0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 17 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 33      Contents: Re: Answerbacks  Answerbacks  Apple WebObjects 4.5 for sale ( Re: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS?	 Re: Books  Re: C and OpenVMS 7  Re: CHARON-VAX
 Re: CMS Query 4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution Console Connection to VAX4000 ! RE: Console Connection to VAX4000 ! RE: Console Connection to VAX4000 ! RE: Console Connection to VAX4000 ! Re: Console Connection to VAX4000 ! RE: Console Connection to VAX4000 ! Re: Console Connection to VAX4000 ! RE: Console Connection to VAX4000 , Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epoch Re: Creating new boot disk? $ DCE, ZIC, and configuration failures4 dec-axpvms-vms721_fibrechan-v0300--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexe8 RE: dec-axpvms-vms721_fibrechan-v0300--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexe8 RE: dec-axpvms-vms721_fibrechan-v0300--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexe DECC / CLD question + Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry..... * Re: Faster gzip, thank you Paul Repacholi!& FS: DEC 3000-series Alpha Workstations" FS: Digital AlphaStation 600 5/266$ Re: Gigabit Ethernet and VMS 6.2-1H3 Re: HIghest file version Re: HOWTO: Mounting device Re: HOWTO: Mounting device HP-9000 to DECServer Re: HP-9000 to DECServer Re: HP-9000 to DECServer- Looking for Backup Scheduler for OpenVMS 7.21 . Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped set. Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped set. Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped set, Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc. Re: Oldtimers response Re: Oldtimers response9 Re: OpenGL on a Compaq XP1000 w/ Elsa Gloria Synergy card 9 Re: OpenGL on a Compaq XP1000 w/ Elsa Gloria Synergy card * Re: OpenVMS Volume Management (On the fly) Re: OpenVMS x AS-400+ RE: reviving MicroVax3400 -- mucho gracias! + Re: reviving MicroVax3400 -- mucho gracias!  Re: RMS options , Re: Setting up ISDN Internet on DEC 3000-3006 Strange HSZ50 Firmware problem after upgrade to 5.7...: RE: Strange HSZ50 Firmware problem after upgrade to 5.7...- Supported drives or new drivers on 3000 300LX 1 Re: Supported drives or new drivers on 3000 300LX 1 Re: Supported drives or new drivers on 3000 300LX 1 RE: Supported drives or new drivers on 3000 300LX 1 Re: Supported drives or new drivers on 3000 300LX  Re: Vax 7830 or 7730 What is LAT? Re: What is LAT? Re: What is LAT? Re: What is LAT? Re: What is LAT?( Re: where is the new version of OpenVMS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 19:30:51 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Answerbacks6 Message-ID: <9427hb$4ja$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <3a63c6d5.39863662@news.visi.com>, rossgl@parknicollet.com (Gary L. Ross) writes:A :I trying to find a way to query both dumb terminals (i.e. vt320, ? :vt420, and vt510) and PC telnet sessions to get their assigned ; :answerbacks from within a DCL procedure.  Can anyone point ; :me in the right direction as to how I can accomplish this.   C   Here is the code that you seek, extracted from the Ask The Wizard .   answer that was queued for the next batch...   $ enq = "*"  $ enq[0,8] = 5' $ read sys$command abb /prompt="''enq'" - $ write sys$output "Answerback Buffer: ''abb'  $ exit  B   I'll get the discussion over in the OpenVMS Ask The Wizard area (   canceled, given the discussion here...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:19:07 -0600 ' From: "Butler,Jim" <JBUTLER@cerner.com>  Subject: AnswerbacksM Message-ID: <D15ED542E12BD3119FFE00805F6551F00A4E1543@mailwhqnews.cerner.com>   F If you have a Carriage Return at the end of your answerback string the following will work.   $ ans[0,7]=5 $ inqure/nopun answb "''ans'"  $ write sys$output ">''answb'<"  $ exit  
 Jim Butler Cerner Corp.       -----Original Message-----, From: rossgl@parknicollet.com (Gary L. Ross)  [mailto:rossgl@parknicollet.com], Posted At: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:03 PM Posted To: comp.os.vms Conversation: Answerbacks  Subject: Answerbacks    @ I trying to find a way to query both dumb terminals (i.e. vt320,> vt420, and vt510) and PC telnet sessions to get their assigned: answerbacks from within a DCL procedure.  Can anyone point: me in the right direction as to how I can accomplish this. Thanks.    Gary L. Ross rossgl@parknicollet.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:31:40 GMT ( From: fleveneur@ebizasolutions.com (Ebi)& Subject: Apple WebObjects 4.5 for sale- Message-ID: <3a645469.533954175@news.gte.net>   ? Apple WebObjects 4.5 for sale. Go to Ebay for more information. C (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1208175184)      About Apple WebObjects:   E WebObjects sophisticated graphical development tools, a rich palette > of prebuilt (and infinitely reusable) components, and seamlessB integration with all kinds of data sources make it the platform of= choice for developers creating powerful, standards-based, web  application servers.E You can build a sophisticated e-commerce site or internal information < system in minutes  yet still scale it up for years to come.     Application server: E WebObjects handles all your application server requirementsincluding E load balancing, performance profiling, state management and failover, 1 HTML generation and Java client interoperability.    Connects to business data B WebObjects features an object-oriented adapter layer that lets youC leverage data stored in Oracle, Sybase, Informix, OpenBase and ODBC F databases  and now LDAP. If thats not enough, our developer partnersF will help you access information stored on mainframes, R/3, PeopleSoft and SAP databases.   Code- free development: A The Direct to Java Client and Direct to Web capabilities lets you > build rich Java or HTML interfaces to your industrial-strength0 database with practically the click of a button.      @ WebObjects 4.5 runs on Mac OSX Server and Windows NT (as well asB Solaris, HP-UX and  Windows 2000),  and works across applications,- business systems and existing business logic.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:02:33 -0500 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>1 Subject: Re: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS? C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-F57736.17023316012001@news.compaq.com>   H In article <hshubs-D2C1C6.00264916012001@news.mindspring.com>, Howard S $ Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote:  D > Last I looked, a couple of years ago, BlockBuster's POS equipment ! > was done using VMS and FORTRAN.   I Blockbuster has been a big customer of Digital, then Compaq, now Genicom  C serial matrix printers (LA series) for years.  Just look under the  5 counter at what's printing your video rental receipt.   H Imagine that!  Supposedly "low-tech" VT terminals and LA printers (both F were invented at Digital, both became industry-standard and both were 8 later sold off) at a "high-tech" place like Blockbuster!   Paul   --  ,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 19:20:14 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Books6 Message-ID: <9426te$4ja$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  h In article <t66kivlee65o9e@corp.supernews.co.uk>, "Paul Middleton" <paul@middletond.karoo.co.uk> writes:K :Can anyone reccomend a good book on getting started in systems management. % :Running Open Vms ver 7.2 on Alpha's.   K   Digital Press has an OpenVMS System Management book (by Lawrence Baldwin) M   that is reasonable, but that (currently) targets the OpenVMS VAX platforms. N   An update to the book -- covering OpenVMS Alpha and other system management K   areas such as the web and networking -- is underway, but that book likely K   won't be available on your schedule.  For those areas of OpenVMS that are K   similar/identical across platforms -- and most are -- the book is good...   I   There is some new system management primer that is just available, and  B   there are established (more detailed) training courses around.    0     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wbt/index.html  E   And the existing two volumes covering OpenVMS System Management in  5   the OpenVMS documentation set are pretty good, too.   F   The OpenVMS FAQ also contains pointers to bibliographic and trainingE   information that may/will be of interest...  The OpenVMS FAQ is at:   "     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:08:47 GMT , From: "Tamahome" <xavpaul@chello.fr.NO.SPAM> Subject: Re: C and OpenVMS 75 Message-ID: <jT196.2415$5V4.8388724@nnrp1.proxad.net>    Thanks to all who answer me!  = NB: I used CC to compile, and my version op OpenVMS is 7.2.1.   F I think the problem was the "t" argument (so as to open in text mode).  # Very very Big thanks to all of you!    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 19:31:05 EST1 From: byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer)  Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX 1 Message-ID: <umWwmrTWpIuT@cartman.ourservers.net>    > % >> Was anybody try this VAX emulator?  >> I can't boot it.  > E > It took a little doing.  I bought a new system with lots of memory  H > and Windows 2000 on it (256 MB RAM, 733 MHz Pentium III).  It's about % > the same speed as my VAX 4000-60's.  > C > The version I used was the full evaluation version, to see if my  H > client's product would work on it.  They had to make some tweaks, but  > it does work.  >   J I haven't had a problem with my 800MHz Athlon system running Windows-2000.F In fact, it runs pretty darned fast even with Seti@Home running in the background.   I On my machine it runs MUCH faster than my VAXStation-400/60 and if I turn H off everything in the background it's pretty fast and sometimes I forget I'm running an emulator.  F I like it, just wish their was a better way to get files onto the diskE containers than using their utility.  I've only had 50% luck with it.    --    @  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |@  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+@  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |@  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |@  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |@  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 19:36:33 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: CMS Query6 Message-ID: <9427s1$4ja$5@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  F In article <94186i$ar3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, abirkett@my-deja.com writes:   :Using the command:  :  :     $ CMS FETCH group_name : E :fetches the relevant modules (which consist of 2 .C code files, 2 .H E :files and a .RNO file) from the library as you would expect but then  :displays the message: : D :%CMS-F-BUG, there is something wrong with CMS or something it calls: :-CMS-F-BADIOBLENGTH, The passed IOB has an invalid length     Start with CMS VERIFY/REPAIR.   F :One more curious thing is that no error messages are displayed if you :fetch the elements one-by-one.   D   I think this is a known bug in wildcard processing in fetch in CMS;   V3.9-2.  This bug appears to have been fixed in CMS V4.0.    :Anybody got any suggestions?      Try V4.0?    :Alpha 3000 model 400   0   Specifically a DEC 3000 model 400, I assume...  	 :VMS V7.1   (   I'd also move to OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2.   :CMS Version V3.9-2 I :C compiler V6.2-008 (recently upgraded to but can't say if this happened  :before)  1   I would assume that C was not relevent to this.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:01:24 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution , Message-ID: <3A64E0D4.A3BDF202@infopuls.com>   andrew harrison wrote: >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > >  > > "Main, Kerry" wrote:M > > > Sigh, one more time - While Sun's response to all requirements is UNIX, N > > > Compaq provides a multi-platform offering and all of them have important9 > > > strengths and weaknesses in their target platforms.  > > R > > Because you are well connected to Compaq, *YOU* know that Compaq has availableP > > different products. But since Compaq does not advertise products such as VMSR > > or Office Server, the general customer population only sees Windows, Exchange,I > > Office and Intel solutions. Those a bit connected will see the True64 R > > offerings  and probably learn that True64 is the first to have had clustering. > > : > > What use is a product if you're not going to sell it ? > >  > 4 > I have a great example in the customer I work for. > > > They have a big distributed FP intensive pricing application: > which they run on a cluster of Sun's mostly E4500's. The7 > app has been developed in house and can run on a wide  > variety of platforms.  > @ > The customer is looking for the best price performance and the= > best performance/sq ft (they are very short of machine room 	 > space).  > ; > So Compaq mosey up to them and guess what they suggest as = > a platform for a distributed FP intensive application where = > floor space is an issue and where price performance is also  > of interest. > . > You have got it, the 32 CPU Unisys box, akk. > 3 > Firstly its huge, bigger than an E10K (almost the  > same size as an HP V). > 3 > Secondly the application is a distributed app, it 3 > would run just as well on say 4 x 8 CPU Proliants 4 > as it would on a 32 CPU Unisys box. So if you have5 > to propose NT why not 4 small cheap NT boxes rather & > than 1 huge hugely expensive NT box. > 9 > Thirdly no one knows how well the CMP NT implimentation 9 > scales but Compaq seem keen to get the customer to test  > a 32 CPU system for them.  > = > But why oh why didn't they propose a Alpha Server solution, 9 > ES40's in a rack for example would trash the Unisys box 8 > on FP, have a much smaller footprint and probably cost > way less than the Unisys box.  > : > This is a great example of how PC centric Compaq is even8 > when faced with a problem which is clearly best solved% > by using something other than PC's.  > > > Its also an example which illustrates why Kerry is whistling > in the wind. > 	 > regards  > Andrew Harrison  > Enterprise IT Architect   A Do us a favour. Name the customer and the people involved. We'll  ? send somebody familiar with the technical terms to sell them a  + couple of ES40s or whatever is appropriate.  Or did you make up this story?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:20:18 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution , Message-ID: <3A64E522.BD218FA6@videotron.ca>   Christof Brass wrote: B > Do us a favour. Name the customer and the people involved. We'll@ > send somebody familiar with the technical terms to sell them a- > couple of ES40s or whatever is appropriate.   > Or did you make up this story?  H The problem is that due to Compaq's image, Andrew Harrison's example (or story) is very beleivable.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:41:46 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution , Message-ID: <3A64F85A.3CC1A8F4@infopuls.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Christof Brass wrote: D > > Do us a favour. Name the customer and the people involved. We'llB > > send somebody familiar with the technical terms to sell them a/ > > couple of ES40s or whatever is appropriate. " > > Or did you make up this story? > J > The problem is that due to Compaq's image, Andrew Harrison's example (or > story) is very beleivable.  @ The problem is that Andrew Harrison has lost his credibility by > amongst other reasons not coming up with quotes or references 9 when asked for to prove what he stated others have said.  : Therefore I basically refuse talking about things he said ; without beeing sure that they are true. It is anyway not a o? proof of great art to make up such a story as it would be if I s< told a story of a customer having big problems with an E10k = because it boringly fits into the picture. BTW I have such a r= story where a very big financial institution had to take off x@ their Internet services for a few days because of E10k problems = which act as web front end servers - the midle tier and back C end is done on VMS.'  = Another point which sheds a bunch of twighlight on his story:P< if he is aware of the customer's need and observing another > person giving wrong advice he should immediately interact and > do whatever is the best for his customer. So even if I accept ? his story it doesn't make much sense to me other than thinking v9 I would be glad if Andrew Harrison is not working for me.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:27:08 -0500u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>u= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutiona, Message-ID: <3A6510DD.792EA2D4@videotron.ca>   Christof Brass wrote: A > The problem is that Andrew Harrison has lost his credibility byo? > amongst other reasons not coming up with quotes or referencese: > when asked for to prove what he stated others have said.  M Some people may choose to blindly disbeleive all of what Andre Harrison says.eN I chose to beleive what I think is plausible. I don't read all his posts (someJ subjects are clearly catfights between individuals). But if I stumble on aN post of his that makes sense, I have no problem stating that I agree with what he says.      = > if he is aware of the customer's need and observing anothern? > person giving wrong advice he should immediately interact and + > do whatever is the best for his customer.0  L Sorry, but if I get hired by Sun, and I consistently see Compaq screw up andK present wintel for serious applications, you bet your ass that I will blast + the competitor's solution as much as I can.-  F I certaintly would not expect a Sun or HP employee pointing out to the5 customer that Compaq is shooting itself in the foot. e  J Furthermore, when Compaq refuses to pitch VMS to customers, and refuses toJ market it, could you in your honest self, recommend that a company bet itsN business on VMS when it is most unclear what Compaq's true  intentions for VMS are ?t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:15:34 -0600n0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>& Subject: Console Connection to VAX4000C Message-ID: <MOEAJKGGEIMGCCPEPJBHAEFFDCAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>T  K Does anybody know how to console connec to a VAX4000 VLC workstation?  I'venF tried setting my params on my laptop emulator to vt100, 9600 baud, andI connect to the console port in the back of it.. but that does not seem toh/ work, or at least I'm not able to see anything?    Thanks!i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:32:48 +0000-5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com>n* Subject: RE: Console Connection to VAX4000N Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116C393@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  H have you set the switch in the front panel to the other position as this( detemines whether it's graphics/console.  ) 9600, 8 data, 1 stop, no parity, Xon/Xofft   -----Original Message-----7 From: arturo saavedra [mailto:arturo.saavedra@wcom.com]n' Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:16 PMu To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & Subject: Console Connection to VAX4000        K Does anybody know how to console connec to a VAX4000 VLC workstation?  I'verF tried setting my params on my laptop emulator to vt100, 9600 baud, andI connect to the console port in the back of it.. but that does not seem tog/ work, or at least I'm not able to see anything?    Thanks!2   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:51:38 -0600m0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>* Subject: RE: Console Connection to VAX4000C Message-ID: <MOEAJKGGEIMGCCPEPJBHEEFHDCAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>-  H There does not seem to be a switch of any kind on the front panel.. only@ thing in the front of the VAX400 VLC is that.. just the name.. ?     -----Original Message-----: From: Steeples, Oliver [mailto:Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com]' Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 3:33 PM., To: 'arturo saavedra'; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* Subject: RE: Console Connection to VAX4000    H have you set the switch in the front panel to the other position as this( detemines whether it's graphics/console.  ) 9600, 8 data, 1 stop, no parity, Xon/Xoff    -----Original Message-----7 From: arturo saavedra [mailto:arturo.saavedra@wcom.com]s' Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:16 PMa To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como& Subject: Console Connection to VAX4000        K Does anybody know how to console connec to a VAX4000 VLC workstation?  I've F tried setting my params on my laptop emulator to vt100, 9600 baud, andI connect to the console port in the back of it.. but that does not seem toL/ work, or at least I'm not able to see anything?    Thanks!    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:58:05 +0000e5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com>x* Subject: RE: Console Connection to VAX4000N Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116C395@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  / on the right hand side, my manual is semi-wronga   -----Original Message-----7 From: arturo saavedra [mailto:arturo.saavedra@wcom.com]i' Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:52 PM + To: Steeples, Oliver; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma* Subject: RE: Console Connection to VAX4000    H There does not seem to be a switch of any kind on the front panel.. only@ thing in the front of the VAX400 VLC is that.. just the name.. ?     -----Original Message-----: From: Steeples, Oliver [mailto:Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com]' Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 3:33 PMd, To: 'arturo saavedra'; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* Subject: RE: Console Connection to VAX4000    H have you set the switch in the front panel to the other position as this( detemines whether it's graphics/console.  ) 9600, 8 data, 1 stop, no parity, Xon/Xoffi   -----Original Message-----7 From: arturo saavedra [mailto:arturo.saavedra@wcom.com] ' Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:16 PMc To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como& Subject: Console Connection to VAX4000        K Does anybody know how to console connec to a VAX4000 VLC workstation?  I'vewF tried setting my params on my laptop emulator to vt100, 9600 baud, andI connect to the console port in the back of it.. but that does not seem too/ work, or at least I'm not able to see anything?    Thanks!t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:00:55 -0700p+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>C* Subject: Re: Console Connection to VAX4000( Message-ID: <3A64C497.8783C592@mmaz.com>  < They misqueued, it is a switch on the right side labeled S3.   BarryB   arturo saavedra wrote:  J > There does not seem to be a switch of any kind on the front panel.. onlyB > thing in the front of the VAX400 VLC is that.. just the name.. ? >a > -----Original Message-----< > From: Steeples, Oliver [mailto:Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com]) > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 3:33 PMn. > To: 'arturo saavedra'; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, > Subject: RE: Console Connection to VAX4000 >)J > have you set the switch in the front panel to the other position as this* > detemines whether it's graphics/console. >a+ > 9600, 8 data, 1 stop, no parity, Xon/Xoffa >b > -----Original Message-----9 > From: arturo saavedra [mailto:arturo.saavedra@wcom.com]t) > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:16 PMr > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comk( > Subject: Console Connection to VAX4000 >nM > Does anybody know how to console connec to a VAX4000 VLC workstation?  I'veaH > tried setting my params on my laptop emulator to vt100, 9600 baud, andK > connect to the console port in the back of it.. but that does not seem ton1 > work, or at least I'm not able to see anything?g >,	 > Thanks!    --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOn  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:16:13 -0600s0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>* Subject: RE: Console Connection to VAX4000C Message-ID: <MOEAJKGGEIMGCCPEPJBHAEFKDCAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>u  $ That worked.. thank you, gentlemen..   abs<     -----Original Message-----0 From: Barry Treahy, Jr. [mailto:treahy@mmaz.com]' Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 4:01 PMt To: arturo saavedra  Cc: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com * Subject: Re: Console Connection to VAX4000    < They misqueued, it is a switch on the right side labeled S3.   Barryv   arturo saavedra wrote:  J > There does not seem to be a switch of any kind on the front panel.. onlyB > thing in the front of the VAX400 VLC is that.. just the name.. ? >  > -----Original Message-----< > From: Steeples, Oliver [mailto:Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com]) > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 3:33 PM . > To: 'arturo saavedra'; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, > Subject: RE: Console Connection to VAX4000 >MJ > have you set the switch in the front panel to the other position as this* > detemines whether it's graphics/console. >i+ > 9600, 8 data, 1 stop, no parity, Xon/Xofft >u > -----Original Message-----9 > From: arturo saavedra [mailto:arturo.saavedra@wcom.com] ) > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:16 PMi > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ( > Subject: Console Connection to VAX4000 >uG > Does anybody know how to console connec to a VAX4000 VLC workstation?A I'veH > tried setting my params on my laptop emulator to vt100, 9600 baud, andK > connect to the console port in the back of it.. but that does not seem toe1 > work, or at least I'm not able to see anything?t >e	 > Thanks!n   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO-  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028B   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jan 2001 00:05:57 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: Console Connection to VAX40006 Message-ID: <942nl5$8he$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  v In article <MOEAJKGGEIMGCCPEPJBHAEFFDCAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>, arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com> writes:  L :Does anybody know how to console connec to a VAX4000 VLC workstation?  I'veG :tried setting my params on my laptop emulator to vt100, 9600 baud, and J :connect to the console port in the back of it.. but that does not seem to0 :work, or at least I'm not able to see anything?  E   By "does not seem to work", does the VAXstation explode into a ball)I   of greasy orange smoke?  :-)    More seriously, please see the OpenVMS .D   FAQ section INTRO5 for some suggestions on submitting questions...  J   Have you seen the pinout information in the OpenVMS FAQ?  Specifically, H   the WIRES section...  You'll need to wire up the MMJ, as -- once S3 is=   switched upward -- the printer/comm MMJ is the console...     *   Also please see the FAQ section VAX10...  =   The emulated device (VT100 or otherwise) is not relevent...B     9600 baud 8N1 is the usual...i  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:48:51 -0600 0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>* Subject: RE: Console Connection to VAX4000C Message-ID: <MOEAJKGGEIMGCCPEPJBHIEFPDCAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>0  < ;)  it displayed that beautiful VAX initialization strings..   thanks..   absr     -----Original Message-----9 From: Hoff Hoffman [mailto:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]b' Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 6:06 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-* Subject: Re: Console Connection to VAX4000      J In article <MOEAJKGGEIMGCCPEPJBHAEFFDCAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>, arturo+ saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com> writes:-  L :Does anybody know how to console connec to a VAX4000 VLC workstation?  I'veG :tried setting my params on my laptop emulator to vt100, 9600 baud, andsJ :connect to the console port in the back of it.. but that does not seem to0 :work, or at least I'm not able to see anything?  E   By "does not seem to work", does the VAXstation explode into a ballrH   of greasy orange smoke?  :-)    More seriously, please see the OpenVMSD   FAQ section INTRO5 for some suggestions on submitting questions...  I   Have you seen the pinout information in the OpenVMS FAQ?  Specifically,tH   the WIRES section...  You'll need to wire up the MMJ, as -- once S3 is;   switched upward -- the printer/comm MMJ is the console...e  *   Also please see the FAQ section VAX10...  =   The emulated device (VT100 or otherwise) is not relevent...i     9600 baud 8N1 is the usual...a  *  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------uL    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:08:25 +0100t2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)5 Subject: Re: Converting VMS System time to unix epochl; Message-ID: <3a64aa39.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   + Brian Wheeler (bdwheele@indiana.edu) wrote:iI : How do I convert a vms system time (in quadword format) to a unix epochcH : time....outside of vms?  I have some data files I need to convert on a : linux box.  H I have some (Visual) C++ code for quad/VMStime arithmetic, available for< download at http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/quad.zip4 (URL from memory - not online at the moment, sorry).  I Never tried to compile it with GNU's C++ compiler. Perhaps you can mangles' parts of it into some useful C snippet.n   cu,i   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:57:25 +1300o9 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz>S$ Subject: Re: Creating new boot disk?0 Message-ID: <30696.1989$kb5.5779@ozemail.com.au>   The best way is:   1 shutdown the machine 2 boot off the binary cd  3 use the dcl option on the menu! 4 backup/log/image disk1: disk 2:v) 5 shutdown, change your jumpers and boot,e     Cheers   antony  @ PS After you do this, you will be able to boot from either disk.2 but it may pay to check logicals you have defined.        . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:EJEDILJIPPJOIEFOLDHLMEKNCDAA.tom@kednos.com...eK > Have a spare RZ26 (not new) that I would like to make a new boot disk forlK > 6.2 on Alpha.  Current disk is exhibiting some signs of age.  What is thet > bestL > way to create an image of the old on the new?  I imagine that the geometry > has J > to be preserved (boot sector).  Does backup support this? can it be done
 > from the
 > console? >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:51:06 GMT + From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan)e- Subject: DCE, ZIC, and configuration failuresw4 Message-ID: <_u296.1765$8S4.160908@news.goodnet.com>  K OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2, no patches.  UCX V5.0a, trying to set up Bridgeworks.eD There is NO DECnet installed or running.  No timeservice of any type running.  G We need to get Bridgeworks up on this box.  DCE V3.0 refuses to install1F due to a version mismatch on a ZIC.EXE file; per the V7.0 New FeaturesJ Manual this is some kind of time zone information compiler; we were unable; to come to a resolution on this late last year with Compaq.o  E Trying DCE V1.5, which installs successfully (yes, V3.0 was removed).lG It installs fine, but when we try to configure it it dies with an error G that is in the troubleshooting guide (Error: UTC services and run-time  ' library don't agree on the local time).C  E We ran through the steps to clear that error (clean up DTSS workfiles.' and SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical, execute a? sys$update:dtss$install_timezone_rule.com) to no avail.  On hisiB system the aforementioned command procedure never gives a menu, itE just says it is determing local timezone configuration, creates a news@ sys$startup:dtss$utc_startup.com file, and exits.  Executing theA new file and retrying the DCE config ends up with the same error.   G The only other system we've used DCE on to any extent is OpenVMS V7.2-1rE running DECnet phase IV, TCPIP V5.0a eco 1, DCE V3.0, and had nowhereg near this level of trouble.  a  G Any thoughts or information greatly appreciated.  We hae a service call F in but as is usual in such cases, could really use a faster answer if  anyone has one.  Thanks!   Rich Jordan  rjordan@mcs.neti   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:00:56 GMTn% From: "Big and Bad" <byteme@hard.com>h= Subject: dec-axpvms-vms721_fibrechan-v0300--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexe = Message-ID: <sw396.306370$_5.69119724@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>s  K Where can I find this.. It is posted in several doc on the compaq web site,kC but when you go to the FTP site it is not there.. Can anyone help.?0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:24:07 +0000:5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> A Subject: RE: dec-axpvms-vms721_fibrechan-v0300--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexeeN Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D4C8@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  B It was going to be released as far as know but was superseeded by:  % dec-axpvms-vms721_fibre_scsi-v0200--4s   From:o3 ftp://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1t  K This contains all the latest PG/DG drivers and fibre stuff like that.  It'seJ a combo of alpscsi and fibrechan.  The release notes do say this is better than fibre-300   -----Original Message-----* From: Big and Bad [mailto:byteme@hard.com]( Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 10:01 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com = Subject: dec-axpvms-vms721_fibrechan-v0300--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexei    K Where can I find this.. It is posted in several doc on the compaq web site,bC but when you go to the FTP site it is not there.. Can anyone help.?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:26:21 +0000 5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com>tA Subject: RE: dec-axpvms-vms721_fibrechan-v0300--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexeuN Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116C397@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>   The kit to be installed is:e  % dec-axpvms-vms721_fibre_scsi-v0200--4i   From:n3 ftp://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1o  K This contains all the latest PG/DG drivers and fibre stuff like that.  It's J a combo of alpscsi and fibrechan.  The release notes do say this is better than fibre-300   -----Original Message-----* From: Big and Bad [mailto:byteme@hard.com]( Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 10:01 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com = Subject: dec-axpvms-vms721_fibrechan-v0300--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexea    K Where can I find this.. It is posted in several doc on the compaq web site,aC but when you go to the FTP site it is not there.. Can anyone help.?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:48:27 -0800-! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>e Subject: DECC / CLD question9 Message-ID: <EJEDILJIPPJOIEFOLDHLKENICDAA.tom@kednos.com>n  L CC/STANDARD=VAXC/NOMEMBER_ALIGN/EXTERN_MODEL=COMMON_BLOCK /define=("ILTCHECK 1", "ILTDUMP 1") /DEBUG4- /NOOPTIMIZE  /object=OBJ$:ILTALLOC ILTALLOC.Cn% %CLI-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'ACCEPT'a: -CLI-E-ENTNF, specified entity not found in command tables  4 This is running DEC C V6.0-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V6.2  H If I look in the CLD file I find the following when I search for accept:   !, !       /ACCEPT  !6 define type accept_options*         keyword vaxc_keywords nonnegatable,         keyword novaxc_keywords nonnegatable-         keyword restrict_keyword nonnegatable /         keyword norestrict_keyword nonnegatable     '         qualifier accept, label=accept,nF                 placement=positional, value(list, type=accept_options,
 required),                 nonnegatable    B         disallow (accept.vaxc_keywords and accept.novaxc_keywords)H         disallow (accept.restrict_keyword and accept.norestrict_keyword)  L Not sure why I am getting the error in the first place, don't see /ACCEPT on
 command line.    TIAt Tom    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:58:27 GMTo From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..comh4 Subject: Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry.....8 Message-ID: <d5696tofn8uepg9lojmbhcmho7o7mvlkki@4ax.com>  0 On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:05:14 +0000, Ray Swadling <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk> wrote:c    D >The guy in the CSC took all the details, and then as we waited, andB >waited, and waited for the call handling system to cough up a log >number.F >He apologised to me about the delay, and said he was just waiting for >the hourglass to go.sD >I commiserated with him about the downside of using Windows, and heC >said "Well it used to be running on VMS and then it was great, butoF >we've now migrated onto this Windows software and its awful....reallyF >slow and although it has nice buttons and things the VMS version just >used to work!!" > ...d@ >Finally took several minutes before the required log number was
 >produced.  ) Anyone know if the UK CSC is compeletely g5 'self-contained'  or if the folks there access nodes e* in the States (ie, Colorado, Georgia ...) + for some (all?) of their day to day duties.x   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:11:40 +11008/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> 3 Subject: Re: Faster gzip, thank you Paul Repacholi! . Message-ID: <go596.91$kb5.4823@ozemail.com.au>  5 Glenn C. Everhart <Everhart@GCE.com> wrote in messagea! news:3A5E32A5.43FA904C@GCE.com... ; > This is an area that's been a bit of a pet peeve of mine.o: > It should be possible to make a process default to using? > readahead/writebehind and have the result basically invisibleV; > to programs; the RMS semantics otherwise are not altered.- >r8 > Brian Schenkenberger did a few experiments with an RMS< > call intercept to set the RAB bits needed forcibly though,9 > and found that the overhead of the intercept he had waso- > enough to make speed advantage often small.o >p6 maybe I'm missing something obvious, but can't this be: achieved by setting the run-time options using fdl file or connect attributes?a& eg.  FILE DEFERRED_WRITE for FAB$V_DFW'        CONNECT READ_AHEAD for RAB$V_RAHu)        CONNECT WRITE_BEHIND for RAB$V_WBHV Phil   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 23:06:16 GMT& From: UCL Workstations <havoc@apk.net>/ Subject: FS: DEC 3000-series Alpha Workstationsr( Message-ID: <942k58$krp$2@plonk.apk.net>  9 DEC 3000 Series Alpha's for sale, only a few remaining... G Basic configs below, more details, including spare parts, available at:   ) http://junior.apk.net/~havoc/decgear.html   ! Discounts to local/pickup buyers!0   Configs: --------  0 (3) DEC 3000/300X (Tru64 5.0/5.1 Configuration):  	 128MB RAMX% DEC RZ-26L 1 GB Fast SCSI-2 Hard Diska Built-in 10BaseT8 Built-in HX 8-bit 2D Graphics (PMAGB-BE) 1280x1024 @72Hz 19" DEC VRT19-DA Monitor Keyboard, mouse, power cablesoD Tru64 5.0 pre-loaded (non-commercial/commercial Tru64 license reqd.)J Tru64 5.1 available on request (non-supported configuration by Compaq, but9 it will work, see earlier newsgroup postings for details)m  4 $400.00 + Shipping, $350.00 + Shipping w/out monitor   ----  + (1) DEC 3000/500 (Tru64 5.0 Configuration)::   96MB RAM+ Seagate ST3610N 525MB Fast SCSI-2 Hard Diske Built-in 10BaseT, AUIn. Built-in HX 8-bit 2D Graphics 1280x1024 @72Hz  19" DEC VRT19-DA Monitor Keyboard, mouse, power cables D Tru64 5.0 pre-loaded (non-commercial/commercial Tru64 license reqd.)  . $250 + Shipping, $200 + Shipping w/out monitor   ----  2 (3) DEC 3000/600 (Digital UNIX 4.0 Configuration):  	 128MB RAMj) (2) DEC RZ-26L 1 GB Fast SCSI-2 Hard Disko Built-in 10BaseT, AUIc5 ZLX-E1 8-plane 2D Graphics (PMAGD-AA) 1280x1024 @72Hzr 19" DEC VRT19-DA Monitor Keyboard, mouse, power cables0L Digital UNIX 4.0F pre-loaded (non-commercial/commercial Tru64 license reqd.)  . $350 + Shipping, $300 + Shipping w/out monitor   ----  / (2) DEC 3000/600 (Tru64 5.0/5.1 Configuration):M  	 256MB RAMa) (2) DEC RZ-26L 1 GB Fast SCSI-2 Hard Diska DEC RRD43 2X SCSI CD-ROM Drive Built-in 10BaseT, AUI 3 ZLX-E1 8-bit 2D Graphics (PMAGD-AA) 1280x1024 @72Hz  19" DEC VRT19-DA Monitor Keyboard, mouse, power cablesdD Tru64 5.0 pre-loaded (non-commercial/commercial Tru64 license reqd.)J Tru64 5.1 available on request (non-supported configuration by Compaq, but9 it will work, see earlier newsgroup postings for details)-  4 $500.00 + Shipping, $450.00 + Shipping w/out monitor   ----  E Also available, AlphaStation 600 5/266 & Digital Personal Workstation.H 600aus.  Ck. http://junior.apk.net/~havoc/decgear.html for all specs and prices.h   --  $ UCL Workstations, Servers & Networks3 A member of the auctions.workstations.org community  Email: havoc@apk.netJ Auctions: http://auctions.workstations.org/com/plsql/usersearch?id=ucl_wsn   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 23:04:38 GMT& From: UCL Workstations <havoc@apk.net>+ Subject: FS: Digital AlphaStation 600 5/266 ( Message-ID: <942k26$krp$1@plonk.apk.net>  1 Digital AlphaStation 600 for sale, last one left. F Basic config below, more details, including spare parts, available at:  ) http://junior.apk.net/~havoc/decgear.htmls  ! Discounts to local/pickup buyers!p   Config:X -------   5 AlphaStation 600 5/266 (Tru64 5.0/5.1 Configuration):i  	 256MB RAMa+ DEC RZ-28VW 2 GB Fast/Wide SCSI-2 Hard Disk,5 DEC RZ-29VW 4 GB Fast/Wide SCSI-2 Hard Disk (7200RPM): DEC RRD46 6X SCSI CD-ROM Drive9 2-channel Fast/Wide SCSI & 10Base Combo Ethernet Adapter V- Additional DEC 10/100BaseT Ethernet interfacem, High-end PowerStorm 4D40T 3D PCI Framebuffer5  (ZLXp-L1 framebuffer available for OpenVMS installs,u-   ZLXp-E1 available for Linux & BSD installs)' Keyboard, mouse, power cables E Tru64 5.0 pre-loaded (non-commercial/commercial Tru64 license reqd.) r Tru64 5.1 available also.r   $1095.00 + Shipping4   ----  C DEC 3000 series Alphas and Digital Personal Workstation 600aus alsoJI available, ck. http://junior.apk.net/~havoc/decgear.html for more detailsu and pricing.   -- n$ UCL Workstations, Servers & Networks3 A member of the auctions.workstations.org communityO Email: havoc@apk.netJ Auctions: http://auctions.workstations.org/com/plsql/usersearch?id=ucl_wsn   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:15:22 GMTt From: kparris@my-deja.comg- Subject: Re: Gigabit Ethernet and VMS 6.2-1H3 ) Message-ID: <942dl1$cn3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   ( dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.) wrote:E > Is this true?  I heard VMS does not yet support jumbo frames, but I 
 assumed it- > could at least get up to FDDI sized frames.e  C Well, when I used a value of 4468 for NISCS_MAX_PKTSZ, in a clusterAA with both FDDI and GbE links, PEDRIVER used FDDI exclusively, and G wouldn't use GbE.  When I set NISCS_MAX_PKTSZ to 1498, then GbE started ? being preferred over FDDI because of its somewhat lower averagen7 latency.  I didn't try any values in between those two.eG -----------------------------------------------------------------------lG Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospamsF VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals     Sent via Deja.com- http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:49:52 +1100-/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> ! Subject: Re: HIghest file versionr0 Message-ID: <aY596.1789$kb5.5308@ozemail.com.au>  B Miller, Daniel <Daniel.Miller@nightfreight.co.uk> wrote in message; news:5E8A0E4920B0D411B1E900508BFCB24029946A@NF-HOUSE-NT1...i > Hi everyone, > F > What is the highest file version allowed in VMS?  We have VMS 7.2-1. >o 32767nJ I know this as our library system has a batch job that runs every 2 hours.C It has run without incident for over 7 years but failed last month, 1 A quick purge and rename should last it another 7v Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:42:11 GMTn* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com># Subject: Re: HOWTO: Mounting devicei) Message-ID: <9424m1$3rb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  - In article <3A646CDE.5E026AD0@star.rl.ac.uk>, -   Hitendra Patel <hiten@star.rl.ac.uk> wrote:r > Greeting All >nF > It's been a while since I used VMS but one of our user wants to readH > data off his tape. He doesn't  remember the dataset name etc: Think he > used the backup command. >AA > 1.. How do I read the data from tape to disk (tapedrive = mub1)     G WARNING: The following commands were not tested, but I believe they are  correct:   $ MOUNT/OVER=ID MUB1:o   To see what's on the tape:   $ DIRECTORY MUB1:r   To copy files off the tape:e   $ COPY MUB1:*.* disk:[dir]  - -OR-, substitute the filename desired for *.*v .   $ If these files are BACKUP save sets,   $ MOUNT/FOREIGN MUB1:e6 $ BACKUP/LIST MUB1:*  ! to see what's in the save setsF $ BACKUP MUB1:save-set-name/REWIND disk:[dir]  ! to retrieve the filesC $ BACKUP MUB1:save-set-name/REWIND disk:[dir...]  ! to retrieve the-C files with directory structure intact. You may want to create a newo' [dir] before copying files to the disk.:  C BACKUP starts from the current position on the tape. Use /REWIND to28 tell it to rewind the tape before executing the command.   >@G > 2.. How do I mount mub1: - I've tried mount/foreign mub1:  but on theo/ > main console I get Please mount MUB1 for xxxx   E The console is telling you to physically pick up the tape, load it onmE the tape device MUB1:, and put it online (if 9-track, e.g.). Then thedD command should complete. Perhaps you loaded the tape on a tape drive that is not MUB1:.   --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. It< is broken. Instead, use the address below, removing the long wrong part first. Thanks.t   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)( afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.com     Sent via Deja.comv http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:13:08 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>r# Subject: Re: HOWTO: Mounting device-- Message-ID: <3A64FFB4.9DF31B44@earthlink.net>m   Hitendra Patel wrote:. >  > Greeting All > F > It's been a while since I used VMS but one of our user wants to readH > data off his tape. He doesn't  remember the dataset name etc: Think he > used the backup command. > A > 1.. How do I read the data from tape to disk (tapedrive = mub1)n  $ I believe others have answered that.  sG > 2.. How do I mount mub1: - I've tried mount/foreign mub1:  but on thed/ > main console I get Please mount MUB1 for xxxxe  1 $ MOUNT/NOASSIST will prevent the OPCOM requests.n   -- e David J. DachteraI dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:02:22 GMTj From: craig.lansing@ipaper.com Subject: HP-9000 to DECServern) Message-ID: <942cso$br7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>6  B I realize that this is more of an HP-UX than VMS question, but....  F Has anyone used the HP-9000 ocd/ddfa ethernet to serial comm. softwareC to communicate with a port on a DEC Terminal Server (DECServer 90M,gG 700, or 900TM)?  Does this work well?  Any major problems?  Any specials. configuration (dp or otherwise)considerations?  E On a similar note, has anyone used an HP-9000 as a bootp server for an3 DECServer and is there anything special about that?w         Sent via Deja.comV http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 23:26:36 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: Re: HP-9000 to DECServer:6 Message-ID: <942lbc$86d$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  J In article <942cso$br7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, craig.lansing@ipaper.com writes:C :I realize that this is more of an HP-UX than VMS question, but....$  	   Ayup...o  G :Has anyone used the HP-9000 ocd/ddfa ethernet to serial comm. softwaredD :to communicate with a port on a DEC Terminal Server (DECServer 90M,H :700, or 900TM)?  Does this work well?  Any major problems?  Any special/ :configuration (dp or otherwise)considerations?C  C   If you are connecting on the serial side opf the DECserver, well,s:   it's a serial line that expects XON/XOFF line control...  B   I'd suspect a lower density of folks familiar with HP/UX serial 2   connections here than in the HP/UX newsgroups...  @   On the network side, you'd need LAT client software for HP/UX.@   The LAT protocol and associated example software was licensed,/   and was not generally available for download.-  E   I'd suspect a lower density of folks familiar with HP/UX LAT clientg   availability here than...   F :On a similar note, has anyone used an HP-9000 as a bootp server for a4 :DECServer and is there anything special about that?  E   A cheap/used OpenVMS VAX would be an alternative approach...  OtheriG   approaches might be available, but the problem description is slim...0  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:38:07 -0500C4 From: "Craig D. Lansing (root)" <lansing@beldar.com>! Subject: Re: HP-9000 to DECServerw* Message-ID: <3A64F77F.B318B63D@beldar.com>  O By your reply I have now gotten infinitely more info. than I got from the HP-UX-Q newsgroup where I started.  Be that as the case, I am trying to avoid using an HP O DTC (terminal server) to do the serial communications to the DECServer.  I justfQ seems like an extra piece of hardware.  I'd rather go straight via TCP/IP or some M other HP supported protocol to a port on the DECServer and run an RS-232 linedK from that port back into the same DECServer that is connected to the Alpha.iQ I realize that all this buys me is one less failure point (the DTC).  Ultimately,PM I'd like to have just gone sockets directly to the Alpha and avoid the serial G nonsense altogether, but that was way beyond the vendor's capabilities.S     Hoff Hoffman wrote:j  L > In article <942cso$br7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, craig.lansing@ipaper.com writes:E > :I realize that this is more of an HP-UX than VMS question, but....i >o >   Ayup...  >eI > :Has anyone used the HP-9000 ocd/ddfa ethernet to serial comm. softwareiF > :to communicate with a port on a DEC Terminal Server (DECServer 90M,J > :700, or 900TM)?  Does this work well?  Any major problems?  Any special1 > :configuration (dp or otherwise)considerations?3 > E >   If you are connecting on the serial side opf the DECserver, well,]< >   it's a serial line that expects XON/XOFF line control... >.C >   I'd suspect a lower density of folks familiar with HP/UX serial 4 >   connections here than in the HP/UX newsgroups... >nB >   On the network side, you'd need LAT client software for HP/UX.B >   The LAT protocol and associated example software was licensed,1 >   and was not generally available for download.< >@G >   I'd suspect a lower density of folks familiar with HP/UX LAT clientL >   availability here than...  >SH > :On a similar note, has anyone used an HP-9000 as a bootp server for a6 > :DECServer and is there anything special about that? >CG >   A cheap/used OpenVMS VAX would be an alternative approach...  OtherfI >   approaches might be available, but the problem description is slim...  >nP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:38:46 -0800 & From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>6 Subject: Looking for Backup Scheduler for OpenVMS 7.21* Message-ID: <3A652FE6.B077C362@sunset.net>   Hi all!   G I'm fairly new to VMS, I only know enough to be dangerous, so please be - kind and and understanding with my ignorance.lH We have a small network of 5 Dec PWS 500AU's running Open VMS 7.21. (notE clustered)  Once a month I go around to each computer and load a tapeaH and archive a data directory.  My collection of tapes is growing, and my patience is wearing thin.-E Where can I find an easy to use (and reasonably inexpensive) softwareBD package that will allow me to set up a network wide scheduled backupE from one node?  I'm thinking of something similar to Backup Exec thatn will work on VMS.0B I know that a reasonably smart person can set up a scheduled batchE process that will do this kind of job, but I'm not that smart and notiC that interested in becoming more than casually familiar with  batche processes and DCL.  
 Any ideas?   TIA    Tom C. tccrab@sunset.netf --A -----------------------------------------------------------------  My father used to tell me,> "Son, there is nothing wrong with being scared. . . as long as5 you don't let it affect you until the danger is over.i> Being hysterical is okay, too . . . afterwards and in private.A Tears are not unmanly . . . in the bathroom with the door locked. ; The difference between a coward and a brave man is mostly a. matter of timing"t  0       --------- Robert A. Heinlein -------------A -----------------------------------------------------------------a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:03:14 -0500-4 From: Gary Gladstone <gladstone@istp7.gsfc.nasa.gov>7 Subject: Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped set:3 Message-ID: <3A649AF2.B7F505C1@istp7.gsfc.nasa.gov>-  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------A24BF20DFAD190060A9124F5* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   > Why not break the 36GB striped set into smaller logical drives@ at the controller level. Then init on VMS to get smaller cluster> sizes, then mount/bind them back together. The end result will be a 36GB bound set.   Clayton Kroh wrote:g  _ > Thanks to all that replied. I think I need to regroup and determine the best way to split the ^ > student accounts onto separate 18 GB drives as upgrading to VMS 7.2 is not an option anytime > soon.o >p > Thanks again.n >o > "D.Webb" wrote:t >n] > > In article <3A5F32C8.E6E4CD67@clarion.edu>, Clayton Kroh <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU> writes:g > > >Environment:I > > >F# > > >Alpha 4100, OpenVMS 7.1, HSJ50o > > >__ > > >On the HSJ50 I created a 36 GB striped set using two 18 GB drives. By default, the cluster ] > > >size is set to 69 when the drive is initialized so when I copied 7 GB of data to the newAU > > >striped set it ended up taking 17 GB (ouch!) leaving only 19 GB free. I tried to X > > >initialize the striped set with initialize/cluster_size=(anything < 69)  $2$dua903:: > > >userss  and it will not accept anything less than 69. > > > \ > > >Is this truly that smallest cluster size I can use due to the geometry of the two 18 GB\ > > >drives? This striped set contains mostly very small mail files for our students so this- > > >seems like it is a major waste of space.2 > > >  > >RP > > Yes it is a major waste of space. Unfortunately the only way around it is toP > > upgrade to VMS 7.2 (or better still VMS 7.2-1) where these ridiculous limits > > are greatly relaxed.P > > With VMS 7.2 and later  you can have a cluster size of 1 for a 36GB and much > > larger disks.i > >oY > > >Could I stripe four 9 GB drives and be able to use a smaller cluster size to be more6+ > > >efficient and not waste so much space?B > > >U > >uP > > No this would make no difference - what counts is the total size of the disk > > presented to VMS.r > >.R > > On our Academic cluster I had a number of 18GB disks which (when I was runningO > > VMS 7.1) I partitioned so that they appeared as 4 separate approx 4GB disksa7 > > using the HSZ50 so as not to waste space like this.dP > > Now I am running VMS 7.2-1 this is no longer a problem so I have removed the1 > > partitioning and they are back as 18GB disks.w > >bM > > By the way what would you do to protect this proposed stripe set of 4 9GBdA > > drives. Would you be shadowing it with another set of disks ? S > > 4 drives striped = 4 times the chance of losing all your data when a disk driveSS > > goes bad. I would be looking at shadowing or one of the controller raid optionst > > for resilience.A > >0R > > For that matter do you really need to stripe these disks into one large disk ?H > > Would splitting the files across separate disks not provide adequateG > > performance with any disk problem only affecting part of the data ?  > >aS > > If you do create one large stripe-set how are you going to create the directorytQ > > structure on this disk. If you create all the users accounts at the top-leveltJ > > you may have performance problems because of the size of the top levelA > > directory. You may need to create a number of sub-directoriesbM > > [.usr1], [.usr2], [.usr3]  etc and split your user accounts amongst them.  > >/R > > (since you mention student mail files I am assuming that the disk will containQ > > a large number of student accounts each of which contains their mail.mai file 	 > > etc).: > >t > >p > > David Webb > > VMS and Unix team leader > > CCSS > > Middlesex University > >6_ > > >When I backup this new 36 GB striped set, will I actually be copying 17 GB of data to tapea_ > > >(1/2 of which would just be empty space because of the large cluster size) or will it onlyXL > > >copy the true 7 GB of real data? (Meaning will I need one tape or two.) > > >E > > >V > > >Thanks in advanced. > > >, > > >--2 > > >Clayton KrohS! > > >Manager, Enterprise Services4 > > >Clarion University of PAe > > >ckroh@clarion.edu > > >(814) 393-1673t > > >d > > >l >C > -- > Clayton Kroh > Manager, Enterprise Services > Clarion University of PA > ckroh@clarion.eduv > (814) 393-1673   --4 Gary Gladstone, Systems Administrator (301-286-9463)A BA&H / Code 450.B (Bldg 23, E402A)/ NASA GSFC, Greenbelt MD 20771i gladstone@istp1.gsfc.nasa.govd    & --------------A24BF20DFAD190060A9124F5- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;a  name="gladstone.vcf"k Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitc, Content-Description: Card for Gary Gladstone  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="gladstone.vcf"v   begin:vcard  n:Gladstone;Gary tel;fax:520-752-2319 tel;work:301-286-9463v x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:NASA GSFC;ISTP adr:;;;Greenbelt;MD;20771; version:2.1w, email;internet:gladstone@istp7.gsfc.nasa.gov fn:Gary Gladstone:	 end:vcard   ( --------------A24BF20DFAD190060A9124F5--   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:59:15 -0500 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>s7 Subject: Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped sets( Message-ID: <3A64C431.709F7435@ohio.edu>  : Others have mentioned RAID 5, etc.  Let me say a bit more:  L You can use controller-based RAID 5 to present one large "volume" to the OS.  Z Then use host-based RAID to treat this as a single-volume stripe-set (RAID 1) which can be. partitioned into separate volumes as you wish.  \ If you want to have them all be one volume, you can combine them using VMS' bound volume set	 features.-  [ We are doing this to hold the files for our keyword search indexes of the 89,000-plus pagesc[ of personal and official Web sites here at Ohio University.  Read performance will be good.a\ Write performance will require more careful management, and if you are conservative may well$ be much worse than read performance.  #                                 RDPu     Clayton Kroh wrote:f   > Environment: >-  > Alpha 4100, OpenVMS 7.1, HSJ50 >a\ > On the HSJ50 I created a 36 GB striped set using two 18 GB drives. By default, the clusterZ > size is set to 69 when the drive is initialized so when I copied 7 GB of data to the newR > striped set it ended up taking 17 GB (ouch!) leaving only 19 GB free. I tried toU > initialize the striped set with initialize/cluster_size=(anything < 69)  $2$dua903:a7 > userss  and it will not accept anything less than 69.l >aY > Is this truly that smallest cluster size I can use due to the geometry of the two 18 GB Y > drives? This striped set contains mostly very small mail files for our students so thiss* > seems like it is a major waste of space. >tV > Could I stripe four 9 GB drives and be able to use a smaller cluster size to be more( > efficient and not waste so much space? >c\ > When I backup this new 36 GB striped set, will I actually be copying 17 GB of data to tape\ > (1/2 of which would just be empty space because of the large cluster size) or will it onlyI > copy the true 7 GB of real data? (Meaning will I need one tape or two.)n >t > Thanks in advanced.e >r > -- > Clayton Kroh > Manager, Enterprise Services > Clarion University of PA > ckroh@clarion.edui > (814) 393-1673   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:53:38 -0500e- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> 7 Subject: Re: Minimum cluster size in a 36GB striped set:( Message-ID: <3A64C2E0.2C66FF48@ohio.edu>  * The VMS 7.2-1 help init /cluster includes:  <    For Version 7.2, you can specify a cluster size for ODS-2C         volumes smaller than allowed by the ODS-2 formula. However,n=         if you try to mount this volume on a system running ag@         version prior to 7.2, the mount fails with the following         error:  P So I conclude that ODS-5 is NOT required for the new cluster-size possibilities.  #                                 RDPU     Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:  P > You need to upgrade to V7.2, which will allow you to use smaller cluster sizesN > on large disks because the size of BITMAP.SYS can be larger than 255 blocks.D > IIRC, that requires it to be an ODS-5 volume (there were also someL > improvements that apply to ODS-2 volumes). The alternative is to break theK > whole thing into smaller logical volumes, for which there are a number ofp > possible approaches. >:
 >         Jann   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jan 2001 15:57:32 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Mistakes were made: was RE: Compaq: etc.b+ Message-ID: <5v5sQqpCWOPt@eisner.decus.org>   ` In article <t3t86t4m3pugoai5bjgv29k8avt362nrqo@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:B > On 16 Jan 2001 10:29:45 -0500, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam > (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: > b >>In article <8p886tc2m6kiaf1qvknpgggu0jfjcin3mg@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:E >>> On 15 Jan 2001 16:15:12 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (Davide >>> Mathog) wrote: >>>  >>>>.   The Apache porttO >>>>was a nice gesture (and maybe it has even displaced the OSU server in a few-I >>>>places), but it doesn't offset the fact that the sole supported (sic).K >>>>browser for VMS is Netscape 3.03, nor does it limit the downside to the@ >>> @ >>> Mozilla  1.0 is currently sheduled for release no later than? >>> 28-May-2001 according to the web site roadmap. Assuming VMSoI >>> engineering have JAVA support and HTTPS sorted by then I would expect G >>> to see Mozilla 1.0 (equivalent to Netscape 6) released very shortlymG >>> thereafter.. Mozilla 0.7 (current pre-beta) seems considerably mores >>> stable than 0.6n >>4 >>I thought the Mozilla work for VMS was Alpha-only. > D > It is. But I can't seem to find a message in the thread specifying > VAX.  E Navigator supports VAX, and comparisons were being made to Navigator.T   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:53:33 -0600t7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>c Subject: Re: Oldtimers responseb- Message-ID: <3A64FB1D.9B3385A3@earthlink.net>w   Wayne Holland wrote: > [snip]# > And that is how it got its name? .  G I thought it was "Compact Quality", squashed together to make "CompaQ",i or something like that...m  $ > Compaq's website speaks volumes.    ; Yeah - it says that they don't know squat about e-commerce!n   --   David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 06:53:54 GMTa) From: "Rob Brown" <robbrown@shaw.wave.ca>  Subject: Re: Oldtimers response/J Message-ID: <01c08052$c89a4180$0f754718@cs918188-a.edmw1.ab.wave.home.com>  4 Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com> wrote in articleF <0895A83C6EA85CA8.D023B5C33D46CBB6.954901EA1AAFCC94@lp.airnews.net>... ...bA >  I mentioned the word VMS to a college student once and he saidl > "Whats that?"   H That's nothing.  I called 1(800)DIGITAL recently, mentioned VMS, and got the same response!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:54:10 -0500a5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> B Subject: Re: OpenGL on a Compaq XP1000 w/ Elsa Gloria Synergy card, Message-ID: <942cgb$9q3v$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  K The confusion around 3D on the ELSA seems to stem from the fact that it wasw: sold as entry 3D on the Intel line of systems from Compaq.  J The P300 and P350 are absolutely supported by OpenVMS on the XP1000.  They are not cheap.  L I can't really defend the current state of graphics on VMS.  All I can do isF try and explain how we got here, what we have, and where we are going.  K 3D has always been a very small percentage of the overall graphics businessdC for VMS.  During the timeperiod where Alpha NT was the focus of theeG workstation group, pretty much all graphics development for new cards -DK especially 3D - dried up complely for VMS.  So none of the 4D51T, 4D60, etcaJ cards were ever supported on VMS.  What support VMS had was based on olderG cards that were not targeted at 3D - like the 3D30/4D20, or the low-end1' cards like the S3 Trio64 or ATI Mach64.m  I When Alpha NT went away, a lot of things changed in workstations, and VMS.E was able to show that there was still a considerable business for VMSnI workstations.  We restarted the graphics group here in VMS, and formed anaL alliance with the UNIX group to leverage the same code, and support the same cards.  K The ELSA card kind-of fell through the cracks of the dissolution of the oldyF workstation group (the code was written by the old workstation group).L While the original intent was to support 3D, it never was done (on VMS or onI Tru64 UNIX).  VMS picked up the support for the 2D code that was written, I and got it to the point we could ship it.  We also decided we had to porteL the P300/P350 code because of the total lack of 3D with the EOL of the 4D20.  K So right now, we have ELSA (2D-only), and P300/350 with OpenGL support.  WeuJ have now done the work to support the 3DLabs Oxygen VX1 (support will showH up in the next graphics patch kit which is almost soup) - for 2D only toJ replace/supplement the ELSA card.  We will replace the P300/350 next (lateF this year) with a family of cards that will get low-end to high-end 3DF graphics with pricing more in the PC range than the workstation range.  I We know that this has taken more time than we would have liked it to, and-D that we won't be really happy with where we are until we replace theD P300/350.  In the grand scheme of things, it turns out that the vastL majority of customers are happy to use the cheapest 2D option we supply, andK don't use 3D.  And the majority of the existing 3D customers are happy with.E the P300/350 performance (although probably less than happy about theeJ price).  We are committed to moving forward to get better, faster, cheaper graphics in the future.   L While the percentage of sales dependent on 3D is small, it is very importantC to us, because many of the users are critical systems, from defensed industry, to health care.   K Frankly, I agree with Mr Mathog in a lot of ways.  If you don't need thingstJ that you can only get with OpenVMS, a nice Compaq PC with a good 3D optionL is a more cost effective system than a XP1000 with a P350.  Plus you can buyJ Quake II to run on it.  I only recommend VMS for 3D use to people who haveH strong needs for VMS features *and* who also require 3D.  The examples IF mentioned before - healthcare, and defense - both are mission criticalL applications - which also have a need to visualize things using 3D.  In bothL cases absolute cost is not the issue, absolute reliability and stability is.* In both cases custom software is the norm.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 22:43:10 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)B Subject: Re: OpenGL on a Compaq XP1000 w/ Elsa Gloria Synergy card, Message-ID: <942ipu$nga@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  d In article <942cgb$9q3v$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:M >While the percentage of sales dependent on 3D is small, it is very important-D >to us, because many of the users are critical systems, from defense >industry, to health care.  J That's somewhat of a circular situation - the number is small because the I cost is high.  Well, and 3D support has been on life support for a while.3   >FL >Frankly, I agree with Mr Mathog in a lot of ways.  If you don't need thingsK >that you can only get with OpenVMS, a nice Compaq PC with a good 3D option=M >is a more cost effective system than a XP1000 with a P350.  Plus you can buytK >Quake II to run on it.  I only recommend VMS for 3D use to people who havetI >strong needs for VMS features *and* who also require 3D.  The examples I G >mentioned before - healthcare, and defense - both are mission criticaltM >applications - which also have a need to visualize things using 3D.  In both M >cases absolute cost is not the issue, absolute reliability and stability is.p+ >In both cases custom software is the norm.   I It's easy to get 3D quickly and cheaply on a PC (not quite so cheaply if lH you need stereo support as well.)  The thing is, after fighting with WNTF for several years now I'm more than ready to pay a bit more for a lessJ troublesome platform.   Or to swap platforms for something that costs the L same but is more reliable.  You only have to rebuild a couple of screwed up J NT machines to become very, very, unhappy with that OS!  I'll bet a lot ofI others feel the same way.  I could probably make a good case for spendinglK 30% or even 40% more than for WNT in exchange for decreased OS maintenance.nL In other words, I suspect that WNT is not nearly so firmly ensconced on the C 3D throne as it first seems.  There would appear to be a market foreI machines that cost a bit more than a PC but are easier to manage and havesI less down time (even better if they cost the same).  But they cannot costoH nearly as much as traditional workstation machines do.  In order to evenK begin to make the argument for the alternative platform one would also have C to be able to run a reasonable amount of prepackaged (commercial ors freeware) software on it.   F Two other platforms come close to satisfying the requirements: the MacJ and Linux/86.  The Mac is pretty much there right now in terms of hardwareI and commercial software, but the OS itself has management issues that areoH nearly as bad as WNT and it's cooperative tasking is a bad fit for heavyH lifting.  Once the transition to Unix underpinnings is completed it willK definitely be worth considering.   Linux/86 is as easy to administer as anyiH other Unix and most of the required software is there now (Staroffice orK Wordperfect Office, CorelDraw suite,etc.) and stereo support should show upa; from Xi or some board vendor one of these days (we hope!). e  K Unfortunately Compaq isn't even a starter in this game with the Alpha.  AndsK it _is_ really unfortunate because one of the things that usually goes handdI in hand with intensive 3D graphics is a need for a hefty dose of floatingbJ point performance.  Compaq is probably going to supply a stereo driver forH OpenGL for Tru64 and OpenVMS but neither platform will be an option evenE so because they lack all of the other required support software.  ButoH some fairly lucrative niches might open for these platforms if the trulyH important pieces of software were ported.  For instance, my stepfather'sB architectural office has a bunch of PCs, which causes them endlessH headaches, and all they ever run on them is Autocad and MS Office.  TheyK absolutely have to have Autocad on the drafting stations, but StarOffice or I WordPerfect Office would likely suffice as substitutes there for MS Word.1C In any case, it's a moot point as there's no Autocad for Alpha (any I variant, I don't think there was even one for WNT/alpha) and the only way 8 there ever will be one is if Compaq pays for the port.    A There's no indication that Compaq is going to put any effort intoaG getting a stereo driver for any card on Linux/Alpha.  There are a smally? number of people who use Tru64 for molecular modeling, but it'suK outrageously expensive to do so.  Linux/Alpha isn't a less expensive optionyI (as it often is in other situations) because there's no hardware stereo. rG The migration path for most of those Tru64 folks (and the SGI users) is I either to x86 systems running Windows variants or Linux. The most bizarrenH part of all is that none of the useful commercial software available forK Linux/x86 is available for Linux/Alpha! Partly that's because many of thoseaI were "lazy" ports and they depend upon x86 assembler code which will onlyvK run (well) on x86 machines.  But it's mostly because Compaq has not managed)@ to partner/bribe/coerce anybody into porting to their platform.   E And round and round it goes.  No users without software, no software 1G without users.  No investment of any part of that $4b/year to break thefH cycle.  Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.  Palmer must be a realK idiot not to have obtained a contract for native Office on Alpha as part ofiI the WNT deal with Microsoft.   Heck, Steve Jobs achieved that for the Mac-F and "all" he had to do was let MS infest the Mac with Ie explorer.  IfI memory serves, MS actually paid Apple a couple of hundred million dollars J as part of the deal.   Once Apple stabilizes Os X they're going to be in aM _very_ interesting position as the only company that can offer MS office on arH Unix platform.  (Ok, maybe others will too if the DOJ breaks up MS, but  that's a big if.)    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu5? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech I   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:49:44 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>a3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Volume Management (On the fly) - Message-ID: <3A64FA38.6C8527D5@earthlink.net>o   Bill Todd wrote: > B > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message) > news:3A6366C3.5BFF6846@earthlink.net... . > > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > > >hH > > > This is bad, because Sun uses these arguments when they sell their! > > > "High Availbility Systems".e > > > G > > > Volume Manager can do file system grow/shrinking on the fly .....  > > > N > > > I think the storage people from Compaq must re-think the features of theJ > > >  Volune Shadow and RAID 5 software. Mount another disk in the volume > > > on the fly ..... > >BH > > I believe *THAT* is what's known as a volume-set, and I believe it's; > > been around since ODS-1, if I'm not too badly mistaken.d > I > You are correct that ODS-x volume sets have been around for a very longeH > time.  However, you are mistaken in thinking that this is what fabio's > talking about.   Let's see...   Fabio said: 4 > Mount another disk in the volume on the fly .....   E (Of course, in UN*X-land, "disk" and "volume" have different meaningst than they do in VMS-land.)   ...and I said...3 > I believe *THAT* is what's known as a volume-set, 	 ...and... = > $ MOUNT/SYSTEM $1$DUA1,$2$DUA2 DRIVE01,DRIVE02/BIND=VOLSET1c >tC > You can add a disk to volume-set without DISMOUNTing the existinghG > volumes. There is no direct relationship to either shadowing or RAID.o  E I don't seem to find where I said that volume-sets were anything morelH than a similar (but not equal) concept. I guess the subtlety escapes me,% but we've been down that road before.t  M > Sun's volume manager, which I think is based on the Veritas volume manager,sD > allows one to add a disk to even a parity-based RAID set (not justJ > concatenate another disk onto the end of a concatenated volume set, likeG > ODS-x's) and redistribute the data to include it - on-line (though at@N > noticeable cost in data-shuffling).  The file system (at least Veritas', andL > likely Sun's as well) can then be told to make use of the additional space1 > on the newly-expanded logical volume - on-line.  > H > As you can imagine, the ability to grow a (RAID-protected) file systemM > dynamically to meet growing needs has significant availability implications N > compared to having to perform a backup/reconfigure/restore sequence when you > run out of space.   G Unless, of course, you use RAID 0+1 instead of RAID-5 - less of a WRITEuC penalty anyway, *AND* you can afford to lose more than two physicaloF devices without risking much more than if you were using RAID-0 alone.F Then, you could split mirror-set members off to make a new set, extend= the new set (make a larger stripe-set), present it to VMS andrG BACKUP/IMAGE to the new set from the old, then add the other mirror-setrG members to to the new unit to get your coverage. Much faster, but stillr
 a disruption.o  D The idea is to plan far enough ahead that you don't run out of space6 until you have the opportunity to take some down time.  H Some folks don't like volume-sets, but if you are willing to work at it,F they can provide the flexibility you need to cover your contingencies.  ; Speaking purely for myself, I can live with ODS under those=& circumstances ... but, that's just me.    > [snip]N > There's nothing inherent in ODS-2's design that would have prohibited makingK > the allocation bitmap and the index file (and its bitmap) discontiguouslyyK > extendible (i.e., treat them more like normal files).  But when ODS-2 was M > designed, the only volumes whose size could change were concatenated volumeeJ > sets (which it treats differently anyway, IIRC, with separate per-volumeL > index files - and per-volume bitmaps?):  RAID hadn't been invented yet, so4 > there was little reason to make the size flexible. > J > Now there is.  Be nice if ODS-2 was enhanced accordingly - which is what > fabio was getting at.u  ! I know what Fabio was getting at!i  E I'm sure Hoff and the others are all ears right now, if you have someoH ideas on how to resolve this problem: disks changing size while MOUNTed.F You could even use LDDRIVER as an experimenting option since you couldB develop a way to extend the container file of MOUNTed LDAu device,F adjust its EOF block number, then tell (something) to adjust the sizes and pointers as necessary.  0 Naturally, clustering complicates things a bit.    -- e David J. Dachtera2 dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:50:18 +0000 (UTC)n  From: mustang@ucc.asn.au.invalid Subject: Re: OpenVMS x AS-400-* Message-ID: <942toq$lpm$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au>  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:; : Schlumberger, one of the oldest companies in Brazil using6@ : OpenVMS + Oracle turned off their machines to use the "legacy"! : IBM  AS-400 running SAP ........  F Fabio, Scumbugger's had an agenda to get VMS out, for about ten years.C As has been said before, often people trip over VAXen in cupboards, B or under desks that only one person uses and has been doing so for= the past ten years, so there's often VMS about, its just thato no-one remembers :)rC My manager in Perth had me decommission the last uVAX in the office/B & Prep helped with getting a 4000/90 running smoothly & quietly in the corner, just-in-case.c  C All of the Geophysical stuff they used to do on VMS has been rolled.? into Geoframe(TM), their uber-G&G app., so the only reason theyt4 need a VAXstation around is to read old field tapes.  A I seem to recall mumblings about DEC pissing SLB off in a big wayn: - whether it was the Ultrix-on-AXP promise, or licensing, B or something else, they ran straight into the waiting arms of Sun.  A I'm surprised that they've gone to AS/400, but I don't know what 9> part of SLB its supposed to be holding up, so maybe there were< allegiances to OS/400 in that sector, but most stuff they do5 nowadays, including their G&G apps, is Oracle on Sun.c   D. -- )! I don't get mad.... I get stabby.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:11:22 -0500 ) From: Bob Dorenfeld <gneiss@mailroom.com>s4 Subject: RE: reviving MicroVax3400 -- mucho gracias!7 Message-ID: <gneiss-250A70.20112216012001@nntp.rev.net>g  I That was a very helpful set of replies, your info will give a jump on it.   I My intention is to use it as a hobbiest machine, playing around with the oG OS and maybe a C compiler.  It's true I could get a newer model at the pH auction sites but since this one was just collecting dust in the corner B I thought I'd give it a whirl.  If nothing else, there was a good - acquarium suggestion here a while back.......o   --Bob Dorenfeldy   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:35:35 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>e4 Subject: Re: reviving MicroVax3400 -- mucho gracias!- Message-ID: <3A6504F7.38E8E030@earthlink.net>c   Bob Dorenfeld wrote: > [snip]6 > My intention is to use it as a hobbiest machine, ...  C Well, don't feel you have to jump into the deep end right away! YouDF could start off with a hobby system, then a hobbier system and finally( work your way up to hobbiest (hobbyist).   ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)    -- t David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:27:32 +1100./ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>w Subject: Re: RMS options. Message-ID: <cD596.97$kb5.5340@ozemail.com.au>  7 Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagek* news:877l40ca2d.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com... >w  > This is possible one for Hein. >0? > On RSX, and maybe early VMS, you could use RMS in 'move mode' > > or 'locate mode'. Locate mode passed back a pointer into the? > RMS buffer for the record you wanted. It did not copy it intot6 > a user buffer. Yes, plenty of chance to FU big time! >hA > Does RMS still have locate mode? Is it Doced, and if so, where?D yespL http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/72final/4506/4506pro_024.html#apps_perform ance_options_sum FDL: CONNECT LOCATE_MODE RMS: RAB$L_ROP RAB$V_LOC Phil   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 19:25:10 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)5 Subject: Re: Setting up ISDN Internet on DEC 3000-300c6 Message-ID: <94276m$4ja$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  h In article <93vohv0maq@enews3.newsguy.com>, "Michael Holmes" <NOSPAM.raider@NOSPAM.mindless.com> writes:I :I have a Dec 3000-300L running VMS 7.2 and TCPIP V5.0. (Hobbist License)eM :I would like to use the built-in ISDN port to call my ISP and connect to thee	 :Internet3  K   No drivers are available for the ISDN port -- at least, there are no ISDN K   drivers for this widget that are included as part of OpenVMS or the core r   networking products...  ) :My ISP dynamically assigns a IP address.   K   DHCP client is part of V5.1, the release that is currently in field test.iG   (The OpenVMS V7.3 software developer's kit (SDK2/EFT2) part number isnL   QA-MT3AD-H8, and that kit should contain TCP/IP Services V5.1 field test.)  K :Also if possible I would like the DEC to route for my PC (which is using ac :56K modem currently)   I   There was a discussion of network gateway/router/firewall boxes here ingF   comp.os.vms recently.  (If someone can summarize and can email that =   discussion along to me, I can add it to the OpenVMS FAQ...)e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:08:57 +0000.+ From: Ray Swadling <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk>c? Subject: Strange HSZ50 Firmware problem after upgrade to 5.7...W8 Message-ID: <tv996t0p0lluijeoksft979q4k76iv3kt1@4ax.com>   Hi,   3 Over the weekend we had a power down for UPS work. cD I decided to take the opportunity after the power was restored to do7 some odd jobs (standalone backup the system disk, etc.)h  = One job was to upgrade the HSZ50 microcode from V5.1 to V5.7.f  C Had a problem after the power came back when both HSZ50 controllers < claimed the PMCIA card for V5.1 was unreadable and failed toE initialise. I haven't got any spare cards so decided to try upgradingt@ to V5.7 straight away in order to get the controllers booted OK.  D No problems here, the controllers initialised onto V5.7, and all the- disk config was correct and all working fine.   B However, today I was rearranging some disks, and when I try to runB either CONFIG or CFMENU the controllers reboot straight away. ThisE happens even with a terminal plugged directly into the HSZ so its not, HSZTERM or the VMS drivers.b5 The error code refers to some sort of "SCRIPT ERROR".   D The CSC in the UK haven't heard of this problem so I thought I'd ask the question of the newsgroup.  E Has anyone come across the problem, or is anyone successfully running' 5.7 on their HSZ50s????a   Ray.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:35:37 +0000a5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> C Subject: RE: Strange HSZ50 Firmware problem after upgrade to 5.7... N Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D4C7@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>   Hi,a@ 	when the 5.1 cards couldn't be read where there any LED's on?    H As for CFMENU this shouldn't really be used at all even through a serialL terminal, on the HSG's they have worked out it's not good and dropped it all	 together.e  J Without pulling each HSZ70 at a time and trying a run config to pin down a; particular card/HSZ at fault there's nothing I can suggest.t   Regards, 	Oliver    -----Original Message-----2 From: Ray Swadling [mailto:ray@rgscomputing.co.uk]' Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:09 PMa To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml? Subject: Strange HSZ50 Firmware problem after upgrade to 5.7...d     Hi,i  3 Over the weekend we had a power down for UPS work. mD I decided to take the opportunity after the power was restored to do7 some odd jobs (standalone backup the system disk, etc.)e  = One job was to upgrade the HSZ50 microcode from V5.1 to V5.7.s  C Had a problem after the power came back when both HSZ50 controllersf< claimed the PMCIA card for V5.1 was unreadable and failed toE initialise. I haven't got any spare cards so decided to try upgradings@ to V5.7 straight away in order to get the controllers booted OK.  D No problems here, the controllers initialised onto V5.7, and all the- disk config was correct and all working fine.r  B However, today I was rearranging some disks, and when I try to runB either CONFIG or CFMENU the controllers reboot straight away. ThisE happens even with a terminal plugged directly into the HSZ so its nots HSZTERM or the VMS drivers.e5 The error code refers to some sort of "SCRIPT ERROR".o  D The CSC in the UK haven't heard of this problem so I thought I'd ask the question of the newsgroup.  E Has anyone come across the problem, or is anyone successfully runningh 5.7 on their HSZ50s????s   Ray.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:57:18 -0800t! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>w6 Subject: Supported drives or new drivers on 3000 300LX9 Message-ID: <EJEDILJIPPJOIEFOLDHLIENBCDAA.tom@kednos.com>d  K I have two Pelicans (3000 model 300LX)  one runs Tru64 and the other VMS6.2yK I have several DDRS series IBM drives, which work on the former but not thec latter.w  H I swapped chassis to ensure that there wasn't some hardware problem, but theseiJ do not work on 6.2, from which I concluded that the drivers didn't supportI them.the drives are from 4 to 9 GB in size.  But what confuses me is thata all therI information on the drive is in the disklabel, so why wouldn't VMS supportt them?   L Also have a number of older drives, RZ23-25 if anybody is interested as well asJ two 3100 chassis (M76 and a somewhat larger guy)each with 32MB.  You would need tos; arrange to pick up from Pebble Beach CA, golf not included.i   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jan 2001 00:29:34 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman): Subject: Re: Supported drives or new drivers on 3000 300LX6 Message-ID: <942p1e$8tj$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ] In article <EJEDILJIPPJOIEFOLDHLIENBCDAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:tL :I have two Pelicans (3000 model 300LX)  one runs Tru64 and the other VMS6.2L :I have several DDRS series IBM drives, which work on the former but not the :latter....   (   Please see OpenVMS FAQ section MISC21.  K   Also, large(r) SCSI disks -- those with an extension to the maximum disk tK   volume size that was provided by SCSI-2 -- circa 8.58GB -- will typicallyaL   require use of the ALPSCSI07_062 (or later) ECO kit for V6.2, or (better) K   require V7.1-2 or later release...  (This to be added to the next FAQ...)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:28:39 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> : Subject: Re: Supported drives or new drivers on 3000 300LX- Message-ID: <3A650357.B0D57424@earthlink.net>    Tom Linden wrote:m > [snip] > But what confuses me is that	 > all theh0 > information on the drive is in the disklabel,   / "disklabel" is a UN*X-proprietary term/concept.s   > so why wouldn't VMS supportl > them?   D Because it doesn't know about them. It uses the physical geometry asE reported by the device. Unlike many other operating systems, VMS uses:G the entire device as presented to the hardware. You're confusing "disk"e with "partition".i  TN > Also have a number of older drives, RZ23-25 if anybody is interested as well > asL > two 3100 chassis (M76 and a somewhat larger guy)each with 32MB.  You would	 > need to = > arrange to pick up from Pebble Beach CA, golf not included.n  C Well, there's always eBay, I s'pose ... but maybe soneone would payuD shipping if you were willing to haul 'em down to the local "Pack and? Ship", "Mailboxes, Etc.", or whatever they call it out there...f   --   David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:54:28 -0800h! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>-: Subject: RE: Supported drives or new drivers on 3000 300LX9 Message-ID: <EJEDILJIPPJOIEFOLDHLMENHCDAA.tom@kednos.com>i  J No, I wasn't confusing partition and drive.  How is the physical geometry  reported to VMS?   > -----Original Message-----> > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@earthlink.net]) > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 6:29 PMr > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com'< > Subject: Re: Supported drives or new drivers on 3000 300LX >  >  > Tom Linden wrote:q
 > > [snip]  > > But what confuses me is that > > all thee2 > > information on the drive is in the disklabel,  > 1 > "disklabel" is a UN*X-proprietary term/concept.s >  > > so why wouldn't VMS supporta	 > > them?e > F > Because it doesn't know about them. It uses the physical geometry asG > reported by the device. Unlike many other operating systems, VMS uses-I > the entire device as presented to the hardware. You're confusing "disk"m > with "partition".a >   > > > Also have a number of older drives, RZ23-25 if anybody is  > interested as well > > asD > > two 3100 chassis (M76 and a somewhat larger guy)each with 32MB.  >  You would > > need to)? > > arrange to pick up from Pebble Beach CA, golf not included.  > E > Well, there's always eBay, I s'pose ... but maybe soneone would payiF > shipping if you were willing to haul 'em down to the local "Pack andA > Ship", "Mailboxes, Etc.", or whatever they call it out there...n >  > --   > David J. Dachterae > dba DJE Systemsi > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:35:22 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>,: Subject: Re: Supported drives or new drivers on 3000 300LX- Message-ID: <3A6512FA.6A509829@earthlink.net>e   Tom Linden wrote:  > K > No, I wasn't confusing partition and drive.  How is the physical geometrym > reported to VMS?  G SCSI inquiry commands sent directly to the "device" (in quotes, becausegG that may be a virtual device served up by a storage controller, and mayuH represent a physical device, a mirror-set, a stripe-set, a RAID-set or a portion of one of those).n   -- m David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.H   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 21:03:17 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Vax 7830 or 7730u6 Message-ID: <942cul$652$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  G In article <941nl3$n3h$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, carsesrac@my-deja.com writes:i3 :...we have is a 7830 with 3 cpu's, but when I givet
 :the command:o' :$ write sys$output f$getsyi("hw_name")r* :It says "VAX 7730" instead of "VAX 7830".  K   The arbiter is the console bootstrap display of the processor model name,lK   -- or (more obscurely) an arcane trip through various internal processor hM   registers -- that will differentiate the VAX 7000 model 700 processor from e#   the VAX 7000 model 800 processor.r  I   Here are the three most likely processor model names that the power-up     sequence will display:      KA7AA  : VAX 7000-600    KA7AB  : VAX 7000-700    KA7AC  : VAX 7000-800  J   I will assume you will see the KA7AC code displayed.  (A list of the VAX:   processor model codes is included in the OpenVMS FAQ...)  F :My first question is what is the difference between the VAX 7830 and  :the VAX 7730.  C   Speed, basically...  The VAX 7000 model 800 series CPU is faster.tB   An individual VAX 7000 processor is/was rated circa 60 VUPs (theD   VAX 7000 model 800) vs 50 VUPs (model 700) vs 35 VUPs (model 600).  @ :And what do have to modify in the software to let it show as a   :VAX 7830 instead of a VAX 7730.  H   A far more recent version of OpenVMS VAX that has this knowledge built0   in, or a (custom) patch to the one you have.    J   I am not entirely certain when we shipped a version of OpenVMS VAX that H   specifically and uniquely recognized the KA7AC CPU, I'd have to check.K   (The first version of OpenVMS VAX that apparently recognizes the VAX 7000oN   model 800 and VAX 10000 model 800 series in the CPUDATA- and SYSLOA-derived I   modules is V7.1 -- though I do not know if this particular codepath is pK   active on V7.1.  Older OpenVMS VAX versions will report it as a VAX 7000 lJ   model 600 or a model 700, depending on how the system was set up at the K   console; depending on if the KA7AC system is emulating a KA7AA or KA7AB.)t  K   Since most folks wanted to use the new VAX on an old OpenVMS release and 0L   as OpenVMS VAX does not support dynamic system recognition, the newer VAX I   systems closely emulate older (and supported) VAX systems.  Various new-J   Alpha systems and OpenVMS Alpha support dynamic system recognition, and L   can often avoid the emulation-or-new-version-for-new-platform requirement.  K   There is no degradation of system performance due to the system platform sG   emulation, as the KA7AC CPU (for instance) will perform as you would iH   expect of a KA7AC series CPU.  You will see 60 VUPs, in other words...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:22:52 GMTn From: craig.lansing@ipaper.com Subject: What is LAT?-) Message-ID: <942l45$j7a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a  G I'll preface this with a disclaimer that I am VMS ignorant, so be kind.n  G I have a vendor with whom I need to serially communicate to their Alpha6@ via an RS-232 connection to a DECServer Terminal Server which is@ connected via ethernet to the Alpha.  All debate aside about whyE serial.... this seems fairly straightforward.  The Terminal Server isrC onsite here in Virginia and the Alpha is in Memphis, but to my minduB that really shouldn't matter since I thought that the purpose of aD Terminal Server is to provide an ethernet to serial interface and asG long as the Terminal Server was within RS-232 limits of the end device,/B it really does not matter where the host is.  The vendor says thatC since he uses LAT to communicate with the Terminal Server he cannot F connect to it over the WAN, the Alpha server must be on the local LAN.G Therefore we cannot test until our local Alpha is installed.  Something-+ seems really strange with this, doesn't it?:     Sent via Deja.comi http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:52:59 GMT0( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: What is LAT?e' Message-ID: <G7A50B.B7q@spcuna.spc.edu>e    craig.lansing@ipaper.com writes:I > I'll preface this with a disclaimer that I am VMS ignorant, so be kind.o  
   No problem.e  I > I have a vendor with whom I need to serially communicate to their AlpharB > via an RS-232 connection to a DECServer Terminal Server which isB > connected via ethernet to the Alpha.  All debate aside about whyG > serial.... this seems fairly straightforward.  The Terminal Server is2E > onsite here in Virginia and the Alpha is in Memphis, but to my mindTD > that really shouldn't matter since I thought that the purpose of aF > Terminal Server is to provide an ethernet to serial interface and asI > long as the Terminal Server was within RS-232 limits of the end device,0D > it really does not matter where the host is.  The vendor says thatE > since he uses LAT to communicate with the Terminal Server he cannotPH > connect to it over the WAN, the Alpha server must be on the local LAN.I > Therefore we cannot test until our local Alpha is installed.  Somethingc- > seems really strange with this, doesn't it?   I   LAT is "Local Area Transport" - it encapsulates terminal sessions onto  E Ethernet at the link level. It does not use TCP/IP, so most wide-areaeH links won't pass it. You can bridge it between Ethernets, but LAT is notH very forgiving of link delays and packet loss (remember, it was designedE to work on a single Ethernet segment). You could also convert it to auH routable protocol (like Telnet) and optionally convert it back to LAT atE the far end, but this usually requires an advanced feature set in theP WAN routers.  I   If the terminal server you have also handles TCP/IP as well as LAT, you/$ could configure it that way instead.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:18:47 -0500-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a Subject: Re: What is LAT?o, Message-ID: <3A64E4C7.FBBD6DC0@videotron.ca>   craig.lansing@ipaper.com wrote:0 > I > I'll preface this with a disclaimer that I am VMS ignorant, so be kind.n  ? <profuse set of unkind insults censured by the newsgroup robot>9    E > since he uses LAT to communicate with the Terminal Server he cannot H > connect to it over the WAN, the Alpha server must be on the local LAN.  V That is correct. LAT (Local Area Transport) is not routable. It is however bridgeable.N As I recall, LAT talks ethernet to ethernet so routers don't know how/where to route a packet.b  LAT is also sensitive to delays.  N However, some of the last terminal servers were able to talk via TELNET/TCPIP, and that is routable.o  F If one were to take a frame relay link, could one bridge LAT over it ?   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jan 2001 00:41:38 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: What is LAT?e6 Message-ID: <942po2$8tj$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  J In article <942l45$j7a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, craig.lansing@ipaper.com writes:  C :...I need to serially communicate...via an RS-232 connection to a TH :DECServer Terminal Server which is connected via ethernet to the Alpha.I :...the purpose of a Terminal Server is to provide an ethernet to serial aJ :interface and as long as the Terminal Server was within RS-232 limits of ? :the end device, it really does not matter where the host is....  H   Correct.  It doesn't.  Modems work fine for remote serial access, too.  D :since he uses LAT to communicate with the Terminal Server he cannotG :connect to it over the WAN, the Alpha server must be on the local LAN.D  E   This could potentially be confusion over which end of the terminal eB   server is involved, or there could be something else going on...  = :Therefore we cannot test until our local Alpha is installed.i  I   Various terminal servers communicate over the Ethernet network via LAT.a/   Others use IP or a combination of IP and LAT.   K   All discussions of EIA-232 (-C, -D, or whatever the revision) aside, the sK   terminal server has assumptions around timing and the supported character L   set -- XON/XOFF flow control, for instance -- and a terminal server-based N   serial line might not be particularly (are not) suitable for serial network /   protocols such as SLIP or asychronous DECnet.e  J   Certain terminal servers CAN switch over to provide SLIP or PPP network H   communications (IP) over an asynch line, but these widgets are acting J   as protocol routers on the network segment and are not operating as LAT    boxes.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:31:44 -0600d7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: What is LAT? - Message-ID: <3A650410.543CBD29@earthlink.net>    JF Mezei wrote:e > [snip]H > If one were to take a frame relay link, could one bridge LAT over it ?  H Been there, done that, have the coffee mug, the t-shirt, the ashtray and matchbook, ...   -- c David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.d   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jan 2001 19:02:44 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)1 Subject: Re: where is the new version of OpenVMS? 6 Message-ID: <9425sk$4ja$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <qt166tg3ndq5ucmt5gnc5496hc557o1tt3@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes: :I have I think 7.2, w  D   The SHOW SYSTEM command will show you the running OpenVMS version.  = :and there was supposedly a 7.2-1 but where is 7.3 or higher?   C   Please see the OpenVMS roadmap.  Pointers are in the OpenVMS FAQ.m  E   OpenVMS Alpha shipping version is V7.2-1, with the hardware releasemA   V7.2-1H1 also available.  OpenVMS VAX shipping version is V7.2.e  C   The OpenVMS V7.3 Field Test Software Developer's Kit (SDK) is nowhF   available: QA-MT3AD-H8.  The shipping SDK version is V7.3 EFT2/SDK2.  H   Releases after V7.3 are under development, with two new OpenVMS Alpha G   releases and one new OpenVMS VAX release currently under development cI   (in parallel), and with various advanced development work underway for tG   inclusion into OpenVMS releases after these.  Some of the details of D4   this work and these releases are in the roadmap...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.033 ************************