0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 28 Jan 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 56      Contents:4 RE: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution$ Re: difference between EV6 and EV67?$ Re: difference between EV6 and EV67? earn $50k + in 90 days! easy!  Re: Himalaya / Alpha / VMS Re: Himalaya / Alpha / VMS Re: Himalaya / Alpha / VMS/ Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours $ Re: It's the end for VMS get off now$ Re: It's the end for VMS get off now$ Re: It's the end for VMS get off now$ Re: It's the end for VMS get off now$ Re: It's the end for VMS get off now$ Re: It's the end for VMS get off now$ Re: It's the end for VMS get off now. RE: Midrange I/O with VMS WAS: DS20 - Slow I/O& Quick (stupid) question on DECnet Plus* Re: Quick (stupid) question on DECnet Plus, Re: Setting up ISDN Internet on DEC 3000-300+ Share Your Feelings About "The end for VMS"  Re: Source listings contents# Re: VaxStation 4000/90A Question(s) # Re: VaxStation 4000/90A Question(s) 7 Re: VMS vs UNIX (was: Linux worm and RedHat 7.0 broken) 4 Re: Volume Shadowing vs. RA7000 (WAS: DS20 Slow I/O)= Re: What unit is  "Xmt Time" in SDA> SHO PORT/VC=VC_xxxxx   ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 07:50:41 -0600 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> = Subject: RE: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution N Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284CCD@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   Andrew,    Sigh..    K >>> I have objected to your claim that this is a general case, it isn't and @ that it it somehow unique to OpenVMS clusters, again it isn't.<<  I Please provide a quote from me that stated that this was the case for all @ OpenVMS Clusters (the general case), or admit that you are again% generalizing for the benefit of FUD.    I [And readers here know I stated a couple of cases where one had to take a ) few additional steps to accomplish this.]   L >>> I have read the previous threads Kerry and nothing you have suggested is# now a unique feature of OpenVMS.<<<   3 Rathole. I did this before. Re-read previous posts.    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]  Sent: January 26, 2001 1:25 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com = Subject: Re: Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution      "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > Andrew ... > < > Again, give it a rest. We have Customers doing this today. >    Kerry when will you learn.  : Of course you can engineer a system that has zero downtime6 for example if you have to reboot a node in a cluster.  9 That isn't what I am objecting to and it wasn't what the  6 other people who disageed with you blanket claims were objecting ot either.  5 I have objected to your claim that this is a general  0 case, it isn't and that it it somehow unique to ! OpenVMS clusters, again it isn't.   : And every time you and jlsue make this claim you reinforce2 just how little you appear to know about other non3 OpenVMS clusters and a whole group of applications  9 that do not conform to your general case and which cannot 5 survive the reboot of a node without interuption and   loss of state.  L > If you want to understand how Customers can shutdown individual servers in a H > OpenVMS cluster with zero application availability impact, please read > previous threads.  >   6 I have read the previous threads Kerry and nothing you2 have suggested is now a unique feature of OpenVMS.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2001 20:24:43 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: difference between EV6 and EV67? - Message-ID: <87y9vvq2yc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>    Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr writes:   9 > Why Rdb 7.0.4 doesn't run with an EV67 Alpha processor?   0 Rdb, AIR, does not run on 7.2. Ask orible why...9 There was a problem in code movement from optimising. The : opimized sequence was ok on pre EV6 alphas, even though it; broke the rules. The 6 tripped it up. A re-compile with the < new version of the BLISS/C/Amac compilers fixes the problem.  D > My question focuses more on the microcode reason than on other RdbJ > related stuff. Is it because Rdb 7.0.4 uses a microcode instruction that. > is no more implemented in the EV67, or what?  = There is no code visible difference between the 6, 67, or 68, 5 except in odd places in the chip dependant registers.   > The only difference I know of is the 67 and 68 fix the problemC of false misses on probing a cache victim as it is moving off chip. C And you coud only see that if you have am external tag aray anyway.      --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:32:43 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>- Subject: Re: difference between EV6 and EV67? + Message-ID: <VA.00000268.06a8a984@sture.ch>   C In article <87y9vvq2yc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi wrote:  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms / > Subject: Re: difference between EV6 and EV67? . > From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" > Date: 28 Jan 2001 20:24:43 +0800 >  > Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr writes:  > ; > > Why Rdb 7.0.4 doesn't run with an EV67 Alpha processor?  > 2 > Rdb, AIR, does not run on 7.2. Ask orible why...; > There was a problem in code movement from optimising. The < > opimized sequence was ok on pre EV6 alphas, even though it= > broke the rules. The 6 tripped it up. A re-compile with the > > new version of the BLISS/C/Amac compilers fixes the problem. > * Of course Rdb runs on 7.2. Running it now. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:39:55 -0800 ( From: Sean D Waters <deaguasean@msn.com>& Subject: earn $50k + in 90 days! easy!- Message-ID: <0G7V00LGVSSSPM@mx.east.saic.com>   ) =46rom: "Lissa & Sean" deaguasean@msn.com " To: Friends, present and future=20 Subject:  EARN $50k IN 90 DAYS!   F IF YOU WISH TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS MAILING LIST, PLEASE REPLY TO THI= S=201 E-MAIL WITH THE WORD "REMOVE" IN THE SUBJECT BOX.   . THIS REALLY IS WORTH YOUR VALUABLE TIME, SO...F PRINT THIS NOW FOR READING AT YOUR LEISURE, YOU WON'T REGRET IT. WORK= S=20
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 ngers. =20F Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some though= t and=20 study to it.  F My name is Jonathan Rourke.  Two years ago, the corporation I worked =	 at for=20 F the past twelve years downsized and my position was eliminated.  Afte= r=20F unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business.  Over=  the=20 E past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems.  I owed my=  =20 F family, friends, and creditors over $35,000.  The economy was taking =	 a toll=20 : on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet.  F I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family an= d=20F struggling business.  AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened i= n my=20 " life and I am writing to share theF experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER FINANCIAL= LY!!!   F In mid December of 1997, I received this program via e-mail. Six mont= hs=20 F prior to receiving this program, I had been sending away for informat=	 ion on=20 F various business opportunities.  All of the programs I received, in m= y=20F opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for = me to=20 comprehend or the F initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would w=	 ork or=20 F not.  One claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year... = it=20 3 didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it!   F But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program.  = I=20F didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailin= g=20F list.  THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT !!!  After reading it several times, t=	 o make=20 F sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes.  Here wa= s a=20 MONEYMAKING PHENOMENON.   F I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me furth= er=20 F into debt.  After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I woul= d at=20 D least get my money back.  But like most of you I was still a little= =20 F skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all.  So=  I=20  checked it out with the=20F U.S.Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is= =20 F indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN= =20  LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT."  F Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails.  It cost me about $15 for my tim= e=20F on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money = for=20C printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are=  =20 F fulfilled via e-mail, the only expense is my time.  I am telling you = like=20 F it is.  I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I = would=20: not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me.  F In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1= .  By=20E January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1.  Your goal is to=  =20 F "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS.  IF YOU DON= 'T,=20% SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" 4 My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done.F By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2.  Your goal is=  to=20F "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS.  IF NOT, = SEND=20 ) OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO.  ONCE YOU F HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 = GOAL."F Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed.  So I sa=	 t back=20 F and relaxed.  By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,0= 00=20  with more coming in every day.< I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much-needed new car.=20. Please take time to read the attached program,F IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, it won't work if you do= n't=20 try it. 7 This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! F Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different =
 place. =20* It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money!F In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ ord= ers=20F for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,00= 0 or=20 + more in 90 days.  I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT  WORKS!!!  F If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It real= ly is=20F a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you.  If you choose t= o=20F participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financ= ial=20	 security.   F If you are a fellow business owner and are if financial trouble like =	 I was,=20 E or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign.  I DID!  Sincerely, Jonathan RourkeF PS Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like pile= d up=20 " on a kitchen table?  IT'S AWESOME!6 ------------------------------------------------------4 A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM:  F By the time you have read the enclosed program, you may have conclude=	 d that=20 B an amateur could not have created such a legal program that works.  F Let me tell you a little about myself.  I had a profitable business f= or 10=20F years.  Then in 1979 my business began falling off.  I was doing the = same=20aF things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working.=  =20F Finally, I figured it out.  It wasn't me, it was the economy.  Inflat= ion=20D and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us= =20r
 since1945.F I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rates...be= cause=20F many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures=  and=20r bankruptcies than ever before.E The middle class was vanishing.  Those who knew what they were doing=e =20fF invested wisely and moved up.  Those who did not, including those who=	  never=20gF had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of th= e=20F poor.  As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POOR= ER." =20F The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move=  up"=20 ) or"get rich", inflation will see to that.tF You have just received information that can give you financial freedo= m for=20F the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFOR= T." =20nF You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever ima= gined.  F I should also point out that I would not see a penny of this money, n= or=20RE anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program.  I have=- =20-F already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS!  I have retired from the program=	  after=20yF sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices that do = this=20 6 program and several other programs here and over seas.F Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED.  Do not change it in any wa=	 y.  It=20iF works exceedingly well as it is now.  Remember to e-mail a copy of th= is=20VF exciting report to everyone you can think of.  One of the people you = send=20 F this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of t= hem! =20F Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers y= ou=20s will reach.e  E So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and=i =20 C opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!g6 ******************************************************   THINK ABOUT IT:eF Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, ta= ke a=20CF little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and fi= gure=20mF out what could happen when YOU participate.  Figure out the worst pos= sible=20F response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lo= t of=20MF money! You will definitely get back what you invested.  Any doubts yo=	 u have=20M6 will vanish when your first orders come in.  IT WORKS! Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VAs6 ******************************************************B HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$  
 INSTRUCTIONS:oF This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME.  I am su= re=20 = that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days.e  F Before you say, "BULL...  ", please read this program carefully. This=  is=20E not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. =g =20tF Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level businesses, w= e=20F build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our product= s. =20F Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business= =20 F partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent.  YOUR ORDERS = COME=20yF BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal= =20 9 selling.  You do it privately in your own home, store, orp office.d  ? This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere:y   This is what you MUST do:tF 1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them i= f you=20 don't order them).F =B7 For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT=  YOU ARE=20<F ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of=  a=20-F problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to the rep= ort.  F MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL= =20r	 PROBLEMS!A  F * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the four rep=	 orts. =20dF You will need all four reports so that you can save them on your comp= uter=20d and resell them.  D * Within a few days, you will receive, via e-mail, each of the four= =20 F reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for yo= u to=20t; send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you.t  F 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed ne= xt to=20E each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is=a =20g) instructed below in steps "a" through "f"sF or you will lose out on the majority of your profits.  Once you under= stand=20F the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change=  it. =20F Remember that this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it wi=	 ll not=20  work.5  3 a. Look below for the listing of available reports. F b. b. After you've ordered the four reports, take this Advertisement = and=20E remove the name and address under REPORT #4. This person has made it=2 =20 9 through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $50,000!j? c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4.2? d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3..? e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2.c6 f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position.F Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY!  Copy an= d=20 paste method works well.  F 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and=  save=20F it to your computer.  Make NO changes to the Instruction portion of t= his=20 letter.i  F Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you c= an=20kF afford $20).  You obviously already have an Internet Connection and e= -mail=20 is FREE!  F To assist you with marketing your business on the Internet, the 4 rep= orts=20 F you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information, = which=20C includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free=: =20 # classified ads and much, much more.   8 There are two primary methods of building your downline: METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAILF Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, an= d=20, we'll assume you and all those involved sendF out only 2,000 programs each.  Let's also assume that the mailing rec= eives=20' a 0.5% response. Using a good list, the F response could be much better. Also, many people will send out hundre= ds of=20F thousands of programs instead of 2,000.  But continuing with this exa= mple,=20F you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only = 10=20  orders for REPORT #1.rF Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a tota= l of=20sC 20,000.  Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2.EF Those 100 people mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000.=   The=204 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3.F Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total.  The = 0.5%=20w4 response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. =20@ That amounts to 10,000 each of $5 bills for you in CASH MONEY!!!  F Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000+ $50,000 for=  a=20g total of $55,550!!!   F REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU M=	 AIL TO=20h2 WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM!F DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR EVEN HAL= F,=20kF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000.  Believe me, many people = will=20m. do just that, and more!  By the way, your costF to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already = have=20o* an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE!  F REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you=	  where=20eE to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists.=  , METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNETD 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are= =20D% HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise.lF Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works.  A= ssume=20F your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level= . =20 D (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger= =20 F response).  Also, assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets=  ONLY=20 10 downline members.; Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results belowt (same as email example):  - 1st level-your 10 members with $5.........$50$8 2nd level-10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100).......$5007 3rd level-10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) $5,000e8 4th level-10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10k) $50,000  . THIS TOTALS ---------------------------$55,550  E Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate, only=  =20aF recruit 10 people each.  Think for a moment what would happen if they=  got=20iA 20 people to participate!  Most people get 100's of participants!    THINK ABOUT IT!   F For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the repor=	 t they=20t ordered. =20F THAT'S IT!  ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!  This will= =20vF guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address o= n it,=20F will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the re= port!r* ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS * ------------------------------------------, *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Notes:F - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT CHEQUES NOT ACC= EPTEDt- - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAILeF - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least three sh= eets=20s of paper: (IF NOT MORE SO THAT THE BILL CAN'T BE SEEN AGAINST LIGHT)+ - On one of those sheets of paper, include:e5 (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering,. (b) your e-mail address, andF (c) Your name & postal address (as return address in case the post of= fice=20i encounters problems).a  ' PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW:D6 ______________________________________________________F REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Interne= t."h   ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:a Lissa & Sean Waters  5329 Donohoe Ave.a Eugene, OR. 97402g6 ______________________________________________________F REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet= ."   ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:r Eduardo Velazquez  111 East 167 Street apt #36E Bronx, NY  104526 ______________________________________________________@ REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet."   ORDER REPORT #3 FROM:m William Frometae 1187 Clay avenue apt 1st Bronx, NY  104563 ___________________________________________________aF REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multile= vel=20 Marketing and the Internet."   ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:f Jeanne Quinn 1119 Portsmouth Aveh Greenland, NH 03840n6 ______________________________________________________  / About 50,000 new people get online every month!g    ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS *******  F * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS!  Be prompt, professional, and follow t= he=20d directions accurately.  F * Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when th= e=20 orders start coming in because:p  A * When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested=20r product/report.r  = * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICES ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE.3  B * Be patient and persistent with this program.  If you follow the= =20l6 instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL!  > * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED!  ' ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES *******a  2 Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:  F If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, contin= ue=20YF advertising or sending e-mails until you do.  Then, a couple of weeks=	  later=202D you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2.  If you don't,= =20 5 continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do.   F Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELA= X,=20hF because the system is already working for you, and the cash will cont= inue=20m to roll in!    THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER:F Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in fro= nt of=20F a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching w= hich=20nB report people are ordering from you.  If you want to generate moreF income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and sta=	 rt the=20O whole process again!  Thered? is no limit to the income you will generate from this business!c  F Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in=  this=20F program.  Please answer one question.....                           D= O YOU=20 WANT TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE?aD If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this= =20u program:  D 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT THAT DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE!  A 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT THAT DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP!=  F 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT THAT DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVER= TISE=20n (except for bulk mailing cost)!   F 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI=	 -LEVEL=20 8 MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD!  F 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $20 AND BULK MAILING CO= ST=20o INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME!  F 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE= =20h PROFIT!p  . 7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER.  ' ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S *******   F This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially th=	 e rule=20 % of not trying to place your name in asE different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential=  =20vF income.  I'm living proof that it works.  It really is a great opport= unity=20F to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you.  If you do ch= oose=20YF to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way=  to=20 financial security.e Steven Bardfield, Portland, OR6 ******************************************************F My name is Mitchell.  My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am =	 a cost=20EF accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money= . =20lF When I received the program, I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk= =20 D mail."  I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the= =200F population and percentages involved.  I "knew" it wouldn't work.  Jod= y=20F totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet= .  I=20N madeF merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on=  her=20rF when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two w= eeks,=20F she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days, she had received = over=20oF $147,200 in $5 bills!  I was shocked!  I was sure that I had it all f=	 igured=200F and that it wouldn't work.  I AM a believer now.  I have joined Jody =	 in her=200F "hobby."  I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think o= f the=206 "rat race" and it's not for me.  We owe it all to MLM. Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL6 ******************************************************F The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system i= s=20F honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amo=	 unt of=20lF money in a short time.  I was approached several times before I check= ed=20iF this out.  I joined just to see what one could expect in return for t= he=205C minimal effort and money required.  To my astonishment, I received=  =20M@ $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in.=20 Charles Morris, Esq.3 *************************************************** F Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my m=	 ind to=20 F participate in this plan.  But conservative that I am, I decided that=  the=20.F initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wo=	 uldn't=20fF get enough orders to at least get my money back.  Boy, was I surprise=	 d when=20rF I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhil= e, it=20F got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the windo= w. =20F I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. T= he=20d nice thing about this deal is=F that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply isn't a better= =20u  investment with a faster return. Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA2 **************************************************F I had received this program before.  I deleted it, but later I wonder= ed if=20F I shouldn't have given it a try.  Of course, I had no idea who to con= tact=20=F to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another pr=
 ogram. =20F Eleven months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!!!  I ma= de=20u$ more than $41,000 on the first try!! Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA4 ****************************************************F This is my third time to participate in this plan.  We have quit our = jobs,=20F and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on ou= r=20F money.  The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if =	 you do=20 F it.  For your sake and for your family's sake don't pass up this gold= en=20e+ opportunity.  Good luck and happy spending!! Kerry Ford, Centerport, NY3 *************************************************** F ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FR= EEDOM!  E NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS POWERFUL RESULTS 6 ______________________________________________________ FOR YOUR INFORMATION:rF If you need help with starting a business, registering a business nam= e,=20 F learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office o= f the=20F Small Business Administration (a Federal agency) 1-(800) 827-5722 for=  free=20F help and answers to questions.  Also, the Internal Revenue Service of= fers=20tF free help via telephone and free seminars about business tax requirem= ents.   D IT IS TOTALLY UP TO YOU HOW!!!  CAN YOU HANDLE SUCCESS AND ALL THAT= =20* MONEY???7 _______________________________________________________oF Under Bills.1618 Title III passed by the 105th US Congress this lette= r=20F cannot be considered Spam as the sender includes contact information = and a=20F method of removal.  This is a one-time e-mail transmission.  No reque=	 st for=20c removal is necessary.t= Sean Waters 5329 Donohoe Ave. Eugene, Oregon 97402 5414611899h   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:52:09 -0800r+ From: "Wayne Holland" <wholland@tscnet.com>n# Subject: Re: Himalaya / Alpha / VMS*O Message-ID: <59D7A014AA3AED1B.FA8EEFACFE81CE08.CBA019F529856B52@lp.airnews.net>    > > Christof Brass wrote:   = > I seems that VMS is the OS which offers the widest range ofm9 > usage possibilities: realtime, transactional, failover,h: > interactive, multi-user, distributed - except running in> > embedded systems (or are there even a military version which@ > exactly does that?). The problem could be that for each singleB > dimension there is another OS which is more suitable. OTH VMS is= > probably superior in more than one dimension if compared tod > every OS.   B Not a military version,... but a militarized version was produced.D The USS Enterprise had a militarized VAX bolted to the deck near the hull.  The military liked it.   B > The conclusion is that VMS should be used where more than one of< > these dimensions are important. If it could be made strongB > enough to compete on every single dimension than this is the way? > to go. This is the Micro$oft strategy: beat the competitor on 7 > its strongest dimension regardless what it will cost.r > < > Of course, political reasons could prevent any competition< > between OSs. If VMS is going to fade away will this happen > before OS/2 will disappear?    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:39:55 GMTe From: richard_maher@my-deja.com # Subject: Re: Himalaya / Alpha / VMSP) Message-ID: <950str$fn5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,y  G One thing that you might be interested in is that Himalaya can talk TIP B (Transaction Internet Protocol) and can therefore participate in aE distributed 2PC with a W2K SQLServer database. Trader's system W2K to,B Exchange's Himilaya? W2K Teller machine to Bank's Himalaya server?  2 Why was it again that Compaq's customers need VMS?  G (And more importantly, why are we being denied TIP functionality on VMS-G by Messrs Incompetent and Ineffectual? If it's good enough for Compaq'sr, flagship system then why can't VMS have it?)   Regards Richard Maher   A PS. If you people cared/complained more about issues of substancehE rather than sound bites and nuances then VMS would be in a lot betterr shape.  , In article <3A735EB9.9BEE165D@infopuls.com>,,   Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:@ > Two years ago I attended a Compaq technical presentation where? > it was stated that a unique feature so called lockstep of theo< > CPUs used for the Himalaya systems, which is kind of an HWA > transaction mechanism on CPU level as far as I understood, will2B > be built into Alpha and future versions of NSK would be migrated2 > to Alpha and the other CPU line will be dropped. >PB > Does anybody know if this scenario is still true if it ever was?= > Does anybody know what kind of CPU the Himalaya systems areP- > currently using and how powerful these are?P > = > Could someone explain in a few words what the nature of theA; > Himalaya OS, the Tandem NSK as far as I understand, is askB > compared to VMS? I understood that a major concern within cov is, > that VMS will be dropped in favour of NSK.@ > I like VMS most, not for its name but for its features (designA > and philosophy are features). If NSK offers all these features,  > fine with me.  >iB > And sorry if I'm confusing things. I think that Himalaya is some/ > kind of Tandem HW which only runs the NSK OS.  >      Sent via Deja.comr http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2001 23:39:43 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Re: Himalaya / Alpha / VMSd- Message-ID: <878znvptxc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>m  , young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:  5 > 	Himalya uses MIPS.  Lock-step was added to EV7 andt > 	will be used by NSK.t. Do you have a pointer or ref for the EV7 part?    ; Rember MIRA? and the failover Vaxen? A cluster it was foundt; did most everything that they aimed at. There are spots in  = RT, and also things like POS networks where visible fail-overl is not good enough.s   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.h@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 07:16:42 GMTr+ From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <public@kits.net>e8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours< Message-ID: <uHPc6.11274$1%2.513083@sjc-read.news.verio.net>  : "Terry C Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in message> news:Pine.SGI.4.21.0101280045360.24317-100000@world.std.com...  I > This "Death of OpenVMS" rumour sounds specious. I missed the conference E > webcast due to other obligations, but it sounds more like an act of L > omission (no references to VMS) than a death warrant. Windoze is not readyJ > for prime time in the VMS space, nor will it be for quite some time. TheK > business is actually growing again, the revenue is substantial--much moreEH > than Himalaya NSK--and the margin is in excess of 50 percent. It wouldL > make no sense for CPQ to mess with this formula, especially with declining > growth in the Wintel space.   . Maybe they are planning to rename it again? ;)   Why else is such a secrecy?F   Kit.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 04:45:45 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours, Message-ID: <3A73EA45.1F2052AF@videotron.ca>   Terry C Shannon wrote:L > omission (no references to VMS) than a death warrant. Windoze is not ready" > for prime time in the VMS space,  K What is the VMS space ? Compaq's web cast filled the "space" with its otherpM OSes leaving no room for VMS. And as far as NT not ready for prime time, thatl$ is not the message given by Compaq.     K > business is actually growing again, the revenue is substantial--much morel > than Himalaya NSK--i  I Bot according to the numbers published. I beleive NSK made over a billion K while VMS just under a billion. (although you'd have to verify this). I canhN beleive VMS has improved. But if it did turn around, you'd think that Capellas  would have proudly mentioned it.    L > make no sense for CPQ to mess with this formula, especially with declining > growth in the Wintel space.s  J Wintel base enterprise servers grew by 24%, and the business critical grew2 only by 17%. (this includes unix, tandem and vms).  K Whether Capellas presented the whole facts or not, what is important is theU7 image he projected, And in that image, VMS has no room.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:34:01 GMTI- From: Terry C Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> 8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild RumoursD Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.21.0101280932420.22414-100000@world.std.com>  - On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, Nikita V. Belenki wrote:-  < > "Terry C Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in message@ > news:Pine.SGI.4.21.0101280045360.24317-100000@world.std.com... > K > > This "Death of OpenVMS" rumour sounds specious. I missed the conferenceEG > > webcast due to other obligations, but it sounds more like an act ofeN > > omission (no references to VMS) than a death warrant. Windoze is not readyL > > for prime time in the VMS space, nor will it be for quite some time. TheM > > business is actually growing again, the revenue is substantial--much morerJ > > than Himalaya NSK--and the margin is in excess of 50 percent. It wouldN > > make no sense for CPQ to mess with this formula, especially with declining > > growth in the Wintel space.  > 0 > Maybe they are planning to rename it again? ;)   Heaven forbid. >  > Why else is such a secrecy?r >     C I suspect this is no more than yet another Stupid VMS Marketing and9. Messaging Trick. Wouldn't be the first time...   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2001 09:55:00 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) 8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours* Message-ID: <951bs4$hq7$1@lisa.gemair.com>  , In article <3A73EA45.1F2052AF@videotron.ca>,/ JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  >Terry C Shannon wrote:EM >> omission (no references to VMS) than a death warrant. Windoze is not ready_# >> for prime time in the VMS space,_ >_L >What is the VMS space ? Compaq's web cast filled the "space" with its otherN >OSes leaving no room for VMS. And as far as NT not ready for prime time, that% >is not the message given by Compaq. 3 >n  G As you mention below, Windows is a big growth market.  If MS is helpingwE you to market your biggest growth market, you'd be crazy not to play  D along.  That doesn't mean that your other products will be neglected' in development and targetted marketing.d   >tL >> business is actually growing again, the revenue is substantial--much more >> than Himalaya NSK-- >hJ >Bot according to the numbers published. I beleive NSK made over a billionL >while VMS just under a billion. (although you'd have to verify this). I canO >beleive VMS has improved. But if it did turn around, you'd think that Capellass! >would have proudly mentioned it.E >U  I Capellas does things for strategic reasons.  There may be joint marketing*H with Compaq partners at work here (hint: M$), but that doesn't mean that VMS is dead.   >fM >> make no sense for CPQ to mess with this formula, especially with decliningd >> growth in the Wintel space. >yK >Wintel base enterprise servers grew by 24%, and the business critical grew 3 >only by 17%. (this includes unix, tandem and vms).a >rL >Whether Capellas presented the whole facts or not, what is important is the8 >image he projected, And in that image, VMS has no room.  G As Terry pointed out, CPQ would be crazy not to support a business thatl& is so profitable and actually growing.  G Look, you can read whatever you want into it, but I'm still optimistic.tE There are some here who want to read everything in the negative.  HowhD long has there been whining and nashing of teeth over the fact that E Gartner never has anything good to say about VMS?  Well, Gartner justnE issued a really good report on VMS, but now, there's something new too( cry about, so you focus on that instead.  E Get over it.  Even if VMS was dying, all this extended negativity andiF whining doesn't help matters in the least.  How do you think this very? public forum looks to the mostly VMS-ignorant public out there?a  F Say some CIO reads the positive Gartner press and says to himself "I'mG sick of all these Wintel and UNIX over-promises.  I wonder, could it be!B true that VMS is still viable?"  Then does a quick Net search for F information and finds comp.os.vms where long-time VMS USERS are sayingD "oh, dear, oh my, VMS will be dead in weeks, it's all over now, blah= blah blah".  What effect does THAT have on the future of VMS?   J I'm NOT saying that we should all be pollyannas here.  I really appreciateL David Mathogs attention to specific goals (~$2K VMS box some years back) andI clear presentation of hard performance data.  We need more of this.  More L specifics, more specific goals and hard data and less wringing of hands and K crying "Why has Capellas failed to mention us?? What have we done?? All is u lost!!!"   -Jordan Hendersony jordan@greenapple.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:34:36 +0000') From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> 8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours, Message-ID: <3A74582C.BB293C01@infopuls.com>   Jordan Henderson wrote:I > . > In article <3A73EA45.1F2052AF@videotron.ca>,1 > JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  > >Terry C Shannon wrote:nO > >> omission (no references to VMS) than a death warrant. Windoze is not ready % > >> for prime time in the VMS space,d > >vN > >What is the VMS space ? Compaq's web cast filled the "space" with its otherP > >OSes leaving no room for VMS. And as far as NT not ready for prime time, that& > >is not the message given by Compaq. > >a > I > As you mention below, Windows is a big growth market.  If MS is helpingpF > you to market your biggest growth market, you'd be crazy not to playF > along.  That doesn't mean that your other products will be neglected) > in development and targetted marketing.o >  > >oN > >> business is actually growing again, the revenue is substantial--much more > >> than Himalaya NSK-- > >=L > >Bot according to the numbers published. I beleive NSK made over a billionN > >while VMS just under a billion. (although you'd have to verify this). I canQ > >beleive VMS has improved. But if it did turn around, you'd think that Capellas # > >would have proudly mentioned it.n > >  > K > Capellas does things for strategic reasons.  There may be joint marketing J > with Compaq partners at work here (hint: M$), but that doesn't mean that > VMS is dead. > I > As Terry pointed out, CPQ would be crazy not to support a business thats( > is so profitable and actually growing. > I > Look, you can read whatever you want into it, but I'm still optimistic.mG > There are some here who want to read everything in the negative.  HowjE > long has there been whining and nashing of teeth over the fact thataG > Gartner never has anything good to say about VMS?  Well, Gartner just,G > issued a really good report on VMS, but now, there's something new tor* > cry about, so you focus on that instead. > G > Get over it.  Even if VMS was dying, all this extended negativity andmH > whining doesn't help matters in the least.  How do you think this veryA > public forum looks to the mostly VMS-ignorant public out there?t > H > Say some CIO reads the positive Gartner press and says to himself "I'mI > sick of all these Wintel and UNIX over-promises.  I wonder, could it beiC > true that VMS is still viable?"  Then does a quick Net search foroH > information and finds comp.os.vms where long-time VMS USERS are sayingF > "oh, dear, oh my, VMS will be dead in weeks, it's all over now, blah? > blah blah".  What effect does THAT have on the future of VMS?e > L > I'm NOT saying that we should all be pollyannas here.  I really appreciateN > David Mathogs attention to specific goals (~$2K VMS box some years back) andK > clear presentation of hard performance data.  We need more of this.  MoredM > specifics, more specific goals and hard data and less wringing of hands and L > crying "Why has Capellas failed to mention us?? What have we done?? All is
 > lost!!!" >  > -Jordan Hendersont > jordan@greenapple.coml  ? Simple question: will an investment in VMS be profitable within!9 20 years? We all expect VMS to be there at least 20 years*@ because Compaq took the obligation for that. You have to compare? the current alternatives and then decide. The point is that VMSe@ has to be one of the alternatives a company is evaluating. Let's= help that this will happen as much as possible where it makes  sense.   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jan 2001 17:21:41 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)p8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours' Message-ID: <951kf5$75f$1@joe.rice.edu>E  0 Jordan Henderson (jordan@lisa.gemair.com) wrote: :NI : As you mention below, Windows is a big growth market.  If MS is helpingPG : you to market your biggest growth market, you'd be crazy not to play  F : along.  That doesn't mean that your other products will be neglected) : in development and targetted marketing.w  E Other companies have "buried their gold" out of fear from retributionl from M$; e.g. H-P's OpenMAIL :  H   http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/00/01/17/000117oppetreley.xmlJ   And now announcing the General Protection Fault award "winners" for 1999  I   "OpenMail is not only a drop-in replacement for Microsoft Exchange, it  L    is faster, more scalable, more stable, less expensive, and performs some K    tasks more intelligently than Exchange. But HP won't market OpenMail as eJ    an Exchange replacement. HP is petrified of what Microsoft might do in     retaliation."   :aG : Get over it.  Even if VMS was dying, all this extended negativity and H : whining doesn't help matters in the least.  How do you think this veryA : public forum looks to the mostly VMS-ignorant public out there?- :-H : Say some CIO reads the positive Gartner press and says to himself "I'mI : sick of all these Wintel and UNIX over-promises.  I wonder, could it beDD : true that VMS is still viable?"  Then does a quick Net search for H : information and finds comp.os.vms where long-time VMS USERS are sayingF : "oh, dear, oh my, VMS will be dead in weeks, it's all over now, blah? : blah blah".  What effect does THAT have on the future of VMS?n  E You have more faith in the technical ability of CIOs than I do, basedxF on limited exposure.  Even most IT staffs don't use USENET newsgroups,. not realizing the technical help they can get.  C If anyone is convinced that shareholders' best interests are being d? neglected because of M$, the place to post such opinions, WITH rB SUPPORTING EVIDENCE, is in forums that market analysts follow, andG not in a technical newsgroup, such as comp.os.vms or comp.sys.hp.hpux. i> Some investor-oriented web sites have discussion forums; e.g.:  &    http://www.redherring.com/investor/  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:57:04 +0000t% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>d8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours* Message-ID: <3A745D6F.8CCCE72F@virgin.net>   Terry C Shannon wrote:  I > This "Death of OpenVMS" rumour sounds specious. I missed the conference-E > webcast due to other obligations, but it sounds more like an act ofe >y   Terry,  N The conference is available for replay from the Compaq web site.  Try to watchI it if you have time and listen in horror as Capellas and his crew tell ust* very, very clearly where Compaq is headed.    J > for prime time in the VMS space, nor will it be for quite some time. TheK > business is actually growing again, the revenue is substantial--much moreiH > than Himalaya NSK--and the margin is in excess of 50 percent. It wouldL > make no sense for CPQ to mess with this formula, especially with declining > growth in the Wintel space.? >   I Himalya was mentioned several times in the presentations. Capellas stated K explictly that Himalaya had a future. Capellas actually more or less stateduI that all the stock exchanges ran on Himalaya. VMS was nowhere to be seen.a   >b	 > cheers,p >  > charlie matco3   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:49:30 -0500 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>w8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours( Message-ID: <951pbp$jo8$1@pyrite.mv.net>  : Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message$ news:951bs4$hq7$1@lisa.gemair.com.... > In article <3A73EA45.1F2052AF@videotron.ca>,1 > JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:l > >Terry C Shannon wrote: I > >> omission (no references to VMS) than a death warrant. Windoze is noty readyo% > >> for prime time in the VMS space,  > > H > >What is the VMS space ? Compaq's web cast filled the "space" with its otherfK > >OSes leaving no room for VMS. And as far as NT not ready for prime time,n that& > >is not the message given by Compaq. > >h >aI > As you mention below, Windows is a big growth market.  If MS is helping F > you to market your biggest growth market, you'd be crazy not to playF > along.  That doesn't mean that your other products will be neglected) > in development and targetted marketing.i  F It *needn't* mean that your other products will be neglected.  But theI evidence is overwhelming that in the case of VMS that's *exactly* what it-< means, and I wouldn't be too comfortable about Tru64 either.   >R > >oI > >> business is actually growing again, the revenue is substantial--muchD more > >> than Himalaya NSK-- > > L > >Bot according to the numbers published. I beleive NSK made over a billionJ > >while VMS just under a billion. (although you'd have to verify this). I canfH > >beleive VMS has improved. But if it did turn around, you'd think that Capellas# > >would have proudly mentioned it.  > >h > K > Capellas does things for strategic reasons.  There may be joint marketinglJ > with Compaq partners at work here (hint: M$), but that doesn't mean that > VMS is dead.  I Of course not:  it's Compaq's lack of support for *any* action that would E help VMS compete outside its existing customer base that means VMS ise0 comatose ('dead' it is not, but neither is RSX).   >- > >aE > >> make no sense for CPQ to mess with this formula, especially withi	 decliningu  > >> growth in the Wintel space. > >eH > >Wintel base enterprise servers grew by 24%, and the business critical grew5 > >only by 17%. (this includes unix, tandem and vms).a > >eJ > >Whether Capellas presented the whole facts or not, what is important is theO: > >image he projected, And in that image, VMS has no room. >cI > As Terry pointed out, CPQ would be crazy not to support a business thatn( > is so profitable and actually growing.  J Terry's viewpoint may not be completely unbiased:  Compaq is his bread and! butter, whether VMS lives or not.i  J And VMS's growth, last I heard, was hardly impressive.  My personal beliefG is that it *could* be impressive if Compaq really got behind it, but iteG seems pretty clear that Compaq's leadership doesn't share that opinion:hI they seem to feel that VMS's profit potential is short-term regardless of K what they do with it, hence are reluctant to devote any long-term resourcese to the job.    >0I > Look, you can read whatever you want into it, but I'm still optimistic.:G > There are some here who want to read everything in the negative.  How2E > long has there been whining and nashing of teeth over the fact thatoG > Gartner never has anything good to say about VMS?  Well, Gartner just G > issued a really good report on VMS, but now, there's something new to"* > cry about, so you focus on that instead.  K You can be as optimistic as you want.  Some people might prefer not to sinkb with the ship.   >iG > Get over it.  Even if VMS was dying, all this extended negativity and H > whining doesn't help matters in the least.  How do you think this veryA > public forum looks to the mostly VMS-ignorant public out there?   G I'd hope it makes them think long and hard before deciding to commit to J using VMS in any long-term project.  That would be a public service, in my opinion.   >sH > Say some CIO reads the positive Gartner press and says to himself "I'mI > sick of all these Wintel and UNIX over-promises.  I wonder, could it be C > true that VMS is still viable?"  Then does a quick Net search forvH > information and finds comp.os.vms where long-time VMS USERS are sayingF > "oh, dear, oh my, VMS will be dead in weeks, it's all over now, blah? > blah blah".  What effect does THAT have on the future of VMS?   L That's for Compaq to decide.  If it chooses to take the actions necessary toJ make VMS's long-term viability more believable, then it will likely find aE large chorus of evangelists ready to spread the word.  The sentimentseB expressed here didn't *cause* VMS's current predicament, they're a, *reaction* to it - and a realistic reaction.   >lL > I'm NOT saying that we should all be pollyannas here.  I really appreciateJ > David Mathogs attention to specific goals (~$2K VMS box some years back) andnK > clear presentation of hard performance data.  We need more of this.  MoresI > specifics, more specific goals and hard data and less wringing of handso andmL > crying "Why has Capellas failed to mention us?? What have we done?? All is
 > lost!!!"  E Capellas apparently did mention VMS, by implication:  didn't he state ; explicitly that anything he hadn't mentioned was dead meat?l  K You're welcome to your opinion, and free to spread it.  But don't castigatenK those whose opinions differ:  they're not part of the problem, they're partr0 of the solution - whatever that solution may be.   - bill   >a > -Jordan Hendersonn > jordan@greenapple.comf >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:32:40 -08005+ From: "Wayne Holland" <wholland@tscnet.com>e- Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS get off nowtO Message-ID: <77E939BFF721FD12.4D03183A5E75320C.E8F574D1C481D986@lp.airnews.net>A  > "Vance Haemmerle" <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> wrote in message- news:3A71CF83.4A80898C@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US...o > Peter Weaver wrote:) > > @ > > "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote in message6 > > news:94sj2k$duh$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com...	 > > > ...h% > > > Wonder how the crowd feels now.  > >o5 > > Scared, nervous, worried, terrified, petrified...h > C >   Selling their Compaq stock?  Capellas is as clueless as Ekhard.iH > I'm glad I sold my 1100 shares of CPQ last May for $26/share.  Nothing( > has happened that has changed my mind. > L For those that don't know Allen Greenspan... get all of your holdings out of the stock marketL NOW!!!   By March 2001, it is expected to go down quite a bit... then a slow rebound at the endJ of summer... no accidents, just plans.  Why?  Who knows.  I heard thru the mil. grapevine in Feb 2000K to get your stocks out as Allen was going to eventually slow things down...c worried about overL evaluations of stocks.  We got out in April and preserved our principal.  My banker friend in LosL Angeles gave up his VP job and told me that by 2004 things are going bust... on this I think heK got too paranoid.  I think its all profit wrangling.  Glad I listened to myf friends or I'd be broke!   > --D > Vance Haemmerle               Internet   vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US# > Tucson, AZ                    Web " http://toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US/~vance/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:40:40 -0800 + From: "Wayne Holland" <wholland@tscnet.com>r- Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS get off nowcO Message-ID: <3A0466322F2DAF9A.675B79C891EC27E1.EF7166E166A22B12@lp.airnews.net>a  E It may be possible that Compaq is giving up VMS on a silver plater to.
 Microsoft.  ) <cstranslations@msn.com> wrote in message # news:950aok$2l2$1@nnrp1.deja.com...r; > In article <3a7347cc$0$70808$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net>,s3 >   "Dave Gudewicz" <dgudewicz@megsinet.net> wrote:t' > > MC response to the license plate Q:o > >a% > > Absolutely not!  Why did you ask?a > >lH > > I responded that w/no word of VMS during the meet the press sessions > lastH > > week, and you saying anything not mentioned is sorta dead meat, etc. > etc. > >nH > > Also got mail and a phone call at home from Peter Blackmore, Exec VP > ofA > > Sales and Services and he assures me that VMS is an important  > ingredient toeI > > the success of Compaq.  I'm interested in hearing what else he has toa > say.E > > I wasn't around for the call at home, but impressed that he cared  > enough toq	 > > call.a > H > I've been doing OpenVMS since giving up on grad school almost 10 yearsI > ago (so you can say it's the bread and butter). First exposure was backlH > as an undergraduate (although I believe the alma mater dropped OpenVMSH > in favor on Unix back around '92). For those entire 10 years it's beenH > well known that VMS is a dying OS, VMS is a dead OS, VMS is a dead and; > buried OS. Who knows - many be it is (one of the 3) . . .s >MF > I can walk into the nearest Barns anf Noble and there will be a wallE > (rivaling the Great Wall of China) of books in the computer sectioneF > covering Microsoft. It will start with the "dummy books." Windows 98A > for Dummies, Windows 98 2nd edition for Dummies, Windows NT for3F > Dummies, Windows Me for Dummies, Windows 2000 for Dummies, Excel forF > Dummies, Word for Dummies, Visual Basic for Dummies, (well - you getG > the point). I can walk into the nearest McDonald's and ask the person5E > that hands me a cheese burger if they've ever heard of Windows. I'm H > sure that person will tell me yes (and give me a strange look). Then IB > can ask that person if he or she has ever heard of OpenVMS . . . >eI > In the face of this is there any big surprise in the fact that CapellasiI > said he's re-doubling all efforts to help Microsoft take over the worldo% > in a talk to a bunch of "analysts?"g >iG > By the same token what do you expect to hear (at this point) in a one G > on one conversation other than some blab on just how committed Compaqo > is to OpenVMS? >l > Joel >. >h > Sent via Deja.comy > http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2001 07:59:45 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)a- Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS get off now=+ Message-ID: <HwVzeTijPf59@eisner.decus.org>I   In article <rdeininger-2801010038000001@user-2iveavb.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:i  > >  And you don't have the MMS files to help with the building.   There are no MMS files.eC DEQ uses the VDE tool (available on the Freeware) with Rdb and DCL.e  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2001 20:34:09 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS get off nowt- Message-ID: <87u26jq2im.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   , Eric Ebinger <eebinger@telocity.com> writes:  F > Consider the audience.  Analysts are not, umm...the most technically> > astute group known to man.   Judging by recent statements onB > the viability of Compaq by one analyst they don't seem to have aA > clue that there are computers that don't run Windows.  It wouldeE > seem that pushing a platform other than Windows (or possibly Linux)S? > is a good way to get the analysts to recommend that investorsv= > drop Compaq stock.  Given the current state of Compaq stocki( > prices that would not be a good thing.  @ So how does this affect the company, unless they have stock used> as security for loans? Up or down, it's a zero-sum game, minus3 broker fees. It does not affect the company at all!b  C > While it would have been a Good Thing for Capellas to have statede? > that Compaq was going to push VMS to make up for the weaknesss= > in the PC market the lack of any statement regarding VMS ish> > not necessarily a Bad Thing.  Remember that one of Capellas'D > constraints is to at the very least maintain Compaq's share price.A > That means don't do things that get the analysts upset.  Compaq B > going against the tide by pushing a proprietary operating systemN > against Windows and the (so-called) Open System market (Unix/Linux/Solaris).L           ^^^^^^^                                                    ^^^^^^^  & Ah, now I understand... What a load...  H Plus, if he has not clued in to the skittish state of the VMS user base,C and how massivly that undermines the Q in general to the other unixsJ snake oilers, then he is a few bob short of a full quid. ( Cents in the $, for you left-pond folk )  L > VMS will be supported by Compaq as long as it makes money.  Given Compaq'sB VMS will be supported till the 5-siders won't pay you a visit with) a hit-squad. Supported for them at least.M  4 > most recent financial statement and the statements@ > that the VMS market is responsible for ~$4B in revenue and has@ > over a 50% margin, what would Compaq's bottom line have looked > like WITHOUT VMS?m > A > Rebuilding the VMS market is going to be difficult enough.  The.C > last thing Capellas wants to do is rattle the analysts because ifdE > they get rattled the Compaq stock holders are likely to get rattlede@ > and the Compaq stock holders getting rattled definitely counts > as a Bad Thing.w  = Haveing the PHM next quarter outlook idiots leaving the sharen list would be a huge blessing.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2001 10:00:20 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)i- Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS get off nown* Message-ID: <951c64$i3t$1@lisa.gemair.com>  , In article <3A73AF89.3586C2EE@videotron.ca>,/ JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:o >Bill Todd wrote:uL >> If people wanted to do something that *might* be constructive, they couldO >> band together and present Capellas with a list of what actions it would takeoN >> to keep them from bailing out:  at least that would force Compaq to ante up% >> or suffer immediate consequences, h >  >gM >Another possible action would be in fact to spead as much "Compaq is killing O >VMS" messages around, as loun as possible to a point where Garner and CNET etcSO >write about it. Then, if Compaq wants to preserve what's left of VMS will havelG >to take serious and public actions to show it means business with VMS.e  H If I were a Compaq executive that had any influence over VMS, this wouldG turn my stomach.  Nobody can address statements like "Compaq is killingtI VMS" adequately.  Particularly to a group that is so bent on interpreting I everything in the negative.  If CPQ doubled the development and marketingcH monies spent on VMS tomorrow, I'd expect there to be some here who wouldM whine that it's still less than they spend on joint marketing with Microsoft.i  F I agree with Bill, specific goals, specific actions, thats the way to  dialogue with Executives.t   -Jordan Henderson. jordan@greenapple.comj   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:03:55 +0000.% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> - Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS get off nowd* Message-ID: <3A745F0B.DE6E930C@virgin.net>   Wayne Holland wrote:  G > It may be possible that Compaq is giving up VMS on a silver plater to  > Microsoft. >l  F Cutler gets VMS handed to him on that platter as a nice pre retirementM present? Gets to finish the project he started back at DEC by bolting VMS APIs on top of the NT kernel...   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:33:28 -0500a' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>r- Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS get off nowx( Message-ID: <951odm$j7l$1@pyrite.mv.net>  : Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message$ news:951c64$i3t$1@lisa.gemair.com.... > In article <3A73AF89.3586C2EE@videotron.ca>,1 > JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:l > >Bill Todd wrote:eH > >> If people wanted to do something that *might* be constructive, they could L > >> band together and present Capellas with a list of what actions it would takeH > >> to keep them from bailing out:  at least that would force Compaq to ante upm& > >> or suffer immediate consequences, > >: > >IG > >Another possible action would be in fact to spead as much "Compaq isi killing>H > >VMS" messages around, as loun as possible to a point where Garner and CNET etcL > >write about it. Then, if Compaq wants to preserve what's left of VMS will haveI > >to take serious and public actions to show it means business with VMS.  > J > If I were a Compaq executive that had any influence over VMS, this would > turn my stomach.  L However, the *reason* it should turn your stomach is that Compaq should haveI allowed the situation to deteriorate to the point that VMS customers feeldJ compelled to turn to external forces.  Not that I'm suggesting that Compaq9 executives have anything like that degree of objectivity.   7   Nobody can address statements like "Compaq is killing K > VMS" adequately.  Particularly to a group that is so bent on interpretingc > everything in the negative.l  K That could have something to do with the lack of *any* substantive positivew things available to interpret.  .   If CPQ doubled the development and marketingJ > monies spent on VMS tomorrow, I'd expect there to be some here who wouldD > whine that it's still less than they spend on joint marketing with
 Microsoft.  F If Compaq doubled development spending, that would indeed be worthy ofI applause.  Doubling VMS marketing expenditures could be done out of pettyn cash, and would be irrelevant.   >oG > I agree with Bill, specific goals, specific actions, thats the way tor > dialogue with Executives.l  I A group of us tried that, as I've noted.  Capellas shuffled the letter torG Marcello, who clearly has little independent influence at the corporatesG level:  he only gets to use the inadequate funding allotted to him, andfB obviously has significant constraints in how he employs even that.  I While it would be nice not to have to, when the mule doesn't respond it's C time to pick up a 2x4 and get its attention.  Or find another mule.k   - bill   >C > -Jordan Hendersonf > jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:39:26 -0600s+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>c7 Subject: RE: Midrange I/O with VMS WAS: DS20 - Slow I/O N Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284CD1@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>  < >>> The RaidArray 3000 still seems to be sold by Compaq. <<<   Yep. .  
 Reference:H <http://www5.compaq.com/products/storageworks/raidstorage/maRA3000.html>   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional ServicesC Voice: 613-592-4660d Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----1 From: Eric Ebinger [mailto:eebinger@telocity.com]b Sent: January 27, 2001 11:32 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr7 Subject: Re: Midrange I/O with VMS WAS: DS20 - Slow I/Oi    4 The RaidArray 3000 still seems to be sold by Compaq.  " Yes, it does claim to support VMS.   Eric Ebinger   -----Original Message-----" From: fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com>1 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> ) Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:11 AMe3 Subject: Midrange I/O with VMS WAS: DS20 - Slow I/Oo    F >So I think we've all come to the same conclusion - this system sucks. >aF >I'm looking around at other midrange options, and I don't see any. ItG >looks like my options are the KZPAC, and HSZ80. So what I'm hearing is I >that Compaq and OpenVMS only support two backplane RAID controllers: one 3 >that is 5 years old and the other that is $25,000.e >iH >I understand the industry trend is moving to detached storage, but hereH >I am, an admin of a VMS based financial system with 16Gigs of data, andF >I can't buy a decent performing Ultra Wide 64bit RAID controller thatD >can do RAID 5 with (3) 18gig disks? How do I justify a $25,000 RAIDF >controller for a system with 20 users? I can get a DS10 with a KZPCC,G >which would suit my needs perfectly, but what I'm seeing is that there 1 >is no support for VMS, and none planned for 7.3.  >tE >If some could write back and say that I can get the KZPCC and a DS10sE >working under OpenVMS with a 4224 enclosure, I'd be the happiest mand@ >alive. (C'mon people - today is my birthday. Help me out here.) >yG >In any event, if anyone can offer their I/O success story (preferrably H >that doesn't involve the KZPAC) I'd appreciate. That could even includeH >performance of volume shadowing with faster, non-raid SCSI controllers. >i >Thanks, >Johnb >  >n* >In article <949rps$mcj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,& >  fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com> wrote:H >> I know that the KZPAC is not supposed to be the shining stars of diskF >> performance, but we just purchased two DS20s, and I have to say I'mI >> really disappointed in the performance of the disk subsystem. I've runhC >> the gambit of configurations, and I have yet to get the DS20s to  >perform >> faster than my desktop PC.d >>E >> My test was copying several large files (Oracle dumps - each aboutr4 >> 200MB) from one directory on the disk to another. >> >> DS20s >> >> Number of Disks: (4) 9GB # >> RAID Config: RAID 10 - 2 Channell >> Cluster Size: 35t >> MB/Sec: 1.13c >> >> Number of Disks: (4) 9GBt# >> RAID Config: RAID 10 - 2 Channelw >> Cluster Size: 1 >> MB/Sec: 1.48o >> >> Number of Disks: (4) 9GB.# >> RAID Config: RAID 10 - 1 Channelp >> Cluster Size: 1 >> MB/Sec: 1.20h >> >> Number of Disks: (1) 9GBs% >> RAID Config: SLED/JBOD - 1 Channel. >> Cluster Size: 1A >> MB/Sec: Tested all four disks. Results range from 1.07 to 1.37- >>, >> Number of Disks: (1) 3GB Solid State Disk. >> RAID Config: N/A - attached to Symbios Card >> Cluster Size: 1 >> MB/Sec: 13.21G >> (Not Bad, but for a $30k hard drive it should be better. Compaq says8 >it@G >> has a maximum sustainable transfer rate of ~60MB/Sec, I'd settle forn >20a >> in this test) >> >> Dell PowerEdge 4300 >># >> Number of Disks: (2) 9GB 7200RPMD" >> RAID Config: RAID 1 - 1 Channel >> Cluster Size: N/A >> MB/Sec: 8.38$ >> >> Dell Optiplex GX1pb >>  >> Number of Disks: (1) 10GB IDE >> RAID Config: N/Aw >> Cluster Size: N/A >> MB/Sec: 1.82  >>I >> Like I said, I know the KZPAC isn't the universe's answer to Fast I/O,lH >> but is there any sort of tuning I can do to improve performance? I'veC >> already played with cluster size, moving disks from the internal  >cabinetH >> to the BA356, and cache type (write back vs. write through) with only >aI >> tiny difference. I'm not expecting a while lot, but is this the best I + >> can expect? I'd be happy with 3-8MB/Sec.i >> >> Thanks in advance.h >> >> -- 0 >> *********************************************+ >> "All I every wanted from life was to seea/ >> Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace."l >> >> Sent via Deja.com >> http://www.deja.com/e >> >r >--a. >*********************************************) >"All I every wanted from life was to seee- >Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace."a >d >I >Sent via Deja.com >http://www.deja.com/s >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:55:22 -0500 ) From: Andrew Robert <arobert@townisp.com>s/ Subject: Quick (stupid) question on DECnet Pluss* Message-ID: <3A744EFA.6090004@townisp.com>  @ According to the documentation pages, I need to get a unique IDP( network identifier from ANSI or similar.  C Is this a reference to the IP address assigned by my networks group8 or something else entirely?a  < I am exploring the requirements for converted from Phase IV.    & Any help would be greatly appreciated.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2001 12:41:14 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)3 Subject: Re: Quick (stupid) question on DECnet Pluse+ Message-ID: <06ZnfM1Cr2H7@eisner.decus.org>e  * In article <3A744EFA.6090004@townisp.com>,/ Andrew Robert <arobert@townisp.company> writes:oB > According to the documentation pages, I need to get a unique IDP* > network identifier from ANSI or similar.  @ [it has been a few years since I had to directly deal with this,B  so forgive me if I do not have some of the terms exactly correct.=  The general content should be correct, I am just too lazy to =  go to the online documentation that can be found from a linkt?  off of http://www.openvms.compaq.com and look it up right now]e  B The unique IDP network identifier should only be needed if you areC intending to connect your DECNET-PLUS network to other OSI networks  that you do not control.  A The default configuration of DECNET-PLUS should assign a standardiB network identifier that is usable for an internal company network.  E > Is this a reference to the IP address assigned by my networks groupg > or something else entirely?   ? It is something else.  If you need a unique IDP network ID your " networks group should be involved.  A In fact they should be very much involved with the implementationl of a new network protocol.  > > I am exploring the requirements for converted from Phase IV.  C I would start with the documentation, and would very much recommende? both formal training and setting up testbed systems to get some0 hands on experience with it.  D I am not in a position to recommend any specific training companies,C but there should be some good pointers in the OpenVMS FAQ, that you 8 should find a link to at http://www.openvms.compaq.com .  B I would carefully look over the CPU and MEMORY utilization of yourE current OpenVMS systems.  DECNET-PLUS may place a higher load on themO then DECNET Phase IV.t  = Also read the installation requirements in the documentation.a  ( > Any help would be greatly appreciated.   Plan.  Test.   Review.  E DECNET-Plus and DECNET Phase IV will interoperate, so unless you have G a pressing need to deploy the new features available, you can do phasedo6 implementation.  Or only implement it on some systems.  H I would recommend setting up a testbed to train on and test the featuresH that you may need.  Pay attention to things like routing and maintenance access to terminal servers.s  I Also read up on LANCP an alternative to using the MOP protocol in DECNET.=   -John- wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:04:10 +0100e  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>5 Subject: Re: Setting up ISDN Internet on DEC 3000-300 + Message-ID: <VA.00000265.05b2cafa@sture.ch>S  J In article <94276m$4ja$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, Hoff Hoffman wrote:4 > From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms=7 > Subject: Re: Setting up ISDN Internet on DEC 3000-300i  > Date: 16 Jan 2001 19:25:10 GMT >  > j > In article <93vohv0maq@enews3.newsguy.com>, "Michael Holmes" <NOSPAM.raider@NOSPAM.mindless.com> writes:K > :I have a Dec 3000-300L running VMS 7.2 and TCPIP V5.0. (Hobbist License):O > :I would like to use the built-in ISDN port to call my ISP and connect to thec > :InternetE > M >   No drivers are available for the ISDN port -- at least, there are no ISDNtM >   drivers for this widget that are included as part of OpenVMS or the core s >   networking products... > + > :My ISP dynamically assigns a IP address.e > M >   DHCP client is part of V5.1, the release that is currently in field test. I >   (The OpenVMS V7.3 software developer's kit (SDK2/EFT2) part number is N >   QA-MT3AD-H8, and that kit should contain TCP/IP Services V5.1 field test.) > M > :Also if possible I would like the DEC to route for my PC (which is using aw > :56K modem currently)p > K >   There was a discussion of network gateway/router/firewall boxes here insH >   comp.os.vms recently.  (If someone can summarize and can email that ? >   discussion along to me, I can add it to the OpenVMS FAQ...)e > P Not a full summary, as I can't remember all the messages I saw, but I am workingT on a report of the stuff which was relevant to me, including configuration examples.   ___n
 Paul Sture Switzerlandi   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:31:46 GMTd- From: Terry C Shannon <shannon@world.std.com>m4 Subject: Share Your Feelings About "The end for VMS"D Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.21.0101280921020.22414-100000@world.std.com>  C If you are a VMS user or enthusiast who is concerned about Compaq's C treatment of the OS in the recent financial analyst conference, whylB not visit www.compaqworkinggroup.org and register your opinion viaA the online advocacy mechanism? It's far more likely that CPQ willoD respond to a slew of postings in the advocacy forum than to material posted on Usenet.   J Be civil with your posting (it's Encompass and ITUG volunteers who have toI prioritize and consolidate the responses, and rants will get you nowhere)'I but make your opinion known nonetheless. This information *will* get backt to CPQ.i  I There will be an online survey posted on www.compaqworkinggroup.org on orrH about 5 February. This survey will allow you to "vote" on the issues you: deem important. It's based on raw data gathered during the? November-December data collection cycle (and yes, there will beCF VMS-related survey questions). Issues posted now will go into the next= survey cycle, but CPQ will certainly take notice of new issueh submissions.  
 Terry Shannonr+ Encompass/ITUG Joint Advocacy Working Group    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:36:30 GMTu= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) % Subject: Re: Source listings contents90 Message-ID: <009F6C85.7E98A4BF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <3A736B28.55CB2604@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Larry Kilgallen wrote:-D >> They exclude material covering pending patents, material covering- >> unannounced features and the LMF listings.: >:M >Weren't LMF listings published on the back of t-shirts at a DECUS conference  >some time ago ? F >3 >:-) :-)  6 No.  Only a poorly implemented hack to bypass the LMF. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMc            uO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.k   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2001 23:40:29 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>, Subject: Re: VaxStation 4000/90A Question(s)- Message-ID: <874ryjptw2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ' Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes:e  - > At 05:47 PM 1/27/2001, Sharkonwheels wrote:oE > >I've looked through the FAQ's, and hunted on the net, but have not  > >found a definitive answer:i > >oJ > >On the VaxStation 4000/90A, which is the serial console port? The DB25, > >  Or the MMJ connector? >  > It's the MMJ connector.y  ) And set S3 iunder the front flap 'right'.n   -- "< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 09:43:41 -0700e% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>c, Subject: Re: VaxStation 4000/90A Question(s)B Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010128094324.00a76790@pop.clsp.qwest.net>  , At 08:40 AM 1/28/2001, Paul Repacholi wrote:( >Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes: >n/ > > At 05:47 PM 1/27/2001, Sharkonwheels wrote: G > > >I've looked through the FAQ's, and hunted on the net, but have not  > > >found a definitive answer:q > > >iL > > >On the VaxStation 4000/90A, which is the serial console port? The DB25, > > >  Or the MMJ connector? > >  > > It's the MMJ connector.f >s* >And set S3 iunder the front flap 'right'.   Yep.     ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ I | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |cI | Principal Engineer            |  "Those are my principles. If you     |7I | Process Software              |   don't like them I have others."     |sI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |@I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2001 22:24:32 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>@ Subject: Re: VMS vs UNIX (was: Linux worm and RedHat 7.0 broken)- Message-ID: <87lmrvpxen.fsf@prep.synonet.com>t   sabolich@my-deja.com writes:   > >o3 > > > >       status = lib$spawn('xyz','fds','fdf')h > > > >lM > > > > We'll have to move the priority-change into xyz if we do it this way,gL > > > or wrap xyz in a little script to change the priority if we don't want > > > to change xyz. > > >nG > > > For my example to work I need sys$creprc and no wrapping xyz in ai
 > > > script.o > >mD > > Perhaps not fair.  A script is certainly a way to combine simpleG > >things to achieve a desired complex whole.  A moment ago, that was aeI > >Good Thing.  Why would you not allow a script, if it happens to be thei< > >right VMS tool?  Are you trying to start an argument? :-) > J > No argument wanted.  I think you misunderstood my intent.  I intended toJ > pick and example that lends itself to sys$creprc.  You may find a way toG > skirt around sys$creprc with lib$spawn.  But there are times when yout2 > have to use sys$creprc -- that is why it exists. > D > My intent is to show that I can construct a complex (high argumentI > count) sys$whatever function with no Unix equivalent, with a collectionuB > of simple Unix functions.  In the end the complexity of the Unix? > contruction is comparable to its VMS sys$whatever equivalent.l  ? But, you CAN'T obtain equivalence with the unix calls! Create amC High priority process on VMS and you have a well defined behaviour.l@ On unix, you are wide open to race conditions between the system> calls. Go and get a late set of RSX manuals and see the system? calls that where added to close some of the really obscure nitsw? in this sort of thing. Or do s lit search for stuff on prioritye
 inversion.   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.d@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2001 22:05:31 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>= Subject: Re: Volume Shadowing vs. RA7000 (WAS: DS20 Slow I/O) - Message-ID: <87puh7pyac.fsf@prep.synonet.com>-  $ fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com> writes:  I > Really? Ramdisk as a Shadow Set Member? Can you or someone else commentgJ > of the stability? I assume since on boot I'd have to put data in the ramF > disk, it won't be the primary (what's the VMS term, "full copy mergeJ > to"?) so how do I know it will get sufficient use? I mean, will VMS knowI > to read from that first because it has the lowest latency? In two years C > I've never had VMS crash on me, but what kind of stability are we I > looking at? Am I going to be restoring a backup if the OS bugchecks (in # > reality, I prob would be anyway).r  = Yep, Takes a bit of a fiddle, but once you have it set up, it1F is a doddle. Create your ram disk, and init it. ( not sure if the initA is needed... ) Label it SCRATCH_DISK. mount the real disk(s) as asC shadowset, without the ram disk. Add the Ramdisk. there is a switch F added in one of the updatres that will require the added drive to haveB the scratch_disk label.  Shoving the wrong drive into a shadow set7 is probably THE instant death mistake on VMS today! :( ,      C Don't forget that every byte of ramdisk, is less memory for orible. @ If you can have the DB use that memory effectivly, then you win. Talk to your DBA.c  G > Ramdisk might not work know anyway, if we get the RA7000 I'm going tolJ > want to spread Oracle out over like 10 mirrored pairs (more if I can...IJ > think we quoted 18 disks, but if we attach both systems to the 1 cabinetJ > I can only access 12 disks on each machine). No way I can mirror that in8 > Ram, although it still has to be cheaper than 10K$/MB. > J > We just got a 30 day Vol Shadow license from DEC/Q to try it out and seeD > what the overhead it. I understand the concept, and I've done someI > reading (I knew enough from the people here to know that it does prettynH > well) but like you I don't have numbers (but I will by next week). TheI > tech at our VAR who didn't like soft raid admitted he knows very littlen$ > about VMS, so there is that there.  C The config you mentioned seems to me to be way over the top... PlusqE talking to DBA people ( I try to avoid that stuff ) the logs generalyh! end up being the write hot spot. Q  = I still think that your original tests where broken, but fromt@ what you have posted, I can't point to anything and call it out.B I know that I can read 13 1/2 K blocks, decompress them, and write@ 49 1/2 K block out in under 7 sec. ( I think 5.4 sec wall is the? usual time ) on a 400MHz 4100 with a single 960. Its a 6 memberCA RAID set of RZ29s, not what I would consider optimal at all. Hellr& of a way to make a 27Gb system disk...  C I fhave been wanting to get back to that machine and re-try some IOb@ tests and post them for you, but have not had the chance as yet. In the next day or two, I hope.b   -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2001 23:03:37 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>F Subject: Re: What unit is  "Xmt Time" in SDA> SHO PORT/VC=VC_xxxxx   ?- Message-ID: <87d7d7pvli.fsf@prep.synonet.com>@  6 "Peter Ljungberg" <peter.p.ljungberg@telia.se> writes:   > SDA> >  > VMScluster data structures >  > -------------------------- > = > -- Channel Summary for Virtual Circuit (xxxxxx) 80D22F00 --s > G > Address  Type      Xmt Time Size Preferred Best     Last State Changen > M > -------- --------- -------- ---- --------- -------- -----------------------o > M > 80D23080 Preferred FF9BAA46 1412 15659     7673     26-JAN-2001 21:45:08.85( > = >                    ^^^^^^^^  <---   in what unit is this ??aK > Unsequence 5 Rcv Short Msg 0 Delay Time FF9BBF4B   <---   and the unit of- > Delay Time  ?n  @ Think you'll find it is *a* lower order part of the system time.? I say a, because is can't remember if it is the low 32 bits, orp! if it a low 32+n shifted n right.'   IE/      |----------------------------------------|7/      |                    \ 32 bits         \n|u/      |----------------------------------------|   " I think n is zero, but not sure...  @ The delay time is the diff between the xmit time and the ack. So1 the unit is (100nsec)2^n if the times are scaled.e  A If anyone wants to donate an old set of Alpha cd listing, I guess") it's time to read all this stuff again...    -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.056 ************************