1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 27 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 116       Contents: Re: 3100/4000 Monitor A Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? A Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? @ Re: Alpha: game over. Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid  Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid  Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid  Re: Creating a Print Queue DCL content (long)% Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize! % Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize! % Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize!  Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt RE: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt RE: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt Re: DEC Alpha's - Free TShirt ' Re: Drop C/C++ better sooner than later ' RE: Drop C/C++ better sooner than later  Re: forum.compaq.com Re: FTP Woes Re: FTP Woes (problem solved) & Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?& Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? Re: Janitor fixes 90L  Re: Janitor fixes 90L  Re: Janitor fixes 90L  Re: Janitor fixes 90L  Re: Janitor fixes 90L  Re: Janitor fixes 90L  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations P Luminescent Pickles, Electromagnetic Beam Weapons, What'll the DFWCUG Unveil in & re: Machine check while in kernel mode7 Re: Need to get new mail count ? with a pipe expression + PCSI kits - where was a specific kit built? / Re: PCSI kits - where was a specific kit built?   Re: Possible security hole in...  Re: Possible security hole in...  Re: Possible security hole in...  Re: Possible security hole in...' Re: QUESTION: BZIP2 For OpenVMS Anyone? ' Re: QUESTION: BZIP2 For OpenVMS Anyone?  Replacement for PrintServer 32" Re: Replacement for PrintServer 32  Re: Samba on OpenVMS & passwords  Re: Samba on OpenVMS & passwords0 Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'0 Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'? Sun Blade 100 with a VMS monitor ? (was: Low cost workstations) C Re: Sun Blade 100 with a VMS monitor ? (was: Low cost workstations) C Re: Sun Blade 100 with a VMS monitor ? (was: Low cost workstations) 
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 Tivoli on VMS  Re: UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP ??? I Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search	Engine...) I Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search	Engine...) I Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search	Engine...) E Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine K Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine  ...) J Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine ...)J Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine ...)J Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine ...)J Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine ...)H Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High SearchEngine...) Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win? # Re: vms 5.5 on vax 4000-200 problem * Re: VMS and other platforms in the SAN box Re: VMS apps wishlist  Re: VMS apps wishlist  Re: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list. Re: VMS wanted list.F Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'F Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'F Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'F Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'F Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'F Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop' Re: VX1 and PC164LX  [info] PCSI restriction   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:56:13 +0100 . From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk> Subject: Re: 3100/4000 Monitor, Message-ID: <97gt46$25p$1@news.inet.tele.dk>  3 Harold Screven <hscreven@home.com> wrote in message : news:%WFm6.479252$U46.14316930@news1.sttls1.wa.home.com... > I B > am looking for a list of acceptable PC type monitors that can beB > used with a 3100 or 4000.  I suspect the only monitors that will> > work will have to support sync on green and an adapter cableC > will be required.  Anybody that has done this successfully please % > let me know what you used.  Thanks.   E I built a piece of electronics, which can separate the horizontal and J vertical sync signals from the green signal. It works absolutely fine, andF if you're interested, I could provide a scanned copy of my handwritten; schematics (it's not too complicated, about 20 components).        Best regards     Jesper Naur    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Feb 2001 17:47:50 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) J Subject: Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?, Message-ID: <97gp86$2a7d$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  , In article <3A9AE8F8.39BD486A@infopuls.com>,,  Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: |>> |> Pentium is not far from i586 because it resembles the GreekA |> penta for five like in pentagon. I'm sure in a few years we'll > |> look back at this aera and think that giving these phantasy$ |> names was a very silly attitude.   D Not to mention the fact that Intel already had an i586 chip in theirC stable and were probably concerned over possible confussion between  it and the processor.   B |>                                  I prefer meaningful names like |> VMS or VAX. 	  ; Meaningful to who??  I just asked around the department and ; ended up with less than a 50% success rate.  And VAX scored = higher than VMS with most even knowing that it refered to the % difference between it and the PDP-11.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:17:09 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>J Subject: Re: Alpha: game over.  Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?* Message-ID: <3A9BEF25.B52DED8F@uk.sun.com>   Carl Perkins wrote:  > + > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes... 4 > }On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:52:30 -0600, "Main, Kerry"! > }<Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote: 
 > }>David, > }>L > }>I know you have been a very strong supporter of OpenVMS in the past, so,@ > }>imho, I feel it is unfortunate that you are now so anti-VMS. > } N > }>Hopefully, at some point in the future, you will have a chance to re-visit > }>some of these decisions. > }  > }Kerry and David,  > } < > }Has there been any contact between VMS engineering and/orA > }sales/advocates and David Mathog to try and provide a workable H > }affordable VMS solution? Most organizations that were actually reallyG > }serious about their products would be jumping at the chance to solve D > }the highly specific criticisms leveled in this case. Even if that? > }meant *spending real money*  and dedicating time and effort.  > }--  > }Alan  > A > That is only the case if the problem really is a problem. David B > thinks it is. A lot of people here agree with him (including, toE > some extent, me). That doesn't mean we are correct. It also doesn't G > mean that the upper management at Compaq agrees. If they don't agree, B > then why would they spend real money to solve what they think is > not a problem? > G > It is also the case that they *have* done some work to solve the cost G > problem. You can buy a fully functiounal DS10 system running VMS in a H > decent configuration for under $8000. Compare this to the cheapest VMSL > based system you could buy 5 years ago and I think you'll find a reductionK > in the entry level system cost of nearly a half. It would be good if they L > could cut it in half again, but they may not think that this is necessary. >   4 This sounds great but isn't because the market that 2 OpenVMS operates in has moved much further than a 3 halving in cost for an entry level system over the   same five year period.  3 Just to put the OpenVMS DS10 pricing in perspective 1 you can get a SunBlade 100 with Solaris 8 for 995 	 dollars.    3 Alternatively if you really want to spend 8,000 you # could buy a 750 Mhz SunBlade 1000.       Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:58:25 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com I Subject: Re: Alpha: game over. Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? D Message-ID: <OF4BA7880F.EC9ADC8E-ON88256A00.006807C0@foundation.com>  J I was under the impression they got burned with the 486 because they foundG out too late that they couldn't copyright a number. Anyone could make a G chip called a 486. With a name it's a different matter - only Intel can 0 make Pentiums. Insert obvious punchline here....   Shane           E bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) on 02/27/2001 09:47:50 AM   & Please respond to bill@cs.scranton.edu   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   J Subject:  Re: Alpha: game over. Was RE: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?    , In article <3A9AE8F8.39BD486A@infopuls.com>,,  Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: |>> |> Pentium is not far from i586 because it resembles the GreekA |> penta for five like in pentagon. I'm sure in a few years we'll > |> look back at this aera and think that giving these phantasy# |> names was a very silly attitude.   D Not to mention the fact that Intel already had an i586 chip in theirC stable and were probably concerned over possible confussion between  it and the processor.   B |>                                  I prefer meaningful names like |> VMS or VAX.  ; Meaningful to who??  I just asked around the department and ; ended up with less than a 50% success rate.  And VAX scored = higher than VMS with most even knowing that it refered to the % difference between it and the PDP-11.    bill   --J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:18:16 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>$ Subject: Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid* Message-ID: <3A9BE158.ED93E98E@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > m > In article <OFD7A88DC3.A2724D10-ON802569F8.0058709B@qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:  > >  > > L > > Having made a similar mistake to Arne, I went and re-read Rob's posting.= > > It wasn't the Register article reporting the win it was : = > > http://www.apac.edu.au/communication_media/media_releases . > > /Web%20press%20release%2014%20Feb%2001.pdf > >  > > My apologies to Rob.
 > > Steve. > >  > ; >         In a related note, makes this exchange with Sun's E >         premiere Enterprise Architect particularly interesting, eh?  >   % Actually no it does not, does it Rob.   & Your suggestion was that the E10KS had& failed their acceptance tests because " of the eCache issues. That wasn't  the case was it.    $ Incedentally it is quite common for % HPC systems to fail their acceptance  % tests for performance reasons, one of ( the first customers for E10K's in Europe( replaced an Origin 2000 cluster that had+ failed its acceptance tests for performance  reasons.  - The only interesting thing about the exchange * we had was you ability to attribute blame ) based on zero evidence, a characteristic  ( that you have demonstrated consistently  over the last 4-5 years.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Feb 2001 12:52:57 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) $ Subject: Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid3 Message-ID: <cP9sZfkUIkQF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3A9BE158.ED93E98E@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  > Rob Young wrote: >>  n >> In article <OFD7A88DC3.A2724D10-ON802569F8.0058709B@qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes: >> > >> >M >> > Having made a similar mistake to Arne, I went and re-read Rob's posting. > >> > It wasn't the Register article reporting the win it was :> >> > http://www.apac.edu.au/communication_media/media_releases/ >> > /Web%20press%20release%2014%20Feb%2001.pdf  >> > >> > My apologies to Rob.  >> > Steve.  >> > >>  < >>         In a related note, makes this exchange with Sun'sF >>         premiere Enterprise Architect particularly interesting, eh? >>   > ' > Actually no it does not, does it Rob.  >   @ 	What doesn't?  Two can trim all relevant content to make thingsA 	appear however they wish.  Now what was the question or whatever  	again?    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:54:41 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com $ Subject: Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bidD Message-ID: <OFF6FA35DF.ABB5F69A-ON88256A00.0067BFE4@foundation.com>  J Only Andrew could beat someone up for making an incorrect assumption, then4 reveal that the truth was easily as damaging..... :)   Shane             D andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 02/27/2001 09:18:16 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   % Subject:  Re: Compaq wins APAC re-bid      Rob Young wrote: > J > In article <OFD7A88DC3.A2724D10-ON802569F8.0058709B@qedi.quintiles.com>," steven.reece@quintiles.com writes: > >  > > C > > Having made a similar mistake to Arne, I went and re-read Rob's  posting.= > > It wasn't the Register article reporting the win it was : = > > http://www.apac.edu.au/communication_media/media_releases . > > /Web%20press%20release%2014%20Feb%2001.pdf > >  > > My apologies to Rob.
 > > Steve. > >  > ; >         In a related note, makes this exchange with Sun's E >         premiere Enterprise Architect particularly interesting, eh?  >   % Actually no it does not, does it Rob.   & Your suggestion was that the E10KS had% failed their acceptance tests because ! of the eCache issues. That wasn't  the case was it.  # Incedentally it is quite common for $ HPC systems to fail their acceptance% tests for performance reasons, one of ( the first customers for E10K's in Europe( replaced an Origin 2000 cluster that had+ failed its acceptance tests for performance  reasons.  - The only interesting thing about the exchange ) we had was you ability to attribute blame ( based on zero evidence, a characteristic' that you have demonstrated consistently  over the last 4-5 years.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:40:41 +0000 3 From: Adam Dawkins <donotreply@interbulletin.bogus> # Subject: Re: Creating a Print Queue 1 Message-ID: <3A9B8429.428A539F@interbulletin.com>    Thanks.     : "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> wrote in article + <9Rsm6.134100$Z2.1801344@nnrp1.uunet.ca> :   >$ mcr ucx$lprsetup  >  >Follow the add configuration. > / >When it asks for local or remote select remote I >Enter the NT server name for the remote server (make sure name is in VMS  >HOSTS database)8 >Enter the NT SHARED printer name for the remote printer > / >Select any other options you require for flags  > A >"Adam Dawkins" <donotreply@interbulletin.bogus> wrote in message , >news:3A9A3A35.684B9A9C@interbulletin.com...M >> Does anybody know how to create an output queue on VMS that prints via LDP K >to a Windows Print Queue.  I have a requirement to print data from the VMS " >server to the Windows NT Network. >>! >> Any help would be appreciated.  >>	 >> Thanks  >> Adam.Dawkins@boseurope.com  >>2 >> _______________________________________________> >> Submitted via WebNewsReader of http://www.interbulletin.com >> >  >   / _______________________________________________ ; Submitted via WebNewsReader of http://www.interbulletin.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:04:35 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  Subject: DCL content (long) 5 Message-ID: <01K0M88KWNCY00ACL5@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>   Q Folks, there has been so little VMS content here lately (in the old days bits of rN code), that I thought I might throw some in.  Meritorious or not ... what the Q hell.  (And I am as bad as many for jumping in on u$shaft content and saying "me v too".)  . Just trying to get c.o.v. back to what it was.  S Not brilliant code, but it works for me and its what the old c.o.v was all about.  -L If anyone ever uses and would like to give me comments, I'm more than happy.  Q I think wrapping has screwed up (80 character screen when I mailed), but I would  Q love to see some part of c.o.v. on the old straight and narrow.  If anyone feels o$ mildly interested, I am contactable.  P Sorry it may be so long and boring to many, but I have found some of the recent R lack of c.o.v. real content boring too (and frowned on by my management -- I have , to demonstrate a work need for this access).   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,s
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiae   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,8; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.o     *****  $ v = 'f$verify(0)' 5 $ if P1 .nes. "UTILITY_USAGE" then goto SKIP_COMMENTSf $f= $! CHECK_COMMAND.COM	Author: Paddy O'Brien		Revised: May 1993a $a $ type/page SYS$INPUThA 	Checks a list of possible commands to ascertain the presence ando 	position of an input command.  @ 	Usage: @COM_UTILITY:CHECK_COMMAND Specific_command Command_list  M Specific_command.  The command to be tested for its presence in Command_list. F 	As a command may include qualifiers, these are omitted from the test.O Command_list.  A string of commands separated by "/".  A "*" may be used, as in H 	DCL symbol assignment, for the minimum unambiguous comparison length of 	each.   Global Symbols Assigned:E 	FOUND_COMMAND - integer/logical.  If the command has been found, its|A 		value is (NELEMENT-1)*10+1, which is a). TRUE, and b). valid ine> 		f$element(FOUND_COMMAND/10,"/","Command_list") to obtain the 		command from the list. $ exit $a $ SKIP_COMMENTS: $	FOUND_COMMAND == 03 $	on CONTROL_Y then exit %X10000008 + 0*f$verify(v)e $	COMMAND = f$element(0,"/",P1)r $	COMLEN = f$length(COMMAND)# $	if COMLEN .eq. 0 then goto RETURNA $	NELEMENT = 0 $D $ LOOP:5$ $	CTEST = f$element(NELEMENT,"/",P2)% $	if CTEST .eqs. "/" then goto RETURN4 $	NELEMENT = NELEMENT + 1i $	CMIN = f$element(0,"*",CTEST)n $	CMIN_LEN = f$length(CMIN) < $	if f$extract(0,CMIN_LEN,COMMAND) .nes. CMIN then goto LOOP $	CMAX = f$element(1,"*",CTEST)h $	if CMAX .nes. "*"p $	then $		CMAX = CMIN + CMAXt $		CMAX_LEN = f$length(CMAX)1 $		if COMLEN .lt. CMAX_LEN then CMAX_LEN = COMLENaE $		if f$extract(0,CMAX_LEN,COMMAND) .nes. f$extract(0,CMAX_LEN,CMAX)   then goto LOOP $	endift$ $	FOUND_COMMAND == (NELEMENT-1)*10+1 $  $ RETURN: v = f$verify(v)s   *****c $ v = 'f$verify(0)'s5 $ if P1 .nes. "UTILITY_USAGE" then goto SKIP_COMMENTS  $ @ $! CHECK_FILE.COM	Author: Paddy O'Brien		Revised: September 1998 $  $!	Command Utilities: PAUSEs $h $ type/page SYS$INPUTsH 	Checks whether every file specified exists; if no file is specified, it% 	is prompted for in interactive mode.s  C 	Usage: @COM_UTILITY:CHECK_FILE [File_Spec] [List_file[/Qualifier]]g  J File_Spec.  A file name or names separated by the concatenation charactersG 	("," and/or "+").  It may include the wildcard character ("*") and theiH 	DCL qualifier separator ("/") depending on subsequent usage.  Any otherF 	special characters are acceptable iff allowed by the f$parse lexical.L A default type can be entered as a local symbol - FILE_TYPE - in the callingF 	command file, e.g. .LIS or .FOR (the period is provided, if omitted).G 	It is included for any file in the specification not explicitly typed.Q& 	If omitted, the default type is .DAT.  M List_file.  The optional name of a file which is created and contains a list,tF 	on consecutive lines, of the valid files with any relevant positionalF 	qualifiers.  This can be read subsequently to create a loop ending onA 	read/end=.  Its main use is when the application does not acceptrE 	wildcards and/or concatenation (e.g. DCL's FORTRAN or LIBRARY).  ThehG 	default file_type is .DAT and a calling command file should delete it.e   	Qualifier (positional):9 		/Confirm, this is applicable if a /CONFIRM qualifier is % 			analysed by the calling .COM file.I  E 	The length of the file name is minimised; the rules which apply are:eD 	a). if the device is the same as the current device, it is removed;A 	b). if the directory is the same as the current directory, it isl
 		removed;H 	c). if the version number is not given or refers to the highest version 		(i.e. *.*;), it is removed;	- 	d). if the type is not given, it is removed.   ? 	Although lexical f$search can be used to loop through wildcard ? 	specifications, it cannot be used simply with concatenation orBC 	separator characters.  Use of List_file, therefore, simplifies thes, 	loop structure of the calling command file.  H 	However, on Ctrl^Y or if FOUND_FILE is null (see below), it is deleted.   Global Symbols Assigned:E 	FOUND_FILE - string.  It is either null if ANY file was not found ori6 		the specification is invalid ($STATUS is returned as/ 		%X10000004), or contains the string AS INPUT.3A 		If the specification is invalid, only one error message will bei> 		displayed; otherwise, an error message will be displayed for 		each file group not found. $ exit $t $! Programming Notes: F $!	1). The symbol name EXPAND_FILE must be longer than the symbol nameC $!		FOUND_FILE. This is to ensure that if the buffer overflows, the%+ $!		symbol can still be correctly assigned.. $  $ SKIP_COMMENTS: $	FOUND_FILE == P1 $	EXPAND_FILE := $	CONNECTOR :=
 $	set noon $	EXIT_STATUS = %X00000001$ $	on CONTROL_Y then goto CTRL_Y_SENT $	NFILES = 0
 $	CONFIRM = 0  $	if f$type(FILE_TYPE) .eqs. ""t $	then $		FILE_TYPE := .DAT $	else/ $		if FILE_TYPE .eqs. "" then FILE_TYPE := .DATs@ $		if f$extract(0,1,FILE_TYPE) .nes. "." then FILE_TYPE = "." + 	 FILE_TYPE  $	endifo $	WSO := write SYS$OUTPUTt $	m = f$environ("MESSAGE") $o $	if P2 .nes. "" $	then- $		@COM_UTILITY:CHECK_QUALIFIER 'P2' C*ONFIRMs $		CONFIRM = FOUND_QUALIFIER $		P2 = REVISED_LIST$ $		if P2 .eqs. "+" .or. P2 .eqs. "," $		thena $			CONNECTOR = P2 $			PARSED_P2 := $		elset $			open/write LISTING 'P2'  $			PARSED_P2 = f$search(P2) $		endif: $		DEF_DEV = F$parse("",,,"NODE") + f$parse("",,,"DEVICE") $		DEF_DIR = f$directory() $		DEF_DIR_SUB = DEF_DIR - "]" $	endif- $- $ CHECK: $	FOUND_FILE == P1 $	if P1 .eqs. "" $	then: $		if f$mode() .nes. "INTERACTIVE" then exit %X10000004 + 
 0*f$verify(v) 	 $		WSO "" 9 $		read/prompt="Enter ''FILE_TYPE' file: " SYS$COMMAND P1n
 $		goto CHECKy $	endifg $<	 $	CHAR :=n $	ICHAR = 0e
 $	OPEN_BR = 09 $	P1_LEN = f$length(P1)r! $	if f$locate(",",P1) .eq. P1_LENu $	then $		IQUAL = f$locate("/",P1). $		if IQUAL .eq. P1_LENo $		thenm $			QUALIFIERS :=  $			COMMA_ELEMENT = P1 $		else + $			QUALIFIERS = f$extract(IQUAL,P1_LEN,P1)S) $			COMMA_ELEMENT = f$extract(0,IQUAL,P1)n $		endif $		ICHAR = P1_LEN  $		NUM_PLUS = 0e $		goto PLUS_LOOPr $	endifg $ C $! ---------- OUTER LOOP OF ELEMENTS SEPARATED BY COMMAS ---------- J $! Each element is extracted on a character-by-character basis.  Creates aG $!	sub_list of files separated by "+" and a list of qualifiers for thatuI $!	element.  This method is used to allow for a "," or "+" in brackets ino $!	a qualifier.> $>
 $ COMMA_LOOP:  $	if ICHAR .eq. P1_LEN $	then% $		if CHAR .nes. "," then goto RETURN> $		goto BAD_SPEC $	endif_ $	IQUAL = 0_ $	COMMA_ELEMENT := $	QUALIFIERS :=r $	NUM_PLUS = 0 $r $ NEXT_CHAR: $	LAST_CHAR = CHAR) $	if ICHAR .eq. P1_LEN then goto VALIDATE  $	CHAR = f$extract(ICHAR,1,P1) $	ICHAR = ICHAR + 1i% $	goto SPECIAL'f$locate(CHAR,",+/()")- $ 1 $ SPECIAL0:	! "," - in brackets or end of element.& $	if OPEN_BR .eq. 0 then goto VALIDATE  $	QUALIFIERS = QUALIFIERS + CHAR $	goto NEXT_CHAR $l3 $ SPECIAL1:	! "+" - in brackets or end of qualifierO $	if OPEN_BR .eq. 0	 $	then $		IQUAL = 0' $		COMMA_ELEMENT = COMMA_ELEMENT + CHAR  $	else! $		QUALIFIERS = QUALIFIERS + CHARl $	endifp $	goto NEXT_CHAR $l& $ SPECIAL2:	! "/" - start of qualifier $	IQUAL = 1d  $	QUALIFIERS = QUALIFIERS + CHAR $	goto NEXT_CHAR $r  $ SPECIAL3:	! "(" - in qualifier# $	if .not. IQUAL then goto BAD_SPEC- $	OPEN_BR = OPEN_BR + 1C  $	QUALIFIERS = QUALIFIERS + CHAR $	goto NEXT_CHAR $)9 $ SPECIAL4:	! ")" - in qualifier and only if bracket open 7 $	if .not. IQUAL .or. OPEN_BR .le. 0 then goto BAD_SPECe $	OPEN_BR = OPEN_BR - 1E  $	QUALIFIERS = QUALIFIERS + CHAR $	goto NEXT_CHAR $'! $ SPECIAL5:	! Any other character 
 $	if IQUAL $	then! $		QUALIFIERS = QUALIFIERS + CHAR  $	else' $		COMMA_ELEMENT = COMMA_ELEMENT + CHARu $	endifc $	goto NEXT_CHAR $  $ BAD_SPEC:b $	WSO RING_BELL,REVERSE_TEXT? $	WSO " ERROR - ''P1' is a bad file specification ",NORMAL_TEXTe $	FOUND_FILE :==
 $	goto RETURN  $e $ VALIDATE:a9 $	if f$locate(LAST_CHAR,",+/(") .ne. 4 then goto BAD_SPEC & $	if OPEN_BR .ne. 0 then goto BAD_SPEC $w@ $! ----------MIDDLE LOOP OF ELEMENTS SEPARATED BY PLUS----------J $! Each element is extracted using the f$element lexical.  Qualifiers haveI $!	already been extracted in the outer loop.  Creates a sub_list of files ) $!	which may contain wildcard characters.e $o $ PLUS_LOOP:6 $	PLUS_ELEMENT = f$element(NUM_PLUS,"+",COMMA_ELEMENT)0 $	if PLUS_ELEMENT .eqs. "+" then goto COMMA_LOOP $	NUM_PLUS = NUM_PLUS+1s( $	FILE = f$parse(PLUS_ELEMENT,FILE_TYPE)% $	if FILE .eqs. "" then goto BAD_SPECp $	LAST_FILE := $ ; $! ----------INNER LOOP OF FILES (WITH WILDCARDS)----------iJ $! Each file is extracted using the f$search lexical to allow for wildcard $!	characters. $o $ SEARCH_LOOP: $	NEXT_FILE = f$search(FILE) $	if NEXT_FILE .nes. ""n $	then $		if NEXT_FILE .eqs. LAST_FILE  $		thene= $			if EXPAND_FILE .nes. "" then EXPAND_FILE = EXPAND_FILE + p
 QUALIFIERS $			goto PLUS_LOOP $		endif% $		if P2 .eqs. "" then goto PLUS_LOOPa $		LAST_FILE = NEXT_FILE $		NEXT_FILE = NEXT_FILE - "]["r5 $		if NEXT_FILE .eqs. PARSED_P2 then goto SEARCH_LOOPh $V, $		NEXT_FILE = NEXT_FILE - DEF_DIR - DEF_DEV( $		if f$extract(0,1,NEXT_FILE) .eqs. "[" $		then ' $			NEXT_FILE = NEXT_FILE - DEF_DIR_SUB ? $			if f$extract(0,1,NEXT_FILE) .nes. "[" then NEXT_FILE = "[" o + NEXT_FILEA $		endif $v. $		if f$parse(PLUS_ELEMENT,,,"TYPE") .eqs. "." $		thenn; $			NEXT_FILE = NEXT_FILE - (f$parse(NEXT_FILE,,,"TYPE") + l f$parse(NEXT_FILE,,,"VERSION"))s $		elseg8 $			if f$parse(PLUS_ELEMENT,,,"VERSION") .eqs. ";" then 6 NEXT_FILE = NEXT_FILE - f$parse(NEXT_FILE,,,"VERSION") $		endif $c $ CONFIRM_PROMPT:g
 $		if CONFIRM  $		thene: $			read/prompt="Use ''NEXT_FILE'? [N] " SYS$COMMAND REPLY1 $			REPLY = f$edit(f$extract(0,1,REPLY),"upcase").5 $			if REPLY .eqs. "" .or. REPLY .eqs. "N" then goto v SEARCH_LOOPn' $			if REPLY .eqs. "Q" then goto RETURN) $			if REPLY .eqs. "A" $			then $				CONFIRM = 0 $			else0 $				if REPLY .nes. "Y" then goto CONFIRM_PROMPT	 $			endif( $		endif $r $		if CONNECTOR .eqs. "" $		thenD& $			write LISTING NEXT_FILE,QUALIFIERS $		elsee= $			if EXPAND_FILE .nes. "" then EXPAND_FILE = EXPAND_FILE +  	 CONNECTORp $			set message/nof/noi/nos/not.) $			EXPAND_FILE = EXPAND_FILE + NEXT_FILE. $			STATUS = $STATUS $			set message'm' $			if STATUS .eq. %X00038018  $			then+ $				WSO "WARNING - Symbol Buffer Overflow"n0 $				WSO NFILES," files available, next file is  ",NEXT_FILEt $				goto RETURN	 $			endifM $		endif $		NFILES = NFILES + 1 $		goto SEARCH_LOOP' $	endif  $  $	if LAST_FILE .eqs. ""w $	then $		WSO RING_BELL,REVERSE_TEXT'5 $		WSO " ERROR - File ''FILE' not found ",NORMAL_TEXT  $		FOUND_FILE :==e $	endif  $	goto PLUS_LOOP $  $ CTRL_Y_SENT: $	EXIT_STATUS = %X10000008 $	FOUND_FILE :== $-	 $ RETURN:- $	on CONTROL_Y then continue $	if P2 .nes. "" $	then+ $		if CONNECTOR .eqs. "" then close LISTINGu' $		if NFILES .eq. 0 then FOUND_FILE :== E $		if FOUND_FILE .eqs. "" .and. CONNECTOR .eqs. "" then delete/nolog w 'P2';  $	endif H $	if EXIT_STATUS .and. FOUND_FILE .eqs. "" then EXIT_STATUS = %X10000004+ $	if EXIT_STATUS .and. EXPAND_FILE .nes. ""s $	thenF $!		if QUALIFIERS .nes. "" then EXPAND_FILE = EXPAND_FILE + QUALIFIERS $		FOUND_FILE == EXPAND_FILE $	endifr$ $	exit 'EXIT_STATUS' + 0*f$verify(v)     *****y $ v = 'f$verify(0)'i5 $ if P1 .nes. "UTILITY_USAGE" then goto SKIP_COMMENTSh $s= $! CHECK_KEYWORD.COM	Author: Paddy O'Brien		Written: May 1993r $n $ type/page SYS$INPUT G 	Checks a list of input keywords to ascertain the presence and positionnC 	of a specific keyword, with optional "removal" from the list.  OR,s& 	returns the value of the nth keyword.  G 	Usage: @COM_UTILITY:CHECK_KEYWORD Keyword_List Search_Keyword/Position-  M Keyword_List is a string of keywords enclosed in parentheses and separated byuF 	",".  If only one keyword is present in the list, the parentheses are< 	optional.  The list may be preceded by a qualifier and "=".C 	Any keyword may have an assigned keyword, which is ignored for thes8 	comparison.  This parameter MUST be enclosed in quotes.L Search_Keyword is the keyword to be tested for.  A "*" may be used, with theF 	same meaning as in DCL symbol assignment, for the minimum unambiguous 	comparison length.mO OR Position is an integer to request the value of the keyword in that position.aE 	The idea behind this second pass is to avoid code in the applicationcC 	program to strip off "''QUALIFIER'=" and the optional parantheses.    Global Symbols Assigned: 	FOUND_KEYWORD -# 	(a) with parameter Search_Keyword: ? 		integer/logical.  If the keyword has been found, its value is 8 		(NELEMENT-1)*10+1, which is a). TRUE, and b). valid in 		NELEMENT = FOUND_KEYWORD/10r7 		@COM_UTILITY:CHECK_KEYWORD "''QUALIFIER'"  'NELEMENT'l" 		to find the keyword in the list. 	(b) with parameter Position: : 		string.  The position either contains a keyword which is+ 		returned, or is empty and "" is returned.a $ exit $c $ SKIP_COMMENTS: $	FOUND_KEYWORD == 03 $	on CONTROL_Y then exit %X10000008 + 0*f$verify(v)-! $	if P1 .eqs. "" then goto RETURN7 $  $	KEYWORD_LIST :=wL $	if f$locate("=",P1) .ne. f$len(P1) then KEYWORD_LIST = f$element(1,"=",P1)? $	if f$extract(0,1,KEYWORD_LIST) .eqs. "(" then KEYWORD_LIST = F/ f$extract(1,f$len(KEYWORD_LIST)-2,KEYWORD_LIST)G# $	KEYWORD_LIST = "," + KEYWORD_LIST  $	if f$type(P2) .eqs. "INTEGER"0 $	then2 $		FOUND_KEYWORD == f$element(P2,",",KEYWORD_LIST)4 $		if FOUND_KEYWORD .eqs. "," then FOUND_KEYWORD :== $		goto RETURN $	endife $s $	QMIN = f$element(0,"*",P2) $	QMIN_LEN = f$length(QMIN) J $	if f$locate(",''QMIN'",KEYWORD_LIST) .eq. f$len(KEYWORD_LIST) then goto  RETURN $	QMAX = f$element(1,"*",P2) $	if QMAX .nes. "*"  $	then $		QMAX = QMIN + QMAXH $	else $		QMAX = QMIN $	endif  $	QMAX_LEN = f$length(QMAX)l $	NELEMENT = 1 $v $ LOOP: . $	QFULL = f$element(NELEMENT,",",KEYWORD_LIST)% $	if QFULL .eqs. "," then goto RETURNe $	NELEMENT = NELEMENT + 1s" $	if QFULL .eqs. "" then goto LOOP  $	QTEST = f$element(0,"=",QFULL) $	TEST_LEN = f$length(QTEST)* $	if TEST_LEN .lt. QMIN_LEN then goto LOOP: $	if f$extract(0,QMIN_LEN,QTEST) .nes. QMIN then goto LOOP $	if QMIN .nes. QMAX $	then5 $		if TEST_LEN .gt. QMAX_LEN then TEST_LEN = QMAX_LEN C $		if f$extract(0,TEST_LEN,QTEST) .nes. f$extract(0,TEST_LEN,QMAX)   then goto LOOP $	endife$ $	FOUND_KEYWORD == (NELEMENT-1)*10+1 $  $ RETURN: v = f$verify(v)a     *****o $	v = 'f$verify(0)5 $	if P1 .nes. "UTILITY_USAGE" then goto SKIP_COMMENTSt $o; $! CHECK_MATCH.COM	Author: Paddy O'Brien		Revised: May 1993e $s $ type/page SYS$INPUT   	Compares two character strings.  / 	Usage: @COM_UTILITY:CHECK_MATCH Object Subjectr  ! Object.  The string to be tested.iI Subject.  The string to be tested against, which may include the wildcardu 	character.s   Global Symbols Assigned:@ 	FOUND_MATCH - integer/logical.  Value is 0 (FALSE) or 1 (TRUE). $ exit $g $ SKIP_COMMENTS: $	FOUND_MATCH == 03 $	on CONTROL_Y then exit %X10000008 + 0*f$verify(v) F $	ELEMENT = f$element(0,"*",P2)	! Process the first element separately $	if ELEMENT .nes. ""f $	thenC $		if f$extract(0,f$len(ELEMENT),P1) .nes. ELEMENT then goto RETURN . $		P1 = f$extract(f$len(ELEMENT),f$len(P1),P1) $	endifa	 $	NEL = 1l $(' $ LOOP: ELEMENT = f$element(NEL,"*",P2) 0 $	if ELEMENT .eqs. ""	! The final character is * $	then $		FOUND_MATCH == 1h $		goto RETURN $	endifnH $	if ELEMENT .eqs. "*"	! The final character is not *, so match only if  P1 is exhaustede $	then' $		if P1 .eqs. "" then FOUND_MATCH == 1a $		goto RETURN $	endifi $h $	POS = f$locate(ELEMENT,P1)( $	if POS .eq. f$len(P1) then goto RETURN1 $	P1 = f$extract(POS+f$len(ELEMENT),f$len(P1),P1)a $	NEL = NEL + 1f $	goto LOOPy $t $ RETURN: v = f$verify(v)    *****t  0 $	if P1 .eqs. "UTILITY_USAGE" then goto COMMENTS $	v = 'f$verify(0) $a $	FOUND_QUALIFIER == 0 $	REVISED_LIST == P1! $	if P1 .eqs. "" then goto RETURN 3 $	on CONTROL_Y then exit %X10000008 + 0*f$verify(v)d $	QMIN = f$element(0,"*",P2)< $	if f$locate("/''QMIN'",P1) .eq. f$len(P1) then goto RETURN $	QMIN_LEN = f$length(QMIN)  $	QMAX = f$element(1,"*",P2) $	if QMAX .nes. "*"i $	then $		QMAX = QMIN + QMAX. $	else $		QMAX = QMIN $	endifa $	QMAX_LEN = f$length(QMAX)o $	NELEMENT = 1 $8* $ LOOP:	QFULL = f$element(NELEMENT,"/",P1)% $	if QFULL .eqs. "/" then goto RETURNf $	NELEMENT = NELEMENT + 1 " $	if QFULL .eqs. "" then goto LOOP  $	QTEST = f$element(0,"=",QFULL) $	TEST_LEN = f$length(QTEST)* $	if TEST_LEN .lt. QMIN_LEN then goto LOOP: $	if f$extract(0,QMIN_LEN,QTEST) .nes. QMIN then goto LOOP $	if QMIN .nes. QMAX $	then5 $		if TEST_LEN .gt. QMAX_LEN then TEST_LEN = QMAX_LENnC $		if f$extract(0,TEST_LEN,QTEST) .nes. f$extract(0,TEST_LEN,QMAX)   then goto LOOP $	endif & $	FOUND_QUALIFIER == (NELEMENT-1)*10+1$ $	REVISED_LIST == P1 - ("/" + QFULL) $_  $ RETURN: exit 1 + 0*f$verify(v) $  $ COMMENTS:" $yD $! CHECK_QUALIFIER.COM		Author: Paddy O'Brien	Revised: December 1999 $p $ type/page SYS$INPUT.I 	Checks a list of input qualifiers to ascertain the presence and positionm@ 	of a specific qualifier, with optional "removal" from the list.  D 	Usage: @COM_UTILITY:CHECK_QUALIFIER Qualifier_List Search_Qualifier  L Qualifier_List is a string of qualifiers starting with and separated by "/".D 	Any qualifier may have assigned keywords, which are ignored for the. 	comparison.  This MUST be enclosed in quotes.P Search_Qualifier is the qualifier to be tested for.  A "*" may be used, with theF 	same meaning as in DCL symbol assignment, for the minimum unambiguous 	comparison length.=   Global Symbols Assigned:E 	FOUND_QUALIFIER - integer/logical.  If the qualifier has been found,I< 		its value is (NELEMENT-1)*10+1, which is a). TRUE, and b).@ 		valid in f$element(FOUND_QUALIFIER/10,"/","Qualifier_list") to% 		obtain the qualifier from the list.OH 	REVISED_LIST - string.  Contains the qualifier_list; if FOUND_QUALIFIER: 		is TRUE, the qualifier, and any associated keywords, are= 		removed.  The normal usage is in a procedure which requires A 		qualifiers which must be excluded from a subsequent DCL commandY2 		when these are also entered on the command line.     ***** 0 $	if P1 .eqs. "UTILITY_USAGE" then goto COMMENTS $	v = 'f$verify(0) $  $	WSO := write sys$output  $	FOUND_YES == 03 $	on CONTROL_Y then exit %X10000008 + 0*f$verify(v)t& $	DEFAULT_RESPONSE = f$extract(0,1,P2)  $	if f$mode() .nes "INTERACTIVE" $	then  $		FOUND_YES == DEFAULT_RESPONSE- $		if FOUND_YES .eqs. "" then FOUND_YES :== Nh $		goto RETURN $	endifs $( $	PROMPT_YES_NO := [N]/Y $	if DEFAULT_RESPONSE .nes. "N"" $	then $		PROMPT_YES_NO := [Y]/Nr  $		if DEFAULT_RESPONSE .nes. "Y" $		theno $			DEFAULT_RESPONSE :=  $			PROMPT_YES_NO := Y/N $		endif $	endifi $.	 $ PROMPT: > $	read/prompt="''P1' ''PROMPT_YES_NO' ? " SYS$COMMAND RESPONSE $	write SYS$OUTPUT "" 7 $	FOUND_YES == f$edit(f$extract(0,1,RESPONSE),"upcase")s: $	if FOUND_YES .eqs. "" then FOUND_YES == DEFAULT_RESPONSE2 $	if FOUND_YES .eqs. ""	! Re-test in case P2 is "" $	then $		PROMPT_ERROR := REQUIRED  $		goto ERROR_MESSAGEn $	endifi $tB $	if FOUND_YES .eqs. "Y" .or. FOUND_YES .eqs. "N" then goto RETURN $	PROMPT_ERROR := INVALIDn $  $ ERROR_MESSAGE:K $	WSO RING_BELL,REVERSE_TEXT,"Yes or No response ",PROMPT_ERROR,NORMAL_TEXT 
 $	goto PROMPTr $w  $ RETURN: exit 1 + 0*f$verify(v) $C $ COMMENTS:r $B9 $! CHECK_YES.COM	Author: Paddy O'Brien		Revised: May 1993a $f $ type/page SYS$INPUT 8 	Validates and returns a YES or NO response to a prompt.  8 	Usage: @COM_UTILITY:CHECK_YES Prompt [Default_response]  K Prompt.  A literal which will be displayed on the screen with added optionse 	from Default_response and "?".eN Default_response.  May take the values Y, N or "".  If Y, the option is [Y]/N;9 	if N, the option is [N]/Y; and if "", the option is Y/N.    Global Symbols Assigned:= 	FOUND_YES - logical/string.  Value of Y (TRUE) or N (FALSE).i  O If <RETURN> is entered, the default is the value of Default_response, unless ittD 	is "", when there is no default and the prompt is repeated.  If theI 	utility is run in batch, FOUND_YES will take the Default_response value;s3 	if "", then FOUND_YES is, arbitrarily, set to "N".d     *****H   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:23:45 +0100l  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>. Subject: Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize!+ Message-ID: <VA.000002d2.8978addb@sture.ch>(  7 In article <002569FF.004D1C54.00@quegw01.btyp>,  wrote:n& > From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmss0 > Subject: Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize!' > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:02:10 +0000r > N > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza >  > R > Further to this, did ANYONE manage to get the one I posted to work, or is eitherQ > the lexical function broken (F$FILE arg FILE_LENGTH_HINT) or the implementation: > I used incorrect?  > B > Should I report this (the fact that it returns -1 for any file)? >  > Steve Spires >  > Q This isn't one of the things introduced for ODS-5 files is it? A few weeks ago I  Q had some error message about "extended files" and it did turn out to be an ODS-5 i thing. ___,
 Paul Sture Switzerlande   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Feb 2001 06:31:20 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.344932.killspam.0142 (Wayne Sewell)	. Subject: Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize!. Message-ID: <3uEceUFlVONT@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  T In article <vKn4MhHpXP7U@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:   > A > One problem with $ SEARCH /LOG is that it complains about emptye > input files.         SEARCH     /WARNINGSs           /WARNINGS (default)f         /NOWARNINGSD  D      Allows or disallows the following messages to be displayed when%      search operations are performed:e           NOMATCHES          TRUNCATE         NULLFILE       Wayne	     -- mO ===============================================================================HM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx,: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O ===============================================================================rO Dean Wormer to Flounder: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."O   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Feb 2001 10:26:28 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org. Subject: Re: DCL: count nr of lines --> prize!3 Message-ID: <dFO4672QiX3K@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  n In article <3uEceUFlVONT@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.344932.killspam.0142 (Wayne Sewell) writes:V > In article <vKn4MhHpXP7U@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: >  >> RB >> One problem with $ SEARCH /LOG is that it complains about empty >> input files.r   > SEARCH >         /NOWARNINGS   0 Thanks.  Hadn't realized that qualifier existed.  - 	John Briggs		briggs@eisner.encompasserve.orgA   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:07:20 +0100,= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>t' Subject: Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-ShirtH) Message-ID: <3A9B7C58.C49C073C@gtech.com>    Scott Vieth wrote:H > p.s.  Island charges too much for their new StorageWorks drives.  Call) > Great Lakes and get a much better deal.I  A Then they are bad at marketing, because they do not supply prices	 at their web-site !i  5 Unlike www.islandco.com where you can see the prices.o   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:48:39 -0600S* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>' Subject: RE: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt)- Message-ID: <0033000017259324000002L042*@MHS>b   =0A> -----Original Message----- 1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETN* > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:15 PM8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET) > Subject: RE: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-ShirtE >+ >A > WILLIAM WEBB wrote:E >TH > >       I got one too for the cost of shipping.  I've found them to b= e ; > >       as helpful as any other reseller I've dealt with,p > and, frankly,M( > >       more helpful than most others. >eE > Oooooo!  A free Multia!  Woooo!  That's almost as useful as my freeE > StorageWorks letter jacket.tH > Ooooo!  I'd rather deal with a reputable company that I can depend on=   > than to buy from the companyD > that offers the coolest free toys.  (BTW, didn't you have to add a' > zillion dollars worth of parts to theiH > Multia to make it functional?  "Here's a *free* Mulita!! You just hav= e	 > to add special memory, diskU: > drives, external disk enclosure, keyboard, mouse, etc.") >M  H If memory serves me correctly I only had to track down the floppy drive=  ($15LH at a used computer shop), 1 32 MB SIMM and the little ribbon cable/exte= rnalH SCSI connector.  Not bad for a hobbyist setup- many people work a lot h= arderx" to get an Alpha VMS system going.=   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Feb 2001 18:41:45 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)F' Subject: RE: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt", Message-ID: <97gsd9$2bp5$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  - In article <0033000017259324000002L042*@MHS>,"-  WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:E |> ND |> If memory serves me correctly I only had to track down the floppyC |> drive ($15 at a used computer shop), 1 32 MB SIMM and the littlei@ |> ribbon cable/external SCSI connector.  Not bad for a hobbyistI |> setup- many people work a lot harder to get an Alpha VMS system going._  E As long as we're still on the subject of Multias, any chance somebodyYD here would be interested in trading some QBUS trinkets (like maybe aC SCSI card) for one of those stripped down Multias??  I got the veryfE last one, have not been able to get the parts to make it complete and E don't really anticipate much likelyhood that I will be able to in thei forseeable future.   billD (It's probably to modern for me anyway.  My VAX and PDP's would just	 snub it.)t   -- PJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   	   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:05:31 -0500N% From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com>f& Subject: Re: DEC Alpha's - Free TShirt/ Message-ID: <t9nca122i86j3d@corp.supernews.com>/   Scotto  G Advertised prices can always be a problem, as market pricing fluctuatese
 incredibly   I give an example%  J Compaq Europe was selling DS-RZ1ED-VW 18Gb 10KRPM in the Dealer market for7 $500 each NEW in sealed Compaq boxes with full warranty	0 List price on these then and now is around $1500  G Of course - these were in limited supply - and once the market had beenhK sucked dry of these products, Dealer to Dealer price went back up to around, $780-800 each for Used driveseL It was a huge increase - but these are issues that we have to deal with on a constant basis. L So to cover any kind og liabillity that we may be exposed to, we set our Web  pricing at a "Fair Market Value"H That is not to say that the pricing is invalid - more often than not, we price product just below marketeJ We try to encourage customers to call or actually request a quote whenever they are ready to purchaseJ We are constantly watching the market (it is just like the stock market inJ many ways with fluctuation and of course the standard market based forces)  F Great Lakes, as with most other dealers, buy very little through theirI "authorized reseller channel", as the market of "gray" product is so hugeCI (last estimate was over $10 Billion in 1998) and pricing is nearly always 0 remarkably lower than the COmpaq based channels.  J As far as I am concerned - it is your prerogative as to where you purchaseK your Computer hardware - and I would agree Great Lakes is a decent company, , though their territory is limited to the US.    E As for warranty - most products such as disk drives are new, but thatn8 doesn't always mean that Compaq warranty still appplies.  K Am RZ28D-VW can be new in the sealed box, but the problem is that they were K manufactured in 1995 - Compaq/DEC bases their warranty on the manufacturingoH date of a product, and of of course - that would be past the three years that they honor/honour.r  K We give 12 months on everything and anything that we sell - luckily we havelF not had to do too much in the way of replacing product because we TEST
 everythingJ You would never get a NEW drive in a New Box without it having been opened. first -we have to test everything just in caseE More than often, the real problems that WE have had have been the NEWh product being DOA.4 This is actually happening more now than ever before  L If the product is within Compaq's warranty period - then YES - we do send itL back to Compaq for replacement or repair - but we Advance replace everythingL that we sell and put the repaired/replaced working product back on the shelf
 to resell.  	 FYI Scottl   Regardsw   David Turner     Island Computers US Corporationh 2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 150	 Savannah GA 31404t Tel: 912 447 6622d Fax: 912 201 0096K sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andeJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whomE they are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intendedW
 recipient,G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete this	 message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying, of this message is prohibited.     ----- Original Message -----& From: "Scott Vieth" <svieth@wi.rr.com># To: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com>Y( Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:04 PM' Subject: Re: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt)    C > Everytime you post disk drive prices (the 10K storageworks drives D > for the ESA12000 and RA8000), the prices are noticibly higher than, > what I just paid G.L. for the same drives. >SH > G.L. is selling  us *new* disk drives.  They come in the little static > bags inside the sealedK > Compaq boxes.  If I wanted reman disk drives, they'd be even less pricey!T >_I > You give warranty on a product that already has a warranty from Compaq?I
 > How odd....PF > How do you handle replacments when a drive fails?  Does the customer > send the drive+ > to you and then you forward it to Compaq?c >, > -scott >) > Islandco wrote:  >n > > Thanks for the responses > >1K > > If anyone can advise exactly what we are so much more expensive on thenP we1 > > can change pricing to reflect the competition! > >KH > > But we also need to consider the fact that most of our drives on the websiteC< > > are NEW - not DEC Used recertified with 30 days warranty > >OH > > We give 12 months warranty minimum - YES MINIMUM- that has a cost of course > > !g > >, > > DT > >c > > --# > > Island Computers US Corporationm > > 2700 Gregory StreetT
 > > Suite 150g > > Savannah GA 31404E > > Tel: 912 447 6622  > > Fax: 912 201 0096	 > > sales@islandco.com > > www.islandco.com > >0G > > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andlA > > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy, legislation.L > > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whomI > > they are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended  > > recipient,K > > please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete thisN > > message.E > > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or  copyinga" > > of this message is prohibited. > >U > >T; > > "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messageE+ > > news:0033000017155369000002L092*@MHS...U > >	 > >> -----Original Message-----,4 > >> From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET- > >> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:54 PMe; > >> To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETa, > >> Subject: RE: DEC Alpha's - FREE T-Shirt > >> > >>- > >> In article <3A99AFE2.8080307@wi.rr.com>,x0 > >>      Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes: > >>F > >>> I  am not officially speaking for G.L. but I don't think they're% > >>> interested in selling equipmenteH > >>> overseas.  They have enough buiness here in the good old USA.  You > >>> should probablynE > >>> stick with your current vendor if you live outside the main 48.  > >>>nD > >>     When I dealt with G.L. about a year ago they had no problemK > >> shipping stuff to Canada. I don't know if they do business with Europe=H > >> or not, but their "contact us" web page asks what country you're inH > >> and provides a pretty comprehensive list of choices ( minor nit, itI > >> also insists you provide a state, even is you say the country is not_ > >> the USA ).r > >>F > >>    David at Islandco may not be giving away T-shirts, but you mayC > >> recall he was giving away Multias last year - that's got to be( > >> better than T-shirts. > >>H > >       I got one too for the cost of shipping.  I've found them to beI > >       as helpful as any other reseller I've dealt with, and, frankly,i( > >       more helpful than most others. > >eF > >       If pricing is the only problem that whoever it was had aboutE > >       about Island,  then don't worry.  The free market will takeQF > >       care of that.  Reselling is a pretty competitive (some might> > >       say cutthroat) place, certainly more so than retail. > >e > >       WWWebb=c > >i > >  >s     -- Island Computers US Corporationi 2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 150d Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622m Fax: 912 201 0096  sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andIJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whomE they are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intendedi
 recipient,G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete thisT message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Feb 2001 08:39:31 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: Drop C/C++ better sooner than later3 Message-ID: <wrCvgGxaSLv9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <XyEm6.896$be1.355692@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>, "Rick Cadruvi" <rick@rdperf.com> writes:I > I find this an interesting discussion.  It would be useful if you would_	 > suggest	J > a more modern language (or series of them) that you think is superior to > developing software in C/C++.F   Ada.  E Currently that means Ada95, but even the older Ada83 standard used byND Compaq Ada does pretty well.  The major different (if one avoids anyF discussions of object oriented programming) is that the extensions DECH added to Ada83 are often not necessary in Ada95 since there are standard7 mechanisms to do the same thing (making them portable)..   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:58:50 -0600s+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>=0 Subject: RE: Drop C/C++ better sooner than laterL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0BDD53FA@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message------ > From: Rick Cadruvi [mailto:rick@rdperf.com]   @ > I find this an interesting discussion.  It would be useful if  > you wouldv	 > suggestC? > a more modern language (or series of them) that you think is e
 > superior tof > developing software in C/C++.t  I I knew I should have worn my Asbestos Underwear(tm) today.  I should alsoKF know better than to jump into somebody else's (religious? :) argument.   Ok, here I go. :)t  J I very much like Oberon, which is certainly newer (AFAIK) than either C or C++.  9 It is not, of course, for everyone, or every application.t  C > No language is perfect.  There are many good and bad points in C.:  B True enough, and if it were assembly, it certainly would have lessL "protection" built in.  I doubt you'll find anyone to argue that assembly is "not useful, and outdated."f  > > C works fine if you write simply contructed code.  For lots  > of different? > types of development there are lots of different and perhaps b > better choices."   I very much like Oberon. ;)-   Regards,   Chrisa  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");a '@  r   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:05:18 GMTm, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> Subject: Re: forum.compaq.comD% Message-ID: <3A9B5FE2.E023CDF@gmx.ch>e  H yes, this is mainly what I intended to ask. I never thought about a freeD support. I believe that having a different mother tongue (sp?) makesD difficult to communicate, specially when talking about non-technical% issues. Thanks for the clarification.I   D.   Hoff Hoffman wrote:e > ../.. A >   Or a way to submit problem and bug reports to Compaq OpenVMS?r  3 >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> h  H (I start my OpenVMS programming in C next week, don't surestimate me :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:50:24 GMTo' From: "Sotos" <williamsburg@djginc.com>  Subject: Re: FTP Woes-= Message-ID: <kVQm6.127997$B6.30244197@news1.rdc1.md.home.com>   K Thanks much for the response.  We are running VMS 5.5.  I will have to findn& out about what TCP/IP stack is in use.K Terminating the FTP session and starting again gets the same results, stille6 unable to delete the file.  Filesize is still 0 bytes.5 I'll poke around and see if I can spot any log files.mE Also, I forgot to mention that I have tried transferring to differentGE directories, and even with a System login, all with the same results.oE Don't know if any of that helps as I am quite out of my element here.d  
 thanks again.A Sotos     : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3A9AB5E0.BD617977@videotron.ca... > Sotos wrote:H > > direction without problem.  When I attempt to transfer to the VMS, I firstaI > > get a status message saying "Transmitted  xxx bytes in xx secs", thenl afternJ > > a period, I get another message stating "!Receive error: Blocking callL > > cancelled".  At that point, I am left with a file with the correct name,L > > containing 0 bytes, and attempting to delete it returns the message "550: > > file currently locked by another user, Delete failed." >28 > You woudl need to better describe the VMS environment. > ( > What version of the operating system ?3 > And more importantly, what TCPIP stack is in use.e >uJ > If you fully terminate the FTP session and start a new one, are you then able > to delete the empty file ? >4J > Note that on VMS, when you create a file, the "correct" size of the file isn'tOG > generally available until you close the file. But the amount of spacefG > allocated is available as it grows. So, if your file has not yet beena closedH > by the FTP server, it is normal that it would still report 0 bytes and that! > the file would still be locked.e >0J > You might want to look any any .LOG files on your VMS account that might be relevant. >RK > Also, depending on the tcpip stack there are logical names you can set to > > cause the log files to be filled with debugging information. >tJ > If you have the TCPIP V5.x stack from Compaq (existence of TCPIP$FTP.LOG inF > your login directory is such an indication), then you could ask your system > manager to do the following: >o& > $DEFINE$SYSTEM TCPIP$FTP_EXTLOG TRUE >- >-J > Then, once you are done, he can send you the relevant information in the. > SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP]TCPIP$FTPD.LOG file   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:13:25 GMT0' From: "Sotos" <williamsburg@djginc.com>n& Subject: Re: FTP Woes (problem solved)= Message-ID: <VeRm6.128006$B6.30252176@news1.rdc1.md.home.com>a  K Thought I'd post a follow up as I managed to get things working.  Turns outrC that unchecking the "Passive Transfer" option in WS_FTP's conectionhE configuration was all it took.  I figured this out after successfully % transfer a file using KEA's ftp util.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:18:47 +0000f0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>/ Subject: Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins? * Message-ID: <3A9BD367.8E15677F@uk.sun.com>   Christopher Smith wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----@ > > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@earthlink.net] > ? > > Hope for the future tends to lie in a dramatic expansion of" > > the OpenVMSuJ > > market and the recovery of business that OpenVMS has lost to inferior,I > > but vastly more "cost-effective" systems and o.s.-es. That's in quotelI > > becaus ethe perception of "cost effectiveness" tends pivot around theoH > > cost to acquire - a capital expense, whereas on-going operations are. > > more "palatable" line items in the budget. > K > Yeah, maybe Compaq should do the "loss leader" thing with VMS? ;)  "We'll-M > give you this AlphaServer if you'll subscribe to 6 years of 'maintenance.'"u >   2 What I cannot quite understand is why Compaq can't" do a very low cost OpenVMS system.  5 OpenVMS is unemcumbered by any licensing charges thatW! need to be paid to other vendors.   6 What is rather remarkable is that Compaq price OpenVMS7 higher than any of their other major OS's Tru64 and NT.t  6 But both Tru64 and NT require Compaq to pay licensing , fees for each copy shipped to other vendors.  : It is also possible to build a very low cost RISC platform: and also make money on it. Compaq havn't demonstrated this9 but Sun and to a lesser extent HP have demonstrated that r8 this is possible as the Pricing for the new SunBlade 100
 demonstrates.p   Regardst Andrew Harrisonv Enterprise IT Architectb   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:34:21 -0600 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>s/ Subject: Re: Future outlook for OpenVMS admins?f8 Message-ID: <97grvj$sgg$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  L I think Tru64, like VMS is Compaq's own product.  On the other hand, NT/2000 are not.   Dave...u  = "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in messagec$ news:3A9BD367.8E15677F@uk.sun.com... > Christopher Smith wrote: > >.  > > > -----Original Message-----B > > > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@earthlink.net] > >@A > > > Hope for the future tends to lie in a dramatic expansion of  > > > the OpenVMSpL > > > market and the recovery of business that OpenVMS has lost to inferior,K > > > but vastly more "cost-effective" systems and o.s.-es. That's in quoteaK > > > becaus ethe perception of "cost effectiveness" tends pivot around thesJ > > > cost to acquire - a capital expense, whereas on-going operations are0 > > > more "palatable" line items in the budget. > >yE > > Yeah, maybe Compaq should do the "loss leader" thing with VMS? ;)t "We'll? > > give you this AlphaServer if you'll subscribe to 6 years oft 'maintenance.'"a > >b >t4 > What I cannot quite understand is why Compaq can't$ > do a very low cost OpenVMS system. >l7 > OpenVMS is unemcumbered by any licensing charges thatt# > need to be paid to other vendors.o >y8 > What is rather remarkable is that Compaq price OpenVMS9 > higher than any of their other major OS's Tru64 and NT.r >o7 > But both Tru64 and NT require Compaq to pay licensingy. > fees for each copy shipped to other vendors. > < > It is also possible to build a very low cost RISC platform< > and also make money on it. Compaq havn't demonstrated this: > but Sun and to a lesser extent HP have demonstrated that: > this is possible as the Pricing for the new SunBlade 100 > demonstrates.C >l	 > Regardse > Andrew Harrisono > Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:00:10 GMTa7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)  Subject: Re: Janitor fixes 90L& Message-ID: <G9EM4A.K6F@world.std.com>  3 David D Miller <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com> writes:e  I >Time to lighten up.  I'm sure you've all had experiences similar to thisa >...  I >One of my 90L term server ports was acting up.  Before I had a chance tonK >check it out the evening shift came in.  The janitor plugged his vacuum in5H >the same power strip that the 90L was plugged into and blew the circuitH >breaker.  He of course quietly found another receptacle to use.  In theG >morning the circuit breaker was reset and (sure enough) the 90L is nowu >behaving itself.   F There are many of these.  Mine was in VMS Engineering, where a circuitG breaker that fed several cubes would trip, but only overnight, and only E sometimes. The electricians said that circuit was very near but under,H capacity (the building was built assuming there'd be one VT100 per cube,J not several workstations)  My cube had one outlet on the affected circuit.G Late one night I worked late and found the answer.  You guessed it, theqB janitor plugged in the sweeper into a spare outlet and tripped theJ circuit, and when that happened he just plugged it into another outlet and continued his job.   -Mikea   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:23:45 +0100r  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: Janitor fixes 90L+ Message-ID: <VA.000002d1.8978ac4b@sture.ch>c  M In article <OF64737FF4.B5FDF108-ON072569FF.006730A7@rsc.raytheon.com>, David e D Miller wrote:r3 > From: David D Miller <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com>h > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmst > Subject: Janitor fixes 90L' > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:52:56 -0700r >  > Folks  > J > Time to lighten up.  I'm sure you've all had experiences similar to this > .... > J > One of my 90L term server ports was acting up.  Before I had a chance toL > check it out the evening shift came in.  The janitor plugged his vacuum inI > the same power strip that the 90L was plugged into and blew the circuit"I > breaker.  He of course quietly found another receptacle to use.  In theRH > morning the circuit breaker was reset and (sure enough) the 90L is now > behaving itself. > & > Care to share your low-tech stories? > I I've had the vacumm cleaner story. In this case I would start work every eI morning to find that 2 out of 5 Alphastations had mysteriously rebooted. tM This was the middle of a hot summer so I had taken to switching the monitors  H off when not in use. I cured the problem by leaving the monitors on one 
 evening:-)  L My favourite has to be why a bar code scanner was going crazy in the middle M of the night just some weeks, other weeks not a problem. It turned out to be  K a guy working that shift pattern was hanging his overalls over the scanner r during his mid-shift break...a     ___e
 Paul Sture Switzerlandh   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:12:14 +0000t" From: Nic P Clews <nclews@csc.com> Subject: Re: Janitor fixes 90L@ Message-ID: <OF45040152.3D333D83-ON80256A00.004309F1@eu.csc.com>  ) 1. One application had a 'heartbeat' withm* the specialist comms kit and it would time out periodically.e  * Seemed that it was wired into a line where+ someone pulled the plug to plug in a kettley during the nightshift!  , 2. Strange network errors on thickwire. This) one should scare you, and it was a wondero no-one was hurt.  $ Some bright sparky put MAINS VOLTAGE( down the segment. How/why it didn't fuse) who knows but I got this story third handt$ and it may have involved three phase mains.   Nic.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Feb 2001 14:40:15 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  Subject: Re: Janitor fixes 90LH Message-ID: <y4u25g6y80.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  $ Nic P Clews <nclews@csc.com> writes:  8 > Some bright sparky put MAINS VOLTAGE down the segment.  N Now you know one of the reasons comms wires are only ever grounded at one end, if at all.    N CCD cameras often use the "trick" of supplying DC via the same coax that takes the signal out.f   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:14:30 +0000P  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: Janitor fixes 90LH Message-ID: <OF26AA901A.9317616C-ON80256A00.004E07C5@qedi.quintiles.com>  G I believe that this is one of the advantages of bridge rectifiers.  TheiC outputs "float" so can be referenced to anything provided that it'st reasonably constant (i.e. DC).  K Jan Vorbrueggen (jan at mailhost dot neuroinformatik dot ruhr dash uni dashd bochum dot de) wrote:hH >>>Now you know one of the reasons comms wires are only ever grounded at one end,
 if at all.  H CCD cameras often use the "trick" of supplying DC via the same coax that takes  the signal out.<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:40:16 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comr Subject: Re: Janitor fixes 90LD Message-ID: <OF46D356EC.083E20A1-ON88256A00.00664656@foundation.com>  K Then there was the PDP 11/73 (I think - it was the one with the switches on I the front) at a company I used to work for, that crashed reliably at 5pm,rK but only if unattended. The company didn't have space for it in the machinehK room so had put it in the corridor outside. When the system manager watchedoC from hiding at 5pm, he saw the secretaries leaving for the day, and . trailing their fingers along the switches.....   Shaneh          6 Nic P Clews <nclews@csc.com> on 02/27/2001 04:12:14 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu cc:a   Subject:  Re: Janitor fixes 90Lr    ) 1. One application had a 'heartbeat' withi* the specialist comms kit and it would time out periodically.)  * Seemed that it was wired into a line where+ someone pulled the plug to plug in a kettles during the nightshift!  , 2. Strange network errors on thickwire. This) one should scare you, and it was a wonder2 no-one was hurt.  $ Some bright sparky put MAINS VOLTAGE( down the segment. How/why it didn't fuse) who knows but I got this story third handr$ and it may have involved three phase mains.   Nic.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:25:09 +1100y/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>n" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations1 Message-ID: <DBIm6.7028$v4.288899@ozemail.com.au>e  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3A9B4896.CCAE1AE@videotron.ca... L > In support of David Dachtera's fight for low cost computing, it seems that SUN2 > has become our ally. >i* > http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade1000/ >nB > AP news reported that those workstations will sell for $1000 US. >g7 The price of the "small" configuration is $ 9,995.00 US9 Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:40:59 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations) Message-ID: <3A9B681B.EFA01010@gtech.com>n   Phil Howell wrote:: > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message' > news:3A9B4896.CCAE1AE@videotron.ca... R > > In support of David Dachtera's fight for low cost computing, it seems that SUN > > has become our ally. > >r, > > http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade1000/ > >aD > > AP news reported that those workstations will sell for $1000 US.  9 > The price of the "small" configuration is $ 9,995.00 US-  2 The I think the subject line is misleading !   :-)   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:42:59 +0100s= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>0" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations) Message-ID: <3A9B6893.2F0E10C3@gtech.com>d   JF Mezei wrote:dP > In support of David Dachtera's fight for low cost computing, it seems that SUN > has become our ally. > * > http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade1000/ > B > AP news reported that those workstations will sell for $1000 US.  8 If you want a low-cost Alpha then go to www.islandco.com and click on "Low-Cost Alpha" !    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:05:55 -0500m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>K" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations, Message-ID: <3A9B6DEF.2752D207@videotron.ca>   Phil Howell wrote:, > > http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade1000/ > >CD > > AP news reported that those workstations will sell for $1000 US. > >p9 > The price of the "small" configuration is $ 9,995.00 USh > Phil  K I think that this is a new workstation. Here is the news release: (couldn'tr find it on the sun website).   Monday February 26 9:07 PM ETt/  Sun Micro Releases New Low-Priced Workstation r  D  LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Network computer maker Sun Microsystems IncN  (NasdaqNM:SUNW - news) has introduced workstation servers for about $1,000 in a bid to.  increase its market, the firm said on Monday.  N  High-end computer companies like Sun and traditional personal computer makers are slugging itrK  out for the middle ground of computers that can handle heavy workloads but  are relatively cheap  and easy to use.s  I  The Sun Blade 100 workstation costs about half the price of the previouse bottom of the line, thet+  Sun Ultra 5 2D and works faster, Sun said.u  M  Software engineers and other primary users of the Sun Blade 100 workstation,i
 as the newP  machine is known, can also run Microsoft Corp (NasdaqNM:MSFT - news) Windows NTU  operating system, said Shahin Khan, vice president, marketing, for systems products.a  M  ``Our focus in this market segment is entirely on unit shipments,'' he said.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:03:20 +0100w= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>k" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations) Message-ID: <3A9B7B68.E80BE449@gtech.com>e   JF Mezei wrote:M. > > > http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade1000/ > > >cF > > > AP news reported that those workstations will sell for $1000 US.  M > I think that this is a new workstation. Here is the news release: (couldn'tp > find it on the sun website). >  > Monday February 26 9:07 PM ETe0 >  Sun Micro Releases New Low-Priced Workstation > F >  LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Network computer maker Sun Microsystems IncP >  (NasdaqNM:SUNW - news) has introduced workstation servers for about $1,000 in
 > a bid to0 >  increase its market, the firm said on Monday. > P >  High-end computer companies like Sun and traditional personal computer makers > are slugging ithM >  out for the middle ground of computers that can handle heavy workloads but  > are relatively cheap >  and easy to use.f > K >  The Sun Blade 100 workstation costs about half the price of the previous  > bottom of the line, thei- >  Sun Ultra 5 2D and works faster, Sun said., > O >  Software engineers and other primary users of the Sun Blade 100 workstation,i > as the newR >  machine is known, can also run Microsoft Corp (NasdaqNM:MSFT - news) Windows NTW >  operating system, said Shahin Khan, vice president, marketing, for systems products.h > O >  ``Our focus in this market segment is entirely on unit shipments,'' he said.n   ????  E MS has dropped support for SPARC, so "can run NT" => Intel processor.   % Solaris runs on Intel processor PC's.e  ? So if this article is true, the SUN are building and selling ane Intel processor PC !!!!f   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Feb 2001 11:31:32 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) " Subject: Re: Low cost workstations3 Message-ID: <Rw7zPIuizCFN@eisner.encompasserve.org>k  i In article <3A9B7B68.E80BE449@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:e > JF Mezei wrote:s/ >> > > http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade1000/l    P >>  Software engineers and other primary users of the Sun Blade 100 workstation,
 >> as the newPS >>  machine is known, can also run Microsoft Corp (NasdaqNM:MSFT - news) Windows NT X >>  operating system, said Shahin Khan, vice president, marketing, for systems products. >> hP >>  ``Our focus in this market segment is entirely on unit shipments,'' he said. >  > ???? > G > MS has dropped support for SPARC, so "can run NT" => Intel processor.e > ' > Solaris runs on Intel processor PC's.b > A > So if this article is true, the SUN are building and selling anV > Intel processor PC !!!!s    K Looking at the Sun website configuration page, it is clear that the machineoJ runs Windows when you buy an add-on card (extra cost above the base $1000) that contains an IA32 chip.a  I The basic processor of the Sun Blade 100 is a member of the SPARC family.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:57:09 -07001% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> " Subject: Re: Low cost workstations) Message-ID: <3A9BDC65.4FDDCE88@rdrop.com>e   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: >=20 > JF Mezei wrote:t0 > > > > http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade1000/ > > > > F > > > > AP news reported that those workstations will sell for $1000 = US.r  F No!  not the 1000, the *100*.  That's an order of magnitude, probably=  inkD price, too. ;-)  See http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade100/ for the $995 system.=20   D > >  Software engineers and other primary users of the Sun Blade 100D > > workstation, as the new machine is known, can also run MicrosoftA > > Corp (NasdaqNM:MSFT - news) Windows NT operating system, said A > > Shahin Khan, vice president, marketing, for systems products.q >o > ???? >=20F > MS has dropped support for SPARC, so "can run NT" =3D> Intel proces= sor.  F Website specifically says it's a SPARC box.  So it runs WINE or a cus= tomi6 version of VMWare or some other form of x86 emulation.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:12:07 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations> Message-ID: <HdRm6.12369$CW1.10261912@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> wrote in message+ news:DBIm6.7028$v4.288899@ozemail.com.au...  >b: > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message' > news:3A9B4896.CCAE1AE@videotron.ca...uI > > In support of David Dachtera's fight for low cost computing, it seemsh that > SUN  > > has become our ally. > >t, > > http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade1000/ > >rD > > AP news reported that those workstations will sell for $1000 US. > >29 > The price of the "small" configuration is $ 9,995.00 USs > Phil  I That's the Blade 1000, which will feature the much-vaunted UltraSparc IIIfJ chip if and when TI can actually fab the CPU in volume. The Blade 1000 andK its rackmount Sun Fire cousin were announced last September but remain, um,.+ "constrained" due to "overwhelming demand."9  ' And a paucity of processors, of course.   J The $1K Sun Blade 1000 uses an UltraSparc IIe processor running at 500MHz.% It replaces the $2K Ultra 5 "Darwin."e  I Even tho' things you *might* want to add to your Sun Blade 100 (keyboard, I monitor, and a 3D graphics card) will boost the price a smidgen over $1K,hL the box is a heck of a deal. I don't see CPQ flogging a $1K (or $2.5) 500MHz
 Alpha box!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:51:49 -0800a! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com " Subject: Re: Low cost workstationsD Message-ID: <OFA4BC8D87.4A8C02B4-ON88256A00.00675B4A@foundation.com>  E As Arne mentioned, go look at www.Islandco.com. They have a "low cost K Alpha" for $849 plus shipping with a 533 EV56 & 128meg. Don't see a displayiJ card, but IIRC they have those too. It proves it's possible. Somebody wake up the Q please?   ShaneV          H "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> on 02/27/2001 09:12:07 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:t  # Subject:  Re: Low cost workstationsi      : "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> wrote in message+ news:DBIm6.7028$v4.288899@ozemail.com.au...p >t: > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message' > news:3A9B4896.CCAE1AE@videotron.ca...aI > > In support of David Dachtera's fight for low cost computing, it seemsm that > SUNs > > has become our ally. > >e, > > http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade1000/ > > D > > AP news reported that those workstations will sell for $1000 US. > >n9 > The price of the "small" configuration is $ 9,995.00 US- > Phil  I That's the Blade 1000, which will feature the much-vaunted UltraSparc IIIaJ chip if and when TI can actually fab the CPU in volume. The Blade 1000 andK its rackmount Sun Fire cousin were announced last September but remain, um,s+ "constrained" due to "overwhelming demand."l  ' And a paucity of processors, of course.   J The $1K Sun Blade 1000 uses an UltraSparc IIe processor running at 500MHz.% It replaces the $2K Ultra 5 "Darwin."   I Even tho' things you *might* want to add to your Sun Blade 100 (keyboard,uI monitor, and a 3D graphics card) will boost the price a smidgen over $1K,eE the box is a heck of a deal. I don't see CPQ flogging a $1K (or $2.5)d 500MHz
 Alpha box!   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:10:29 GMTM4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>Y Subject: Luminescent Pickles, Electromagnetic Beam Weapons, What'll the DFWCUG Unveil in i> Message-ID: <p4Sm6.12377$CW1.10283667@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  K Uh-oh: the Dallas Fort Worth Computer Users Group is unleashing yet anotherd DFWDAYS event. Details are at:  $ http://dfwdays.dfwcug.org/index.html  J Thus far, Charlie Matco has been unable to obtain any information on what,F if any, Special Weapons the DFWCUG will demonstrate. Charlie will keep looking, though.   -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows Compaq  email: terryshannon@mediaone.net$ Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:25:01 +00004/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>N/ Subject: re: Machine check while in kernel modei7 Message-ID: <009F8430.01BA1FD5.16@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>e   > > * > > >I think sufficiently messed up system' > > >software can cause machine checks.1 > >  > > No.  > >   F Actually yes. It would have to access an address in IO space that was J mapped, but which did not correspond to a device register (or maybe, writeJ to a read-only register). Unless you are debugging your own device driver, that's *extremely* unlikely.   	Yours,w
 		Nigel Arnoth- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."u   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:13:12 GMTh, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>@ Subject: Re: Need to get new mail count ? with a pipe expression& Message-ID: <3A9B61BC.7873F5BD@gmx.ch>  E please s'il te plait try essaie de to speak parler also aussi EnglishoD anglais in dans a un english anglais speaking parl :-) forum forum.   D. (D.)o   Syltrem wrote: >  > Salut! > 0 > Regarde NEWMAIL.COM dans ma librairie de pgms. >  > -- >  > Sytrem" > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:23:11 +0000r  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com4 Subject: PCSI kits - where was a specific kit built?H Message-ID: <OF79DD367C.EA94053B-ON80256A00.0054437A@qedi.quintiles.com>  I With a saveset it is possible to do a listing of the saveset and find out2K where (i.e. what node) the kit was built.  Is a similar thing possible withL a PCSI kit?   J I ask because I have a kit that I have built but can't find the files thatK I used to create the kit.  I could etract all of the files and de-constructcK the PCSI$TLB file to get the text out for the messages and such like but it ? might be easier to remember where I stashed the original files.k   Steve.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:41:19 GMTh8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)8 Subject: Re: PCSI kits - where was a specific kit built?8 Message-ID: <PMQm6.190$dl6.2346@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  k In article <OF79DD367C.EA94053B-ON80256A00.0054437A@qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:i >sJ >With a saveset it is possible to do a listing of the saveset and find outL >where (i.e. what node) the kit was built.  Is a similar thing possible with  G See PRODUCt LIST.  (This works only for sequential format kits, but forwN reference formate kits you already have all the files in a directory hierarchy anyway.)  K Also see PRODUCT COPY /FORMAT to copy a sequentail kit to reference format.h  H Neither of these will get you the exact PRODUCT PACKAGE command that was used, but it will be a start.1       -- 0K     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAgH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:27:14 +0000c0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>) Subject: Re: Possible security hole in...d* Message-ID: <3A9BD562.30E3CCA3@uk.sun.com>   Robert Deininger wrote:w > J > In article <96u58n$25ed$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@cs.scranton.edu wrote: > ; > > In article <qvWi6.670$cu.2814@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>,n9 > >  hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:2 > > |>P > > |>   I have asked for additional details around this problem, and have taken0 > > |>   the report and the discussion off-line. > > |>N > > |>   And please...  *** DO NOT POST SECURITY HOLES OR SYSTEM CRASHERS ***. > >wH > > And this is the main reason why there is this perception that VMS is4 > > totally secure while the various Unixes are not. > I > It may indeed be A reason.  But if you claim it is THE MAIN reason, youe > ought to offer some evidence.o >   : Easy, how about Compaqs own apparent policy of not posting; responses to CERT advisories which OpenVMS was vunerable toh; instead prefering to push patches out for the vunerabilites13 quietly documenting the fixes in the patch reports.:  : I say apparent because this may not be a Compaq policy but0 it is of course what has happened none the less.  : Certain people have taken this silence on Compaqs part to 6 be an  illustration of how secure OpenVMS is relative 7 to other OS's when in fact all Compaq seem to have donei% is excercised their right to silence.    Regardsn Andrew Harrisonh Enterprise IT Architecty   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:53:48 GMTu2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: Possible security hole in...-8 Message-ID: <wYQm6.193$dl6.2362@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  ] In article <3A9BD562.30E3CCA3@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:s  ; :Easy, how about Compaqs own apparent policy of not postinge< :responses to CERT advisories which OpenVMS was vunerable to< :instead prefering to push patches out for the vunerabilites4 :quietly documenting the fixes in the patch reports. :o; :I say apparent because this may not be a Compaq policy but 1 :it is of course what has happened none the less.l :r; :Certain people have taken this silence on Compaqs part to ,7 :be an  illustration of how secure OpenVMS is relative e8 :to other OS's when in fact all Compaq seem to have done& :is excercised their right to silence.    J   The interest of Sun Marketing in OpenVMS Security has been instrumental H   in my being able to light a fire under a few of the appropriate local K   security keisters, and I'd like to thank Mr Harrison his assistance here.a    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:43:35 +0000l0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>) Subject: Re: Possible security hole in...r* Message-ID: <3A9BD937.64C35B1F@uk.sun.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Robert Deininger wrote:?
 > > [snip]K > > The point is, posting details of a security hole would not get it fixed9; > > any faster, but would expose far more sites to hackers.o > 4 > IMO, it's kind of a rock-and-hard-place situation. > H > Yeah, we'd all like to know if someone found a hole, and especially ifI > they know how to fix it. On the other hand, we don't want to "leave the " > kiddies unguarded", so to speak. > J > In the past, Digital was forthcoming with "Security MUPs" and such, likeA > ECOs that were recommended to close an undescribed but recently  > discovered security hole.e > 5 This may well be true, but I would seriously question 8 the practice of not posting responses to CERT advisories7 for example. Many of the denial of service attacks are n8 generic ones and not posting a response does not improve9 security/availability but instead lulls the less informed9  into a false sense of security.     9 Of course it also depends on how you respond as well, the : best example of a rather unhelpfull response is contained 3 in a Compaq response to a denial of service attack  < vunerability which if the response is correct still appears = to still exist for Tru64 and OpenVMS. The response was stick rA your Tru64/OpenVMS boxes behind a firewall, that should stop the s7 Internet hacks and if anyone does this internally fire n them (or words to that effect).a  8 Reading the advisory also reveals that Tru64 and OpenVMS9 are apparently the only two major commercial OS's withoute4 an OS level fix for the issue, this excludes MS who 5 also don't post CERT responses (they arn't a member).o     Regardsh Andrew Harrison2 Enterprise IT Architecta   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Feb 2001 12:37:31 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)u) Subject: Re: Possible security hole in...d3 Message-ID: <aYGovC$esQZN@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  ] In article <3A9BD937.64C35B1F@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:i  : > Reading the advisory also reveals that Tru64 and OpenVMS; > are apparently the only two major commercial OS's without-6 > an OS level fix for the issue, this excludes MS who 7 > also don't post CERT responses (they arn't a member).h  D Well certainly there would never be an OS level fix for this on VMS,D since the vulnerability (if any) would be in a layered product. ThatB technicality aside, as of this morning I thought the advisory said6 Compaq was "still evaluating" or words to that effect.  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:32:18 +0100 - From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>t0 Subject: Re: QUESTION: BZIP2 For OpenVMS Anyone?3 Message-ID: <3A9B6611.734A591A@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>h   Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > > Robert Alan Byer wrote:S8 > > > Has anyone looked at the porting BZIP2 to OpenVMS? > > >u8 > > > (The "offical" WWW page with source for this is atJ > > > http://sources.redhat.com/bzip2/index.html if anyone is interested.) > > >BO > > > I've been seeing this format more and more lately in software development I > > > and was interested in knowing if anyone has a OpenVMS version sinceaP > > > unpacking files on a PC and then transfering them is getting to be a pain. > > K > > I thought I'd seen bzip2 for OpenVMS somewhere. Like most UN*X portees,sJ > > it's likely to not support RMS. So, after unpacking an archive, you'llJ > > likely need to make your own decision(s) on how to SET FILE/ATTRIBUTESI > > for each file you unpack. Even a ".tbz" (.tar_bz) archive could still-J > > present this problem, since the source system was likely not one which > > supports RMS.l >  > ???? > H > I have never had problems with GZIP -D & TAR XVF or BZIP2 -D & TAR XVF > and record attributes !8 > D > The capability to support RMS attributes are essential when moving > VMS->VMS.  > ; > But UNIX->VMS is not a problem, because text->STREAM_LF &0 > binary->FIXED512 > works for 99.9% of cases.uF But the problem arises when you do successive gzip,gunzip,gzip,gunzip B etc. on a binary (i.e. fixed512) file. What comes out of gunzip is? always STREAM_LF which may be gziped wrong corrupting your datan completely.s                  Jouk`   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:02:34 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 0 Subject: Re: QUESTION: BZIP2 For OpenVMS Anyone?) Message-ID: <3A9BA56A.9FFAF848@gtech.com>c   Jouk Jansen wrote: > Arne Vajhj wrote:J > > I have never had problems with GZIP -D & TAR XVF or BZIP2 -D & TAR XVF > > and record attributes !  > >nF > > The capability to support RMS attributes are essential when moving
 > > VMS->VMS.n > > = > > But UNIX->VMS is not a problem, because text->STREAM_LF &  > > binary->FIXED512 > > works for 99.9% of cases.-  G > But the problem arises when you do successive gzip,gunzip,gzip,gunzipaD > etc. on a binary (i.e. fixed512) file. What comes out of gunzip isA > always STREAM_LF which may be gziped wrong corrupting your dataw
 > completely.   ; I guess so. But that is what I would call "a special case".n   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:45:38 +00000- From: Peter Harding <harding@herald.ox.ac.uk>o' Subject: Replacement for PrintServer 32/. Message-ID: <3A9BD9B2.3D931F7@herald.ox.ac.uk>   Hi y'all  E We've just about LaTeX-mailmerged our three PrintServer 32's into the F ground and we'd like to replace them with something similarly capable.= The banner pages probably tell you useful stuff that we don't  understand:a  H "Digital Equipment Corporation                    PrintServer 32 LPS321"H "OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-1H2                        DECPrint Supervisor V1.5"  A (although I believe the V7.1-1H2 is soon to be changed to V7.2-1)u  G We need serious postscript machinery with a good spread of tray options-F that'll do 32ppm 24 hours/day for six months and then take shorter andC irregular bouts of similar hard use for four or five years, but ouroG technical chaps are folding their arms and saying "No; they don't do it>H any more." We find that hard to swallow. Is there something we can point# them at and say "What about those?"b   Many thanksf   -- p http://i.am/getting_marriedm, ICQ 40628243 Tel 07092057581 Fax 08707345230   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:17:11 +0000m+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> + Subject: Re: Replacement for PrintServer 320' Message-ID: <3A9BE117.472AC2F9@iee.org>    Peter Harding wrote:I > We need serious postscript machinery with a good spread of tray optionsUH > that'll do 32ppm 24 hours/day for six months and then take shorter andE > irregular bouts of similar hard use for four or five years, but our I > technical chaps are folding their arms and saying "No; they don't do itmJ > any more." We find that hard to swallow. Is there something we can point% > them at and say "What about those?"h  5 We've just installed a Lexmark W810 which does 32ppm,n0 duplex and some large number of pages per month,( probably 150K or so. It looks moderately( heavy duty (certainly looks heavier duty% than the 2 aging LPS32s it replaced).o  0 While I don't necessarily recommend this printer, (it's only been around for a while) it would* seem that heavy-duty PS printers do exist.. (And I don't think this was necessarily top of the range either).  ' When we were looking, Brother seemed tow' have heavy-duty stuff too. Obviously we8$ didn't order those so I'm just going by their web pages here.  $ We aren't printing to the w810 from ' OpenVMS so I cannot comment on it from i$ that point of view - although, since" can be a PS printer it should just work right :-)  , If you absolutely need that 1.5M pages/month# maybe you should buy N printers andC spread the load a little?d   Antonioo   -- /   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:23:44 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>) Subject: Re: Samba on OpenVMS & passwordsi+ Message-ID: <VA.000002d0.8978aac4@sture.ch>a  I In article <01Feb26.102223cet.119041@gateway.add.si>, Borut Kurnik wrote:a* > From: Borut Kurnik <borut.kurnik@add.si> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmse' > Subject: Samba on OpenVMS & passwordsd' > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:17:26 +0100e >  > Hi!  > N > I have installed Samba 2.0.6 on OpenVMS 7.2-1 running on a DS20 Alpha serverA > I wonder what must I do to get the encrypted passwords to work.l > When I put thisv > O There's a .REG file in the distribution which you can run on an NT box to send l  clear passwords. Here is a copy:   ;nt4_plainpassword.reg REGEDIT4  0 ;Contributor:   Tim Small (tim.small@virgin.net) ;Updated:  20 August 1997c ;Status:   Current ;oL ;Subject:  Registry file to enable plain text passwords in NT4-SP3 and later  E [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Rdr\Parameters]i( "EnablePlainTextPassword"=dword:00000001  L Simply run it from a DOS prompt. IIRC you need to reboot the NT box as well. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlanda   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:41:02 +0100-+ From: "Peter Kille" <peter.kille@volvo.com>0) Subject: Re: Samba on OpenVMS & passwords<, Message-ID: <97g21e$fa3$1@vg170.it.volvo.se>   Hi.l  4 I also tried that a while ago, had some trouble with3 passwords as well, now i pointed out my PDC and BDCoL as password servers, works better. (I also tried with a Linux file but i did
 not work). [global]    workgroup = VDS    netbiosname = KALKONa    dead time = 10.    map archive = nor    printing = bsdu2    printcap name = /sys$manager/tcpip$printcap.dat    load printers = noG    status = yes.E    print command = print %f/queue=%p/delete/passall/name="""""%s"""""t!    lprm command = delete/entry=%jq    security = server&    password server = VSES0200 VSES0201    default service = default    create mode = 0777 0 ********These two shares works for me*********** [samba]@    comment = Kalkon Sambaj    path = /dsa1/sambaw    public = yesd    writable = yes9    printable = noa [distr]k    comment = Kalkon distrt    path = /dsa1/distrd    public = yess    writable = yesa    printable = no 
 BR , Peter  5 "Borut Kurnik" <borut.kurnik@add.si> wrote in messagei/ news:01Feb26.102223cet.119041@gateway.add.si...o > Hi!d > G > I have installed Samba 2.0.6 on OpenVMS 7.2-1 running on a DS20 Alphaa serverA > I wonder what must I do to get the encrypted passwords to work.s > When I put this  >R9 > smb passwd file = /samba_root/var/private/SMBPASSWD.DATi >nH > into my SMB.CONF and use smbpasswd program, it said it had changed the# > password, but didn't do anything.hK > I tried to use a file password file from linux but didn't work either. Som: > till now I could only work without passwords (as guest). >5 > And another thing: > C > path=dka100:[public.all]        works, but     /dka100/public/alln doesnt > ???? >a >a	 > Thanks,  >l > Borutu >o >.
 > [global] >    workgroup = ADDSMB1 >    netbios name = GVIDOI >    netbios aliases = gvido* >    server string = GVIDO as Samba Server >    encrypt passwords = Yes > ;   mangled names = No > ;   encrypt passwords = No >    hide dot files = No >    map system = Yesc >    printing = bsdw> >    printcap name = /sys$sysroot/tcpip$lpd/tcpip$printcap.dat@ >    print command = print %s /queue=%p /delete/name=SAMBA_PRINT* >    lppause command = samba_lppause %p %j, >    lpresume command = samba_lpresume %p %j" >    lpq command = samba_lpstat %p$ >    lprm command = samba_lprm %p %jL > ;   lpq cache time = 0 ;future when next OpenVMS release uses SYS$GETQUI()9 > ;   smbrun = project_root:[samba_vms.bin]smbrun.exe_axpC >    load printers = yes@ > ;   socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192@ >    socket options = SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 SO_KEEPALIVE > ;   keepalive = 30 >    guest account = LUJF > ;  This next option sets a separate log file for each client. Remove( > ;  it if you want a combined log file.( > ;   log file = /usr/local/samba/log.%m' >     log file = /samba_root/var/%m.logt > ;    log file = sys$output/5 >0H > ;  You will need a world readable lock directory and "share modes=yes"E > ;  if you want to support the file sharing modes for multiple userst > ;  of the same files0 > ;  lock directory = /usr/local/samba/var/locks >   share modes = yesT >   security = usero >   share modes = yess >   map to guest = Bad Passwords > ;a
 > ; new stuff  > ;  debug pid = Yes > ;  debug uid = Yes >   level2 oplocks = TrueFL > ; magic script = SAMBA_MAGIC.COM ;experimental, will this work on OpenVMS?" > ; magic output = SAMBA_MAGIC.LOG
 > ; new stuff  > ;  max xmit = 8192 >a >   blocking locks = Truei, >   message command = samba_message %f %t %sK > ; ole locking compatibility must be off, or VMS will create a giant emptyt > files!" >   ole locking compatibility = no >e0 > ; unix password sync = no ! VMS password chat.2 > ;  password chat = "*Enter OLD password*" %o\n \2 > ;                  "*Enter NEW password*" %n\n \5 > ;                  "*Reenter NEW password*" %\n\n \.) > ;                  "*Password changed*"o > ;  >    password server = gulp < >    smb passwd file = /samba_root/var/private/SMBPASSWD.DAT" > ;  passwd program = SET PASSWORD. > ;  passwd chat debug = True     ; Debug only > ;m > ; nmbd > ; local master = yes ;defaultt" > ; preferred master = no; default > 
 > [public]( >     comment = Public temporary storage >     path = /dka100/public/allc >     writeable = Yes> >     browsable = Yes. >     public = Yes >     guest ok = Yes >A >R >* >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:23:44 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>9 Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'u+ Message-ID: <VA.000002cf.8978a8f7@sture.ch>   J In article <OF04080252.4D806D37-ON802569FF.00433D0D@qedi.quintiles.com>,   wrote:" > From: steven.reece@quintiles.com > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsr; > Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'a' > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:17:52 +0000n >  >  > K > Would be OK if Corel still owned WordPerfect as far as VMS was concerned. ? > I thought they flogged it to someone else a few years back...  >e  D IIRC the VMS version of WordPerfect was based on an old DOS version.  M AFAIK Corel still own WP for Windows and Linux. I've got the Windows version eH and it feels very solid. I have toyed in the past with trying the Linux M version. IIRC some of the other packages in the suite, if not all, have been : ported too.r  M > It might take a fair amount of learning on Corel's part, given that most ofhK > their stuff was PC based whereas the graphics in OpenVMS would have to betL > centred around X.  CorelDraw on a VAXstation or AlphaStation at reasonable9 > price would be cool though.  Knock the spots off Visio.o > M But if they have already ported to Linux, much of the X stuff should already e be done. >  > David Mathog commented:vM > >>>Compaq really should buy Corel (asking price is approximately 0 dollars)aI > and use it to provide a software base for the Alpha.  If Compaq doesn't K > spend the money nobody else will either.  Last time I used wordperfect itCI > worked a lot better than StarOffice does.  Plus some of the programs in J > Corel's stable are really very good, like CorelDraw.  Nothing I tried in, > StarOffice was anywhere near that quality. > <<<t >    ___V
 Paul Sture Switzerlandr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:34:35 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>9 Subject: Re: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'-* Message-ID: <3A9BF33B.81D1C43C@uk.sun.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:S > - > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:l >  > > OpenVMS in desktop ? >  > > - FireWire/ > PCI-Firewire cards available. Needs a driver.n >    So no !!    	 > > - USB.D > F888 no. Do you REALLY want to replace all your existing printers, > modems, GPS,... etc etc? >   : USB has its uses, Handspring cradles for example. But then/ you need Palm sync support in your OS as well. c   > > - Citrix clientt > Why? >   - Pretty usefull if you need to run any MS appso in your desktop.   > > - Star Officeo1 > Ask Sun. BTW, I have no use for such a package.l >   5 Don't ask us, Sun isn't porting StarOffice to OpenVMSy1 and the suggestion that we should is pretty well n1 countered by the OpenVMS isn't a desktop OS theme.! which is prevelent in this group.r  2 If you want a StarOffice port ask Compaq don't ask Sun its their responsibility.n   Regardsd Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Feb 2001 11:35:50 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)lH Subject: Sun Blade 100 with a VMS monitor ? (was: Low cost workstations)3 Message-ID: <GJoW7p1W0Gqv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3A9B4896.CCAE1AE@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:eP > In support of David Dachtera's fight for low cost computing, it seems that SUN > has become our ally. > * > http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade1000/ > B > AP news reported that those workstations will sell for $1000 US.  ! And the Sun web site confirms it.n   Ok, I am interested.  > That $1000 price is without a monitor, and while a keyboard is= an option "required" by Sun, a monitor is only "recommended".r  = Since I am already swimming in VMS monitors (they work, but Iu= can only sit in front of a limited number at a time), I would'9 prefer to use the Sun Blade 100 with an existing monitor.   I Does anyone have experience using a Sun workstation with a VMS-compatiblen	 monitor ?o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:02:28 +0000F+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>rL Subject: Re: Sun Blade 100 with a VMS monitor ? (was: Low cost workstations)' Message-ID: <3A9BDDA4.5CF69AE2@iee.org>m   Larry Kilgallen wrote:? > Since I am already swimming in VMS monitors (they work, but I@? > can only sit in front of a limited number at a time), I wouldT; > prefer to use the Sun Blade 100 with an existing monitor.i  / My Sun Ultra 5 has (S)VGA output. So any of thet/ recent monitors should do (since the tend to beo- SVGA & BNC) but a VRT19 might be an issue :-)t   Antonion   --     --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgw   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Feb 2001 12:40:56 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)iL Subject: Re: Sun Blade 100 with a VMS monitor ? (was: Low cost workstations)3 Message-ID: <CM5L$cBDAYaO@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  U In article <3A9BDDA4.5CF69AE2@iee.org>, "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:= >  >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:@ >> Since I am already swimming in VMS monitors (they work, but I@ >> can only sit in front of a limited number at a time), I would< >> prefer to use the Sun Blade 100 with an existing monitor. > 1 > My Sun Ultra 5 has (S)VGA output. So any of thee1 > recent monitors should do (since the tend to be / > SVGA & BNC) but a VRT19 might be an issue :-)e   Thank you Antonio.  E While I have a couple of VRT19s, I also have some of the more genericiD monitors.  It is reassuring to know that Sun does not have their ownE unique way of doing it (like Sbus), as I have read a lot lately aboutt$ special Sun cables for KVM switches.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:30:45 +1300n6 From: "antony wardle" <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz> Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.01 Message-ID: <NvJm6.7059$v4.290158@ozemail.com.au>    that will be 5.0A eco 2   - You might want to check the firmware/pal codek0 of your motherboard as well. Can an es40 run vms versions prior to 7.2-1 ?o       Cheers   antony    0 "steve smith" <ssmith@lbpc.com> wrote in message news:dlxm6.23$H61.516@client...hL > I need to upgrade from 4.2 to 5.0 of tcpip, before going to AlphaVMs 7.2-1I > on my ES40. Besides the patch for 5.0, is anyone aware of anything elseZ that5 > I need to check into before performing the upgrade.iI > I plan to backup the system disk to a spare disk, boot off of the spare  and + > upgrade it to tcpip 5.0, as a safety net.E >L > --
 > Steve Smith5 > Manager Technical Services > Information Technology > Law Bulletin Publishing Co.n > (312)644-7807 Ext.137  > (312)644-4355 Fax1 > ndelise@LBPC.com > http://www.lawbulletin.com >F >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 03:10:53 -0600 0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com> Subject: RE: TCPIP 5.0C Message-ID: <MOEAJKGGEIMGCCPEPJBHMENBDIAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>m  A We were running 7.1-2 prior to upgrading to 7.2-1h1 on our ES40s.9   artF   -----Original Message-----; From: antony wardle [mailto:antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz]m( Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 2:31 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.0     that will be 5.0A eco 2b  - You might want to check the firmware/pal code 0 of your motherboard as well. Can an es40 run vms versions prior to 7.2-1 ?y       Cheers   antony    0 "steve smith" <ssmith@lbpc.com> wrote in message news:dlxm6.23$H61.516@client...gL > I need to upgrade from 4.2 to 5.0 of tcpip, before going to AlphaVMs 7.2-1I > on my ES40. Besides the patch for 5.0, is anyone aware of anything elsee that5 > I need to check into before performing the upgrade.lI > I plan to backup the system disk to a spare disk, boot off of the spare1 and5+ > upgrade it to tcpip 5.0, as a safety net.l >x > --
 > Steve Smithp > Manager Technical Services > Information Technology > Law Bulletin Publishing Co.l > (312)644-7807 Ext.137X > (312)644-4355 Fax  > ndelise@LBPC.com > http://www.lawbulletin.com >e >c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:29:23 +0100u= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>t Subject: Tivoli on VMS) Message-ID: <3A9BABB3.A0D641CE@gtech.com>p    Are anyone using Tivoli on VMS ?   If yes:e'   - then how does it work technically ?7?   - how does one configure it to monitor or do certain things ?c4   - how is the effect on performance (CPU, memory) ?   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:07:20 +0100t' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>a$ Subject: Re: UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP ???) Message-ID: <3A9BECD8.9C1C0B5@iaf.fhg.de>o   Craig S. Lombardi wrote: >  > Try the following: >  > $ define/system lpd_rcv 15 > $ define/system lpd_debug 15 > K > I stumbled upon those investigating another problem with printcap.  In myFK > UCX$PRINTCAP.DAT file, I couldn't receive anything to the spool directory:4 > from an LPR client if the sd directive was set to: >  > ":sd=UCX$LPD_SPOOL:" >  > ...but it works fine withD >   > ":sd=/mysysdisk/sys0/ucx_lpd:" > L > Took me a few days to figure this one out, anybody else ever been stung by > this?UC > In my config, I accepted install defaults in which UCX$ LPD_SPOOLrH > translates to SYS$SPECIFIC:[UCX_LPD].  I installed several patches andG > ECO's but they were no help.  This is on a DEC 4000 Model 300 runningo% > OpenVMS/Alpha V6.1, UCX V4.2/ECO 4.  > C > When I turned on those debug logicals, my UCX$LPD_RCV_STARTUP.LOGh > kept showing stuff like: > * >   $       run sys$system:ucx$lpd_rcv.exe4 >   (lpd$recvjob.c/309) About to call recvinetd()...+ >   (lpd$recvjob.c/1486) Entering recvinetdi1 >   (lpd$recvjob.c/1497) About to use sizeof()...r7 >   (lpd$recvjob.c/1501) About to call getpeername()...i/ >   (lpd$recvjob.c/312) About to call doit()...d$ >   Input Buffer Dump: (Length = 15) >   \ 2UCX$LPD_QUEUE\ Ak? >   (lpd$recvjob.c/459) Receive a job for printer UCX$LPD_QUEUEl( >   (lpd$recvjob.c/743) Entering readjob$ >   Input Buffer Dump: (Length = 16) >   \ 253 cfA582CHAMP\ A= >   (lpd$recvjob.c/883) Receive control file cfA582CHAMP (53)o  >   (lpd$recvjob.c/892) CF firstB >   (lpd$recvjob.c/1240) getfilename UCX$LPD_SPOOL/cfA582CHAMP.DAT6 >   (lpd$recvjob.c/1119) Error creating file name st:1  D Your system is unable to create the file, I guess you have the wrong path.      > H >   %%%%%%%%%%%%                   26-FEB-2001 09:19:30.21  %%%%%%%%%%%%# >   %UCX-E-LPD_FILERROR, File error-2 > UCX$LPD_SPOOL/cfA582CHAMP.DAT-SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, n > ormal successful completione > ' >   %UCX-E-LPD_FILERROR, File error !ASd< >     UCX_LPD      job terminated at 26-FEB-2001 09:19:30.33 > M > In summary, my printcap entry (file UCX$PRINTCAP.DAT ) now looks like this:n >  > #. > # LOCAL PRINTERS > #u > UCX$LPD_QUEUE:\  >         :lp=UCX$LPD_QUEUE:\s  >         :sd=/ad0/sys0/ucx_lpd:                    ^7 Check this name  |  does your system have a drive ad0 ? + Disk names are like: da0, dka0, but ad0 ???a   > K > Hope this helps someone else!  After the fact, I recall reading somewhere'L > that file names or logicals containing "$" can cause problems.  Maybe that% > was the root cause of this problem.p >  > Marc Van den Eynden wrote: >  > > Hi all,m > >t9 > > How can I find out which printcap entry is too long ? 3 > > Is there some sort of DEBUG logical I can set ?n > >  > > All I get is:3 > >l > > 1. This OPCOM message: > >M& > > Message from user INTERnet on xxxx9 > > INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit  Status =n > > %UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP > > K > > 2. Contents of a lot of UCX$LPD_RCV_STARTUP.LOG files (a new one each 5- > > seconds) > >-
 > > $       !, > > $       ! Run receiver. 
 > > $       !l* > > $       run sys$system:ucx$lpd_rcv.exe > >oH > > %%%%%%%%%%%%                    5-DEC-2000 17:17:48.84  %%%%%%%%%%%%1 > > %UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP, Printcap entry too longl > >h1 > > %UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP, Printcap entry too longD< > >   UCX_LPD      job terminated at  5-DEC-2000 17:17:48.87 > >i > > -------  > > If it matters: > >wJ > > This is DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS AXP Version V4.0 - ECO Level 56 > >   on a AlphaServer 1000 4/266 running OpenVMS V6.2 > > -------n > >d > > TIA,	 > > Marc.= > > 9 > > (I know, I should upgrade to v5.x, but until then ??)t > >s > > -- > > Marc Van den Eyndeno > >  > > Siemens Business Services ! > > p/a Siemens Atea, Atealaan 340 > > B-2200 Herentals, Belgiume > >f< > > # Above message 100% recyclable, if *you* do not print #       Regards, -- m  ; ***********************************************************b; *                                                         * ; *  Theo Jakobus                                           * ; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  * ; *  Tullastr. 72                                           *0; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *a; *  Germany                                                *l; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *p; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           * ; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            *O; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *a; *                                                         *s; ***********************************************************I   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:03:52 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.ukR Subject: Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search	Engine...)/ Message-ID: <00256A00.004248D3.00@quegw01.btyp>   L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza     Really? Is that true?y  K It doesn't work like that in the UK, because many agencies thought it would K disuade people from calling them [Childline, Samaritans, Rape Crisis, CrimetH Stoppers etc] so do the respective US agencies not use freecall numbers?   Steve Spires        K moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) on 27/02/2001 07:03:19 AMm    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)oO From:      moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney), 27 February 2001,a            7:03 a.m.  J Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine ...)        9 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:=H >> :So I would urge everyone (in the US) who wants a SPAM-free newsgroupH >> :to call _both_ numbers and express that sentiment.  The spammer will  >> :cheerfully pay for the call. >>O >>   You assume that this is not something that is targeting the owner of these/M >>   toll-free numbers -- by calling the number, you could be costing someone5L >>   that the spammer has targeted the money, and not costing the spammer...  E >You may want to precede the number with the caller-id block code, if 0 >your local telephone provider has this service.  A >In Metro Chicago (Ameritech), dial *67 first to block caller id.   F Caller ID block does *NOT* block your number when calling 800 numbers!, Remember this before doing something stupid.   -Mikee   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Feb 2001 07:53 CSTe' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)iR Subject: Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search	Engine...)- Message-ID: <27FEB200107532261@gerg.tamu.edu>g  ( Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk writes... }Really? Is that true? } L }It doesn't work like that in the UK, because many agencies thought it wouldL }disuade people from calling them [Childline, Samaritans, Rape Crisis, CrimeI }Stoppers etc] so do the respective US agencies not use freecall numbers?  } 
 }Steve Spiresr  G There's a fundamental difference: in the US all local calls are "free". G (I.E. There is no time related charge, well not on normal home phones -aK wireless is different, as are the public pay phones.) It's a flat per-month=K charge for local service (which is also why internet access has always been H relatively inexpensive in the US), generally some $15 or so plus variousH fees, taxes, special feature charges, etc. The 800 type numbers are freeJ for the caller from anywhere in the US (and possibly Canada) - it's a freeI long-distance call. Thus, calls to the various local agencies or branches0H of agencies will not cost anything over the basic service cost anyway ifD using a normal phone. Caller ID blocking would work for those calls.   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Feb 2001 12:54:18 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)sR Subject: Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search	Engine...)3 Message-ID: <q0qV0g8yBSoh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <27FEB200107532261@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:h > I > There's a fundamental difference: in the US all local calls are "free".oI > (I.E. There is no time related charge, well not on normal home phones -fM > wireless is different, as are the public pay phones.) It's a flat per-monthI > charge for local service   No, common misconception.I  A Many people have unlimitted access local calls.  You pay a higher D monthly fee for that.  Most local phone systems offer other options," ususally message rate and economy.  E Message rate provides a certain amount of calling for a fixed monthlyt4 fee, after that you get additional per call charges.  E Economy comes at the lowest monthly rate.  There's a charge for everyo' local call, about 8 throughout the US.o  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporations= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupbE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingi   ------------------------------   Date: 27 FEB 2001 15:16:01 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)N Subject: Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine6 Message-ID: <27FEB01.15160165@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  O In a previous article, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:e ->Hoff Hoffman wrote:  ->> P ->>   You assume that this is not something that is targeting the owner of theseN ->>   toll-free numbers -- by calling the number, you could be costing someoneM ->>   that the spammer has targeted the money, and not costing the spammer...  -> sF ->You may want to precede the number with the caller-id block code, if1 ->your local telephone provider has this service.  -> EB ->In Metro Chicago (Ameritech), dial *67 first to block caller id.  G For an 800 number, I don't believe that will have any effect. The owner B of the 800 number will still see the calling number on their bill.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:20:07 GMTu2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)T Subject: Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine  ...)8 Message-ID: <HAPm6.177$dl6.2197@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>  g In article <3A9B2879.4F4EC730@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  :Hoff Hoffman wrote:  O :>   You assume that this is not something that is targeting the owner of thesepM :>   toll-free numbers -- by calling the number, you could be costing someone:L :>   that the spammer has targeted the money, and not costing the spammer... :nE :You may want to precede the number with the caller-id block code, ifD0 :your local telephone provider has this service.     Simplifying...  A   Toll-free numbers receive ANI (automatic number identification) G   signalling on the trunk line, not via the analog caller Id mechanism.h  3   The calling number information cannot be blocked.m     ANI is not caller id.    	--w  E   Again, I hope *your* 800 number does not get posted by one of these F   spamming folks, leaving you to get deluged by angry spam recipients.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:03:19 GMT-7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)2S Subject: Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine ...)t& Message-ID: <G9EM9K.2Mu@world.std.com>  9 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:gH >> :So I would urge everyone (in the US) who wants a SPAM-free newsgroupH >> :to call _both_ numbers and express that sentiment.  The spammer will  >> :cheerfully pay for the call. >>  O >>   You assume that this is not something that is targeting the owner of thesenM >>   toll-free numbers -- by calling the number, you could be costing someoneuL >>   that the spammer has targeted the money, and not costing the spammer...  E >You may want to precede the number with the caller-id block code, if20 >your local telephone provider has this service.  A >In Metro Chicago (Ameritech), dial *67 first to block caller id.   F Caller ID block does *NOT* block your number when calling 800 numbers!, Remember this before doing something stupid.   -Mikea   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:40:01 -0500t, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>S Subject: Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine ...)u> Message-ID: <hshubs-F63E32.02400027022001@news.mindspring.com>  & In article <G9EM9K.2Mu@world.std.com>,9  moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:   G >Caller ID block does *NOT* block your number when calling 800 numbers!i  G Right, because what 800 numbers get is something else, called ANI IIRC.i -- i Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:50:00 GMTr= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)2S Subject: Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine ...)u0 Message-ID: <009F8411.F7AF7FCE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <3A9B2879.4F4EC730@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:u >Hoff Hoffman wrote: >> ar >> In article <v7nPQn3mgWfV@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:G >> :In article <200102260559.NAA18148@pub>, mb65@asean-mail.com writes:. >> :>p! >> :> Removal instructions below.  >> : >> :<spam body removed>  >> : >> :> Mike Bendero >> :> 888-532-xxxx >> :M >> :The recording that answers this line says it is "Internet Professionals".s >> :% >> :> To be removed call: 888-800-xxxr >> :E >> :The recording that answers this line says it is "1-800-xxxxxxx...t >>  H >> :So I would urge everyone (in the US) who wants a SPAM-free newsgroupH >> :to call _both_ numbers and express that sentiment.  The spammer will  >> :cheerfully pay for the call. >>  O >>   You assume that this is not something that is targeting the owner of theserM >>   toll-free numbers -- by calling the number, you could be costing someone-L >>   that the spammer has targeted the money, and not costing the spammer... >.E >You may want to precede the number with the caller-id block code, ifa0 >your local telephone provider has this service. >rA >In Metro Chicago (Ameritech), dial *67 first to block caller id.o  G You're asking the folks here to, in essence, do the same thing that the G telemarketteers do -- hide their identity.  Many of the telemarketteers G call with unavailable numbers which is worse than "private caller mask- E ing".  I recently installed a new service on my phones called "caller6E intercept" to deal with the incessant telemarketteers and the "DrunkseG Against Mad Mothers" begging for funds.  If you call with a number that F can not be identified, the phone company intercepts it.  The caller isE required to answer with their name and phone number at a voice promptkG that they are played.  Most -- if not all -- of the telemarketteers andtG the DAMM money beggars simply hand up at this point.  It costs a little 7 to have the service but the silence is well worth it.  0  E What I'm saying is don't abuse the abusers.  Two wrongs do not make alD right.  The SPAM(mer) that is being discussed here should be trackedF down and be made to face having their access to the internet disabled.E If they abused any machines in the commission of their SPAM (ie. opengG relays), the owners of the relays should be alerted and, if at all pos-dF sible, they should seek legal remedies against the SPAMmer.  There areE ways to put an end to this SPAM.  Running up some phone charges which)E haven't been verified as belonging to the SPAMmer is not the way.  If1E you could verify the legitimacy of the number SPAmmer relationship, IUF would say that might be a way to "teach them a lesson" but it will not diminish the levels of SPAM.  E I've put a lot of effort into tracking down SPAMmers that post to thepD VMSnet.Employment newsgroup since I took over moderation.  In recentE weeks/months, the volume of SPAM to the newsgroup has diminished con-tD siderably.  I suggest you take the time to track down the SPAMmer orC the origin of the relay used, and forward copies of the SPAM to thewF appropriate abuse@ address.  The more complaints the abuse@ groups re-D ceive on a single SPAM, the more likely it is that the abuse@ groupsE will take action.  If you figure out a source of SPAM or the SPAMmer,lC post that to the newsgroups so we can all enter our objections withC the approriate abuse@ groups.s --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMh            nO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Feb 2001 08:45:09 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)rS Subject: Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High Search Engine ...)c3 Message-ID: <ewwCl7k2xd2P@eisner.encompasserve.org>j  ` In article <G9EM9K.2Mu@world.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:; > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:UI >>> :So I would urge everyone (in the US) who wants a SPAM-free newsgrouphI >>> :to call _both_ numbers and express that sentiment.  The spammer willi! >>> :cheerfully pay for the call.j >>> P >>>   You assume that this is not something that is targeting the owner of theseN >>>   toll-free numbers -- by calling the number, you could be costing someoneM >>>   that the spammer has targeted the money, and not costing the spammer...% > F >>You may want to precede the number with the caller-id block code, if1 >>your local telephone provider has this service.- > B >>In Metro Chicago (Ameritech), dial *67 first to block caller id. > H > Caller ID block does *NOT* block your number when calling 800 numbers!. > Remember this before doing something stupid.  K If you want to talk about doing something _stupid_, Caller ID block may notuK be effective when calling non-800 numbers either, since once the police get/I involved they can get at audit information not available to the consumer.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:34:55 -0500i" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>Q Subject: Re: US telephone vote on SPAM in comp.os.vms (was: High SearchEngine...)u: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010227103156.01a674b8@24.8.96.48>  0 At 07:53 AM 2/27/2001 -0600, Carl Perkins wrote: >The 800 type numbers are freeK >for the caller from anywhere in the US (and possibly Canada) - it's a freeaJ >long-distance call. Thus, calls to the various local agencies or branchesI >of agencies will not cost anything over the basic service cost anyway ifuE >using a normal phone. Caller ID blocking would work for those calls.n  J Caller ID blocking does *not* block information being sent to WATS lines, L unless things have changed in the past year or two. If you call a toll-free O number in the US, it's best to assume that the other end has your phone number.-   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even ;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:51:59 -0700a From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> & Subject: Re: VAX emulator for DOS/Win?' Message-ID: <3A9BDB2F.C793BE65@srv.net>d  . There is also the somewhat usable program here  % 	http://www.forest-edge.net/evax.htmlu  ) But it isn't capable of running full VMS.a   Timothy Stark wrote: > 8 > "Stefan Klopfer" <stefan.kloepfer@de.bosch.com> wrote:< > > can somebody please help me with the following question: > < > > I have got a programme on a VAX that I would like to run > > under DOS or Windows.  > C > > How could I do it? Is there an emulator? Where could I find it?  >  > > Thank you very much,
 > > Stefan > 	 > Stefan:k > G > Check http://www.vaxemulator.com for more information but it requires8F > Windows NT 4/2000 and Linux operating system.  Also, I am developing8 > my vax emulator at early developement stage right now. >  > -- Tim Stark >  > --4 > Timothy Stark   <><     Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgL > --------------------------------------------------------------------------G > "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that J > whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.0 > Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   -- -@ The people who vote do not determine the outcome of an election,6 it is the people who count the votes  -- Joseph Stalin  ? The counting isn't done, until the Democrats have won -- Algoreg   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:51:02 -0330 " From: "Paul Brett" <pbrett@mun.ca>, Subject: Re: vms 5.5 on vax 4000-200 problem- Message-ID: <97g9il$s6t$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>g  & Trying to answer some of your question  A The system starts to boot....  say it cant find DCLTABLES.EXE ands2 MOUNTSHR.EXE and then gives me an access violation
 reason mask 4 / Improperly handled condition, image exit forced." and then does a register dump.....      L I have a stand alone backup on tape... can boot to that... will access tapes  G can also boot the hard disk to minimum setup.. but cant access the tape7K drive when I do it this way....but can navigate the system disk too see allmJ files that are still intact... but ftp doesn't work this was.....either...            E The system is equipped with a TF85 tape drive and the system disk....a  E The full system backup I have is unusable... (the tape is unreadable)nH I don't think I have the original operating system.. I have a system tap labelled V-STREAM V5-2-05 is this the operating system...h  H I know it is older than the one on the system but I am not worried about that... + I just need to get info that is on tapes...   L Oh they are image files for Remote sensing.. I have dealt with this transfer many times without problems...    ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageiF news:rdeininger-2502011356460001@user-2ivec1d.dialup.mindspring.com...L > In article <975s3m$677$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>, "Paul Brett" <pbrett@mun.ca> > wrote: > I > > Have the above mentioned system laying mothballed for 5 years.... was J > > recently asked to finally decommission it..... as you will see below I amG > > not a VMS administrator by any means but it is my job to power this2 beast upG > > and get the relevant info from the data tapes associated with it...u > > G > > Oh it was used to power an Image analysis system here several yearsw ago... > >eI > > Well I managed to get it powered up and break the system password....pI > > I started to restore the datatapes and ftp the files to my PC where IS burned > > them on CD...u > >nF > > I then made a big mistake... I deleted all the files in the sysmgr > > directory....g > >lL > > Now my system does nothing.... and from what I can  see I have no system > > backup.....a >eG > Can you be more specific?  Just what is this nothing?  Do you get any ! > messages?  How far does it get?e > L > Depending on how the system was configured, it might be able to limp along > without SYSMGR.0 >p >u > > What can I do....  >lK > What devices does the system have?  Is there a second disk?  A guess a CD 3 > drive is unlikely, but it would make life easier.a >eH > Worst case, you will have to re-install VMS.  An upgrade (instead of aD > full install) might work, and would leave some of your environment? > intact.  But upgrading might be more trouble than it's worth.2 > K > If you re-install, you should likely use a somewhat newer version of VMS.UL > 7.2 would work fine on that system, assuming it has enough memory and disk > space. >BK > What kind of tapes are you reading?  You might find a newer system with a>K > newer tape drive that's compatible.  An early alpha system with the rightfL > early DLT drive could read TK50 or TK70 tapes, for example.  9-track tapes > would be harder... >r; > > I just need the tape drive mounted and ftp working.....c >yG > Have you checked that your data tranfers without getting scrambled bynH > ftp?  There are VMS file formats that aren't simple to interpret after7 > being transfered -- particularly on a non-VMS system.t >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:52:07 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>3 Subject: Re: VMS and other platforms in the SAN boxe* Message-ID: <3A9BE947.A20D4049@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > n > In article <96rdf9$f9k$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes:J > > We've been busy building a SAN and now I want to introduce VMS to this > > environment. > > O > > We tested a node and it worked as advertised provided all the release notes-O > > got read and followed to the letter.  We tripped over the SCSI-3 must have.. > >CP > > Now we wish to include VMS with the other systems we have on the SAN, mostlyA > > Sun and NT servers and wondered if anyone here has done same.  > >a > O >         You might want to bring your vendor in and have a chat with them.  InHD >         Compaq's document entitlted "Heterogeneous Open SAN DesignI >         Reference Guide" (a 116 page guide, not sure if it is available  >         from here:), > < > http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/san/index.html > 9 >         You will see on pages 4-2, 4-3 and 4-4 rules on D >         Platform support and attachement rules.  Sun Solaris talksF >         SCSI-2 and will not play with VMS which talks SCSI-3 *only*. >   A This may be what Compaq have tested, you can however talk SCSI-3 h from a Sun box.h   Regardsf Andrew Harrisoni Enterprise IT Architectn   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Feb 2001 16:05:03 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: VMS apps wishlist, Message-ID: <97gj7f$jo3@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  X In article <3A9AFBDD.60948595@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: >David Mathog wrote:= >Unfortunately you missed the point: we don't need Q for thise >activity to be successful.   H Yes, we do, because the Q can nullify all of our work with one decision.J For instance, no more small Alphas.  Or no more X11 server for VMS.  GivenN their VMS sales strategy (such as it is) of only focusing on large machines inJ high margin niches it makes very little sense for them to be selling DS10sI and maybe not even DS20s, and the X11 server has less support on VMS than G on any other platform I can think of - including Windows!  There's verydG little to keep them from dropping the X11 server completely.   At which G point it would become impossible to run _ANYTHING_ visual on "on" a VMS E machine.  And there goes all of our hard work right down the drain.  o  J For the record, I've ported one heck of a lot of software to VMS over the D years.  I'm not adverse to sending the time porting per se, but I amH adverse to investing time and energy on a platform that the vendor seems2 intent on killing, at least in my market segment.   	 Regards, -   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu-> Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, CaltechJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *K ************************************************************************** c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:09:45 -0500a% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>g Subject: Re: VMS apps wishlist/ Message-ID: <t9nnrkqrmso926@news.supernews.com>o  6 "Christof Brass" <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message& news:3A9AFC46.5BC5FA52@infopuls.com... > John Vottero wrote:m > >tF > > Step 1 should be the infrastructure.  Compaq should throw money at	 TrollTechs5 > > to get a working implementation of Qt on OpenVMS.u > >  [snip]: > Good point! What about COM (microshits component model)?. > I read that Qt is open source, is this true?  B COM for OpenVMS is already available.  It's part of V7.2 (or 7.1).  J Qt is open source and free for non-commercial use on Unix based platforms.D I've played with an OpenVMS port of Qt but it didn't work very well.   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Feb 2001 20:29:56 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.344932.killspam.0142 (Wayne Sewell)  Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.s. Message-ID: <AxqUQw4iSK3T@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  Y In article <3A9A77AD.75109A63@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:2 > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  >  >> >>N >> Intellectual property. The technology cross-licensing agreement between DECI >> and u$oft under the August 1995 "Alliance for Enterprise Computing" isn >> far-reaching indeed.e > O > Given the little use that u$oft seem to have made of said IP, can we concludenE > that this was another clever tactic to cripple to opposition (VMS)?- >   I This assumes they are capable of *understanding* what they ripped off.  ISM strongly doubt that the billy dark forces comprehend .0000001 per cent of theeO digital clustering technology, which is the real reason their "wolfpack" shouldF/ instead be called "gang of crippled squirrels".4   -- aO ===============================================================================oM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxa: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O ===============================================================================iO Dean Wormer to Flounder: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."y   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:15:53 GMT0= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)i Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.:0 Message-ID: <009F840D.33AF6AF1@SendSpamHere.ORG>  X In article <3A9AF0DB.FF5432C1@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: >Howard S Shubs wrote: >> c@ >> In article <6Plm6.11815$CW1.9296284@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,9 >>  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:l >> t >> >Intellectual property. >> o$ >> Ah, a usage I've not seen before. >> t8 >> >The technology cross-licensing agreement between DECJ >> >and u$oft under the August 1995 "Alliance for Enterprise Computing" is >> >far-reaching indeed. >> .O >> I stopped cursing Palmer when I found out that he was apparently hired to doe3 >> what he did.  I started cursing the BoD instead.i >> --  >> Howard S ShubsrG >> "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"v >a< >Palmer should be tortured at least for ten year and then be >killed.A >A person who let himself or herself hire for doing that is a ...t> >sorry my English vocabulary doesn't offer bad enough word for >that type of person.g= >I don't disagree to let the BoD join Palmer's treatment (tenf# >years torture and then be killed). ! >Or is there a better punishment?w  $ Yes!  10 years of using M$ products!   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMh            bO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:06:54 GMTu4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: VMS wanted list.s> Message-ID: <O8Rm6.12368$CW1.10259677@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  J "Wayne Sewell" <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.344932.killspam.0142> wrote in message( news:AxqUQw4iSK3T@tachxxsoftxxconsult...9 > In article <3A9A77AD.75109A63@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellynt! <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:n > > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:s > >u > >> > >>L > >> Intellectual property. The technology cross-licensing agreement between DECgK > >> and u$oft under the August 1995 "Alliance for Enterprise Computing" isn > >> far-reaching indeed.  > >oH > > Given the little use that u$oft seem to have made of said IP, can we concludeG > > that this was another clever tactic to cripple to opposition (VMS)?a > >t > K > This assumes they are capable of *understanding* what they ripped off.  IeK > strongly doubt that the billy dark forces comprehend .0000001 per cent ofl the J > digital clustering technology, which is the real reason their "wolfpack" should1 > instead be called "gang of crippled squirrels".t >b  0 Thank the Deity of your choice for small favors!   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Feb 2001 15:49:37 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)O Subject: Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'b, Message-ID: <97giah$jo3@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  X In article <3A9AF28F.F9530561@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:? >Let the VMS engineering people to VMS engineering. The did andt. >do a great job. Let other poeple do the apps.  C They used to.  It was called third party software.  Digital/Compaq dG marketing of OpenVMS drove most of it out of existence - and good luck MJ finding what's left (ie, Wordperfect for VMS, etc.).  At this point nobodyJ but a few spokesmen for Compaq ever say that the OS has any future outsideK of the data center, and the retreat of all commercial software vendors fromyJ the platform is the natural consequence.  Only the few remaining users nowC have any interest in obtaining this sort of software and they don'trJ represent a large enough margin to attract commercial software.  Moreover,F no vendor in their right mind is going to invest in OpenVMS now, givenK Compaq's nonexistent support for the platform outside of the datacenter. (IeA cite, in particular, their insanely bad academic programs and thedG nondeliverance for N years of a modern browser for the platform.)  ThattG leaves ports of freeware as the only remaining source of software.  AndsK frankly speaking, if that's the software you are going to run, you might asi  well run it on Linux or netBSD.   F Don't get me wrong - I do like VMS.  But the actions of Digital/CompaqI management cannot be overcome by the customers.  We're only passengers on G this ship.  And much as may like our cabins when the crew keeps rammingr. icebergs it's time to take to the lifeboats.     David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduo? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech 0J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:00:09 GMTr= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)nO Subject: Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'i0 Message-ID: <009F843D.4BD996EB@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <97giah$jo3@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:l {...snip...}G >Don't get me wrong - I do like VMS.  But the actions of Digital/CompaqgJ >management cannot be overcome by the customers.  We're only passengers onH >this ship.  And much as may like our cabins when the crew keeps ramming/ >icebergs it's time to take to the lifeboats.  t  H The problem is that the available lifeboats are really not seaworthy andF and are only playthings for use in the comfort of one's personal bath.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-            uO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.X   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:14:28 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>O Subject: Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'o> Message-ID: <UfRm6.12370$CW1.10262408@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  J "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009F843D.4BD996EB@SendSpamHere.ORG...L > In article <97giah$jo3@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: > {...snip...}I > >Don't get me wrong - I do like VMS.  But the actions of Digital/Compaq L > >management cannot be overcome by the customers.  We're only passengers onJ > >this ship.  And much as may like our cabins when the crew keeps ramming/ > >icebergs it's time to take to the lifeboats.- >mJ > The problem is that the available lifeboats are really not seaworthy andH > and are only playthings for use in the comfort of one's personal bath. >F  J Um, you might be violating an NDA here: Windows98 RD (as in Rubber Duckie)) remains a closely-held secret in Redmond!    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:44:11 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)oO Subject: Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop' / Message-ID: <t9nprb5dk05j95@news.supernews.com>   @ system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote in& <009F843D.4BD996EB@SendSpamHere.ORG>:   - >In article <97giah$jo3@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,0B >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: {...snip...}H >>Don't get me wrong - I do like VMS.  But the actions of Digital/CompaqH >>management cannot be overcome by the customers.  We're only passengersD >>on this ship.  And much as may like our cabins when the crew keeps8 >>ramming icebergs it's time to take to the lifeboats.   >aI >The problem is that the available lifeboats are really not seaworthy andoG >and are only playthings for use in the comfort of one's personal bath.h >I >--t7 >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001    m >VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  >           D >city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named
 >after them. p  F I see your point, but since the lifeboats have designed-in flaws, the I correct approach is to grab a dozen lifeboats, put some of your stuff in nH each, cob them together with scotch tape and bailing wire, then see how - much of you and your stuff makes it to shore.h   ws   -- s1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>n   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **o   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Feb 2001 12:46:22 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)1O Subject: Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop' 3 Message-ID: <SpPPgxJQpXah@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  u In article <UfRm6.12370$CW1.10262408@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:l > L > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message, > news:009F843D.4BD996EB@SendSpamHere.ORG...M >> In article <97giah$jo3@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edue > (David Mathog) writes: >> {...snip...}rJ >> >Don't get me wrong - I do like VMS.  But the actions of Digital/CompaqM >> >management cannot be overcome by the customers.  We're only passengers onyK >> >this ship.  And much as may like our cabins when the crew keeps ramming.0 >> >icebergs it's time to take to the lifeboats. >>K >> The problem is that the available lifeboats are really not seaworthy andaI >> and are only playthings for use in the comfort of one's personal bath.i >> > L > Um, you might be violating an NDA here: Windows98 RD (as in Rubber Duckie)+ > remains a closely-held secret in Redmond!    Non-disclosure agreement ?  + Betwee Microsoft and Brian Schenkenberger ?   L Certainly this is worth the DECUServe "funniest statement read today" award.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:52:33 GMTi= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)sO Subject: Re: VMS wanted list. Was: So what Are we meant to use on the 'desktop'i0 Message-ID: <009F8444.9DEA4F20@SendSpamHere.ORG>  u In article <UfRm6.12370$CW1.10262408@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:g > K >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in messageg+ >news:009F843D.4BD996EB@SendSpamHere.ORG...eM >> In article <97giah$jo3@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edul >(David Mathog) writes:5 >> {...snip...}fJ >> >Don't get me wrong - I do like VMS.  But the actions of Digital/CompaqM >> >management cannot be overcome by the customers.  We're only passengers onrK >> >this ship.  And much as may like our cabins when the crew keeps ramming 0 >> >icebergs it's time to take to the lifeboats. >>K >> The problem is that the available lifeboats are really not seaworthy andgI >> and are only playthings for use in the comfort of one's personal bath.0 >> >2K >Um, you might be violating an NDA here: Windows98 RD (as in Rubber Duckie)S* >remains a closely-held secret in Redmond!  J I have no dealings with the Redmond Academy of Teenage Software Neophytes H Emitting Substandard Technology or R.A.T.S.N.E.S.T and as such I have no' signatures on any R.A.T.S.N.E.S.T NDAs.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            aO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:10:31 -0500e% From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com>t Subject: Re: VX1 and PC164LX. Message-ID: <t9njkidlj1k2d@corp.supernews.com>   eric  ? I have the user guide in pdf fomrat and tried to send it to youo  ' it was rejected by your mail server fyi    davidq   -- Island Computers US Corporatione 2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 150  Savannah GA 31404g Tel: 912 447 6622t Fax: 912 201 0096  sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andsJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whomE they are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intendede
 recipient,G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete thise message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingG of this message is prohibited.    @ "Eric Dittman" <dittman@narnia.int.dittman.net> wrote in message: news:DZym6.44421$3%5.332928@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com...7 > Has anyone tried using a VX1 board (with the requiredi6 > patches) on a PC164LX?  I've tried and I can get the7 > display up, but the system is so incredibly slow thats7 > logging in on a serial line takes about five minutes,r2 > followed by about five minutes to do a SHOW SYS,: > followed by a STOP/ID= on the DECwindows SERVER process,- > at which time the system returns to normal.  >l; > If anyone has any ideas, let me know.  This is on V7.2-1.s > -- > Eric Dittman > dittman@dittman.net  >n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:13:09 GMTa, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>  Subject: [info] PCSI restriction& Message-ID: <3A9B7DD4.21539C69@gmx.ch>  H (I added the keyword because I saw this in f.c.s.m (fr.comp.sys.mac, oneF of the fastest growing forum ever) and I think it could be helpful for5 those who use MacSoup or other powerful newsreaders).o  H We discussed already here on the fact that, in the PCSI philosophy, onlyD one target disk can be specified. We also saw that all configuration8 tasks may be accomplished within the post install phase.  G I discovered that, if I do my files move during the post-install phase,tG ie via a post_install.com procedure, these files will *not* be recorded > in the pcsi database, so the uninstallation process will fail.  	 Comments?    D.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.116 ************************