1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 12 Jul 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 384       Contents: 4 mm tape drive dds3P RE: 4100 serial console, limited output... seriously screwy situa	tionfrom my poP Re: 4100 serial console, limited output... seriously screwy situa tionfrom my poP 4100 serial console, limited output... seriously screwy situation	frommy point oP Re: 4100 serial console, limited output... seriously screwy situation frommy poi Alpha is "Others" for Compaq  Re: Alpha is "Others" for Compaq! Re: Attunity Connect and Oracle 8  Re: CETS2001 InquiryD Re: Compilers go to Intel, hobbyist, CSLG, etc. goes out the window?/ Controlling NT applications from VMS batch jobs 3 Re: Controlling NT applications from VMS batch jobs 3 Re: Controlling NT applications from VMS batch jobs 3 Re: Controlling NT applications from VMS batch jobs  Re: CSWS V1.1 and cert sellers Re: CSWS V1.1 and cert sellers, Re: Datatrieve Accounting Record for OpeNVMS! Re: DEC Notes available, someone? ! Re: DEC Notes available, someone?  DHCP Gateway question  Re: DHCP Gateway question  Re: DHCP Gateway question 1 Re: exploitable buffer overflows in VMS possible?  Re: Fortran... IRAD50  Re: Fortran... IRAD50  Re: FUD  Re: FUD  Re: FUD  Re: FUD  Help in DCL  Re: Help in DCL  Re: Hobbyist
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 Re: Minimerge  PAWZ and ECP - Re: PAWZ dicontinued Re: PAWZ dicontinued. Porting TECO (was Re: Intel/Alpha announcment)2 Re: Porting TECO (was Re: Intel/Alpha announcment)2 Re: Porting TECO (was Re: Intel/Alpha announcment)* Re: Problem with rsh on VMS 7.2-1 (Solved) Rebranding the Alpha chip  Re: Rebranding the Alpha chip 1 Re: Some thoughts on the recent turn of events... 1 Re: Some thoughts on the recent turn of events... 1 Re: Some thoughts on the recent turn of events... $ Re: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on IA-641 Re: The death of VMS has been greatly exaggerated N the epitome of stupidity. was: Controlling NT applications from VMS batch jobs Re: VMS V7.3 SPD Error Re: VMS V7.3 SPD Error+ Re: VMS-style clustering comes to Linux?!?!  Re: VXT 2000 with VMS?! F Re: Wailing and moaning.... (was: Some thoughts on the recent turn...)F Re: Wailing and moaning.... (was: Some thoughts on the recent turn...)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 12 Jul 2001 16:47:17 GMT' From: "Jim Strehlow" <jims@data911.com>  Subject: 4 mm tape drive dds3 0 Message-ID: <9ikkal$mnb@dispatch.concentric.net>  F Can any 4mm DDS3 SCSI tape drive connect to the SCSI port of an Alpha?6 ... specifically for an AlphaStation 500 computer with+     Bus 00 Slot 09: ISP1020 Scsi Controller #     pka0.7.0.9.0      SCSI Bus ID 7   E Is that just "standard" SCSI as opposed to ultra-wide, SCSI III etc.?   
 Thank you.   Jim Strehlow, Data911  jimS@data911.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:20:41 -0400 > From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>Y Subject: RE: 4100 serial console, limited output... seriously screwy situa	tionfrom my po M Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D016021C7@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>   " Neither.  It shows up as TTA0: .     :) jck   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Hamlyn Mootoo [mailto:univms@bigfoot.com] ( > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:18 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com F > Subject: Re: 4100 serial console, limited output... seriously screwyH > situation frommy point of view... frommy point of view... frommy point > of view... >  > G > When VMS is up, and you log in from the VT510, do a $SHOW TERM.  What % > device does it show? OPA0: or TTB0?  >  > HM > # > "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" wrote:  > > > > > I have a hardware service ticket open with Compaq on this,C > > but the poor field service guy(s) in my area are a bit swamped, 1 > > since I know several of them are on vacation.  > > B > > Anyhow, I have a AlphaServer 4100 that I upgraded from OpenVMSB > > 7.2-1 to 7.3 after updating the console firmware with the v5.9B > > firmware CD.  Everything has been just great, rebooted several? > > times for assorted system management configuration reasons, > > > except of very recent I have noticed that there is limitedA > > output coming to the serial console when in SRM mode or after ? > > a power cycle or P0>>> INIT .  There is no graphics card in  > > this 4100. > > A > > When I say limited, I mean that if one is at the P0>>> prompt ? > > and tries to boot an OpenVMS OS binary CD that a valid boot > > > block is found and text to the VT510 displays as such, but; > > the last text to the VT510 screen is the line about the A > > bootstrapping.  No nice little menu about option 1 of upgrade A > > or install OpenVMS or anything else after bootstrap line, but > > > I can see the CD in DKA500 being accessed like it might beC > > proceeding.  The same thing happens when booting a firmware CD. B > > No firmware menu appears, but I can see valid boot block text,B > > so I know I am on the correct COM port at the right baud rate. > > 0 > > Things that I have double checked and tried: > > : > > 1) SRM environment variable CONSOLE set to SERIAL, and" > >     OS_TYPE is set to OpenVMS.+ > > 2) VT510 terminal is connected to COM1.   > > 3) COM1 is not set MODEM on.= > > 4) Baud rate of console (9600 baud) matches VT510 in both  > >      transmit and receive.0 > > 5) Changed VT terminals to a known good one." > > 6) Changed DECconnect cabling.2 > > 7) Confirming that DKA500 is the CD-ROM drive.A > > 8) Power cycled and rebooted to OpenVMS 7.3 on 3-way hardware = > >      mirrored system disk on HSZ-40B dual redundant pair. > > > 9) Compared SHOW, SHOW FRU, SHOW DEVICE, SHOW etc hardcopy= > >       output from v5.7, v5.8, and v5.9 firmware upgrades, ) > >       with no unexpected differences. = > > 10) Tried booting v5.8 firmware CD (same effect can't see E > >         text output on VT510 pass valid boot block and bootstrap) 0 > > 11) Tried booting OpenVMS 7.2-1 and 7.3 CDs.> > > 12) Tried different v5.9 firmware CD to update again with.B > > 13) Some praying, but haven't sprinkled holy water on box yet. > > D > > So, I am in this odd place of unable to upgrade to the June 2001D > > v6.0 firmware, nor able to revert to a prior version of firmwareB > > since I can't see what is going on.  Further, my plans to bootH > > from CD to do an in-house disaster recovery test have been thwarted.C > > I suppose I could boot the OS, and restore my disaster recovery B > > OS disk to another disk and go from there, but I would like toE > > make sure this console issue is resolved before I get into a test G > > of disaster recovery procedures. (I don't like possibly compounding  > > problems.) > > C > > It has occurred to me that the console may be corrupt, but from A > > reading the console firmware release notes, it indicates that A > > a failsafe loader should take over.  Anyone ever been through @ > > the failsafe console loader?  How long does it take to load? > > B > > Also, I faintly recall that if one has a corrupt console, thatC > > one can change a jumper on the motherboard to wipe the console, A > > but then one has to have a floppy diskette kit to get console B > > back in.  (Something for field service perhaps to try, not for@ > > faint hearted and diskette kitless me.) I had my 4100 tryingC > > to boot v5.9 firmware CD overnight, and nary much text on VT510 - > > console screen pass the valid boot block.  > > 8 > > Anyone have any ideas what I have missed or can try? > > E > > I am hoping it is something stupid I have overlooked or something D > > simple that got changed. Tis certainly interesting times for me.= > > I have never seen or heard of something like this before.  > > / > > Waiting For Field Service God(s) To Arrive,  > > 
 > > :) jck > > John Koska  > > Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -& > >   A Member of the LexisNexis Group > > 1275 Broadway  > > Albany, NY  12204  > > USA  > > 518-487-3255 > > John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com  > > . > > "I post personal opinion only, and all the. > > disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That, > > includes, I speak for myself only and my. > > views in no way represent my employer(s)." >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:44:39 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>Y Subject: Re: 4100 serial console, limited output... seriously screwy situa tionfrom my po + Message-ID: <3B4DE207.28121299@bigfoot.com>   G It should be OPA0:. I believe this is why you're not seeing the rest of F the boot. Try powering the system off for a bit, making sure that yourG terminal in connected to COM1, and console is set to serial AGAIN, then F see if it comes up as OPA0:.  Also, try turning it off from RCM.  It'sD sounds like voodoo but I've see this occaisonally reset COM1 back toG OPA0:.  IIRC, if you're terminal says it's TTA0:,then it's connected to  COM2, not COM1.    HM    ! "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" wrote:  > " > Neither.  It shows up as TTA0: . >  > :) jck >  > > -----Original Message-----3 > > From: Hamlyn Mootoo [mailto:univms@bigfoot.com] * > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:18 PM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com H > > Subject: Re: 4100 serial console, limited output... seriously screwyJ > > situation frommy point of view... frommy point of view... frommy point > > of view... > >  > > I > > When VMS is up, and you log in from the VT510, do a $SHOW TERM.  What ' > > device does it show? OPA0: or TTB0?  > >  > > HM > > % > > "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" wrote:  > > > @ > > > I have a hardware service ticket open with Compaq on this,E > > > but the poor field service guy(s) in my area are a bit swamped, 3 > > > since I know several of them are on vacation.  > > > D > > > Anyhow, I have a AlphaServer 4100 that I upgraded from OpenVMSD > > > 7.2-1 to 7.3 after updating the console firmware with the v5.9D > > > firmware CD.  Everything has been just great, rebooted severalA > > > times for assorted system management configuration reasons, @ > > > except of very recent I have noticed that there is limitedC > > > output coming to the serial console when in SRM mode or after A > > > a power cycle or P0>>> INIT .  There is no graphics card in  > > > this 4100. > > > C > > > When I say limited, I mean that if one is at the P0>>> prompt A > > > and tries to boot an OpenVMS OS binary CD that a valid boot @ > > > block is found and text to the VT510 displays as such, but= > > > the last text to the VT510 screen is the line about the C > > > bootstrapping.  No nice little menu about option 1 of upgrade C > > > or install OpenVMS or anything else after bootstrap line, but @ > > > I can see the CD in DKA500 being accessed like it might beE > > > proceeding.  The same thing happens when booting a firmware CD. D > > > No firmware menu appears, but I can see valid boot block text,D > > > so I know I am on the correct COM port at the right baud rate. > > > 2 > > > Things that I have double checked and tried: > > > < > > > 1) SRM environment variable CONSOLE set to SERIAL, and$ > > >     OS_TYPE is set to OpenVMS.- > > > 2) VT510 terminal is connected to COM1. " > > > 3) COM1 is not set MODEM on.? > > > 4) Baud rate of console (9600 baud) matches VT510 in both   > > >      transmit and receive.2 > > > 5) Changed VT terminals to a known good one.$ > > > 6) Changed DECconnect cabling.4 > > > 7) Confirming that DKA500 is the CD-ROM drive.C > > > 8) Power cycled and rebooted to OpenVMS 7.3 on 3-way hardware ? > > >      mirrored system disk on HSZ-40B dual redundant pair. @ > > > 9) Compared SHOW, SHOW FRU, SHOW DEVICE, SHOW etc hardcopy? > > >       output from v5.7, v5.8, and v5.9 firmware upgrades, + > > >       with no unexpected differences. ? > > > 10) Tried booting v5.8 firmware CD (same effect can't see G > > >         text output on VT510 pass valid boot block and bootstrap) 2 > > > 11) Tried booting OpenVMS 7.2-1 and 7.3 CDs.@ > > > 12) Tried different v5.9 firmware CD to update again with.D > > > 13) Some praying, but haven't sprinkled holy water on box yet. > > > F > > > So, I am in this odd place of unable to upgrade to the June 2001F > > > v6.0 firmware, nor able to revert to a prior version of firmwareD > > > since I can't see what is going on.  Further, my plans to bootJ > > > from CD to do an in-house disaster recovery test have been thwarted.E > > > I suppose I could boot the OS, and restore my disaster recovery D > > > OS disk to another disk and go from there, but I would like toG > > > make sure this console issue is resolved before I get into a test I > > > of disaster recovery procedures. (I don't like possibly compounding  > > > problems.) > > > E > > > It has occurred to me that the console may be corrupt, but from C > > > reading the console firmware release notes, it indicates that C > > > a failsafe loader should take over.  Anyone ever been through B > > > the failsafe console loader?  How long does it take to load? > > > D > > > Also, I faintly recall that if one has a corrupt console, thatE > > > one can change a jumper on the motherboard to wipe the console, C > > > but then one has to have a floppy diskette kit to get console D > > > back in.  (Something for field service perhaps to try, not forB > > > faint hearted and diskette kitless me.) I had my 4100 tryingE > > > to boot v5.9 firmware CD overnight, and nary much text on VT510 / > > > console screen pass the valid boot block.  > > > : > > > Anyone have any ideas what I have missed or can try? > > > G > > > I am hoping it is something stupid I have overlooked or something F > > > simple that got changed. Tis certainly interesting times for me.? > > > I have never seen or heard of something like this before.  > > > 1 > > > Waiting For Field Service God(s) To Arrive,  > > >  > > > :) jck > > > John Koska" > > > Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -( > > >   A Member of the LexisNexis Group > > > 1275 Broadway  > > > Albany, NY  12204 	 > > > USA  > > > 518-487-3255! > > > John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com  > > > 0 > > > "I post personal opinion only, and all the0 > > > disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That. > > > includes, I speak for myself only and my0 > > > views in no way represent my employer(s)." > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:32:05 -0400 > From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>Y Subject: 4100 serial console, limited output... seriously screwy situation	frommy point o M Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D016021C5@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>   : I have a hardware service ticket open with Compaq on this,@ but the poor field service guy(s) in my area are a bit swamped, - since I know several of them are on vacation.   > Anyhow, I have a AlphaServer 4100 that I upgraded from OpenVMS> 7.2-1 to 7.3 after updating the console firmware with the v5.9> firmware CD.  Everything has been just great, rebooted several< times for assorted system management configuration reasons, ; except of very recent I have noticed that there is limited  > output coming to the serial console when in SRM mode or after < a power cycle or P0>>> INIT .  There is no graphics card in 
 this 4100.  = When I say limited, I mean that if one is at the P0>>> prompt ; and tries to boot an OpenVMS OS binary CD that a valid boot ; block is found and text to the VT510 displays as such, but  8 the last text to the VT510 screen is the line about the > bootstrapping.  No nice little menu about option 1 of upgrade > or install OpenVMS or anything else after bootstrap line, but ; I can see the CD in DKA500 being accessed like it might be  A proceeding.  The same thing happens when booting a firmware CD.   ? No firmware menu appears, but I can see valid boot block text,  > so I know I am on the correct COM port at the right baud rate.  , Things that I have double checked and tried:  6 1) SRM environment variable CONSOLE set to SERIAL, and     OS_TYPE is set to OpenVMS.' 2) VT510 terminal is connected to COM1.  3) COM1 is not set MODEM on.: 4) Baud rate of console (9600 baud) matches VT510 in both       transmit and receive., 5) Changed VT terminals to a known good one. 6) Changed DECconnect cabling. 1. 7) Confirming that DKA500 is the CD-ROM drive.= 8) Power cycled and rebooted to OpenVMS 7.3 on 3-way hardwaret9      mirrored system disk on HSZ-40B dual redundant pair.o; 9) Compared SHOW, SHOW FRU, SHOW DEVICE, SHOW etc hardcopy i:       output from v5.7, v5.8, and v5.9 firmware upgrades, %       with no unexpected differences.t9 10) Tried booting v5.8 firmware CD (same effect can't seeu: 	text output on VT510 pass valid boot block and bootstrap), 11) Tried booting OpenVMS 7.2-1 and 7.3 CDs.: 12) Tried different v5.9 firmware CD to update again with.> 13) Some praying, but haven't sprinkled holy water on box yet.  A So, I am in this odd place of unable to upgrade to the June 2001 p@ v6.0 firmware, nor able to revert to a prior version of firmware> since I can't see what is going on.  Further, my plans to bootD from CD to do an in-house disaster recovery test have been thwarted.@ I suppose I could boot the OS, and restore my disaster recovery ? OS disk to another disk and go from there, but I would like to MB make sure this console issue is resolved before I get into a test C of disaster recovery procedures. (I don't like possibly compounding 
 problems.)  ? It has occurred to me that the console may be corrupt, but fromo= reading the console firmware release notes, it indicates thate= a failsafe loader should take over.  Anyone ever been throughl< the failsafe console loader?  How long does it take to load?  > Also, I faintly recall that if one has a corrupt console, that? one can change a jumper on the motherboard to wipe the console,e= but then one has to have a floppy diskette kit to get consolen> back in.  (Something for field service perhaps to try, not for= faint hearted and diskette kitless me.) I had my 4100 trying h@ to boot v5.9 firmware CD overnight, and nary much text on VT510 * console screen pass the valid boot block.   6 Anyone have any ideas what I have missed or can try?    A I am hoping it is something stupid I have overlooked or something A simple that got changed. Tis certainly interesting times for me. e; I have never seen or heard of something like this before.  l  + Waiting For Field Service God(s) To Arrive,M   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadwayt Albany, NY  12204n USA  518-487-3255 John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.comn  * "I post personal opinion only, and all the* disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my* views in no way represent my employer(s)."   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:18:20 -0400e( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>Y Subject: Re: 4100 serial console, limited output... seriously screwy situation frommy poih+ Message-ID: <3B4DCDCC.E2BD8833@bigfoot.com>c  E When VMS is up, and you log in from the VT510, do a $SHOW TERM.  What9# device does it show? OPA0: or TTB0?t   HM  ! "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" wrote:S > < > I have a hardware service ticket open with Compaq on this,A > but the poor field service guy(s) in my area are a bit swamped,1/ > since I know several of them are on vacation.< > @ > Anyhow, I have a AlphaServer 4100 that I upgraded from OpenVMS@ > 7.2-1 to 7.3 after updating the console firmware with the v5.9@ > firmware CD.  Everything has been just great, rebooted several= > times for assorted system management configuration reasons,a< > except of very recent I have noticed that there is limited? > output coming to the serial console when in SRM mode or afterb= > a power cycle or P0>>> INIT .  There is no graphics card in. > this 4100. > ? > When I say limited, I mean that if one is at the P0>>> promptm= > and tries to boot an OpenVMS OS binary CD that a valid bootn< > block is found and text to the VT510 displays as such, but9 > the last text to the VT510 screen is the line about theC? > bootstrapping.  No nice little menu about option 1 of upgradeC? > or install OpenVMS or anything else after bootstrap line, buta< > I can see the CD in DKA500 being accessed like it might beA > proceeding.  The same thing happens when booting a firmware CD.e@ > No firmware menu appears, but I can see valid boot block text,@ > so I know I am on the correct COM port at the right baud rate. > . > Things that I have double checked and tried: > 8 > 1) SRM environment variable CONSOLE set to SERIAL, and  >     OS_TYPE is set to OpenVMS.) > 2) VT510 terminal is connected to COM1.h > 3) COM1 is not set MODEM on.; > 4) Baud rate of console (9600 baud) matches VT510 in both  >      transmit and receive.. > 5) Changed VT terminals to a known good one.  > 6) Changed DECconnect cabling.0 > 7) Confirming that DKA500 is the CD-ROM drive.? > 8) Power cycled and rebooted to OpenVMS 7.3 on 3-way hardwarea; >      mirrored system disk on HSZ-40B dual redundant pair.t< > 9) Compared SHOW, SHOW FRU, SHOW DEVICE, SHOW etc hardcopy; >       output from v5.7, v5.8, and v5.9 firmware upgrades, ' >       with no unexpected differences.c; > 10) Tried booting v5.8 firmware CD (same effect can't seenC >         text output on VT510 pass valid boot block and bootstrap)a. > 11) Tried booting OpenVMS 7.2-1 and 7.3 CDs.< > 12) Tried different v5.9 firmware CD to update again with.@ > 13) Some praying, but haven't sprinkled holy water on box yet. > B > So, I am in this odd place of unable to upgrade to the June 2001B > v6.0 firmware, nor able to revert to a prior version of firmware@ > since I can't see what is going on.  Further, my plans to bootF > from CD to do an in-house disaster recovery test have been thwarted.A > I suppose I could boot the OS, and restore my disaster recovery @ > OS disk to another disk and go from there, but I would like toC > make sure this console issue is resolved before I get into a testyE > of disaster recovery procedures. (I don't like possibly compoundingF > problems.) > A > It has occurred to me that the console may be corrupt, but fromr? > reading the console firmware release notes, it indicates that ? > a failsafe loader should take over.  Anyone ever been through > > the failsafe console loader?  How long does it take to load? > @ > Also, I faintly recall that if one has a corrupt console, thatA > one can change a jumper on the motherboard to wipe the console, ? > but then one has to have a floppy diskette kit to get consoleh@ > back in.  (Something for field service perhaps to try, not for> > faint hearted and diskette kitless me.) I had my 4100 tryingA > to boot v5.9 firmware CD overnight, and nary much text on VT510m+ > console screen pass the valid boot block.h > 6 > Anyone have any ideas what I have missed or can try? > C > I am hoping it is something stupid I have overlooked or somethingrB > simple that got changed. Tis certainly interesting times for me.; > I have never seen or heard of something like this before.e > - > Waiting For Field Service God(s) To Arrive,s >  > :) jck > John Koska > Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -$ >   A Member of the LexisNexis Group > 1275 Broadwayl > Albany, NY  12204t > USA  > 518-487-3255 > John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.comn > , > "I post personal opinion only, and all the, > disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That* > includes, I speak for myself only and my, > views in no way represent my employer(s)."   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:21:42 -0300a) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra% Subject: Alpha is "Others" for CompaqrL Message-ID: <OF057BB9EE.3D619701-ON03256A87.003E4703@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  / Today I opened a case at Compaq/Brazil by phonen   Dial  "2"  for Tandem    Dial  "4" for Proliant   Dial "6" for Software    Dial "8" for "Others"d   Well ...   Regardso   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:24:11 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>s) Subject: Re: Alpha is "Others" for Compaq 8 Message-ID: <gbcrkt8qgi16p6aq32didbvojvd020ukvh@4ax.com>  # On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:21:42 -0300,(* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:   >  > 0 >Today I opened a case at Compaq/Brazil by phone >e >Dial  "2"  for Tandem >o >Dial  "4" for Proliant2 >  >Dial "6" for Software >5 >Dial "8" for "Others"  F I complained about something similar in the UK and they actually added9 VMS as a menu selection item. Might be worth complaining.a  	 >Well ...o >  >Regards >i >FCn   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:09:46 +01001% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>n* Subject: Re: Attunity Connect and Oracle 88 Message-ID: <4s0rkto4oetlb0280ttbgbano0hoi8dird@4ax.com>  0 On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:37:46 -0400, Eric Ebinger <eebinger@telocity.com> wrote:  < >And would someone explain to me WHY the On Platform Package1 >for OpenVMS doesn't include an interface to Rdb?u  @ It probably should but you can use various combos of SQL/net SQL> services, transparent gateway for RDB to do it in a roundabout fashion.  F On top of this Oracle make available a free Windows ODBC connector forF RDB which might have influenced Compaq's decision not to subsidize the ISG version.     -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:32:25 +0100s% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>- Subject: Re: CETS2001 Inquiryr8 Message-ID: <mpuqkt874cvd7l1enh3a27r9qsl0dj9qsf@4ax.com>  A On 11 Jul 2001 18:17:30 -0700, kparris@my-deja.com (Keith Parris)  wrote:  f >medleyb@ev1.net (Bert Medley) wrote in message news:<Xns90DB696E0427Dmedleybev1net@207.218.245.68>...L >> It's been a while since I've been to a "Decus" symposium.  Do they still # >> have the "war stories" sessions?  >OF >You're probably thinking of the "Magic" sessions, or perhaps 'Chiller
 >Theatre'.E >I never cared much for the "bribe the judges with alcohol" traditioncA >of affecting a contestant's score, but the war stories were bothe >educational and entertaining.  E I never did manage to dampen down rumours that if a student bought me D enough drinks after work (this was at a university) I might give outE the system password. Never did (or would) of course but did get a lot D of free drinks. Any suggestion I might have even started the rumoursF by frequently posting that there was no truth to them in an attempt to$ end them would obviously be libel :)     -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:57:11 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>eM Subject: Re: Compilers go to Intel, hobbyist, CSLG, etc. goes out the window? 8 Message-ID: <k1tqkt860cdn0m7293lafi1fmsg8ehiedh@4ax.com>  5 On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:50:39 +0100, "antonio.carlini"  <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote:   >5 >d >Alan Greig wrote:H >> If contracts have been signed which specify things in black and whiteG >> then it is not useful in a practical sense. In a let off steam sensesG >> it might be but that will die down if and only if all of this works. H >> I'll take your hint and try and leave you folks to it until some more >> news good or bad appears. >f/ >In my (one) experience of a similar situation, 4 >things *do* get missed. I would be surprised if the6 >written contract tied down every last detail. I would2 >hope that it is sufficiently flexible that little3 >niggles can be sorted out in a reasonable fashion.e  E Well Oracle 'forgot' they needed CDD when they bought RDB and DBMS sorB they grabbed that later. I just wonder what other bits Intel might" grab later that are a logical fit.   >Antonio   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:28:22 GMTkB From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>8 Subject: Controlling NT applications from VMS batch jobs7 Message-ID: <WBh37.16524$Kf3.206537@www.newsranger.com>   K On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:13:00 -0500, in article <3B4CC15C.241BA6CC@fsi.net>,H David J. Dachtera wrote: >O: >How do I control a W2K program from an OpenVMS batch job? >rH It depends on what you want to run and how much control you need. I alsoA assume that you want this to be 100% automated without any manual F intervention at all (for example, you want the batch job to run in the middle of the night)..  G If you want a VMS batch job to hand some files to an NT system, have annF application on the NT system process the data/generate some output andD hand the results back to the batch job, then it can be done providedB that the NT application either has a COM interface or has a scriptF language and the script filename can be specified on the application's
 command line.t  F It is also required that the NT application has any interactive dialogG boxes disabled; you are using the application's automation capabilities F and completely by-passing the application's GUI. If the NT application; does generate a dialog box, then the application will hang.n  J You should be aware that this (NT automation) is a big area and can easilyD become a major time investment. You should also realise that you areJ attempting to give VMS style batch capabilities to a Microsoft interactiveL environment, a concept for which the Microsoft environment was not designed.  L The problem falls into two sections: (1) Getting the VMS system to start theI NT application, with the application running in a suitable NT environmentcJ (for example, if it's a Microsoft application and you need to do printing,L then the user's registry hive needs to be loaded as the printers are definedG in the registry) and (2) controlling the application once it's started.    (1) Starting the applicationK By far the easiest way, if your application/security environment allows it,nD is to use RSH in the VMS batch job to send a command to startup yourJ application either directly or indirectly. I looked at this initially, butK encountered too many problems, the details of which I have since forgotten.n  J Another option is to have IIS running on NT, with ASP enabled. VMS sends aN HTTP GET command as part of an authenticated HTTP session (using, for example,G a simple VMS Perl script) to NT, which causes a small VBScript program,oF embedded in an ASP page, to run. This VBScript program calls a ActiveXL object that you have written which actually establishes the required processG environment and runs your application. This is the approach that I havesM used as I need to have a full process environment and the limited environment.' offered by other options is not enough.f  L [Looking back on the above paragraph prior to posting, I see how complicatedJ the above sounds. Once I decided on this approach, I did not find this tooL bad to get to a prototype stage. I used Ada (GNAT) (and the GNATCOM package,B available from www.adapower.com), to write the ActiveX prototype.]   (2) Controlling the application0D If the NT application only has a COM interface, then VMS can start aE controlling program instead of the application; this program can thenn# use COM to control the application.   I If the NT application has a scripting language with an AutoOpen() concepthL built into it and can take a document name on the command line (as Microsoft< Word/Excel can, for example) then you can use this approach.   Simon.     -- e; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPeK Worrying idea #101: What if Microsoft goes into the Ada compiler business ?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:45:51 -0300T) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br < Subject: Re: Controlling NT applications from VMS batch jobsL Message-ID: <OFA219CB68.F92DAD93-ON03256A87.004B89D0@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  I Try to get a demo copy of Heroix RoboMon. I  never tested it but there isr  a good possbility of work fine !   Regardso   FC        J Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> em 12/07/2001 10:28:22   Favor responder a Simon Clubley04       <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr      8 Assunto: Controlling NT applications from VMS batch jobs    K On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:13:00 -0500, in article <3B4CC15C.241BA6CC@fsi.net>,  David J. Dachtera wrote: >c: >How do I control a W2K program from an OpenVMS batch job? >RH It depends on what you want to run and how much control you need. I alsoA assume that you want this to be 100% automated without any manual0F intervention at all (for example, you want the batch job to run in the middle of the night).g  G If you want a VMS batch job to hand some files to an NT system, have aneF application on the NT system process the data/generate some output andD hand the results back to the batch job, then it can be done providedB that the NT application either has a COM interface or has a scriptF language and the script filename can be specified on the application's
 command line.s  F It is also required that the NT application has any interactive dialogG boxes disabled; you are using the application's automation capabilitiesMF and completely by-passing the application's GUI. If the NT application; does generate a dialog box, then the application will hang.o  J You should be aware that this (NT automation) is a big area and can easilyD become a major time investment. You should also realise that you areJ attempting to give VMS style batch capabilities to a Microsoft interactiveB environment, a concept for which the Microsoft environment was not	 designed.t  H The problem falls into two sections: (1) Getting the VMS system to start thehI NT application, with the application running in a suitable NT environment J (for example, if it's a Microsoft application and you need to do printing,D then the user's registry hive needs to be loaded as the printers are definedpG in the registry) and (2) controlling the application once it's started.a   (1) Starting the applicationK By far the easiest way, if your application/security environment allows it,eD is to use RSH in the VMS batch job to send a command to startup yourJ application either directly or indirectly. I looked at this initially, butK encountered too many problems, the details of which I have since forgotten..  J Another option is to have IIS running on NT, with ASP enabled. VMS sends aE HTTP GET command as part of an authenticated HTTP session (using, forn example,G a simple VMS Perl script) to NT, which causes a small VBScript program,nF embedded in an ASP page, to run. This VBScript program calls a ActiveXD object that you have written which actually establishes the required processsG environment and runs your application. This is the approach that I haveeA used as I need to have a full process environment and the limitedr environmentj' offered by other options is not enough..  @ [Looking back on the above paragraph prior to posting, I see how complicated J the above sounds. Once I decided on this approach, I did not find this tooC bad to get to a prototype stage. I used Ada (GNAT) (and the GNATCOM  package,B available from www.adapower.com), to write the ActiveX prototype.]   (2) Controlling the applicationeD If the NT application only has a COM interface, then VMS can start aE controlling program instead of the application; this program can thenc# use COM to control the application.D  I If the NT application has a scripting language with an AutoOpen() concept B built into it and can take a document name on the command line (as	 MicrosoftK< Word/Excel can, for example) then you can use this approach.   Simon.     --; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP K Worrying idea #101: What if Microsoft goes into the Ada compiler business ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:46:26 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> < Subject: Re: Controlling NT applications from VMS batch jobs& Message-ID: <3B4DB842.EC12CF6@fsi.net>   Simon Clubley wrote: > M > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:13:00 -0500, in article <3B4CC15C.241BA6CC@fsi.net>,m > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > < > >How do I control a W2K program from an OpenVMS batch job? > >aJ > It depends on what you want to run and how much control you need. I alsoC > assume that you want this to be 100% automated without any manualhH > intervention at all (for example, you want the batch job to run in the > middle of the night).t  H In essence, yes - you grasped my point: going from near-total automationH (VMS) to near-total lack of automation (NT). That is, NT in a lights-out< environment is as much an oxymoron as military intelligence.  E The ubiquitous "They" insist on shoving these NT-based VMS managementaF tools down our throats, while failing to grasp the utterly nonsensical/ nature and laughable uselessness of such items.t  D IMO, VMS is best managed from VMS - period, end of statement. Trying< adapt a trash GUI like NT to it is the epitome of stupidity.  D Again, IMO. YMMV considerably, to (or beyond) the point of diametric opposition.    --   David J. Dachtera. dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.S   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:37:18 GMTd; From: "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here.please@home.com>o< Subject: Re: Controlling NT applications from VMS batch jobs; Message-ID: <Ouj37.52295$V12.843624@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>   B If you simply need to execute commands on the NT side from a shell? environment, you can load the rsh daemon from the resource kit.   L We implemented that in our shop to allow developers and operators to restartK NT apps (jeez, who woulda thunk it?) without having to have high permissioniI levels.  To do this, we implemented a mail responder using DELIVER on VMS H which runs a DCL procedure that does a MULTINET RSHELL command to the NTL boxes.  It does a few checks to make sure somebody appropriate is making the& request and then runs the rsh command.  J We're probably going to have to create a recurring VMS batch job that runsH every 30 minutes to poke the NT box when the app goes production just to  keep the darn thing running.....  3 <insert gratuitous NT/Billy/Micro$sloth slams here>f    G "Simon Clubley" <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> wrote ina9 message news:WBh37.16524$Kf3.206537@www.newsranger.com... 0 > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:13:00 -0500, in article <3B4CC15C.241BA6CC@fsi.net>, > David J. Dachtera wrote: > >r< > >How do I control a W2K program from an OpenVMS batch job? > > J > It depends on what you want to run and how much control you need. I alsoC > assume that you want this to be 100% automated without any manualtH > intervention at all (for example, you want the batch job to run in the > middle of the night).e >gI > If you want a VMS batch job to hand some files to an NT system, have ankH > application on the NT system process the data/generate some output andF > hand the results back to the batch job, then it can be done providedD > that the NT application either has a COM interface or has a scriptH > language and the script filename can be specified on the application's > command line.T >rH > It is also required that the NT application has any interactive dialogI > boxes disabled; you are using the application's automation capabilitiesSH > and completely by-passing the application's GUI. If the NT application= > does generate a dialog box, then the application will hang.l > L > You should be aware that this (NT automation) is a big area and can easilyF > become a major time investment. You should also realise that you areL > attempting to give VMS style batch capabilities to a Microsoft interactiveD > environment, a concept for which the Microsoft environment was not	 designed.e >cJ > The problem falls into two sections: (1) Getting the VMS system to start the2K > NT application, with the application running in a suitable NT environment"L > (for example, if it's a Microsoft application and you need to do printing,F > then the user's registry hive needs to be loaded as the printers are definedsI > in the registry) and (2) controlling the application once it's started.3 >d > (1) Starting the applicationI > By far the easiest way, if your application/security environment allows  it, F > is to use RSH in the VMS batch job to send a command to startup yourL > application either directly or indirectly. I looked at this initially, butB > encountered too many problems, the details of which I have since
 forgotten. >yL > Another option is to have IIS running on NT, with ASP enabled. VMS sends aG > HTTP GET command as part of an authenticated HTTP session (using, for  example,I > a simple VMS Perl script) to NT, which causes a small VBScript program,jH > embedded in an ASP page, to run. This VBScript program calls a ActiveXF > object that you have written which actually establishes the required processnI > environment and runs your application. This is the approach that I havetC > used as I need to have a full process environment and the limitedt environmentu) > offered by other options is not enough.t >LB > [Looking back on the above paragraph prior to posting, I see how complicatedtL > the above sounds. Once I decided on this approach, I did not find this tooE > bad to get to a prototype stage. I used Ada (GNAT) (and the GNATCOMo package,D > available from www.adapower.com), to write the ActiveX prototype.] >2! > (2) Controlling the application@F > If the NT application only has a COM interface, then VMS can start aG > controlling program instead of the application; this program can thenm% > use COM to control the application.m >eK > If the NT application has a scripting language with an AutoOpen() concept@D > built into it and can take a document name on the command line (as	 Microsoft > > Word/Excel can, for example) then you can use this approach. >r > Simon. >n >f > --= > Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPdK > Worrying idea #101: What if Microsoft goes into the Ada compiler businesst ?a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:45:51 -0400 ) From: Rick Barry <barry@star.zko.dec.com> ' Subject: Re: CSWS V1.1 and cert sellersk0 Message-ID: <3B4DAA0F.E6BF0E82@star.zko.dec.com>   Marty Kuhrt wrote:  F > I'm working on the latest and greatest Apache server (CSWS V1.1) and@ > was thinking of serving up some pages with HTTPS.  So far, forE > testing, I have been using self-signed certificates.  When I deployuH > this so that people from the outside world can get to it, I'm assuming@ > that I have to get a certificate from a trusted source.  I'm aB > complete newbie to this stuff, so it could be that I'm not quite
 > getting it.h >iC > Anyone have any pros or cons for the various places that do this?nE > I've seen VeriSign and Thawte offer this for different prices, $499g> > and $199, IIRC.  Why the cost difference?  Any other places? >i > Thanks in advance, > Martya  G Server certificates provide web browser users a level of assurance thattD the server they connect to is identifiable and not being spoofed bybE someone else. The level of assurance provided by a server certificatetC depends on how  the entity that issues the certificate verifies therJ identity of the site requesting the server certificate and whether the web= browser user "trusts" the entity that issues the certificate.d  H In order for your server certificate to be "trusted" by your users'  webF browser, it must have been digitally signed by a certificate authorityH (CA) that is recognized by that browser. Browsers are shipped with a setI of popular CAs. Verisign and Thawte (now part of Verisign) are two of the J more popular CAs, but there are many others. To view the list of  CAs that, are shipped with Internet Explorer, click onD Tools/Internet-Options/Content/Trusted-Root-Certificate-Authorities.  I Compaq and Verisign have a partnership to ensure that Verisign client and J server certificates work correctly with Compaq Secuire Web Server (CSWS) ,H but CSWS uses standard X.509v3 certificates processed by mod_ssl/OpenSSLG (the standard for Apache web servers) and so any certificate that worksoG with Apache should work just fine with CSWS. How much you're willing totI pay for certificates depends on your needs. Talk to someone from VerisigntJ about the differences between Verisign and Thawte certificates to see whatH fits best for you and compare that  with some of the other CA offerings.  H To see what other Apache sites are using for commercial certificates, go. to the mod_ssl searchable mailing list archive= (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-modssl) and search ont
 "commercial".a   --
 Rick Barry  3 Compaq Secure Web Server (CSWS) - Development Groupq Compaq Computer Corporation 
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2001 10:30:09 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)o' Subject: Re: CSWS V1.1 and cert sellersr3 Message-ID: <r$6gu4BrbkZn@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3B4DAA0F.E6BF0E82@star.zko.dec.com>, Rick Barry <barry@star.zko.dec.com> writes:  G >> I'm working on the latest and greatest Apache server (CSWS V1.1) andyA >> was thinking of serving up some pages with HTTPS.  So far, fornF >> testing, I have been using self-signed certificates.  When I deployI >> this so that people from the outside world can get to it, I'm assumingiA >> that I have to get a certificate from a trusted source.  I'm a C >> complete newbie to this stuff, so it could be that I'm not quitet >> getting it. >>D >> Anyone have any pros or cons for the various places that do this?F >> I've seen VeriSign and Thawte offer this for different prices, $499? >> and $199, IIRC.  Why the cost difference?  Any other places?c  I > Server certificates provide web browser users a level of assurance that F > the server they connect to is identifiable and not being spoofed bybG > someone else. The level of assurance provided by a server certificatetE > depends on how  the entity that issues the certificate verifies the L > identity of the site requesting the server certificate and whether the web? > browser user "trusts" the entity that issues the certificate.   ? Note that Verisign issued two certificates to an unknown person > asserting that such person was Microsoft.  And that was on the1 Verisign product, not the cheaper Thawte product.   E This was not a failure of the cryptography behind digital signatures,aA but a failure of procedures, checks and balances within Verisign.m   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jul 2001 17:24:50 GMT' From: "Jim Strehlow" <jims@data911.com>g5 Subject: Re: Datatrieve Accounting Record for OpeNVMS / Message-ID: <9ikmh2$le@dispatch.concentric.net>t  3 It is on the OpenVMS Freeware CD ... under Lederman  if I remember correctly.  ! JimStrehlow, Data911, Alameda, CAe     Hal Kuff wrote in message ...yK >Can someone send me (or tell me where I might find) the OpenVMS accountingM >record definition(s) for DTR?   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2001 00:57:57 -0700* From: bob.knowles@compaq.com (Bob Knowles)* Subject: Re: DEC Notes available, someone?= Message-ID: <da08649c.0107112357.548ab2e1@posting.google.com>c   .  .e . F > > Oh, c'mon.  It isn't that bad!  Windows 2000 is really quite nice.J > > I'm still very fond of VMS, but I use a Windows 2000 system as my mainH > > "computer" and it works very well.  Windows and OpenVMS coexist very > > nicely.p > K > What planet do you live on, and how advanced is your computing technology5N > that you don't have to put up with waiting 15 seconds or so for a list of --% > oh, say, 5 files -- in a directory?e > C Returning briefly to the topic, NT Notes (running on my W2K box) is>A very fast. It seems (to me) faster than the VT client I was usingtF 10-15 years ago, but that may just be that the network has got faster,B or that I've recently been using more accessible servers. Or maybeF it's one of those phenomena to do with ageing - like policeman getting) younger; maybe _I_'m just getting slower.    bn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:14:55 -0400a% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>:* Subject: Re: DEC Notes available, someone?/ Message-ID: <tkrc65189f3m10@news.supernews.com>o  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3B4CC15C.241BA6CC@fsi.net...  > Steve Lionel wrote:o > >u? > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:45:46 +0200 (CEST), Freddy Meerwaldtn! > > <frederik@freddym.org> wrote:  > >t > > >And I suppose that's good!eG > > >I really don't want to run a DEC Notes server on a Windows *shake*N
 > > >Machine.a< > > >I certainly don't want to run anything under Windows... > >pF > > Oh, c'mon.  It isn't that bad!  Windows 2000 is really quite nice.J > > I'm still very fond of VMS, but I use a Windows 2000 system as my mainH > > "computer" and it works very well.  Windows and OpenVMS coexist very > > nicely.  >i; > How do I control a W2K program from an OpenVMS batch job?i >g  3 Buy JAMS for OpenVMS and the JAMS Windows NT Agent.a  $ See: http://JAMS.Argent-Software.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:00:04 +0200b2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> Subject: DHCP Gateway question3 Message-ID: <3B4D8334.2B59AA05@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>n   Hi,t   DHCP Problem  G I tried to run DHCP on a VAX under V7.3 and TCPIP V5.1. Goal is to giveaF IP addresses to laptops when used on different IP subnets in a domain.> The IP addresses should be fixed to particular MAC addresses.   E I defined those with dhcpgui in "active IP shnapshot". In contrast toe> the documentation I had to use client ID type 1 instead of 0.   E After a lot of tries I finally succeeded to get the IP Adress and theuE proper name for the Client (Windows 98). But as seen with winipcfg onnG the PC there was nothing in the field "Standard Gateway". This was also G consistent with the fact that I could PING the PC from other systems on/2 the same segment but not from outside the segment.  H The question is where can I configure DHCP so that the IP address of theF gateway of a particular subnet is specified? (I tried several menus inD dhcpgui where ROUTER was specified, but always when I tried to enter, something in special field dhcpgui crashed.)  % For the configuration I only modifieda - netmasks	e - nets - and with dhcpgui: %   - node info in "active IP snapshot"tC   - parameters in "server/security", like restrict to MAC addressesp  G Any hint is very appreciated in particular how to define the gateway. IiD also would prefer to define the client information manually. But theD particular chapter "7.4 Defining Client Information Manually" in theF documentation (from the openvms page) contains nothing and refers just to this section!   Regardso   Otto .,  -------------------------------------------, | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |,  -------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:24:46 +0200N2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>" Subject: Re: DHCP Gateway question3 Message-ID: <3B4D88FE.606406A6@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>    Hi,r  : I obviously have still an old documentation. I just looked@ at a newer TCPIP Management PDF for 5.1 and there are much more G details, so I hope to find some more possibilities to play around with.x   Regards  Otto  s,  -------------------------------------------, | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |,  -------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:59:09 +0200M2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>" Subject: Re: DHCP Gateway question3 Message-ID: <3B4D910D.9F896D75@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>2   Hi,@  < sorry for the question. The new documentation helped a lot -; my test PC is running with DHCP and manual configuration iss good described in detail.d   Thanks for listening.d   Regards    Otto -- o,  -------------------------------------------, | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |,  -------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jul 2001 06:05:57 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)n: Subject: Re: exploitable buffer overflows in VMS possible?5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-PrcE8vHQEcJr@localhost>c  > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:12:53, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill  Gunshannon) wrote:  + > In article <3B4B6623.B03C8D02@gtech.com>, B >  Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes: > |> n0 > |> I thougth noexe was an ignored attribute !? > |> i >  > Apparently!! >  > bill >   F Probably just as well when I think back to VEST complaining about codeE in data sections...or was data in code...either way you get the driftS   -- e Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:39:41 -0400e& From: Jerome Fine <jhfine@idirect.com> Subject: Re: Fortran... IRAD50+ Message-ID: <3B4DA89D.58AD558F@idirect.com>r   >Michael Austin wrote:  E > What in the world is IRAD50?  And how do I convert the following to ! > something that F90 understands?.  > CALL IRAD50(3,'MCR',DSPNAM(1))  > CALL IRAD50(3,'...',DSPNAM(2))   Jerome Fine replies:  F Rad50 was probably introduced before the PDP-11 systems were released,C but I have no knowledge of where or if it was used prior to 1970 inn other hardware/software.  J Since RT-11 was probably the first operating system set up for the PDP-11,J that may be when it was first introduced.  Since both mass storage in 1970G was so limited (as was RAM - mostly - only core at that time), DEC usedaM a reduced character set of 40 characters for names, in particular file names.IV All 26 capital letters, the 10 decimal digits, " " (space), "." (period), "$" (dollar)F and unknown were allowed.  Within a 16 bit word (integer), THREE Rad50N characters could be held.  The high order character was multiplied by 40 * 40.G The middle character was multiplied by 40.  The low order character was  there as itself.  6 If you work out the math, the largest valid number is:M (39 * 40 * 40 ) + ( 39 * 40 ) + 39 = 63999 decimal, although octal was almoste always used.  F In RT-11, a file name was 6 Rad50 characters followed by a 3 characterK type.  However, on the disk drive in the directory, only three 16 bit words E were used instead of 4 1/2 words for the total of 9 characters.  Most E language processors also did the same with MACRO-11 using 6 character @ names (same character set) along with FORTRAN IV and FORTRAN 77.J Six character names in the OBJ files were, therefore, only 2 words instead? of 3 words.  Naturally the LINK programs also recognized Rad50.o  J As for your specific question, the subroutine IRAD50 converts alphanumericP characters into Rad50 characters and stores the results into the array specified. by the third argument, 3 characters at a time.  D CALL  IRAD50 ( 3, 'MCR', DSPNAM(1) ) stores the Rad50 representationN (usually displayed as a 16 bit octal value if you ever want to know the actual@ value) of "MCR" in the first element of the array called DSPNAM.  G CALL  IRAD50 ( 3, '...', DSPNAM(2) ) stores the Rad50 representation oflF "..." in the second element of the array called DSPNAM.  How DSPNAM is5 used thereafter is the responsibility of the program.a  @ CALL  IRAD50 ( 6, 'MCR...', DSPNAM ) could probably replace bothJ subroutine calls, although not enough is known about the implementation ofH the subroutine to be absolutely sure.  In FORTRAN IV in RT-11, the above subroutine call is valid.i  C As to converting the code to something that FORTRAN 90 understands,tB I suspect that the questions depends on how DSPNAM is used.  SinceM you have not told us anything else about the program, it is almost impossiblei to provide an answer.m   Does this answer your question?r   Sincerely yours,   Jerome Fineo   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:32:56 +0100e. From: Trevor Blake <see.below@signature.block> Subject: Re: Fortran... IRAD50/ Message-ID: <3B4DD138.5B74D9B1@signature.block>    Carl Perkins wrote:y > a > In article <3B4D049B.884FD9A8@bellsouth.net>, Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> writes...aF > }What in the world is IRAD50?  And how do I convert the following to" > }something that F90 understands? > }e! > }CALL IRAD50(3,'MCR',DSPNAM(1))o! > }CALL IRAD50(3,'...',DSPNAM(2))y > }n > }Michael Austinh > J > This is aparently for producing "Radix 50" data. (Not that I expect that$ > knowing this will be much help...) > 1 > The Compaq Fortran web site has some info. See:w > ) > http://www.compaq.com/fortran/examples/d     In days of old   when programmers were bold and dimms were not invented    they stuck their strings in irad things a saved the space it emptied      C Radix 50 was/is a means of packing 3 alphanumeric characters into adE 16bit word.  It was used in the RSX-11 operating system on the PDP 11mF (where memory and addressing range were limited) as a compact means ofH representing alphanumeric information.  Task names and other information) used by the OS were represented in RAD50.I  F The statements above look as though they are getting the RAD50 versionC of the task name '...MCR' (that way round IIRC) which is the RSX-11oG command line interpreter, perhaps to call it.  I doubt you are going to H need to do this, look at the code that follows to see what is being done with the RAD50 data in DSPNAM.  F Bit of a memory jolt this, nearly spilt my coffee seeing RAD50 and F907 in the same paragraph, but thanks for the reminiscence.w     -- t Regards,  Trevor Blake  H You can reach me at: trevorXblakeZbaesystemsXcom  but replace X Z X by . @ .d  A Disclaimer:   Don't believe a word, 'cause words are only spoken .F               And lies are no comfort, when there's tears in your eyes   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jul 2001 06:05:58 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)- Subject: Re: FUD5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-xM5l41j270TN@localhost>@  1 On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:06:20, "Terry C. Shannon" e" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   > H > "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars> wrote in message/ > news:6UcEQILloPsD@eisner.encompasserve.org...i= > > In article <3B396846.7F2786B3@prodigy.net>, cjt & trefoil,  > <cheljuba@prodigy.net> writes:0 > > > Maybe it's "Shannon Knows Commoditization" > >tJ > > Or Shannon Knows Capellas. His commentary the past few weeks certainlyM > > sounds more like "party line" than it does "not authorized by, affiliateddM > > with, or endorsed by". It almost reminds me of the kind of commentary yout8 > > read in "Stereo Review"; straight vendor propiganda. > K > No, it's Shannon Knows Spelling. "Propaganda" does not contain the letteri > "i," > M > I haven't a clue what Compaq's "party line" is right now. I doubt they evenv > have one. ;-}s >   A Strikes me that Terry is caught between a rock and a (very) hard e place. b   -- o Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:43:30 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: FUD< Message-ID: <CAj37.6546$bj6.1557646@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote in message/ news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-xM5l41j270TN@localhost...e2 > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:06:20, "Terry C. Shannon"$ > <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: >a > >iJ > > "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars> wrote in message1 > > news:6UcEQILloPsD@eisner.encompasserve.org...V? > > > In article <3B396846.7F2786B3@prodigy.net>, cjt & trefoilh" > > <cheljuba@prodigy.net> writes:2 > > > > Maybe it's "Shannon Knows Commoditization" > > >tL > > > Or Shannon Knows Capellas. His commentary the past few weeks certainlyD > > > sounds more like "party line" than it does "not authorized by,
 affiliatedK > > > with, or endorsed by". It almost reminds me of the kind of commentary9 your: > > > read in "Stereo Review"; straight vendor propiganda. > >wF > > No, it's Shannon Knows Spelling. "Propaganda" does not contain the letter > > "i," > >wJ > > I haven't a clue what Compaq's "party line" is right now. I doubt they even > > have one. ;-}  > >  > B > Strikes me that Terry is caught between a rock and a (very) hard > place.  I Quite on the contrary. If anyone's caught between a rock and a hard placetI it's CPQ. As for me, I'll have no shortage of stuff to write about as CPQsL figures out what it's gonna do... and as customers make their "Should I Stay or Should I Go" decisions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:04:56 -0500u1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>- Subject: Re: FUD' Message-ID: <3B4DD8B8.31A21FF9@fsi.net>5   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:c > < > "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote in message1 > news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-xM5l41j270TN@localhost...s4 > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:06:20, "Terry C. Shannon"& > > <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: > >w > > > L > > > "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars> wrote in message3 > > > news:6UcEQILloPsD@eisner.encompasserve.org...oA > > > > In article <3B396846.7F2786B3@prodigy.net>, cjt & trefoil $ > > > <cheljuba@prodigy.net> writes:4 > > > > > Maybe it's "Shannon Knows Commoditization" > > > > N > > > > Or Shannon Knows Capellas. His commentary the past few weeks certainlyF > > > > sounds more like "party line" than it does "not authorized by, > affiliatedM > > > > with, or endorsed by". It almost reminds me of the kind of commentaryh > youf< > > > > read in "Stereo Review"; straight vendor propiganda. > > >dH > > > No, it's Shannon Knows Spelling. "Propaganda" does not contain the > letter
 > > > "i," > > >tL > > > I haven't a clue what Compaq's "party line" is right now. I doubt they > even > > > have one. ;-}a > > >e > >iD > > Strikes me that Terry is caught between a rock and a (very) hard
 > > place. > K > Quite on the contrary. If anyone's caught between a rock and a hard placewK > it's CPQ. As for me, I'll have no shortage of stuff to write about as CPQeN > figures out what it's gonna do... and as customers make their "Should I Stay > or Should I Go" decisions.  @ At this point, they'd be better off "waiting for an armoradillo" (intentional misspelling).   -- o David J. Dachterab dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:31:53 GMTn4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: FUD< Message-ID: <dal37.6609$bj6.1607794@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3B4DD8B8.31A21FF9@fsi.net...D > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > >g> > > "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote in message3 > > news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-xM5l41j270TN@localhost...06 > > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:06:20, "Terry C. Shannon"( > > > <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: > > >  > > > >"F > > > > "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars> wrote in messageh5 > > > > news:6UcEQILloPsD@eisner.encompasserve.org...uC > > > > > In article <3B396846.7F2786B3@prodigy.net>, cjt & trefoilo& > > > > <cheljuba@prodigy.net> writes:6 > > > > > > Maybe it's "Shannon Knows Commoditization"	 > > > > >NF > > > > > Or Shannon Knows Capellas. His commentary the past few weeks	 certainlyiH > > > > > sounds more like "party line" than it does "not authorized by, > > affiliatedD > > > > > with, or endorsed by". It almost reminds me of the kind of
 commentary > > youm> > > > > > read in "Stereo Review"; straight vendor propiganda. > > > > J > > > > No, it's Shannon Knows Spelling. "Propaganda" does not contain the
 > > letter > > > > "i," > > > > I > > > > I haven't a clue what Compaq's "party line" is right now. I doubts they > > even > > > > have one. ;-}c > > > >D > > > F > > > Strikes me that Terry is caught between a rock and a (very) hard > > > place. > >tG > > Quite on the contrary. If anyone's caught between a rock and a hardF placeeI > > it's CPQ. As for me, I'll have no shortage of stuff to write about as' CPQdK > > figures out what it's gonna do... and as customers make their "Should I  Stay > > or Should I Go" decisions. >nB > At this point, they'd be better off "waiting for an armoradillo" > (intentional misspelling). >q   ;-}c  K That may well be the case. But what is an armoradillo? A "trasnposed" Texas  turkey or a 64-bit peccadillo?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:29:18 +0100r* From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> Subject: Help in DCLM Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3384156@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>    ** Warning New Subscriber **  * Please could I have a little help with DCLI I need to set up a printer queue that flushes jobs into a 'black hole'. Is? was trying to set up some sort of null device, but to no avail.tI Also, how can I get what the date was 7 days previous. I have tried using I the time lexicals and subtracting 7 days, but that didn't work (Adding is  dead easy). F If these questions are not suitable for this news group, could someone direct me to a suitable one.  	 Thank youh   Andrew Robinsone arobinson@hspg.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:17:02 GMTn= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)h Subject: Re: Help in DCL0 Message-ID: <009FEE55.051B46B5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  z In article <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3384156@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>, Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> writes: >** Warning New Subscriber **u >d+ >Please could I have a little help with DCL J >I need to set up a printer queue that flushes jobs into a 'black hole'. I  E Create a queue with one of the NULL symbionts.  I have source for onei, if you can't find a suitable NULL symbionts.    @ >was trying to set up some sort of null device, but to no avail.J >Also, how can I get what the date was 7 days previous. I have tried usingJ >the time lexicals and subtracting 7 days, but that didn't work (Adding is >dead easy).G >If these questions are not suitable for this news group, could someone  >direct me to a suitable one.  >e
 >Thank you >m >Andrew Robinson >arobinson@hspg.com.  B $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''F$cvtime("TODAY-7-","ABSOLUTE","DATETIME")'"   Seems to work OK for me.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-            -J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:38:06 -0500-1 From: Robert Alan Byer <byer@mail.ourservers.net>h Subject: Re: Hobbyist 3 Message-ID: <3B4D8C1E.5A49A3CC@mail.ourservers.net>t   Keith Brown wrote: >  > Robert Alan Byer wrote:  > 1 > > Let's see, this is what I have running now...b > >l > > VAXStation-4000/60, OpenVMS.# > > AlphaStation-200 4/233, OpenVMSg# > > AlphaStation-250 4/266, OpenVMSm! > > AlphaStation 500/333, OpenVMSm > > AlphaPC 164 500MHz, OpenVMSn > > AlphaPC 164SX 533MHz, Tru64- > >- > > I have offline...- > >- > > AlphaStation-250 4/266' > > Two AlphaPC 164's with 500MHz CPU'ss > > MicroVAX-3400s > > VAXServer-3300 > > Several VAXStation-3100's  > > C > > All the working machines are clustered together on a Cisco 2924-B > > Enterprise switch hooked into my in-home 100 meg network.  I'm9 > > connnected to the internet via a 256K SDSL circuit :}k > >d. > > More info on my machines can be found at.. > >s" > > http://www.ourservers.net/docs > >dL > > I'm in the process of upgrading machines and re-organizing my network :}. > > (why do I have all this, because I can :}) > > i > > > If Kenny dies every show maybe it should be an NT node   ;-) >   E Actually my node KENNY is the MOST stable node.  The node that alwaysT giveseE me trouble is my AlphaStation 500/333 CARTMAN (geez, what a suprize).   G The usual problem is that at random times he likes to leave the cluster6B (you know kinda like "Screw you guys, I'm going home" type CARTMAN
 situation)  B I think I've solve the problem with a faulty network cable and bad. network card, but he's still fussy at times :}   -- f  @  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |@  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+@  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |@  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |@  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |@  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jul 2001 07:27:08 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.320117.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell)  Subject: Re: Hobbyists. Message-ID: <sfeFONC$DYuQ@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  [ In article <3B4C66EC.6E6FCDBD@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Dan O'Reilly wrote: 	 >> [snip]r! >> 2x Alpha Multia on a pizza box  > E > Just had a wild thought: what would be the world's smallest OpenVMSp
 > cluster? > E > Maybe two Alpha Multias connected to a pizza box and a 10BaseT hub?i > A > Maybe two Alpha SBCs with on-board SCSI and Ethernet in a PCIMGcI > backplane housed in a mini-ATX case with shared SCSI disk and a network  > hub? >  > How small could you get it?e >  > (Geez! I Gotta get a life!)r >     K As far as physical size, a pair of alphabooks would have to be the smallest"L possible cluster without building special purpose stuff like your sbc systemN above.  Of course, few people have *one* alphabook.  I don't know if *anybody*
 has two.  :-)i   -- 0O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)fO ===============================================================================y? Flounder: "I can't believe I threw up in front of Dean Wormer."t>    Otter: "Face it, Flounder.  You threw up *on* Dean Wormer."   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:36:14 +0200 (CEST)- From: Freddy Meerwaldt <frederik@freddym.org>O Subject: Re: HobbyistsK Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107121435170.13301-100000@firewall.freddym.org>z   Hi!0   > M > As far as physical size, a pair of alphabooks would have to be the smallestrN > possible cluster without building special purpose stuff like your sbc systemP > above.  Of course, few people have *one* alphabook.  I don't know if *anybody* > has two.  :-)5  ? Speaking about AlphaBooks - has someone an AlphaBook for sale?! % Would be a nice on-the-road-computer. , I'd love to let OpenVMS run on a Notebook...  
 Best Regards,  	Freddy3   -- ,N Geek Code 3.1: GCS s+: a--- C+++ UBOU+++ P-- E--- W++ N w--- V++ PGP- t? 5? tv  J ==========================================================================D  Frederik Meerwaldt  ICQ: 83045387  Homepage: http://www.freddym.orgC  Bavaria/Germany              OpenVMS and Unix Howtos and much moretI  Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, NetBSD, OpenBSD, IRIX, Tru64, OpenVMS, Ultrix, BeOSV   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:42:59 -0300d) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brt Subject: Re: HobbyistsL Message-ID: <OFC56F6122.4922F425-ON03256A87.004B1B32@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  J Wait for the Itaniumbooks .... and you will be able to run OpenVMS, Tru64,
 AIX, HPUX,; in this machine ! :-)))) Oh, of course.... Windows 200X....-    = Do they should be called i-books ? Oh Apple forgive-me ! :-))     K I would like an Alphabook of course but they are rare her ein South Americae !gK I still wating for my Alphaserver 400 for hobbyst purposes, but the resellra friend9 of mine didnt receive the machine from another customer !b Still waiting ......   Regards    FC            > Freddy Meerwaldt <frederik@freddym.org> em 12/07/2001 09:36:14  9 Favor responder a Freddy Meerwaldt <frederik@freddym.org>              Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com        Assunto: Re: Hobbyists     Hi!p   >lD > As far as physical size, a pair of alphabooks would have to be the smallestG > possible cluster without building special purpose stuff like your sbc  systemF > above.  Of course, few people have *one* alphabook.  I don't know if	 *anybody*o > has two.  :-)e  ? Speaking about AlphaBooks - has someone an AlphaBook for sale?! % Would be a nice on-the-road-computer.s, I'd love to let OpenVMS run on a Notebook...  
 Best Regards,       Freddy    --K Geek Code 3.1: GCS s+: a--- C+++ UBOU+++ P-- E--- W++ N w--- V++ PGP- t? 5?n tv  J ==========================================================================D  Frederik Meerwaldt  ICQ: 83045387  Homepage: http://www.freddym.orgC  Bavaria/Germany              OpenVMS and Unix Howtos and much more0I  Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, NetBSD, OpenBSD, IRIX, Tru64, OpenVMS, Ultrix, BeOS1   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:27:34 -0500 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>o Subject: RE: HobbyistsL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D2061@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>  L I think I would still prefer an AlphaBook.  On the other hand, RDI is a "petJ company" of mine, as was DEC in the past.  I like their products, and fromL what I've seen they're very solid. (Not affiliated with them, of course, but" I have some propaganda on my wall)   Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");. '   v   > -----Original Message-----+ > From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brl  = > Wait for the Itaniumbooks .... and you will be able to run   > OpenVMS, Tru64,o > AIX, HPUX,= > in this machine ! :-)))) Oh, of course.... Windows 200X....    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:54:03 -0500a1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i Subject: Re: Hobbyists' Message-ID: <3B4DBA0B.43845E7A@fsi.net>n   yyyc186@mindspring.com wrote:r > < > In <9iei3c$i9lpb$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>, on 07/10/2001H >    at 11:33 AM, "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de> > said:  > E > I have an AlphaPC164 and an Alpha Station 3000.  The lather will beo  G Lather? Gee - I'd heard they were developing something called SOAP, buts I never thought...  2 (Sorry - I'm just in a silly mood today, I guess!)   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:21:29 +0200n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>T Subject: Re: Hobbyists) Message-ID: <3B4DCE88.2383CD81@gtech.com>    Jason O'Donnell wrote:E > It seems that there are several OpenVMS Hobbyists in this group.  IiB > was just curious what systems people have in their homes runningE > OpenVMS.  Any GS series?  As soon as I get things organized, I willa) > have a 2100A RM and and a 2000 at home.   F I seriously doubt there are any hobbyist GS's. Too new. Too expensive. Too big. Etc.etc..  ) I guest most common hobbyist systems are:u   DEC 3000-x00 seriesd   AlphaStation 2x0 seriesy   PWS series   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:57:46 -0500 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>n$ Subject: RE: Intel/Alpha announcmentL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D2060@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----) > From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospamt  
 > In article r@ > <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D2057@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.co3 > m>, Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> writes:a  D > > Maybe it should be re-written in something of a higher level. :)  B > Before attempting to rewrite anything, it is necessary to have aE > specification of the proper behavior.  Otherwise one would get into-F > the problem that occurred when Mail was rewritten in C from Bliss --9 > lots of "features" upon which users depended went away.s  H Then there's no specification for it?  I suppose it would be possible to% come up with one from the MACRO-11 ;)   J Invest some time in it and it might replace microshaft weird.  I'd like to4 see billy try to make weird compile fortran code. :)   Regards,   Christ    ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developero Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");. '       ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2001 10:26:32 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)o$ Subject: RE: Intel/Alpha announcment3 Message-ID: <Tvk8ZzbDtPoS@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  z In article <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D2060@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>, Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> writes: >  >> -----Original Message----- * >> From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam >  >> In article A >> <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D2057@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.coo4 >> m>, Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> writes: > E >> > Maybe it should be re-written in something of a higher level. :)s > C >> Before attempting to rewrite anything, it is necessary to have a F >> specification of the proper behavior.  Otherwise one would get intoG >> the problem that occurred when Mail was rewritten in C from Bliss --a: >> lots of "features" upon which users depended went away. > J > Then there's no specification for it?  I suppose it would be possible to' > come up with one from the MACRO-11 ;)l    VMS TECO is written in Macro-32.  E To suppose that one can come up with a specification fully describingiG a program from just the source code is wishful thinking.  Does the code/E happen to use a static buffer to store the filename (talking about anwB arbitrary program now, not just TECO or Mail), such that users areD accustomed to not having to respecify the file name ?  If you changeB that static buffer to a local storage buffer on the stack, you mayD destroy that behavior (never documented) on which many users depend.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:31:55 -050051 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a$ Subject: Re: Intel/Alpha announcment' Message-ID: <3B4DB4DB.E1FB13CA@fsi.net>a   Hunter Goatley wrote:h > L > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:03:46 GMT, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry > Kilgallen) wrote:" > C > >Before attempting to rewrite anything, it is necessary to have asF > >specification of the proper behavior.  Otherwise one would get intoG > >the problem that occurred when Mail was rewritten in C from Bliss --n: > >lots of "features" upon which users depended went away. > B > "Features" that they refuse to put back in, because "it works asE > it's documented to work."  And why did they rewrite it in C?  I was8C > told that it was because the new people coming in only knew C andeC > didn't know BLISS.  Well, duh.  Apparently the new people weren'tN, > capable of learning something new, either.  C In computer school, we studied RPG-II, Fortran-IV, IBM BAL and ANSIt? COBOL. Programs were written on 80-column cards. Tests on study G materials were taken on the Plato system (gas-plasma display or special  CRT terminals).   C My first job/platform? IBM 5110 in a machine-specific perversion of G BASIC. This was one of their early "desktop" machines with a screen the G size of a 3x5 card, 24 lines by 64 columns of display (external monitoraE was possible). The disk storage was outboard - a dual 8-inch diskettecE drive about the size of a 2-drawer file cabinet - 256KB diskettes, ifkE I'm not too badly mistaken. The printer was a slow dot-matrix, 1403 In think.  F Next - "Business BASIC" on EOS, DG Nova-3 and MicroNova machines using@ IBM 5440-type disk cartridges (dual drive - one cart., one fixed	 platter).o  , Next - BASIC Plus-2 on IAS, PDP-11/70 (+ODL)  5 Next - BASIC Plus-2 on RSTS/E, PDP-11/70 (+ ODL, CCL)n  ; Next - VAX BASIC on VAX 11/750, VAX/VMS V3.2 - V3.6 (+ DCL)i  H Next - C-Shell, DIBOL (SIBOL) and Informix on UNIX, Pixel computer (yeahF - that's what I said when I first saw it: "Huh???!!!" It was the CFO'sG toy - he'd rigged additional disk drives in wooden shelves on the floorrG next to it, power and ribbon data cables passing into the system box; aDD "robust enterprise solution", to say the most (and stretch the pointB beyond credibility)). Oh yeah, they were also still running an IBM& System-3 with key/disk for data entry.  @ Next - RM/COBOL on 8-bit Televideo, MP/M (you don't wanna know!)  0 Next - VAX DIBOL on MicroVAX-II/Q5, VAX/VMS V4.5  C Next - All-in-1 on VAX 8350 (two-node cluster), VAX/VMS V5.0-2 thru 6 V5.3-1, moved to VAX 6410/6610, VMS V5.3-2 thru V5.5-2   (Other history deleted)   F ...not to mention Codex 6250 T1 channel bank, Xyplex and Cisco bridges and routers, and so on....  E Suffice it so say - I've used very little of what I actually studied,-# language-wise, aside from RM/COBOL.0  @ Now, the "schools" are cranking out "point-and-click robots" whoH wouldn't know a byte from a bite, even if it bit them. (Apologies to theD younger members of the group - obviously, I've been left with a sourD taste by recent developments in an industry I joined during its more explosive growth periods).   -- d David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsw http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/N  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:39:20 -0500s+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>o$ Subject: RE: Intel/Alpha announcmentL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D2062@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]  E > In computer school, we studied RPG-II, Fortran-IV, IBM BAL and ANSIIA > COBOL. Programs were written on 80-column cards. Tests on study ? > materials were taken on the Plato system (gas-plasma display o > or special > CRT terminals).&  I A friend of mine did some early development on its replacement, Plato II.   K There is actually a company here in town (which I've also known some peoplesE from...) which still works with technology that's descended from this K system, believe it or not.  (I think they may be pushing it too far at thise point, personally ;)    [Impressive job history deleted]  G > Suffice it so say - I've used very little of what I actually studied, % > language-wise, aside from RM/COBOL.   B > Now, the "schools" are cranking out "point-and-click robots" who9 > wouldn't know a byte from a bite, even if it bit them.   > (Apologies to theiF > younger members of the group - obviously, I've been left with a sourF > taste by recent developments in an industry I joined during its more > explosive growth periods).  I Probably no need to apologize.  As a "younger member of the group," I can B assure you that I share your animosity towards these "educational"F institutions.  There are people with "qualifications," who are no moreF qualified than my pet cat.  (My cat would likely do less damage to the equipment!)   H To really learn about computing properly, you've got to love it, because5 there's nobody teaching it correctly that I can find.l   Regards,   Chrish  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developerw Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");a 't  n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:44:07 -0500u+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> $ Subject: RE: Intel/Alpha announcmentL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D2063@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----) > From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam+  
 > In article B@ > <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D2060@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.co3 > m>, Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> writes:S  > > > Then there's no specification for it?  I suppose it would  > be possible to) > > come up with one from the MACRO-11 ;)   " > VMS TECO is written in Macro-32.  G > To suppose that one can come up with a specification fully describing < > a program from just the source code is wishful thinking.    H Well, note the smiley-face.  I do believe that it's possible, though.  IK also believe that it's probably more trouble than it's worth in most cases.    > Does the code-G > happen to use a static buffer to store the filename (talking about an.D > arbitrary program now, not just TECO or Mail), such that users areF > accustomed to not having to respecify the file name ?  If you changeD > that static buffer to a local storage buffer on the stack, you mayF > destroy that behavior (never documented) on which many users depend.  L Exactly why it would require several (hundreds?) hours of human review to do1 it, and probably be more trouble than it's worth.a  D On the other hand, one could write a "replacement" and distribute it@ along-side the original for a while, with the express purpose ofL "eventually" phasing the original out.  Take bug reports for cases where theH replacement doesn't function like the original and hope that you satisfy< most of the users, and get the behavior ironed out that way.   Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developery Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");= '=  =   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:15:24 -0500n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>8$ Subject: Re: Intel/Alpha announcment' Message-ID: <3B4DBF0C.3603AE87@fsi.net>l   Christopher Smith wrote: > [snip]K > Probably no need to apologize.  As a "younger member of the group," I can=D > assure you that I share your animosity towards these "educational"H > institutions.  There are people with "qualifications," who are no moreH > qualified than my pet cat.  (My cat would likely do less damage to the
 > equipment!)0  D In one of my more angry moments with an application vendor, I recallF making a comment that I didn't "know who'd written (a certain piece of0 code) - maybe a cat with a crayon in its mouth".   --   David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:16:49 -0400 + From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>=$ Subject: Re: Intel/Alpha announcment# Message-ID: <sb4d873d.083@aaas.org>   I ::GASP:: You mean all those MCSE's might not be "Engineers"??? Like the = J MCSE/A+ I worked with once who came to me and asked how to install a PCI =
 network card?4  K As for the animal kingdom and computing, I'm reminded: "Given an infinate = F number of monkeys with an infinate number of crayons and an infinate =I number of years, they will eventually write an infinate number of (bad) =c Microsoft products."  J >>> "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 07/12/2001 11:15:24 AM >>> Christopher Smith wrote: > [snip]I > Probably no need to apologize.  As a "younger member of the group," I =O canlD > assure you that I share your animosity towards these "educational"H > institutions.  There are people with "qualifications," who are no moreH > qualified than my pet cat.  (My cat would likely do less damage to the
 > equipment!)a  D In one of my more angry moments with an application vendor, I recallF making a comment that I didn't "know who'd written (a certain piece of0 code) - maybe a cat with a crayon in its mouth".   --=20  David J. DachteraS dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/=20i  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:" http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/=20  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:18:13 -0500t+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>:$ Subject: RE: Intel/Alpha announcmentL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D2065@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]   > Christopher Smith wrote:  
 > are no more = > > qualified than my pet cat.  (My cat would likely do less p > damage to the4 > > equipment!),  F > In one of my more angry moments with an application vendor, I recallH > making a comment that I didn't "know who'd written (a certain piece of2 > code) - maybe a cat with a crayon in its mouth".  J I'll have to test that by giving her a crayon and seeing whether she comes5 up with anything that looks like it might compile. :)w  F I suppose the schools are trying the "infinite monkeys on typewriters" method of software design.    L Just churn out monkey...err.. MCSEs ;) as fast as possible and maybe they'll eventually re-produce VMS.  < Problem is that I haven't even seen them get CP/M right yet.   Regards,   Chris"  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer) Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");i 'o      ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2001 08:19:05 -0700  From: nclews@csc.com (Nic Clews) Subject: Re: Minimerge= Message-ID: <a720d610.0107120719.41de6fb0@posting.google.com>1  f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<jqjRGzMUrpdQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>...  ? > > if you check the release notes of VMS721*SHADOWING* patches E > > and you are running VMS 7.2-1, then you too can take advantage of1
 > > minicopy.   < > 	Nic... I just peeled through the release notes and lookedD > 	at my AtoZ presentation (see slide seventeen where he states thatJ > 	write bitmap backport timeframe is to be determined) and do recall him G > 	stating mini-copy will be back-ported to 7.2 but a timeframe wasn't  # > 	given (and this was March 2001).y > < > 	Mini-copy isn't here yet for 7.2-1 unless you can show us
 > 	otherwise.s Hi Rob,:  D If you look at slide 19 of Hoff's presentation* it says that the 7.3F shadowing features were available via ECO, and I'm fairly sure he saidA "if you read the release notes" and I know at installation of thetC shadowing patch, you are asked the question and given the option ofdD the new functionality. However slide 6 does say 7.2-2 supporting theF WBM. I stand to be corrected though, I don't have a 7.2-1 system I canD try with with a SET HOST/LOG to check, I may try dissecting the PCSID to see what I vaguely recall! (Yes of course I read it. I just don't" remember exactly what it said! :-)   * May 2001 London.
 Regards, Nic.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:21:10 -0400t2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> Subject: PAWZ and ECP -e2 Message-ID: <80l37.621$rc5.41035@news.cpqcorp.net>   Dear Newsgroup,   E Here is a statment from Compaq around PAWZ and the ECP Data Collectorx2 thought you would want to see this, I just got it.  
 Warm Regards,-   Sue-  L ____________________________________________________________________________ ____      I The VMS org has picked up ownership of ECP Data Collector and that CompaqBE has licensed further development of the PAWZ and ECP product suite to B PerfCap, an external company staffed by former members of the PAWZK engineering team. For information about the products, including pricing and>I technical information, please contact Prem Sinha at +1 603 888 4149 or byrL sending email to capacity@mediaone.net. Information is also available at theK System Performance Group web site at http://www.SystemPerformanceGroup.com. K Please contact http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/system_management.htmlrJ for details, including technical and licensing information, on the OpenVMS) ECP Data Collector and Analyzer products.o  G Customers who have service contracts with Compaq Customer Services will1L continue to receive support until their contract expiration date, or OctoberD 1, 2002, whichever date comes first. They should contact PerfCap forJ information on receiving support for the PAWZ product set after that date.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:58:32 -0400\2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> Subject: Re: PAWZ dicontinued-2 Message-ID: <GOj37.615$rc5.41009@news.cpqcorp.net>   Folks,  < We can not say anything official at this time, but I can say IT IS NOT GOING TO CA.  L In case that was not clear, CA has not be involved in any disscusion on thisL topic.  That is from one of the PAWZ engineers that I just got off the phone with.-   sueF    8 "Don Waybright" <dwaybright@dollar.com> wrote in message7 news:9ef96daa.0107111514.18395d43@posting.google.com...tG > Just received word that Compaq has discontinued PAWZ.  They layed offy? > the entire PAWZ team, and you won't find the link to the PAWZ ? > documention on the OVMS System Management Tools page anymore.v > / > What is the future of the ECP Data collector?w > ( > I wonder if they will sell PAWZ to CA?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:21:24 -0400p  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com Subject: Re: PAWZ dicontinuedc4 Message-ID: <C2256A87.00599F70.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  < How can "they" do this without notifying existing customers?" Who can now be contacted  and how?        - kparris@my-deja.com on 07/12/2001 01:13:17 AMa  % Please respond to kparris@my-deja.comi   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comt cc:  Subject:  Re: PAWZ dicontinued        6 dwaybright@dollar.com (Don Waybright) wrote in message9 news:<9ef96daa.0107111514.18395d43@posting.google.com>...eG > Just received word that Compaq has discontinued PAWZ.  They layed offr? > the entire PAWZ team, and you won't find the link to the PAWZc? > documention on the OVMS System Management Tools page anymore.- >-/ > What is the future of the ECP Data collector?  >v( > I wonder if they will sell PAWZ to CA?  D I sent some suggestions in for PAWZ improvements last month, and theF response from the group manager was this: "Prem Sinha is leading a new8 company that will be taking care of PAWZ in the future."  E That seems to rule out another CA fiasco.  But it also puts PAWZ intohF the 3rd-party software category, as opposed to a vendor-supplied tool.  E I'm told that a copy of the source code for CP/Collect and CP/Analyzei> was obtained by the VMS organization before the layoffs.  ThatD probably means the ECP data collector will continue to be available.C ------------------------------------------------------------------- C Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on: C Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/Oe   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:59:11 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>t7 Subject: Porting TECO (was Re: Intel/Alpha announcment)o4 Message-ID: <3Xi37.262024$Z2.3153940@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  8 "Christopher Smith" <csmith@amdocs.com> wrote in messageF news:3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D2063@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com... >...F > On the other hand, one could write a "replacement" and distribute itB > along-side the original for a while, with the express purpose ofJ > "eventually" phasing the original out.  Take bug reports for cases where theeJ > replacement doesn't function like the original and hope that you satisfy> > most of the users, and get the behavior ironed out that way. >...  < Sounds like what DEC said about EDT when TPU came out in V4.   -- Peter WeaverJ Using a WIN NT/WIN 2000 box to manage your VMS systems is like towing your7 mechanic in a 5th wheel motor home behind your Porsche.,   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2001 11:08:21 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)o; Subject: Re: Porting TECO (was Re: Intel/Alpha announcment) 3 Message-ID: <jb2DKBATmdNe@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  d In article <3Xi37.262024$Z2.3153940@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes:: > "Christopher Smith" <csmith@amdocs.com> wrote in messageH > news:3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D2063@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com... >>... G >> On the other hand, one could write a "replacement" and distribute it C >> along-side the original for a while, with the express purpose ofeK >> "eventually" phasing the original out.  Take bug reports for cases where  > thedK >> replacement doesn't function like the original and hope that you satisfyt? >> most of the users, and get the behavior ironed out that way.  >>...  > > > Sounds like what DEC said about EDT when TPU came out in V4.  B And I guess that parallel offering will continue until the TPU/EVED team at Compaq upgrades their offering to include line mode commands equivalent to those in EDT.b  @ Quick, what EDT key is used to insert the emoticon for sarcasm ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:24:06 -0500t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r; Subject: Re: Porting TECO (was Re: Intel/Alpha announcment)d' Message-ID: <3B4DC116.C06D0E72@fsi.net>t   Peter Weaver wrote:  > : > "Christopher Smith" <csmith@amdocs.com> wrote in messageH > news:3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D2063@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com... > >...H > > On the other hand, one could write a "replacement" and distribute itD > > along-side the original for a while, with the express purpose ofL > > "eventually" phasing the original out.  Take bug reports for cases where > the-L > > replacement doesn't function like the original and hope that you satisfy@ > > most of the users, and get the behavior ironed out that way. > >... > > > Sounds like what DEC said about EDT when TPU came out in V4.  D For my part, TPU would have gained more acceptance (or at least less@ resistance) had it been more EDT-like in its initial appearance.G Specifically for my needs, the "Learn" mode needs to be more like EDT'sTG CTRL+K function in change mode, and it needs to accept EDTINI.EDT filessB with no changes. Then, I might consider changing, but for now, EDT remains my choice.  C I do find uses for TPU and EVE, but I still use EDT for my everydayoA editing. EDT has its faults, but I find them far fewer than TPU'swD foibles (documented behaviors that can produce undesirable results).   -- i David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:12:53 GMTo' From: mark@*NO*SPAM*techop.co.uk (Mark)p3 Subject: Re: Problem with rsh on VMS 7.2-1 (Solved)n/ Message-ID: <3b4dbe3e.27416562@news.force9.net>   C On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:27:00 GMT, mark@*NO*SPAM*techop.co.uk (Mark)e wrote:  ? >We need to start some processes on a remote UNIX host and thena@ >continue processing (from a C program).  The C program contains
 >a line like:b > 6 >   system("rsh/username="..."/password="..." hostname >"/path/to/command");c >eE >However the system call waits until the command and all its children D >exit even though the main command exits quickly after starting some@ >background processes.  The solution to this with UNIX is to useC >the '-n' option for rsh, but this does not seem to be available onu >VMS.  >i >Can anyone suggest a solution?   C The solution is to modify the script on the remote host to redirectD$ stdin,stdout and stderr to /dev/null   Mark.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2001 04:57:54 -07001 From: jason_odonnell@erinet.com (Jason O'Donnell)5" Subject: Rebranding the Alpha chip= Message-ID: <5c8ffd05.0107120357.6088bd57@posting.google.com>n   All,  C Since I just started posting in July, I do not know if the gossip IoE recently heard has been posted here.  Any topic more than 30 messages35 is too thick for me to want to wade through to check.a  F I work with an individual who recently left Compaq.  He was talking toD some of his buddies who still work at Compaq.  He said they told himE that the word they heard was that porting OpenVMS would be trivial assB the new IA64 with Alpha technology would have the same instruction set.  B This lead to the speculation that "merged" chip would really be an Alpha chip rebranded.s  > Basically, my sister's boyfriend's cousin dated a a girl whose
 father... :-)o You gotta love gossip...   JMOD   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:39:55 +0100r% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>.& Subject: Re: Rebranding the Alpha chip8 Message-ID: <68drktklr45iq4e9upva263fipq1t7rqso@4ax.com>  ? On 12 Jul 2001 04:57:54 -0700, jason_odonnell@erinet.com (Jasonw O'Donnell) wrote:"   >All,r >tD >Since I just started posting in July, I do not know if the gossip IF >recently heard has been posted here.  Any topic more than 30 messages6 >is too thick for me to want to wade through to check. >hG >I work with an individual who recently left Compaq.  He was talking totE >some of his buddies who still work at Compaq.  He said they told himmF >that the word they heard was that porting OpenVMS would be trivial asC >the new IA64 with Alpha technology would have the same instruction- >set.- > C >This lead to the speculation that "merged" chip would really be ane >Alpha chip rebranded.  @ Yes, we've heard that. If this was true I would have expected an; announcement that "Intel will consolidate its future 64 bit C development on the Alpha microprocessor, " Instead the announcementuD says "Compaq will consolidate its future 64 bit family of servers onB the Itanium architecture." Despite this being plain simple EnglishF some people insist on spinning it the other way so that Compaq can try? and milk its Alpha customers as long as possible by just simplyc4 telling lies. At least that's my take on the matter.  ? >Basically, my sister's boyfriend's cousin dated a a girl whosea >father... :-) >You gotta love gossip...c >r >JMOD    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:52:26 -0500s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>s: Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the recent turn of events...' Message-ID: <3B4DB9AA.301DF765@fsi.net>o   Duane Sand wrote:  >  > > "Main, Kerry" wrote.. > > > What part of those threads did you miss? >  > Bill Todd wrote:N > > The "We had this planned out well enough to give people at least the ghost> > > of a chance of believing we knew what we were doing" part? > B > Yup.  We're all looking for those lost threads (inside and out)!  3 Hhmmm... Maybe missed a threads ECO or something...t  2 (Sorry - couldn't resist an opening like that! :-)   -- o David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/y  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:45:39 -0400,5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>t: Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the recent turn of events...2 Message-ID: <SCj37.614$rc5.40853@news.cpqcorp.net>  J Sure.  We wish we had time to have been able to give detailed roadmaps andD plans ahead of the announcement.  It is being worked on as we speak.  K Nonetheless, the early announcements are a start.  We're porting VMS.  Yup.eH We're working on the plan right now, and starting investigations for theL specific work.  EV7 is being completed (in fact, initial boot has happened).J So, Alpha will be solid, and still wicked-fast & cutting edge for at leastJ the next 3 years.  We'll support those systems for a long time - just likeL we supported, and *still* support VAX.  "Porting" applications from Alpha toI IPF will be much less painful than the VAX-Alpha.  It should be compile &tF go.  VAX to IPF is probably the same pain level as the VAX-Alpha move.  H Yes, there are a *lot* more details that everyone wants to know.  But itE means that if you need that ES40 or GS120 today, they are still great2L systems, and there is still EV7 beyond that for growth.  You have a good 3-4G years before you *have* to think too much about moving to IPF, and that * should be a lot of time to prepare for it.    _Fred  (not speaking for Compaq)  : Bill Todd wrote in message <9iin9i$7e3$1@pyrite.mv.net>... >r7 >"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageaL >news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4AD7EF8@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net.. .a
 >> Andrew, >>K >> >>> I agreed with you up till this. Of course you should expect concretee0 >> timetables plus migration details. You cannotH >> expect Compaqs customer base to survive on what has been announced so
 >> far.<<< >>K >> As was stated a number of times in various threads (Fred, Hoff, Steve L)C >in)G >> this ng, the Engineering and Mgmt folks are working on these now andbE >> additional information will be made available as soon as possible.  >>+ >> What part of those threads did you miss?o >-K >The "We had this planned out well enough to give people at least the ghostr; >of a chance of believing we knew what we were doing" part?- >- >- bill  >J >> >> Regards,- >>
 >> Kerry Mainc >> Senior Consultant >> Compaq Canada Inc.e >> Professional Services >> Voice: 613-592-4660 >> Fax  :  819-772-7036o >> Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.comn >s >e >w   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2001 11:57:16 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the recent turn of events...3 Message-ID: <pN3xHzFlhxT5@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  j In article <SCj37.614$rc5.40853@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:  G > means that if you need that ES40 or GS120 today, they are still greato+                                       ^^^^^   & Sounds like a new system announcement.  " > _Fred  (not speaking for Compaq)   Whoops, guess not :-)s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:32:39 -0400n5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>v- Subject: Re: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on IA-64i2 Message-ID: <Gqj37.613$rc5.40889@news.cpqcorp.net>  I Well, I can only hold my breath for about 3-4 minutes, so I guess I won'tn ;-)   G In any case, there are not many people *today* who understand InifibandIL except at the 50,000 foot level.  But it *is* the future of high performance/ interconnects, and yes, we plan to be using it.h       mulp wrote in message ...a > @ >"Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message5 >news:m8937.123$XT4.278959@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...-D >> And IIRC InfiniBand will serve as the next-generation VMS cluster >> interconnect. >sK >I wouldn't hold my breath.  Almost all the people who did the work on SCA,rI >SCS, NISCS, CI, etc. have left.  Support of Fibre Channel has consumed ao lotaJ >of resources as has the new NISCS enhancements.  It should be interestingE >finding some people who know a lot about Infiniband architecture and_I >implementation and VMS internals and cluster architecture to develop theaL >mapping between the two systems.  The people involved in that probably haveG >a year's worth of up front study and planning before starting to code.n >c >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:54:28 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>n: Subject: Re: The death of VMS has been greatly exaggerated8 Message-ID: <fesqktgbor068kcmdfsn0evo3812nd06br@4ax.com>  1 On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:33:03 -0400, "Main, Kerry"m <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:      M >The fact that over time, AIX, HPUX, Linux64 (IBM and Compaq and other vendorsM >64bit Linux's), Win64, OpenVMS, Tru64 UNIX, and Tandem NSK all have plans toiF >support the IA64 platform, has got to say something about goodness in, >protecting future Customer HW investments.   D To the best of my knowledge neither IBM or HP were telling customersE two weeks ago  that the chip on which they currently ran was the besthE in the world and would be intensively developed and stay way superior D to IA64 for probably decades to come. Oh and I don't think they wereD saying that IA64 was an inherently inferior architecture which would never go anywhere either.R  ? Hey maybe if Capellas and Winkler had ever read any Alphaserver.A brochures or posts by Rob,  yourself etc making these points theyt= would have realized what a problem they were about to create.r     -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:43:49 GMTZ= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)DW Subject: the epitome of stupidity. was: Controlling NT applications from VMS batch jobs@0 Message-ID: <009FEE50.613B7E8E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <3B4DB842.EC12CF6@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: {...spin...}F >The ubiquitous "They" insist on shoving these NT-based VMS managementG >tools down our throats, while failing to grasp the utterly nonsensicalh0 >nature and laughable uselessness of such items.  4 It's the dumbing down of America.  Get used to it.      E >IMO, VMS is best managed from VMS - period, end of statement. TryingC= >adapt a trash GUI like NT to it is the epitome of stupidity.s  D *The* epitome of stupidity was demonstrated by Compaq just recently.? Why leave the lifeboat (Alpha) to get on the Titanic (Itanium)?a   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             uJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesa   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:06:33 -0400n% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>  Subject: Re: VMS V7.3 SPD ErrorM/ Message-ID: <tkrbmfcldkqm06@news.supernews.com>   ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messagel, news:ivG27.495$rc5.38938@news.cpqcorp.net...C > In article <Pfa%6.154244$Mq.4633135@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>,e dittman@dittman.net writes:aC > :The VMS V7.3 SPD lists the MicroVAX II in both the supported and 0 > :unsupported hardware list.  Which is correct? >lH >   AFAIK, supported through V7.2.  I'll check with the product manager. >uH >   Due to media availability, OpenVMS VAX systems upgrading to releasesI >   after V7.3 will require access to (and the ability to bootstrap from)t >   a CD-ROM drive.E >d  F I hope this is because you're going to make upgrading VAXen as easy asK upgrading Alphas.  I used to think that a VAX/VMS upgrade was easy, until Ir did an Alpha upgrade.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:41:14 GMT . From: "mulp" <michaelpettengill@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: VMS V7.3 SPD Error C Message-ID: <_il37.1268$IJ.153541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>   ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message5, news:ivG27.495$rc5.38938@news.cpqcorp.net...H >   Due to media availability, OpenVMS VAX systems upgrading to releasesI >   after V7.3 will require access to (and the ability to bootstrap from)e >   a CD-ROM drive.d  L It would be nice to have "infoserver" software for Windows; I seem to recallK that such a product/project was proposed multiple times over the years, but G I guess since this didn't look like a $1 billion business it didn't getsF funded; it would probably only been a small highly profitable software product.  K Occasionally you see Infoservers show up as available; they are worth a lot L more than the people who are offering them are asking.  Sometimes the peopleH offering them know their value and are going out of their way to recycle9 them rather than do the easy path of sending to the dump.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:41:20 GMTT. From: "mulp" <michaelpettengill@earthlink.net>4 Subject: Re: VMS-style clustering comes to Linux?!?!C Message-ID: <4jl37.1269$IJ.153541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>w  = "Patrick Spinler" <spinler.patrick@mayo.edu> wrote in messagem" news:3B45DDBD.A5427E30@mayo.edu.... >   http://bjbrew.org/cpq/ssic_linux/index.htm >o > A quick quote: >h? > > Technology pieces will include: membership, single root and B > > single init, cluster filesystems and DLM, single process space? > > and process migration, load leveling, single and shared IPC C > > space, device space and networking space, and single managementa
 > > space.  E Ah, Hydra!  Oldtime deccies will recognize Hydra as the project whichh2 resulted in the way scaled back VAXcluster system.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:52:20 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>p  Subject: Re: VXT 2000 with VMS?!8 Message-ID: <sjvqktcsv1lplrdvrslbu9doejlanru2n3@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:40:44 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff- Hoffman) wrote:-   >  >aF >  For some definitions of "cool", of course.  Mine involves having a G >  new [censored] system booted into the local cluster.  Whoops, sorry,e >  can't talk about that. :-)D  D That will be the Starfire Sun Enterprise 10000 port then? Are all 64A processors configured? About time we gave Sun a real OS to run on1) their hardware. Shhh don't tell Andrew :).  < At this rate you could have the iVMS port booted by tomorrow@ lunchtime. But what I'd really like is that iPAQ running VMS andA clustered over Bluetooth you keep hidden in your shirt pocket ;-)g     -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:41:27 GMTd. From: "mulp" <michaelpettengill@earthlink.net>O Subject: Re: Wailing and moaning.... (was: Some thoughts on the recent turn...) C Message-ID: <bjl37.1271$IJ.153541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>n  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:bV4jlg$eNGl5@eisner.encompasserve.org...mC > If there had been more people involve, there would have been moreoC > leaks over a longer period of time, and this newsgroup would haveh$ > had even more wailing and moaning.  I The leaks probably came from customers and others involved in preping for I the announcement.  The leaks didn't come from VMS engineers, for example,hL since they knew less than what the people reading this newgroup knew, unless' they read it here or The Registry, etc.r  K Alpha work proceeded a long way before may people knew how commited DEC wasoJ to switching from VAX to Alpha, and the thing that most people saw was allH the efforts going into the NVAX, the VAX 6000s, the VAX 9000, and VMS to support these platforms.  H The structuring of this announcement buries the work going on to deliver. EV69, EV7, Marvel, COE/DII, Oracle, V7.3, etc.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:45:27 GMTu4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>O Subject: Re: Wailing and moaning.... (was: Some thoughts on the recent turn...)b< Message-ID: <Xml37.6615$bj6.1613453@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  9 "mulp" <michaelpettengill@earthlink.net> wrote in messaget= news:bjl37.1271$IJ.153541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...u    J > The structuring of this announcement buries the work going on to deliver0 > EV69, EV7, Marvel, COE/DII, Oracle, V7.3, etc. >   C Sad but true. Given the scope, magnitude, and timing of the June 25mJ announcement, the fact that EV7 Pass One has booted Tru64 and OpenVMS on a* Marvel system has been largely overlooked.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.384 ************************