/ INFO-VAX	Thu, 04 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 7       Contents:6 ## Keyboards and Measurement of System Performance  ##G Re: ## Keyboards and Measurement of System Performance  ## - Correction - Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays - Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays - Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays - Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays - Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays - Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays - Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays < Re: Applications using files by file ID instead of directory AQUARIUM OWNERS READ THIS!!!4 Auto-booting & monitor for DEC 3000-300L w/ PMAGB-BA8 Re: Auto-booting & monitor for DEC 3000-300L w/ PMAGB-BA Re: CHARON x Compaq Notebook Re: CHARON x Compaq Notebook+ RE: DECnet Error After Adding DE500 to 2100 6 Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NAS6 Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NAS+ eBay *desperately* needs TWO backup systems  Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again 4 Re: Farenheit temperatures [was Re: Happy New Years]( Re: File system performance and security Re: Giving up on VMS Re: Giving up on VMS Re: Happy New Years < Re: Keyboards [Was Re: using a multihead XP1000 workstation]< Re: Keyboards [Was Re: using a multihead XP1000 workstation]) Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor  Source dor TSM021? Re: Source dor TSM021? Re: Source dor TSM021? Re: Source dor TSM021?+ Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm. + Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm. 
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 Re: VMSTAR& Re: voor de belgische Alpha gebruikers  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:45:39 +0100 % From: Vikram Opal <VOpal@t-online.de> ? Subject: ## Keyboards and Measurement of System Performance  ## + Message-ID: <3A538F73.16749246@t-online.de>    Hallo !   K First of all a very happy new year to all of u subcribers, browsers and not  forgetting gurus !    Q I was introduced to this group only some time back and find reading thru the msgs F very informative and interesting. So... now a little on my problem....   1. Keyboard and layouts:  T Until now, I've been working on OpenVMS either using a VT or a PC Terminal EmulationO sw.  I now use a HP Unix workstation running CDE and telnet to the OpenVMS box. E This HP Workstation has a "normal" HP english keyboard ( PC styled ). T I miss using my "VT" keyboard ... and the various special keys that come with it....V for eg: the F1, do, pf1, select keys etc.  I've now learned that with the combination P of ctrl-b on this keyboard is almost the equivalent of hitting the do key ..... U SO, is there a way for me to find out as to what the new key combinations should be ?   D I shall appreciate a reply to my email address vikram_opal@yahoo.com   Many thanx in advance, Vikram   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:49:48 +0100 % From: Vikram Opal <VOpal@t-online.de> P Subject: Re: ## Keyboards and Measurement of System Performance  ## - Correction+ Message-ID: <3A53906C.7A28C213@t-online.de>   L Pls disregard the "Measurement of System Performance" bit in my msg header !   thanx  Vikram   Vikram Opal wrote: > 	 > Hallo !  > M > First of all a very happy new year to all of u subcribers, browsers and not  > forgetting gurus ! > S > I was introduced to this group only some time back and find reading thru the msgs H > very informative and interesting. So... now a little on my problem.... >  > 1. Keyboard and layouts:V > Until now, I've been working on OpenVMS either using a VT or a PC Terminal EmulationQ > sw.  I now use a HP Unix workstation running CDE and telnet to the OpenVMS box. G > This HP Workstation has a "normal" HP english keyboard ( PC styled ). V > I miss using my "VT" keyboard ... and the various special keys that come with it....W > for eg: the F1, do, pf1, select keys etc.  I've now learned that with the combination Q > of ctrl-b on this keyboard is almost the equivalent of hitting the do key ..... W > SO, is there a way for me to find out as to what the new key combinations should be ?  > F > I shall appreciate a reply to my email address vikram_opal@yahoo.com >  > Many thanx in advance, > Vikram   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2001 20:28:19 GMT 2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)6 Subject: Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays, Message-ID: <930213$9ov@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  t In article <uIq46.10667$BI2.2275080@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >  > L >Of course, at $15 per share, it wouldn't be too difficult to pick up ten or >a hundred shares of CPQ >   I Speaking of which, a few months ago Compaq announced that it was going to J invest $1B to buy back some of its own stock.  At that time it was tradingE at about $25/share.  Anybody know if they were unlucky enough to have K executed those purchases at that time?  If they did that instant $400M loss G is going to put a big ding in the bottom line.  If they didn't, do they 9 still think it's a good idea to sink $1B into the stock?    K Any speculation on the real reason they wanted to buy back that stock?  Did G they really think it was undervalued and so a good investment?  Or were I they trying to avoid some sort of (hostile) takeover? Or was it that they > just couldn't think of any productive way to spend the money?    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 20:54:33 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>6 Subject: Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays< Message-ID: <dkM46.38757$1t.1977614@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  ? "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message & news:930213$9ov@gap.cco.caltech.edu...I > In article <uIq46.10667$BI2.2275080@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. , Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > >  > > K > >Of course, at $15 per share, it wouldn't be too difficult to pick up ten  or > >a hundred shares of CPQ > >  > K > Speaking of which, a few months ago Compaq announced that it was going to L > invest $1B to buy back some of its own stock.  At that time it was tradingG > at about $25/share.  Anybody know if they were unlucky enough to have H > executed those purchases at that time?  If they did that instant $400M lossI > is going to put a big ding in the bottom line.  If they didn't, do they : > still think it's a good idea to sink $1B into the stock?  J Dunno if they did the buyback, but now looks like an even better time than then.    > H > Any speculation on the real reason they wanted to buy back that stock? Did I > they really think it was undervalued and so a good investment?  Or were K > they trying to avoid some sort of (hostile) takeover? Or was it that they ? > just couldn't think of any productive way to spend the money?   F I think they felt it would a cost-effective way to prevent dilution of value.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 00:53:42 GMT 2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)6 Subject: Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays, Message-ID: <930him$e33@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  s In article <dkM46.38757$1t.1977614@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  > K >Dunno if they did the buyback, but now looks like an even better time than  >then. >   F Not so sure about that.  Digital's stock was perpetually "undervalued"C starting in the early 90's and that never changed until they died.  K Compaq's stock has been underperforming in a very similar manner ever since D the takeover.  I expect to see them go even lower than the $15 rangeF they're now trading in, although probably not so low as the $5/share IJ "predicted" for 11/2000 in my Nov 1999 "Compaq bloodied by Mass Defection" spoof.       David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 02:34:47 +0100 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)6 Subject: Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays* Message-ID: <3a53d337$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  a In article <930him$e33@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: t >In article <dkM46.38757$1t.1977614@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:L >>Dunno if they did the buyback, but now looks like an even better time than >>then.  > G >Not so sure about that.  Digital's stock was perpetually "undervalued" D >starting in the early 90's and that never changed until they died. L >Compaq's stock has been underperforming in a very similar manner ever sinceE >the takeover.  I expect to see them go even lower than the $15 range G >they're now trading in, although probably not so low as the $5/share I K >"predicted" for 11/2000 in my Nov 1999 "Compaq bloodied by Mass Defection"  >spoof.   = Don't you hate to be proofed right when you tell sad things ?   C See my signature, seems I'm similar, but I love to see, when things D become better than I predicted (seldom, but it did happen). And thatE is why got an image of an "trouble thinker". No, it's Murphy's Law...   H But no, they don't learn. They know you have a good prediction statisticF but the don't want to use it as valuable input, instead they choose to, keep things bad to not prove you wrong. Sigh   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 01:48:01 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>6 Subject: Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays< Message-ID: <lDQ46.32415$1M.7229772@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  ? "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message & news:930him$e33@gap.cco.caltech.edu...H > In article <dkM46.38757$1t.1977614@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C., Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > > H > >Dunno if they did the buyback, but now looks like an even better time than > >then. > >  > H > Not so sure about that.  Digital's stock was perpetually "undervalued"D > starting in the early 90's and that never changed until they died.G > Compaq's stock has been underperforming in a very similar manner ever  since F > the takeover.  I expect to see them go even lower than the $15 rangeH > they're now trading in, although probably not so low as the $5/share IL > "predicted" for 11/2000 in my Nov 1999 "Compaq bloodied by Mass Defection" > spoof.  K Heck, if the stock goes to $5, the Constant Readers of comp.os.vms ought to % be able to gain controlling interest!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:50:31 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com 6 Subject: Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy HolidaysD Message-ID: <OF1D0C167A.FCB7F07A-ON882569CA.0009FE7B@foundation.com>  = To quote Ambrose Bierce's "Devil's Dictionary" (from memory):   G      Cynic:    A blackguard who sees things as they are, instead of how  they're supposed to be.    Shane           > eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) on 01/03/2001 05:34:47 PM  " Please respond to eplan@kapsch.net   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   7 Subject:  Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays     J In article <930him$e33@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:G >In article <dkM46.38757$1t.1977614@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. , Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:G >>Dunno if they did the buyback, but now looks like an even better time  than >>then.  > G >Not so sure about that.  Digital's stock was perpetually "undervalued" C >starting in the early 90's and that never changed until they died. F >Compaq's stock has been underperforming in a very similar manner ever since E >the takeover.  I expect to see them go even lower than the $15 range G >they're now trading in, although probably not so low as the $5/share I K >"predicted" for 11/2000 in my Nov 1999 "Compaq bloodied by Mass Defection"  >spoof.   = Don't you hate to be proofed right when you tell sad things ?   C See my signature, seems I'm similar, but I love to see, when things D become better than I predicted (seldom, but it did happen). And thatE is why got an image of an "trouble thinker". No, it's Murphy's Law...   H But no, they don't learn. They know you have a good prediction statisticF but the don't want to use it as valuable input, instead they choose to, keep things bad to not prove you wrong. Sigh   --< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2001 21:35:53 -0500 / From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) 6 Subject: Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays* Message-ID: <930ni9$h04$1@lisa.gemair.com>  < In article <lDQ46.32415$1M.7229772@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,3 Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  > @ >"David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message' >news:930him$e33@gap.cco.caltech.edu... I >> In article <dkM46.38757$1t.1977614@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. - >Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  >> >I >> >Dunno if they did the buyback, but now looks like an even better time  >than 	 >> >then.  >> > >>I >> Not so sure about that.  Digital's stock was perpetually "undervalued" E >> starting in the early 90's and that never changed until they died. H >> Compaq's stock has been underperforming in a very similar manner ever >sinceG >> the takeover.  I expect to see them go even lower than the $15 range I >> they're now trading in, although probably not so low as the $5/share I M >> "predicted" for 11/2000 in my Nov 1999 "Compaq bloodied by Mass Defection" 	 >> spoof.  > L >Heck, if the stock goes to $5, the Constant Readers of comp.os.vms ought to& >be able to gain controlling interest! >  >   H Hmmm... At $17, the market cap for CPQ is around $30B, at $5, that wouldF put it at around $8B.  Controlling interest?  Around $4B... Gosh, I'm / hanging out with the wrong comp.os.vms Readers!    -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 20:01:21 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> E Subject: Re: Applications using files by file ID instead of directory - Message-ID: <3A53D971.1BAEFEA8@earthlink.net>    "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: > ( > On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, John Santos wrote:G > > It might be cleaner (though lots more work) to design your own file F > > structure, based on the ODS-2 (or -5) file header and your indexedJ > > file, but using a completely different directory tracking method (I.e.5 > > your index file) and writing an ACP to handle it.  > E > Somewhat easier would be to create a single container file that's a H > completely normal VMS file, and manage the entries inside it yourself.  5 FWIW... You just described a database container file.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. 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Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:34:49 +0100: From: "Michael Holmes" <NOSPAM.raider@NOSPAM.mindless.com>= Subject: Auto-booting & monitor for DEC 3000-300L w/ PMAGB-BAB, Message-ID: <9305vh02hnk@enews4.newsguy.com>  C I recently purchased a DEC 3000-300L on Ebay for a hobbist machine.8J I'm still new to VMS hardware and system administration (previously I only( had user access on a university system).  I I do not have a DEC monitor, so I'm using a serial cable connected to theX7 comm port & my PC.  So far its working fine "headless".o  J What I would like is for the system to automatically boot when powered up.L I set the "Auto_Action" to BOOT on the console, but when I flip on the powerH switch it just comes up to the console prompt >>> and sits there until I type in boot and enter.   L What I'm I missing... I don't have any documention so I've search the compagL site and found a Dec 3000-600/700/800 model setup documentionation (PDF) but	 thats it.E  I Second, I would like to get a monitor to use with DECWindows.  I was toldeI that the card was 1280 x 1024 @ 66Hz, but I'm not sure that's correct.  IgH read somewhere that it might be 1280 x 1024 @72Hz.  Does anyone know theG spec's for a Turbo Channel PMAGB-BA (from the console config) card?  IsNI there a way to set the resolution to a different setting (ie 66Hz - so myqJ monitor will display).   Does the bulit-in graphic card display at a lower- refresh rate (has one below the serial ports.+  @ Do you know what monitors are compatable (stock) with this card.    " Thanks for all you help in advance   Mike   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2001 15:34:15 PSTCT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)A Subject: Re: Auto-booting & monitor for DEC 3000-300L w/ PMAGB-BAF3 Message-ID: <mgQ5Qes1W3Ay@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>s  - In article <9305vh02hnk@enews4.newsguy.com>, u@     "Michael Holmes" <NOSPAM.raider@NOSPAM.mindless.com> writes: [...]WL > What I would like is for the system to automatically boot when powered up.N > I set the "Auto_Action" to BOOT on the console, but when I flip on the powerJ > switch it just comes up to the console prompt >>> and sits there until I > type in boot and enter.H [...]T  H         What does >>> SHOW tell  you  about  AUTO_ACTION after you powerH     cycle  the  beast?  It _should_ tell you AUTO_ACTION=BOOT.  If  not,E     perhaps there's a problem with the NVRAM or battery or something?f  H         Secondly, do you have BOOTDEF_DEV and BOOT_OSFLAGS set correctlyH     for your system?  I would asusme yes since >>>BOOT without any otherH     parameters will use those two console variables, but if set wrong...  H         Does the system  succeed  with  its  power-on  self-tests beforeE     hitting the console prompt?  If not, it may "choose" not to boot.B           -Ken -- RM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Eduk:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:18:12 +0000+- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>q% Subject: Re: CHARON x Compaq Notebook6) Message-ID: <3A5350C4.C4084F44@bbc.co.uk>m  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  ? > People from SRI says that CHARON can be used in Notebooks forL > demonstrationYH > but nowadays Compaq is developing serial-less Notebooks. Whos wrong ? >Y] > http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1027-7-3990422.html?tag=st.co.1026.bhed.1027-7-3990422U >k > Fabio CardosoN >k > Happy XXIk   so, get a USB-to serial widget.E   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukA  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofI MedAS or the BBC.j   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:56:06 -0500T* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>% Subject: Re: CHARON x Compaq Notebookr+ Message-ID: <3A53CA25.BDEE5C9E@rtfmcsi.com>I   Tim Llewellyn wrote:  , > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >gA > > People from SRI says that CHARON can be used in Notebooks forS > > demonstrationsJ > > but nowadays Compaq is developing serial-less Notebooks. Whos wrong ? > >Q_ > > http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1027-7-3990422.html?tag=st.co.1026.bhed.1027-7-3990422z > >5 > > Fabio CardosoX > >A
 > > Happy XXIK >J! > so, get a USB-to serial widget.L >8  ^ Actually, a USB to Serial widget might not work.  I've encountered some Windows-based software_ that would not work properly with a USB-to-Serial device because the software was coded to workaY directly with the UART chip that traditional PC hardware serial ports are based on.  This a software was a serial data capturing application that could perform RS232 data capture and signalga analysis and it was written this way on purpose, but none the less is made my 4 port USB to RS232o% adapter useless for that application.g     -- Chuck Choppv  8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager7                                   8007740718@skytel.comD   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:36:51 -0600c/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>F4 Subject: RE: DECnet Error After Adding DE500 to 2100R Message-ID: <6FACDDDFBD7BD411B38100D0B7B0CDCC40B63B@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  L As it turns out we had two problems.  The card we had was bad and in fact weI were using EWB-0 instead of EWA-1 as Goodman_J pointed out. Thanks to allsL who replied.  The new card is working fine now as EWA-1 for DECnet,  and IP.  $ Ed Stuart                           ( Manager, Systems and Desktop Services	   Information Technology ServicesI City of Austin, Austin Energy  Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com  + "Glittering prizes and endless compromises D. shatter the illusion of integrity" - Neil Pert  B *Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here*     -----Original Message-----: From: goodman_j@my-deja.com [mailto:goodman_j@my-deja.com]' Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 1:36 PMz To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComG4 Subject: Re: DECnet Error After Adding DE500 to 2100    E DECnet line and circuit names are not the same as the VMS device namenF displayed from the console, SHOW DEVICE or LANCP.  In this case deviceF EWB0: maps to line/circuit EWA-1.  In general after adding an ethernet> device run @SYS$MANAGER:NETCONFIG.COM, at least to examine theE recommended NCP commands.  You can then manually execute the ones youV require.  
 In articleG <6FACDDDFBD7BD411B38100D0B7B0CDCC40B5F7@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>,92   "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote:3 > We're running VMS V6.2 on an AlphaServer 2100. WeP/ > just added a DE500 to the system along with ai1 > number of ECOs. The system reports that the newI1 > device EWB-0 is active via LANCP, but if we tryz, > and add the device to DECnet (phase IV) we- > receive the following when we try and startQ	 > DECnet.k >...0 > %NCP-W-INVIDE, Invalid identification format , > Line > Line = EWB-0) > %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device nameP0 > %NCP-W-INVIDE, Invalid identification format ,	 > Circuit4 > Circuit = EWB-0/) > %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device nameS --G "Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic."V
 A.C.Clarke     Sent via Deja.comZ http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 20:10:38 -0600c7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>+? Subject: Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NASS- Message-ID: <3A53DB9E.2003F0AD@earthlink.net>b  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > 
 > An idea: > C > This is an old product and  I believe it should be refurbished too  > implement some  NAS features ! > > > Nowadays nobody is not interested to implement a file systemC > over another, in a server.  But if this product can be used underiB >  a Network Appliance based in OpenVMS .... sounds interesting... > ? > And ABS should be the default backup solution for  OVMS ! ! !P  = A former site of mine has just upped their disk farm to 1TB+.7  H How do you propose to backup *THAT* much data - over the network - everyC night (healthcare industry - *MUST* do full backups *EVERY* night)?O  C Describe disaster the recovery process in detail (be specific, citeV
 examples).  A OVMS systems should be considered BACKUP *SERVERS* - they are notF/ clients, with few exceptions, in my experience.t    -- 3 David J. Dachterar dba DJE SystemsW http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.R   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 03:12:25 +0100U* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)? Subject: Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NASp* Message-ID: <3a53dc09$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  g In article <3A53DB9E.2003F0AD@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:Y+ >fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:K >> C >> An idea:M >> ND >> This is an old product and  I believe it should be refurbished to! >> implement some  NAS features !G >> I? >> Nowadays nobody is not interested to implement a file systemQD >> over another, in a server.  But if this product can be used underC >>  a Network Appliance based in OpenVMS .... sounds interesting...5 >> v@ >> And ABS should be the default backup solution for  OVMS ! ! ! >A> >A former site of mine has just upped their disk farm to 1TB+. >1I >How do you propose to backup *THAT* much data - over the network - everytD >night (healthcare industry - *MUST* do full backups *EVERY* night)? >wD >Describe disaster the recovery process in detail (be specific, cite >examples).G >qB >OVMS systems should be considered BACKUP *SERVERS* - they are not0 >clients, with few exceptions, in my experience.   I second that, BUT:/  > It looks like, that SAN change the way things will be handled.C I think a (hopefully soon fully working) SAN will require a storageeA manager (a person or team) who is responsible to offer storage toQB every server regardless what this server is (OVMS, WNT, U**X, ...)A and this storage manager will then become the backup manager too.o, And backup will then be done os-independant.  @ But as long as this scenario is not working (and a lot of peopleC think, it never will - at least not the os-independant backup), VMS+@ should keep the (backup) server. VMS Backup is part of the opsysD (binary _and_ license) and is proofed to be good for two decades now@ (and the old savesets are still readable by current backup util)  : My goodness, keep the (server) backups away from the LAN !   just my 0.02   -- R< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888O< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 00:56:41 -0500e* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)4 Subject: eBay *desperately* needs TWO backup systems+ Message-ID: <Th7qp$FIN6Fi@eisner.decus.org>J  9 	You know Andrew, I mentioned this before and think it isiG 	worth mentioning again... eBay *desperately* needs a backup system forh 	the backup system.3  . http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010103/n0340604_4.html  J ``When we first realized we had a serious issue, our tech team immediatelyO began preparing to switch over to the backup system, and once that was underway2G we realized that the very same problem affecting the primary system waskC affecting the backup system,'' said eBay spokesman Kevin Pursglove.V   	Remember this?c  * From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)? Subject: eBay Tragic Comedy deepens and re-enters Twilight Zonew Date: 08 Dec 1999 00:00:00 GMT Newsgroups: comp.os.vms3   Dear Meg and Pierre,  F         As a valued customer, time and again I can't access your site.  I         Since you are so in love with Sun hardware and as of this morningsI         your market capitalization is at $21 billion dollars U.S. , mighthE         I be so bold to suggest you spend $20 million more so you canEI         have a backup system for your backup system.   Mind you , this iszO         rather unorthodox and might place in you the realm of "a laughing-stockUI         of the industry" but I suppose it isn't much of a stretch of the iF         imagination that you have far surpassed that status given how ,         often your UE10000 servers are down.  *                                 Take care,  )                                 Rob Youngw     CC:  suggest@ebay.comL  P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------    User: aw@ebay.com  Date: 12/08/99g  Time: 03:48:25 PSTw  .                          *** SYSTEM STATUS ***  K We were performing emergency repairs on our backup system to correct issuesyD from yesterday's outage. During this time, the primary system becameJ unavailable. We were able to restore the backup system and to successfullyO transition service to it. The site downtime was from 01:31 PST to 03:17 PST. WeoK will continue to work to address the issues causing the outage, and we willqD continue to keep a close eye on things. Thank you for your patience.  !                          Regards,                           eBayQ    User: aw@ebay.com  Date: 12/08/99T  Time: 02:38:47 PSTx2                          ***** SYSTEM STATUS *****  M We are continuing to work to recover as quickly as possible. We will keep you3= informed of the status as more information becomes available.z  !                          Regards,E                          eBayU    User: aw@ebay.com  Date: 12/08/99k  Time: 01:40:17 PSTe8                          ***** SYSTEM AVAILABILITY *****  J The eBay system is currently unavailable. We will keep you informed of the- status as more information becomes available.h  !                          Regards,C                          eBayQ     ---T  > 	At $15 million per day, a backup server for the backup server; 	is chump change for one day down.  Sheesh!  Doesn't anyoneK> 	read those Gartner reports that tell us that UE10000s are NOT) 	a high availability solution!?!!  Man...B   				Rob    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:40:31 +0100, From: "Anders" <ccc28376a@post.cybercity.dk>( Subject: Ebay dead as a post - yet again1 Message-ID: <NDP46.479$g37.20016@news.get2net.dk>S  H Well it has been dead for some time now, I wonder who will get the blame
 this time.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2001 20:23:49 -0500T9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)G, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again+ Message-ID: <cBN+ZTLLtr4a@eisner.decus.org>Q  ` In article <NDP46.479$g37.20016@news.get2net.dk>, "Anders" <ccc28376a@post.cybercity.dk> writes:J > Well it has been dead for some time now, I wonder who will get the blame > this time.  8 When I tried it earlier, parts worked and parts did not. Then nothing worked.  > Later on, they came back for a few minutes (according to their" notices) but then went away again.  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:56:19 -0800-# From: Mark Tarka <markZERO@mcn.net>,, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again# Message-ID: <3A53E653.692C@mcn.net>o   Larry Kilgallen wrote:	 [snip...]oP > ==============================================================================P > Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersP > ==============================================================================  : Hey!  Wait a minute!  Don't I get credit for inventing the6 artificial anus?  Shit for brains has to go somewhere!    ;   Mark  (I should be leaving now, eventually...bye, bye :-)t   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2001 21:54:13 -0500i9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)w, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again+ Message-ID: <wdr7Be+9xW5k@eisner.decus.org>t   7 hours now.  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 04:30:58 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again< Message-ID: <60T46.32451$1M.7306160@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:wdr7Be+9xW5k@eisner.decus.org...r > 7 hours now. >r >eL ============================================================================ ==G > Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems ->  Clusters >-L ============================================================================ ==  J Yep. Kinda reminds me of the old Saturday Night Live "Weekend Update" skit which always included...  ( "and Generalissamo Franco is still dead"  8 AP picked up on this several hours ago. According to AP,  K "A company spokesman said the parallel systems that operates eBay's auction.F service both went down. The cause of the problem was unknown, but eBayJ spokesman Kevin Pursglove denied the service had been hacked or interfered with from an outside intruder."    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 00:44:14 -0500l* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young), Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again+ Message-ID: <zHrPtbsQJ0LO@eisner.decus.org>s  s In article <60T46.32451$1M.7306160@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:i > H > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message' > news:wdr7Be+9xW5k@eisner.decus.org...y >> 7 hours now.w >> >>N > ============================================================================ > ==H >> Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems ->
 > Clusters >>N > ============================================================================ > == > L > Yep. Kinda reminds me of the old Saturday Night Live "Weekend Update" skit > which always included... > * > "and Generalissamo Franco is still dead" > : > AP picked up on this several hours ago. According to AP, > M > "A company spokesman said the parallel systems that operates eBay's auctionCH > service both went down. The cause of the problem was unknown, but eBayL > spokesman Kevin Pursglove denied the service had been hacked or interfered! > with from an outside intruder."N >  >   / 	Perhaps they forgot to apply a Jumbo Patch!?!!i  9 	But seriously... seems that being down costs them money:a    I http://yahoo.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-4362461.html?pt.yfin.cat_fin.txt.neC    M In September, eBay estimated that its 18.9 million members make approximatelye. $15.5 million worth of transactions each day.   N In 1999, eBay experienced a slew of multi-hour outages as its auction listingsN skyrocketed. But a backup system that was put in place in late 1999 has served$ to shorten most outages since then.     B 	You know, reporters are interesting creatures aren't they?  NastyC 	of them to bring up the "money" angle this time.  Wonder if ScottytB 	and Zurg have their battle caps on?  Betcha Johnny Shoe has a bad= 	case of indigestion.  Of course, it may have to do with thath< 	nasty old Oracle again.  One wonders.. think the hot backupB 	server is also effected?  Maybe both DBs got scribbled on because, 	someone forgot a big old Jumbo Patch again?  = 	Oh do come out and play Andrew, been a couple weeks since we ! 	have mentioned down Sun Servers.o   				Roba  s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:00:17 +0100  From: "Mike" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.com>= Subject: Re: Farenheit temperatures [was Re: Happy New Years]a, Message-ID: <9307g402jrh@enews4.newsguy.com>  8 "Stanley F. Quayle" <SQUAYLE@stanq.com> wrote in messageE news:Pine.VMS.3.91-2.1010103131711.23663B-100000@killer.azbell.com...wJ > > >Farenheit took the lowest (weather) reading one year and called it 0,D > > >and the highest 100 (a fairly logical approach to measuring theF > > >weather).  I think he was in Munich at the time.  Turns out to be fairly2 > > >representative of most of the temperate zone. >gJ > 100 was his body temperature, and 0 was the coldest temperature he could) > generate (an ice/acetone/salt mixture).o  E     I don't know I've been in Munich, and I think his story is pretty  accurate.   :)K     It gets pretty cold in those Bavarian alps;  thankful they hold Octobern Fest in September :)       Mike   >& > --Stan >0 > ----------I > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-167175 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA7A > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com         http://www.stanq.coma >0 >1   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:58:59 -0600R7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>61 Subject: Re: File system performance and security.- Message-ID: <3A53D8E3.421913B0@earthlink.net>p   JF Mezei wrote:w >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:L > > I doubt you'd gain much (if anything). Are you *REALLY* that pressed for > > machine cycles?i > N > One of the main complaints about VMS is its snow file system. Just trying toJ > find out where the bottleneck is and if there are any ways to reduce it.  ? This is generally attributed to the lack of UN*X-style caching.   F What specific problem are you experiencing? You've been proposing some seriously radical measures...p   -- e David J. Dachteral dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/J  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.0   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2001 20:48:23 GMT # From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu, Subject: Re: Giving up on VMSm+ Message-ID: <93036n$9au$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>e  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:D >Paul Repacholi wrote:  . >> BTW, requiring a UPS is admitting you lose.  F >While I understand your argument,  I am not sure it is a valid one inM >industry. A corporation doesn't care how you maintain its data integrity, itbJ >only cares that you do. Whether you do it through a UPS or through a lessH >efficient but safer file system, in the end, your data is just as safe.  O >UPS prevents failre, whereas the strong file systems minimises the impact of adH >failure. Note that even with a strong file system, you still want a UPSJ >anyways, so does the stronger file system really give you much additional >value ?   One more level of protection.N  8 Power outages are not the only source of system crashes.   Robert Morphis   ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed,  3 Jan 01 14:13:14 GMTw From: heimann@ecs.umass.edu- Subject: Re: Giving up on VMS , Message-ID: <930f7q$fvt$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  + In Article <3A523404.CC50AB28@videotron.ca>R/ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  >Paul Repacholi wrote:. >> BTW, requiring a UPS is admitting you lose. >pF >While I understand your argument,  I am not sure it is a valid one inM >industry. A corporation doesn't care how you maintain its data integrity, it J >only cares that you do. Whether you do it through a UPS or through a lessH >efficient but safer file system, in the end, your data is just as safe. >nO >UPS prevents failre, whereas the strong file systems minimises the impact of alH >failure. Note that even with a strong file system, you still want a UPSJ >anyways, so does the stronger file system really give you much additional >value ?  G Well, even good UPS systems fail.  So the stronger file system will getYH your system back up and running a greater percentage of the time.  ThereG is a UPS box in back here right now that failed when a capacitor in its*F control circuitry burned.  The Unix system attached came back up afterF this, but one user filesystem had to be restored from backups.  It wasG too damaged to recover on disk.  Short of outright failure of a disk, Iy* have never had to do that on a VMS system.   Joe Heimann    heimann@ecs.umass.edut   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 02:04:06 GMTe/ From: Hans.Bachner@altavista.net (Hans Bachner)n Subject: Re: Happy New Years( Message-ID: <930kl8.8u.1@hans.myfqdn.de>  ! Paul Sture (paul@sture.ch) wrote:   = >In article <92si80.5l.1@hans.myfqdn.de>, Hans Bachner wrote:A >> E <snip> j@ >> 70 degrees Fahrenheit ~ 21 degrees Celsius (do you call them  >> 'centigrades'?) >> kI >Not 'centrigrades' but 'degrees Centigrade'. Celsius replaced CentigradehC >in weather reports etc in the UK some years ago (15? 20? - I can'tr >remember).  <snip>  J Thanks for the correction. I'll try to remember it next time I need it ;-)   Regards, Hans.>   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2001 22:07:23 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)E Subject: Re: Keyboards [Was Re: using a multihead XP1000 workstation]p6 Message-ID: <9307qr$h09$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  { In article <Pine.VMS.3.91-2.1010103132836.23663D-100000@killer.azbell.com>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <SQUAYLE@stanq.com> writes: # :On 3 Jan 2001, Hoff Hoffman wrote:b :uH :>       Set DECW$DEFAULT_KEYBOARD_MAP to your keyboard -- this is often :>       one of the following: :> g/ :>         US_LK401AA (LK401, LK461, LK46W), or 2 :>                 Traditional OpenVMS keyboard..., :>         US_LK443AA_PC or _LK (PC keyboardI :>                 PC keyboard, using the PC or the LK key definitions...o :> a4 :>       See DECW$KEYMAP: for the available keymaps. : H :Does that mean I can attach a standard PC keyboard but have it operate I :like a traditional OpenVMS keyboard (NumLock -> PF1, etc.)?  That would eH :be handy; my KVM switch has VMS, Linux, and Win systems attached to it.  I   If you can find me a "standard PC keyboard", well, I'll let you know...p  G   Personally, I try to avoid using a PC layout keyboard -- whichever ofoJ   the various different "standard" keyboard layouts or terminal emulators K   or such is in use -- for OpenVMS access.  (The choice of keyboard is, of t;   course, is a highly personal and widely variable choice.)r  B   PS/2 keyboards for PCs do mostly work on recent AlphaServer and G   AlphaStation systems, so long as the keyboard itself has support for !L   scanset 3 -- X Windows tends to expect that each key on the keyboard send F   up-key and down-key events, this is not the default mode on most PC I   keyboards, and may or may not be available on any particular "standard"    keyboard.   I   Please see the OpenVMS FAQ for some related details; see section SUPP4.-  L   Please see other discussions in the newsgroups for successes and problems J   with KVMs.  You may find that swapping keyboards via KVM will run afoul G   of the scanset expectations of the platforms -- when OpenVMS sees the L   keyboard power-cycle, it does try to reset the mode.  Other host platforms<   and/or the KVM itself might or might not deal with this...   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:11:01 -0500a From: stan@stanq.comE Subject: Re: Keyboards [Was Re: using a multihead XP1000 workstation]m. Message-ID: <3A539565.17742.2D72A60@localhost>  , On 3 Jan 2001, at 22:07, Hoff Hoffman wrote:K >   If you can find me a "standard PC keyboard", well, I'll let you know...o  C Point taken.  However, I have a LK-47W (I think) which I can use.  dE Works great with VMS on Multias, but the key codes are all confusing tC or weird under Linux or Windows.  I have to hit Ctrl-Alt-Remove to a reboot, for instance.d  I >   Personally, I try to avoid using a PC layout keyboard -- whichever ofoL >   the various different "standard" keyboard layouts or terminal emulators M >   or such is in use -- for OpenVMS access.  (The choice of keyboard is, of l= >   course, is a highly personal and widely variable choice.)   E I use SecureCRT on my PC mostly, which does great emulation and also eC does SSH1/SSH2.  I can switch between that and a VT-420 and do all .8 the TPU things my fingers have learned without problems.  N >   Please see other discussions in the newsgroups for successes and problems  >   with KVMs.  F I followed the latest discussions a few months ago.  I have a Linksys E KVM, which doesn't cooperate with VMS very well.  As I recall, there bD was only one KVM which works, but it's 5 times more costly than any A other.  It does mention VMS specifically on the web page, though.o  E I have the Multias on the KVM because I can't send their consoles to hA a terminal server port (since the Multia serial ports don't work sE under VMS).  All my other VMS systems are sent to a terminal server, h  which is a much better solution.  = > You may find that swapping keyboards via KVM will run afoulaC > of the scanset expectations of the platforms -- when OpenVMS seessA > the keyboard power-cycle, it does try to reset the mode.  Other C > host platforms and/or the KVM itself might or might not deal with9	 > this...0  B This usually works with the Linksys KVM, but not always.  And the E mouse is totally hosed under Linux unless I have the KVM switched to  " the Linux system at reboot.  Yuck.     --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671a1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  431470= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comY   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:44:23 -0600$ From: "Headman" <headman@ticnet.com>2 Subject: Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT EditorO Message-ID: <8DFE66A661230297.25C2F3F36811F242.A0AED74C2C8B7F1B@lp.airnews.net>c  K     I thank all that responded.  Is there an older version of the source cdDI that some one would be either willing to loan for a week or ten days?  OrNJ could be privately mounted over the internet?  Again just the EDT sources?   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2001 11:38:14 PSTdT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) Subject: Source dor TSM021?.3 Message-ID: <w7sgdZXfxVVB@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>o  0         Sorry to bring up this old topic, but...  H         According to posts  from  last  August,  TSM021 is now availableH     free   of  charge  (though  unsupported).   In  fact,  I  believe  IH     downloaded the kits at that time, but had to delete  them  (and  no,H     they're  not on backups).  The posts from that time period list this     URL:  ;             http://www.networks.digital.com/dr/servers/tsm/h  H     which, unfortunately, no longer works.   Can anyone supply a current     source for TSM021?           Thanks, Kene --M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edua:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:50:31 -0500- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>d Subject: Re: Source dor TSM021?D4 Message-ID: <KoL46.112962$Z2.1315210@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  2 "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515". <Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU> wrote in message- news:w7sgdZXfxVVB@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu...  >...= >             http://www.networks.digital.com/dr/servers/tsm/= >=B >     which, unfortunately, no longer works.   Can anyone supply a currentf >     source for TSM021? >...  ' Try http://www.dnpg.com/dr/npg/tsm.html      --   RULES OF THE AIR   -----------------b>   #7. When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No one has ever       collided with the sky.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2001 15:19:50 PST T From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) Subject: Re: Source dor TSM021?=3 Message-ID: <boqGFsSn3LNK@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>r  5 In article <KoL46.112962$Z2.1315210@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, s4     	"Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes:4 > "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515"0 > <Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU> wrote in message/ > news:w7sgdZXfxVVB@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu...a >>...d> >>             http://www.networks.digital.com/dr/servers/tsm/ >>C >>     which, unfortunately, no longer works.   Can anyone supply an > current source for TSM021? >>...  > ) > Try http://www.dnpg.com/dr/npg/tsm.htmls  H         Thanks a lot, Peter.  That's exactly what I was looking for (and9     I'll now file away so as not to lose it again!).  :-)f           -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu=:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2001 16:02:58 PST T From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) Subject: Re: Source dor TSM021?d3 Message-ID: <sbWDyF14Tzl0@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>u  5 In article <KoL46.112962$Z2.1315210@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, 04     	"Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes: [...]) >>     source for TSM021?  >>...- > ) > Try http://www.dnpg.com/dr/npg/tsm.htmlc  H         No joy. :-(  On  downloading  the  files  (with Netscape 3.03 onB     VMS), then RUNning the DCX_AXPEXE (or DCX_VAXEXE) file, I get:  C -------------------------------------------------------------------w ...+6 Decompressing (press Ctrl-T to watch the evolution)...%         Creating decompressed file...=E         Original file specification: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]TSM021.SAV;1iP         Decompressed file specification: DISK$SCRATCH:[SCRATCH.FAIRFIELD]TSM021. SAV;1=0 %FTSV-W-COMP_DECOMPERR, fatal decompressor error -DCX-W-TRUNC, data truncatedC -------------------------------------------------------------------l  H         I've  just  written  to  the  webmaster  at  DNPG  but  I'm  notH     particularly  hopeful.  Seems the files get downloaded as  Stream-LFH     files rather than in binary, fixed 512 byte record files.  Is this aH     web server problem on their end, or a Netscape problem on my end?  IA     don't know.  What I'd give for anonymous ftp at this point...   H         If anyone out there  has  copies  of  the TSM021 savesets or DCXH     files,  at  least  for  Alpha VMS if not both,  and  can  make  them9     available, I'd be most appreciative and in your debt!t           -Ken -- tM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edux:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2001 15:12:15 -0500m9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)t4 Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm.+ Message-ID: <o8TN$h6xCia9@eisner.decus.org>r  E In article <92vrfb$g8p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, yyygac2@my-deja.com writes:   G > I would simply like to have the ability to somehow determine that theeG > the end display device is in fact a DECterm.  I want this information G > so I could add the escape sequence to set the DECterm's icon title toSE > the host name as part of the VMS DCL prompt string in my LOGIN.COM. F > This way I could easily identify to which system my iconized DECtermF > windows are connected as I make network connections (via SET HOST orI > TELNET) to remote systems.  By embedding the sequence in the DCL promptrF > string on each system the icon title can be automatically set to theG > remote system name when connecting to remote systems as well as reset B > to the originating system name upon logout (when the originatingF > system's DCL prompt is restored).  The stumbling block to just doingH > this blindly is that the icon text is not swallowed if the end displayH > device is not a DECterm and doesn't understand the escape sequence andD > as a result is visible in the DCL prompt ... not pretty.  BTW, andF > crank up the 30 character limit on the DCL prompt string length so I0 > can add the sequence for the window title too!  F I see an advantage in the prompt string length so that people do _not_D impose the overhead of DECterm setup each time a command is issued !  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2001 22:15:30 GMT:2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)4 Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm.6 Message-ID: <9308a2$h09$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  E In article <92vrfb$g8p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, yyygac2@my-deja.com writes:l  F :I would simply like to have the ability to somehow determine that theF :the end display device is in fact a DECterm.  I want this informationF :so I could add the escape sequence to set the DECterm's icon title toD :the host name as part of the VMS DCL prompt string in my LOGIN.COM. .." :The stumbling block to just doingG :this blindly is that the icon text is not swallowed if the end displayyG :device is not a DECterm and doesn't understand the escape sequence andp, :as a result is visible in the DCL prompt...  K   I'd consider this description to indicate a bug exists in the particular  K   terminal emulator or hardware terminal in use -- terminals are generally aF   expected to quietly swallow any unrecognized but correctly-formated G   ANSI sequences.  The last terminal that I can recall that did not do 2K   this was an antique Tektronix 40xx series tube -- all of the ANSI-capable H   VT series terminals will quietly process unsupported escape sequences,&   unless emulating an antique display.  G   You can clearly also send the "what are you" inquiry sequence to the tH   terminal, and use the results to decide what capabilities are present.H   (DEC_CRT2, DEC_CRT3, DEC_CRT4, DEC_CRT5, ANSI_CRT, etc.)  If you want,F   you can set the DECterm to return "I'm a DECterm".  If you choose toJ   use the DECterm emulation of a VT-series terminal, then it appears that F   one or more of your emulators is busted and is not really emuluating   the DECterm...  G   You could also establish the DECterm yourself, using CREATE/TERMINAL. *   (Then you KNOW you are using a DECterm.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2001 19:07:29 GMTm3 From: lewis@mazda.nospam.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)  Subject: Re: VMSTAR.( Message-ID: <92vt9h$rr4$1@top.mitre.org>   "Julliard, Alan T." <JulliardAT@ci.anchorage.ak.us> writes in article <5EBCB843B341D411B40A000629382DEC01501CBD@DILBERT> dated Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:39:35 -0900: M >  I am new to this list (sorry for the previous SUBSCRIBE post - it's been aeI >while since I subscribed to any list).  I have 2 Alpha's which I want to.H >backup via NFS to an IBM S/390 with a tape robot running OMVS 2.7.  The  H Hold it right there.  You may have more problems than just permissions. K Some VMS file attributes are seriously munged by copying to Unix and back. tK If your record format is stream_lf or fixed length 512, you can probably doh= it.  But many files on the system disk (for example) are not.?  K One workaround is to use VMS "backup" to create a saveset on a scratch diskoL and then back that up to Unix over nfs or ftp.  If you ever bring it back to' VMS to restore files, you will need to    *     $ SET FILE saveset.bck /ATTR=LRL=32256  " in order to fix the record length.  2 --Keith Lewis              klewis@nospam.mitre.org PGP key available.         s> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 20:27:42 -0600e7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: VMSTAR4- Message-ID: <3A53DF9E.5925C5AE@earthlink.net>s   "Julliard, Alan T." wrote: >  > Greetings! > N >   I am new to this list (sorry for the previous SUBSCRIBE post - it's been aJ > while since I subscribed to any list).  I have 2 Alpha's which I want toE > backup via NFS to an IBM S/390 with a tape robot running OMVS 2.7. g  D Not recommended. Consider the disaster recovery scenario, and you'll soon figure out why.   > [snip]= > Barring any solution, I will just carry on with the currente& > tape backups and not worry about it.   That'd be my advice.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems> http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/)  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.O   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:38:56 GMTD From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>/ Subject: Re: voor de belgische Alpha gebruikers ' Message-ID: <3A539BEE.519258AC@home.nl>o   Hi Hoff   E Do we have to assume you can understand Dutch ?? (miracles do happen)L   Regards,   Dirk   Hoff Hoffman wrote:a > t > In article <mkG46.774$m52.39717@nreader2.kpnqwest.net>, "Volckaerts, Tommy" <Tommy.Volckaerts@Advalvas.be> writes:; > :Digital PWS 500a met 500mhz cpu (mogelijk met 2mb cache)  > ..F > :kan Openvms, Unix, linux, nt4 (ja het kan maar wie wil dat) draaien > G >   Please note that this system is NOT officially supported by OpenVMS H >   nor by Tru64 UNIX.  You might or might not be successful getting theG >   system to bootstrap, using the hobbyist license and distribution...o > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.007 ************************