of course the use of this type of number means the spammer may receiveG a record of the originating phone number, so you might want to make the G call from a number you never answer.  Incoming modem lines are good, ashG they _will_ answer calls placed to them (without disturbing humans) andBE cause the originator to be charge for the call.  Even better is a pay-F phone, since the spammer gets charged extra for calls he receives that originate from a pay phone.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:05:09 GMT-2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)S Subject: Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine ...)-8 Message-ID: <91wm6.146$dl6.2080@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  o In article <v7nPQn3mgWfV@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:-D :In article <200102260559.NAA18148@pub>, mb65@asean-mail.com writes: :> e :> Removal instructions below. :t :<spam body removed> :n :> Mike Bender :> 888-532-xxxxo :mJ :The recording that answers this line says it is "Internet Professionals". :r" :> To be removed call: 888-800-xxx :tB :The recording that answers this line says it is "1-800-xxxxxxx...  E :So I would urge everyone (in the US) who wants a SPAM-free newsgroupeE :to call _both_ numbers and express that sentiment.  The spammer will  :cheerfully pay for the call.m    L   You assume that this is not something that is targeting the owner of theseK   toll-free numbers -- by calling the number, you could be costing someone eI   that the spammer has targeted the money, and not costing the spammer...b    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:34:39 -0700k% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>c Subject: Re: Variables in DCL,) Message-ID: <3A9A151F.7B344954@rdrop.com>    Robert Deininger wrote:@ > G > In article <Q7Yl6.305493$w35.50378765@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, "Fatz"  > <fatz@fatz.com> wrote: > P > > > If you haven't already, get a copy of "Writing Real Programs in DCL".  TheM > > second edition (by the newgroups own Steve Hoffman) came out a year or solP > > ago.  Even after 15 years of DCL use, I still found this to be a very useful	 > > book.t > >a5 > > Is this a rewrite of Agnostopopopopolous' volume?  > M > I'm always worried about spelling that name right.  I see I needn't be. :-)g  = 'Anagnostopoulos'.  (But I cheat- the book's in front of me.)a  ? The foreword says he had been out of VMS for a while so Hoffmanl did most of the update work.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:59:51 +0100 5 From: "Stefan Klpfer" <stefan.kloepfer@de.bosch.com>e" Subject: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?5 Message-ID: <97cuvk$6of$1@proxy.fe.internet.bosch.de>    Hello,  8 can somebody please help me with the following question:  8 I have got a programme on a VAX that I would like to run under DOS or Windows.   ? How could I do it? Is there an emulator? Where could I find it?    Thank you very much, Stefan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:34:30 +0100a( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>& Subject: Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?& Message-ID: <3A9A1516.FA61AA59@cli.de>   "Stefan Klpfer" wrote:- >  > Hello, > : > can somebody please help me with the following question: > : > I have got a programme on a VAX that I would like to run > under DOS or Windows.D > A > How could I do it? Is there an emulator? Where could I find it?3 >  http://www.charon-vax.com/     -- t Die 10 Gebote: 279 Woerter5 Amerikanische Unabhaengigkeitserklaerung: 300 Woertere= Oesterreichische Konfituerenverordnung von 1995: 1871 Woertere  C B.Eckstein, TTi Entwicklungszentrum GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.deoC Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:24:10 +0100e5 From: "Stefan Klpfer" <stefan.kloepfer@de.bosch.com>S& Subject: Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?5 Message-ID: <97dhvu$mts$1@proxy.fe.internet.bosch.de>e  
 Thank you,  , I loaded down charon-vax-hobbyist-13569.zip., I understand that I will need the OS aswell.4 Where do I get it from? Is it free? How big in size?   Regards, Stefan   P.S.2 Was ist eine sterr. Konfitrenverordnung?????????   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:21:33 -0000t0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org>& Subject: Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?/ Message-ID: <t9km2tpcbs4vb0@corp.supernews.com>a  6 "Stefan Klopfer" <stefan.kloepfer@de.bosch.com> wrote:: > can somebody please help me with the following question:  : > I have got a programme on a VAX that I would like to run > under DOS or Windows.e  A > How could I do it? Is there an emulator? Where could I find it?    > Thank you very much, > Stefan   Stefan:W  E Check http://www.vaxemulator.com for more information but it requiresdD Windows NT 4/2000 and Linux operating system.  Also, I am developing6 my vax emulator at early developement stage right now.   -- Tim Stark   -- ., Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:25:17 -0000s0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org>& Subject: Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?/ Message-ID: <t9km9tliemnkfa@corp.supernews.com>o  6 "Stefan Klopfer" <stefan.kloepfer@de.bosch.com> wrote: > Thank you,  . > I loaded down charon-vax-hobbyist-13569.zip.. > I understand that I will need the OS aswell.6 > Where do I get it from? Is it free? How big in size?   Stefan:t  C You have join to DECUS first before you can order media kit for $30oE and get a free hobbyist license.  Charon-VAX is MicroVAX II emulator. F Its SID always is 0x80000000.  You need that to get a VMS license pak.  < Check http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist for more information.   -- Tim Stark   -- e, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:26:52 +0100 5 From: "Stefan Klpfer" <stefan.kloepfer@de.bosch.com>*& Subject: Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?5 Message-ID: <97dp3c$2ff$1@proxy.fe.internet.bosch.de>   ' Thanks a lot for all your valued input.d  * It sounds like quite a big effort for such+ a little programme that I would like to runn on a PC.  ( The little programme is an RCA assembler& for the microprocessor CDP 1802. Until. now I haven't been able to find a suitable DOS version of the VAX version.o   Regards, Stefanl   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:02:15 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?8 Message-ID: <r_vm6.145$dl6.2080@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  m In article <97dhvu$mts$1@proxy.fe.internet.bosch.de>, "Stefan Klpfer" <stefan.kloepfer@de.bosch.com> writes:l  - :I understand that I will need the OS aswell.p  ;   Ein OpenVMS verteilung installationssatz wird angfordert.   5 :Where do I get it from? Is it free? How big in size?A  ?   Sehen die FAQ, bitte.  Der liebhaber CD-ROM kostet einige DM.:  3 :Was ist eine sterr. Konfitrenverordnung?????????>  %   Ja, was ist "Konfitrenverordnung"?e  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:48:29 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>& Subject: Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?( Message-ID: <97e8ae$efm$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  ! A rule or law that discusses jam.   , Hoff Hoffman heeft geschreven in bericht ...G >In article <97dhvu$mts$1@proxy.fe.internet.bosch.de>, "Stefan Klpfer"m& <stefan.kloepfer@de.bosch.com> writes: >a. >:I understand that I will need the OS aswell. >s< >  Ein OpenVMS verteilung installationssatz wird angfordert. >u6 >:Where do I get it from? Is it free? How big in size? > @ >  Sehen die FAQ, bitte.  Der liebhaber CD-ROM kostet einige DM. >f4 >:Was ist eine sterr. Konfitrenverordnung????????? >r& >  Ja, was ist "Konfitrenverordnung"? >f' > ---------------------------- #include ' <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------eK >      For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com-+ > --------------------------- pure personale# opinion ---------------------------s0 >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >D   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:30:16 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)B Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000 VLC (was: Re: Starting from scratch.)8 Message-ID: <swvm6.136$dl6.2080@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  N   Subject changed to reflect the discussion -- please eschew generic subjects.  p In article <009F81D6.4841D7CB@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:G :If there was, you can bet that Compaq has done everything in its powerg :to remove it.    M   Brian, certain remarks might make certain folks disinclined to participate eK   in certain discussions.  (Donno what that statement might imply about me s.   and my level of, um, obstinence, though. :-)  8 :Your best bet might be to just ask your questions here.  N   As for the older documentation, I'll see what I can dredge up -- the volume M   of information is rather high, and not all of the older stuff is available,nK   and the effort involved in sorting out three major websites (and probablylI   various smaller sites) into a single site with something approaching a o3   semblance of order is a huge and on-going task...   M   I'll see if I can dig up a VAXstation 4000 VLC manual -- I have a hardcopy WL   of the user's (owner's) guide on my shelf, and there is a PDF of this bookJ   (EK-VAXVL-OG-B01) and of a service manual (V48VBSV1.PDF) around as well.J   If you cannot locate this on the website, let me know and I'll see about@   finding transfering the files out where you can get at them...  4   The primary VAX product links are associated with:  *     http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/vax/  K   As for the general question, please acquire the hobbyist distribution anddN   licenses (details via the FAQ), and install OpenVMS VAX V7.2 on this system.G   The FAQ also has pointers to various available hardware and software  F   resources.  Once the base VAXstation 4000 VLC is operating, install H   OpenVMS VAX V7.2 on it per the installation documentation -- you will M   likely also want to install the TCP/IP Services or third-party IP package, fK   and DECwindows (X Windows), on the system.  I've also a couple of workingBF   VAXstation 4000 VLC boxes in my pile of spare parts, for purposes of7   examining innards and cabling and such as required...r  N   I'll also see about putting up copies of what hardware documentation I have J   in my archives on the OpenVMS website, or potentially on the AlphaServer   (VAX) site...o  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:43:41 -0600 (CST): From: HEINS@lcms.org  Subject: Vertical windows in TPU) Message-ID: <01K0KA6SM64I91YCVT@lcms.org>   O Does anyone have a TPU procedure to do vertical windows? I used to have a VT330oL which allowed you to split the screen vertically between two sessions. There/ are times it would be nice to have this in TPU.a  	 Van Heins  Lutheran Church Missouri Synod D   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Feb 2001 07:54:42 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen). Subject: Re: VMS apps wishlist3 Message-ID: <31sEUs3mtc62@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  X In article <3A99A18B.158B72F3@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:A > Is there a chance to agree upon the most desirable programs forA > the VMS desktop?@ > I know - and I voted for that amongst others - that SAP is the > most needed business app. ? > We need a decent browser which is at least as good as IE. I'mr@ > using two OSs right now Linux and VMS but I plan to migrate as: > much as possible to VMS. So the question is will this be@ > possible for the bread and butter apps? Will it be possible to< > agree upon one item per app class? The apps should be open > source  N Sort of slipping that requirement in silently with no discussion, aren't you ?  ; > and available in a genuine VMS version (no compromises to  > UNIX flaws).  @ > Maybe we can collect some money from this NG to get Opera in aB > version which will even the Opera hater satisfy. I don't know if; > there is any chance to get the sources to make a real VMS3 > program out of it.  6 So open source is not really a requirement after all ?  F Think Pascal for the Macintosh is perhaps the best program I have everI encountered, and it was certainly not open source.  I want quality rathert than political afficilation   N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:41:33 GMT.* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> Subject: Re: VMS apps wishlist; Message-ID: <NOum6.6787$Op3.378737@news4.aus1.giganews.com>N  B Hmmm.... I don't see any "languages" listed (OR language toolkits)B or a language category [for those things some of us might want to ? use that are written in a language not provided by Compaq.... ]U  < While we already have Perl & PHP (I think) & Python, why not" something like Ruby or Smalltalk ?  8 Of course, I'm probably the only person interested in a / Smalltalk (or similar) environment for VMS [??]    -Andy-   ---:G The real romance is out ahead and yet to come. The computer revolution iG hasn't started yet. Don't be misled by the enormous flow of money into  H bad defacto standards for unsophisticated buyers using poor adaptations  of incomplete ideas. - Alan Kayu   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Feb 2001 15:41:49 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: VMS apps wishlist, Message-ID: <97dtft$5nt@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  X In article <3A99A18B.158B72F3@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:@ >Is there a chance to agree upon the most desirable programs for >the VMS desktop?M  H There is a very good chance that _we_ might agree upon it but clearly noH possibility at all that Compaq will ever support the idea by putting $$$J behind it.  So have fun with your list, just don't expect anything to come of it.    ? >I know - and I voted for that amongst others - that SAP is thei >most needed business app.; >We need a decent browser which is at least as good as IE. h  D Obviously - to everybody.  But Compaq has thrown in its lot with theI "never quite soup yet" Mozilla.  Presumably they're doing this because iteJ makes it _appear_ that they have an interest in providing a browser (whichH all of us Netscape 3.03 users know is not at all the case) yet it allows7 their true investment in the project to be negligible. l   >I'm? >using two OSs right now Linux and VMS but I plan to migrate asr >much as possible to VMS.   I For desktop apps?  You're clearly going in the wrong direction.  You can  H already get a variety of desktop applications for Linux, and the number ; there is growing rapidly.  Neither statement holds for VMS.u  ? >Maybe we can collect some money from this NG to get Opera in ae2 >version which will even the Opera hater satisfy.   K Opera is actually a pretty good browser.  Certainly no worse than Netscape -E 6.  If Compaq actually was serious about providing a browser we woulda already have Opera on VMS.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu.? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech 8J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:03:36 -08008, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: VMS apps wishlist4 Message-ID: <97duog$ovebq$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  5 "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> wrote in message05 news:NOum6.6787$Op3.378737@news4.aus1.giganews.com...h >a9 > Of course, I'm probably the only person interested in ar1 > Smalltalk (or similar) environment for VMS [??]  > F no you are not.  i'm an eiffel fan and it is available on vms, but tooD costly for me personaly and can't convince my boss to spring for it.F (but i keep working on him, too bad his boss writes it off as a "cult" language).  but fyi, look at:r  7 http://eiffel.com/products/prices/detailed_pricing.html-   jim-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:39:07 -0500w% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>- Subject: Re: VMS apps wishlist/ Message-ID: <t9l1m7abv7ecdd@news.supernews.com>n  L Step 1 should be the infrastructure.  Compaq should throw money at TrollTech1 to get a working implementation of Qt on OpenVMS.0  6 "Christof Brass" <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message& news:3A99A18B.158B72F3@infopuls.com...A > Is there a chance to agree upon the most desirable programs fore > the VMS desktop?@ > I know - and I voted for that amongst others - that SAP is the > most needed business app.r? > We need a decent browser which is at least as good as IE. I'mo@ > using two OSs right now Linux and VMS but I plan to migrate as: > much as possible to VMS. So the question is will this be@ > possible for the bread and butter apps? Will it be possible to< > agree upon one item per app class? The apps should be openB > source and available in a genuine VMS version (no compromises to > UNIX flaws). >c > List of app classesn >f	 > browserh > email client
 > news reader  > editor > text processingl > spread sheet
 > database > presentation >-@ > Maybe we can collect some money from this NG to get Opera in aB > version which will even the Opera hater satisfy. I don't know if; > there is any chance to get the sources to make a real VMS. > program out of it. > First round: extend this listh? > Second round: add examples of good example apps to each classI, > Third round: vote for the best/most wanted > Fourth round: get the appn >u > First round is open!   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:27:05 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)< Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.:0 Message-ID: <009F8345.9A199E25@SendSpamHere.ORG>  t In article <6Plm6.11815$CW1.9296284@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > : >"Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote in message9 >news:hshubs-3FD2A5.23130425022001@news.mindspring.com...h@ >> In article <pzhm6.11740$CW1.9124234@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,9 >>  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  >>K >> >Well, like my late mother (who was never late when she was alive) said,v >"IfJ >> >wishes were horses all beggars would ride." It would be real tough for >CPQD >> >to smash u$oft with VMS since u$oft has access to the IP via the >technology- >> >> Access to the IP?  What?e >oL >Intellectual property. The technology cross-licensing agreement between DECG >and u$oft under the August 1995 "Alliance for Enterprise Computing" is$ >far-reaching indeed.c  I What technology did/does DEC/Compaq get from M$?  Perhaps, how to producesJ buggier products and rush them to hapless customers before they are really* ready to ship?  Yeah, I'm all for that! ;(  I Compaq purchased DEC after the DEC agreement.  Why do they perpetuate it?-, Did they (Compaq) ink a similar agreement?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMO            gO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Feb 2001 07:43:55 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)l Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.o3 Message-ID: <ysEzrWdZG8bT@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  t In article <p9em6.11670$CW1.8979795@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messaget, > news:871ysma6dz.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com...9 >> "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:. >>D >> > I came, I installed, I deleted. That said, Compaq has a team ofE >> > folks working on StarOrifice for OpenVMS as we speak. This is an E >> > outside project, e.g. not formally sanctioned and not being donen" >> > during regular working hours. >>B >> Hum, perhaps it is time for a 'what do folks want on VMS' list. >> > I > Not a bad idea. Back in the good old days, the DECUS US Chapter VAX SIGtK > maintained a System Improvement Request (SIR) list for this very purpose.s > L > Until such time as Compaq (or someone) elects to implement a wishlist, the: > best thing I can think of to do is submit suggestions at > www.compaqworkinggroup.org.n  K What _I_ want for VMS is for somebody to fix that site so voting works with K secured browsers.  I tried again this morning and it _still_ gives an errorrL message saying (page http://compaqworkinggroup.org/JavascriptCheck.cfm) that JavaScript is required.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:02:22 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: VMS wanted list. 9 Message-ID: <ytsm6.143$141.21290@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>-  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:ysEzrWdZG8bT@eisner.encompasserve.org...a   >hH > What _I_ want for VMS is for somebody to fix that site so voting works withG > secured browsers.  I tried again this morning and it _still_ gives an  error I > message saying (page http://compaqworkinggroup.org/JavascriptCheck.cfm)e that > JavaScript is required.u  8 Noted and passed along to Smith, Bucklin and Associates.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:35:09 +0000e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>e Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.a) Message-ID: <3A9A77AD.75109A63@bbc.co.uk>m   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:C   >0 >UM > Intellectual property. The technology cross-licensing agreement between DECnH > and u$oft under the August 1995 "Alliance for Enterprise Computing" is > far-reaching indeed.  M Given the little use that u$oft seem to have made of said IP, can we conclude C that this was another clever tactic to cripple to opposition (VMS)?      --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukt  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of? MedAS or the BBC.g   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Feb 2001 16:48:42 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.eH Message-ID: <y4itlx1m3p.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:w  M > What _I_ want for VMS is for somebody to fix that site so voting works with-M > secured browsers.  I tried again this morning and it _still_ gives an erroraN > message saying (page http://compaqworkinggroup.org/JavascriptCheck.cfm) that > JavaScript is required.n  J When an online bank returns a blank page if you accidentally [sic(k)] haveI JavaScript disabled, without so much as a peep, what else can you expect?H   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:47:47 -0600.* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: VMS wanted list.:- Message-ID: <0033000017154632000002L022*@MHS>s  ? =0AIf Compaq doesn't have the entire source code to Windows (no 8 MICA jokes, please) and a complete API roadmap(including> all the hidden stuff that the Borg of Redmond won't share withC outsiders) then IMHO they should sue MS for breaching the agreementJB and have the whole thing declared null and void in a court of law.   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET * > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 11:24 PM8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET > Subject: RE: VMS wanted list.t >e >H? > In article <pzhm6.11740$CW1.9124234@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,-8 >  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: >1= > >Well, like my late mother (who was never late when she wasj > alive) said, "If? > >wishes were horses all beggars would ride." It would be real6 > tough for CPQ.? > >to smash u$oft with VMS since u$oft has access to the IP via- > the technology >c > Access to the IP?  What? > -- > Howard S ShubsF > "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!" >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:09:57 +0000t- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>t Subject: Re: VMS wanted list. ) Message-ID: <3A9A7FD5.62B4417B@bbc.co.uk>    WILLIAM WEBB wrote:m  > > If Compaq doesn't have the entire source code to Windows (no: > MICA jokes, please) and a complete API roadmap(including@ > all the hidden stuff that the Borg of Redmond won't share withE > outsiders) then IMHO they should sue MS for breaching the agreementoD > and have the whole thing declared null and void in a court of law.  F yeah, then they could abstract the GUI stuff which is what people want fromA the horrible mess underneath and bolt on VMS ar unix under there.e  B Dream on, u$oft doesn't even document the programming interface to Windowz,# as far as I have been able to tell.e   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukb  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:33:50 -0500 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.e+ Message-ID: <3A9AA18E.89A26EB4@rtfmcsi.com>    Tim Llewellyn wrote:   [...snip...]   >pD > Dream on, u$oft doesn't even document the programming interface to
 > Windowz,% > as far as I have been able to tell.n >t  G I an attest to that.  I have also verified through a painful first handtJ experience that some of the Win32 API functions that are documented do notG function as documented.  For example, after having taken a serious romp G through the security functions in the Win32 Platform SDK, I was able to0D determine that ACL inheritance on Win2K operates in a manner that isG subtly different from how it is documented.  This difference is more ornG less invisible if you use the high level security API functions, but ithG becomes painfully obvious if you are trying replicate the processing of J ACL inheritance with the low level security API functions.  Now, you mightC ask why would one want to got back to an older API with rudimentaryoG functions, and the answer is that the high level security API functions-G don't work properly across the WinNT/Win2K boundary.  Writing code thatfI runs on WinNT and makes changes to ACLs on a remote Win2K system requireseF the use of the low level security API functions if you want to make itG work properly.  Apparently, the Windows Explorer and REGEDT32.EXE stillaC use the low level security API functions because of this exact samehI problem and there is not a single bit of acknowledgement from Micro$shaft  that this problem even exists.     -- Chuck Choppa  8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager7                                   8007740718@skytel.como   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:47:06 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)O Subject: Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop' 8 Message-ID: <eMvm6.137$dl6.2080@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  _ In article <871ysma6dz.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:s7 :"Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  :sB :> I came, I installed, I deleted. That said, Compaq has a team ofC :> folks working on StarOrifice for OpenVMS as we speak. This is ansC :> outside project, e.g. not formally sanctioned and not being donei  :> during regular working hours.  F   I'm familiar with some of the internal discussions around StarOfficeH   and of a port...  As I have noted before, this port is a huge project I   -- and the "not during regular hours" part needs to be stressed.  This aH   port may or may not ever see the light, and I would be remiss to offer3   anything even approaching a schedule or a plan...o  @ :Hum, perhaps it is time for a 'what do folks want on VMS' list.     Um, (respectfully) no...  I   Folks around here do have a good idea of the common requests -- I have =E   been working to make sure commonly-requested tools are available...n  J   Perhaps it is time for a `how can we help you port it?' list, instead...  K   Like most any commercial software organization, OpenVMS Engineering does eJ   not have the cycles available to port everything for everyone...  (I am I   hesitant to offer to coordinate such an effort, as I'm already working a.   regularly in this area with the Freeware...)  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:03:52 -0500 * From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>O Subject: Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'e7 Message-ID: <mUwm6.20786$Yx4.760881@news6.giganews.com>n  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message-2 news:eMvm6.137$dl6.2080@gazette.loc1.tandem.com...  L >   Perhaps it is time for a `how can we help you port it?' list, instead...  < If it weren't for the extremely helpful comp.os.vms denizens4 (Compaq & otherwise) & the OpenVMS FAQ & VMS Wizards: a "people [willing to be |to] pester" list would be useful< when we want to port something (Or are contemplating porting= something) and need answers to things we can't find ourselvesgB (and can't use normal support channels to get due to the hobbiest/; non-work related nature there-of) would be high on my list.h   -Andy-   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Feb 2001 12:29:46 GMT From: kqhcjs@safesurf.org Y Subject: Watch out folks.............................please read                          5 Message-ID: <3a9a4c3a$7_3@plato.netscapeonline.co.uk>a  ) Dare you take your computer to be fixed.?e  2 Watch out you, are YOU being checked..............    Have you viewed illegal pictures  / You're in Serious Trouble - It's a Proven Fact!l  : Deleting "Internet Cache and History" will NOT protect you? because any of the Web Pages, Pictures, Movies, Videos, Sounds,lM E-mail, Chat Logs and Everything Else you see or do could easily be recoveredc  Y This is the answer................... http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/go.shtml?A653704u  X yrgfidtgplofccwqpjslsskxtlfccgoxyochhsmrtssohuuuqseiiccdtrpjosjzjmzjmxpcffnkgkgnfsylnurs   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:35:24 +0000 5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com>i( Subject: RE: Wide Drives on narrow shelfN Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D51B@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  E If the shelf has a personality module then it's wide (BA356) and willeL support wide disks, the personality module just either gives the whole 16 orL just 8 bits to the o/s.  If it's narrow and the scsi plugs directly into the? backplane then its a BA350 and wide disks won't work full stop.*  I Also there can be probs if mixing old narrow disks with new wide disks as L the flex strips in the SBB's are incompatible, it mostly happens with RZ26's and early 28's.-   -----Original Message-----< From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz [mailto:rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz]( Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 11:28 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comb( Subject: Re: Wide Drives on narrow shelf    3 I think this can depend on the flavour of SW Shelf.6A On our HSD Served Disks there's an 8 bit adapter that fits in theoD shelf. The HSD Cables connect to the IO Module adapter, not directly
 to the shelf.[F The firmware on the Disk Controller can also refuse to see disks if it pre-dates the disks.> We have VWs and UltraSCSI attached to our HSD which is narrow.8 Yep, we could upgrade but this is a "legacy" system.....    E On 23 Feb 2001 03:09:25 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ wrote:   >i> >Why do wide drives not work in a narrow SW shelf? I have used= >wides in a narrow string with a widget with out trouble, butc. >the -VWs are not even seen in a narrow shelf. >t >-- = >Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,t8 >+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.A >                                             West Australia 6076n/ >Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:38:05 +0000o- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>I( Subject: Re: Wide Drives on narrow shelf) Message-ID: <3A9A785D.69D6C99D@bbc.co.uk>n   "Steeples, Oliver" wrote:   G > If the shelf has a personality module then it's wide (BA356) and will N > support wide disks, the personality module just either gives the whole 16 orN > just 8 bits to the o/s.  If it's narrow and the scsi plugs directly into theA > backplane then its a BA350 and wide disks won't work full stop.b >iK > Also there can be probs if mixing old narrow disks with new wide disks as N > the flex strips in the SBB's are incompatible, it mostly happens with RZ26's > and early 28's.e  I Sure, but the flex strips can be replaced with compatible ones. Guess howiP I discovered that ...? Actually, but watching Field Service replace incompatible   ones.    --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uks  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:43:00 -06001* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>( Subject: RE: Wide Drives on narrow shelf- Message-ID: <0033000017162694000002L042*@MHS>.   =0A> -----Original Message-----t1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETe* > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:56 AM8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET* > Subject: RE: Wide Drives on narrow shelf >4 >2 > "Steeples, Oliver" wrote:  >I8 > > If the shelf has a personality module then it's wide > (BA356) and will: > > support wide disks, the personality module just either > gives the whole 16 ors> > > just 8 bits to the o/s.  If it's narrow and the scsi plugs > directly into thedC > > backplane then its a BA350 and wide disks won't work full stop.  > > ? > > Also there can be probs if mixing old narrow disks with newo > wide disks as < > > the flex strips in the SBB's are incompatible, it mostly > happens with RZ26'sd > > and early 28's.s >9; > Sure, but the flex strips can be replaced with compatiblee > ones. Guess howl= > I discovered that ...? Actually, but watching Field Service  > replace incompatible >h > ones.l > @    How'd they do that without ruining those silver WARRANTY VOIDB    IF REMOVED labels?   That would be a trick I'd like to see. ;-)  	    WWWebbt   > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uka >cC > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of- > MedAS or the BBC.b >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:59:49 +0000l- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>y( Subject: Re: Wide Drives on narrow shelf) Message-ID: <3A9A8B85.67CAA453@bbc.co.uk>.   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:y   >h= > > Sure, but the flex strips can be replaced with compatiblel > > ones. Guess how.? > > I discovered that ...? Actually, but watching Field Service. > > replace incompatible > >y	 > > ones.i > >nB >    How'd they do that without ruining those silver WARRANTY VOIDD >    IF REMOVED labels?   That would be a trick I'd like to see. ;-) >p >    WWWebba >  >>  D well, it was Field Service and I can't remember whether they put new stickers on, sorry. Several years back.     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofm MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.114 ************************at > www.compaqworkinggroup.org.n  K What _I_ want for VMS is for somebody to fix that site so voting works with K secured browsers.  I tried again this morning and it _still_ gives an errorrL message saying (page http://compaqworkinggroup.org/JavascriptCheck.cfm) that JavaScript is required.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:02:22 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: VMS wanted list. 9 Message-ID: <y