0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 18 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 35      Contents:4 Re: ***** INSANITY ***** READ IS IMPORTANT - OR NO ?4 Re: ***** INSANITY ***** READ IS IMPORTANT - OR NO ?3 Apache web server:  Actively discarding privileges? 7 Re: Apache web server:  Actively discarding privileges? ( Re: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS?( Re: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS?	 Re: Books * Re: Compaq continues the Digital Tradition* Re: Compaq continues the Digital Tradition* Re: Compaq continues the Digital Tradition4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution8 Re: dec-axpvms-vms721_fibrechan-v0300--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexe% Does anyone have a spare VMS doc kit? % Does anyone have a spare VMS doc kit? + Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry..... + Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry..... + Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry..... 5 Re: Error: DECnet address is not Equal to SCSSYSTEMID  EUREX and CBOT New System  Expanding the niche  Re: Ghostscript v6.50 $ Hobbyist VMS support for VS 4000 VLC Re: HP-9000 to DECServer$ Re: LED error codes for Alpha 3400 ?- Looking for SGET or WGET for VMS with TCPWare 1 Re: Looking for SGET or WGET for VMS with TCPWare * Re: Mail and attathments on OpenVMS to dos mail server suggestions  Re: mail server suggestions  Re: Misbehaving Seagate drive ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line  Re: Oldtimers response Re: Oldtimers response Re: Oldtimers response Re: Oldtimers response) RE: Open VMS mail and set forward numbers ! Re: OpenVMS "reply/to" challenge. - Re: OpenVMS : solid but low profile - by CNET * Re: OpenVMS Volume Management (On the fly)I Re: Reboot not working on AlphaStation Dec 3000 Model 300 , OpenVMS 7.2-1  Re: Retired Oldtimer Re: Run .com Every 5 Min?  Re: Run .com Every 5 Min?  Re: Server queue Re: TCP/IP Configuration& V7.3-FT2, DS10, but no DTGREET/DTLOGIN# Re: Veritas Netbackup agent for VMS 9 Re: VMS scheduling products - what are people using today  Re: WRQ drops LAT ???  Re: x25 packet switching Re: x25 packet switching Re: x25 packet switching  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:09:02 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> = Subject: Re: ***** INSANITY ***** READ IS IMPORTANT - OR NO ? , Message-ID: <3A65EDCD.9B22C32A@videotron.ca>  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > =    > Click  > =   J > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-4500953-0.html?tag=3Dst.ne.1002.lt= hd > =   ' > May be ... Hp should buy Compaq ! ! !   H The last paragraphs is the most important (from an analysts blasting the suggestion that HP buy Compaq):   J    "Why would HP buy Compaq?" he said. "What do they buy? They=92d get no= thing.J     There=92s no technology there. Gateway=92s not going to sell out. Thi= s is insanity." =      J The "There's no technology there" is an image that is entirely Compaq's f= ault7 because it insists on advertising only its wintel side.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:36:36 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com = Subject: Re: ***** INSANITY ***** READ IS IMPORTANT - OR NO ? D Message-ID: <OF0D5BB3AC.64435777-ON882569D7.006BAABB@foundation.com>  - I've posted a rebuttal, using marketingspeak.    Shane           A JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> on 01/17/2001 11:09:02 AM    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   > Subject:  Re: ***** INSANITY ***** READ IS IMPORTANT - OR NO ?    * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >  > Click  > I > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-4500953-0.html?tag=st.ne.1002.lthd  > ' > May be ... Hp should buy Compaq ! ! !   H The last paragraphs is the most important (from an analysts blasting the suggestion that HP buy Compaq):   D    "Why would HP buy Compaq?" he said. "What do they buy? They'd get nothing.I     There's no technology there. Gateway's not going to sell out. This is 
 insanity."    G The "There's no technology there" is an image that is entirely Compaq's  fault 7 because it insists on advertising only its wintel side.    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jan 2001 19:28:31 GMT= From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) < Subject: Apache web server:  Actively discarding privileges?, Message-ID: <944rov$1dgu@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>  M Converting some scripts that previously ran under my OSUHTTP web server.  The M OSU server's user ID had far too many privs defaulted to it, while the Apache L server's user ID has far too few for the scripts in question (NETMBX, TMPMBX
 and EXQUOTA).   M As I began to figure out just what PRIVs my scripts really needed, I began to H grant those privileges to the Apache server's user ID as AUTHORIZED, not6 DEFAULT privileges.  A test script was developed that:  ? 	1) Displays CURRENT, IMAGE, PROCESS and AUTHORIZED privileges. E 	2) Attempts to do a SYS$SETPRV to activate the additional AUTHORIZED  		privilegesE 	3) Displays CURRENT, IMAGE, PROCESS and AUTHORIZED privileges AGAIN.   H When I run the test script, even the AUTHORIZED privileges listed at theJ outset are cut back to EXQUOTA, NETMBX and TMPMBX.  Under MCR AUTHORIZE, IH see the additional privileges all authorized.  When I do a SHOW PROC/ID=? on the various Apache processes running, I see all of them are:    Authorized privileges:!  EXQUOTA      NETMBX       TMPMBX    Process privileges: +  EXQUOTA              may exceed disk quota /  NETMBX               may create network device 2  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox  L Since MCR AUTHORIZE shows the additional authorized privileges, I'm guessingJ that the primary process for Apache, when it starts, actively discards theK additional privileges; subsequent child processes are thus never authorized  for them either?  E So HOW does one insure that the scripts have the privileges required, J especially since the suEXEC method of protecting scripts by executing themK under the userid of the user who owns them isn't implemented?  Do I need to ( INSTALL the images used with privileges?  M +-"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+ N | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")            InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu | M | Systems Design Specialist - Lead       AT&T:      (814) 865-1818          | M | Library Computing Services             FAX:       (814) 863-3560          | M | E3 Paterno Library                     "I'd rather be dancing..."         | M | Penn State University         A host is a host from coast to coast,       | M | University Park, PA 16802     And no one will talk to a host that's close | M | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>  Unless the host that isn't close            | M | VMS GopherMeister             Is busy, hung or dead.                      | M +------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+ 9                  [apologies to DeForest Kelly, 1920-1999] 3 <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>  J <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a>   ------------------------------   Date: 17 JAN 2001 22:01:11 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> @ Subject: Re: Apache web server:  Actively discarding privileges?2 Message-ID: <17JAN01.22011142@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  > jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) wrote:O > Converting some scripts that previously ran under my OSUHTTP web server.  The O > OSU server's user ID had far too many privs defaulted to it, while the Apache N > server's user ID has far too few for the scripts in question (NETMBX, TMPMBX > and EXQUOTA).  >  nO > As I began to figure out just what PRIVs my scripts really needed, I began to*J > grant those privileges to the Apache server's user ID as AUTHORIZED, not8 > DEFAULT privileges.  A test script was developed that: >  gA > 	1) Displays CURRENT, IMAGE, PROCESS and AUTHORIZED privileges.cG > 	2) Attempts to do a SYS$SETPRV to activate the additional AUTHORIZEDi > 		privilegesG > 	3) Displays CURRENT, IMAGE, PROCESS and AUTHORIZED privileges AGAIN.n >   J > When I run the test script, even the AUTHORIZED privileges listed at theL > outset are cut back to EXQUOTA, NETMBX and TMPMBX.  Under MCR AUTHORIZE, IJ > see the additional privileges all authorized.  When I do a SHOW PROC/ID=A > on the various Apache processes running, I see all of them are:e >  ' > Authorized privileges:# >  EXQUOTA      NETMBX       TMPMBX  >    > Process privileges: - >  EXQUOTA              may exceed disk quotaD1 >  NETMBX               may create network devicen4 >  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox >  6N > Since MCR AUTHORIZE shows the additional authorized privileges, I'm guessingL > that the primary process for Apache, when it starts, actively discards theM > additional privileges; subsequent child processes are thus never authorizedp > for them either?  H IIRC, a subprocess inherits only currently active privs from its parent.J Those are used as both the authorized and process privs.  You can see this% rather simply from a priv'ed account.e     1) SHOW PROC/PRIV /   2) disable some current, but authorized, priv 
   3) SPAWN   4) SHOW PROC/PRIVe  H The subproc will be missing the disabled priv in both the authorized and process lists.  G It is possible to change this via a SYS$CREPRC call, but obviously that + would require access to the Apache sources.   G > So HOW does one insure that the scripts have the privileges required, L > especially since the suEXEC method of protecting scripts by executing themM > under the userid of the user who owns them isn't implemented?  Do I need top* > INSTALL the images used with privileges?  A INSTALL would work.  Or maybe you could do something via ACLs and  protected subsystems?    Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV3H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:34:25 -0500i* From: Glen Kelley <glen.kelley@compaq.com>1 Subject: Re: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS?u* Message-ID: <3A661DF1.AB87BE21@compaq.com>  J Blockbuster stores have been using Digital PC (now Compq PC) for their POSC application since 1996. The PC runs the bar code scanner, terminal,-B cash drawer and price tower. The system is connected to a backroomF server (PC). The PC contains a special Blockbuster interface card thatN connects all these devices. The application was originally DOS based, but they    have recently upgraded to Win95.  H The servers connect to the home office, but I do not know what's running there.   glen kelley? former digital PC group    Howard S Shubs wrote:h  E > In article <gHO86.9631$jk6.2603345@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>, "MrSignor" + > <MrSignor@nospam_bellatlantic.net> wrote:b >CH > >Whether they are now i dont know, but a 500au that I bought from eBayK > >last August had not been wiped ... it had various BlockBuster info on itg > L > Last I looked, a couple of years ago, BlockBuster's POS equipment was done > using VMS and FORTRAN. > -- > Howard S ShubsF > "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2001 08:37:07 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>1 Subject: Re: BJ's Warehouse club - using OpenVMS?D- Message-ID: <87bst5g0gc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>d  , Glen Kelley <glen.kelley@compaq.com> writes:  " > have recently upgraded to Win95.                 ^^^^^^^^6 Always wondered what that word meant. ;) Nice to know.   -- .< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.r@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:02:59 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: BooksH Message-ID: <OF8618A7E6.56A7C476-ON802569D7.00681667@qedi.quintiles.com>  J The 7.x version  of the Scheduling and Process Control volume was releasedH back in 1997 and was planned as being the first volume in a set of five.& Any ideas what happened to the others?A (Ref : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/books_internals.html-   Steve.  > Hoff responded to Shane dot f dot smith at healthnet dot com :D >>>:...are there any current plans concerning "OpenVMS Internals and :Data Structures"?  D   I'd tend to expect to see incremental updates, but I don't know ifC   any schedule, any DRI (Designated Responsible Individual), or any )   other details have been announced...<<<    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:42:48 -0500f- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 3 Subject: Re: Compaq continues the Digital Traditions, Message-ID: <3A65F5B5.5F7F1882@videotron.ca>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:J >      The Athlon is 5% faster than the Pentium 3 at the same clock speed. > The Alpha is 50%1 >      faster. Need speed? The choice is obvious.g  L Compaq is not allowed to compete against Intel. Until that changes, Alpha is4 truly going to be relegated to a small niche market.  M I say: Sell the digital systems (VMS, True64, Alpha, amd all the software) torK Apple. Apple isn't affraid to market head to head against MS and Intel. Then other suitor would be Sun.  L Now, if Oracle were to buy the "enterprise" side of Compaq, it would be ableJ to be succesful, but it would signify a HUGE change and gamble for Oracle.  L But think baout how VMS would become THE platform of choice for all types of9 servers and benefit from all of Oracle's advertising etc.a  L Oracle would then be competing head to head against IBM-DB2, Wintel-SQL etc.M The big question is whether sales of Oracle on other platforms would dwindle.e; But Oracle could do serious harm to both SUN and Microsoft.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:22:35 GMTt, From: peterw@u.genie.co.uk (Peter Watkinson)3 Subject: Re: Compaq continues the Digital Tradition = Message-ID: <3a65f06f.14341382@newshost.netscapeonline.co.uk>x  E On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:06:02 -0500, Jack Patteeuw <jpatteeu@ford.com>d wrote:    >STEALTH MARKETING AT ITS BEST ! >pH >Well the EV68/833 Mhz version of the ES40 is now "officially" availableH >(it's on the DBL price file and in the QuickSpec).  Of course you would1 >never know this if you checked the ES40 web sites5 >(http://www5.compaq.com/alphaserver/es_series.html).  >r >Sigh. >n >Jack Patteeuw    < Instead of griping one solution could be to post the news atA www.alphanews.net if Compaq can't be bothered with marketing thenS$ maybe we can do it for them.........  - *not meant to be taken as personal criticism*r    kind regards,   Pete  aka zog65t Peter Watkinsonl peterw@u.genie.co.uk& http://www.windsurf-international.com/ http://www.pwnavigate.com/ http://you.genie.co.uk/peterw/   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2001 15:54:58 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)-3 Subject: Re: Compaq continues the Digital Tradition1* Message-ID: <9450r2$3sp$1@lisa.gemair.com>  , In article <3A65F5B5.5F7F1882@videotron.ca>,/ JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: # >Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:aK >>      The Athlon is 5% faster than the Pentium 3 at the same clock speed.u >> The Alpha is 50% 2 >>      faster. Need speed? The choice is obvious. >1M >Compaq is not allowed to compete against Intel. Until that changes, Alpha is 5 >truly going to be relegated to a small niche market.p >i  H I wonder at all those Athlon systems that Compaq pushes so aggressively.  H Make no doubt about it, Intel is more concerned about Athlon than Alpha,G yet Compaq probably sells as many or more Athlon systems than anyone.     N >I say: Sell the digital systems (VMS, True64, Alpha, amd all the software) toL >Apple. Apple isn't affraid to market head to head against MS and Intel. The >other suitor would be Sun.t  C Apple shows no, zero, nil interest in high-end systems.  Years ago,OK when Jobs started Next, they even had him sign a non-compete that said thattK the Next boxes would only be high performance machines so as to not competePJ with their line.  Steve signed it gladly and used it as marketing. He toldF his customers that this proves that the Next boxes weren't _just_ PCs.  QJ Sun is interested in their focussed line of Solaris/Java for all computing@ needs.  I can't see why they would want to dilute their message.   >hM >Now, if Oracle were to buy the "enterprise" side of Compaq, it would be able K >to be succesful, but it would signify a HUGE change and gamble for Oracle.  >   E That wouldn't be a gamble for Oracle, it would be suicide.  They makekG their money by selling configurations for everything under the Sun, andiM everything under the IBM, and everything under the HP, well you get the idea.hF If Oracle were to come out with their own hardware line, you'd see the: other vendors getting a lot cosier with Sybase and others.  M >But think baout how VMS would become THE platform of choice for all types ofe: >servers and benefit from all of Oracle's advertising etc. >aM >Oracle would then be competing head to head against IBM-DB2, Wintel-SQL etc.cN >The big question is whether sales of Oracle on other platforms would dwindle.< >But Oracle could do serious harm to both SUN and Microsoft.   -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:23:53 -0500b- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutiona, Message-ID: <3A65F147.BE0C0E4B@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote:oG > Koepf says they serve different markets but goes on to say that Alphao# > technology is driving the future.e  N Yep, Compaq pays for the development of the CPU science though its pet projectL Alpha, and then Intel and all the others actually make use of that knowledge) to build chips that they market and sell.i  J In the end, Compaq is happy because Intel turns out faster Wintel chips soM Compaq can sell faster PCs. And the faster Intel ups the MHz of its 8086, the1I quicker computers start to look outdated and slow and thus the more oftenB people/companies upgrade.O  L So, one could argue that Alpha is used to drive PC sales up. :-) :-) :-) :-)  J (All this to say that the "driving the future" is a meaningless sentence.)  % > This could easily be read as the PC-H > as we know it (WIndows) has a finite life span in front of it and thatE > Compaq intend to drive the Alpha processor into the market from then > top end down  L 1- Do not underestimate the power of Intel. That they were able to take thatL tiny old game controller chip the 8086 and turn it into a 16 bit and then 32E bit machine that rivals Alpha and control the majority of the world'sdK computers is a huge accomplishement, even if they stole knowledge to get it,I done. The 8086 has been written off for a very long time, yet Intel keepstN upping the ante and it is now the Alpha that is trying to catch up to the 8086W at least in public perception due to the 8086 now available in much higher MHZ ratings.   J 2-If Compaq wanted to make Alpha an industry leading and industry standardG component, then Compaq's "industry standard" group would be selling anduD marketing Alpha based servers instead of 32 processor wintel boxes.   K And if Compaq can't even convince its own "industry standard" department of:N the value of Alpha, then how can it have any credibility when it predicts that" Alpha will become more prominent ?  7 >  rather than the failed DEC push of all things to all  > men.  M It wasn't the all things to all men that failed, it was "we're so much betteraI than PCs that we don't have to compete against PCs" that killed the idea.0J Remember that Windows has no problems stating that it is all things to allG men, so anyone in the computing field must see windows as a competitor.a    C > Alpha Linux, Hobby VMS and T64 could well be seen as a calculated  > foothold in the low end.  M My gut feeling is that Hobby VMS was not a strategic decision but rather "how8E can we get those pesky DECUS ultra loyal VMS fans to shut up" type ofeK decision. It is thanks to those volunteers who fought hard and long for thesK Hobby programme that we have Hobby VMS, not due to some strategic decision.tG (And I beleive DECUS Australia had pionneered the concept with PDP-11).f  F > I don't think we can get away from the fact that Compaq has to speakF > in riddles until it's a bit more confident of where the future lies.  H But it is exactly because of the riddles that Compaq has no credibility.M Compaq should have the might and power to be a leader, not a shy follower. IfeD Compaq doesn't take the lead, then the others will, even if it meansN installing 160 8086 DELL PCs to run your web site. If Dell is allowed to lead,N then its marketing will be good enough to brainwash the pointy haired managers1 that 160 PCs for a Web site is the best solution.e  G > DEC assumed the future was NT everywhere. That's now highly unlikely.   N DEC refused to allow VMS to compete against NT. It assumed that the combat was1 over and VMS dead before the combat ever started.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:56:35 GMTc  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionl8 Message-ID: <9qk96tsknt57h81k7egeel5r1hg0bc39g7@4ax.com>  3 On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:55:08 +0000, andrew harrisonr! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:i     >o! >Wow, back to the school yard !!!s >,# >How about responding to my points.n >a  = Hoo, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!f   <whew!>c  F Sorry, the very *thought* that AH would tell *other* people to respond? directly to his points is just too  hilarious for mere words toB express.   Pot... Kettle... etc.n  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqd- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:59:40 -0600a7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>a= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution - Message-ID: <3A665C1C.9B326F73@earthlink.net>e   andrew harrison wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >u > > andrew harrison wrote: > > >S  > > > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > > > >h > > > > andrew harrison wrote: > > > > > [snip]? > > > > > Don't you think that deeds speek rather more strongly) > > > > > than words. 	 > > > > >  > > > > > regards  > > > > > Andrew Harrison/! > > > > > Enterprise IT Architecti > > > > 0 > > > > Remember, folks: Andrew said it HIMSELF! > > > >e' > > > > ...and you heard it here first!w > > > >w > > >f2 > > > I take this reponse as an admission that you > > > lost the argument. > >. > > Wrong - as usual!k > >  > " > Wow, back to the school yard !!! > $ > How about responding to my points.  + Sure ... as soon as you make one (or more).o   -- / David J. Dachterag dba DJE Systemsy http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.>   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:11:29 GMTu% From: "Big and Bad" <byteme@hard.com> A Subject: Re: dec-axpvms-vms721_fibrechan-v0300--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexeo= Message-ID: <lhs96.314863$_5.71229739@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>g  D Thanks , did download that, the problem I am seeing is that VMS does  L > not see the drives, I had another read of the Docs  I did not give the CCL an identifier.   >   D > What was happening is that once VMS starts booting, I keep getting  I > "PLOGI......... Connection table on Storage device might be full" error   F > messages. That was not the case, I only have 18 entries in the HSG80   > table.   >   C > If setting the CCL gets this going, great, otherwise, I am stuck,        Thanks,    Kevin F.  @ "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> wrote in messageH news:F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116C397@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net... > The kit to be installed is:  > ' > dec-axpvms-vms721_fibre_scsi-v0200--4  >  > From: 5 > ftp://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1  > G > This contains all the latest PG/DG drivers and fibre stuff like that.  It'sL > a combo of alpscsi and fibrechan.  The release notes do say this is better > than fibre-300 >  > -----Original Message-----, > From: Big and Bad [mailto:byteme@hard.com]* > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 10:01 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ? > Subject: dec-axpvms-vms721_fibrechan-v0300--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexe  >  > G > Where can I find this.. It is posted in several doc on the compaq web  site, E > but when you go to the FTP site it is not there.. Can anyone help.?  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:59:44 GMT ( From: "St. Suika Roberts" <ssfr@unm.edu>. Subject: Does anyone have a spare VMS doc kit?/ Message-ID: <m27l3va0mx.fsf@miyuki.genom.co.jp>   E I'm looking for a full retired/spare VMS doc. kit, either hardcopy or > cdrom, for just about any recent version, but preferably v6.1.  E I'm perfectly willing to pay shipping and handling, and know that the 0 grey wall tends to weigh about a hundred pounds.   Thanks,  	Suika (Albuquerque, NM, USA)  --     ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2001 21:14:05 -07000 From: ssfr@unm.edu (St. Suika Fenderson Roberts). Subject: Does anyone have a spare VMS doc kit?' Message-ID: <945qid$4lvq@mirac.unm.edu>   M I'm looking for a full retired/spare VMS doc. kit, preferably hardcopy, but   M cdrom is fine, for just about any recent version, however v6.1 is preferable.   E I'm perfectly willing to pay shipping and handling, and know that the 0 grey wall tends to weigh about a hundred pounds.   Thanks, D 	Suika (Albuquerque, NM, USA)(And they've changed the colors since I last saw one, but . . . )  -- 			     ssfr@unm.edu6 	``Literature is the lie that tells the truth . . . '' 							--Dorothy Allison<       <A HREF="http://www.unm.edu/~ssfr/">Suika no pe-ji</A>   --   			     ssfr@unm.edu6 	``Literature is the lie that tells the truth . . . '' 							--Dorothy Allison<       <A HREF="http://www.unm.edu/~ssfr/">Suika no pe-ji</A>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:27:52 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 4 Subject: Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry....., Message-ID: <3A65F235.EE6DF30D@videotron.ca>   Nigel Arnot wrote:G > lines). Political dynamics of a takeover made it near-inevitable that J > Compaq's pre-existing systems would be adopted, and Digital's abandoned.  K In many cases, Digital had many systems which Compaq had none of. I beleive L customer tracking and license management is one example. And since Digital'sJ support organisation was HUGE compared to Compaq's then Compaq should haveD kept the service organisation's systems because they worked. This isH especially true of the service organisation since this is THE thing that& Compaq wanted out of the digital mess.  I > At that time, Compaq probably bought the Palmer line about VMS, so it's B > unlikely that there was even any discussion of technical merits.  M True. But if you have something that does the job and works well, do you need  to change it ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:55:33 -0500 , From: "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com>4 Subject: Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry.....& Message-ID: <3A65F8B5.EF2465B@GCE.com>  = Compaq should not (and will not) do such a thing while saying A "we couldn't get a PC solution to work". The way to approach such A a conversion is to loudly proclaim "we liked the PC solution, but @ our VMS solution is far more stable/secure/etc. so we switched."  > Or just say "we wanted a superlatively stable/secure solution,  which we got by moving to VMS".   A There is no implication in this that there is anything wrong with ? their ability, or with the PC solution. There is one, and would ? deserve to be, that a VMS solution that required the stability/  security was a better one.  ? As long as this gets publicized properly at first, folks coming B along after the fact to try to spin it otherwise are talking about% old news, which tends to get ignored.    Glenn Everhart  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:  > K > And also a real big bit of bad publicity for the PC company that couldn't J > even tune their own systems so that the performance of the Windows basedJ > system was acceptable.  Never mind the fact that it migrated back to theL > old reliable OpenVMS on Alpha hardware, just look at the fact they screwed > it up and had to back out. > K > That's worse than keeping with the Windows stuff as far as Joe Public, IT ( > Manager to the Stars is concerned..... > E > Nigel Arnot (sysmgr at maxwell dot ph dot kcl dot ac dot uk) wrote: K > >>>But it's a good point to make, that if Compaq wanted to tell the world J > that VMS is defintely here to stay, a very good way to do it would be toK > migrate a mission-critical internal system from NT to VMS, or even better E > *back* from NT to VMS, and then tell the world that they'd done it. B > Almost-free advertising, a better service to all their customersH > (including the Intel ones), and a very strong message to send to folksH > within Compaq who are still locked in a PC-company mindset, as well as > to customers.<<<   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jan 2001 16:03:15 PSTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)4 Subject: Re: Don't know whether to laugh or cry.....3 Message-ID: <NvomvxW0wTMp@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   9 In article <sbl66ts5d5ea6m039m6agdna890uf81v2j@4ax.com>,  2     	Ray Swadling <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk> writes: [...] G > So there we are.....even Compaq is migrating working software off VMS @ > onto Windows even though the result has poor performance. On aH > customer-facing product as well where the performance shortcomings are( > visible to anyone logging fault calls.  H         Note that at the Compaq Listens  panel at CETS2000, the CustomerH     Support  VP got more flack than anyone else.  They've really screwedH     things up.  Sad thing is, the VP  didn't  have  a  clue  there  wereH     problems!   Apparently  (from  talking with customers), the problemsH     never get reported  up  the  command  hierarchy,  a  sure recipe for     trouble!  H > Why not enhance the VMS product and let everyone know what its running? > on when they log a call. You know "Welcome to Compaq Customer B > Service....Running on OpenVMS 7 days a week and 24 hours a day."  G         Someone ought to send this along to Rich Marcello and cc: it to /     whoever is in charge of Customer Support...            -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2001 18:29:16 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)> Subject: Re: Error: DECnet address is not Equal to SCSSYSTEMID+ Message-ID: <tSPXcmEGmOlT@eisner.decus.org>   + In article <3A65DCB3.8020601@arcormail.de>, 5  "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli#arcormail.de> writes: & > Well, the SCSSYSTEMID must be set to! > DECnetgroup * 1024 + DECnetnode   ; > for example a DECnet node 28.172 must have a SCSNODEID of 1 > 28*1024+172 = 28844. This should be placed into 4 > SYS$SYTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT and an AUTOGEN should run.4 > After rebooting the system everything should work.  % No, that will not always be the case.s  % See section MGMT9 in the OpenVMS FAQ:d  =   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#MGMT9p  B If the system is a member of a VMSCLUSTER, then the entire cluster> will need to be rebooted before the system you changed will be allowed to rejoin it.e  D Also all print and batch queues that are owned by that node will not1 work as they reference the old SCSSYSTEMID value.e  C In addition to batch and print queues that are setup manually, thisvB can also include queues that are used by various layered products.  E You will want to do a SHOW QUEUE/FULL/ALL/out=QUEUE.LIST to save whatr5 jobs and such are in use before you do the procedure.m  C After you reboot, you will have to delete the old queues and create.5 new queues, and then replace all of the pending jobs.d  A I would strongly recommend preparing a command procedure that cany> replace any standard batch jobs that are needed for your site.   >l > sfm1115#bjc.org wrote: >cE >> I am getting an error I never noticed before on one of my servers:u >>= >> DECnet address (*****) is not equal to SCSSYSTEMID (*****)t >>H >> Should I change the DECnet address or the System ID?  If so, how do I >> go about doing this?   D As always, the first step is to make sure that you have a good image6 backup of the system disk before trying something new.   -Johno wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:50:31 -0600t+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> " Subject: EUREX and CBOT New SystemN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284C35@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>  G Well, I suspect by the lack of replies that the following may have been-H missed in the earlier thread about the OpenVMS Times being available ...  H Anyway, for those familiar with the financial markets - I'll repost this with a new thread header.    Regards,   ++++  H For those that might not have yet had a chance to read the OpenVMS timesL yet, there is an article on Eurex and the Chicago Board of Trades (CBOT) new (yes, NEW) system. d  D Something to consider for the folks who work in the finance markets.  7 Check it out in the latest OpenVMS times pointer below. 7 <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvmstimes/index.html>   L "THE CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE AND EUREX 'S JOINT VENTURE A/C/E LAUNCHES COMPAQ) OPENVMS-BASED ELECTRONIC TRADING PLATFORMz  L On 28 August 2000,the Chicago Board of Trade (CBOT) and Eurex announced thatD their joint venture, a/c/e - alliance/ cbot/eurex,launched their newJ electronic trading platform which runs on Compaq OpenVMS based AlphaServerI systems at its core. This new platform is identical to the platform Eurexl) currently operates in Frankfurt,Germany."o  ? [snip .. see OpenVMS times for more info.. pointer in attached]   2 The Eurex and CBOT press releases can be found at:G <http://www.cbot.com/cbot/www/cont_detail/0,1493,11+24+108+863,00.html> L <http://www.eurexchange.com/index2.html?eh&3&1&entrancehall/news_pressreleas es_69_en.html>   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660m Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----: From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam] Sent: January 17, 2001 8:30 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt& Subject: New OpenVMS Times now on line    J Please note that the latest issue of OpenVMS Times is now available on theK OpenVMS website.  This newsletter is in pdf format and will be available int HTML.d  5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvmstimes/index.htmle  
 Best Regards,3
 Sue Skonetskit editor   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2001 00:17:13 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) Subject: Expanding the niche+ Message-ID: <7aQmCdYbmXqz@eisner.decus.org>o  \ In article <3A6667CC.AD9A1F9D@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Terry Kennedy wrote:M >>   What Compaq doesn't seem to "get" is that it isn't the percentage of VMSaP >> users who want the software, it's getting VMS listed on the download pages of. >> as many major software vendors as possible. > I > Well said. But that would mean making VMS a mainstream product which isyL > something Comapq doesn't seem interested in. It seems happy with VMS being > relegated to a market niche.  
 	Surprise!  2 	The niche is called Enterprise and shows up here:   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  : 	Sure there are other uses for it just as there are others@ 	that bend OS/400 outside of its box on occasion ... but I would? 	suspect the vast majority falls in the Enterprise niche.  LastCB 	I checked Mico$oft products had a pretty big desktop niche.  Tell; 	us how you would have VMS grow out of or expand its niche.   0 			-  Pick a market segment VMS should or would  				flourish in.  ) 			-  Give an overview of the competitiont  5 			-  Detail why VMS should invade this niche and howg. 				to encourage ISVs to port to VMS to invade 				said niche  3 			-  Detail how existing or new customers would bea, 				swayed to choose a VMS solution for this	 				niche   B 	I have one good idea (my opinion) but would have to spend time to 	answer my own bullets.    	You go first.   				RobW   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:25:49 GMTe' From: nickerson@pundit.ds.boeing.com ()e Subject: Re: Ghostscript v6.50( Message-ID: <G79vF1.Gvr@news.boeing.com>  	 hi rick, d  E I too have been trying to get this to fly; right now I have VMS 7.2-1 G Alpha and DECC 6.2-008; I could use the openvms.mak makefile with gmakeuF but not mms; mms blows up fairly quickly and giving it a target startsF you off with sysntax errors; looked at your bug report and see you are8 using mmk so maybe going with gmake might be a solution;  = In article <3A5C92FC.383FEE4C@uiowa.edu>, "Richard L. Dyson" o <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes:I |>Has anyone compiled the new Aladdin Ghostscript v6.50 on OpenVMS/Alpha?! |>F |>I am finding it is having trouble finding a [.lib]...PS file that isD |>present, but the config/make rules must be wrong.  Since the buildE |>process is so incredibly complex, I have not been able to determinen |>where the problem lies.   C currently I have an executable but it is doing ACCVIO in ILMAIN at  D call to gs_main_instance_default; so I now need to start looking at B my environment; I'm not clear on what the GS_LIB and GS_DOC shouldF point to; also can they be used as logical names or must they resolve  at build time;  F don't you love that make process; I can get most of the stuff compiledC with a command file but their genconf is way crazy and only lookingw1 at a log clues you in at all on what's happening;   I |>I have posted a bug report to the sourceforge group, but since it seems F |>to be localized to OpenVMS, I don't expect much of a quick response.   I'll be trying on VAX 7.2 next;    thanks,  --bn (Bart Nickerson)I nickerson@pundit.ds.boeing.com (206) 662-0183  
 |>Regards, |>Rick |>--  J |>Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduJ |> _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/J |>| | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879J |>| | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17538 |>| \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy/ |> \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479  |>   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2001 21:20:24 -07000 From: ssfr@unm.edu (St. Suika Fenderson Roberts)- Subject: Hobbyist VMS support for VS 4000 VLCa' Message-ID: <945qu8$90je@mirac.unm.edu>u  G I've a cute little 4000 VLC, and two hobbyist media kits (DFWLUG002 and-F DFW003).  She has 24MB of digital-badged 4MB simms, a 1.7GB micropolis- drive, and an IBM firmwared RRD43 equivalent.h  E v5.5 restored off the first disk goes into a loop trying to mount the. system disk.0 v6.1 restored off that same disk is quite happy.  H The second disk boots, but attempting to restore v7.2 causes a cpu checkE somewhere, and gives a nice crash dump. (since I'm using the built ineC graphics as the terminal, the message disappears too fast for me to.E read, and my proper terminal bits are all elsewhere, for the moment.)g  B Using backup off the first disk to restore v7.2 off the second (in@ another IBM rrd43) gives a few `unknown record type' errors, but6 completes successfully.  VMS then crashes on start-up.  H Where would I find some idea of what hardware's supposed to be supported@ by each version, so that I can know if my problems are bitrot or something else?s   Thanks,e
         Suika_ -- 			     ssfr@unm.edu6 	``Literature is the lie that tells the truth . . . '' 							--Dorothy Allison<       <A HREF="http://www.unm.edu/~ssfr/">Suika no pe-ji</A>   --   			     ssfr@unm.edu6 	``Literature is the lie that tells the truth . . . '' 							--Dorothy Allison<       <A HREF="http://www.unm.edu/~ssfr/">Suika no pe-ji</A>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:54:54 -0500.4 From: "Craig D. Lansing (root)" <lansing@beldar.com>! Subject: Re: HP-9000 to DECServera* Message-ID: <3A665AFE.720F0466@beldar.com>  V > I've had a little experience with HP's DTC equipment in the past.  A former employerT > of mine hired me for OpenVMS system administration work and failed to tell me thatU > they were eliminating their VAX systems and replacing with HP 3000 systems [runningiS > MPE/ix].  I took a few classes on the 3000's and then promptly bugged out of thatdT > place to keep working with OpenVMS.  Anyway, the DTCs typically use a non-routableW > network protocol called PROBE that is similar to DEC's LAT protocol.  I'm not sure ifhJ > HP-UX speaks PROBE, too, or if the DTCs also can communicate via TCP/IP. >u  S I know what you mean about the HP3K's and MPE... I've done that for many years too.-X Anyway, all of our DTCs are now bootp devices using "generic" TCP/IP... nothing special.       >iV > Can you clarify what the "ocd/ddfa" software does?  Does it emulate a serial port onW > the host operating system [e.g. makes a device available under "/dev"], or does it do U > some other network-based communications w/o presenting a pseudo-device of some sort  > to HP-UX?  >r  X The ocd daemons fall into your first description.  They simply make the device connectedS to the DTC, which is accessed via TCP/IP, look like any other "hardwired" /dev/tty*mW file.  They work surprisingly well and we use them everywhere that we still need serial  connections.     >wR > If you can speak TCP/IP from the HP-UX system, for this application specificallyQ > [since HP-UX obviously speaks TCP/IP in general], then you can use a DS700 or at= > DS90M.  I'm not sure what a DS900 is - I've never seen one.- >-  V Our response from HP while it did not say specifically that they would not support theU DECServers was sketchy enough to make me leary of trying it.  My plan was to use yourEU null modem scenario so that I didn't need the DTC at all, but we are going to play itm safe and gon  E HP9K <--> TCP/IP <--> DTC <-- RJ45 --> DECServer <-- >LAT <--> Alpha.i  A With the Alpha as the bootp server for the DECServer most likely.p  X We may actually put DB-25s on the ends of 2 RJ45s to that we can hook them to our rather& old data scopes, but you get the idea.    W BTW, from what I was told, the difference in the DECserver models was just 8, 16, or 32a ports.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:58:40 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: LED error codes for Alpha 3400 ?eL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1701012258400001@user-2ivebap.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <944j94$5ai$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trevor_deja@my-deja.com wrote:   > Hi > I > Is there online anywhere, a list (with a description of the problem) of E > the error codes displayed by the rear panel LED's for an Alpha 3000C > model 400.  Ta >   0 This is the DEC 3000 System Programmer's Manual:  ? ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/dec-docs/ek-d3sys-pm.ps.gzu   It has _some_ of the LED codes (table 47 for this machine).  Chapter 14 describes the power-up sequence in quite a bit of detail.l  M This is NOT the service manual, which I would really like to find/beg/borrow.   The LEDs are intended to help isolate problems that occur so early they keep the console from communicating with the operator.  If you can get as far a the console prompt, you likely don't need the LED codes.  Are you sure you have your console set up correctly?  o When in console mode, a healthy DEC 3000 keeps some of the LEDs on.  When you boot VMS, they should all go off.r    Other possibly interesting URLs:8 ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/dec-docs/index.htmlB http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.html   -- q Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comi   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:51:43 -0600 (CST)y From: sms@antinode.org6 Subject: Looking for SGET or WGET for VMS with TCPWare) Message-ID: <01011712514371@antinode.org>t  - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>t  A > Does anyone have a copy of SGET or WGET (I do not know what thehG >difference is if anyone out there can fill me in) for VMS (VAX or AXP)  >with TCPWare?      I know nothing of SGET.   >  I found a copy of WGET atG >http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/htbin/software_list.cgi?package=wget-1_5eB >_3d but it was Multinet specific. I also found references in DejaC >about a copy of WGET on a FTp site but I could not get to the siteo >yesterday or today.       I believe that you got to it:  E 16-JAN-2001 14:18:53.84 User:anonymous logged in ident:IE40user@ from   Host:st30154.stelco.ca,F 16-JAN-2001 14:18:56.88 User:anonymous ident:IE40user@ status:000184C4$  CWD dir:WGET:[wget-1_5_3_vms.zip].;A 16-JAN-2001 14:32:11.01 User:anonymous ident:IE40user@ logged out   4    However, as it says (when you try a simpler URL):  9    Using Microsoft Internet Explorer and having problems?LA    Try using a better FTP client.  Netscape Navigator works well.   G IE can't cope with the VMS DIRECTORY listing format, so it can't figurewG out how to ask for a directory or file which exists.  Sadly, if you tryuH a fancier URL than "ftp://ftp.antinode.org", you may not even get to see	 the hint.t  G    I'd switch to an FTP server with a Unix-style DIR listing, but I getWF a sort of perverse pleasure from these entries in the FTP server log. / The things IE tries can be pretty entertaining.m  C    I don't know if this Wget will work with TCPWare, but if you can > build it for TCPIP, the emulation may do the job.  Any TCPWare- compatibility suggestions would be tolerated.v  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)rC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work),G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)n9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:33:49 -0500 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>o: Subject: Re: Looking for SGET or WGET for VMS with TCPWare4 Message-ID: <Wtm96.121039$Z2.1450846@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  # <sms@antinode.org> wrote in messagei# news:01011712514371@antinode.org...@/ > From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>  >...B > IE can't cope with the VMS DIRECTORY listing format, so it can't figureE > out how to ask for a directory or file which exists.  Sadly, if you- try-F > a fancier URL than "ftp://ftp.antinode.org", you may not even get to see. > the hint.- >...  F Thanks. I used a command line FTP client and all is well. IE just toldA me it could not find hte server when I tried yesterday and today.i  E WGET seems to (after one simple try) work fine with TCPWare on an AXP  machine.   --   RULES OF THE AIR   -----------------H?  #15. There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing.E/       Unfortunately no one knows what they are.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:03:14 -05001- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 3 Subject: Re: Mail and attathments on OpenVMS to dos , Message-ID: <3A65EC72.2A986C6F@videotron.ca>   Phillip du Plooy wrote:l >  > Hallo, > N > I got it to work! I can now mail a txt mail attachment from OpenVMS 7.2 (DECI > Alpha 2100 ) using multinet 4.3 to Novell Groupwise. With the followingt > steps:! > $ edit p.txt ! tik die boodskapt+ > $ SET FILE p.txt /ATTR=(RFM:STMLF,RAT:CR)o  K This is actually wrong. By default, edit creates files with variable lengthdM records. the SET FILE command tricks the system into thinking your file is inoJ stream LF. As a result, the control blocks that are normally hidden becomeL visible and your file now contains extra "junk" characters before each line.  > To do the proper job, you would need to use something such as:" $CONVERT p.txt p.txt/FDL=SYS$INPUT RECORD    CARRIAGE_CONTROL   CR    FORMAT             stream_LF. <ctrl-z>  I This will create a new file without any of the control blocks. (I haven'tp tested the above syntax)     > $ mpack -o p.txt p.txt  @ If you are at VMS 7.2 and above, you can use the built-in tool : $MC MIME  J In there, you can create a mime "container" file which can include various files of various formats.*K I beleive that MIME is smart enough to take a standard text file in VMS andrM turn it into a standard internet text file (which would remove the need to dot the CONVERT bit).   M > One thing I have a problem with is: how do you put something in the messagee > part of the mail?    MC MIMEn MIME> NEW message.txtn  A This bring up the editor where you enter the text of the message :* once done,  back at the MIME> prompt, you  ADD attachement1.txt ADD attachement2.binaryt SAVE s  F You can then send the message file in the same way you sent it in your example.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:45:29 +1300i9 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz>e  Subject: mail server suggestions. Message-ID: <iap96.129$ce.2691@ozemail.com.au>  6 What do people in business use for their mail servers?      * I am looking at implementing a new system.  5 I am guessing that people currently use Exchange from   0 Microsoft, send mail on unix, tcpip mail on VMS.       Suggested sites for research?   , I would like to be able to do the following:  E 1 Read my email from a web page in a cybercafe anywhere in the world.o  J 2 Have email so that users can set up forwards and auto reaplys from a web   browserU  ! 3 Hardware redundancey protectionE  4 4 Read email via a pop client anywhere in the world.      ; Probably some other things, but that should do for a start.    cheers       antony   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:43:26 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s$ Subject: Re: mail server suggestions+ Message-ID: <3A666656.E6E9F9D@videotron.ca>    Antony Wardle wrote:G > 1 Read my email from a web page in a cybercafe anywhere in the world.uL > 2 Have email so that users can set up forwards and auto reaplys from a web	 > browser,# > 3 Hardware redundancey protection/6 > 4 Read email via a pop client anywhere in the world.    N ALLIN1 (Office Server) has all of the above, however, it doesn't have a directN link to the SMTP server, you need to buy either PMDF or something like Message1 Router. (a big drawback of ALLIN1 in my opinion).s  K The next possible one is PMDF, but I am not sure they have a web interface.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:59:20 +0000s4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>& Subject: Re: Misbehaving Seagate drive8 Message-ID: <9jqb6tgiavhl9cl4q4s1es4ldjm3moc2g6@4ax.com>  C On 17 Jan 2001 15:26:41 +0100, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)s wrote:  p >In article <emhp5t0fqqv21r6jntgrnieoqecb5qmm56@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> writes:I >>Sorry to inflict yet another of these "my non-Decpaq disk doesn't work"  >>incident reports on everyone,d >>(snipped) N >I recommend V7, too. V6 and early V7 versions were not so tolerant to Non-DECI >disks (they insisted really on features a disk should have when it tells"  >it have - but in fact has not). >MG >Better go to V7.2-1 (or maybe V7.2-1H1 if you have newer hardware too)a6 >and forget V7.2 (or any other versions before V7.1-2)  E 7.2 wouldn't touch it.  I had several emails (thanks to everyone) andwC the problem turned out to be the infamous "tagged command queueing"pH feature.  I patched DKDRIVER to disable this for generic SCSI disks, butG not before having to locate the most recent ALPSCSI* ECO.  Somewhere inoF the history of this patch kit, the SCSI driver actually started to payA attention to the "please don't use TCQ" bit.  In other words, yout  couldn't disable it before then.  G On Vax 6.2, tagged command queueing wasn't enabled anyway (although youoF will find documentation referring to it at that release level), so the drive worked "out of the box".   	Johnh -- o
 John Laird   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:43:01 -0600l/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>o* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line3 Message-ID: <3A6603D5.306E98D3@applied-synergy.com>o   "D.Webb" wrote:	 > ~ > In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284C2D@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes: > >Paul, > > 9 > >>>> IE, unreadable or near unreadable on VMS/Vax...<<<- > > K > >There is a native OpenVMS PDF Reader available from Applied Synergy Inc.( > >u > >See attached. > >v > >Regards,- > >G > I > But at $200 per unit (special introductory offer $150 per unit) I won'tt > be using this product. > A > $200 per concurrently open PDF file on VMS as against $0 per PCw > > > If you have any PC's around then that has to be a nobrainer.      G It is a no brainer if you feel that there is ZERO value in having a PDFyG Viewer on VMS.  In that case, why do you complain about not having one?t  E If there is value in having a PDF Viewer on VMS, what is that value? w! (Please provide a dollar amount.)e  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------i$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com S   Fax: 817-237-3074c   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jan 2001 21:31:28 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line3 Message-ID: <9452vg$vkq$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>n  N In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284C2D@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>,. 	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes: > Paul,m > 7 >>>> IE, unreadable or near unreadable on VMS/Vax...<<<a > J > There is a native OpenVMS PDF Reader available from Applied Synergy Inc. >  [snip] > G > This is a native VMS application supporting the latest PDF specs.  ItiJ > requires OpenVMS Alpha V6.1 or later and DECwindows Motif V1.1 or later.  % It doesn't help with VMS/Vax, though.o   Briant   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2001 17:31:35 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)m* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line+ Message-ID: <lFugt44xRNr2@eisner.decus.org>   e In article <3A6603D5.306E98D3@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:o > "D.Webb" wrote:  >>   >> In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284C2D@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes: 	 >> >Paul,  >> >: >> >>>> IE, unreadable or near unreadable on VMS/Vax...<<< >> >L >> >There is a native OpenVMS PDF Reader available from Applied Synergy Inc. >> > >> >See attached.  >> > >> >Regards, >> > >> oJ >> But at $200 per unit (special introductory offer $150 per unit) I won't >> be using this product.  >> aB >> $200 per concurrently open PDF file on VMS as against $0 per PC >> 3? >> If you have any PC's around then that has to be a nobrainer.  >  >  > I > It is a no brainer if you feel that there is ZERO value in having a PDF I > Viewer on VMS.  In that case, why do you complain about not having one?   D I am waiting for availability of media distribution of this product.  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2001 06:13:14 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line- Message-ID: <87k87tg745.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  1 Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:L   <snip>I > It is a no brainer if you feel that there is ZERO value in having a PDFhI > Viewer on VMS.  In that case, why do you complain about not having one?  > G > If there is value in having a PDF Viewer on VMS, what is that value? o# > (Please provide a dollar amount.):  ; Chris, I was not having a go at your viewer, or it's price.O  @ But having VMS docs in the most VMS hostile format is just plain fuck-headed and agrevating.(*)  B What you have done is reduced the agrevation. And, I suspect KerryD and others have passed the message on to the same people who run the2 web-site black-hole, with the same lack of effect.    > * WEll, perhaps not the most hostile. Should we give thanks it isn't a turd, or IBM RDF file!   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:03:19 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)a* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line0 Message-ID: <009F6440.9E3ACBA2@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <87k87tg745.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:2 >Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes: >  ><snip>tJ >> It is a no brainer if you feel that there is ZERO value in having a PDFJ >> Viewer on VMS.  In that case, why do you complain about not having one? >> eH >> If there is value in having a PDF Viewer on VMS, what is that value? $ >> (Please provide a dollar amount.) >n< >Chris, I was not having a go at your viewer, or it's price. >lA >But having VMS docs in the most VMS hostile format is just plaine >fuck-headed and agrevating.(*)e >mC >What you have done is reduced the agrevation. And, I suspect KerryaE >and others have passed the message on to the same people who run the 3 >web-site black-hole, with the same lack of effect.  >d >a? >* WEll, perhaps not the most hostile. Should we give thanks itt >isn't a turd, or IBM RDF file!r >s >-- = >Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,a8 >+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.A >                                             West Australia 6076e/ >Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.o    G Paul, would having it in postscript be an option for you?  I'm all withnH you when it comes to the hostile formats but I don't want to debate thatC here and now, I would just like to help you to view the OVMS Times.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa            vO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.t   ------------------------------   Date: 17 JAN 2001 23:07:47 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line6 Message-ID: <17JAN01.23074755@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  H Sue, those "Did you know..." items salted throughout the "OpenVMS Times"G are very informative. Might they all be available in a bulk collection?e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:58:27 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line' Message-ID: <G7BzxF.G4L@spcuna.spc.edu>v  5 Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> writes: L > Please note that the latest issue of OpenVMS Times is now available on theM > OpenVMS website.  This newsletter is in pdf format and will be available inn > HTML.s >(7 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvmstimes/index.htmli  J   This isn't a "shoot the messenger" or even [much] of a dig at the Times,6 but just a suggestion for the dating of future issues.  D   Announcing a "latest issue" on January 17th with a "cover" date ofD "October-December 2000" and the opening sentence of the lead article< saing "It's said that timing is everything." is sort of odd.  C   Perhaps future issues could have a "cover" date matching the ann-vC ouncement date, or if there's a delay getting it from the [virtual]rF paste-up folks to the web (if it really was available in October 2000) that could be addressed.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAe   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:15:18 GMTt( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line' Message-ID: <G7C0pI.ILz@spcuna.spc.edu>e  1 Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:rI > It is a no brainer if you feel that there is ZERO value in having a PDF I > Viewer on VMS.  In that case, why do you complain about not having one?  > G > If there is value in having a PDF Viewer on VMS, what is that value? n# > (Please provide a dollar amount.).  I   I'm not one of those "all software must be free" folks, so I do believe/E that authors (such as yourself) should be compensated for their work.m  E   The problem I have is that Adobe implies that they have PDF readers I available for "all major computer platforms" (direct quote from the Adobe'E page at http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readermain.html). Those  platforms currently include:      Mac OS   Windows 95   Windows 98   Windows NT   Windows 3.1x   OS/2 Warp b  UNIX: DEC Alpha t
  UNIX: HP-UX R  UNIX: IBM AIX  
  UNIX: Linux o  UNIX: SGI IRIX   UNIX: Sun Solaris x86 b  UNIX: Sun Solaris SPARC t  N (again from Adobe: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/acrr_platforms.html).J Their download page also lists Windows 2000, but we'll call that a variant" of Windows and not a new platform.  J   The requirement seems to be "any sort of workstation with graphics". ButL VMS isn't on there, and Compaq seems unwilling to lobby Adobe to solve that.M So not having Acrobat Reader on VMS reinforces the impression that VMS is notcL a "major computer platform". Likewise for other software like Netscape (yes,M I know it is in beta and all that, but for managers it means seeing it on theoM vendor's download page along with all the other "supported platforms" and not>: a back-level version stuck in the "unsupported" category).  J   What Compaq doesn't seem to "get" is that it isn't the percentage of VMSM users who want the software, it's getting VMS listed on the download pages ofsN as many major software vendors as possible. Putting a Band-Aid on the problem,M like "download the beta version from this Compaq site" or "Purchase a commer--L cial product from vendor X" doesn't solve the meta-problem, and has the sideJ effect of irritating both the customers who see the official free versionsM for other platforms, as well as the customers who don't bother to do researcheK beyond finding out that the vendors don't offer a VMS version and then give" up.e  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAy   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jan 2001 00:42:40 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line, Message-ID: <945e60$fko@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  p In article <009F6440.9E3ACBA2@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:] >In article <87k87tg745.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: 3 >>Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:s >> >><snip>K >>> It is a no brainer if you feel that there is ZERO value in having a PDF K >>> Viewer on VMS.  In that case, why do you complain about not having one?o >>> I >>> If there is value in having a PDF Viewer on VMS, what is that value? d% >>> (Please provide a dollar amount.)= >>= >>Chris, I was not having a go at your viewer, or it's price.o  J Nor I.  However, I will have a go at Compaq on this one.  Compaq failed toG pressure/pay Adobe to provide a PDF viewer for VMS.  That's par for theoI course -  they apparently think VMS doesn't need layered software (unlessvI that software runs to at least 4 figures in price or is written/supportedeK by the end users.)  Or maybe they think that that piece of crap Java based p* acrobat viewer from Adobe actually works.   E Anyway, thanks to Chris and friends, a PDF viewer falls into Compaq's I collective lap.  So, do they do the right thing, and offer to pay AppliedlJ Synergy to let them ship it with VMS and render their OTHERWISE UNREADABLEF documentation readable?  Apparently not.   I don't know how much AdobeJ wanted for an acrobat reader port (odds are Compaq never even asked) and IE don't know how much Applied Synergy would want either. But I bet that-G Applied Synergy would license it to Compaq if the terms were right, andaJ that getting the deal done with Applied Synergy would be one heck of a lot, easier and cheaper than dealing with Adobe.   F So Chris, please do us all a big favor, call Rich Marcello, and see ifH he'll pay your company for the right to ship the PDF viewer with the OS.C (I'd suggest that somebody at Compaq call you, but the odds of thatm+ happening appear to be vanishingly small.) i   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edur? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:08:55 -0800R! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.como* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on lineD Message-ID: <OF7F0FEAE2.DA010BC7-ON882569D8.00063D4F@foundation.com>  / Or, (shock, horror), on an /advert/ somewhere??e   Shane           H karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) on 01/17/2001 03:07:47 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi cc:a  + Subject:  Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line?    H Sue, those "Did you know..." items salted throughout the "OpenVMS Times"G are very informative. Might they all be available in a bulk collection?d   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jan 2001 17:16:21 PSTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line3 Message-ID: <R+DcZcXxCtgh@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>t  . In article <873deijhl3.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, 3     	Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:i9 > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> writes:e > M >> Please note that the latest issue of OpenVMS Times is now available on theeN >> OpenVMS website.  This newsletter is in pdf format and will be available in >> HTML. > 1 > IE, unreadable or near unreadable on VMS/Vax...   H         The latest release  of  XPDF,  0.92  IIRC,  does  just fine withH     this...at  least, other than the missing zapfdingbats fonts (which IH     understand are available from the ghostview/ghostscript distributionH     but I didn't go to the trouble of getting  them  and  building  them     in).  H         Now I _will_ admit that  it's  far  nicer  running XPDF on a PWSH     500au  than  on my old VAX 4000/VLC, but you can always run  pdftopsH     from the XPDF distribution  directly  on  the  PDF  file  to  get  a      printable Postscript file...  H         BTW, I found  Chris  Scheers  ASI-PDF  to  do  a better job with"     fonts, but it is Alpha-only...           -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.EduA:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:44:32 -0500a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on lineL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1701012244320001@user-2ivebap.dialup.mindspring.com>  m In article <9446jp$g9i$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> wrote:a  L > Please note that the latest issue of OpenVMS Times is now available on theM > OpenVMS website.  This newsletter is in pdf format and will be available int > HTML.t > 7 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvmstimes/index.html   iSue, this is the first I have seen the new "AlphaPowered" logo with the cat.  Do you think Compaq might print up a few zillion stickers with this logo and distribute them?  Some of us who won't be able to buy new systems for a while might like to attach the stickers to our older alpha systems.  Just to remind the nearby Wintel Zombies that we aren't beat yet.   j I promise I will never (hardly ever) paste an AlphaPowered sticker over the top of an "Idiot Inside" logo.   -- 1 Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comj   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:01:45 -05004- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line, Message-ID: <3A666A9F.2FFB20C4@videotron.ca>   David Mathog wrote:oL > Nor I.  However, I will have a go at Compaq on this one.  Compaq failed to6 > pressure/pay Adobe to provide a PDF viewer for VMS.   M Having an "official" PDF viewer on VMS would not only give VMS a better image U in the mainstream, but it would also provide VMS with a potent documention potential.s  L This means that it would be easier for 3rd parties to port their products toE VMS because they could produce the PDF documentation on any platform.t  N Bookreader is OK, but it just isn't mainstream. And PDF has most if not all ofM the Bookreader capabilities. So Compaq could just add a DECDocument output to2C PDF format and you'd have "industry standard" documentation on VMS.v2 Documentation which could be read on any platform.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:49:40 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> * Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line, Message-ID: <3A6667CC.AD9A1F9D@videotron.ca>   Terry Kennedy wrote:L >   What Compaq doesn't seem to "get" is that it isn't the percentage of VMSO > users who want the software, it's getting VMS listed on the download pages of - > as many major software vendors as possible.   G Well said. But that would mean making VMS a mainstream product which is J something Comapq doesn't seem interested in. It seems happy with VMS being relegated to a market niche.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:16:54 -0600l/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>-* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line3 Message-ID: <3A666E36.4E7F90B4@applied-synergy.com>    Brian Wheeler wrote: > P > In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284C2D@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>,7 >         "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes:i	 > > Paul,n > >s9 > >>>> IE, unreadable or near unreadable on VMS/Vax...<<<- > >-L > > There is a native OpenVMS PDF Reader available from Applied Synergy Inc. > >e > [snip] > >rI > > This is a native VMS application supporting the latest PDF specs.  IteL > > requires OpenVMS Alpha V6.1 or later and DECwindows Motif V1.1 or later. > ' > It doesn't help with VMS/Vax, though.g  D Have you put in a request for a VAX version?  I don't see you on the list.i  F If you are interested in a VAX version (and would buy it), please sendG me a note stating so.  I'm trying to see if there is enough interest to  do the port.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------h$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com t   Fax: 817-237-3074d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:16:46 -0500X- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line, Message-ID: <3A667C30.82A0BA6B@videotron.ca>  H The current version (yes, I cheated and used a macintosh to view the pdf) file), has the following "DID YOU KNOW" :m  J If you =92re the pilot of an F-22 Stealth Fighter,an astronaut flying the=  SpaceJ Shuttle, or a pilot of the new proto Eurofighter,you =92re flying with Op= enVMS .     J Since when did NASA change the Shuttle's very specialized computers to ru= n VMS=* ? Does VMS support the military 1553 bus ?  G Just because one shuttle mission had a VAX running an experiment (which.G allowed Digital to claim having the fastest commercial OS at that time)kJ doesn't give Compaq the right to brag about VMS running in the shuttle to= days	 does it ?>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:16:46 -0600h1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>i Subject: Re: Oldtimers responsef8 Message-ID: <944qrc$lbp$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  6 I heard that is was derived from "COMPAtable Quality".   Dave...h  B "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:3A64FB1D.9B3385A3@earthlink.net...  > Wayne Holland wrote:
 > > [snip]$ > > And that is how it got its name? >nI > I thought it was "Compact Quality", squashed together to make "CompaQ",e > or something like that...a >h$ > > Compaq's website speaks volumes. > = > Yeah - it says that they don't know squat about e-commerce!s >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systemsi > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. >-B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. >tH > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2001 17:19:24 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Oldtimers responses+ Message-ID: <U2lddanwlibE@eisner.decus.org>   a In article <944icq$q5q@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:n > G > Safe bet he was at least 25 years old, and more than likely, over 30.h  G No.  That's what was suprizing at the time.  Young fellow, like a freshe out.   >  > And the class was when?  '78?  >   F Would have had to been a few years before that.  Point is you can alsoD find some students somewhere who do know what they're talking about.  A Ignorance of college students is not a good measure of real life.c  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupsE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:13:21 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: Oldtimers response - Message-ID: <3A665F51.A86F05F3@earthlink.net>o   Dave Gudewicz wrote: > 8 > I heard that is was derived from "COMPAtable Quality".  , Oh, yeah! That sounds closer! Prob'ly right!   -- d David J. Dachterad dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/(  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 04:39:34 GMT,; From: "Stuart R. Fuller" <stu@c49395-a.wodhvn1.mi.home.com>  Subject: Re: Oldtimers responseh/ Message-ID: <k6p549.p65.ln@momsys.fuller.local>   ( Rob Brown <robbrown@shaw.wave.ca> wrote:    6 : Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com> wrote in articleH : <0895A83C6EA85CA8.D023B5C33D46CBB6.954901EA1AAFCC94@lp.airnews.net>... : ...uB :>  I mentioned the word VMS to a college student once and he said :> "Whats that?" h  J : That's nothing.  I called 1(800)DIGITAL recently, mentioned VMS, and got : the same response!  N VMS == "Voice Mail System", as in "I got your VMS today, and am returning your call".           Stux   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:39:26 +0000h8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>2 Subject: RE: Open VMS mail and set forward numbersL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA24011202D@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  I >Is there a way that I can easily determine if a user currently has theird email C >forwarded to another address instead of the address the universityu	 provides?e     Within mail the commandn    MAIL> SHOW FORW/USER=xxxt  I will tell you whether forwarding is in effect. Do this in a procedure ford5 all usernames on the system and you have your answer.p   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:55:20 +0000s; From: Malcolm MacArthur <malcolmm@rustic-place.demon.co.uk>e* Subject: Re: OpenVMS "reply/to" challenge.8 Message-ID: <3A6630E8.245583F8@rustic-place.demon.co.uk>   CSABA HARANGOZO wrote: > 8 > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:( > > keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com wrote: > >> > [...snip...] >  > > $ CR[0,8]=13 > > $ LF[0,8]=10& > > $ DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT REPLY.TXT > > $ REQUEST/REPLY "Yes?" > > $ OPEN/READ RTXT REPLY.TXT > > $ READ RTXT P9 > > $ READ RTXT P9 > > $ CLOSE RTXT > > $ DELETE/NOLOG REPLY.TXT;j4 > > $ RESPONSE = F$ELEM( 1, LF, F$ELEM( 1, CR, P9 )) > > $ SH SYM RESPONSEe > J > > Some will say it's not "elegant" since it uses a temp. file. So be it.  E I wrote the following bit of code for a program to send off a list of/H free backup tapes to our offsite storage people. Saved me forgetting ;-)  G The good thing about this code is, it works OK even if the operator hastG been notified more than once. The other example, as far as I could see,mF would fail if the operators had been notified more than once...? (both. lines would have %OPCOM-S-OPRNOTIF messages..)  H BTW, this is even less elegant ;-) I included some of the code around itF so you can see how I used it... as you can see there is some debuggingG WRITE SYS$OUTPUT code in there. I run it in a batch job and it's workedhE fine for months. No problem so far (touch wood :) The program handleseG WAIT (waits for an hour and asks again), QUIT (exits) and a tape number 
 sent to it...   B You can also see in there, how to make nice milti-line requests...   Hope that helps, Malcolm.     --- begin code ---G $! RESTART: if asked to wait (because tapes aren't in yet), the program  will9 $!          loop back to here, after waiting for an hour.  $ set process /priv=all 
 $ restart:5 $ assign /user sys$scratch:opcom-reply.tmp sys$outputt $! Construct OPCOM request.,
 $ req_text= -d@      f$fao("!/!/SCRATCHLIST: Supply TODAY'S tape number, WAIT if tape!/") $ req_text=req_text+ -B      f$fao("             hasn't arrived yet, or QUIT to abort.!/") $ request /reply "''req_text'"/ $ open /read infile sys$scratch:opcom-reply.tmpa $ loop:t% $   read /end=eof /err=eof infile rec 0 $   write sys$output "[",f$extract(0,17,rec),"]"2 $   if f$extra(0,17, rec) .eqs "%OPCOM-S-OPREPLY," $   then" $     write sys$output "[",rec,"]"* $! the next line contains the actal reply.@ $! (No it doesn't actually , it turns out the whole thing is one record.) $     cr[0,8]==%X0Da $     lf[0,8]==%X0Ao) $     scratch_tape=f$element(1,cr,rec)-lfi+ $     write sys$output "(",scratch_tape,")"d $     goto loop< $   else $     goto loope
 $   endif    @ $ eof: $ close /nolog infilen8 $ delete /nolog /noconfirm sys$scratch:opcom-reply.tmp;*" $ if f$type(SCRATCH_TAPE) .eqs. "" $ then n@ $   request "Error occurred, fax list manually & check log file" $   exit $ else [... rest of code...]r   > K >         One could use PIPE ( and therefore SYS$PIPE ), and voila, no temp > >         file. Of course, older VMS versions don't have this. > J > > Just remember to delete the temp. file before getting another response8 > > because it will be appended to if it already exists. > / >                         Cheers,         Csabae > K >    ----------------------------------------------------------------------tG >    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehogrG >    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.sK >    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- = >    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:26:36 -0500,' From: Randy Hawley <rhawley@iquest.net>c6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS : solid but low profile - by CNET) Message-ID: <3A667E8C.B0611CF@iquest.net>i   Peter,  o There are more than 5 of us.  I've been reading a long time.  I get a lot of good out of this newgroup, even iffl I don't post.  My systems are so stable (since nothing is under development anymore) that reading this stuff$ actually helps me keep my skills up.  : By the way: Thanks everyone for your time and effort here.   Randy Hawley   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  n > In article <93hq9m$l9l$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes:9 > ><fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messagemI > >news:OF90C847C0.AAF96FD6-ON032569D0.0039C100@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...o; > >[some info about the demise of vms at petrobras snipped]p9 > >I suggest sending this to richard.marcello@compaq.com.g > >h! > >He is the VP in charge of VMS., > >e( > >He should be interested in this news. >e > <RANT> >-= > 1) Why are we responsible to send this news to the VMS VP ?04 >         Isn't this a job for a Q [VMS] marketeer ?D >         (I so far know only three of them [kerry, susan, warren] -( >                 are there some more ?) >o0 > 2) Why didn't you send this info to Marcello ?- >         Because you won't get paid for it ?c >) > 3) Why is this "news" ? + >         fabio told it more than once herec< >         and most likely did his company to Q (brazil), too >n: > 4) Why do you think that Q is really interested in VMS ?0 >         Only because they stopped bashing it ?C >         Or because there a now more Q readers (if I would be evil I >                 I would say now 10 instead of 5 that is 100% increase -2G >                 but, no, I'm not that bad) in this VMS USENET group ?gP >         Or because Q earns still a lot of money with VMS (and keeps surprised) >o	 > </RANT>  >  > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 > > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:31:06 -0500 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>,3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Volume Management (On the fly)h( Message-ID: <944rmj$8nh$1@pyrite.mv.net>  J Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote inJ message news:y4ely2njrf.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...+ > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:  >r: > > And is, I suspect, exactly what the Sun system allows. >4L > I thought I had said that, but apparently didn't: ...while allowing writesJ > to occur during restructuring. Doing it read-only is "easy", and AH said the 8 > volume is write-locked while the restructuring occurs.  H Whoops - never noticed that plum.  Well, it doesn't *need* to be (and itJ surprises me somewhat that it is - at least if Sun indeed it using VeritasB underpinnings, which are usually fairly competent at such things).   - bill   >  > JanA   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jan 2001 18:46:11 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)R Subject: Re: Reboot not working on AlphaStation Dec 3000 Model 300 , OpenVMS 7.2-16 Message-ID: <944p9j$joo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  V In article <944j29$4ca$1@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov>, "Zeni Schleter" <zzb@y12.doe.gov> writes: :...7.2-1...7 :...I can shutdown the system without choosing a reboot I :and the system will shutdown fine.   It will boot fine afterwards.  If IaJ :choose the reboot option , the system will shutdown and try to reboot andL :hang after giving the line about the VMS system .   I have to halt and then& :reboot.  This behavior is consistent.     I'd look at...8      o cleaning out MODPARAMS.DAT and running AUTOGEN...7      o the contents and configuration of the I/O bus...oL      o the contents and configuration and termination of the SCSI bus(es)...3      o upgrading the version of the SRM firmware...'3      o enabling the BOOT_RESET console parameter...oJ      o applying all current mandatory ECO kits for OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1...-      o analyzing the system disk structure...rL      o the contents of the system error logs, or the kernel error buffers...  H   I'd then try to force a system crashdump during the hang, and contact    support...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:47:39 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Retired Oldtimer * Message-ID: <3a6612fb$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  [ In article <93n08i$lmc$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:n >[snip]sG >be better.  VMS is not going away.  Apart from traditional areas like sH >stock exchanges, banks, health care etc, VMS is being picked up in new G >areas as well---for example, most mobile phone billing systems run on o >VMS.   " Unfortunately ours does no longer.D Because of bad company behaviour of DEC (Austria) and because of theF bad (VMS) marketing of DEC at all (and the lack of ISVs who were stillB willing to work with DEC) some years ago, we were forced to switchH over to HP (and ICL) and probably/unfortunately we'll never switch back.  L Though the costs are said to be now at 600% and the features at 60%. Sigh...   -- j< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888a< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:11:20 -0600t7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> " Subject: Re: Run .com Every 5 Min?- Message-ID: <3A665ED8.6A7AFECC@earthlink.net>e   Rob Young wrote: > G >         To get around the "version number problem" and to help manage L >         log files for frequently submitted procedures, here is a technique! >         that works well for me.3 >  [snip]  ; If the code is working well and you don't need the log, try<
 SUBMIT/NOLOG.1   -- 0 David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/b  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2001 00:07:11 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)" Subject: Re: Run .com Every 5 Min?+ Message-ID: <xKyLzAfr3J+R@eisner.decus.org>o  g In article <3A665ED8.6A7AFECC@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:p > Rob Young wrote: >> -H >>         To get around the "version number problem" and to help manageM >>         log files for frequently submitted procedures, here is a techniquen" >>         that works well for me. >> - > [snip] > = > If the code is working well and you don't need the log, tryM > SUBMIT/NOLOG.m >   : 	Sure.. but occasionally something is not right or fingers9 	point here there and everywhere and doing a quick searche: 	of the log helps sort things out.  I'm not sure if I have" 	any procedures that SUBMIT/NOLOG.   				Robf   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:46:58 GMT , From: TMcGrath@cendant.com.au (Tony McGrath) Subject: Re: Server queue 2 Message-ID: <3a66298d.6753347@news.ozemail.com.au>  @ On 17 Jan 2001 10:48:45 GMT, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:  b >In article <DId96.22839$OD.8480125@typhoon.snet.net>, "C Castiglia" <ccastiglia@snet.net> writes:C >>Dumb question:  What is a "server queue" and what tool is used to  >>create/manage one? >bP >You have batch queues and print queues. A server queue is something in-between.N >The processing part of the queue (the so called "symbiont") is a program thatL >does some sort of task (e.g. a PostScript to PDF converter). Thus, jobs (orO >files) put into the queue are arranged by the VMS queueing system (e.g. sortedtN >by size, by submission time,...) and processed by the symbiont. The result is >mostly a file.  >sL >To manager a server queue you use normal DCL commands like START/QUEUE, SET
 >ENTRY, ... .  >g	 >Regards,? >   Christoph Gartmann  B ..and to set one up, grab a copy of the excellent EXECSYMB package from Hunter's archive.+ ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/EXECSYMB.ZIPh  C You get the source code (FORTRAN) for the "symbiont" that ChristophaC referred to, plus a handful of sample DCL command files to give you A lots of ideas on how to create some useful server queues. You are/$ limited only by your imagination 8-)   Cheers from Oz,l    Tonyg  C Tony McGrath, Systems Administrator, British Airways Executive ClubfN Cendant Membership Services, 596 North Road, Ormond, Victoria, 3204, Australia- Phone : 61 3 9578 8233   Fax : 61 3 9578 6326t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:43:16 +1000e4 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com>! Subject: Re: TCP/IP ConfigurationO6 Message-ID: <945ooj$ql4$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  H > Does anybody know of a way to configure multiple NON Clustered OpenVMS& > systems to have the same IP address?  J I suspect you don't really care about the IP address.   Rather you want toJ connect to a remote service, which from your description, sounds as thoughK it is duplicated on many machines for the purpose of high availability.  (Iy$ think that is what you really want).  K If so, then you can use a DNS alias to refer to any number of interfaces ono any machines you like.  $ e.g. your DNS alias could look like:    hogwarts    IN    A    10.10.0.1&                   IN    A    10.10.0.2&                   IN    A    10.10.1.1&                   IN    A    10.10.1.2  E Whenever there is a DNS lookup, it will serve out the IP addresses in  round-robin fashion.  F To obtain a high availability solution, you need to use load broker inH conjunction with dynamic DNS updates.  The load broker will poll each ofJ your remote interfaces (where a metric server is running) and determine ifG the connection exists, as well as obtaining metric information for load 
 balancing.  L e.g. if 10.10.0.1 interface goes down, then load broker will detect this andH remove it from the DNS alias list.  In addition, load broker can help to4 distribute load across a collection of your systems.   Matt./   >oI > Some basic background would probably be helpful for that question.  ThenH > software application that I work with is used to process real time POSH > terminal traffic.  Part of this information is sent to remote systems. EachL > field system consists of up to four boxes.  A box (system) can be a VAX orK > AXP with at least 2 NICS, and running OpenVMS.  The systems are connected1E > together via Ethernet.  The POS terminals are handle thru front end6 devicesyL > that connect to the Ethernet(s) on the back side and serial lines (RS232 /E > 422) to the terminals on the other.  These systems are used to sell3 tickets,H > so much of the ticket information has to be transmitted real time to aG > remote system that is actually responsible for the event in question.i ThesecL > remote systems are connected via LAT ports.  To initiate a connection with a I > remote system the operator will start a communication process on one of  his.J > local systems, which one is anybody's guess.  They actually have reasons for9L > which system to use, but for all practical purposes it can be considered aI > random event.  This communication process would grab a LAT port that is9J > actually connected to the remote system via any number of things, leasedG > line, dial up line or X25 to name a few.  We then attempt to initiatet3 > communications via an industry standard protocol.r >dJ > In order to reduce the amount of hardware at a field sight, I would like toH > change the remote communication process to just use IP to talk to themK > selves when we are talking to one of our remote sights.  But to do this IsJ > need to be able to initiate a sequence with a remote system using just aL > single address/port combination.  I don't know which of the remote systemsL > are going to be used to handle my connection, and it would take to long toK > try and poll multiple address for a connection.  It can mean thousands ofeJ > dollars in lost revenue and customer relations if a connection is broken and. > not reestablished in seconds.> > J > So my question remains, is it possible to configure a VAX / AXP OpenVMS,F > system to have two IP address's.  The first would be unique for each system, C > the second would be the same on all the box's in a computer room.T	 CurrentlyUK > we use UCX 4.1+, OpenVMS 5.5-2+.  We are a bit slow about upgrading fieldEK > systems.  Newer systems get the latest released versions normally, but we=L > don't bother upgrading field systems until they quit working and typically+ > that is not until the hardware wears out.. >l > Rod Prince > C&S Software, Inc. > prince@wserv.com >g >  >s   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2001 19:40:42 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)/ Subject: V7.3-FT2, DS10, but no DTGREET/DTLOGIN + Message-ID: <fX1YXbj8XmXL@eisner.decus.org>   A Since I haven't seen a response to the initial question I thoughtn5 I'd post it again and also cross post this message toP comp.os.vms.  > I received the V7.3-EFT2 and installed it on my test DS10 with< 256M of memory and now DECWindows won't come up with a login9 screen.  The graphic card, according to CLUE CONFIG, is at PowerStorm 4D10T.  a  < The GZ device is present on the system, so it seems like the: graphics card is a known device.  There is a DECW$SERVER_0? process, but it is not doing much.  If I login to this machine, A set display back to a working display on another machine, and run : the IVP, it completes successfully.  So this would seem to0 indicate that it's a DTLOGIN or DTGREET problem.  = Any ideas what might be wrong or where to look for more info?i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:47:10 GMTs4 From: "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here@home.com>, Subject: Re: Veritas Netbackup agent for VMS9 Message-ID: <2Ht96.1683$K8.122087@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>   I We recently held a conference call with Alan as part of our evaluation oftK the product.  We asked all the hard questions and were pleasantly surprised:F at the results.  Overall, it was a very positive discussion and we areJ moving forward with our evaluation.  Compaq on the other hand has been a 3G year non-stop nightmare into Backup Hell with their ABS (Archive BackupeC System) "product" if you want to call it that.  It was billed as an K enterprise backup solution.  I can tell you with no reservations whatsoever8J that it is NOT in any way shape or form an enterprise backup solution (ok,D it is if your entire enterprise is OpenVMS).  It does NOT back up NTK reliably (knows nothing about the registry or open files).  UNIX backup hassK been spotty.  The chronic problems Compaq is plagued with regarding ABS are I a lack of UNIX support staff knowledge for ABS itself as well as the factl= that the engineering resources were dumped onto Digital India(E (www.digitalindiasw.com) during the slash and burn regime of Bobby GQsI Palmer.  They don't even have the hardware to test customer problems on - J hardware that is explicitly qualified in the SPD.  My recommendation wouldH be to stay far far away from ABS unless you are exclusively 100% OpenVMSE (what an ideal world that would be, wouldn't it?)  As big of a Compaq-G booster that I am, I cannot recommend ABS at all - Compaq should reallyd. change the product name to Anti Backup System.    6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OF349B0E77.9CE05FA2-ON032569D7.005AA42F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br... > Ask this guy below ... >S( >    ,---------------------------------.) >     |         O p e n V M S           |6) >     |          Programming            |e) >     |           Alan Fay              |l) >     |     Author of the VERITAS       |.) >     |    NetBackUp OpenVMS Client     | ) >     |    Phone (0044) 1264 771678     |g) >     | Nr. Andover, Hampshire, England |g) >     |  Email alan.fay@btinternet.com  |r) >     `---------------------------------'m >  >mK > I worked at VRTS ! I have my own reservations about this company ...... :w > -(((H > Nowadays I am prefering EDM, TSM, I want to stay far from them . . . . >E >r >: > > > Linda Luik <p14175@email.sps.mot.com> em 17/01/2001 13:11:27 >d >c >< >       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come >  >< >i* > Assunto: Veritas Netbackup agent for VMS >g > F > I think this has been discussed before, but I can't find the emails. > B > My company has decided that Veritas Netbackup is going to be theI > 'one-size-fits-all' backup application. It will be used to backup Unix, G > NT, VMS, and (I think) the Windows 2000 servers. The application will I > reside on a Unix server. Does anyone out there have experience with the 
 > VMS client?  >s	 > Thanks!a > Linda Luik! > (See attached file: p14175.vcf)l >h >  >t >  >r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:49:08 GMTW, From: TMcGrath@cendant.com.au (Tony McGrath)B Subject: Re: VMS scheduling products - what are people using today3 Message-ID: <3a666177.21069636@news.ozemail.com.au>c  3 On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:52:38 -0600, "Dave Gudewicz"l" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote:  J >Wondered what others here are using for VMS scheduling chores these days.F >The DECscheduler product was sent to the black hole a few years back.K >If its been developed and supported in the manner which we are accustomed, 	 >then OK. : >But somehow I think not.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.L >This is my perception based on other things the black hole has swallowed in
 >the past. >  >Thanks, >Dave...  E I built my own system. Nowhere near as fancy as some of those already C suggested. I have a server queue called JOBMGR, using the excellent A EXECSYMB symbiont (from Hunter's archive), where all my scheduledSE tasks are submitted. Each task consists of two DCL command files. The-@ first one manages the timing of the given task and it is the one@ submitted to the JOBMGR queue. Whenever a new task is required ID simply copy & rename an older command file, they're VERY similar. AtF the designated time that command file is executed on the JOBMGR queue.F All it does is (1) calculate the next time that same task is to be runC again and submits itself back to the JOBMGR queue at that time, and B (2) submit another command file to an execution queue, this second; command file is the one that does the actual required work. E I can see just by looking at the one queue when all my scheduled jobsdF will run. It's all driven by DCL and is dead easy to maintain, even ifE a bit tedious compared to the fancy commercial products (which I haveuC NEVER worked with). It has served me flawlessly for 7 years now, ont( two production VMS systems here at work.   Cheers from Down Under,.    TonylC Tony McGrath, Systems Administrator, British Airways Executive Club N Cendant Membership Services, 596 North Road, Ormond, Victoria, 3204, Australia- Phone : 61 3 9578 8233   Fax : 61 3 9578 6326l   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:23:46 GMTo( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: WRQ drops LAT ???' Message-ID: <G7C13M.32w@spcuna.spc.edu>a  - Tom Hickerson <tom@automatedtech.com> writes: : > I've heard that WRQ is dropping LAT from the next/latest@ > release of Reflections.   Meridan's SuperLAT has bit the dust.< > Are there other LAT vendors out there that support W2000 ?  L   Their current page says that Reflection supports LAT if the LAT Connection4 component is installed, and that W2000 is supported.  J   Barring a published statement to the contrary, I'd expect LAT support toL stay, at least for a while. However, WRQ *does* badly botch the distributionK and installation procedures for the Reflection product line. There are mul-hJ tiple versions out there at one time, and an apparently unending stream ofK versions. A packaged product like Reflection Suite for X (X server, Reflec-eI tion 2*, NFS, and LAT) will have different versions of each product and afK separate product like Reflection 4 shipped at the same time may include yettI more different versions of LAT, etc. I'd prefer to get a master CD with a-J consistent version number for each product, or at least a CD with either aJ date ("WRQ distribution January 2001") or a volume/issue number ("WRQ dis-@ tribution Vol. 4 No. 1"). so I can know to discard my old stuff.  K   On the installation topic, the installer has a box labeled something likenM "additional components" where LAT hides. It uses a completely different (old)g install engine.p  J   *Note: I know the products got renamed, I'm using the old names here forJ brevity. Also, the above comments are from the point of view of a site li-H censee with a large number of copies (hundreds) - updates for individual* copies may be different (or non-existent).  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAe   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:47:28 +0000w+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>d! Subject: Re: x25 packet switching & Message-ID: <3A65E8C0.324D3FF@iee.org>   > Bob Ricci wrote: > E > Anybody still using a Demsa loaded by software configured using x25  > router 2000 software.     E > alphaserver. I am assuming i have to run x25rousetup.com but am not C > familiar with the answers to all the questions. Is there any fileAF > which has the old defaults in them so i can just change the new node > name to connect to?e  4 If you don't think you can manage x25rousetup, which0 (if it's like the later command procs) basically) holds your hand through the configurationA) process, then you certainly won't be able  to do the job manually.n  ( Anyway, back in the Phase IV days (which/ is where you are with that software) you didn'tt+ have manually editable configuration files: + most of the work was done with NCP althoughe, I believe the X25 Router software would have* had some config info in its own file(s) to keep track of mop targets etc.  - (In Phase V you have the illusion of manuallyM, editable files - but the configurator writes% over them whenever a change happens).V  - Use the tool provided - if it's anything liken1 Phae IV PSI the answers should be pretty obvious.r, It's been far too long since I last set up a- Phase IV DEMSA for me to remember exactly howu it goes now.   Antoniog   -- o   ----------------- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org0   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2001 15:48:17 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)i! Subject: Re: x25 packet switching6- Message-ID: <d9Sme943SEjC@cuebid.zko.dec.com>a  _ In article <020201c080b1$549743a0$585b5cc0@Subway>, Bob Ricci <maxx0623@concentric.net> writes:e. > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.= 	When posting to usenet, please turn off MIME.  Thanks a lot!e  E > Anybody still using a Demsa loaded by software configured using x25eJ > router 2000 software. I am currently loading the demsa off a vax4000 andB > dialing in through connnet to an alpha server running x.25. I amJ > installing a new alphaserver on which i have configured x.25. Now i want? > the software which is loaded to the demsa to point to the newIE > alphaserver. I am assuming i have to run x25rousetup.com but am not I > familiar with the answers to all the questions. Is there any file whichcH > has the old defaults in them so i can just change the new node name to
 > connect to?1B 	I am having a hard time parsing this message to determine exactlyF what you want to do.  You are currently using a VAX 4000 series systemD (apparently running DECnet Phase IV) to serve as a load host for theF DEMSA.  I assume this will not change.  You currently have an existing: Alphaserver running some version of X.25 software.  Do youG wish to replace this Alpha with another Alpha, or add the 2nd Alpha and H allow incoming X.25 traffic to go to either system, selecting the target7 system based on call user data or some other mechanism?   C You do not need to deal with X25ROUSETUP.COM.  That is only used to./ define a new X.25 Router to the local VAX 4000. I It makes the needed DECnet Phase IV changes via NCP.  Rather, to actuallysN manage the X.25 Router, you will need to run SYS$SYSTEM:X25ROUCONFIG.EXE (I amL pretty sure that is the name of the image -- it has been several years). TheN syntax is very similar to that of NCP, except that all changes you make are toK the permanent database (similar to NCP DEFINE commands), rather than to thedM volatile database (NCP SET commands).  The "permanent database" is actually am8 MOP-loadable file that (typically) resides in MOM$LOAD:.  ; I am not aware of any way to "decompile" the loadable imagetE (MOM$LOAD:X25<routername>.SYS) to figure out the existing X.25-SERVERS definitions.  G If your goal is to replace the older alpha with the newer alpha, it may:E be that no changes are needed on the router itself, assuming that you < set up the new Alpha with the same local X.25 configuration.    J Do you have the documentation that came with the X.25Router-2000 software?I It is excellent and will most certainly point you in the right direction.pK If you are not familiar with X.121 addressing, I suggest you start with the  documentation.  F If you have a current support contract with Compaq, I suspect that the1 good folk in Colorado Springs could help you out.   C Failing that, drop me a note and I will see what I can do, based on G time and resources.  However, this is all off the top of my head.  YourN= best bet is to read the documentation and log a support call.y    I You are aware that hardware support for the DEMSA expired about six years0 ago.   --   Standard disclaimer . . .0  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com2   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:52:11 -0500  From: stan@stanq.com! Subject: Re: x25 packet switchingu- Message-ID: <3A65DBCB.23209.31D6D0@localhost>o  E > Anybody still using a Demsa loaded by software configured using x25t > router 2000 software.r  D Yes, I have a customer that uses DEMSAs.  The software to configure F them resides on a VAX 4000-60.  The load hosts are Alphas running VMS % 7.1-2 with DECnet-Plus.  Works great.   J > Now i want the software which is loaded to the demsa to point to the new > alphaserver.  @ You can dynamically change where the DEMSA sends calls with the 
 following:  
     $ mcr ncpo3     set exec node <demsa> user <username> pass <pw>o*     set mod x25-s dest <name> node <node#>  : "demsa" is the name or area.node of the DEMSA in question.A "username" and "pw" are configurable in the DEMSA's configuration < "name" is a X25 destination name, configurable in the DEMSA D configuration.  You can do a $ mcr ncp, set exec node <demsa>, show * x25-s known dest   to get a list of these.= "node#" is the area.node of the VMS machine to get the calls.e  = To change any of this permanently, it's back to the software.   8 > I am assuming i have to run x25rousetup.com but am not1 > familiar with the answers to all the questions.b    Most have "reasonable" defaults.   > Is there any file whichsH > has the old defaults in them so i can just change the new node name to
 > connect to?s  < Each DEMSA will have a MOM$SYSTEM:X25<demsa>.SYS file.  The A configuration software uses that as a starting point.  To create tD another DEMSA configuration, rename to the new DECnet node name and  have at it.m  E By the way -- I'd recommend having the servers that get the calls be eD set up to load the DEMSA.  Having multiple load hosts costs nothing ( (provided they all have the same image).  E >> If you have a current support contract with Compaq, I suspect that 8 >> the good folk in Colorado Springs could help you out.  < This would be a good idea.  They helped me numerous times.  6 Fortunately, I don't have to make any changes anymore.  B >> You are aware that hardware support for the DEMSA expired about >> six years ago.i  A I didn't.  But, heck, my customer has 5 and only needs 1 for the  : traffic.  Were all redundancy so deep (or is that cheap?).     --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671t1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147o= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comn   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.035 ************************