0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 10 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 19      Contents:" Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??" Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??" RE: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??* RE: (SAMBA 2.0.6) unexpected network error! Re: Adding link libraries to DECC 6 Re: Asking an app to temporarily relinquish a resource Bar Code printer Cluster Alias under Decnet OSI" Re: Cluster Alias under Decnet OSI( Re: Compaq stockholders affecting policy4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 RE: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution8 CSWS v1.0-1: Apache Webserver -- errors running scripts?< Re: CSWS v1.0-1: Apache Webserver -- errors running scripts?" Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4+ DECNet dyslexia (was: Re: Version dyslexia) 6 RE: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NAS Re: easysoft's odbc for rms # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again + How do I set my local timezone in my shell? / Re: How do I set my local timezone in my shell? P Re: HW/SW for Chip Fabs (was: Compaq: A simple,affordable cluster ingsolution) s	 LN08 info  Re: locked file  MOUNT /NOWRITE Re: OpenVMS opportunities  Re: OpenVMS opportunities  Re: OpenVMS opportunities  Re: OpenVMS opportunities  Re: OpenVMS opportunities 2 PATHWORKS security - restricting access from a PC?5 Problem Logging Into DECWindows - LMF License Check?? - Random out-of-context "Ask the Wizard" quote. 1 Re: Random out-of-context "Ask the Wizard" quote. 1 Re: Random out-of-context "Ask the Wizard" quote. $ Re: Setting resolution on DECWindows SPXgt video board * Re: Tuning an RMS indexed HSM catalog file* Re: Tuning an RMS indexed HSM catalog file> Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)> Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4) Wizard Disappears!!! Re: Wizard Disappears!!! Re: Wizard Disappears!!! Re: Wizard Disappears!!! Re: Wizard Disappears!!! Re: Wizard Disappears!!!6 Re: [Q] Which model Exabyte in TKZ09 and TKZ15 drives?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:05:12 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> + Subject: Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS?? + Message-ID: <3A5B7CFF.B225E86@videotron.ca>    "Main, Kerry" wrote:L > Please do not base any future strategy decisions on one person from OracleL > who may not fully understand the question you are asking (and who does not3 > have a title and phone number in their response).   H You may have inside information. But if the customer is told "NO" by theH critter than answers the phone (or emails), then the customer goes away.  M If Compaq always pitches an NT on proliant cluster solution to customers that 3 ask for a robuts platform, then VMS won't be sold.    M If Compaq expects VMS to survive only with customers who know better than its H sales force and are determined enough to fight all the "sorry this isn'tC available" to get to the truth then this isn't too good a strategy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:58:08 +0100 / From: "F Adolfsson" <nospam@localhost.spamwarn> + Subject: Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS?? 5 Message-ID: <vxN66.1324$K12.3691@nntpserver.swip.net>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3A5B7CFF.B225E86@videotron.ca...  > "Main, Kerry" wrote:B > > Please do not base any future strategy decisions on one person from Oracle E > > who may not fully understand the question you are asking (and who  does not5 > > have a title and phone number in their response).  > F > You may have inside information. But if the customer is told "NO" by the D > critter than answers the phone (or emails), then the customer goes away.  > @ > If Compaq always pitches an NT on proliant cluster solution to customers that4 > ask for a robuts platform, then VMS won't be sold. > F > If Compaq expects VMS to survive only with customers who know better than itsD > sales force and are determined enough to fight all the "sorry this isn't E > available" to get to the truth then this isn't too good a strategy.   = True. Don't expect potential customers to dig, and dig again. F Recently, I was not far from having to "loose" the VMS Alpha as a partE of our "IS platforms" (and it is a small and diminishing part). Upper E management people thought it was dead since it never appears anywhere , (Cpq must aim for always and everywhere!!!).   Regards  Fad    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:34:30 -0600 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> + Subject: RE: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS?? N Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284BB7@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   JF,   L I agree with you that the person answering the phones for any company SHOULDJ be very knowledgeable and very current on all of the products they supportD and never make mistakes when giving out product related information.  K However, any Customer in charge of making serious long term decisions about L any products impacting their companies future should NOT be making decisionsG based on the answer provided by what might possibly be a rookie Support D Center persons response (and I am not saying this is the case here).  B Imho, the decision should be based on official memo's from productC management and official statements of directions from the vendor in 	 question.   = That goes for all products on all platforms from all vendors.   K In this particular case, if there are doubts about what Oracle is saying in J their official Statement of Direction, I would recommend contacting Oracle( Product Management for a clarification.    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca] Sent: January 9, 2001 4:05 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + Subject: Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??      "Main, Kerry" wrote:L > Please do not base any future strategy decisions on one person from OracleL > who may not fully understand the question you are asking (and who does not3 > have a title and phone number in their response).   H You may have inside information. But if the customer is told "NO" by theH critter than answers the phone (or emails), then the customer goes away.  H If Compaq always pitches an NT on proliant cluster solution to customers that3 ask for a robuts platform, then VMS won't be sold.    I If Compaq expects VMS to survive only with customers who know better than  its H sales force and are determined enough to fight all the "sorry this isn'tC available" to get to the truth then this isn't too good a strategy.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 19:01:04 -0500 2 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)3 Subject: RE: (SAMBA 2.0.6) unexpected network error + Message-ID: <kTDVGRzqAU0C@eisner.decus.org>   4 In article <93ffuf$rj212@eccws12.dearborn.ford.com>,3 "Carlo Mussche" <vec.60730CM#memo.volvo.se> writes:  > hello, > 0 > I'm using samba 2.0.6 now with VMS 7.1 (alpha)1 > but everytime I want to map from my NT to a dir  > I get the error  > $ > "Unexpected network error occured" > 2 > I tried to do some debugging using smbclient  -L >  > resulting in > % >     -client started (version 2.0.6)  >     .....  >     -session request ok 
 >    ..... >     -password:....... 
 >    ..... >     -session setup ok " >     -tree connect failed: code 0 > 8 > (smbd is started as a daemon and there is nothing else >  on my port139)   ) > does anybody knows how I can solve this   ? The SMBD process logs it's output to a file in SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR] 9 by default.  Reading the logs may show why it is failing.   > There is a logical name that I can not remember off the top of@ my head referenced in the DCL command file that is used to start@ the SMBD process that will allow you to set a higher debug level8 if a more clear explaination is not present in the logs.  > The SMBCLIENT program can also turn on more enhanced debugging- information with the "-d 4" or higher number.   ; In the SAMBA package, there should be a text file on how to : troubleshoot a SAMBA installation named diagnosis.txt, and also an HTML version.   - To read it online, go to http://www.samba.org   : Select a mirror suitable for your location, and follow the= documentation link.  On this documentation page there will be 5 manuals for SAMBA 2.0.7, including a section labeled: - "Older (but hopefully still valid) misc docs"   9 As I check now, the DIAGNOSIS.HTML file is the 5th bullet  item under the Older misc docs.   ? The SAMBA 2.0.7 release is not significantly different from the ; 2.0.6 release and almost all the information in the manuals  should be useful.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 18:58:10 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: Adding link libraries to DECC6 Message-ID: <93fn02$apf$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  o In article <93flkv$uul$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net> writes: : :I got it to link by issuing the following before linking: : 1 :$ define/nolog LNK$LIBRARY SYS$LIBRARY:VAXCCURSE 0 :$ define/nolog LNK$LIBRARY_1 SYS$LIBRARY:VMSLIB1 :$ define/nolog LNK$LIBRARY_2 SYS$LIBRARY:VAXCRTL  : 5 :Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.   E   Um, if you got pointed to VAX C RTL, be very aware that you need to E   read up on VAX C and Compaq C compatibility, and be very careful...   H   If you have the VAX C source code involved, recompile it using Compaq E   C with /PREFIX=ALL/STANDARD=VAXC.  If you have Compaq C code or can G   convert your VAX C source code to meet ANSI C requirements -- a good  G   idea, BTW, as the Compaq C compiler tends to find and report various  C   lurking and latent bugs -- then you will want to use /PREFIX=ALL, B   either with the default /STANDARD, or with a more restrictive...  G   See the details of the /PREFIX stuff and the VAX C coexistence stuff  H   in the Compaq C (for OpenVMS VAX) documentation, and see some related ,   information on /PREFIX in the OpenVMS FAQ.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 03:34:03 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>? Subject: Re: Asking an app to temporarily relinquish a resource 0 Message-ID: <87g0isv7tg.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  6 > For extra credit, solve the same problem in oonix...  > Simple. You take 2 E10Ks, plug a modme and  TWO backup systems
 in to each...   @ If you want this to work other than 9-5 weekday, system holidays@ excepted, you will have to sigh a NDA, and apply for the special Sun golden program.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 23:11:26 -0500 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Bar Code printer 7 Message-ID: <200101092311_MC2-C110-1F0F@compuserve.com>   # Message text written by Alvin Small H >I am trying to add an IBM bar code printer to our system.  Instead of aH bar code it prints out numbers.  I have the save problem with a Zebra. =  * Can any one tell me where I'm going wrong? <   H         Since you haven't really told us what you are doing, there's notG much chance that anybody will be able to answer you in anything but the  most general terms.   D         Try reading the programming manual for the printer; you mustJ somehow tell it that you want to print a barcode instead of text and, whe= n 6 you are done, you must tell it to return to text mode.  D         If all else fails, you might try telling us the model of theE printer, the version of VMS, how the printer is attached, how you are J trying to place it in bar code mode (select the barcode font), etc, etc. =  H It might also be helpful to tell us exactly what you sent to the printer and exactly what it printed.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 18:49:45 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> ' Subject: Cluster Alias under Decnet OSI D Message-ID: <d3J66.1095$Cy.76802@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  E I cannot seem to find a part number for the DVNETEXT license, which I B believe we need to turn our AlphaVMS 7.2-1 system with DECnet PlusG installed.  I tried searching Businesslink (or what remains of it), but  could not come up with it.  D The only reference I could find on the web page was that DVNETEXT is! required to enable cluster alias.   K We are moving an application that runs on VAX systems to Alpha systems, and H the application makes a lot of use of Cluster Aliases for load balancing	 purposes.   A Does anyone know the list price of DVNETEXT for all three classes ) (workgroup, departmental and enterprise)?    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:00:33 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> + Subject: Re: Cluster Alias under Decnet OSI D Message-ID: <ldJ66.1100$Cy.76914@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  , I am going to try that first sentence again:  E I cannot seem to find a part number for the DVNETEXT license, which I ? believe we need to ENABLE CLUSTER ALIASES ON our AlphaVMS 7.2-1 L system with DECnet Plus installed .  I tried searching Businesslink (or what. remains of it), but could not come up with it.  J I need to know the price to determine whether it is more cost effective to. change the application, or to buy the license.  : "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message> news:d3J66.1095$Cy.76802@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...G > I cannot seem to find a part number for the DVNETEXT license, which I D > believe we need to turn our AlphaVMS 7.2-1 system with DECnet PlusI > installed.  I tried searching Businesslink (or what remains of it), but  > could not come up with it. > F > The only reference I could find on the web page was that DVNETEXT is# > required to enable cluster alias.  > I > We are moving an application that runs on VAX systems to Alpha systems,  and J > the application makes a lot of use of Cluster Aliases for load balancing > purposes.  > C > Does anyone know the list price of DVNETEXT for all three classes + > (workgroup, departmental and enterprise)?  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:53:04 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <A_C_Bustamante@earthlink.net>1 Subject: Re: Compaq stockholders affecting policy @ Message-ID: <A_J66.246$mU.8344@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  I If the issue is raised to the general body of stockholders "Compaq is not E marketing/exploiting and allowing this business to wither" you'll see F action.  It needs to be presented as a neglected business opportunity.   -- Andy Bustamante  Remove the ASCII 95s to reply 4 richard n. frank <rnfrank@llnl.gov> wrote in message8 news:4.2.0.58.20010108125452.00b0ad00@poptop.llnl.gov...J > Someone in this thread said,"... buy as many shares of Compaq ...We will > then exert what E >  >leverage we can muster and force Capellas and the others to begin L >  >proactively marketing VMS or face ouster by demand of the stockholders." > L > There are 1,700,000,000 shares of common stock outstanding.  Get a grip onJ > reality. People who own stock .and. people who understand VMS will never  > have an impact on Compaq Corp. >            rich) >tB > DISCLAIMER: This is not the opinion of the U.S. Government, DOE,4 > UC, or LLNL. It may not even really be my opinion.L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --! > -------------------------------e4 > At 08:00 PM 1/8/01 +0100, Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:D > >In article <3A59103D.6C44E836@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"( > ><djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes: > > >Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:f > > >> > > >> In articlenG > > <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284B97@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>,p1 > > "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes:iJ > > >> >>>> If CPQ had intended to outswap VMS into hibernation mode, they > > wouldn'tH > > >> >have bothered with V7.3, or with the Oracle partnership. I don't thinkoL > > >> >they'd be hiring developers, either. (If you're a Compaqtian and you	 > > bringp9 > > >> >in a qualified VMS hire, you get a $5K bounty)<<<  > > >> >B > > >> >Yep, and likely the openVMS Engineering group would not be aggressivelyJ > > >> >hiring college graduates either ie. focus on long term, new idea's
 > > and goingr > > >> >after youth. > > >> > > > >> >Reference:I > > >> ><http://www.compaq.com/inFORM/issues/issue32/human-int-29-b.html>d > > >> > > >> Come on, Kerry.B > > >> We all know that OpenVMS engineering was never the problem.E > > >> The marketing, ads and sales were and unfortunately still are.d > > >>I > > >> Yes, the Q top management might have changed their mind about VMS,oA > > >> but what we still see here is, that VMS is on its way out.s > > >qH > > >So, then - the answer to the perennial question, "what can *WE* do"L > > >would seem to be as Terry and others have suggested: every one who can,J > > >buy as many shares of Compaq as your finances will responsibly allow.J > > >Remember that the stock certificates must be in *YOUR* name, not that ofL > > >your retirement account or its management firm. We will then exert whatF > > >leverage we can muster and force Capellas and the others to beginL > > >proactively marketing VMS or face ouster by demand of the stockholders. > > >oJ > > >This seems the only effective recourse available. I urge everyone who0 > > >can to participate actively in this effort. > >P; > >Sigh. This is of course possible, even from my location.AB > >But I would have lost half of my money over the last 9 weeks... > >! > >--i? > >Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651r> > >Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888? > ><<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.net-K > >A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"m >F   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 19:19:56 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)e= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutiont+ Message-ID: <93fo8s$gpl$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>c  = In article <2_D66.12164$BI2.3220372@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,n7  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:r |>M |> That's true in the USA as well. A good friend of mine, Charlie Matco, usedtN |> his ten shares of DEC stock to get in the door at a DEC annual meeting backL |> in 1987 when Charlie's employer was subjected to an editorial embargo andN |> Cone of Silence. What's more, stockholders get proxy statements, which shed5 |> interesting light on executive compensation plans.  |> e  D Of course, everyone here is assuming that all the other stockholdersE (undoubtedly non-VMS-techies) are going to agree with them that there-F is money in this VMS thing that they have never heard of as opposed to  PC's that everyone has heard of.  G Someone said that there are 1.7 billion shares outstanding.  That meansvI you would have to buy significantly more than 850 million shares in ordereI to change their direction.  That amounts to a hostile takeover and is not,2 the kind of thing that common people can pull off.  F Seems to me that ti would be easier (and probably cheaper) to just get) Compaq to sell you the VMS division.  :-)    bill   -- aJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 19:23:42 GMTo1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)m= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution + Message-ID: <93fofu$gpl$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>o  L In article <rdeininger-0901011141170001@user-2ive7sg.dialup.mindspring.com>,5  rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:p |> iN |> I think it was Sony where Charlton Heston (small stockholder, but big name)N > used this method.  He simply stood up at the annual meeting and read out theO > lyrics to a horribly offensive song, then asked if this was the sort of thingsO > Sony wanted its name attached to.  After ignoring complaints for months, this-P > stunt was enough to get Sony to sell off the record company that was promoting > the song, and others like it.  |> cP |> Charlton Heston probably has the voice and "presence" to make this work.  I'm > sure I don't.c  C This was also an emotional appeal on a totally non-technical issue.g  B Who among the other stockholders and board members is likely to beC emotionally moved about the potential demise of VMS??  Most of themn8 have never heard of it and probably can't even spell it.   bill   -- gJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   i   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 03:23:58 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution 0 Message-ID: <87ofxgv8a9.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  2 andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:    $ Hello Andrew, Where HAVE you been...   E-Bay able to get it up yet?   -- I< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:09:31 -0800n! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com2= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionuD Message-ID: <OF8CE9E760.A39D0768-ON882569CF.006E6D64@foundation.com>  F I'm not convinced we'd really need to own 850mil plus shares to changeH Compaq's direction.  Bare minimum would be one share, one speaker, and aB convincing argument people can understand.  If we get enough otherF shareholders to agree with us we don't need to own the shares. We alsoI don't need all 850 million, just a big enough percentage that they sit uph and take notice.  G OK, we'd have to make do without Charlton Heston, but you can't tell me 0 there isn't a good speaker or two in this group.   Shanei          E bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) on 01/09/2001 11:19:56 AMo  & Please respond to bill@cs.scranton.edu   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms cc:t  > Subject:  Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution    = In article <2_D66.12164$BI2.3220372@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,.7  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  |>H |> That's true in the USA as well. A good friend of mine, Charlie Matco, usedI |> his ten shares of DEC stock to get in the door at a DEC annual meetings backH |> in 1987 when Charlie's employer was subjected to an editorial embargo and I |> Cone of Silence. What's more, stockholders get proxy statements, whichw shed5 |> interesting light on executive compensation plans.s |>  D Of course, everyone here is assuming that all the other stockholdersE (undoubtedly non-VMS-techies) are going to agree with them that there:F is money in this VMS thing that they have never heard of as opposed to  PC's that everyone has heard of.  G Someone said that there are 1.7 billion shares outstanding.  That meansyI you would have to buy significantly more than 850 million shares in order I to change their direction.  That amounts to a hostile takeover and is noti2 the kind of thing that common people can pull off.  F Seems to me that ti would be easier (and probably cheaper) to just get) Compaq to sell you the VMS division.  :-)w   bill   --J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:07:09 -0500d- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>g= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution , Message-ID: <3A5B7D74.80151E18@videotron.ca>   Robert Deininger wrote:  > I think it was Sony where Charlton Heston (small stockholder, but big name) used this method.  He simply stood up at the annual meeting and read out the lyrics to a horribly offensive song,t  L I was expecting him to take out his guns. His association with the gun lobby6 has erase any other image of mayt have had of the guy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 13:40:51 -0800-0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionj, Message-ID: <3A5B14E3.6244A586@Mvb.Saic.Com>   andrew harrison wrote: > H > Why would this be suprising. Oracle sales people are goaled on selling > theirhF > applications, selling the DBMS isn't enough. As you know Oracle only	 > supporteI > a very small subset of their applications portfolio on OpenVMS so it isCF > unsuprising that their sales people steer clear of OpenVMS, they are > lessD > likely to make their targets if they steer people towards OpenVMS.  C Nay.  Not so.  I have a good friend who works for Oracle and VMS isaG getting a very big push inside Oracle.  In fact, he asked me if I couldbE teach him anything about VMS so he could understand why it was such ao( popular (his word) system for databases.  
 Mark Berryman  Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:56:15 -0500o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>d= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutione, Message-ID: <3A5B7AE7.1B0EB698@videotron.ca>   Nigel Arnot wrote:L > Anyone know if this has ever really happened? (Small stockholder persuades2 > large stockholder(s) to pressurize big company?)  M One small guy use the tactics your described to force banks in Canada to makeXI changes but he also used the courts and I beleive with one bank, won with-N enough force to get the bank to pay for all his legal fees. At first the banksL dismissed him as just an annoying fly, but he persisted and the fly got more and more annoying...  N I think that the trick is reallyto show that Compaq , in its current state, isN jeoperdizing its profits because it isn't taking care of the profit generatingK divisions. And also to point out that Compaq could signioficantlty increasevN profits if it were to presnet VMS as an alternative to NT and raise VMS sales.L It wouldn't be hard to raise VMS sales significabntly. If you increase sales2 from 1 to 2., you've just increased sales by 100%.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 22:27:05 GMT 2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutiona, Message-ID: <93g37p$oou@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  a In article <9355o5$rue@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:-= >Today in the mail there was a small glossy flyer from Compaq @ >offering to sell me "A simple, affordable clustering solution."   Which wasn't VMS and etc.0  J Today at 7:40 AM PST (bet they get mostly answering machines at that hour)K I received what appeared to be a followup call on that mailing.  The callersJ said she was representing Compaq and some other company I'd never heard ofJ (and promptly forgot, it was the people who'd been hired to carry out thisI campaign).  It soon became apparent that the sole purpose of the call waseK to see if they might later pitch a W2000 Proliant server sale.  When I toldr@ her that my main machine ran VMS, and the file server for the NTG workstations was a Linux box, it pretty much deflated her balloon.  SheoD wasn't at all interested in any of that, nor in the many Alpha/Linux  machines we crunch numbers with.  K One might have thought that when a Compaq representative, even a hired gun, J finds herself on the phone with a customer who owns numerous Compaq AlphasK she would be prepared to handle the situation to Compaq's advantage.  Did InJ want to buy some more DS10s?  How about an upgrade on that VMS server to aI DS20, ES40, or higher?  Did I want to talk to somebody who could pitch an F Alpha?  Nope, none of that. She didn't even inquire as to which Alpha J models we had - for all she knew we were packed to the walls with high endI GS models and had a yearly budget running into 7 or 8 figures.  (I wish!)7  G All she cared about was the PC end of it.  Well, that and she wanted torG know which company we "partnered with for web design".  But even the PCnJ side of this exchange was handled poorly: after she learned that we had NTJ workstations she didn't follow that lead at all, for instance, by pitchingH workstation sales immediately or offering to redirect me to somebody whoD could provide me with information on Compaq's workstation products.   G If this is typical of Compaq salesmanship then it's a miracle that they  sell anything at all.    David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech uJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 18:51:21 -0500t* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)= Subject: re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutioni+ Message-ID: <4ve74lAxx3YH@eisner.decus.org>n  i In article <009F5DBA.629E971E.10@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:iJ >> So, no thanks, I don't think that I will buy (Q or other) shares in theK >> near future at all. Or asked the other way, how much shares would I haveEI >> to buy to get an influence ? Millions ? For so much money, I will quit = >> immediately and forget VMS and the business alltogether...( >> a >> -- ? >> Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651r > K > I don't know how it works in the USA, but in the UK ownership of a singletB > share in your name entitles you to attend the AGM (and any EGM). > K > This, in turn, might allow you to ask an awkward question for all presentaL > to hear (a tactic that is probably not useful unless you know of somethingJ > verging on the illegal and want to whistle-blow). It also allows you to O > meet the people who are there to represent the interests of big stockholders,ML > which might be useful if you are both well-prepared and good at talking toH > strangers. If you could persuade someone with responsibility for half E > a billion in Compaq stock that Compaq's marketing strategy was all oE > screwed up, it's possible that real pressure might then be exerted.bI > You'd have to be very convincing, in ways that a financial-analyst typee > would understand.n > M > Anyone know if this has ever really happened? (Small stockholder persuades r2 > large stockholder(s) to pressurize big company?)  < Another route to pressuring the company is to find out whichA securities analysts do coverage of Compaq stock.  Send letters to A those analysts stating that Compaq is missing out on a big sourcee= of revenue by not promoting VMS and how it would be ideal for = internet operations that need scalability, reliablility, etc.m@ They report this information to other analysts and friends that ? CPQ is missing out on a lot of potential revenue, and if they'do= just start promoting VMS as this "battle proven internet blaho= blah buzzword lingo jargon super server" their stock will topa? sixty dollars a share by year end.  They start accumulating the-@ stock and they tell their best friends to do so, too.  Soon, the= word "leaks" out to the press about this "hidden treasure" inE; VMS.  Faster than you can say "insider trading" everyone isa= interested in this stock that the analysts say will triple by = year end.  CPQ head honcos get wind of the how and why of the0> buzz and are forced to promote VMS to make the analysts right.  @ Everyone knows the stock market is run by a handful of analysts  and media wonks, right?  ;^p   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:51:05 -0600.+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>h= Subject: RE: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution N Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284BB8@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   Hey Andrew !  J Hopefully you have a good holidays .. Nice to see you back here again. :-)  @ >>> As you know Oracle only support a very small subset of theirG applications portfolio on OpenVMS so it is unsuprising that their sales>L people steer clear of OpenVMS, they are less likely to make their targets if& they steer people towards OpenVMS.>>>   < Please, you can do better than that.. here's one for you ...  I "What middleware product strategy would you (or Sun in general) recommend 8 for a Customer that wanted an Oracle database solution?"   :-)    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660h Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]y Sent: January 9, 2001 11:39 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionO     Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > J > In article <OF7DF1ACF8.F6A1302F-ON802569CE.004F42D7@qedi.quintiles.com>," steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:D > >I definitely go with Terry on this one.  The DII-COE work is very	 importantnK > >to the future of VMS and future application support.  I could easily seevL > >Oracle making a great deal of use of it since they would not have as much; > >work to do in generating the VMS port of their products.a > 2 > Hopefully, the waves comes soon across the pond.G > Here, the local ORACLE branch still asks "What is VMS ? This old/deadT Opsys ?"L > And even when they know about VMS, nobody of them would suggest VMS to theF > customers. They suggest UNIX (which means SOLARIS, AIX and HP/UX and nothingN
 > else)...  F Why would this be suprising. Oracle sales people are goaled on selling their-D applications, selling the DBMS isn't enough. As you know Oracle only support H a very small subset of their applications portfolio on OpenVMS so it is D unsuprising that their sales people steer clear of OpenVMS, they are less IB likely to make their targets if they steer people towards OpenVMS.     > L > I Q USA is serious about VMS (which is still uncertain from my view), thenH > someone must force the rest of Q and the other companies in US and the restI > of the other companies worldwide to believe it and be serious about VMStA > themselves, too. And this takes time, while there is no more...o >    Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 20:39:14 -0600u7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>S= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution - Message-ID: <3A5BCB52.EA88375B@earthlink.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > ? > In article <2_D66.12164$BI2.3220372@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,o9 >  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:l > |>O > |> That's true in the USA as well. A good friend of mine, Charlie Matco, used P > |> his ten shares of DEC stock to get in the door at a DEC annual meeting backN > |> in 1987 when Charlie's employer was subjected to an editorial embargo andP > |> Cone of Silence. What's more, stockholders get proxy statements, which shed7 > |> interesting light on executive compensation plans.c > |> > F > Of course, everyone here is assuming that all the other stockholdersG > (undoubtedly non-VMS-techies) are going to agree with them that there H > is money in this VMS thing that they have never heard of as opposed to" > PC's that everyone has heard of. > I > Someone said that there are 1.7 billion shares outstanding.  That meansgK > you would have to buy significantly more than 850 million shares in order0K > to change their direction.  That amounts to a hostile takeover and is notD4 > the kind of thing that common people can pull off. > H > Seems to me that ti would be easier (and probably cheaper) to just get+ > Compaq to sell you the VMS division.  :-)o  * I think many folks are missing the point.   A The idea is not to try to gain a controlling share. That would bet futile, at best.  D The idea is simply to gain the right to file suit and have that suit) elevated to a class action by the court. i  H Even if the suit fails, the publicity generated will itself be more than8 OVMS marketing has done at any point in the last decade.  G So, Compaq can market OVMS or let the other stockholders ask themselvessF why Compaq is not marketing a product that yields such profits. EitherB way, they get backed into a corner and get forced to give up their "stealth marketing" ways.t  H If they get too much flack, they may consider OVMS such a thorn in theirH side that they'll willingly sell it off to the first comer with a decentE offer. If that flack is more moderate but still hits the target, then ; the goal of forcing OVMS into the industry's eye still getse
 accomplished.-   -- - David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems0 http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:01:05 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>,= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution-, Message-ID: <3A5BEC90.C95E8720@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:F > The idea is simply to gain the right to file suit and have that suit* > elevated to a class action by the court.   The VLF : VMS liberation Front.   K We could also do like Greenpeace, do sit ins (hopefully during a nice sunnysN summer day) chaining ourselves to block the entry to the Houston headquarters,L post large banners decrying the bad treatment VMS gets inside of Compaq,. WeM could get amnisty international involved to decry how Compaq mistreats one oftS its children, and maybe get the United Nations to develop the charter of OS rights.   L We could hack into the Compaq web site and change their front page with someN revolutionary message asking that VMS be treated with the respect it deserves.  K Taken to the extreme, we could kidnap the VMS Wizzard and require Compaq tooN commit to advertise VMS on CNN a certain number of times as a ransom. We couldJ also threathen to Ping-of-death any web site that runs Windows NT or Unix.  L Following this campaign, Compaq could brag "our customers are so loyal, they8 were willing to take arms to protect their prefered OS".   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 05:28:33 GMTC4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionl< Message-ID: <5qS66.47927$1t.2694482@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3A5BEC90.C95E8720@videotron.ca... > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:H > > The idea is simply to gain the right to file suit and have that suit, > > elevated to a class action by the court. >e! > The VLF : VMS liberation Front.  >rG > We could also do like Greenpeace, do sit ins (hopefully during a nicet sunny B > summer day) chaining ourselves to block the entry to the Houston headquarters...e  B Umm, I don't know if you've ever seen the Houston campus, but it'sK definitely Texas-sized. You would need a hell of a lot of people willing tohH sit on the asphalt on a nice sunny 109 F summer day in Houston. Besides,L Compaq no doubt has counterinsurgency warfare specialists capable of dealingL far more effectively with the VLF than Johnson, McNamara, and other clueless politicians dealt with the NLF.n   Vo Nguyen Diap   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 19:50:39 GMT.= From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818)1A Subject: CSWS v1.0-1: Apache Webserver -- errors running scripts?j+ Message-ID: <93fq2f$puk@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>i  J I'm working on modifying some scripts I already run using the OSU server. N Since I do NOT use the DECNET form of the OSU server, it doesn't look like the% MOD_OSU feature is of much use to me.o  J So I'm trying to work up, from scratch, what changes (if any, and I'm sureJ there are) I need to implement so the scripts will run under EITHER OSU or Apache.   C I've got a stub script started, trying to output basically the same-K information as the TEST-CGI-VMS script included with the CSWS distribution,aF but coded in a manner similar to my scripts already running under OSU.  2 I keep getting these errors in the ERROR_LOG file:  O ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9 [Tue Jan  9 14:20:25 2001] [error] [client 128.118.88.9] sI 	couldn't spawn child process: /pmdf_root/www/liasbeta/gml_testscript.exeeL 09-Jan-2001 14:20:34 [20201E56] GENERIC_SOCKETPAIR_inet: SYS$ASSIGN() - 23129 [Tue Jan  9 14:20:34 2001] [error] [client 128.118.88.9] aF 	couldn't spawn child process: /apache$root/cgi-bin/gml_testscript.exeL 09-Jan-2001 14:22:19 [20201E5D] GENERIC_SOCKETPAIR_inet: SYS$ASSIGN() - 2312O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------c   And on my browser I receive:  O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------k Internal Server Errora  N The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------e  I No output from the script appears, and I've coded it so that at least therM Content-Type: header and a few lines of identifying information are displayedd' before there are ANY attempts at input.b  J I've placed the executable in BOTH directories.  There's an ACL permissionJ list specifying that APACHE$WWW has READ+EXECUTE rights to the executable,M and the PMDF_ROOT:[www.liasbeta] directory has the same rights granted there,t too.  H Hmmm...  Just noticed that /cgi-bin/test-cgi-vms yields the SAME errors.  M +-"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+tN | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")            InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu | M | Systems Design Specialist - Lead       AT&T:      (814) 865-1818          |qM | Library Computing Services             FAX:       (814) 863-3560          |nM | E3 Paterno Library                     "I'd rather be dancing..."         |iM | Penn State University         A host is a host from coast to coast,       |0M | University Park, PA 16802     And no one will talk to a host that's close |aM | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>  Unless the host that isn't close            |rM | VMS GopherMeister             Is busy, hung or dead.                      |aM +------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+a9                  [apologies to DeForest Kelly, 1920-1999] 3 <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a> fJ <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:31:45 -0500w" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>E Subject: Re: CSWS v1.0-1: Apache Webserver -- errors running scripts? : Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010109153116.021b05f0@24.8.96.48>  B At 07:50 PM 1/9/01 +0000, j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818 wrote:3 >I keep getting these errors in the ERROR_LOG file:e >oP >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------9 >[Tue Jan  9 14:20:25 2001] [error] [client 128.118.88.9] ( >         couldn't spawn child process: , > /pmdf_root/www/liasbeta/gml_testscript.exe  K You may well be hitting a quota limit. Check to see how many processes and eG subprocesses the apache account's allowed--you may need to increase it.n   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------s2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evenu;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 14:53:30 -0500e9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)s+ Subject: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4t+ Message-ID: <zLqmB3$6n47K@eisner.decus.org>e   In article <rdeininger-0801012241160001@user-2ive6as.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:w   > $ set def sys$managerd > 1 > This is the our usual default directory, right?e   Not mine, ever.   " > $ RUN SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SYSVERD >>>> SYS$BASE_IMAGE.EXE can not be opened: no such file or directory > G > So this little SYSVER program isn't smart enough to find the image ity > wants to modify.  C It seems to me that one would just as often be running this againstpA something other than the running system image.  Defaulting to they9 location of the running system image would be a bad idea.d  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:19:35 -0500  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>4 Subject: DECNet dyslexia (was: Re: Version dyslexia)5 Message-ID: <1010109195144.3113A-100000@Ives.egh.com>e  4 On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:   > >To:  Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com9 > >cc:. > >Subject: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4 > >k	 > >[snip]r > >i > >SM > >I hope someone hurries up and finishes V7.2-3, so we can have all this fun  > again  > >when V7.3-2 comes out  :-)w > >  > R > I for one am at a loss to explain the numerous times V7.2-1 and V7.2-1 have beenR > confusedly transposed, especially in the ECO space.   This is like when the bankM > screws up your statement and then if you ask them how you can believe theiro
 > interestA > calculations they can't understand why you would question them.   F Speaking of which, is it just me, and the above was deliberate (i.e. aA joke that I'm not getting), or am I the only one who has noticed?   A There are at least 5 or 6 followups to this post, all quoting them= above paragraph, which says "V7.2-1" twice.  I am reminded ofaA "Mysterious Theatre" with its host "Vincent Twice Vincent Twice".e  H Along the same lines, I can't install either ECO kit for VAX DECNET-PLUSF V7.2 on my home V7.2 VAX hobbyist system...  Both kits claim to be forH DECNET V7.2-1, but as far as I know DECNET version numbers march in lockI step with VMS version numbers, and there was never a V7.2-1 for VAX, justr
 for Alpha.  A I installed this (upgrade from V7.0/DECNET-IV) using the TK50's IaC borrowed from the office.  The only DECnet V7.2-x TK50 I could findt
 is labeled    "AQ-PNVS0-01. P01   MI13S0"   "DECNT-PLUS OVMS V7.2 TK50 1/1"  "Copyright 1998"e   "Digital Equipment Corporation"  B The files on the tape are dated 18-Dec-1998, and the correspondingF VMS tapes are (mostly) dated 16-Dec-1998, so I think they go together.  . The ECO files I have attempted to install are: dec-vaxvms-dnvosieco02-v0702--4w  dec-vaxvms-dnvosieco01-v0702--4   = The web page describes these as pertaining to DECNET-PLUS fors OpenVMS VAX V7.2-1.   : Or was a new version of DECNET for VAX released (without a: corresponding VMS version) sometime more recently, which I= either never received at work, or has disappeared itself froms
 my office?  ; (Still running V7.1 at work, but I have a support contract.y? I may end-run this by just jumping to V7.3 FT, cause I receivedt> the 2nd SDK for it today.  Does anyone know if the CD's can be; read on Windows?  I don't have a CDROM drive on my VAX, butd! do have a LAN & PC w/CD at home.)d   [snip]  k --   John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 22:57:41 -0600t+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@COMPAQ.com>k? Subject: RE: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NAS N Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284BBC@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>  7 >>> I allways saw OVMS as a SERVER operating system.<<<:  4 Check out the following application on OpenVMS WS's: <http://www.genetek.com/>F   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant> Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Serviceso Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brn, [mailto:fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br] Sent: January 4, 2001 6:46 AMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh? Subject: Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NAS       @ So NTDS is like the old LAD (Local Area Disk - is it ? )  from = Pathworks ?tC I imagine OVMS as a strong OS and think it can fit the requirementst? to become a NAS operating system: see the availability, and alln the bility / ies  we know...  9 If Linux and NT can apply to NAS software, why not OVMS ?   = I allways saw OVMS as a SERVER operating system. There=B4s  a < insignificant number of applications to say that OVMS can be; used as a workstation/desktop OS.  The OVMS characteristicsi, are all aligned to SERVER requirements .....   Regardsi   FC          6 Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com> em 04/01/2001 05:00:38             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comq      ? Assunto: Re: DIGITAL OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT + NASw    7 In article <OF2EAE58AB.DC90DECD-ON032569C9.00669F8D@ep-  bc.petrobras.com.br>, ,   fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:
 > An idea: >lC > This is an old product and  I believe it should be refurbished to   > implement some  NAS features !  @ Nonsense! NTDS is a block-server - NAS means heterogeneous file-$ sharing. That simply does not match.  > > Nowadays nobody is not interested to implement a file system > over another, in a server.  ! Again: NTDS is not a file-server.o  B >  But if this product can be used under a Network Appliance based( >  in OpenVMS .... sounds interesting...  ) Using Advanced Server (former Pathworks)?aC I'd say: Forget it. Appliances are heavily stripped-down boxes thatAB only implement one job and the user does not (really) care what OS is in the box.   (Backup discussion deleted)s   --
 Uwe Zessin3 (If you want to send mail, please use user "zessin"i/ who lives at "decus.decus.de", not my-deja.com)o     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:01:17 -0800e! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comi$ Subject: Re: easysoft's odbc for rmsD Message-ID: <OFA9D8A83A.93A19DAA-ON882569CF.0068138A@foundation.com>  I Be aware - ConnX seems to be a good product, but it's slow for us. That'snI inherent in the task it's doing rather than a flaw, so I'd expect similar K products to suffer from the same thing. You'll get more throughput by doingoI OLTP with something like ACMS than by using RMS-viewed-as-ODBC emulation.s   Shane           F Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> on 01/09/2001 12:54:39 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com7 cc:h  % Subject:  Re: easysoft's odbc for rmsn     Jaan Kronberg wrote: >t > Hello all, > @ > Does anyone have any experience with subject on OpenVMS Alpha? >aK > Easiest way, of course, is to install and to test mentioned software, buta IeA > would like to hear experienced users/administrators opinions...n  H The tool provided for importing Cognos Powerhouse dictionary definitions9 is quite poor (uses element definition rather than item).c  H It's capable of using all the Alpha CPU, but that may be a configuration issue.  C I'd be inclined to look carefully at ConnX, before buying Easysoft.a   Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 03:29:06 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again0 Message-ID: <87k884v81p.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  I Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:o  = > Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:i > @ > > 	Has nobody looked at those dual-HSC diagrams from 1984 with@ > > 	duplicate cabling from each system ?  The only common pieceC > > 	in the middle is so simple it doesn't even use a power supply.s > H > IIRC, you could attach the A and B side CIs to seperate star couplers.  < Look in the Cluster config manual. Somewhere in there, there9 is a diagram  showing the A and B sets of cables going inl& opposite directions to sepparated SCs.    t -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.p@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:02:34 -0500o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>f, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again, Message-ID: <3A5B7C61.9F9599BD@videotron.ca>   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:N  But of course investing in a scaleable solution in the first place is lost onN > anyone going into or being in business - "we can always do this later, let's3 > go with the cheap/standard/... solution for now."   J Which is why VMS  must be available in the low end. If a pilot can be madeJ cheaply on VMS then there are good chances that they will grow the system.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:58:48 GMTe# From: geary@fnord.io.com (Big Bird)e4 Subject: How do I set my local timezone in my shell?9 Message-ID: <S3K66.181915$IP1.6611585@news1.giganews.com>o  B Our VMS machine was recently moved from the machine room next doorF (Eastern Time) to a site two timezones away (Mountain Time). How can I@ make the shell and other programs I run display time in my local timezone (EST rather than MST)?>   e.g.   $ show time     9-JAN-2001 12:55:22  D But all right thinking humans know the time is 14:55 (well, actually& 14:51, but that's a different matter).  
 Mark Geary -- t     "Build high for happiness."p   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 20:30:01 GMTi2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)8 Subject: Re: How do I set my local timezone in my shell?6 Message-ID: <93fsc9$cos$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  _ In article <S3K66.181915$IP1.6611585@news1.giganews.com>, geary@fnord.io.com (Big Bird) writes:s  C :Our VMS machine was recently moved from the machine room next door G :(Eastern Time) to a site two timezones away (Mountain Time). How can IiA :make the shell and other programs I run display time in my locale  :timezone (EST rather than MST)?  $   Move the OpenVMS system back?  :-)  H   Seriously, some OpenVMS components (eg: those that use CRTL) can deal E   with setting up a process-local timezone, but others (eg: SHOW TIME *   and older commands and programs) cannot.  F   Please see the FAQ for more than you care to know about OpenVMS and +   specifically about OpenVMS timekeeping...-  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 03:22:04 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>Y Subject: Re: HW/SW for Chip Fabs (was: Compaq: A simple,affordable cluster ingsolution) s 0 Message-ID: <87snmsv8df.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  - "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes:   - > Interesting stuff happening in this arena.   > N > When these vendors started down the "lets move our application to Window NT"J > about two years ago, they were thinking the following would be available> > today to meet these high availability, high IO environments: > - Win64 will be availabley > - IA64 will be available# > - Alpha NT will be running Win64 h > - IA64 will be running Win64I > - load balanced clusters (not simple fail-over) will be available on NTrL > similar to what Customers were running at the time they made the decision. > M > Notice anything wrong with this picture that might concern both the vendorso$ > and their Customers in this space?  B Yep. There is an unstated assuption that the vapour ware list willC cause them to re-assess thir move. All that will happen is a truck-bA load of CYA andbadmouthing VMS so as to make the situation appearc better than it is.   Been there, watched that...t   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:03:01 -0700c% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>  Subject: LN08 infoA Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010109170159.00aaf258@ntbsod.psccos.com>i  C Anybody got any info on an LN08 printer (aka "DEClaser 3200"), like 9 speed, capacity, interfaces, etc?  Can this be networked?n   Thanks!L     ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+-I | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       | I | Principal Engineer            |  "Those are my principles. If you     |0I | Process Software              |   don't like them I have others."     |nI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |rI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+E   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 17:16:23 -0500-* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt) Subject: Re: locked file+ Message-ID: <NtlXawadW$CL@eisner.decus.org>-  j In article <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-DC9SfVE9Mu3D@Tom2>, Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann) writes: > Thanks for reply,  > 2 > sh dev /file shows that a system process (pid 0)+ > has locked that. but it is not installed.- > instal list MYLIB_SHR says : > Known File entry not found.r >   @ Perhaps you should cut and paste the complete command and error 
 message.    ! If you're getting something like:    $ install list submit_as  %INSTALL-E-OPENIN, error opening< DISK$BLAHBLAH:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE>SUBMIT_AS.EXE; as input -RMS-E-FNF, file not found  D Then it means that, in my example, submit_as is _not_ in SYS$SYSTEM.B By default install list looks in SYS$SYSTEM and nowhere else.  But if I do something like:   1 $ install list DISK207:<SI$ALPHA.SYSTEM>submit_as  DISK207:<SI$ALPHA.SYSTEM>.EXEw%    SUBMIT_AS;1      Open          Prve  @ I get the proper results.  It may just be that you're not fully 8 specifying the disk and directory of the installed file.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:31:45 +1030 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>3 Subject: MOUNT /NOWRITE / Message-ID: <3A5BECB9.A612DD08@wasd.vsm.com.au>    $ MOUNT device label /NOWRITE   H seems to be (semi-)permanent.  Dismount and attempt to do a mount /WRITEF and it comes back still software write locked.  Any idea how it can beH undone?  The HELP seems to indicate the /WRITE should be enough.  ShouldG mention it was also dismounted and mounted /NOWRITE cluster-wide beforee the wrinkle was observed.t   Thanks in advance, Mark Daniel.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 20:12:27 GMT=6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <A_C_Bustamante@earthlink.net>" Subject: Re: OpenVMS opportunitiesA Message-ID: <LgK66.389$mU.13020@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>a  @ Think of the bad publicity.  How about a simple contest instead:  G Orbital habitat, life support controlled by an off the shelf commerical  system,-J an NT/W2K system, a Sun system, and VMS system.  Last man "standing" wins.I Andrew are willing to man the Sun platform?  We'd probably have to have ai lottery for the VMS platform.-       -- Andy Bustamante- Remove the ASCII 95s to reply-. <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in message> news:OFC20B8E70.83C09F9D-ON882569CF.000A2DBF@foundation.com... >sI > LEO plus a decent knowledge of orbital mechanics, a reasonable computer  andtG > some kind of fine-tunable launching system should allow you to drop ac large . > rock on Redmond and solve a lot of problems. > B > Maybe we should organize a fund, so we can all chip in...... ;-) >- > Shane  >a >i >  >  > ; > Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> on 01/08/2001 05:10:06 PM  >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > cc:  > % > Subject:  Re: OpenVMS opportunitiesr >  >  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:- > >-C > > In article <87elydx0k5.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholig! > <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes::@ > > :I wonder how far their definition of telecomputing extends? > >dH > >   Taken literally, Low Earth Orbit (LEO) would likely be outside theJ > >   telecomputing limit, if for no other reason than the transportation,C > >   housing, and communications costs that would be involved. :-), >gC > Housing- I'd think housing costs for a telecommuter are up to theSD > worker, not the company, unless the company needs an employee in aJ > certain location some reason.  If my relationship with my company allowsB > me to live wherever I want, and I want to live on the Riveria, I3 > wouldn't expect them to pay me any more to do it.s >eH > Communications- wireless is line-of-sight with enough watts behind it.I > Just make sure you've got a TELSAT in your neighborhood before you buy,=, > or sign up for StarBand satellite service. >:G > Transportation- only expensive going up.  Getting down again is easy.=C > (shedding excess heat and velocity is left as an exercise for the-
 > reader.) >-2 > All that said, GeoSynch orbit might be better... >n >n >  >H   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:40:10 -0500D# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>h" Subject: Re: OpenVMS opportunities+ Message-ID: <3A5B772A.15B8DDB7@hsc.vcu.edu>X  / hhmm.. now THAT would be a demo and a HALF!!!!!V   j.     Andy Bustamante wrote: > B > Think of the bad publicity.  How about a simple contest instead: > I > Orbital habitat, life support controlled by an off the shelf commerical 	 > system,aL > an NT/W2K system, a Sun system, and VMS system.  Last man "standing" wins.K > Andrew are willing to man the Sun platform?  We'd probably have to have ac > lottery for the VMS platform.f >  > -- > Andy Bustamantei > Remove the ASCII 95s to replyt0 > <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in message@ > news:OFC20B8E70.83C09F9D-ON882569CF.000A2DBF@foundation.com... > >eK > > LEO plus a decent knowledge of orbital mechanics, a reasonable computer  > and I > > some kind of fine-tunable launching system should allow you to drop ap > larges0 > > rock on Redmond and solve a lot of problems. > >aD > > Maybe we should organize a fund, so we can all chip in...... ;-) > > 	 > > Shanet > >i > >E > >t > >V > >C= > > Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> on 01/08/2001 05:10:06 PMs > >m > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > > cc:k > >E' > > Subject:  Re: OpenVMS opportunitiesw > >M > >s > > Hoff Hoffman wrote:s > > >aE > > > In article <87elydx0k5.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi.# > > <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:rB > > > :I wonder how far their definition of telecomputing extends? > > >dJ > > >   Taken literally, Low Earth Orbit (LEO) would likely be outside theL > > >   telecomputing limit, if for no other reason than the transportation,E > > >   housing, and communications costs that would be involved. :-)e > >8E > > Housing- I'd think housing costs for a telecommuter are up to thetF > > worker, not the company, unless the company needs an employee in aL > > certain location some reason.  If my relationship with my company allowsD > > me to live wherever I want, and I want to live on the Riveria, I5 > > wouldn't expect them to pay me any more to do it.l > >iJ > > Communications- wireless is line-of-sight with enough watts behind it.K > > Just make sure you've got a TELSAT in your neighborhood before you buy,n. > > or sign up for StarBand satellite service. > >eI > > Transportation- only expensive going up.  Getting down again is easy. E > > (shedding excess heat and velocity is left as an exercise for theC > > reader.) > > 4 > > All that said, GeoSynch orbit might be better... > >. > >- > >6 > >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:52:45 -05000- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>m" Subject: Re: OpenVMS opportunities, Message-ID: <3A5B7A15.D447895E@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote:0D > Wonder what the Iridium satellite network would make of a phone in > LEO?  J Not sure if signals are in line of sight from space station altitude ( theK Irridium constellation is at lower orbit with antennas aimed at the earth).>  K However, one commercial venture with the russians may see a TV studio built-J and it would use Intelsat/Inmarsat satellite services to downlink to earth! (independant of the NASA network)b  G > I was also under the impression that the NASA satellite network (name6; > escapes me) which supports shuttle video is now complete.S  M Nop. Still quite a few dead spots around the earth. Usually not much mroe thee 10 minutes of silence.E But it is a proprietary network and they wouldn't let you dial into aeM customer's machine from the space station through the TDRS and KU band systemnG because it would be blocked at the NASA ground stations. Since they runrN Outlook and Windows on their laptops, they have to prevent any emails from theI "world" from reaching the folks in orbit. Last thing they want is for the + I-LOVE-YOU virus to make it to the station.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:57:31 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>2" Subject: Re: OpenVMS opportunities, Message-ID: <3A5B7B33.A03EADAC@videotron.ca>   Chuck Chopp wrote:I > Didn't the Iridium satellite network get scuttled when the company whenp > bankrupt?r  L Got bought for a couple of millions by the US military. They get 20,000 freeB phone usage, and Iridium can sell phones to the rest of the world.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 21:56 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)n" Subject: Re: OpenVMS opportunities, Message-ID: <9JAN200121563787@gerg.tamu.edu>  1 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes...: }Chuck Chopp wrote:eJ }> Didn't the Iridium satellite network get scuttled when the company when }> bankrupt? } M }Got bought for a couple of millions by the US military. They get 20,000 free:C }phone usage, and Iridium can sell phones to the rest of the world.p  E Not exactly. It got bought by a private company for some rediculously.H small amount ($75 million maybe?). But it was only able to do so becauseH of a contract they made with the US military which provides a big enoughG chunk of revenue that they have some hope of keeping the system running-E long enough to get enough other customers to provide the needed levelm
 of income.  G Personally, I think they are nuts to concentrate on just handsets. TheyDJ should make base stations that you could mount in a car, boat, or aircraftG which would use comparatively short-range wireless links to one or more M handsets. Since your car or boat is rarely indoors, the "not useable indoors"iF problem goes away as long as your handset can connect with the stationH in the vehicle. This also eliminates the size problem they have with the current handset.  6 I have no idea if they use VMS anywhere in the system.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:34:58 +1030r% From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au>n; Subject: PATHWORKS security - restricting access from a PC?a* Message-ID: <3A5BD15A.46DF065E@vsm.com.au>   Hi,t  H We're running PATHWORKS for OpenVMS V6.0C on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1.  ThisL machine is the PDC for our network which consists mostly of PCs running W98,3 with a couple of W95, WNT and W2K workstations too.n  D There is a particular PC which needs to be able to access a specificI PATHWORKS share, but it must not be allowed to access any other PATHWORKSnG share -- regardless of who is logged on the PC.  Is there anyway we can D configure PATHWORKS to restrict/control access by PC (rather than by
 username)?  j Thanks,E            Jeremy Begga  =   +---------------------------------------------------------+b=   |             VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.             |s=   |                  http://www.vsm.com.au/                 |t=   |        "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"       |m=   |---------------------------------------------------------| =   | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au |s=   | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    |d=   |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      |m=   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    |n=   +---------------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:59:24 -0000, From: "Mark Lamond" <markl@markl.force9.net>> Subject: Problem Logging Into DECWindows - LMF License Check??* Message-ID: <DwN66.16635$I5.309491@stones>   Hi,a  E I am a newbie to OpenVMS (7.2), which i have just installed on my DEC1	 3000-600.0  J When i boot the machine, it starts up with the graphical login, and i thenJ login as system and enter my password as set during the install procedure.  L However, i then get a message which says "LMF License chack has failed" - do+ you have any idea what could be wrong here?g   Many thanks for your help,   Mark Lamondl markl@markl.force9.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 21:32:21 GMT * From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>6 Subject: Random out-of-context "Ask the Wizard" quote.9 Message-ID: <FrL66.182011$IP1.6618955@news1.giganews.com>u  @ "Compaq OpenVMS Engineering is aware of and is looking at SOAP."  ;  [when combined with the 'morphing' of the "Wizard" into a D)   white hat'ed elephant, tusks & all....]c  : Does this mean OpenVMS Engineering is going to improve the< "uptime" of Ivory Soap ? Or will we be seeing 99.999% "pure"< clusters (compared to the not-so-pure Sun"spots" clusters )?  # [  :-) for the humour impaired... ]S   -Andy-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:55:44 -0500   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com: Subject: Re: Random out-of-context "Ask the Wizard" quote.4 Message-ID: <C22569CF.0077B0AB.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  M I inquired about SOAP and OpenVMS of Sue Skonetski (feeling blindsided, Sue?)aI back in 10/2000 and she promised we would be contacted (even got a name).t AFAIK it never happened.  1 I thought that maybe "Compaq OpenVMS Engineering"  had washed its hands of SOAP.1          - acs@fcgnetworks.net on 01/09/2001 04:32:21 PMr   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comr4 cc:    (bcc: Norm Raphael/Worcester/Neles-Jamesbury)7 Subject:  Random out-of-context "Ask the Wizard" quote.o        @ "Compaq OpenVMS Engineering is aware of and is looking at SOAP."  :  [when combined with the 'morphing' of the "Wizard" into a)   white hat'ed elephant, tusks & all....]   : Does this mean OpenVMS Engineering is going to improve the< "uptime" of Ivory Soap ? Or will we be seeing 99.999% "pure"< clusters (compared to the not-so-pure Sun"spots" clusters )?  # [  :-) for the humour impaired... ]p   -Andy-   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 21:37:04 GMT-2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman): Subject: Re: Random out-of-context "Ask the Wizard" quote.6 Message-ID: <93g0a0$dct$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  f In article <FrL66.182011$IP1.6618955@news1.giganews.com>, "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> writes:A :"Compaq OpenVMS Engineering is aware of and is looking at SOAP."n ..; :Does this mean OpenVMS Engineering is going to improve theK= :"uptime" of Ivory Soap ? Or will we be seeing 99.999% "pure"a= :clusters (compared to the not-so-pure Sun"spots" clusters )?      I'll let that slide...  $ :[  :-) for the humour impaired... ]     :-)e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 19:53:19 GMTg2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: Setting resolution on DECWindowsa6 Message-ID: <93fq7f$bck$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ` In article <Xns90247303D58E0zqrrakf4nyyay@194.109.6.151>, zqrra@kf4nyy.ay (Maarten Deen) writes:6 :hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in- :<93dbs8$ppb$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>:   :mC :>In article <93cbp3$7tc$1@xs4.xs4all.nl>, zqrra@kf4nyy.ay (MaartenY :>Deen) writes:  :>J :>  Exactly which graphics controller is in use on this AlphaServer DS20?  :> :>  ELSA GLoria Synergy? o' :>  PowerStorm 300 or PowerStorm 350?  n :>  Something else?- :1> :I have no idea. How can I find out (except booting probably)?      $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM   SDA> CLUE CONFIG  H   If you can't sort out the information displayed, please post the full G   contents of the Adapter Configuration page of the CLUE CONFIG output.o   :V50     Ok...:  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jan 2001 02:53:11 GMT From: aw@mail1.bet1.puv.fi Subject: SPXgt video board Message-ID: <X68W6$YjJ@c400>  5 I just acquired a SPXgt card for my VS4000/60, and it 4 seems to be at least partially functional.  However,4 about 50% of the time I power up the machine I don't1 get any picture.  "TEST SP3D" always prints this:  ?? 001  2   SP3D  0032      84 FAIL What does that mean?  2 Q2.  There's a socketed oscillator - 119 MHz IIRC,- what is this for?  Changing the refresh rate? $ If so, how high will it go (safely)?  7 Q3.  I have another board, with the string "COUGAR SPX"(5 on it.  It won't fit, however.  It has a female Wide-l6 SCSI-like connector, but with more pins.  What sort of3 machine does this card belong in?  I know Cougar isd2 the nickname of the VS4000/90, but I was under the2 impression that this machine uses the same kind of/ video board connector as the model 60 (Mariah).    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:05:29 -0500p2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>3 Subject: Re: Tuning an RMS indexed HSM catalog filee* Message-ID: <3A5B6F09.B3A4F0A6@oracle.com>  = I'm not sure that you can do what you're suggesting directly._; But you certainly could modify the FDL such that all of the ; index areas are specified first (in the lower area numbers)f@ before the data area(s).  Then add up the number of pages neededC to cache all the index areas and use that number of global buffers.t; Note that with current (7.2-1 I believe) versions of RMS, an> hash table is used to do bucket lookups.  This can result in a= big performance improvement when large numbers of buffers ares used.f   Lothar Geyer wrote:- > J > It's a long time that I had to work a lot with ISAM files. As I rememberF > there was a trick to set the number of global buffers that all index@ > buckets where maintained in memory. Could anybody give a hint? >  > Lothar Geyer >  > kparris@my-deja.com schrieb: > >  > > plugge@usa.net wrote:bG > > > Should the qualifier for /ANA and the FDL file parameter point toL > > > different files? > >EI > > They can, but since EDIT/FDL will be reading the original file beforeRK > > it creates the output file, using the same filename will just result inrA > > creating a second version of the FDL file with the sane name.0 > >:< > > > 2) How do you determine the current number of buckets? > > >u > > > $ DIR /FULL {catalog}i > > >s- > > > File Attribute: ... maximum bucket sizee > >iG > > Uh, this actually gives you the size of the largest bucket, not thea > > number of buckets. > >u: > > > 7) How does the cluster size affect the bucket size? > > >28 > > > The bucket size is a multiple of the cluster size. > > >.H > > > *** Problem: my current cluster size is 18 and my bucket max is 12 > >oG > > Cluster size is just the number of blocks covered by one bit in theIG > > allocation bit map, BITMAP.SYS.  So the size of the file must be an0J > > integer multiple of the cluster size.  But within the file, the bucket3 > > size(s) can be different from the cluster size.e > >nK > > The EDIT/FDL/NOINTERACTIVE optimization script uses the cluster size as I > > the minimum bucket size by default.  This is not necessarily optimal.lG > > As disk sizes have grown over the years, default cluster sizes have D > > grown dramatically.  You can override the default bucket size by4 > > editing the .FDL file before you do the CONVERT. > >c* > > > Global buffers allows shared access. > >fJ > > You can have shared access whether you have global buffers or not.  ByK > > default, RMS uses local buffers, that is, buffers within each process's I > > local address space.  One process cannot read another process's localhG > > buffers.  Global buffers are useful when more than one process on aoI > > node simultaneously accesses a file.  All processes on the node whichnK > > have the file open can share the same set of global buffers, instead offH > > each process needing a local buffer copy of buckets for its own use.5 > > This saves memory and reduces the number of I/Os.e > > L > > If only one process at a time opens the file, global buffers don't help.K > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------oK > > Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospameJ > > VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals > >y > > Sent via Deja.coma > > http://www.deja.com/   -- r> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:25:44 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.como3 Subject: Re: Tuning an RMS indexed HSM catalog file-D Message-ID: <OF1B180909.419CDDBF-ON882569CF.00701254@foundation.com>  I A word of advice. Give the output files different names from the originals> files, and only rename them back /after/ the convert completesK successfully. That way you won't be left with half a file if something goesf horribly pear shaped.w   Shanes  + P.S. Been there, done that. Lost the sleep.l          F norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> on 01/09/2001 12:05:29 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt cc:L  4 Subject:  Re: Tuning an RMS indexed HSM catalog file    = I'm not sure that you can do what you're suggesting directly.M; But you certainly could modify the FDL such that all of theI; index areas are specified first (in the lower area numbers)a@ before the data area(s).  Then add up the number of pages neededC to cache all the index areas and use that number of global buffers.s; Note that with current (7.2-1 I believe) versions of RMS, ah> hash table is used to do bucket lookups.  This can result in a= big performance improvement when large numbers of buffers arer used.a   Lothar Geyer wrote:i >nJ > It's a long time that I had to work a lot with ISAM files. As I rememberF > there was a trick to set the number of global buffers that all index@ > buckets where maintained in memory. Could anybody give a hint? >e > Lothar Geyer >  > kparris@my-deja.com schrieb: > >n > > plugge@usa.net wrote:.G > > > Should the qualifier for /ANA and the FDL file parameter point to  > > > different files? > > I > > They can, but since EDIT/FDL will be reading the original file beforeEK > > it creates the output file, using the same filename will just result in A > > creating a second version of the FDL file with the sane name.c > >i< > > > 2) How do you determine the current number of buckets? > > >i > > > $ DIR /FULL {catalog}m > > >r- > > > File Attribute: ... maximum bucket sizes > > G > > Uh, this actually gives you the size of the largest bucket, not ther > > number of buckets. > >l: > > > 7) How does the cluster size affect the bucket size? > > >e8 > > > The bucket size is a multiple of the cluster size. > > > H > > > *** Problem: my current cluster size is 18 and my bucket max is 12 > > G > > Cluster size is just the number of blocks covered by one bit in theyG > > allocation bit map, BITMAP.SYS.  So the size of the file must be aniJ > > integer multiple of the cluster size.  But within the file, the bucket3 > > size(s) can be different from the cluster size.C > > K > > The EDIT/FDL/NOINTERACTIVE optimization script uses the cluster size as I > > the minimum bucket size by default.  This is not necessarily optimal.1G > > As disk sizes have grown over the years, default cluster sizes haveRD > > grown dramatically.  You can override the default bucket size by4 > > editing the .FDL file before you do the CONVERT. > > * > > > Global buffers allows shared access. > >uJ > > You can have shared access whether you have global buffers or not.  ByK > > default, RMS uses local buffers, that is, buffers within each process'seI > > local address space.  One process cannot read another process's localnG > > buffers.  Global buffers are useful when more than one process on a I > > node simultaneously accesses a file.  All processes on the node whichtK > > have the file open can share the same set of global buffers, instead ofoH > > each process needing a local buffer copy of buckets for its own use.5 > > This saves memory and reduces the number of I/Os.  > > F > > If only one process at a time opens the file, global buffers don't help.eK > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------dK > > Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospam J > > VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals > >  > > Sent via Deja.comt > > http://www.deja.com/   --> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 18:51:53 GMTz2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)G Subject: Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4) 6 Message-ID: <93fmk9$apb$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  W In article <C22569CF.0062C138.00@jklh21.valmet.com>, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes:e  N :In this case, the left hand reported the problem both here and to Compaq, and= :the other left hand (Hoff et al) came up with the workaround       Um, er, thanks.  I think.  :-)  L :The right hand, OTOH, seems not to know how to edit V7.2-1 into V7.1-2 whenK :publishing ECO's that were developed for the higher version and are being sN :ported back to the earlier version.  It also sometimes gets the edit correct,L :then stores the ECO in the wrong directory on the ECO server (just another E :typo).  In other words, this is not the first or last  time for thisaF :particular mis-edit, although where it will occur next is a constant  :surprise...  H   I have yet to sort out where this particular SYSVER version error was J   introduced.  Work is continually occuring around increasing the process J   automation, but it does sound like we are missing a test that should be K   included -- I have an idea here, one that I can implement fairly easily, tF   and that might catch this.  (I'll have to think about it, though...)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 14:55:20 -0500   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comG Subject: Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)v4 Message-ID: <C22569CF.006E4FD4.00@jklh21.valmet.com>   Hoff,e   Thanks, indeed (no smiley).    I love it when you think 8-) .  ) (Just remember the works of H. L. Menkin:-H For every problem there is a simple solution that probably won't work.")        7 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam on 01/09/2001 01:51:53 PMe  / Please respond to hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospamc   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  cc:OH Subject:  Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)          O In article <C22569CF.0062C138.00@jklh21.valmet.com>, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com  writes:o  N :In this case, the left hand reported the problem both here and to Compaq, and= :the other left hand (Hoff et al) came up with the workaround       Um, er, thanks.  I think.  :-)  L :The right hand, OTOH, seems not to know how to edit V7.2-1 into V7.1-2 whenJ :publishing ECO's that were developed for the higher version and are beingN :ported back to the earlier version.  It also sometimes gets the edit correct,K :then stores the ECO in the wrong directory on the ECO server (just another E :typo).  In other words, this is not the first or last  time for this E :particular mis-edit, although where it will occur next is a constant- :surprise...  G   I have yet to sort out where this particular SYSVER version error wascI   introduced.  Work is continually occuring around increasing the process I   automation, but it does sound like we are missing a test that should be6J   included -- I have an idea here, one that I can implement fairly easily,F   and that might catch this.  (I'll have to think about it, though...)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 15:40:08 -0500(* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) Subject: Wizard Disappears!!! + Message-ID: <9aPAIHUN9xCZ@eisner.decus.org>n  / http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/index.html   A 	Yes.. it is true.  The Wizard is gone and has been replaced with 6 	what looks like a carnival prize.  A stuffed mastedon; 	wearing a white cap.  I can't read the writing... I wonderh 	what it all means?    				Rob.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:50:47 -08002! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com@! Subject: Re: Wizard Disappears!!!uD Message-ID: <OF813D9B2F.9E350AC5-ON882569CF.00726170@foundation.com>  H I may be paranoid, but doesn't that look more like a white elephant? AreI they trying to tell us something, or did Andrew Harrison pay someone goodn enough to hack the site?   Shanes          > young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) on 01/09/2001 12:40:08 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:w   Subject:  Wizard Disappears!!!        / http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/index.html   E      Yes.. it is true.  The Wizard is gone and has been replaced with-:      what looks like a carnival prize.  A stuffed mastedon?      wearing a white cap.  I can't read the writing... I wonderh      what it all means?-                       Robk   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 21:34:43 GMTs2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: Re: Wizard Disappears!!!(6 Message-ID: <93g05j$dcs$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  X In article <9aPAIHUN9xCZ@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:  0 :http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/index.html :VB :	Yes.. it is true.  The Wizard is gone and has been replaced with7 :	what looks like a carnival prize.  A stuffed mastedone< :	wearing a white cap.  I can't read the writing... I wonder :	what it all means?  >   Sheesh.  Took y'all long enough to notice the change...  :-)  I   That particular stuffed pachyderm is the unofficial OpenVMS EngineeringnH   group mascot, and has a long history here in OpenVMS -- the mascot was%   a gift from a SIG some years ago...p  J   That particular pachyderm picture also means that we tired of answering G   questions on the previous picture -- and no, we have no idea who the  H   previous occupant of the Ask The Wizard website picture was.  (We know"   the details of the new picture.)  K   The new picture (of the mascot) is one of a set of four, though I do not I4   know if the other pictures will be made available.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:06:27 +1030m/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> ! Subject: Re: Wizard Disappears!!!-/ Message-ID: <3A5B926B.9755B549@wasd.vsm.com.au>-   Hoff Hoffman wrote:p  K >   That particular pachyderm picture also means that we tired of answeringpH >   questions on the previous picture -- and no, we have no idea who theJ >   previous occupant of the Ask The Wizard website picture was.  (We know$ >   the details of the new picture.)  3 I guess the next question is, "Whose office is it?"a  5 Looks like it could belong to mostly *anyone* I know.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 23:28:27 +0000m  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com! Subject: Re: Wizard Disappears!!!iH Message-ID: <OF2B7C8673.A90EEBA2-ON802569CF.00809817@qedi.quintiles.com>  G You could always submit a question to "Ask the Pachyderm" Mark.  UnlesssG he's a Sun Pachyderm in disguise of course, in which case he would havee? forgotten.  Being still so long you see - he would think he wasl
 static.......v :-)i  * p.s.  The desk is toooooo tidy to be mine!    C Mark Daniel (mark dot daniel at wasd dot vsm dot com dot au) wrote:u >>>Hoff Hoffman wrote:  K >   That particular pachyderm picture also means that we tired of answering H >   questions on the previous picture -- and no, we have no idea who theJ >   previous occupant of the Ask The Wizard website picture was.  (We know$ >   the details of the new picture.)  3 I guess the next question is, "Whose office is it?"   8 Looks like it could belong to mostly *anyone* I know.<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:55:23 -0500g- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t! Subject: Re: Wizard Disappears!!!e, Message-ID: <3A5BB2F7.EDF71233@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:1 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/index.html  > J >         Yes.. it is true.  The Wizard is gone and has been replaced with  = It is that newly hired freshly graduated VMs engineer :-) :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2001 14:17:12 PST T From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)? Subject: Re: [Q] Which model Exabyte in TKZ09 and TKZ15 drives?a3 Message-ID: <qPZh$TD6mB6W@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>h  1 In article <873detsa9o.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, r3     	Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: X > Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes: [...] I >>         OK, that's helpful.  But I'm still confused.  The drive in theuI >>     problematic TKZ9E shows up on an AlphaServer 4100's console and at3* >>     VMS (7.2-1) in SHOW DEVICE/FULL as, >> o% >>         EXABYTE EXB-8505 8SQAANXR1 < >                 model     ^ FW rev, sort of. FW signature? > Upgrade the FW, it changes.   H         OK, good to know.  FWIW, I made  a typo above: there should onlyH     be  a  single  "A"  in the FW rev.  According  to  another  frequentH     poster, this firmware is the same he  has  in  an  8505XL...whateverH     that  is...   I'm  going to attempt to get an 8500 stuffed into thisH     SSB in hopes the HSC will be a  little more "tolerant" than it is of     the 8505.  Sigh...           -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edum:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.019 ************************