0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 09 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 18      Contents: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??" Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??" Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??" Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??" Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??" RE: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??" Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS?? 6 lpi prining: ln17  Re: 6 lpi prining: ln17 ! Re: Adding link libraries to DECC ! Re: Adding link libraries to DECC 6 Re: Asking an app to temporarily relinquish a resource2 Re: Auditing VMS system for identifier references? Bar Code printer Re: Bar Code printer Re: Bar Code printer Re: Bar Code printer best scsi CD_Rom drive to buy?, Re: Big Operator.log full of strage messages4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution Re: easysoft's odbc for rms # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again  Email, SMTP% and FAX Re: Email, SMTP% and FAX Re: FreeVMS  Re: Giving up on VMSP RE: HW/SW for Chip Fabs (was: Compaq: A simple,affordable cluster	ingsolution) sP RE: HW/SW for Chip Fabs (was: Compaq: A simple,affordable cluster	ingsolution) sP Re: HW/SW for Chip Fabs (was: Compaq: A simple,affordable clustering solution) s Re: Microsoft Message Queue  Re: Microsoft Message Queue  Re: Microsoft Message Queue * Re: Need KZTSA information / documentation* Re: Need KZTSA information / documentation Re: OpenVMS opportunities  Re: OpenVMS opportunities  Re: OpenVMS opportunities  Re: OpenVMS opportunities  Re: OpenVMS opportunities  Re: OpenVMS opportunities ! Re: Problem with linking C++ code & SCSI/disk error or Software/firmware ?* RE: SCSI/disk error or Software/firmware ?* Re: Tuning an RMS indexed HSM catalog file* Re: Tuning an RMS indexed HSM catalog file unexpected network error: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)> Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)> Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)> Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)> Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)P Re: [Update] APACHE (CSWS) + MOD_PERL = No private process logicalsdefinablein L  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 06:57:50 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>' Subject: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS?? ' Message-ID: <3A5AB66D.53AC0B01@home.nl>   # This is a message I sent to Oracle:   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  H I am not an Oracle expert, but we are discussing the future of Oracle on OpenVMS (V7.2-1 and higher).  B I have two Oracle statements, the first dates from september 1999.  H It says that Developer/2000 V1.6.1 will be the last version of Developer! Client Tools being ported to VMS.   " The second is dated November 2000.  D It says under product directions that there will be Oracle Developer Kits on OpenVMS.    G The discussion in my company is if we can develop, build and run Oracle B web-based applications on OpenVMS. These should not be front-end &F back-end sollutions, where OpenVMS is just a back-end database server,< and some front-end system should run the actual application.  C The OpenVMS system should run the complete application, and clients  should only run a browser.E Is it possible to build applications like that in the future, and how ! should it be done and developed ?   F Maybe you can tell me this in a few sentences, or point me to a URL on$ your website where it is explained.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------   This is the reply I got:  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------   Dirk,   G Oracle has no commitment on providing front end tools for OpenVMS, only  as a backend database on OpenVMS.   Regards,   Denay   I -------------------------------------------------------------------------     F What to think of this is my question. I don't see any reason to use a G VMS system as just a backend database server. Frontend & Backend setups H only make things complicated in many situations, and even if you want to use G such a setup, using the same OS on both the front-end and the back-end   would be far more logical.  B Futhermore I would like to see as much security as possible on the
 vulnarable6 frontend, that is why I would like to use VMS there.    F So my conclusion is that Oracle in effect is withdrawing from OpenVMS.  " Any comments ?? Any workarounds ??& (Compaq and Oracle, please read :-)) )   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:27:38 +0100 ( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>+ Subject: Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS?? & Message-ID: <3A5AE79A.9C0707C1@cli.de>   Dirk Munk wrote: > % > This is a message I sent to Oracle:  >  Have a look at/ http://www.openvms.compaq.com/solutions/oracle/   7 "... OpenVMS on AlphaServer platforms continues to be a +      very strategic platform for ORACLE..."   ? http://www.openvms.compaq.com/solutions/oracle/commitments.html      --  G Dem Phnomen eines Computerabsturzes wohnt ein stumpfer Starrsinn inne, A ein Starrsinn, im Vergleich zu dem die Bockigkeit eines Esels von G nahezu Einsteinscher Weisheit zu sein scheint.          (Stanislav Lem)   ( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.de C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:49:52 -00005 From: "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt> + Subject: Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS?? + Message-ID: <93eqgg$k3c$1@venus.telepac.pt>   + "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message ! news:3A5AB66D.53AC0B01@home.nl... % > This is a message I sent to Oracle:  > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > J > I am not an Oracle expert, but we are discussing the future of Oracle on > OpenVMS (V7.2-1 and higher). > D > I have two Oracle statements, the first dates from september 1999. > J > It says that Developer/2000 V1.6.1 will be the last version of Developer# > Client Tools being ported to VMS.  > $ > The second is dated November 2000. > F > It says under product directions that there will be Oracle Developer > Kits on OpenVMS.  H In a sense both statements are right. It is my understanding that V1.6.1J will be the last version of the "classic" Forms product to run on OpenVMS,5 supporting both DECWindows and ASCII-terminal access.   L However, the new Developer line also includes a 3-tier solution, running theH procedural part of Forms on a middle tier and the display part as a JavaI applet in the user's browser. This configuration is also called Developer J server. (BTW, the same is done with Reports and a Reports server). Up tillI now, this Forms server (that uses the same .FRM files as the old Forms on J OpenVMS and the Forms versions on Windows clients, and for which you wouldL develop using Designer/Develop on e.g. an NT platform) was not available for OpenVMS.  E The new Oracle Internet Application Server (or iAS) comprises amongst  others:  - Apache Web Server ' - Oracle Portal (formerly called WebDB)  - Forms Server - Reports Server	 - Caching   I The "statement of direction" I have from Oracle is that version 9 of this L iAS will be fully (or at least the parts mentioned above) ported to OpenVMS.F Availability iss expected beforme summer 2001. This statement is datedG november 2000. Unfortunately I cannot find this statement on either the D Oracle or Compaq web site, but I hope the above may have been enoughK information for you to ask more pertinent questions to the Oracle or Compaq  people.   
 Rob van Lopik    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:37:35 +0100! From: Luminy <luminyGG@iname.com> + Subject: Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS?? 8 Message-ID: <MPG.14c518fe6d7526b9896ba@news2.hexanet.fr>  7 Le Tue, 09 Jan 2001 06:57:50 GMT, Dirk Munk crivait...  ...KOUIK...  > D > Futhermore I would like to see as much security as possible on the > vulnarable8 > frontend, that is why I would like to use VMS there.   > H > So my conclusion is that Oracle in effect is withdrawing from OpenVMS.  3 Like Compuware, Progress, CA, Sybase and... pffffff   $ > Any comments ?? Any workarounds ??( > (Compaq and Oracle, please read :-)) )  " Rich, please, Make a miracle ! :-)   You can't ? So.... :-(     --  	 Luminy... 1 "Il n'y a qu'une vrit, mais chacun la sienne !"    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:25:17 -0500. From: "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com>+ Subject: Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS?? + Message-ID: <93fae7$22h$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   I There aren't many details, but the product roadmap would seem to indicate  that something is in the works:   B http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm   Around slides 25-28.   Ken Randell   K Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:3A5AB66D.53AC0B01@home.nl... % > This is a message I sent to Oracle:  > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > J > I am not an Oracle expert, but we are discussing the future of Oracle on > OpenVMS (V7.2-1 and higher). > D > I have two Oracle statements, the first dates from september 1999. > J > It says that Developer/2000 V1.6.1 will be the last version of Developer# > Client Tools being ported to VMS.  > $ > The second is dated November 2000. > F > It says under product directions that there will be Oracle Developer > Kits on OpenVMS. >  > I > The discussion in my company is if we can develop, build and run Oracle D > web-based applications on OpenVMS. These should not be front-end &H > back-end sollutions, where OpenVMS is just a back-end database server,> > and some front-end system should run the actual application. > E > The OpenVMS system should run the complete application, and clients  > should only run a browser.G > Is it possible to build applications like that in the future, and how # > should it be done and developed ?  > H > Maybe you can tell me this in a few sentences, or point me to a URL on% > your website where it is explained.  > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >  > This is the reply I got: > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >  > Dirk,  > I > Oracle has no commitment on providing front end tools for OpenVMS, only  > as a > backend database on OpenVMS. > 
 > Regards, >  > Denay  > K > -------------------------------------------------------------------------  >  > G > What to think of this is my question. I don't see any reason to use a I > VMS system as just a backend database server. Frontend & Backend setups J > only make things complicated in many situations, and even if you want to > use H > such a setup, using the same OS on both the front-end and the back-end > would be far more logical. > D > Futhermore I would like to see as much security as possible on the > vulnarable6 > frontend, that is why I would like to use VMS there. > H > So my conclusion is that Oracle in effect is withdrawing from OpenVMS. > $ > Any comments ?? Any workarounds ??( > (Compaq and Oracle, please read :-)) )   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:19:46 -0600 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> + Subject: RE: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS?? N Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284BB3@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   Dirk,   J Please do not base any future strategy decisions on one person from OracleJ who may not fully understand the question you are asking (and who does not3 have a title and phone number in their response).     I These types of decisions should be based on responses from Oracle Product  Management.   K Anyway, imho, the official word for OpenVMS and Oracle is very good.  Fwiw, I we have a number of recent "wins" whereby Customers have chosen Oracle on , OpenVMS as their future strategic platforms.  ? Oracle has recently announced changes in its future strategies.    These can be viewed at: > <http://www.oracle.com/corporate/press/index.html?228177.html>% <http://platforms.oracle.com/compaq/>   E Here is an extract from the November 2000 Statement of Direction from  Oracle:    +++ H The following Oracle products are planned on Alpha OpenVMS. Please checkL with your Oracle account representative for an up-to-date plan and schedule:D .	Oracle 8i v8.1.6.2 (will be certified to run as a backend database for Oracle Applications 11i)E .	Oracle 8i v8.1.7 (with RMAN & Oracle HTTP Server powered by Apache)  .	Oracle 9i E .	Oracle iAS (Standard Edition with Oracle Apache HTTP Server, Oracle K Portal Services, Oracle JVM, and Oracle Developers Kits including Database,  XML and LDAP.) .	Oracle Forms/Reports Server  +++   K If you do not have a copy of this November 2000 Oracle OpenVMS Statement of 6 Direction, please contact your Oracle Rep for a copy.   H In addition, I would encourage you to let Oracle Product Management know( what it is you want to do in the future.   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----% From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl]  Sent: January 9, 2001 1:58 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??     # This is a message I sent to Oracle:   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  H I am not an Oracle expert, but we are discussing the future of Oracle on OpenVMS (V7.2-1 and higher).  B I have two Oracle statements, the first dates from september 1999.  H It says that Developer/2000 V1.6.1 will be the last version of Developer! Client Tools being ported to VMS.   " The second is dated November 2000.  D It says under product directions that there will be Oracle Developer Kits on OpenVMS.    G The discussion in my company is if we can develop, build and run Oracle B web-based applications on OpenVMS. These should not be front-end &F back-end sollutions, where OpenVMS is just a back-end database server,< and some front-end system should run the actual application.  C The OpenVMS system should run the complete application, and clients  should only run a browser.E Is it possible to build applications like that in the future, and how ! should it be done and developed ?   F Maybe you can tell me this in a few sentences, or point me to a URL on$ your website where it is explained.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------   This is the reply I got:  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------   Dirk,   G Oracle has no commitment on providing front end tools for OpenVMS, only  as a backend database on OpenVMS.   Regards,   Denay   I -------------------------------------------------------------------------     F What to think of this is my question. I don't see any reason to use a G VMS system as just a backend database server. Frontend & Backend setups H only make things complicated in many situations, and even if you want to use G such a setup, using the same OS on both the front-end and the back-end   would be far more logical.  B Futhermore I would like to see as much security as possible on the
 vulnarable6 frontend, that is why I would like to use VMS there.    F So my conclusion is that Oracle in effect is withdrawing from OpenVMS.  " Any comments ?? Any workarounds ??& (Compaq and Oracle, please read :-)) )   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 18:07:13 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>+ Subject: Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS?? ' Message-ID: <3A5B5350.FE178607@home.nl>   	 Hi Kerry,   7 Thanks to you and and all the others for their replies.   B I do have the november 2000 statement, and I was quoting from this+ statement in my original message to Oracle. 5 My question was sent to decinfo@oracle.com .......!!!   D In the november 2000 statement you can read in the first column thatH Developer/2000 V1.6.1 is supported. This is an old version of developer,E and support will end january 2002. (present version is 2.0, and AFAIKn# 3.0 will be out in the near future)oF There is not and will not be a substitute for this product on OpenVMS,1 so there will be no developer line on OpenVMS !!  D As pointed out by others Oracle programs are 3 tier programs. I haveE been told by our Oracle experts that Oracle will have no products for?& the second layer in this 3 tier setup.  > I have also been told that this problem is known to Compaq and
 Oracle....  G I will be very happy if I'm wrong, and we can build Oracle applicationstF as we were used to. But for now it seems that is impossible due to the( absence of a forms developer on OpenVMS.   regards,   Dirk     "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > Dirk,i > L > Please do not base any future strategy decisions on one person from OracleL > who may not fully understand the question you are asking (and who does not3 > have a title and phone number in their response).i > K > These types of decisions should be based on responses from Oracle Productn
 > Management.  > M > Anyway, imho, the official word for OpenVMS and Oracle is very good.  Fwiw,oK > we have a number of recent "wins" whereby Customers have chosen Oracle onS. > OpenVMS as their future strategic platforms. > A > Oracle has recently announced changes in its future strategies.e >  > These can be viewed at:s@ > <http://www.oracle.com/corporate/press/index.html?228177.html>' > <http://platforms.oracle.com/compaq/>n > G > Here is an extract from the November 2000 Statement of Direction frome	 > Oracle:p >  > +++ J > The following Oracle products are planned on Alpha OpenVMS. Please checkN > with your Oracle account representative for an up-to-date plan and schedule:L > .       Oracle 8i v8.1.6.2 (will be certified to run as a backend database > for Oracle Applications 11i)M > .       Oracle 8i v8.1.7 (with RMAN & Oracle HTTP Server powered by Apache)0 > .       Oracle 9ilM > .       Oracle iAS (Standard Edition with Oracle Apache HTTP Server, OracleDM > Portal Services, Oracle JVM, and Oracle Developers Kits including Database,2 > XML and LDAP.)% > .       Oracle Forms/Reports Server- > +++S > M > If you do not have a copy of this November 2000 Oracle OpenVMS Statement off7 > Direction, please contact your Oracle Rep for a copy.- > J > In addition, I would encourage you to let Oracle Product Management know* > what it is you want to do in the future. > 
 > Regards, >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultantl > Compaq Canada Inc. > Professional Services- > Voice: 613-592-4660- > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >  > -----Original Message-----' > From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl]  > Sent: January 9, 2001 1:58 AMo > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??D > % > This is a message I sent to Oracle:o > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > J > I am not an Oracle expert, but we are discussing the future of Oracle on > OpenVMS (V7.2-1 and higher). > D > I have two Oracle statements, the first dates from september 1999. > J > It says that Developer/2000 V1.6.1 will be the last version of Developer# > Client Tools being ported to VMS.a > $ > The second is dated November 2000. > F > It says under product directions that there will be Oracle Developer > Kits on OpenVMS. > I > The discussion in my company is if we can develop, build and run Oracle D > web-based applications on OpenVMS. These should not be front-end &H > back-end sollutions, where OpenVMS is just a back-end database server,> > and some front-end system should run the actual application. > E > The OpenVMS system should run the complete application, and clients  > should only run a browser.G > Is it possible to build applications like that in the future, and howm# > should it be done and developed ?o > H > Maybe you can tell me this in a few sentences, or point me to a URL on% > your website where it is explained.- > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >  > This is the reply I got: > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >  > Dirk,m > I > Oracle has no commitment on providing front end tools for OpenVMS, only  > as a > backend database on OpenVMS. > 
 > Regards, >  > Denayr > K > -------------------------------------------------------------------------  > G > What to think of this is my question. I don't see any reason to use aoI > VMS system as just a backend database server. Frontend & Backend setupsnJ > only make things complicated in many situations, and even if you want to > use-H > such a setup, using the same OS on both the front-end and the back-end > would be far more logical. > D > Futhermore I would like to see as much security as possible on the > vulnarable6 > frontend, that is why I would like to use VMS there. > H > So my conclusion is that Oracle in effect is withdrawing from OpenVMS. > $ > Any comments ?? Any workarounds ??( > (Compaq and Oracle, please read :-)) )   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:31:06 GMTn From: mukh_sue@my-deja.com Subject: 6 lpi prining: ln17) Message-ID: <93fhsr$vs7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r   Hi!i  F We are trying to use a ln17 laser printer (Alpha OpenVMS 7.2) for pre-E slugging some information in a form which will be scanned later.  TheGC program is ready, and we need to print 6 cpi/6 lpi for printing thedF information in the correct box.  I have set up a form for this (we useC DECprint Supervisor).  The form is set up by incorporating the text9G files using EDT.   But the laser printer is printing 5.8 lpi.  If I useaA a la 424 line printer, the same form is printing 6 lpi.  I cannot9D change the configuration for the laser printer from the hardware.  IF think I have two options: either make the laser printer work, or buy aF sheet feeder for the la424 printer.  The manual says the sheet feedersD are available, but I cannot find them.  I will like to use the laserE printer, because the resolution is much better.  But if I cannot make B that ln17 work, I have to buy that sheet feeder.  Any suggestions?& Any help would be greatly appreciated.   Sucharita (Sue)s     Sent via Deja.come http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 18:36:39 GMTn From: ddellutr@XXXenteract.com  Subject: Re: 6 lpi prining: ln17+ Message-ID: <93flnn$e35$1@bob.news.rcn.net>e  = On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:31:06 GMT, mukh_sue@my-deja.com wrote:iH > We are trying to use a ln17 laser printer (Alpha OpenVMS 7.2) for pre-G > slugging some information in a form which will be scanned later.  TheoE > program is ready, and we need to print 6 cpi/6 lpi for printing the H > information in the correct box.  I have set up a form for this (we useE > DECprint Supervisor).  The form is set up by incorporating the text I > files using EDT.   But the laser printer is printing 5.8 lpi.  If I usehC > a la 424 line printer, the same form is printing 6 lpi.  I cannotmC > change the configuration for the laser printer from the hardware.   C You might be able to make this work by setting up a Postscript file.7 with the correct font size and all the rest of the formo= features.  You'll need to learn Postscript programming, whicha isn't difficult.  @ Finding the correct font size will probably be a trial-and-error process.  D Discussions that I've seen in comp.text.pdf and comp.lang.postscriptC indicate that printer registration is never too exact;  the printeriB often skews the paper slightly (so that the edges of the print areF not parallel to the edges of the paper) or feeds too quickly or slowly* (so that top and bottom margins can vary).  	 Good lucke   --
 Dale Dellutri    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 10:06:25 -0500p, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)* Subject: Re: Adding link libraries to DECC+ Message-ID: <gQOGetPcLtIK@eisner.decus.org>u  n In article <93dslj$7of$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>, "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net> writes: > ( > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 4 undefined symbols: > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,  FFLUSHr > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,  PRINTF  > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,  STRLENn > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,  TOLOWER  F Looks like the code in VMSLIB was compiled with the old VAX C compiler5 or was compile with the DEC C compiler and /noprefix.   G Either the code compiled to create VMSLIB needs to be compiled with thenG DEC C compiler so these can be found the the DEC C library (the defaulteG of /prefix=ansi will pick up all 4 of those), or you need to explicitlyI) pick these up from the old VAX C library:e  & $link ... ,sys$library:vaxcrtl/library  G You are probably much better off recompiling.  I think a lot of this isr covered in the FAQ.:  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporations= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupwE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:33:32 -05009 From: "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net>t* Subject: Re: Adding link libraries to DECC3 Message-ID: <93flkv$uul$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>    Hello,9 I got it to link by issuing the following before linking:   0 $ define/nolog LNK$LIBRARY SYS$LIBRARY:VAXCCURSE/ $ define/nolog LNK$LIBRARY_1 SYS$LIBRARY:VMSLIBr0 $ define/nolog LNK$LIBRARY_2 SYS$LIBRARY:VAXCRTL  4 Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction. =+=Steven Shamlian=+=    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:28:18 -0800s! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comr? Subject: Re: Asking an app to temporarily relinquish a resourcefD Message-ID: <OFE8001089.9B7055CE-ON882569CF.006571EC@foundation.com>   Simple. Upgrade to VMS!!! :)   Shane           F rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) on 01/08/2001 08:42:23 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come cc:a  @ Subject:  Re: Asking an app to temporarily relinquish a resource    ? In article <87y9wlvkyy.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholie <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  K > Use the lock manager. Set up a blocking ast in the first app. When somone K > else goes for the lock, the blocking ast fires. Convert down to NUL, thenwD > reque to a write lock. When the second exits, for any reason, your
 conversionB > completes, and you grab the port and re-enable the blocking ast.    F Aren't VMS locks wunnerful!?  The original problem statement made this% sound like a really hard problem. :-)r  4 For extra credit, solve the same problem in oonix...   -- Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.come   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Jan 2001 15:56:10 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> ; Subject: Re: Auditing VMS system for identifier references?bH Message-ID: <y4snmsepv9.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  " l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com writes:  B > Hand them this *big* stack of paper... Smile as you do it.  It's > what they've asked for.f  I No, it isn't. In addition, the auditors's request is quite legitimate, ifs incomplete.   L Start, as you did, with the listing of all identifiers from RIGHTSLIST. ThenN use a tool such as FILE (if it can do that) to find all files that contain oneK of these identifiers in their ACL, and list the corresponding entry. Repeat-J for all disks and all identifiers. Finally, check that you don't have ACEs' that use identifiers not in RIGHSTLIST.u   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:32:59 GMTF# From: Alvin Small <asmall@home.com>e Subject: Bar Code printero( Message-ID: <3A5B3CEA.B15EC969@home.com>  G I am trying to add an IBM bar code printer to our system.  Instead of aiG bar code it prints out numbers.  I have the save problem with a Zebra.  * Can any one tell me where I'm going wrong?   Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:43:38 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)o Subject: Re: Bar Code printerr0 Message-ID: <009F5DB9.DE89F0D4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  N In article <3A5B3CEA.B15EC969@home.com>, Alvin Small <asmall@home.com> writes:H >I am trying to add an IBM bar code printer to our system.  Instead of aH >bar code it prints out numbers.  I have the save problem with a Zebra. + >Can any one tell me where I'm going wrong?   L I'm not familiar with your particular printer but I know of similar printersL and they require a special sequence to be sent to them to initiate their barD code printing mode.  Check the manual/documentation for the printer.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMR            HO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 16:49:36 GMTd2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Bar Code printers6 Message-ID: <93fff0$9dh$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  N In article <3A5B3CEA.B15EC969@home.com>, Alvin Small <asmall@home.com> writes:H :I am trying to add an IBM bar code printer to our system.  Instead of aH :bar code it prints out numbers.  I have the save problem with a Zebra. + :Can any one tell me where I'm going wrong?n  G   I here obviously assume you have configured this printer via a print iD   queue and the default OpenVMS print symbiont...  OpenVMS version, A   queue configuration, and related information would be useful...o@   If this is a network-attached printer, details of the required&   network transport would be useful...  A   Please take a look at the user documentation for the printer.  -  G   You will need to determine the sequence of characters the printer is  D   expecting, what characters are required to select behaviour(s), ifC   any, and then you will need to set up the OpenVMS host system to 1C   generate the necessary sequence(s).  This could involve a device VE   control library for the barcode printer (see Ask The Wizard topics eE   including (5271) for general SYSDEVCTL information), or this could iE   potentially require a custom(ized) barcode print symbiont for this -   particular barcode printer.T  F   And you have proved that your communications path to the printer is    working reasonably well.  :-)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:24:35 -0500d2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Bar Code printeroL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0901011224360001@user-2ive7sg.dialup.mindspring.com>  M In article <3A5B3CEA.B15EC969@home.com>, Alvin Small <asmall@home.com> wrote::  I > I am trying to add an IBM bar code printer to our system.  Instead of a I > bar code it prints out numbers.  I have the save problem with a Zebra. M  k You have a zebra covered with numbers instead of stripes?!?  Wow!  Call a photographer before it gets away.-  - I guess he'll have to use a digital camera...n   -- i Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 08:14:10 +0100p, From: "Waard, D.G.A. de" <deWaard@WT.TNO.NL>' Subject: best scsi CD_Rom drive to buy?hC Message-ID: <2ABC8BB85FE5D411AC100008C7F37BC23F6D10@wt15.wt.tno.nl>   	 Hi there,m  M Can anyone tell me which scsi CD-Rom drive to buy for a Personal Work StationeG 600au (Openvms Alpha V7.2 installed). We use a toshiba XM5301B (only 4xo speed)drive at the moment.@ Is there any 32x (or more) speed CD-Rom drive available for VMS?   regards?  2 Dannie de Waard                     TNO Automotive7                                     Crash-Safety CentreM2 Phone: +31 (0)15 2696015            P.O. Box 6033,3 Fax:   +31 (0)15 2572104            2600 JA,  DELFTE3 E-Mail:DeWaard@wt.tno.nl            The Netherlandsn" URL: http://www.automotive.tno.nl/   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Jan 2001 17:32:10 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>e5 Subject: Re: Big Operator.log full of strage messagesaH Message-ID: <y4k884elf9.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>   rocoto@my-deja.com writes:  G > I've seen this on my 7.2 (update 1) systems also.... quite rare. It's G > happened 3 times in a year or so, out of the blue - not at startup oroE > anything, it just starts for no discernable reason. Each time, I'vee@ > fixed the problem by using DELTA to correct the CLUSTER_SERVERJ > PSB$Q_WORKPRIV from FFFFFFFF.5FFFFFFF back to FFFFFFFF.FFFFFFFF which is# > what OPCOM seems to be expecting.d > E > Dunno if the Q found & fixed this yet -- Does seem like it'd be thekJ > dickens to find though... I do know that there are some good folks there# > who were made aware of the issue.   # That's what WPDRIVER/WATCH are for.    	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:56:24 +0000i% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>k= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionn8 Message-ID: <ijnl5t4t6ni83ii2ni2j9r8rds8gn0rn6q@4ax.com>  7 On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:54:04 -0600, "David J. Dachtera"d$ <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:  0 >Well, I understand "arse", but "pap" eludes me.  - In this sense worthless; load of garbage etc.   D Seems to exist in US English as well according to www.dictionary.com    C Source: The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, r
 pap2 (pp)  n. M  ) Soft or semiliquid food, as for infants.  E Material lacking real value or substance: TV shows that offer nothing 	 but pap. eF Slang. Money and favors obtained as political patronage: self-seekingB politicians primarily interested in patronage, privilege, and pap (Fiorello H. La Guardia).   P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------D [Middle English from Old French papa, from Latin children's word for food.] eP --------------------------------------------------------------------------------     Pronunciation Key B Source: The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language,
 Third Editionh3 Copyright  1996, 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. ; Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.r  1 pap \Pap\, v. t. To feed with pap. --Beau. & Fl. OD Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary,  1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.      F pap \Pap\, n. [Cf. OSw. papp. Cf. Pap soft food.] 1. (Anat.) A nipple; a mammilla; a teat. --Dryden.e  / The paps which thou hast sucked. --Luke xi. 27.   F 2. A rounded, nipplelike hill or peak; anything resembling a nipple in shape; a mamelon. --Macaulay. D Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary,  1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. a    C pap \Pap\, n. [Cf. D. pap, G. pappe, both perh. fr. L. papa, pappa, D the word with which infants call for food: cf. It. pappa.] 1. A softE food for infants, made of bread boiled or softtened in milk or water.u  D 2. Nourishment or support from official patronage; as, treasury pap. [Colloq. & Contemptuous]  # 3. The pulp of fruit. --Ainsworth.  D Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary,  1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. -  B pap n 1: worthless or oversimplified ideas [syn: pablum] 2: a diet@ that does not require chewing; advised for those with intestinalF disorders [syn: soft diet, spoon food, pablum] 3: the small projection? of a mammary gland [syn: nipple, mammilla, mamilla, teat, tit]  3 Source: WordNet  1.6,  1997 Princeton University V     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:58:34 +0000r% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>p= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution,8 Message-ID: <i3ol5tg2api2e1ogtbobqs8k13scek3sho@4ax.com>  E On 09 Jan 2001 04:12:52 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>i wrote:  5 >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:h >dL >> Nobody reads inFORM other than the Compaq installed base of Tru64 an VMS  >> users.    > C >And they only read it if they have a PC or some crap so that it isl >READABLE...  D To be fair it does still exist in printed form. Although there was aE gap of over a year where we received no printed copy. Last one turnedn up in the mail though. --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:03:34 +0000-% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution-8 Message-ID: <s9ol5t8uuqc7l51vgif39816kguib5mig3@4ax.com>  4 On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 04:18:18 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   >eC >"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message-( >news:3A5A7C99.5CA8D724@earthlink.net... >t >>F >> Remember, also, that this is an effort to make VMS competitive on aG >> feature basis when there remains no guarantee that VMS will actuallymI >> capture any of those DII-COE opportunities. The whole thing could just : >> be as elaborate a smoke-screen as WhineBloze is a hoax. >>( >> Without promotion, VMS is truly dead! > I >On one level, DII-COE is a checkoff item, just like VMS Integrated PosixrM >was. (Gotta support the FIPS, ya know!) On another level, DII-COE might leaduK >to incremental opportunities IF ISVs begin porting their apps. No porting,s >no new apps, no gain.  C And so far all the information I've seen points towards the DII COE-B project being done properly. Posix was just a bolted on mess and IC think OpenVMS engineering recognizes this and intend the work to bea* real world usable - not just tick the box.  D Until we can play with it ourselves though that's just speculation I admit.     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:47:19 +0100i/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>v= Subject: re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionr7 Message-ID: <009F5DBA.629E971E.10@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   I > So, no thanks, I don't think that I will buy (Q or other) shares in the,J > near future at all. Or asked the other way, how much shares would I haveH > to buy to get an influence ? Millions ? For so much money, I will quit< > immediately and forget VMS and the business alltogether... >  > --  > > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651  I I don't know how it works in the USA, but in the UK ownership of a singlem@ share in your name entitles you to attend the AGM (and any EGM).  I This, in turn, might allow you to ask an awkward question for all present J to hear (a tactic that is probably not useful unless you know of somethingH verging on the illegal and want to whistle-blow). It also allows you to M meet the people who are there to represent the interests of big stockholders,.J which might be useful if you are both well-prepared and good at talking toF strangers. If you could persuade someone with responsibility for half C a billion in Compaq stock that Compaq's marketing strategy was all aC screwed up, it's possible that real pressure might then be exerted.pG You'd have to be very convincing, in ways that a financial-analyst type  would understand.p  K Anyone know if this has ever really happened? (Small stockholder persuades  0 large stockholder(s) to pressurize big company?)   	Yours, 
 		Nigel Arnot - 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   n  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 13:02:54 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutiono= Message-ID: <2_D66.12164$BI2.3220372@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>s  < "Nigel Arnot" <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote in message1 news:009F5DBA.629E971E.10@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk...cK > > So, no thanks, I don't think that I will buy (Q or other) shares in thefL > > near future at all. Or asked the other way, how much shares would I haveJ > > to buy to get an influence ? Millions ? For so much money, I will quit> > > immediately and forget VMS and the business alltogether... > >- > > --@ > > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651 >@K > I don't know how it works in the USA, but in the UK ownership of a singleeB > share in your name entitles you to attend the AGM (and any EGM). >s  J That's true in the USA as well. A good friend of mine, Charlie Matco, usedK his ten shares of DEC stock to get in the door at a DEC annual meeting backSI in 1987 when Charlie's employer was subjected to an editorial embargo andMK Cone of Silence. What's more, stockholders get proxy statements, which shedo2 interesting light on executive compensation plans.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 09:41:06 -0500o, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutioni+ Message-ID: <98X+bdYL$gJr@eisner.decus.org>p  g In article <3A5A5227.615D0151@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:r > J > How 'bout if 10,000 (are there that many of use out here?) of us buy 100J > shares each (can you rob the butter-and-egg kitty of $1600?), that's one > million shares total, no?  >   = You trying to drive the stock price up?  Any attempt to buy a G controlling share will drive the price up,so you get to recalculate thee% cost of buying the controlling share.-  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences CorporationA= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouptE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:38:36 +0000i0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionp* Message-ID: <3A5B3E8C.97ABBB90@uk.sun.com>   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > m > In article <OF7DF1ACF8.F6A1302F-ON802569CE.004F42D7@qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:kN > >I definitely go with Terry on this one.  The DII-COE work is very importantK > >to the future of VMS and future application support.  I could easily seenL > >Oracle making a great deal of use of it since they would not have as much; > >work to do in generating the VMS port of their products.  > 2 > Hopefully, the waves comes soon across the pond.P > Here, the local ORACLE branch still asks "What is VMS ? This old/dead Opsys ?"L > And even when they know about VMS, nobody of them would suggest VMS to theN > customers. They suggest UNIX (which means SOLARIS, AIX and HP/UX and nothing
 > else)...  F Why would this be suprising. Oracle sales people are goaled on selling theiriD applications, selling the DBMS isn't enough. As you know Oracle only supportnH a very small subset of their applications portfolio on OpenVMS so it is D unsuprising that their sales people steer clear of OpenVMS, they are less iB likely to make their targets if they steer people towards OpenVMS.     > L > I Q USA is serious about VMS (which is still uncertain from my view), thenM > someone must force the rest of Q and the other companies in US and the rest I > of the other companies worldwide to believe it and be serious about VMSuA > themselves, too. And this takes time, while there is no more...e >    Regardse Andrew Harrisonk Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:41:17 -0500a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionfL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0901011141170001@user-2ive7sg.dialup.mindspring.com>  h In article <009F5DBA.629E971E.10@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote:    kK > I don't know how it works in the USA, but in the UK ownership of a singletB > share in your name entitles you to attend the AGM (and any EGM). > K > This, in turn, might allow you to ask an awkward question for all presentuL > to hear (a tactic that is probably not useful unless you know of something3 > verging on the illegal and want to whistle-blow).s ...o  M > Anyone know if this has ever really happened? (Small stockholder persuades a2 > large stockholder(s) to pressurize big company?)  I think it was Sony where Charlton Heston (small stockholder, but big name) used this method.  He simply stood up at the annual meeting and read out the lyrics to a horribly offensive song, then asked if this was the sort of thing Sony wanted its name attached to.  After ignoring complaints for months, this stunt was enough to get Sony to sell off the record company that was promoting the song, and others like it.s  [ Charlton Heston probably has the voice and "presence" to make this work.  I'm sure I don't.t   -- p Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 08:54:39 +0000r2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>$ Subject: Re: easysoft's odbc for rms- Message-ID: <3A5AD1CF.E682919@CCAgroup.co.uk>V   Jaan Kronberg wrote: >  > Hello all, > @ > Does anyone have any experience with subject on OpenVMS Alpha? > M > Easiest way, of course, is to install and to test mentioned software, but I A > would like to hear experienced users/administrators opinions...   H The tool provided for importing Cognos Powerhouse dictionary definitions9 is quite poor (uses element definition rather than item).o  H It's capable of using all the Alpha CPU, but that may be a configuration issue.  C I'd be inclined to look carefully at ConnX, before buying Easysoft.a   Chrisa   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Jan 2001 17:04:35 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>n, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet againH Message-ID: <y4puhwemp8.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:r  > > 	Has nobody looked at those dual-HSC diagrams from 1984 with> > 	duplicate cabling from each system ?  The only common pieceA > 	in the middle is so simple it doesn't even use a power supply.h  F IIRC, you could attach the A and B side CIs to seperate star couplers.   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Jan 2001 17:08:50 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>r, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet againH Message-ID: <y4n1d0emi5.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  * Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:  K >   Performance like this would get technical management canned at any old- M > school company. But in a dot-com, you can get away with anything - at least- > until there's competition...  K While I generally agree, the old-economy companies usually don't have those G extreme growth rates. Sometimes one wonders Ebay, Yahoo & Co. manage to- provide service _at_all_.1  M But of course investing in a scaleable solution in the first place is lost onBL anyone going into or being in business - "we can always do this later, let's1 go with the cheap/standard/... solution for now."o   	Jan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:34:08 +0100- From: "Roland Hauk" <roland.hauk@indramat.de>a Subject: Email, SMTP% and FAXI- Message-ID: <93f04m$r018@sunny.mannesmann.de>a   Hello,  ! We have VAX VMS 7.2 and TCPIP 5.0p   1. Question:8     I want to send an email to our FAX-gateway from CAE.>     A email for fax is specially formated [FAX:@<fax number>].  &     $ mail  /PERSONAL_NAME="TEST,FAX"-                /SUB="Hello FAX" -               willi.lis -                 SMTP%"[FAX:@4850]"  2     But this doesn't work. I get following errors:  A     %TCPIP-E-SMTP_BADADDR, recipient address is illegal; unparsedt
 string: ]::[:n-     %TCPIP-E-SMTP_ABORT, SMTP session aborted   '     Is there a way to send such emails?p   2. Question:F     Is it possible to change sender email hauk@indiv7.indramat.de into roland.hauk@indramat.de?  7         Message-Id: <01010912343428@indiv7.indramat.de> 1         From: hauk@indiv7.indramat.de (TEST,SMTP) #         To: ROLAND.HAUK@indramat.dey         Subject: Test SMTP%...0         X-VMS-To: SMTP%"ROLAND.HAUK@INDRAMAT.DE"  '     I want to send something like this:W  /        $ mail  /PERSONAL_NAME="TEST,SMTP FROM"-t7                   /FROM= SMTP%"ROLAND.HAUK@INDRAMAT.DE"-'                  /SUB="Test SMTP%..." -r                  willi.lis -/                  SMTP%"ROLAND.HAUK@INDRAMAT.DE":    3     And in Outlook, I will see something like that:D  7         Message-Id: <01010912343428@indiv7.indramat.de>d6         From: roland.hauk@indramat.de (TEST,SMTP FROM)#         To: ROLAND.HAUK@indramat.dei         Subject: Test SMTP%...0         X-VMS-To: SMTP%"ROLAND.HAUK@INDRAMAT.DE"  -     I there anybody who knows what i must do?a     Roland Haukt roland.hauk@indramat.der   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:45:23 -0700F% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>F! Subject: Re: Email, SMTP% and FAXe) Message-ID: <3A5B4023.548C91A0@rdrop.com>f   Roland Hauk wrote: >  > Hello, > # > We have VAX VMS 7.2 and TCPIP 5.0o) >     I want to send something like this:  > 1 >        $ mail  /PERSONAL_NAME="TEST,SMTP FROM"-R9 >                   /FROM= SMTP%"ROLAND.HAUK@INDRAMAT.DE"-  G See TCPIP HELP SET CONFIG SMTP /SUBSTITUTE_DOMAIN for the /FROM part ife2 all you need to do is drop the local machine name.  B Wait for TCPIP 5.1 for a working TCPIP$SFF.EXE and TCPIP$SMTP_FROM logical.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 15:29:19 GMT.2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: FreeVMS6 Message-ID: <93faof$8ct$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  F In article <93dlc2$ipg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, circuitz@my-deja.com writes:C :I heard about this OS abit, anyone tried it? Is it very similar to,	 :OpenVMS?p1 :Is it any good, supports other VMS software etc?.  H   Donno, but (for those few praise-worthy folks that do read the FAQ, doH   notice errors, and then do notify me of the error(s)) the OpenVMS FAQ H   has a bogus pointer, the correct URL is www.free-vms.org.  (URL to be    fixed in the next FAQ.))  I   OpenVMS itself is available for free to hobbyists.  There is a minimal -G   charge for the CD-ROM media.  Please see the OpenVMS FAQ for details.d  G   You can run OpenVMS on VAX and Alpha hardware, and -- with the Charon-;   VAX emulator -- under emulation on Alpha and PC hardware.r  %   OpenVMS FAQ: www.openvms.compaq.comL  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Jan 2001 15:28:52 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>a Subject: Re: Giving up on VMStH Message-ID: <y4vgroer4r.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  * Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:  K >   Well, both rebuilding and fscking are the default behavior if the file-yK > system is found to be marked dirty when the system restarts. I think that.K > implies the vendors think it's a good idea. I know mount/rebuild isn't as K > thorough as analyze/disk/repair, and it's probably fairer to compare fsckr > with the latter.  M Quite. In fact, VMS "rebuilding" is just re-computing the two storage bitmapscM and the quota file (if it exists) from primary data (the index file); it doesuL no structural repair at all. It can be safely deferred in most cases, unlessL you were living close to your quota limit (then the system might be thinkingF you are over quota and deny an allocation when it shouldn't) and otherL operations can take more time - for instance, if it seems that an allocationK will exceed the free space of the volume, the XQP will rescan the bitmap tod$ recover bits and pieces it "forgot".   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:34:44 -06000+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>eY Subject: RE: HW/SW for Chip Fabs (was: Compaq: A simple,affordable cluster	ingsolution) s5N Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284BB4@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   'o-Dzin,  L >>> A bit of a sad story really.  Both companies appear to be going from the  E 'proven' and 'reliable' VMS product to somethings more 'flexible' andf 'agile'. <<<  + Interesting stuff happening in this arena. h  L When these vendors started down the "lets move our application to Window NT"H about two years ago, they were thinking the following would be available< today to meet these high availability, high IO environments: - Win64 will be available- - IA64 will be available! - Alpha NT will be running Win64 3 - IA64 will be running Win64G - load balanced clusters (not simple fail-over) will be available on NTsJ similar to what Customers were running at the time they made the decision.  K Notice anything wrong with this picture that might concern both the vendorst" and their Customers in this space?   :-)a  	 Regards, e  
 Kerry Main Senior ConsultantC Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicesm Voice: 613-592-4660s Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----5 From: 'o-Dzin Tridral [mailto:TridralO@Cardiff.ac.uk]s Sent: January 9, 2001 7:35 AMo To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com B Subject: Re: HW/SW for Chip Fabs (was: Compaq: A simple,affordable clustering solution) solution)    L The last I heard, Motorola was running on VMS using the Promis manufacturing  H system (now owned by PRI Automation).  Promis (the software) runs on VMS (VAX nE or Alpha).  Promis (the company) are working on an NT-only MES called  Encore.p  L Intel use Workstream (from Consilium - owned by Applied Materials) on VMS.  . Consilium's new software runs on Windows 2000.  I A bit of a sad story really.  Both companies appear to be going from the dE 'proven' and 'reliable' VMS product to somethings more 'flexible' ande 'agile'.& Makes me feel something of a dinosaur.  G My information may be out of date as I last worked for a semiconductor  L manufacturer over a year ago.  Currently watching VMS being nibbled away in 	 academia.   
 best regards,a   'o-Dzin, -- 'o-Dzin TridralgE Senior Computer Officer, UIS, Cardiff University, PO Box 78, CF10 3XL > T +44 29 2087 6160  E TridralO@cf.ac.uk  F +44 29 2087 4531  W http://www.cf.ac.ukt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:30:18 +0000t. From: 'o-Dzin Tridral <TridralO@Cardiff.ac.uk>Y Subject: RE: HW/SW for Chip Fabs (was: Compaq: A simple,affordable cluster	ingsolution) s . Message-ID: <3A5B4AAB.30656.18EFB72@localhost>   (re: moves from VMS to Windows)   N I have to admit that I was worried and disappointed when I first heard of thisI happening with Promis (probably about two years ago, possibly three).  I   thought it was a bad move then.r  L The trouble is, what I think is a bad move didn't/doesn't count for much if D Digital/Compaq aren't seen to be arguing the case too and/or sellingF competitively and/or encouraging people to write applications for VMS.  J Without any/all of the above, people will continue to move towards WindowsH and/or unix  throw enough people and/or money at it to make it look like
 a success.  M I hope that we'll see VMS becoming more successful in every market (not just  N the high end).  Unfortunately, I've yet to see signs of this anywhere near me.  H People who admit to Windows problems also say that 'everyone uses it'...> People who admit to VMS strengths also say 'no-one uses it'...  
 best regards,    'o-Dzin(            6 From:           	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>R To:             	''o-Dzin Tridral' <TridralO@Cardiff.ac.uk>, Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComR Subject:        	RE: HW/SW for Chip Fabs (was: Compaq: A simple,affordable cluster 	ing solution) solution)0 Date sent:      	Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:34:44 -0600   
 > 'o-Dzin, > N > >>> A bit of a sad story really.  Both companies appear to be going from the > G > 'proven' and 'reliable' VMS product to somethings more 'flexible' and  > 'agile'. <<< > - > Interesting stuff happening in this arena. k > N > When these vendors started down the "lets move our application to Window NT"J > about two years ago, they were thinking the following would be available> > today to meet these high availability, high IO environments: > - Win64 will be availablee > - IA64 will be available# > - Alpha NT will be running Win64 E > - IA64 will be running Win64I > - load balanced clusters (not simple fail-over) will be available on NT L > similar to what Customers were running at the time they made the decision. > M > Notice anything wrong with this picture that might concern both the vendorsd$ > and their Customers in this space? >  > :-)a >  > Regards, e >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultanto > Compaq Canada Inc. > Professional Services  > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >    -- 'o-Dzin TridraleE Senior Computer Officer, UIS, Cardiff University, PO Box 78, CF10 3XL0R T +44 29 2087 6160  E TridralO@cf.ac.uk  F +44 29 2087 4531  W http://www.cf.ac.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:34:40 +0000n. From: 'o-Dzin Tridral <TridralO@Cardiff.ac.uk>Y Subject: Re: HW/SW for Chip Fabs (was: Compaq: A simple,affordable clustering solution) s - Message-ID: <3A5B0560.30454.804F8B@localhost>)  M The last I heard, Motorola was running on VMS using the Promis manufacturing hN system (now owned by PRI Automation).  Promis (the software) runs on VMS (VAX M or Alpha).  Promis (the company) are working on an NT-only MES called Encore.g  L Intel use Workstream (from Consilium - owned by Applied Materials) on VMS.  . Consilium's new software runs on Windows 2000.  I A bit of a sad story really.  Both companies appear to be going from the AN 'proven' and 'reliable' VMS product to somethings more 'flexible' and 'agile'.& Makes me feel something of a dinosaur.  G My information may be out of date as I last worked for a semiconductor :L manufacturer over a year ago.  Currently watching VMS being nibbled away in 	 academia.m  
 best regards,l   'o-Dzinl -- 'o-Dzin Tridral3E Senior Computer Officer, UIS, Cardiff University, PO Box 78, CF10 3XLcR T +44 29 2087 6160  E TridralO@cf.ac.uk  F +44 29 2087 4531  W http://www.cf.ac.uk   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:38:25 GMT ? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson)a$ Subject: Re: Microsoft Message Queue/ Message-ID: <3a5adc01.1765078@news.demon.co.uk>e  2 On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:39:42 +0100 , "Andrew Jones"+ <andrew.jones@atosorigin.com.nospam> wrote:u   >Hi,; >Is there an OpenVMS equivalent to Microsoft Message Queue?b >cM >I think the requirement is for an OpenVMS app to access a SQLserver databaseb >on an NT box... >e >Cheersu >s >Aj  >t >   & I think RTR should be able to do this.   Jim.     Jim Johnsona Software Exploration, Ltd.' Software Navigation and Discovery Toolse   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:05:25 +0300* From: "Yuri Ermakov" <ermak@cbr.ryazan.su>$ Subject: Re: Microsoft Message Queue/ Message-ID: <93eo85$mrn$1@summer.cbr.ryazan.su>t   IBM MQSeries  F "Andrew Jones" <andrew.jones@atosorigin.com.nospam> /   : L news:0E16861EE7BCD111BE9400805FE6841F13CEBFC4@c1s5x001.cor.srvfarm.origin-it .com...  > Hi,)< > Is there an OpenVMS equivalent to Microsoft Message Queue? >sE > I think the requirement is for an OpenVMS app to access a SQLservera database > on an NT box...h >e > Cheers >d > Aj >e >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 18:42:33 +0000e7 From: Lothar Geyer <Lothar.Geyer@EDV-Berater-Online.de> $ Subject: Re: Microsoft Message Queue5 Message-ID: <3A5B5B99.CC112987@EDV-Berater-Online.de>:  F In an other posting I mentioned BEA MessageQ (formerly DECmessageQ). IF recommend not to use MQSeries. Configuration is a terrible job and BEA/ MessageQ is up to 200 times faster! Even on NT.e   Lothar Geyer   Yuri Ermakov schrieb:t >  > IBM MQSeries > H > "Andrew Jones" <andrew.jones@atosorigin.com.nospam> /  >  : N > news:0E16861EE7BCD111BE9400805FE6841F13CEBFC4@c1s5x001.cor.srvfarm.origin-it	 > .com...e > > Hi, > > > Is there an OpenVMS equivalent to Microsoft Message Queue? > >yG > > I think the requirement is for an OpenVMS app to access a SQLservers
 > database > > on an NT box...a > >r
 > > Cheers > >  > > Aj > >o > >p   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 10:00:12 -0500h2 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)3 Subject: Re: Need KZTSA information / documentationd+ Message-ID: <yos4DJwRy4ws@eisner.decus.org>r  L In article <rdeininger-0801012337010001@user-2ive6as.dialup.mindspring.com>,9  rdeininger@mindspring.company (Robert Deininger) writes:  >t= >> 4.  Slightly related:  Any good sources for "Y" cables form> >> differential SCSI, to allow external termination of the bus? >> instead of the on-board KZTSA terminators?  This would allow.B >> a multi-host bus to be unplugged from one KZTSA while the otherC >> KZTSA kept the bus active.  I think the DEC part number for this:A >> Y cable was BN21W, but an off-brand equivalent would do.  I'veu@ >> never seen a cable like this, but they sure look purdy in the >> clustering manual.nF >> This is a hobbyist project, so cheap is an important consideration.  I I think that Compaq is still selling the cable.  It may also be available B from other dealers of SCSI cables.  A web search should find a few sources.  E Also there appears to be at least one attempting to be sold on E-bay,w. complete with pictures so you can look at one.  B The 68 pin high density male connector is very easy to damage whenB connecting it up, so be careful on a used purchase.  The bent pins> can be straightend, but in a commercial environment I would be9 concerned about their long term life after such a repair.0   -John5 wb8tyw@qsl.network& Representing only my personal opinion.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:22:01 -0500-2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)3 Subject: Re: Need KZTSA information / documentationrL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0901011222010001@user-2ive7sg.dialup.mindspring.com>  _ In article <yos4DJwRy4ws@eisner.decus.org>, malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg) wrote:s  N > In article <rdeininger-0801012337010001@user-2ive6as.dialup.mindspring.com>,; >  rdeininger@mindspring.company (Robert Deininger) writes:- > >-? > >> 4.  Slightly related:  Any good sources for "Y" cables fore > >> differential SCSI, ...i  K > I think that Compaq is still selling the cable.  It may also be availableDD > from other dealers of SCSI cables.  A web search should find a few
 > sources. > G > Also there appears to be at least one attempting to be sold on E-bay,a0 > complete with pictures so you can look at one.  J Thanks.  I've been looking. Suddenly 2 of them showed up on ebay.  I foundA a couple of other sources on the web, but they look fairly pricy.u   -- d Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:25:50 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>s" Subject: Re: OpenVMS opportunities8 Message-ID: <53pl5tsgqf9c8nirs4tvgvqkikck3mcmjm@4ax.com>  , On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:27:23 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:-   >Hoff Hoffman wrote:G >>   Taken literally, Low Earth Orbit (LEO) would likely be outside the.I >>   telecomputing limit, if for no other reason than the transportation,8B >>   housing, and communications costs that would be involved. :-) > K >Well, LEO would be out of question not because it is far (only about 250km J >away), but because it can't answer phohnes 7*24 due to areas of its orbit >without communications.  B Wonder what the Iridium satellite network would make of a phone in LEO?  E I was also under the impression that the NASA satellite network (name E escapes me) which supports shuttle video is now complete. Even if, astA CNN pointed out, it does suffer from "mysterious" failures on the  very odd occasion.> http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/10/13/shuttle.01/index.html  J >Also, they have some hefty firewalls which make it hard for the worker toG >access systems outside of NASA. But the view can't be beaten I am toldv   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 07:29:31 -0500.* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>" Subject: Re: OpenVMS opportunities* Message-ID: <3A5B042B.990C1AC@rtfmcsi.com>   Alan Greig wrote:"  . > On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:27:23 -0500, JF Mezei' > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:M >. > >Hoff Hoffman wrote:I > >>   Taken literally, Low Earth Orbit (LEO) would likely be outside the K > >>   telecomputing limit, if for no other reason than the transportation,3D > >>   housing, and communications costs that would be involved. :-) > >PM > >Well, LEO would be out of question not because it is far (only about 250km L > >away), but because it can't answer phohnes 7*24 due to areas of its orbit > >without communications. >HD > Wonder what the Iridium satellite network would make of a phone in > LEO? >   G Didn't the Iridium satellite network get scuttled when the company whenR	 bankrupt?M  L I vaguely remember seeing/hearing a news report on CNN some time in the pastO year or so that said that the orbital space occupied by those satellites neededtN to be reclaimed and that the satellites were reprogrammed to drop out of orbitL and burn up in the upper atmosphere.  I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sureL that this is what I had heard.  It seemed memorable because the news anchorsM covering the story made it sound really ironic that the satellites would justT be wasted like that.     -- Chuck Chopp-  8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager7                                   8007740718@skytel.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 13:31:01 +0000e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> " Subject: Re: OpenVMS opportunities) Message-ID: <3A5B1295.F45373B6@bbc.co.uk>    Chuck Chopp wrote:   >tF > > Wonder what the Iridium satellite network would make of a phone in > > LEO? > >i >vI > Didn't the Iridium satellite network get scuttled when the company whenO > bankrupt?a >s  > They were given a last minute reprieve by the US gov recently.   >pN > I vaguely remember seeing/hearing a news report on CNN some time in the pastQ > year or so that said that the orbital space occupied by those satellites needed-P > to be reclaimed and that the satellites were reprogrammed to drop out of orbitN > and burn up in the upper atmosphere.  I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sureN > that this is what I had heard.  It seemed memorable because the news anchorsO > covering the story made it sound really ironic that the satellites would justD > be wasted like that. >n > --
 > Chuck Choppn >o: > ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com2 >                                   ICQ # 22321532B > RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail4 > 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax6 > Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager9 >                                   8007740718@skytel.come   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uki  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofe MedAS or the BBC.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:07:28 -0500b# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>n" Subject: Re: OpenVMS opportunities+ Message-ID: <3A5B1B20.6C956D3B@hsc.vcu.edu>    hhmm...  Where's the hat?   " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > M > LEO plus a decent knowledge of orbital mechanics, a reasonable computer andgM > some kind of fine-tunable launching system should allow you to drop a large4. > rock on Redmond and solve a lot of problems. > B > Maybe we should organize a fund, so we can all chip in...... ;-) >  > Shaneg > ; > Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> on 01/08/2001 05:10:06 PMB >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi > cc:> > % > Subject:  Re: OpenVMS opportunitiesi >  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:t > > C > > In article <87elydx0k5.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholif! > <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: @ > > :I wonder how far their definition of telecomputing extends? > > H > >   Taken literally, Low Earth Orbit (LEO) would likely be outside theJ > >   telecomputing limit, if for no other reason than the transportation,C > >   housing, and communications costs that would be involved. :-)l > C > Housing- I'd think housing costs for a telecommuter are up to the D > worker, not the company, unless the company needs an employee in aJ > certain location some reason.  If my relationship with my company allowsB > me to live wherever I want, and I want to live on the Riveria, I3 > wouldn't expect them to pay me any more to do it.- > H > Communications- wireless is line-of-sight with enough watts behind it.I > Just make sure you've got a TELSAT in your neighborhood before you buy,M, > or sign up for StarBand satellite service. > G > Transportation- only expensive going up.  Getting down again is easy.0C > (shedding excess heat and velocity is left as an exercise for thea
 > reader.) > 2 > All that said, GeoSynch orbit might be better...   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 09:55:55 -0500m, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)" Subject: Re: OpenVMS opportunities+ Message-ID: <LRYHJy4i1ESC@eisner.decus.org>n  ` In article <53pl5tsgqf9c8nirs4tvgvqkikck3mcmjm@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes: > G > I was also under the impression that the NASA satellite network (name.G > escapes me) which supports shuttle video is now complete. Even if, astC > CNN pointed out, it does suffer from "mysterious" failures on thee > very odd occasion.@ > http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/10/13/shuttle.01/index.html >   D TDRSS (tracking and data relay satellite system)?  IIRC it still hasH gaps over ASIA and the Indian Ocean due to the only ground station beingE in New Mexico.  I don't know why they don't daisy chain them or get ad> second ground station, but I think they're still in that mode.  F LEO tends to get interference anyhow due to the south Atlantic anomalyJ messing with the electronics and radio frequency noise over mother Russia.  B How about a nice job at the Solar - Earth L2?  You always get full2 daylight view, which is why Triana is going there.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporatione= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupbE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:13:26 -0700u% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>e" Subject: Re: OpenVMS opportunities) Message-ID: <3A5B38A6.1F3C12D4@rdrop.com>o   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > * > In article <3A5A64EE.2943600@rdrop.com>,* >  Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes: > |>5 > |> All that said, GeoSynch orbit might be better...e > / > Maybe, but then the view gets kind of boring.r   I'm willing to risk it. ;-)o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:18:33 GMTy2 From: seibel_r@localhost.localdomain (Rich Seibel)* Subject: Re: Problem with linking C++ code; Message-ID: <slrn95mau8.31v.seibel_r@localhost.localdomain>   P On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:15:33 -0600, Dale T. Lobb <dale.lobb@bryanlgh.nospam.org>  wrote:> > Hello!   Thanks for your response.r   > F >   When the linker resolves the reference for routine z and includes 	 it in thea  image,:A > it is already way past the point for where global symbol a1 is   stored, and  under1E > some circumstances that I don't remember but are documented in the o
 OpenVMS linerpB > manual, the linker will not start back at the top of the object  library in order tol > resolve the reference. <  H I think this is essentially what is happening, but the catch is that theH problem is between the C++ repository and libraries.  That is, a libraryE module refers to a repository module which refers back to a different  library module.h  2 > The only way that I have found to fix this is toA >         1) explicitly include the object module containing the i problem symbols on# > the linker command or option filen  A This works (I've tried it), but it is impractical in my use case.a  B > or    2) include the object module multiple times in the linker  command (or option > file)i  G I tried this (I assume you mean library module), but it doesn't work, I B suspect it looks at all the library modules before the repository.  E > or    3) write an assembler subroutine with linker macros to force : the inclusion ofD > the object module and then call that early in your program (also,  you must make sure< > that the assembler subroutine itself does not have linker  resolution problems due to
 > naming.)  % This is not practical in my use case..   > A > It's been a while since I last had to deal with this, as we do 0 not write much coderB > these days.  SO: CAVEAT EMPTOR, my failing memory may have many  details incorrect,D > about why the linker does not start back at the top to search for  symbols, and IA > think it has something to do with the typing of the symbols as f strong or week.  ButD > the general direction of this should be right, .....uh, I think :) >   F I did find a work around.  Don't use the repository.  If I do explicitG instantialtion of templates, then they can be forced into the generated I objects instead of the repository then, since the linker does not have too3 deal with a repository, the link become successful.e  D --------------------------------------------------------------------D Rich Seibel, Software Engineer                 (314)579-0066 ext 220D Object Computing, Inc.                           seibel_r@ociweb.comD Need ACE training?                      See http://www.theaceorb.comD --------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:57:24 +02003 From: "Phillip du Plooy" <itbpjdp@puknet.puk.ac.za>t/ Subject: SCSI/disk error or Software/firmware ?-- Message-ID: <979023467.347501@news.puk.ac.za>    Hi,n  4 At the end of this mail is part of the output from : $  diag/sin/inclu=disk  J Is my assumption correct that this is an error with the internal SCSI bus?  	 thank you0 Phillip du Plooy DBA/OpenVMS SysAdmin.r  Potchefstroom University for CHE South Africa  D When dealing with backups apply Riley's law: Murphy was an optimist.  L **** V3.0 ********************** ENTRY  293 ********************************    , Logging OS                        1. OpenVMS* System Architecture               2. Alpha+ OS version                           V7.2-1g$ Event sequence number          1410.9 Timestamp of occurrence              09-JAN-2001 08:00:1035 Time since reboot                    0 Day(s) 0:39:17:) Host name                            AXP39  < System Model                         Compaq AlphaServer ES40  1 Entry Type                        1. Device Error     ---- Device Profile ----. Unit                                 AXP3$DKA0- Product Name                         RZ2DD-LS ( Vendor                               DEC   -- Driver Supplied Info -h) Device Firmware Revision             0306oD VMS SCSI Error Type               5. Extended Sense Data from Device# SCSI ID                         x00-# SCSI LUN                        x00:# SCSI SUBLUN                     x00hL Port Status               x00000001  NORMAL  -  normal successful completion4 Command Opcode                  x00  Test Unit Ready Command Data#                                 x00y#                                 x00e#                                 x00e#                                 x00i#                                 x00y  4 SCSI Status                     x02  Check Condition$ Remaining Byte Length            18.  J --- Sense Data For Device            RZ2DD-LS, 9.1GB 10000RPM UltraII Wide 80-                                      Pin SCA2i2 Error Code                      x70  Current Error# Segment #                       x00u# Information Byte 3              x00 #             Byte 2              x00s#             Byte 1              x00.#             Byte 0              x00 3 Sense Key                       x06  UNIT ATTENTION # Additional Sense Length         x0Ae# CMD Specific Info Byte 3        x00)#                   Byte 2        x00 #                   Byte 1        x00w#                   Byte 0        x00e= ASC & ASCQ                    x2902  SCSI Bus Reset Occurred.m# FRU Code                        x02o# Sense Key Specific Byte 0       x00S#                    Byte 1       x00r#                    Byte 2       x00I   ----- Software Info -----o6 UCB$x_ERTCNT                     16. Retries Remaining6 UCB$x_ERTMAX                     16. Retries Allowable+ IRP$Q_IOSB                x0000000000000000k+ UCB$x_STS                 x08025910  Onlineb)                                      Busyo3                                      Software Valid 7                                      Unload At DismounttE                                      "Mount Verification" In-Progress F                                      Volume is Valid on the local nodeL                                      Unit supports the Extended Function bit4 IRP$L_PID                 x82135AC0  Requestor "PID"5 IRP$x_BOFF                        0. Byte Page Offset = IRP$x_BCNT                        0. Transfer Size In Byte(s)e5 UCB$x_ERRCNT                    102. Errors This Unitp4 UCB$L_OPCNT                   82022. QIO's This Unit/ ORB$L_OWNER               x00010004  Owners UIC 9 UCB$L_DEVCHAR1            x1C4D4008  Directory Structured 2                                      File Oriented-                                      Sharable-.                                      Available,                                      Mounted2                                      Error Logging5                                      Capable of Input06                                      Capable of Output2                                      Random Access   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 08:55:30 +0000@5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@COMPAQ.com>d3 Subject: RE: SCSI/disk error or Software/firmware ?>N Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116C327@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>   Hi,.E 	that's just the disk saying it's seen a scsci bus reset on PKA0, you ; need to look at other entries to see what caused the reset.h   Regardsd   Oliver Steeples  Storage Technical Specialist! Technical Customer Support Center  Compaq Computers Limited       -----Original Message-----8 From: Phillip du Plooy [mailto:itbpjdp@puknet.puk.ac.za]' Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 6:57 AMo To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml/ Subject: SCSI/disk error or Software/firmware ?i     Hi,n  4 At the end of this mail is part of the output from : $  diag/sin/inclu=disk  J Is my assumption correct that this is an error with the internal SCSI bus?  	 thank youg Phillip du Plooy DBA/OpenVMS SysAdmin.@  Potchefstroom University for CHE South Africa  D When dealing with backups apply Riley's law: Murphy was an optimist.  L **** V3.0 ********************** ENTRY  293 ********************************    , Logging OS                        1. OpenVMS* System Architecture               2. Alpha+ OS version                           V7.2-1 $ Event sequence number          1410.9 Timestamp of occurrence              09-JAN-2001 08:00:10a5 Time since reboot                    0 Day(s) 0:39:17b) Host name                            AXP3   < System Model                         Compaq AlphaServer ES40  1 Entry Type                        1. Device Errort     ---- Device Profile ----. Unit                                 AXP3$DKA0- Product Name                         RZ2DD-LSm( Vendor                               DEC   -- Driver Supplied Info -2) Device Firmware Revision             0306 D VMS SCSI Error Type               5. Extended Sense Data from Device# SCSI ID                         x00S# SCSI LUN                        x00t# SCSI SUBLUN                     x00-L Port Status               x00000001  NORMAL  -  normal successful completion4 Command Opcode                  x00  Test Unit Ready Command Data#                                 x00>#                                 x008#                                 x00 #                                 x00M#                                 x00T  4 SCSI Status                     x02  Check Condition$ Remaining Byte Length            18.  J --- Sense Data For Device            RZ2DD-LS, 9.1GB 10000RPM UltraII Wide 80-                                      Pin SCA2 2 Error Code                      x70  Current Error# Segment #                       x00u# Information Byte 3              x004#             Byte 2              x00t#             Byte 1              x00h#             Byte 0              x00e3 Sense Key                       x06  UNIT ATTENTIONl# Additional Sense Length         x0Am# CMD Specific Info Byte 3        x00e#                   Byte 2        x00n#                   Byte 1        x00o#                   Byte 0        x00u= ASC & ASCQ                    x2902  SCSI Bus Reset Occurred.s# FRU Code                        x02u# Sense Key Specific Byte 0       x00a#                    Byte 1       x00m#                    Byte 2       x00    ----- Software Info -----e6 UCB$x_ERTCNT                     16. Retries Remaining6 UCB$x_ERTMAX                     16. Retries Allowable+ IRP$Q_IOSB                x0000000000000000o+ UCB$x_STS                 x08025910  Onlinec)                                      Busy 3                                      Software Valid77                                      Unload At Dismount6E                                      "Mount Verification" In-Progress F                                      Volume is Valid on the local nodeL                                      Unit supports the Extended Function bit4 IRP$L_PID                 x82135AC0  Requestor "PID"5 IRP$x_BOFF                        0. Byte Page Offset = IRP$x_BCNT                        0. Transfer Size In Byte(s)t5 UCB$x_ERRCNT                    102. Errors This Unit 4 UCB$L_OPCNT                   82022. QIO's This Unit/ ORB$L_OWNER               x00010004  Owners UICr9 UCB$L_DEVCHAR1            x1C4D4008  Directory Structuredp2                                      File Oriented-                                      Sharable .                                      Available,                                      Mounted2                                      Error Logging5                                      Capable of Inputa6                                      Capable of Output2                                      Random Access   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:20:18 GMTj From: kparris@my-deja.com.3 Subject: Re: Tuning an RMS indexed HSM catalog filec) Message-ID: <93fa7a$pef$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    plugge@usa.net wrote: C > Should the qualifier for /ANA and the FDL file parameter point tov > different files?  E They can, but since EDIT/FDL will be reading the original file before G it creates the output file, using the same filename will just result in7= creating a second version of the FDL file with the sane name.,  8 > 2) How do you determine the current number of buckets? >U > $ DIR /FULL {catalog}b >o) > File Attribute: ... maximum bucket size   C Uh, this actually gives you the size of the largest bucket, not theA number of buckets.  6 > 7) How does the cluster size affect the bucket size? >24 > The bucket size is a multiple of the cluster size. >RD > *** Problem: my current cluster size is 18 and my bucket max is 12  C Cluster size is just the number of blocks covered by one bit in the C allocation bit map, BITMAP.SYS.  So the size of the file must be anmF integer multiple of the cluster size.  But within the file, the bucket/ size(s) can be different from the cluster size.   G The EDIT/FDL/NOINTERACTIVE optimization script uses the cluster size as E the minimum bucket size by default.  This is not necessarily optimal./C As disk sizes have grown over the years, default cluster sizes have @ grown dramatically.  You can override the default bucket size by0 editing the .FDL file before you do the CONVERT.  & > Global buffers allows shared access.  F You can have shared access whether you have global buffers or not.  ByG default, RMS uses local buffers, that is, buffers within each process'skE local address space.  One process cannot read another process's localhC buffers.  Global buffers are useful when more than one process on awE node simultaneously accesses a file.  All processes on the node whichlG have the file open can share the same set of global buffers, instead ofeD each process needing a local buffer copy of buckets for its own use.1 This saves memory and reduces the number of I/Os.   H If only one process at a time opens the file, global buffers don't help.G -----------------------------------------------------------------------hG Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospamiF VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 18:38:18 +0000e7 From: Lothar Geyer <Lothar.Geyer@EDV-Berater-Online.de>i3 Subject: Re: Tuning an RMS indexed HSM catalog file-5 Message-ID: <3A5B5A9A.B3871F80@EDV-Berater-Online.de>r  H It's a long time that I had to work a lot with ISAM files. As I rememberD there was a trick to set the number of global buffers that all index> buckets where maintained in memory. Could anybody give a hint?   Lothar Geyer   kparris@my-deja.com schrieb: >  > plugge@usa.net wrote: E > > Should the qualifier for /ANA and the FDL file parameter point toe > > different files? > G > They can, but since EDIT/FDL will be reading the original file beforeoI > it creates the output file, using the same filename will just result in ? > creating a second version of the FDL file with the sane name.s > : > > 2) How do you determine the current number of buckets? > >s > > $ DIR /FULL {catalog}. > >o+ > > File Attribute: ... maximum bucket sizee > E > Uh, this actually gives you the size of the largest bucket, not the  > number of buckets. > 8 > > 7) How does the cluster size affect the bucket size? > >t6 > > The bucket size is a multiple of the cluster size. > >bF > > *** Problem: my current cluster size is 18 and my bucket max is 12 > E > Cluster size is just the number of blocks covered by one bit in the-E > allocation bit map, BITMAP.SYS.  So the size of the file must be an H > integer multiple of the cluster size.  But within the file, the bucket1 > size(s) can be different from the cluster size.  > I > The EDIT/FDL/NOINTERACTIVE optimization script uses the cluster size as G > the minimum bucket size by default.  This is not necessarily optimal.cE > As disk sizes have grown over the years, default cluster sizes have4B > grown dramatically.  You can override the default bucket size by2 > editing the .FDL file before you do the CONVERT. > ( > > Global buffers allows shared access. > H > You can have shared access whether you have global buffers or not.  ByI > default, RMS uses local buffers, that is, buffers within each process'seG > local address space.  One process cannot read another process's localiE > buffers.  Global buffers are useful when more than one process on arG > node simultaneously accesses a file.  All processes on the node which:I > have the file open can share the same set of global buffers, instead of F > each process needing a local buffer copy of buckets for its own use.3 > This saves memory and reduces the number of I/Os.e > J > If only one process at a time opens the file, global buffers don't help.I > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I > Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospamoH > VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals >  > Sent via Deja.comh > http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:57:58 +01001 From: "Carlo Mussche" <vec.60730CM@memo.volvo.se>o! Subject: unexpected network errorn4 Message-ID: <93ffuf$rj212@eccws12.dearborn.ford.com>   hello,    . I'm using samba 2.0.6 now with VMS 7.1 (alpha)/ but everytime I want to map from my NT to a dir  I get the errord  " "Unexpected network error occured"  0 I tried to do some debugging using smbclient  -L   resulting in  #     -client started (version 2.0.6)t	     .....      -session request oke    .....     -password:.......m    .....     -session setup ok'      -tree connect failed: code 0  E (smbd is started as a daemon and there is nothing else on my port139)b    ' does anybody knows how I can solve this    carlosK (I have already had a quick look in the FAQ but didn't find the solution to  solve my problem)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:59:41 -0500o  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comC Subject: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)a4 Message-ID: <C22569CF.00519B5E.00@jklh21.valmet.com>   >To:  Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  >cc:, >Subject: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4 >r >[snip]b >  > K >I hope someone hurries up and finishes V7.2-3, so we can have all this funh againh >when V7.3-2 comes out  :-)y >g  P I for one am at a loss to explain the numerous times V7.2-1 and V7.2-1 have beenP confusedly transposed, especially in the ECO space.   This is like when the bankK screws up your statement and then if you ask them how you can believe theird interest? calculations they can't understand why you would question them.k  O The whole profession is about attention to detail and careful checking.  If the- edits-M and the copies-to-directory are treated this cavalierly, how can we trust then code....  O What I don't want is to have to wait 30 days before applying an ECO to see what  problemsP others have found with it; that's not the level of quality I have come to expect from OpenVMS.   -Norm-  N P.S. I know, nobody is perfect.  I'll get over it.  It's just that when I sign my work,P I try to make it the best work I can do, and when I ship it, I check the address and:N for postage before I hand it over.  You can't test every path, but some things should
 be oblivious.t   >--o >Robert Deininger  >rdeininger@mindspring.com >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:25:59 -0500e  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comG Subject: Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)o4 Message-ID: <C22569CF.00540345.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  
 Hi, Steve," You get the prize for being first.P As I wipe the egg from my face I can only alibi that this is a note, not an ECO.	 It sounds ' quite lame as I read it back to myself. P Maybe the scheme should be V7.2-A, V7.2-B, V7.2-C after all.  That would fit the	 field and + allow 26 bundled-ECO kits without breaking.0 -Norm0        8 Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk on 01/09/2001 09:59:21 AM   To:   Norm Raphael cc: H Subject:  Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)        L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza     Hi Norm,  P You said "I for one am at a loss to explain the numerous times V7.2-1 and V7.2-1	 have beenr4 confusedly transposed, especially in the ECO space."   How would anyone tell...   ;^Dn   Steve Spires        4 norm.raphael@jamesbury.com on 09/01/2001 02:59:41 PM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) @ From:      norm.raphael@jamesbury.com, 9 January 2001, 2:59 p.m.  : Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)                     >To:  Info-VAX@mvb.saic.como >cc:, >Subject: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4 >  >[snip]  >  > K >I hope someone hurries up and finishes V7.2-3, so we can have all this fun  again0 >when V7.3-2 comes out  :-)  >   K I for one am at a loss to explain the numerous times  V7.2-1 (oops, V7.1-2)LH and V7.2-1 have been confusedly transposed, especially in the ECO space.G This is like when the bank screws up your statement and then if you askAJ them how you can believe their interest calculations they can't understand why you would question them.  O The whole profession is about attention to detail and careful checking.  If the O edits and the copies-to-directory are treated this cavalierly, how can we trust  the code....  O What I don't want is to have to wait 30 days before applying an ECO to see what O problems others have found with it; that's not the level of quality I have come  to expect from OpenVMS.    -Norme  N P.S. I know, nobody is perfect.  I'll get over it.  It's just that when I signM my work, I try to make it the best work I can do, and when I ship it, I checkBN the address and for postage before I hand it over.  You can't test every path,$ but some things should be oblivious.   >--t >Robert Deininger$ >rdeininger@mindspring.com >.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:53:45 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)G Subject: Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4) L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0901011153460001@user-2ive7sg.dialup.mindspring.com>  V In article <C22569CF.00519B5E.00@jklh21.valmet.com>, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:     M > I for one am at a loss to explain the numerous times V7.2-1 and V7.2-1 haveu > been6 > confusedly transposed, especially in the ECO space.   	I reported an ECO accessibility problem to the "web feedback" thingy on the web pages.  I did get a response back fairly quickly.  She says there's no problem, and I say there is.  We are going around in circles at this point, but I'm still hoping for a resolution.    > This is like when the bankM > screws up your statement and then if you ask them how you can believe their 
 > interestA > calculations they can't understand why you would question them.-  K LOL!  Been there, done that.  I believe that my pestering pushed a chain of F banks to switch from compound interest to simple interest.  Turned outB they couldn't do that right, either.  Kind of scary to wait on theN phone while the whole accounting department argues about the correct interest,H and all of them shouting different numbers across the room.  Still, moreI interesting than listening to Muzak, so I'm glad they forgot to press thec "hold" button!  H I'm a big believer in reporting problems when I find them.  I think mostN folks don't report.  But how will anything get fixed if nobody knows about it?   -- s Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comt   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:29:54 -0500% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>aG Subject: Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4) / Message-ID: <t5mils37uiqu52@news.supernews.com>j  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message F news:rdeininger-0901011153460001@user-2ive7sg.dialup.mindspring.com...6 > In article <C22569CF.00519B5E.00@jklh21.valmet.com>,! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:  >s > J > > I for one am at a loss to explain the numerous times V7.2-1 and V7.2-1 have > > been7 > > confusedly transposed, especially in the ECO space.y >rI > I reported an ECO accessibility problem to the "web feedback" thingy onaL the web pages.  I did >get a response back fairly quickly.  She says there'sH no problem, and I say there is.  We are >going around in circles at this- point, but I'm still hoping for a resolution.n  L Sounds like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.  Here'sH an excerpt of a message I received this morning from the OpenVMS patches
 mailing list.       L **************************************************************************** ***    * *   % * This is a newly released patch... *e   * *     * Online links can be found at *   *-L http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/vms/axp/v7.1-2/dec-axpvms-vms71 2_sys-v0200--4.README   L **************************************************************************** ***2      L TITLE: OpenVMS VMS712_SYS-V0200 Alpha V7.1-2 System Component ECO Summary ON HOLD     Modification Date: 08-JAN-2001  > Modification Type: Documentation: Added description of fix for   SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE error.   D Copyright (c) Compaq Computer Corporation 2001. All rights reserved.  K ***************************************************************************    OPENVMS REMEDIAL KIT   HOLD NOTIFICATION        Date: Jan 04, 2001  - Kit Name: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4.PCSI    Release Date: Jan 02, 2001   PROBLEM STATEMENT:  A After installing the DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4.PCSI kit, then  G system version is changed to V7.2-1 from the correct version of V7.1-2.        PROBLEM SYMPTOM:  H After kit installation, a SHOW SYSTEM command shows a version of V7.2-1.       WORKAROUND:   @ From the SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR] directory run SYSVER and enter the   following commands:    $ RUN SYSVER   SYSVERSION> REPLACE "V7.1-2"   SYSVERSION> WRITE    SYSVERSION> EXIT  @ After rebooting the system will be reset to the correct version.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 13:07:02 -0500   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comG Subject: Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4) 4 Message-ID: <C22569CF.0062C138.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  M In this case, the left hand reported the problem both here and to Compaq, ande thecN other left hand (Hoff et al) came up with the workaround - which only works if you are O careful and reboot an extra time - along with the recommendation that those whoi hadm6 not applied the ECO should wait for the corrected ECO.  K The right hand, OTOH, seems not to know how to edit V7.2-1 into V7.1-2 when 
 publishingM ECO's that were developed for the higher version and are being ported back to  the earlierwM version.  It also sometimes gets the edit correct, then stores the ECO in the  wrong directory P on the ECO server (just another typo).  In other words, this is not the first or last  time for this N particular mis-edit, although where it will occur next is a constant surprise.  P Please let me say that I am not picking on the overworked folks who support this process.7 They have always been extremely helpful and responsive.   O We lefties just wish for Djikstra-like bugfree code the first time even when wei
 know just how H difficult that is to achieve.   It has become necessary to wait a decent interval while those whoseP systems are not mission-critical (or those whose system are mission-critical and have theP problem corrected by the ECO) apply the ECO and report the quality problems back so theJ ECO can be redone, a more frequent occurance of late and a lamentable one.              ( John@mvpsi.com on 01/09/2001 12:29:54 PM   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comn cc: H Subject:  Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)        ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageeF news:rdeininger-0901011153460001@user-2ive7sg.dialup.mindspring.com...6 > In article <C22569CF.00519B5E.00@jklh21.valmet.com>,! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:l >e >aJ > > I for one am at a loss to explain the numerous times V7.2-1 and V7.2-1 have > > been7 > > confusedly transposed, especially in the ECO space.g >eI > I reported an ECO accessibility problem to the "web feedback" thingy on L the web pages.  I did >get a response back fairly quickly.  She says there'sH no problem, and I say there is.  We are >going around in circles at this- point, but I'm still hoping for a resolution..  L Sounds like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.  Here'sH an excerpt of a message I received this morning from the OpenVMS patches
 mailing list.z      L **************************************************************************** ***n   * *e  % * This is a newly released patch... *l   * *i    * Online links can be found at *   *yL http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/vms/axp/v7.1-2/dec-axpvms-vms71 2_sys-v0200--4.READMEp  L **************************************************************************** ***o      L TITLE: OpenVMS VMS712_SYS-V0200 Alpha V7.1-2 System Component ECO Summary ON HOLD     Modification Date: 08-JAN-2001  > Modification Type: Documentation: Added description of fix for   SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE error.t  D Copyright (c) Compaq Computer Corporation 2001. All rights reserved.  K ***************************************************************************a   OPENVMS REMEDIAL KIT   HOLD NOTIFICATIONc       Date: Jan 04, 2001  - Kit Name: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4.PCSIu   Release Date: Jan 02, 2001   PROBLEM STATEMENT:  A After installing the DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4.PCSI kit, theu  G system version is changed to V7.2-1 from the correct version of V7.1-2.m       PROBLEM SYMPTOM:  H After kit installation, a SHOW SYSTEM command shows a version of V7.2-1.       WORKAROUND:f  @ From the SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR] directory run SYSVER and enter the   following commands:s   $ RUN SYSVER   SYSVERSION> REPLACE "V7.1-2"   SYSVERSION> WRITE    SYSVERSION> EXIT  @ After rebooting the system will be reset to the correct version.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:11:28 -0500c) From: Rick Barry <barry@star.zko.dec.com>oY Subject: Re: [Update] APACHE (CSWS) + MOD_PERL = No private process logicalsdefinablein Lt0 Message-ID: <3A5B2A1F.14C898E3@star.zko.dec.com>   Andy Stoffel wrote:   ? > Rick Barry (Compaq) was kind enough to check into this and toO > paraphrase/shorten > what he told me: >dH >      In CSWS, mod_perl is currently reinitializing the process logicalG >     name table for EVERY http request so defining process logicals inb- >     LOGIN.COM or  SYLOGIN.COM doesn't work.a >uF > In my case, defining the logicals I need for the web application I'mA > dealing with later on in a CGI script (one of several suggested = > work-arounds) is possible but cumbersome. Hopefully, a lesshE > "scorched-earth"  approach to dealing with the process logical nameu/ > table by mod_perl  + CSWS will be worked out.e >f > -Andy-  ? The folks who did the mod_perl/perl ports since explained to meiH that the process logical name table does not get "cleaned out" for everyH HTTP request if mod_perl is not executing any Perl scripts. So, there is noC negative performance impact for mod_perl related to request cleanup & unless you are executing Perl scripts.  D Because the server process  runs the mod_perl initialization code at startup,E the process logical names get cleaned out and are not available to bei	 inheritedcI by the spawned CGI process. I may have left out a few subtle details, butu that's the general picture.   G We'll look at what can be done to preserve the process logical names inbC a future release in order to avoid those inconvenient work-arounds.u   --
 Rick Barry  3 Compaq Secure Web Server (CSWS) - Development Groupa Compaq Computer Corporatione
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