0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 08 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 16      Contents: Re: "Hidden" local DCL symbols?  Re: "Hidden" local DCL symbols? % Re: 2 quetions disks, telnet printing P Re: APACHE (CSWS) + MOD_PERL = No private process logicals definablein LOGIN.COM2 Asking an app to temporarily relinquish a resource4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 RE: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 RE: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 RE: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution2 RE: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN command Re: DEC 3000 model 300 easysoft's odbc for rms # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again * FW: START/QUE/SEARCh command.....Need help FW: start/que/search problem FW: start/que/search problem RE: How many.. Re: How many.. Re: How many.. Re: How many.. Re: How many.. Re: How many.. I Need a DEC terminal server  Re: I Need a DEC terminal server< Jserv  + apache + CWS warning : please recompile with -DEAPI@ Re: Jserv  + apache + CWS warning : please recompile with -DEAPI locked file  Re: locked file  Re: locked file + Re: LPD or TELNET queue failover in cluster  Microsoft Message Queue * Re: Need FTSS V4.2 or higher for VAXft 810* Re: Need FTSS V4.2 or higher for VAXft 810& Need KZTSA information / documentation Re: Online backups Re: Online backups Re: OpenVMS opportunities  PHP on VMS?  samba & Re: Sending messages to an application Re: Source dor TSM021? Re: SSH for VMS?; Re: vax basic - can someone remind me how this works again? ; Re: vax basic - can someone remind me how this works again? K VMS dropped by EUREX (was: Compaq: A simple, affordable clusteringsolution) + Re: [TCPIP V5.0A ECO1] BIND Server errors ? P [Update] APACHE (CSWS) + MOD_PERL = No private process logicals definablein LOGI  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2001 07:39:04 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) ( Subject: Re: "Hidden" local DCL symbols?5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-44wHbdQCpFld@localhost>   D On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 04:24:38, ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.au (Ian  Burgess) wrote:    > A curious phenomenon...  > A > There is a sample script supplied with Apache for OpenVMS which 3 > displays certain symbols defined for the process.  > N > Playing with that example, I tried SHOW SYMBOL * with the following results, >  >   $ SHOW SYMBOL *  >   $RESTART == "FALSE"  >   $SEVERITY == "1" >   $STATUS == "%X00010001" M >   APACHE$ENV == "$APACHE$ROOT:[000000]APACHE$ENVIRONMENT_FOR_DCL.EXE_ALPHA"  >   P1 = ""  >   P2 = ""  >   P3 = ""  >   P4 = ""  >   P5 = ""  >   P6 = ""  >   P7 = ""  >   P8 = ""   D Indeed the are all global symbols which tends to make me think that   
 SHOW SYMBOL *    is equivalent to   SHOW SYMBOL /GLOBAL *   ) Which explains the lack of local symbols.   L > But it did not show the 25 other (local) symbols, of which SERVER_SOFTWARE9 > is one.  An explicit SHOW SYMBOL SERVER_SOFTWARE works,  > ! >   $ SHOW SYMBOL SERVER_SOFTWARE / >   SERVER_SOFTWARE = "Apache/1.3.12 (OpenVMS)"  >  > but not with wild-cards! > ! >   $ SHOW SYMBOL SERVER_SOFTWAR* A >   %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  > L > Any idea what's going on here?   (OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Alpha, before you ask.)   Does     SHOW SYMBOL /LOCAL *   give you what you want.   $ What does HELP SHOW SYMBOL tell you?   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:02:18 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) ( Subject: Re: "Hidden" local DCL symbols?0 Message-ID: <009F5CC1.0577873D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <93bfe6$88p$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>, ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.au (Ian Burgess) writes: >A curious phenomenon... > @ >There is a sample script supplied with Apache for OpenVMS which2 >displays certain symbols defined for the process. > M >Playing with that example, I tried SHOW SYMBOL * with the following results,  >  >  $ SHOW SYMBOL * >  $RESTART == "FALSE" >  $SEVERITY == "1"  >  $STATUS == "%X00010001"L >  APACHE$ENV == "$APACHE$ROOT:[000000]APACHE$ENVIRONMENT_FOR_DCL.EXE_ALPHA"
 >  P1 = ""
 >  P2 = ""
 >  P3 = ""
 >  P4 = ""
 >  P5 = ""
 >  P6 = ""
 >  P7 = ""
 >  P8 = "" > K >But it did not show the 25 other (local) symbols, of which SERVER_SOFTWARE 8 >is one.  An explicit SHOW SYMBOL SERVER_SOFTWARE works, >   >  $ SHOW SYMBOL SERVER_SOFTWARE. >  SERVER_SOFTWARE = "Apache/1.3.12 (OpenVMS)" >  >but not with wild-cards!  >   >  $ SHOW SYMBOL SERVER_SOFTWAR*@ >  %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling > K >Any idea what's going on here?   (OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Alpha, before you ask.)    Procedure levels?    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2001 10:56:29 -0500 2 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg). Subject: Re: 2 quetions disks, telnet printing+ Message-ID: <fj8wIgnzuiNG@eisner.decus.org>   ) In article <938itd$k4b$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,   unixguys@my-deja.com writes: 7 > OK I have some spare time so I'm back to my 4000/600, ) > and the vms learning process continues.  > 8 > I added 2 more dssi (total 3) disks and they are alive' > well and I can mount and access them.   7 > I can't seem to glean from searches how to auto mount 6 > these two drives at boot, is there something similar1 > to an fstab, filesystems or mnttab in VMS 7.2 ?   8 See SYS$EXAMPLES:MSCPMOUNT.COM, and examine the contents! of SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM or .TEMPLATE   A The two issues with automounting disks in your simple environment ? is that you can use the /NOASSIST so that if there is a problem . with the disk, your boot will complete anyway.  ? The other issue is one of timing.  The "Configure" process that ; probes the hardware to find I/O devices runs asynchronously  with the system booting.  D Your VAX is one of the ones in the class where the SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM? may get to the point where you have added the commands to mount = the disks before the "Configure" process has found the disks.   = This race condition could results in failures if you just use ; basic mount comands when booting.  The example procedure in = SYS$EXAMPLES:MSCPMOUNT.COM repeatably probes for disk to come  online.    > @ > Also Printing stair steps to my remote rs6000 laser (multinet)  = Your print setup is not sending CR (0xD) control codes to the = printer.  I do not know why from a brief problem description.   9 > OH BTW anyone seen this error from the VAX to my rs6000 + > (doesnt occur on the openbsd gateway) ... + > %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 192.168.0.17 6 > %TELNET-E-CONNFAIL, Failed to connect to remote host, > -SYSTEM-F-PROTOCOL, network protocol error   I do not know that one either    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network  Representing only my own opinion   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:26:21 GMT * From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>Y Subject: Re: APACHE (CSWS) + MOD_PERL = No private process logicals definablein LOGIN.COM 9 Message-ID: <h6k66.208574$DG3.4996876@news2.giganews.com>   9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message * news:8766js3nb8.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com.... > "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> writes: > > > > # 3) Is the process logical table readable by the user the% > > # process ultimately  ends up as?  > >  > > Yes. > 7 > What about the JOB table? Is it running out of quota?   > No. And I've been able to duplicate this now on another systemD and have the same problem even with far fewer logicals being defined" in the process logical name table.  * [See my [update] message for details.... ]   -Andy-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:54:01 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ; Subject: Asking an app to temporarily relinquish a resource , Message-ID: <3A59F0A8.BEFE2844@videotron.ca>  L I have a fax reception application that constantly has a channel assigned to/ the serial port, listening to an incoming call.   L What I want to do is to allow any application to send a "message" to the faxH application asking it to relinquish control of the serial port until the# second application is done with it.   5 For the second part of the problem it is fairly easy:   ; second-app takes a lock to indicate it has the serial port.   N fax-app tries to take the same lock and asks that an AST be delivered when theE first app relinquishes the lock (app terminates, process killed etc).   , But the first part doesn't seem so obvious :  L However, is there a way for the fax-app to be notified whenever someone else% is asking for a lock it already has ?     L Or is the only way for the fax-app to have a mailbox to which the second app, sends a request whenever it needs the port ?  K In another I had acheined that functionality with DECnet. You open a decnet K channel to the application's object and for as long as the channel remained  opened, you had the resource.   L What I definitely require is 100% assurance that when the second applicationJ ends, dies or its process is killed, that the fax-app is notified that the serial port is again available.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:31:50 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution H Message-ID: <OF7DF1ACF8.F6A1302F-ON802569CE.004F42D7@qedi.quintiles.com>  K I definitely go with Terry on this one.  The DII-COE work is very important H to the future of VMS and future application support.  I could easily seeI Oracle making a great deal of use of it since they would not have as much 8 work to do in generating the VMS port of their products.   Steve.  ) Terry Shannon wrote and quoted JF Mezei : B >>>> And DII-CEO is meaningless to the vast majority of customers.  G The Unix-like APIs mandated by DII-COE should render it much easier for  ISVsH who are so inclined to port their apps to VMS. More apps would be a RealF Good Thing, and IMHO infinitely more valuable than a VMS television ad during the Super Bowl.<<<    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:38:34 -0500% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution / Message-ID: <t5jnp3ngunj70b@news.supernews.com>   6 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageH news:910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284B99@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net... > Peter, > D > You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I see the internalI > announcements of Customer OpenVMS wins (both new Customers and existing J > ones) and they are significant - much more so than a year ago. And these are  > large Customers. >   A This seems like it's part of the problem.  Why are they "internal K announcements"?  They should be press releases and they should be posted to  comp.os.vms.  I It's not likely that we'll see an article in ComputerWorld every time you L send them an OpenVMS press release but it will influence the editors/writers perception of OpenVMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2001 16:43:53 GMT 2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)= Subject: RE: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution , Message-ID: <93cqo9$t2v@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  | In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284B97@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes: >Terry,  > L >>>> If CPQ had intended to outswap VMS into hibernation mode, they wouldn'tG >have bothered with V7.3, or with the Oracle partnership. I don't think K >they'd be hiring developers, either. (If you're a Compaqtian and you bring 2 >in a qualified VMS hire, you get a $5K bounty)<<< > H >Yep, and likely the openVMS Engineering group would not be aggressivelyM >hiring college graduates either ie. focus on long term, new idea's and going  >after youth.  >   N Nobody said that OpenVMS Engineering wasn't on the ball.  OpenVMS Engineering N has almost always been on the ball (except when management gets in the way.)    M The problem, as it has historically always been, is OpenVMS marketing (sic).  K I'm beginning to wonder if there are really any people at all whose primary J job function it is to sell small OpenVMS systems.   The available evidence) suggests that these people do not exist.    G Answer me this Kerry, if Compaq is going to make DS10s and DS20s why do H they not aggressively sell those machines into existing and new markets?C What's the point of making these products if Compaq makes no effort I whatsoever to sell them?  Or why does Compaq give us a year long tease in J the academic market and then cough up a hairball that resolves none of ourJ longstanding problems with the ESL/CSLG and is itself unusable by the vast( majority of current academic VMS users?   J These are marketing failures, not Engineering failures.  You can point us H to as many articles on VMS Engineering as you'd like and they'll all be 0 equally irrelevant to the problems in marketing.   >Reference: B ><http://www.compaq.com/inFORM/issues/issue32/human-int-29-b.html>  I Nobody reads inFORM other than the Compaq installed base of Tru64 an VMS   users.     David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech  J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:44:34 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution + Message-ID: <3A59EE72.E22CC51@videotron.ca>   ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:  > M > I definitely go with Terry on this one.  The DII-COE work is very important 6 > to the future of VMS and future application support.  M When I see these "DII-CEO" commitments, the first thing that comes to mind is K that famous long term commitment to ensure that VMS will exist x years from K now. And this is the part that bears no credibility because even Palmer had M made similar promises. OS2 still exists and is still supported, and owners of M Commodore PETs can still operate their machines with the 8k of ram they have. J The way I see it, it just means that Compaq is willing to pay for the life3 support equipment once VMS enters a comatose state.   T If DII-CEO included instead a marketing commitment, I woudl be far more comfortable.  M I have to agree tough that it is true that the unix-system-services aspect of M the program is a big positive. It is a foundation that will give VMS a better M chance. However, even with DII-COE, lack of marketing will still leave VMS in @ a semi comatose state and remain totally unkown in the industry.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:45:00 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution < Message-ID: <g8m66.45055$1t.2539787@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  0 "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message) news:t5jnp3ngunj70b@news.supernews.com... 8 > "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageJ > news:910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284B99@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net...
 > > Peter, > > F > > You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I see the internalK > > announcements of Customer OpenVMS wins (both new Customers and existing L > > ones) and they are significant - much more so than a year ago. And these > are  > > large Customers. > >  > C > This seems like it's part of the problem.  Why are they "internal J > announcements"?  They should be press releases and they should be posted to > comp.os.vms. > K > It's not likely that we'll see an article in ComputerWorld every time you > > send them an OpenVMS press release but it will influence the editors/writersX > perception of OpenVMS. >   F Yep. And it will likely take more than writing and dispatching a pressG release. Why, someone might have to pick up the phone and call Jaikumar(C Vijayan at ComputerWorld (508 820 8220) or send email to the guy at K jaikumar.vijayan@computerworld.com in order to pitch a story. Any competento" marketeer would know that, though.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:12:13 -0300b) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bre= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionbL Message-ID: <OF3DAF2529.9C104B81-ON032569CE.0062E4A3@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  E In my personal opinion I belive it=B4s important to create an OpenVMSe< Consortium joining companies which develop softwares for the OpenVMS platform.a  H The power of the Linux community  comes from this kind on initiative...= . A Why not join Compaq + Oracle + BEA + Cognos + Process + Raxco etcRC in an OpenVMS group. At least begining to reconsquest old customers/  (the magic number: 450.000).....  @ For example: Sun Microsystems ships Solaris for Intel and Oracle in a US$ 75,00 package....  < Compaq should ship the OpenVMS plus some commercial products in a CD....    Regardsm   FC        > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> em 08/01/2001 14:44:34             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       = Assunto: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionr    ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:2 > C > I definitely go with Terry on this one.  The DII-COE work is veryd	 importantr6 > to the future of VMS and future application support.  H When I see these "DII-CEO" commitments, the first thing that comes to m= ind  isH that famous long term commitment to ensure that VMS will exist x years = fromH now. And this is the part that bears no credibility because even Palmer=  hadH made similar promises. OS2 still exists and is still supported, and own= erse ofH Commodore PETs can still operate their machines with the 8k of ram they=   have.MH The way I see it, it just means that Compaq is willing to pay for the l= ife-3 support equipment once VMS enters a comatose state.a  H If DII-CEO included instead a marketing commitment, I woudl be far more=   comfortable.  H I have to agree tough that it is true that the unix-system-services asp= ect  ofF the program is a big positive. It is a foundation that will give VMS a betterH chance. However, even with DII-COE, lack of marketing will still leave = VMSi in@ a semi comatose state and remain totally unkown in the industry.         =    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2001 17:13:05 GMTo2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)= Subject: RE: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution0, Message-ID: <93csf1$t2v@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  | In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284B99@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes: >Peter, 1 >>>> Or the new edu program (I can't use it). <<<h > ? >Sure you can. The legaleze wording just needs to be clarified.o  B Kerry, you cannot sweep the corpse of a dead elephant under a rug.  K He really can't use that program and neither can I.  The "legaleze" isn't aAJ minor point, that license agreement specifically forbids us from using theD licenses to do any useful work with those licenses on our machines. H Furthermore, the program only offers single user licenses and we all runK multiuser machines. There were numerous other problems as well.  I consider G Compaq's behavior with regard to this new program as the single biggestkJ indicator that they either really want us all gone, and quicly, or that ifI they really do want to help us, then they're astoundingly incredibly slow-J and incompetent at getting it done.  Neither message is one most company's' would care to send to their customers. :  F Look, it isn't like we have not gone as far as we could to help CompaqH with this, letting them know all along the way what it is we needed and H what it was we could and could not accept.  Seems like customer feedbackF goes straight into the dumpster unless it's accompanied by a check forJ millions of dollars.  Anyway, I even went so far as to rewrite the licenseH agreement into a usable form and sent it directly to R. Marcello a monthJ ago, but nothing has happened (that I know about) in the interim.  Just toD see how much "clarification" that agreement needed, I've attached myJ modified variant after my signature. Please compare it to the original and> you'll see that there were a lot of very significant changes.      David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech OJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************  K The following text is a suggested license agreement for the Compaq academiceJ program.   It is based on the current license, but differs from it in manyI signficant ways.  It contains changes that should make the program usefulwG to current and new academic VMS users. It does not address other aspect G of the program which also need work, such as an inexpensive method for . distributing the binaries.  H NOTICE, THIS IS ****NOT**** THE LICENSE THAT COMPAQ CURRENTLY OFFERS!!!!  F ______________________________________________________________________  0                             Terms and Conditions   Administration TermsG A registration number for this program is only issued to an educational E institution and may only be provided to students and employees of the'J institution. Those at the educational institution to whom the registrationL number is distributed must agree to the following in order to access license> keys for any of the software products covered by this program.  9 SOFTWARE PROGRAM: OpenVMS and Associated Layered Softwareo QUANTITY: 1 Individual m  K This document is the legal agreement governing your use of the Software ande; associated License Keys.  OpenVMS Educational License Termse  7                       OpenVMS EDUCATIONAL LICENSE TERMSr  
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Normal academic research and teaching activitiesF      which utilize the Software and are funded by internal or externalI      grants, gifts, fellowships and the like are allowed.  Any other work-H      performed or produced as a result of use of this Software cannot beJ      performed or produced for the benefit of parties outside the academicF      institution for a fee, compensation or any other reimbursement or      remuneration.  D      This license is granted to a named individual at an educationalK      institution and not to any public, private or governmental institution@L      or entity.  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IfnK you have any questions concerning this Agreement, please contact your local"F COMPAQ sales office or write to: Compaq Computer Corporation, SoftwareL Business Practices, ZKO1-2/D22, 110 Spit Brook Road, Nashua, NH. 03062-2802.  J COMPAQ and the Compaq logo Registered in U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.C All other product names mentioned herein may be trademarks of theiru respective companies.e* Copyright 2000 Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:32:19 -0600a+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> = Subject: RE: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionnN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284BA9@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   John,e  I >>> Why are they "internal announcements"?  They should be press releases + and they should be posted to comp.os.vms.<<'  L Many Customers do not want their IT spending habits broadcast to the public. This is true of all platforms.  K Some may view it as competitive information, some may view it as a security.K issue (telling the world what types of internal systems you have), and some I may have internal political issues (certain IT platform being seen as the L direction for an entire company as opposed to one department), some may haveL policies against specific vendor endorsements in multi-platform environments (common in govt markets).   G It usually takes a long time to go through the proper channels to get aL testimonal.   L However, readers might be interested in the following url for recent OpenVMS& testimonials that have been completed:9 <http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs/quotes/etrade.html>i> <http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs/quotes/bankaustria.html>9 <http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs/quotes/cerner.html>.? <http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs/quotes/intersystems.html>FA <http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs/quotes/northern_light.html> < <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/gsseries/quotes.html> more ..  G And in case and readers would like access to recent brochures that have* become available, check out:2 <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/>   Regards,   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant* Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services* Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----* From: John Vottero [mailto:John@mvpsi.com] Sent: January 8, 2001 10:39 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutioni    6 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageH news:910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284B99@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net... > Peter, >oD > You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I see the internalI > announcements of Customer OpenVMS wins (both new Customers and existing J > ones) and they are significant - much more so than a year ago. And these area > large Customers. >a  A This seems like it's part of the problem.  Why are they "internaleK announcements"?  They should be press releases and they should be posted toe comp.os.vms.  I It's not likely that we'll see an article in ComputerWorld every time yourL send them an OpenVMS press release but it will influence the editors/writers perception of OpenVMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2001 08:20:08 -0500t, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler); Subject: RE: DCL: Retrieving file version from OPEN commandi+ Message-ID: <d9yJZHYqF$j8@eisner.decus.org>D   In article <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FE06F@seantexch.unitedad.com>, Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> writes:- > K > Just a different way to skin the cat ( why people skin cats I don't know)o > Terry  >   > Haven't you seen the bumper sticker?  They taste like chicken.   OK, I'm not a cat fancier.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation.= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:43:06 GMT # From: Mark Sterk <strong@chello.nl>f Subject: Re: DEC 3000 model 300C) Message-ID: <3A5A0905.4B33DDC4@chello.nl>a   m_stanifer@my-deja.com wrote:n  F > I wonder if I am having the same type problem? I have a DEC 2000 300E > AXP (jensen) I have tried loading Open VMS on it and when it startseH > booting it gets to the same point everytime and the screen goes black.I > I had thought it was about when the x-window server was taking over thee< > display ... but I don't know vms much so I can only guess.E > Recently I recieved a copy of OSF v3.2 I loaded that and all seemed.B > well till it gets to the login screen then .... black screen ...H > There are two 1 gig disks on this machine I want to run OSF on one andD > VMS on the other ... if anyone has any help at all I would be most > greatful.y > Thanks > Mike Stanifere >o > Sent via Deja.como > http://www.deja.com/  E You probably have a Mach64 videocard, a colleague of mine had similara0 problems and he was running NT4.0 on his Jensen.  H Replace the card for one with a S3 trio64, trio64+ or S3-Virge chip theyI are supported under OSF,TRU64,NT,Linux and VMS and are a lot faster and ac  lot more stable than the Mach64.I Those cards are very cheap (<$25,00 if you can' t get one for free) so its" always pays of to do this upgrade.     Success, Mark   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:54:19 +0200- From: "Jaan Kronberg" <jaan.kronberg@mail.ee>   Subject: easysoft's odbc for rms- Message-ID: <3a59e242$0$196@diablo.uninet.ee>   
 Hello all,  > Does anyone have any experience with subject on OpenVMS Alpha?  K Easiest way, of course, is to install and to test mentioned software, but Ih? would like to hear experienced users/administrators opinions...a   Thx in advance,   
 Jaan Kronberg.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:21:09 +0000.- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>r, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again) Message-ID: <3A59E8F5.FAFA9B75@bbc.co.uk>    Paul Sture wrote:e   >eM > And coincidentally I came across another example yesterday. The UK NationaloP > Westminster bank had committed itself to NT big time about 3-4 years ago and IO > did an AltaVista search on +"National Westminster" +NT. Quite a lot of links,yJ > but so many resulting in a 404 error that I gave up. Whilst I am used toD > seeing a few broken links here and there, I've never seen so many!  J  They really should be forced to publicly state why they "gave up" and howK much the failed NT implementation cost. After all, as VMS people, it is ourmM livelihoods they have been "attacking" with their tin-pot "IT is cheap if itsa Micro$"e	 attitude.I --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukg  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofr MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:00:44 +0000m  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet againH Message-ID: <OFC00267BB.5EF93D13-ON802569CE.005CDEE5@qedi.quintiles.com>   But you can get zero downtime :uK - Maintenance work doesn't result in downtime because it's a planned outagec- and your users shouldn't have been logged in.6H - Crashes don't result in downtime because they're Maintenance Work that has zero notice.I - Any crash that occurs after 18:00 or before 08:00 doesn't count towards<J anything because there wasn't an operator on site to see it (like the treeH that falls down in the forest when nobody's around or the man who speaks* when there's no woman around to hear him).   Therefore, there's no downtime.  Q.E.D.  4 Terry Kennedy (terry at gate dot tmk dot com) wrote:I >>>  Also, there is an incredible amount of "scheduled maintenance" which  haseG some or all of the site down for 4+ hours every week, and I'm sure theyu- don't count that when reporting their uptime.s  I   Performance like this would get technical management canned at any old-tK school company. But in a dot-com, you can get away with anything - at leastu until there's competition...<<<w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:53:34 +0000 ) From: Ray Phelan <Ray.Phelan@core-com.ie> 3 Subject: FW: START/QUE/SEARCh command.....Need help.L Message-ID: <81A01A7F3499D411A1C000508B655FCB025009@relay-mgr-2-b.indigo.ie>   > All, > D > We have a DCL menu facility for our clients, to restart printing a< > report from a string, using the START/QUE/SEARCH commands. > D > This was working fine, until recently we have moved our clients toG > Alpha DS10, running VMS 7.2-1.  The print queue is a LAT print queue.e > @ > When the users now use this facility, it puts the queue into aC > "RESUMING" state, and brings the box to a grinding halt.  UsuallymG > before this happens, we reboot the box, this also clears the state ofc > the print queue. > D > Is there a patch fix or bug fix for this problem, or is it a known! > problem with a work around.????i >  >  >  >  Regards,  
 Ray Phelan (Systems Administrator)   F ********************************************************************** Private and Confidential *  A This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential.   A They are intended solely for the use of the intended recipient.  *E The content of this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may have ? been changed or altered without the consent of the author.  If r@ you are not the intended recipient, please note that any review,; dissemination, disclosure, alteration, printing, copying ore7 transmission of this e-mail and/or any file transmittedr, with it is prohibited and may be unlawful.    F Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual senderB except where the sender specifically states them to be the view of Core Computer Consultants Ltd.  H If you have received this e-mail and/or any file transmitted with it in  error, please notify     Core Computer Consultants Ltd.,i 23, Upper Cork Street,
 Mitchelstown,s Co. Cork, Ireland.    Telephone number: +353-25-84678.  Fax             : +353-25-84016. Email		: helpdesk@core-com.iet www		: http//www.core2000.ieF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:44:04 +0000p) From: Ray Phelan <Ray.Phelan@core-com.ie>E% Subject: FW: start/que/search problemdL Message-ID: <81A01A7F3499D411A1C000508B655FCB025006@relay-mgr-2-b.indigo.ie>   All,  B We have a DCL menu facility for our clients, to restart printing a: report from a string, using the START/QUE/SEARCH commands.  H This was working fine, until recently we have moved our clients to Alpha? DS10, running VMS 7.2-1.  The print queue is a LAT print queue.d  > When the users now use this facility, it puts the queue into aH "RESUMING" state, and brings the box to a grinding halt.  Usually beforeH this happens, we reboot the box, this also clears the state of the print queue.  B Is there a patch fix or bug fix for this problem, or is it a known problem with a work around.????o         Regards,  
 Ray Phelan (Systems Administrator)o  F ********************************************************************** Private and Confidential    A This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential.  mA They are intended solely for the use of the intended recipient.   E The content of this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may have"? been changed or altered without the consent of the author.  If a@ you are not the intended recipient, please note that any review,; dissemination, disclosure, alteration, printing, copying or 7 transmission of this e-mail and/or any file transmittedd, with it is prohibited and may be unlawful.    F Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual senderB except where the sender specifically states them to be the view of Core Computer Consultants Ltd.  H If you have received this e-mail and/or any file transmitted with it in  error, please notify d   Core Computer Consultants Ltd.,r 23, Upper Cork Street,
 Mitchelstown,T Co. Cork, Ireland.    Telephone number: +353-25-84678.  Fax             : +353-25-84016. Email		: helpdesk@core-com.iec www		: http//www.core2000.ieF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:49:15 +0000f) From: Ray Phelan <Ray.Phelan@core-com.ie>n% Subject: FW: start/que/search problemaL Message-ID: <81A01A7F3499D411A1C000508B655FCB025008@relay-mgr-2-b.indigo.ie>   All,  B We have a DCL menu facility for our clients, to restart printing a: report from a string, using the START/QUE/SEARCH commands.  H This was working fine, until recently we have moved our clients to Alpha? DS10, running VMS 7.2-1.  The print queue is a LAT print queue.   > When the users now use this facility, it puts the queue into aH "RESUMING" state, and brings the box to a grinding halt.  Usually beforeH this happens, we reboot the box, this also clears the state of the print queue.  B Is there a patch fix or bug fix for this problem, or is it a known problem with a work around.????l       Regards,  
 Ray Phelan (Systems Administrator)o  F ********************************************************************** Private and Confidential N  A This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential.   A They are intended solely for the use of the intended recipient.  mE The content of this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may have ? been changed or altered without the consent of the author.  If  @ you are not the intended recipient, please note that any review,; dissemination, disclosure, alteration, printing, copying ort7 transmission of this e-mail and/or any file transmitteda, with it is prohibited and may be unlawful.    F Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual senderB except where the sender specifically states them to be the view of Core Computer Consultants Ltd.  H If you have received this e-mail and/or any file transmitted with it in  error, please notify f   Core Computer Consultants Ltd.,s 23, Upper Cork Street,
 Mitchelstown,  Co. Cork, Ireland.    Telephone number: +353-25-84678.  Fax             : +353-25-84016. Email		: helpdesk@core-com.ie  www		: http//www.core2000.ieF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:05:18 +0000 8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> Subject: RE: How many..tL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240112020@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  - > How may systems manager per Alpha systems..n  I Even when systems are well configured with adequate resources there is no E definite answer to this question. One person could conceivably manageSJ hundreds of stable systems but when systems are heavily used with frequentK software, hardware and administrative changes one system manager per system J may not be unreasonable. I think you'll have to determine how much supportJ effort is involved to run your particular systems and then decide how many* people you require to provide that effort.   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2001 16:10:14 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)F Subject: Re: How many.. , Message-ID: <93cop6$23g6$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>   Hmmmm.  Let's see.   I have:e      1 NT Server.       1 Windows 2000 Server     17 x86 Unix Servers       6 Sparc Unix Serversi     45 Desktops Win NT/2000/98     12 Desktops Unix     10 Plan9
     18 Amoeban
      4 QNX      4 VAX/VMSG probably a dozen other less used but still maintained systems like 3B'snF SGI's and oh hes, a couple of PDP-11's including the only one known to$ still actually be running Ultrix-11.  ? Networks??  All are networked plus I maintain 5 dialup subnets.r   How many administrators??a   Just little old me.e   bill   -- nJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   S   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:48:12 +0000y- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>e Subject: Re: How many..o) Message-ID: <3A59EF4C.F226AF07@bbc.co.uk>-   Bill Gunshannon wrote:   >0 >1 > How many administrators??K >y > Just little old me.m  4 You do take holidays occasionally, I hope, bill? :-)  @ More seriously, if you REALLY need someone on support every hourC of every day, you are gonna need 3 people minimum covering whatevercE systems you have. Otherwise, one on vacation and one sick and you arecG without cover. They may not all need to be the same level of expertise.a  A In less mission critical environments, you may get away with only  one or two sysmgrs.o --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofe MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2001 12:05:56 -0500 * From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) Subject: Re: How many..i+ Message-ID: <My7WYzIQUBJD@eisner.decus.org>L  Y In article <3A59EF4C.F226AF07@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:S >  >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >  >> >> >> How many administrators?? >> >> Just little old me. > 6 > You do take holidays occasionally, I hope, bill? :-) > B > More seriously, if you REALLY need someone on support every hourE > of every day, you are gonna need 3 people minimum covering whateverpG > systems you have. Otherwise, one on vacation and one sick and you areoI > without cover. They may not all need to be the same level of expertise.e >   9 	Vacations?  That's what cell phones and laptops are for.u  C > In less mission critical environments, you may get away with onlye > one or two sysmgrs.e  	 	Depends.n   				RobC   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:07:26 GMT- From: jbecker@ui.urban.org Subject: Re: How many.. ) Message-ID: <93cvkl$ulq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>h  B To decide how many people it takes to support a given environment,B having a list of systems is really only one of the inputs into the	 decision.K  ? The real issue is whether the current staff size is meeting the1B organization's business needs (coverage, uptime, customer service, responsiveness, etc.).  @ Factors that can affect whether it takes more or fewer people to? support a given number of boxes include: coverage requirements, G volatility of the environment, variety of duties, size of the workload,a@ and the amount of overlap desired/available in various skills or knowledge areas.  ) In article <935mq2$g7g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,e   k_knutson@my-deja.com wrote:B > I have recently been tasked to come up with a number of how manyB > techi's does it take to support our network.  We are growing and= > accounting would like to know when we need to add Techi's..  >-2 > So here is the question..  and Where do I look.. >0- > How may systems manager per Alpha systems..o@ >          (we currently have 2 to 3 for  about 8 Alpha systems) > 4 > How may network admin per systems on the network.. >e& > and do say to much like it or not... >s5 > How may NT administrators per NT systems are neededt >                   as well as2 > How may NT administrators per Desktop/PC users.. > : > Any constructive help is greatly appreciated.. and yes..; > I did have the "NT" word but like it or not Compaq didn't.; > do us old VMS people any help..  and NT is here to stay..- >-
 > thanks.. kko >e > Sent via Deja.com  > http://www.deja.com/ >t   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)r7 Encompass ESILUG (http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/esilug/)s     Sent via Deja.com- http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2001 18:00:40 GMTt1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: How many..3, Message-ID: <93cv88$2669$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  + In article <My7WYzIQUBJD@eisner.decus.org>, -  young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:I\ |> In article <3A59EF4C.F226AF07@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes: |> >   |> >   |> > Bill Gunshannon wrote:h |> > t |> >>o |> >>  |> >> How many administrators??e |> >>  |> >> Just little old me.n |> > m9 |> > You do take holidays occasionally, I hope, bill? :-)S |> > I  C Funny you should mention that.  I just took off the last week and ahD half before the holiday break in order to use up some of my vacationC time (use it or loose it!!  5 days can be carried over officially.)yD My boss mentioned that this was a bad thing.  I should take off moreB time during the year.  Of course his concern was more for the factG that I would be away for such a long period of time.  As it turned out, C I got called in on the first day off and worked 18 hours recovering3F from a hardware failure.  So instead of using up a day, I added 2 more to the list.  E |> > More seriously, if you REALLY need someone on support every hourdH |> > of every day, you are gonna need 3 people minimum covering whateverJ |> > systems you have. Otherwise, one on vacation and one sick and you areL |> > without cover. They may not all need to be the same level of expertise. |> > i |>  < |> 	Vacations?  That's what cell phones and laptops are for.  C And cable modem systems.  For a number of years my boss paid for myiF dialup connection form home because it guaranteed I would be availableF when problems arose.  Usually knowing about them before the users evenF noticed.  I pay my own way now, but I do still monitor everything evenH when I am home.  Vacations are fun, but it usually means a pile of stuffH waiting when I get back and at least one paniced phone call from someoneI in the department.  Maybe that's why I always leave the country any more.e   |> eF |> > In less mission critical environments, you may get away with only |> > one or two sysmgrs.  D I think my boss would argue with you about wether or not our systemsD are mission critical, but the fact is I'm all there is.  And knowingE the mindset of the people higher up than my boss, I have been feelingsF less and less secure in my current position.  At my age, that is not a comfortable feeling.   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:48:51 GMTt From: rjdurkee@yahoo.com% Subject: I Need a DEC terminal serveri) Message-ID: <93cgg1$gj4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   D Does anyone have a DEC DS500 or DS700 terminal server that works andE they would like to sell? These devices are no longer available as far G as I can tell, and I need one. Actually I probably should get two - onetD for a backup. Or does anyone know of somewhere to buy these devices? Thanks.e Rich Durkee      Sent via Deja.comm http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:27:16 +0100s5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>t) Subject: Re: I Need a DEC terminal serverr- Message-ID: <3A59CE44.BEC19E95@whitehouse.nl>r   rjdurkee@yahoo.com wrote:  > F > Does anyone have a DEC DS500 or DS700 terminal server that works andG > they would like to sell? These devices are no longer available as fardI > as I can tell, and I need one. Actually I probably should get two - onefF > for a backup. Or does anyone know of somewhere to buy these devices?  @ The DS700 is still available, check www.dnpg.com, they own theseF products these days. The DS500 is a completely different beast and hasF been retired for ages. You probably don't want to have one of these...   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:59:31 +01005 From: "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr>iE Subject: Jserv  + apache + CWS warning : please recompile with -DEAPI-$ Message-ID: <3a59c6a0@news.euriware>       Error in log file :h  K [warn] Loaded DSO jserv/src/c/mod_jserv.exe uses plain Apache 1.3 API, thish? module might crash under EAPI! (please reompile it with -DEAPI)g       Any Idea ....    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:21:39 -05003 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com>RI Subject: Re: Jserv  + apache + CWS warning : please recompile with -DEAPI 6 Message-ID: <93cidg$k51$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  < Philippe Bocher wrote in message <3a59c6a0@news.euriware>... >    Error in log file : >nL >[warn] Loaded DSO jserv/src/c/mod_jserv.exe uses plain Apache 1.3 API, this@ >module might crash under EAPI! (please reompile it with -DEAPI) >c >    Any Idea .... >   K This was a known problem in our Apache 1.3.12 kits. It should not cause anyeL problems when running the server and/or jserv. This problem was fixed in our' CSWS V1.0 and corresponding JSERV kits.*   Gaitan D'Antoni*. Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderC http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.htmli Compaq Computer Corporatione   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2001 09:52:57 GMT-7 From: Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann)a Subject: locked file0 Message-ID: <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-0d8gmrvGZTCH@Tom2>   OpenVMS 7.1 on Alpha  4 If I try to purge older Versions of a self developed+ function library, I get the error message :n  # %PURGE-W-FILNOTPUR, error deleting t+ DKA300:[USER.HAHNEMANN.LIB]MYLIB_SHR.EXE;21u1 -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another users   it was installed asd  6 instal create /share/header_res/nolog MYLIB_SHR /write  ; before I try to purge it, it seems that there is no processe3 running which could use it and I've removed it fromi& the istalled files list by the command   install remove MYLIB_SHR  5 Any idea how to unlock it or to get information which  process locks this file ?4   Thanks in advance    Thomas Hahnemann   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:44:31 GMT*/ From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>* Subject: Re: locked file) Message-ID: <93c5me$8he$1@nnrp1.deja.com>:  G sho dev/files should tell you what PID is using it - pid 0 means systemtG i.e. it is still installed - I believe it won't deinstall if someone is@E using it but can just wait until the processes using it stop and then  de-installse   I may be a bit wrong there??  E However, last week I had a problem where this should no usage and yett+ the file appeared locked so it may not helpa  A Does anyone know if the file locks appear in the SDA SHO resource 6 screens and if so what the name of the lock would be??   Mike   --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer     Sent via Deja.comt http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2001 12:58:46 GMTs7 From: Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann)? Subject: Re: locked file0 Message-ID: <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-DC9SfVE9Mu3D@Tom2>   Thanks for reply,*  0 sh dev /file shows that a system process (pid 0)) has locked that. but it is not installed.r instal list MYLIB_SHR says : Known File entry not found.o  1 I can produce this behaviour by reinstall the libo0 without stopping the processes they use it. Then+ the file is opened twice. After terminationu+ of the processes it is still openend once. o How can I close it ?0 Now I've tried to delete it after that reinstall. experiment. sh dev /file still shows an opened2 file with a high version number, but delete seems + successful, I'can't find the file nowhere. .1 If I create now a new version, it starts with ;1. 2 Perhaps the purge error arises if I try to install2 a higher version than the still opened. That means5 the purge error does not arise at the first reinstalll I have to do it for a while.   Regards    Thomas Hahnemann        G On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:44:31, Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> o wrote:  I > sho dev/files should tell you what PID is using it - pid 0 means system.I > i.e. it is still installed - I believe it won't deinstall if someone is*G > using it but can just wait until the processes using it stop and then-
 > de-installs- >  > I may be a bit wrong there?? > G > However, last week I had a problem where this should no usage and yets- > the file appeared locked so it may not helpC > C > Does anyone know if the file locks appear in the SDA SHO resourceu8 > screens and if so what the name of the lock would be?? >  > Mike >  > --D > All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
 > employer >  >  > Sent via Deja.com  > http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:03:25 -0000E From: "Dane Maslen" <dane.maslen@real-address-withheld-to-avoid-spam>r4 Subject: Re: LPD or TELNET queue failover in cluster( Message-ID: <qGn66.15$Gd.444@news2-hme0>  G samalsson@my-deja.com wrote in message <92s7rh$hgv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...tG >How do I create a clusterwide LPD or TELNET queue using OpenVMS V7.2-1 7 >and TCP/IP V5.0A on Alpha with failover capabilities ?*D >I would like to have either an LPD or  TELNET queues with autostart6 >specified on both node in a cluster. Is it possible ?    H Certainly (or at least it certainly was for UCX!).  What follows is fromJ rather dim memory (it's nearly a year since I did any full-time VMS systemH management), but should at least get you going in the right direction...  I For Telnet I don't think there's any requirement other than to initializelJ the queue appropriately (other than the obvious requirement to have TCP/IP7 properly configured on both nodes), e.g. something likeu  A     $ INIT /QUEUE /AUTOSTART=(node1::"tcpip-address:tcpip-port",-dI         node2::"tcpip-address:tcpip-port") /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM etcv  G WARNING:  I'm not sure I've got the quotes in the right position, and Ia. might have the symbiont executable name wrong.  @ For LPD things are a little more troublesome.  Either you need aK cluster-wide printcap file or you need to make an appropriate entry in both.L node-specific printcap files.  But once that's done you should be able to do something like  7     $ INIT /QUEUE /AUTOSTART=(node1::"printcap-entry",-*<         node2::"printcap-entry") /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$LPDSYM etc  G WARNING:  I'm fairly sure I've got something wrong in this example.  Its doesn't quite look right to me..  K I hope that helps once you've worked your way past the errors introduced by>
 my memory.   Dane Maslene   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:39:42 +01009 From: "Andrew Jones" <andrew.jones@atosorigin.com.nospam>n  Subject: Microsoft Message QueueY Message-ID: <0E16861EE7BCD111BE9400805FE6841F13CEBFC4@c1s5x001.cor.srvfarm.origin-it.com>    Hi,e: Is there an OpenVMS equivalent to Microsoft Message Queue?  L I think the requirement is for an OpenVMS app to access a SQLserver database on an NT box...    Cheers   Aj   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:50:55 +0000f$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk3 Subject: Re: Need FTSS V4.2 or higher for VAXft 810u/ Message-ID: <002569CE.004C1471.00@quegw01.btyp>f  L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    L AFAICT, the last version of FTSS on the condist CDs was version 2. I haven't= seen it on anything later than the end of 98/beginning of 99..  M It seems that he may have given you some duff information - certainly seems aeP big jump in a short period of time (V2.0 to V4.2) for a product that hadn't been updated for some time.   Steve Spires        @ "Alan E. Feldman" <alan48@my-deja.com> on 06/01/2001 12:50:33 AM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) L From:      "Alan E. Feldman" <alan48@my-deja.com>, 6 January 2001, 0:50 a.m.  & Need FTSS V4.2 or higher for VAXft 810            	 Hi there,   5 [This is a repost. No responses yet -- trying again.]a  E We have a VAXft 810 fault-tolerant system currently running VMS 5.5-2 , HF and would need to upgrade it to VMS v6.2.  > In order to maintain its fault-tolerant capacity, a Compaq/DECF representative told me that VAXft system services (FTSS) software v4.2C or above is required for VMS v6.2 upgrade.  (FTSS v2.0 is currently-F installed on the system). Unfortunately, our Compaq representative wasD not able to locate FT system service software anywhere since support for it was terminated.  E Can anyone help us find a copy of VAXft system services software v4.2uG or above?  Also, any info. and pointers in upgrading the VAXft 810 from)- VMS 5.5-2HF to 6.2 would be much appreciated.o   Thanks in advance!!!  & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a       --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItE is broken. Instead, use one of the addresses below, removing the long  wrong part first. Thanks.e   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)+ w: afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.comV5 h: alan48@dellnet.YouCantBelieveEverythingYouRead.comh     Sent via Deja.com, http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2001 15:51:31 GMTy2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: Need FTSS V4.2 or higher for VAXft 810-6 Message-ID: <93cnm3$l28$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  V In article <935q4n$j20$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> writes: ..I :We have a VAXft 810 fault-tolerant system currently running VMS 5.5-2HF n* :and would need to upgrade it to VMS v6.2. ..? :In order to maintain its fault-tolerant capacity, a Compaq/DECtG :representative told me that VAXft system services (FTSS) software v4.2 D :or above is required for VMS v6.2 upgrade.  (FTSS v2.0 is currentlyG :installed on the system). Unfortunately, our Compaq representative was E :not able to locate FT system service software anywhere since support  :for it was terminated.   E   AFAIK, FTSS V2.0-4 is the required version for OpenVMS VAX V6.2 and'G   V6.2-0HF, and the OpenVMS version V6.2-0HF is required for VAXft 810.v  H   I think I know where I can get my hands on a FTSSU04020 or FTSSU05020 >   kit, as well as where I can find a OpenVMS VAX V6.2-0HF kit.  H   Please have your Compaq representative contact me via e-mail.  (I willJ   see what I can scrounge up, and what (internal) pointers I can provide.)    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 02:19:32 -0500c2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)/ Subject: Need KZTSA information / documentationoL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0801010219320001@user-2iveal5.dialup.mindspring.com>   Hi all,h  D The KZTSA is a turbochannel option that provides a single fast wide F differential SCSI-2 port.  It was current in 1994 or 1995, and enjoys r living inside DEC 3000 boxes.  It's the only turbochannel option that's supported in VMS for multihost SCSI buses.  D Do any of you have access to a manual for the KZTSA?  An accessible,D online copy would be ideal.  Or if you could look up some stuff in a hard copy, that would help too.s  J I've got the DEC 3000 firmware upgrade manual, which includes a section on6 upgrading firmware in TC options, including the KZTSA.   Some specific questions so far:a  J 1.  Do we need to fiddle with a jumper on the board in order to enable theG firmware upgrade?  There seem to be two jumpers on the board.  What do   they do?   2.  >>> "test TCn ?" lists various on-board tests and utilities.  How can I change the SCSI ID of the KZTSA?  In a multi-host configuration, I'll need to I change one of the modules from the default of 7.  Does anyone know how toa8 interpret the on-board error logs ( >>> test TCn logs) ?  ? 3.  We have some modules that seem very sick.  The test reportsa "startup failed...5 err-mips rom object "pst-t" reported a severe error.".C (I don't know the exact context here, since I'm relaying this part -D second-hand.)  Is there a fix for this, short of sending the modulesD to Compaq?  If we get the firmware upgrader going, will the "repair"F option have a chance to fix this?  Or is this a totally different ROM?  G 4.  Slightly related:  Any good sources for "Y" cables for differentialI SCSI, to allow external termination of the bus instead of the on-board KZTSA terminators?  This would allow a multi-host bus to be unplugged from one  KZTSA while the other KZTSA kept the bus active.  I think the DEC part number for this Y cable was BN21W, but an off-brand equivalent would do.  I've never J seen a cable like this, but they sure look purdy in the clustering manual.C This is a hobbyist project, so cheap is an important consideration.s  " Thanks for any help you can offer.   -- r Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coma   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:38:07 GMTh? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson)  Subject: Re: Online backupsu. Message-ID: <3a597b5e.830073@news.demon.co.uk>  , On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 15:34:08 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:y  L >Ok, Kerry raised the question of applications that support on-line backups. >nI >What exactly is involved/expected for an application to support a backupm2 >operation without the application shutting down ?  = The best way is to ensure that all application data is alwayshC consistent.  Either the updates are singular and unrelated (Larry's D reply), or they're inside a transaction and the transaction recoveryC logs will be included in the backup set (John Vottero's reply was ap specific form of this).a  B If you do things this way, you'll also get crash recovery.  If youB can't do things this way, you need to consider whether or not yourA application can guarentee to recover from a system or applicationt crash while running.  E NB: The alternative is to provide programmed "quiet points" where thenE application internally brings itself to a consistent and quiet state.wF The backup operation would then run in this interval.  I've never beenC a fan of "quiet points", as they give the impression of consistency D without really providing it (see the crash recover paragraph above).   Jim.     Jim Johnson  Software Exploration, Ltd.' Software Navigation and Discovery Tools    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 06:56:53 -0500r2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> Subject: Re: Online backupsi* Message-ID: <3A59AB05.D92EA08E@oracle.com>   JF Mezei wrote:e > M > Ok, Kerry raised the question of applications that support on-line backups.v > J > What exactly is involved/expected for an application to support a backup3 > operation without the application shutting down ?   3 	depends what you want to back up.  if you're usingm; an Rdb database, you simply type RMU /BACKUP /ONLINE to get$< a transactionally consistant backup.  RMS files can be more 2 tricky.  CONVERT /SHARE can be used in many cases.   -- T> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:57:16 GMTd1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> " Subject: Re: OpenVMS opportunities2 Message-ID: <3A59C839.D3306E02@clarityconnect.com>  F Well that may be an option.  I forget what teams Laurie may be workingG with but I know our team is willing to hire full time telecommuters andlF may even do so shortly as I have been involved in some interviews.  IfH you want to telecommute and would like to work for the US CSC please seeG the OpenVMS Jobs link and look at the jobs listed for Colorado Springs,a+ CO as some of them may allow telecommuting.    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > "Laurie L. Vandenberg" wrote:d > >n& > > so sorry.  the correct address is: > >  > > lvandenberg@qwest.netb > >hD > > "Laurie L. Vandenberg" <lvandenberg@uswest.net> wrote in message1 > > news:vOs56.2166$Db1.290259@news.uswest.net...rM > > > If you are interested in OpenVMS job opportunities in Customer Support,  > > > please drop me an e-mail. 
 > > > Thanks-n > > >4! > > > Laurie.Vandenberg@qwest.netr > > >i > > >h > F > Rather depends on the location, unless full-time telecommuting is an	 > option.- >  > -- > David J. Dachterar > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/( > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.c   -- $D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:07:55 -0500.& From: Ken Robinson <ksrobin@erenj.com> Subject: PHP on VMS?7 Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010108110325.01be5c10@clmail>r  F I've started to play with PHP -- a server side scripting language for H dynamic Web Pages. The software is free and currently runs on Linux and K Windows in conjunction with the Apache server. I'm wondering if anyone has   tried to port this to VMS?  ( Relevant web site: <http://www.php.net/>   Ken Robinson ksrobin@erenj.comm   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:09:14 +01001 From: "Carlo Mussche" <vec.60730CM@memo.volvo.se>n Subject: samba3 Message-ID: <93c74r$96a6@eccws12.dearborn.ford.com>p   hello,  ' I have installed samba version 2.0.3 onPL a Alpha VMS 7.1 but everytime I want to map (from my NT-station) to a drive,9 I get the message (after supplying the correct password :t  " "the network name cannot be found"   how can I solve this?I     mvg, Carloe   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:10:48 -0500o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)/ Subject: Re: Sending messages to an applicationSL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0801011110480001@user-2ivec3g.dialup.mindspring.com>  [ In article <3A534925.A76098E7@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:    > Alan Greig wrote:3J > > Don't forget the simplest method to call an application and tell it toF > > open a file: Command line arguments passed to a spawned process. A* > > method common to Unix, Windows and VMS > K > Yes, but when that application (such as Netscape) is already running, youiP > don't want to start a new instance of Netscape, you just want netscape to seekN > a new URL, or perhaps just open a new browser window with your supplied URL.7 > It is that functionality which I wonder about on VMS.d   Netscape must have this ability on VMS, since BNU (Bookshelf Navigation Utility) can (sometimes) find an existing Netscape and cause it to open a file.    -- l Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:54:20 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>e Subject: Re: Source dor TSM021? 8 Message-ID: <reoj5toni2rhpbjuih4rm2t3gn4cpeb4nt@4ax.com>  < On 5 Jan 2001 13:15:55 PST, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken4 Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) wrote:  : >In article <vdpb5ts0ho5hvtp25jbop74iqd6neg3vhq@4ax.com>, - >    	Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:e >[...]I >> Co-incidentally someone here downloaded TSM021 from the DNPG site justtC >> a few days ago. He had no problems after fixing the record size.e >eI >        What did he set the  the  record  size  to?   I just did anothertI >    download  after  seeing  your post  (which  completed  successfully,i? >    unlike yesterday).  The file comes in (via Netscape) with:l  C I'i've emailed the guy who downloaded it as he doesn't follow c.o.voE ever day. You should get a direct reply which one of us can summarize  here.o     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2001 15:57:06 GMTa2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: SSH for VMS?s6 Message-ID: <93co0i$l28$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <gbad5tga35hmmoje18na5l8fvm7abbtq4q@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:: :I hope someone asked this already, but is this available?  F   The Frequently Asked/Answered Questions (FAQ) has SSH information...  H   If you don't have a copy of the OpenVMS FAQ available locally, please K   download it from MIT RTFM, Deja, or the OpenVMS Website.  Having a local dG   copy of the FAQ makes for quickers searches, faster answers, and for  1   less frequently asked (and answered) questions.A  8   I've had the full (text) version of the FAQ posted at:8     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.txt  	   Thanks!t  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2001 07:39:02 GMTd- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)eD Subject: Re: vax basic - can someone remind me how this works again?5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-6RydWxjl5qTq@localhost>1  ? On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 05:19:06, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote:u  4 > never? that's amazing. what if you need to process9 > a "binary" file? what about file encryption/decryption? < > what about a million other uses where the file isn't text?; > I even play with manipulating EXE files on a daily basis.t7 > then there's graphic images, raw files, and so forth.m  E Well when I need to do this I open the file in 'block' mode and read ,F it one 512 byte block at a time and meddle with what I need to meddle F with. Having said that most binary files can be read as 512 (or more) ? byte fixed length records. I'm at home so can't check or quote C examples but you could try :-t    ANAL /RMS filespecg  C which will give you a good idea which access method is appropriate.t   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 07:15:08 -0500 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>D Subject: Re: vax basic - can someone remind me how this works again?* Message-ID: <3A59AF4C.6C231917@oracle.com>   Randy Park wrote:- 	. 	. 	.8 > The only file I've seen on VMS that were not organized8 > as records are the page/swap files.  EXEs are 512 byte6 > fixed length records.  I've modified EXEs by reading6 > the block (record in this case) I want, and changing3 > the target byte(s) within the block.  The graphicN6 > image files I've seen have also been sequential with6 > 512 byte fixed length records.  If you do a DIR/FULL" > command, you'll see what I mean.  1 	"most" (at least the .rda, .snp, .rdb, .rdc) of M9 the Rdb data files are created without record attributes.n: of course, there are all sorts of things inside, but these7 files are for the most part accessed completely withoute RMS.  here's an example:  > MF_PERSONNEL.RDB;1            File ID:  (125,123,0)           7 Size:          171/171        Owner:    [RDB,LASTOVICA] " Created:    1-OCT-2000 01:58:21.56' Revised:    5-DEC-2000 13:25:36.55 (57)  Expires:   <None specified> " Backup:    30-DEC-2000 18:21:26.01 Effective: <None specified>a Recording: <None specified>  File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online rF File attributes:    Allocation: 171, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 09                     No version limit, Contiguous best try,? Record format:      Undefined, maximum 0 bytes, longest 0 bytes  Record attributes:  None   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:06:40 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>dT Subject: VMS dropped by EUREX (was: Compaq: A simple, affordable clusteringsolution), Message-ID: <3A5DDA10.A991B997@infopuls.com>   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > ~ > In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284B97@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes:N > >>>> If CPQ had intended to outswap VMS into hibernation mode, they wouldn'tI > >have bothered with V7.3, or with the Oracle partnership. I don't think M > >they'd be hiring developers, either. (If you're a Compaqtian and you bring 4 > >in a qualified VMS hire, you get a $5K bounty)<<< > >-J > >Yep, and likely the openVMS Engineering group would not be aggressivelyO > >hiring college graduates either ie. focus on long term, new idea's and goings > >after youth.f > > 
 > >Reference:iD > ><http://www.compaq.com/inFORM/issues/issue32/human-int-29-b.html> >  > Come on, Kerry.n= > We all know that OpenVMS engineering was never the problem.t@ > The marketing, ads and sales were and unfortunately still are. > D > Yes, the Q top management might have changed their mind about VMS,< > but what we still see here is, that VMS is on its way out. > H > And decisions where VMS is in the game are usually long term decision.F > We see VMS decline at customers which decided a couple of years ago.C > Some of them you might convince to keep with VMS, a greater blockeF > you already lost and the rest will continue to phase VMS out becauseH > they see nothing (except a small "me too" for some products) where VMSL > brings advantages to them. ("Cluster ? Hah ! Everyone has clusters now !") > O > We see hiring new engineers, we see new VMS versions (just like in the past),-M > but what else ? eg. Does anyone tried to revert the EUREX (biggest europeanoJ > stock exchange [system]) decision to drop VMS (and AIX; as a frontend) ?L > Don't tell me the front-end has no meaning. It is mostly the core opsys ofJ > all attached banks and if VMS is dropped at EUREX, almost all banks willH > start to drop VMS, too !! And this is the remaining key market where Q9 > thinks VMS should reside. Still no alarm bell ringing ?e > G > Remember AltaVista Firewall for OpenVMS ? It got cancelled many yearsdN > ago because of 1) no good TCPIP stack 2) too expensive 3) ergo no customers.G > A firewall with cluster support built in is an advantage, but alas...f > M > Or the new edu program (I can't use it). I see no happiness here in USENET.oK > I see some doubt (because of legal concerns). Without a broad acceptance,0J > it will not bring harvest in the short run. And for a long run, there isK > not enough time. I see no big spendings of cheap Alphas to edu institutesIJ > (If I see something from Q it is WINTEL, and this one is still better byK > other producers like DELL, HP and even IBM. I still wonder how Q got #1).i > L > David wrote umpteen times 'RIP VMS'. I begin to fear, he is right, becauseL > the speed (of revert the VMS damage) is too slow and too much time passed.J > And I hate this, because I know now about 15 different operating systemsJ > and VMS is by far the best. But is seems, not the best products survive. > F > And now consider, if I as a VMS bigot have fears about VMS's future,H > what do you think what the big mass of uninformed MGMs/PHMs chained to > WINTEL boxes think ? > I > Go on, a lot of work has to be done to motivate us again (and god knowsh! > how we want to see this happen)  >  > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888n> > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   Surprise, surprise.O6 I worked about a year for EUREX, though not in the VMS> department instead in the Internet/Intranet department. But to> my knowledge VMS will not be dropped in the forseeable future.9 Instead it is the plan to expand using VMS by selling the @ solution to other stock exchanges world wide. Currently the more; or less same system is used at Swiss Stock Exchange SWX andn; EUREX as the core part which is the order book and matchings@ system. I'd like to add a few words about the front end systems,8 the so called trading system, but unfortunately I'm only@ familiar with the SWX environment. The interface to the banks is= standardised. So basically the banks are free to use whatevern? they want. Most banks are using Solaris though there are two ors9 three using VMS. The SWX trading system has been based on @ Solaris and there is or will be a new generation based on M$ WNT; but the delivery is several years late due to defects in M$ @ [D]COM implementation which were impossible to clearly reproduce8 but which made the system unstable and anreliable. These> problems couldn't be fixed even though the SWX is a premium M$9 customer. To my knowledge the Solaris trading system wille< continue to be available. I doubt the replacement of AIX (by: what?) because the DBAG who runs the system is a major IBM customer, but I may wrong.@ I wonder if someone from the VMS group in Zurich or Frankfurt is able to clarify on this.< I would like to know where the "EUREX is dropping VMS" story! came from. Are there any sources?h< If this question stays open I can ask one of the responsible! people as I know some personally.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:16:49 -0500o0 From: Jason Fountain <Jason.Fountain@compaq.com>4 Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.0A ECO1] BIND Server errors ?* Message-ID: <3A59E7F1.80FF17C2@compaq.com>  T The 'zone dump failed' message is nothing to be worried about.  All it means is thatQ you have not specified the TCPIP$BIND_SERVER_MERGE_DYNAMIC_UPDATES logical.  ThissT logical tells the bind server, when receiving dynamic updates, to write the databaseT to disk (once per hour).  The problem with defining this logical is that when the db< is written, all formatting and comments of your db are lost.   -jason   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  F > I still see a lot of error messages in the BIND server logfile of myJ > primary DNS server (TCPIP V5.0-11). Installing the ECO1 didn't fix them. > J > Sun 07 00:00:22 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 00:49:09 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 01:48:01 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 02:21:02 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 03:11:14 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 03:41:35 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 04:20:22 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 05:18:10 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 06:02:15 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 06:53:51 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 07:23:55 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 08:07:42 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 09:06:44 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 10:04:52 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 10:39:05 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 11:11:20 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 11:54:57 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 12:35:36 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 13:31:20 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 14:15:16 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, reschedulingJ > Sun 07 14:57:36 ERROR: zone dump for 'kapsch.co.at' failed, rescheduling >0 > Is this a known bug ?M. > How to get more info about this (debug it) ?5 > Could be yet another BIND Server resource problem ?3 >E > or >yR > Sun 07 00:13:26 ERROR: error processing update packet id 14608 from [148.198.10. > 214].1454IR > Sun 07 00:17:04 ERROR: error processing update packet id 2832 from [148.198.10.8	 > 4].2379eR > Sun 07 00:26:42 ERROR: error processing update packet id 59402 from [148.198.10. > 244].4801 R > Sun 07 01:13:26 ERROR: error processing update packet id 16144 from [148.198.10. > 214].1710oR > Sun 07 01:17:04 ERROR: error processing update packet id 4368 from [148.198.10.8	 > 4].2390"R > Sun 07 01:26:42 ERROR: error processing update packet id 60938 from [148.198.10. > 244].4935 R > Sun 07 02:13:26 ERROR: error processing update packet id 17680 from [148.198.10. > 214].19679R > Sun 07 02:17:04 ERROR: error processing update packet id 5904 from [148.198.10.8	 > 4].2399oR > Sun 07 02:26:42 ERROR: error processing update packet id 62474 from [148.198.10. > 244].1099rR > Sun 07 03:13:26 ERROR: error processing update packet id 19216 from [148.198.10. > 214].2222pR > Sun 07 03:17:04 ERROR: error processing update packet id 7440 from [148.198.10.8	 > 4].2411fR > Sun 07 03:26:42 ERROR: error processing update packet id 64010 from [148.198.10. > 244].1233 R > Sun 07 04:13:26 ERROR: error processing update packet id 20752 from [148.198.10. > 214].2479 R > Sun 07 04:17:05 ERROR: error processing update packet id 8976 from [148.198.10.8	 > 4].2420nR > Sun 07 04:26:42 ERROR: error processing update packet id 11 from [148.198.10.244 > ].1369R > Sun 07 05:13:26 ERROR: error processing update packet id 22288 from [148.198.10. > 214].2734 R > Sun 07 05:17:05 ERROR: error processing update packet id 10512 from [148.198.10.
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 > 84].2541R > Sun 07 12:26:43 ERROR: error processing update packet id 12299 from [148.198.10. > 244].2451eR > Sun 07 13:13:28 ERROR: error processing update packet id 34576 from [148.198.10. > 214].4787oR > Sun 07 13:17:06 ERROR: error processing update packet id 22800 from [148.198.10.
 > 84].2608R > Sun 07 13:26:43 ERROR: error processing update packet id 13835 from [148.198.10. > 244].2585 R > Sun 07 14:13:28 ERROR: error processing update packet id 36112 from [148.198.10. > 214].1073tR > Sun 07 14:17:06 ERROR: error processing update packet id 24336 from [148.198.10.
 > 84].2628R > Sun 07 14:26:43 ERROR: error processing update packet id 15371 from [148.198.10. > 244].2722 R > Sun 07 15:13:28 ERROR: error processing update packet id 37648 from [148.198.10. > 214].1328m >tP > These 3 IP addresses belong to 3 different Win2000 (Terminal Server) machines. > J > So, it seems, BIND 8 (or at least TCPIP V5.0A-11 ECO1) has problems with  > DDNS packets from W2K systems. >h > Is this a known bug ?z > ? > Is there an unofficial patch for this (or another problems) ?a  > Is there an ECO 2 on its way ? >oD > May I have a TCPIP V5.1 [beta] (at least the BIND 9 server) soon ? >e > TIAD >9 > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e> > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:33:13 GMT * From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>Y Subject: [Update] APACHE (CSWS) + MOD_PERL = No private process logicals definablein LOGIw9 Message-ID: <Ick66.208582$DG3.5008301@news2.giganews.com>t  K I've experimented a little with this this weekend on another system runningwK the same version of VMS, TCPIP, Apache, etc that I can reboot at will..... -@ and now I understand it even less %-).... changing CHANNELCNT &  CTLPAGES had no effect.    Anyway:i  = For the sub-process APACHE$WWW_4 with mod_perl enabled I get:-: (This is generated using a SHOW LOG * in TEST-CGI-VMS.COM)    (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)     [kernel]3                         [no protection information]   2   "APACHE$CGI_USE_DCLCOM_FOR_IMAGES" [super] = "1"(   "APACHE$INPUT" [super] = "SYS$COMMAND"C   "APACHE_SCRIPT" [super] = "APACHE$ROOT:[000000]APACHE_SCRIPT.COM"f-   "APACHE_SHARED_SOCKET" [super] = "_BG3881:"b         = "_BG3880:"*   "PERL5LIB" [super] = "/apache$root/perl"6   "SYS$COMMAND" [super,confine] = "_BG3887" [terminal],   "SYS$COMMAND" [exec] = "_NLA0:" [terminal]%   "SYS$DISK" [super] = "APACHE$ROOT:"f$   "SYS$DISK" [exec] = "APACHE$ROOT:"4   "SYS$ERROR" [super,confine] = "_BG3892" [terminal],   "SYS$ERROR" [exec] = "_BG3889:" [terminal]D   "SYS$INPUT" [super,confine] = "_HLDRNS$DKA0:" [concealed,terminal]*   "SYS$INPUT" [exec] = "_NLA0:" [terminal]@   "SYS$OUTPUT" [super,confine] = "_BG3889:" [concealed,terminal]-   "SYS$OUTPUT" [exec] = "_BG3889:" [terminal]    "TT" [exec] = "_NLA0:"    7 But if I put a SHOW LOG * in the APACHE$WWW LOGIN.COM I- get:@ (It looks like my logicals defined in that LOGIN.COM ( CC$TEST )? and SYLOGIN.COM (EVE$INIT) are being created on initial startupc= but aren't being created in any APACHE sub-process afterward.4  9 IF I define APACHE$CGI_MODE to be 2 those APACHE specifichC process logicals DO appear in the process logicals, as they should.e   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)E     "CC$TEST" = "Testing..."#   "EVE$INIT" = "SYS$LOGIN:EVE.INIT"a!   "SYS$COMMAND" = "_HLDRNS$DKA0:"a   "SYS$DISK" = "APACHE$ROOT:"    "SYS$ERROR" = "_HLDRNS$DKA0:" )   "SYS$INPUT" [super] = "_HLDRNS$DKA200:"a&   "SYS$INPUT" [exec] = "_HLDRNS$DKA0:"   "SYS$NET" = "NL:"f(   "SYS$OUTPUT" [super] = "_HLDRNS$DKA0:"'   "SYS$OUTPUT" [exec] = "_HLDRNS$DKA0:"a0   "TT" = "APACHE$ROOT:[000000]APACHE$SERVER.COM"  C Unless there is something different in how a sub-process is createdhE by Apache when mod-Perl is enabled I'm at a loss..... and if that IS  3 what is happening I don't know enough to fix it....B   Ideas/suggestions welcome.   -Andy-   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.016 ************************