0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 07 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 13      Contents:! 2 quetions disks, telnet printing % Re: 2 quetions disks, telnet printing ! 2 quetions disks, telnet printing ! Re: Can DCL talk to TCP/IP ports? 4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution2 Re: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN command2 RE: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN command Re: DEC 3000 model 300 Re: DEC 3000 model 300$ GET PAID $$$ FOR BEING ONLINE!  8130* Re: Need FTSS V4.2 or higher for VAXft 810+ Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm. 6 Re: [Q] Which model Exabyte in TKZ09 and TKZ15 drives?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 02:05:35 GMT  From: unixguys@my-deja.com* Subject: 2 quetions disks, telnet printing) Message-ID: <938itd$k4b$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   A OK I have some spare time so I'm back to my 4000/600, and the vms  learning process continues.   E I added 2 more dssi (total 3) disks and they are alive well and I can  mount and access them.  F I can't seem to glean from searches how to auto mount these two drivesF at boot, is there something similar to an fstab, filesystems or mnttab in VMS 7.2 ?  > Also Printing stair steps to my remote rs6000 laser (multinet)  H OH BTW anyone seen this error from the VAX to my rs6000 (doesnt occur on the openbsd gateway) ...) %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 192.168.0.17 4 %TELNET-E-CONNFAIL, Failed to connect to remote host* -SYSTEM-F-PROTOCOL, network protocol error       Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 03:49:37 GMT $ From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@san.rr.com>. Subject: Re: 2 quetions disks, telnet printing< Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101061945300.2872-100000@jaipur>  . On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 unixguys@my-deja.com wrote:C > OK I have some spare time so I'm back to my 4000/600, and the vms  > learning process continues.  > G > I added 2 more dssi (total 3) disks and they are alive well and I can  > mount and access them. > H > I can't seem to glean from searches how to auto mount these two drivesH > at boot, is there something similar to an fstab, filesystems or mnttab > in VMS 7.2 ?  F You have to add the commands to mount the disks on your system startupH file yourself.  Modify the file SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM to include the appropriate MOUNT commands.     @ > Also Printing stair steps to my remote rs6000 laser (multinet)  D This probably has to do with CR/LF issues.  Surely the Multinet docsD discuss this in the chapter about LPR, although I don't remember the1 details on this.  The Multinet docs are online as  www.multinet.process.com.   J > OH BTW anyone seen this error from the VAX to my rs6000 (doesnt occur on > the openbsd gateway) ...+ > %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 192.168.0.17 6 > %TELNET-E-CONNFAIL, Failed to connect to remote host, > -SYSTEM-F-PROTOCOL, network protocol error  I I've never seen that before.  If you're using Multinet, you could post on   vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet.   -Ryan  rmoore2(at)san.rr.com.spambad    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 01:40:12 -0500 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>* Subject: 2 quetions disks, telnet printing7 Message-ID: <200101070140_MC2-C0E2-899A@compuserve.com>   5 Message text written by INTERNET:unixguys@my-deja.com B >OK I have some spare time so I'm back to my 4000/600, and the vms learning process continues.   E I added 2 more dssi (total 3) disks and they are alive well and I can  mount and access them.  F I can't seem to glean from searches how to auto mount these two drivesF at boot, is there something similar to an fstab, filesystems or mnttab
 in VMS 7.2 ?<   J You include MOUNT commands in you system startup somewhere.  I usually ha= veJ a command procedure: MOUNT_DISKS.COM which I invoke from SYSTARTUP_VMS.CO= M.#  It would look something like this:  $! MOUNT_DISKS.COM $! $! Mount the rest of the disks.  $! Richard B. Gilbert  $! 07-JAN-2001 $!4 $ MOUNT /SYSTEM DIA1:  <volume label> [logical name]4 $ MOUNT /SYSTEM DIA2:  <volume label> [logical name] $ EXITH The system always assigns the logical name DISK$<volume label>.  You can6 specify an optional logical name of your own devising.   In SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM you put: = $ @SYS$MANAGER:MOUNT_DISKS      !Mount the rest of the disks.     J Or you could write something fancier.  It's possible to write a procedure=  G to auto discover all the disks, mount them privately to find the volume B label, dismount the disk and mount it again with /SYSTEM.  This isH complicated by the fact that most systems have a floppy disk drive and aD CDROM drive that the system would autodiscover and attempt to mount.  H Or you could write a procedure to open fstab.dat, parse the records, and mount all the disks listed.   J In most circumsances, most system managers just put the mount commands in=  a7 file somewhere and ensure that the file is executed.  =    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 14:02:10 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> * Subject: Re: Can DCL talk to TCP/IP ports?) Message-ID: <3A5787D2.5D4C7161@rdrop.com>    Mark Berryman wrote: >   > Dean Woodward wrote (in part): > > J > > So DEFINE/JOB TCPIP$SMTP_FROM "deanw@rdrop.com <Dean Woodward>" shouldI > > work?  Can I point out that some mailers expect to see brokets around G > > the friendly name field, but that VMSMAIL /PERSONAL_NAME won't take I > > them, and uses parentheses?  It's a nit, but in the MS-centric office D > > environment I work in, Exchange won't recognize (Dean Woodward). > H > That would result in an invalid address.  Parts inside parentheses areG > comments to an email address, anything inside angle brackets ( the <> @ > characters ) must be a vaild, machine-readable address.  Thus:* > deanw@rdrop.com (Dean Woodward) is valid > and / > Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> is also valid  > ( > but the example you give above is not.  0 Mark is, of course, correct- I had it backwards.  F However, RFC822 says anything in parens is a comment and can safely beF ignored- Outlook Express (And Netscape, un*x 'mutt') takes the troubleA to extract it anyway (if nothing else is present), but Outlook 2K B doesn't (what's the point of reusable code if you don't reuse it?  *sigh*).   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 19:35:00 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution < Message-ID: <ErK56.41608$1t.2348771@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3A576896.9BDBA8C2@videotron.ca... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: J > > Yeah, and there's the little matter of VMS being a multibillion-dollar; > > business characterized by very generous profit margins.  > L > I keep hearing this over and over again. But if VMS truly was such a greatJ > product that provided Compaq with much more otential profit than sellingH > wintel boxes, we wouldn't be begging Compaq to advertise and save VMS. > F > VMS built Digital into the second biggest computer maker back in the 1980s.K > But it has gone way down since then, and my feeling is that while "sales"  may I > be going back up, I am not sure that Compaq would be willing to release  the L > rate of loss of VMS sites is nor what the expectations in the coming years > are.  J If we are to believe CPQ's numbers, there are ~400K VMS systems out there.L This is down from a peak of perhaps ~550K systems in the early 90s, but downB marginally from 1997 (~450K systems). At the 1997 DECUS CopenhagenH symposium, Jesse Lipcon did a session wherein he showed a then-projectedH decline in the VMS installed base from ~450K to ~200-250K by CY2002. The@ Giga Group put out a research note predicting a similar decline.  I For reasons best known to CPQ, that decline failed to materialize. Again, I based on CPQ statements and figures, close to ~20 percent of the VMS base D wanders off the reservation each year. These emigres are replaced byI customers new to VMS. In 1999, newcomers represented 17 percent of sales.    > K > For instance,  SWIFT won't be supporting VMS anymore, so Compaq will have  lostH > all its SWIFT customers currently on VMS before the end of 2002. There goesD > Compaq's claim that VMS was a key platform for international funds	 tranfers. K > Will those few new sales compensate for the complete loss of a VMS market  ?  > E > So, if Compaq look at the projections of customers who know will be  dumping K > VMS soon (or are in the process of dumping it), it may conclude it is not ! > worth  any advertising efforts.  >  > > And a business that E > > drives the sale of plenty of high-margin, high-end Alpha systems.  > D > Funny, when Wildfire was launched, VMS was barely mentioned. If it	 generates K > so much profit, shouldn't Capellas have mentioned this to the Wall Street I > audience and outlined how the Wildfire, combined with galaxy, will make  VMS F > much more attractive and since VMS is a key product to Compaq due to higherD > yields and loyal customers, this will do a lot of good to Compaq's financials.   K I think so. I was at the announcement and relatively little was said in the J Rainbow Room about VMS. Heil and Capellas seemed to focus on Tru64 becauseH the primary competition for the GS-Series consists of enterprise serversG running Solaris, HP-UX, and AIX. There was, however, a surprisingly low 6 level of speeds-n-feeds content in the press briefing.  K If you wandered across the street to the CUSTOMER briefing that went on all J day long, you woulda learned all you wanted to know about Galaxy, OpenVMS,& Tru64, and the GS-Series architecture.   > J > NO ! They went on anout how Compaq had acheived some special status withJ > Oracle for the True64 and how Tru64 woudl benefit from Wildfire etc etc. >  > > Pulling L > > the plug on Alpha and/or VMS would ensure one thing: a mass migration of a J > > large installed base into the open arms of Scott, Lou, Carley, Mickie, orF > > some other competitor. And there's the little matter of DII-COE as well...  > I > There is a difference between pulling the plug and letting it go into a  coma. ? > DII-COE does't state that the system must remain competitive.   L If CPQ had intended to outswap VMS into hibernation mode, they wouldn't haveK bothered with V7.3, or with the Oracle partnership. I don't think they'd be E hiring developers, either. (If you're a Compaqtian and you bring in a ) qualified VMS hire, you get a $5K bounty)     ? > And DII-CEO is meaningless to the vast majority of customers.   L The Unix-like APIs mandated by DII-COE should render it much easier for ISVsH who are so inclined to port their apps to VMS. More apps would be a RealF Good Thing, and IMHO infinitely more valuable than a VMS television ad during the Super Bowl.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:24:33 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution ) Message-ID: <3A577F01.19AF43C8@rdrop.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: J > > Yeah, and there's the little matter of VMS being a multibillion-dollar; > > business characterized by very generous profit margins.  > L > I keep hearing this over and over again. But if VMS truly was such a greatJ > product that provided Compaq with much more otential profit than sellingH > wintel boxes, we wouldn't be begging Compaq to advertise and save VMS.  E Not necessarily.  A little while back the we (the company I work for) E did a joint presentation to do some integration with a price tag just D short of eight figures.  The job called for a pair of GS-40s, 10 PCsG with some specialized client software, and a boat-load of cu$tomization E and $ervice$.  Compaq regional sales management could see no possible A way to make that much money only selling twelve machines and some H software.  They wanted to clutter up our presentation with a local salesE person who would tell the customer why they should buy lots of Compaq D PCs, because they "knew" that you made money by selling lots of PCs.  E You should have seen the Compaq crew when the customer asked us if we C could exclude the 10 PCs from the contract, at least to start- why, G that's $25K!  The PC sales crew were flaggergasted that we were _happy_ G to do this!  Later, we pointed out that they represented $100K with the D client software and some other goodies- but that this was still lessE than two percent of the total package on the table.  At that instant, E one could barely discern the flickering of a lightbulb over the sales E crew's collective head- but then their training kicked in and it went H out- because, after all, they know that the way to make money is to sell lots of PCs.  D OTOH, the people working with us who came from DEC couldn't trim fatH from the project to save their jobs- they insisted that part of the dealC had to be a provided VMS system manager for the two systems for the E first two years at an unbelievable hourly rate, to do what would have D been for the most part a two-banana job.  I believe it possible thatE this frame of mind (that they can dictate what a customer "needs" and H should pay for) may be part of what causes slippage in VMS sales- it mayG be that you can get customers to pay for services, but there had better F be a value add, or they'll pick a less reliable system that costs less< and be able to justify (at least to themselves) the savings.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:22:09 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ; Subject: Re: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN command - Message-ID: <3A577061.DB4BEB00@earthlink.net>    "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: [snip]  > One could speculate on endlessI > variations. But the main idea is correct: to make the filenames somehow 	 > unique.    I've found this useful:    $ PID = F$GETJPI( 0, "PID" )8 $ NOW = F$CVTIME(,,) - "-" - "-" - " " - ":" - ":" - "." $ FSP := 'PID'_'NOW'.TMP $ COPY NLA0: &FSP  $ OPEN/APPEND TMPFLE &FSP  	. 	. 	. $ CLOSE TMPFLE 	. 	. 	. $ DELETE/NOLOG/NOCONFIRM &FSP;   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 19:25:56 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>; Subject: RE: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN command ) Message-ID: <937rfu$2b9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   5 In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-kkn18dfoyUMy@localhost>, 0   djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) wrote:H > On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:42:05, Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> > wrote: > G > > I do the same , But my logic is to create the error file then close  it then : > > rename it to the ftp directory where my ftp job does aD > > f$search("ftpdir:*.*",1) and loops through all files ftping them and then > > deleting them. > + > Picking up on this and other thoughts ...  >  >  > > >> Sample Code: > > > >>1 > > > >> $      OPEN /WRITE OUTPUT_FILE ERROR.TXT 5 > >> $      WRITE OUTPUT_FILE "An error has occurred"  > 
 > Wouldn't > 0 >       $      my_file = f$search("output_file") > G > give you the full filespec or is the version missing? I can't test it    No, it doesn't.   7 > and I'm not back at work until the 10'th (big smile).  >  > >> $      CLOSE OUTPUT_FILE - > >> $      ... do something with OUTPUT_FILE  > >> $ ... delete OUTPUT_FILE  > ! > which would mean you could then  >  >       $    delete 'my_file'  >  > Cheers - Dave. >    --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItE is broken. Instead, use one of the addresses below, removing the long  wrong part first. Thanks.    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)+ w: afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.com 5 h: alan48@dellnet.YouCantBelieveEverythingYouRead.com      Sent via Deja.com2 http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2001 20:09:39 +0100o* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: DEC 3000 model 300a* Message-ID: <3a576d73$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  G In article <9365d9$ro3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, townleycc@my-deja.com writes: . >Just obtained DEC 3000 model 300 Workstation,1 >with (I think) Dunix on it. Only problem is that / >I cannot get a display on my VR297-V3 monitor.0/ >This I think will handle 60 Hz at 1024X864 but 0 >the WS video outpu is probably higher. I cannot2 >identify the video card as it seems to integrated0 >on he M/B, and no obvious jumpers. I have had a1 >look at the dec3000.pdf from the compaq site,but- >this refers to later models.   = In general, the VR297 is a GPX monitor, the DEC3000 uses SPX.eK Use a VRT19 or similar 1280/1024 (72 and/or 66 Hz) monitor and try again...K  6 For more detailed explanations wait for another answer   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:08:38 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: DEC 3000 model 300cL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0601011808380001@user-2iveb5h.dialup.mindspring.com>  F In article <9365d9$ro3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, townleycc@my-deja.com wrote:   > Finally got back here. > / > Just obtained DEC 3000 model 300 Workstation,-2 > with (I think) Dunix on it. Only problem is that0 > I cannot get a display on my VR297-V3 monitor.0 > This I think will handle 60 Hz at 1024X864 but1 > the WS video outpu is probably higher. I cannotj3 > identify the video card as it seems to integratedt1 > on he M/B, and no obvious jumpers. I have had a02 > look at the dec3000.pdf from the compaq site,but > this refers to later models.   Look at:D   http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.html and -   http://wint.decsy.ru/bsd/alpha/v0000008.htmh  6 The first of these says that the model 300 includes an> " Integral 1280x1024 @ 72 Hz 8-plane color graphics subsystem"3 I think these paramaters are fixed for this device.t  , > Any suggestions as to how I can change the1 > refreshrate, or at least identify the video, to  > to work out how? > , > Elseways, can I enable some sort of serial0 > console (without initial console access!) so I1 > can stick a serial cable onto the printer port?h  J You can hook a terminal to it, if you get the right cable.  I don't recallN the details for the model 300.  We have a couple of them at work, and a manual
 somewhere.   -- X Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 21:50:58 GMTO From: coral945@aol.com- Subject: GET PAID $$$ FOR BEING ONLINE!  8130 4 Message-ID: <6rM56.12212$rk1.331137@news.uswest.net>  R GO TO  http://buzyperson01.homestead.com/main.html FOR ALL THE INFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! vhxtynqmhfdwzo   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 23:34:12 GMT0 From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com 3 Subject: Re: Need FTSS V4.2 or higher for VAXft 810 8 Message-ID: <agaf5t04ufqg5s2ji4g7ov79b8fr2v7pkm@4ax.com>  A On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:26:35 -0600 (CST), sms@antinode.org wrote:y  H >   Sadly, March 1996 is the latest SPL I have for VAX.  Perhaps someoneF >with a newer one has an [FTSSxxx] directory where xxx > 020.  It's inG >the Master Index as "VAXft System Services".  (Or some one could offermH >to sell me a newer SPL for almost no money, and I'd look through it for >free.)h > I >------------------------------------------------------------------------O > D >   Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)D >   382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)H >   Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work): >   sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)  D and I took a look at a Sep 1997 VAX SPL, and FTSS was still at v2.0.  ! $ search dka600:[cdrom]*.dat FTSSn  & DKA600:[000000.CDROM]CD_CONTENTS.DAT;1  @ "VAXft System Services" YEAAA  2.0  SSB  NCH  Y  N  N  FTSS020 3   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:46:27 -0500M2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)4 Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement for DECterm.L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0601011746280001@user-2iveb5h.dialup.mindspring.com>  [ In article <9353qt$dof$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:    > In article <rdeininger-0501011239400001@user-2iveak3.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: # > :Does a VT420 count as a decterm?u > N >   A VT420 is not a DECterm, and a DECterm (at least under DECwindows Motif) L >   cannot specifically emulate a VT420 -- it can emulate various terminals F >   from VT100 through VT340, and it can identify itself as a DECterm.  L I understand.  My point was that a vt420 (and several other terminals) mightM be connected via SSU, and then appear to the system as FTAnnn devices.  Which83 might confuse the chunk of DCL in the earlier post.   O I found several command files that broke when we started using SSU, due to the r; incorrect assumption that FTAn devices are always DECterms.a   -- m Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 20:54:26 GMTm From: guppy <guppy99@usa.com> ? Subject: Re: [Q] Which model Exabyte in TKZ09 and TKZ15 drives?c' Message-ID: <3A5785AD.F7EB78ED@usa.com>   N The TKZ09 is an 8500S (5 gig - no compression).  The TKZ15 is an 8505 which, IK believe, writes only in compressed mode (10 gig), but will read 5 gig tapese written 5 on the 8500's as well as the 10 gig compressed tapes.d      9 "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" wrote:r  J >         Can anyone out there tell  me  which  model of Exabyte 8mm driveJ >     was  inside  DEC's  TKZ09 and TKZ15?  I'm guessing an  8205  in  the< >     former and an 8500 in the latter, or 8500's in both... >eJ >         I need to know because the TKZ09  and TKZ15 are the only two 8mmJ >     drives  officially supported in an HSC-95 (running the last  versionJ >     of HSC Software (Chronic) V8.6).  A kindly vendor shipped me a TKZ9EJ >     (a later model) which has  an  Exabyte  8505  inside,  but  the  HSCJ >     doesn't  recognize  it  and  won't  make  it  available.   I need toJ >     downgrade the Exabyte and I need  to know _which_ model(s) will work >     in the HSC.m >@ >         Thanks, Kenm > --O >  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu < >  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924< >  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515P >  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------D >  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.013 ************************