0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 21 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 41      Contents: $ sh net: no DECnet IV :-( Re: $ sh net: no DECnet IV :-( Re: Batch file processing time4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution! DEC TCPIP V5.0 problem with Linux % Re: DEC TCPIP V5.0 problem with Linux " Dual ethernet config for failover? Re: EUREX and CBOT New System  Re: EUREX and CBOT New System ' Re: i s i t p o s s i b l e t h a t ? ?  KZQSA $ Re: Linux worm and RedHat 7.0 broken( Mounting new disks to Alpha DS10 problem, Re: Mounting new disks to Alpha DS10 problem! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line ! Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line  Oldtimer forgot! Re: Oldtimer forgot! Re: Oldtimer forgot! Re: Oldtimer forgot! Re: Oldtimer forgot! Re: Oldtimer forgot! Re: Oldtimer forgot! Re: Oracle Rdb prices  Re: Remote boot via DECnet?  Re: samba 2.0.3 : NT client  Re: VMS bug in 21st Century   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:09:24 GMT  From: Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr # Subject: $ sh net: no DECnet IV :-( ) Message-ID: <94cnov$uk4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   H fyi, in case someone could be interested, I just spent more than 5 hoursI to try to figure out why a 7.1 system with DECnet phase 4 and UCX 4 shows 2 only TCP-IP when doing the DCL $ show net command.  6 Well, I always thought that to start DECnet 4 a simpleI @sys$manager:startnet command was inuf in the systartup_vms.com file (no, C I don't use SYSMAN STARTUP mumblefratz, I don't like this fantasy).   I Well (again) no, it's not inuf, there is around a sys$net_services.com in B sys$startup: which does the registration. If this proc is added atC startup time (or manually), miracle... the $ show net command shows . DECnet (happiness is using DECnet 4 4 ever :-)  I D. (aka DTL for the record in case one could think that I disappeared :-)      Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:57:11 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ' Subject: Re: $ sh net: no DECnet IV :-( - Message-ID: <3A6A5E17.2540D61E@earthlink.net>    Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr wrote: > J > fyi, in case someone could be interested, I just spent more than 5 hoursK > to try to figure out why a 7.1 system with DECnet phase 4 and UCX 4 shows 4 > only TCP-IP when doing the DCL $ show net command. > 8 > Well, I always thought that to start DECnet 4 a simpleK > @sys$manager:startnet command was inuf in the systartup_vms.com file (no, E > I don't use SYSMAN STARTUP mumblefratz, I don't like this fantasy).  > K > Well (again) no, it's not inuf, there is around a sys$net_services.com in D > sys$startup: which does the registration. If this proc is added atE > startup time (or manually), miracle... the $ show net command shows 0 > DECnet (happiness is using DECnet 4 4 ever :-) > K > D. (aka DTL for the record in case one could think that I disappeared :-)   D There's also a SHOW NETWORK/OLD which should produce the pre-V7 SHOW NETWORK behavior.   E My AlphaStation 200 here is not running DECnet, only Multinet, else I  could post a sample.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 10:20:01 -0800 1 From: "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.com.nospam> ' Subject: Re: Batch file processing time 2 Message-ID: <94cphp$s8a$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  : Steven P. Underwood <StevenU@POBoxes.com> wrote in message, news:3a69a243.182565134@news.telocity.com... > Hello: > H > I am much stronger on the hardware side of things than the software/OSE > side, so I need an explanation of what my Oracle DBA is seeing in a E > batch file she is writing.  This is being performed on a single CPU E > ES40 running OpenVMS/Alpha V7.2-1 with 1GB of memory running Oracle  > v7344. > # > The file is structured like this:  >  > SHOW TIME  > EXPORT (TABLE) > SHOW TIME  > EXPORT (TABLE) > SHOW TIME  > EXPORT (GROUP OF TABLES) > SHOW TIME  > H > We currently do a single nightly export of data from our manufacturingH > database which takes ~20 minutes.  Because the size of the export fileG > is nearing 2GB, we have decided to break this up into several smaller F > exports.  If she disables the last export, then the elapsed time forF > each of the single tables is ~15 minutes.  When she enabled the lastG > export, processing time for the first two exports increased to ~45-50 B > minutes.  REM'ing out the last export returns the shorter export > times. > E > Now, I always thought that batch files were processed one line at a D > time then proceeded to the next command.  The timing we are seeingG > either shows that I was wrong in that thinking and the entire file is F > compiled before execution, or there is something else happening here > that I do not understand.  >  > Any help is appreciated. >  > Steve  >  > Steven P. Underwood,DNRC > Whitinsville,MA  > StevenU@POBoxes.com   = Elapsed time depends upon what else is being processed on the > system at the same time.  Many sites also configure batch jobs? so that they execute at a lower priority than interactive jobs. ; Cpu time should not vary much regardless of other activity. > Other activity on the system can definitely extend the elapsed% time (wall clock time) of batch jobs.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:34:18 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution , Message-ID: <3A69F645.7ACE8D78@videotron.ca>   Paul Sture wrote: I > What I find EVEN ODDER is that a Sun employee should spend so much time + > on a newsgroup devoted to a competing OS.   L Finding out what the competition does is very important. Finding out how theF competition's customers work/like/dislike the competing system is also extremely important.  M Digital may never have officially had a policy of attacking competing systems K and a policy of only showing its capabilities, but where are they now ? You H have to know who your competition is. Digital was blindsighted by the PCM stealing VMS sales because it refused to admit that PCs were competing. Heck, G had Digital listened to its own newsgroups, it would have had plenty of $ information about what was going on.  K Most governments have whole big secret departments whose role it is to find L out what is going on in the world. And succesful corporations have the same.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:05:06 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution * Message-ID: <3A6A0B91.151E0EFF@virgin.net>   Jon Morgan wrote:   C > Oh, and just in case someone brings THIS up, I also hired someone E > young (<27) who WANTS to get better at OpenVMS. Am I offering other H > (UNIX) training? Of course I am, but they really want to get better at > OpenVMS... >   P And when a VMS vacancy came up here recently one of the NT support guys who usedN VMS heavily at university applied internally and got the job. He's only 27 and. would rather work with VMS than anything else. --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2001 18:19:30 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution * Message-ID: <94d6e2$a4i$1@lisa.gemair.com>  , In article <3A69F645.7ACE8D78@videotron.ca>,/ JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  >Paul Sture wrote:J >> What I find EVEN ODDER is that a Sun employee should spend so much time, >> on a newsgroup devoted to a competing OS. > M >Finding out what the competition does is very important. Finding out how the G >competition's customers work/like/dislike the competing system is also  >extremely important.  > N >Digital may never have officially had a policy of attacking competing systemsL >and a policy of only showing its capabilities, but where are they now ? YouI >have to know who your competition is. Digital was blindsighted by the PC N >stealing VMS sales because it refused to admit that PCs were competing. Heck,H >had Digital listened to its own newsgroups, it would have had plenty of% >information about what was going on.  > L >Most governments have whole big secret departments whose role it is to findM >out what is going on in the world. And succesful corporations have the same.   F I see a lot of Compaq employees here and I expect that there are some I reading you don't even know about.  Who's to say that they aren't feeding F some of this information back to Compaq Management?  Who's to say that& Compaq Management aren't reading also?  J Of course, what Andrew does here is not so much information gathering, butI just tearing down and spreading FUD among Compaq customers.  Once upon a  H time, Microsoft employees hung out in a Compuserve OS/2 Forum and spreadG FUD about OS/2, some of them were admitted Microsoft employees, some of H them were stealthy.  One of those Microsoft employees was actually fired; for some of the more outrageous FUD he spread about OS/2.      -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:31:59 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution , Message-ID: <3A6A6637.C8652182@videotron.ca>   Jordan Henderson wrote: G > I see a lot of Compaq employees here and I expect that there are some K > reading you don't even know about.  Who's to say that they aren't feeding H > some of this information back to Compaq Management?  Who's to say that( > Compaq Management aren't reading also?  H Oh, they can read all they want, but if they are reading and not talkingL actions, it is worse than if they are not reading because it truly indicatesI that they are fully aware of the issues but Compaq does not wish to solve  VMS's problems.   H is VMS neglected because Compaq is out of touch with reality/customers ? OrK is VMS neglected because Compaq does not wish to enhance VMS's visibility ?     L > Of course, what Andrew does here is not so much information gathering, but= > just tearing down and spreading FUD among Compaq customers.   M Mr Harrisson is a known entity. He certaintly does not hide that he works for N Sun. But Frankly, I see Compaq as the enemy here because it is Compaq which is= sqandering its VMS assets. Sun doesn't have to lift a finger.   I Also, every now and then, Mr Harrisson does raise a point which makes you L realise that VMS isn't the "state of the art" it used to be.  Other OSes areK rapidly catching up to VMS and in some areas (notably file io) have greatly A outpaced VMS. (Although that is supposed to be fixed eventually).   M What worries me is that Compaq has probably realised that the other guys have L caught up and/or surpassed VMS in many instances. True64 is touted as havingH superior clustering capabilities and Compaq doesn't even correct its ownJ statements. Could it be that True64 actually does have superior (or equal)L clustering capabilities ? I have yet to hear hard facts on features that VMS has and True64 doesn't.   K How can VMS be expected to make any inroads when Compaq pitches only NT and L True64, and the VMS folks are not allowed to advertise competitively against
 unix and NT ?     J I am sorry to say that if there is any FUD around, it is entirely Compaq'sJ because they say one thing and act another way and it makes those who want* ansers really wonder what Compaq is up to.  G  The fact that one has to wonder what is going on at Compaq  is a clear J indication that Compaq is not sending a clear and beleivable message about VMS.    L If Compaq were doing its job of promoting and tryng to push ts products suchI as VMS, we wouldn't be here discussing this, we'd be proud VMS geeks with K companies sending us fruit baskets to lure us to become their employees. Do I you hear NT geeks worrying that Microsoft might drop NT ? Do you hear Sun 3 geeks discuss Sun's handling/marketing of Solaris ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 00:59:52 +0100 : From: "Michael Holmes" <NOSPAM.raider@NOSPAM.mindless.com>* Subject: DEC TCPIP V5.0 problem with Linux, Message-ID: <94d8rh01tf7@enews4.newsguy.com>  5 I'm experiencing a weird problem on my Dec 3000-300L. J When ever I telnet into the Alpha from my PC running Linux (Mandrake LinuxJ 7.1) the CPU immediately jumps to 100% (as shown in Monitor system).  BothA are connected to a 10BaseT hub and are the only two things on it.   E Pinging the PC from the alpha returns time in excess of 9000ms, while A pinging alpha from the PC return packet times constiently of 2ms.   J When I look at the hub, the both lights are flashing, as is the nic on the" PC. (indicating lots of activity).K I also get a OPCOM message about a "late collision" on CMASD-A (I think its F the Decnet circuit) when I start the telnet session from the PC to the Alpha.L When I end the telnet session from the PC to the alpha the system returns to normal.   B I can telnet from the alpha to the linux-pc fine with no problems.J Interestingly, on the alpha I can telnet into the Linux-pc and then telnet# back to the alpha with no problems. J The problem only occurs when I use the pc-linux console to telnet into the alpha.J If I boot the pc to windows, I can telnet into the alpha with no problems.   Any ideas of what is wrong?    Thanks Michael   $ raider -- at -- mindless --dot-- com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:00:14 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> . Subject: Re: DEC TCPIP V5.0 problem with Linux- Message-ID: <3A6A5ECE.8521BCD2@earthlink.net>    Michael Holmes wrote:  > 7 > I'm experiencing a weird problem on my Dec 3000-300L. L > When ever I telnet into the Alpha from my PC running Linux (Mandrake LinuxL > 7.1) the CPU immediately jumps to 100% (as shown in Monitor system).  BothC > are connected to a 10BaseT hub and are the only two things on it.  > G > Pinging the PC from the alpha returns time in excess of 9000ms, while C > pinging alpha from the PC return packet times constiently of 2ms.  > L > When I look at the hub, the both lights are flashing, as is the nic on the$ > PC. (indicating lots of activity).M > I also get a OPCOM message about a "late collision" on CMASD-A (I think its H > the Decnet circuit) when I start the telnet session from the PC to the > Alpha.N > When I end the telnet session from the PC to the alpha the system returns to	 > normal.  > D > I can telnet from the alpha to the linux-pc fine with no problems.L > Interestingly, on the alpha I can telnet into the Linux-pc and then telnet% > back to the alpha with no problems. L > The problem only occurs when I use the pc-linux console to telnet into the > alpha.L > If I boot the pc to windows, I can telnet into the alpha with no problems. >  > Any ideas of what is wrong?   D I believe this is a known problem with TCP/IP Service V5.0. You need V5.0A, I believe, to fix this.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:57:29 -0600 % From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net> + Subject: Dual ethernet config for failover? ' Message-ID: <3A69DF99.E6A27FEF@isd.net>   D Our network guy would like to config each of our "servers" with dualF ethernet cards and plug each card into a Cisco 100mb switch so that inD the event of a Cisco switch failure the servers will failover to the other card/switch.     Questions...  1 1. How does DNS resolve a name to 2 IP addresses?b  C 2. Is it not true that Decnet can only use 2 cards only if they areu connected to separate networks?d  & Our "servers" include the following...   Alpha ES40 OpenVMS 7.2-1 Phase IV DecnetI TCP/IP 5.0Am   Alpha DS20 OpenVMS 7.1-2 Phase IV Decnet  UCX 4.2  ECO xx I forget which   Alpha 4100 DUNIX 4.0 TCP/IP   Alpha 4100 DUNIX 4.0 TCP/IP      Any suggestions are appreciated. --   Keith BrownS kbrown780@isd.neta   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:40:20 -0500g' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> & Subject: Re: EUREX and CBOT New System( Message-ID: <94css4$5q4$1@pyrite.mv.net>  4 Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageH news:910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284C67@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net...   ...r  L > While I obviously promote OpenVMS where I feel it needs it, I also like toL > point out to people like yourself who are very comfortable criticizing theJ > old Digital approach to OpenVMS (and earlier days of Compaq), but have aI > great difficulting admitting that there is some very good efforts being$ done& > by the current OpenVMS organization.  I That's because in any realistic context save massaging existing customersyL the current efforts aren't worth squat, though I'm sure they make Marcello &J Co. (and probably you as well) *feel* better than they felt when they wereI forced not only to eat poison themselves but to disperse it to VMS users.e  J Is VMS engineering still plodding along doing some good things albeit at aI less-than-impressive (compared with the rest of the industry) pace?  Yup, L just as it did even under RP.  Is it doing the things that would give VMS anK opportunity to take a real *lead* in *new* areas (that might grab attentionsD that VMS's existing strengths obviously haven't) and steal back someJ noticeable portion of the market that DEC (and now Compaq) threw away over the last decade-plus?  Duh.-  H Is VMS marketing (sic) aggressively targeting new customers who at leastJ *might* respond to VMS's existing strengths if they were made sufficientlyE clear to them, especially if Compaq started to appear to consider VMSxG sufficiently important to the corporation to devote real efforts towardmH promoting and aggressively developing it?  Not exactly:  we see bouncingL balls and literature sent only to existing customers (and apparently not allE of them) plus an OpenVMS Times whose production consumes a measurablegH portion of the VMS marketing budget only because said budget as comparedK with VMS revenues is an object of laughter to all save those who care aboutg
 VMS's future.o  G If this constitutes a 'major marketing effort' (Marcello's words in theeJ current issue), then I guess it's about all we can expect in the future asK well.  And if VMS is already experiencing a 'Renaissance' (Marcello again), I apparently defined as a single-digit growth rate that if we're to believe I your own assertions about the dramatic increase in VMS's applicability totG current computing needs was inevitable (and in fact could be considerednH discouraging if indeed the market needs VMS as much as you say it does),1 then there's little reason for Compaq to do more./  J And as for Compaq as a whole (outside OpenVMS), let's take a look at where; the Web page you enter at www.compaq.com leads you - today.   J Top-left topic:  products and services.  Left hand column - well, I didn'tL even bother looking for anything there that might include VMS.  Right columnG starts with 'servers', which sounds promising.  Go there, and the first-J entry is for Proliant, followed by AlphaServers (Tru64 mentioned first, asL usual), then Himalaya; next line:  two more entries for Intel-based servers,I then Tandem Integrity.  Next right-column entry. workstations:  two InteloH entries, then an Alpha (Tru64 again mentioned first).  Could be worse, I% guess, but could be a lot better too.   J Only other main entry that looks promising is 'solutions for'.  Skip 'homeL and home office', but 'small medium business' could certainly apply.  ExceptK that it doesn't, not even in its 'server' discussion.  Too bad:  let's hopeaE that an awful lot of businesses consider themselves to be 'enterprise J business' in stature, since that's the last hope under 'solutions for' (orK anywhere else one is likely to travel from the home page unless one already  knows where one is going).  J "What's New" isn't at the top of the 'enterprise business' page, but couldG be the first place someone who's just browsing looks.  And of course it H leads off with the Win2K DataCenter program (well, it *is* new, just notL exactly ready for prime-time yet).  Then there's a Tru64 pitch, and the lastE item is a $100,000 contest for answering Unix questions.  Then again, D there's seldom all that much 'new' in VMS, so perhaps we should look
 elsewhere.  H At the top of the page, we have 'Services' (skip that), then 'Products',I with a drop-down list.  Start with 'servers', but that just returns us tohF the page we found above (see 'Top-left topic:).  But then choose 'highG availability' and *surely* you'll see VMS displayed prominently, right?iK Well, not exactly.  The premier item on the page - 'technology spotlight' -cL highlights 'Industry Standard Proliant Clustering'.  Then we have 'the rightL technology' box, which if one were optimistic could be considered a rebuttalL to 'technology spotlight' but more likely will simply be seen as subordinateL to it.  It leads off with 'clusters for Alpha', which is encouraging, thoughF when you go there Tru64 comes before VMS *every one* of the five timesF (including side-bar lists) that both are mentioned, there's no text toJ differentiate between them, and the one 'feature' on the page is for Tru64L ('taking the internet to the edge' - weren't you telling us that was a *VMS*E strength in the 'new' market?).  Of the other 4 entries in 'the rightdJ technology', VMS comes either last or next-to-last, depending upon whether) one reads top-to-bottom or right-to-left.w  L So that's a fairly detailed picture of how Compaq as a corporation positionsH VMS in its product set - today:  barely visible, and when visible almost' always last in line (except for Linux).l   >o > Can more be done ? Certainly.o  L The question is *will* more be done?  And the answer appears to be "Probably not."s   >bK > You obviously have expertise in some area's and your comments are usually I > quite good. In other area's, your comments are more theoretical and noto@ > based on actual experience where the comments are not as good.  F I'm tempted to state, in Al Smith's immortal words, "Let's look at theH record."  But I've already wasted too much time responding here, so I'llK just relate a recent experience when I was happy to renew acquaintance withnK one of the best managers I ever had the pleasure to work with at DEC.  When2G I asked what had finally caused a departure from Compaq, the answer wasaE "Compaq doesn't want to develop software, and two of my projects wereEL canceled because they competed with Compaq's 'industry-standard' offerings."L This is in line with the perceptions I've held for almost the past two years- and comes from someone in a position to know.O  L If Compaq ever puts some real corporate muscle behind VMS, I'll be the firstE to applaud.  As long as they concentrate on 'feel-good' actions, I'lls* continue to be critical - and pessimistic.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:12:33 +0000.% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>-& Subject: Re: EUREX and CBOT New System* Message-ID: <3A6A0D50.4275472C@virgin.net>   Bill Todd wrote:J And as for Compaq as a whole (outside OpenVMS), let's take a look at where  = > the Web page you enter at www.compaq.com leads you - today.o >a  P Although it's transient item 2 in the news section on the home page is the stock. exchange win where VMS is at least mentioned..     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:28:16 GMTp+ From: Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com>o0 Subject: Re: i s i t p o s s i b l e t h a t ? ?) Message-ID: <94d6ub$ai1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  4 In article <058201c08250$b5ad4540$ad755acf@default>,%   patricia <kae422@erinet.com> wrote: < >  is it possible that --- it is still in my PC somewhere ?? > ...w& > I am on a Compaq running windows 95.4 > On this computer is where I created and housed the! > files for the original website.i > ...P  E I assume you've you already tried Find on the whole disk (if you know  one of your filenames)?   A If you have looked at your website yourself recently (or can findoF someone else who will admit to having done so), then some or all files6 may be in your/their web cache folder, probably calledA C:\Windows\Temporary Internet Files. Open this folder, sort it byaB Internet Address, find your old site, and drag and drop everything there to a recovery folder.s   Chrisi       Sent via Deja.come http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2001 00:00:00 +0000* From: t.haeger@pdp.xnc.com (Thomas Haeger) Subject: KZQSA% Message-ID: <7uFWdEjEdfB@pdp.xnc.com>c  1 Hello, I'am serching for a discription/docs for au* KZQSA (M5976-SA) Q-BUS to SCSI controller.% - JUMPER discription (CSR-Adress ...)i> - with driver I'am have to LOAD/SYSGEN under OVMS (DKDRIVER ?)M                                                          t.haeger@pdp.xnc.comU   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:33:13 -0800 ) From: Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com>,- Subject: Re: Linux worm and RedHat 7.0 brokenfO Message-ID: <893DFB0367232DC7.4A09CE378474EB66.8D7EAAB8F0521A97@lp.airnews.net>g   Paul Sture wrote:D   <snip>  8I > Ain't it lucky I switched to SuSe? :-) I must say that after I switchedm@ > from RedHat to SuSe on my home Linux system, I was immediately< > impressed by the installation, but more importantly by theH > documentation. No more ploughing through endless HOWTO documents, someB > of which are generic unix anyway. No more intensive downloads of, > documents which turn out to be irrelevant. > H > To be fair to RedHat, I am comparing RedHat 5.2 and 6.0 with 7.0 SuSe,H > and things are moving quickly in the Linux world, but I was astonished > by the difference. > I > Why did I move to SuSe? Well it not only supported the hardware I have, F > but the Professional Edition cost only a little more than the RedHatH > Standard version (which missed some stuff I wanted), and was just over6 > _half_ the price of the RedHat Professional Edition. > < > Anyway, back to RedHat 7.0: From www.netcraft.com/survey : >  <snip>  C I had Suse also.  I liked the variety of compilers they offered.  IeG moved over to Calder Open Linux 2.4 for the purposes of using Mesa, andhG OpenGl look alike.  Caldera also sports Webmin, a GUI system admin tools@ thats well endowed.  Its drawback is that it only has one window; manager, Kde.  Their online documentation is very loose ando unstructured.  a@ Of course I find all linux docs pretty sparse or poorly written.E I finally moved over to Solaris 8, as the display is better and comesq with better fonts.@ The documentation is complete with an online AnswerBook service.   I like the diversity, tho.   > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:40:26 -0500b$ From: Norman Woo <nwoo@videotron.ca>1 Subject: Mounting new disks to Alpha DS10 problemt8 Message-ID: <m0qk6tg92c2afeonppf6q9ek6n5ifbnh4o@4ax.com>   Hi folks  A We got some new disks for our Alphas DS10 machine.  I was able toNC initially mount the disk using the following command under OpenvVMSi 7.1-2.:a  ( mount/system smccsl$dbk100 disk11 $dua11  F I created some directories and ftp'd some files from another system to+ test out the disk.  Everything works great.h  5 I then unmounted the disk using the dismount command.   C Now when I try to re-mount the disk, the process aborts and I get aaB message telling me about an error in the volume label (disk11) and- that I should mount disk11 on _smccsl$dkb100.j  ? I did a show device and the dbk100 disk is shown as online (notdF mounted).  I even re-booted the system but still have the same message' when I try to re-mount the dkb100 disk.m  < Any help would be appreciated.  I'm a VMS newbie at this (my background is UNIX).     TIAu   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 00:08:59 -0600-7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 5 Subject: Re: Mounting new disks to Alpha DS10 problemo- Message-ID: <3A6A7CFB.17BBD32A@earthlink.net>    Norman Woo wrote:t > 
 > Hi folks > C > We got some new disks for our Alphas DS10 machine.  I was able toeE > initially mount the disk using the following command under OpenvVMS)	 > 7.1-2.:m > * > mount/system smccsl$dbk100 disk11 $dua11 > H > I created some directories and ftp'd some files from another system to- > test out the disk.  Everything works great.i > 7 > I then unmounted the disk using the dismount command.p > E > Now when I try to re-mount the disk, the process aborts and I get a D > message telling me about an error in the volume label (disk11) and/ > that I should mount disk11 on _smccsl$dkb100.i > A > I did a show device and the dbk100 disk is shown as online (noteH > mounted).  I even re-booted the system but still have the same message) > when I try to re-mount the dkb100 disk.o > > > Any help would be appreciated.  I'm a VMS newbie at this (my > background is UNIX).  C Uh, oh! I've seen a problem similar to this with the Castlewood OrbhG drive. Seems it either doesn't get (or doesn't obey) the spin-up signaluF from teh VMS SCSI driver, DKDRIVER. The drive must already be spinningE when VMS comes along to MOUNT it, but the drive will spin down on its / own after a time-out ("green" feature, y'know).-  F The default for DISMOUNT is DISMOUNT/UNLOAD, which in effect tells tehF drive to spin-down, which it does obey. There's no way to spin-it back up other than power-cycling it.e  G I'll bet if you power down the drive and power it up again (or shutdownmH VMS, power down the machine,a nd bring it up again), that you'll be able to MOUNT it again.  G You may want to make sure that you use MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOUNLOAD. That way,mE when you DISMOUNT, it will have been flagged as no/UNLOAD on DISMOUNTc and you may avoid this problem.o  ( Dunno if that's it, but hope it helps...   -- h David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems0 http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.t   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jan 2001 19:11:48 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)l* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line, Message-ID: <94cntk$1d7n$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  - In article <19JAN200105105192@gerg.tamu.edu>,r*  carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes: |>F |> Not everybody has a postscript printer. You don't need a postscript: |> printer to print a PFD file (well, not on a PC anyway).  E Ummm.  You don't need a Postscript printer to print a PS file either.TD You can do it exactly the same way, with software.  And the price of# the software is even the same.  :-)   F I am still trying to figure out why we needed a proprietary "Portable"D Document Format when Postscript was already about as portable as you
 could get.   bill   -- tJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:44:53 +0000n) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>l* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line, Message-ID: <3A6A14E5.AF76A8F0@infopuls.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > / > In article <19JAN200105105192@gerg.tamu.edu>,1, >  carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes: > |>H > |> Not everybody has a postscript printer. You don't need a postscript< > |> printer to print a PFD file (well, not on a PC anyway). > G > Ummm.  You don't need a Postscript printer to print a PS file either.eF > You can do it exactly the same way, with software.  And the price of% > the software is even the same.  :-)I > H > I am still trying to figure out why we needed a proprietary "Portable"F > Document Format when Postscript was already about as portable as you > could get. >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>  9 PDF and PS are completely different concepts. While PS ise	 suitable 7A for rendering only because the logical structure of the document  < is lost, PDF preserves the logical structure, i.e. PDF knows f.e. o@ what part of the document is text and what is a picture, and by ; that offers a lot of features like searching and scripting.e+ To put it simple: PS is dumb, PDF is smart.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:14:08 -0800y) From: Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com>s Subject: Oldtimer forgot!oO Message-ID: <634A91A1168EA31B.D49C2AC594474770.9EDF6AD69C34399E@lp.airnews.net>   F Since its been over 7 years using vax fortran... is there a new way to+ make your own personal library of routines?dD I was using lib personal_library filename.obj.   That works, but the4 on-line docs are skimpy when it comes to the linker.G How does one link two or more personal libraries and other source filesh/ to make the final image.  I'm lost on this one.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:33:43 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Oldtimer forgot!hL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2001012033440001@user-2ive7pr.dialup.mindspring.com>  z In article <634A91A1168EA31B.D49C2AC594474770.9EDF6AD69C34399E@lp.airnews.net>, Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com> wrote:  H > Since its been over 7 years using vax fortran... is there a new way to- > make your own personal library of routines?fF > I was using lib personal_library filename.obj.   That works, but the6 > on-line docs are skimpy when it comes to the linker.I > How does one link two or more personal libraries and other source filesi1 > to make the final image.  I'm lost on this one.e   Something like:e  , $ link file1,file2,library1/lib,library2/lib   Each of the file names can be a simple name, a logical name that translates to a file, or a full name with device, directory, file name, etc.e  f /LIB only applies the the file name it is appended to, and the default file type for libraries is .OLB   -- e Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:17:40 -0500 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Oldtimer forgot! > Message-ID: <hshubs-7E0F45.22174020012001@news.mindspring.com>   In article  B <rdeininger-2001012033440001@user-2ive7pr.dialup.mindspring.com>, 3 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:e  B >Each of the file names can be a simple name, a logical name that I >translates to a file, or a full name with device, directory, file name,   >etc.)  H Another way, if he's going to do this often, is to use a linker OPTions ' file.  See the Linker docs for details.t   -- eG "...run in circles, scream and shout!"    I hope you have good backups.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:32:01 -0800h) From: Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com>- Subject: Re: Oldtimer forgot!eO Message-ID: <714DD920EE020B40.31E59D81573555F6.6D1E32CB55C9C48C@lp.airnews.net>t   Howard S Shubs wrote:- >  > In articleC > <rdeininger-2001012033440001@user-2ive7pr.dialup.mindspring.com>,e5 > rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:) > C > >Each of the file names can be a simple name, a logical name thatrJ > >translates to a file, or a full name with device, directory, file name, > >etc.u > I > Another way, if he's going to do this often, is to use a linker OPTionse) > file.  See the Linker docs for details.l >  > --I > "...run in circles, scream and shout!"    I hope you have good backups.u  G Hi, getting to the linker docs is what I don't have.  I'm logging in ton a remote system.> If I'd only asked two months earlier I could have had the fullA documentation set.  Wouldn't know where I'd park all of them tho.pC I checked Compaq's site and couldn't find any detailed linker docs.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:05:56 -0600g7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>- Subject: Re: Oldtimer forgot!4- Message-ID: <3A6A6024.4684C644@earthlink.net>t   Wayne Holland wrote: >  > Howard S Shubs wrote:  > >m > > In articleE > > <rdeininger-2001012033440001@user-2ive7pr.dialup.mindspring.com>, 7 > > rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:i > >dE > > >Each of the file names can be a simple name, a logical name that L > > >translates to a file, or a full name with device, directory, file name,	 > > >etc.r > >yK > > Another way, if he's going to do this often, is to use a linker OPTions + > > file.  See the Linker docs for details.  > >i > > --K > > "...run in circles, scream and shout!"    I hope you have good backups.o > I > Hi, getting to the linker docs is what I don't have.  I'm logging in tos > a remote system.@ > If I'd only asked two months earlier I could have had the fullC > documentation set.  Wouldn't know where I'd park all of them tho.rE > I checked Compaq's site and couldn't find any detailed linker docs.-  E Well, stuff *IS* hard to find over there. We've been hounding the "Q"wD about it for more than two years now - no improvement, in fact hings continue to deteriorate.  ) Still, what you seek might be found here:g  ; http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/72final/4548/4548pro.htmld  % Other goodies may be found by way of:e  - http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/#ovmsdocset-/ http://www.djesys.com/vms/freevms/document.htmly   Hope this helps...   -- a David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:16:08 -0800g) From: Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com>  Subject: Re: Oldtimer forgot!tO Message-ID: <F6D766F0EF20C27E.4918811DC920E8AD.77B136E195466CD5@lp.airnews.net>t   Robert Deininger wrote:  > | > In article <634A91A1168EA31B.D49C2AC594474770.9EDF6AD69C34399E@lp.airnews.net>, Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com> wrote: > J > > Since its been over 7 years using vax fortran... is there a new way to/ > > make your own personal library of routines?cH > > I was using lib personal_library filename.obj.   That works, but the8 > > on-line docs are skimpy when it comes to the linker.K > > How does one link two or more personal libraries and other source filesw3 > > to make the final image.  I'm lost on this one.b >  > Something like:f > . > $ link file1,file2,library1/lib,library2/lib >  > Each of the file names can be a simple name, a logical name that translates to a file, or a full name with device, directory, file name, etc.0 > h > /LIB only applies the the file name it is appended to, and the default file type for libraries is .OLB >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.coms% Thank you, Robert.  This worked fine.aH The program I am compiling is a fortran source file.  Unfortunately, itsB an older fortran program trying to access the command line via the ($clidef) fortran library...H "include '($clidef)' ".  So when I type in "RUN PROGRAM ARG1 ARG2" I getF the dcl error of too many parameters.  I used this program a long time ago on vax 785.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:17:08 -0800s) From: Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com>n Subject: Re: Oldtimer forgot!$O Message-ID: <554BDE125E526BE9.2A663334D66D56B6.2F6A1C9B146687D5@lp.airnews.net>t   Howard S Shubs wrote:  >  > In articleC > <rdeininger-2001012033440001@user-2ive7pr.dialup.mindspring.com>,r5 > rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:b > C > >Each of the file names can be a simple name, a logical name thatkJ > >translates to a file, or a full name with device, directory, file name, > >etc.l > I > Another way, if he's going to do this often, is to use a linker OPTionss) > file.  See the Linker docs for details.c >  > --I > "...run in circles, scream and shout!"    I hope you have good backups.s  H Thank you also for your suggestions Howard.  I'm building up my own user
 log of ideas.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:16:29 +0100 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> Subject: Re: Oracle Rdb prices. Message-ID: <94crgp$6qu$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>  6 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageH news:910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284C51@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net...J > Well, I'll leave the specifics of the latest licensing issues to someoneK > like Norm (are you there Norm?), but based on what you are saying, unlesstL > you use named user licenses, you need to license Oracle Rdb on a server byJ > server basis ie. on any node where it is installed and started, you need to > license it.. >7( > Is that different from other products? >9    D Maybe there's a shift between French prices and prices in the US ...  ! The License for a DS20 667 MHz is ? - On a per cpu power basis : 512000 FRF = 78054 EUR = 72738 USDS? - for 64 users             : 294912 FRF = 44959 EUR = 41897 USDe  3 The total DS20 configuration with 512Mb, 88Mb diskst? with 64users + shadowing   : 308681 FRF = 47058 EUR = 43853 USDf  4 Are price differences the same magnitude in the US ?  
 Jean-Franoist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:23:38 GMTa7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)m$ Subject: Re: Remote boot via DECnet?& Message-ID: <G7H9zE.Mrq@world.std.com>   Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr writes:l  G >I need to reboot my AS2100 running 7.1 but I'm currently connected vianH >DECnet and the machine is very far away from my location. If I shutdownJ >reboot the Alpha via my RTA session, when DECnet is down, will the reboot6 >session continue? I guess no, and I can't test it :-(  F SHUTDOWN.COM is smart enough to NOT shutdown DECnet (DECnet IV anyway)F when running from an RT terminal.  Similar to how it doesn't shut downD essential windows processes when shutting down via a decterm window. So go ahead.   -Mike    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2001 19:09:10 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)$ Subject: Re: samba 2.0.3 : NT client+ Message-ID: <Qqa60yLiya9e@eisner.decus.org>t  K In article <94cmap$tgj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, john_20_28_2000#yahoo.com writes: F > Is this why my samba 2.0.3 daemon on 7.2-1 will die after making theH > initial connection from a windows box, but after I start the samba vmsI > daemon again, I can do anything with the directories?  It is losing thea > port?:  : I have no idea what your problem is from your description.  F The log files may provide a clearer answer.  In general if it is a tooD many files in a directory problem, then it will always occur on that0 directory, not sometimes work and sometimes not.  D I have not worked with the 2.0.3 release, just the 2.0.6 release andI I do not have any systems powered up at this time running SAMBA to do anyp testing.  H When chasing an intermittant problem, check all of your network hardwareG carefully.  A bad terminator or connection can cause a lot of problems.t  F I would also check to see what errors you are getting in the SAMBA log files.  F I would also look at the SAMBA-VMS FAQ that is in the SAMBA 2.0.6. forG OpenVMS for some tuning suggestions.  The SAMBA 2.0.6 installs the SMBDe image as shared by default.b   -John   E The latest version of SAMBA for OpenVMS that I am aware of is 2.0.6 .   * It is available along with a SAMBA FAQ at:  ( http://eisner.decus.org/~malmberg/samba/  D It requires the use of a shared image for a LINUX to OpenVMS porting library at:0  , http://eisner.decus.org/~malmberg/frontport/  D SAMBA 2.0.6 for OpenVMS is basically BUG and FEATURE compatible with the UNIX port.  G (Well, not quite, there are a few buffer overrun bugs that were fixed.)e   wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyn   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:47:16 +0800u- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>s$ Subject: Re: VMS bug in 21st Century? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010121124716.007aae10@mail.bigpond.com>o  2 At 09:48 AM 1/20/01 -0500, Jordan Henderson wrote:. >In article <20JAN200108170737@gerg.tamu.edu>,) >Carl Perkins <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote:t  
 	[...snip...]e  F >>I agree that "insufficent parameters" would probably be a good idea. >>I >>On the other hand, you might have noticed that while the year filed wasiK >>filled with stars, the other fields were probably not right either excepte >>by coincidence:y >>! >>$ write sys$output f$fao("!%D")  >> 2-JAN-**** 02:28:52.95d# >>$ write sys$output f$fao("!%D",0)  >>20-JAN-2001 08:08:00.38b >>F >>The month matches, but I bet that it is purely coincidental. WithoutE >>the additional parameter, it is probably treating some more or less(H >>random chunk of memory as a 64 bit time value. I also suspect that theH >>asterisks are there because the chunk of memory it looks at translates >>to a year that has 5 digits: >> >fG >Just out of curiosity, did anyone out there do the first command above F >and get back a year that wasn't **** (presumably > 9999)?  I tried itB >on several machines, with varying versions of OpenVMS and machine% >architectures and I always got back:t >d >23-NOV-**** 21:13:50.62 >r >>$ write sys$output: f$cvtime("31-dec-9999:23:23:23.23+23:59:59.99","ABSOLUTE") >>1-JAN-**** 22:46:46.46 >>G >>Presumably they will expand the field to be able to display a 5 digitnB >>year sometime in the next 7999 years. (Beware the Y10K problem.) >>
 >>--- Carl  @ The output of SHOW SYSTEM handles 5 digit years.  During all theC Y2K bullshit, I set my system time to 31-DEC-9999:23:50 and watchedf? it tick over into 1-JAN-10000.  Anything that used the "normal"wA date format routines always displayed **** as the year (check theo? date/time format logicals - can't recall the logical table theye; are found in - but the FAO style string only has 4 digits.),? The documentation for FAO also describes that it "can't" reallyt? return an "insufficient argument" error because it doesn't know0? about it until it gets to the end, also how would it know aboutsC having "too many" arguments (reminds me of another current thread).c? It also can't distinguish between incorrectly passed arguments,g< wants a longword, you pass it the address of a descriptor... >N >-Jordan Henderson >jordan@greenapple.com >t   Regards, Dave. I -------------------------------------------------------------------------nI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comcI Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/eI DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennons   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.041 ************************) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:44:53 +0000n) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>l* Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Times now on line, Message-ID: <3A6A14E5.AF76A8F0@infopuls.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > / > In article <19JAN200105105192@gerg.tamu.