0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 06 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 12      Contents:4 %BACKUP-F-POSITERR -SYSTEM-F-IVDENS, invalid density Re: ABS for Enterprise Backup P Re: APACHE (CSWS) + MOD_PERL = No private process logicals definablein LOGIN.COM  Re: AQUARIUM OWNERS READ THIS!!!4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionF Re: DCL Temp Files Was: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN commandF Re: DCL Temp Files Was: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN commandF Re: DCL Temp Files Was: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN commandF Re: DCL Temp Files Was: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN command2 RE: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN command/ Re: eBay *desperately* needs TWO backup systems # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again  Re: Giving up on VMS Re: Happy New Years  Re: Source dor TSM021? Re: Source dor TSM021? Re: SSH for VMS? Re: SSH for VMS? Re: SSH for VMS?+ Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm. + Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2001 17:21:10 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)= Subject: %BACKUP-F-POSITERR -SYSTEM-F-IVDENS, invalid density . Message-ID: <937k66$cj7$1@info.service.rug.nl>  I I have VMS 7.2-1 with all patches installed on an AlphaStation 255/233.   I I have a TLZ06-VA DAT drive loaded with a DDS1 tape in a BA356 (not sure  I of the number; it's the common pizza box).  The drive is TMSCP served by  H a VAXstation 4000/60 with VMS 7.2 (again, all patches installed).  I am  puzzled over these errors:    H %BACKUP-F-POSITERR, error positioning _ELIJAH$MKA500:[000000]010105.BCK;! -SYSTEM-F-IVDENS, invalid density   ( This comes from a BACKUP/REWIND command.  H Any idea what could cause this error?  It occurs whether or not /REWIND G is specified with BACKUP and whether or not /DENSITY=DDS1 is specified.   C Is it possible that the error would not be there if the drive were  F connected directly to the ALPHA instead of the VAX (I can't test this  right now)?   G Replies by email will be appreciated.  I have been a regular reader and F contributor to the group for years, but don't have good access to newsC at the moment due to a change of job.  (The new job is in a BIG VMS F shop, so that's something good---I might miss solving my own hardware 8 problems though but hey, what are hobbyist systems for?)     --  M Phillip Helbig                       Email .............. helbig@astro.rug.nl M Kapteyn Instituut                    Email ................. helbig@man.ac.uk M Rijksuniversiteit Groningen          Tel. ................... +31 50 363 6647 M Postbus 800                          Fax .................... +31 50 363 6100 M NL-9700 AV Groningen                 Web ... http://www.astro.rug.nl/~helbig/   5 My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.    ------------------------------    Date: 06 Jan 2001 19:17:30 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>& Subject: Re: ABS for Enterprise Backup0 Message-ID: <87itnt2alx.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>   waybright@my-deja.com writes:   H > How does ABS deal with VMS image backups, RDB backups, Oracle Backups?  B It uses backup/ima for image, backup for non-image. The RDB backupA utility is used for RDB databases, And I guess you configure what " ever Oribble uses to back them up.  ? > Does ABS only use the Compaq IP stack?  Will it use Multinet?   > The IP stacks are meant to have a common call interface now... Should use what ever is there.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Jan 2001 19:57:47 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>Y Subject: Re: APACHE (CSWS) + MOD_PERL = No private process logicals definablein LOGIN.COM 0 Message-ID: <8766js3nb8.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  , "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> writes:  < > # 3) Is the process logical table readable by the user the# > # process ultimately  ends up as?  >  > Yes.  5 What about the JOB table? Is it running out of quota?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 12:40:23 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>) Subject: Re: AQUARIUM OWNERS READ THIS!!! + Message-ID: <VA.0000020c.3a38a1f9@sture.ch>    In article  G <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA24011201C@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>, John   Macallister wrote: >  > C > It's generally a bad idea to share the same water amongst a large F > number of tanks as disease, or any other form of contamination wouldF > spread rapidly. It's rather like having all your computing resources? > in one cluster and attaching all disks to a single interface.  >  >     Brilliant and highly topical :-)   ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2001 16:28:16 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution , Message-ID: <937h30$2j88$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  & In article <G6q4BH.Ju8@world.std.com>,:  moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:2 |> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: |>  R |> >I can see Intel asking Compaq to maintain Alpha. Without Alpha, Intel would beP |> >next under the scrutiny of anti-trust regulators. And if Compaq were to pullN |> >the plug on VMS, it isn't so much the loss of VMS but rather the fact thatZ |> >Compaq would be killing a competitor in favour of concentrating on Microsoft products. |>  ? |> There's another reason - VMS runs all of Intel's fab plants!   = Yes, but not on Alphas and undoubtedly not a current release.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:49:05 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution , Message-ID: <3A576896.9BDBA8C2@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: H > Yeah, and there's the little matter of VMS being a multibillion-dollar9 > business characterized by very generous profit margins.   J I keep hearing this over and over again. But if VMS truly was such a greatH product that provided Compaq with much more otential profit than sellingF wintel boxes, we wouldn't be begging Compaq to advertise and save VMS.  K VMS built Digital into the second biggest computer maker back in the 1980s. M But it has gone way down since then, and my feeling is that while "sales" may K be going back up, I am not sure that Compaq would be willing to release the J rate of loss of VMS sites is nor what the expectations in the coming years are.    N For instance,  SWIFT won't be supporting VMS anymore, so Compaq will have lostK all its SWIFT customers currently on VMS before the end of 2002. There goes L Compaq's claim that VMS was a key platform for international funds tranfers.K Will those few new sales compensate for the complete loss of a VMS market ?   K So, if Compaq look at the projections of customers who know will be dumping I VMS soon (or are in the process of dumping it), it may conclude it is not  worth  any advertising efforts.    > And a business that C > drives the sale of plenty of high-margin, high-end Alpha systems.   L Funny, when Wildfire was launched, VMS was barely mentioned. If it generatesI so much profit, shouldn't Capellas have mentioned this to the Wall Street K audience and outlined how the Wildfire, combined with galaxy, will make VMS K much more attractive and since VMS is a key product to Compaq due to higher N yields and loyal customers, this will do a lot of good to Compaq's financials.  H NO ! They went on anout how Compaq had acheived some special status withH Oracle for the True64 and how Tru64 woudl benefit from Wildfire etc etc.  	 > Pulling L > the plug on Alpha and/or VMS would ensure one thing: a mass migration of aK > large installed base into the open arms of Scott, Lou, Carley, Mickie, or L > some other competitor. And there's the little matter of DII-COE as well...  M There is a difference between pulling the plug and letting it go into a coma. L DII-COE does't state that the system must remain competitive. And DII-CEO isG meaningless to the vast majority of customers. For those to whom it has N meaning (I suspect only the military), they probably can afford to pay for VMSU by themselves (eg: price VMS  so that the military alone can sustain its maintenace).    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2001 07:37:54 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) O Subject: Re: DCL Temp Files Was: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN command 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-etrhqMZlR8J0@localhost>   D On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:41:53, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  wrote:  6 > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: >  > $ > How about a wish list item for DCL > . >              $open/write/temporary/delete... > 9 > Open an file for tempory use, deleting it when the .com 1 > exits. Like a open tmp and mark for delete QIO.   : One thing I missed on VMS after moving from RSX11-M was :-   @justmade /del  F This executed a CMD file JUSTMADE.CMS (RSX equiv of a VMS .COM for theE youngsters :-)) and then deleted it. Saved having to worry about DEL   or even PIP /DE afterwards.     Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2001 09:02:27 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) O Subject: Re: DCL Temp Files Was: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN command 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-dzZbL0mvibfg@localhost>   5 On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:02:07, "Jean-Franois Marchal"  ' <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:    >  > ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message / > news:87pui24ypa.fsf_-_@k9.prep.synonet.com... 8 > > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: > >  > > & > > How about a wish list item for DCL > > 0 > >              $open/write/temporary/delete... >  > # > I would prefer $ close/delete ...   A Could do both and there are god reasons for doing so as Gottfryd  B points out. I would have thought it relatively easy to do anyway, F isn't it analogous to the HOL DISPOSE=DELETE keyword which IRC  fills A in a field in the FAB? I had an RMS manual at home but it is not   visible at the minute.   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Jan 2001 19:06:11 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>O Subject: Re: DCL Temp Files Was: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN command 0 Message-ID: <87n1d52b4s.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  @ "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> writes:  ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message / > news:87pui24ypa.fsf_-_@k9.prep.synonet.com... 8 > > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:& > > How about a wish list item for DCL0 > >              $open/write/temporary/delete...# > I would prefer $ close/delete ...   = Yes, that to. But the open/delete does no need for you to get + to the close for the file to be cleaned up.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:55:39 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>O Subject: Re: DCL Temp Files Was: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN command + Message-ID: <VA.00000213.3b5944df@sture.ch>   K In article <933usi$ph5$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>, Jean-Franois Marchal wrote: @ > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Q > Subject: Re: DCL Temp Files Was: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN command & > Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:02:07 +0100 >  >  > ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message / > news:87pui24ypa.fsf_-_@k9.prep.synonet.com... 8 > > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: > >  > > & > > How about a wish list item for DCL > > 0 > >              $open/write/temporary/delete... > C I don't see any use for this combination. open/read/delete maybe...   N OTOH, if we are going to do the work for setting the delete flag, why not the  other flags too?  P I _can_ see the benefit of open/write/print/delete and open/write/submit/delete.   > # > I would prefer $ close/delete ...  > I Yes, ideally in addition to open/delete, especially for error processing.   * $ close /[no]print /[no]delete /[no]submit  P would give the ability to override the open options according to the logic flow.  Q OTOH, there's a neat trick here, available today. I originally found it in early  7 versions of SHUTDOWN.COM, so took it to be supported. *   ? $! XXYYZZ.COM - demonstration of deleting temporary input files 
 $! ----------  $! $ create xxyyzz.tmp  record 1 record 2 $ open /read in xxyyzz.tmp $ delete xxyyzz.tmp;*  $loop: $ read in data /end=eof  $ write sys$output data  $ goto loop  $eof: $ $ dir xxyyzz.tmp   ! prove it's gone' $ close in     ! No need to delete file   P No clearing up to do in error processing or ctrl_y routines. Even with a system P crash there is only a small window during which the file gets left on disk. All M the code relating to that temporary filename sits within the same few lines,   increasing maintainability too.   P * IIRC this technique was used by shutdown to parse the output from SHOW QUEUE, G before the "new" queue manager was available (i.e. before f$getqui and   stop/queue/manager existed).   ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2001 09:02:26 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) ; Subject: RE: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN command 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-kkn18dfoyUMy@localhost>   F On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:42:05, Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> wrote:  M > I do the same , But my logic is to create the error file then close it then 8 > rename it to the ftp directory where my ftp job does aK > f$search("ftpdir:*.*",1) and loops through all files ftping them and then  > deleting them.    ) Picking up on this and other thoughts ...     > > >> Sample Code: > > >>/ > > >> $      OPEN /WRITE OUTPUT_FILE ERROR.TXT 3 >> $      WRITE OUTPUT_FILE "An error has occurred"    Wouldn't  .       $      my_file = f$search("output_file")  F give you the full filespec or is the version missing? I can't test it 5 and I'm not back at work until the 10'th (big smile).    >> $      CLOSE OUTPUT_FILE + >> $      ... do something with OUTPUT_FILE  >> $ ... delete OUTPUT_FILE    which would mean you could then          $    delete 'my_file'    Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 12:40:25 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>8 Subject: Re: eBay *desperately* needs TWO backup systems+ Message-ID: <VA.0000020e.3a38ad1f@sture.ch>   B In article <CVwjvtdOzcYW@eisner.decus.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote: > Z > In article <Fs+5zoMCAdGo@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes: > = > >  Might I suggest that if they had a backup system for the @ > >  backup system for the backup system they *may* not have had > >  this problem. > 5 >    I think even with a backup system for the backup 7 >    system for the backup system for the backup system 6 >    they still would have failed due to that "storage7 >    system shared by the primary and back-up systems".  >   F They are nearly there. They've already got a "third backup system" :-)  1 >    To me that is the critical advantage held by 5 >    host-based-volume-shadowing over the more commonv9 >    (in the industry) controller-based-volume-shadowing.S3 >    Certainly host-based-volume-shadowing can havee2 >    defects, but I cherish the idea that recovery3 >    from sins of the storage widget was programmed 5 >    by those not involved with design of the storageC9 >    widget (and thus by people less likely to trust it).m >  >    Larry Kilgallen > N > "The outage began at about 11:34 PT yesterday with a hardware failure on ourN > backup system. As we restarted the back-up system, another problem developedN > in the storage system shared by the primary and back-up systems, effectively > bringing down the site." > P > ==============================================================================P > Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersP > ============================================================================== >e   ___e
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 12:40:23 +0100e  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again+ Message-ID: <VA.0000020d.3a38a56b@sture.ch>-  > In article <3A55E3FF.DF193E1D@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > John Macallister wrote:  >  > >H > >)G > > The problem with the eBay setup may have been partly caused by some-M > > deficiency in the SUN system but the major fault at eBay appears to me totP > > have been caused by some lack of experience on the part of those running theO > > system at the time. If they had shut down the whole system when the problemrK > > first appeared the outage time may have been minutes rather than hours.e > >t > >) > N > Interesting analysis John. I wonder if the Ebay IT people have an test/develR > system similar if not identical  to the live one that they can make and break to > theirPL > hearts content to become familiar with recovering from problem situations.P > Or do they just panic when it goes down and attempt to learn while their users > wait.  >iS Yes, that struck an accord with me too. I recall a url given here a year or so ago tR from someone at a university complaining about Suns, and I couldn't help but feel M that a lack of experience on the user's part was an important factor at play.o  R > Isn't that what ones backup datacentre should be used for? Do they have a backup > * > data centre? It doesn't appear so to me. > ! And what about disaster recovery?  ___n
 Paul Sture Switzerlandg   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Jan 2001 19:38:07 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again0 Message-ID: <87ae943o80.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  , young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:   >.  But when I flip3F > 	open my "Preferred Way To Set Up High Availability Clusters" manual< > 	I see I want my QMAN files on mirrored disks, preferrably> > 	mirrored and THEN shadowed just in case a controller hangs.. > 	Disks are cheaper and cheaper all the time.  B Why mirrored ( I assume controller shadowing here ) and shadowing,% instead of say a 3 member shadow set?:   Just curious...    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:51:06 +0100e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>c, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again) Message-ID: <3A573EE9.3C41BE80@gtech.com>.  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:K > I'd say we don't know enough yet. Let's wait for an official explaination91 > to analyse  before we start blaming the E10K's.    Why ?   2 Ebay never explains details about what went wrong.  C SUN is known for using NDA's, but that just be a coincidence !  :-)-   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2001 16:36:48 GMT.1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) , Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again, Message-ID: <937hj0$2j88$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  + In article <VA.0000020d.3a38a56b@sture.ch>,e#  Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:o |>  V |> Yes, that struck an accord with me too. I recall a url given here a year or so ago U |> from someone at a university complaining about Suns, and I couldn't help but feel  P |> that a lack of experience on the user's part was an important factor at play.  I Well, I don't have it on a Web Page, but we dropped Suns here a number ofaI years ago.  Not for hardware reasons, though, as the majority of them are-K still running.  But we use them promarily for playing with Plan9 and Amoeba>J at this point.  Our complaint was with the OS.  Solaris was too slow to beN be practical when compared to any of the free Unixes and SunOS was so insecureN as to be unacceptable (we have not had a successful breaking since we shutdownM our lasat SunOS system.)  Pretty sad really when people who get paid for whatyB they do can't even keep up with the people who do it just for fun.   bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:55:01 GMTl4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again< Message-ID: <VZI56.41576$1t.2338900@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  - > In article <VA.0000020d.3a38a56b@sture.ch>,t% >  Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:  > |>H > |> Yes, that struck an accord with me too. I recall a url given here a year or so agoH > |> from someone at a university complaining about Suns, and I couldn't
 help but feel L > |> that a lack of experience on the user's part was an important factor at play.t  L About a year and a half ago there was in fact a UE10K Customer Page URL thatD served as a complaint and horror story forum. Among other things, itJ featured links to Sun documentation about dynamic system domains, etc. TheK URL mysteriously disappeared (a la Judge Crater, Jimmy Hoffa, and the MayaneG civilization) several weeks after it was posted in this noosegroup, andn cited in my newsletter.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 09:34:02 +0100-  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: Giving up on VMSf+ Message-ID: <VA.00000206.398e0919@sture.ch>m  ; In article <3A546A5A.F16271D@gtech.com>, Arne Vajhj wrote:5 >  > Paul Sture wrote:c > > >TM > > > Incorrect.  NT has significantly more 'cultural compatibility' with VMSmR > > > than, say, a Unix does - e.g., things like event flags and asynchronous fileR > > > I/O (the list is a lot longer, but I'm kind of busy today).  As a result, NTR > > > has been relatively easy for me to approach when I've had to write user-mode5 > > > code for it (kernel code too, for that matter).M > > > O > > I agree. I'm reminded of an article in one of the NT magazines about memorynR > > management (circa mid 1997), in which so much of the terminology came straightQ > > from the VMS manuals. I felt I could have given a course on the subject aftere > > reading that...e > > Q > > Again, in user mode programming (mainly command line utilities) I often foundoN > > myself thinking "What would I call in VMS to do that?", then search for anJ > > appropriately named routine, and hey presto, that routine had the same% > > parameters as its VMS equivalent.e > > O > > Of course, none of the routine names were the same, and extra functionalitykQ > > was incorporated where appropriate (e.g. threaded processes), but writing the I > > equivalent of something like SHOW SYSTEM was easy if I "thought VMS".e >  > ???? >  > That is not my experience. >  > Examples:  >   Win32 : LoadLibraryA! >   VMS   : LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOLi >  >   Win32 : GetDiskFreeSpace# >   VMS   : LIB$GETDVI / SYS$GETDVIf > - >   Win32 : GetFileAttribute/SetFileAttributea >   VMS   : SYS$QIO(W) > 8 > Could you give examples of something that is similar ? > B Sorry, but precise examples have got lost in the mists of time :-( ___e
 Paul Sture Switzerlando   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 09:34:03 +0100o  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: Happy New Years+ Message-ID: <VA.00000207.398e0c58@sture.ch>r  < In article <3A53489F.66B256B8@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei wrote:/ > From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  > Subject: Re: Happy New Years' > Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:43:31 -0500. >  > Martin Knoblauch wrote:oJ > >  Don't think so. Celsius just took two interesting properties of waterO > > (melting point, boiling point) to be the base of his temperature scale. Ande8 > > he devided the intervall between into 100 "degrees". > N > >  Not really knowing the history of Fahrenheit, what are the "basic points"B > > (0, 100, ???) on this scale. They do not seem to represent any, > > useful/memorizable property of anything. > P > Fahrenheit, (the guy was a german) has its 0 defined as the lowest temperatureJ > that could be mechanically acheived back in the 1700s when the scale wasN > devised, and the 100 degree mark at what is about the human body temperature  > according to one encyclopedia. > P > According to another encyclopedia, it is defined as a scale having 180 degreesL > between the point of freezing and boiling of water. (degrees, angles.....) >D The answer I dug out from A http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/temperature.htmn was e  F "Fahrenheit used his body temperature as 100 degrees and the freezing P temperature of saturated salt water as 0 degrees. He marked those levels on his A thermometer and divided the scale into 100 parts for each degree.r                 Poor choicen  L Although he was intelligent in inventing the thermometer, his choice of 100 P degrees and 0 degrees were unfortunate. Fahrenheit's metabolism was higher than K most people, so 100 degrees for him resulted in 98.6 degrees F as the body e# temperature for the average person.r  N Although ocean water freezes at 28 degrees F, water saturated with salt--such Q that it collects on the bottom--freezes at a much colder temperature. Fahrenheit wK designated that temperature as zero. But that certainly is not the coldest  N temperature  you can experience in winter weather. It also makes the freezing ( point of water an awkward 32 degrees F." ___o
 Paul Sture Switzerlandf   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 10:12:08 GMT 8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi> Subject: Re: Source dor TSM021?a( Message-ID: <3A56E0A5.F9BC3BC9@decus.fi>  ; Right now I happen to have TSM V2.1 ECO 6 (for DECnet Phaseh IV9 environments ) available in JUHANI.DECUS.FI anonymous FTPh area.I   Check INPUT directory.   _velis  9 "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" wrote:- > 6 > In article <KoL46.112962$Z2.1315210@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,9 >         "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes:L > [...]e > >>     source for TSM021?e > >>...m > > + > > Try http://www.dnpg.com/dr/npg/tsm.html. > J >         No joy. :-(  On  downloading  the  files  (with Netscape 3.03 onD >     VMS), then RUNning the DCX_AXPEXE (or DCX_VAXEXE) file, I get: > E > -------------------------------------------------------------------s > ...f8 > Decompressing (press Ctrl-T to watch the evolution)...' >         Creating decompressed file...dG >         Original file specification: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]TSM021.SAV;1pR >         Decompressed file specification: DISK$SCRATCH:[SCRATCH.FAIRFIELD]TSM021. > SAV;1 2 > %FTSV-W-COMP_DECOMPERR, fatal decompressor error > -DCX-W-TRUNC, data truncatedE > -------------------------------------------------------------------  > J >         I've  just  written  to  the  webmaster  at  DNPG  but  I'm  notJ >     particularly  hopeful.  Seems the files get downloaded as  Stream-LFJ >     files rather than in binary, fixed 512 byte record files.  Is this aJ >     web server problem on their end, or a Netscape problem on my end?  IC >     don't know.  What I'd give for anonymous ftp at this point...s > J >         If anyone out there  has  copies  of  the TSM021 savesets or DCXJ >     files,  at  least  for  Alpha VMS if not both,  and  can  make  them; >     available, I'd be most appreciative and in your debt!0 >  >         -Ken > --O >  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edup< >  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924< >  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515P >  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------D >  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Jan 2001 19:30:03 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Source dor TSM021?e0 Message-ID: <87elyg3olg.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  3 "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> writes:t  G > a compressed format.  This would all be moot if the power that be had]I > simply used an extension of .EXE :*(  I have no way to make this changecE > and it has been reported numerous times to the powers that be.  I'me  ) Or if they where 'the powers that WAS...'s   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.-@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2001 01:45 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)' Subject: Re: SSH for VMS? , Message-ID: <6JAN200101455289@gerg.tamu.edu>  % Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes...e# }I hope someone asked this already,  }but is this available?c }  }telnet is not so secure  + The newest version of Multinet includes it.a   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 07:22:44 -0700e% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>h Subject: Re: SSH for VMS? A Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010106072216.00aa3428@ntbsod.psccos.com>a  G It is available in Multinet, and will be available soon in the upcoming- release of TCPware.-  % At 10:13 PM 1/5/2001, Beyonder wrote:r# >I hope someone asked this already,e >but is this available?  >r >telnet is not so secure   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ I | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |tI | Principal Engineer            |  "Those are my principles. If you     |eI | Process Software              |   don't like them I have others."     |*I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    | I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:59:18 +0100F= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e Subject: Re: SSH for VMS? ) Message-ID: <3A5740D6.7A279C8F@gtech.com>i   Beyonder wrote: $ > I hope someone asked this already, > but is this available? >  > telnet is not so secure     ! See http://www.free.lp.se/fish/ !T   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 09:34:04 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>4 Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm.+ Message-ID: <VA.00000208.398e0eb1@sture.ch><  G In article <9324tk$r18$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, Charlie Hammond e wrote:: > From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 6 > Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm. > Date: 4 Jan 2001 15:29:56 GMTo >  > G > The following kludge is undoubtedly incomplete and imperfect, but it  F > is in my LOGIN.COM and seems to work.  Offered for what it is worth.( > [actually modified a bit for clarity.] >  > ...b$ > $ IF F$GETDVI("SYS$COMMAND","TRM") > $ THENC > $     DEVNAM = F$GETDVI("SYS$COMMAND","TT_PHYDEVNAM") - "_" - "_"i& > $     DEVNAM = F$EXTRACE(0,2,DEVNAM)1 > $     IF DEVNAM .EQS. "WT" THEN GOTO IS_DECTERMh1 > $     IF DEVNAM .EQS. "TW" THEN GOTO IS_DECTERMa1 > $     IF DEVNAM .EQS. "FT" THEN GOTO IS_DECTERM 1 > $     IF DEVNAM .EQS. "RT" THEN GOTO IS_DECTERMg2 > $     IF DEVNAM .EQS. "TN" THEN GOTO IS_DECTERM 	 > $ ENDIF- > $ GOTO NOT_DECTERM > ...a >yE And the V7.2-1 SYLOGIN.TEMPLATE, offers a slightly different method,  " together with 3 more device types:   $MODE_INTERACTIVE: $p* $! Turn on the processing of <Control/T>.  $! $ SET CONTROL=TC $ ? $! Set the terminal type, unless this is a detached DECwindows   application,D $! or a remote login, or specific other terminal types.  (Note that  remoteE $! user logins, via such protocols as DECnet CTERM (SET HOST, device p driver@ $! prefix "RT") and IP (telnet, device driver prefix "TN"), are 
 considered9 $! "Interactive" processes, and not "Network" processes.)= $=+ $ TT_NOINQUIR = "|TW|RT|WT|TK|WS|PY|FT|TN|"=, $ TT_DEVNAME = F$GETDVI("TT","TT_PHYDEVNAM")* $ TT_DEVPREFIX = F$EXTRACT(1,2,TT_DEVNAME)4 $ IF F$LOCATE("|''TT_DEVPREFIX'|",TT_NOINQUIR) .eq.  F$Length(TT_NOINQUIR)= $ THENC $    ! Determine what sort of terminal this is, and avoid resetting-A $    ! the user's default display size settings in the process...a' $    tt_page = f$getdvi("TT","TT_PAGE") + $    devbufsiz = f$getdvi("TT","DEVBUFSIZ")3: $    SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE/PAGE='tt_page'/WIDTH='devbufsiz' $ EndIfw   (sorry if this wraps)M ___i
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 10:11:54 GMTm8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>4 Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm.( Message-ID: <3A56DC5C.E3105A99@decus.fi>  : PowerTerm used to diplay those OSC strings. Maybe even now/ does. Cannot check right now. In have right nowd PowerTerm 525 Version  5.4.2.m   _velit     Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:s > I > > In article <92vrfb$g8p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, yyygac2@my-deja.com writes:  > >d > >a& > > :The stumbling block to just doingK > > :this blindly is that the icon text is not swallowed if the end displaymK > > :device is not a DECterm and doesn't understand the escape sequence ando0 > > :as a result is visible in the DCL prompt... > >kN > >   I'd consider this description to indicate a bug exists in the particularN > >   terminal emulator or hardware terminal in use -- terminals are generallyI > >   expected to quietly swallow any unrecognized but correctly-formated J > >   ANSI sequences.  The last terminal that I can recall that did not doO > >   this was an antique Tektronix 40xx series tube -- all of the ANSI-capableeL > >   VT series terminals will quietly process unsupported escape sequences,* > >   unless emulating an antique display. > K > Yup, my login.com spits out OSC strings to set the DECTerm title bar, andaO > when I login using Reflections 7 instead of DecWindows I don't see any excess(K > garbage on my screen or in the prompt. I wonder if the original poster isUS > using C:\Windows\Telnet.exe, which is barely classifiable as a terminal emulator?, >  --r8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukd > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  > MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.012 ************************