0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 13 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 25      Contents:( 7820 w/CI based disks and tapes for sale4 Re: Accessing two separate LANs simultaneously, HOW?  Alpha OVMS 7.2.1 Backup and TZ88$ Re: Alpha OVMS 7.2.1 Backup and TZ884 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution3 Re: DCPS printer support (was RE: LN06 replacement)  Re: Dec 3000 300 help (humour) DECwindows: tailor or install ? # Re: DECwindows: tailor or install ? 3 Re: eBay extended downtime (was Re: eBay SPAMARAMA) 3 Re: eBay extended downtime (was Re: eBay SPAMARAMA) 
 Emulate THIS!  Re: Emulate THIS! * Re: Faster gzip, thank you Paul Repacholi!* Re: Faster gzip, thank you Paul Repacholi!" help needed connecting to lat port& Re: help needed connecting to lat port& Re: help needed connecting to lat portC Hobby VMS - was Re: eBay extended downtime (was Re: eBay SPAMARAMA)  Re: Identify que entry # Re: Identify que entry # Re: Identify que entry #& Listerner Port for a GESTETNER printer Re: Loads of Alphas (700+)... . Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped set. Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped set. Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped set. Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped set. Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped set. Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped set Re: mntverifytimeout Re: mntverifytimeout Re: mntverifytimeout$ Re: Modifications to directory filesD NTP can be primary on OpenVMS - was Re: Kitchen sink. ( not emacs! )H Re: NTP can be primary on OpenVMS - was Re: Kitchen sink. ( not emacs! ) Re: OpenVMS on CNET  Re: OpenVMS on CNET 3 Re: Oracle and OpenVMS - Oops, I did it again ! ! ! 3 Re: Oracle and OpenVMS - Oops, I did it again ! ! ! 3 Re: Oracle and OpenVMS - Oops, I did it again ! ! ! 3 Re: Oracle and OpenVMS - Oops, I did it again ! ! !  Pathworks/Multinet performance  Re: Positive Gartner VMS article% Re: powerchute for VMS AXP don't work % Re: powerchute for VMS AXP don't work % Re: powerchute for VMS AXP don't work % Re: powerchute for VMS AXP don't work  Re: Retired Oldtimer Re: Retired Oldtimer> Re: SPDs, digital.com (was Re: Transaction Server for OpenVMS) Re: tcpiptrace" Re: Transaction Server for OpenVMSP Re: TTDRIVER multi-line editing (was Re: VMS wishlist [was Re: Identify que entr& Re: uVAX 3100 model80/90 hardware info& Re: uVAX 3100 model80/90 hardware info3 Re: Virus scanning on VMS (was Re: OpenVMS on CNET)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:30:21 GMT - From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com> 1 Subject: 7820 w/CI based disks and tapes for sale > Message-ID: <1AL76.210861$hD4.53389404@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>   All,  I I have a 7820 with redundant MTI Stingray II disk controllers, with about L 140 Gig in 5 shelves of disk space, 2 8mm tape drives and 2 DLT drives.  All, of this is connected via a Star Coupler (CI)  J I also have an extra 7610 CPU,  HSC70, SA900 with 26 RA72 drives, MicroVAX 3600  L I just replace these with Alphas and am looking to get some money in return.- I'm hoping someone can put these to good use!   ' Below are part numbers and descriptions    Anyone interested?  * If so, please DO NOT REPLY, rather e-mail: dave.pampreen@us.add.gknplc.com    Thanks,  Dave   VAX 7820   VAX 7820
 Model H9F00AA  S/N: GA24743248 ) Firmware Revisions: V4.1-4819 / V4.2-4835  Memory:   512 Meg +  128 Meg   	 Extra CPU  7610 CPU - Part E2045-AA    " SC008-AB Star Coupler REV A ECO641
 P/N: 70-18771  S/N: FXA3689 / FXA3709   HSC70-AA S/N: CX950F0561   
 CI Disk Array 	 HSC70 -AA  SA900-XA 26 x RA72-AF    I Stingray I with 2 x 8mm tape drives, 2 x 20/40 DLT Drives with CI adapter    MTI Disk/Tape Array:# Stingray I Disk Controller  SCU92-2  SN: 1011327-004  PN: 570253-002  & 2 x 8mm Tape Drives with internal SMUX P/N: Infinity 1400SR A07012-0  S/N: 1013032-000   SMUX with Tapes Drives P/N: 570606-001  S/N: L10007   # DLT Drive Rack w/2 DLT 20/40 drives  P/N: MT25MFR S/N: 1060742-000 (rack)  S/N: CX650M2734 (DLT #1) S/N: CX649M2444 (DLT #2)  5 Dual Stingray II with 35 disks drives with CI adapter    2 x Stingray II Disk Controller  S/N: L10007  P/N: SCU97-0  
 MTI Disks:L 5 x Disk Shelves with 2 SMUX each (for dual porting) holding 35 of 42 drives+ 42 Drives:  11 x 4.0G  24 x 2.0G   7 x 9.0G       
 MicroVAX 3600  TK70 KDA50  M7165-00  KDA50  M7164-00  LPV11-SAM8086-YA KLESI-SM M7740-PA  TQK70  M7559-00  DELQA-SA  M7516-PA 4 x MS650-AA  M7621-A  KA650-AA  M7620-AA RA82 H76690C    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2001 14:50:40 PSTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)= Subject: Re: Accessing two separate LANs simultaneously, HOW? 3 Message-ID: <5kbiCJHYmbGR@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   . In article <93lvlh$b60$1@jair.pressenter.com>,8     	lbartels@pressenter.com (Lyndon F. Bartels) writes: [...] I > I wish to configure DECnet so that, at best, I can connect to a node no I > matter what LAN segment that node is present on.  If that is not easily I > possible, than I'd settle for DECnet connectivity to the Production LAN M > only.  By turning the disabling the DECnet circuit I could eliminate DECnet  > access to one LAN segment.  H         DECNET IV on Alphas  is  kind'a  funny.   Given the two LANs areH     isolated,   you  _may_  configure  DECNET  LINEs/CIRCUITs  on   bothH     interfaces.  But there is no "Routing IV" license for Alphas, so youH     can only use one circuit at a time!  [Discovered this in a most non-1     obvious way on our first AlphaServer 4100...]   H         You can control _which_ circuit  will  be used by setting a COSTH     associated  with  each of the two circuits: the lower  cost  circuitH     will be the active circuit.  However,  without  the  presence  of  aH     Phase  IV  router between the two LANs (either as VAX with a ROugingH     IV license or a  network  router  that  routes DECNET), you won't be8     able to talk DECNET to both LANs at the same time...   [...] H > So my questions are: Has anyone done anything like this?  Any caveats,K > gotchas, pearls of wisdom?  How would I best configure DECnet and TCP/IP?   H         The IP side ought to be  easier  to  handle.  From what you saidH     (elided),  it  _looks_ like the two LANs are separate  subnets.   IfH     not, make it so!  But if you have a host  "FRED"  on  both  subnets,H     you'll  have  to  use the IIP address rather than the domain name toH     reach the one on the  development  LAN (or create another sub-domain     for the devlopment LAN).  H         Let me add that DECNET-Plus doing DECNET-over-IP works very wellH     and allows you to  use  both  networks  interfaces  at the same timeH     (subject  to  a  few caveats).  It will also allow you to  talk  NSPH     (Phase IV) out both interfaces, IIRC, although  I  haven't  actually     _tried_ that...            -Ken --M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:29:55 +0100 9 From: "Michel Herrscher Consultant" <michel@herrscher.fr> ) Subject: Alpha OVMS 7.2.1 Backup and TZ88 $ Message-ID: <93nss6$m1$1@wanadoo.fr>  0 Config : Alpha OVMS 7.2.1 TZ88 on a DS10 466 Mhz  5 OUAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH ( from my older MicroVax 3100/95 )   = I just have a couple question ( I agree I am lazy today ;-)))   J 1) What is the qualifier that allow VMS backup to use the TZ88 compression ,(and/or density)?  M 2) I just got DLTIV tapes (40/70MB) but it seems that the unit can just store O 20Mb (said by theLED) plus compression ( 35-40 MB says my reseller). Where am I  wrong?   Thanks for your help.  -- Michel HERRSCHER mhc@herrscher.fr7 Tl : +33 (0)450 870 912       Fax : +33 (0)450 871 741  Gsm : +33 (0)609 044 711   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 03:41:37 +0100 + From: "Fred A G" <nospam@allowed.localhost> - Subject: Re: Alpha OVMS 7.2.1 Backup and TZ88 5 Message-ID: <TgP76.2067$K12.6370@nntpserver.swip.net>   D "Michel Herrscher Consultant" <michel@herrscher.fr> wrote in message news:93nss6$m1$1@wanadoo.fr...2 > Config : Alpha OVMS 7.2.1 TZ88 on a DS10 466 Mhz > 7 > OUAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH ( from my older MicroVax 3100/95 )  > ? > I just have a couple question ( I agree I am lazy today ;-)))  > @ > 1) What is the qualifier that allow VMS backup to use the TZ88 compression  > ,(and/or density)? > D > 2) I just got DLTIV tapes (40/70MB) but it seems that the unit can
 just storeF > 20Mb (said by theLED) plus compression ( 35-40 MB says my reseller).
 Where am I > wrong? >     D The DLT IV tapes should be fine. With the TZ88 they are 20/40GB (not+ MB!). Btw, is that really 40/70, not 40/80?    Hth  /Fad   > Thanks for your help.  > -- > Michel HERRSCHER > mhc@herrscher.fr9 > Tl : +33 (0)450 870 912       Fax : +33 (0)450 871 741  > Gsm : +33 (0)609 044 711 >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:30:47 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution , Message-ID: <3A5F5B60.A9FD2E82@videotron.ca>   Paul Repacholi wrote: D > Ah, like getting VMS to work on the Samsung UP1100 and UP2000 MBs,: > then getting Linux say working on them with Thuderbergs? > - > God presserve us from VMS on x86, please...   K Won't be long that the performance of the 8086 will be such that it will be P able to run an alpha chip emulator in a Windows 2000 window and in it, boot VMS.  K So there is no point in porting VMS to 8086.  Once you have only one or two O applicatiosn left on VMS, you can then afford to run them in an alpha emulator.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 02:43:09 GMT 3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution / Message-ID: <3A5FC013.CC19A6D9@cableinet.co.uk>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Paul Repacholi wrote: F > > Ah, like getting VMS to work on the Samsung UP1100 and UP2000 MBs,< > > then getting Linux say working on them with Thuderbergs? > > / > > God presserve us from VMS on x86, please...  > M > Won't be long that the performance of the 8086 will be such that it will be R > able to run an alpha chip emulator in a Windows 2000 window and in it, boot VMS. >    JF    F I have no illusions that the 1GHz PIII Dell I am writing this on would run A an app as reliably as the VAX 4100's and AS1000A's I am currently 
 working with, E day in, day out, and other VMS capable hardware I have worked with in 	 the past.   3 Can you say "Hardware Qualification". Say it again.    M > So there is no point in porting VMS to 8086.  Once you have only one or two Q > applicatiosn left on VMS, you can then afford to run them in an alpha emulator.   H OK, so maybe Compaq could sell an alpha emulator for Wintel with a cheap VMS licence C with no support for educational, training and non-realtime software  development,1 with absolutely no guarantees for data integrity.   F You still need real well engineered machines in the old-school Digital	 mould to  0 deploy those applications reliably. Support too.  F In the meantime people try to deploy with the "unsupported for mission criticalF app" Wintel version and end up in a worse mess than they did with WNT.  " Is this good for VMS's reputation?  D I say no, it is not. One of VMS's strength's is its I/O subsystem. I	 don't see C how that can be "emulated" well enough, with an Intel processor and 	 either M$ ) or unix, to make VMS viable in that form.    Regards    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:06:10 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution - Message-ID: <3A5FC622.19173E31@earthlink.net>    andrew harrison wrote: > [snip]7 > Don't you think that deeds speek rather more strongly 
 > than words.  > 	 > regards  > Andrew Harrison  > Enterprise IT Architect   ( Remember, folks: Andrew said it HIMSELF!   ...and you heard it here first!    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:54:50 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution , Message-ID: <3A5FD189.F564AACD@videotron.ca>   Tim Llewellyn wrote:H > You still need real well engineered machines in the old-school Digital; > mould to deploy those applications reliably. Support too.     L replace the word "need" with "wish" and I agree. But the sad reality is thatM since the vast majority of corporations are perfectly happy with NT and unix, L it seems that they can function quite well without that "old school Digital" (aka: quality).   K Would the world be better off if Compaq had marketed VMS and made it into a G politically acceptable and popular OS ? Yeah, sure. But Compaq chose to 9 relegate VMS to obscurity. So Unix and NT rule the world.   H > In the meantime people try to deploy with the "unsupported for missionQ > critical app" Wintel version and end up in a worse mess than they did with WNT.   K If NT were so bad, it would not have been adopted by the majority and large I corporations would have stopped plans to roll out new applications on NT.   L Lets face it, NT seems to be doing the job fine in many/most instances, evenM with all its faults and weakenesses.  And e-bay is still alive even if once a % month a system outage makes the news.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:15:40 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> < Subject: Re: DCPS printer support (was RE: LN06 replacement)- Message-ID: <3A5FC85C.483E0228@earthlink.net>    Paul Anderson wrote: > . > In article <93n9ro$opi@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,& > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu wrote: > ' > > MAKE SOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  > > H > > I can't name another platform with such limited printer support. AndD > > there's just no reason for it other than inertia. Compaq doesn'tH > > make printers anymore so there's no reason for your product to be so > > picky about printers.  > G > We're adding about two dozen printer models from Genicom, HP, Lexmark H > and Xerox (including Tektronix) in the next release.  This is a direct: > result of the fact that Compaq no longer sells printers. > H > There is a technical reason DCPS is picky about printers:  its design.H > DCPS now depends on bidirectional communication with a printer and itsH > data does not come from PPD files.  It is a SMOP to change DCPS to get@ > its data from PPD files.  It is a SMOP to change DCPS to use aH > unidirectional approach, although some features would be lost.  All ofF > this would take time and money, and a belief that the time and money" > spent would be worth the effort.  ? Perhaps the non-believers should spend some quality time on the B customer's side of the fence to nurture and propagate their faith.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2001 16:40:06 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)' Subject: Re: Dec 3000 300 help (humour)0+ Message-ID: <faRlPK5E$mLM@eisner.decus.org>   ` In article <93lvdd$bsi$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, dsf@frontiernet.net (Dan Foster) writes:- > In article <PiNoVqog3CgC@eisner.decus.org>,Z6 > Marty Kuhrt <kuhrt@eisner.lessspam.decus.org> wrote:? >>In article <nq376.5$Ea4.1300@ozemail.com.au>, "Antony Wardle"q- >><antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> writes: ) >>> How can I convince my wife that it isu' >>> completely necessary for me to haveN* >>> half a dozen pcs, a notebook, a couple, >>> of dead macs, a couple of vlcs, a couple! >>> of m3100s, and now the alpha?  >>< >>My wife is unreasonable like that, too.  She wouldn't let > >>me get a three-phase power feed to the house so that I could >>bring home a VAX 6640. > @ > I really, sincerely hope that you don't live in California :-) >  > -Dan  @ Actually, I do.  We're putting in a 4KV solar array with a 10KV > battery backup so we can survive up to three days off-grid in = completely overcast conditions.  If we have sun, which we do t# quite often, then we can go longer.d  ( Did go Green 'til the price got obscene, Martyp   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:28:39 -0500s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s( Subject: DECwindows: tailor or install ?, Message-ID: <3A5F76F9.9117D029@videotron.ca>  N I currently have an all mightly Microvax II (VELO)  and a MV3100 (Bike) , in aA heteregenous cluster (each has its system disk). Both are at 7.2.f  I On VELO, I had a sampling of DECW files manually installed to let the CDA N comverters function properly. But recently I moved some of the decw files fromR MV3100 (which has full decwindows) and started to get all sorts of ident mismatch.  N So I decided I should just install decwindows on the VELO so that I would haveJ a true base "7.2" system from both the system and decwindows point of view> with just the added CDA converters being of old 5.5-2 vintage.  K So, I ran the DECW$TAILOR utility and it seemed to run fine. However, I got 9 none of the DECW$TERMINAL_CREATE.EXE etc files installed.A  	 Question: K Must one use VMSINSTALL (or PRODUCT INSTALL) to first get DECWINDOWS on therH system and then use TAILOR utility to add/removed components ? Or should* TAILOR have added everything I specified ?E (I told it to install the whole kit and kaboodle (yes to everything).d   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 02:52:31 GMTe3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>r, Subject: Re: DECwindows: tailor or install ?/ Message-ID: <3A5FC23E.3C15A278@cableinet.co.uk>-   JF Mezei wrote:- > P > I currently have an all mightly Microvax II (VELO)  and a MV3100 (Bike) , in aC > heteregenous cluster (each has its system disk). Both are at 7.2.l > K > On VELO, I had a sampling of DECW files manually installed to let the CDAaP > comverters function properly. But recently I moved some of the decw files fromT > MV3100 (which has full decwindows) and started to get all sorts of ident mismatch. > P > So I decided I should just install decwindows on the VELO so that I would haveL > a true base "7.2" system from both the system and decwindows point of view@ > with just the added CDA converters being of old 5.5-2 vintage. > M > So, I ran the DECW$TAILOR utility and it seemed to run fine. However, I got,; > none of the DECW$TERMINAL_CREATE.EXE etc files installed.n >  > Question:sM > Must one use VMSINSTALL (or PRODUCT INSTALL) to first get DECWINDOWS on thevJ > system and then use TAILOR utility to add/removed components ? Or should, > TAILOR have added everything I specified ?G > (I told it to install the whole kit and kaboodle (yes to everything).    JF, my suggestion,  F (1) restore the backup you took of VELO before you moved files in from Bike, > after first taking a backup of any subsequent changes on VELO.  8 (2) Install Decwindows on VELO with appropriate options.  C (3) Merge in any changes from VELO after the backup you restored byn hand.0  G If you like to suck and see you could try omitting steps one and three. C I probably would in your situation, as long as you've got a backup./   Regards0   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:26:29 -0500g- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> < Subject: Re: eBay extended downtime (was Re: eBay SPAMARAMA), Message-ID: <3A5F5A5E.32F8692A@videotron.ca>  # Lets keep one thing is perspective:r  1 Ebay gets more transactions in a day than eTrade.   K I could run ebay in my microvax II, if I knew that I'd get one customer per , hour and I knew customers were very patient.    L However, ebay is the perfect example of missed opportunities because VMS was, purposefully shut out of the low end market.  L eBay has been scrambling to keep up with the demand and prevent disaster forL quite some time. Supposedly IBM offered free systems to them. Why would theyN refuse ? Probably because they have no time nor resources to do a migration to any other platform.c  N I suspect that any succesfull company these days is in the same scenario. OnceI you start to grow, the platform you adopted for your pilot project is thew" platform that is kept is is grown.  L VMS may be great to handle growth and scalability, but for as long as people) don't start with VMS, they won't use VMS.n  K You have to catch the companies while they are young if you want to see VMSAS grow. And that means making VMS attractive for pilot projects and small businesses.e  M Had VMS been available at the low end and seen as a serious competitor to SunnL in the dot com world, perhaps ebay would have selected VMS over SUN and we'dM have a fantastic reference site showing how a site can grow exponentially and @ add disaster tolerance etc without having to rewrite everything.  5 But as it stands, VMS didn't get it and won't get it.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:29:04 -0800h+ From: "Wayne Holland" <wholland@tscnet.com>e< Subject: Re: eBay extended downtime (was Re: eBay SPAMARAMA)O Message-ID: <51DF758E3CD5F4FC.1D669356113F9097.419EFAB7915416CC@lp.airnews.net>E   <snip>I > You have to catch the companies while they are young if you want to see  VMSmI > grow. And that means making VMS attractive for pilot projects and smalla businesses.w >oK > Had VMS been available at the low end and seen as a serious competitor toh SunbI > in the dot com world, perhaps ebay would have selected VMS over SUN and  we'dK > have a fantastic reference site showing how a site can grow exponentiallyo andFB > add disaster tolerance etc without having to rewrite everything. >h7 > But as it stands, VMS didn't get it and won't get it.e  I I agree.  I used to manage a VMS system for the Navy Dept.  Being retired H and looking around, I couldn't find any VMS for the i386.  However I didH find Solaris 8 for the i386 for $75.  I'm not too happy about fixed diskK slices and the way things are done but it is interesting.  You get a free CPK and C++ compiler, g77 fortran compiler, java, perl, etc.  Only bad thing isdI I miss the DEC languages... they had more functionality and were far moret> easier to use.  The DEC compilers produced what you asked for.L      I am still looking around.  Would be nice if VMS were available for the' price of the CDs on the intel platform.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:07:01 GMTi4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Emulate THIS!< Message-ID: <FtJ76.57722$1t.2840644@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3A5F5B60.A9FD2E82@videotron.ca...  J > Won't be long that the performance of the 8086 will be such that it will beH > able to run an alpha chip emulator in a Windows 2000 window and in it,	 boot VMS.   L You can run the Charon-VAX  MicroVAX emulator on Wintel and Lintel today. AsK for emulating a 64b environment on a 32b platform, that's kinda like trying4& to stuff ten kilos in a five-kilo bag.  G It would be interesting to learn if the Charon-folks have any plans forl IA64-based emulation   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2001 21:55:43 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler) Subject: Re: Emulate THIS!3 Message-ID: <93nugv$4vp$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>e  < In article <FtJ76.57722$1t.2840644@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,7 	"Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:d > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3A5F5B60.A9FD2E82@videotron.ca... > K >> Won't be long that the performance of the 8086 will be such that it will  > beI >> able to run an alpha chip emulator in a Windows 2000 window and in it,1 > boot VMS.  > N > You can run the Charon-VAX  MicroVAX emulator on Wintel and Lintel today. AsM > for emulating a 64b environment on a 32b platform, that's kinda like tryingn( > to stuff ten kilos in a five-kilo bag.  N Like everything else, if you really want to do it, you can...it just might not" be pretty (or in this case, fast)!  N I've thought about writing an alpha emulator for the hell of it which used theI PCI cards in the machine natively....so only the processor would actually N need to be emulated.  Seems possible to boot a standalone diskette which loadsK the 'processor' and ROMs into low RAM and then lets the machine just do the6J rest...kind of like the way the Transmeta processor does it.  Though on a E 1GHz Athlon, it'd probably be like a Alpha 166.  But OpenVMS on a PC jF (regardless of speed) is a nice thought...one which keeps haunting me.  
 Brian Wheeler2 bdwheele@indiana.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2001 13:52:14 PSTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)3 Subject: Re: Faster gzip, thank you Paul Repacholi!'3 Message-ID: <dNgER8WCiOLH@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>c  - In article <93le66$sam@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, l9     	mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:e [...]oL >                                                    ... I also noticed thatK > if I set the initial file allocation size to be the full size of the file-M > it slowed things down.  That counterintuitive result must occur because thelD > file system nulls out the disk blocks before releasing them to the > application.  ...s  H         You don't have HIGHWATER enabled  on  the  test disk do you?  IfH     so,  dismount the disk, then remount it /NOHIGHWATER and test again.H     Could have a small impact...has a large impact when creating  large,     e.g., page files...            -Ken -- fM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu6:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:21:10 GMT 5 From: danco@cx48228-c.escnd1.sdca.home.com (Dan Cook)r3 Subject: Re: Faster gzip, thank you Paul Repacholi!o- Message-ID: <slrn95v190.56v.danco@pebble.org>n  O On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:24:37 -0500, Glenn C. Everhart <Everhart@GCE.com> wrote:l  8 > A little hook in RMS and a check for something readily > available to RMS would do it.M  < An enhancement to the SET RMS_DEFAULT command would be good.   - Danf   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 23:08:06 GMT  From: neary_mike@my-deja.com+ Subject: help needed connecting to lat porto) Message-ID: <93o2oh$9jt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>y  G I've got a MicroVAX II running VMS 5.4 and I'm attempting to connect todC a LAT port (LTA10 on port 4 of a DECserver 200 which the kind folkssE over in COMP.SYS.DEC were helpful in getting working) without success E via an application that has worked fine on another MicroVAX. I get noeG errors, just a log message "Attempting to connect to lat port _LTA10:". C Now, since everything worked fine on another MicroVAX, I'm guessing G that I've configured something incorrectly. But I'm at a loss to figure A out what. One thing I find confusing is that if I do a show knownRG circuits in NCP it says I have only QNA0, but LATCP SHOW CHAR says that2G LAT is using XQA0. If I do an NCP CONNECT NODE DS200 VIA XQA-0, there'soE no such device, but a DCL SHOW DEVICE command shows there is a deviceeE XQA0, but no QNA0 device. However, I can connect to the DECserver 200kF (DS200) when I use the NCP command CONNECT NODE DS200 VIA QNA-0. BelowA is some information on the configuration. I'd be very grateful iff" someone can clear up my confusion. Thanks,g
 Mike Neary   LCP> show char   LCP CharacteristicsS   Node name = \SERVER\1 Node Identification = \@SYS$MANAGER:ANNOUNCE.TXT\p Groups = (0) Multicast timer = 60 seconds7 LAT Version = 5.1                LAT Protocol is activet     Service Names and Ids:  ? Service name : \MVAX\                       Dynamic rating : 83-           ID : \MVAX\1     Node Links:5   Link name = \LAT$LINK\ Link device = \XQA0:\o Groups = ()c Link-specific services:a Status = Activei $ mcr ncp show known circ3    9 Known Circuit Volatile Summary as of 12-JAN-2001 17:51:04t  A    Circuit          State                   Loopback     AdjacentoD                                               Name      Routing Node     QNA-0             on     LCP> show portse  ' Local Port Name = LTA1:   <application>t  %    Specified Remote Node Name = DS200h&    Specified Remote Port Name = PORT_2    Link Name = LAT$LINKt  ' Local Port Name = LTA8:   <interactive>   '    Specified Remote Service Name = MVAX -    Actual Remote Node Name = LAT_08002B1C7522l#    Actual Remote Port Name = PORT_1u    Link Name = LAT$LINK   ( Local Port Name = LTA10:   <application>  %    Specified Remote Node Name = DS200e&    Specified Remote Port Name = PORT_4    Link Name = LAT$LINK    Executor node = 1.1 (SERVER)  9 Identification           = DECnet-VAX V5.4-1,  VMS V5.4-1o! Management version       = V4.0.0j Incoming timer           = 45w Outgoing timer           = 60 " Incoming Proxy           = Enabled" Outgoing Proxy           = Enabled! NSP version              = V4.1.0n Maximum links            = 32n Delay factor             = 80e Delay weight             = 5 Inactivity timer         = 60- Retransmit factor        = 10 ! Routing version          = V2.0.00( Type                     = nonrouting IV Routing timer            = 600 Broadcast routing timer  = 180 Maximum address          = 10235 Maximum circuits         = 16  Maximum cost             = 1022a Maximum hops             = 30e Maximum visits           = 63a Maximum area             = 63S Max broadcast nonrouters = 64  Max broadcast routers    = 32p Maximum path splits      = 1 Area maximum cost        = 1022t Area maximum hops        = 30e Maximum buffers          = 100 Buffer size              = 576! Nonprivileged user id    = DECNET # Nonprivileged password   = YISWYXIJd0 Default access           = incoming and outgoing  Pipeline quota           = 10000 Alias maximum links      = 32s! Path split policy        = Normalh Maximum Declared Objects = 31l  $ (on DS200 the output of SHOW PORT 4)? Port 4:                                Server: LAT_08002B1C7522p  ? Character Size:            7           Input Speed:        9600d? Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:       9600 ? Parity:                 None           Modem Control:  Disabled   ? Access:               Remote           Local Switch:       Nonel? Backwards Switch:       None           Name:             PORT_4e? Break:                 Local           Session Limit:         4-? Forwards Switch:        None           Type:               Soft    Preferred Service: None    Authorized Groups:   0 (Current)  Groups:   0   Enabled Characteristics:  D Autoprompt,  Input Flow Control,  Loss Notification,  Message Codes," Output Flow Control,  Verification     Sent via Deja.comV http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:58:50 +0100 . From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>/ Subject: Re: help needed connecting to lat portu, Message-ID: <93o953$nri$1@news.inet.tele.dk>  ) <neary_mike@my-deja.com> wrote in messagen# news:93o2oh$9jt$1@nnrp1.deja.com...n >I'd be very grateful if$ > someone can clear up my confusion.	 > Thanks,g > Mike Neary   Hello Mike.c  F You have many questions, and I shall try to answer them one at a time.  I First, it must be realized that network circuit device names for the samerJ physical circuit are one thing when seen from within NCP and another thingI when seen outside NCP. In your case, the 'NCP-name' is QNA-0, whereas thepH 'outside-NCP-name' is XQA0:. Rest assured however: It is the same thing!  G Next, the LAT protocol operates with NODE names and PORT names within ap specificF node. The output from SHOW PORT 4 shows, that the LAT NODE name of the serverG is LAT_08002B1C7522 (the Server name), and that port 4 has the LAT namet PORT_4.e  C In order to reach this port from the VAX, the LTAxx: device must be 
 configured with LATCP using something likee  
 $ mc latcp create port lta10: /applicationo2 set port lta10: /node=LAT_08002B1C7522/port=PORT_4   Your output from   LCP> SH PORT  L indicates however, that your LTA10: thinks its LAT Node name is DS200, which would have been  the result of:  
 $ mc latcp create port lta10: /applicationo' set port lta10: /node=DS200/port=PORT_4-  / Usually, the LAT ports are set up from the files   SYS$MANAGER:LAT$STARTUP.COMo  ) but maybe this is different at your site.   C By the way, the most 'naked' way of connecting to the configurationl% port of the terminal server is to use)  6 NCP> CONNECT VIA QNA-0 PHYSICAL ADDR 08-00-2B-1C-75-22  H where 08-00-2B-1C-75-22 is the MAC-address of the terminal server, it is printed on the server itself.    The reason why you can say  ! NCP> CONNECT NODE DS200 VIA QNA-0f  G and achieve essentially the same thing is, that the name DS200 has been  configured as anF NCP node, with Hardware address 08-00-2B-1C-75-22. You can see this by saying   NCP> SHOW NODE DS200 CHA  I This is a convenient way of not having to remember the MAC addresses, butdD it is useful to know, that it is possible to specify the MAC address	 directly.t  
  Best regardso  Jesper Naur   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 05:24:23 GMT  From: neary_mike@my-deja.com/ Subject: Re: help needed connecting to lat portO) Message-ID: <93ooq3$r5u$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  F Thanks, Jesper. You were exactly on the money. I changed the node nameG in the SET PORT statement from "DS200" to "LAT_08002B1C7522" and voila:yA 12-JAN-2001 23:04:24.09 Attempting to connect to lat port _LTA10:17 12-JAN-2001 23:04:24.16 LAT connect success for _LTA10:n9 Many thanks for ending a frustrating day on a happy note!e          , In article <93o953$nri$1@news.inet.tele.dk>,1   "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk> wrote:i >v+ > <neary_mike@my-deja.com> wrote in messagee% > news:93o2oh$9jt$1@nnrp1.deja.com...  > >I'd be very grateful if& > > someone can clear up my confusion. > > Thanks,i > > Mike Neary > 
 > Hello Mike.e >fH > You have many questions, and I shall try to answer them one at a time. >(F > First, it must be realized that network circuit device names for the sameF > physical circuit are one thing when seen from within NCP and another thingaG > when seen outside NCP. In your case, the 'NCP-name' is QNA-0, whereaso thewC > 'outside-NCP-name' is XQA0:. Rest assured however: It is the same  thing! >aG > Next, the LAT protocol operates with NODE names and PORT names withino ao
 > specificH > node. The output from SHOW PORT 4 shows, that the LAT NODE name of the > serverD > is LAT_08002B1C7522 (the Server name), and that port 4 has the LAT name	 > PORT_4.i >yE > In order to reach this port from the VAX, the LTAxx: device must beI > configured! > with LATCP using something likei >n > $ mc latcp! > create port lta10: /applicationt4 > set port lta10: /node=LAT_08002B1C7522/port=PORT_4 >u > Your output from >i > LCP> SH PORT >aA > indicates however, that your LTA10: thinks its LAT Node name isw DS200, which > would have beenp > the result of: >n > $ mc latcp! > create port lta10: /applicationr) > set port lta10: /node=DS200/port=PORT_4e >o1 > Usually, the LAT ports are set up from the fileb >w > SYS$MANAGER:LAT$STARTUP.COM  >y+ > but maybe this is different at your site.- >-E > By the way, the most 'naked' way of connecting to the configurationz' > port of the terminal server is to usec >R8 > NCP> CONNECT VIA QNA-0 PHYSICAL ADDR 08-00-2B-1C-75-22 >DG > where 08-00-2B-1C-75-22 is the MAC-address of the terminal server, itr is > printed on the server itself.d >t > The reason why you can say >i# > NCP> CONNECT NODE DS200 VIA QNA-0g >oD > and achieve essentially the same thing is, that the name DS200 has been > configured as anH > NCP node, with Hardware address 08-00-2B-1C-75-22. You can see this by > saying >m > NCP> SHOW NODE DS200 CHA >iG > This is a convenient way of not having to remember the MAC addresses,S buteF > it is useful to know, that it is possible to specify the MAC address > directly.h >  >  Best regardsr >  Jesper Naur >o >o     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2001 20:47:30 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)L Subject: Hobby VMS - was Re: eBay extended downtime (was Re: eBay SPAMARAMA)+ Message-ID: <$QcPTa3sJTot@eisner.decus.org>e  N In article <51DF758E3CD5F4FC.1D669356113F9097.419EFAB7915416CC@lp.airnews.net>2  "Wayne Holland" <wholland@tscnet.company> writes: >n< > I agree.  I used to manage a VMS system for the Navy Dept.; > Being retired and looking around, I couldn't find any VMSe: > for the i386.  However I did find Solaris 8 for the i386= > for $75.  I'm not too happy about fixed disk slices and then> > way things are done but it is interesting.  You get a free C: > and C++ compiler, g77 fortran compiler, java, perl, etc.= > Only bad thing is I miss the DEC languages... they had more 9 > functionality and were far more easier to use.  The DEC ( > compilers produced what you asked for.< >      I am still looking around.  Would be nice if VMS were; > available for the price of the CDs on the intel platform.3  I OpenVMS is only available on the intel plaform in emulation, and there ish a hobbyist version of that.u  L As far as for your hobby use, the license is free, including license for theG DEC compilers that you like.  Media, if you can not borrow some is alsoh- available for around the $40.00 U.S.D. range.   D I think that all of the links for finding this information is in theB OpenVMS FAQ that can be found from a link on the OpenVMS home page   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  H Used equipment that can run OpenVMS (VAX and ALPHA) can be found on-lineH at low cost, or sometimes free for being in the right place at the rightG time.  I would tend to recommend finding a used ALPHA with at least 64MdJ of memory and a SCSI CD-ROM drive that is listed in the OpenVMS S.P.D. forI beginners.  More memory is always better, and you will want at least 1 gbi% for your system disk, more is better.u   -Johne wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion only.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:32:37 GMTh' From: Brent Wilhelm <bawilhelm@ssu.edu> ! Subject: Re: Identify que entry #r) Message-ID: <93nt5l$4ii$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   A I believe this was the case.  I got no abort message back, just afF prompt.  I checked around an nobody was mysteriously missing anything.F Either it wasn't important or it will turn up sooner or later.  Thanks for the input.    7 In article <3uI76.2544$aR2.84610@wagner.videotron.net>,@)   "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca> wrote:eG > If the job was still pending or holding, you will have no trace of itr being.C > deleted. Accounting will not record it as no process was running.t >  > --	 > Syltremt5 > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS Web Site)n >n   --
 Brent Wilhelmo System Admin/DBA Salisbury State University     Sent via Deja.comy http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2001 20:52:04 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)! Subject: Re: Identify que entry #h+ Message-ID: <o2WexpWkSkcp@eisner.decus.org>-  ) In article <93nt5l$4ii$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,2/ Brent Wilhelm <bawilhelm@ssu.educatoin> writes:aC > I believe this was the case.  I got no abort message back, just atH > prompt.  I checked around an nobody was mysteriously missing anything.H > Either it wasn't important or it will turn up sooner or later.  Thanks > for the input.  2 Then you have not been following the other thread?  E It was titled: My batch job was killed, how do I find out who did it?c   Just kidding :-) -Johnt Personal opinion onlya   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 03:10:41 GMT 3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>X! Subject: Re: Identify que entry #y/ Message-ID: <3A5FC688.E0F8F946@cableinet.co.uk>p   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:y > + > In article <93nt5l$4ii$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, 1 > Brent Wilhelm <bawilhelm@ssu.educatoin> writes:yE > > I believe this was the case.  I got no abort message back, just atJ > > prompt.  I checked around an nobody was mysteriously missing anything.J > > Either it wasn't important or it will turn up sooner or later.  Thanks > > for the input. > 4 > Then you have not been following the other thread? > G > It was titled: My batch job was killed, how do I find out who did it?  >   @ More seriously, if it was important to anybody but yourself then@ you must have elevated privs and consequently should be aware of? what system level batch jobs are running, and you better check pB all the system housekeeping jobs, the shutdown job for the weekendE for preplanned power outage that your other sysmgr submitted, defrag,@F database maintenance jobs etc or whatever are still there and running.  A I recommend writing a procedure to check for such jobs if this isR; your situation and you don't already have such a procedure.g   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:11:24 GMT  From: trdorr@my-deja.com/ Subject: Listerner Port for a GESTETNER printerI) Message-ID: <93o6f7$ct5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>f  A I am trying to print to a GESTETNER printer/copier and using UCX.nE Does anyone know what a valid listerner port is for GESTETNER device?s Thanks,l Tom      Sent via Deja.comr http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:12:25 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>& Subject: Re: Loads of Alphas (700+)...< Message-ID: <tGI76.57716$1t.2839800@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  L > > Indeed they do. The Sanger Centre is the UK's answer to Celera Genomics. >l) > And, IIRC, Celera are similarly stuffedc > to the gills with Alphas.a  J Big-time. Celera was an early adopter of the GS-Series, and they have more1 ES40s and the like than you can shake a stick at!-    F Word has it that Lou Gerstner of IBM offered to GIVE Celera a bunch ofI RS-hardware. Celera allegedly turned the generous offer down because they-9 had a need for speed that they could only get from Alpha.x   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:10:20 -0500o0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>7 Subject: Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped setl2 Message-ID: <0lVfOl6njv4=nNnKy2HCVqT7quHB@4ax.com>  ; The chunksize will make no difference regarding the default 7 cluster size.  The formula for minimum cluster size is:A   Number_of_blocks / (255 * 4096)f  = Either you will need to upgrade to V7.2 or use the suggestion8: in which a RAID set is produced and the resulting RAID set/ is partitioned (up to four partitions allowed).$   David R. Beatty   6 On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:47:26 +0000, "Steeples, Oliver"# <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> wrote:n  L >Have you tried an init on the HSJ50 setting the chunksize to a lower value? >  >Regards >r >Oliver Steeples >Storage Technical Specialista" >Technical Customer Support Center >Compaq Computers Limitedg >s >e >t >-----Original Message-----r3 >From: Clayton Kroh [mailto:ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU]o' >Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 4:37 PMo >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com4 >Subject: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped set >i >c
 >Environment:t >  >Alpha 4100, OpenVMS 7.1, HSJ50C >tF >On the HSJ50 I created a 36 GB striped set using two 18 GB drives. By >default, the clusterCI >size is set to 69 when the drive is initialized so when I copied 7 GB ofm >data to the newH >striped set it ended up taking 17 GB (ouch!) leaving only 19 GB free. I	 >tried toDH >initialize the striped set with initialize/cluster_size=(anything < 69) >$2$dua903:o6 >userss  and it will not accept anything less than 69. >aJ >Is this truly that smallest cluster size I can use due to the geometry of >the two 18 GBG >drives? This striped set contains mostly very small mail files for our  >students so thisc) >seems like it is a major waste of space.  > M >Could I stripe four 9 GB drives and be able to use a smaller cluster size to\ >be more' >efficient and not waste so much space?  > K >When I backup this new 36 GB striped set, will I actually be copying 17 GBX >of data to tapeK >(1/2 of which would just be empty space because of the large cluster size)  >or will it onlyH >copy the true 7 GB of real data? (Meaning will I need one tape or two.) >  >  >Thanks in advanced.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:17:24 -0500o+ From: Clayton Kroh <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU>o7 Subject: Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped sete+ Message-ID: <3A5F6653.F0E88E0E@clarion.edu>d  ] Thanks to all that replied. I think I need to regroup and determine the best way to split the \ student accounts onto separate 18 GB drives as upgrading to VMS 7.2 is not an option anytime soon.   
 Thanks again.=   "D.Webb" wrote:a  [ > In article <3A5F32C8.E6E4CD67@clarion.edu>, Clayton Kroh <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU> writes:S > >Environment:d > >t! > >Alpha 4100, OpenVMS 7.1, HSJ50= > >L] > >On the HSJ50 I created a 36 GB striped set using two 18 GB drives. By default, the cluster-[ > >size is set to 69 when the drive is initialized so when I copied 7 GB of data to the new S > >striped set it ended up taking 17 GB (ouch!) leaving only 19 GB free. I tried to V > >initialize the striped set with initialize/cluster_size=(anything < 69)  $2$dua903:8 > >userss  and it will not accept anything less than 69. > >=Z > >Is this truly that smallest cluster size I can use due to the geometry of the two 18 GBZ > >drives? This striped set contains mostly very small mail files for our students so this+ > >seems like it is a major waste of space.s > >  >=N > Yes it is a major waste of space. Unfortunately the only way around it is toN > upgrade to VMS 7.2 (or better still VMS 7.2-1) where these ridiculous limits > are greatly relaxed.N > With VMS 7.2 and later  you can have a cluster size of 1 for a 36GB and much > larger disks.  > W > >Could I stripe four 9 GB drives and be able to use a smaller cluster size to be mores) > >efficient and not waste so much space?  > >S >IN > No this would make no difference - what counts is the total size of the disk > presented to VMS.  >kP > On our Academic cluster I had a number of 18GB disks which (when I was runningM > VMS 7.1) I partitioned so that they appeared as 4 separate approx 4GB disksS5 > using the HSZ50 so as not to waste space like this.7N > Now I am running VMS 7.2-1 this is no longer a problem so I have removed the/ > partitioning and they are back as 18GB disks.o > K > By the way what would you do to protect this proposed stripe set of 4 9GBL? > drives. Would you be shadowing it with another set of disks ?NQ > 4 drives striped = 4 times the chance of losing all your data when a disk drive Q > goes bad. I would be looking at shadowing or one of the controller raid optionse > for resilience.  >hP > For that matter do you really need to stripe these disks into one large disk ?F > Would splitting the files across separate disks not provide adequateE > performance with any disk problem only affecting part of the data ?  >-Q > If you do create one large stripe-set how are you going to create the directoryeO > structure on this disk. If you create all the users accounts at the top-levelrH > you may have performance problems because of the size of the top level? > directory. You may need to create a number of sub-directoriesbK > [.usr1], [.usr2], [.usr3]  etc and split your user accounts amongst them.N >yP > (since you mention student mail files I am assuming that the disk will containO > a large number of student accounts each of which contains their mail.mai files > etc).s >l >r > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >s] > >When I backup this new 36 GB striped set, will I actually be copying 17 GB of data to tape ] > >(1/2 of which would just be empty space because of the large cluster size) or will it onlyOJ > >copy the true 7 GB of real data? (Meaning will I need one tape or two.) > >A > >E > >Thanks in advanced. > >0 > >--7 > >Clayton Kroha > >Manager, Enterprise Servicesn > >Clarion University of PA  > >ckroh@clarion.edu > >(814) 393-1673d > >  > >b   -- Clayton Kroh Manager, Enterprise Services Clarion University of PA ckroh@clarion.eduo (814) 393-1673   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:11:42 -0500 + From: Clayton Kroh <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU>s7 Subject: Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped setu+ Message-ID: <3A5F730D.BDED04AD@clarion.edu>l   I was trying to move the student account data from an 8 GB stripe set to a 36 GB stripe set just to be able to increase their disk quotas  without having to change much else other than the backups eventually spanning more than one tape. Performance is not a problem at this time.t   From the sounds of it, it looks like my best bet is to split the accounts onto two separate 18 GB drives or upgrade to VMS 7.2.e   Rob Young wrote:   > In article <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116C36F@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>, "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> writes:O > > Have you tried an init on the HSJ50 setting the chunksize to a lower value?- >1 >         ???? > >t > > Regardsg > >C > > Oliver SteeplesA  > > Storage Technical Specialist% > > Technical Customer Support Center  > > Compaq Computers Limited > >  >p > >l > > Environment: > >d" > > Alpha 4100, OpenVMS 7.1, HSJ50 > >eI > > On the HSJ50 I created a 36 GB striped set using two 18 GB drives. By  > > default, the clusterL > > size is set to 69 when the drive is initialized so when I copied 7 GB of > > data to the newmK > > striped set it ended up taking 17 GB (ouch!) leaving only 19 GB free. I  > > tried toK > > initialize the striped set with initialize/cluster_size=(anything < 69): > > $2$dua903:9 > > userss  and it will not accept anything less than 69.A > >nM > > Is this truly that smallest cluster size I can use due to the geometry ofo > > the two 18 GBaJ > > drives? This striped set contains mostly very small mail files for our > > students so this, > > seems like it is a major waste of space. > >sP > > Could I stripe four 9 GB drives and be able to use a smaller cluster size to > > be mores* > > efficient and not waste so much space? > >iN > > When I backup this new 36 GB striped set, will I actually be copying 17 GB > > of data to tapeuN > > (1/2 of which would just be empty space because of the large cluster size) > > or will it only K > > copy the true 7 GB of real data? (Meaning will I need one tape or two.)s > >e > >- >eI >         What are you trying to do?  Relocate all student directories toeH >         one disk for manageability?  You realize with a stripe set youI >         have less MTBF?  One drive goes, you are pulling a backup tape.H >PI >         The reason I ask: "what are you trying to do" is there are some N >         ways to go better than others.  If you are after better performance,O >         you might want to take those 9 gig drives, create a RAID5 , partitionhH >         the RAID5 into 4 seperate units.  That should leave you with 4K >         drives/disks at the OS level of approximately 5 gigs each and youtO >         can then use a much smaller cluster size.  There are several benefitssF >         to this.  You have data protection underneath (RAID5), greatG >         read response and with writeback caching turned on good writen >         response.e >oI >         Do you have the manuals?  HSJ50 and HSD50 Array Controllers and$I >         HSJ50 Array Controller?  (They must have been tipping the saucee@ >         when they named those manuals ... *slightly* kidding). >t% >                                 Rob    -- Clayton Kroh Manager, Enterprise Services Clarion University of PA ckroh@clarion.eduM (814) 393-1673   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:33:16 -0600s7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>-7 Subject: Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped set - Message-ID: <3A5FCC7C.A2C2DA99@earthlink.net>    Clayton Kroh wrote:  > [snip]V > Could I stripe four 9 GB drives and be able to use a smaller cluster size to be more( > efficient and not waste so much space?  G Well, given what you describe (apparently, many small files), you mightlD be better off to use a bound volume set. Many denizens of this group/ prefer not to use them, but they can be useful./  w\ > When I backup this new 36 GB striped set, will I actually be copying 17 GB of data to tape\ > (1/2 of which would just be empty space because of the large cluster size) or will it onlyI > copy the true 7 GB of real data? (Meaning will I need one tape or two.)a  H BACKUP only copies the data in the file. That is, base your calculations" on the EOF size, not the ALQ size.   -- w David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/v  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.C   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2001 00:23:43 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)7 Subject: Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped setd+ Message-ID: <egDLe3LEMpuk@eisner.decus.org>c  Y In article <3A5F6653.F0E88E0E@clarion.edu>, Clayton Kroh <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU> writes:l_ > Thanks to all that replied. I think I need to regroup and determine the best way to split thes^ > student accounts onto separate 18 GB drives as upgrading to VMS 7.2 is not an option anytime > soon.h >   = 	If you do have 4 - 9 gig drives available it would be bettero< 	for several reasons to do as I described earlier (create a / 	RAID5 set and partition it into 4 partitions):m   		1) It has higher availability. 		2) Much better performance, 		3) Ability to create smaller cluster sizes 		4) A chance to learn  7 	My math was off a bit... if you use 4 9 gig drives ande8 	create 4 partitions , you should end up with 4 disks of8 	nearly 7 GByte each.  It really isn't that difficult to@ 	do.  But I would also recommend that you do what is comfortable; 	for you , but I would be willing to provide help via email  	if you get stuck.   				Robt   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:35:22 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)7 Subject: Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped setrL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1301010135220001@user-2iveb2o.dialup.mindspring.com>  X In article <3A5F6653.F0E88E0E@clarion.edu>, Clayton Kroh <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU> wrote:  _ > Thanks to all that replied. I think I need to regroup and determine the best way to split theh^ > student accounts onto separate 18 GB drives as upgrading to VMS 7.2 is not an option anytime > soon.>   If you're not able to upgrade to V7.2 or higher, please at least upgrade to 7.1-2.  This is a fast, painless upgrade that isn't likely to hurt anything.  The media kit is only around $20./   -- i Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2001 15:17:16 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg) Subject: Re: mntverifytimeout + Message-ID: <kgtLgoFx+gpe@eisner.decus.org>s  5 In article <ZrG76.133705$47.2069454@news.bc.tac.net>,u( "Horst Hinz" <hhinz@bcmhs.bc.ca> writes:9 > I am VERY new to VMS, we just lost our VMS admin so I'm25 > struggling here quite a bit.  One of my disks has a 7 > mntverifytimeout as the status, obviously the disk isj4 > unavailable to me right now.  What does this error7 > mean, and do I have to reset my VMS system to fix theo/ > problem (assuming it's not hardware related)?   : The error means that VMS can not reach the disk right now.  9 If the disk has indicator lights and or controls, I wouldu: check them to see if there is either a fault condition, or> that somehow the disk has been accidentally switched off line.  8 It is likely to be a hardware problem with the drive, or: the wrong setting of the disk control panel.  Reseting the0 VMS system will probably not fix this condition.  3 Another poster has explained how to clear the mountd
 condition.   -Johni wb8tyw@qsl.network" Representing only my own opinions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:05:47 +0100e6 From: "Gaston Gloesener" <Gaston.Gloesener@compaq.com> Subject: Re: mntverifytimeoutt* Message-ID: <93o2c6$ktt@usenet.pa.dec.com>  G Some more clarification about "MountVerifyTimout". This means that withaH default settings your disk has not been reachable for at least one hour.  E In fact when ever OpenVMS fails to access a disk drive it goes into a J mount verfification process trying to recover the disk. This is where most8 OSs crash. The sSYSGEN parameter MVTIMEOUT tells OpenVMSH how long to try to connect to the disk (Default: 60 Minutes). After thisC time the disk goes into MountVerifyTimout and needs to be remounted G as described in another post. After this timout OpenVMS does not try to D reconnect to the disk anymore and all I/Os to that disk are aborted.  J To be complete, there are a few situations in which the mount verificationK is aborted earlier than the timeout value, as for shadow set memebers wherec= SHADOW_MBR_TMO counts and for errors where mount verificationD! cannot help for sure (data lost).    Gaston   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:39:26 -0500w2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: mntverifytimeoutDL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1301010139260001@user-2iveb2o.dialup.mindspring.com>  _ In article <kgtLgoFx+gpe@eisner.decus.org>, malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg) wrote:s  7 > In article <ZrG76.133705$47.2069454@news.bc.tac.net>,y* > "Horst Hinz" <hhinz@bcmhs.bc.ca> writes:; > > I am VERY new to VMS, we just lost our VMS admin so I'ml7 > > struggling here quite a bit.  One of my disks has al9 > > mntverifytimeout as the status, obviously the disk isf6 > > unavailable to me right now.  What does this error9 > > mean, and do I have to reset my VMS system to fix ther1 > > problem (assuming it's not hardware related)?h > < > The error means that VMS can not reach the disk right now. > ; > If the disk has indicator lights and or controls, I would < > check them to see if there is either a fault condition, or@ > that somehow the disk has been accidentally switched off line. > : > It is likely to be a hardware problem with the drive, or< > the wrong setting of the disk control panel.  Reseting the2 > VMS system will probably not fix this condition.  E In a VMSCluster, you will also get mntverifytimeout on other nodes if(I the node that the disk is connected to leaves the cluster for an extendedoH period of time.  If that is the case, getting the missing node back will allow you to remount the disk.  . Post the relevant output from SHOW DEVICE/FULL   -- 6 Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comc   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:55:10 GMTu From: ewilts@my-deja.com- Subject: Re: Modifications to directory filesc) Message-ID: <93nju9$rl8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>p  . In article <93mu4h$kv2$2@info.service.rug.nl>,   helbig@astro.rug.nl wrote:H > In article <3Iv76.30207$Ip3.1156862@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net>, Ed Wilts > <ewilts@mediaone.net> writes:- >@; > > Sometime in recent history, I started noticing that thed modification daterC > > of some of my directory files started changing.  This certainlyr
 never usedA > > to be the case, since it sure does screw up the backups.  I'ms	 currentlytC > > running V7.1-2 on AXP with most high-priority patches (sys-0200o excepted ofr > > course).  F > There was a change a while back so that ALL files in a directory areC > backed up when the modification date of the directory changes.  A$ commonE > way to change this is to change the protection.  I was surprised atsE > first, but realise that it makes sense that this is the default.  Ie9 > believe there is a switch to restore the old behaviour.s  B I am well aware of the change to backup, and know why it was done.D Feel free to send flames my way, but I was one of the driving forcesA for complaining about backup incremental restores and filling theeE target volumes (I didn't like the resultant solution, but at least it  fixed the bug!).  D However, the protection on the directories are not changing.  I haveC verified them in a few cases, and that's not the answer.  SomethingG4 else is going on that is causing the date to change.       Sent via Deja.comn http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2001 16:06:54 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)M Subject: NTP can be primary on OpenVMS - was Re: Kitchen sink. ( not emacs! )n+ Message-ID: <HBgYWF25P+Zp@eisner.decus.org>   3 In article <87y9wgpr7o.fsf_-_@k9.prep.synonet.com>,h3  Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.company> writes:g >iC > Go to http://www.ntp.org.  NTP is Network Time Protocol, a methodDA > for disseminating accurate time across a net work. Pretty basicy > stuff knowing what day it is.  >tA > Go to the software link. Compare what is listed for VMS and for  > gateshit.  >5? > Yes, VMS does have NTP. Running on the machine I'm typing on.t? > But you can't run it as a primary, or from any external clockdA > except DTSS. The hoard of windows stuff, it pretty much 3 truck ? > loads of shit. There is almost nothing there that isn't in NTi8 > NTP or a win client. But notice where the numbers are.   See<N http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6526/6526profile_015.html#ntp_intro  I NTP can be run as a primary with TCPIP 5.0 or later.  The steps are givenfG to prevent it from setting the OpenVMS system time, with the assumptioni? that you have provided DTSS or some other means of getting timet synchronization.  B DTSS is not required to have your OpenVMS system be a primary time source.i  C It can also set the time from an external NTP source if you desire.c   > Same old story isn't it...   No.    -John7 wb8tyw@qsl.network Only my personal opinionsf   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2001 22:17:29 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)Q Subject: Re: NTP can be primary on OpenVMS - was Re: Kitchen sink. ( not emacs! )a6 Message-ID: <93nvpp$a7o$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ` In article <HBgYWF25P+Zp@eisner.decus.org>, malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg) writes:4 :In article <87y9wgpr7o.fsf_-_@k9.prep.synonet.com>,4 : Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.company> writes:  K   Please remember to pick a relevent subject -- thanks!   I probably won't nG   be looking for any discussions of NTP in a "kitchen sink" thread, andk8   would not have noticed this save for John's posting...  D :> Go to http://www.ntp.org.  NTP is Network Time Protocol, a methodB :> for disseminating accurate time across a net work. Pretty basic  :> stuff knowing what day it is. ..@ :> Yes, VMS does have NTP. Running on the machine I'm typing on.@ :> But you can't run it as a primary, or from any external clock :> except DTSS.a .. :SeeO :http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6526/6526profile_015.html#ntp_introp :t6 :NTP can be run as a primary with TCPIP 5.0 or later.   E   NTP was able to run as a master clock prior to V5.0.  Donno when itlC   was introduced, but the capability has been around for a while...r  I   There are discussions of configuring NTP as a server (master clock) in  7   the FAQ and several times in the Ask The Wizard area.t  I   An API that would permit access to a generic external time base is not  J   available with the current NTP version in TCP/IP Services.  Having this H   would require the replacement of NTP with a version that does provide J   callouts (such as the only available from udel), or (as I've requested) K   the implementation of a callout mechanism within the TCP/IP Services NTP  K   that would permit it to retrieve the time from the external timebase via e   a customized module.  M   With the current TCP/IP Services NTP version, do check the documentation...o  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:16:41 -0500i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS on CNET, Message-ID: <3A5F5813.C63F8A81@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:J > does real cluster load balancing, high security (can combine LANMAN withH > OpenVMS security) and is not susceptible to the 32bit x86 server basedL > virus's that are around today, then that is certainly your folks decision.  K For as long as Compaq insists that VMS is not a workstation OS, then Compaq . expects you to have a wintel box on your desk.  M And when you have a wintel box on your desk, your wintel box is actually moreoQ susceptible to viruses when it is served by a VMS server than by a winter server:p  L -are there CURRENT tools for wintel virus detection that run on VMS-alpha to scan any emails etc ?o  K -when a virus epidemic does break out, how quickly do such tools appear fora VMS servers vs Wintel servers ?0    N Also, remember that the wintel mentality is one application per server box. SoL the email box may be infected and very sick, but that doesn't mean that yourB web server box has also succombed because it is on a separate box.  N Your "virus" argument, I am affraid to say, is at the same level as teh "snake& oil" arguments used in a previous era.   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2001 19:41:10 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)a Subject: Re: OpenVMS on CNET0 Message-ID: <93nmkm$d2e$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  \ In article <3A5F5813.C63F8A81@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >"Main, Kerry" wrote:uK >> does real cluster load balancing, high security (can combine LANMAN withiI >> OpenVMS security) and is not susceptible to the 32bit x86 server basedaM >> virus's that are around today, then that is certainly your folks decision.t > L >For as long as Compaq insists that VMS is not a workstation OS, then Compaq/ >expects you to have a wintel box on your desk.o >yN >And when you have a wintel box on your desk, your wintel box is actually moreR >susceptible to viruses when it is served by a VMS server than by a winter server: >lM >-are there CURRENT tools for wintel virus detection that run on VMS-alpha to  >scan any emails etc ? >n   Yes.  * Sophos VSweep antivirus  software for one.  M We scan all our mail via sophos vsweep running on our VMS based PMDF mailhub.e  r    L >-when a virus epidemic does break out, how quickly do such tools appear for  >VMS servers vs Wintel servers ? >   L At the same time with Sophos. New versions are released at the same time forI all platforms ( all distributed on one CD ). Plus common IDE files can besC downloaded from the Sophos website to detect newly emerged viruses.b This can be automated.    h   >sO >Also, remember that the wintel mentality is one application per server box. SotM >the email box may be infected and very sick, but that doesn't mean that yourtC >web server box has also succombed because it is on a separate box.h >AO >Your "virus" argument, I am affraid to say, is at the same level as teh "snakea' >oil" arguments used in a previous era.c  ; There are NO viruses which run on VMS as far as I am aware. N You can also run Virus scans of all the files on the VMS systems to check for B any PC viruses which might have got there other than through mail.M For directories shared out by pathworks you can run Sophos in intercheck mode J so that creation of files with viruses or modification of files to contain viruses is detected.  M Hence using VMS systems neither your web server nor your email system will be*= sick whether they are one and the same box or multiple boxes.l    J In this case of course VMS is not the only choice the same arguments aboutH being immune to viruses can be made (utilising either Sophos or similar C software to detect pc viruses ) for a large number of Unix systems.r    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:05:09 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com< Subject: Re: Oracle and OpenVMS - Oops, I did it again ! ! !H Message-ID: <OFE49FB248.28FB71F5-ON802569D2.0068CC8D@qedi.quintiles.com>  A It was better when Queen stole the show all those years back.....u        = fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br on 12-01-2001 08:25:54 PM    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn cc:c  = Subject:  Re: Oracle and OpenVMS - Oops, I did it again ! ! !o    , She is here in the megashow Rock in Rio ....   James Taylor is too ! ! !c   :-)s   Regardsl   FC        2 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com em 12/01/2001 16:18:56             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como      < Assunto: Re: Oracle and OpenVMS - Oops, I did it again ! ! !      H -10000 cool points for the Britney Spears reference. (Oops, -1000 for meJ for recognizing it...) (Oh, and -100 for anyone who actually knows who Ms.I Spears is) (But only -50 if it's just as "that bird in the school uniformo video")    Shanei  H P.S. We apologise for the interruption in normality. Normal Shane wil be resumed as soon as possible.          = fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br on 01/12/2001 11:42:20 AMt   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- cc:-  9 Subject:  Oracle and OpenVMS - Oops, I did it again ! ! !o    
 Click here  # http://platforms.oracle.com/compaq/m  B The NT and Tru64 links are working, but the OpenVMS ..... :-((((((     Regards    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:28:07 -0500U- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n< Subject: Re: Oracle and OpenVMS - Oops, I did it again ! ! !, Message-ID: <3A5F5AC0.FF29A172@videotron.ca>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:J > P.S. We apologise for the interruption in normality. Normal Shane wil be > resumed as soon as possible.  3 Is there a reference point for "normal" Shane ?????t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:57:40 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comA< Subject: Re: Oracle and OpenVMS - Oops, I did it again ! ! !D Message-ID: <OF1597F657.AD8A8533-ON882569D2.006D990A@foundation.com>  0 Yes. Arkham Asylum. They have extensive records.   ShaneB          A JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> on 01/12/2001 11:28:07 AMd   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come cc:r  = Subject:  Re: Oracle and OpenVMS - Oops, I did it again ! ! !     " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:J > P.S. We apologise for the interruption in normality. Normal Shane wil be > resumed as soon as possible.  3 Is there a reference point for "normal" Shane ?????    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2001 15:10:26 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)< Subject: Re: Oracle and OpenVMS - Oops, I did it again ! ! !+ Message-ID: <HPtCmEEsm5xH@eisner.decus.org>d  x In article <OFACEA9B47.8EC9A1C2-ON032569D2.006D7019@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:. > She is here in the megashow Rock in Rio .... >  > James Taylor is too ! ! !g >   C 	Gotta love that.  Has Metallica and Julie Andrews joined them too?a   			Rob   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:26:25 GMTt From: boltond@my-deja.coms' Subject: Pathworks/Multinet performance-) Message-ID: <93o0a6$7fv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>m  H Hope someone can give me a definitive answer for my problem.  I see bitsD and pieces in different postings, but never one that fits my problemA exactly.  I have customers experiencing file transfer performancec: problems and have exhausted all efforts from the VMS side.  F Background is this.  Customer is on a NT4/SP5 desktop, running a tool.G This consists of opening the database, after which the user is requirediH to (accept a default output directory or) select an output directory andF to fill data into 3 text fields.  The user then selects the "GENERATE"9 button, at which point the timed part of the test begins.f  F The IOGT tool cycles through the data in the database and outputs codeE modules derived from that data.  If those output files already exist,eF they are copied to "backup" files.  If the backup files already exist,F they are first deleted.  Once the last code module has been generated,E the execution time of the test is captured, and a message box is then F displayed that lists the execution time along with the outputs.  AfterE the user clicks "OK", the IOGT tool "wraps" up by copying the data in-; the message box to an output file, and closes the database.   D The data exists on a VMS Cluster and the customer accesses this dataD through a Alpha2100 running OS 7.1-2, Multinet 4.1B, and PW6.0C.  WeG have performed every recommended parameter change, upgrade, and test ofn; the network environment.  Nothing improves the performance.   C I see different posts related to TCP that talk about a no_delay_ack H parameter, the difference in window sizes between MULTINET and NT, so on
 and so on.  E Does anyone know of any specific performance fixes for my environmenttG where NT customers use Pathworks for connections, and MULTINET for dataoC transport.  Note that we will be upgrading to MULTINET 4.3 shortly.o   Thanks for any help.     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:04:37 -0500 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>o) Subject: Re: Positive Gartner VMS article 6 Message-ID: <93nnse$8bl$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  C Folks you can leave your opinion about VMS at the web site Dave has > mentioned in his note.   It also makes some excellent reading.   Sue:' _______________________________________. Dave Gudewicz wrote in message/ <93nj0m$ikl$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>...3 >Will wonders never cease? >lL >http://enterprise.cnet.com/enterprise/0-9566-707-1751615.html?tag=st.it.956 >. >Dave... >h >.   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2001 19:19:53 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog). Subject: Re: powerchute for VMS AXP don't work, Message-ID: <93nlcp$39t@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  p In article <009F6016.D4CBA518@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:h >In article <bM5u5yy0n+Ut@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:O >>In article <93n12r$9c4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, larryrblackwell@my-deja.com writes:t >dL >I haven't a clue as the to pinouts of the part numbers mentioned.  However,L >I will cauthion against trying any "standard" cables.  The input on the APCM >unit (its 9 pin) is anything but standard.  One fellow I know used a typicalaH >9 pin cable and managed to shutdown his systems and APC in short order.  L I'd like to add a warning about UPS power supplies in general when used withE DS10s and probably every other machine that uses SRM.  When SHUTDOWN  K completes or a machine is first powered up the state of the serial lines iseJ NOT determined.  They can be, and often are, in a state that tells the UPSI to do the wrong thing.  There is no SRM setting to control this!  For theLI TrippLite Omnismart UPS my DS10 in this state typically sends a signal to-J the UPS that causes it to disconnect from the AC.  That is, after SHUTDOWNE on my system the UPS goes to running off batteries.  This can be very$K unfortunate if you don't notice it (there is a battery light) and dally tooeK long in that state. If you're only doing a shutdown/reboot sequence the UPSdI can easily supply power for the few seconds that takes, and the DS10 will I be ok.  But if you want to load a new version of SRM then you MUST detachmJ the serial cable before you begin to reenable the inverter. Otherwise in NK minutes, when you've got half of SRM loaded, the UPS will shut down and you % will be so very, very, very screwed. p  I During the boot sequence itself the serial line also jumps around a bit. eH The take home lesson is not to EVER use a UPS/cable combination that canG trigger the "shutoff power now" option that some UPS's have.  If you dohG so and the serial line goes to the wrong state the system will just dieeK with no warning.  It's bad enough that the DS10 can trigger the Omnismart'scK "run off of batteries" signal, but there's no way to disable that and stilla5 retain control of the UPS under normal circumstances.a  	 Regards, o   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech i   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:04:54 GMTo= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)a. Subject: Re: powerchute for VMS AXP don't work0 Message-ID: <009F6031.7BB93E84@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <93nlcp$39t@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:-q >In article <009F6016.D4CBA518@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:bi >>In article <bM5u5yy0n+Ut@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes: P >>>In article <93n12r$9c4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, larryrblackwell@my-deja.com writes: >>M >>I haven't a clue as the to pinouts of the part numbers mentioned.  However,oM >>I will cauthion against trying any "standard" cables.  The input on the APCaN >>unit (its 9 pin) is anything but standard.  One fellow I know used a typicalI >>9 pin cable and managed to shutdown his systems and APC in short order.  >nM >I'd like to add a warning about UPS power supplies in general when used withmF >DS10s and probably every other machine that uses SRM.  When SHUTDOWN L >completes or a machine is first powered up the state of the serial lines isK >NOT determined.  They can be, and often are, in a state that tells the UPS/J >to do the wrong thing.  There is no SRM setting to control this!  For theJ >TrippLite Omnismart UPS my DS10 in this state typically sends a signal toK >the UPS that causes it to disconnect from the AC.  That is, after SHUTDOWNtF >on my system the UPS goes to running off batteries.  This can be veryL >unfortunate if you don't notice it (there is a battery light) and dally tooL >long in that state. If you're only doing a shutdown/reboot sequence the UPSJ >can easily supply power for the few seconds that takes, and the DS10 willJ >be ok.  But if you want to load a new version of SRM then you MUST detachK >the serial cable before you begin to reenable the inverter. Otherwise in N:L >minutes, when you've got half of SRM loaded, the UPS will shut down and you& >will be so very, very, very screwed.  >mJ >During the boot sequence itself the serial line also jumps around a bit. I >The take home lesson is not to EVER use a UPS/cable combination that cannH >trigger the "shutoff power now" option that some UPS's have.  If you doH >so and the serial line goes to the wrong state the system will just dieL >with no warning.  It's bad enough that the DS10 can trigger the Omnismart'sL >"run off of batteries" signal, but there's no way to disable that and still6 >retain control of the UPS under normal circumstances. >i
 >Regards,  > 
 >David Mathoge >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu@ >Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech   K That's because it is checking signal levels.  With UPShot and other non-VMSxL incantations of APC's PowerChute, they actually speak the APC "smart" proto-K col (the term "smart" is APC's term; certainly not one I would have electedyJ having worked with this protocol).  As such, there is only the TXD,RXD andK GND signals needed in the cable.  The APC never sees a signal change on thed DTR or any other signal lines.  K APC units speaking the "smart" protocol are informed to shutdown after someeJ preordained period of time after it receives a shutdown sequence.  This isJ not an extremely elaborate command sequence but one I doubt would/could be# random exuded from the serial line.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2001 15:49:07 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg). Subject: Re: powerchute for VMS AXP don't work+ Message-ID: <aaZByRxC7MmY@eisner.decus.org>a  2 > In article <009F6016.D4CBA518@SendSpamHere.ORG>,? system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:a >>M >>I haven't a clue as the to pinouts of the part numbers mentioned.  However, M >>I will cauthion against trying any "standard" cables.  The input on the APCoN >>unit (its 9 pin) is anything but standard.  One fellow I know used a typicalI >>9 pin cable and managed to shutdown his systems and APC in short order.   J I have seen one model of UPS (I can not recall the exact vendor) that usedL some of the pins on the serial connector to output analog diagnostic signalsG for their service people.  The voltages could exceed the tolerances form RS-232 signals.r  9 I would be very careful on verifying the wiring to a UPS.P   -Johnk wb8tyw@qsl.network Only my own opinions   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:14:59 GMTs/ From: StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood)r. Subject: Re: powerchute for VMS AXP don't work0 Message-ID: <3a5f9cab.5387287@news.telocity.com>  @ I can confirm that PowerChute/VMS v1.2 can work with an ES40, atF least, with the correct cable.  It is not one of the cables that shipsF with the UPS however as those are for the "Smart" software.  I reverseE engineered this cable for a lab machine and found there is a resistort@ network which is easily reproduced.  The information is at work,E however, so if you can not find the information elsewhere, I can post  (or email) it Monday.e   Steven  D On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:33:15 GMT, larryrblackwell@my-deja.com wrote:  - >I am trying to get Powerchute of OpenVMS AXPs. >7.2.1 working with no luck. I've read reports- >where it is broke after 7.1 but yet I see it/1 >running on 2 of our installations. Installing itt* >on as AlphaServer DS10. Have followed all' >instructions explicitly (including theJ1 >undocumented 2400 baud) and have tried it on twoc- >different ports. One is the 9pin Serial porto0 >TTA0: and the other is a 25 pin RS232 Port on a* >Digiboard Accele XR. The program seems to2 >communicate when running APCSETUP and if I unplug2 >the serial cable it wants to shutdown the system.1 >However if I unplug the UPS it does not send outu. >warning messages or try to shutdown after the, >interval. I am using the cables sent by APC$ >Part # 940-0039A to the 25 pin Port- >Part # 940-0039A with Part # 940-0029A and ar. >female to female gender changer for the 9 pin) >port. Anybody got any clues? APC doesn'tn >Thanks in advance >p >  >Sent via Deja.com >http://www.deja.com/w   Steven P. Underwood,DNRC Whitinsville,MA  StevenU@POBoxes.coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:35:46 -0800s) From: Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com>b Subject: Re: Retired OldtimersO Message-ID: <A4094A1211033410.50B6F5E2ED335ACC.2926DD903C2106E2@lp.airnews.net>h   Phillip Helbig wrote:e   > In articleF > <0A755A2ED331EF43.7EBE62AABC97BDC2.6AD277ED09AE6DE7@lp.airnews.net>,/ > "Wayne Holland" <wholland@tscnet.com> writes:o >h > Are you THE Wayne Holland?   I'm not sure what you mean?e     >i >lP > >      I retired in 1993 from vax shop.  The last version of vms we were usingI > > was 4.7.  I finally bought a computer and accessed this newsgroup.  IoC > > noticed that DEC no longer exists.  What has the world come to?oP > > Can anybody give me the history of things since 1993 concerning the vms O/S? > J > The ALPHA was introduced at the beginning of the 90s, and VMS was portedJ > to it.  Great job.  VAXen were manufactured until recently and are stillG > supported.  Of course, most folks moved to ALPHA.  VMS is at 7.2-1 oniG > ALPHA and 7.2 on VAX, with 7.3 in field test at the moment.  Although F > already great in 1993, VMS has had a lot of enhancements since then.C > Also around the beginning of the 90s, DEC lost a lot of customersiI > through bad marketing.  DEC was bought by Compaq a couple of years ago.wI > Contrary to expectations, marketing has improved, though it still couldeG > be better.  VMS is not going away.  Apart from traditional areas likedH > stock exchanges, banks, health care etc, VMS is being picked up in newG > areas as well---for example, most mobile phone billing systems run on  > VMS. >e3 > Stay around here and you'll get a lot of answers.g  O I'm reading the threads.  Sounds like things are chaotic for VMS at the moment,s. but maybe thats how newsgroups make it appear.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2001 00:28:10 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) Subject: Re: Retired Oldtimer'+ Message-ID: <wxSbXzAuu1jr@eisner.decus.org>a  { In article <A4094A1211033410.50B6F5E2ED335ACC.2926DD903C2106E2@lp.airnews.net>, Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com> writes:0 > Phillip Helbig wrote:H > 
 >> In articlenG >> <0A755A2ED331EF43.7EBE62AABC97BDC2.6AD277ED09AE6DE7@lp.airnews.net>,u0 >> "Wayne Holland" <wholland@tscnet.com> writes: >> >> Are you THE Wayne Holland?s >  > I'm not sure what you mean?p >   8 	I think he is doing a send-up on the scene in Groundhog9 	Day.  Remember where Bill Murray keeps running into the H8 	insurance salesman?  We are getting closer to Groundhog6 	Day even as I type.  I hope to find a copy this year.4 	Last year I went out and visited about 5 stores and8 	never did find it.  Maybe if I get out early this year,; 	they won't all be gone.  I remember spotting one at TargetpA 	while Christmas shopping.  Shoot, should have picked it up then.    				Robn   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2001 19:42:49 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)G Subject: Re: SPDs, digital.com (was Re: Transaction Server for OpenVMS) 6 Message-ID: <93nmnp$81e$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  G   OpenVMS Engineering has requested that access to the SPDs be restorednI   in various formats, and OpenVMS Engineering is also presently updating ,J   the existing links to digital.com to locations at compaq.com.  (I'll be B   updating the FAQ again, once I am done chasing down the various F   compaq.com relocations, the usual URL rot, and the usual dead links (   that have all been recently reported.)    f In article <3A5F5C15.641E46F6@clarityconnect.com>, "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> writes:H :Don't know what your issue is but all the ACMS SPDs are accessible from$ :http://www5.compaq.com/info/spd/ ie9 :http://www5.compaq.com/info/SP2550/SP2550PF.PDF which isuI :for                                 Compaq ACMS for OpenVMS, Version 4.3t, :(Application Control and Management System) :d+ :fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:R :> aM :> I think there is a problem with the ACMS SPD link in the Compaq homepage -s :> or this product :> is being discontinued ....  :> tG :> Do you know other TP Server instead of ACMS and Tuxedo for OpenVMS ?n :> t
 :> Regards :> t :> FCt :O :-- E :Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NYt1 :	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan / :	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or soe- :	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -u :e   -- iN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:39:33 GMTr3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>r Subject: Re: tcpiptrace / Message-ID: <3A5F5CCB.772AD0F2@cableinet.co.uk>l   Jesper Naur wrote: > 1 > <pa@it.singer-friedlander.com> wrote in messagey% > news:93msb6$5p5$1@nnrp1.deja.com...iG > > Could some explain to me what the output from the tcpiptrace means. 1 > > I have tried it between our VAX and a router.e; > > I have been experimenting with it and get this output :n > >oK > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- E > > TCPIPtrace full display RCV packet 185 at 12-JAN-2001 12:08:28.73u > > E > > IP Version = 4,  IHL = 5,  TOS = 00,   Total Length = 56 = ^x0038a4 > > IP Identifier  = ^xE665,  Flags (0=0,DF=0,MF=0),B > > Fragment Offset = 0 = ^x0000,   Calculated Offset = 0 = ^x0000H > > IP TTL = 252 = ^xFC,  Protocol = 1 = ^x01,  Header Checksum = ^x098A* > > IP Source Address      = 129.100.203.1) > > IP Destination Address = 129.100.1.11e > >l > >i? > > ICMP Type = 5 REDIRECT,   Code = 0 NET,   Checksum = ^x9B62M+ > > ICMP Gateway IP Address = 129.100.202.3  > >- > >-I > > 01CB6481   8A0901FC   000065E6   38000045    0000    E..8.e.......d..iI > > 28020045 | 03CA6481   629B0005 | 0B016481    0010    .d.....b.d..E..( I > > 0603720A   0B016481   2720067E   0000C28A    0020    ....~. '.d...r..eA > >                       86DFE02D   B7061700    0030    ....-... K > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------t >  > Hello. > J > I have reasons to believe, that your VAX has IP address 129.100.1.11 and > that@ > the router has IP address 129.100.203.1. What is happening is,I > that the router 129.100.203.1 has got the idea, that a datagram sent by = > the VAX could be better routed by the router 129.100.202.3. < > The router 129.100.203.1 therefore sends the ICMP REDIRECT@ > packet, to inform the VAX about the better route. The REDIRECT< > packet contains the IP header and the first 8 bytes of theD > original packet, which caused the router to generate the REDIRECT.   Sounds reasonable to me too. h  i [snip]  : > To find out why this happens (there are several possible, > explanations), we must know more about the0 > specific configuration of router 129.100.203.1  F Agreed. I had an issue with ICMP Redirects at a site where the networkF people had upgraded the router configuration without advising my team.H They implemeted a redundant dual router configuration, and UCX 4.1 ECO 9B would eventually die due to a know bug that caused memory leakage.	 Upgradings to 5.0A fixed the problem. n  , btw, much respect for you IP packet anaysis.   >  >  Best regards  >  Jesper Naur   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:29:02 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> + Subject: Re: Transaction Server for OpenVMSo2 Message-ID: <3A5F5C15.641E46F6@clarityconnect.com>  G Don't know what your issue is but all the ACMS SPDs are accessible froma# http://www5.compaq.com/info/spd/ ier8 http://www5.compaq.com/info/SP2550/SP2550PF.PDF which isH for                                 Compaq ACMS for OpenVMS, Version 4.3+ (Application Control and Management System)i  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > L > I think there is a problem with the ACMS SPD link in the Compaq homepage - > or this product  > is being discontinued .... > F > Do you know other TP Server instead of ACMS and Tuxedo for OpenVMS ? > 	 > Regardse >  > FC   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2001 18:51:05 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)Y Subject: Re: TTDRIVER multi-line editing (was Re: VMS wishlist [was Re: Identify que entre6 Message-ID: <93njmp$775$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <93mohd$j1g$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:bI :> Here's a different one:  Ever try to edit a command line entry that's  A :> longer than one line?  You can't back up before the last line." :> aH :> Long ago (10+ years), I asked at the DECUS Symposium about this, and I :> was told that it couldn't be done.  That didn't sit too well with me, i4 :> but, heck, VMS is perfect in every other respect.  F   Without extensive work in the terminal driver, this is not feasible.I   The terminal driver keeps one line, depending on DCL or the applicationo,   to keep track of additional command lines.  G :> Imagine my surprise to discover that Linux does this, and VMS still b :> does not.  *sigh* ..E :I don't think it's a VMS problem per se but rather something like a x :terminal-driver problem.  r  I   No one has yet made a successful case for replacing or overhauling the eG   terminal driver and the cooresponding overhaul of DCL, both of which  I   would likely be involved here.  (Even subtle changes made to either of xH   these two OpenVMS components have a long history of breaking customer    applications.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:04:08 GMTs3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>e/ Subject: Re: uVAX 3100 model80/90 hardware info / Message-ID: <3A5F547D.277EC4BA@cableinet.co.uk>    stevep3989@my-deja.com wrote:d  i@ > The 3100-90 has an internal RRD42 cdrom drive (which is listed > from >>> show dev ). > > > I want install VMS from cd, but haven't managed to load a cdC > into the RRD42. There is a button on the front panel (with a bentu? > arrow symbol), but pressing that doesn't eject the cd tray. I17 > can't see any other way to get a disc into the drive. D > I'm wondering if the drive is faulty? - the green led on the frontA > doesn't flicker at all during system power-up, or subsequently.bG > Is there any way of testing/exercising the drive from the >>> prompt?h  G I remember RRD42's that didn't eject. You could try pressing the buttonl then pulling theD drawer gently towards you, gently, don't break it if it really won't budge.   >  > Grateful for any pointers, > * > Regards, Steve Percival (Cambridge, UK). >  > Sent via Deja.coma > http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:33:23 +0000 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>-/ Subject: Re: uVAX 3100 model80/90 hardware infor' Message-ID: <3A604B13.63DB6606@iee.org>a   Tim Llewellyn wrote:I > I remember RRD42's that didn't eject. You could try pressing the buttond > then pulling theF > drawer gently towards you, gently, don't break it if it really won't > budge.  < Slightly to the right of that button with the arrow above it9 is a little hole just the right size to poke in an unbent-8 paperclip. Poke in aforementioned clip and the CD should perform an emergency eject.l  8 Most CD drives I have seen have an identical mechanism -0 the manual for my workstation even has a diagram. that shows you how to unbend the paperclip :-)   Antonioy   -- x   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orge   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2001 10:55:02 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)d< Subject: Re: Virus scanning on VMS (was Re: OpenVMS on CNET), Message-ID: <gmnABSrtZdkw@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  - In article <3A5F5813.C63F8A81@videotron.ca>, p3     JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:h   > O > And when you have a wintel box on your desk, your wintel box is actually more S > susceptible to viruses when it is served by a VMS server than by a winter server:t > N > -are there CURRENT tools for wintel virus detection that run on VMS-alpha to > scan any emails etc ?7 >   D     We use Sophos Anti-Virus for this ( in conjunction with PMDF ).   M > -when a virus epidemic does break out, how quickly do such tools appear for ! > VMS servers vs Wintel servers ?a >   P     It's been my experience that Sophos is at least as fast as McAfee at gettingN new virus identities released. I have an automated procedure set up here whichN automatically downloads new virus identities every few hours. I'm not aware ofJ any virus outbreaks since we installed Sophos where they didn't release anH identity file for it pretty quickly. We've only gotten hit once since weL started scanning, that was with ILOVEYOU ( I got the update to trap this oneT before reports of it hit the media but we'd already had a system infected by then ).   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.025 ************************