0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 10 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 20      Contents: Re: "Hidden" local DCL symbols?  Re: "Hidden" local DCL symbols?  Re: "Hidden" local DCL symbols? " Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??" Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??" Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??" Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??" Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??" Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??P Re: APACHE (CSWS) + MOD_PERL = No private process logicals definable inLOGIN.COM Re: Bar Code printer Re: Bar Code printer Re: Bar Code printer Re: Bar Code printer? Black Line problem in HP8100DN printer fixed with new firmware. 4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution3 Data Conversion: VAX D, G floats from a binary file 7 Re: Data Conversion: VAX D, G floats from a binary file 7 Re: Data Conversion: VAX D, G floats from a binary file 7 Re: Data Conversion: VAX D, G floats from a binary file " Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4 Disabling shadow merge function # Re: Disabling shadow merge function # Re: Disabling shadow merge function # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again  Re: Email, SMTP% and FAX Re: Email, SMTP% and FAX
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 Re: LN08 info  Re: locked file  Re: locked file   Memory leak/corruption detection$ Re: Memory leak/corruption detection$ Re: Memory leak/corruption detection$ Re: Memory leak/corruption detection Re: Microsoft Message Queue  Re: MOUNT /NOWRITE Re: MOUNT /NOWRITE OpenVMS "reply/to" challenge. ! Re: OpenVMS "reply/to" challenge. ) OpenVMS : solid but low profile - by CNET - Re: OpenVMS : solid but low profile - by CNET - Re: OpenVMS : solid but low profile - by CNET - Re: OpenVMS : solid but low profile - by CNET  Re: OpenVMS opportunities  Re: OpenVMS opportunities 9 Re: Problem Logging Into DECWindows - LMF License Check?? 1 Re: Random out-of-context "Ask the Wizard" quote. > Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)> Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)> Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4) VMS ftp patch site problem?  Re: Wizard Disappears!!!6 Re: [Q] Which model Exabyte in TKZ09 and TKZ15 drives?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:23:24 +0100 (CET) : From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>( Subject: Re: "Hidden" local DCL symbols?I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101101315510.7589-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   8 On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:  J +In article <...>, ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.au (Ian Burgess) writes: +>A curious phenomenon...  +>A +>There is a sample script supplied with Apache for OpenVMS which 3 +>displays certain symbols defined for the process. &                                    *** [...] L +>But it did not show the 25 other (local) symbols, of which SERVER_SOFTWARE9 +>is one.  An explicit SHOW SYMBOL SERVER_SOFTWARE works,  [...] L +>Any idea what's going on here?   (OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Alpha, before you ask.) +  +Procedure levels?    Most probably;   SHOW SYMBOL/LOCAL=level? where "level" can be a direct or relatiove value or the keyword # ALL (or "*") is sometime needed -:) =  The second - is possiblity to "standard" access to the lower ? ("upper command level") symbol level to create procedures where / can operate on local symbol for general use -:) 9  The comment is a part of "DCL wishlist" continuation -:)     Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:50:40 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) ( Subject: Re: "Hidden" local DCL symbols?0 Message-ID: <009F5E62.7D7A8781@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101101315510.7589-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>, "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> writes:9 >On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:  > K >+In article <...>, ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.au (Ian Burgess) writes:  >+>A curious phenomenon... >+> B >+>There is a sample script supplied with Apache for OpenVMS which4 >+>displays certain symbols defined for the process.' >                                   ***  >[...]M >+>But it did not show the 25 other (local) symbols, of which SERVER_SOFTWARE : >+>is one.  An explicit SHOW SYMBOL SERVER_SOFTWARE works, >[...]M >+>Any idea what's going on here?   (OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Alpha, before you ask.)  >+ >+Procedure levels?  >  > Most probably; > SHOW SYMBOL/LOCAL=level @ >where "level" can be a direct or relatiove value or the keyword$ >ALL (or "*") is sometime needed -:)  $ Already done via TMESIS SYMBOL V5.0!   SYMBOL     Qualifiers  
     /DEPTH)      /DEPTH[=level]    level:{0,1,...,31} +            or relative level:{-1,-2,...-31}   H      Specifies that SYMBOL is to SET, DELETE or DISPLAY a  local  symbolH      at  the  specified  process  level  in  the  target  process.  ThisB      qualifier is only valid when the /LOCAL qualifier is present.  H      When used with the /SET or /DELETE qualifiers, the /DEPTH qualifierH      without  a  level  parameter  defaults  to the current level if theH      target is the current process.  If the target is another process, aH      value  MUST  be  specified for the corresponding level to define or(      delete local symbols in the target.  H      When defining or deleting symbols  in  the  context  of  a  commandH      procedure  in  the current process, a value relative to the currentH      procedure depth can be specified.  Relative levels are denoted withH      negative  values.   A  relative  value  can  only be specified whenH      defining or  deleting  a  local  symbol  in  the  current  process.H      Relative values have no meaning if the /IDENTIFICATION qualifier isH      present and specifies a process ID other than that of  the  process       issuing the SYMBOL command.  H      When used with the /SHOW qualifier, the /DEPTH qualifier without  aH      level  parameter  defaults  to level 0.  Level 0 corresponds to theH      display of local  symbols  at  the  DCL  prompt.   When  /DEPTH  isH      present,  with or without a level parameter, only the local symbolsH      at the level specified are displayed.  To view local symbols at allH      levels, invoke the SYMBOL command with the /SHOW qualifier and omit      the /DEPTH qualifier.    > > The second - is possiblity to "standard" access to the lower@ >("upper command level") symbol level to create procedures where0 >can operate on local symbol for general use -:): > The comment is a part of "DCL wishlist" continuation -:)  H See above.  It's not standard in Compaq's supplied DCL on OpenVMS but it can be had with SYMBOL.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:42:43 +0100 (CET) : From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>( Subject: Re: "Hidden" local DCL symbols?I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101101433400.7589-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   9 On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:  [...]  +> Most probably;  +> SHOW SYMBOL/LOCAL=levelA +>where "level" can be a direct or relatiove value or the keyword % +>ALL (or "*") is sometime needed -:)  + % +Already done via TMESIS SYMBOL V5.0!  [...] I +See above.  It's not standard in Compaq's supplied DCL on OpenVMS but it  +can be had with SYMBOL.    -:)@  Yes, I know of the existence of SYMBOL (althought have check it: long time ago) and that some 4.X version are freeware; the= point was to have the functionality on eny system, regardless + of the politic-limitation on customer site. 8  Anyway: you are right, the SYMBOL is what may be needed) (if allowed) in the original question -:) 5 BTW: is the 5.0 version to be suposed be a freeware ?  (www.tmesis.com times-out)    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:53:20 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> + Subject: Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS?? 8 Message-ID: <k7fo5tccna8l4cv52o4vt36k5o8okid3ja@4ax.com>  1 On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:58:08 +0100, "F Adolfsson" " <nospam@localhost.spamwarn> wrote:    > >True. Don't expect potential customers to dig, and dig again.G >Recently, I was not far from having to "loose" the VMS Alpha as a part F >of our "IS platforms" (and it is a small and diminishing part). UpperF >management people thought it was dead since it never appears anywhere  D I don't know how many times this has been said to Compaq but nothingB ever changes. This is why I have reluctantly concluded that CompaqD corporate still wan't to get rid of VMS - but do it slowly. OpposingD views exist in Compaq and might eventually prevail. But they haven'tC yet. Rich Marcello needs all the help he can get. The slight plus I E believe is that Capellas has left the door slightly ajar. If Marcello @ can open it slightly further by throwing rubber balls at it then, maybe, just maybe, he'll be given a crowbar.  C This is an improvement on the previous situation where the door was E locked shut and the key almost thrown away but nothing like as far as  most of us would like to see.   - >(Cpq must aim for always and everywhere!!!).  >  >Regards >Fad >    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:23:58 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> + Subject: Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS?? 8 Message-ID: <pbgo5tkum2hhmbaih4n5hukppmf1gt70in@4ax.com>  1 On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:19:46 -0600, "Main, Kerry"  <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:    @ >Oracle has recently announced changes in its future strategies. >  >These can be viewed at:? ><http://www.oracle.com/corporate/press/index.html?228177.html>   
 URL Not found   & ><http://platforms.oracle.com/compaq/> > F >Here is an extract from the November 2000 Statement of Direction from >Oracle:  * If I click on Statement of direction under; Platforms>Compaq>Products>OpenVMS Alpha I get the following   ,  We are experiencing network difficulties.  ( We are experiencing Server difficulties.' Please visit the site at a later time.    = Oops speak to soon this has changed to the following message:     Compaq Alpha OpenVMS  Statements of Direction   
 NO TITLES   @ I do not see these errors on a random selection of other links - Compaq or otherwise.  E From the information I can see there is a statement that availability > of different parts of Oracle iAS may vary on individual CompaqE platforms. I don't recall that sentence being there when I first read B it a couple of months ago. Might have been though but I would have expected to have noticed this.  F I currently have a call into Oracle UK's Compaq product manager askingF for clarification of various contradictory statements regarding Oracle6 classic, RDB and DBMS but have not yet had an answer. C Even a simple question like "What's the cost of new DBMS licenses?" E seems to be beyond them at the moment. Also normally you can trade in E Oracle licenses against another product/platform. We wish to trade in F some CDD license no longer required against more DBMS licenses. Can we$ do this? Current answer: Don't know.  E I've previously said I seem to get a better response from Oracle than / some others have had. Appears I spoke too soon.   B Kerry, I'd appreciate if you could forward this to the appropriateF person within Compaq. Currently it may even be contributing to a fatal delay in a certain project.    >+++I >The following Oracle products are planned on Alpha OpenVMS. Please check M >with your Oracle account representative for an up-to-date plan and schedule: E >.	Oracle 8i v8.1.6.2 (will be certified to run as a backend database  >for Oracle Applications 11i) F >.	Oracle 8i v8.1.7 (with RMAN & Oracle HTTP Server powered by Apache)
 >.	Oracle 9i  F >.	Oracle iAS (Standard Edition with Oracle Apache HTTP Server, OracleL >Portal Services, Oracle JVM, and Oracle Developers Kits including Database, >XML and LDAP.)  >.	Oracle Forms/Reports Server >+++ > L >If you do not have a copy of this November 2000 Oracle OpenVMS Statement of7 >Direction, please contact your Oracle Rep for a copy.   > I >In addition, I would encourage you to let Oracle Product Management know ) >what it is you want to do in the future.  > 	 >Regards,  >  >Kerry Main  >Senior Consultant >Compaq Canada Inc.  >Professional Services >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax  :  819-772-7036  >Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com  >  >  >-----Original Message----- & >From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl] >Sent: January 9, 2001 1:58 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >Subject: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS?? >  > $ >This is a message I sent to Oracle: > I >------------------------------------------------------------------------  > I >I am not an Oracle expert, but we are discussing the future of Oracle on  >OpenVMS (V7.2-1 and higher).  > C >I have two Oracle statements, the first dates from september 1999.  > I >It says that Developer/2000 V1.6.1 will be the last version of Developer " >Client Tools being ported to VMS. > # >The second is dated November 2000.  > E >It says under product directions that there will be Oracle Developer  >Kits on OpenVMS.  >  > H >The discussion in my company is if we can develop, build and run OracleC >web-based applications on OpenVMS. These should not be front-end & G >back-end sollutions, where OpenVMS is just a back-end database server, = >and some front-end system should run the actual application.  > D >The OpenVMS system should run the complete application, and clients >should only run a browser. F >Is it possible to build applications like that in the future, and how" >should it be done and developed ? > G >Maybe you can tell me this in a few sentences, or point me to a URL on % >your website where it is explained.   > I >------------------------------------------------------------------------  >  >This is the reply I got:  > I >------------------------------------------------------------------------  >  >Dirk, > H >Oracle has no commitment on providing front end tools for OpenVMS, only >as a  >backend database on OpenVMS.  > 	 >Regards,  >  >Denay > J >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >  > G >What to think of this is my question. I don't see any reason to use a  H >VMS system as just a backend database server. Frontend & Backend setupsI >only make things complicated in many situations, and even if you want to  >use  H >such a setup, using the same OS on both the front-end and the back-end  >would be far more logical.  > C >Futhermore I would like to see as much security as possible on the2 >vulnarable07 >frontend, that is why I would like to use VMS there.  H >eG >So my conclusion is that Oracle in effect is withdrawing from OpenVMS.  >O# >Any comments ?? Any workarounds ??a' >(Compaq and Oracle, please read :-)) )n   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 20:00:34 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??n0 Message-ID: <874rz7liql.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  1 "F Adolfsson" <nospam@localhost.spamwarn> writes:r   > UppereG > management people thought it was dead since it never appears anywherep. > (Cpq must aim for always and everywhere!!!).  ? The best ( perhaps the only ) thing the Q can do to turn peopleo> *perceptions* of VMS around is to get it seen in the every day> mass press. And that means getting into the PC area, big time.  ? So what get's ink in the PC weeklies? Games... FAST games. Blowo< your mind fast multiplayer games... Now getting 'demo' stuffA out there is not a problem. It does not even need to be generallyd
 available.  A If omeone is reviewing high end games machines, send him a coupleeF of Alphas with VMS and the games. Make it clear it is a 'demo' system.C Hell, knowing the gamer fanatics, you will be fighting them off, nos? matter how high the price. But hey, That is no problem for you.  been doing it for years.  = Then for months after, the Alphas will be the yard stick they1' use to compare everything else against.n  A "Wow, this new Sun is great!! Its almost as fast as the Alpha..."r   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:42:17 -0500m- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>o+ Subject: Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??o4 Message-ID: <Gi076.119084$Z2.1383507@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message * news:874rz7liql.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com...3 > "F Adolfsson" <nospam@localhost.spamwarn> writes:  >8	 > > Upper @ > > management people thought it was dead since it never appears anywhere0 > > (Cpq must aim for always and everywhere!!!). >nA > The best ( perhaps the only ) thing the Q can do to turn peoples@ > *perceptions* of VMS around is to get it seen in the every day > mass press. ...e  A I think that Compaq should get an ad ready for the next time someyE hacker attacks a big name system somewhere. As soon as possible afteroC the news gets out put it on a full page ad in the NY Times, Toronto  Star, London whatever...    The ad should say something like  4     On whateverday Kevin Mitnick* testified in front0     of the U.S. Congress that there was only one2     operating system that he could not break into.     What was it?                   OpenVMSa  % [not so small footnote at the bottom]e0     *Called the "World's Greatest Hacker" by the)     whatever-newspaper-this-appears-in one,     whatever-date-you-can-find-the-quote-for    A Every major newspaper should have at least one article where they-F refereed to Mitnik as the "world's greatest hacker" or the "FBI's mostD wanted hacker" or something like that. Tailor the ad to the specific+ newspaper by quoting what they said before.e  F According to past posts here, Rich Marcello has said in a presentationE or two that Mitnick did testify that VMS was the only system he couldlD not break into. I have never seen the actual quote but if he said it  then paste it all over the news.  D BTW: before anyone joins in to tell me that Mitnick probably did getE into VMS somewhere, who cares??? You word the ad right by saying that 8 this is according to his testimony in front of Congress.  D BTW again: If anyone from Compaq or their ad agency is reading this.D As far as I know, this was my idea, it is now in Public Domain, feelD free to use it for any VMS ad you want, I'm not going to ask for any) commission or try to claim any copyright.      --   RULES OF THE AIR   -----------------o<   #9. Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long*       enough to make all of them yourself.   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jan 2001 16:54:53 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)+ Subject: Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??s, Message-ID: <93i44t$op2@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  \ In article <93fae7$22h$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com> writes:J >There aren't many details, but the product roadmap would seem to indicate  >that something is in the works: >pC >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm= >= >Around slides 25-28.-  G Customers should not have to cryptoanalyze manufacturers' web sites to S! extract this sort of information.e  E I've never seen an antonym of FUD.  I'm going to make one up that is 5H more an antidote than an antonym, as it is applied to the company rather# than to the consumer.  Hear goes...t  G If the customer suffers FEAR it's because the company is either overtly0C threatening (think CA like price increases) or because the customeruJ perceives inflexibility, inability to deliver, or company instability.  SoJ the antidote is really HELPFUL.  (A company that is helpful is unlikely toF also be threatening, and instability is covered in the next section.)   F If the customer suffers from UNCERTAINTY that implies the companny is , unreliable.  The antidote is to be RELIABLE.  B If the customer has DOUBT then they are uncertain of the company'sJ intentions or future.  The latter problem is covered under reliable so theG company should make their intentions crystal clear by  providing better ( information - they must be INFORMATIVE.   I This suggests that the antidote for Compaq to FUD supplied by Andrew, andvI others, but also unwittingly and dimwittedly by Compaq itself, is for the[ company to become: ,  0    HRI ("hairy") == Helpful Reliable Informative  ? As applied to the current Oracle thread Compaq has failed to becK sufficiently Informative (assuming that the products in question are really.K available or forthcoming) or Helpful (if they have not arranged that Oracle K provide the products, or have not contacted the original poster to clarify   the situation).    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edur? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:00:06 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>+ Subject: Re: (no) Future of Oracle on VMS??t< Message-ID: <qy076.49243$1t.2716536@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  8 "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote in message. news:Gi076.119084$Z2.1383507@nnrp1.uunet.ca...; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagee, > news:874rz7liql.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com...5 > > "F Adolfsson" <nospam@localhost.spamwarn> writes:s > >  > > > Upper B > > > management people thought it was dead since it never appears
 > anywhere2 > > > (Cpq must aim for always and everywhere!!!). > >nC > > The best ( perhaps the only ) thing the Q can do to turn peopleiB > > *perceptions* of VMS around is to get it seen in the every day > > mass press. ...d >lC > I think that Compaq should get an ad ready for the next time somepG > hacker attacks a big name system somewhere. As soon as possible afteraE > the news gets out put it on a full page ad in the NY Times, Toronto  > Star, London whatever... >a" > The ad should say something like > 6 >     On whateverday Kevin Mitnick* testified in front2 >     of the U.S. Congress that there was only one4 >     operating system that he could not break into. >     What was it? >b >                 OpenVMSh >o' > [not so small footnote at the bottom]a2 >     *Called the "World's Greatest Hacker" by the+ >     whatever-newspaper-this-appears-in onw. >     whatever-date-you-can-find-the-quote-for >o >uC > Every major newspaper should have at least one article where they H > refereed to Mitnik as the "world's greatest hacker" or the "FBI's mostF > wanted hacker" or something like that. Tailor the ad to the specific- > newspaper by quoting what they said before.r >s  J I don't believe that any verminous scumbag hacker should be described as aL "world's greatest" anything, other than perhaps the world's greatest pain inE the ass. CPQ should not help a criminal achieve cause celebre status,SJ there's enuff clueless Mitnick groupies doing that already. (Remember backK in the late 80s when a DECUS member made a big stink about Digital's effort 1 to bar Mitnick from attending a DECUS symposium?)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:45:38 +0100O2 From: Andreas Stiller <Andreas.Stiller@netsurf.de>Y Subject: Re: APACHE (CSWS) + MOD_PERL = No private process logicals definable inLOGIN.COM * Message-ID: <3A5CADD2.BC1A80B0@netsurf.de>   Hi,l  C there is a new release of CSWS. Its release notes describe a "knowngE problem" with process private logical names and mod_perl enabled. Thet URL is:   U http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_relnotes.html#relnotesg   Maybe it fits to your problem.   Andreas=   Andy Stoffel schrieb:= > 7 > Just wondering if anyone has run into this "problem."_ >  > [background]: > I have 2 systems, virtually identical Alphaserver 1200's7 > with the same version of VMS (7.2-1), memory (512MB),=5 > and (more or less) the same applications being used-" > on them. Same versions of TCPIP. > % > There are 2 noticeable differences.< > 3 >     1 - System A has 1 CPU & SYSTEM B h as 2 CPUso8 >     2 - The people using SYSTEM B want to use MOD_PERL? >         with Apache/CSWS and the people using SYSTEM A don't.n > ? > I've set up the same "web application" (Using Apache) on bothuI > systems. This web application is basically a web interface to (part of)oE > a  "legacy" terminal based application suite ( POISE for those that A > want to know/care) . A bunch of html, Javascript, BASIC and DCLdC > 'components'. Traditionally, this software has been configured soh@ > that a large number of process-private logicals are created in > a user's LOGIN.COM.d >  > [/background]t >  > The problem: > = >     If the site that wants to use MOD_PERL with Apache/CSWS ? >   (and they do have the correct versions) enables mod_perl ine. >   APACHE$COMMON:[CONF]HTTPD.CONF suddenly my@ >     web application stops working. If I disable mod_perl (note? >    from the component types above that my application doesn't C >   use Perl so it doesn't affect me but really annoys the users ofo >   this machine). > ? > What appears to have happened is that, with mod_perl enabled,w7 > the APACHE$WWW processes no longer seem to have their < > process-private logicals as created in Apache's LOGIN.COM.D > (Ouch!) and this "legacy" application stops working. But any other< > logicals (job or system) or symbols ARE defined correctly.& > (I'm able to prove that by modifying > ) > APACHE$COMMON:[CGI-BIN]TEST-CGI-VMS.COM5< > to show me the logicals & symbols the process has defined.< > I've also logged into the Apache$WWW account interactively? > and all logicals/symbols are correctly defined interactively.g > ? > I can define logicals in other logical name tables for Apache/8 > with or without MOD_PERL enabled so I'm assuming it is4 > related strictly to some process related resource. > J > I was hoping/thinking it would be a system resource problem but if it is' > it's not something I would recognize.> > H > I thought maybe that there just wasn't enough room for all the process > logicals but:. > < >     LNMPHASHTBL on this system is set to 512 (the default)< >    and, when mod_perl is disabled, an APACHE$WWW_# process >    has 244 process logicals. > = >   But I can't find anywhere in any VMS documentation searchn8 >   that says LNMPHASHTBL is pooled so I'm assuming thatC >   each APACHE process can have up to 512 logicals on this system.t > = > Any suggestions of where else to look would be appreciated.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:18:34 -0800 # From: Alvin Small <asmall@home.com>n Subject: Re: Bar Code printer ( Message-ID: <3A5C7D4A.9F86059A@home.com>  H First of all, thanks for your reply and the reprimand.  What I am tryingB to do is add an IBM 4400 thermal bar code printer to our system toE replace some older serial printers which seem to only work on our oldaG DecServers. I will shortly send a copy of the VMS printer subtypes.  WebD are running OpenVMS 7.1-2.  The new printer is attached via ethernetG (TCP/IP).  What I am trying to print is a bar-code of a SSN for medicallD record tracking purposes.  The label also contains the person's NameF and  SSN in text form.  The text portion prints out fine, the bar-codeH portion is all code (numbers mostly)!  I hope this is enough to give all9 an idea of what I am faced with!  Thanks for the support!o   "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:  > % > Message text written by Alvin SmallnJ > >I am trying to add an IBM bar code printer to our system.  Instead of aH > bar code it prints out numbers.  I have the save problem with a Zebra., > Can any one tell me where I'm going wrong? > <u > J >         Since you haven't really told us what you are doing, there's notI > much chance that anybody will be able to answer you in anything but theS > most general terms.) > F >         Try reading the programming manual for the printer; you mustL > somehow tell it that you want to print a barcode instead of text and, when8 > you are done, you must tell it to return to text mode. > F >         If all else fails, you might try telling us the model of theG > printer, the version of VMS, how the printer is attached, how you are J > trying to place it in bar code mode (select the barcode font), etc, etc.J > It might also be helpful to tell us exactly what you sent to the printer > and exactly what it printed.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:22:01 GMT8# From: Alvin Small <asmall@home.com>a Subject: Re: Bar Code printerM( Message-ID: <3A5C7DC3.DD6A349F@home.com>  H First of all, thanks for your reply and the reprimand.  What I am tryingB to do is add an IBM 4400 thermal bar code printer to our system toE replace some older serial printers which seem to only work on our old-G DecServers. I will shortly send a copy of the VMS printer subtypes.  WesD are running OpenVMS 7.1-2.  The new printer is attached via ethernetG (TCP/IP).  What I am trying to print is a bar-code of a SSN for medical D record tracking purposes.  The label also contains the person's NameF and  SSN in text form.  The text portion prints out fine, the bar-codeH portion is all code (numbers mostly)!  I hope this is enough to give all9 an idea of what I am faced with!  Thanks for the support!    Alvin Small wrote: > I > I am trying to add an IBM bar code printer to our system.  Instead of anH > bar code it prints out numbers.  I have the save problem with a Zebra., > Can any one tell me where I'm going wrong? >  > Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:44:10 -0800l* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> Subject: Re: Bar Code printerd2 Message-ID: <Wk076.51$9r5.13802@news1.primary.net>  0 "Alvin Small" <asmall@home.com> wrote in message" news:3A5C7DC3.DD6A349F@home.com...C > First of all, thanks for your reply and the reprimand.  What I am- tryingD > to do is add an IBM 4400 thermal bar code printer to our system toG > replace some older serial printers which seem to only work on our old- > DecServers >-E I have used Eltron barcode printers on VMS for over 10 years, usuallyoD connected to Decservers, so there is no inherent problem in printingG barcodes.  What I would suggest is dumping out the command sequences to-H print the barcode and make sure they work.  Does the exact same sequenceG of characters print correctly if sent from a PC directly to the barcode F printer?  It's been my experience that getting the right control codesB for the barcode format is 99% of the work involved.  Anything evenD slightly off and you get nothing, or just a string of alphanumerics.     Jack Peacock   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jan 2001 18:34:55 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Bar Code printere6 Message-ID: <93ia0f$q2b$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  N In article <3A5C7D4A.9F86059A@home.com>, Alvin Small <asmall@home.com> writes:  G :What I am trying to print is a bar-code ... contains the person's Name G :and  SSN in text form.  The text portion prints out fine, the bar-code.& :portion is all code (numbers mostly)!  E   You are going to have to read the printer manual, and determine thesE   details of how the specific printer makes the specific switch-over lF   between the specific text printing and the specific barcode printing   capabilities.e  H   You will learn more about the characters that are sent to the printer;6   about the character stream; about the data stream...  G   More specifically, there is likely some character sequence (hopefully.H   an ANSI control sequence, or potentially something printer-specific), I   that tells the printer that the following characters are to be printed aH   as barcode and not as text.  Once that sequence (and probably also theE   corresponding reset sequence) is inserted into the character streamhH   sent to the printer (inserted by the application generating the data, E   by the print symbiont based on carnal knowledge of the contents of hG   the character stream, or simply by hand for texting), you should get     what you want.  E   This assumes you cannot locate a print symbiont or host tools or an F   application modification that can deal with the particular model of F   barcode printer involved here.  This would likely involve contactingC   the application vendor and/or application support organization...   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:32:07 +0000o8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>H Subject: Black Line problem in HP8100DN printer fixed with new firmware.L Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240112028@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  J Today new firmware ( Firmware datecode: 20000427 MB5.54 ) was installed inH our HP 8100DN printer. It fixes the long-standing problem we've had withF vertical black lines appearing occasionally in PostScript output. ThisF particular problem was first officially reported to HP on 14-JAN-1999.K Although the problem was fixed, I have been told, in version MB 5.48 of the I firmware HP did not voluntarily offer either the information or a fix. ItyL took a great deal of effort and many phone calls to finally obtain the fixed	 firmware. @ The firmware came in the convenient form of a replacement SIMM .   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)M   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:23:32 +0000t% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>p= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutione8 Message-ID: <7vdo5tkj0laajsra5ihg9er351gncm3dqp@4ax.com>  @ On 9 Jan 2001 22:27:05 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) wrote:  b >In article <9355o5$rue@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:> >>Today in the mail there was a small glossy flyer from CompaqA >>offering to sell me "A simple, affordable clustering solution."t >S >Which wasn't VMS and etc.  B I think the following should definitely be forwarded internally to9 Rich Marcello and higher - probably directly to Capellas.j    K >Today at 7:40 AM PST (bet they get mostly answering machines at that hour)?L >I received what appeared to be a followup call on that mailing.  The callerK >said she was representing Compaq and some other company I'd never heard ofrK >(and promptly forgot, it was the people who'd been hired to carry out this J >campaign).  It soon became apparent that the sole purpose of the call wasL >to see if they might later pitch a W2000 Proliant server sale.  When I toldA >her that my main machine ran VMS, and the file server for the NTlH >workstations was a Linux box, it pretty much deflated her balloon.  SheE >wasn't at all interested in any of that, nor in the many Alpha/Linux.! >machines we crunch numbers with.: >:L >One might have thought that when a Compaq representative, even a hired gun,K >finds herself on the phone with a customer who owns numerous Compaq AlphaseL >she would be prepared to handle the situation to Compaq's advantage.  Did IK >want to buy some more DS10s?  How about an upgrade on that VMS server to aoJ >DS20, ES40, or higher?  Did I want to talk to somebody who could pitch anG >Alpha?  Nope, none of that. She didn't even inquire as to which Alpha SK >models we had - for all she knew we were packed to the walls with high end'J >GS models and had a yearly budget running into 7 or 8 figures.  (I wish!) >pH >All she cared about was the PC end of it.  Well, that and she wanted toH >know which company we "partnered with for web design".  But even the PCK >side of this exchange was handled poorly: after she learned that we had NTlK >workstations she didn't follow that lead at all, for instance, by pitching I >workstation sales immediately or offering to redirect me to somebody whonE >could provide me with information on Compaq's workstation products. e >uH >If this is typical of Compaq salesmanship then it's a miracle that they >sell anything at all.   >f
 >David Mathoga >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu@ >Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech K >**************************************************************************rK >*                                RIP VMS                                 *eK >**************************************************************************    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jan 2001 12:09:36 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)f= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionf0 Message-ID: <93hje0$fv3$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  _ In article <93fo8s$gpl$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:r> >In article <2_D66.12164$BI2.3220372@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,8 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >|> H >Someone said that there are 1.7 billion shares outstanding.  That meansJ >you would have to buy significantly more than 850 million shares in orderJ >to change their direction.  That amounts to a hostile takeover and is not3 >the kind of thing that common people can pull off.  >?G >Seems to me that ti would be easier (and probably cheaper) to just getr* >Compaq to sell you the VMS division.  :-) >a >bills >0  I Just as a hypothetical question. How many members are there in the DECUS .J and Tandem user groups and how many shares would every member have to buy  to gain a controlling interest.m  B Just imagine it a computer company taken over by it's user groups.      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:39:46 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution * Message-ID: <3A5C6622.F92017ED@uk.sun.com>   Mark Berryman wrote: >  > andrew harrison wrote: > >yJ > > Why would this be suprising. Oracle sales people are goaled on selling	 > > theirdH > > applications, selling the DBMS isn't enough. As you know Oracle only > > supportnK > > a very small subset of their applications portfolio on OpenVMS so it istH > > unsuprising that their sales people steer clear of OpenVMS, they are > > lessF > > likely to make their targets if they steer people towards OpenVMS. > E > Nay.  Not so.  I have a good friend who works for Oracle and VMS isaI > getting a very big push inside Oracle.  In fact, he asked me if I coulddG > teach him anything about VMS so he could understand why it was such av* > popular (his word) system for databases. >   G Sorry, check with your local Oracle sales rep. Their targets include a eD large element based on the sale of Oracle applications not the DBMS.  D Since only a small subset of the Oracle applications run on OpenVMS H the Oracle sales person is less likely to make their target by proposing that the customer uses OpenVMS.r  G If there was a big OpenVMS push in Oracle then OpenVMS would by now be rD a tier one port and would have all or at least a much larger part ofB the Oracle apps portfolio available. Neither of which is the case.  A Dejanews is littered with postings saying that Oracle is "really p= interested in OpenVMS" the best example being Rob Youngs pre  > Galaxy boosting. To date OpenVMS is still not a tier one port ; nor does it have anything like the full portfolio of Oraclep
 applications.      RegardsO Andrew Harrison- Enterprise IT Architectt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:59:14 +0000i0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionv) Message-ID: <3A5C6AB2.3A867F6@uk.sun.com>s   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > Hey Andrew ! > L > Hopefully you have a good holidays .. Nice to see you back here again. :-) > B > >>> As you know Oracle only support a very small subset of theirI > applications portfolio on OpenVMS so it is unsuprising that their sales(N > people steer clear of OpenVMS, they are less likely to make their targets if' > they steer people towards OpenVMS.>>>  > > > Please, you can do better than that.. here's one for you ... >   @ It nice to know that you havn't made a good years resolution to , do a bit better in these little discussions.   What are you objecting to ?t  H Is the undeniable fact that only a small subset of Oracles applications C run on OpenVMS (a simple check of the Oracle platforms pages shows f this).  @ Or is it that Oracle sales people are goaled on selling products@ other than the DBMS, which you could check by asking your local  Oracle sales guy.r  C Or are you just expecting Oracle sales people to defy human nature eG and recommend something that may not be in their interests financially.   C Saying "Please you can do better" when you a clearly unprepared to tC actually refute the points I made seems to be more of a playground eD response which much more adequately describes your posting than the $ one you didn't manage to respond to.  nK > "What middleware product strategy would you (or Sun in general) recommendp: > for a Customer that wanted an Oracle database solution?" >   E I cannot dream of why you asked this question, nor would I suggest anhE answer since there is not a "general" single middleware solution that D meets all the requirements of all customers. In fact many customers E have at least two middleware apps because they require functionality n/ from one that isn't in another and vice versa. y  A One customer I am working with uses Vitria, BEA WLS, BEA WLES all 3 different products all with different capabilities.s  @ The fact that you even assume that there is a general middlewareB solution tends to suggest that you should exit from the discussion% without embarassing yourself further.i > :-)    -:):):)      Regardsl Andrew Harrisonl Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 19:25:30 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionu0 Message-ID: <87d7dvlkd1.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  4 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  . > In article <9355o5$rue@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,4 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:        ^^^    ^^^   < Now who was the company who is making a big deal about their: servers in Molecular Genetics? It can't have been the ones9 David has been trying to give a clue too for, ? 3 years ?  No, must be someone else.a     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.r@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 19:22:40 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutione0 Message-ID: <87hf37lkhr.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  4 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  c > In article <9355o5$rue@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:-? > >Today in the mail there was a small glossy flyer from CompaqmB > >offering to sell me "A simple, affordable clustering solution." >  > Which wasn't VMS and etc.i > L > Today at 7:40 AM PST (bet they get mostly answering machines at that hour)M > I received what appeared to be a followup call on that mailing.  The callereL > said she was representing Compaq and some other company I'd never heard ofL > (and promptly forgot, it was the people who'd been hired to carry out thisK > campaign).  It soon became apparent that the sole purpose of the call wasrM > to see if they might later pitch a W2000 Proliant server sale.  When I told   D Ah, I wonder how many acres of Proliants they need to get shot of...@ They must be sweating with the sales they have had how they will@ find victims for them before we all fall down at the feet of the/ SMP P4s and... Itanic. Yes, that's the the one.a  A I wonder if they come up with these idears in the morning, beforei= the brain has engaged, or after the liquid lunch has disolvedt both neurons...n   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 10:36:45 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionM+ Message-ID: <NyrQVDO+8K1N@eisner.decus.org>j  ] In article <3A5C6622.F92017ED@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:y   > C > Dejanews is littered with postings saying that Oracle is "really e? > interested in OpenVMS" the best example being Rob Youngs pre  @ > Galaxy boosting. To date OpenVMS is still not a tier one port = > nor does it have anything like the full portfolio of Oraclen > applications.  >  >   : 	Andrew.. that was based on a former MCI employee that nowA 	works at a world famous TCP/IP company that does a VMS product..s& 	but yes I am guilty of that boasting.  B 	Tell you what, you give me to Galaxy Phase IV and son-of-Wildfire? 	(aka Marvel) and let me boast then and I promise not to do toonC 	many bunny hops through the UltraSparc III delivery promises/hype.p   				Robl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:51:15 -0800y+ From: "richard n. frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov>t= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution > Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010110074741.00b128f0@poptop.llnl.gov>  * --=====================_-1814519091==_.ALT; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowedc  A Good thinking JF. At last... a reasonable thought on the subject!rM                                                                              4                     rich   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jan 2001 16:05:32 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutione, Message-ID: <93i18c$op2@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  _ In article <87d7dvlkd1.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: 5 >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:a > / >> In article <9355o5$rue@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,s5 >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:t >       ^^^    ^^^ e >f= >Now who was the company who is making a big deal about theira; >servers in Molecular Genetics? It can't have been the onesg: >David has been trying to give a clue too for, ? 3 years ? >No, must be someone else. >t  G You're referring to the Celera people.  I had a conversation with theiraH chief scientist in which I asked him directly why they had purchased allK those alphas instead of Sun's or something else. The response was that theynG had an absolute need for 64 bit memory addressing and at the time thereeK were only 2 64 bit OS's stable enough for that job: Tru64 and AIX.  (Notice K that OpenVMS was not mentioned even though it was also a 64 bit OS.) Compaq A offered a better deal and so they made the sale. There were otherrI nontechnical factors involved as well, they were in a huge hurry to crankrH out a sequence, and they were sitting on a large pile of cash.  So priceF was no object.   "Price is no object" seems to be the common theme forF a lot of large Alpha sales, for instance to weapons labs and the like.  A Please understand that while Celera needs all that horsepower forrI assembling mammalian genomes, using custom software for the task,  all ofeE the computational tools they offer within their (hideously expensive)pD subscription service are strictly 32 bit implementations.  BLAST forG instance (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) breaks up databases into multiple fileseL once the offsets exceed 2Gb.  So people without such deep pockets generally K run it on Intel boxes for a tiny fraction of the price, usually on machinestJ with only 1 or 2 processors.  (Giving up SMP isn't such a big deal becauseK a search of N queries against a database can be split with trivial overheadoJ across N machines.  I do that every day with my 9 node linux "cluster" forI maybe 1/10th the cost of what a 9CPU SMP machine would have run.)  In anyaH case, the trend in genomics seems to be strongly towards Linux/Intel forI general development, with only a few sites going with Alphas now.  That'slG kind of ironic actually because this is one field where we now often gosF over 32 bits, but that seems not to be enough of an incentive for mostI people to spend the extra $$$ on alphas.  Besides, in this field programs-D tend to be close to 100% integer ops and so there's no reason to pay@ a premium for the Alphas FPU prowess when it won't ever be used!   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edus? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech .   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 12:02:01 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionn+ Message-ID: <vuIcjQfDumjZ@eisner.decus.org>t  a In article <93i18c$op2@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:wa > In article <87d7dvlkd1.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:r6 >>mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: >>0 >>> In article <9355o5$rue@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,6 >>mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: >>       ^^^    ^^^  >>> >>Now who was the company who is making a big deal about their< >>servers in Molecular Genetics? It can't have been the ones; >>David has been trying to give a clue too for, ? 3 years ?  >>No, must be someone else.  >> > I > You're referring to the Celera people.  I had a conversation with theirnJ > chief scientist in which I asked him directly why they had purchased allM > those alphas instead of Sun's or something else. The response was that theynI > had an absolute need for 64 bit memory addressing and at the time theretM > were only 2 64 bit OS's stable enough for that job: Tru64 and AIX.  (NoticedM > that OpenVMS was not mentioned even though it was also a 64 bit OS.) CompaqoC > offered a better deal and so they made the sale. There were othertK > nontechnical factors involved as well, they were in a huge hurry to cranktJ > out a sequence, and they were sitting on a large pile of cash.  So priceH > was no object.   "Price is no object" seems to be the common theme forH > a lot of large Alpha sales, for instance to weapons labs and the like. >     > 	Interesting... now we know more about who the competition was; 	AND we know how badly the AIX solution was beaten/whupped:a  K http://www.success-stories.compaq.com/css/cgi-bin/cssextusr/s=display/i=659p  M "People ask me why we chose Compaq. The answer is simple. We took a benchmark O and gave it to all the vendors. Only two vendors could run it. One ran it in 87t& hours. Compaq ran it in seven hours."     K > people to spend the extra $$$ on alphas.  Besides, in this field programsrF > tend to be close to 100% integer ops and so there's no reason to payB > a premium for the Alphas FPU prowess when it won't ever be used!  = 	Yes.. and future Alphas, re: EV8 will help very much in thisc; 	regard 8-way issue , SMT and all that.  IA32 will still ber> 	32-bit ;-O and larger memories are becoming increasingly moreH 	important and memory gets cheaper.  IA64 variations with SMT many more  	years out (if ever).D   				Robo   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:49:30 +0000'  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution H Message-ID: <OF844D40FA.AE4604DA-ON802569D0.0061B053@qedi.quintiles.com>   JF Mezei wrote:pK >>>Taken to the extreme, we could kidnap the VMS Wizzard and require Compaqk toH commit to advertise VMS on CNN a certain number of times as a ransom.<<<  E At last!!  The real reason for the change in the image of the OpenVMSwJ Wizard!  It's not because everybody within VMS Engineering knows the storyH of the pachyderm, it's purely a first move to get the Worldwide Fund forA Nature (a.k.a. World Wildlife Fund) involved in supporting VMS!!!t Good move guys!! :-)y   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:41:19 -0500a1 From: "Paul Johnston" <secretariat.lwcb@ec.gc.ca>l< Subject: Data Conversion: VAX D, G floats from a binary file3 Message-ID: <93hvlo$1l8j$1@news2.ottawa.cyberus.ca>*  J We're having a tough time trying to convert some old data that was writtenJ (we believe) with a Fortran program (version unknown) on a DEC MicroVax IIF computer to a binary file (now in Win98).  We have isolated two of the valuesI from our file with what we believe they should be.  We will be convertingk them to VBA Doubles.:  J We have tried to reverse bits, reverse 16-bit words, reverse 32-bit words, etcaJ (i.e. to deal with big-endian, little-endian idea) and then decompose themG as DEC D and G format floats, to no avail (those other "twists" are not2 shownp here).  E So, if any of you can figure out how to go from the hex string to our  expectedF value, we'd really appreciate it.  Or alternatively, could you write a simpleK Fortran program on a MicroVax II (or an equivalent machine) to simply writetH -99.0, 532.0 and 0 as 64-bit floats (D and G formats) to a file and then
 post/emailD those hex strings.  We could then simply see if they match or if our assumptionsb are incorrect.  9 Please try to be as explicit as necessary in your answer.l   Thanks in advancey   Paul Johnston, Michael Sarichb secretariat.lwcb@ec.gc.ca.2 --------------------------------------------------   Expected Value: 532.0   Hex String    : E54AE1703789C74B  D    E5       4A       E1       70       37       89       C7       4BG 11100101 01001010 11100001 01110000 00110111 10001001 11000111 01001011   F S   EXPONENT---   MANTISSA--------------------------------------------F 1   11001010100   1010111000010111000000110111100010011100011101001011=     Exponent = 11001010100  -->  1620  -->  597 (1620 - 1023).@     Value = -1 * 0.43984375 * 2 ^ 597  ==>  -2.281423110625E+179L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---s   Expected Value: -99.0p  Hex String    : 64496EBAB4C85839  D    64       49       6E       BA       B4       C8       58       39G 01100100 01001001 01101110 10111010 10110100 11001000 01011000 00111001t  F S   EXPONENT---   MANTISSA--------------------------------------------F 0   11001000100   1001011011101011101010110100110010000101100000111001=     Exponent = 11001000100  -->  1604  -->  581 (1604 - 1023)aC     Value = 1 * 0.39443359375 * 2 ^ 581  ==>  3.12177341109334E+174 L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:20:44 -0600l1 From: "Kurt W Hirchert" <hirchert@atmos.uiuc.edu> @ Subject: Re: Data Conversion: VAX D, G floats from a binary file5 Message-ID: <tY%66.1105$WF6.23189@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>n  < "Paul Johnston" <secretariat.lwcb@ec.gc.ca> wrote in message- news:93hvlo$1l8j$1@news2.ottawa.cyberus.ca...O4 > -------------------------------------------------- >n > Expected Value: 532.0r" > Hex String    : E54AE1703789C74B > F >    E5       4A       E1       70       37       89       C7       4BI > 11100101 01001010 11100001 01110000 00110111 10001001 11000111 01001011t >aH > S   EXPONENT---   MANTISSA--------------------------------------------H > 1   11001010100   1010111000010111000000110111100010011100011101001011? >     Exponent = 11001010100  -->  1620  -->  597 (1620 - 1023)cB >     Value = -1 * 0.43984375 * 2 ^ 597  ==>  -2.281423110625E+179L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---h >i > Expected Value: -99.0." > Hex String    : 64496EBAB4C85839 >fF >    64       49       6E       BA       B4       C8       58       39I > 01100100 01001001 01101110 10111010 10110100 11001000 01011000 00111001o >oH > S   EXPONENT---   MANTISSA--------------------------------------------H > 0   11001000100   1001011011101011101010110100110010000101100000111001? >     Exponent = 11001000100  -->  1604  -->  581 (1604 - 1023)eE >     Value = 1 * 0.39443359375 * 2 ^ 581  ==>  3.12177341109334E+174eL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --  G I don't have any reference material handy on Vax D and G formats, but IeK sincerely doubt that these hex strings correspond to the values you expect.jL On every floating point representation I have ever encountered, the mantissaL portion of the representation of 532.0 would have at most 3 1-bits set.  (InJ IEEE it is only 2 because the first 1-bit is implicit.)  The case of -99.0I is slightly more complicated because it is a negative number, but I wouldeJ expect the mantissa portion of its representation to either have a maximumL of 4 1-bits or have a maximum of 4 0-bits.  Neither of these representationsL has any string of bits that looks like a candidate for being the mantissa of these expected values.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:46:03 +0100u. From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>@ Subject: Re: Data Conversion: VAX D, G floats from a binary file, Message-ID: <93i713$edl$1@news.inet.tele.dk>  : Paul Johnston <secretariat.lwcb@ec.gc.ca> wrote in message- news:93hvlo$1l8j$1@news2.ottawa.cyberus.ca...oL > We're having a tough time trying to convert some old data that was writtenL > (we believe) with a Fortran program (version unknown) on a DEC MicroVax IIH > computer to a binary file (now in Win98).  We have isolated two of the; > Please try to be as explicit as necessary in your answer.  >n  G I enclose a quote from the Fortran User Manual - note, that the Fortran = compiler version does not influence the floating point binary  representations, since% these are VAX-architecture dependant.t  F Further down, I have a Fortran program, which accepts a floating point	 number ashL input and prints the binary representation as a string of hexadecimal bytes. I haveG compiled the program to use D_FLOATING and G_FLOATING respectively, and ! run it with a few example values.o  J If you need more values: Just send me a wish list. I could also extend the programl) to generate a larger table, if necessary.x    % Excerpt from the Fortran User Manual:   #  B. Data Storage and Representationh    9   This appendix describes the data types supported by DEC =   Fortran, discusses data alignment, and illustrates how data    types are stored in memory.l  :   The symbol :A in any figure specifies the address of the=   byte containing bit 0, which is the starting address of the    represented data element.o  =   DEC Fortran expects numeric data to be in native little en-0A   dian order, in which the least-significant, right-most zero bit @   (bit 0) or byte has a lower address than the most-significant,A   left-most bit (or byte). For information on the qualifiers usedJ;   to specify the floating-point formats, see Section 1.2.3.e   [snip]  %   B.4  Floating-Point Representationsl  5   The exponent for the REAL*4 and REAL*8 (D_floating)y=   formats is stored in binary excess 128 notation. Binary ex-e8   ponents from -127 to 127 are represented by the binary   equivalents of 1 through 255.a  >   The exponent for the REAL*8 (G_floating) format is stored in;   binary excess 1024 notation. The exponent for the REAL*16c=   format is stored in binary excess 16384 notation. In REAL*8o:   (G_floating) format, binary exponents from -1023 to 1023>   are represented by the binary equivalents of 1 through 2047.:   In REAL*16 format, binary exponents from -16383 to 16383?   are represented by the binary equivalents of 1 through 32767.o  >   For each floating-point format, fractions are represented in=   sign-magnitude notation, with the binary radix point to thel?   left of the most significant bit. Fractions are assumed to berB   normalized, and therefore the most significant bit is not storedD   (this is called ``hidden bit normalization''). This bit is assumed=   to be 1 unless the exponent is 0. If the exponent equals 0,d@   then the value represented is either zero, or it is a reservedA   operand. (Refer to the Section 10.5.1 for an explanation of the,5   representation of 0.0 and reserved operand faults.)n   [snip]     B.4.2  REAL*8 (D_floating)  ;   REAL*8 (D_floating) data is eight contiguous bytes start- >   ing on an arbitrary byte boundary. Bits are labeled from the   right, 0 through 63.  "   FIGURE: Click to display figure.       SIGN = 0(+), 1(-)t  9   The form of REAL*8 (D_floating) data is identical to an :   F_floating real number, except for an additional 32 low-:   significance fraction bits. The exponent conventions and:   approximate range of values are the same as those for F_<   floating. The precision is approximately one part in 2**55    (typically 16 decimal digits).       B.4.3  REAL*8 (G_floating)  =   REAL*8 (G_floating) data is eight contiguous bytes startingn>   on an arbitrary byte boundary. The bits are labeled from the   right, 0 through 63.  "   FIGURE: Click to display figure.       SIGN = 0(+), 1(-)l  9   The form of REAL*8 (G_floating) data is sign magnitude, ?   with bit 15 the sign bit, bits 14:4 an excess 1024 binary ex-l=   ponent, and bits 3:0 and 63:16 a normalized 53-bit fractiona=   with the redundant most significant fraction bit not repre-l>   sented. The value of a G_floating data is in the approximate<   range 0.56*10** -308 through 0.9*10**308. The precision of?   G_floating data is approximately one part in 2**52 (typically-   15 decimal digits).      $ type float.for  PROGRAM FLOAT  IMPLICIT NONE  REAL*8 FVAL
  BYTE BVAL(8)v
  INTEGER I  EQUIVALENCE (FVAL, BVAL)r    DO WHILE (.TRUE.)+     WRITE(6,'(''$TYPE FLOATING VALUE: '')')b      READ(5,'(F9.4)',END=100)FVAL(     WRITE(6,10) FVAL, (BVAL(I), I = 1,8)+  10    FORMAT(' FVAL ', F9.4, ' = ', 8Z3.2)t  END DO 
  100 CONTINUE   END   $ for/nog_floating float $ link float $ run float  TYPE FLOATING VALUE: 0.0 ) FVAL    0.0000 =  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  TYPE FLOATING VALUE: 1.0 ) FVAL    1.0000 =  80 40 00 00 00 00 00 00J TYPE FLOATING VALUE: -99.0a) FVAL  -99.0000 =  C6 C3 00 00 00 00 00 00  TYPE FLOATING VALUE: 532.0,) FVAL  532.0000 =  05 45 00 00 00 00 00 00D TYPE FLOATING VALUE:   $ for/g_floating float $ link float $ run floatn TYPE FLOATING VALUE: 0.0p) FVAL    0.0000 =  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00a TYPE FLOATING VALUE: 1.0a) FVAL    1.0000 =  10 40 00 00 00 00 00 00u TYPE FLOATING VALUE: -99.0t) FVAL  -99.0000 =  78 C0 00 C0 00 00 00 00r TYPE FLOATING VALUE: 532.0 ) FVAL  532.0000 =  A0 40 00 A0 00 00 00 00a TYPE FLOATING VALUE: $ set noverify         Best regards     Jesper Naure   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 13:04:31 -0500 From: briggs@eisner.decus.org @ Subject: Re: Data Conversion: VAX D, G floats from a binary file+ Message-ID: <Ib9AuEKfCiVm@eisner.decus.org>d  g In article <93hvlo$1l8j$1@news2.ottawa.cyberus.ca>, "Paul Johnston" <secretariat.lwcb@ec.gc.ca> writes:tG > So, if any of you can figure out how to go from the hex string to ourh
 > expectedH > value, we'd really appreciate it.  Or alternatively, could you write a > simple > Expected Value: 532.0h" > Hex String    : E54AE1703789C74B  D Sixteen hex digits.  That's 8 byte double precision.  Format unknown at this point.   *TILT*   532.0 is an integer.  H It will NOT encode as sixteen bytes of binary gibberish.  It WILL encode8 as a few non-zero hex digits and a bunch of zero digits.  > In particular, 532.0 in D Floating is: 05 45 00 00 00 00 00 00' (memory byte order from left to right)..  G 45 05  (VAX floats use a hybrid big-endian word order and little-endiane-         byte order, a legacy from the PDP-11)   ' 0100 0101 0000 0101 0000 0000 0000 0000o' ^\________/\__________________________/p | Exponent  Mantissa Sign bit   Sign bit 0 = positivee= Exponent = 0x8A = 138, Encoded excess-128 so it decodes to 10 + Mantissa = .10000101 = 0x85/0x100 = 133/256e+ Multiply by 2^10 and you have 133*4 = 532.0o  4 In G Floating, the result is A0 40 00 A0 00 00 00 00& (memory byte order from left to right)  5 40 A0 A0 00 (VAX hybrid floating byte ordering again)   ' 0100 0000 1010 0000 1010 0000 0000 0000i' ^\___________/ \______________________/o | Exponent    Mantissa Sign bit   Sign bit 0 = positive @ Exponent = 0x40A = 1038, Encoded excess-1024 so it decodes to 10+ Mantissa = .10000101 = 0x85/0x100 = 133/256 + Multiply by 2^10 and you have 133*4 = 532.0s  + Looks like you're trying to decode garbage.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 04:15:25 -0500s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)+ Subject: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4nL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1001010415250001@user-2ive6lu.dialup.mindspring.com>  f In article <zLqmB3$6n47K@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:   > In article <rdeininger-0801012241160001@user-2ive6as.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:o >  > > $ set def sys$manager- > > 3 > > This is the our usual default directory, right?0 >  > Not mine, ever.d  J Well, it's not my default either.  But it is the _default_ default for the~ SYSTEM account.  I certainly don't hang around in SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES too much, but some folks might enjoy that sort of thing.  $ > > $ RUN SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SYSVERF > >>>> SYS$BASE_IMAGE.EXE can not be opened: no such file or directory > > I > > So this little SYSVER program isn't smart enough to find the image itn > > wants to modify. > E > It seems to me that one would just as often be running this against:C > something other than the running system image.  Defaulting to the ; > location of the running system image would be a bad idea.'  J I don't really know what would count for "normal" with this program, sinceE I never heard of it before this, and I didn't stumble on to any docs.e  ( Anyway, it didn't really break anything.   -- h Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comh   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:57:48 GMTs From: kopicbloodaxe@my-deja.com ( Subject: Disabling shadow merge function) Message-ID: <93hf7a$fah$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   	 Hi y'all,   . Anyone know of a utility that will disable the( merge functionality of volume shadowing?  % I've heard of something that's called * LBN<something-or-other> but can't find any information on it.  % Many thanks for any help or pointers!w   Regards,   Simon.     Sent via Deja.comu http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:31:16 -0800 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>, Subject: Re: Disabling shadow merge function2 Message-ID: <R8076.50$9r5.13742@news1.primary.net>  , <kopicbloodaxe@my-deja.com> wrote in message# news:93hf7a$fah$1@nnrp1.deja.com...l > Hi y'all,t >w0 > Anyone know of a utility that will disable the* > merge functionality of volume shadowing? >lH How about setting the SHADOW_MAX_COPY parameter to zero?  I believe thatG gives you a single drive for the shadow set regardless of the number of D member disks you add to the set.  Not clear why that would be useful though.     Jack Peacocke   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 12:22:27 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young), Subject: Re: Disabling shadow merge function+ Message-ID: <3aA0+sbP7mvI@eisner.decus.org>V  _ In article <R8076.50$9r5.13742@news1.primary.net>, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> writes:i. > <kopicbloodaxe@my-deja.com> wrote in message% > news:93hf7a$fah$1@nnrp1.deja.com...e >> Hi y'all, >>1 >> Anyone know of a utility that will disable the + >> merge functionality of volume shadowing?  >>J > How about setting the SHADOW_MAX_COPY parameter to zero?  I believe thatI > gives you a single drive for the shadow set regardless of the number of4F > member disks you add to the set.  Not clear why that would be useful	 > though.n >    Jack Peacock  >   : 	It's not.  Let's hope this person inherited a workstation: 	and doesn't have a production database and wishes to "get 	away from those pesky merges."r   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:09:13 +0000S- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> , Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again) Message-ID: <3A5C9739.49ECD611@bbc.co.uk>d  6 This thread on the register makes interesting reading.  1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/15959.html   < Can't help wondering if they actually LOST all their clients< preferences settings in a recent outage and have turned them& all on again as a default setting :-).  @ Seems the most plausible explaination for their behaviour to me.   Regardsd    --t6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukm  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofk MedAS or the BBC.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:38:01 GMTi1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>l! Subject: Re: Email, SMTP% and FAXh7 Message-ID: <Z3W66.278$h4.27686@nostril.pacific.net.au>r  , Roland Hauk <roland.hauk@indramat.de> wrote: > Hello,  # > We have VAX VMS 7.2 and TCPIP 5.0i   > 1. Question:: >     I want to send an email to our FAX-gateway from CAE.@ >     A email for fax is specially formated [FAX:@<fax number>].  ( >     $ mail  /PERSONAL_NAME="TEST,FAX"-" >               /SUB="Hello FAX" - >               willi.lis - " >               SMTP%"[FAX:@4850]"  5 	I am no expert, but you could try a few variations :b 	first	SMTP%[FAX:@4850] ,t# 	next	SMTP%FAX:@4850	,	and so on...y  8 	If all else fails, please have a look into the manuals. 	I hope this helps...w
 					Csaba  I    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- E    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehog E    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush. I    -----------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:10:35 +0100-- From: "Roland Hauk" <roland.hauk@indramat.de>1! Subject: Re: Email, SMTP% and FAX1- Message-ID: <93htlv$1id1@sunny.mannesmann.de>-   > first SMTP%[FAX:@4850] ,$ > next SMTP%FAX:@4850 , and so on...  
 Doesn't work!i Now he miss the file 4850.com !    -- Thanks in advance,5 Roland Hauk        ( Email: roland.hauk@indramat.de ) , Rexroth Indramat  ( http://www.indramat.de )        A "CSABA HARANGOZO" <csabah@zipworld.com.au> schrieb im Newsbeitrag-1 news:Z3W66.278$h4.27686@nostril.pacific.net.au...1. > Roland Hauk <roland.hauk@indramat.de> wrote:
 > > Hello, >0% > > We have VAX VMS 7.2 and TCPIP 5.0  >  > > 1. Question:< > >     I want to send an email to our FAX-gateway from CAE.B > >     A email for fax is specially formated [FAX:@<fax number>]. >-* > >     $ mail  /PERSONAL_NAME="TEST,FAX"-$ > >               /SUB="Hello FAX" - > >               willi.lis - $ > >               SMTP%"[FAX:@4850]" >o6 > I am no expert, but you could try a few variations : > first SMTP%[FAX:@4850] ,$ > next SMTP%FAX:@4850 , and so on... > 9 > If all else fails, please have a look into the manuals.a > I hope this helps... > Csaba- >-K >    ----------------------------------------------------------------------0G >    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehogCG >    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.1K >    -----------------------------------------------------------------------= >    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:37:07 -05001/ From: "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>  Subject: FW: LN08 infoI Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB33D@rlghncst625.usps.gov>-   Dan-    > I remember the horrors of having to deal with those puppies.    A I think I've got the maintenance manual (yes, we shelled out the  @ bucks for one, that should say it all...) for the LN08A printer 9 somewhere in what I'l euphemistically call my "archives".A  ? I seem to recall that it contains the runes required to get to 0" the secret maintenance menus, etc.  / What's it worth for me to hunt it down for you?1   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----0 From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ) Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 8:20 AM-6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: LN08 info    E In article <5.0.2.1.2.20010109170159.00aaf258@ntbsod.psccos.com>, Danx O'ReillyI <dano@process.com> writes: > Anybody got any info on an LN08 printer (akan "DEClaser 3200"), like; > speed, capacity, interfaces, etc?  Can this be networked?h >   E IIRC its somewhere in the 8 to 12 PPM range (maybe 20).  Interface isiE serial, ours hangs off an old DEC terminal server via LAT.  We've gots! the baud rate cranked up to 19.2Kx  @ Used to have some hung off little LPR server boxes via Multinet.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationb= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group-E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:09:03 -0700o% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>i Subject: Re: FW: LN08 infoA Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010110070807.00a75ac0@ntbsod.psccos.com>s  I How about a bottle of your favorite brew (beer, not 36-year-old scotch!)?g  - At 06:37 AM 1/10/2001, Webb, William W wrote:  >Dan-) >t= >I remember the horrors of having to deal with those puppies.o >tA >I think I've got the maintenance manual (yes, we shelled out the @ >bucks for one, that should say it all...) for the LN08A printer: >somewhere in what I'l euphemistically call my "archives". > ? >I seem to recall that it contains the runes required to get tob# >the secret maintenance menus, etc.  > 0 >What's it worth for me to hunt it down for you? >a >WWWebbp >r >-----Original Message-----p0 >From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET* >Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 8:20 AM7 >To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETO >Subject: RE: LN08 info  >  >wF >In article <5.0.2.1.2.20010109170159.00aaf258@ntbsod.psccos.com>, Dan	 >O'ReillycJ ><dano@process.com> writes: > Anybody got any info on an LN08 printer (aka >"DEClaser 3200"), liker= > > speed, capacity, interfaces, etc?  Can this be networked?  > >a >nF >IIRC its somewhere in the 8 to 12 PPM range (maybe 20).  Interface isF >serial, ours hangs off an old DEC terminal server via LAT.  We've got" >the baud rate cranked up to 19.2K >eA >Used to have some hung off little LPR server boxes via Multinet.g >dG >----------------------------------------------------------------------i@ >Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation> >NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupG >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingf   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+nI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |eI | Principal Engineer            |  "Those are my principles. If you     |xI | Process Software              |   don't like them I have others."     |bI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |AI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+p   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:40:15 GMTn From: kparris@my-deja.com)- Subject: Re: Gigabit Ethernet and VMS 6.2-1H3 ) Message-ID: <93iaad$89r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>f  . In article <91om76$kmq$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>,A   "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:eH > I need to interconnect to VMS 6.2-1H3 cluster nodes with a better link > than the existing FDDI.g  @ "Better" in what dimensions?  What problem do you need to solve?C Reduce full shadow-copy times?  Reduce lock request latency?  Lower B host CPU overhead?  Alleviate CPU 0 saturation in interrupt state?  / What is the distance between the cluster nodes?   D > The DEGPA-SA network adapter is supported under VMS Alpha 6.2-1H3. >v4 > 1.- does it need patches to be fully operational ? >pG > 2.- can it be used as cluster interconnect, specially for shadowing ?n  @ I don't know about patches or support for 6.2-1H3, but I'm usingG Gigabit Ethernet (alongside GIGAswitches/FDDI) in a VMS cluster at 7.2-sE 1H1.  It does indeed function as a cluster interconnect, carrying SCSe) traffic, and works with volume shadowing.    Some things I've learned:N  E The 7.2-1H1 Release Notes say to set the SYSGEN paramter LAN_FLAGS toaB 32 to disable auto-negotiation.  When I did that, my links STOPPEDD working, and I had to set it back to zero to get them working again.  D Gigabit Ethernet technology itself supports 8-kilobyte Jumbo frames,E but this is not supported yet on VMS.  This means Gigabit Ethernet is B limited to a payload of 1498 bytes, just like Fast Ethernet or 10-F megabit Ethernet.  If you have FDDI and have set NISCS_MAX_PKTSZ up toG 4468 to use large packets on FDDI, PEDRIVER will use FDDI in preferenceyD to Gigabit Ethernet unless and until the FDDI goes down.  This meansF NISCS_MAX_PKTSZ will need to be at 1498 if you want to use the GigabitF Ethernet.  The implication of this is that you can't use large packetsD on FDDI, either, and there will be about 3 times as many LAN packetsE for bulk data transfers like shadow copies and large remote shadowset D writes than if you were using FDDI.  This will increase the host CPU& overhead involved in those operations.  F In my measurements, latency for lock requests on Gigabit Ethernet is aE bit lower than FDDI, but certainly not anywhere near the 10X that theL3 difference in bandwidth specifications might imply:,'                       GS-140     GS-160D' Gigabit Ethernet      340 us     240 us ' FDDI                  370 us     360 us   G I haven't compared actual bandwidth yet, to see if the Gigabit EthernetlC adapter can deliver on its theoretical 10X bandwidth advantage over + FDDI in real-world work like shadow copies.YG -----------------------------------------------------------------------EG Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospamEF VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:04:15 +01000= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>0
 Subject: GNAT0) Message-ID: <3A5C177F.AB74184D@gtech.com>t  @ Does anyone knows why there are no longer any VMS kit for GNAT ?   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:41:33 +0100e. From: Martin Heller <mheller667@compuserve.de> Subject: Re: GNAT-- Message-ID: <3A5C4A6C.A8C4AE90@compuserve.de>   B If I understand Compaq's ADA OpenVMS page correctly, GNAT was paid8 to deliver a fully validated ADA95 compiler for OpenVMS.; GNAT has also a special ADA OpenVMS page. The VMS target isr< in the gnat 3.13p sources. So you could compile it yourself.: But if you are doing a commercial project, buying support E from GNAT with a precompiled GNAT for OpenVMS is THE way to go, IMHO.n
 MARTIN HELLERy   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:59:03 +01007= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: GNATt) Message-ID: <3A5C5C96.CF5824FD@gtech.com>.   Martin Heller wrote:D > If I understand Compaq's ADA OpenVMS page correctly, GNAT was paid: > to deliver a fully validated ADA95 compiler for OpenVMS.= > GNAT has also a special ADA OpenVMS page. The VMS target isd> > in the gnat 3.13p sources. So you could compile it yourself.; > But if you are doing a commercial project, buying supporteG > from GNAT with a precompiled GNAT for OpenVMS is THE way to go, IMHO._    It is for purely hobbyist usage.  D I was just afraid they had dropped VMS support. But I can understand thatF it is more "we provide source for all platforms and binaries for those@ platform, that we just happends to have easy acces to build on".   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:06:42 -0500t2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)1 Subject: Help with virtual terminals / UCX telnet0L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1001011206420001@user-2iveafl.dialup.mindspring.com>   Hi All,n  K    I need to enable virtual terminals to work with telnet connections undert3 UCX.  I seem to be missing part of the incantation.u   $ ucx 
 UCX> show verv  @   Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 3;   on a Digital Personal WorkStation  running OpenVMS V7.1-25     $ show term D Terminal: _TNA1:      Device_Type: VT100         Owner: DEININGER.3AA                                               Username: DEININGER-3 Remote Port Info: Host: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Port: yyyy6  B    Input:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None0    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   50   Terminal Characteristics:iE    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape ?    Hostsync           TTsync             Lowercase          TabaG    Wrap               Scope              No Remote          No EightbitlC    Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            FulldupIB    No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        HangupE    No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speedEG    No Commsync        Line Editing       Insert editing     No FallbackrF    No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No Pasthru6                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^K    No Syspassword     No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters No Printer Port I    Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           No Regis           No Block_modenG    Advanced_video     No Edit_mode       DEC_CRT            No DEC_CRT2uI    No DEC_CRT3        No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        No Ansi_Colora    VMS Style Input   $ sho dev/full vta0w  H Terminal VTA0:, device type unknown, is offline, record-oriented device,     carriage control.-  O     Error count                    0    Operations completed                  0xO     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]$O     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot              S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,WeO     Reference count                0    Default buffer size                  80e   $ x=f$getsyi("tty_defchar2") $ show symbol xn2   X = 135178   Hex = 0002100A  Octal = 00000410012   I have the "disconnect" bit set in the TTY_DEFCHAR2 system parameter, as shown. UCX does not honor the setting.  VTAO is connected during boot, in SYCONFIG.COM.m There must be something I have to tell UCX, but I can't find anything in the manuals about virtual terminals.e   In the SAME cluster, with the same MODPARAMS.DAT and the same SYCONFIG.COM,  vaxes and an alpha that are running Multinet work fine with virtual terminals.d  + Is this just something that UCX can't do?  d   Thanks for any advice.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:25:22 GMTr= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)d5 Subject: Re: Help with virtual terminals / UCX telnet-0 Message-ID: <009F5E88.DDC4ACEE@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <rdeininger-1001011206420001@user-2iveafl.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:o >Hi All, >tL >   I need to enable virtual terminals to work with telnet connections under4 >UCX.  I seem to be missing part of the incantation. >a >$ ucx >UCX> show ver >pA >  Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 3w< >  on a Digital Personal WorkStation  running OpenVMS V7.1-2 >> >  >$ show termE >Terminal: _TNA1:      Device_Type: VT100         Owner: DEININGER.3A B >                                              Username: DEININGER4 >Remote Port Info: Host: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Port: yyyy >bC >   Input:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: Nonee1 >   Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   50h >  >Terminal Characteristics:F >   Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape@ >   Hostsync           TTsync             Lowercase          TabH >   Wrap               Scope              No Remote          No EightbitD >   Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            FulldupC >   No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        HangupiF >   No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speedH >   No Commsync        Line Editing       Insert editing     No FallbackG >   No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No Pasthrua7 >                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^dL >   No Syspassword     No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters No Printer PortJ >   Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           No Regis           No Block_modeH >   Advanced_video     No Edit_mode       DEC_CRT            No DEC_CRT2J >   No DEC_CRT3        No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        No Ansi_Color >   VMS Style Inputa >0 >$ sho dev/full vta0 >SI >Terminal VTA0:, device type unknown, is offline, record-oriented device,A >    carriage control. >hP >    Error count                    0    Operations completed                  0P >    Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]P >    Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot              S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,WP >    Reference count                0    Default buffer size                  80 >  >$ x=f$getsyi("tty_defchar2")  >$ show symbol x3 >  X = 135178   Hex = 0002100A  Octal = 00000410012p >, >I have the "disconnect" bit set in the TTY_DEFCHAR2 system parameter, as shown. UCX does not honor the setting.  VTAO is connected during boot, in SYCONFIG.COM..n >There must be something I have to tell UCX, but I can't find anything in the manuals about virtual terminals. >  >In the SAME cluster, with the same MODPARAMS.DAT and the same SYCONFIG.COM,  vaxes and an alpha that are running Multinet work fine with virtual terminals. >-, >Is this just something that UCX can't do?   >- >Thanks for any advice.I >S >--  >Robert Deiningerd >rdeininger@mindspring.com    9 $ UCX SET COMMUNICATIONS/REMOTE_TERMINAL=VIRTUAL_TERMINALr   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMg            $O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:30:47 -0500n2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)5 Subject: Re: Help with virtual terminals / UCX telnetaL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1001011230480001@user-2iveafl.dialup.mindspring.com>  O In article <009F5E88.DDC4ACEE@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:a     > ; > $ UCX SET COMMUNICATIONS/REMOTE_TERMINAL=VIRTUAL_TERMINALC  @ Thank you!  How the heck did I miss that in the manuals?!?  Duh!   -- g Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coms   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:52:00 GMTE$ From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark)' Subject: How To Profile an application? / Message-ID: <3a5c768e.20840396@news.force9.net>    Hi,x  B I need to profile an application in order to improve its executionC speed.  The code is written in C/C++.  Is there any instrumentationsA options which can be used with the Compaq compilers?  If not, can - anyone suggest another way of achieving this?-   TIA-  
 Mark Williams-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:57:09 -0700e% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> + Subject: Re: How To Profile an application?-A Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010110075651.031b8618@ntbsod.psccos.com>-  I PCA (Performance and Coverage Analyzer) will do it.  It's part of DECset.-  " At 07:52 AM 1/10/2001, Mark wrote: >Hi, >1C >I need to profile an application in order to improve its executionuD >speed.  The code is written in C/C++.  Is there any instrumentationB >options which can be used with the Compaq compilers?  If not, can. >anyone suggest another way of achieving this? >g >TIA >i >Mark Williams   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+rI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |mI | Principal Engineer            |  "Those are my principles. If you     |tI | Process Software              |   don't like them I have others."     |WI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |II +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+I   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jan 2001 16:13:17 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: How To Profile an application?i6 Message-ID: <93i1mt$ol4$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  V In article <3a5c768e.20840396@news.force9.net>, mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark) writes:C :I need to profile an application in order to improve its executioniD :speed.  The code is written in C/C++.  Is there any instrumentationB :options which can be used with the Compaq compilers?  If not, can. :anyone suggest another way of achieving this?  J   The Performance and Coverage Analyzer (PCA) -- part of DECset -- is one H   of the most typical and common approaches here.  The IPROBE tool, the F   CPI (aka CCPI, aka DCPI) tool (port in progress), or other sampling B   would be another approach -- these are instruction-level probes.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:32:39 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>AY Subject: Re: HW/SW for Chip Fabs (was: Compaq: A simple,affordable cluster ingsolution) s 8 Message-ID: <bnho5tgi44bqh5drhj00ake5pp39cucgs3@4ax.com>  1 On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:34:44 -0600, "Main, Kerry"h <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:    M >When these vendors started down the "lets move our application to Window NT"sI >about two years ago, they were thinking the following would be availablea= >today to meet these high availability, high IO environments:d >- Win64 will be available >- IA64 will be available-" >- Alpha NT will be running Win64  >- IA64 will be running Win64eH >- load balanced clusters (not simple fail-over) will be available on NTK >similar to what Customers were running at the time they made the decision.0 >1L >Notice anything wrong with this picture that might concern both the vendors# >and their Customers in this space?r  @ Yes, Compaq mislead them as one vendor put it to me. Never, everF forget the Compaq porting web page which said: "We'll give you $$$$ of# Compaq's money to port to Alpha/NT"c   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:34:37 +0000c% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>oY Subject: Re: HW/SW for Chip Fabs (was: Compaq: A simple,affordable cluster ingsolution) s-8 Message-ID: <c4io5tgh8i3i1qsjnei4cf7bn16me0hl53@4ax.com>  E On 10 Jan 2001 03:22:04 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  wrote:  . >"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes: > . >> Interesting stuff happening in this arena.  >> -O >> When these vendors started down the "lets move our application to Window NT" K >> about two years ago, they were thinking the following would be availabler? >> today to meet these high availability, high IO environments:  >> - Win64 will be available >> - IA64 will be available $ >> - Alpha NT will be running Win64  >> - IA64 will be running Win64 J >> - load balanced clusters (not simple fail-over) will be available on NTM >> similar to what Customers were running at the time they made the decision.  >> 1N >> Notice anything wrong with this picture that might concern both the vendors% >> and their Customers in this space?p >eC >Yep. There is an unstated assuption that the vapour ware list willrD >cause them to re-assess thir move. All that will happen is a truck-B >load of CYA andbadmouthing VMS so as to make the situation appear >better than it is.   E And yet more products that were once only available on VMS, now beinge" available primarily on Sun and HP.   >Been there, watched that...   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 08:12:36 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: LN08 info+ Message-ID: <38M4uxOunIWX@eisner.decus.org>i  i In article <5.0.2.1.2.20010109170159.00aaf258@ntbsod.psccos.com>, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes:dE > Anybody got any info on an LN08 printer (aka "DEClaser 3200"), likeu; > speed, capacity, interfaces, etc?  Can this be networked?  >   E IIRC its somewhere in the 8 to 12 PPM range (maybe 20).  Interface isrE serial, ours hangs off an old DEC terminal server via LAT.  We've got'! the baud rate cranked up to 19.2K   @ Used to have some hung off little LPR server boxes via Multinet.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationt= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupiE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingo   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:54:35 -0500 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> Subject: Re: LN08 infoC Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-18F42F.09543510012001@news.compaq.com>r  F In article <5.0.2.1.2.20010109170159.00aaf258@ntbsod.psccos.com>, Dan " O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote:  E > Anybody got any info on an LN08 printer (aka "DEClaser 3200"), likel; > speed, capacity, interfaces, etc?  Can this be networked?s  B This is part of the original Sales Update article introducing the D DEClaser 3200 in October 1991.  This is also probably more than you  wanted to know.  ;-)  D You can put this printer on a network by attaching it to a terminal ? server or adding an external print server on the parallel port.b   Paul    = The DEClaser 3200/3250, Newest Members of the DEClaser Familyp  
 HIGHLIGHTS  9 o  13 ppm Tabletop Laser Printers with DEC PPL3/Sixel andiI    Hewlett-Packard LaserJet IID (HP-PCL 4) protocols standard in both the     DEClaser 3200 and 3250a  A o  Complement the DEClaser 1000 (4 ppm) and DEClaser 2000 (8 ppm)   5 o  Duplex printing capability standard in both models   ? o  Customer installable Adobe PostScript compatible upgrade kit-F    available for DEClaser 3200 models with 43 resident fonts including"    Apple LaserWriter compatibility  A o  Optional paper handling devices provide both high-capacity and,    flexible media choicesj  G o  Lowest cost per page in the industry for 11-15 ppm performance range,   PRODUCT DESCRIPTION0  G The DEClaser 3200/3250 are positioned between the PrintServer 20 on thecE high end and DEClaser 2000 on the lower end. The intent is to enhancewD Digital's family of laser printers with a product that satisfies theH shared usage requirements in the 11-15 page per minute range, and offers% a competitive cost/performance ratio.u  @ The DEClaser 3200/3250 (the 3250 being the PostScript model) areD non-impact, electro-photographic printers with duplexing capability.H They print at 13 pages per minute in simplex mode and 11 impressions perF minute in duplex mode, with a resolution of 300 x 300 dpi, and a print line of 8 inches.   H The DEClaser 3200 has resident DEC PPL3 (Digital ANSI-compliant Printer G Protocol Level 3) with functionality as defined by the Printer Systems TI Reference Manual (PSRM) (DEC STD 074). LaserJet IID emulation (PCL 4) is 9G also resident on the controller and is standard with all models.  There D is also a customer installable PostScript emulation option that willG support Adobe Type 1 fonts.  PostScript functionality complies with the,D Adobe "Red Book" and the extensions delineated in DEC Std 87-2.  TheB interpreter is compatible with Adobe's PostScript page descriptionD language and includes 43 resident fonts including, Apple LaserWriter compatibility.   COMPETITIVE COMPARISON  C               DEClaser 3200/3250      Talaris 1590       HP LJIIISiw  ? Rated Engine     13 (S)               15 (S)             17 (S)a? Speed (PPM)      11 (D)               N/A (D)            15 (D)t  D Engine           Fuji/Xerox           Ricoh 4150         Canon P-170  ? Duty Cycle       35,000               20,000             50,000r (PPM)-  B PostScript       Y (Xerox)            Y (Cust. Appl.)    Y (Adobe)  2 Pricing          Duplex Std.          Simplex onlyH Base Printer     $4,799               $8,200             $ 5,495 SimplexG                                                          $ 6,190 DuplexIH PostScript       $6,299               $11,000            $ 6,595 SimplexG                  $6,749(w/CPS)                           $ 7,620 Duplex   = FRS Date         10/91                9/87               3/91-  @ Communication    RS423 Ser./          SCSI,RS232         Serial/A Interfaces       Cent par.            Cent par.,         Parallel F                  RS232 Compat.        RS422              Hi-speed opt.  > Emulations/      DEC PPL3(LN03)       Diablo 630         PCL-5C Protocol         PostScript           LN03S, HP LJet,    PostScript 4                  PCL4                 Tek. 4010/4014   PRICING/ORDERING INFORMATION  C The DEClaser 3250 (PostScript model) is offered with and without a   license ? for DECprint Printing Services for VMS, V4.1. These models are   designated cI with the ordering numbers LN08R (with VMS software license) or LN08U (no R software license).  O Model No.           Description                    U.S. List                      : LN08-CA     13PPM SIMPLEX/DUPLEX PTR USA/CAN        $4,799: LN08-AZ     13PPM SIMPLEX/DUPLEX PTR AUS/NZL         4,899  : LN08R-CA    13PPM SIM/DUP PS PTR+S/W LIC,USA/CAN    $6,879: LN08R-AZ    13PPM SIM/DUP PS PTR+S/W LIC, AUS/NZL    6,979  : LN08U-CA    13PPM SIM/UP PS PTR, USA/CAN            $6,299: LN08U-AZ    13PPM SIM/UP PS PTR, AUS/NZL             6,399  . Options and Accessories for DEClaser 3200/3250  > Model No.   Description                              U.S. List  > LN08X-AA    Toner Kit                                     $ 99> LN08X-AB    Photoreceptor Kit                              179> LN08X-AC    Developer Kit                                  215  > LN08X-CA    C.G. Times Font Cartridge                     $299> LN08X-CB    C.G. Triumvirate Font Cartridge                299> LN08X-CC    ITC Souvenir,Embassy Script Font Ctrdg         299> LN08X-CD    Monospaced Fonts Font Cartridge                299  > LN08X-TA    A4 Size Paper Input Tray                      $ 79> LN08X-TB    Legal Size Paper Tray                           79> LN08X-TC    Letter Size Paper Tray                          79> LN08X-TD    Adjustable Size Paper Tray                      79> LN08X-TF    Large Capacity Letter Size Paper Feeder        999> LN08X-TG    Large Capacity A4 Size Paper Feeder            999  > LN08X-UC    2 MB RAM Upgrade                            $  349> LNO8U-UA    PostScript Upgrade Kit                       1,750> LN08R-UA    PostScript Upgrade Kit + S/W Lic.            2,330> LAXXS-AE    Laser Table 45" x 22"                          279  > H8673-AA    20mA active host mate-n-lock to                $793             EIA-423 DECconnect MMJ pasive converter   > H8673-AB    20mA active host RJ11 (6pin) to                $794             EIA-423 DECconnect MMJ passive Converter  > BC19M-10    10-ft Centronics parallel cable for PC         $31             connection   -- e,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:15:31 +0100 (CET)g: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: locked fileI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101101309110.7589-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>a  & On 8 Jan 2001, Thomas Hahnemann wrote: [...]e2 +I can produce this behaviour by reinstall the lib1 +without stopping the processes they use it. Then7 +the file is opened twice.  9  Even if was not "reopened" (means: no new mapping of theI
 library) ?  ) +                       After terminationU, +of the processes it is still openend once.   7  Looks like a bug... May be interesting: is "something"l0 listen with INSTALL LIST/GLOBAL in the last part ("delete pending...") ?    +How can I close it ?r1 +Now I've tried to delete it after that reinstall / +experiment. sh dev /file still shows an openedo3 +file with a high version number, but delete seems  , +successful, I'can't find the file nowhere.   2  If the "open" is read only - file can be deleted.,  Has you (after the delete) check effect of:- ANAL/DISK/REPAIR ? I may be wrong - ANAL/DISKo0 can properly :] skip messages after files marked4 delete/temporary; then the only way to check how the8 file was really marked is a crash and ANAL/DISK after ;>  (  To be sure: you don't run in cluster ??   [...]o +Regards    Also - Gotfryd    --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================C   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 13:18:26 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>e Subject: Re: locked fileH Message-ID: <y4snmrha7h.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  N INSTALL lets you deinstall an image, and the corresponding image sections willI be marked for deletion by subtracting one from the access count. However,sL while all the other infrastructure has gone away, the file is still open andH the section(s) mapped as long as any process on the system is using thisM section. If you shutdown or crash the system before that process or processes  exit, a lost file will result.  G There is no implemented way to find the process(es) that still have theUL section(s) mapped. You would have to walk the PSECT table in every process'sH header to find out. Not easy-to-write kernel mode code, and it has to beL distributed as well (other members of the cluster might have the file mapped	 as well).M   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:53:32 GMTr$ From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark)) Subject: Memory leak/corruption detection / Message-ID: <3a5c7716.20976422@news.force9.net>e   Hi,d  F Are there any memory leak/corruption detection tools available for VMSA applications?  We are developing an application in C/C++ and need  to check for memory problems.o   TIA   
 Mark Williamsy   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:01:05 -0500 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>a- Subject: Re: Memory leak/corruption detectioni/ Message-ID: <t5p1ragbktib0a@news.supernews.com>:  1 "Mark" <mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk> wrote in messageg) news:3a5c7716.20976422@news.force9.net...e > Hi,l >mH > Are there any memory leak/corruption detection tools available for VMSC > applications?  We are developing an application in C/C++ and needE > to check for memory problems.  >!  / Take a look at CMEM on the OpenVMS Freeware CD.u   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jan 2001 16:24:49 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: Memory leak/corruption detection)6 Message-ID: <93i2ch$ol4$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  V In article <3a5c7716.20976422@news.force9.net>, mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark) writes:G :Are there any memory leak/corruption detection tools available for VMS B :applications?  We are developing an application in C/C++ and need :to check for memory problems.  J   This topic probably should find its way into the OpenVMS FAQ, but memoryH   management tools, memory management calls, and related debugging toolsG   discussions are regular fare over in the OpenVMS Ask The Wizard area. K   www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/.  Keywords to search for include "malloc" rL   and "Heap Analyzer", and topics include (2624), (3115), (5640) and others L   cover this, and also see (1661) and (2681) for some of the usual mistakes.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2001 00:38:22 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: Memory leak/corruption detection-0 Message-ID: <87bstficqp.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  & mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark) writes:   Answer to both posts..."  H > Are there any memory leak/corruption detection tools available for VMSC > applications?  We are developing an application in C/C++ and need  > to check for memory problems.   @ There is a heap analyser, it's in the help files somewhere. Uses% the instrumented versions of the RTL.-  K PCA is pretty good. Find the modules that hurt, and compile them with theirsJ caller as a zero brainer first try. Let the compilers do the work. DECC is: pretty good. IMO, the best optimization for C++ is a rock.     -- 2< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:38:51 +0100e( From: "John Apps" <john.apps@compaq.com>$ Subject: Re: Microsoft Message Queue* Message-ID: <93hom4$dtp@usenet.pa.dec.com>  K Could you provide a little more detail on what is wanted here, as there arenF a number of possibilities, depending on the requirements: synchronous,A asynchronous, guaranteed delivery, fail-over, load balancing, ...e   --L This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individualL to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those ofJ the author and do not necessarily represent those of Compaq Computer GmbH.H If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have receivedJ this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing,0 or copying of this email is strictly prohibited.  D "Andrew Jones" <andrew.jones@atosorigin.com.nospam> wrote in messageL news:0E16861EE7BCD111BE9400805FE6841F13CEBFC4@c1s5x001.cor.srvfarm.origin-it .com...g > Hi,l< > Is there an OpenVMS equivalent to Microsoft Message Queue? >yE > I think the requirement is for an OpenVMS app to access a SQLserverv database > on an NT box...  >n > Cheers >- > Aj >l >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 04:50:15 -0500a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: MOUNT /NOWRITEeL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1001010450150001@user-2ive6lu.dialup.mindspring.com>  ` In article <3A5BECB9.A612DD08@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote:   > $ MOUNT device label /NOWRITEa > J > seems to be (semi-)permanent.  Dismount and attempt to do a mount /WRITEH > and it comes back still software write locked.  Any idea how it can beJ > undone?  The HELP seems to indicate the /WRITE should be enough.  ShouldI > mention it was also dismounted and mounted /NOWRITE cluster-wide beforeg > the wrinkle was observed.i     Which OS version?6  K I just installed a blizzard of ECOs on 7.1-2 (alpha).  Your problem sort ofnF reminds me of something mentioned in one of the ECO write-ups.  If I'm remembering right...  I Check the .README files for patches for your version of VMS.  I think yous! will find something to cure this.    -- o Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.como   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 19:36:15 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: MOUNT /NOWRITEa0 Message-ID: <878zojljv4.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  1 Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes:r   > $ MOUNT device label /NOWRITEa > J > seems to be (semi-)permanent.  Dismount and attempt to do a mount /WRITEH > and it comes back still software write locked.  Any idea how it can beJ > undone?  The HELP seems to indicate the /WRITE should be enough.  ShouldI > mention it was also dismounted and mounted /NOWRITE cluster-wide before  > the wrinkle was observed.h  ( It is not still mounted on another node?  ? I tried mounting a disk /nowrite on one node, write on another. > Was wondering if it could be used to add security to a machine> exposed to the net. No go. It would no allow it. I was testing' WASD as the time as a matter of fact ;)-   -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.0@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:08:38 -0500 # From: keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com,& Subject: OpenVMS "reply/to" challenge.? Message-ID: <OFFA10A723.2150223D-ON852569D0.003B5048@us.pw.com>o  E I've searched the OpenVMS FAQ and couldn't find any reference to thisEH issue.   We're running a variety of Microvaxes and some VAX 7000s all onJ OpenVMS 5.5-2H4.  We would like to know if there was a way to capture textJ returned with a "reply/to" that could be used, say, to define a logical by the waiting "request"? For example:   ___Process A___ ( $ request/reply "pls enter device name."8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  10-JAN-2001 05:55:07.89  %%%%%%%%%%%% Request 5, from user SYSTEM on SYSBCK-% _SYSBCK$NTY27:, pls enter device namee  E %OPCOM-S-OPRNOTIF, operator has been notified, waiting... 05:55:07.90a   ___Process B___: $  reply/to=5 "mua500:"p mua500:e? 05:57:32.16, request 5 was completed by operator _SYSBCK$NTY33:.   ___Process A___0   (something like) $ define/system tape mua500:@ - or do something useful with the supplied information, mua500:.   I'd like to be able to do this without groping through the incredibly large operator.log file.  Also, is there a efficient way to redirect OPCOM messages originatingH from multiple hosts and funnel them to one specified host console or PC?  ' Thank you for any help you can provide.w   Keith Kepner keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.comd kkepner@tampabay.rr.comr@ ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privilegedI material.  Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited.   If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any 	 computer.    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jan 2001 15:11:06 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: OpenVMS "reply/to" challenge.6 Message-ID: <93hu2a$np6$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  e In article <OFFA10A723.2150223D-ON852569D0.003B5048@us.pw.com>, keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com writes:SF :I've searched the OpenVMS FAQ and couldn't find any reference to thisI :issue.   We're running a variety of Microvaxes and some VAX 7000s all ontK :OpenVMS 5.5-2H4.  We would like to know if there was a way to capture text K :returned with a "reply/to" that could be used, say, to define a logical by  :the waiting "request"?   C   Short of using a broadcast mailbox on a pseudo-terminal or other pC   similar programming to capture the message, no...  Some folks usepC   this technique, and some scan the files.  There is unfortunately pA   no DCL-level API for retrieving the responses, and (IMNSHO) an tA   incomplete operator communications API...  There have been somefC   informal discussions of creating a symbol behind REQUEST, butany SC   potential for such changes would involve implementation in a far  (   more recent release than OpenVMS V5...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:32:10 -0300e) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brp2 Subject: OpenVMS : solid but low profile - by CNETL Message-ID: <OF329EF926.C9E857CB-ON032569D0.00343C11@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Click   H http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4424459.html?tag=3Dst.ne.1002.bgif= .ni     - IBM=B4s AS-400 is too, but it runs SAP .....=p   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jan 2001 02:41 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)o6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS : solid but low profile - by CNET- Message-ID: <10JAN200102413135@gerg.tamu.edu>   - fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes...A }Click } I }http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4424459.html?tag=3Dst.ne.1002.bgif=  }..ni9 } . }IBM=B4s AS-400 is too, but it runs SAP .....=  G The article is also available via the Yahoo tech news, CNET section (ofo course).  A Oddly, it mentions VMS twice (and Tandem Himalaya, too) but never  mentions Tru64 Unix by name.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:38:03 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br/6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS : solid but low profile - by CNETL Message-ID: <OF90C847C0.AAF96FD6-ON032569D0.0039C100@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  % Probably they are powered by Sun .....  I In my country Oracle and SAP have a strong "affinity" with Sun, so it=B4=  s thePE motivation of high sales of E-10000 for SAP. The company I am workingL for bought 3 ! ! !  > The prices of Oracle RDB and Oracle for OpenVMS are highs, andH Oracle here dont have a staff to give support of  their products runnin= gi> under OVMS. They "suggest" migrate their databases  to Unix...  ? OpenVMS run the company systems for a long time, but in 2 yearsU* theses systems will be turned off ---> SAP  8 And I will look for some OpenVMS Opportunities too ! :-)   RegardsN   FC            8 carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) em 10/01/2001 06:41:00             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com4      6 Assunto: Re: OpenVMS : solid but low profile - by CNET    - fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes.../ }Click }9H }http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4424459.html?tag=3D3Dst.ne.1002.b= gif=3D }..niP }T2 }IBM=3DB4s AS-400 is too, but it runs SAP .....=3D  H The article is also available via the Yahoo tech news, CNET section (of=   course).  A Oddly, it mentions VMS twice (and Tandem Himalaya, too) but never9 mentions Tru64 Unix by name.   --- Carl         =    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:10:47 -0600 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> 6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS : solid but low profile - by CNET8 Message-ID: <93hq9m$l9l$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  6 I suggest sending this to richard.marcello@compaq.com.   He is the VP in charge of VMS.  % He should be interested in this news.    Dave...   6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OF90C847C0.AAF96FD6-ON032569D0.0039C100@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...  % Probably they are powered by Sun ....e  K In my country Oracle and SAP have a strong "affinity" with Sun, so its theeE motivation of high sales of E-10000 for SAP. The company I am working  for bought 3 ! ! !  > The prices of Oracle RDB and Oracle for OpenVMS are highs, andH Oracle here dont have a staff to give support of  their products running> under OVMS. They "suggest" migrate their databases  to Unix...  ? OpenVMS run the company systems for a long time, but in 2 years * theses systems will be turned off ---> SAP  8 And I will look for some OpenVMS Opportunities too ! :-)   Regardst   FC            8 carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) em 10/01/2001 06:41:00             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       6 Assunto: Re: OpenVMS : solid but low profile - by CNET    - fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes...i }Click }PI }http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4424459.html?tag=3Dst.ne.1002.bgif=- }..ni  }a. }IBM=B4s AS-400 is too, but it runs SAP .....=  G The article is also available via the Yahoo tech news, CNET section (of  course).  A Oddly, it mentions VMS twice (and Tandem Himalaya, too) but nevera mentions Tru64 Unix by name.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:34:58 +0000p% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>t" Subject: Re: OpenVMS opportunities8 Message-ID: <49eo5tsrhju1pn9s90eca3vcp5tva8ie63@4ax.com>  A On 9 Jan 2001 21:56 CST, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:     H >Personally, I think they are nuts to concentrate on just handsets. TheyK >should make base stations that you could mount in a car, boat, or aircraft.H >which would use comparatively short-range wireless links to one or moreN >handsets. Since your car or boat is rarely indoors, the "not useable indoors"G >problem goes away as long as your handset can connect with the stationwI >in the vehicle. This also eliminates the size problem they have with thee >current handset.   A Read a report somewhere (CNN?) that said that the USS Cole's onlyrC communication with the US after the explosion was via Iridium. AlsolD quoted the Pentagon as saying that there were some additional assetsB currently using Iridium in the field. Iridium's polar coverage was4 also said to be better than enything else available.  9 On top of this statistical analysis apparently revealed aED significantly non-zero probability of hitting someone on the head if+ that number of satellites were de-orbitted.      --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:56:02 -0700 + From: Linda Luik <p14175@email.sps.mot.com>n" Subject: Re: OpenVMS opportunities1 Message-ID: <3A5C7802.40010C6A@email.sps.mot.com>u  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------44870F7D9C0C913E8379710D* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7biti  D As far as I know it's all Unix based, err Maybe some Tandem Unix for redundancy and better up-time.E I have a few friends who worked on the project -- mostly on satellitedH communications hardware. EE's love radios! Most of them jumped ship when' Motorola put the business up for sale. y   Lindar   Carl Perkins wrote:s > 3 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes...m > }Chuck Chopp wrote:rL > }> Didn't the Iridium satellite network get scuttled when the company when > }> bankrupt? > }pO > }Got bought for a couple of millions by the US military. They get 20,000 freeeE > }phone usage, and Iridium can sell phones to the rest of the world.  > G > Not exactly. It got bought by a private company for some rediculously J > small amount ($75 million maybe?). But it was only able to do so becauseJ > of a contract they made with the US military which provides a big enoughI > chunk of revenue that they have some hope of keeping the system runningeG > long enough to get enough other customers to provide the needed levele > of income.& --------------44870F7D9C0C913E8379710D- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;e  name="p14175.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitr( Content-Description: Card for Linda Luik  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="p14175.vcf"   begin:vcard  n:Luik;Linda tel;pager:1.888.772.5230 tel;fax:480.655.3569 tel;work:480.655.4432  o x-mozilla-html:FALSE 	-mozilla-cpt:;3344;;;( org:Motorola  SPS ;IT-CIM maildrop: M555 version:2.1 & email;internet:linda.luik@motorola.com6 title:Regional VMS Systems Adminstrator/Backup Analyst5 adr;quoted-printable:;;2200 W. Broadway Road  =0D=0A=  fn:Luik, Linda	 end:vcard-  ( --------------44870F7D9C0C913E8379710D--   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jan 2001 16:21:01 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)B Subject: Re: Problem Logging Into DECWindows - LMF License Check??6 Message-ID: <93i25d$ol4$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Y In article <DwN66.16635$I5.309491@stones>, "Mark Lamond" <markl@markl.force9.net> writes: B :...OpenVMS (7.2), which i have just installed on my DEC 3000-600. :yK :When i boot the machine, it starts up with the graphical login, and i then K :login as system and enter my password as set during the install procedure.g :oM :However, i then get a message which says "LMF License chack has failed" - do , :you have any idea what could be wrong here?  J   You probably don't have the full set of licenses installed, you have oneI   or more licenses that are not loaded, or you have one or more licenses fH   that are not valid, or (if this is a cluster) you have not loaded all =   of your licenses into all of the license databases present.a  %   The usual set of core license PAKs:z       OpenVMS:*       OPENVMS-ALPHA and OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER     DECwindows:8       DW-MOTIF or NET-APP-SUP*     TCP/IP Services:       UCX or NET-APP-SUP*t     DECnet:-7       DVNETEND or DVNETRTG or DVNETEXT or NET-APP-SUP*.k  ?   Use @SYS$UPDATE:VMSLICENSE to register and load license PAKs. /   Use SHOW LICENSE to list the active licenses.o@   Use LICENSE LIST to list the contents of the license database.-   Use LICENSE LOAD to load licenses manually. 1   Use LICENSE UNLOAD to unload licenses manually.   B   Since you cannot log in, you will require a login on the consoleB   serial line (if you have set the console up for serial access inA   the firmware) or you will have to shut down and boot minimally,t?   and log in on the non-DECwindows console -- set STARTUP_P1 to C   "MIN" during a conversational bootstrap.  (Please see the OpenVMSCA   FAQ for some details on conversational bootstraps, and see the aD   OpenVMS manuals for full details of conversational bootstraps and (   registering and maintaining licenses.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 20:08:59 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>: Subject: Re: Random out-of-context "Ask the Wizard" quote.0 Message-ID: <87vgrnk3s4.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  h > In article <FrL66.182011$IP1.6618955@news1.giganews.com>, "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> writes:C > :"Compaq OpenVMS Engineering is aware of and is looking at SOAP."l > ..= > :Does this mean OpenVMS Engineering is going to improve thee? > :"uptime" of Ivory Soap ? Or will we be seeing 99.999% "pure"o? > :clusters (compared to the not-so-pure Sun"spots" clusters )?i >  >   I'll let that slide... > & > :[  :-) for the humour impaired... ]   Hoff, you guys missed big time.e  9 How about a morphing image like Image Magiks splash, thats* morphs into the wiz standing on the sun...  ) That should bring out the humour impared.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 13:36:29 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>nG Subject: Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)sH Message-ID: <y4puhvh9de.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  J >   I have yet to sort out where this particular SYSVER version error was L >   introduced.  Work is continually occuring around increasing the process L >   automation, but it does sound like we are missing a test that should be M >   included -- I have an idea here, one that I can implement fairly easily, zH >   and that might catch this.  (I'll have to think about it, though...)  L The real to solution to such problems is not allow errors that humans easilyK make to occur in the first place. You bank account number does have a checkfL digit, does it not? In this case - I don't know the exaxct timing, but let'sN assume V7.1-2 was after V7.2-1 - the version introduced later should have beenN disambiguated, i.e., called V7.1-3 or somesuch. Maybe using letters is an evenB better idea, because the next clash would have been with V7.3-1...   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jan 2001 15:46:38 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)G Subject: Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)a6 Message-ID: <93i04u$o8d$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <y4puhvh9de.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes: ..M :The real to solution to such problems is not allow errors that humans easily L :make to occur in the first place. You bank account number does have a check :digit, does it not?...   G   A good idea, in isolation.  There are various other factors involved  H   in the version number incrementation-randomization algorithm, however.  G   (Why do I have visions of a version number parity error bugcheck? :-)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:16:09 -0500e  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comG Subject: Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)p4 Message-ID: <C22569D0.005898E8.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  I Remember that "bad" version numbers do not usually bring the system down,MO they merely keep it from being upgraded.  Don't you wish all this adminstrationtF stuff would get out of the way so the really good stuff could get more
 attention.        7 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam on 01/10/2001 10:46:38 AMd  / Please respond to hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam:   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comf cc:sH Subject:  Re: Version dyslexia (was: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS712_SYS-V0200--4)          L In article <y4puhvh9de.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, JanE Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:p ..M :The real to solution to such problems is not allow errors that humans easilyeL :make to occur in the first place. You bank account number does have a check :digit, does it not?...   F   A good idea, in isolation.  There are various other factors involvedH   in the version number incrementation-randomization algorithm, however.  G   (Why do I have visions of a version number parity error bugcheck? :-)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:07:25 -0600 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>c$ Subject: VMS ftp patch site problem?8 Message-ID: <93hq3c$l9k$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  5 Anyone else notice nothing new here since 5-DEC-2000?r  <     http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml  8 If this "isn't the place" for VMS patches, then what is?  G And yes, I've sent a note about this somewhere in the "tell us what you-G think" place, but me thinks that wormhole is plugged up somewhere.  ;-)a   Dave...s   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:02:30 +0100 (CET)2: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>! Subject: Re: Wizard Disappears!!!pI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101101401070.7589-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>F   On 9 Jan 2001, Rob Young wrote:t  0 +http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/index.html + B +	Yes.. it is true.  The Wizard is gone and has been replaced with# +	what looks like a carnival prize.   1 ...with the "proper" TimeToLoad :> 232 kB... :( !t    Regards - Gotfryd   -- wE =====================================================================tF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEt. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================S   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2001 20:05:56 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>? Subject: Re: [Q] Which model Exabyte in TKZ09 and TKZ15 drives?d0 Message-ID: <87zogzk3x7.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  V Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:  J >     that  is...   I'm  going to attempt to get an 8500 stuffed into thisJ >     SSB in hopes the HSC will be a  little more "tolerant" than it is of >     the 8505.  Sigh...  @ I was about to coment that I got a HSC95 for free. The other guy= got the 8505. But I've just remembered that it had a STI-SCSID  converter in it, not k.scsi's :(  < You may need the 'right' FW for the 8505. I seem to remember> people muttering about 'issues' with 8505s for a month or two.  9 Colorado no help? Are there any Cronic people left there?0   -- 0< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.-@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.020 ************************