0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 16 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 32      Contents:$ Re: Alpha OVMS 7.2.1 Backup and TZ88 Re: Answerbacks  Re: Answerbacks  Re: Answerbacks $ Any SYSTEL users/managers out there?( Re: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS?( Re: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS?( RE: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS?( RE: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS?( Re: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS?( Re: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS? Re: BMC PAtrol still used?& Board Quiz: System Industries QS 1000? Re: C and OpenVMS 7  Re: C and OpenVMS 7  C code to get file ACL Re: C code to get file ACL Re: C code to get file ACL Re: C code to get file ACL Re: C code to get file ACL	 CMS Query 
 Re: CMS Query 4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution( Converting VMS System time to unix epoch, Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epoch, Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epoch, Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epoch, Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epoch, Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epoch, Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epoch, Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epoch Re: Dead VAXstation 3100 Re: dec 3000 300 crashing + Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry..... + Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry..... + Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry..... + Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry..... + Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry..... + Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry..... ) Re: For the FAQ. Setting DECW resolutions  Free Cobol Compiler... Re: GS160 hardware question  Re: GS160 hardware question  Re: GS160 hardware question  Re: HIghest file version Re: HIghest file version Re: HIghest file version HOWTO: Mounting device RE: HOWTO: Mounting device Re: HOWTO: Mounting device- Re: HW collection (was Re: Dec 3000 300 help) 
 Re: lib$Spawn 	 lib$Spawn 
 Re: lib$Spawn 3 Re: License - Dec C for OpenVMS AXP and broken link  Re: Mhz of a Alpha CPU? , Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc., Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc., Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc., Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc., Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc., Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc., Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc. Re: no video output from a 3100  Oldtimers response Re: Oldtimers response* Re: OpenVMS Volume Management (On the fly)* Re: OpenVMS Volume Management (On the fly) OpenVMS x AS-400 RE: OpenVMS x AS-400# Problems to add a DS20 to a cluster  Re: Run .com Every 5 Min?  Re: select() on VMS  Re: select() on VMS  Re: select() on VMS ( Re: Setup OPCOM console under DecWindowsP Re: TTDRIVER multi-line editing (was Re: VMS wishlist [was Re: Identify que entr Re: Variables in DCL Re: Variables in DCL Vax 7830 or 7730 Re: Vax 7830 or 7730 Re: Vax 7830 or 7730. Re: VAXSHAD07_071 ECO problem with Show Device' Re: VMS performance data in HTML format 9 Re: VMS scheduling products - what are people using today 9 Re: VMS scheduling products - what are people using today 9 RE: VMS scheduling products - what are people using today  Re: VMS verses the Web Re: VMS verses the Web Re: VMS verses the Web? you are elite in computer? goto find some part-time job in here   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:20:16 +0100 9 From: "Michel Herrscher Consultant" <michel@herrscher.fr> - Subject: Re: Alpha OVMS 7.2.1 Backup and TZ88 % Message-ID: <940sr8$54n$1@wanadoo.fr>   # It works and store more than 35 GB.    Thanks you all for your help. ' Hope I can do   the same for you later.      Michel HERRSCHER mhc@herrscher.fr   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:57:12 GMT / From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Answerbacks) Message-ID: <9415tm$97f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>     Not sure how much this helps BUT  E You need to send and ENQ character (hex 05) (actually Octel 5 as well D :-) ) to the terminal or pc and it will send the answerback sequence. back to you. (you may well already know that?)  ? In DCL I have quickly tried this and I have trouble getting the G answerback sequence into DCL unless the answerback sequence ends with a E return character (hex 0D). If it does then READ SYS$INPUT X/PROMPT="" , works fine (after def sys$input sys$command) e.g. $ def sys$input sys$command ) $ say ""   ! put hex 05 inside the quotes 8 $ read sys$input x/prompt=""  !nothing inside the quotes $ sho sym x   @ Maybe you could get something by changing the terminal width via set term/wid=1F and get 1 character at a time - it depends exactly what you want to do and why I suppose    Hope this helps    Mike   --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:05:02 +0200 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: Re: Answerbacks+ Message-ID: <3A647F3E.40C8AAD5@digital.com>   $ From beyond the mists of history....   <start code>
 $ set = "set" % $ set symbol/scope=(nolocal,noglobal)  $ on warning then exit
 $ esc = "" $ esc[0,8] = 27 
 $ call get_id  $ id = f$Logical ("response") $ $ write sys$output "response = ", id $ exit $ get_id: subroutine  $ on control_y then goto cleanup $ on warning then goto cleanup
 $ csi = "" $ csi[0,8] = 155 $ cmd = csi + "0c"? $ set term/noecho/noesc                 !Any escape will become  terminator. < $ write sys$output cmd                  !Set up for response> $ read/prompt="" sys$command escape     !Terminate with escapeA $ write sys$output csi,"5n"             !Request operating status B $ set term/esc                          !Full escape sequences are terminators E $ read/prompt="" sys$command ident      !Read report, end with status 8 $ set term/echo                         !Reset terminal. $ def/nolog response &ident  $ exit $ cleanup: set term/echo $ stop $ endsubroutine                    
 <end code>   Gary L. Ross wrote:  > B > I trying to find a way to query both dumb terminals (i.e. vt320,@ > vt420, and vt510) and PC telnet sessions to get their assigned< > answerbacks from within a DCL procedure.  Can anyone point< > me in the right direction as to how I can accomplish this.	 > Thanks.  >  > Gary L. Ross > rossgl@parknicollet.com    --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:29:22 +0200 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: Re: Answerbacks+ Message-ID: <3A6484F2.6F3BD2EA@digital.com>   6 Sorry to correct my own post - I misread the question.3 Subroutine get_id should send a ^E character: i.e.:    $get_id: $ cmd[0,8] = 5 $ cr[0,8] = 13 $ set term/noecho/noesc  $ write sys$output cmd $ read/prom="" sys$command answ  $ set term /esc /echo  $ write sys$output cr  $ define/nolog response &answ  $ exit         Mike Rechtman wrote: > & > From beyond the mists of history.... >  > <start code> > $ set = "set" ' > $ set symbol/scope=(nolocal,noglobal)  > $ on warning then exit > $ esc = "" > $ esc[0,8] = 27  > $ call get_id  > $ id = f$Logical ("response") & > $ write sys$output "response = ", id > $ exit > $ get_id: subroutine" > $ on control_y then goto cleanup  > $ on warning then goto cleanup > $ csi = "" > $ csi[0,8] = 155 > $ cmd = csi + "0c"@ > $ set term/noecho/noesc                 !Any escape will becom> > $ write sys$output cmd                  !Set up for response@ > $ read/prompt="" sys$command escape     !Terminate with escapeC > $ write sys$output csi,"5n"             !Request operating status C > $ set term/esc                          !Full escape sequences ar G > $ read/prompt="" sys$command ident      !Read report, end with status : > $ set term/echo                         !Reset terminal. > $ def/nolog response &ident  > $ exit > $ cleanup: set term/echo > $ stop > $ endsubroutine  >  > <end code> >  > Gary L. Ross wrote:  > > D > > I trying to find a way to query both dumb terminals (i.e. vt320,B > > vt420, and vt510) and PC telnet sessions to get their assigned> > > answerbacks from within a DCL procedure.  Can anyone point> > > me in the right direction as to how I can accomplish this. > > Thanks.  > >  > > Gary L. Ross > > rossgl@parknicollet.com  >  > --G > --------------------------------------------------------------------- G > Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. A > Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F > Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337D >   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"G > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ! > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  > Version: 3.1< > GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$8 > PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@! > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:31:38 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk- Subject: Any SYSTEL users/managers out there? / Message-ID: <002569D6.0044B368.00@quegw01.btyp>    cc:  bcc:L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  $ Any SYSTEL users/managers out there?    M I am asking the question because I am now tasked with looking after SYSTEL at P our company, and I am having problems getting the product installed/started on aO new ALPHA. Support for this product in the UK (IMHO) isn't the best I have ever  come across.  I The problem I am having is that when SYSINT is run, component TMS doesn't M respond, thus SYSTEL won't start. I have increased the timeout value up to 10 H minutes, but still no response from TMS. Unfortunately someone, in theirM infinite wisdom, decided in the past that shelf space was more important than P manuals, so the TMS manual was one of those discarded. I have tried copying overI PRM files etc from working systems, but the same problem occurs. I have a M suspicion that it may be something to do with privileges or [device/terminal] . protection, but I'm not 100% sure of anything.  9 More information can be provided if I find a fellow user!   	 VMS 7.1-2 
 SYSTEL 5.1   TIA    Steve Spires     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beL confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has beenP addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this transmission.  L Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notH intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisF transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.  
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:16:37 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>1 Subject: Re: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS? ) Message-ID: <3A641F85.792BED3@uk.sun.com>    Howard S Shubs wrote:  > E > In article <gHO86.9631$jk6.2603345@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>, "MrSignor" + > <MrSignor@nospam_bellatlantic.net> wrote:  > H > >Whether they are now i dont know, but a 500au that I bought from eBayK > >last August had not been wiped ... it had various BlockBuster info on it  > L > Last I looked, a couple of years ago, BlockBuster's POS equipment was done > using VMS and FORTRAN. > --  > That sounds amazingly sophisticated. The market leader in the ; hospitality business for POS systems, Bars, Hotels etc has  = most of its installed base using a system that is essentially ? Novell based, they use the Novell NLM DBMS (can't remember what A it is called) and much of the application is written in MS-BASIC.   1 All the MiniBar's etc connect using serial lines.    > Howard S ShubsF > "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   --   Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jan 2001 00:42:04 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>1 Subject: Re: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS? - Message-ID: <87k87wahsz.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   , Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> writes:  B > I curious about something and maybe somebody here can satisfy myG > curiosity.  I know that Block Buster Video uses OpenVMS - you can see I > the VT terminals in all of their retail stores and a friend of mine who H > used to work at one of their stores opened up a locked cabinet where aG > uVAX 3100 system was housed.  Very recently a new BJ's Warehouse Club   A It works, and it keeps working. Have you thought how long a video F hire place whould survive with gateshit and the crashes and data loss?  G I was quoted 20 hrs downtime, and close the business. By tthen you have . lost customers, tapes, and street credibility.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:24:57 +0000 9 From: "Miller, Daniel" <Daniel.Miller@nightfreight.co.uk> 1 Subject: RE: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS? A Message-ID: <5E8A0E4920B0D411B1E900508BFCB24029946E@NF-HOUSE-NT1>    Hi everyone,  J Nice to know blockbusters use VMS, ive seen their VT terminals but did notF realise it was VMS.  Im pretty sure that MFI in the uk use VMS runningI cognos powerhouse, at least last time i went shopping there.  Ive seen VT  terminals in Ikea too.  
 Daniel Miller    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:03:43 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 1 Subject: RE: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS? 0 Message-ID: <009F631B.4F0BA428@SendSpamHere.ORG>  } In article <5E8A0E4920B0D411B1E900508BFCB24029946E@NF-HOUSE-NT1>, "Miller, Daniel" <Daniel.Miller@nightfreight.co.uk> writes: 
 >Hi everyone,  > K >Nice to know blockbusters use VMS, ive seen their VT terminals but did not G >realise it was VMS.  Im pretty sure that MFI in the uk use VMS running J >cognos powerhouse, at least last time i went shopping there.  Ive seen VT >terminals in Ikea too.  >  >Daniel Miller  L FWIW, I like to relay a recent personal experience with another video rental chain, Hollywood.     L On Thursday I went to rent a DVD and I was told that my account was inactiveL and the last rental was sometime in June of last year!  It seems that they'dJ lost all my records since that time.  Too bad I returned all those movies.L I can't be sure what they use for their rental tracking but it's safe to say, the counter is overwhelmed with Billy-boxes.  M This sort of thing scares me.  What if their database was corrupted such thateM instead of losing all of my movie rental records, it indicated that I had notwL return them.  When I took the Thursday rental back last evening, I asked forL a receipt for the return.  I was told that they don't issue them.  I sure do( wish there was a Blockbuster in my area.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMp            JO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.m   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 15:18:56 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)e1 Subject: Re: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS?L+ Message-ID: <941op0$7q0$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>   - In article <87k87wahsz.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,t/  Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:c |> rD |> It works, and it keeps working. Have you thought how long a videoI |> hire place whould survive with gateshit and the crashes and data loss?f |> bJ |> I was quoted 20 hrs downtime, and close the business. By tthen you have1 |> lost customers, tapes, and street credibility.v  > Maybe in OZ.  Up here, people have gotten used to poor service; because we receive it from every kind of businees there is.h< Surly clerks, billing mistakes, garbage products, welcome to= the USofA.  Hmmmm.  Maybe that's why Compaq doesn't push VMS.t1 The quality goes too much against the grain.  :-(x   bill   -- dJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   n   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jan 2001 12:22:31 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)1 Subject: Re: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS?e+ Message-ID: <Nj0oeqapa$d2@eisner.decus.org>   _ In article <941op0$7q0$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:i/ > In article <87k87wahsz.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,e1 >  Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  > |> :F > |> It works, and it keeps working. Have you thought how long a videoK > |> hire place whould survive with gateshit and the crashes and data loss?  > |> sL > |> I was quoted 20 hrs downtime, and close the business. By tthen you have3 > |> lost customers, tapes, and street credibility.i > @ > Maybe in OZ.  Up here, people have gotten used to poor service= > because we receive it from every kind of businees there is.e> > Surly clerks, billing mistakes, garbage products, welcome to? > the USofA.  Hmmmm.  Maybe that's why Compaq doesn't push VMS.n3 > The quality goes too much against the grain.  :-(e >   ; 	Maybe you need to move to a different part of the country.r< 	As a for instance, in Quincy Illinois the fast food outlets= 	are actually clean (what a concept) and they have folks thatM; 	come around with coffee pot in hand offering free refills.lB 	In other words, much of what you describe is regional... Southern 	hospitality is real , etc.b   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:35:19 +0000_ From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> # Subject: Re: BMC PAtrol still used?a) Message-ID: <3A6407C6.4188D175@Omond.net>p   Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr wrote:  I > Browsing through my current Customer's shelves, I've found a BMC Patrol  > for ServerWorks demo CD. >e > Is this product still useful?s  J Hint:  it's very heavily deployed within Compaq on all platforms including VMS.  	 Roy Omondr Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:49:38 -0500 * From: Steve Jones <smj@spamfree.crash.com>/ Subject: Board Quiz: System Industries QS 1000?:2 Message-ID: <3A63FD12.4DE3AAE3@spamfree.crash.com>  F I received what seems to be a System Industries QS 1000 controler card@ in an MV3400. But no docs, and nothing useful from Alta Vista...  I It's a quad Qbus card with three berg connectors: J1 50 pins, J2 50 pins, D J3 26 pins. Screend right between J2 and J3 is "SI - QS 1000 BOARD".  H I was leaning towards SMD disk controller, but when I do a ">>> SHO DEV"F it reports a second UQSSP (or whatever) tape controller, configured as second to the TQK70...  G The machine arrived with a ~12' cable connected to J2, and has a 50 pineF female berg at the other end. There are two Cypress PLCCs on board andG maybe a dozen DIP PALs with paper labels. There's also a single row, 12aJ pin header with the legend "TP1" through "TP12" screened next to the pins.  % Any help would be vastly appreciated.$   --Steve.  K Steve Jones              ...!uunet!crash.com!smj           Arlington, Mass.$6 CRASH!! Computing     (any spambots parse bang paths?)  K "Chaos will ensue if the variable i is altered..." - SysV Programmers Guideo   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 17:34:45 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: C and OpenVMS 76 Message-ID: <9420nl$394$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  d In article <zVd86.1123$bU7.4165655@nnrp2.proxad.net>, "Tamahome" <xavpaul@chello.fr.NO.SPAM> writes:  J :i've  a litte problem to open a file in C on OpenVMS (the same code works9 :well on DOS-based system). It's the right ng to post in?o  I   Please remember to provide the OpenVMS version, the C compiler name and I   the version, enough code to provide an example or a reproducer, and --  C   most importantly -- please remember to first check the C manuals.   I   The C manuals are available online at www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial$  L   That a program works on something called "DOS" -- I can think of a couple I   of platforms that used variations of that acronym over the years -- is mJ   interesting, but it may or may not be particularly relevent...  This allM   depends on the particular C constructs, language extensions or alternative e-   syntax that was used within the example....i  I   Also remember to check the manuals and the OpenVMS FAQ for pointers to s+   opening files with shared access enabled.   F   For developing programs for use on OpenVMS from a Microsoft Windows F   platform, please see the Enterprise Toolkit.  (See the above URL...)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 17:46:59 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: C and OpenVMS 76 Message-ID: <9421ej$394$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  d In article <pRi86.1230$EO3.4536391@nnrp2.proxad.net>, "Tamahome" <xavpaul@chello.fr.NO.SPAM> writes: :So there is the code:  $ : fichier=fopen (nom_fichier, "wt");  I   wt?  Other than the name of a bar in Albany NY, that's probably either m+   an extension, or was intended to be "w+".t ..  * :-----------------------------------------K :This function works perfectly on MS DOS (with Borland Compiler). Moreover, > :i've no warning (and so no error), when i compile and link...  E   I get errors compiling the code using Compaq C, and I see a variety    of errors.   :But when i use G :this function, i've always have the "Error" message, as if the pointer$$ :return NULL when doing the fopen... :h3 :Have i to add the ";1" or else in the #define ????-     Nope.-  E :if somebody could explain me why it don't work, i would be happy ^_^c  C   The particular Borland compiler is rather more tolerant or rather-C   more willing to assume, then... I'm seeing a pile of compilation -   errors...e  C   The following at least compiles, and I've simplified the codepatht.   somewhat.  (Ich sprechen Francaisch? nicht.)   #include <stdio.h> #define MEDIA "test.dat"  , void sauver (void *debut, char *nom_fichier)   {r   FILE *fichier;   void *pointeur;s     pointeur=debut;   $   fichier= fopen(nom_fichier, "w+");     if ( fichier )     puts("Error on fopen");d      fprintf(fichier, "guten tag");     if (fclose (fichier)!=0)      puts("Error while saving!");  	   return;,   }2    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:43:34 +0000 * From: Paul Parsons <nospam@nospam.nowhere> Subject: C code to get file ACLb. Message-ID: <3A6441F6.334C1DFC@nospam.nowhere>  H I'm trying to read the ACL of a file - from a C program. Any suggestions how, please?5 I'm using an Alpha with OpenVMS 7.2 and Compaq C 6.2.i   Thanks,    Paul   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jan 2001 09:34:17 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)# Subject: Re: C code to get file ACL + Message-ID: <zGJwodgJy03L@eisner.decus.org>   [ In article <3A6441F6.334C1DFC@nospam.nowhere>, Paul Parsons <nospam@nospam.nowhere> writes: J > I'm trying to read the ACL of a file - from a C program. Any suggestions > how, please?7 > I'm using an Alpha with OpenVMS 7.2 and Compaq C 6.2.C >    One approach, in summary:i  E   use SYS$QIO (see ACP documentation in I/O User's Guide) or SYS$OPEN 5   to open the file, you'll need the resulting channeli  D   use SYS$GET_SECURITY to get the ACL (you may need to first get theB   size of the ACL then loop over calls for each ACE, I'm not sure)  D   use SYS$FORMAT_ACL to create a printable string version of the ACL  H See the Compaq C Users Guide and the OpenVMS Programming Concepts manualB for help in translating language independent terms from the SystemH Services and RMS references into C language terminology.  You'll need to> be setting up string descriptor and item list data structures.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:32:46 +0100n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> # Subject: Re: C code to get file ACL ) Message-ID: <3A645B8E.9385BFA5@gtech.com>e   Paul Parsons wrote:2J > I'm trying to read the ACL of a file - from a C program. Any suggestions > how, please?7 > I'm using an Alpha with OpenVMS 7.2 and Compaq C 6.2.E  
 See f.ex.:'   ftp://ftp.hhs.dk/pub/vms/misc/acl.mara,   ftp://ftp.hhs.dk/pub/vms/misc/test_acl.for,   ftp://ftp.hhs.dk/pub/vms/misc/test_acl.pas  3 (sorry no C - I can make a test_acl.c, if you want)-   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:27:38 GMTp% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>a# Subject: Re: C code to get file ACL6) Message-ID: <941p8u$on8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>:  . In article <3A6441F6.334C1DFC@nospam.nowhere>,-   Paul Parsons <nospam@nospam.nowhere> wrote:s: > I'm trying to read the ACL of a file - from a C program. > Any suggestions how, please?7 > I'm using an Alpha with OpenVMS 7.2 and Compaq C 6.2.n  ( Use SYS$GET_SECURITY with OSS$_ACL_READ.  2 No, I don't have C source. A Python example is at:G http://www.decus.de/~zessin/python/doc/refman/vms_sys_get_security.htmln   --
 Uwe Zessin3 (If you want to send mail, please use user "zessin"t/ who lives at "decus.decus.de", not my-deja.com)iA (I'll be away from my desk for the next 3-4 days - don't expect ae
 response.)     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:36:50 GMTc% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>i# Subject: Re: C code to get file ACL ) Message-ID: <941pqh$p88$1@nnrp1.deja.com>h  + In article <zGJwodgJy03L@eisner.decus.org>, /   koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:s= > In article <3A6441F6.334C1DFC@nospam.nowhere>, Paul Parsonsa <nospam@nospam.nowhere> writes:T< > > I'm trying to read the ACL of a file - from a C program.  > > Any suggestions how, please?9 > > I'm using an Alpha with OpenVMS 7.2 and Compaq C 6.2.u >e > One approach, in summary:i >hG >   use SYS$QIO (see ACP documentation in I/O User's Guide) or SYS$OPENe7 >   to open the file, you'll need the resulting channeli  B You could also use a XABPRO, but can only read 512 bytes at a time due to a limit in the XQP.  F >   use SYS$GET_SECURITY to get the ACL (you may need to first get theD >   size of the ACL then loop over calls for each ACE, I'm not sure)  @ You get the entire ACL, but the function does not bother to fillB in the returned length address even when you specify one (at least not on OpenVMS VAX V6.1).V  F >   use SYS$FORMAT_ACL to create a printable string version of the ACL [...]    --
 Uwe Zessin3 (If you want to send mail, please use user "zessin" / who lives at "decus.decus.de", not my-deja.com)      Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:36:02 GMTr From: abirkett@my-deja.com Subject: CMS Query) Message-ID: <94186i$ar3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,n  E I know this isn't strictly VMS, but I can't find any documentation ons it.e   Using the command:        $ CMS FETCH group_namer  D fetches the relevant modules (which consist of 2 .C code files, 2 .HD files and a .RNO file) from the library as you would expect but then displays the message:   C %CMS-F-BUG, there is something wrong with CMS or something it calls 9 -CMS-F-BADIOBLENGTH, The passed IOB has an invalid lengtha  E Using the $ SET WATCH FILE/CLASS=ALL doesn't show access to any filesbG between writing the 'file created' message and the above error message.-E One more curious thing is that no error messages are displayed if youp fetch the elements one-by-one.   Anybody got any suggestions?   Alpha 3000 model 400 VMS V7.1 CMS Version V3.9-2H C compiler V6.2-008 (recently upgraded to but can't say if this happened before)o   Thanks,    Adeo   --D Intelligence is being able to listen to the William Tell overture...4               ...without thinking of the Lone Ranger   --D Intelligence is being able to listen to the William Tell overture...5                ...without thinking of the Lone Ranger0     Sent via Deja.come http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:09:59 -0500n2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: CMS QueryL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1601011309590001@user-2iveao3.dialup.mindspring.com>  E In article <94186i$ar3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, abirkett@my-deja.com wrote:o   > Hi,  > G > I know this isn't strictly VMS, but I can't find any documentation on  > it.K >  > Using the command: >  >      $ CMS FETCH group_name  > F > fetches the relevant modules (which consist of 2 .C code files, 2 .HF > files and a .RNO file) from the library as you would expect but then > displays the message:l > E > %CMS-F-BUG, there is something wrong with CMS or something it calls ; > -CMS-F-BADIOBLENGTH, The passed IOB has an invalid lengthE  1 > Anybody got any suggestions?  & Have you tried the CMS VERIFY command?   -- a Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comy   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:17:52 +0000t% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution-8 Message-ID: <gr786tosbfi1b6iha2b7rekrfh0a3tcbl3@4ax.com>  , On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:35:49 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:    >"Main, Kerry" wrote:eJ >> Sigh, one more time - While Sun's response to all requirements is UNIX,K >> Compaq provides a multi-platform offering and all of them have importantf6 >> strengths and weaknesses in their target platforms. >l   >sM >I am affraid that I have to side with Mr Harrisson on this one. (Can I get amK >job at Sun ?) Compaq does a terrible job of leveraging its assets to theirt >fullest potential.p  & Another sign this might be changing...  @ In The Economist a couple of weeks ago appeared an article which< suggested that Alpha technology had died along with Digital:V http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=442777&CFID=101748&CFTOKEN=92856291  @ "Where is DEC today? Subsumed within Compaq, the worlds largest8 supplier of personal computers; its innovative hardware,F lightning-fast Alpha processors and rock-solid software obliterated by the lowly PC."  D This week's edition contains the following letter which I will quoteF in full because you can't access this link unless you are an economist6 subscriber - some links work unregistered; some don't.V http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=471556&CFID=101748&CFTOKEN=92856291$ Economist, Jan 13-19th 2001, Letters  
 Alpha Plus
 ==========   Sir,  D You state in your technology quarterly that the lowly PC obliterated@ the Alpha processor after Compaq's merger with Digital EquipmentB Corporation ("In praise of disruption", Dec 9th). Not so. Compaq's= Alpha technology and our PC business serve different markets.-B Moreover, Compaq is much more than a PC company. What you call theA lightning fast Alpha processors and rock-solid software remains ae@ multi-billion dollar business. Our Alpha processors provided theF computing power to produce the first map of the human genome. Compaq's? Alpha technology won the contract to construct Europe's largest ? supercomputer. Jointly with Samsung, we invested a further $500h> million in the Alpha processor, and agreed with IBM to develop4 advanced copper chip technologies for the processor.  B The Alpha processor is not a victim of disruptive technology but a@ driving force behind future technologies. Indeed, Compaq's AlphaE systems are revolutionising business-critical computing. They set thekD standard for cluster technology units of servers that are scaleable,C available and easy to deploy. As you say, to be forewarned is to beiD forearmed: words such as obliterate should always be used with care.   Werner Koepf Chairman and CEO Compaq Computer International  Zurich  D Never heard of Werner Koepf before I have to say but I wouldn't mindF hearing more if he keeps this up - a letter on page 8 of the EconomistE is likely to be read by many of the purse-string holders Compaq coulddD do with reaching. A quick search of the Compaq web site lists him asC Senior Vice-President and General Manager Compaq Europe Middle East01 and Africa (EMEA). Looks like he's been promoted.   B One other point I noticed is that the Economist's search engine isF powered by Northern Light. Just a pity he couldn't have worked that inF as well! Now I can't speak for everyone else but this is really what IA want to see. Compaq executives standing squarely behind Alpha andoE rapidly correcting press inaccuracies. I don't expect them to rubbish. the PC.          --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jan 2001 00:28:17 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionl- Message-ID: <87snmkaify.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  2 andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  @ > And you are advocating that people should not use Win2000 for 1 > anything mission critical !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!t  + OK Andrew, you are right, and we are wrong.Q  J There is no way a CLuster could come near the reliability and availabilityF of a big Sun. Now way in the world. Hell, my daughters old Cryix can't even get close running Linux...c  : Sun E10K, bringing the alpha to  alpha testing hardware...   -- ,< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:49:18 -0500B' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>e= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutiond( Message-ID: <941qar$jkn$1@pyrite.mv.net>  0 Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> wrote in message2 news:gr786tosbfi1b6iha2b7rekrfh0a3tcbl3@4ax.com.... > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:35:49 -0500, JF Mezei' > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  >u > >"Main, Kerry" wrote:-L > >> Sigh, one more time - While Sun's response to all requirements is UNIX,C > >> Compaq provides a multi-platform offering and all of them haved	 importante8 > >> strengths and weaknesses in their target platforms. > >  >n > >sI > >I am affraid that I have to side with Mr Harrisson on this one. (Can I" get a G > >job at Sun ?) Compaq does a terrible job of leveraging its assets toa theirH > >fullest potential.c > ( > Another sign this might be changing... >eB > In The Economist a couple of weeks ago appeared an article which> > suggested that Alpha technology had died along with Digital: > L http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=442777&CFID=101748&CFTOKE
 N=92856291 >lB > "Where is DEC today? Subsumed within Compaq, the world's largest: > supplier of personal computers; its innovative hardware,H > lightning-fast Alpha processors and rock-solid software obliterated by > the lowly PC."  K Spot on, as one might say in your region:  lack of insight and false claimsl2 didn't get The Economist the reputation it enjoys.   >rF > This week's edition contains the following letter which I will quoteH > in full because you can't access this link unless you are an economist8 > subscriber - some links work unregistered; some don't. >aL http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=471556&CFID=101748&CFTOKE
 N=92856291& > Economist, Jan 13-19th 2001, Letters >l > Alpha Plus > ========== >M > Sir, > F > You state in your technology quarterly that the lowly PC obliteratedB > the Alpha processor after Compaq's merger with Digital EquipmentD > Corporation ("In praise of disruption", Dec 9th). Not so. Compaq's? > Alpha technology and our PC business serve different markets.e  I Except that the boundary line between those markets moves whenever CompaqpI can convince a customer that the PC can do the job the Alpha used to.  As E long as Compaq asserts that they serve different markets, rather thanoE provide different features to overlapping markets, and focuses almostt# exclusively on the PC, Alpha loses.e  D > Moreover, Compaq is much more than a PC company. What you call theC > lightning fast Alpha processors and rock-solid software remains ao  > multi-billion dollar business.  G Again, very careful wording:  'REMAINS a multi-billion dollar business'oD doesn't say Compaq is growing that business, let alone aggressively.  "  Our Alpha processors provided theH > computing power to produce the first map of the human genome. Compaq'sA > Alpha technology won the contract to construct Europe's largest  > supercomputer.  E That's right:  it's by no means dead, just not the focus for Compaq's I growth.  I'm sure that IBM could come up with similar success stories for)H the 390 (whoops - the 390 *is* getting real attention from IBM:  it justH went 64-bit and got both native and hosted Linux - so that comparison is' disturbing for another reason as well).:  1  Jointly with Samsung, we invested a further $500i! > million in the Alpha processor,   D Don't I recall that Compaq's contribution to this figure was cobbledE together from the $100 million additional they had allocated to Tru64-I *promotion* plus other monies already committed to areas mostly in no wayeH directly related to Alpha *development*?  Compaq is quite good at makingB statements that superficially sound impressive without having much5 substance, so Werner may not have been aware of this.'    and agreed with IBM to develop 6 > advanced copper chip technologies for the processor.  L Well, yuh.  Taking advantage of newer fab facilities for an existing productE is kind of a no-brainer, unless the product is already near-dead, andh? typically results in cost reductions as well as speed and power 
 improvements.t   >uD > The Alpha processor is not a victim of disruptive technology but a+ > driving force behind future technologies.i  K Which will be ported to the Intel-architecture products as soon as they cantE be:  see, for example, the Wildfire switch.  Cray developed some good_D technology too that got adopted elsewhere:  look where they are now.    Indeed, Compaq's AlphamG > systems are revolutionising business-critical computing. They set thepF > standard for cluster technology units of servers that are scaleable, > available and easy to deploy.,  K No:  Alpha systems (and VAXen before them) revolutionised business-critical-K computing many years ago, and except for the emergence of Tru64 clusters aszK a pale imitation of VMS clusters the situation hasn't changed significantly3J since (Wildfire just keeps Alpha in the high-end game - it doesn't give it any obvious lead).  &  As you say, to be forewarned is to beF > forearmed: words such as obliterate should always be used with care.  L And it was - certainly in the case of VMS, anyway (which is the best fit forL the 'rock-solid software' portion of the quote).  The fact that VMS is still? visible if you know where to look reflects no virtue on Compaq.c   >o > Werner Koepf > Chairman and CEO > Compaq Computer Internationalt > Zurich >6F > Never heard of Werner Koepf before I have to say but I wouldn't mind" > hearing more if he keeps this up  H Words are cheap and don't mean sh*t (gee, I euphemized - must be feelingH unusually circumspect today) unless accompanied by real action.  So far,I they haven't been, and this has been true for so long that there's little + reason for any hope that they ever will be.h   - bill  &  - a letter on page 8 of the EconomistG > is likely to be read by many of the purse-string holders Compaq couldcF > do with reaching. A quick search of the Compaq web site lists him asE > Senior Vice-President and General Manager Compaq Europe Middle Easto3 > and Africa (EMEA). Looks like he's been promoted.g >eD > One other point I noticed is that the Economist's search engine isH > powered by Northern Light. Just a pity he couldn't have worked that inH > as well! Now I can't speak for everyone else but this is really what IC > want to see. Compaq executives standing squarely behind Alpha andtG > rapidly correcting press inaccuracies. I don't expect them to rubbishr	 > the PC.u >  >  >  >  > -- > Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 15:57:56 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionj, Message-ID: <941r24$9ku@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  ` In article <gr786tosbfi1b6iha2b7rekrfh0a3tcbl3@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:A >In The Economist a couple of weeks ago appeared an article whicha= >suggested that Alpha technology had died along with Digital:.W >http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=442777&CFID=101748&CFTOKEN=92856291h <SNIP> >sE >This week's edition contains the following letter which I will quotetG >in full because you can't access this link unless you are an economist:7 >subscriber - some links work unregistered; some don't.cW >http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=471556&CFID=101748&CFTOKEN=92856291<% >Economist, Jan 13-19th 2001, Lettersa >P >Alpha Plusm >==========r >w >Sir,  >' <SNIP> >Not so. Compaq's > >Alpha technology and our PC business serve different markets. <SNIP> >A
 >Werner KoepfM >Chairman and CEO6 >Compaq Computer International >ZurichL  N At last somebody from Compaq who is sufficiently on the ball to give a timely L reply to bad press.  Interesting that it came from the international branch K and not the head office in the USA.  However while most of what he says is ,Q nice I do worry that the quoted sentence that says Alphas and PCs serve different I markets.  I think it is not just a simplification but rather an admission-F that Compaq does not, and will not, position Alphas to compete againstG their own or anybody else's PC systems.  Since "PC" these days includes-J Nway servers, that pretty much knocks the bottom half off of the potentialF Alpha market.   I'm not just talking VMS here - if Alpha/Linux doesn't5 compete against PCs, what does it compete against??? a   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduo? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech  J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:05:40 +0000o0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionC* Message-ID: <3A647F64.2CB15C5F@uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:h >  > "Main, Kerry" wrote:K > > Sigh, one more time - While Sun's response to all requirements is UNIX,iL > > Compaq provides a multi-platform offering and all of them have important7 > > strengths and weaknesses in their target platforms.w > P > Because you are well connected to Compaq, *YOU* know that Compaq has availableN > different products. But since Compaq does not advertise products such as VMSP > or Office Server, the general customer population only sees Windows, Exchange,G > Office and Intel solutions. Those a bit connected will see the True64mP > offerings  and probably learn that True64 is the first to have had clustering. > 8 > What use is a product if you're not going to sell it ? >   2 I have a great example in the customer I work for.  < They have a big distributed FP intensive pricing application9 which they run on a cluster of Sun's mostly E4500's. The  6 app has been developed in house and can run on a wide  variety of platforms.T  > The customer is looking for the best price performance and the< best performance/sq ft (they are very short of machine room  space).   : So Compaq mosey up to them and guess what they suggest as < a platform for a distributed FP intensive application where < floor space is an issue and where price performance is also 
 of interest. l  - You have got it, the 32 CPU Unisys box, akk. .  2 Firstly its huge, bigger than an E10K (almost the  same size as an HP V).  1 Secondly the application is a distributed app, itn2 would run just as well on say 4 x 8 CPU Proliants 2 as it would on a 32 CPU Unisys box. So if you have3 to propose NT why not 4 small cheap NT boxes ratherr$ than 1 huge hugely expensive NT box.  7 Thirdly no one knows how well the CMP NT implimentationd8 scales but Compaq seem keen to get the customer to test  a 32 CPU system for them.   ; But why oh why didn't they propose a Alpha Server solution,:8 ES40's in a rack for example would trash the Unisys box 6 on FP, have a much smaller footprint and probably cost way less than the Unisys box.   8 This is a great example of how PC centric Compaq is even7 when faced with a problem which is clearly best solved  # by using something other than PC's.S  < Its also an example which illustrates why Kerry is whistling in the wind.   regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectr   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jan 2001 12:47:58 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution + Message-ID: <e0696L8IkKwF@eisner.decus.org>g  R In article <941qar$jkn$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes: >   E >> The Alpha processor is not a victim of disruptive technology but a1, >> driving force behind future technologies. > M > Which will be ported to the Intel-architecture products as soon as they can-G > be:  see, for example, the Wildfire switch.  Cray developed some good3F > technology too that got adopted elsewhere:  look where they are now. >   9 	Glad you brought this example up because this shows justo< 	how Compaq Alpha and Server engineers are a few steps aheadF 	of Intel.  Giving that Wildfire switch to the Intel side of the house= 	was a no-brainer.  Why?  Because the switch goes away in the ? 	next generation high-end AlphaServer aka Marvel.  This is what > 	sharing engineering resources is all about.  The Tandem folks? 	have helped to pollinate other divisions , etc.  Question then : 	becomes how soon until on-chip memory controllers show up6 	on Itanic/Unobtanium/P4?  McKinley doesn't have them.  G 	But yes... I VERY MUCH look forward to the day when Intel does us all DF 	a favor and incorporates network switches and memory switches on the C 	CPU die.  At that point, all or most engineering resources within hD 	HP/IBM/Compaq can layoff a good portion of their Industry Standard @ 	Server folks as Intel will be providing everything (from CPU toC 	controllers , etc.) and can concentrate on their proprietary RISC i@ 	offerings.   There is incentive of course to differentiate withC 	RISC (more money made selling your own proprietary hardware).  Butt; 	we all eventually succumb to Intel the Invincible with its-B 	partner the Magnificent Microsoft.  Or course Sun hasn't realized
 	this yet.   				Robr   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 14:50:35 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)1 Subject: Converting VMS System time to unix epochq3 Message-ID: <941n3r$ehp$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>e  G How do I convert a vms system time (in quadword format) to a unix epochlF time....outside of vms?  I have some data files I need to convert on a
 linux box.    
 Brian Wheeler. bdwheele@indiana.edu   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jan 2001 10:31:48 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)u5 Subject: Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epochn+ Message-ID: <YwbejU6LGi7I@eisner.decus.org>e  ` In article <941n3r$ehp$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>, bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler) writes:I > How do I convert a vms system time (in quadword format) to a unix epochrH > time....outside of vms?  I have some data files I need to convert on a > linux box.  ' I suggest you ask in a Linux newsgroup.h  # On VMS you use the system services.t  G Try converting to text on your VMS machine and then reading the text on  your Linux machine.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:59:05 GMT.7 From: "Lyle W. West" <lyle.west@childrenshc.org.nospam>n5 Subject: Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epochI6 Message-ID: <3A641B59.642CF553@childrenshc.org.nospam>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > b > In article <941n3r$ehp$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>, bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler) writes:K > > How do I convert a vms system time (in quadword format) to a unix epochsJ > > time....outside of vms?  I have some data files I need to convert on a > > linux box. > ) > I suggest you ask in a Linux newsgroup.a > % > On VMS you use the system services.  > I > Try converting to text on your VMS machine and then reading the text onc > your Linux machine.   D Take a look at the DecC docs for 'decc$fix_time' if C is an option.    --  0 My opinions seldom reflect those of my employer.   Lyle W. West   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:02:29 GMT-= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)a5 Subject: Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epocha0 Message-ID: <009F6334.48273859@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <941n3r$ehp$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>, bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler) writes:H >How do I convert a vms system time (in quadword format) to a unix epochG >time....outside of vms?  I have some data files I need to convert on an >linux box.g >  >h >Brian Wheeler >bdwheele@indiana.edu   F Assuming you can do 64 bit arithmetic, it should not be too difficult.  F The system time is a 64 bit count of 100nSec ticks since 17 Nov. 1858.G The unix epoch time starts at 1 Jan. 1970.  Compute the 64 bit time foroG the epoch and subtract that from the 64 bit VMS time value in your data H files.  Then, divide by 1000mSec*1000uSec*10TICS to get the time in sec-, onds which is usable on your unix/linux box.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM1            BO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.a   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 16:31:38 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)5 Subject: Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epoch.3 Message-ID: <941t1a$fgr$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>   0 In article <009F6334.48273859@sendspamhere.org>,@ 	system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:b > In article <941n3r$ehp$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>, bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler) writes:I >>How do I convert a vms system time (in quadword format) to a unix epoch H >>time....outside of vms?  I have some data files I need to convert on a >>linux box. >> >> >>Brian Wheelerm >>bdwheele@indiana.edu > H > Assuming you can do 64 bit arithmetic, it should not be too difficult. > H > The system time is a 64 bit count of 100nSec ticks since 17 Nov. 1858.I > The unix epoch time starts at 1 Jan. 1970.  Compute the 64 bit time fortI > the epoch and subtract that from the 64 bit VMS time value in your dataFJ > files.  Then, divide by 1000mSec*1000uSec*10TICS to get the time in sec-. > onds which is usable on your unix/linux box. >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMr
 >            yQ > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.d  1 Thanks!  This is what I did (excuse my crappy C):o   #include <stdio.h> #include <descrip.h>   struct binary_date {"         unsigned int buff1, buff2; };   main() {         unsigned int status;:         $DESCRIPTOR(unix_epoch,"01-JAN-1970 00:00:00.00");?         $DESCRIPTOR(unix_epoch_plus,"01-JAN-1970 00:00:01.00");_B         $DESCRIPTOR(unix_epoch_plus_1m,"01-JAN-1970 00:01:00.00");  #         struct binary_date timebuf;=  0         status=SYS$BINTIM(&unix_epoch,&timebuf);)         dump_date("unix epoch",&timebuf);   5         status=SYS$BINTIM(&unix_epoch_plus,&timebuf);u,         dump_date("unix epoch+1s",&timebuf);  8         status=SYS$BINTIM(&unix_epoch_plus_1m,&timebuf);,         dump_date("unix_epoch+1m",&timebuf);  $         status=SYS$GETTIM(&timebuf);'         dump_date("vax time",&timebuf);e }c  8 void dump_date(char *string, struct binary_date *date) {         short int buffer[7];          sys$numtim(buffer,date);  8         printf("%s: %08x %08x [%d/%d/%d %d:%d:%d.%d]\n",1                 string, date->buff2, date->buff1,s.                 buffer[2],buffer[1],buffer[0],9                 buffer[3],buffer[4],buffer[5],buffer[6]);s   }n  G To get the values.  Drove me nuts for a while since I forgot to set the,K hundredths of a second so I never got the same answer for unix_epoch twice!a   Thanks! 
 Brian Wheelers bdwheele@indiana.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:46:40 -0500e2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>5 Subject: Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epochg* Message-ID: <3A647AF0.CBF296CD@oracle.com>  0 here's one way to do things (snippets from from * a C program that runs on both VMS and NT):  # 	/* 1-JAN-1970 00:00:00.00.      */9) 	#define JAN_1_1970 0x007c95674beb4000L  t   	__int64		vms_tad; 	time_t 		ltime; 	struct 		tm *tp;  	char 		tbuf [50];  > 	/* convert the vms-format time to a unix-format time and then? 	   convert that to DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM:SS format and write it */A  4 	ltime = (int) ((vms_tad - JAN_1_1970) / 10000000) ; 	tp = gmtime (&ltime);8 	strftime (tbuf, sizeof(tbuf), "%d-%b-%Y %H:%M:%S", tp); 	printf ("time is %s\n", tbuf);n   Brian Wheeler wrote: > I > How do I convert a vms system time (in quadword format) to a unix epochtH > time....outside of vms?  I have some data files I need to convert on a > linux box. >  > Brian Wheelera > bdwheele@indiana.edu   -- n> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:51:23 GMTa= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)a5 Subject: Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epochn0 Message-ID: <009F633B.1C99D254@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <941t1a$fgr$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>, bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler) writes:1 >In article <009F6334.48273859@sendspamhere.org>,iA >	system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:sc >> In article <941n3r$ehp$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>, bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler) writes:tJ >>>How do I convert a vms system time (in quadword format) to a unix epochI >>>time....outside of vms?  I have some data files I need to convert on ae
 >>>linux box.a >>>r >>>t >>>Brian Wheeler >>>bdwheele@indiana.edul >> ,I >> Assuming you can do 64 bit arithmetic, it should not be too difficult.t >> rI >> The system time is a 64 bit count of 100nSec ticks since 17 Nov. 1858.tJ >> The unix epoch time starts at 1 Jan. 1970.  Compute the 64 bit time forJ >> the epoch and subtract that from the 64 bit VMS time value in your dataK >> files.  Then, divide by 1000mSec*1000uSec*10TICS to get the time in sec-e/ >> onds which is usable on your unix/linux box.o >> r >> --uR >> VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >>            R >> city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them. > 2 >Thanks!  This is what I did (excuse my crappy C): >  >#include <stdio.h>n >#include <descrip.h>d >O >struct binary_date {e# >        unsigned int buff1, buff2;r >};W >e	 >main() {o >        unsigned int status; ; >        $DESCRIPTOR(unix_epoch,"01-JAN-1970 00:00:00.00");n@ >        $DESCRIPTOR(unix_epoch_plus,"01-JAN-1970 00:00:01.00");C >        $DESCRIPTOR(unix_epoch_plus_1m,"01-JAN-1970 00:01:00.00");h >n$ >        struct binary_date timebuf; >n1 >        status=SYS$BINTIM(&unix_epoch,&timebuf);e* >        dump_date("unix epoch",&timebuf); >g6 >        status=SYS$BINTIM(&unix_epoch_plus,&timebuf);- >        dump_date("unix epoch+1s",&timebuf);t >e9 >        status=SYS$BINTIM(&unix_epoch_plus_1m,&timebuf); - >        dump_date("unix_epoch+1m",&timebuf);p >E% >        status=SYS$GETTIM(&timebuf);.( >        dump_date("vax time",&timebuf); >} > 9 >void dump_date(char *string, struct binary_date *date) {  >        short int buffer[7]; ! >        sys$numtim(buffer,date);  > 9 >        printf("%s: %08x %08x [%d/%d/%d %d:%d:%d.%d]\n",r2 >                string, date->buff2, date->buff1,/ >                buffer[2],buffer[1],buffer[0],i: >                buffer[3],buffer[4],buffer[5],buffer[6]); >C >} > H >To get the values.  Drove me nuts for a while since I forgot to set theL >hundredths of a second so I never got the same answer for unix_epoch twice! >j >Thanks! >Brian Wheeler >bdwheele@indiana.edus    F Your original posting was misleading.  I assumed you wanted to convertF the data files with the VMS 64 bit times on your linux machine (espec-G ially, because of the verbage "outside of vms") in which case, you'd bea> hard pressed to find SYS$BINTIM, SYS$GETTIM and SYS$NUMTIM! ;)   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM9            sO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.l   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 18:16:34 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)5 Subject: Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epochS3 Message-ID: <942362$gn3$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>i  0 In article <009F633B.1C99D254@sendspamhere.org>,@ 	system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:b > In article <941t1a$fgr$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>, bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler) writes:2 >>In article <009F6334.48273859@sendspamhere.org>,B >>	system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:d >>> In article <941n3r$ehp$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>, bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler) writes:K >>>>How do I convert a vms system time (in quadword format) to a unix epochhJ >>>>time....outside of vms?  I have some data files I need to convert on a >>>>linux box. >>>> >>>> >>>>Brian Wheelerh >>>>bdwheele@indiana.edu >>> J >>> Assuming you can do 64 bit arithmetic, it should not be too difficult. >>> J >>> The system time is a 64 bit count of 100nSec ticks since 17 Nov. 1858.K >>> The unix epoch time starts at 1 Jan. 1970.  Compute the 64 bit time fortK >>> the epoch and subtract that from the 64 bit VMS time value in your data L >>> files.  Then, divide by 1000mSec*1000uSec*10TICS to get the time in sec-0 >>> onds which is usable on your unix/linux box. >>>  >>> --S >>> VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  >>>             S >>> city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.* >>3 >>Thanks!  This is what I did (excuse my crappy C):- >> >>#include <stdio.h> >>#include <descrip.h> >> >>struct binary_date {$ >>        unsigned int buff1, buff2; >>}; >>
 >>main() { >>        unsigned int status;< >>        $DESCRIPTOR(unix_epoch,"01-JAN-1970 00:00:00.00");A >>        $DESCRIPTOR(unix_epoch_plus,"01-JAN-1970 00:00:01.00"); D >>        $DESCRIPTOR(unix_epoch_plus_1m,"01-JAN-1970 00:01:00.00"); >>% >>        struct binary_date timebuf;i >>2 >>        status=SYS$BINTIM(&unix_epoch,&timebuf);+ >>        dump_date("unix epoch",&timebuf);t >>7 >>        status=SYS$BINTIM(&unix_epoch_plus,&timebuf);n. >>        dump_date("unix epoch+1s",&timebuf); >>: >>        status=SYS$BINTIM(&unix_epoch_plus_1m,&timebuf);. >>        dump_date("unix_epoch+1m",&timebuf); >>& >>        status=SYS$GETTIM(&timebuf);) >>        dump_date("vax time",&timebuf);a >>}e >>: >>void dump_date(char *string, struct binary_date *date) { >>        short int buffer[7];" >>        sys$numtim(buffer,date); >>: >>        printf("%s: %08x %08x [%d/%d/%d %d:%d:%d.%d]\n",3 >>                string, date->buff2, date->buff1,r0 >>                buffer[2],buffer[1],buffer[0],; >>                buffer[3],buffer[4],buffer[5],buffer[6]);  >> >>}r >>I >>To get the values.  Drove me nuts for a while since I forgot to set therM >>hundredths of a second so I never got the same answer for unix_epoch twice!e >>	 >>Thanks!d >>Brian Wheelers >>bdwheele@indiana.edu >  > H > Your original posting was misleading.  I assumed you wanted to convertH > the data files with the VMS 64 bit times on your linux machine (espec-I > ially, because of the verbage "outside of vms") in which case, you'd be @ > hard pressed to find SYS$BINTIM, SYS$GETTIM and SYS$NUMTIM! ;)  J I do, but I have access to a VMS machine so I could get the 'base' numbers4 I needed, I just wasn't sure what to do with them :)   Brianm     >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM 
 >            iQ > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 14:58:45 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)t! Subject: Re: Dead VAXstation 3100s+ Message-ID: <941nj5$6vi$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>t  ; In article <3a63d639.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>,i5  martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:e5 |> Bill Gunshannon (bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu) wrote:S) |> : "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:h# |> : |> Where is Freiburg situated? < |> : |> I live in the Netherlands, might pick up some parts. |> :! |> : Assuming it hasn't moved :-)2H |> : south of of Frankfurt, Mannheim, Karlsruhe and Baden-Baden (in that, |> : order) on the Frankfurt-Basel Autobahn. |>  J |> ...but a great deal nearer to Basel than to Frankfurt. In fact, it's inK |> the south-western corner of Germany (and one of the warmest spots, too).p  G True, but I had hoped listing all the other rather well known (at leastbB they were to me) cities would give an example of how far south of F Frankfurt it was.  But a lovely spot and worth the visit even if there  wasn't a VAX waiting there.  :-)  ( |> Quite a journey from the Netherlands.  D Guess that's a matter of perspective.  When last I lived in Germany,F I was in Moenchen-Gladbach up near Venlo, NL and regularly had to makeD one day trips to Pirmasens/Saar.  Thought nothing of it and actuallyB used to enjoy the drive down through Trier,  Especially when I wasA driving the Alfa-Romeo through the mountains.  :-)  I often drivev6 450-500 KM here just to collect a box of QBUS modules.  
 All the best.d   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jan 2001 00:37:42 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: dec 3000 300 crashing- Message-ID: <87ofx8ai09.fsf@prep.synonet.com>i  I Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:o  = > "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@noospammm.met.co.nz> writes:i >  > > test mem eccC > > T_ERR_MEM       - ldl_l bcache miss no victim ad Addr: 00200264  > > Uncorrected error count = 1i > > 84 FAILe > K > This looks like some circuitry supporting the external, board-level cachetI > (hence bcache) is broken. The machine may be able to run without it (at	) > certainly severly reduced performance).a  F Yes, looks very much like the ASICS have gone west, but your sims seem OK.c   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 01:13:59 -0800-+ From: "Wayne Holland" <wholland@tscnet.com>84 Subject: Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry.....O Message-ID: <6C77F60615DED9E0.CBFAD5BB16B1CBC4.38DCE5E6332F476E@lp.airnews.net>   3 OH! I almost forgot one more very disturbing point.eH At Sun microsystems site is a hardware compatiblilty list.  Compaq makesK more intel boxes that can run Solaris 8 than any other manufacture of intelr# boxes.  Now what does this tell us?o  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3A6376D7.72B2067B@videotron.ca... > Ray Swadling wrote:eI > > So there we are.....even Compaq is migrating working software off VMS B > > onto Windows even though the result has poor performance. On aJ > > customer-facing product as well where the performance shortcomings are* > > visible to anyone logging fault calls. >  >tH > I've got news to you. The trend started with Digital. And Compaq isn't going I > to stop it. It knows only Wintel. Wintel is thre future. Unix is just a.1 > temporary solution until Wintel fixes its bugs.  > L > The 8086 will rule, so will Microsoft. Compaq won't let its pesky productsJ > such as Alpha, VMS etc get in the way of its goal to beat IBM by sellingI > enough Wintel boxes to become the number 1 computer maker of the world.u >eJ > VMS would be better in the hands of a company such as Sun or Apple whose head7 > cheese is not affraid to speak out against microsoft.o >tJ > If Sun adopted VMS, it would push it like mad, especially its clusteringF > capacbilities and perhaps nip Linux in the bud. It would also not be affraid-E > to point out to Microsoft how primitive MS attempt at clustering is. compared > to Sun's VMS product.a >uG > Lets face it, Compaq is not interested in pushing its own product. It3 prefers94 > to push Intel and Microsoft products over its own. >tI > Folsk keep predicting that at the next financial statement, Compaq willvK > finally admit that VMS is a cash cow and start to focus more on VMS. Theyo keep+ > saying it, but we keep waiting to see it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:52:12 +0000g% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>d4 Subject: Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry.....8 Message-ID: <hs986t4p9qbg9t8f70931ai0tk3mvbt6p4@4ax.com>  0 On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:05:14 +0000, Ray Swadling <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk> wrote:a    D >The guy in the CSC took all the details, and then as we waited, andB >waited, and waited for the call handling system to cough up a log >number.F >He apologised to me about the delay, and said he was just waiting for >the hourglass to go.oD >I commiserated with him about the downside of using Windows, and heC >said "Well it used to be running on VMS and then it was great, but F >we've now migrated onto this Windows software and its awful....reallyF >slow and although it has nice buttons and things the VMS version just >used to work!!"  @ I can confirm that I've had a UK CSC person say exactly the same thing.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:58:47 -0300f) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bre4 Subject: Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry.....L Message-ID: <OFB0206B62.81E82A87-ON032569D6.00472EC8@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  G This is why I would like Apple or Be to develop a graphical interface /  terminal to OpenVMS....a> I think Compaq should open the legs.... (brazilian expression) Regards    FC              6 Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> em 16/01/2001 08:52:12             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       4 Assunto: Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry.....    0 On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:05:14 +0000, Ray Swadling <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk> wrote:i    D >The guy in the CSC took all the details, and then as we waited, andB >waited, and waited for the call handling system to cough up a log >number.F >He apologised to me about the delay, and said he was just waiting for >the hourglass to go.eD >I commiserated with him about the downside of using Windows, and heC >said "Well it used to be running on VMS and then it was great, buteF >we've now migrated onto this Windows software and its awful....reallyF >slow and although it has nice buttons and things the VMS version just >used to work!!"  @ I can confirm that I've had a UK CSC person say exactly the same thing.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:10:33 -0600r1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>_4 Subject: Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry.....8 Message-ID: <941o1j$77q$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>   Interesting expression.u  6 VMS does have a GUI btw.  Its called DECwindows Motif.   Dave...s  6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OFB0206B62.81E82A87-ON032569D6.00472EC8@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...I > This is why I would like Apple or Be to develop a graphical interface /{ > terminal to OpenVMS....7@ > I think Compaq should open the legs.... (brazilian expression)	 > Regards% >d > FC >] >, >  >  >  >  >t8 > Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> em 16/01/2001 08:52:12 >u >r >, >       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comf >3 >u >r6 > Assunto: Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry..... >v >e2 > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:05:14 +0000, Ray Swadling! > <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk> wrote:  >e >sF > >The guy in the CSC took all the details, and then as we waited, andD > >waited, and waited for the call handling system to cough up a log
 > >number.H > >He apologised to me about the delay, and said he was just waiting for > >the hourglass to go. F > >I commiserated with him about the downside of using Windows, and heE > >said "Well it used to be running on VMS and then it was great, butTH > >we've now migrated onto this Windows software and its awful....reallyH > >slow and although it has nice buttons and things the VMS version just > >used to work!!" >/B > I can confirm that I've had a UK CSC person say exactly the same > thing. >  > -- > Alan Greig >r >  >  >t >t >A   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:53:21 +0000i% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>d4 Subject: Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry.....8 Message-ID: <3ar86tgbfis5khtg9svheq02vn2eo8qdd4@4ax.com>  # On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:58:47 -0300,i* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  H >This is why I would like Apple or Be to develop a graphical interface / >terminal to OpenVMS....? >I think Compaq should open the legs.... (brazilian expression)6 >Regards  C What's wrong with X as a graphical interface to VMS? You want fancymF buttons you can have 'em.  There are also still a few develpment toolsF including Oracle Designer 2000 available for VMS. The question is open2 as to whether this will remain the case in future.  D Even if you want to stickthe front end on a PC there's absolutely no8 reason why the back end processing can't be done by VMS. --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:19:07 -0300t) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br 4 Subject: Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry.....L Message-ID: <OFDDD006EB.F5908FD7-ON032569D6.00640496@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H Two things are important to the end costumer.... performance and a GUI = ! !n !e) They dont care what is the back end .....s  F SAP has tyhe SAPGUI, the Web is a kind of GUI (???), but OpenVMS still usingeE DEC VT terminals and X-Windows which is not the preferable GUI to and>H end-user. It=B4s good for us: system managers becase rhere=B4s a little=  
 complexity to put X-Windows to work !  @ The new OpenVMS GUI shoud  like the Windows GUI.....Using an ICA
 client-like !rH It=B4s important to have a good device driver for OpenVMS run this grap= hicalh? erminal or have a "Citrix Terminal Server-like" under OpenVMS !    Regardsf   FC        6 Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> em 16/01/2001 13:53:21             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComR      4 Assunto: Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry.....    # On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:58:47 -0300,K* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  H >This is why I would like Apple or Be to develop a graphical interface = /. >terminal to OpenVMS....? >I think Compaq should open the legs.... (brazilian expression)H >Regards  C What's wrong with X as a graphical interface to VMS? You want fancy.F buttons you can have 'em.  There are also still a few develpment toolsF including Oracle Designer 2000 available for VMS. The question is open2 as to whether this will remain the case in future.  D Even if you want to stickthe front end on a PC there's absolutely no8 reason why the back end processing can't be done by VMS. --
 Alan Greig         =.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 17:19:11 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: For the FAQ. Setting DECW resolutions6 Message-ID: <941vqf$394$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  b In article <87bstb9zg5.fsf_-_@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:F :There was a question about setting the res for DECWindows on some PCIF :video cards. I mentioned that I had seen this. Well, I have found the :manual at a friends place...h  G   Reminder: Please remember to send any updates you wish to see to the sH   OpenVMS FAQ along to the OpenVMS FAQ maintainer, per the instructions ,   included in the OpenVMS FAQ introduction.   F   Stuff posted here might well get missed -- I have forwarded this FAQD   upgrade request along to the maintainer of the OpenVMS FAQ.  (Yes,C   really.  Updates are tracked via mail messages and mail folders.)i  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:34:55 -0200f1 From: "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br>r Subject: Free Cobol Compiler... 5 Message-ID: <000e01c07feb$0652b6a0$7136bfc8@valdemir>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C07FDA.41F75460e Content-Type: text/plain;e 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablea  J I=B4d like to know if is there any free Cobol compiler similar to Compaq = Cobol to use in my PC.
 Thank you.  + ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C07FDA.41F754602 Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"d+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>3 <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =t http-equiv=3DContent-Type>9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR>, <STYLE></STYLE>d </HEAD>o <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>J <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I=B4d like to know if is there any free = Cobol=20> compiler similar to Compaq Cobol to use in my PC.</FONT></DIV>F <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>  - ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C07FDA.41F75460--e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:04:33 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>$ Subject: Re: GS160 hardware question* Message-ID: <3A641CB1.3B70994E@uk.sun.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > _ > In article <3A633D01.9DBF8C0D@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:i > C > > OK Kerry, so you forgot accusing me of FUD when I told you thathA > > Compaq were unlikely to get good TPC-C performance out of theeC > > WildFire without resorting to the OPS in a box scheme pioneerede > > by Sequent.n > 
 > Oh, Andrew:l > M >         The highest VMS relational database performance is with Oracle Rdb.e > 6 >         Oracle Parallel Server is for Oracle Oracle. >    What are you raving about ?   ? Firstly the suggestion that RDB provides the highest relationaluA database performance on VMS (I assume you actually mean OpenVMS) gA is not based on any actual benchmark data is it. I don't rememberl@ anyone actually running RDB/Oracle Oracle benchmarks for say TPC= side by side on the same system using OpenVMS to verify this g claim.   But thats as may be.  A Instead why don't you explain why your distinction between Oracle > RDB and Oracle Oracle has any relevance to a discussion about > the tuning you might have to do to get good performance out of a NUMA system.   Regards. Andrew Harrisond Enterprise IT Architecto   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:09:34 +0000o0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>$ Subject: Re: GS160 hardware question* Message-ID: <3A641DDE.37CE436B@uk.sun.com>   Jordan Henderson wrote:0 > , > In article <3A633D01.9DBF8C0D@uk.sun.com>,4 > andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: > >"Main, Kerry" wrote:s > >> > >> Andrew, > >>E > >> It looks like after a slow start, you are back in gear again :-)  > >>P > >> >>> Though why you have refrained from posting this nugget of wisdom beforeO > >> is intriguing, Kerry has been arguing for a long time on this group, alongrH > >> with other OpenVMS boosters that any suggestion that data has to beP > >> partitioned on WildFire to get good performance is just FUD. Where were you > >> ????????<<< > >>G > >> Please provide a direct quote from me that even remotely indicatesgN > >> applications do not need to be reviewed for NUMA considerations or simply> > >> admit you are throwing out FUD to suit your own purposes. > >> > >eB > >OK Kerry, so you forgot accusing me of FUD when I told you that@ > >Compaq were unlikely to get good TPC-C performance out of theB > >WildFire without resorting to the OPS in a box scheme pioneered > >by Sequent. > >  > < > Hmmm... Please, enlighten us, I've searched dejanews and I? > can't find Kerry accusing you of FUD surrounding OPS in a boxI > on Wildfire. > 0 > If you can't find it will you finally go away? >   / You didn't look hard enough rummage a bit more.s  C > >Hint OPS in a box is partitioning the database to get around thea" > >issues of having a NUMA system. > >a > ; > (Translation: OPS in a box is a scheme to get the highest"8 > performance out of a NUMA system when running Oracle.) >    You forgot to add.  7 By using the fact that OPS allows you to run instances -; on QBB's which effectively partition your memory subsystem i9 reducing the traffic over the switch interconnect to lockt= and recovery traffic. This is very helpfull in a NUMA system.t   Regards2 Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect5   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jan 2001 10:27:00 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)e$ Subject: Re: GS160 hardware question+ Message-ID: <ThU9Bg1tP9qw@eisner.decus.org>x  ] In article <3A641CB1.3B70994E@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:t > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> e` >> In article <3A633D01.9DBF8C0D@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: >> pD >> > OK Kerry, so you forgot accusing me of FUD when I told you thatB >> > Compaq were unlikely to get good TPC-C performance out of theD >> > WildFire without resorting to the OPS in a box scheme pioneered >> > by Sequent. >> - >> Oh, Andrew: >> aN >>         The highest VMS relational database performance is with Oracle Rdb. >> t7 >>         Oracle Parallel Server is for Oracle Oracle.E >> 0 >  > What are you raving about ?o > A > Firstly the suggestion that RDB provides the highest relationalmC > database performance on VMS (I assume you actually mean OpenVMS) s  7 (Andrew must be applying for a Compaq marketing job :-)t  C > is not based on any actual benchmark data is it. I don't remember B > anyone actually running RDB/Oracle Oracle benchmarks for say TPC? > side by side on the same system using OpenVMS to verify this h > claim. >  > But thats as may be. > C > Instead why don't you explain why your distinction between Oraclec@ > RDB and Oracle Oracle has any relevance to a discussion about @ > the tuning you might have to do to get good performance out of > a NUMA system.  8 You made a flat statement that OPS-in-a-box is required.  - OPS is irrelevant to Oracle Rdb, as I see it.a  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:10:48 +0100"= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>s! Subject: Re: HIghest file versionn) Message-ID: <3A645668.AAA7C52B@gtech.com>    "Miller, Daniel" wrote:&F > What is the highest file version allowed in VMS?  We have VMS 7.2-1.   Still 32767.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:21:40 -0500)( From: Android <Andy.Warren@Teradyne.com>! Subject: Re: HIghest file versiond, Message-ID: <3A646704.4FE38027@Teradyne.com>  I I don't use ODS5 (which may be different?)  But, under ODS2, 32767 is the 2 maximum file version number...  ie FILE.TYPE;32767     Android    "Miller, Daniel" wrote:[   > Hi everyone, >mF > What is the highest file version allowed in VMS?  We have VMS 7.2-1. >d > TIA, >  > Daniel Millern   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:17:10 +0000]% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>]! Subject: Re: HIghest file version 8 Message-ID: <3ts86t8vvhgh7loq8ruc38o8jctl8ujbom@4ax.com>  / On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:10:48 +0100, Arne Vajhjg <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:    >"Miller, Daniel" wrote:G >> What is the highest file version allowed in VMS?  We have VMS 7.2-1.g >I
 >Still 32767.n  B I think that limit was removed in the nw defunct Spiralog for what+ it's worth. Could be misremembering though.g     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:46:39 +0000Y* From: Hitendra Patel <hiten@star.rl.ac.uk> Subject: HOWTO: Mounting deviceX- Message-ID: <3A646CDE.5E026AD0@star.rl.ac.uk>    Greeting All  D It's been a while since I used VMS but one of our user wants to readF data off his tape. He doesn't  remember the dataset name etc: Think he used the backup command.  ? 1.. How do I read the data from tape to disk (tapedrive = mub1)9  E 2.. How do I mount mub1: - I've tried mount/foreign mub1:  but on thee- main console I get Please mount MUB1 for xxxxa    ! Any help will be appreciated.....n   Many thanksa Hitenf --  $                                \\|//$                                (o -)F ---------------------------oOOo~(_)~oOOo------------------------------  F HITENDRA PATEL                              EMAIL: hiten@star.rl.ac.uk  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------@    The contents of this email are sent in confidence for the useG    of the intended recipients only.  If you are not one of the intended E    recipients do not take action on it or show it to anyone else, buta>    return this email to the sender and delete your copy of it.F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:48:01 -0600.* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov># Subject: RE: HOWTO: Mounting device - Message-ID: <0033000013639207000002L072*@MHS>h   =0A$ mount/over=3Did mub1:  = From there, a DIR will *slowly* get the information you want.r  H Don't forget to dismount and then remount the tape because you'll never=  : get to that saveset if you have the tape mounted FILES-11.   WWWebb -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ( Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 11:04 AM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: HOWTO: Mounting device      Greeting All  D It's been a while since I used VMS but one of our user wants to readF data off his tape. He doesn't  remember the dataset name etc: Think he used the backup command.  A 1.. How do I read the data from tape to disk (tapedrive =3D mub1)u  E 2.. How do I mount mub1: - I've tried mount/foreign mub1:  but on thef- main console I get Please mount MUB1 for xxxx,    ! Any help will be appreciated.....p   Many thankst Hiten> --  $                                \\|//$                                (o -)F ---------------------------oOOo~(_)~oOOo------------------------------  F HITENDRA PATEL                              EMAIL: hiten@star.rl.ac.uk  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------@    The contents of this email are sent in confidence for the useH    of the intended recipients only.  If you are not one of the intended=  E    recipients do not take action on it or show it to anyone else, but >    return this email to the sender and delete your copy of it.G ----------------------------------------------------------------------=r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:06:05 +0000h- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> # Subject: Re: HOWTO: Mounting devicee) Message-ID: <3A647F7D.5BE8B937@bbc.co.uk>>   Hitendra Patel wrote:e   > Greeting All > F > It's been a while since I used VMS but one of our user wants to readH > data off his tape. He doesn't  remember the dataset name etc: Think he > used the backup command. >gA > 1.. How do I read the data from tape to disk (tapedrive = mub1)d >S  I It depends on how the tape was written. If its a tape written on VMS thenc you could try:   $ mount/over=id mub1C it should then reply with a message containing the ANSI tape label.   ' You can then do a directory of the tape    $ dir/siz=all/date mub0:  I to see what files are there. Once you have decided what files you want tot& copy, then you can try something like:   $ set def mydisk:[mydir] $ copy mub0:myfile []/log   , (copies specified file to current directory.  K It is possible but unlikely that the tape is a written by VMS backup with a@	 blocksizesI greater than the maximum allowed by Files-11, in which case you will needr toJ mount the tape /foreign and use the BACKUP command to list and extract the data.s   >.G > 2.. How do I mount mub1: - I've tried mount/foreign mub1:  but on thes/ > main console I get Please mount MUB1 for xxxxr >d  D Please supply exact commands used, messages received and output from $ show device MUB1.k     >a# > Any help will be appreciated.....  >t  
 No problem   >e
 > Many thanksl > Hiten. > -- >>& >                                \\|//& >                                (o -)H > ---------------------------oOOo~(_)~oOOo------------------------------ >eH > HITENDRA PATEL                              EMAIL: hiten@star.rl.ac.uk >rH > ----------------------------------------------------------------------B >    The contents of this email are sent in confidence for the useI >    of the intended recipients only.  If you are not one of the intended G >    recipients do not take action on it or show it to anyone else, butM@ >    return this email to the sender and delete your copy of it.H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofm MedAS or the BBC.a   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jan 2001 00:46:53 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>6 Subject: Re: HW collection (was Re: Dec 3000 300 help)- Message-ID: <87g0ikahky.fsf@prep.synonet.com>-  , Steve Jones <smj@spamfree.crash.com> writes:  H > And by any chance, has the local power utility assigned you a personal > account rep? ;^)  K Funny you should mention that. I think he must have been here this morning.u 30 min power out.s  F First cluster outage since about Xmas... Hey Andrew, am I beating eBay yet?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda..@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:02:03 GMTa, From: "J. Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> Subject: Re: lib$Spawn5 Message-ID: <LnZ86.31144$7.1199481@quark.idirect.com>:  - Insert the following before the UNZIP command   
 $ SET NOON   Scott5A "Dominic Olivastro" <DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com> wrote in messages news:3kZ86.7$xG2.203@client...= > I have a program that writes a command procedure like this:  >t$ > $ UNZIP-xj  asdf.zip 123.dat -d [] > $ DELETE asdf.zip.*  >gK > Here, UNZIP is a symbol pointing to the freeware UNZIP_532.exe.  Then the J > program SPAWNS the command procedure.  If the UNZIP works, everything isJ > fine.  But if it fails -- if, eg, 123.dat is not found in the archive --L > then the second command is not executed.  It is as though the UNZIP forces > the spawned procedure to end.  > K > 1.  Can I stop this from happening?  I want the second command to execute  > under all circumstances. >-H > 2.  How does unzip do this?  No DCL command, when it fails, forces the > spawned procedure to end.: >: > TIA, > DOMe >n >E > -- > Dominic Olivastro  > CHI Research, Inc0 > 10 White Horse Pike  > Haddon Heights, NJ 08035 >9 > Phone:  1-856-546-0600 > Fax:       1-856-546-9633o' > mailto:    DOlivastro@ChiResearch.come >n >h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:03:58 -0500 6 From: "Dominic Olivastro" <DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com> Subject: lib$Spawn$ Message-ID: <3kZ86.7$xG2.203@client>  ; I have a program that writes a command procedure like this:m  " $ UNZIP-xj  asdf.zip 123.dat -d [] $ DELETE asdf.zip.*   I Here, UNZIP is a symbol pointing to the freeware UNZIP_532.exe.  Then thewH program SPAWNS the command procedure.  If the UNZIP works, everything isH fine.  But if it fails -- if, eg, 123.dat is not found in the archive --J then the second command is not executed.  It is as though the UNZIP forces the spawned procedure to end.   I 1.  Can I stop this from happening?  I want the second command to execute- under all circumstances.  F 2.  How does unzip do this?  No DCL command, when it fails, forces the spawned procedure to end.o   TIA, DOM      -- Dominic Olivastro$ CHI Research, Inca 10 White Horse Pike  Haddon Heights, NJ 08035   Phone:  1-856-546-0600 Fax:       1-856-546-96336% mailto:    DOlivastro@ChiResearch.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:08:09 +0100t= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: lib$Spawn) Message-ID: <3A6463D9.774EE901@gtech.com>0   Dominic Olivastro wrote:= > I have a program that writes a command procedure like this:: > $ > $ UNZIP-xj  asdf.zip 123.dat -d [] > $ DELETE asdf.zip.*  > K > Here, UNZIP is a symbol pointing to the freeware UNZIP_532.exe.  Then the1J > program SPAWNS the command procedure.  If the UNZIP works, everything isJ > fine.  But if it fails -- if, eg, 123.dat is not found in the archive --L > then the second command is not executed.  It is as though the UNZIP forces > the spawned procedure to end.b > K > 1.  Can I stop this from happening?  I want the second command to executeN > under all circumstances. > H > 2.  How does unzip do this?  No DCL command, when it fails, forces the > spawned procedure to end.:  > It is "standard" for DCL procedured to exit in case of errors.  A You can use $ SET NOON or $ ON ERROR THEN CONTINUE to change this.
 behaviour.   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 17:59:05 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)< Subject: Re: License - Dec C for OpenVMS AXP and broken link6 Message-ID: <942259$394$6@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  c In article <979563365.354372@news.puk.ac.za>, "Phillip du Plooy" <itbpjdp@puknet.puk.ac.za> writes:e  L :I want to install Dec C on one of my Alpha's, I have the following license:I :Part number QL-MU7AE-AA . How do I know on what type of Alpha I can loadrH :this (1000, 2100 or ES40 all running OpenVMS V7.2-1) on and what is the& :highest version of C that I can run.   "   C works across the product line.  4   Compaq C V6.2 is current, with V6.4 about to ship.     :The SPD links on the page:t9 :http://www5.compaq.com/emea/software/uk/COCOVMS.html nl.m9 :http://www.digital.com/SP2538/SP2538SC.TXT  are broken. n  A   The SPD area is busted due to some, well, I won't go into it...o  7   Folks are working on getting the SPDs back on-line...n  # :Where can I download the software?d  F   From a media distribution kit, either specific to C or that containsE   a variety of layered products.  (I am not aware of a website where hD   Compaq has authorized general access and download of distribution     kits for C or other products.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:53:11 +0100 (MET):& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>  Subject: Re: Mhz of a Alpha CPU?6 Message-ID: <200101160749.IAA15585@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Antony Wardle wrotes:a   >>> try show cpu  B I did do that, but did not get the Mhz by this kind of CPU (ES40).   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:45:19 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> 5 Subject: Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc.?8 Message-ID: <8p886tc2m6kiaf1qvknpgggu0jfjcin3mg@4ax.com>  A On 15 Jan 2001 16:15:12 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (Davidi Mathog) wrote:   >.   The Apache portL >was a nice gesture (and maybe it has even displaced the OSU server in a fewF >places), but it doesn't offset the fact that the sole supported (sic)H >browser for VMS is Netscape 3.03, nor does it limit the downside to the  < Mozilla  1.0 is currently sheduled for release no later than; 28-May-2001 according to the web site roadmap. Assuming VMS E engineering have JAVA support and HTTPS sorted by then I would expectiC to see Mozilla 1.0 (equivalent to Netscape 6) released very shortly C thereafter.. Mozilla 0.7 (current pre-beta) seems considerably more  stable than 0.6x  I >absence of the vast majority of commercial server applications and everysJ >commercial single user productivity application, from word processors, to >mathematica, to CAD/CAM etc   >t	 >Regards,n > 
 >David Mathog  >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu@ >Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 12:17:57 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)h5 Subject: Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc.r0 Message-ID: <941e5l$da5$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  ` In article <8p886tc2m6kiaf1qvknpgggu0jfjcin3mg@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:B >On 15 Jan 2001 16:15:12 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David >Mathog) wrote:i >r= >Mozilla  1.0 is currently sheduled for release no later thane< >28-May-2001 according to the web site roadmap. Assuming VMSF >engineering have JAVA support and HTTPS sorted by then I would expectD >to see Mozilla 1.0 (equivalent to Netscape 6) released very shortlyD >thereafter.. Mozilla 0.7 (current pre-beta) seems considerably more >stable than 0.6 >-  A Whats the performance like - better or worse than Netscape 3.03 ?i    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jan 2001 10:29:45 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)O5 Subject: Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc.o+ Message-ID: <NMYYt6n0ZUJH@eisner.decus.org>d  ` In article <8p886tc2m6kiaf1qvknpgggu0jfjcin3mg@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:C > On 15 Jan 2001 16:15:12 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (Davidb > Mathog) wrote: >  >>.   The Apache portnM >>was a nice gesture (and maybe it has even displaced the OSU server in a fewCG >>places), but it doesn't offset the fact that the sole supported (sic)iI >>browser for VMS is Netscape 3.03, nor does it limit the downside to ther > > > Mozilla  1.0 is currently sheduled for release no later than= > 28-May-2001 according to the web site roadmap. Assuming VMSoG > engineering have JAVA support and HTTPS sorted by then I would expectnE > to see Mozilla 1.0 (equivalent to Netscape 6) released very shortly E > thereafter.. Mozilla 0.7 (current pre-beta) seems considerably more= > stable than 0.6=  2 I thought the Mozilla work for VMS was Alpha-only.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 16:13:15 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)-5 Subject: Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc. + Message-ID: <941rur$95s$1@info.cs.uofs.edu><  + In article <NMYYt6n0ZUJH@eisner.decus.org>,f<  Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:c |> In article <8p886tc2m6kiaf1qvknpgggu0jfjcin3mg@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:l |> > .A |> > Mozilla  1.0 is currently sheduled for release no later than1@ |> > 28-May-2001 according to the web site roadmap. Assuming VMSJ |> > engineering have JAVA support and HTTPS sorted by then I would expectH |> > to see Mozilla 1.0 (equivalent to Netscape 6) released very shortlyH |> > thereafter.. Mozilla 0.7 (current pre-beta) seems considerably more |> > stable than 0.6 |>  5 |> I thought the Mozilla work for VMS was Alpha-only.l  > If it requires JAVA support it apparently is.  Weren't we told4 here that JAVA support on the VAX was not possible??  > However, being a VAX user, I am perfectly willing to be proven wrong once again.f   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   g   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:46:43 +0000i% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>s5 Subject: Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc.-8 Message-ID: <7oo86tshdm7i311mok34oouootvvirfsad@4ax.com>  E On 16 Jan 2001 12:17:57 GMT, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) wrote:d  a >In article <8p886tc2m6kiaf1qvknpgggu0jfjcin3mg@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:sC >>On 15 Jan 2001 16:15:12 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David' >>Mathog) wrote: >>> >>Mozilla  1.0 is currently sheduled for release no later than= >>28-May-2001 according to the web site roadmap. Assuming VMSoG >>engineering have JAVA support and HTTPS sorted by then I would expecteE >>to see Mozilla 1.0 (equivalent to Netscape 6) released very shortly.E >>thereafter.. Mozilla 0.7 (current pre-beta) seems considerably more  >>stable than 0.6  >> > B >Whats the performance like - better or worse than Netscape 3.03 ?  D Seems pretty good to me. Quite some time since I fired up Netscape 3F on VMS. However on one monitor on my desk I have Internet Exploder 5.5E on Win 2K (500 Mhz Pentium III). On the other I have Mozilla 0.7, VMSfB 7.2-1 ES40 (500 Mhz). Performance seems just a little slower. SomeF pages actually seem to load faster. It's speeded up quite a bit as theD pre-beta releases advance and in two days it has so far crashed onlyD once with some fairly heavy usage -  a considerable improvement over 0.6.  B Seems reliable enough at accessing our CCmail IMAP server as well.? Can't test it's news ability due to firewall issues. If it does:D support SOCKS, I haven't yet figured out how to make it work throughC our firewall despite adding an appropriate (I think) SOCKS entry iny8 the proxy config. http and ftp proxies work fine though.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:23:34 +0000e% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>i5 Subject: Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc.t8 Message-ID: <t3t86t4m3pugoai5bjgv29k8avt362nrqo@4ax.com>  @ On 16 Jan 2001 10:29:45 -0500, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  a >In article <8p886tc2m6kiaf1qvknpgggu0jfjcin3mg@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:HD >> On 15 Jan 2001 16:15:12 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David >> Mathog) wrote:o >> a >>>.   The Apache portN >>>was a nice gesture (and maybe it has even displaced the OSU server in a fewH >>>places), but it doesn't offset the fact that the sole supported (sic)J >>>browser for VMS is Netscape 3.03, nor does it limit the downside to the >>  ? >> Mozilla  1.0 is currently sheduled for release no later than-> >> 28-May-2001 according to the web site roadmap. Assuming VMSH >> engineering have JAVA support and HTTPS sorted by then I would expectF >> to see Mozilla 1.0 (equivalent to Netscape 6) released very shortlyF >> thereafter.. Mozilla 0.7 (current pre-beta) seems considerably more >> stable than 0.6 >e3 >I thought the Mozilla work for VMS was Alpha-only.r  B It is. But I can't seem to find a message in the thread specifyingC VAX. Sorry if I've missed something. I tend to think Alpha as we no-F longer operate any production VAXes locally. Guess if I was supporting- a bunch of VAXstations I'd think differently.  --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jan 2001 22:23:56 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>5 Subject: Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc.i- Message-ID: <87wvbv60eb.fsf@prep.synonet.com>S  ' Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:o  C > On 15 Jan 2001 16:15:12 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (Davidd > Mathog) wrote:   ... H > >places), but it doesn't offset the fact that the sole supported (sic)J > >browser for VMS is Netscape 3.03, nor does it limit the downside to the > > > Mozilla  1.0 is currently sheduled for release no later than= > 28-May-2001 according to the web site roadmap. Assuming VMSiG > engineering have JAVA support and HTTPS sorted by then I would expect E > to see Mozilla 1.0 (equivalent to Netscape 6) released very shortlynE > thereafter.. Mozilla 0.7 (current pre-beta) seems considerably more/ > stable than 0.6c  < Bzzzt. Ah, does the word VAX ring a bell, or is there a Java kit for vaxen now?  @ I used Mozzilla once. I'm sure it is much nicer with on a 866MHz? 264 with 512MB. Sucks rocks on a 96 meg M600 though. Like it isa on an IPC, *painfull*!   As for the Jave pdf thing...   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:57:36 -0500a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)( Subject: Re: no video output from a 3100L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1601011257370001@user-2iveao3.dialup.mindspring.com>  f In article <P8Q86.2982$1x4.555199@news.uswest.net>, "Phillip D. Williams" <edhouse00@qwest.net> wrote:   > Hello-3 > I have a 3100 M38 that will not display any video 8 > output regardless what position s3 switch is in. I can6 > see the lights doing their countdown, but no output.7 > The 3100 doesnot have any graphics board install, butc9 > I should still see a countdown if I have a VT connecteds > to the printer port  right???o    H Make sure you cycle the power after changing S3.  I think it only checks the switch on powerup.  = You should get a countdown on the console, whereever that is.C   -- l Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com@   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 01:04:44 -0800n+ From: "Wayne Holland" <wholland@tscnet.com>A Subject: Oldtimers response-O Message-ID: <0895A83C6EA85CA8.D023B5C33D46CBB6.954901EA1AAFCC94@lp.airnews.net>p  L You are absolutely correct!  Wasn't it Compaq that started up in 1978 with a Z80 in a sewing machine box?G And that is how it got its name?  Compaq's website speaks volumes.  ItsaJ pushing wintel, but if you check on Alpha workstations all it says is thatK someone will call you.  I want to know the prices without a salesman. ThatsmJ what the website is supposed to be about.  It should have cut their costs.C Nope!  You are right about vms is on its way out, tho... they don'tsJ advertise!  I mentioned the word VMS to a college student once and he saidG "Whats that?"  It looks like the golden parachute is once again open onlL those in charge of vms.  I saw this phenomena many times in the past and its! always the same... bail out time!n  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3A6376D7.72B2067B@videotron.ca... > Ray Swadling wrote:hI > > So there we are.....even Compaq is migrating working software off VMSrB > > onto Windows even though the result has poor performance. On aJ > > customer-facing product as well where the performance shortcomings are* > > visible to anyone logging fault calls. >n >-H > I've got news to you. The trend started with Digital. And Compaq isn't going$I > to stop it. It knows only Wintel. Wintel is thre future. Unix is just aa1 > temporary solution until Wintel fixes its bugs.e > L > The 8086 will rule, so will Microsoft. Compaq won't let its pesky productsJ > such as Alpha, VMS etc get in the way of its goal to beat IBM by sellingI > enough Wintel boxes to become the number 1 computer maker of the world.  >uJ > VMS would be better in the hands of a company such as Sun or Apple whose head7 > cheese is not affraid to speak out against microsoft.l >eJ > If Sun adopted VMS, it would push it like mad, especially its clusteringF > capacbilities and perhaps nip Linux in the bud. It would also not be affraidaE > to point out to Microsoft how primitive MS attempt at clustering ist compared > to Sun's VMS product.  > G > Lets face it, Compaq is not interested in pushing its own product. Itn prefersr4 > to push Intel and Microsoft products over its own. > I > Folsk keep predicting that at the next financial statement, Compaq willnK > finally admit that VMS is a cash cow and start to focus more on VMS. They  keep+ > saying it, but we keep waiting to see it.d   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jan 2001 10:18:02 -06003 From: rivie@server.newlogan.teraglobal (Roger Ivie)- Subject: Re: Oldtimers response = Message-ID: <slrn968t99.24j.rivie@server.newlogan.teraglobal>o  P In article <0895A83C6EA85CA8.D023B5C33D46CBB6.954901EA1AAFCC94@lp.airnews.net>,  Wayne Holland wrote:M >You are absolutely correct!  Wasn't it Compaq that started up in 1978 with ae >Z80 in a sewing machine box?0  A Nope. Compaq put an 8088 in a sewing machine box. You're probablyt> thinking of the Osborne 1 or, possibly, the Kaypro II, both of which were Z80s in such boxes. -- e
 Roger Ivie% TeraGlobal Communications Corporatione& 1770 North Research Park Way Suite 100 Logan, UT 84341> mailto:rivie@teraglobal.comt phoneto:(435)787-0555d faxto:(435)787-0516r    > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!o> -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:56:26 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br03 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Volume Management (On the fly)ML Message-ID: <OFABC52713.55A46C05-ON032569D6.00361637@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  G Of course is this Bill..... Nowadays Sun/ Veritas are saying that theirr file-system isJ better to use in a 24x7x365 environments because, when is needed to resize a G  file-system (put more disks in the RAID without dismount the RAID) thei whole server? doesnt need to be stopped to umount / resize / mount the fs....l  K I Compaq wants to be known as the Non Stop company, they must think is thisoI kind of solution for all the plataforms...OVMS / Tru64 / NT / Linux .....y   Regardsr   FC        8 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> em 15/01/2001 23:15:47             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma      3 Assunto: Re: OpenVMS Volume Management (On the fly)e      @ David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:3A6366C3.5BFF6846@earthlink.net...t, > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > >KF > > This is bad, because Sun uses these arguments when they sell their > > "High Availbility Systems".n > >aE > > Volume Manager can do file system grow/shrinking on the fly .....1 > >GH > > I think the storage people from Compaq must re-think the features of theAH > >  Volune Shadow and RAID 5 software. Mount another disk in the volume > > on the fly ..... >eF > I believe *THAT* is what's known as a volume-set, and I believe it's9 > been around since ODS-1, if I'm not too badly mistaken.d  G You are correct that ODS-x volume sets have been around for a very longtF time.  However, you are mistaken in thinking that this is what fabio's talking about.  K Sun's volume manager, which I think is based on the Veritas volume manager,eB allows one to add a disk to even a parity-based RAID set (not justH concatenate another disk onto the end of a concatenated volume set, likeE ODS-x's) and redistribute the data to include it - on-line (though atcH noticeable cost in data-shuffling).  The file system (at least Veritas', and J likely Sun's as well) can then be told to make use of the additional space/ on the newly-expanded logical volume - on-line.f  F As you can imagine, the ability to grow a (RAID-protected) file systemK dynamically to meet growing needs has significant availability implicationspH compared to having to perform a backup/reconfigure/restore sequence when youg run out of space.s   >p= > $ MOUNT/SYSTEM $1$DUA1,$2$DUA2 DRIVE01,DRIVE02/BIND=VOLSET1  >1C > You can add a disk to volume-set without DISMOUNTing the existinghG > volumes. There is no direct relationship to either shadowing or RAID.o >sF > However, individual physical volumes within a set may only ever be aJ > fixed size; that is, a disk may not change size while it's MOUNTed. If aJ > volume did change size, it would have to be re-INITIALIZEd to make a newJ > BITMAP(.SYS) and a new INDEXF(.SYS) which, of course, means the contentsJ > effectively disappear. If you understand ODS, then you should understand > why.  E There's nothing inherent in ODS-2's design that would have prohibited. makingI the allocation bitmap and the index file (and its bitmap) discontiguouslyoI extendible (i.e., treat them more like normal files).  But when ODS-2 was K designed, the only volumes whose size could change were concatenated volumenH sets (which it treats differently anyway, IIRC, with separate per-volumeJ index files - and per-volume bitmaps?):  RAID hadn't been invented yet, so2 there was little reason to make the size flexible.  H Now there is.  Be nice if ODS-2 was enhanced accordingly - which is what fabio was getting at.-   - bill   > , > Some additional reference can be found at: >i= > http://www.djesys.com/vms/freevms/mentor/vms_path.html#devc  >p > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems2 > http://www.djesys.com/ >m< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u >0H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. >rB > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. >rH > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:42:34 +0000?0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Volume Management (On the fly).* Message-ID: <3A64880A.71AAE6A6@uk.sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote: > B > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message) > news:3A6366C3.5BFF6846@earthlink.net...1. > > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > > >tH > > > This is bad, because Sun uses these arguments when they sell their! > > > "High Availbility Systems".e > > >pG > > > Volume Manager can do file system grow/shrinking on the fly .....  > > > N > > > I think the storage people from Compaq must re-think the features of theJ > > >  Volune Shadow and RAID 5 software. Mount another disk in the volume > > > on the fly ..... > >nH > > I believe *THAT* is what's known as a volume-set, and I believe it's; > > been around since ODS-1, if I'm not too badly mistaken.h > I > You are correct that ODS-x volume sets have been around for a very long H > time.  However, you are mistaken in thinking that this is what fabio's > talking about. > M > Sun's volume manager, which I think is based on the Veritas volume manager,lD > allows one to add a disk to even a parity-based RAID set (not justJ > concatenate another disk onto the end of a concatenated volume set, likeG > ODS-x's) and redistribute the data to include it - on-line (though ateN > noticeable cost in data-shuffling).  The file system (at least Veritas', andL > likely Sun's as well) can then be told to make use of the additional space1 > on the newly-expanded logical volume - on-line.r > D Just to be really confusing Sun has two volume managers, Veritas and Sun's own Online DiskSuite.   D They both allow you to grow a volume and both VxFS and UFS allow you/ to grow the filesystem mounted on that volume.    B They both write lock the filesystem while the filesystem is being A grown and if you are making a very large increase in FS size then B it may be worth doing it in stages. The write lock is transparent  to apps.  C To my knowledge the AIX and HP-UX filesystems/volume managers also m= allow you to grow their fileystems though you could also use s Veritas and VxFs as well.m     regardsf Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectd   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:04:35 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brh Subject: OpenVMS x AS-400 L Message-ID: <OF4FC5AA60.2DA1B3B2-ON032569D6.004D2E50@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  9 Schlumberger, one of the oldest companies in Brazil usingu> OpenVMS + Oracle turned off their machines to use the "legacy" IBM  AS-400 running SAP .......l   It=B4s bad ! ! !   Regardsx   FC=c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:38:02 +0100 6 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vandijk@getronics.nl> Subject: RE: OpenVMS x AS-400iM Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511BF1024@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>u  I Is bad for VMS, but for that company OS/400 a very good second choice.=20.   -----Original Message-----) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bre, [mailto:fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br]# Sent: dinsdag 16 januari 2001 15:05t To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comw Subject: OpenVMS x AS-400x    9 Schlumberger, one of the oldest companies in Brazil using > OpenVMS + Oracle turned off their machines to use the "legacy" IBM  AS-400 running SAP .......i   It=B4s bad ! ! !   Regardsn   FC   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:20:15 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>, Subject: Problems to add a DS20 to a cluster6 Message-ID: <200101160816.JAA15813@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  H I do have a lot of problems to add a DS20 with a combo (two channel SCSIH and 10/100base T[X] Ethernet), two U2 (3X-KZP??-??), Elsa Gloria SynergyE and a Gigabit Ethernet (DEPGA). All network cards are connetcted. ThejF first time this DS20 crashed during boot and hangs on memory dump. TheG second time this host hangs during boot after first cluster connection.WF Nothing goes on. The difference to other DS20 (two more) is that thereH is a connected Gigabit interface. Could this be the problem? Or could itB be any hardware or configuration error and I should call the fieldD service? Or is the problem that cluster communication is unsupported) via Gigabit Ethernet under OpebVMS 7.1-2.t   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:09:10 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>u" Subject: Re: Run .com Every 5 Min?) Message-ID: <3A645606.AE903B2B@gtech.com>T   Ken Kazama wrote: < > How can I run a command procedure in batch every 5 miutes?/ > I don't find any SUBMIT option can do this...o   Let the job resubmit itself.   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:00:11 GMT$' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>c Subject: Re: select() on VMS- Message-ID: <3A6428E3.C17CFC7F@theblakes.com>a  K On Alpha, with upcalls enabled (in the LINK command), I can assure you thatl+ select() does NOT block the entire process.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:30:27 -0500 / From: Dave Butenhof <David.Butenhof@compaq.com>e Subject: Re: select() on VMS* Message-ID: <3A645B03.AAF16F28@compaq.com>   Colin Blake wrote:  M > On Alpha, with upcalls enabled (in the LINK command), I can assure you thatm- > select() does NOT block the entire process.t  N But note that the LINK/THREADS switch must be on the MAIN image. It doesn't do+ anything if you use it on a shared library.   C /------------------[ David.Butenhof@compaq.com ]------------------\IC | Compaq Computer Corporation              POSIX Thread Architect |pC |     My book: http://www.awl.com/cseng/titles/0-201-63392-2/     | C \-----[ http://home.earthlink.net/~anneart/family/dave.html ]-----/s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:59:28 GMT-* From: Eugene Zharkov <zharkov@my-deja.com> Subject: Re: select() on VMS) Message-ID: <941r4r$qea$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r  - In article <3A6428E3.C17CFC7F@theblakes.com>,-*   Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> wrote:H > On Alpha, with upcalls enabled (in the LINK command), I can assure you that- > select() does NOT block the entire process.5  5 Yes, that is what I have always thought. Even withouta6 upcalls it does not block the entire process. At least0 not "until the specified I/O events occur or the4 timeout expires", maybe just for up to 200 millisec.3 But then again, system calls without upcalls (QIOW,G8 for example), may also block the entire processs for 2006 millisec. I.e., the select() call is not any different8 from system calls in this sense. That is why I got a bit7 scared by that statement in the documentation. It gives 5 the impession that the system calls are fine and that * it is just the select() call is a bad guy.  5 So, is there really a difference in behaviour betweenp5 QIO and select() ? Another question is what does "UCXe0 Runtime Calls are not always thread safe" mean ?     Sent via Deja.comr http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:08:50 -0500a  From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil1 Subject: Re: Setup OPCOM console under DecWindowse0 Message-ID: <01011610085084@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  = "Michael Holmes" <NOSPAM.raider@NOSPAM.mindless.com> wrote onbD Sat, 13 Jan 2001 23:03:37 +0100 in <93qjfn01ps6@enews3.newsguy.com>:  ' > I'm running VMS 7.2 on Dec 3000-300L.eA > I recently got a monitor for it and have it boot to DecWindows.  > M > I don't have any manuals.  I was wondering what logical or  xxx$startup.comuK > file I need to change to have the opcom console come up on the DecWindowsn > terminal.- > : > thanks for the help, first time messing with Decwindows.I > If you know of any good URLs for DecWindows please share them as well..s > 	 > Michaelc  F The logical that controls the Console Window is DECW$CONSOLE_SELECTIONG and it is set in SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_APPS_SETUP.COM. There is alsoiF DECW$CONSOLE_GEOMETRY to control the placement and size of the window.  J See the Motif release notes (i.e., SYS$HELP:DECW$MOTIFU4012.RELEASE_NOTES)? for "Console Window Application" that was added in Motif 1.2-3.g  : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919c; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919e5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 09:52:18 GMT- From: "Phil Tregoning" <ptregoni@esoc.esa.de> Y Subject: Re: TTDRIVER multi-line editing (was Re: VMS wishlist [was Re: Identify que entr-= Message-ID: <01c07f9f$f68039a0$4b53b083@ptregoni.esoc.esa.de>O  = Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in article-- <93njmp$775$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...c > D > In article <93mohd$j1g$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:K > :> Here's a different one:  Ever try to edit a command line entry that's  C > :> longer than one line?  You can't back up before the last line.e > :> aJ > :> Long ago (10+ years), I asked at the DECUS Symposium about this, and K > :> was told that it couldn't be done.  That didn't sit too well with me, I6 > :> but, heck, VMS is perfect in every other respect. > H >   Without extensive work in the terminal driver, this is not feasible.K >   The terminal driver keeps one line, depending on DCL or the application.. >   to keep track of additional command lines. >   ; I was on a Digital course in London about 8 or 10 years agoC9 where the system we were using had a fix for this. Unlesso2 I am misremembering, DCL would split long lines up; (appending appropriate line continuation characters) beforeh8 adding them to the recall buffer. Not an ideal solution,
 but workable.e  5 Has anybody else seen this, and know how it was done?p  
 Phil T       ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:50:38 GMTs* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> Subject: Re: Variables in DCLl) Message-ID: <941qkb$pv6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   + In article <3A622496.67B2F0D7@hotmail.com>,t%   Tom Gee <gemtoo@hotmail.com> wrote:sF > Got a bit tricky problem with DCL, can't find out how to solve it... I'mrB > trying to write a DCL command procedure where another DCL COM isB > written, and this COM finally creates a third one. I have to useG > variables that can be resolved in a different environment and after aaF > certain time in the second COM. It seems hard to write the first COM soF > that the variables come in a right way to the second and third COMs. Thet# > problem occurs e.g. in this line:n >VF > $ write OUT_1 "$ write OUT_2 ""$ if f$loc(""''STRING_2'"", STRING_1)  > .ne. f$len(STRING_1) """ ! <-- >sE > How should I write it to get the STRING_2 variable correctly in then" > second COM, something like this: > = > $ write OUT_2 "$ if f$loc(''STRING_2', STRING_1) .ne. f$lent (STRING_1) " >M  E You need to build the string in pieces. I think the following example- code does what you ask for.    $ OPEN/WRITE OUT_1 FOO.COM# $ WRITE OUT_1 "$ WRITE OUT_2 """, -(E "$ IF F$LOC('", "'STRING_2', STRING_1) .NE. F$LEN(STRING_1) """ ! <--.
 $ CLOSE OUT_1r $ TYPE FOO.COM $ TYPE SYS$INPUTG   WRITE OUT_2 "$ IF F$LOC(''STRING_2', STRING_1) .NE. F$LEN(STRING_1) "  $ EXIT   (Tested on VMS6.1.)a   --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. It< is broken. Instead, use the address below, removing the long wrong part first. Thanks.l   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)( afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.com     Sent via Deja.como http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 17:53:12 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Variables in DCL76 Message-ID: <9421q8$394$5@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  P In article <3A622496.67B2F0D7@hotmail.com>, Tom Gee <gemtoo@hotmail.com> writes:I :Got a bit tricky problem with DCL, can't find out how to solve it... I'm-A :trying to write a DCL command procedure where another DCL COM is 3 :written, and this COM finally creates a third one.:  G   You are going to have to provide one level short of the substitution,CD   if you want the substitution to occur when the target procedure isD   executed, rather than when it is written.  This means you may/willC   need to add additional apostrophe characters via concatenation ore   other similar technique.  9   (I'd encourage simplifying that example somewhat, too.)   2   If working with strings, try := or :== notation.  H   You might also want to use parameters, rather than writing out several   levels of procedures.i  K   You will also most definitely want to provide some background on why you aI   need/want to do this, and what problem(s) you are looking to solve.  We7M   might well be able to provide an alternative.  (What OpenVMS version, too?)e   ..F :This example doesn't necessarily do anything reasonable, it's just to :make clear the problem:  .   Um, it doesn't.  That's just some dense DCL.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:59:51 GMTh From: carsesrac@my-deja.comm Subject: Vax 7830 or 7730f) Message-ID: <941nl3$n3h$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a   This the situation.i" We have several vax's and alpha's.0 In our contract is standing that the biggest vax/ we have is a 7830 with 3 cpu's, but when I give- the command:& $ write sys$output f$getsyi("hw_name")) It says "VAX 7730" instead of "VAX 7830". + My first question is what is the differencen& between the VAX 7830 and the VAX 7730.1 And what do have to modify in the software to letn, it show as a VAX 7830 instead of a VAX 7730.   Greeting Jeroen M.W. van Dijk       Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:43:31 GMTd1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>a Subject: Re: Vax 7830 or 7730f2 Message-ID: <3A647B45.5C6267B7@clarityconnect.com>  ? What version of VMS?  Under V5.5-2H4 you might see this happen.l   carsesrac@my-deja.com wrote: >  > This the situation. $ > We have several vax's and alpha's.2 > In our contract is standing that the biggest vax1 > we have is a 7830 with 3 cpu's, but when I givea > the command:( > $ write sys$output f$getsyi("hw_name")+ > It says "VAX 7730" instead of "VAX 7830".e- > My first question is what is the differenceE( > between the VAX 7830 and the VAX 7730.3 > And what do have to modify in the software to letn. > it show as a VAX 7830 instead of a VAX 7730. > 
 > Greeting > Jeroen M.W. van Dijk   -- dD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:32:19 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: Vax 7830 or 7730n' Message-ID: <3A6485A2.ECD8861D@home.nl>e   carsesrac@my-deja.com wrote: >  > This the situation.h$ > We have several vax's and alpha's.2 > In our contract is standing that the biggest vax1 > we have is a 7830 with 3 cpu's, but when I give- > the command:( > $ write sys$output f$getsyi("hw_name")+ > It says "VAX 7730" instead of "VAX 7830".e- > My first question is what is the difference-( > between the VAX 7830 and the VAX 7730.  E The VAX 7830 is a 7000 series VAX (>7<830) 3 boards (78>3<0) with 800  series cpu's (7>8<30)o0 The VAX 7730 has 3 boards with 700 series cpu's.  F The difference is the speed, the 800 series are about twice as fast as the 700 series (AFAIK).u  3 > And what do have to modify in the software to letv. > it show as a VAX 7830 instead of a VAX 7730. > 
 > Greeting > Jeroen M.W. van Dijk >  > Sent via Deja.coml > http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 17:28:10 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)7 Subject: Re: VAXSHAD07_071 ECO problem with Show Device 6 Message-ID: <9420ba$394$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <rdeininger-1301011607530001@user-2ive7eo.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:- :Hoff, if you're listening...: :32 :Evidently the SHOW MEMORY command is a problem as :well as SHOW DEVICE.e :S: :Also, could you persuade the patch folks to reinstate the# :VAXSHAD06_071 kit on the ftp site?   H   I've forwarded the posting along to the appropriate OpenVMS manager...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:39:05 GMTr! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com>o0 Subject: Re: VMS performance data in HTML format& Message-ID: <3UF0sSAqrEZ6Ew$2@gol.com>  F In article <93lgjl$378$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, waybright@my-deja.com writesF >I'm looking for some inexpensive software or program that can deliverD >basic performance charts in HTML format.  On the Tru64 UNIX side we >have,D >a free product called Big Brother that does a good job of providing6 >basic CPU, memory, IO performance charts for the web. >r= >I'm aware of such products as Compaq's PAWZ and DataMetric'skB >Viewpoint.  Are there any shareware/freeware programs such as Big >Brother for VMS?n >rE >Also, does anyone know of a good collection of DCL scripts with HTMLt@ >tags built in to provide various system information on the web? >t >i >Sent via Deja.com >http://www.deja.com/   F I assume the charts are generated on the Big Brother server using dataF provided by the client.   There is a basic Big Brother client for VMS.= It's discussed on the support forum on the big brother site. p  D I've been experimenting with it and it seems to work to provide someE minimal information.  As far as I can tell the client.  We hope to goy, live with it at our site in the near future.   Regardsl   Ian  -- o
 Ian Parker   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:31:52 GMTl/ From: "Rmy YOUNES" <r_younes@club-internet.fr>mB Subject: Re: VMS scheduling products - what are people using today1 Message-ID: <YFT86.20$DL6.61501@nnrp3.proxad.net>p  C The best i've seen so far is $Universe, from orsyp (www.orsyp.com).oC Unfortunately not very well known, perhaps because a french one ...e   Regards,  C Dave Gudewicz <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> a crit dans le message : - 93vk6g$qn0$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com...1K > Wondered what others here are using for VMS scheduling chores these days.c >OG > The DECscheduler product was sent to the black hole a few years back.- >pL > If its been developed and supported in the manner which we are accustomed,
 > then OK. >c; > But somehow I think not.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.  >nJ > This is my perception based on other things the black hole has swallowed in > the past.  >e	 > Thanks,a >0	 > Dave...  >0 >  >m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:13:54 -0600A1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>1B Subject: Re: VMS scheduling products - what are people using today8 Message-ID: <941o7u$77r$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>   Thanks.  I'll check it out.o   Dave...p  : "Rmy YOUNES" <r_younes@club-internet.fr> wrote in message+ news:YFT86.20$DL6.61501@nnrp3.proxad.net...nE > The best i've seen so far is $Universe, from orsyp (www.orsyp.com). E > Unfortunately not very well known, perhaps because a french one ...h > 
 > Regards, > E > Dave Gudewicz <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> a crit dans le message :e/ > 93vk6g$qn0$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com... G > > Wondered what others here are using for VMS scheduling chores theseo days.d > >uI > > The DECscheduler product was sent to the black hole a few years back.8 > >nB > > If its been developed and supported in the manner which we are accustomed,m > > then OK. > >I= > > But somehow I think not.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.r > >nL > > This is my perception based on other things the black hole has swallowed > in
 > > the past.c > >d > > Thanks,a > >n > > Dave...d > >T > >e > >t >  >s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:53:55 -0600T+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>tB Subject: RE: VMS scheduling products - what are people using todayN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284C19@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   One more for the list ..   http://www.xuis.co.uk/   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior ConsultantO Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicesn Voice: 613-592-4660- Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----6 From: Dave Gudewicz [mailto:david.gudewicz@abbott.com] Sent: January 16, 2001 10:14 AM3 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComTB Subject: Re: VMS scheduling products - what are people using today     Thanks.  I'll check it out.a   Dave...p  : "Remy YOUNES" <r_younes@club-internet.fr> wrote in message+ news:YFT86.20$DL6.61501@nnrp3.proxad.net...,E > The best i've seen so far is $Universe, from orsyp (www.orsyp.com).uE > Unfortunately not very well known, perhaps because a french one ...m > 
 > Regards, >hE > Dave Gudewicz <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> a ecrit dans le message :)/ > 93vk6g$qn0$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com...-G > > Wondered what others here are using for VMS scheduling chores thesee days.o > >vI > > The DECscheduler product was sent to the black hole a few years back.0 > >1B > > If its been developed and supported in the manner which we are accustomed,e > > then OK. > >a= > > But somehow I think not.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.s > > L > > This is my perception based on other things the black hole has swallowed > in
 > > the past.  > >  > > Thanks,a > >  > > Dave...- > >- > >v > >t >o >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:17:35 +0100P% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>: Subject: Re: VMS verses the Web0. Message-ID: <94102v$qri$1@info.service.rug.nl>  @ "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message =% news:93l3ve$1p7$2@info.cs.uofs.edu...9> > In article <b4976.290745$76.8121843@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>,9 >  "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here@home.com> writes:m > |>=20a > |>=20AD > |> >And it would look for development and integration tools that =
 supported VMSpI > |> as well as >other, more modern platforms such as Unix, Windows and =e Java.d > |>=20l. > |> Since when is 1969 more modern than 1978? >=20H > Why do you assume that an OS is frozen in time at it's first release?? >=20E > UNIX, like VMS, is under constant development.  They are both being"C > worked on even as I type this.  Can't get more modern that that =t withoutl > a crystal ball.m  G Both VMS and Unix have traces left of there orginal design. From that =t point J of vue Unix carries an older heritage than VMS, which may be a reason to =   call it less modern.H When considering development, you agree that they are at the same level.H So, you probably disgree with the statement that started this discussion< where Unix was mentioned as a more modern platform than VMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 15:32:26 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)p Subject: Re: VMS verses the Web-+ Message-ID: <941pia$8be$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>:  . In article <94102v$qri$1@info.service.rug.nl>,(  "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> writes: |> eA |> "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in messagee( |> news:93l3ve$1p7$2@info.cs.uofs.edu...A |> > In article <b4976.290745$76.8121843@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>,g< |> >  "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here@home.com> writes: |> > |>a |> > |>fE |> > |> >And it would look for development and integration tools that  |> supported VMSJ |> > |> as well as >other, more modern platforms such as Unix, Windows and |> Java. |> > |>t1 |> > |> Since when is 1969 more modern than 1978?h |> >K |> > Why do you assume that an OS is frozen in time at it's first release??d |> >H |> > UNIX, like VMS, is under constant development.  They are both beingD |> > worked on even as I type this.  Can't get more modern that that
 |> without |> > a crystal ball. |> sH |> Both VMS and Unix have traces left of there orginal design. From that |> pointK |> of vue Unix carries an older heritage than VMS, which may be a reason to  |> o |> call it less modern.a  9 Ok, let's try an analogy to see if I can understand this:   ; Henry Ford made his first internal combustion engine driven : car in 1896.  The first electric car wasn't made until the8 1912 Baker Electric.  The Porsche Boxter has an internal: combustion engine.  Therefore, by Rule 1 above the Porsche3 Boxter is less modern than the 1912 Baker Electric.<  9 Just because one was started first doesn't condemn it to i7 perpetually being behind everyone else technologically.s  K |> When considering development, you agree that they are at the same level.fK |> So, you probably disgree with the statement that started this discussionc? |> where Unix was mentioned as a more modern platform than VMS.l  ; Just read what I said the last two sentences of my original < post.  They are both undergoing constant improvement even as< we speak.  Therefore, neither one is more "modern" (whatever: that means) than the other.  They both have a long history= of development and they both contain concepts that are on thet> cutting edge of OS development.  The difference is only in the point of view of the designers.p   bill   -- iJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:57:16 -0500s' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>l Subject: Re: VMS verses the Weba( Message-ID: <941qpk$kdk$1@pyrite.mv.net>  . Fred Zwarts <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> wrote in message( news:94102v$qri$1@info.service.rug.nl...  > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message% news:93l3ve$1p7$2@info.cs.uofs.edu...a> > In article <b4976.290745$76.8121843@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>,9 >  "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here@home.com> writes:@ > |> > |>L > |> >And it would look for development and integration tools that supported VMS>G > |> as well as >other, more modern platforms such as Unix, Windows ande Java.  > |>. > |> Since when is 1969 more modern than 1978? >tH > Why do you assume that an OS is frozen in time at it's first release?? >oE > UNIX, like VMS, is under constant development.  They are both beingfI > worked on even as I type this.  Can't get more modern that that withoutC > a crystal ball.v  K Both VMS and Unix have traces left of there orginal design. From that pointuH of vue Unix carries an older heritage than VMS, which may be a reason to call it less modern.H When considering development, you agree that they are at the same level.   ***N  J No, he said they were both still being worked on, which says nothing aboutB comparative degree of effort.  Unixes are being worked on far moreL vigorously than VMS is, which is why they are rapidly catching up from theirK 'way-behind state that, although technically dating from 1970 or so, didn't J reach commercial development status - in start-up companies rather than anJ existing powerhouse like DEC - until the mid-'80s.  Add in the work on the6 *BSDs and Linux, and there's no comparison whatsoever.   - bill   ***T  H So, you probably disgree with the statement that started this discussion< where Unix was mentioned as a more modern platform than VMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 17:32:16 GMT From: lkthomas@lkthomas.yi.orgH Subject: you are elite in computer? goto find some part-time job in here- Message-ID: <9420j0$3lh2224@rain.i-cable.com>    need some part-time job?F we are finding someone who can help us to do web design and programmer> flash, CGI, PHP, ASP, ORACLE, C++, ASM, Palm programmer, WAPml anything special that we will accept, now limited to Hong Kong and china people only, a lot of US worker to apply already, so do not need more pleaseo Thanks a lot   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.032 ************************