0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 15 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 29      Contents:, Re: 7820 w/CI based disks and tapes for sale, Re: 7820 w/CI based disks and tapes for sale$ BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS? Re: C and OpenVMS 7 4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution/ Re: DECNet dyslexia (was: Re: Version dyslexia) / Re: DECNet dyslexia (was: Re: Version dyslexia) # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again # Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again  On  the lighter side Variables in DCL Re: Variables in DCL Re: Variables in DCL Re: Variables in DCL5 Re: what is the latest version for netscape on VMS... G Re: [Change subject] percentage of world's processing on "mainframes" ? G Re: [Change subject] percentage of world's processing on "mainframes" ? G Re: [Change subject] percentage of world's processing on "mainframes" ? G Re: [Change subject] percentage of world's processing on "mainframes" ? G Re: [Change subject] percentage of world's processing on "mainframes" ? G Re: [Change subject] percentage of world's processing on "mainframes" ? 6 Re: [Q] Which model Exabyte in TKZ09 and TKZ15 drives?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:07:13 GMT + From: John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net> 5 Subject: Re: 7820 w/CI based disks and tapes for sale > Message-ID: <MPG.14cc0997fcae54e49896b6@news.bellatlantic.net>  ? In article <3A61DD0F.23954836@Omond.net>, Roy@Omond.net says...  > Dave Pampreen wrote: > G > > Oops, sorry....30 minutes North of Detroit Michigan in Auburn Hills  >  > *sheesh* ... > B > Is that 30 minutes walking or 30 minutes Spacestation flight ???   In MOTOWN?  It must be driving.    P.S. ;-)   --   John Santos    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:39:37 GMT ; From: "Stuart R. Fuller" <stu@c49395-a.wodhvn1.mi.home.com> 5 Subject: Re: 7820 w/CI based disks and tapes for sale / Message-ID: <p0ot39.j92.ln@momsys.fuller.local>   , John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net> wrote:A : In article <3A61DD0F.23954836@Omond.net>, Roy@Omond.net says...  :> Dave Pampreen wrote:  :>  H :> > Oops, sorry....30 minutes North of Detroit Michigan in Auburn Hills :>   :> *sheesh* ...  :>  C :> Is that 30 minutes walking or 30 minutes Spacestation flight ???   ! : In MOTOWN?  It must be driving.   
 : P.S. ;-)  A In that area of Detroit, it's not driving - it's traffic jamming.    ps: Specifically no ;-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:06:36 -0500 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>- Subject: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS? + Message-ID: <3A62855C.BFF86F4F@rtfmcsi.com>   @ I curious about something and maybe somebody here can satisfy myE curiosity.  I know that Block Buster Video uses OpenVMS - you can see G the VT terminals in all of their retail stores and a friend of mine who F used to work at one of their stores opened up a locked cabinet where aE uVAX 3100 system was housed.  Very recently a new BJ's Warehouse Club H opened up in our area and I went in to see if they had any bulk packagesD of products that I could not find at the Sam's Warehouse club that IG usually shop at.  While at the member services desk I notices that they @ were performing all of their club membership account maintenance- activities on VT terminals (VT500s, I think).   G Anyway, I know that seeing VT terminals does not guarantee that OpenVMS G is being used, but it usually is a tell tale sign that OpenVMS is being  used.   G Does anybody know if BJ's is using OpenVMS to run some portion of their  operations?      TIA,   Chuck  -- Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager7                                   8007740718@skytel.com    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jan 2001 18:11 PST ) From: rankin@eql.caltech.edu (Pat Rankin)  Subject: Re: C and OpenVMS 7/ Message-ID: <14JAN200118111355@eql.caltech.edu>   6 In article <pRi86.1230$EO3.4536391@nnrp2.proxad.net>,\1  "Tamahome" <xavpaul@chello.fr.NO.SPAM> writes...  > So there is the code:  [...] ( >     fichier=fopen (nom_fichier, "wt"); [...] L > This function works perfectly on MS DOS (with Borland Compiler). Moreover,M > i've no warning (and so no error), when i compile and link...But when i use H > this function, i've always have the "Error" message, as if the pointer% > return NULL when doing the fopen...  > 4 > Have i to add the ";1" or else in the #define ???? > F > if somebody could explain me why it don't work, i would be happy ^_^  8      You did not mention which C compiler you are using.7 If it is VAX C, which has been obsolete for quite a few ; years but is still fairly widely used, then this would fail 9 because its run-time library does not support an explicit ; "t" in the open mode.  If you change from "wt" to just "w", : it will create the file in text mode.  Or if you switch to; Compaq C--which used to be known as DEC C--the library used ; with that does support the "t" specification and "wt" would : work as expected.  There's also the VAXC2DECC library, but1 I think I'll skip any attempt to explain that....   <      For future reference, describing your system as "VMS 7"8 is nearly useless because it omits too much information.; The value of 'x' in V7.x is very significant, and so is VAX  vs Alpha architecture.  2                 Pat Rankin, rankin@eql.caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:25:14 -0500 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution ( Message-ID: <93t1o8$kgs$1@pyrite.mv.net>  4 Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageH news:910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284C01@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net... > Bill,  > I > >>>> It's clearly FUD at least in the sense that a company can deploy a ? > 32-processor box and choose *not* to tie it into its existing G > domain-structured NT company directory structure but just allow it to : > communicate as an outsider and manage it separately. <<< > L > You mean like a separate NT4 domain. Sure, and some other group can do the1 > same thing ie setup their own active directory.  > K > What was W2K biggest advantage? Getting rid of all those separate domains  > and trusts in NT4.  G The problem is, you want to have it both ways, and that's where the FUD E comes in.  On the one hand, you assert that migrating to Win2K Active H Directory is a major integration effort, which may well be true.  On theH other, you say (in the history quoted below) that this means that peopleE won't embrace Win2K Datacenter 32-processor IA boxes because doing so I requires that integration effort:  that's false if they can associate the H new boxes with the existing NT4 domain structure without adopting Active Directory wholesale.  L So the two issues are almost completely unrelated, rather than tied togetherJ as you asserted - which is why I termed that association FUD.  Whether theK benefits of a corporate-wide move to Active Directory justify its migration F costs seems to be a decision a corporation can make independent of itsF decision to make use of the new Datacenter boxes that, at least in rawL hardware capability, indeed pose a threat to traditional higher-end systems.   - bill   > I > Unfortunately, unless a company has a very centralized IT organization, L > getting the security, UNIX, email admins and all the LAN admins from thoseL > separate existing NT4 domains to agree on a common strategy is not an easy > task.  > # > You can call it FUD all you want.  > G > However, you clearly do not yet understand the internal politics of a  large I > company trying to standardize on a single directory on ANY platform ie.  the J > issues are not about technology and it is not a direct reflection on MS. > 
 > Regards, >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > Compaq Canada Inc. > Professional Services  > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >  >  > -----Original Message-----. > From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@foo.mv.com]  > Sent: January 13, 2001 3:30 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ? > Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution  >  >  > 6 > Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageJ > news:910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284C00@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net... > > JF,  > > 1 > > Hey - what are you doing email on a Sat for ?  > >  > > :-)  > > K > > >>> But they consolidate of Compaq's premier product, that 32 processor @ > > wintel box made by someone else or with Proliant clusters.>> > > I > > So, do you think a Customer is going to risk their career (and server I > > consolidation projects are career make/break projects) on a brand new G > > platform that requires an active directory design to be implemented 	 > company K > > wide (which includes getting UNIX and security dept's agreement) before 	 > > hand?  > F > This is yet one more assertion you keep making to the point of beingL > tiresome.  At least you don't capitalize it, as you're prone to with some. > D > It's clearly FUD at least in the sense that a company can deploy a? > 32-processor box and choose *not* to tie it into its existing G > domain-structured NT company directory structure but just allow it to H > communicate as an outsider and manage it separately.  And it would notH > surprise me if it were possible to include it in an existing NT domainJ > structure as a non-directory-server node (i.e., like a Win2K workstation can F > be) - at least I'm not ready to take your unsupported and distinctly biasedK > word that it isn't, given the unreliability of some of your past slams at  > the competition. > H > JF has adequately addressed the rest, so I won't.  If you and your ilk spent K > anywhere nearly as much energy trying to change the way Compaq treats VMS  asL > you do perpetually trying to convince us that better times are just around6 > the corner, there might be more reason for optimism. >  > - bill >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:01:35 -0000 9 From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOTbutcherATxdeltaDOTcoDOTuk> 8 Subject: Re: DECNet dyslexia (was: Re: Version dyslexia)A Message-ID: <979502481.15089.0.nnrp-12.9e98f8e9@news.demon.co.uk>   K You want to end up with DECnet-Plus V7.2-1-ECO02 for OpenVMS VAX V7.2 (plus # whatever patches you apply to VMS).   K As I understand it (and as it's working on my VAX VMS V7.2 system) you need ' the following in order to achieve this:   H 1) DECnet-Plus V7.2-1 kit for OpenVMS VAX V7.2 - this was on the layered$ product CD set (try March 2000 set).  L 2) DECnet-Plus V7.2-1 ECO02 kit (which supercedes the ECO01 kit in the usual3 manner) - download from the usual patches FTP site.   L I believe that the DECnet-Plus V7.2-1 kit was issued for OpenVMS VAX V7.2 inK order to maintain compatability with the DECnet-Plus V7.2-1 kit for OpenVMS I Alpha V7.2-1, then the ECOs match thereafter for both VAX and Alpha. That F way there's probably a single code stream and it gets built for eitherI platform, rather than having a V7.2 code stream for VAX and a V7.2-1 code H stream for Alpha. I don't know what happens to OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 as I'mJ running V7.2-1, but I'd hope that the DECnet-Plus V7.2-1 kit would installG on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 and that the ECOs would apply as in the VAX case.   I The 'error' is that the V7.2-1 kit for VAX wasn't made available from the L usual patches FTP site, only on the layered product CD set. So, if you don'tK receive the layered product CDs you won't have the base DECnet-Plus kit you + need in order to apply the issued ECO kits.    Hope this helps. Colin # (colinDOTbutcherATxdeltaDOTcoDOTuk)    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:19:59 GMT + From: John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net> 8 Subject: Re: DECNet dyslexia (was: Re: Version dyslexia)> Message-ID: <MPG.14cc0c9adad4ba0e9896b7@news.bellatlantic.net>  I In article <979502481.15089.0.nnrp-12.9e98f8e9@news.demon.co.uk>, "Colin  4 Butcher" <colinDOTbutcherATxdeltaDOTcoDOTuk> says...M > You want to end up with DECnet-Plus V7.2-1-ECO02 for OpenVMS VAX V7.2 (plus % > whatever patches you apply to VMS).  > M > As I understand it (and as it's working on my VAX VMS V7.2 system) you need ) > the following in order to achieve this:  > J > 1) DECnet-Plus V7.2-1 kit for OpenVMS VAX V7.2 - this was on the layered& > product CD set (try March 2000 set).  H Just one problem.  I can't do this.  I don't have the CD LP set.  I haveI TK50 distribution.  I am under contract.  I never received it.  Are they  8 screwing those of us who still have to live with TK50's?  N > 2) DECnet-Plus V7.2-1 ECO02 kit (which supercedes the ECO01 kit in the usual5 > manner) - download from the usual patches FTP site.  > N > I believe that the DECnet-Plus V7.2-1 kit was issued for OpenVMS VAX V7.2 inM > order to maintain compatability with the DECnet-Plus V7.2-1 kit for OpenVMS K > Alpha V7.2-1, then the ECOs match thereafter for both VAX and Alpha. That H > way there's probably a single code stream and it gets built for eitherK > platform, rather than having a V7.2 code stream for VAX and a V7.2-1 code J > stream for Alpha. I don't know what happens to OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 as I'mL > running V7.2-1, but I'd hope that the DECnet-Plus V7.2-1 kit would installI > on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 and that the ECOs would apply as in the VAX case.  > K > The 'error' is that the V7.2-1 kit for VAX wasn't made available from the N > usual patches FTP site, only on the layered product CD set. So, if you don'tM > receive the layered product CDs you won't have the base DECnet-Plus kit you - > need in order to apply the issued ECO kits.   ( Even though I'm paying for MDDS on TK50?   > Hope this helps. > Colin % > (colinDOTbutcherATxdeltaDOTcoDOTuk)   C Did anyone with a Software Support contract on DECNet-VAX with TK50 " MDDS receive a V7.2-1 DECnet tape?  F (I wouldn't mind a CD distribution of layered products actually, sinceJ I can mount the CD's on an MSCP-served CD-ROM drive on one of my Alphas.  6 This works fine for layered products, but not for VMS  installation/upgrade.)   --   John Santos    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:22:15 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> , Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again, Message-ID: <3A61FC63.FAD0B4C5@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: , > Ummm, eBay-speak for 99.99 percent uptime?  N Her president appeared on CNN not too long ago and mentioned 99% uptime in theM last quarter. No definition of what "99% uptime" is, but I suspect that it is M "99% of scheduled uptime". So if they bring down machine a few hours per week 6 intentionally on a scheduled basis, it wouldn't count.  H I still remember my second summer job. They had just gotten a big AmdhalL mainframe and the local managers made a presentation to the staff about whatN it would mean. They said that Amdhal had garanteed 99% uptime. I asked what itJ meant and got laughed at ! (When a hardware manufacturer claims 99% uptimeM without specifying what OS is going to run on it, the claim becomes dubious).    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jan 2001 11:28:19 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again- Message-ID: <87wvbxa3zg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  M > featuring the BSOD... ads telling customers that they'd better upgrade from 8 > WinNT to Win2K 'cuz it's 13 times more reliable?   ;-}  	 He, he...   ; Go to either the Reg or slashdot. Look at the Delphi story.   / They have just dropped W2K from a great height.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:01:26 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>, Subject: Re: Ebay dead as a post - yet again= Message-ID: <qCu86.13457$BI2.3834078@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>a  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagea' news:87wvbxa3zg.fsf@prep.synonet.com... 8 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >bJ > > featuring the BSOD... ads telling customers that they'd better upgrade from: > > WinNT to Win2K 'cuz it's 13 times more reliable?   ;-} >s > He, he...  >e= > Go to either the Reg or slashdot. Look at the Delphi story.e >g1 > They have just dropped W2K from a great height.a  E It panes me to say this, but Windows dropped from great heights oftenhH shatter. Bad Puns aside, I've found Win2K to be infinitely more reliableL than the virus known as Windows 98. No BSODs, but I have to reboot every day or so because of memory leaks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:49:12 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>p Subject: On  the lighter sidee, Message-ID: <3A621ECA.654C541B@videotron.ca>  J A whole collection of Microsoft cartoons. But to show just how much of theL internet is controlled by Microsoft, even the cartoons against microsoft are( hosted on a microsoft server :-( :-( :-(  % http://cagle.slate.msn.com/microsoft/o   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:16:47 GMT " From: Tom Gee <gemtoo@hotmail.com> Subject: Variables in DCLg+ Message-ID: <3A622496.67B2F0D7@hotmail.com>l  H Got a bit tricky problem with DCL, can't find out how to solve it... I'm@ trying to write a DCL command procedure where another DCL COM is@ written, and this COM finally creates a third one. I have to useE variables that can be resolved in a different environment and after aMG certain time in the second COM. It seems hard to write the first COM so-H that the variables come in a right way to the second and third COMs. The! problem occurs e.g. in this line:1  D $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ if f$loc(""''STRING_2'"", STRING_1) .ne. f$len(STRING_1) """ ! <--  C How should I write it to get the STRING_2 variable correctly in thea  second COM, something like this:  G $ write OUT_2 "$ if f$loc(''STRING_2', STRING_1) .ne. f$len(STRING_1) "y    E This example doesn't necessarily do anything reasonable, it's just to  make clear the problem:    N6>ty composvms.comi $! set noverifyn $ set verify $ STRING_1 = "123ABCDEF" $ open/write OUT_1 TEST_1.COMt $ $ $ write OUT_1 "$ STRING_2 = ""ABC""" $t- $ write OUT_1 "$ open/write OUT_2 TEST_2.COM" ? $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ write sys$output """"STRING_1:  ''STRING_1'"""" """h? $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ write sys$output """"STRING_2:g ''STRING_2'"""" """DA $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ STRING_1 = """"456ABCHIJ"""" """  $bD $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ if f$loc(""''STRING_2'"", STRING_1) .ne. f$len(STRING_1) """ ! <--) $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ then """tG $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$     write sys$output """"Found"""" """d* $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ endif """ $w $ write OUT_1 "$ close OUT_2" 
 $ close OUT_1C $ type TEST_1.COMo	 $ @TEST_1  $ type TEST_2.COM  $ exit  
 N6>@composvmss $! set noverifyt $ set verify $ STRING_1 = "123ABCDEF" $ open/write OUT_1 TEST_1.COM  $l$ $ write OUT_1 "$ STRING_2 = ""ABC""" $h- $ write OUT_1 "$ open/write OUT_2 TEST_2.COM"b? $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ write sys$output """"STRING_1:  123ABCDEF"""" """ H $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ write sys$output """"STRING_2: """" """  A $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ STRING_1 = """"456ABCHIJ"""" """d $ > $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ if f$loc("""", STRING_1) .ne. f$len(STRING_1) """ ! <-- ) $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ then """CG $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$     write sys$output """"Found"""" """ * $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ endif """ $v $ write OUT_1 "$ close OUT_2"e
 $ close OUT_10 $ type TEST_1.COM  $ STRING_2 = "ABC" $ open/write OUT_2 TEST_2.COM ; $ write OUT_2 "$ write sys$output ""STRING_1: 123ABCDEF"" " 2 $ write OUT_2 "$ write sys$output ""STRING_2: "" "+ $ write OUT_2 "$ STRING_1 = ""456ABCHIJ"" "m> $ write OUT_2 "$ if f$loc("", STRING_1) .ne. f$len(STRING_1) " $ write OUT_2 "$ then "01 $ write OUT_2 "$     write sys$output ""Found"" "2 $ write OUT_2 "$ endif "
 $ close OUT_2a	 $ @TEST_1a $ STRING_2 = "ABC" $ open/write OUT_2 TEST_2.COM ; $ write OUT_2 "$ write sys$output ""STRING_1: 123ABCDEF"" ".2 $ write OUT_2 "$ write sys$output ""STRING_2: "" "+ $ write OUT_2 "$ STRING_1 = ""456ABCHIJ"" "n> $ write OUT_2 "$ if f$loc("", STRING_1) .ne. f$len(STRING_1) " $ write OUT_2 "$ then "a1 $ write OUT_2 "$     write sys$output ""Found"" "e $ write OUT_2 "$ endif "
 $ close OUT_2  $ type TEST_2.COM;( $ write sys$output "STRING_1: 123ABCDEF" $ write sys$output "STRING_2: "o $ STRING_1 = "456ABCHIJ", $ if f$loc(", STRING_1) .ne. f$len(STRING_1) $ then $     write sys$output "Found" $ endifn $ exit     Grateful for any help,   Tomi   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:36:04 -0600d7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>o Subject: Re: Variables in DCL - Message-ID: <3A625404.A85D8E4A@earthlink.net>y   Tom Gee wrote: > G > Got a bit tricky problem with DCL, can't find out how to solve it... o > [snip] > Grateful for any help, >  > Toma  F Sorry, Tom, but without more specifics on the problem you're trying toC solve by this approach, this is just so much incomprehensible code.n   That said, ...  F > $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ if f$loc(""''STRING_2'"", STRING_1)  > .ne. f$len(STRING_1) """ ! <-- > E > How should I write it to get the STRING_2 variable correctly in thea" > second COM, something like this: >   H ...'bout the only thing I can suggest is to use more discreet strings in the WRITE statement:  1 $ WRITE target string_1, string_2, string_3, etc.g  G ...and do less (or no) symbol substitution in the WRITE statement. ThatME is, know what you're going to WRITE by the time you're ready to WRITE0 it.0  G I frequently get into such fixes by making my own code incomprehensibletD - even to me! To fix it, I usually end up simplifying and making the logic more straight-forward.  H This was important because I once developed some backup automation for aG 24x7 shop that consisted of 44 separate procedures, 4600 lines of code. G It handled shadow-set splits, mirror-set splits, volume-sets and "live"eF backups. All the operators had to do was take tapes out of the jukebox and put tapes in.    --   David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:51:53 -0500t From: stan@stanq.com Subject: Re: Variables in DCLu. Message-ID: <3A621169.15660.6B76184@localhost>   Tom Gee wrote: > G > Got a bit tricky problem with DCL, can't find out how to solve it... e > [snip] > Grateful for any help,  D Since you're writing a DCL script (call it #1) which writes another F (#2), which writes another (#3), the only way to proceed is to decide 0 what that ultimate script (#3) should look like.  8 Any variations in script #3 would be coded in script #2.  8 Any variations in script #2 would be coded in script #1.  F Avoid any kind of cross-coupling, especially between scripts 1 and 3. @ Otherwise, you'll have a totally unsupportable hunk of DCL code.  C You can avoid some problems.  Let's suppose you want to do this in n
 script #3:  
 	$ x = "FRED"g/ 	$ write sys$output "This was executed by ''x'"   " Instead, you should write this as:  
 	$ x = "FRED"e/ 	$ write sys$output "This was executed by " + x   D Otherwise, you'll be trying to quote a quote of a quote by the time E you get to script #1.  You could create a symbol in script #2 called e QUOTE like this:   	$ QUOTE="'"  % Then, you could do this in script #1:p  # 	$ write <output#1> "$ QUOTE=""'""" = 	$ write <output#1> "$ write <output#2> ""$ x = """"FRED"""""yA 	$ write <output#1> "$ write <output#2> ""$ write sys$output" + -lA       """""This was executed by """" + QUOTE + QUOTE + ""x""" + -M       " + QUOTE + """"".  B As you can see, it gets ugly fast.  I try not to go past 2 levels  myself.    Anyway, good luck.       --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671c1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147d= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comh   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:59:19 -0500b- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r Subject: Re: Variables in DCLk, Message-ID: <3A626783.79B12166@videotron.ca>  H One way to get what you want to do is for the first procedure to write aL "neutral" procedure which is then called by all subsequent procedures to set the symbol values.  
 for instance:l   MAIN.COM $BELLY == "FULL OF LINT"  $OPEN/WRITE TEST "MYSYMBOLS.COM"# $WRITE TEST "BELLY == ""''BELLY'"""u $CLOSE TESTt $@SECOND.COM $EXIT   
 SECOND.COM $@MYSYMBOLS.COM  $SPAWN @THIRD.COMo  	 THIRD.COM  $@MYSYMBOLS.COM  $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT BELLY       J You could pass the name of the created command procedure as a parameter toM each procedure, this way, you could have multiple "symbols" files that can bet passed to the procedures.n   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jan 2001 13:58:33 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.463150.killspam.00ba (Wayne Sewell) > Subject: Re: what is the latest version for netscape on VMS.... Message-ID: <DXLvNJIUyzTH@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  [ In article <93pmh9$gmi$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:iF > ....and where can it be downloaded?  If it is still 3.03, when will  > something newer come along?  > ; > Due to lack of news access at the moment, please email toc > helbig@man.ac.uk as well.   N Well, they keep coming out with new versions of mozilla, which will eventuallyN become a netscape replacement.  The biggest problem is that there is never anyN security stuff, i.e. it can't make a https: connection.  That makes it uselessN as a main browser.  It's great for farting around, but you can't dump netscapeM yet, old as it is.  They keep saying the security support is coming, but it's1. never there when you look at the next version.     --  O ===============================================================================sM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx7: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)dO ===============================================================================sB Cute Girl, to Curly: "Oh, what a beautiful head of bone you have!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:28:22 -0500u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>oP Subject: Re: [Change subject] percentage of world's processing on "mainframes" ?, Message-ID: <3A61FDD1.694270AF@videotron.ca>   Roy Omond wrote:H > ????  Why on earth would it be a terrible indicator ?  It's not at all@ > relevant whether it exists or not for mainframes (whatever theB > definition of mainframe).  The question is quite simple:  is the@ > processing being done for SETI a significant percentage of the@ > total processing being done in the world (and in particular isB > it high enough such that the old chestnut "more than half of the; > world's processing is still being performed by mainframesh: > (occasionally: "by Cobol applications")" *really* true ?  L Consider all the CPU power that is used by young (and not so young) kids whoL play all those fancy games with 3D animations, real-time rendering, and manyM networked through the internet. Consider the CPU power use by all those CISCO9D routers and Sun DNS, NEWS, EMAIL, WEB systems that run the internet.  L Consider that the average PC owned by some teenage guy has more CPU power inN it than most alphas currently in production. (Because the teenage guy wants toI play the latest and greatest games, he absolutely MUST have te latest and.K greatest PC, so he will do everything to convince parents to buy a new PC).p
 CPU != IO.  M Consider that most corporations have moved a lot of the applications from thenO mainframe to the fleet of NT servers and workstations throughout their company.   M Consider the sheer amount of CPU power needed to just type a simple letter inrR MS-WORD ! That alone must be orders of magnitudes greater than what mainframes do.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:41:09 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>P Subject: Re: [Change subject] percentage of world's processing on "mainframes" ?< Message-ID: <phn86.63414$1t.2970737@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3A61FDD1.694270AF@videotron.ca... <snip>K > Consider that the average PC owned by some teenage guy has more CPU powerM inG > it than most alphas currently in production. (Because the teenage guya wants toK > play the latest and greatest games, he absolutely MUST have te latest andmH > greatest PC, so he will do everything to convince parents to buy a new PC). > CPU != IO.  J Given the current state of the PC market, the teenage guy needs to improve his negotiating skills!7   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:29:12 +0000l From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> P Subject: Re: [Change subject] percentage of world's processing on "mainframes" ?) Message-ID: <3A622839.F3143C61@Omond.net>    JF Mezei wrote:d   > Roy Omond wrote:J > > ????  Why on earth would it be a terrible indicator ?  It's not at allB > > relevant whether it exists or not for mainframes (whatever theD > > definition of mainframe).  The question is quite simple:  is theB > > processing being done for SETI a significant percentage of theB > > total processing being done in the world (and in particular isD > > it high enough such that the old chestnut "more than half of the= > > world's processing is still being performed by mainframes < > > (occasionally: "by Cobol applications")" *really* true ? >aN > Consider all the CPU power that is used by young (and not so young) kids whoN > play all those fancy games with 3D animations, real-time rendering, and manyO > networked through the internet. Consider the CPU power use by all those CISCOdF > routers and Sun DNS, NEWS, EMAIL, WEB systems that run the internet. >eN > Consider that the average PC owned by some teenage guy has more CPU power inP > it than most alphas currently in production. (Because the teenage guy wants toK > play the latest and greatest games, he absolutely MUST have te latest anduM > greatest PC, so he will do everything to convince parents to buy a new PC).  > CPU != IO. >dO > Consider that most corporations have moved a lot of the applications from themQ > mainframe to the fleet of NT servers and workstations throughout their company.d >rO > Consider the sheer amount of CPU power needed to just type a simple letter inaT > MS-WORD ! That alone must be orders of magnitudes greater than what mainframes do.  T Right, so in a word, "is more than 50% of the total processing today being performed byC "mainframes"", then the answer is obviously and unequivocally "NO".d  S So let's put that old chestnut to eternal sleep.   Restat in pace, castagnie senilen ;-)<  	 Roy Omondm Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2001 19:51:49 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)eP Subject: Re: [Change subject] percentage of world's processing on "mainframes" ?* Message-ID: <93thj5$qgq$1@lisa.gemair.com>  K In article <3A61CF76.C6101CD4@Omond.net>, Roy Omond  <Roy@Omond.net> wrote:  >Jordan Henderson wrote: >5N >> In article <3A61752B.E2E1839E@Omond.net>, Roy Omond  <Roy@Omond.net> wrote: >> >S >> >Hmm... just a thought.  Is this really still true (that over 50% of the world's-/ >> >processing is still done on "mainframes") ?: >> >Q >> >Just take as an example the SETI project.  I just checked a couple of minutesaK >> >ago, and in the last 24 hours, more than 1117 CPU *years* (611,849 SETIeG >> >work units) were performed.  Admittedly on a multitude of differentsD >> >platforms (including 15 from me on VMS :-).  Anyone any idea how4 >> >much of the world's processing this represents ? >> > >>I >> The SETI project would be a terrible indicator of the total processingsJ >> among the world for generalized processing for several reasons.  First,H >> is there even a SETI client available for mainframes?  If there is, IG >> bet it's not well known.  Secondly, MOST machines in the project areoC >> home or academic machines over which people have a great deal ofbG >> discretion on what can be run there.  Most mainframe shops would not = >> _allow_ such a thing to be run, even if it were available.  >-G >????  Why on earth would it be a terrible indicator ?  It's not at allr? >relevant whether it exists or not for mainframes (whatever thegA >definition of mainframe).  The question is quite simple:  is the ? >processing being done for SETI a significant percentage of thee? >total processing being done in the world (and in particular ismA >it high enough such that the old chestnut "more than half of theg: >world's processing is still being performed by mainframes9 >(occasionally: "by Cobol applications")" *really* true ?g >o  . OK.  Well, I see where we're coming from here.  G When someone touts a statistic like 'over 50% of the world's processing,F is still done on "mainframes"', they are typically discounting all theF idle cycles, the POV ray experiments by teenagers and, sorry yes, even SETI distributed processing.  G We're also discounting all the processing done by TiVo boxes, microwaveiE ovens and garage door openers.  We're only looking at general purposetE computing environments doing work that the big computer companies arer# trying to hit with their marketing.   1 Not many people _buy_ computers just to run SETI."  A >> In any case, I think you may be thinking in terms of available D >> processing power and not actual processing performed.  I'm alwaysE >> amazed at the fact that I now carry around some 30x more CPU powereB >> than was available at my University's computing center 20 yearsE >> ago, but I'm actually only doing a tiny fraction of the processingi >> that was performed there. > F >I'm not at all thinking in terms of available processing power; quite: >the contrary, only the actual processing being performed. >_
 >Roy Omond >Blue Bubble Ltd.$ >i   -Jordan Hendersons jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jan 2001 11:26:10 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>P Subject: Re: [Change subject] percentage of world's processing on "mainframes" ?- Message-ID: <871yu5binh.fsf@prep.synonet.com>N  1 jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:$  I > When someone touts a statistic like 'over 50% of the world's processingtH > is still done on "mainframes"', they are typically discounting all theH > idle cycles, the POV ray experiments by teenagers and, sorry yes, even > SETI distributed processing.  E You also need to be carefull to specify exactly what your measure is."  J What is the king of HTTP servers? By number, it is Apache. By bytes served$ or by pages, IBM 390s are way ahead.   -- M< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda."@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:07:29 -0500T- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>2P Subject: Re: [Change subject] percentage of world's processing on "mainframes" ?, Message-ID: <3A62858F.4CBABEEB@videotron.ca>   Paul Repacholi wrote:$L > What is the king of HTTP servers? By number, it is Apache. By bytes served& > or by pages, IBM 390s are way ahead.  K Out of curiosity (really), are there any famous web sites whose web serversu operate on S390 systems?  G I.E. Where netcraft would identify the web server as running S390/MVS ?G   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:53:21 +0100w* From: "Rob Turk" <rob.turk@gelrevision.nl>? Subject: Re: [Q] Which model Exabyte in TKZ09 and TKZ15 drives?n+ Message-ID: <93t74m$16qm$1@thor.wirehub.nl>i  2 "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515". <Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU> wrote in message- news:zPsaO9GBTquW@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu...U2 > In article <87zogzk3x7.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>,4 >     Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: > [...]u@ > > You may need the 'right' FW for the 8505. I seem to rememberB > > people muttering about 'issues' with 8505s for a month or two. >t >         Interesting... >"= > > Colorado no help? Are there any Cronic people left there?n > J >         I don't know, haven't tried that  avenue yet since we don't haveJ >     HW  support.   We do have software support, but I'd assumed the  HSCJ >     software stuff wasn't covered (for various reasons).  I'll  see  how >     far I get with Colorado. >3 >         Thanks, Keni > --/ >  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet:l Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Eduo< >  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924< >  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515L >  ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----D >  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   Ken,  L If you're sure that an EXB-8500 is supported, you can make your 8505 presentG itself as an 8500. The way to do this is to load an 'ee-image' into thetG drive. The ee-image is like a personality module which switches several K features on or off. If you have access to a DOS PC with a SCSI adapter, you_I can use Exabyte's EXPERT utility to upload a new ee-image, as well as then latest and greatest firmware.g  K Go to the support pages, download, firmware and get the misc set of images. H It contains every flavor of image you might want. 8SE-0226 seems to be a good start.e   Rob Turk. (Ex-Exabyte employee and author of Expert 7.x)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.029 ************************