1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 14 Jul 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 388       Contents:1 Re: 3 Reasons why VMS is alive and probably well+ 1 Re: 3 Reasons why VMS is alive and probably well+  A home user in a pickle ( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate! Re: Attunity Connect and Oracle 8 D Re: Compilers go to Intel, hobbyist, CSLG, etc. goes out the window?0 determinig TIFF and PDF document number of pages4 Re: determinig TIFF and PDF document number of pages Re: FUD  Re: FUD  Re: FUD  Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS on IA64) Re: IPF already needs a face-lift for VMS  Re: Is there a WASD forum? Re: PAWZ and ECP -0 Re: Poll: Move OpenVMS to IPF: Agree or Disagree RA7x series disks ' Re: SET DEVICE/SITE what does this do?? L Re: UK hobbyist machine sources, was: Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update query1 Re: What is "Retrying network bootstrap" message?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:27:58 GMT # From: Bob Day <bobday@mediaone.net> : Subject: Re: 3 Reasons why VMS is alive and probably well+, Message-ID: <3B50730B.C0C66103@mediaone.net>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > > E > > David J. Dachtera wrote in message <3B4F05A4.75AF7B83@fsi.net>...  > > F > > >Here's the deal: the Q have, essentially, flipped the bird to VMSM > > >customers outside of the niche market they've chosen for VMS (screw what L > > >the market wants - it's what the vendor wants that matters: CommandmentG > > >#1: "I Am The Lord, Thy Vendor - Thou Shalt Not Have False Vendors L > > >Before Me!"). That means no new sales in dead markets like Chicago, andK > > >existing customers in that status will likely jump ship in numbers not H > > >seen since the mid-90's. No upgrades, no service contract renewals,
 > > >NUTHIN'!  > > >  > >  > > Way harsh Dave.  >  > Prove me wrong.  > > > > IMHO you might have a case if we had said VMS wasn't being > > ported.  > J > All customer hears is that Alpha is going away. You've lost them at thatF > point - what you say after is just shouting upwind into a hurricane. > L > > >Expecting anything other than a financial disaster is considerably less > > >than realistic. > > >  > > M > > The funny thing here is, there have been a lot of VMS customers that have  > > been very happy about this.  >  > Name one.  > J > I've been barking about VMS on Intel for years. So, yeah, I'm glad we'llC > finally see it. Ten years too late, and much too late to save the J > OpenVMS market here in Chicago, but better late than never, even if just- > so I can live long enough to see it happen.   K At this point, my feeling is better never than late.  The wait has been too H long, too filled with high hopes, and too frustrating when the hopes areG always unfulfilled.  It's time to bury VMS.  It's only future now is to  glorify its past.   
 -- Bob Day   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:41:14 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> : Subject: Re: 3 Reasons why VMS is alive and probably well+' Message-ID: <3B50843A.286344FC@fsi.net>    Bob Day wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > > > G > > > David J. Dachtera wrote in message <3B4F05A4.75AF7B83@fsi.net>...  > > > H > > > >Here's the deal: the Q have, essentially, flipped the bird to VMSO > > > >customers outside of the niche market they've chosen for VMS (screw what N > > > >the market wants - it's what the vendor wants that matters: CommandmentI > > > >#1: "I Am The Lord, Thy Vendor - Thou Shalt Not Have False Vendors N > > > >Before Me!"). That means no new sales in dead markets like Chicago, andM > > > >existing customers in that status will likely jump ship in numbers not J > > > >seen since the mid-90's. No upgrades, no service contract renewals, > > > >NUTHIN'!  > > > >  > > >  > > > Way harsh Dave.  > >  > > Prove me wrong.  > > @ > > > IMHO you might have a case if we had said VMS wasn't being
 > > > ported.  > > L > > All customer hears is that Alpha is going away. You've lost them at thatH > > point - what you say after is just shouting upwind into a hurricane. > > N > > > >Expecting anything other than a financial disaster is considerably less > > > >than realistic. > > > >  > > > O > > > The funny thing here is, there have been a lot of VMS customers that have ! > > > been very happy about this.  > > 
 > > Name one.  > > L > > I've been barking about VMS on Intel for years. So, yeah, I'm glad we'llE > > finally see it. Ten years too late, and much too late to save the L > > OpenVMS market here in Chicago, but better late than never, even if just/ > > so I can live long enough to see it happen.  > M > At this point, my feeling is better never than late.  The wait has been too J > long, too filled with high hopes, and too frustrating when the hopes areI > always unfulfilled.  It's time to bury VMS.  It's only future now is to  > glorify its past.   4 At first that kind of statement seems a bit extreme.  G However, given the futility of trying to convince the powers-that-be to A market OVMS, you are quite probably correct. Without a 180-degree D turn-about in OpenVMS marketing (from near-zero spending to massive,G bet-the-farm spending on global, go-for-the-throat ad campaigns), there 0 can be no other conclusion to the OpenVMS story.  > Then again, consider some of the places where OpenVMS is used:D government agencies who have influence they can exert to ensure thatC OpenVMS never becomes mainstream and, thus, is never the subject of , extensive study by hackers around the world.   To quote from Jim Croce:! You don't tug on Superman's cape.  You don't spit into the wind. 0 You don't pull the mask off that ol' Lone Ranger% and you don't mess around with "Jim".    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2001 04:59:27 -0700) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)   Subject: A home user in a pickle= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0107140359.6490f5b6@posting.google.com>    Hi,   F I've got an Alpha PC164/500 here at home running OpenVMS and I want to/ increase the performance of the system device -  AND_STILL_BE_ABLE_TO_BOOT_IT  D My config uses a KZPAA (old NCR53C810 SCSI-2) controller with an old SCSI-2C (IBM DCAS-34330) system device, a SCSI CD writer (Sony CRX145S) and  readerC (NEC465), Exabyte EXB-8505 tape. My user disk is Ultra-160 (Adaptec 
 ASC29160 -> these are great under OpenVMS FOR_HOME_USERS_ONLY_UNSUPPORTED!D sys$pkadriver.exe, 0x00809005 in your sys$user_config.dat) a Quantum ATLAS_V_18_WLS.   F $1$DKA0:       (HILUX)  Mounted              0  SYSTEM          486445	   491   1 . $1$DKA400:     (HILUX)  Online wrtlck        0. $1$DKA600:     (HILUX)  Online wrtlck        0F $1$DKB0:       (HILUX)  Mounted              0  USER          18360828	    12   1   B My problem is that the KZPAA does not exactly _perform_. I can get 22Mbytes/sec out of the Adaptec/Quantum.   D The whole issue would be solved if the SRM console could _BOOT_ from the + Adaptec, however it knows nothing about it.   B Someone handed me a Qlogic ISP1040A (differential SCSI) controller that is F totally supported by the SRM console - this would increase performance overF the KZPAA. The same person handed me a couple of broken HP SCSI drives and E told me to use the DS36954 chips from them to build a converter to SE  SCSI for my existing devices.  A Another problem is that the system only has 4 PCI slots. Two SCSI  controllers D is one too many and I'm out of PCI slots. I've got an ISA sound card	 (M$ sound E system - I don't like the mention of M$ in my OpenVMS system, however E it runs Multimedia Services well). I could however use an ISA netword  card for my cable F modem connection (2 ISA slots available) instead of PCI since it would free up  a PCI slot.   > What is everyone else doing for these type of (home computing)	 issues???    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2001 17:00:08 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate 6 Message-ID: <20010714170008.26422.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  A An anonymous posting interface can be found at the following URL:   0 http://xenophon.r0x.net/cgi-bin/mixnews-user.cgi  I This uses strong encryption but doesn't use SSL for the connection to the E website - so don't use your own computer when you're posting the real  inside story ;)    Doc. - --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----  Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBO099csriC3SGiziTAQFs8gf9H19lXHVvkWsJ15JF7WPEe+Rjk3gbGxpa@ R6cuhP5ts4MzfruBqDC7lDEwl6vKTz2UvW44smT5yfMksaK2xbMg0J/FuhmbpQxc@ tNOhPQpoILtFdGnhNWV8GZgO20Zg13xGQySYCC07IT1iwJBF8iN4pGnVHh+deCxd@ X0+IUCoP+X+DjGVAyw0nR9Q8U4eHcBQL7HyS4FM1PK5amU9UxuH9RyKR1RRsyDx/@ Q78dPRZoQ6ENKrsJhOfC04oIFOxXxO6U9Qz5wtyOR0o0ZAuvteF2i5rnibTp0b938 fOeSooZdO6uVCcOAqq/6yuWOJN1naKYqKh2u3XPwFGwq/v1auLvgZw== =WXi3  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:48:30 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> * Subject: Re: Attunity Connect and Oracle 8' Message-ID: <3B5085EE.9A5C3A68@fsi.net>    Eric Ebinger wrote:  > N > And how, pray tell, do you have a Java application running on an Alphaserver= > (VMS) talk to the Rdb database running on said Alphaserver?   A The same way any other app. on any other machine would access it?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:45:42 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> M Subject: Re: Compilers go to Intel, hobbyist, CSLG, etc. goes out the window? ' Message-ID: <3B508546.334C3516@fsi.net>    Bill Todd wrote: > [snip]K > Let's see how the people who answer the questionnaire feel about Compaq's " > 'responsiveness' in this matter.  E Sorry - I missed some posts along the way (local difficulties). Which  questionnaire is that?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2001 03:26:53 -07004 From: francesco.gennai@iat.cnr.it (Francesco Gennai)9 Subject: determinig TIFF and PDF document number of pages < Message-ID: <72f5654.0107140226.7974c36f@posting.google.com>  7 Inside a script I need to determine the number of pages % in a TIFF(multipage) or PDF document.   < Is there any utility/product on OpenVMS platform to get such
 information ?    regards, Francesco Gennai   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:45:45 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> = Subject: Re: determinig TIFF and PDF document number of pages + Message-ID: <3B507738.AF50A4D@videotron.ca>    Francesco Gennai wrote:  > 9 > Inside a script I need to determine the number of pages ' > in a TIFF(multipage) or PDF document.    Not very pretty, but you can:   A CONVERT/DOCUMENT myfile.tiff/format=tiff  myfile.SGML/format=SGML   K This will generate a number of separate tiff files, one for each page. (you 7 may have to first convert it to DDIF and then to SGML).   F There would be more esthetic ways of doing this, but if you don't find anything else.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jul 2001 06:13:48 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)  Subject: Re: FUD5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-xDdvp4dsIwjq@localhost>   1 On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:43:30, "Terry C. Shannon"  " <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   > < > "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote in message1 > news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-xM5l41j270TN@localhost... 4 > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:06:20, "Terry C. Shannon"& > > <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: > >  > > > L > > > "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars> wrote in message3 > > > news:6UcEQILloPsD@eisner.encompasserve.org... A > > > > In article <3B396846.7F2786B3@prodigy.net>, cjt & trefoil $ > > > <cheljuba@prodigy.net> writes:4 > > > > > Maybe it's "Shannon Knows Commoditization" > > > > N > > > > Or Shannon Knows Capellas. His commentary the past few weeks certainlyF > > > > sounds more like "party line" than it does "not authorized by, > affiliatedM > > > > with, or endorsed by". It almost reminds me of the kind of commentary  > you < > > > > read in "Stereo Review"; straight vendor propiganda. > > > H > > > No, it's Shannon Knows Spelling. "Propaganda" does not contain the > letter
 > > > "i," > > > L > > > I haven't a clue what Compaq's "party line" is right now. I doubt they > even > > > have one. ;-}  > > >  > > D > > Strikes me that Terry is caught between a rock and a (very) hard
 > > place. > K > Quite on the contrary. If anyone's caught between a rock and a hard place K > it's CPQ. As for me, I'll have no shortage of stuff to write about as CPQ N > figures out what it's gonna do... and as customers make their "Should I Stay > or Should I Go" decisions. >   F Understood, but I meant more in the sense of being caught between the E two stools of appreciating the points of view of Compaq and those of  B us who do not see this 'change' as having being managed with elan.   --   Cheers - Dave.  F PS. Only doing this NG reading once a day does mean one lags behind in the banter stakes :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:05:06 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: FUD< Message-ID: <mkY37.9540$bj6.3175432@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote in message/ news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-xDdvp4dsIwjq@localhost... 2 > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:43:30, "Terry C. Shannon"$ > <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: >  > > > > > "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote in message3 > > news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-xM5l41j270TN@localhost... 6 > > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:06:20, "Terry C. Shannon"( > > > <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: > > >  > > > > F > > > > "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars> wrote in message 5 > > > > news:6UcEQILloPsD@eisner.encompasserve.org... C > > > > > In article <3B396846.7F2786B3@prodigy.net>, cjt & trefoil & > > > > <cheljuba@prodigy.net> writes:6 > > > > > > Maybe it's "Shannon Knows Commoditization"	 > > > > > F > > > > > Or Shannon Knows Capellas. His commentary the past few weeks	 certainly H > > > > > sounds more like "party line" than it does "not authorized by, > > affiliatedD > > > > > with, or endorsed by". It almost reminds me of the kind of
 commentary > > you > > > > > > read in "Stereo Review"; straight vendor propiganda. > > > > J > > > > No, it's Shannon Knows Spelling. "Propaganda" does not contain the
 > > letter > > > > "i," > > > > I > > > > I haven't a clue what Compaq's "party line" is right now. I doubt  they > > even > > > > have one. ;-}  > > > >  > > > F > > > Strikes me that Terry is caught between a rock and a (very) hard > > > place. > > G > > Quite on the contrary. If anyone's caught between a rock and a hard  place I > > it's CPQ. As for me, I'll have no shortage of stuff to write about as  CPQ K > > figures out what it's gonna do... and as customers make their "Should I  Stay > > or Should I Go" decisions. > >i > G > Understood, but I meant more in the sense of being caught between the F > two stools of appreciating the points of view of Compaq and those ofD > us who do not see this 'change' as having being managed with elan. >H > -- > Cheers - Dave. >:  J Indeed these are two, umm, widely divergent points of view.  I have littleK doubt that Compaq can pull off the technical aspects of the transition, butgB marketing, positioning, and educating the marketplace are dauntingK tasks--and tasks which neither DEC not CPQ have established a stellar track  record.h  J The customer angst is quite justifiable... until  mid-June, customers wereJ being told that Alpha had a sustainable performance advantage, etc, etc. AI sudden abdication to the hated Intel architecture (long maligned by AlphaG. adherents!) is not an easy thing to deal with.  K Ah well. There's collateral out there that will come back to haunt me (likezJ the "Alpha is a safe long-term bet" quote and article that appeared in TheG Australian about a year ago), but imagine how the Alpha salesforce mustU feel!R   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:31:22 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>g Subject: Re: FUD' Message-ID: <3B5081EA.DC16BC27@fsi.net>-   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:, > [snip]+ > ... imagine how the Alpha salesforce must  > feel!o  # There's an "Alpha salesforce"???!!!o    They must be masters of stealth!   -- A David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged./   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:29:05 -0500t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o% Subject: Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS on IA64.' Message-ID: <3B508161.55495766@fsi.net>o   Carl Perkins wrote:t > [snip] > ... VMS only works on special- > motherboards.-  F Given that there are other considerations (IRQs, etc.), I would expectH nothing less; on the other hand, I would expect that the "standard" IA64B mobo of the future would be - by specification - OpenVMS-capable.   ? Whaddaya want - I'm an optimist on certain topics (and morbidlya pessimistic on others).e   -- t David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:56:21 GMTs= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)y2 Subject: Re: IPF already needs a face-lift for VMS0 Message-ID: <009FEFC2.EF52EAF5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <R8K37.714$rc5.47937@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:Dq >In article <009FEF28.ED72735E@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:aL >:Assuming the Itanium processor privilege levels of 0,1,2, and 3 correspondL >:to kernel, executive, supervisor and user respectively, there are some big> >:holes in the page protection scheme where VMS is concerned.  >rH >  The OpenVMS Engineering exec team is aware of this, and expects that I >  there is sufficient support within the existing IPF memory management .I >  page protection design to implement the page protection settings that  H >  are expected by OpenVMS itself, and by privileged-mode applications.  >eK >  We (OpenVMS) presently appear to have several options that will provide oH >  the expected outer-mode read access to certain kernel-writable pages,! >  and we are investigating each.   H What?  UR pages?  Modify the PTE to KW, invalidate the TB, write, modify# the PTE to UR, invalidate the TB?     8 Or, double map the pages.  One mapping UR, another KW?    
 Yuch to both.8   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi            -J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesa   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:48:23 +0200o, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch># Subject: Re: Is there a WASD forum?i& Message-ID: <3B5085E6.4BC4514A@gmx.ch>   "D.Webb" wrote:r > 6 > I thought that was the OSU Decthreads server      :) > 9 > ( http://kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu/doc/serverinfo.html )<  E Yep. OSU is YAWS, as APACHE is. Btw, I discovered that there actuallye9 was a "word game" when pronouncing APACHE a l'amricaine:t   a patchy  4 (because it is actually the very origin of its name)  G In French, we pronounce hapach' (like the famous Indians), which has noo pun at all that way.  F To go back to ouassd (or wasdee?), it is compatible with both Apache,G OSU and Netscape FastTrack Server. I do not know the two last ones, buteH as WASD is already installed where I work today, this is why I asked the: question. I will ask Mark Daniel anyway (his main author).   D.  " (YAWS = yet another web server :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jul 2001 09:48:56 GMT' From: prosullivan@aol.com (PROSULLIVAN)  Subject: Re: PAWZ and ECP -a: Message-ID: <20010714054856.19371.00005591@ng-mq1.aol.com>  K >>The VMS org has picked up ownership of ECP Data Collector and that CompaqaG >>has licensed further development of the PAWZ and ECP product suite tonD >>PerfCap, an external company staffed by former members of the PAWZ  M People haven't read the article closely: VMS will keep the data collector andwI analyzer only: not the rest of the ECP set. Go and see what that means...o  M The slant of interest in the method of distribution rather than merits of thev  actual product is a fascinating.  O Reason: VMS stayed with CA unicenter collector in lemming-like droves and would-> not give house-room to anything else, even written by Compaq.   O This also shows how many people actually used PAWZ, ECP Planner/Reducer in VMS:7 hardly any.5  K BTW - PAWZ/ECP works on TR64, Sun, HP, Aix, Linux and Wndows NT/2000. Maybe O there is more support and possibly more market share from those platforms  than0 from VMS. Nice one guys.   "   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jul 2001 16:07:00 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)s9 Subject: Re: Poll: Move OpenVMS to IPF: Agree or Disagree 0 Message-ID: <9ipqn4$mhu$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  [ In article <tkud90ovd3ef2c@news.supernews.com>, dont.respond@to.me (Warren Spencer) writes:pK >Compaq's statements repeatedly say how happy customers are about the move aF >to IA-64.  I see a little of that in this ng - but certainly not the M >thrilled majority that Compaq's statements imply (perhaps it's their WinTel h >costomers that are thrilled?).  > ! >So I'd like to ask the question:l >.9 >  "Do you agree or disagree with moving OpenVMS to IPF?"o >sM >For those who care to respond (to this newsgroup only please): No diatribes  K >on this thread; a simple "agree", "disagree", or "other" will do.  Permit   >me to start the voting: >e >    	Agrees   I agree as well.   Regards,    Christoph GartmannS  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:40:38 -0400 ( From: Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> Subject: RA7x series disksL Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10107140939500.15523-100000@triangle.cs.uofs.edu>  D Does anyone have any RA7x (RA70, RA71, RA72 or even RA73) disks theyE are wanting to get rid of??  I have recently received a VAX-3500 with C a KDA50 and one dead RA70 in it.  I would like to revive it withoutC hangin it on an RA80.w   Any offers gladly accepted.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 07:19:34 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>0 Subject: Re: SET DEVICE/SITE what does this do??& Message-ID: <3B4FF283.18ACBD0@home.nl>  D This new qualifier is for multi-site SAN (fibrechannel) shadow sets.  H Normally when you have a VMS shadowset, VMS will use both disks for readI operations, which makes sence because in classical setups both disks willy+ have a similar access path from the system.n  J With SAN this does not have to be the case. Storage (raid controllers) and> systems are connected to a switch or switches. Switches can beE interconnected by a inter switch link, and switches can be located on 3 different sites. It's all very similar to ethernet.e  F Now suppose you have a (very simple) setup where a system has two raidG controllers, one on the same switch, and one on a switch on a different E site. The switches are connected by one fibre pair. A raid controllernH normally has four connections to a switch.  If VMS has shadow sets whereJ the members are on both raid controllers, it is easy to understand that itF would not be desirable to use both members of a shadowset, because allG reads to the shadow set members on the remote site would have to travelhF over one inter switch link, thus causing severe congestion and delays.  5 To resolve this problem the new /site switch is used.aG Suppose disk DGA200 is on the same site as the system, and DGA300 is oncH the remote site. The shadow set for both disks is DSA100. Now you can do the following:   set device DGA200 /site=here set device DGA300 /site=remote set device DSA100 /site=here  E This way you tell the shadowdriver to use DGA200 for read operations. ; There is a bit more to it, but this is the general concept.    Regards,   Dirk   Piet Timmers wrote:    > Hi,  > H > Playing around with shadowsets I found some new qualifiers for the SET > DEVICE
 > command. >uF > It is possible to to use /SITE to tell the shadowdriver the locationF > of the disk. When I read the documentation I see that this should beD > set, but I cannot find why, what is the inpact when I do this, and > what if I don't? >tE > (I was supprised me that this shadowpatch, changes DCL commands, itDG > adds new functionality, but that the HELP information is not updated)0 >  > Piet Timmers   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2001 12:34:32 -0500$ From: rivie@localhost.localdomain ()U Subject: Re: UK hobbyist machine sources, was: Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update query 8 Message-ID: <slrn9l114p.1r5.rivie@localhost.localdomain>  = Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> wrote: / >On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:44:52 -0400, in articledI ><rdeininger-1207012344520001@user-2iveakp.dialup.mindspring.com>, Roberte >Deininger wrote:a >>K >>In article <VebMP1Y8aK$L@cc.usu.edu>, ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) wrote:t >>A >>> I just picked up a DEC 3000/400 from my favorite junk dealer.d > # >What kind of junk dealer is this ?n  4 Sorry; I missed this one in the thread title change.  G The particular junk dealer I bought this system from was the UniversitysE of Utah's Surplus store. There's a lot less DEC junk there than there C used to be, although there's lots of other really interesting stuffvB if you can figure out how to use it (it's got a medical school, soC there are all kinds of fun toys like ultrasound and x-ray machines,t gene sequencers, etc).  H They seem to have some peculiar ideas about pricing, though; a couple ofD years ago I picked up an HP9100B for $10 which was sitting next to a6 model 33 TeleType which was priced at $300. Go figure.  
 Roger Ivie ivie@cc.usu.eduh    > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2001 06:16:51 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)e: Subject: Re: What is "Retrying network bootstrap" message?3 Message-ID: <7QvWPUq+xboQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  ^ In article <3B4F9853.E28EA493@mindspring.com>, Kersi Marolia <kmarolia@mindspring.com> writes: > Hi,r > G > We have a VAX with Open VMS 5.5, which was part of a VAX cluster. Our I > VAX was shutdown before the cluster was shutdown and dismantled. Today,mI > I had to restart our VAX. The system and drive checks passed okay. ThencE > it stopped with  message "Retrying network bootstrap". This messageW! > repeats about every 10 minutes.  > H > Does this mean that our VAX was actually booting of another VAX in theI > cluster? If this is correct, how can I boot our VAX? Join it to our LANi@ > (TCP/IP and Novell only)? I have no documentation or software.   Yes.   Reinstall VMS.   No.e  F You must get software and either documentation or someone who is quiteF familiar with installing VMS (and remembers how it worked on V5.5>.  IC would suggest getting the people from your organization who ran the ? cluster and seeing if they have the software, documentation and'
 knowledge.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.388 ************************