/ INFO-VAX	Thu, 04 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 8       Contents:: Re: ## Keyboards and Measurement of System Performance  ##: Re: ## Keyboards and Measurement of System Performance  ##: Re: ## Keyboards and Measurement of System Performance  ##- Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays - Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays , ANN: GNU patch and diffutils ports available< Re: Applications using files by file ID instead of directory< Re: Applications using files by file ID instead of directory  Re: AQUARIUM OWNERS READ THIS!!!8 Re: Auto-booting & monitor for DEC 3000-300L w/ PMAGB-BA8 Re: Auto-booting & monitor for DEC 3000-300L w/ PMAGB-BA( Big Operator.log full of strage messages, Re: Big Operator.log full of strage messages Can DCL talk to TCP/IP ports? ! Re: Can DCL talk to TCP/IP ports? ! Re: Can DCL talk to TCP/IP ports? ! Re: Can DCL talk to TCP/IP ports? ! Re: Can DCL talk to TCP/IP ports? ! Re: Can DCL talk to TCP/IP ports?  Re: CHARON x Compaq Notebook DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4" Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4" Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--46 Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NAS6 Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NAS6 Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NAS6 Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NAS6 Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NAS/ Re: eBay *desperately* needs TWO backup systems / Re: eBay *desperately* needs TWO backup systems / Re: eBay *desperately* needs TWO backup systems / Re: eBay *desperately* needs TWO backup systems # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again ( Re: File system performance and security Re: Giving up on VMS Re: Giving up on VMS Re: Happy New Years 6 Last version of OpenVMS supported by OSMS? - with text Pathworks error message & Re: Sending messages to an application& Re: Sending messages to an application& Re: Sending messages to an application) Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor ) Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor ) Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor ) Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor ) Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor ) Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor ) Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor  Re: Source dor TSM021? Re: Source dor TSM021?+ Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm. + Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm. + Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm. + Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm. + Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm. ( Re: using a multihead XP1000 workstation( Re: using a multihead XP1000 workstation& Re: voor de belgische Alpha gebruikers& Re: voor de belgische Alpha gebruikers& Re: voor de belgische Alpha gebruikers Re: XSTAT OPCOM From Bind   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:28:56 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> C Subject: Re: ## Keyboards and Measurement of System Performance  ## ) Message-ID: <3A545E78.70B5374F@bbc.co.uk>    Vikram Opal wrote:  	 > Hallo !  > M > First of all a very happy new year to all of u subcribers, browsers and not  > forgetting gurus ! > S > I was introduced to this group only some time back and find reading thru the msgs H > very informative and interesting. So... now a little on my problem.... >  > 1. Keyboard and layouts:V > Until now, I've been working on OpenVMS either using a VT or a PC Terminal EmulationQ > sw.  I now use a HP Unix workstation running CDE and telnet to the OpenVMS box. G > This HP Workstation has a "normal" HP english keyboard ( PC styled ). V > I miss using my "VT" keyboard ... and the various special keys that come with it....W > for eg: the F1, do, pf1, select keys etc.  I've now learned that with the combination Q > of ctrl-b on this keyboard is almost the equivalent of hitting the do key ..... W > SO, is there a way for me to find out as to what the new key combinations should be ?  >   T Yes, I remember happy days typing cntl-b then cntl-u for DO while using EVE from OSF systems.  U You should check the available keyboard options for your CDE session, maybe something 
 like PCXAL would improve things somewhat.  6 Tim, very used now to pressing scroll-lock for DO etc.   >    --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 08:44:00 -0500 , From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)C Subject: Re: ## Keyboards and Measurement of System Performance  ## + Message-ID: <WSiAIVqUVmGJ@eisner.decus.org>   S In article <3A538F73.16749246@t-online.de>, Vikram Opal <VOpal@t-online.de> writes:    > 1. Keyboard and layouts:  V > Until now, I've been working on OpenVMS either using a VT or a PC Terminal EmulationQ > sw.  I now use a HP Unix workstation running CDE and telnet to the OpenVMS box. G > This HP Workstation has a "normal" HP english keyboard ( PC styled ). V > I miss using my "VT" keyboard ... and the various special keys that come with it....+ > for eg: the F1, do, pf1, select keys etc.   I IIRC you can xmodmap to get the keys to mean what you need them to mean.  G Most of the time if I'm coming from a non-DEC (Compaq) UNIX workstation C I start up xterm as VMS certainly understands it's VT100 emulation.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:04:45 -0500 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> C Subject: Re: ## Keyboards and Measurement of System Performance  ## + Message-ID: <3A5482FD.A882EC27@hsc.vcu.edu>   ( http://www.cs.utk.edu/~shuford/terminal/  x has LOTS of info about terminals... I've seen the other threads in this thread, and hopefully this url may be of help...   Jim    Vikram Opal wrote: > 	 > Hallo !  > M > First of all a very happy new year to all of u subcribers, browsers and not  > forgetting gurus ! > S > I was introduced to this group only some time back and find reading thru the msgs H > very informative and interesting. So... now a little on my problem.... >  > 1. Keyboard and layouts:V > Until now, I've been working on OpenVMS either using a VT or a PC Terminal EmulationQ > sw.  I now use a HP Unix workstation running CDE and telnet to the OpenVMS box. G > This HP Workstation has a "normal" HP english keyboard ( PC styled ). V > I miss using my "VT" keyboard ... and the various special keys that come with it....W > for eg: the F1, do, pf1, select keys etc.  I've now learned that with the combination Q > of ctrl-b on this keyboard is almost the equivalent of hitting the do key ..... W > SO, is there a way for me to find out as to what the new key combinations should be ?  > F > I shall appreciate a reply to my email address vikram_opal@yahoo.com >  > Many thanx in advance, > Vikram   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:30:58 +0100 C From: Postmaster Open Integrators <postmaster@open-integrators.com> 6 Subject: Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays4 Message-ID: <3A5442D2.610CF87B@open-integrators.com>   please unsubscribe me    "David J. Dachtera" schreef:   > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > @ > > In article <oo346.35612$1t.1793320@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,; > >  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  > > |>S > > |> Yep. And given the massive cost of porting the aforementioned apps to Alpha, 0 > > |> this restriction isn't likely to go away. > > J > > I wondered how long before this came up again.  We had a rather livelyI > > discussion on this very subject not long ago and there were even some M > > rather interesting suggestions.  And while a number of people even agreed K > > that there was a potential solution, talking is as far as it ever gets.  > F > Well, let me ask the question once again: what would you have us do? >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:01:36 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com 6 Subject: Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy HolidaysD Message-ID: <OF3AEB52E3.865B9096-ON882569CA.0062F2CE@foundation.com>  H I bet our /companies/ could band together and do that out of petty cash.   Shane           C jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) on 01/03/2001 06:35:53 PM    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   7 Subject:  Re: Alpha nonstrategy, was Re: Happy Holidays     < In article <lDQ46.32415$1M.7229772@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,3 Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  > @ >"David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message' >news:930him$e33@gap.cco.caltech.edu... I >> In article <dkM46.38757$1t.1977614@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. - >Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  >> >I >> >Dunno if they did the buyback, but now looks like an even better time  >than 	 >> >then.  >> > >>I >> Not so sure about that.  Digital's stock was perpetually "undervalued" E >> starting in the early 90's and that never changed until they died. H >> Compaq's stock has been underperforming in a very similar manner ever >sinceG >> the takeover.  I expect to see them go even lower than the $15 range I >> they're now trading in, although probably not so low as the $5/share I B >> "predicted" for 11/2000 in my Nov 1999 "Compaq bloodied by Mass
 Defection"	 >> spoof.  > I >Heck, if the stock goes to $5, the Constant Readers of comp.os.vms ought  to& >be able to gain controlling interest! >  >   H Hmmm... At $17, the market cap for CPQ is around $30B, at $5, that wouldE put it at around $8B.  Controlling interest?  Around $4B... Gosh, I'm / hanging out with the wrong comp.os.vms Readers!    -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:44:34 GMT + From: Craig A. Berry <calepine@my-deja.com> 5 Subject: ANN: GNU patch and diffutils ports available ) Message-ID: <93299f$h9p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   ? Updated versions of GNU patch 2.5.4 and GNU diffutils 2.7.2 for ( OpenVMS are available for download from:   <http://www.crinoid.com/utils/>   < The kits include source and linkable object code for VAX and> Alpha.  OpenVMS 6.2 or later is required (or at least known to: work).  Just download, unzip, and type @LINK.  If you have8 OpenVMS 7.0 or later and a C compiler, there may be some# advantages to building from source.   H GNU diffutils is a suite of file difference utilities similar in concept9 to OpenVMS DIFFERENCES.  The sets of differences produced G are called "diffs" in Unix-speak .  GNU patch is a utility for applying E these diffs to the original sources, and is similar in concept to the 8 OpenVMS SUMSLP editor.  The two in tandem are vital to a6 number of open-source development projects, especially! cross-platform efforts like Perl.   > The porting team included Charles Lane, Martin Vorlaender, and? me.  We plan on submitting these quite soon for the next Compaq ? freeware CD, which (last I heard) has a deadline of 5-FEB-2001. C So, if you find any bugs, please let us know ASAP (preferably after = fixing them ;-).  Contact information is included in the file   freeware_readme.txt in each kit.   Enjoy!     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Jan 2001 21:38:55 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>E Subject: Re: Applications using files by file ID instead of directory 0 Message-ID: <87d7e492mo.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:   O > Ok, you have an application that stores a gazillion small files and maintains J > its own index of files (containing some attributes for each file such as > sender, date etc). > I > Would it be possible under VMS to have the application create the files H > without having them entered in a VMS directory ? (i.e. only entered inH > indexf.sys) and having the application use the files by file ID only ? > M > Wouldn't this result in much faster file creation and especially deletion ? P > Also, wouldn't file access (open) be faster since you're supplying the file ID5 > right away and no need to search a directory file ?   @ Yes. Look at the parameter block to the open. It has a field forC the file ID. This is zero normally when you do the open, and filled A in on return. Save this value, then restore it next time you open A the file, and it will be used. However, File ID are not garenteed D preserved if you copy the files. So you need the name or some stable" reference to rebuild your indexes.  A Perhaps you should consider RMS relative or indexed files to hold A the data; that will give you the indexing, and slash the file and C open count. Working with huge numbers of files is not fun, or fast.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:31:15 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> E Subject: Re: Applications using files by file ID instead of directory ) Message-ID: <3A546D12.B06D9518@gtech.com>    JF Mezei wrote: O > Ok, you have an application that stores a gazillion small files and maintains J > its own index of files (containing some attributes for each file such as > sender, date etc). > I > Would it be possible under VMS to have the application create the files 2 > without having them entered in a VMS directory ?   Yes.  H >                                                  (i.e. only entered inH > indexf.sys) and having the application use the files by file ID only ?   Yes.   M > Wouldn't this result in much faster file creation and especially deletion ?    Yes. But very little.   P > Also, wouldn't file access (open) be faster since you're supplying the file ID5 > right away and no need to search a directory file ?    Yes. But very little.    ----  B If either sufficient high VMS version or proper distribution among directories G ensures that the directories are cached in memory, then the gains would  be minimal.   G And there are definatetly potential problems. What happends if your app  has B a bug ? What happends when you run ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR on the disk	 etc.etc..    I would not recommend it.   F I can tell you that FTP in UCX 1.x did get the file by number and then first E entered the file in a directory at the end. It was a nigthmare if the E process was aborted and people had a huge file being chaerged against 
 their diskE quote that they could not find and delete themselves. Digital dropped  that idea.    Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:47:30 -0500& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: AQUARIUM OWNERS READ THIS!!! 5 Message-ID: <MU%46.552$9g.10601@wagner.videotron.net>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C07633.5AABEBC0  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   H Great! I can now cluster my aquariums so that they can share water and =I fishes. Easy maintenance! You only need to put food in one tank, fishes =X? will be able to get to it using the new improved DECwater link!K   --=20a Syltreme3 http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS Web Site)M    + ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C07633.5AABEBC0o Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"e+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>7 <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =t charset=3Diso-8859-1">9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR>  <STYLE></STYLE>E </HEAD>! <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>H <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Great! I can now cluster my aquariums = so that they=20 I can share water and fishes. Easy maintenance! You only need to put food =g	 in one=20 I tank, fishes will be able to get to it using the new improved DECwater=20  link!</FONT></DIV>C <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR>-- <BR>Syltrem<BR><A=20PJ href=3D"http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem">http://pages.infinit.net/syltre= m</A>=20 (OpenVMS Web Site)</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>e  - ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C07633.5AABEBC0--n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:44:24 -07005 From: "Laurie L. Vandenberg" <lvandenberg@uswest.net> A Subject: Re: Auto-booting & monitor for DEC 3000-300L w/ PMAGB-BA 3 Message-ID: <QiV46.5320$xZ3.776238@news.uswest.net>w   Hi Michael.   J I think you want to use Auto_Action RESTART.  This will cause an automatic reboot in all cases, whereG Auto_Action BOOT will cause an automatic reboot in all cases except forb halt/restart type bugchecks.  A The PMAGB-BA is described as 72/66 HZ.  This should help you out.y    =          PMAGB-Bx (HX) GRAPHICS MODULE 54-21143-01, 02 AND 03   (                         ________________)                        | o            o |a)                        |          J1 J3 |aA                        |           : :  | <-- Jumper Holding Pinsd)                        |                | F   Oscillator Jumper -->| :            : | <-- EEPROM Jumper (Ship=Out))   (see Table A)        | J5          J2 | )                        |                |r)                        |     SMART      |p)                        |     FRAME      |a)                        |     BUFFER     |n*                       ----ooo-------------,                     PMAGB-Bx Module Bulkhead  J         For a description of the PMAGB-Bx OSCILLATOR JUMPER SETTINGS referJ         to Table A. For related monitor type information refer to Table B.  E         For more detailed information refer to the Smart Frame Bufferr3         TURBOchannel user manual (EK-SFBOM-TC-001).n    <                 Table A: PMAGB-Bx OSCILLATOR JUMPER SETTINGS<                 --------------------------------------------E  Part Number    Refresh  Resolution     J5 Position       Module NametE  -----------    -------  ----------     -----------       -----------u  L  54-21143-01 -  72Hz    1280 x 1024  -  Jumper J5  OFF  \ PMAGB-BA - Factory In.sJ              -  66Hz    1280 x 1024  -  Jumper J5  ON   / PMAGB-BB - Field Inst.B  K  54-21143-02 -  72Hz    1280 x 1024  -  Jumper J5  OUT \ PMAGB-BC - Factory  In.eI              -  60Hz    1024 x 864   -  Jumper J5  IN  / PMAGB-BD - Fieldc Inst.   J  54-21143-03 -  72Hz    1280 x 1024  -  Jumper J5 OUT \ PMAGB-BE - Factory Inst.5H              -  72Hz    1024 x 768   -  Jumper J5 IN  / PMAGB-BF - Field Inst.l    1                            Table B: MONITOR TABLE 1                            ----------------------c7                    MONITOR       Refresh     Resolutionu7                    -------       -------     ---------- 6                    VR262-A3  -   60Hz       1024 x 8646                    VR299-D3  -   60Hz       1024 x 8646                    VR297-D3  -   60Hz       1024 x 8647                    VR319-CA  -   66Hz       1280 x 1024b7                    VR319-DA  -   72Hz       1280 x 1024b7                    VR319-HA  -   72Hz       1280 x 1024 7                    VR320-CA  -   66Hz       1280 x 1024 7                    VR320-DA  -   72Hz       1280 x 1024h7                    VR320-GA  -   66Hz       1280 x 1024 7                    VRT16-DA  -   66Hz       1280 x 1024 E                    VRT16-HA  -   66/72Hz    1280 x 1024 (Set to 72Hz)h7                    VRT19-D3  -   66Hz       1280 x 1024bE                    VRT19-HA  -   66/72Hz    1280 x 1024 (Set to 72Hz)eE                    VRM17-HA  -   72Hz       1280 x 1024 or 1024 x 768 6                    VRC16-CA  -   72Hz       1024 x 768   Regards,   Laurie Vandenbergk      E "Michael Holmes" <NOSPAM.raider@NOSPAM.mindless.com> wrote in messagee( news:<9305vh02hnk@enews4.newsguy.com>...E > I recently purchased a DEC 3000-300L on Ebay for a hobbist machine..L > I'm still new to VMS hardware and system administration (previously I only* > had user access on a university system). >-K > I do not have a DEC monitor, so I'm using a serial cable connected to the 9 > comm port & my PC.  So far its working fine "headless".e >eL > What I would like is for the system to automatically boot when powered up.H > I set the "Auto_Action" to BOOT on the console, but when I flip on the poweryJ > switch it just comes up to the console prompt >>> and sits there until I > type in boot and enter.a >nG > What I'm I missing... I don't have any documention so I've search thee compagJ > site and found a Dec 3000-600/700/800 model setup documentionation (PDF) but  > thats it.  >"K > Second, I would like to get a monitor to use with DECWindows.  I was toldhK > that the card was 1280 x 1024 @ 66Hz, but I'm not sure that's correct.  IeJ > read somewhere that it might be 1280 x 1024 @72Hz.  Does anyone know theI > spec's for a Turbo Channel PMAGB-BA (from the console config) card?  IsdK > there a way to set the resolution to a different setting (ie 66Hz - so my-L > monitor will display).   Does the bulit-in graphic card display at a lower/ > refresh rate (has one below the serial ports.a >eB > Do you know what monitors are compatable (stock) with this card. >s > $ > Thanks for all you help in advance >- > Mike >a >  >,   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:54:00 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>A Subject: Re: Auto-booting & monitor for DEC 3000-300L w/ PMAGB-BA , Message-ID: <931ko4$1868@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  a "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" <Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU> wrote in messagem- news:mgQ5Qes1W3Ay@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu...   J >         Does the system  succeed  with  its  power-on  self-tests beforeG >     hitting the console prompt?  If not, it may "choose" not to boot.s  L Failing the keyboard test would be a likely one in a headless configuration.B On the 3000-400 you could disable this behaviour with the "SERVER"H environment variable. However, there was a server variant of this model;, this might not be an option on the 3000-300L   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 15:11:23 GMT  From: sysmgr@lnOPSgs.infn.it ()r1 Subject: Big Operator.log full of strage messagesu* Message-ID: <9323qr$lhk$1@server.garr.net>  ! I never seen something like this:o   (1)hG %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   4-JAN-2001 15:19:32.21  %%%%%%%%%%%  DUMP_LOG_FILEoF OPCOM has noticed a condition which might be due to an internal error.J It might also be explained by normal events, especially if nodes have justL crashed or rebooted in a VAXcluster.  Please bring this message to Digital'sG attention only if you are having problems with operator communications.-; Buffer is   920 (%X0398) bytes -- "clm privilege violation"  .., a dump follow, but it is not always the same ..   and like this: (2) 8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   4-JAN-2001 15:20:04.58  %%%%%%%%%%%N OPCOM on AXPGS4 is trying again to talk to WSGS07, csid 00010032, system 39590    / Enviroment: CLUSTER migrating from V7.1 to V7.2t#   Some  VaxStation all running V7.2$F      these show only the message (2) only about the alphas running 7.2     Three Alpha running V7.2H      these show the message (1) and the message (2) about any other node     Three Alpha running V7.1A      these show the message (2) only about the alphas running 7.2 
           D I can complete the upgrade to 7.2, but I am worry about the axp 7.2 D opcom....  If it is doing this now, what it will do after?            % Many thanks in advance for help, bye. A                                                Nazzareno Taborgnas   $! DCL      - $ e_mail = Reply_To_Field - "OPS"  ! antispameL $!_________________________________________________________________________    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 16:20:54 +0100M* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)5 Subject: Re: Big Operator.log full of strage messagest* Message-ID: <3a5494d6$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  L In article <9323qr$lhk$1@server.garr.net>, sysmgr@lnOPSgs.infn.it () writes: >e" >I never seen something like this:   Me too.v  E >I can complete the upgrade to 7.2, but I am worry about the axp 7.2 -E >opcom....  If it is doing this now, what it will do after?          r  M Avoid V7.2 and go to directly V7.2-1 (and don't forget to apply all patches).o Maybe there is a difference...   -Peter  J PS: I know of a bank running OpenVMS 7.3 (is still beta) in production forO over a year now (!!) because of (eg. performance) limitations with V7.2[-xx]...d -- n< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888H< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:06:38 +0100m2 From: Nicholas Barnes <nicholas-za.barnes@ubs.com>& Subject: Can DCL talk to TCP/IP ports?' Message-ID: <3A54836E.2C4D6468@ubs.com>i   Hi,t  @ I would like to be able to use DCL (7.2-1, TCPIP 5.0A) to open aF read/write connection to a TCP/IP port on a remote machine in much the7 same way as I would open a DECNET task to task session.   H Is this possible? I have had a look around and I can't find any mentions of anything like thisn  E For those interested, I'm writing some code which needs to be able to H contact a mail gateway (SMTP port) and 'forge' some mail to make it lookB like it's come from my Outlook address rather than from a VMS box.  H Now, I can do this by hand in a Telnet session, and so I had the thoughtE that I may be able to force Telnet to take input from somewhere else,oC but it steadfastly refuses to use anything other than the keyboard.mF Anyway, using Telnet would be a last resort - I can see too many other* problems for that to be easy to implement.   Cheers,B   Nick.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:37:16 -0500& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>* Subject: Re: Can DCL talk to TCP/IP ports?5 Message-ID: <aL%46.531$9g.10129@wagner.videotron.net>a  ) Have you considered using DECnet over IP?    Maybe that could work...   -- Syltrem@3 http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS Web Site).        ? "Nicholas Barnes" <nicholas-za.barnes@ubs.com> wrote in message ! news:3A54836E.2C4D6468@ubs.com...  >h > Hi,i >uB > I would like to be able to use DCL (7.2-1, TCPIP 5.0A) to open aH > read/write connection to a TCP/IP port on a remote machine in much the9 > same way as I would open a DECNET task to task session.c >iJ > Is this possible? I have had a look around and I can't find any mentions > of anything like thise >cG > For those interested, I'm writing some code which needs to be able toeJ > contact a mail gateway (SMTP port) and 'forge' some mail to make it lookD > like it's come from my Outlook address rather than from a VMS box. >nJ > Now, I can do this by hand in a Telnet session, and so I had the thoughtG > that I may be able to force Telnet to take input from somewhere else,sE > but it steadfastly refuses to use anything other than the keyboard.eH > Anyway, using Telnet would be a last resort - I can see too many other, > problems for that to be easy to implement. >o	 > Cheers,1 >  > Nick.u   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 16:25:22 GMTt2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: Can DCL talk to TCP/IP ports?6 Message-ID: <93285i$rft$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <3A54836E.2C4D6468@ubs.com>, Nicholas Barnes <nicholas-za.barnes@ubs.com> writes:  A :I would like to be able to use DCL (7.2-1, TCPIP 5.0A) to open adG :read/write connection to a TCP/IP port on a remote machine in much thez8 :same way as I would open a DECNET task to task session. :aI :Is this possible? I have had a look around and I can't find any mentions  :of anything like this  G   I am aware of no direct way to do this, as TCP/IP has not been fully  I   integrated into DCL -- the closest would probably involve the creation uJ   of a TELNET device (TELNET CREATE_SESSION) that targets the remote port.H   (I'd like to see task-to-task support added to DCL for IP (OPEN/TCP orI   some such), but it is not there yet -- though you can get pretty close  K   with the TELNET stuff, with the inetd/sys$net stuff, and with rsh/rexec.)D  F :For those interested, I'm writing some code which needs to be able toI :contact a mail gateway (SMTP port) and 'forge' some mail to make it lookrC :like it's come from my Outlook address rather than from a VMS box.   J   Load the current TCP/IP Services field test or the latest ECO for V5.0A.3   (It has this return address capability built-in.)p  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:27:59 -0500 & From: Ken Robinson <ksrobin@erenj.com>* Subject: Re: Can DCL talk to TCP/IP ports?7 Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010104112521.01c1ddd0@clmail>-  4 At 03:06 PM 01/04/2001 +0100, Nicholas Barnes wrote:   >Hi, > A >I would like to be able to use DCL (7.2-1, TCPIP 5.0A) to open a G >read/write connection to a TCP/IP port on a remote machine in much thea8 >same way as I would open a DECNET task to task session.  G There is a mechanism within TELNET that should allow you to do what you K want. Get to the "TELNET" prompt by entering TELNET at you DCL prompt. ThenzK enter "HELP Create_Session".  I haven't tried it myself so I can't tell you J whether it works. Alternatively there is a "/create_session" qualifier to  the TELNET comand.   Ken Robinson ksrobin@erenj.com  OpenVMS Consultant   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:43:39 GMTn From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com * Subject: Re: Can DCL talk to TCP/IP ports?8 Message-ID: <7h995tkshiem2erj58h8esi3usno0rku6r@4ax.com>  3 On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:06:38 +0100, Nicholas Barnes # <nicholas-za.barnes@ubs.com> wrote:i   >e >Hi, > A >I would like to be able to use DCL (7.2-1, TCPIP 5.0A) to open atG >read/write connection to a TCP/IP port on a remote machine in much the 8 >same way as I would open a DECNET task to task session. >rI >Is this possible? I have had a look around and I can't find any mentionsi >of anything like this > F >For those interested, I'm writing some code which needs to be able toI >contact a mail gateway (SMTP port) and 'forge' some mail to make it lookdC >like it's come from my Outlook address rather than from a VMS box./ >AI >Now, I can do this by hand in a Telnet session, and so I had the thoughttF >that I may be able to force Telnet to take input from somewhere else,D >but it steadfastly refuses to use anything other than the keyboard.G >Anyway, using Telnet would be a last resort - I can see too many otheri+ >problems for that to be easy to implement.  >m >Cheers, >a >Nick.  < if you can install Perl, perhaps try the Mime::Lite modules.3 (a fair number of presequite modules also required)s  : I believe you can "forge" most/all fields, such as sender.      5 $ perl mime_text.p somefile.csv "JoeBloggs@acme.com"      8 # ******************************************************8 # ****************************************************** use MIME::Lite;8  2 MIME::Lite->send('smtp', "acme.com", Timeout=>60);   $file = shift @ARGV; $recipients = shift @ARGV;> $subject = shift @ARGV;                                        $who_from = shift @ARGV;   $fname = $file;b- $fname =~ s/^.*\]//;     # strip VMS dir spec = $fname =~ s/^.*\://;     # strip dir spec for rooted logicalsp  % $message = "See, attached: $fname\n";0  D if (&mail_file( $file, $recipients, $subject, $message, $who_from )) { +     print "Mailed $file to $recipients.\n";  }! else {T1     print "Error mailing $file to $recipients\n";      $error_count++;t }e   exit;n  = # This routine actually mails the file as an attachment using  # base64 encoding.  
 sub mail_filee {G= my ($path, $recipients, $subject, $message, $who_from ) = @_;>   # Create a new message object.  2 my @recipient_list = split( /,\s*/, $recipients );   my $msg = new MIME::Lite From    =>$who_from, To      =>\@recipient_list,g Subject =>$subject,i Type    =>'TEXT',o Encoding=>'quoted-printable',e Data    =>$message;<   my  $filename = $path;4     $filename =~ s/^.*\]//;     # strip VMS dir specD     $filename =~ s/^.*\://;     # strip dir spec for rooted logicals       if ($path)     {V% #       Attach a file to the message.B  : #       attach $msg Type     =>'application/octet-stream', #       Path     =>$path,- #       Filename =>$filename,  #       Encoding =>'base64',# #       Disposition =>'attachment';t  "         attach $msg Type =>'TEXT',         Path     =>$path,B         Filename =>$filename,Z&         Encoding =>'quoted-printable',#         Disposition =>'attachment';t     }T     return $msg->send; }t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:43:18 +0000c% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>r* Subject: Re: Can DCL talk to TCP/IP ports?8 Message-ID: <et995ts3l2g95hoh0consb6jsp47nkipuq@4ax.com>  3 On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:06:38 +0100, Nicholas Barnes0# <nicholas-za.barnes@ubs.com> wrote:_   >_ >Hi, > A >I would like to be able to use DCL (7.2-1, TCPIP 5.0A) to open a G >read/write connection to a TCP/IP port on a remote machine in much theg8 >same way as I would open a DECNET task to task session. >tI >Is this possible? I have had a look around and I can't find any mentionsA >of anything like this   TELNET> HELP CREATE_SESSION     F >For those interested, I'm writing some code which needs to be able toI >contact a mail gateway (SMTP port) and 'forge' some mail to make it look C >like it's come from my Outlook address rather than from a VMS box.x >dI >Now, I can do this by hand in a Telnet session, and so I had the thought F >that I may be able to force Telnet to take input from somewhere else,D >but it steadfastly refuses to use anything other than the keyboard.G >Anyway, using Telnet would be a last resort - I can see too many other)+ >problems for that to be easy to implement.I >T >Cheers, >T >Nick.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:37:37 -0300o) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br-% Subject: Re: CHARON x Compaq Notebook-L Message-ID: <OFBE8DC344.77C8E6C5-ON032569CA.003F8364@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H What I am trying to say is.... they are developing a product with legac= yr characteristics.H They should develop and improve the device drives of new interfaces, li= ke USB, IEEE video,H etc ... CHARON is good for development because it works under Windows N= T  and thisH OS is full compatible with almost 99% of the PCI cards....So to develop= ,c test and convertH a device driver from CHARON to OpenVMS Alpha "in theory" must be easier=  ...     Regards    FC        ; Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> em 03/01/2001 22:56:06-  ( Favor responder a ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       % Assunto: Re: CHARON x Compaq Notebook-     Tim Llewellyn wrote:  , > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > A > > People from SRI says that CHARON can be used in Notebooks for  > > demonstration4H > > but nowadays Compaq is developing serial-less Notebooks. Who=B4s wr= ong ?  > >3 > > H http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1027-7-3990422.html?tag=3Dst.co.10= 26.bhed.1027-7-3990422   > >  > > Fabio Cardoso  > > 
 > > Happy XXI  > ! > so, get a USB-to serial widget.  >2  H Actually, a USB to Serial widget might not work.  I've encountered some=   Windows-based softwareD that would not work properly with a USB-to-Serial device because the software was coded to workH directly with the UART chip that traditional PC hardware serial ports a= re based on.  This2H software was a serial data capturing application that could perform RS2= 32 data capture and signal H analysis and it was written this way on purpose, but none the less is m= adeV my 4 port USB to RS232% adapter useless for that application.s     -- Chuck Choppg  8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager7                                   8007740718@skytel.comP             =w   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:27:14 GMTt From: karlrohwedder@my-deja.com ' Subject: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4c) Message-ID: <931tnd$6fp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>w   A c h t u n g !u W a r n i n g !p  D After installing the patch (DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4.PCSI) and rebooting the system, is6 announces itself as VMS V7.2-1 (quite a fast update!).  > This is done in the boot message and also with SHOW SYSTEM and F$GETSYI("VERSION").G A SHOW SYSTEM from another clusternode displays V7.2 as the VMS versionw as does SHOW CLUSTER.r  E This is not only annoying but very disturbing, because we have commonm code, which checksG the VMS version using lexical functions and acts accordingly (which nowl fails).   : I have started a call but thought, other should be warned. --
 mfg | regardsf Karl Rohwedder     Sent via Deja.comi http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 16:18:58 GMTa2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4c6 Message-ID: <9327pi$rft$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  K In article <931tnd$6fp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, karlrohwedder@my-deja.com writes:0E :After installing the patch (DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4.PCSI) andA :rebooting the system, isE" :announces itself as VMS V7.2-1...  
   Workaround:w  $     $ RUN SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SYSVER     REPLACE V7.1-2	     WRITE<
     $ EXIT    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:35:07 -0500- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>n+ Subject: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--404 Message-ID: <5o356.114682$Z2.1324803@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messageo0 news:9327pi$rft$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >... >   Workaround:- >-& >     $ RUN SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SYSVER >     REPLACE V7.1-2 >     WRITE  >     $ EXIT >...   Neat,l   $ SHOW SYS/NOPROC B OpenVMS WEAVER  on node TSTBED  16-JUL-2000 13:33:49.39  Uptime  0 00:08:03; $ write sys$output "The version is: ''f$getsyi("version")'"% The version is: WEAVER     --   RULES OF THE AIR   -----------------t=   #8. A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. At9       'great' landing is one after which they can use theV       plane again.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 07:00:38 GMT % From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>i? Subject: Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NASf) Message-ID: <93172k$lfq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   7 In article <OF2EAE58AB.DC90DECD-ON032569C9.00669F8D@ep-: bc.petrobras.com.br>,O,   fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:
 > An idea: > C > This is an old product and  I believe it should be refurbished to   > implement some  NAS features !  @ Nonsense! NTDS is a block-server - NAS means heterogeneous file-$ sharing. That simply does not match.  > > Nowadays nobody is not interested to implement a file system > over another, in a server.  ! Again: NTDS is not a file-server.   B >  But if this product can be used under a Network Appliance based( >  in OpenVMS .... sounds interesting...  ) Using Advanced Server (former Pathworks)?tC I'd say: Forget it. Appliances are heavily stripped-down boxes that B only implement one job and the user does not (really) care what OS is in the box.   (Backup discussion deleted)O   --
 Uwe Zessin3 (If you want to send mail, please use user "zessin"_/ who lives at "decus.decus.de", not my-deja.com)-     Sent via Deja.com0 http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:33:14 -0300l) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br$? Subject: Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NAS,L Message-ID: <OFBFE4EAC9.3D19D0F5-ON032569CA.003F260B@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  F It was just an idea about implement OVMS and ABS as a corporate backup solutionH and transform  it  to become an EMC/EDM concurrent....of course a BACKU= Pi SERVERH but to heterogeneus OS and File Systems... I believe is possible  if Co= mpaq take a breath and go ....  H OVMS supports TCP/IP. Decnet, there=B4s the support of Fibre Channel...=  why not ?a   Regardsb   FC          H "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> em 04/01/2001 00:10:3= 8              Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come      ? Assunto: Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NASA    * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >-
 > An idea: >SC > This is an old product and  I believe it should be refurbished to-  > implement some  NAS features ! >a> > Nowadays nobody is not interested to implement a file systemC > over another, in a server.  But if this product can be used under8B >  a Network Appliance based in OpenVMS .... sounds interesting... >.? > And ABS should be the default backup solution for  OVMS ! ! !t  = A former site of mine has just upped their disk farm to 1TB+.E  H How do you propose to backup *THAT* much data - over the network - ever= ynC night (healthcare industry - *MUST* do full backups *EVERY* night)?   C Describe disaster the recovery process in detail (be specific, citey
 examples).  A OVMS systems should be considered BACKUP *SERVERS* - they are notk/ clients, with few exceptions, in my experience.n   -- David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.          =s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:45:36 -0300D) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra? Subject: Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NASdL Message-ID: <OF09F60AC0.7DFD5B99-ON032569CA.003FEA80@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H So NTDS is like the old LAD (Local Area Disk - is it ? )  from Pathwork= s ?3C I imagine OVMS as a strong OS and think it can fit the requirementsl? to become a NAS operating system: see the availability, and allo the bility / ies  we know...  9 If Linux and NT can apply to NAS software, why not OVMS ?k  = I allways saw OVMS as a SERVER operating system. There=B4s  au< insignificant number of applications to say that OVMS can be; used as a workstation/desktop OS.  The OVMS characteristicso, are all aligned to SERVER requirements .....   Regardso   FC          6 Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com> em 04/01/2001 05:00:38             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       ? Assunto: Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NASt    7 In article <OF2EAE58AB.DC90DECD-ON032569C9.00669F8D@ep-e bc.petrobras.com.br>,s,   fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:
 > An idea: > C > This is an old product and  I believe it should be refurbished toh  > implement some  NAS features !  @ Nonsense! NTDS is a block-server - NAS means heterogeneous file-$ sharing. That simply does not match.  > > Nowadays nobody is not interested to implement a file system > over another, in a server.  ! Again: NTDS is not a file-server.l  B >  But if this product can be used under a Network Appliance based( >  in OpenVMS .... sounds interesting...  ) Using Advanced Server (former Pathworks)?CC I'd say: Forget it. Appliances are heavily stripped-down boxes thatpB only implement one job and the user does not (really) care what OS is in the box.   (Backup discussion deleted)l   --
 Uwe Zessin3 (If you want to send mail, please use user "zessin"g/ who lives at "decus.decus.de", not my-deja.com)      Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/         =C   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 12:24:45 +0000e% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>h? Subject: Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NASD8 Message-ID: <95q85tc6cmn359j22lubkkdk6s9gn77iih@4ax.com>  # On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:33:14 -0300, * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:   > G >It was just an idea about implement OVMS and ABS as a corporate backupo	 >solutioneI >and transform  it  to become an EMC/EDM concurrent....of course a BACKUP  >SERVERtL >but to heterogeneus OS and File Systems... I believe is possible  if Compaq >taked >a breath and go ....v >sJ >OVMS supports TCP/IP. Decnet, theres the support of Fibre Channel... why >not ?  D Why not indeed. There's also a port of Legato Networker Storage NodeB for VMS underway by Wumpusware under contract to Legato which willF allow any NT, Unix or VMS client using Legato Networker to backup overE the network to storage attached to VMS systems. I intend obtaining anoA eval copy of this when available as we are current heavy users of2 Legato on NT an Unix.    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 12:23:33 -0300k) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br ? Subject: Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NASaL Message-ID: <OF3BDC922C.AA62BB1C-ON032569CA.00546648@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  < Not against Legato but I know  they are having financial and administratiive H problems... their stocks are almost zero ... and the concurrent compani= es are A using this argument  to customers  dont buy Legato software . . .h   Regardsr   FC        6 Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> em 04/01/2001 10:24:45             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com@      ? Assunto: Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NASe    # On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:33:14 -0300,B* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:   >lH >It was just an idea about implement OVMS and ABS as a corporate backup=  	 >solution H >and transform  it  to become an EMC/EDM concurrent....of course a BACK= UP >SERVEReE >but to heterogeneus OS and File Systems... I believe is possible  ifo Compaq >taker >a breath and go ..../ >pH >OVMS supports TCP/IP. Decnet, there=B4s the support of Fibre Channel..= . whyt >not ?  D Why not indeed. There's also a port of Legato Networker Storage NodeB for VMS underway by Wumpusware under contract to Legato which willF allow any NT, Unix or VMS client using Legato Networker to backup overE the network to storage attached to VMS systems. I intend obtaining anmA eval copy of this when available as we are current heavy users oft Legato on NT an Unix.    --
 Alan Greig         =u   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 07:20:14 -0500e9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)h8 Subject: Re: eBay *desperately* needs TWO backup systems+ Message-ID: <+xJ1enKUck7h@eisner.decus.org>o  X In article <Th7qp$FIN6Fi@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:  ; > 	You know Andrew, I mentioned this before and think it isdI > 	worth mentioning again... eBay *desperately* needs a backup system fors > 	the backup system.m  1 			Rob, let me beat Andrew to the punch and point*1 			out that you have the facts wrong on this one.*4 			eBay _has_ a backup system for the backup system,3 			at least according to Meg's message today (whichc! 			I quoted in the other thread):h  K We then brought up our third backup system which functioned effectively for L 40 minutes beginning at about 14:45 PT before a database problem caused thisM system to also become unavailable again at about 15:22 PT. The site was fullye( restored and operational as of 21:56 PT.  , > From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)A > Subject: eBay Tragic Comedy deepens and re-enters Twilight Zonee  > Date: 08 Dec 1999 00:00:00 GMT > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsm >  > Dear Meg and Pierre, > H >         As a valued customer, time and again I can't access your site. > K >         Since you are so in love with Sun hardware and as of this morning,K >         your market capitalization is at $21 billion dollars U.S. , mighteG >         I be so bold to suggest you spend $20 million more so you can K >         have a backup system for your backup system.   Mind you , this is Q >         rather unorthodox and might place in you the realm of "a laughing-stockeK >         of the industry" but I suppose it isn't much of a stretch of the  H >         imagination that you have far surpassed that status given how . >         often your UE10000 servers are down.    4 			So they took your suggestion, and it didn't work.2 			You shot your wad and it failed.  Certainly you6 			don't expect them to now take your advice regarding5 			operating systems ?  Too bad, it would have helpedt" 			the price of my Amiga stock :-)  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 08:25:44 -0500P* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)8 Subject: Re: eBay *desperately* needs TWO backup systems+ Message-ID: <Fs+5zoMCAdGo@eisner.decus.org>b  g In article <+xJ1enKUck7h@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:rZ > In article <Th7qp$FIN6Fi@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes: > < >> 	You know Andrew, I mentioned this before and think it isJ >> 	worth mentioning again... eBay *desperately* needs a backup system for >> 	the backup system. > 3 > 			Rob, let me beat Andrew to the punch and pointn3 > 			out that you have the facts wrong on this one.t6 > 			eBay _has_ a backup system for the backup system,5 > 			at least according to Meg's message today (which # > 			I quoted in the other thread):T > M > We then brought up our third backup system which functioned effectively forkN > 40 minutes beginning at about 14:45 PT before a database problem caused thisO > system to also become unavailable again at about 15:22 PT. The site was fullym* > restored and operational as of 21:56 PT. >   , 	Larry.. I see that and my apologies to Meg.  9 	Might I suggest that if they had a backup system for the0< 	backup system for the backup system they *may* not have had9 	this problem.  Of course, the industry would be laughing89 	as hard as ever but at $15 million per day and countless 8 	refunds you would think they would have as much Sun kit< 	as possible as often as they go down.  But you know what?  ! 	Still a riot of a solution , eh?i   				Robl   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 08:58:34 -0500u9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)a8 Subject: Re: eBay *desperately* needs TWO backup systems+ Message-ID: <CVwjvtdOzcYW@eisner.decus.org>A  X In article <Fs+5zoMCAdGo@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:  ; > 	Might I suggest that if they had a backup system for thee> > 	backup system for the backup system they *may* not have had > 	this problem.  3 			I think even with a backup system for the backupt5 			system for the backup system for the backup system 4 			they still would have failed due to that "storage5 			system shared by the primary and back-up systems".a  / 			To me that is the critical advantage held by 3 			host-based-volume-shadowing over the more commone7 			(in the industry) controller-based-volume-shadowing.91 			Certainly host-based-volume-shadowing can haveX0 			defects, but I cherish the idea that recovery1 			from sins of the storage widget was programmed'3 			by those not involved with design of the storagew7 			widget (and thus by people less likely to trust it).e   			Larry Kilgallen  L "The outage began at about 11:34 PT yesterday with a hardware failure on ourL backup system. As we restarted the back-up system, another problem developedL in the storage system shared by the primary and back-up systems, effectively bringing down the site."  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------    Date: 04 Jan 2001 19:08:03 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>8 Subject: Re: eBay *desperately* needs TWO backup systems0 Message-ID: <871yuj8tik.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  , young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:   < e-bumf trimmed > 1   Go here;- http://www.reviewboard.com/Section/Cover/E10kM? or follow the links from /dot. Go down some, the 3rd para abovew the Cpmpatability section.   99.7% ROTFLf  @ This struck me a a prime example of jounralism by press-release.   -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.i@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 05:37:42 -0500b9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)e, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again+ Message-ID: <QSxmMC+VF3wa@eisner.decus.org>a  s In article <60T46.32451$1M.7306160@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:.  L > Yep. Kinda reminds me of the old Saturday Night Live "Weekend Update" skit > which always included... > * > "and Generalissamo Franco is still dead" > : > AP picked up on this several hours ago. According to AP, > M > "A company spokesman said the parallel systems that operates eBay's auctionsH > service both went down. The cause of the problem was unknown, but eBayL > spokesman Kevin Pursglove denied the service had been hacked or interfered! > with from an outside intruder."E  C 	And it also was not caused by Martian invaders.  I know N-1 of the-C 	denizens of comp.os.vms are confident that eBay could mess up evenH@ 	their TERTIARY machine without help from _uninvited_ outsiders.  & http://www2.ebay.com/aw/announce.shtml      User: aw@ebay.com  Date: 01/04/01r  Time: 01:49:20 PSTe   *** Letter from Meg ***j   Dear eBay Community:  J Yesterday, the eBay site was unavailable to our users for almost 11 hours.I This outage was the result of a series of failures that affected both ourfL primary and backup systems. It was compounded by a decision we made to delayD the replacement of certain hardware components in an effort to avoidJ disrupting service during the busy holiday season. While we have known forM awhile that a potential problem existed in our shared disk hardware, we chosesE to delay the recommended upgrade because we had developed a series ofTJ work-arounds that had previously proven effective. We apologize to you all) for this lengthy interruption of service.o  K The outage began at about 11:34 PT yesterday with a hardware failure on our-L backup system. As we restarted the back-up system, another problem developedL in the storage system shared by the primary and back-up systems, effectively bringing down the site.   K We then brought up our third backup system which functioned effectively forpL 40 minutes beginning at about 14:45 PT before a database problem caused thisM system to also become unavailable again at about 15:22 PT. The site was fullyl( restored and operational as of 21:56 PT.  I In accordance with our Extension Policy, all auctions scheduled to end oneL Wednesday, January 3, 2001, between 11:34 PT and 23:59 PT have been extendedM by 24 hours. In accordance with our Extension Policy, all associated fees foriL auctions scheduled to end during this period will be refunded. This includesF Insertion Fees, Optional Insertion Fees (such as Featured and Category  Featured), and Final Value Fees.  L Since our last major outage in August 1999, we have invested considerably inB our technology infrastructure. For the last four quarters, we haveL demonstrated greater than 99% uptime. During this period, the backup systems  have performed without incident.  K We are taking steps to provide the level of service our members expect from-G eBay. First, we will upgrade the hardware components recommended by oureJ approximately six hours during a low-traffic time. Second, we have alreadyM embarked on a longer-term program to distribute the database to many separaterG servers that will isolate any failure to a limited part of the site. Wer. expect this to be complete within four months.  L We have made some significant improvements to the site over the past year toI improve site stability and scalability, and we still have some additionalaM work to stay ahead of our growth curve. We remain committed to these efforts.nG We apologize for this outage. And we thank you for your support of eBaye
 through this.h  
 Sincerely, Meg2  C 	Well DUUUH.  Ms. Abyte is certainly forthright in her description,:A 	but  "storage system shared by the primary and back-up systems"?p* 	Can you spell "Single Point of Failure" ?  < 	Has nobody looked at those dual-HSC diagrams from 1984 with< 	duplicate cabling from each system ?  The only common piece? 	in the middle is so simple it doesn't even use a power supply.o  : 	It really does not matter that this rig is built with Sun< 	gear (and maybe some EMC or other), the _design_principles_ 	should be the same the same.    Larry Kilgallent  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:29:55 GMTl= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again0 Message-ID: <009F59A0.37736765@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <QSxmMC+VF3wa@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:dt >In article <60T46.32451$1M.7306160@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: {...snip...}M >Since our last major outage in August 1999, we have invested considerably iniC >our technology infrastructure. For the last four quarters, we have M >demonstrated greater than 99% uptime. During this period, the backup systems ! >have performed without incident.t  K I don't have an exact date of their last "major" outage nor an exact figuredJ for want is >99%; however, if you assume about mid-August and 99.5% that's( still an awful large amount of downtime!  . ~500 days x 24 hrs/day x (1 - 99.5%) = 60 hrs.  I The question is how much greater than 99% and how much does eBay make (orA lose) per hour?m   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMp            fO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.B   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:59:47 +0100, From: "Anders" <ccc28376a@post.cybercity.dk>, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again/ Message-ID: <DAZ46.288$ZH.1906@news.get2net.dk>n   Indeed,-  G I recall many years ago someone from EDS saying that on one specific TP G system they operated for a client 99.44% (the ivory soap jingle number)aE correctly processed transactions meant 60,000 incorrect ones pr. day.b  K There really is very little excuse for eBay.  No matter whether it is Ebay,n@ Oracle or Sun who is at fault.  It is just to amateur for words.   Ao  H Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009F59A0.37736765@SendSpamHere.ORG...- > In article <QSxmMC+VF3wa@eisner.decus.org>,i; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes::I > >In article <60T46.32451$1M.7306160@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C.N, Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > {...snip...}L > >Since our last major outage in August 1999, we have invested considerably inE > >our technology infrastructure. For the last four quarters, we haveeG > >demonstrated greater than 99% uptime. During this period, the backupl systems # > >have performed without incident.m >,F > I don't have an exact date of their last "major" outage nor an exact figureL > for want is >99%; however, if you assume about mid-August and 99.5% that's* > still an awful large amount of downtime! >00 > ~500 days x 24 hrs/day x (1 - 99.5%) = 60 hrs. >:K > The question is how much greater than 99% and how much does eBay make (orc > lose) per hour?9 >7 > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > K > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named aftere them.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:33:11 +0100r= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>s, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again) Message-ID: <3A546D87.A3970877@gtech.com>T  
 Anders wrote:eJ > Well it has been dead for some time now, I wonder who will get the blame > this time.  < Maybe their machine-romm are too hot. Or have to much static electricity.B Or the humidity is wrong. Or the power floctates too much. Or ....   :-)e   SUN has lots of excuses !    Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 08:48:43 -0500 , From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler), Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again+ Message-ID: <WAhuFHFoKpCc@eisner.decus.org>,  i In article <3A546D87.A3970877@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:e > Anders wrote:sK >> Well it has been dead for some time now, I wonder who will get the blamer
 >> this time.o > > > Maybe their machine-romm are too hot. Or have to much static > electricity.D > Or the humidity is wrong. Or the power floctates too much. Or .... >   H It was the guy selling the antique watch.  Turns out it had radium paintG on the hands.  Cache memory chips started imagining the radiation hits.:  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation3= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying=   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:05:43 -0500o# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>e, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again+ Message-ID: <3A548337.4660B95D@hsc.vcu.edu>    Hey Mark, welcome back!!!!   I've missed you, man...e   Jimt   Mark Tarka wrote:  >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > [snip...]lR > > ==============================================================================R > > Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersR > > ============================================================================== > < > Hey!  Wait a minute!  Don't I get credit for inventing the8 > artificial anus?  Shit for brains has to go somewhere! > = >   Mark  (I should be leaving now, eventually...bye, bye :-)0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:14:57 +0000:- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>e, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again) Message-ID: <3A548561.81551D82@bbc.co.uk>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:& http://www2.ebay.com/aw/announce.shtml   >e >  User: aw@ebay.com >  Date: 01/04/01w >  Time: 01:49:20 PST. >a > *** Letter from Meg ***k >s >e >oM > The outage began at about 11:34 PT yesterday with a hardware failure on our*N > backup system. As we restarted the back-up system, another problem developedN > in the storage system shared by the primary and back-up systems, effectively > bringing down the site.t >a  L So, when is a backup system not a backup system? When its got shared storage and there is a storage problem.u   :-)   --f6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk_  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.g   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 09:28:59 -0500m* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young), Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again+ Message-ID: <nig1YypVwv7F@eisner.decus.org>   Y In article <3A548561.81551D82@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  >  >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:( > http://www2.ebay.com/aw/announce.shtml >  >> >>  User: aw@ebay.coma >>  Date: 01/04/01 >>  Time: 01:49:20 PST >> >> *** Letter from Meg *** >> >> >>N >> The outage began at about 11:34 PT yesterday with a hardware failure on ourO >> backup system. As we restarted the back-up system, another problem developed O >> in the storage system shared by the primary and back-up systems, effectivelye >> bringing down the site. >> > N > So, when is a backup system not a backup system? When its got shared storage! > and there is a storage problem.t >   D 	And you know what... it appears Meg is trying a bit of misdirection9 	OR she is suffering from even more bad storage problems.:A 	They had ample opportunity to fix their shared disk system since=0 	they had similar problems in August.  Meg says:    O Yesterday, the eBay site was unavailable to our users for almost 11 hours. This=L outage was the result of a series of failures that affected both our primaryH and backup systems. It was compounded by a decision we made to delay theK replacement of certain hardware components in an effort to avoid disrupting+M service during the busy holiday season. While we have known for awhile that agL potential problem existed in our shared disk hardware, we chose to delay theN recommended upgrade because we had developed a series of work-arounds that hadE previously proven effective. We apologize to you all for this lengthyt interruption of service.  > 	One of two things... this is a new disk system problem or the 	same one from August:      User: aw@ebay.com  Date: 08/23/00   Time: 05:45:49 PDTo,                          ***OUTAGE UPDATE***  M As mentioned earlier the eBay site was unavailable from 02:04 Pacific Time to + 04:15 Pacific Time on Wednesday, August 23.   I The reason for this outage was a failure in one the disk subsystems which O stores some of the eBay data. This system has a built-in redundancy designed to F kick in without user impact and has in the past successfully done so.   L When the redundancy of the disk system failed, we attempted to switch to ourK backup system. The redundancy issue also prevented us from switching to ouroJ secondary system. We then started the process of switching to our tertiaryO back-up system. During this time, our engineers resolved the original issue and  brought the site back up.   5 We are working with our vendor to resolve this issue.k  7 We apologize to all eBay users impacted by this outage.a  !                          Regards,h                          eBay-   ----  = 	Either way, seems silly.  You would think with the numerous n< 	UE10000 server problems they would have enough sense to get: 	reliable storage (Compaq is what I recommend).  But it is/ 	*awfully* hard to turn down free hardware, eh?e   				Rob.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:29:00 +0000a- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>u, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again) Message-ID: <3A5488AC.CDB99EAB@bbc.co.uk>e   Larry Kilgallen wrote:   >b >uL >         Well DUUUH.  Ms. Abyte is certainly forthright in her description,J >         but  "storage system shared by the primary and back-up systems"?3 >         Can you spell "Single Point of Failure" ?t  / Exactly. I couldn't believe that when I saw it.h  G Though I guess if your application trashes the database for some reason	1 no amount of mirroring or whatever will help you.	   >c > C >         It really does not matter that this rig is built with SungE >         gear (and maybe some EMC or other), the _design_principles_w& >         should be the same the same. >  >t  E Maybe someone should post Ebay a copy of "Building Dependable Systemse: with OpenVMS" or whatever that manual might be called now.     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk=  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofn MedAS or the BBC.:   ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:42:56 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again' Message-ID: <G6nFvL.A9z@spcuna.spc.edu>   ? Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@sendspamhere.org> writes:sM > I don't have an exact date of their last "major" outage nor an exact figure.L > for want is >99%; however, if you assume about mid-August and 99.5% that's* > still an awful large amount of downtime!  J   Also, there is an incredible amount of "scheduled maintenance" which hasG some or all of the site down for 4+ hours every week, and I'm sure theye- don't count that when reporting their uptime.n  I   Performance like this would get technical management canned at any old--K school company. But in a dot-com, you can get away with anything - at least  until there's competition...  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------    Date: 04 Jan 2001 19:49:41 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>1 Subject: Re: File system performance and securityt0 Message-ID: <87n1d77d0q.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  ) "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:e  K > A maxim that assumes technology stands still.  When your technology is asnJ > far out-of-date (albeit admirably maintained and executed) as VMS's fileM > system technology is, then you can pick all three if you're willing to take 9 > the one-time hit of updating it (and do the job right).p   Then sell it on E-bay.   Oh, sorry, I forgot... :|a   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.f@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:19:38 +0100h= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>y Subject: Re: Giving up on VMSe( Message-ID: <3A546A5A.F16271D@gtech.com>   Paul Sture wrote:e; > In article <92dca5$7or$1@pyrite.mv.net>, Bill Todd wrote:e9 > > Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message ' > > news:3A4A0484.B04D9C95@gtech.com... A > > > NT and VMS has no similarities for application programmers.s > >oK > > Incorrect.  NT has significantly more 'cultural compatibility' with VMSpP > > than, say, a Unix does - e.g., things like event flags and asynchronous fileP > > I/O (the list is a lot longer, but I'm kind of busy today).  As a result, NTP > > has been relatively easy for me to approach when I've had to write user-mode3 > > code for it (kernel code too, for that matter).f > >vM > I agree. I'm reminded of an article in one of the NT magazines about memoryuP > management (circa mid 1997), in which so much of the terminology came straightO > from the VMS manuals. I felt I could have given a course on the subject aftere > reading that...h > O > Again, in user mode programming (mainly command line utilities) I often foundhL > myself thinking "What would I call in VMS to do that?", then search for anH > appropriately named routine, and hey presto, that routine had the same# > parameters as its VMS equivalent.t > M > Of course, none of the routine names were the same, and extra functionalityrO > was incorporated where appropriate (e.g. threaded processes), but writing thenG > equivalent of something like SHOW SYSTEM was easy if I "thought VMS".r   ????   That is not my experience.  	 Examples:o   Win32 : LoadLibraryo   VMS   : LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOLe     Win32 : GetDiskFreeSpace!   VMS   : LIB$GETDVI / SYS$GETDVIs  +   Win32 : GetFileAttribute/SetFileAttributet   VMS   : SYS$QIO(W)  6 Could you give examples of something that is similar ?   Arne   ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:05:03 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: Giving up on VMSd' Message-ID: <G6MJKF.B10@spcuna.spc.edu>o   heimann@ecs.umass.edu writes:pI > Well, even good UPS systems fail.  So the stronger file system will get J > your system back up and running a greater percentage of the time.  ThereI > is a UPS box in back here right now that failed when a capacitor in itsgH > control circuitry burned.  The Unix system attached came back up afterH > this, but one user filesystem had to be restored from backups.  It wasI > too damaged to recover on disk.  Short of outright failure of a disk, Im, > have never had to do that on a VMS system.  K   FWIW, I have a very large number (I've got over 150 licenses, for an ideatL of the value of "large") of Unix systems here (BSDI's BSD/OS) and I've neverJ had a filesystem corruption issue*. This is using the standard 4.4BSD-and-H later filesystem with soft updates enabled. On a normal shutdown/reboot,K fsck doesn't run as the filesystems are marked as clean. If there's a crashuI or power failure, fsck runs, just as VMS rebuilds on mount. It's possiblekG to create pathological cases for both VMS and Unix filesystems (I had ahJ rather well-known SPR of a user-mode, non-priv'd program that could make aE VMS filesystem sit in rebuild state *forever*; it's since been fixed.u  I   All Unix and Unix-like systems are not equal in this respect, however -sL I've seen FreeBSD and Linux filesystems get totally trashed, though the bugs+ that caused this may have since been fixed.=  M * Note: "Never" is with a couple exceptions: 1) I do disk driver development,sJ and if I screw up the disk driver, all bets are off. 2) I had some serversJ that I ran in pure async mode with a 512MB writeback cache for performanceJ reasons (volatile data) and crashes there did indeed trash the filesystem.K But it was done on purpose, and I later changed the startup script to newfsS? (init, for you VMS-only types 8-) the filesystem on every boot.l  K   Oh, and I do run long SCSI buses w/ Ultra and LVD controllers, and I have1M tagged queueing enabled for all my disk devices, so this isn't a case of "VMS.' is using hardware features Unix isn't".s  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAf   ------------------------------    Date: 04 Jan 2001 19:13:16 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Happy New Years0 Message-ID: <87snmz7epf.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:i  N > devised, and the 100 degree mark at what is about the human body temperature  > according to one encyclopedia.  = Rectal temp of Deer or Reindeer from high school time memory.9 Apply NaCl to tasteB   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:50:44 -0600o@ From: Brenda Westergren Deimerly <bmwester@collins.rockwell.com>? Subject: Last version of OpenVMS supported by OSMS? - with texte4 Message-ID: <3A548DC3.176AFF5F@collins.rockwell.com>  ? Sorry about that first message.  Here's what I meant to send...   F We were running OSMS.  We upgraded our cluster from OpenVMS 6.2 to 7.1 over theH holiday, and now the WDA devices show up as "offline."  I know we should haveD switched to U.S. Design's OSS, but it wasn't entirely my decision to make.   C U.S. Design's news release made a vague reference to needing OSS tom "...upgrade0E to new versions of the operating system..." I suspect that my problem. may beE that OpenVMS 7.1 is one of those "new versions."  However, since manyI otherlE things could have changed since the last time we rebooted over a year" ago, IE thought I'd see if anyone else can confirm whether or not OSMS shouldu work onu OpenVMS 7.1.   Thank you for your responses,  Brenda Westergrenr VMS/NT Support  G If there's a better forum for this question, please let me know what itD mighth be.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 12:26:11 +0000o7 From: Lothar Geyer <Lothar.Geyer@EDV-Berater-Online.de>n  Subject: Pathworks error message5 Message-ID: <3A546BE3.121F58F0@EDV-Berater-Online.de>t  " Well, I'm not sure it's Pathworks:  D NET3055: A problem exists with the system configuration. There is no7 account for this machine in the user accounts database.   F This message appears when I reboot a VAX running Pathworks 5.0F and is also displayed at my PC.  9 What configuration file is wrong? How to fix the problem?e   Lothar Geyer   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:38:43 +0100a= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>?/ Subject: Re: Sending messages to an application:) Message-ID: <3A546ED3.4265F948@gtech.com>D   JF Mezei wrote:7L > Most GUI platforms, even my old trusted PSION 3 (not actuall a GUI) have aP > mechanism whereas one application can send a message to another application toN > tell it to open/close a file. (or start that application with a file to open > by default). > L > For instance, while reading an email, you can view an attachement with theN > proper application, and if the application is already started, it just opens@ > the new file, thus providing much faster service to the user). > O > VMS , as an OS, doesn't have that built-in. But does X-windows have this typee > of feature ?  E I think you are asking about a feature like DDE on Windows, where onet appbE can send commands to another app and retrive output from that commandi as well.  - I have never seen such functionality for VMS.o  B It would not be difficult to create a customized solution. Server: createB thraed that listen to a server socket, read and processes commands	 received,tE send back response. Client: open socket, send command, read response.n  F But stuff like this is most  usefull, if all applicatiosn use the same standard. Like DDE on Windows.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:13:28 +0000 7 From: Lothar Geyer <Lothar.Geyer@EDV-Berater-Online.de> / Subject: Re: Sending messages to an application=5 Message-ID: <3A549318.DA4EB3BA@EDV-Berater-Online.de>   H There is some stuff to communicate between processes - even on differentD nodes: it was developped by DEC and is now owned by BEA. The productH name was DECmessageQ and is now BEA MessageQ. I use this with almost allG software, where data loss is critical and where I need flexibility with= the hardware configuration.=   Lothar Geyer   Arne Vajhj schrieb: >  > JF Mezei wrote: N > > Most GUI platforms, even my old trusted PSION 3 (not actuall a GUI) have aR > > mechanism whereas one application can send a message to another application toP > > tell it to open/close a file. (or start that application with a file to open > > by default). > >!N > > For instance, while reading an email, you can view an attachement with theP > > proper application, and if the application is already started, it just opensB > > the new file, thus providing much faster service to the user). > >aQ > > VMS , as an OS, doesn't have that built-in. But does X-windows have this typew > > of feature ? > G > I think you are asking about a feature like DDE on Windows, where one  > appaG > can send commands to another app and retrive output from that command3
 > as well. > / > I have never seen such functionality for VMS.A > D > It would not be difficult to create a customized solution. Server: > createD > thraed that listen to a server socket, read and processes commands > received,tG > send back response. Client: open socket, send command, read response.r > H > But stuff like this is most  usefull, if all applicatiosn use the same  > standard. Like DDE on Windows. >  > Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:59:10 +0000m- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> / Subject: Re: Sending messages to an applicatione( Message-ID: <3A548FBE.9F40066@bbc.co.uk>   Lothar Geyer wrote:e  J > There is some stuff to communicate between processes - even on differentF > nodes: it was developped by DEC and is now owned by BEA. The productJ > name was DECmessageQ and is now BEA MessageQ. I use this with almost allI > software, where data loss is critical and where I need flexibility with/ > the hardware configuration.l >   G Hey, you don't need VMS if data loss is critical, NT or unix is fine:-)>  E Apologies for picking at your english grammar, I couldn't resist this:	 one time.r --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uks  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofi MedAS or the BBC.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:24:20 +0100o= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>b2 Subject: Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor) Message-ID: <3A546B74.A80A1B00@gtech.com>    Headman wrote:L > Can anyone direct me to the source code for the unsupported EDT editor for > AXP?   Is EDT unsupported ????w   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 08:52:22 -0500 , From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)2 Subject: Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor+ Message-ID: <M0a5E+sBmp5d@eisner.decus.org>f  i In article <3A546B74.A80A1B00@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:  > Headman wrote:M >> Can anyone direct me to the source code for the unsupported EDT editor for  >> AXP?t >  > Is EDT unsupported ????  >   F The SPD for VMS 7.2-1 says it's supported.  The came up on comp.os.vms several weeks ago.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation:= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupoE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingt   ------------------------------    Date: 04 Jan 2001 19:09:15 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>2 Subject: Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor0 Message-ID: <87wvcb7ew4.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  & "Headman" <headman@ticnet.com> writes:  M >     I thank all that responded.  Is there an older version of the source cdnK > that some one would be either willing to loan for a week or ten days?  OrkL > could be privately mounted over the internet?  Again just the EDT sources?  C I suspect not... Plus, you DO have a BLISS compiller for you target  system?y   -- u< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:01:05 -0500s# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>o2 Subject: Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor+ Message-ID: <3A548221.11D10EFC@hsc.vcu.edu>w  5 Are you looking for Anker-Berg Sonne's SEDT editor???n  R His page is still up, i have the url (somewhere....) but not handy at the moment..   jim1   Headman wrote: > M >     I thank all that responded.  Is there an older version of the source cdtK > that some one would be either willing to loan for a week or ten days?  Or L > could be privately mounted over the internet?  Again just the EDT sources?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:53:13 -0500s# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>n2 Subject: Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor+ Message-ID: <3A549C69.19EA442D@hsc.vcu.edu>    As promised, the URL for the SEDT editor, but it is NOT public domain, but freeware.  It does seem at first cusrsory glance to bea GPL..s   Jimt    L >I remember SEDT with early Pathworks (DECnet DOS?).  Was that non-standard?  K Yes. SEDT was a product of Anker Berg-Sonne and used to run on DOS-PCs, VMSa	 and more.   H It seems dead for a couple of years now (and unfortunately didn't become public domain at the end).  4         http://www.ultranet.com/~anker/sedt/sedt.htm   -- m< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888.< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   Jim Agnew wrote: > 7 > Are you looking for Anker-Berg Sonne's SEDT editor???c > T > His page is still up, i have the url (somewhere....) but not handy at the moment.. >  > jimg >  > Headman wrote: > >mO > >     I thank all that responded.  Is there an older version of the source cd M > > that some one would be either willing to loan for a week or ten days?  OrnN > > could be privately mounted over the internet?  Again just the EDT sources?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 16:17:34 GMTl2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor6 Message-ID: <9327mu$rft$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  i In article <3A546B74.A80A1B00@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:n :Headman wrote:tM :> Can anyone direct me to the source code for the unsupported EDT editor for@ :> AXP?  :  :Is EDT unsupported ????  H   Having just had this discussion, the folks here in OpenVMS EngineeringG   still believe that EDT is supported, though a recommendation to move mH   to EVE/TPU has been made.  (See the circa V6.1 new features manual...)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:54:41 -0500p# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>k2 Subject: Re: Source Code to Unsupported EDT Editor+ Message-ID: <3A54AAD1.39D72BC1@hsc.vcu.edu>o  ; hhmm.. i'd thought that decision had been made oh, in v5???  ;-)    jimC   Hoff Hoffman wrote:9 > k > In article <3A546B74.A80A1B00@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:  > :Headman wrote:-O > :> Can anyone direct me to the source code for the unsupported EDT editor for 	 > :> AXP?3 > :0 > :Is EDT unsupported ???? > J >   Having just had this discussion, the folks here in OpenVMS EngineeringH >   still believe that EDT is supported, though a recommendation to moveJ >   to EVE/TPU has been made.  (See the circa V6.1 new features manual...) > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:10:35 GMTU1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>r Subject: Re: Source dor TSM021?a2 Message-ID: <3A54A18F.3725EADB@clarityconnect.com>  F Usually this is a problem with the FTP client, in this case Netscape. ' I'm assuming that you tried doing a SEToG FILE/ATTR=(ORG:SEQ,RFM:FIX,LRL:512) on the file.  Do you have access ton3 another browser that you can try the download with?(  9 "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" wrote:a > 6 > In article <KoL46.112962$Z2.1315210@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,9 >         "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes:, > [...]m > >>     source for TSM021?n > >>...i > >s+ > > Try http://www.dnpg.com/dr/npg/tsm.htmll > J >         No joy. :-(  On  downloading  the  files  (with Netscape 3.03 onD >     VMS), then RUNning the DCX_AXPEXE (or DCX_VAXEXE) file, I get: > E > -------------------------------------------------------------------x > ...c8 > Decompressing (press Ctrl-T to watch the evolution)...' >         Creating decompressed file...iG >         Original file specification: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]TSM021.SAV;1?R >         Decompressed file specification: DISK$SCRATCH:[SCRATCH.FAIRFIELD]TSM021. > SAV;1E2 > %FTSV-W-COMP_DECOMPERR, fatal decompressor error > -DCX-W-TRUNC, data truncatedE > -------------------------------------------------------------------o > J >         I've  just  written  to  the  webmaster  at  DNPG  but  I'm  notJ >     particularly  hopeful.  Seems the files get downloaded as  Stream-LFJ >     files rather than in binary, fixed 512 byte record files.  Is this aJ >     web server problem on their end, or a Netscape problem on my end?  IC >     don't know.  What I'd give for anonymous ftp at this point...n > J >         If anyone out there  has  copies  of  the TSM021 savesets or DCXJ >     files,  at  least  for  Alpha VMS if not both,  and  can  make  them; >     available, I'd be most appreciative and in your debt!  >  >         -Ken > --O >  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edug< >  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924< >  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515P >  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------D >  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:38:37 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: Source dor TSM021? ' Message-ID: <G6nFoD.9y8@spcuna.spc.edu>   V Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515 <Fairfield@slac.stanford.edu> writes:J >         No joy. :-(  On  downloading  the  files  (with Netscape 3.03 onD >     VMS), then RUNning the DCX_AXPEXE (or DCX_VAXEXE) file, I get: [snip]J >         I've  just  written  to  the  webmaster  at  DNPG  but  I'm  notJ >     particularly  hopeful.  Seems the files get downloaded as  Stream-LFJ >     files rather than in binary, fixed 512 byte record files.  Is this aJ >     web server problem on their end, or a Netscape problem on my end?  IC >     don't know.  What I'd give for anonymous ftp at this point...e  K   Looks like the Digital curse of screwing up their web presence has propa-iJ gated itself to the folks at DNPG. Their web server doesn't recognize the J .DCX_AXPEXE file type as binary, so it sents it as text (which is why the F file displays in Lynx rather than offering save-as). It looks like theI mangling is happening at the server side, since none of a PC client, Lynxm. on VMS or Lynx on Unix can get a working file.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAj   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:41:35 +0100% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>.4 Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm.. Message-ID: <931cvv$f86$1@info.service.rug.nl>  A "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message =g/ news:92t297$sr$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com...- >=20? > In article <92simp$ai$1@info.service.rug.nl>, "Fred Zwarts" =0 <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> writes: H > :I would like an small improvement for DECterm, to make it easier to = =3Da > :locate the user.  > :lH > :It would be a lot easier if the ACCPORNAM attribute of the FTA deviceC > :would be defined as the properties of the corresponding DISPLAY.eA > :E.g.:    "TCPIP/KVIX04.KVI.NL:0.0", or "DECNET/KVIX01:0.0", ort > :"LAT/KVIX02:0.0". > :eH > :In this way it would be much easier to locate a user, in particular = if> > :he logged in with XDM from a (possibly distant) X-terminal. >=20F >   This isn't specifically DECterm involved here, as ACCPORNAM is a = construct=20E >   of the underlying terminal support and operates across most any =g terminal=20iJ >   device, and as the X Windows display specification is a construct of = the=20C >   X Windows transport in use and operates across any DECwindows =e application.  B I know. But why is the ACCPORNAM not used (empty) for DECterms?=20B All other terminal have there some information to locate the user.E Why isn't the FTAn: terminal created with a ACCPORNAM? I assumed that'C the process creating the FTAn: device knows about the correspondinguC WSAn: device and should be able to set the ACCPORNAM to something =  useful.p   >=20' >   If you have the DECwindows WSAn:=20o  C How do I get the WSAn: device given the FTAn: device? That is the =- problem.J I see a user doing something strange (consuming a lot op cpu, generating = a=20H lot of audit messages, etc.). It is easy to find his FTAn: device. But = in=20EF order to contact him, I need his location. The FTAn: device does not =	 give a=20eG clue. I would also be happy with the ACCPORNAM being set to the WSAn: =e device name.c  J >                                      workstation pseudo-device name -- = the F >   device name can usually be acquired via the DECW$DISPLAY logical = name --t> >   you can acquire the transport information.  SHOW DISPLAY = [/SYMBOL][/FULL],=20H >   as well as the undocumented $qio interface -- examples of both are =	 in the=20uC >   SRH_EXAMPLES area of the OpenVMS Freeware website.  The WSAu: =. workstation=20D >   pseudo-device probably contains the information that you seek...  F Yes. But again, how to find the correct WSAu: device given the FTAn: = device?s   >=20J >   I'm somewhat hesitant to accept changes to the ACCPORNAM display, as = therewI >   are folks that have already had application problems due to changes =a (or=201 >   the errant omission of data) in that field...i  I I don't think applications will have problems as the ACCPORNAM field is = 	 currentlyi' not used at all (is empty) for DECterm.    >=20- >   If I understand the question correctly...X >=20 > -- >=20F >   I'd have to see how this ties in with XDM that is present in the =	 TCP/IP=20sD >   Services field test, but I'd expect it to use the DECW$DISPLAY =
 mechanism. >=20 >=206 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion = --------------------------- 5 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   =d hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:44:59 +0100c5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>i4 Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm.- Message-ID: <3A54461B.FE6C3DFD@whitehouse.nl>-   Fred Zwarts wrote:  L > How do I get the WSAn: device given the FTAn: device? That is the problem.L > I see a user doing something strange (consuming a lot op cpu, generating aK > lot of audit messages, etc.). It is easy to find his FTAn: device. But incM > order to contact him, I need his location. The FTAn: device does not give aEN > clue. I would also be happy with the ACCPORNAM being set to the WSAn: device > name.s  < This user should own a second process, called something likeC DECW$TE_0126, this process should have been created just before hish@ normal interactive process. And this process is the owner of theG associated BG device. With UCX you can look at this device to determine 2 the IP address of the other end of the connection.   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:16:19 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 4 Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm.0 Message-ID: <009F599E.51265905@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <931cvv$f86$1@info.service.rug.nl>, "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> writes:B >"Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message =0 >news:92t297$sr$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >>=20 @ >> In article <92simp$ai$1@info.service.rug.nl>, "Fred Zwarts" = ><F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> writes:I >> :I would like an small improvement for DECterm, to make it easier to =  >=3D >> :locate the user. >> :I >> :It would be a lot easier if the ACCPORNAM attribute of the FTA devicetD >> :would be defined as the properties of the corresponding DISPLAY.B >> :E.g.:    "TCPIP/KVIX04.KVI.NL:0.0", or "DECNET/KVIX01:0.0", or >> :"LAT/KVIX02:0.0".n >> :I >> :In this way it would be much easier to locate a user, in particular =s >if ? >> :he logged in with XDM from a (possibly distant) X-terminal.- >>=20-G >>   This isn't specifically DECterm involved here, as ACCPORNAM is a =l
 >construct=20lF >>   of the underlying terminal support and operates across most any = >terminal=20K >>   device, and as the X Windows display specification is a construct of =u >the=20tD >>   X Windows transport in use and operates across any DECwindows =
 >application.d > C >I know. But why is the ACCPORNAM not used (empty) for DECterms?=20sC >All other terminal have there some information to locate the user.hF >Why isn't the FTAn: terminal created with a ACCPORNAM? I assumed that  D Because, for one, it doesn't support the ACCPORNAM field.  I do have? some code which will "extend" this capability to the FT device.t  D >the process creating the FTAn: device knows about the correspondingD >WSAn: device and should be able to set the ACCPORNAM to something = >useful. >u >>=20 ( >>   If you have the DECwindows WSAn:=20 > D >How do I get the WSAn: device given the FTAn: device? That is the =	 >problem.-  C UCB$L_PID(FTAn_UCB) -> IPID -> PCB -> PCB$L_JIB(PCB) -> JIB addressr  > SHOW LOGICAL/TABLE=LNM$JOB_{JIB address} DECW$DISPLAY -> WSAn:      K >I see a user doing something strange (consuming a lot op cpu, generating =h >a=20 I >lot of audit messages, etc.). It is easy to find his FTAn: device. But =r >in=20G >order to contact him, I need his location. The FTAn: device does not =-
 >give a=20H >clue. I would also be happy with the ACCPORNAM being set to the WSAn: = >device) >name.  H How much for me to conjure this up for you???  $$$, good single malt, orI cases of Samual Smith Oatmeal Stout are all acceptable forms of compensa-- tion.h   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            eO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:17:38 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>-4 Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm.) Message-ID: <3A548602.6DD1CA48@bbc.co.uk>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:   G > In article <92vrfb$g8p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, yyygac2@my-deja.com writes:  >  > $ > :The stumbling block to just doingI > :this blindly is that the icon text is not swallowed if the end displayrI > :device is not a DECterm and doesn't understand the escape sequence andu. > :as a result is visible in the DCL prompt... >pL >   I'd consider this description to indicate a bug exists in the particularL >   terminal emulator or hardware terminal in use -- terminals are generallyG >   expected to quietly swallow any unrecognized but correctly-formatedeH >   ANSI sequences.  The last terminal that I can recall that did not doM >   this was an antique Tektronix 40xx series tube -- all of the ANSI-capable-J >   VT series terminals will quietly process unsupported escape sequences,( >   unless emulating an antique display.  I Yup, my login.com spits out OSC strings to set the DECTerm title bar, andCM when I login using Reflections 7 instead of DecWindows I don't see any excessaI garbage on my screen or in the prompt. I wonder if the original poster is Q using C:\Windows\Telnet.exe, which is barely classifiable as a terminal emulator?h  --u6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukt  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofo MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 15:29:56 GMTs8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)4 Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm.6 Message-ID: <9324tk$r18$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  E The following kludge is undoubtedly incomplete and imperfect, but it DD is in my LOGIN.COM and seems to work.  Offered for what it is worth.& [actually modified a bit for clarity.]   .." $ IF F$GETDVI("SYS$COMMAND","TRM") $ THENA $     DEVNAM = F$GETDVI("SYS$COMMAND","TT_PHYDEVNAM") - "_" - "_"w$ $     DEVNAM = F$EXTRACE(0,2,DEVNAM)/ $     IF DEVNAM .EQS. "WT" THEN GOTO IS_DECTERMf/ $     IF DEVNAM .EQS. "TW" THEN GOTO IS_DECTERMa/ $     IF DEVNAM .EQS. "FT" THEN GOTO IS_DECTERMr/ $     IF DEVNAM .EQS. "RT" THEN GOTO IS_DECTERMm0 $     IF DEVNAM .EQS. "TN" THEN GOTO IS_DECTERM  $ ENDIFs $ GOTO NOT_DECTERM ..   -- LK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAmH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:33:30 +0000e7 From: Lothar Geyer <Lothar.Geyer@EDV-Berater-Online.de> 1 Subject: Re: using a multihead XP1000 workstationo5 Message-ID: <3A54517A.2A5688D9@EDV-Berater-Online.de>   - I have some more information on this problem.r  B As I have to skip the login procedure of DECwindows I modified the6 startup files: instead of starting DECWLOGINOUT.EXE inE DECW$STARTAPPS.COM I start DECW$STARTSM.COM, which would be the first-B step after a normal login. Trying to connect to the display server
 results in  + Xlib: connection to WSAn: refused by servero3 Xlib: client is not authorized to connect to server$ Can't open display  H The documentation says that DECE$LOGINOUT.EXE modifies the security listH to allow connections to the server. Which security list is that? How can* I modify this? Which values shoudl be set?  E The docs also mention a DECW$WAITFORSM. I do not understand what thisi process does. Any hints?     Lothar Geyer   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:18:57 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>e1 Subject: Re: using a multihead XP1000 workstation-, Message-ID: <932esf$9nh6$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  J If you try to do this without first logging in a session, then you have noG host list to validate against.  Only connections from the local system,0A using the local transport will work.  You can place a file in theuL sys$manager account: decw$server_access_allowed.dat (it's been a long time -L I think that's the name) which has a host list in it, that will be used as a9 fallback.  The format is the same as the security setup::<   protocol hostname username   In plain ASCII format.    J Lothar Geyer wrote in message <3A54517A.2A5688D9@EDV-Berater-Online.de>.... >I have some more information on this problem. >iC >As I have to skip the login procedure of DECwindows I modified theg7 >startup files: instead of starting DECWLOGINOUT.EXE innF >DECW$STARTAPPS.COM I start DECW$STARTSM.COM, which would be the firstC >step after a normal login. Trying to connect to the display serveru >results in) > , >Xlib: connection to WSAn: refused by server4 >Xlib: client is not authorized to connect to server >Can't open display  >iI >The documentation says that DECE$LOGINOUT.EXE modifies the security listaI >to allow connections to the server. Which security list is that? How cann+ >I modify this? Which values shoudl be set?  >sF >The docs also mention a DECW$WAITFORSM. I do not understand what this >process does. Any hints?  >s >s
 >Lothar Geyer'   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2001 16:12:25 GMTL2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: voor de belgische Alpha gebruikers 6 Message-ID: <9327d9$rft$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  H In article <3A539BEE.519258AC@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  F :Do we have to assume you can understand Dutch ?? (miracles do happen)  L   Ich verstehe das Deutsche.  Ein wenig.  Ich sprechen keine Niederlandisch.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:20:30 -0800o! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.come/ Subject: Re: voor de belgische Alpha gebruikersiD Message-ID: <OFFB0B8EB5.16FCFFFF-ON882569CA.0064B152@foundation.com>  K Oh great. Now it's only a matter of time before someone posts in Klingon...I   ShaneM          F hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) on 01/04/2001 08:12:25 AM  / Please respond to hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam-   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- cc:   0 Subject:  Re: voor de belgische Alpha gebruikers      H In article <3A539BEE.519258AC@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  F :Do we have to assume you can understand Dutch ?? (miracles do happen)  <   Ich verstehe das Deutsche.  Ein wenig.  Ich sprechen keine Niederlandisch.o  2  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------t/    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringi hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:38:39 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>/ Subject: Re: voor de belgische Alpha gebruikers , Message-ID: <932fvc$1280@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  . <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in message> news:OFFB0B8EB5.16FCFFFF-ON882569CA.0064B152@foundation.com... >CM > Oh great. Now it's only a matter of time before someone posts in Klingon...-   lu'-   ------------------------------    Date: 04 Jan 2001 20:00:33 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: XSTAT OPCOM From Bind3 Message-ID: <87itnv7cim.fsf_-_@k9.prep.synonet.com>o  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  e > In article <978507287.721418@news.puk.ac.za>, "Phillip du Plooy" <itbpjdp@puknet.puk.ac.za> writes: O > :I get this opcom messages a few times a day on my ES40 running OpenVMS 7.2-1j$ > :What is it and what should I do ? > .. > K >   This appears to be some sort of a name service (BIND) message, probablyaJ >   from Multinet.  Check the Multinet manuals (or whatever IP stack is inL >   use on this OpenVMS box) and see if you can somehow disable the message - >   generation, if the messages bother you...'  > It is from Bind. Normal summary report that it generates every/ < configurable > and sends to < configurable >.o  + Worry if it does NOT appear when it is due.    -- r< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.008 ************************