0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 26 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 51      Contents:( %UCX-E-LPD_REQREJECTED (remote print pb) ABS Archive/Backup System  Re: ABS Archive/Backup System  Re: Backup Problem...  Re: Backup Problem... 4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution4 Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution Data set hang-up problem Re: Data set hang-up problem Re: Data set hang-up problem Re: dec 3000 300 crashing  Re: dec 3000 300 crashing  Re: dec 3000 300 crashing  Re: fast_io_copy.c questions Re: fast_io_copy.c questions Re: FAX file storage on VMS  Re: FAX file storage on VMS  Filename wildcards under VMS  Re: Filename wildcards under VMS  Re: Filename wildcards under VMS  Re: Filename wildcards under VMS  Re: Filename wildcards under VMS  Re: Filename wildcards under VMS$ Re: ftp'ing savesets from W2K to VMS$ Re: ftp'ing savesets from W2K to VMS$ Re: ftp'ing savesets from W2K to VMS$ Re: ftp'ing savesets from W2K to VMS$ Re: Linux worm and RedHat 7.0 broken$ Re: Linux worm and RedHat 7.0 broken& Looking for Power Users of BIS systems. Malloc bug - anyone else got the same problem?2 Re: Malloc bug - anyone else got the same problem?2 Re: Malloc bug - anyone else got the same problem?2 Re: Malloc bug - anyone else got the same problem?. Re: Midrange I/O with VMS WAS: DS20 - Slow I/O. Re: Midrange I/O with VMS WAS: DS20 - Slow I/O. Re: Midrange I/O with VMS WAS: DS20 - Slow I/O Moving Datatrieve files  Re: MPACK/MUNPACK images Re: MPACK/MUNPACK images- Re: OpenVMS : solid but low profile - by CNET  Re: OpenVMS problem 6 Re: Porting WinAPI (was Re: About X-Windows x ICA/RDP) Printing problems in TCPIP (2)" Re: Printing problems in TCPIP (2)- Question: Info. Needed On SHD51-ZZ Drive Box. 1 Re: Question: Info. Needed On SHD51-ZZ Drive Box. / Re: Rdb structure recovery after backup/noimage ) Relative merits of LPD vx TELNET printing - Re: Relative merits of LPD vx TELNET printing - Re: Relative merits of LPD vx TELNET printing - Re: Relative merits of LPD vx TELNET printing 1 Re: REPLY MBFULL error (was: Re: OpenVMS problem)  Re: Run .com Every 5 Min?  samba 2.0.6  Re: samba 2.0.6 0 Selling: XP1000  21264A  EV6 + 2Gb Memory + More' Re: Shareable image with DEC-C question / Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V 3 Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V 3 Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V 3 Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V 3 Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V 3 Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V 3 RE: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V 3 Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V 3 Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V 3 Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V 3 Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V 3 Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V  storageworks Re: storageworks Re: Telnet, yes; HTTP, no % VMS 7.2-1 Bugcheck In DECW$REINIT.EXE ) Re: VMS 7.2-1 Bugcheck In DECW$REINIT.EXE 9 Re: VMS scheduling products - what are people using today 7 Re: VMS vs UNIX (was: Linux worm and RedHat 7.0 broken)  Re: VMS writable CD on Win2K?  Re: VMS writable CD on Win2K? % Re: Where is the latest MIME for AXP? - Re: Window for Alpha success still seems open ' Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount? ' Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount? ' Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount? ' Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount? ' Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount? ' Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount? ' Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:38:54 GMT  From: Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr 1 Subject: %UCX-E-LPD_REQREJECTED (remote print pb) ) Message-ID: <94prrs$sgq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   @ Well, I found 11 entries under the key "print request rejected".  H The two relevant are a question to the COMPAQ Wizard (?) from Marie: "myE remote printer don't work no more" and a Multinet answer for the same  problem.  H The COMPAQ Wizard said "send us an SPR" and Multinet said "the usernames
 don't match".   F My problem is that noone modified anything on the machines, and on oneF machine, (the local one), a direct print/queue=DECLP starts then stopsD without error message but I don't get the print, and from the remoteE machine I get the %UCX-E-LPD_REQREJECTED error message. The [UCX_LPD]  journal file said nothing.  H I stopped then restarted the thing via ucx$lpd_shutdown/startup, no way.  # Where should I investigate, please?  Thanks,    D.     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:13:49 -0500 & From: Felix Kreisel <fjk@psfc.mit.edu>" Subject: ABS Archive/Backup System, Message-ID: <B6960F4D.C9A1%fjk@psfc.mit.edu>  K Hello, does anyone use the ABS/MDMS GUI software? How do you start the GUI?   
 Felix Kreisel  --  @ Felix Kreisel, Systems Engineer         e-mail: fjk@psfc.mit.edu> Plasma Science & Fusion Center, MIT     Phone:    617-253-8625> 190 Albany St. Cambridge, MA 02139      Fax:      617-252-1808A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:40:26 GMT 4 From: "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here@home.com>& Subject: Re: ABS Archive/Backup System; Message-ID: <us5c6.32562$K8.1600882@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>    $ ABS /INTERFACE=DECWINDOWS    You may need to first do a  0 $ SET DISPLAY /CREATE /NODE=foo /TRANSPORT=TCPIP  L if you wish to display it on your PC running eXcursion or another X product.  L Really though, you'll find that the GUI has a few (!) problems that can only3 be performed (rectified) by the CLI and vice versa.    $ ABS START /FRUSTRATION=NOW  
 Good luck!  3 "Felix Kreisel" <fjk@psfc.mit.edu> wrote in message & news:B6960F4D.C9A1%fjk@psfc.mit.edu...H > Hello, does anyone use the ABS/MDMS GUI software? How do you start the GUI? >  > Felix Kreisel  > --B > Felix Kreisel, Systems Engineer         e-mail: fjk@psfc.mit.edu@ > Plasma Science & Fusion Center, MIT     Phone:    617-253-8625@ > 190 Albany St. Cambridge, MA 02139      Fax:      617-252-1808C > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:31:05 -0500 0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com> Subject: Re: Backup Problem...2 Message-ID: <n3BwOg7k0xbj3ycoA4m9qftm6vjm@4ax.com>  ? Perfectdisk is defragmenting the disk at the same time you are  = running backup.  Perhaps you should disable Perfectdisk while A backups are running, or start running Perfectdisk after each disk  backup completes.    David R. Beatty   A On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:26:45 -0500, Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>  wrote:   >Dear all netbeings,   >  >Hello and warm fuzzies and whatnot.  I've been seeing this error off and on for a long time, and finally am getting tired of not  >knowing what it's about exactly.  Since this is in a daily job, and our files turn over slowly, I've not really worried about this. >  >Can anyone enlighten me as to what backup-w-fidnotfnd really means? it's not mentioned in the system error message util except for Q >"contact support", basically, and we don't have support.  oh, yeah, vms 5.5-2...  > 
 >Jim Agnew >  > x >%BACKUP-E-OPENIN, error opening ANACIN$DUA2:[000000]PD_FREE_FILE.DAT;1 as input           -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no sucha >file                                                %BACKUP-I-STARTVERIFY, starting verification * >pass                                     _ >%BACKUP-E-VERIFYERR, verification error for block 3 of ANACIN$DUA2:[000000]000000.DIR;1        T >%BACKUP-W-FIDNOTFND, internal error. File to be processed not found on process list > _ >%BACKUP-I-STARTRECORD, starting backup date recording pass                                      >$       SETUP ZIP   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:58:51 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> Subject: Re: Backup Problem...) Message-ID: <94q0hj$12v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   + In article <3A7053C5.AADF1166@hsc.vcu.edu>, &   Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> wrote: > Dear all netbeings,  > F > Hello and warm fuzzies and whatnot.  I've been seeing this error off; and on for a long time, and finally am getting tired of not E > knowing what it's about exactly.  Since this is in a daily job, and ? our files turn over slowly, I've not really worried about this.  > E > Can anyone enlighten me as to what backup-w-fidnotfnd really means? > it's not mentioned in the system error message util except forE > "contact support", basically, and we don't have support.  oh, yeah,  vms 5.5-2... >  > Jim Agnew  > 6 > %BACKUP-E-OPENIN, error opening ANACIN$DUA2:[000000]C PD_FREE_FILE.DAT;1 as input           -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such @ > file                                                %BACKUP-I-" STARTVERIFY, starting verification > passE > %BACKUP-E-VERIFYERR, verification error for block 3 of ANACIN$DUA2:  [000000]000000.DIR;1E > %BACKUP-W-FIDNOTFND, internal error. File to be processed not found  on process list   F  FIDNOTFND,  internal error. File to be processed not found on process              list   &   Facility:     BACKUP, Backup Utility  C   Explanation:  The file context has been lost. This is an internal  error.  B   User Action:  If this error can be reliably reproduced, submit a SoftwareF                 Performance Report (SPR) along with the BACKUP command that@                 was used and a description of the circumstances.   > 7 > %BACKUP-I-STARTRECORD, starting backup date recording  pass > $       SETUP ZIP  >    --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItD is not a valid address. Instead, use the address below, removing the long wrong part first. Thanks.    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)( afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.com     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:37:36 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution , Message-ID: <3A70807F.D5D47EE3@videotron.ca>   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:D > The last time statistics I saw showed Compaq as most used hardware > platform for web-servers.   J But Compaq does very little in terms of the internet backbone.  Check out=  what J ISP's use, and what the big backbone companies (sprint etc) use to manage=  and run their internet backbones.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:34:38 GMT   From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>= Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution 8 Message-ID: <cqm17t43arha1prrrc65ou4ls20ndsvj3k@4ax.com>  , On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 02:40:15 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:   
 >jlsue wrote: F >> Nobody ever said that VMSclusters are always problem free, so this,C >> again, doesn't prove anything.  Otherwise, by your reconing, Sun H >> 10000s are nothing but crap, heck we can point to lots of comments in >> here that say so. > O >Just because Sun is inferior to VMS doesn't mean that Sun is nothing but crap. 2 > Sun hardware and software does run the internet.  C I never said that I believe Sun stuff to be crap.  What I was doing D was using Andy's own logical progression of thought in such a way to show how absurd it is.  D [snip the rest that seems complete off-topic from what I was saying]   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:27:39 GMT 2 From: usenetfilter_bjblueplumb@hotmail.com (Bryce)! Subject: Data set hang-up problem 1 Message-ID: <3a70e8ce.312242540@news.btc-bci.com>   C We have a VAX running VMS 5.5.  Connected to a terminal server port C via RS-232 is a computerized data acquisition system.  A process on > the VAX needs to communicate with the data acquisition system., However, we cannot establish communications.  @ Any effort to read from or write to the terminal server LAT portE results in the error, "Data set hang-up".  Even using DCL to open the 1 port and read or write results in the same error.   > The problem must be either in our VMS setup or with our serial connection wiring.  A We have an identical system in operation at another location that A works fine.  We've copied the port setup from the working system.  Here's the LAT port setup:  @ Local Port Name:  _LTA20:	Local Port Type:  Application (Queued) Local Port State:  Active  Connected Link:    LAT$LINK : Target Port Name:     PORT_1		Actual Port Name:     PORT_1: Target Node Name:     RMS2SV		Actual Node Name:     RMS2SV+ Target Service Name:			Actual Service Name:    Here's the SET TERMINAL setup:  C Terminal: _LTA20:     Device_Type: Unknown       Owner: **RMSCRTZ** >                                               Username: IMPUN2 LAT Server/Port: RMS2SV/PORT_1>    Input:   4800      LFfill:  0   Width:  80      Parity: OddE    Output:  4800   CRfill:  0   Page:   24      Dismiss parity errors  Terminal Characteristics: E    Passall            Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape B    No Hostsync        No TTsync          Uppercase          No TabD    No Wrap            Hardcopy           No Remote          EightbitC    No Broadcast       No Readsync        No Form            Fulldup E    No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        No Hangup E    No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speed E    No Commsync      No Line Editing    Overstrike editing No Fallback C    No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      Pasthru F    No Syspasswd  No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters No Printer PortE    Numeric Keypad     No ANSI_CRT        No Regis       No Block_mode A    No Advanced_video  No Edit_mode     No DEC_CRT     No DEC_CRT2 8    No DEC_CRT3        No DEC_CRT4        VMS Style Input  D As to serial wiring, we currently use just pins 2, 3 and ground.  WeF might need a different pin configuration such as tieing some pin(s) toF ground or something.  But as I understand it, a terminal server cannot# handle modem-type control anyway.     2 +-+- remove "usenetfilter_" to send me email -+-+- Bryce    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:35:12 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> % Subject: Re: Data set hang-up problem , Message-ID: <3A70FE7E.CA0A03BD@videotron.ca>   Bryce wrote:G > results in the error, "Data set hang-up".  Even using DCL to open the 3 > port and read or write results in the same error.   F > As to serial wiring, we currently use just pins 2, 3 and ground.  WeH > might need a different pin configuration such as tieing some pin(s) toH > ground or something.  But as I understand it, a terminal server cannot# > handle modem-type control anyway.   H You did not specify what type of terminal server you have. Some terminal servers do have this.   N You might want to login to the terminal server and do a SHOW port for the port  that is used by the application.  L Make sure there is no modem, and no RTS/CTS flow control etc. If the port isK so set, it would explain why it woud report tat data transfers cannot occur 1 since it isn't seeing anything on the RS232 port.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2001 23:36:07 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)% Subject: Re: Data set hang-up problem + Message-ID: <NbYAuWs1nM0I@eisner.decus.org>   1 In article <3a70e8ce.312242540@news.btc-bci.com>, 4 usenetfilter_bjblueplumb@hotmail.com (Bryce) writes:E > We have a VAX running VMS 5.5.  Connected to a terminal server port E > via RS-232 is a computerized data acquisition system.  A process on @ > the VAX needs to communicate with the data acquisition system.. > However, we cannot establish communications.  B > Any effort to read from or write to the terminal server LAT portG > results in the error, "Data set hang-up".  Even using DCL to open the 3 > port and read or write results in the same error.  > @ > The problem must be either in our VMS setup or with our serial > connection wiring.   <snip> > F > As to serial wiring, we currently use just pins 2, 3 and ground.  WeH > might need a different pin configuration such as tieing some pin(s) toH > ground or something.  But as I understand it, a terminal server cannot# > handle modem-type control anyway.   6 Are you running OpenVMS VAX 5.5 or OpenVMS VAX 5.5-2 ?  F Also you did not mention what model terminal servers you are using and$ what revision their load images are.  E Some terminal servers can definitely handle modem control and if theyo? are setup to use the modem control signals will cause a hangup.t  J However you can get the same symptoms if you bind a port to a non-existantD terminal server.  A terminal server out of the box does not have theF name that you registered it with the NCP command.  It does not pay any3 attention to anything that you may have put in NCP.d  B You must set the Terminal Server's name on the server it self with a DEFINE Server command.  C You also will want to look at is what are the ports on the terminaluJ server set to.  You do that from a console session on the terminal server.  G The console is usually port on a terminal server that is set to factory2F default, or can be accessed from the network using a program like TSM.  0 See http://www.dnpg.com/dr/npg/tsm.html for TSM.  ; I would initially suspect that may be part of your problem.g  F If you have or get the TSM program, after you get your Terminal ServerE configured to work, look at the GET_SERVER_SETUP.COM procedure in the E TSM directory.  It can backup your configuration in case the terminalA6 server dies and you need to replace it with a new one.    J Other trouble shooting steps would be to connect a terminal up to the portG instead of your device, and then from DCL allocate the port and use SETb@ HOST/DTE to send characters to and from someone at the terminal.  H If your terminal servers are models that download their boot images fromF an OpenVMS load host, then you must make sure that all hosts that haveC boot images are serving the one that you want.  Terminal servers doaF not pay any attention to the load file information that you registered= them with, and will load their image from the first host that D responds to them.  Depending on your network topology and the numberC of possible load hosts on the network, you might not be running the A same version of load software on the otherwise identical terminale servers.   -Johng wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlys   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:53:14 -0500h, From: "William J. Schaff" <wjs2@cornell.edu>" Subject: Re: dec 3000 300 crashingB Message-ID: <wjs2-7E433B.14531425012001@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>   In article -B <rdeininger-2501011116440001@user-2iveal5.dialup.mindspring.com>, 3 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:e  G > Let's take a poll.  How many folks with DEC 3000 300-ish systems passs > >>> T MEM LLSC > and how many fail the test?I    I 3000-300 with 128M Kingston Memory, 32 Mb Dec - Fail - in a trouble free   box (7 years?)   -- s4 William J. Schaff        607-255-3974 / 607-227-4373) 415 Phillips Hall        607-255-4742 FAX-3 Cornell University       schaff@iiiv.tn.cornell.eduk= Ithaca, NY 14853         http://www.iiiv.cornell.edu/~schaff/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:38:32 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>t" Subject: Re: dec 3000 300 crashing, Message-ID: <3A70D518.5F1837AA@infopuls.com>   Robert Deininger wrote:eG > Let's take a poll.  How many folks with DEC 3000 300-ish systems passm > >>> T MEM LLSC > and how many fail the test?  >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.comd  @ I can do the test but I have so many open X windows that I don't= want to shutdown my system. It now up and running for 44 days-? and it may running another 44 days. If I have to shutdown or if ' it crashes I'll do that test. Promised.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:03:14 GMTD0 From: Chris Townley <chris@townleyc.demon.co.uk>" Subject: Re: dec 3000 300 crashing) Message-ID: <94qpde$nug$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  - In article <rdeininger-2501011116440001@user-e 2iveal5.dialup.mindspring.com>,a5   rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:P   >zG > Let's take a poll.  How many folks with DEC 3000 300-ish systems pass  > >>> T MEM LLSC > and how many fail the test?  >   B 3000 M300LX, which has been having the odd machine check anyway...   >>> T MEM LLSC T-STS-MEM -  OK     >>>    Probably doesnt help you...f   -- chris@townleyc.demon.co.uk townleyc@spicers.ltd.ukr     Sent via Deja.comD http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2001 14:21:00 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)% Subject: Re: fast_io_copy.c questionsa+ Message-ID: <v8J4Jg+KtrwG@eisner.decus.org>-  a In article <94pr1c$o8o@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:>L > I'm trying to get up to speed (pardon the pun) with fast_io_copy.c which I; > obtained from a post to this group.  I compiled it with:   > ? > $ cc/arch=host fast_io_copy+sys$library:sys$lib_c.tlb/librarys > ( > Question 1: I could not build it with: > \ >   $ cc/arch=host/standard=ansi89/prefix=all fast_io_copy+sys$library:sys$lib_c.tlb/library > J > apparently because it wasn't picking up iosadef.h.  Is it just me or is F > there some trick to it?  (I want eventually to modify this slightly,H > and prefer to work with code that builds cleanly in ANSI mode with all > warnings enabled.) B > @ > Question 2:  in order to use the IO_PERFORM routines a processC > must hold the indentifer VMS$BUFFER_OBJECT_USER, else the program  > generates a: > L >    %SYSTEM-E-NOBUFOBJID, requires rights identifier VMS$BUFFER_OBJECT_USER >   % 	Yep.. forgot to mention that detail:g  # UAF> show/id VMS$BUFFER_OBJECT_USER!=   Name                             Value           Attributesn1   VMS$BUFFER_OBJECT_USER           %X80000008    o    L > IO_PERFORM looks like a modern, general purpose, replacement for QIO.  If K > so why do processes need special dispensation to use buffer objects?  No o1 > such requirement exists for QIO or RMS buffers.- >   C 	The real possibility of exhausting system memory and/or addresses.s   	Fred says:s  > http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=562027016&fmt=text  + From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <nospam@please.com> D Subject: Re: Consequences of raising MAXBOBMEM for EXBUFOBJLM errors Date: 17 Dec 1999 00:00:00 GMT Newsgroups: comp.os.vms1  J MAXBOBMEM was invented to prevent someone consuming all physical memory byD placing a system wide limit on physical memory consumption by Buffer Objects.  J Because of the way some database applications work, MAXBOBS0S1 and S2 wereE created to put similar limits on Virtual Address space (as opposed to  physical memory).c  = The DECwindows errrors that are "normally" seen come from the L X11 server, not from DECterm (for instance, the 3D30/4D20).  The failures doI NOT prevent operation -- because the code simply then uses PIO instead of L DMA.  The Buffer Object prevents the need for doing lots of lock/unlocks for DMA.  B If you get the error for DECwindows, just crank up MAXBOBMEM *and*. MAXBOBS0S1 -- there is NO WAY TO DISTINGUISH A5 FAILURE OF ANY OF THE THREE.  DECwindows does not use 	 S2 space.d  9 In the NEXT release of OpenVMS, these parameters GO AWAY.e> The exec group has determined that other mechanisms adequatelyA protect the system resource usage, and these limits simply get in  the way of proper operation.   ---I   	[snip]0  8 >                  [---U2W disk-------]   [  RAMDISK   ]9 >                  seconds      Dev ops   seconds Dev ops < > fast_io_copy     .131         279       .017      420     7 > regular copy     .410         517       .008      545e > J > Which shows that fast_io_copy kicks butt on a physical disk, moving dataN > roughly 3 times faster and requiring only 3/5 as many device operations, butL > going to RAMdisk it was 2X slower than copy, and required (roughly) 4/5 asL > many operations.  While the number of device operations was very close forK > regular copy in the two cases (increasing by 5% going to RAMdisk) it went.M > up by 50% for fast_io_copy.   Not that .017 seconds is bad for this sort of K > work, but one might have expected .003 seconds, or at worst .008 seconds,eK > and I simply cannot explain .017.  My point being that it would certainly J > be nice to be able to write a program that runs as fast as possible bothK > when it's written straight to disk, through a file cache, or to RAMdisk. iM > But the observed speeds indicate that it is not going to be easy to do so.  J > COPY is the archetypical case - it should always run as fast as possibleK > no matter what the output device as it is an extremely common program to p > run. >   4 	Don't know the others... but what is allocation and8 	extend on that RAMDISK?  What if you use factors of 127* 	(i.e. cluster size 127, extend 32 * 127).  H 	Regarding COPY.  I think being old doesn't help.  Maybe that isn't much< 	of an excuse but hardware has gotten much faster and memory? 	much larger.  Given a clean slate and a new OS, a COPY utilityo= 	written in 2001 would probably look a lot different than oneI@ 	written in 1978.  So maybe adding a COPY/IOFAST would be a cool
 	new feature.D 	F 				Robr   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jan 2001 22:26:50 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)% Subject: Re: fast_io_copy.c questions , Message-ID: <94q97a$c5h@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  a In article <94pr1c$o8o@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:o. >Not that .017 seconds is bad for this sort ofJ >work, but one might have expected .003 seconds, or at worst .008 seconds,$ >and I simply cannot explain .017.    G I guess .003 seconds was out of the question.  The test file was 16262 m& blocks and it took .008 seconds to do:   $ copy infile outfiled  H with everything on the RAMdisk, but to read all that data and then write it back out again is:   +  2*16262*512/.008 = 2081536000 bytes/secondu  J or 2Gb/sec.  That's the full memory bandwidth (more or less) on a DS10, soJ it just cannot be done faster than that.  Since FAST_IO_COPY takes almost H exactly twice as long it must have an extra copy in it somewhere that's C missing in COPY.  Maybe FAST_IO_COPY is moving the data from a readcJ buffer to a write buffer?  If so that extra copy, rather than just writingE out from the already filled buffer, would account for the factor of 2eJ difference.  The change wouldn't be evident going to a disk, but it shows  up on the RAMdisk test.e   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:20:03 -0600j/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>s$ Subject: Re: FAX file storage on VMS3 Message-ID: <3A70B4A3.E85FDA4E@applied-synergy.com>2   JF Mezei wrote:z >  > Chris Scheers wrote:  L > > Applied Synergy, Inc. has a VMS based FAX package called Q/FAX which can > > generate DDIF FAX files. > L > The problem is that DDIF never really caught on outside the VMS world (andO > even inside of VMS, DDIF isn't used by a lot of people, especially since they  > sold off the CDA converters.  B We come back to the question: To which mail package do you wish to deliver?  > If VMS mail, the DECwindows interface can display DDIF images.  B If going to a PC, our customers normally use the CDA converters to3 convert DDIF to TIFF and then forward it to the PC.   G ------------------------------------------------------------------------$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com c   Fax: 817-237-3074D   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:32:19 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o$ Subject: Re: FAX file storage on VMS, Message-ID: <3A70C58E.F255604D@videotron.ca>   Chris Scheers wrote:@ > If VMS mail, the DECwindows interface can display DDIF images.  # Good point. Hadn't thought of that.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:21:14 +0000e0 From: Bruce Pagram <bruce.pagram@dial.pipex.com>% Subject: Filename wildcards under VMS . Message-ID: <3A7098CA.A4D636F3@dial.pipex.com>   HiH     I have got some utilities written in C that I'm porting to VMS and ID am having trouble with wildcards.  Under Unix a command like "myprogH *.*" has the wildcard expanded by the shell and the filenames are passedD to the utility via argv.  In VMS this does not happen.  Any thought?   Thanks in advance    Brucee   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:50:04 -0500O- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> ) Subject: Re: Filename wildcards under VMSt( Message-ID: <3A709F8A.6F156832@ohio.edu>  D You are correct, that is the expected behavior.  This issue has beenH addressed, and once you see how to solve it, I predict you will copy and% paste whenever the need arises again!p   You might want tol   $ HELP SYSTEM_SERVICES   andd   $ SET DEF SYS$EXAMPLES:: $ DIR [...]*.C  G Others will probably respond with pointers to specific useful examples.   /                                             RDP      Bruce Pagram wrote:o   > HiJ >     I have got some utilities written in C that I'm porting to VMS and IF > am having trouble with wildcards.  Under Unix a command like "myprogJ > *.*" has the wildcard expanded by the shell and the filenames are passedF > to the utility via argv.  In VMS this does not happen.  Any thought? >h > Thanks in advance  >  > Bruce    --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jan 2001 22:18:11 GMT7 From: Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann) ) Subject: Re: Filename wildcards under VMS,0 Message-ID: <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-RNczlKdBiUwt@Tom2>   My way is :    $ say := write sys$outputu
 $ set noon $if p1 .eqs. ""d $then  $       say "usage :"aB $       say "@for_all *.* program [""/switches -other_switches""]" $       exit $endif	 $ goto l2c $l1:' $ say "''p2' ''file' ''p3' ''p4' ''p5'"h) $! 'p2' "''file'" "''p3'" "''p4'" "''p5'"z $ 'p2' 'file' 'p3' 'p4' 'p5'@ $ if f$locate("*","''p1'") .eq. f$length("''p1'") then goto exit $l2: $ file = f$search("''p1'")' $ if f$length(file) .ne. 0 then goto l1  $exit:   i.e. try @for_all *.c cc "/define=debug"a     Thomas Hahnemann    H On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:21:14, Bruce Pagram <bruce.pagram@dial.pipex.com> wrote:   > HiJ >     I have got some utilities written in C that I'm porting to VMS and IF > am having trouble with wildcards.  Under Unix a command like "myprogJ > *.*" has the wildcard expanded by the shell and the filenames are passedF > to the utility via argv.  In VMS this does not happen.  Any thought? >  > Thanks in advancei >  > Bruced >    ------------------------------   Date: 25 JAN 2001 22:55:03 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>n) Subject: Re: Filename wildcards under VMSe2 Message-ID: <25JAN01.22550371@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  1 Bruce Pagram <bruce.pagram@dial.pipex.com> wrote:o > HiJ >     I have got some utilities written in C that I'm porting to VMS and IF > am having trouble with wildcards.  Under Unix a command like "myprogJ > *.*" has the wildcard expanded by the shell and the filenames are passedF > to the utility via argv.  In VMS this does not happen.  Any thought?  A Correct - the VMS shell (DCL) does not expand wildcards.  I'd usetI LIB$FIND_FILE to do the wildcard expansion and LIB$FIND_FILE_END to cleanmB up afterwards.  See   HELP RTL LIB$ LIB$FIND_FILE   for more info.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVeH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2001 19:37:59 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)) Subject: Re: Filename wildcards under VMS + Message-ID: <7jWzF1k8hX7T@eisner.decus.org>   a In article <3A7098CA.A4D636F3@dial.pipex.com>, Bruce Pagram <bruce.pagram@dial.pipex.com> writes:n > HiJ >     I have got some utilities written in C that I'm porting to VMS and IF > am having trouble with wildcards.  Under Unix a command like "myprogJ > *.*" has the wildcard expanded by the shell and the filenames are passedF > to the utility via argv.  In VMS this does not happen.  Any thought?  E The GZIP 1.2.4 program at ftp://ftp.qsl.net/pub/wb8tyw/gzip/ has been # modified to do what you are asking.e  J The UN*X code is expecting to receive a comma delimited list of filenames.  F I modified that section of code where it was parsing that list to callG LIB$FIND_FILE on the file specification that was given it until no more  files were found.d  J Since in UN*X it is application dependent what to do with a list of files,> I do not know of a transparent general way of dealing with it.   -JohnE wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:48:25 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: Filename wildcards under VMSu7 Message-ID: <Zz5c6.119$cu.1074@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>e  a In article <3A7098CA.A4D636F3@dial.pipex.com>, Bruce Pagram <bruce.pagram@dial.pipex.com> writes:gI :    I have got some utilities written in C that I'm porting to VMS and IoE :am having trouble with wildcards.  Under Unix a command like "myprogaI :*.*" has the wildcard expanded by the shell and the filenames are passed E :to the utility via argv.  In VMS this does not happen.  Any thought?i    G   Neither the DCL shell nor the C RTL perform this wildcard replacementlH   file expansion operation.  There are calls in the C RTL and in OpenVMSH   to perform the filename lookup, but this does not occur automatically.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:14:55 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>o- Subject: Re: ftp'ing savesets from W2K to VMSr- Message-ID: <3A70CF8F.2BE9E838@earthlink.net>h   Tom Linden wrote:e > J > I think one needs to change block size.  Can someone give me the command< > to access the saveset.  It was transferred in binary mode. > tian   Start with:r  < $ SET FILE/ATTR=(RFM=FIX,LRL=2048,MRS=2048) saveset_filespec  	 Then, ...k  ' $ BACKUP/NOASSIST/LIST saveset_filespec-  E ...should produce enough of a listing to indicate with the real blockJD size should be. Then, repeat the SET FILE command and substitute the value shown in place of 2048.2   -- s David J. Dachterad dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.6   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:19:46 -0600 (CST)n From: sms@antinode.org- Subject: Re: ftp'ing savesets from W2K to VMSt) Message-ID: <01012519194638@antinode.org>-  7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>   
 > Start with:i> > $ SET FILE/ATTR=(RFM=FIX,LRL=2048,MRS=2048) saveset_filespec > Then, ...-) > $ BACKUP/NOASSIST/LIST saveset_filespeceH > ....should produce enough of a listing to indicate with the real blockF > size should be. Then, repeat the SET FILE command and substitute the > value shown in place of 2048.d  <    Or, save yourself a bunch of work, and use the aptly (andD over-longly) named RESET_BACKUP_SAVESET_ATTRIBUTES.COM, which may be: found at "http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/000TOOLS/G RESET_BACKUP_SAVESET_ATTRIBUTES.COM".  (Excluding comments, it's only a  little longer than its name.)   G    It knows where the block size is hidden, and it sets more attributes." right than are likely to be wrong.  E    Isn't some future version of BACKUP supposed to obviate this step?d  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)lC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)LG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)i9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)-   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:32:45 GMTc= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) - Subject: Re: ftp'ing savesets from W2K to VMS-0 Message-ID: <009F6A96.6FD4FCC3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <3A70CF8F.2BE9E838@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:n >Tom Linden wrote: >> cK >> I think one needs to change block size.  Can someone give me the commandh= >> to access the saveset.  It was transferred in binary mode.w >> tia >_ >Start with: > = >$ SET FILE/ATTR=(RFM=FIX,LRL=2048,MRS=2048) saveset_filespec  > 
 >Then, ... >s( >$ BACKUP/NOASSIST/LIST saveset_filespec > G >....should produce enough of a listing to indicate with the real blockdE >size should be. Then, repeat the SET FILE command and substitute the  >value shown in place of 2048.  3 What's wrong with a simple $ DUMP saveset_filespec?o   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             lO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:10:15 -0600S7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> - Subject: Re: ftp'ing savesets from W2K to VMSe- Message-ID: <3A70DC87.5DB01AA1@earthlink.net>r  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > i > In article <3A70CF8F.2BE9E838@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:_ > >Tom Linden wrote: > >>M > >> I think one needs to change block size.  Can someone give me the command ? > >> to access the saveset.  It was transferred in binary mode.e > >> tia > >o > >Start with: > >e? > >$ SET FILE/ATTR=(RFM=FIX,LRL=2048,MRS=2048) saveset_filespech > >n > >Then, ... > >/* > >$ BACKUP/NOASSIST/LIST saveset_filespec > >.I > >....should produce enough of a listing to indicate with the real blocknG > >size should be. Then, repeat the SET FILE command and substitute theB  > >value shown in place of 2048. > 5 > What's wrong with a simple $ DUMP saveset_filespec?e  F Since the /BLOCKSIZE can differ from the actual LRL/MRS of the saveset4 file, I don't think that's entirely reliable, AFAIK.   -- . David J. Dachteraw dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:05:20 -0800e) From: Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com>M- Subject: Re: Linux worm and RedHat 7.0 brokenGO Message-ID: <9E9F0CFF687640BD.3C59961D27F07293.1D8152C34BCD8589@lp.airnews.net>t   Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > Wayne Holland wrote:I > > It does look a lot better than any Linux distros tho.  But I'd ratherc > > have VMS if Ic& > > could afford it for personal uses. > 9 > Considering that a VMS Hobbyist license is 0 $ then ...  >  > Arne  . :-)  I didn't know then when I bought Solaris.C Getting the justification to stick another computer in the house is  another matter.  :-(    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:26:30 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comk- Subject: Re: Linux worm and RedHat 7.0 brokenlD Message-ID: <OFCB215C7A.F752EB0A-ON882569E0.0007E49A@foundation.com>  $ Then throw away the solaris box. :-)   Shanea          = Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com> on 01/25/2001 05:05:20 PMi   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr cc:e  . Subject:  Re: Linux worm and RedHat 7.0 broken     Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: >b > Wayne Holland wrote:H > > It does look a lot better than any Linux distros tho.  But I'd rath= er > > have VMS if Is& > > could afford it for personal uses. >y9 > Considering that a VMS Hobbyist license is 0 $ then ...l >  > Arne  . :-)  I didn't know then when I bought Solaris.C Getting the justification to stick another computer in the house ise another matter.d :-(i       =h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:40:24 GMT  From: krichman2001@my-deja.com/ Subject: Looking for Power Users of BIS systemst) Message-ID: <94qdh6$doa$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e   Hello -   D I am not sure this is the right forum, but I am looking to interview- power users of analytic tools of BIS systems.   D I have a plug-in to the major systems and would like feedback on it.  = I will pay $50 per hour of time, over the phone or in person.h  F Please contact me on this board, or on email at krichman2000@yahoo.com   Thanks,a   Keitha     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:30:43 +0000a0 From: Bruce Pagram <bruce.pagram@dial.pipex.com>7 Subject: Malloc bug - anyone else got the same problem? . Message-ID: <3A709B03.ABB9CFA5@dial.pipex.com>   Hi  F     There is a known bug in malloc() that is causing me problems and IH was wondering if anyone else had had the same problem, knew of the causeC etc.  In certain circumstances calls to malloc() generate a ROPRAND G (reserved operand) exception and crash the application.  Compaq know of E the bug the solution detailed in their support database is to rebuildeC the application using VAX C.  This works but is not ideal as we aretH standardising on Compaq C and need to be as ANSI as possible for reasonsE of portability.  The real problem is that Compaq do not know what thetG bug is and are asking for end users to send them as much information as0F possible to try and recreate the problem.  This is a non-deterministicE bug and the application throws the exception as different points eachAG time it is run. System loading and the size of the data being processedy seem to have some bearing.   Have the group any ideas?_   Thanks in advancet   Brucer   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:04:37 -0500i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ; Subject: Re: Malloc bug - anyone else got the same problem?t, Message-ID: <3A70B0F7.CC1250D0@videotron.ca>   Bruce Pagram wrote: J > was wondering if anyone else had had the same problem, knew of the causeE > etc.  In certain circumstances calls to malloc() generate a ROPRAND : > (reserved operand) exception and crash the application.   G Use deja to find a similar post by me a few months ago. I had a similargL problem. It was a most interesting bug (I beleive that I posted the cause on the web and how I fixed it).  H As I recall, it was my program calling one of my routines with the wrongL number of arguments quite some time before the malloc bug manifested itself.M That is when I learned the value of the function prototypes which I had hatedp so much before.n  N In other words, you may have a latent bug somewhere else in your program whichN screws your stack just enough that *eventually* malloc will fail. However, theC program seems to work fine for some time after the bug is inserted.u   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:32:54 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman); Subject: Re: Malloc bug - anyone else got the same problem? 7 Message-ID: <Gd6c6.120$cu.1078@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>p  a In article <3A709B03.ABB9CFA5@dial.pipex.com>, Bruce Pagram <bruce.pagram@dial.pipex.com> writes:1  G :    There is a known bug in malloc() that is causing me problems and I:I :was wondering if anyone else had had the same problem, knew of the causehD :etc.  In certain circumstances calls to malloc() generate a ROPRANDH :(reserved operand) exception and crash the application.  Compaq know ofF :the bug the solution detailed in their support database is to rebuild :the application using VAX C.o  E   Apparently OpenVMS VAX, but which OpenVMS version and which ECO(s)?3  D   I know of a problem in this area, the problem itself is fixed via D   VAXLIBR01_072.  (AFAIK, the problem involves looping and does not    trigger a ROPRAND.)g  D   I'd tend to be surprised to hear a Compaq recommendation that was G   involving the rebuilding of an application with a compiler or RTL as     old as VAX C.c  I   The C compiler itself has nothing to do with malloc (well, the compiler0F   does use malloc), as malloc is a creature of the C run-time library K   (RTL), and the C RTL specifically calls through to the LIB$ RTL routines oJ   for memory allocation and deallocation.  The VAX C RTL uses LIB$GET_VM, ,   while the Compaq C RTL uses LIB$VM_MALLOC.  E   The most common cause of malloc bug reports involve latent bugs in aH   the application source code -- there are a wide variety of mechanisms I   by which the linkages can be corrupted, causing malloc or free to fall  D   at some unspecified time.  The malloc and free calls see extensiveG   use -- while I will not claim the calls are bug-free (see above), thetM   calls do see heavy use by a variety of Compaq and third-party applications.   F   I do know of various cases where a detailed investigation found thatI   malloc or the underlying VM services were incorrectly suspected.  ThesepG   investigations are not easy.  One of these was personal -- after some=I   extensive digging, well, I found that I'd written an extra (null) byte  L   into a variable length data structure, and when the structure was exactly I   a multiple of eight in length, that was one byte too many for the heap dF   pointers.  Another case I've seen involves a zone control block thatK   was obliterated by an application.  I have also seen various cases where hJ   errors have arisen from resource exhaustion errors.  And then there are I   (real :-) RTL bugs, such as the looping bug in the LIB$ RTL referenced     above...    C   But I have learned to assume that my own code contains the bug...   D   In my experience, these bugs are almost found and resolved throughE   non-trivial effort, effort usually involving centralizing all calls'F   to memory managment into one module and implementing a debugging andE   detection technique sometimes known as "fenceposts".  I also prefer(G   to use the VM calls, because of the available features, the availablefH   statistics and integrity calls, and the availability of lookasides andI   zones; a personal preference based on debugging many of these problems. I   (I've also found that the applications that tend to have these bugs can F   also be the same applications that are hard to centralize the memoryD   management -- the malloc and free calls are scattered all over...)  I   The OpenVMS Ask The Wizard area has various related discussions: topics H   (1661), (2624), (2630), (2681), (3115), (3257), (3748), and (4808) may$   be of direct or indirect interest.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:53:01 -0500t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>v; Subject: Re: Malloc bug - anyone else got the same problem?g, Message-ID: <3A7102AA.AC5F1E3D@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: F >   In my experience, these bugs are almost found and resolved throughG >   non-trivial effort, effort usually involving centralizing all callssH >   to memory managment into one module and implementing a debugging and8 >   detection technique sometimes known as "fenceposts".    N When I did that to my program, it yielded absolutely no clue to the problem. IK was making a call to malloc with a length value that was reasonable/correct G and it would crash inside of malloc. The real problem had occured a few9J million CPU instructions prior to this happening  while procesing a record; positions a few back. (it wasn't even the previous record).d  L I had a call to a routine with wrong number of arguments that was being doneN only under certain circumstances. And the program wasn't bombing there becauseK that routine wasn't actually using that argument under those circumstances.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:38:54 GMTl" From: fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com>7 Subject: Re: Midrange I/O with VMS WAS: DS20 - Slow I/O ) Message-ID: <94q2su$3cu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>/  G That was hypothetical. I was making the point that Vol Shadow and Bounde Vol Sets don't support RAID5.t  F We actually have (4) 10KRPM 9Gig Ultra Disks. I expect them to perform' better than (1) 5400RPM 10Gig IDE Disk.   + In article <cscU7a6IG7Xk@eisner.decus.org>,h-   young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) wrote:dH > In article <94poic$p0v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com> writes: F > > I'm not opposed to the idea, but with so many powerful inexpensive RAIDF > > controllers out there, why would I opt for software mirroring overF > > hardware? Especially since we don't own Volume Shadowing Licenses,F > > and they're more expensive than a Mylex 64bit PCI RAID Controller. > >eG > > The other thing is that Volume Shadowing and bound volume sets givee youaD > > RAID 0 and RAID 1, and any combo of the two, but not RAID 5. ForF > > something like a DB server (SQL/Oracle) I'm all about RAID 10, but foraB > > an RMS based database and file sharing, my preference leans to* > > Distributed Data Guarding with Parity. > >  > 5 > 	You mentioned you had 3 - 18 Gig drives in a RAID5y configuration.A > 	If you expect to get 400 I/O per second out of them, you wouldm > 	be delusional.i >o > 	So what are your needs? >h	 > 				Rob  >O >V   --- *********************************************o( "All I every wanted from life was to see, Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace."     Sent via Deja.comf http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jan 2001 21:45:59 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)7 Subject: Re: Midrange I/O with VMS WAS: DS20 - Slow I/On, Message-ID: <94q6qn$9s3@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  N In article <94pqim$r1u$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com> writes:H >The SSD is a StorageWorks module DS-EZ832 mounted in a BA356 shelf withF >a -FA personality module.  The shelf is connected to a KZPCC (SymbiosG >53c895) controller which is capable of 80MB/s LVD operation.  That i/oe >subsytem looks like:  >KH >KZPCC (80MB/s LVD) --> BA356-FA (20MB/s Ultra) --> DS-EZ832 (40MB/s UW) >o  G How big is the SSD?  How much memory will a DS20 hold (4 Gb isn't it?) oK Could you live with putting these tables on a RAMDisk in the DS20s physicalc memory?   I I just posted some timing results where a 8326144 byte file was read fromP( and rewritten to RAMDISK on a DS10 using     $ copy fromfile tofile  C in .008 seconds.  That's 8326144/.008 = 1,040,768,000 bytes/second.eF You're NEVER going to get performance like that out of anything on theJ other end of a disk controller!  You said the table was 5Gb, if the tables> in question are <3.5 Gb or so you'd probably be best served by using the RAMdisk.  C Also, the DS20 has twice the memory bandwidth of the DS10, and mostsA of your accesses will be pure reads, so you could conceivably get-1 nearly 4Gb/second read speeds off of the RAMdisk.i   Just a thought...i  H >Let's play "spot the bottleneck", shall we?  In that config, the SSD isE >delivering ~13MB/s copying from dir --> dir within the device.  NoteeC >that there are no physical moving parts (head movement, rotationaleG >latency) to deal with.  Given the BA356-FA, that's a pretty good rate;pI >given the $10,000/GB price of the EZ832, I want all 40MB/s it is capableaI >of.  This i/o subsystem is destined to accomodate the Oracle indexes ando+ >the tables showing the greatest hot spots.e  < I think DS20 memory from third parties costs less than that.   >s$ >The other i/o subsystem looks like: >mG >KZPAC-CA (20MB/s/channel) --> internal split shelf --> 4 x DS-RZ1DD-VWi >eD >At the fastest (RAID 10 across two channels) we are seeing ~1.5MB/sG >copying dir --> dir within the array and ~6.5MB/s in a BACKUP to NLA0:-H >Given that a two channel array should have a peak performance of 40MB/sB >(to NLA0:), this is pathetic.  For comparison, a Sun Netra T1-105C >with a single disk delivers ~39MB/s TARring to /dev/null, which is5& >about all a single drive can sustain.  K Careful, are you sure that actually read the data from the disk, or did it -@ come out of file cache.  You have to really mess around with RMS; parameters to optimize BACKUP performance, how high did you H set /BUFFER and /BLOCK?  I also vaguely recall somebody saying that the H NLA0: device isn't the speediest thing in the world, although you really@ don't have much choice there.  (Be nice if there was some way toC set up a RAMdisk so that it was write only, that is, it looked likee6 a huge disk, but what you wrote to it just vaporized.)  G >The entire system only needs to support <20 users and less than 5GB of/I >data in the production database; cost-justifying a larger system will beB >quite difficult.   @ Buy memory, lots of memory, and you'll have a very fast system.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduh? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech 2   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jan 2001 14:51:34 PSTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)7 Subject: Re: Midrange I/O with VMS WAS: DS20 - Slow I/On3 Message-ID: <w75FVfF08ejC@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>-  * In article <94q2su$3cu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, )     	fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com> writes:.I > That was hypothetical. I was making the point that Vol Shadow and Bounds > Vol Sets don't support RAID5.i  H         But why do you insist on RAID 5  versus RAID 1+0?  RAID (3 or 5)H     has  known  performance  problems  for  WRITE  (that  are  generallyH     ameliorated  by  having  large  write-back   cache   in   the   RAIDH     controller).   RAID 1+0 does _not_ suffer the same WRITE performanceH     problems and you can (or may be able  to) avoid the need for as much     (write-back) cache memory.  H > We actually have (4) 10KRPM 9Gig Ultra Disks. I expect them to perform) > better than (1) 5400RPM 10Gig IDE Disk..  H         While  I've  only  been   scanning   this  thread,  not  readingH     carefully, it would seem your SCSI controller is the bottleneck.  OrH     do you have these 9GB drives in a RAID 5 set?  If the latter, you'reH     probably  seeing the performance degradation on WRITEs to RAID sets.*     Either that, or SCSI bus contention...           -Ken -- .M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edui:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:28:14 -0700d1 From: "Phillip D. Williams" <edhouse00@qwest.net>2  Subject: Moving Datatrieve files2 Message-ID: <aX6c6.2130$8q.602354@news.uswest.net>   Hello - I have a system with VMS 5.5-2 and Datatrieve75 4.3. I have finally decide to do-waway with the 5.5-2t9 system and just install 7.2. Question is since I will notd2 be doing a upgrade, how do I get Datatrieve 7.1 to; read the old 4.3 files?? I really dont feel like recreatinge, all the Datatrieve domains,definitions, etc. Thanks p.s.4 Has anyone ever went from Excel/Access to Datatrieve or the other way around??? phillip    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:16:14 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)! Subject: Re: MPACK/MUNPACK images ; Message-ID: <3a707b7e.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>H  8 Miller, Daniel (Daniel.Miller@nightfreight.co.uk) wrote:M > Does anyone have or know where i can get images for MPACK / MUNPACK for VMS  > 7.2-1?  0 I have VMS Alpha 6.2 images (plus help files) at3 http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/mpack15.exec/ (Info-ZIPped and made executable for VMS Alpha)e$ They should run seamlessly under 7.x   cu,    Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.desK One OS to bring them all      |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/d> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:46:26 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: Re: MPACK/MUNPACK imagesc7 Message-ID: <6y5c6.118$cu.1074@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>   p In article <3a707b7e.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:9 :Miller, Daniel (Daniel.Miller@nightfreight.co.uk) wrote:BN :> Does anyone have or know where i can get images for MPACK / MUNPACK for VMS	 :> 7.2-1?i1 :I have VMS Alpha 6.2 images (plus help files) ate4 :http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/mpack15.exe    H   Is there have a kit (sources and pre-built images) here (or elsewhere)6   that can be submitted for the next OpenVMS Freeware?    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:52:54 +0100) From: bob.marcan@aster.sis6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS : solid but low profile - by CNET( Message-ID: <3A70A036.4E410E56@aster.si>  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > H > I am really worried about the future of OpenVMS after the launching of > IA-64 .... > J > Compaq will be really busy in launching the new proliants these times... > 	 > Regardss >  > FC >   7 http://www.tweakers.net/reviews.dsp?Document=204&Page=1    :)   --  @  Bob Marcan                           mailto:bob.marcan@aster.si?  Aster                                tel:    +386 (1) 5894-329o?  Nade Ovcakove 1                      fax:    +386 (1) 5894-201t@  1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia                    http://www.aster.si   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:55:10 -0500i& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: OpenVMS problem6 Message-ID: <ft%b6.1520$xh7.10857@weber.videotron.net>  + Your OPCOM process is probably not started.a $ sh sys/proc=opcom15 To start it, I think you do @sys$system:startup opcomo Never had to do it in years...   Syltrems  V <mikeg_myson@my-deja.com> a crit dans le message news: 94piro$j0c$1@nnrp1.deja.com...0 Can anyone help?? We are running OpenVMS version/ 7.2-1. When I try to make my terminal the opcomn/ by typing in REPLY/ENABLE at the command line IN2 get the message %SYSTEM-F-MBFULL, mailbox is full.+ Anyone know how I can empty this mailbox or , indeed how I can identify what mailbox it is bleeting on about?   Mike.g     Sent via Deja.comp http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:27:50 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)? Subject: Re: Porting WinAPI (was Re: About X-Windows x ICA/RDP)h7 Message-ID: <qo4c6.116$cu.1097@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>   * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:G : If the idea of porting Unix code is accepted for OpenVMS sysmans, whyy! : not port MS applications too ??l  H   please review the history of Bristol Technologies Wind/U, and related.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:41:54 -020061 From: "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br>e' Subject: Printing problems in TCPIP (2)e3 Message-ID: <002101c08720$04fbfbe0$d2010001@desenv>   E     Thank you Mr. Phil Howell for your information, but when I changes  C     the printer symbiont to tcpip$lprsetup, the server queues didn=  =B4t  -     print nothing, and I receive this output:a   >RD > > Server queue PR$CMP_UNP_SCR_3, stopped on ALPHA1::, mounted form cart_132 > >   <32.0.0.17 > > >e8 > >   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  StatusF > >   -----     -------               --------           ------      = ------; > >       530  CAD4180X        PR_UNPCMP_SC      1  Pendingb9 > >    2510  NOTAS_33        PR_UNPCMP_SC      3  Pendingb9 > >    2562  NOTAS_33        PR_UNPCMP_SC      3  Pending 9 > >    2583  NOTAS_33        PR_UNPCMP_SC      3  Pendingn9 > >    3359  NOTAS_50        PR_UNPCMP_SC      3  Pendingt  D  I issue the command Start/queue pr$cmp_unp_scr_3, with no success !    What is happening ?  E  I=B4d like to get more information about using TCPIP in VMS to printt  (  jobs. What Compaq manual should I get ?  E  Is there any site in the Internet where I can get more knowledgementl  :  to use and configurate server queues in TCPIP under VMS ?     Thank you in advance !     ----- Original Message -----3 =46rom: "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br>a To: <valdemir-@uol.com.br>' Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 2:24 PMi' Subject: En: Printing problems in TCPIPu     >a > ----- Original Message -----/ > From: Phil Howell <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>c > To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>i* > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 12:13 AM) > Subject: Re: Printing problems in TCPIPb >  >i4 > > In my job we use TCPIP under OpenVMS V7.2-1, but- > > we are experience troubles printing jobs.g0 > > When I send a job to the queue, I have this: > >s > > F > > Server queue PR$CMP_UNP_SCR_3, busy, on ALPHA1::, mounted form CA= RT_132 > >   <32.0.0.17 > > > 8 > >   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  StatusF > >   -----     -------               --------           ------      = ------< > >    2177  NOTAS_33        PR_UNPCMP_SC      3  Processing; > >       530  CAD4180X        PR_UNPCMP_SC      1  Pendings9 > >    2510  NOTAS_33        PR_UNPCMP_SC      3  Pendingy9 > >    2562  NOTAS_33        PR_UNPCMP_SC      3  Pending 9 > >    2583  NOTAS_33        PR_UNPCMP_SC      3  Pendinge9 > >    3359  NOTAS_50        PR_UNPCMP_SC      3  Pending  > >e > > > > >   Jobs stay in Processing status, but nothing is printed ! > > A > >    The only way to release these jobs is reseting the printera > >m > >    (Lexmark Optra 1255). > >o+ > > I've never used these printers but ....n > >zD > >    What can I to do to solve this problem ? Is there any command > >b( > >    in TCPIP to analyse the network ? > >wA > > Use tcpiptrace to identify traffic between the 2 ip addresseso > > ($ help tcpiptrace) % > >  Is there any log file to analysei > >l  > >    the printer under TCPIP ? > >aF > > The location of logfiles for printers is defined in your printcap=  file  > > ($ show log tcpip$printcap)c > >sA > >    I have 200 printer under TCPIP in my job, and we have much  > >a > >    troubles like this !o > > ) > >    I use this command to init queues:  > >e > > $ INIT/QUEUE/START-  > > $           /OWNER=3D[1,4]-a  > > $           /DEFAULT=3DFLAG-  > > $           /RETAIN=3DERROR-! > > $           /DEVICE=3DSERVER-)) > > $           /PROCESS=3DTCPIP$LPD_SMB- ! > > $           /FORM=3DCART_132- . > > $           /DESCRIP=3D""''IP_ADDRESS'""-"@ > > $           /PROTECTION=3D(S:E,G:R,W:W,O:D) ''SERVER_QUEUE'" > >c > >  It=B4s right ?- > >-( > > You "should" use  tcpip$lprsetup.exe > >0B > > Try to ping the printer's network card by address $ tcpip ping > > <nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn>o# > > then by name $tcpip ping <name>7F > > Stop/reset the queue and try to telnet to the printer and enter "= /" tos > show > > configuration C > >  if you get connection refused then something else is using it.n? > > Reset the printer and try increasing the timeout parameter? = > > Are any non-vms jobs going to this printer by any chance?  > > Phil > >p > >. > >  > >I >d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:26:03 -0600a7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>a+ Subject: Re: Printing problems in TCPIP (2)l- Message-ID: <3A70D22B.39233E1E@earthlink.net>o   "Valdemir J. Santos" wrote:s > G >     Thank you Mr. Phil Howell for your information, but when I changeh > F >     the printer symbiont to tcpip$lprsetup, the server queues didnt >  >     print nothing   4 I think you misunderstood. He meant that you should:   $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$LPRSETUPe  8 ...and the program will help you set up your LPD queues.   --   David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.0   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jan 2001 23:21:53 EST2 From: anon314@mail.ourservers.net (Anonymous #314)6 Subject: Question: Info. Needed On SHD51-ZZ Drive Box.1 Message-ID: <PP7kqRrJi0cm@cartman.ourservers.net>,  F I have a drive chassis box that I've been given and I'm trying to find information on it.  M It says it's SHD51-ZZ and it's full of drive canisters (with drives in them).i  G I would appreciate any information or links to information on this box.n  J I've tried search the Compaq/DEC site and true to form all the information4 that I used to rely on is gone, true to Compaq form.   Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 04:54:45 GMTD' From: benmyers@ultranet.com (Ben Myers) : Subject: Re: Question: Info. Needed On SHD51-ZZ Drive Box.4 Message-ID: <3a7102e4.59057007@news.ma.ultranet.com>  F Nice gift!  Why not open up one of the canisters to see what's inside.D At least you'll know the capacity of the drives you're dealing with.  
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Ben Myersy  3 anon314@mail.ourservers.net (Anonymous #314) wrote:*   >*G >I have a drive chassis box that I've been given and I'm trying to findr >information on it.s >PN >It says it's SHD51-ZZ and it's full of drive canisters (with drives in them). >-H >I would appreciate any information or links to information on this box. >.K >I've tried search the Compaq/DEC site and true to form all the information 5 >that I used to rely on is gone, true to Compaq form.c >< >Thanks in advance.j >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:01:39 +0100 2 From: Andreas Stiller <Andreas.Stiller@netsurf.de>8 Subject: Re: Rdb structure recovery after backup/noimage) Message-ID: <3A707813.957EDDE@netsurf.de>0   Hi,D   what you can do is:   G - search for RUJ files again and again (the best way, but probably done  without success) - use following commands $ RMU/ALTERm HELP DEPOSIT_ROOTSF    read "description", it is important to understand that the databaseG is eternally marked corrupt after the    patch, and if does not matter:e DISPLAY ROOT USER *     for all users listed do* DEPOSIT ROOT USER <user> RUJ_FILENAME = ""    and finally COMMIT  A Then try to find and get rid of constraint violations with a fulleC RMU/VERIFY and maybe some RMU/REPAIR sessions. At last create a newt; database and transfer data from restored DB to the new one.G  D I can say that I luckily didn't had to use these commands up to now.H Means the commands above are not tested by me. All hints are without any	 warranty.D  	 Good lucks Andreas      Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr schrieb: > J > I have a tape with an image backup of an Rdb (7.0.14) database. The diskK > was a raid set made of two RZ28. I had to build a new machine without HSZfH > controllers, so I did a VMS volumeset to get sufficient disk space and > restored the backup on-line. > D > When I wish to access the database via sql, I get an Rdb crashdumpH > complaining about no access to its .RUJ. I understand that Rdb doesn'tK > like very much its new disk structure. So, I went to RMUG/Alter and triedmE > different combinations of verify, uncorrupt and so on which gave no 	 > errors.t > ; > But when I do an RMU/verify mydb.rdb I get the same dump:  > 6 > ***** Exception at 0003D4C4 : DBR$RECOVER + 000009048 > %RDMS-F-FILACCERR, error opening run-unit journal file/ > DISK$USER:[RDM$RUJ]ISLK_DB$00015E70E57E.RUJ;1s > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found >  > R0  (V  ) 000000000059A2C0:iE >     696E752D6E757220676E696E65706F18  0059A2C0   '.opening run-uni'eE >     000000000000006C616E72756F6A2074  0059A2D0   't journal.......'pE >     0000000100000100FFC88A78FFC88A78  0059A2E0   'x..x..........'eE >     52244D44525B3A52455355244B534944  0059A2F0   'DISK$USER:[RDM$R'aE >     35313030302442445F4B4C53495D4A55  0059A300   'UJ]ISLK_DB$00015'eE >     000000313B4A55522E45373545303745  0059A310   'E70E57E.RUJ;1...'o > J > and actually it doesn't exist. What command should I make to rebuild the > whole environment of my base?l	 > Thanks,m >  > D. >  > Sent via Deja.come > http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:41:38 -0500c2 From: "Carmine Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com>2 Subject: Relative merits of LPD vx TELNET printing+ Message-ID: <94q6ig$ruh$1@bob.news.rcn.net>d  ? Sorry if this is a widely known subject but it's unclear to me:h  K Given OpenVMS v 7.1-1H2 and DECNet Phase IV (UCX), which is the better/mostiG efficient/most desirable/etc form of printer management: UCX$LPD_SMB or  UCX$TELNETSYM?   ------------------------------   Date: 25 JAN 2001 22:00:46 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)6 Subject: Re: Relative merits of LPD vx TELNET printing6 Message-ID: <25JAN01.22004663@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  J In a previous article, "Carmine Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com> wrote:  M ->Given OpenVMS v 7.1-1H2 and DECNet Phase IV (UCX), which is the better/mostuI ->efficient/most desirable/etc form of printer management: UCX$LPD_SMB ore ->UCX$TELNETSYM?  L I'd say TELNETSYM hands down. No extra UCX service to setup and fiddle with.M We have scores of printers running on TELNETSYM - never had any need to setup  LPD.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2001 17:33:31 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)n6 Subject: Re: Relative merits of LPD vx TELNET printing* Message-ID: <94q9jr$1c9$1@lisa.gemair.com>  6 In article <25JAN01.22004663@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>,5 Carl Karcher <karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu> wrote:cK >In a previous article, "Carmine Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com> wrote:  >pN >->Given OpenVMS v 7.1-1H2 and DECNet Phase IV (UCX), which is the better/mostJ >->efficient/most desirable/etc form of printer management: UCX$LPD_SMB or >->UCX$TELNETSYM?e >sM >I'd say TELNETSYM hands down. No extra UCX service to setup and fiddle with. N >We have scores of printers running on TELNETSYM - never had any need to setup >LPD..  F It's been a few years since I've setup printers with either, but isn'tE there considerable extra flexibility with LPD?  You can have printersiG that are actually managed on other LPD supporting machines (Windows NT,,? Unix) interchangeably with those that are  managed by your VMS -F machines.  Also, other OS's that support lpr (the client side of LPD) 3 could print to your VMS attached printers with LPD..  1 I never had any problem with the UCX LPD service.   ? I didn't want to comment as I thought someone with more recent e experience would pipe up here.  G Of course, YMMV.  If you don't have any printers managed by these other E OS's, and this includes locally attached (LPT1:) to Windows NT boxes,eF nor anyone who might want to print via lpr from other platforms, then 7 TELNETSYM may well be the only thing you'll ever need. i  H In most places, I could see having both.  TELNETSYM is simpler to setup, but LPD has more flexibility.t   -Jordan Henderson. jordan@greenapple.comt   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:27:01 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)16 Subject: Re: Relative merits of LPD vx TELNET printing0 Message-ID: <009F6A95.A33B9C60@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <94q6ig$ruh$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Carmine Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com> writes:@ >Sorry if this is a widely known subject but it's unclear to me: >PL >Given OpenVMS v 7.1-1H2 and DECNet Phase IV (UCX), which is the better/mostH >efficient/most desirable/etc form of printer management: UCX$LPD_SMB or >UCX$TELNETSYM?b >f >V   Carmine,  I UCX and DECnet Phase IV are two different beasts.  UCX is the name of theeH TCP/IP implementation.  DECnet Phase IV is a non-TCP/IP network protocol< developed by d|i|g|i|t|a|l.  Just wanted to clear that up...   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM.            nO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.:   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:40:52 GMTR2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman): Subject: Re: REPLY MBFULL error (was: Re: OpenVMS problem)7 Message-ID: <Us5c6.117$cu.1074@gazette.loc1.tandem.com>e  I In article <94pj33$jb0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mikeg_myson@my-deja.com writes:u@ :Can anyone help?? OpenVMS version 7.1-2. When trying to make myG :terminal the opcom by typing in REPLY/ENABLE I get the error message %hH :SYSTEM-F-MBFULL, mailbox is full. Anyone any idea how I can detect what; :mailbox is full and exactly what vms is bleeting on about?   @   The specific system type, and is this system a cluster member?  F   It appears that OPCOM or one of the other core system components hasE   been shut down, has not been started, or has failed.  (Certain corelD   components are not started in certain system configurations, hence%   the question on the configuration.)a  E   If the system is intentionally configured without the audit server,-G   you must appropriately reconfigure the flags for the system parameterr   SECURITY_POLICY.  H   If you are not intentionally running without the audit server or OPCOMJ   or object server started, please check for dumps or log files (typicallyK   new SYS$SYSTEM:*.DMP or *.LOG files), attempt to determine the problem(s)uI   reported, and attempt to restart.  (For OPCOM, use @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP oL   OPCOM.  For the audit server, use the DCL command SET AUDIT/SERVER=START.)  G   Check for and apply available ECOs for this OpenVMS release and -- if F   the problem persists after application of the ECOs -- please contactJ   the folks at the Compaq Customer Support Center directly for assistance H   in resolving this problem.  (Some digging into the current environment   will likely be required.).   	--o  G   You might want to see if another fellow is also seeking an answer to 1G   this same question in parallel, via the Ask The Wizard area.  (Though H   the other nearly-identical question involved a system running V7.2-1.)  G   Please remember to select a title that is specific to the problem or gF   question to best attract the attention of folks that might know the F   answer, or be more familiar with the problem area.  (The choice of aI   good subject tend to help you get the answer you seek, and potentially e*   to get an answer more quickly.)  Thanks!  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:30:27 -0800:* From: Art Ragosta <aragosta@ix.netcom.com>" Subject: Re: Run .com Every 5 Min?- Message-ID: <3A70E143.CFF878A8@ix.netcom.com>r   Ken Kazama wrote:f  < > How can I run a command procedure in batch every 5 miutes?/ > I don't find any SUBMIT option can do this...h  $ Check out Kronos on the freeware CD.   --       ---------- He who walks the dark path   Defender of the earth-     Beloved of Ra    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jan 2001 21:40:22 GMT7 From: Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann)2 Subject: samba 2.0.60 Message-ID: <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-LeCkmgWUWDcV@Tom2>  $  OpenVMS 7.1 and Compaq C V6.2-003 :' how can I compile frontport and samba ?b. In which oder have i to run the com-procedures% an which parameter have I to supply ?c$ Do I need an other make than gmake ?+ What is CMS ? Where can I get MMS and MMK ?t   Regardsn   Thomas Hahnemann   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2001 22:25:08 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg) Subject: Re: samba 2.0.6+ Message-ID: <aIZVp10PwE79@eisner.decus.org>   0 In article <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-LeCkmgWUWDcV@Tom2>,9 Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann) writes:N [reordered questions]b& >  OpenVMS 7.1 and Compaq C V6.2-003 :   > Where can I get MMS and MMK ?N  D MMS is the short name for Module Management System.  It has a syntaxC that is similar to "make" and there may be some "makefile." that itC can process.  C It is a product available from Compaq and a license to use it is onsC the OpenVMS Hobbyist layered products key kit.  I do not know if ito is on the Hobbyist media.t  C MMK is the short name for MadGoat MaKe.  It is a pretty close cloneiB of MMS.  MMK is available on the OpenVMS FREEWARE CD-ROMs and also8 at many download locations mentioned in the OpenVMS FAQ.  & > Do I need an other make than gmake ?  9 Yes, the *.MMS procedures will require either MMS or MMK.r   > What is CMS ?u  E CMS stands for Code Management System.  It tracks revisions of sourcenE code.  It stores the source code in a format that allows the recoveryhC of any generation checked in.  It also has other tools to assist ini& managing groups of files and releases.  F A license to use CMS is on the OpenVMS layered products key kit.  I do) not know if CMS is on the Hobbyist media.e  G I use CMS to track most of the personal projects that I do.  One of theeD features of CMS is to have a reference directory where CMS keeps theI current generation of the file available so that you do not need to fetch  it.a  9 CMS is not required to compile either FRONTPORT or SAMBA.-    C When I do a project, I have a separate work directory tree from theTG CMS reference directory tree.  Usually on separate devices or concealed  rooted logical names.   E A concealed rooted logical name allows you to isolate directory trees F on a single device so that they appear to each be on their own disk to
 the software._  D Supposing that you have only one disk, like SYS$SYSDEVICE:.  You can3 make it look like you have multiple disks this way.s  2 $create/dir sys$sysdevice:[project_root]/prot=w:re. $create/dir sys$sysdevice:[cms_root]/prot=w:re  6 Then in the SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGICALS.COM you would have:  8 $defcon := define/system/executive/translation=concealed2 $defcon project_root sys$sysdevice:[project_root.]* $defcon cms_root sys$sysdevice:[cms_root.]  9 Note the "." before the end of the directory end bracket.t  > When the logical names are defined, you should be able to do a $dir project_root:[000000]& just like it was it's own disk volume.      ) > how can I compile frontport and samba ?d0 > In which oder have i to run the com-procedures' > an which parameter have I to supply ?e  F First FRONTPORT, it is much simpler as everything is in one directory.  7 The instructions for building frontport are in the filee FRONTPORT_DOCUMENTATION.TXT.   The simple form:  ' 1. Unzip the source kit in a directory.-  < 2. Run the procedure SETUP_FRONTPORT_BUILD.COM to set up the&    logical names needed for the build.  9 3. If you have MMS, use the command MMS/DESCRIP=FRONTPORT 5    to compile and link the main program.  If you haveE%    MMK then use MMK/DESCRIP=FRONTPORTE  : 4. Running the FRONTPORT_STARTUP.COM will compile and link    the helper images.   7 If you want LINK maps, compile listings or /DEBUG, theni: you need to set up symbols for CC and LINK to modify their	 behavior.    Now the more advanced form:t  < 1a. If you have CMS and want to use it to track your changes9     then unzip the source in a work directory and use the 9     CMS commands to create a CMS library with a referenceg:     directory and load the source into it.  Create a class<     that corresponds to the revision of Frontport source you:     downloaded, "V1.0-ECO2" and put all the source in that;     class.  This should remove all the files from your workm:     directory and put then in the CMS reference directory.  < 1b. I use CMS_ROOT:[FRONTPORT] as my CMS reference directory7     for the FRONTPORT project.  If you do not have CMS,o9     then just create a CMS_ROOT:[FRONTPORT] directory ande=     unzip the files in that.  If you do not have CMS, I would =     recommend setting the protection of the files so that youu2     only have read and execute permission on them.  ; 2.  The source files should now be all in the CMS referencea7     directory, and your work directory should be empty./  8     Let's say that PROJECT_ROOT:[FRONTPORT] is your work7     directory and CMS_ROOT:[FRONTPORT] is the referenceV     library.  0 3.  Set your default to PROJECT_ROOT:[FRONTPORT]  D 4.  Run the procedure @CMS_ROOT:[FRONTPORT]SETUP_FRONTPORT_BUILD.COM=     to set up the logical names for the build.  Do not change 1     your default directory to run this procedure.-  : 5.  if you have MMS use MMS/DESCRIP=FPORT_SRC:FRONTPORT or/     for MMK use MMK/DESCRIP=FPORT_SRC:FRONTPORTc  <     Now all of your binaries will be in your work directory.  :     At this point you will need to collect the objects and7     images your self and move them where you want them.t    > How the advanced form works is that the logical name FPORT_SRC< is defined as a search list for PROJECT_ROOT:[FRONTPORT] and: CMS_ROOT:[FRONTPORT].  The actual build procedure does not8 really care about the device or directory names, it just5 examines the environment it is in and figures it out.      Once it is built:-  ?     I keep a directory CMS_ROOT:[FRONTPORT.RELEASE] where I putD>     the binaries that are part of the binary distribution kit.  ;     You will need to manually copy the new binaries to your9=     actual destinations.  Remember to reinstall any images or "     you will not see your changes.  ?     The FRONTPORT images are installed for performance reasons.w=     the FRONTPORTP image is a User Written System Service ands%     must be installed for it to work.h  >     To test applications with FRONTPORT library different than>     the version that is installed, you can use a logical name.  =     If you want to use FRONTPORT and you are on a system thatm?     you do not have elevated privileges, the only functionalityh<     that you will lose are the setuid() function and fcntl()6     being able to report the holder of a blocked lock.    @ And now that you have been through the simple case for FRONTPORT8 building SAMBA for OpenVMS can be explained more easily.  : Samba is much more complex as it is supplied with multiple  directories in a tree structure.  = In addition, the UNIX code is changing at a rapid rate, and I , have no control over what those changes are.  A I needed to keep track of the changes in the UNIX code separatelyn. from the changes in the OpenVMS specific code.  = So I set up a work directory PROJECT_ROOT:[SAMBA_VMS] for thee? binaries and the OpenVMS specific source files that were a workrE in progress.  The next time I may use PROJECT_ROOT:[SAMBA_VMS.SOURCE] " to be more consistent with naming.  F I set up a CMS_ROOT:[SAMBA_VMS.SOURCE...] for containing the reference0 directory tree for the OpenVMS specific changes.  B A second SAMBA CMS directory CMS_ROOT:[SAMBA...] was setup for theC unmodified UNIX source.  There was also a work directory associatede8 with the UNIX source that was not involved in the build.  E What I had is a DCL procedure that when I unpacked a new UNIX release B of SAMBA, it would do a MASS difference of all of the files in theC directory tree and update the CMS library for the ones that changeddE and remove the ones that did not change from the reference directory.,  A This left me with a hopefully a much smaller set of files with tod: examine for changes that could affect the OpenVMS version.    : The file BUILDING_SAMBA_VMS.TXT describes the procedure to9 build SAMBA 2.0.6 for OpenVMS from source.  Pay attentionu8 to the JTQUOTA requirements for the account used for the build.    ; So if you follow the directions in the SAMBA source kit andn? unzip the UNIX source kit in a directory like CMS_ROOT:[SAMBA],t9 and unzip the OpenVMS specific source in a directory likeO8 CMS_ROOT:[SAMBA_VMS].  Then create a work directory like PROJECT_ROOT:[SAMBA_VMS].:  9 Then you set your default directory to the work directoryf6 such as PROJECT_ROOT:[SAMBA_VMS] and run the procedure7 CMS_ROOT:[SAMBA_VMS.SOURCE]SETUP_SAMBA_VMS_BUILD.COM it > will create sub-directories and logical names to do the build.  : The use of search lists means new files are created in the: work directory tree, and files are first looked for in the: work directory, then the CMS_ROOT:[SAMBA_VMS...] tree, and last in the UNIX source tree.B  : If you substitute the UNIX SAMBA 2.0.7 source for the UNIX= SAMBA 2.0.6 source tree there is a good chance it will build.o= You would have to examine the differences between the modulesa: in the CMS_ROOT:[SAMBA_VMS...]tree for conflicts.  Use the: file SAMBA_VMS_2_0_6_SOURCE_NOTES as a guide.  Some of the; modules in the SAMBA_VMS source tree are only there becausec9 they have bug fixes needed by SAMBA for OpenVMS that wereT( not in the yet in the UNIX distribution.  ; There is also a good chance that there was a change that isu= not compatable with OpenVMS that the FRONTPORT library or thea( CONFIG.H does not know how to deal with.    @ If you do not want to use a search list for building SAMBA 2.0.6> for OpenVMS, then you can UNZIP the SAMBA_UNIX source first in= a directory, and then UNZIP the SAMBA OpenVMS specific sourcer8 over it.  You can then run the SETUP_SAMBA_VMS_BUILD.COM? procedure and it will properly set up the logical names for the A build.  Note that I do not use it that way, so I am not 100% surem( that everything works as designed there.  < I did discover a bug in the SETUP_SAMBA_VMS_BUILD.COM, it is? supposed to set up a global symbol __ALPHA__ on an ALPHA systemC= in order for MMS or MMK to properly handle the ALPHA specifici3 build.  It is only setting it up as a local symbol.e  = This only affects you if you are using MMS, MMK automatically-< assigns this symbol for you internally if needed and it does not already exist.  ? I had the symbol __ALPHA__ == "TRUE" in my SYLOGIN.COM so I didP" not notice it until just recently.  > After you get the logical names set up, using either directory* structure, then you can do the build with:  * MMS/DESCRIP=SMB_SRC:SAMBA.MMS !mms version  + MMK/DESCRIP=SMB_SRC:SAMBA.MMS !MadGoat MaKes  @ I use specificly named .MMS files to prevent accidents where one7 "makefile." could get accidentally copied over another.a    ) I hope this is enough to get you started.   
 Good Luck, -Johne wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:11:49 -0500s- From: "Island Computers" <sales@islandco.com>h9 Subject: Selling: XP1000  21264A  EV6 + 2Gb Memory + More . Message-ID: <t71n7tcenes41@corp.supernews.com>  " We have three XP1000 used just in.   Configured as follows:   500Mhz1 2Gb Memory (8 x 256Mb Registered DIMM ECC 100Mhz)s/ 18Gb 10KRPM Disk on board Ultra Wide Controllert Elsa Gloria Synergy 8Mb PCI-: OpenVMS Base license and NAS150 (New from Compaq) + 1 User  
 $7150 each  E Shipping: $40 in the USA and $200 Europe and Australia/Japan/Far Eastr   We accept Visa and Mastercard   L These are in excellent condition and have at least 1 year of Compaq warranty left on them     Island Computers US Corporationt 2700 Gregory Streetn Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622c Fax:912 201 0096 sales@islandco.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:13:51 GMTt0 From: Chris Townley <chris@townleyc.demon.co.uk>0 Subject: Re: Shareable image with DEC-C question) Message-ID: <94qq1a$ofh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>u  , In article <3A6F9423.112E2626@videotron.ca>,0   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:( > If have the following snippet of code: >: <snip> > > > Now, I take this, and compile/link it into a shareable image with "myopen" andv8 > "mylog" declared as universal symbols. If the image is installed /shared, will>E > "myfile"  be allocated in the process heap (each process having itsa owniE > private copy), or will it reside inside the shareable image, shared' by all. > processes whose image is linked against it ? >hE > If the above would result in a single "myfile" being shared amongsto all D > processes, is there a way to declare it so that each process would have its > own private copy ? >wD Simple, do not install it as shared. That is usually the purpose, so! that users all run a single copy.w   -- chris@townleyc.demon.co.uk townleyc@spicers.ltd.ukl     Sent via Deja.comA http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:06:45 -0600y7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 8 Subject: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V, Message-ID: <3A70DBB5.3F1B4EC@earthlink.net>   O.k., Folks,  5 I know when to throw in the towel and ask for help...   A Can *ANY*one give me the NCL equivalent of the following command?c   $ MC NCP NCP> SET NODE 1.23 NAME NEWNOD  A DECNET_MIGRATE was stumped, the documentation is useless, and theO8 on-line HELP in NCL is slightly less than useless (beingA incomprehensible, it's hard to know just what is or isn't there).E  A I understand that Phase-V lacks a permanent database (*THAT*'s anm8 *UP*grade???!!!); so I used SET above instead of DEFINE.  D Alternatively, has anyone managed to master the process of upgrading from Phase-V to Phase-IV?o   -- h David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.y   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jan 2001 18:13:40 PSTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)< Subject: Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V3 Message-ID: <K35iwV3wG97k@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>P  - In article <3A70DBB5.3F1B4EC@earthlink.net>, o=     "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:lC > Can *ANY*one give me the NCL equivalent of the following command?t > 
 > $ MC NCP  > NCP> SET NODE 1.23 NAME NEWNOD  2         Not NCL, but the documented method is to,   $     		RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECNET_REGISTER  H     (or use MCR for less typing  :-).   This  presents a menu which willH     allow  you to register a DECNET IV address in the "local" name space>     for DECNET-Plus.  ...Hope I got the terminaolgy correct...    C > I understand that Phase-V lacks a permanent database (*THAT*'s ana: > *UP*grade???!!!); so I used SET above instead of DEFINE.  H         Yeep.  At least  mostly.   The  permanant  database  for variousH     configuration  items  is replaced by disk files, usually having  theH     extension  .NCL,  but  not  always.   However,  the  equivalent   ofH     NETNODE_REMOTE.DAT  is SYS$SYSTEM:NET$LOCAL_NAME_DATABASE.DAT and isH     a indexed file.   Presumably  if  you  configured  other name spaces.     you'd have additional files like this one.  F > Alternatively, has anyone managed to master the process of upgrading > from Phase-V to Phase-IV?1  H         Nope.  Just installed DECNET-Plus "clean" on a new Alpha system,H     then worried about  getting  the  data  from NETNODE_REMOTE into the     DECNET-PLus system...a           -Ken -- cM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Eduh:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:52:44 -0600e7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>p< Subject: Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V- Message-ID: <3A70E67C.378FCB33@earthlink.net>I  9 "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" wrote:e > . > In article <3A70DBB5.3F1B4EC@earthlink.net>,? >     "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:0E > > Can *ANY*one give me the NCL equivalent of the following command?a > >6 > > $ MC NCP" > > NCP> SET NODE 1.23 NAME NEWNOD > 3 >         Not NCL, but the documented method is to,H > 0 >                 RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECNET_REGISTER > J >     (or use MCR for less typing  :-).   This  presents a menu which willJ >     allow  you to register a DECNET IV address in the "local" name space@ >     for DECNET-Plus.  ...Hope I got the terminaolgy correct...  G Yeah - tried that. Couldn't figure out what the hell it asking about. I B just want to "register" my other DECnet (all Phase-IV, by the way). nodes. Never saw an option like that in there.  G Why all the "rocket science" that no one in our shop will ever use? AlllF I want is to not have to use notation like 1065:: instead of MYNODE::,? without having to take four years of classes to learn how to doo% something as simple as NCP> SET NODE.e   Is that too much to ask?   -- e David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:58:04 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>w< Subject: Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V, Message-ID: <3A70E7BA.4018C249@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:
 > $ MC NCP  > NCP> SET NODE 1.23 NAME NEWNOD  N If you use the big command procedure to configure the node, it will generate aK gazillion commands, and from there, you can see how it is done. It has beenc6 over a year since I upgraded from 5 to 4, so I forgot.  F > Alternatively, has anyone managed to master the process of upgrading > from Phase-V to Phase-IV?p   shutdown decnet. nH check install to see if there are any obvious decnet files installed and deinstall them.w  7 Then do a PRODUCT DELETE (or is it remove ?) of decnet. : It does a pretty good job. A couple of stray files remain.    A then vmsinstal the real decnet. Netconfig and you're in business.m   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:59:40 GMTj7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> < Subject: Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V- Message-ID: <3A70EB9F.965F8395@earthlink.net>b  9 "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" wrote:i > . > In article <3A70DBB5.3F1B4EC@earthlink.net>,? >     "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:rE > > Can *ANY*one give me the NCL equivalent of the following command?m > >i > > $ MC NCP" > > NCP> SET NODE 1.23 NAME NEWNOD > 3 >         Not NCL, but the documented method is to,P > 0 >                 RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECNET_REGISTER > J >     (or use MCR for less typing  :-).   This  presents a menu which willJ >     allow  you to register a DECNET IV address in the "local" name space@ >     for DECNET-Plus.  ...Hope I got the terminaolgy correct...  G Yeah - tried that. Couldn't figure out what the hell it asking about. I B just want to "register" my other DECnet (all Phase-IV, by the way). nodes. Never saw an option like that in there.  G Why all the "rocket science" that no one in our shop will ever use? AlloF I want is to not have to use notation like 1065:: instead of MYNODE::,? without having to take four years of classes to learn how to doe% something as simple as NCP> SET NODE.    Is that too much to ask?   -- l David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:02:13 -0700T5 From: "Laurie L. Vandenberg" <lvandenberg@uswest.net>d< Subject: Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V2 Message-ID: <_Q5c6.1528$8q.544527@news.uswest.net>  
 Perhaps using  $MCR DECNET_REGISTER option 2 will work for you.   LaurieB "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:3A70E67C.378FCB33@earthlink.net...T; > "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" wrote:  > >e0 > > In article <3A70DBB5.3F1B4EC@earthlink.net>,A > >     "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:OG > > > Can *ANY*one give me the NCL equivalent of the following command?l > > >n > > > $ MC NCP$ > > > NCP> SET NODE 1.23 NAME NEWNOD > >e5 > >         Not NCL, but the documented method is to,N > > 2 > >                 RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECNET_REGISTER > > L > >     (or use MCR for less typing  :-).   This  presents a menu which willL > >     allow  you to register a DECNET IV address in the "local" name spaceB > >     for DECNET-Plus.  ...Hope I got the terminaolgy correct... >iI > Yeah - tried that. Couldn't figure out what the hell it asking about. I]D > just want to "register" my other DECnet (all Phase-IV, by the way)0 > nodes. Never saw an option like that in there. > I > Why all the "rocket science" that no one in our shop will ever use? AlltH > I want is to not have to use notation like 1065:: instead of MYNODE::,A > without having to take four years of classes to learn how to do ' > something as simple as NCP> SET NODE.n >e > Is that too much to ask? >i > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ >.< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  >sH > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. >wB > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. >,H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:08:41 -0600w0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>< Subject: RE: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-VC Message-ID: <MOEAJKGGEIMGCCPEPJBHOENKDDAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>g  > You can also try setting the node address through command line  I $ mcr decnet_register register node local:.nodename address xx.xx synonym. nodename  A where the synonym is basically the phase iv representation of thet nodename/address   Arte       -----Original Message-----< From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@earthlink.net]( Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:53 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComR< Subject: Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V    9 "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" wrote:  > . > In article <3A70DBB5.3F1B4EC@earthlink.net>,? >     "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes: E > > Can *ANY*one give me the NCL equivalent of the following command?h > >. > > $ MC NCP" > > NCP> SET NODE 1.23 NAME NEWNOD >w3 >         Not NCL, but the documented method is to,a > 0 >                 RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECNET_REGISTER >aJ >     (or use MCR for less typing  :-).   This  presents a menu which willJ >     allow  you to register a DECNET IV address in the "local" name space@ >     for DECNET-Plus.  ...Hope I got the terminaolgy correct...  G Yeah - tried that. Couldn't figure out what the hell it asking about. IeB just want to "register" my other DECnet (all Phase-IV, by the way). nodes. Never saw an option like that in there.  G Why all the "rocket science" that no one in our shop will ever use? AlleF I want is to not have to use notation like 1065:: instead of MYNODE::,? without having to take four years of classes to learn how to dor% something as simple as NCP> SET NODE.d   Is that too much to ask?   -- David J. DachteraX dba DJE Systemsd http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:22:37 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>a< Subject: Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V- Message-ID: <3A70ED7D.F5058DB8@earthlink.net>c   JF Mezei wrote:s >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > > $ MC NCP" > > NCP> SET NODE 1.23 NAME NEWNOD > P > If you use the big command procedure to configure the node, it will generate aM > gazillion commands, and from there, you can see how it is done. It has beenA8 > over a year since I upgraded from 5 to 4, so I forgot.   But, *HOW* do you do *THAT*??!!l  E The proc. asks a bazillion questions, but never *ONCE* mentions otherrF DECnet nodes (though it does ask about MOP clients - don't have any of those).t  e9 > Then do a PRODUCT DELETE (or is it remove ?) of decnet.e< > It does a pretty good job. A couple of stray files remain.  F I gotta find a way to do that - somehow make a copy of the system diskE so I can bring that home and mess with it on my hobbyist system here.i   Messing with this is a crock!    --   David J. Dachterav dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:26:11 -0600b7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>u< Subject: Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V- Message-ID: <3A70EE53.86297E4B@earthlink.net>y   "Laurie L. Vandenberg" wrote:L >  > Perhaps usingo > $MCR DECNET_REGISTER
 > option 2 > will work for you.  % Tried that - no schmae. Need the NCL.    -- r David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/M  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:51:26 -060007 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>n< Subject: Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V- Message-ID: <3A70F43E.7B8865A6@earthlink.net>y   arturo saavedra wrote: > @ > You can also try setting the node address through command line > K > $ mcr decnet_register register node local:.nodename address xx.xx synonyms
 > nodename > C > where the synonym is basically the phase iv representation of theE > nodename/address  F Now *THAT* looks a *LOT* more reasonable than all the tail-chasing the< documentation and on-line HELP have been leading me through!   Thanx much! I'll try it!   -- n David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems2 http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2001 23:11:34 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)< Subject: Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V+ Message-ID: <rgPQDef6YJfU@eisner.decus.org>i  , In article <3A70DBB5.3F1B4EC@earthlink.net>,:  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes: > O.k., Folks, >a7 > I know when to throw in the towel and ask for help...  >tC > Can *ANY*one give me the NCL equivalent of the following command?  > 
 > $ MC NCP  > NCP> SET NODE 1.23 NAME NEWNOD  B Others have posted the DECNET_REGISTER command.  Someone, I forget> who, may be lurking in the background with a copy of a command# procedure I sent them a while back.h  = It will populate the LOCAL. DECNET-PLUS database by using theD; DECNET_REGISTER command from an existing PHASE-IV database.-  @ I do not remember if it read the database from the PHASE-IV node9 directly or used a data file produce from an NCP command.I  ? I am not sure exactly where it is right now, or I would post itt for you.  A I am inviting the other people who I privately emailed it to postp it or e-mail it to you.   A I do not know how big your network is, but I wrote that procedureT> when I had to deal with loading over 100 nodes, and I sure was7 not going to do it by hand, and expect to get it right.h  ? I also like to have procedures handy to allow my to rebuild anyu> system from sources to it current condition with out having to rely on backups.  < I never needed to do it completely, but accidents do happen,6 and some things are faster to rebuild from a reference= CMS library on a network or other data files than to wait for > a TK70 to find a backup tape.  The network address database is one of those things.    B Of course now that you have the single command line syntax for theA DECNET_REGISTER command, you should be able to figure out the DCLt to do the conversion..  ? Of course a DECNET-PLUS node can import a database from another.3 DECNET-PLUS node using the DECNET_REGISTER command.r  C > I understand that Phase-V lacks a permanent database (*THAT*'s an-: > *UP*grade???!!!); so I used SET above instead of DEFINE.  @ The DECNET_REGISTER appears to be managing a permanent database.  F I think you also may have to issue one of the NCL FLUSH commands afterA registering the names for them to take effect.  I do not remember1H the syntax, but if it is not in the FAQ, a search of http://www.deja.com7 should turn it up.  Look for "NCL" "FLUSH" and "CACHE".f  A Or someone will probably post it to this thread in a short while.E  F > Alternatively, has anyone managed to master the process of upgrading > from Phase-V to Phase-IV?   E I have only done it a few times, hardly mastering it.  DECnet-Plus is E one of those things I specifically put on my hobby machines so that I  would be able to learn it.  A Most of the manuals for DECNET-PLUS are online from a link on thea2 OpenVMS homepage at http://www.openvms.compaq.com.     -JohnI wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:19:06 -0500s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>p< Subject: Re: Simple DECnet-IV Tasks Impossible under Phase-V, Message-ID: <3A70FAB9.84A25304@videotron.ca>  M In all fairness to decnet-5, when I did install it, the menus for configuring J it were not so complex and I did get my 5 node to recognize my microvax-II$ that was at 4 without much problems.  E It was the fine tuning and getting rid of all the opcom messages thatgN convinced me it just wasn't worth the hassles and I just upgraded to decnet-4.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:52:20 -0600a% From: "steve smith" <ssmith@lbpc.com>N Subject: storageworks % Message-ID: <Rt%b6.36$f23.264@client>   G Does anyone now how I can find a newsgroup to help with my storageworksHI issue. I need to find out how to tell the difference between single-ended|L scsi bus and differential scsi bus. I was told to look here to figure out my problem-     thanks in advancee   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:12:28 +0100-2 From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcormail.de> Subject: Re: storageworksa+ Message-ID: <3A7096BC.5090501@arcormail.de>c   Dear Steve,E  < check out http://www.netseller1.com/tech/messages/10267.html   Thomas   steve smith wrote:  I > Does anyone now how I can find a newsgroup to help with my storageworksBK > issue. I need to find out how to tell the difference between single-endedkN > scsi bus and differential scsi bus. I was told to look here to figure out my	 > problem6 >  >  > thanks in advanceN     -- N? ---------------------------------------------------------------o9 *** Please notice! New eMail address from 12-dec-2000 on:  thomaspauli@arcormail.de? ---------------------------------------------------------------y9 Thomas H. Pauli, Hammersteinstr.19, 14199 Berlin, Germanye   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:30:45 GMTh From: jbecker@ui.urban.org" Subject: Re: Telnet, yes; HTTP, no) Message-ID: <94put6$vie$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  + In article <94pnvp$ff1$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,a5   "Carmine Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com> wrote:e  H > why we're here), I cannot make the device function as a server queue -  ittG > seems to setup correctly but then attempts to print result in %UCS-F-  NOMSG, > Message number 030AEBB4.  C One other tidbit, if you're running UCX 4.x (and probably earlier):   ! $ set message sys$message:ucx$msg ) $ write sys$output f$message (%x030AEBB4)a3 %UCX-F-LPD_NOSPOOLDIR, Error is spool directory !ASd   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/) 7 Encompass ESILUG (http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/esilug/)l     Sent via Deja.comr http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jan 2001 19:47:36 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) . Subject: VMS 7.2-1 Bugcheck In DECW$REINIT.EXE' Message-ID: <94pvso$ho3$1@joe.rice.edu>z" Keywords: vms,bugcheck,DECW$REINIT  @ The following crash is from a client's system, running VMS 7.2-1" Here's the version of decw$reinit:  1        $ analyze/image sys$system:decw$reinit.exeS	         .3	         .D	         .u(         Image Identification Information  )                 image name: "DECW$REINIT"n;                 image file identification: "DW V7.1-990529" B                 image file build identification: "X6TF-0050120000"7                 link date/time: 29-MAY-1999 13:06:10.59i/                 linker identification: "A11-39"e  #      $ product show product dwmotif A      ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------ :      PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATEA      ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------l>      DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-5           Full LP     InstalledA      ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------m        1 item found   4 Is this a known crash, and if so, is there a patch ?   Thanks in advance,    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)N ==============================================================================  - Time of system crash: 25-JAN-2001 08:21:32.95v  H Version of system: OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1    % System Version Major ID/Minor ID: 3/0c  * System type: Digital Personal WorkStation   # Crash CPU ID/Primary CPU ID:  00/00C  4 Bitmask of CPUs active/available:  00000001/00000001     CPU bugcheck codes:_3 	CPU 00 -- INVEXCEPTN, Exception while above ASTDEL     ! System State at Time of Exception ! ---------------------------------V Exception Frame: ---------------- 	R2  = 00000000.00000000   	R3  = FFFFFFFF.80C9FA80   	R4  = 00000000.00000015   	R5  = FFFFFFFF.80C9FA80   	R6  = 00000000.00000015  & 	R7  = FFFFFFFF.82B06760  SMP$GL_FLAGS, 	PC  = FFFFFFFF.80007268  OTS$REM_UL_C+000B8 	PS  = 00000000.00001504    4          FFFFFFFF.80007258:    	LDA		R16,#XFFFE(R31)/          FFFFFFFF.8000725C:    	BIS		R31,R31,R0u/          FFFFFFFF.80007260:    	BIS		R31,R31,R1h'          FFFFFFFF.80007264:    	GENTRAPt.    PC => FFFFFFFF.80007268:    	RET		R31,(R26)$          FFFFFFFF.8000726C:    	HALT1          FFFFFFFF.80007270:    	SRA		R17,#X03,R27p1          FFFFFFFF.80007274:    	BLE		R18,#X000015 1          FFFFFFFF.80007278:    	ADDQ		R16,R27,R16/      PS =>5 	 MBZ SPAL      MBZ    IPL VMM MBZ CURMOD INT PRVMOD  5 	 0   00   00000000000 15  0   0   KERN   1   KERN   e   Signal Array ------------ 	Length = 00000003 	Type   = 00000484/ 	Arg    = FFFFFFFF.80007268  OTS$REM_UL_C+000B8a 	Arg    = 00000000.00001504  -  ] %SYSTEM-F-INTDIV, arithmetic trap, integer divide by zero at PC=FFFFFFFF80007268, PS=00001504r  * Saved Scratch Registers in Mechanism Array* ------------------------------------------N R0   = 00000000.00000000  R1   = 00000000.00000000  R16  = FFFFFFFF.FFFFFFFE  N R17  = 00000000.00000000  R18  = 00000000.00000002  R19  = 00000000.82C32A60  N R20  = 00000000.82C32A60  R21  = 00000000.00000600  R22  = 00000000.00000000  N R23  = 00000000.00000000  R24  = 00000000.00000000  R25  = 00000000.00000002  N R26  = FFFFFFFF.82C2C140  R27  = FFFFFFFF.82B2A390  R28  = FFFFFFFF.FFFFFE00    D CPU 00 reason for Bugcheck: INVEXCEPTN, Exception while above ASTDEL  / Process currently executing on this CPU: SYSTEMN  J Current image file: OLYWS3$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]DECW$REINIT.EXE;1   Current IPL: 21  (decimal)   CPU database address:  80C12000M    ( CPUs Capabilities:    PRIMARY,QUORUM,RUN   General registers:  L R0   = 00000000.00000000  R1   = 00000000.00000484  R2   = 00000000.7FFA1A20L R3   = FFFFFFFF.82BADF20  R4   = 00000000.7FFA18A0  R5   = 00000000.7FFA1A10L R6   = 00000000.7FFA1A40  R7   = 00000000.00001504  R8   = 00000000.00000000L R9   = 00000000.7AF05B08  R10  = 00000000.0004E658  R11  = 00000000.0004E660L R12  = 00000000.00000000  R13  = FFFFFFFF.82C32AF0  R14  = 00000000.00000000L R15  = FFFFFFFF.82B06760  R16  = 00000000.000001CC  R17  = 00000000.7FFA18A0L R18  = 00000000.7FFA1A40  R19  = 00000000.82C32A60  R20  = 00000000.82C32A60L R21  = 00000000.00000600  R22  = 00000000.00000000  R23  = 00000000.00000000L R24  = 00000000.00000000  AI   = 00000000.00000002  RA   = FFFFFFFF.82C2C140L PV   = FFFFFFFF.82B2A390  R28  = FFFFFFFF.FFFFFE00  FP   = 00000000.7FFA1B002 PC   = FFFFFFFF.800814C8  PS   = 08000000.00001500     Processor Internal Registers:S    L ASN  = 00000000.00000066                     ASTSR/ASTEN =          0000000FL IPL  =          00000015  PCBB = 00000000.03956080  PRBR = FFFFFFFF.80C12000L PTBR = 00000000.00001D4A  SCBB = 00000000.000001C1  SISR = 00000000.00000000L VPTB = FFFFFFFC.00000000  FPCR = 08000000.00000000  MCES = 00000000.00000000     	KSP    = 00000000.7FFA1848o 	ESP    = 00000000.7FFA6000o 	SSP    = 00000000.7FFAC100E 	USP    = 00000000.7AF059E0r  6                 No spinlocks currently owned by CPU 00   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:37:54 GMT  From: ethornber@my-deja.comr2 Subject: Re: VMS 7.2-1 Bugcheck In DECW$REINIT.EXE) Message-ID: <94qgt1$gm5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>b  ' In article <94pvso$ho3$1@joe.rice.edu>,t,   leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) wrote: >e0 > The following crash is from a client's system, running VMS 7.2-1e$ > Here's the version of decw$reinit: >  >        $ analyze/image sys$system:decw$reinit.exe >         .  >         .d >         . * >         Image Identification Information >3+ >                 image name: "DECW$REINIT"40 >                 image file identification: "DW V7.1-990529"" >                 image file build! identification: "X6TF-0050120000"e- >                 link date/time: 29-MAY-1999C 13:06:10.59.1 >                 linker identification: "A11-39"m >e% >      $ product show product dwmotif 2 >      ----------------------------------- ------- ---- ------------:. >      PRODUCT                             KIT
 TYPE    STATEi2 >      ----------------------------------- ------- ---- ------------u/ >      DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-5           Fulle LP     Installed2 >      ----------------------------------- ------- ---- ------------i >r >      1 item foundl >a. > Is this a known crash, and if so, is there a patch ?i  / It appears you need need to adjust NPAGEDYN ...e  	 SOLUTION:w  ( From OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 Release Notes:  2 -------------------------------------------------- --------------------. 2.19  Problem on Digital Personal Workstations with Powerstorm GraphicE       Cards 2 -------------------------------------------------- --------------------    . To correct this problem, increase the NPAGEDYN system parameter. Fort0 example, if the system crashes with NPAGEDYN set to 2244608, increase/ the parameter setting to 4489216 to prevent thee system from crashing.c- OpenVMS recommends that you run AUTOGEN after  increasing the NPAGEDYNt system parameter.,   Ed.u     >o > Thanks in advance, >o1 > --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my  own) >a2 ================================================== ============================ >j/ > Time of system crash: 25-JAN-2001 08:21:32.95P >e1 > Version of system: OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating  System, Version V7.2-1 >D' > System Version Major ID/Minor ID: 3/0  >C+ > System type: Digital Personal WorkStatione >e% > Crash CPU ID/Primary CPU ID:  00/00  >e# > Bitmask of CPUs active/available:m 00000001/00000001e >o > CPU bugcheck codes:e( > 	CPU 00 -- INVEXCEPTN, Exception while above ASTDEL > # > System State at Time of Exception*# > ---------------------------------i > Exception Frame: > ---------------- > 	R2  = 00000000.00000000 > 	R3  = FFFFFFFF.80C9FA80 > 	R4  = 00000000.00000015 > 	R5  = FFFFFFFF.80C9FA80 > 	R6  = 00000000.00000015( > 	R7  = FFFFFFFF.82B06760  SMP$GL_FLAGS > 	PC  = FFFFFFFF.80007268 OTS$REM_UL_C+000B8 > 	PS  = 00000000.00001504 >e% >          FFFFFFFF.80007258:    	LDAi 	R16,#XFFFE(R31)% >          FFFFFFFF.8000725C:    	BISi 	R31,R31,R0i% >          FFFFFFFF.80007260:    	BISD 	R31,R31,R1 ) >          FFFFFFFF.80007264:    	GENTRAPf% >    PC => FFFFFFFF.80007268:    	RET 
 	R31,(R26)& >          FFFFFFFF.8000726C:    	HALT% >          FFFFFFFF.80007270:    	SRA 
 	R17,#X03,R27i% >          FFFFFFFF.80007274:    	BLEe
 	R18,#X000015c& >          FFFFFFFF.80007278:    	ADDQ 	R16,R27,R16 >,
 >    PS =>+ > 	 MBZ SPAL      MBZ    IPL VMM MBZ CURMOD,
 INT PRVMOD) > 	 0   00   00000000000 15  0   0   KERN- 1   KERN >e > Signal Array > ------------ > 	Length = 00000003 > 	Type   = 00000484 > 	Arg    = FFFFFFFF.80007268S OTS$REM_UL_C+000B8 > 	Arg    = 00000000.00001504s >-, > %SYSTEM-F-INTDIV, arithmetic trap, integer2 divide by zero at PC=FFFFFFFF80007268, PS=00001504 >R, > Saved Scratch Registers in Mechanism Array, > ------------------------------------------" > R0   = 00000000.00000000  R1   =+ 00000000.00000000  R16  = FFFFFFFF.FFFFFFFEi" > R17  = 00000000.00000000  R18  =+ 00000000.00000002  R19  = 00000000.82C32A60o" > R20  = 00000000.82C32A60  R21  =+ 00000000.00000600  R22  = 00000000.00000000t" > R23  = 00000000.00000000  R24  =+ 00000000.00000000  R25  = 00000000.00000002." > R26  = FFFFFFFF.82C2C140  R27  =+ FFFFFFFF.82B2A390  R28  = FFFFFFFF.FFFFFE00g >d) > CPU 00 reason for Bugcheck: INVEXCEPTN,- Exception while above ASTDEL >11 > Process currently executing on this CPU: SYSTEMm >r" > Current image file: OLYWS3$DKA0:* [SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]DECW$REINIT.EXE;1 >- > Current IPL: 21  (decimal) >n! > CPU database address:  80C12000  >o* > CPUs Capabilities:    PRIMARY,QUORUM,RUN >  > General registers: > " > R0   = 00000000.00000000  R1   =+ 00000000.00000484  R2   = 00000000.7FFA1A20 " > R3   = FFFFFFFF.82BADF20  R4   =+ 00000000.7FFA18A0  R5   = 00000000.7FFA1A10a" > R6   = 00000000.7FFA1A40  R7   =+ 00000000.00001504  R8   = 00000000.00000000t" > R9   = 00000000.7AF05B08  R10  =+ 00000000.0004E658  R11  = 00000000.0004E660'" > R12  = 00000000.00000000  R13  =+ FFFFFFFF.82C32AF0  R14  = 00000000.00000000 " > R15  = FFFFFFFF.82B06760  R16  =+ 00000000.000001CC  R17  = 00000000.7FFA18A0o" > R18  = 00000000.7FFA1A40  R19  =+ 00000000.82C32A60  R20  = 00000000.82C32A60t" > R21  = 00000000.00000600  R22  =+ 00000000.00000000  R23  = 00000000.00000000e" > R24  = 00000000.00000000  AI   =+ 00000000.00000002  RA   = FFFFFFFF.82C2C140a" > PV   = FFFFFFFF.82B2A390  R28  =+ FFFFFFFF.FFFFFE00  FP   = 00000000.7FFA1B00 " > PC   = FFFFFFFF.800814C8  PS   = 08000000.00001500. >l > Processor Internal Registers:t >  > ASN  = 00000000.00000066 ASTSR/ASTEN =          0000000Fn" > IPL  =          00000015  PCBB =+ 00000000.03956080  PRBR = FFFFFFFF.80C12000r" > PTBR = 00000000.00001D4A  SCBB =+ 00000000.000001C1  SISR = 00000000.00000000r" > VPTB = FFFFFFFC.00000000  FPCR =+ 08000000.00000000  MCES = 00000000.00000000n >f > 	KSP    = 00000000.7FFA1848  > 	ESP    = 00000000.7FFA6000N > 	SSP    = 00000000.7FFAC100d > 	USP    = 00000000.7AF059E0S >o1 >                 No spinlocks currently owned by  CPU 00 >        Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:33:45 -0800T* From: Art Ragosta <aragosta@ix.netcom.com>B Subject: Re: VMS scheduling products - what are people using today- Message-ID: <3A70E209.915A3CF1@ix.netcom.com>e   Dave Gudewicz wrote:  K > Wondered what others here are using for VMS scheduling chores these days.  >m >v  = We use Kronos off the VMS freeware CD.  Pretty good and FREE! 8 Regardless, never, EVER, EEEVVVEEERRR buy a product from CA unless you're a masochist.  --       ---------- He who walks the dark path   Defender of the eartho     Beloved of Ra    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:03:41 GMT ' From: nickerson@pundit.ds.boeing.com ()o@ Subject: Re: VMS vs UNIX (was: Linux worm and RedHat 7.0 broken)( Message-ID: <G7qny5.HyD@news.boeing.com>  F In article <94n6i5$hi1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, sabolich@my-deja.com writes: .. snip ...aB |>I'll try to give a good example here.  Suppose you have two fileI |>descriptors (fds which is an open serial port, and fdf which is an openuH |>file)  The program xyz takes input on standard in and writes it outputF |>to standard out.  You want to run xyz with fds for input and fdf for= |>output.  You also want to run it at boosted priority level.o  A this not a great example; I know you are trying to come up with a A problem statement and then show the solution; but there are a lot B of unstated unsupplied assumptions before we go any further; maybeB is it not fair to criticize you on this but you end with a general@ and sweeping claim about process creation that is unfair to VMS;  @ my biggest complaint is that you for some reason have decided toD run this image in a new process; you assume xyz is in the PATH; and E while you mention the priority you don't mention any other potential oC state variable that a process has (reference exec() & fork() pages nC on UNIX) - say where the error or success reporting should go; you mB have these file descriptors from who knows where and who knows in E what state (which really simplified things) and you chose to program   in C;   H |>In VMS you will have one call to the OS the create process xyz.  ThereH |>is a big structure you pass containing information about input, outputI |>handles (for redirection), priority, priviledge, etc.  Everything about-3 |>that process must have a place in that structure.   ? $CREPRC has lots of defaults and does more; from the HELP page:   A        Creates, on behalf of the calling process, a subprocess or3E        detached process on the current node, or a detached process on $        another OpenVMS Cluster node.  o  ( |>Unix is completely different, example: |>, |>x = fork() ;		/* create copy of process */
 |>if (x == 0)t |>{n |>			/* we are child */o |>			/* make fds standard in */o |>dup2(fds, 0);t  |>			/* make fdf standard out */ |>dup2(fdf, 1);c# |>			/* adjust my priority to -5 */-# |>setpriority(PRIO_PROCESS, 0, -5); 1 |>			/* replace current process image with xyz */j |>execl("xyz", NULL);s |>			/* never get here */l |>}  |>else { |>			/* we are parent */ |>}g |>I |>So I've replaced a complex system call (in VMS) which takes a structureiB |>with a few simple ones in Unix (none of which take a structure). |>I |>That is what I like about unix.  Simplicity and flexibility.  It's kind-J |>of like a lego or erector set.  The basic components are very simple butN |>you can put them together any way you want to achieve exactly what you want. .. snip ...9 |>Fran  C as this thread elsewhere mentions how everything in VMS can be doneoC in UNIX let me also mention one of my favorite complaints - which IaJ don't think is available on your general unix; pick an available machine, D exclusively lock, then use, and then release for use the tape drive;   --bn (Bart Nickerson)a nickerson@pundit.ds.boeing.com (206) 662-0183   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:01:04 -0500-* From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>& Subject: Re: VMS writable CD on Win2K?, Message-ID: <94qb5p$8nsg$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  J "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009F69C2.220C20D2@SendSpamHere.ORG... >n) > Curious, what do you use for write s/w?e >h  I Uh, unfortunately, we had to use a PC with a DVD-R drive to write the ODS, image file.o  J We are aware of several request to officially support writeable CD and DVDL drives under OpenVMS systems, but it has not been determined if/when we will ever provide the support.e     Paul A. Jacobi Compaq Computer Corporation ! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14t 110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698  Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.comn   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:30:32 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)x& Subject: Re: VMS writable CD on Win2K?0 Message-ID: <009F6A96.208B4B9F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Y In article <94qb5p$8nsg$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com> writes:/ > K >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message-+ >news:009F69C2.220C20D2@SendSpamHere.ORG...l >>* >> Curious, what do you use for write s/w? >> >gJ >Uh, unfortunately, we had to use a PC with a DVD-R drive to write the ODS >image file. >CK >We are aware of several request to officially support writeable CD and DVD M >drives under OpenVMS systems, but it has not been determined if/when we willi >ever provide the support. >D >  >Paul A. Jacobi  >Compaq Computer Corporation" >OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14 >110 Spitbrook Road  >Nashua, NH 03062-2698 >Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.com  J Excuse me but didn't you post telling another person that you have various$ CD-R attached to VMS and in use???    I Also, there is no reason to have to use a PC to write the ODS disk image.o: See http://www.tmesis.com/CDrom/ for some pointers to s/w.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             -O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:44:23 -0400-' From: Paul <pmosteika@evms.zko.dec.com> . Subject: Re: Where is the latest MIME for AXP?0 Message-ID: <3A7057E7.43638921@evms.zko.dec.com>   Hello,  E They've been working to get these Alpha kits out. Apparently there is=A some backlog with the various products/versions and kits. They've5H changed their formal process to address this issue. We are sorry for any( inconvenience that this may have caused.  A In the interim, I provided image savesets to the Customer Support  Centers.       			Paul Mosteika   			25-Jan-2001   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:01:02 -0800U) From: Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com>T6 Subject: Re: Window for Alpha success still seems openO Message-ID: <41062246B075EA75.E30B8623FCEB6A9C.AFEF433B2F34AA28@lp.airnews.net>0   Jordan Henderson wrote:9 >  > Take a look at this article: > ' >  http://www.tweakers.net/reviews/204/0 > @ > It seems that the Itanium is benchmarking unbelievably poorly,< > especially when executing 32 bit code.  A 100Mhz Pentium I. > outbenches a 1.5 Ghz Itanium in some cases!? > B > As the Alpha still seems to be improving and the IA architecture@ > may be hitting a serious bump in the road going to 64 bits, itB > might be that we're looking for the window for success for Alpha > to be open a few more years. > > > Hey, it's possible that IA-64 could even be a godsend to the? > Alpha.  IT organizations might commit to 64 bit architectures1@ > for long term strategic reasons (now that IA-64 is here/almost@ > here) and then recoil from the horror of having to take such a* > performance hit with the Intel products. >  > Anything's possible... >  > -Jordan Henderson6 > jordan@greenapple.comA  E Hi.  I've read in the microsoft newsgroups about this also.  The bestrD bet for home machines or even the office is the AMD Duron.  Some say that the PIII is crippled to - some extent as well.G      Why can't Compaq make a home PC/business PC from an Alpha chipset?1E Microsoft already has O/Ses for the alpha.  But then Compaq won't pit0 vms against them, < from what I've read in this newsgroup.  I can only dream....   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:24:43 -060001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>.0 Subject: Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount?8 Message-ID: <94pua5$bp1$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  7 "Rob Young" <young_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote in messagen% news:NNRkEzje7ZH8@eisner.decus.org...e> > In article <87wvbj4ksk.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:a0 > > young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes: > >ML > >> In article <3A6FA83E.88F5751E@tmisnet.com>, Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> writes:4G > >> > I would not count on it.  I think you have to wait for the CacheF timeout (default > >> > is 10 seconds)0 > >> > on the controller.0 > >> > > >>D > >> But I want to count on it.  Here's the scenario... as you point> > >> out CACHE_FLUSH_TIMER is default of 10 seconds.  But whatA > >> about the poor sap that has it set to 120 seconds?  He makes2> > >> sure all file streams are closed (or they are anyhow) and< > >> dismounts a drive.  If writeback cache is turned on, is? > >> there a mechanism that signals the controller to flush the2; > >> cache?  If not, where is the big doc warning that says0C > >> "don't do that" or "beware of?"  Same question ... more stuff.  > >> > >> Rob > > J > > Yes, this is judt the sort of issue that really scares me with all theK > > SAN noise. The dismount sending the drive unit-offline REQUIRES all the F > > data on the disk before the offline completes. Foo knows what will happen@ > > out there in happy multi vendor, standard de jour, SAN land. > >= >0> > And ... at the all day SAN session I sat in on at CETS 2000,? > the speaker mentioned a top StorageWorks engineer - that most ? > of us are familiar with (by name anyhow) - recommends setting0@ > CACHE_FLUSH_TIMER to 65535 seconds "for performance."  So thatA > is why I am *assuming* it surely flushes the writes on dismount-4 > as many folks are doing shadow splits for backups. >n. > So there is actually a two-fold reason here. >n > RobE >T  J Run that by the StorageWorks guy ( I think I know who) and see what he has to say.d  J And yes, 64K cache flush time was the recommended value "for performance".A I just checked one of our HSZ80s.  Its set to 64K.  Now I wonder.n  K Thanks for making me (us) think, Rob.  Its claimed to be good for you.  ;-)    Dave...    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:35:27 -0600 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> 0 Subject: Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount?8 Message-ID: <94puu9$bpm$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  7 "Rob Young" <young_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote in messageY% news:NNRkEzje7ZH8@eisner.decus.org... > > In article <87wvbj4ksk.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:-0 > > young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes: > > L > >> In article <3A6FA83E.88F5751E@tmisnet.com>, Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> writes:-G > >> > I would not count on it.  I think you have to wait for the Cache2 timeout (default > >> > is 10 seconds)  > >> > on the controller.- > >> > > >>D > >> But I want to count on it.  Here's the scenario... as you point> > >> out CACHE_FLUSH_TIMER is default of 10 seconds.  But whatA > >> about the poor sap that has it set to 120 seconds?  He makesV> > >> sure all file streams are closed (or they are anyhow) and< > >> dismounts a drive.  If writeback cache is turned on, is? > >> there a mechanism that signals the controller to flush the-; > >> cache?  If not, where is the big doc warning that says-C > >> "don't do that" or "beware of?"  Same question ... more stuff.m > >> > >> Rob > >iJ > > Yes, this is judt the sort of issue that really scares me with all theK > > SAN noise. The dismount sending the drive unit-offline REQUIRES all thesF > > data on the disk before the offline completes. Foo knows what will happen@ > > out there in happy multi vendor, standard de jour, SAN land. > >  > > > And ... at the all day SAN session I sat in on at CETS 2000,? > the speaker mentioned a top StorageWorks engineer - that mosta? > of us are familiar with (by name anyhow) - recommends settingM@ > CACHE_FLUSH_TIMER to 65535 seconds "for performance."  So thatA > is why I am *assuming* it surely flushes the writes on dismountt4 > as many folks are doing shadow splits for backups. >i. > So there is actually a two-fold reason here. >e > Rob  >     . I'll ask KB and let you all know.  How's that.   Dave...v   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2001 14:44:14 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)0 Subject: Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount?+ Message-ID: <a$agcRuKEHCF@eisner.decus.org>0  l In article <94puu9$bpm$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes:   >  > 0 > I'll ask KB and let you all know.  How's that. > 	 > Dave...  >   E 	HA!  Cat's out of the bag.  Wonderful being in this tight community.2  < 	The boys and girls that travel with carnivals must have the= 	same warm fuzzy feeling at times.  Wonder if they pack along ? 	a mirror copy of our British friend.  Nahhhh.. they would haveF@ 	all hopped in the trucks at the end of the show and peeled out  	without saying a word.F   	Thanks for looking into that.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:52:20 -0600 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> 0 Subject: Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount?8 Message-ID: <94q6uu$bs5$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  7 "Rob Young" <young_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote in message$% news:a$agcRuKEHCF@eisner.decus.org...0J > In article <94puu9$bpm$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz"# <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes:  >a > >c > > 2 > > I'll ask KB and let you all know.  How's that. > >- > > Dave...- > >  > F > HA!  Cat's out of the bag.  Wonderful being in this tight community. > = > The boys and girls that travel with carnivals must have the0> > same warm fuzzy feeling at times.  Wonder if they pack along@ > a mirror copy of our British friend.  Nahhhh.. they would have@ > all hopped in the trucks at the end of the show and peeled out > without saying a word. >F > Thanks for looking into that.0 >  > RobP >0  3 KB says:  Works different on the HSJ Vs. the HSZ/G.v   The HSZ/G story:  J If you do this, you should issue a "set d1 norun" HSx command to make sure that things.G are cleaned up. A byproduct of this command is that it flushes cache ton disk.    The HSJ story:  J When you dismount the disk on an HSJ controller, cache is flushed to disk.J On an HSZ or HSG controller, the data remains in cache. The reason is thatD the HSJ uses the MSCP protocol, and a dismount translates to an MSCPJ AVAILABLE command. This command results in a cache flush. On a G or Z, the/ protocol is SCSI, and there is no such command.0   Hoped I helped out a little.   Dave...1   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:45:49 GMT2$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>0 Subject: Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount?( Message-ID: <3A70D6F2.3000500@wi.rr.com>   Dave:0  I I've been following this little thread and I'm wondering why there is so 0
 much worryE regarding whether the blocks in the cache are written to disk.  Just 0 because you've dismounted0B the drive, you can't just go rip it out of your ESA or MA cabinet.  G I've been out-of-the-loop for a while.  Who's KB?  Is it a secret?  If   so, email me offline. 1 You can trust me to keep your secret.  Ha ha ha!!0   I do have a few questions:  H 1) As long as we're being super paranoid, would a "delete unit" command  flush the cache onC an HSG/Z controller?  If so, then you know that there is no way to   remove a driveE from the shelf without the cache being written (as long as you don't 0 just walk up and= pull the drive without deleting the unit and the disk first).   I 2) I've never heard of anyone setting the cache flush timer so high.  My   FE toldo> me to run my HSJs at about 45 seconds.  What do you have your  max_cached_transfer. size set to?   -Scott in Milwaukee  :^)    5 > KB says:  Works different on the HSJ Vs. the HSZ/G.a >  > The HSZ/G story: > L > If you do this, you should issue a "set d1 norun" HSx command to make sure
 > that things1I > are cleaned up. A byproduct of this command is that it flushes cache to  > disk.  >  > The HSJ story: > L > When you dismount the disk on an HSJ controller, cache is flushed to disk.L > On an HSZ or HSG controller, the data remains in cache. The reason is thatF > the HSJ uses the MSCP protocol, and a dismount translates to an MSCPL > AVAILABLE command. This command results in a cache flush. On a G or Z, the1 > protocol is SCSI, and there is no such command.o >  > Hoped I helped out a little. > 	 > Dave...X >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jan 2001 18:20:14 PSTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)0 Subject: Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount?3 Message-ID: <b7tsUmi96Qz$@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>n  O In article <3A70D6F2.3000500@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes:o > Dave:d > J > I've been following this little thread and I'm wondering why there is soK > much worry regarding whether the blocks in the cache are written to disk.lK > Just because you've dismounted the drive, you can't just go rip it out ofb > your ESA or MA cabinet.   H         You can't?  Why not?  I can do  that with the drives in my SW300H     &  RA450.   I mean, they _are_ hot-swappable.  Of course, these  are"     HSJ-hosted.  not HSZ or HSG...  H         But isn't the real issue  whether  you  get all writes completedH     and  flushed  to  disk on system shutdown (disk  dismount)  so  thatH     you're assured you can power things down and have the  data  intact?H     I  dunno,  having  to  worry whether the SCSI disk I just dismountedH     really had all its  data  written  before  swapping a controller, or)     something, makes me pretty nervous...l  L > I've been out-of-the-loop for a while.  Who's KB?  Is it a secret?  If so,F > email me offline.  You can trust me to keep your secret.  Ha ha ha!!  >         Wouldn't that be Ken Burns, storage guru extrodinaire?               -Ken --M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu,:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:53:36 GMToL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")0 Subject: Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount?8 Message-ID: <009F6AA1.BBBEE21A@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <b7tsUmi96Qz$@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:P >In article <3A70D6F2.3000500@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes:M >> I've been out-of-the-loop for a while.  Who's KB?  Is it a secret?  If so, G >> email me offline.  You can trust me to keep your secret.  Ha ha ha!!a >w? >        Wouldn't that be Ken Burns, storage guru extrodinaire?t  L Ken Bates, storage guru extraordinare.  Ken Burns, maker of "The Civil War",J "Baseball", and other documentaries.  I suppose they could get together on a "Jazz" drive.    -- Alan   O ===============================================================================w0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056nM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210oO ===============================================================================    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.051 ************************