1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 15 Jul 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 390       Contents:1 RE: 3 Reasons why VMS is alive and probably well+ 1 RE: 3 Reasons why VMS is alive and probably well+ $ Re: booting diskless satellite fails$ Re: booting diskless satellite fails Compaq have committed suicide ) DEC LP-25 Line Printer Power Board Wanted A Re: Decnet IV vs. DECnet V (was: RE: Full port of VMS to Itanium) 	 Re: emacs < Re: Help =?iso-8859-1?Q?=96?= Get OpenVMS screen data by ASP) Re: Help ? Get OpenVMS screen data by ASP % Help  Get OpenVMS screen data by ASP ) Re: Help  Get OpenVMS screen data by ASP  Idle process Re: Idle process0 Re: Poll: Move OpenVMS to IPF: Agree or Disagree0 Re: Poll: Move OpenVMS to IPF: Agree or Disagree Re: RA7x series disks ! TCPIP 5.0A , ECO 3  - FTP problem  Re: UK hobbyist machine sources  VMS Docset Wanted  Volume Shadowing Question  Re: Volume Shadowing Question  Re: Volume Shadowing Question  whats happening with vms?  Re: whats happening with vms? > [MAILER-DAEMON@arkham.ws: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2001 07:07:07 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>: Subject: RE: 3 Reasons why VMS is alive and probably well+6 Message-ID: <20010715070707.18050.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  A On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:  >Dave, >  >>>> Name one. <<< > : >I could name a number of the ones that I have talked to.   D "could" - but don't. And you wonder why your credibility is damaged.  J >As Fred pointed out, once the whole picture is explained then they (or atI >least the ones I have talked to) seem satisfied and in a few cases, even D >glad to hear OpenVMS is getting ported to what will likely become a >mainstream HW platform.    F Well, get someone to explain "the whole picture" here then, instead of  offering meaningless platitudes.  H >For those that think the initial IA64/OpenVMS servers may not be up theL >required level, they feel that the EV7 servers will give them a backup plan& >so they can move when they are ready.  G How many customers will view this as buying hardware with more built in  obsolesence than usual?   J If you haven't noticed, members of c.o.v. don't like humbug, no matter how sweet you say it is.     Doc. - --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----  Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBO1DO8sriC3SGiziTAQHlogf7BVqSBSthsC7Qneai142IMIMMcTTveAx3@ XPWP/C8MGTSeXRMt0P1PNizAK8aQq2JYNbk52zM7HWR59Cye4KVUqf7CQLU4qLEw@ KE7GV5U91gpTdDbmDXVxtQ5/sjnF8etElzyHQl1frmnaypaKR5zNsfFKeitzDFW6@ kyc3YVdOMRQBLy86UGwrb8Kf4tgKwtz+IJSPcd7RyRqEVM23kGKXpjmZDwB3Z7BD@ /H/zbRA3bM2ck2hWI7N4guV30m0QG60tK1h3Pit47E/VsluCMroB9H26T1HEYkE58 zZHDLQUksJRKhJ0OQq5eF+oVw7uaiGZbT25nIMK8VRa5sVRfbqTy0A== =VTY2  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:44:01 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> : Subject: RE: 3 Reasons why VMS is alive and probably well+R Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4AD7F08@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  K >>> "could" - but don't. And you wonder why your credibility is damaged.<<<   I If I discussed Customer names without their permission in a public forum, ' what would that do to my credibility ?    K Geez .. that it is one of the first rules of consulting - surely you do not  disagree with this ?  G I rather suspect you would not want anyone to discuss what your company ? strategies and futures were in a public forum like this either.   J Customer and ISV names like Cerner who have agreed to go public are in the presentation at:D http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/overview.html (see Customer presentation half way down)   J >>> Well, get someone to explain "the whole picture" here then, instead of" offering meaningless platitudes.<<  ( Have you reviewed the presentation yet??   Regards,    
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----; From: Doc.Cypher [mailto:Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]]  Sent: July 15, 2001 3:07 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com : Subject: RE: 3 Reasons why VMS is alive and probably well+    " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  A On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:  >Dave, >  >>>> Name one. <<< > : >I could name a number of the ones that I have talked to.   D "could" - but don't. And you wonder why your credibility is damaged.  J >As Fred pointed out, once the whole picture is explained then they (or atI >least the ones I have talked to) seem satisfied and in a few cases, even D >glad to hear OpenVMS is getting ported to what will likely become a >mainstream HW platform.    F Well, get someone to explain "the whole picture" here then, instead of  offering meaningless platitudes.  H >For those that think the initial IA64/OpenVMS servers may not be up theL >required level, they feel that the EV7 servers will give them a backup plan& >so they can move when they are ready.  G How many customers will view this as buying hardware with more built in  obsolesence than usual?   J If you haven't noticed, members of c.o.v. don't like humbug, no matter how sweet you say it is.     Doc. - --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----  Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBO1DO8sriC3SGiziTAQHlogf7BVqSBSthsC7Qneai142IMIMMcTTveAx3@ XPWP/C8MGTSeXRMt0P1PNizAK8aQq2JYNbk52zM7HWR59Cye4KVUqf7CQLU4qLEw@ KE7GV5U91gpTdDbmDXVxtQ5/sjnF8etElzyHQl1frmnaypaKR5zNsfFKeitzDFW6@ kyc3YVdOMRQBLy86UGwrb8Kf4tgKwtz+IJSPcd7RyRqEVM23kGKXpjmZDwB3Z7BD@ /H/zbRA3bM2ck2hWI7N4guV30m0QG60tK1h3Pit47E/VsluCMroB9H26T1HEYkE58 zZHDLQUksJRKhJ0OQq5eF+oVw7uaiGZbT25nIMK8VRa5sVRfbqTy0A== =VTY2  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:18:31 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>- Subject: Re: booting diskless satellite fails ( Message-ID: <9irmup$jep$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  > Firs of all IIRC B EZA0 should be sufficient. Provided you ran  @sys$manager:cluster_config.com,2 or, if it is present (depends on your VMS version)- @sys$manager:cluster_config_lan.com then your 0 most likely problem is a bad network connection.  3 So: what did you see when the satellite was booted?  It should be something like:   F...E...    2_...1...   ! or were there any question marks?   L Next post the output of the following command (issued on the cluster server) : MC LANCP SHOW NODE Below is a sample:   $ mc lancp sho node     Node Listing, volatile database:   (Catchall entry):    FLUOR (08-00-2B-13-C0-34):)   MOP DLL:  Load file:   (None specified) 2             Load root:   DISK$VAXVMSRL071:<SYS11.>&             Boot type:   VAX satellite   XENON (08-00-2B-07-7A-68):'   MOP DLL:  Load file:   NISCS_LOAD.EXE 2             Load root:   DISK$VAXVMSRL071:<SYS10.>&             Boot type:   VAX satellite $   I It can't be a license problem, because the cluster license does hardly do  any checks (if any ;-)  
 Hans Vlems            2 Brian Hechinger <wonko@arkham.ws> wrote in message0 news:20010714201942.L462@wintermute.arkham.ws...L > i don't have the VAXcluster manual, although i really wish i did, i'm sure itL > would help me a lot.  the VMS System Manager's Guide is waste of perfectly goodJ > trees unless you know what you are doing, more-so with the cluster stuff than, > anything else, but it has its limited use. > @ > anyway, enough ranting, let's get down to the problem at hand. > = > from a diskless VAX that i'm trying to boot into a cluster:  >  > Loading system software. > (BOOT/R5:0 EZA0) >  >   2..  > -EZA0 
 >   1..0.. >  > J > %VAXcluster-I-SYSLOAD, system loaded from node EARTH (AA-00-04-00-01-04) > 4 > %VAXcluster-W-NOCONN, No connection to disk server4 > %VAXcluster-W-NOCONN, No connection to disk server4 > %VAXcluster-W-NOCONN, No connection to disk server4 > %VAXcluster-W-NOCONN, No connection to disk server4 > %VAXcluster-W-NOCONN, No connection to disk server4 > %VAXcluster-W-NOCONN, No connection to disk server4 > %VAXcluster-W-NOCONN, No connection to disk server4 > %VAXcluster-W-NOCONN, No connection to disk server4 > %VAXcluster-W-NOCONN, No connection to disk server4 > %VAXcluster-W-NOCONN, No connection to disk serverF > %VAXcluster-F-CTRLERR, boot driver virtual circuit to SCSSYSTEM 0000 Failed > ?06 HLT INST >         PC = 00007391  > Restarting system software. 
 > Failure. > L > i looked this up on google and the ONLY thing i could find was a reference toC > check the CLUSTER_AUTHORIZATION.DAT file.  well, it's there, and:  > + > SYSMAN> CONFIG SHOW CLUSTER_AUTHORIZATION ' > Node EARTH:   Cluster group number: 1 & > Multicast address: AB-00-04-01-01-01 > K > hmmm, well, this is the boot server (SYSMAN being run on the bootserver). L > should there be an entry for the satellite in there??  if so, how does one > go about adding it?  >  > NCP>SHOW KNOWN NODES > 8 > Known Node Volatile Summary as of 14-JUL-2001 20:20:56 >  > Executor node = 1.1 (EARTH)  >  > State                    = on 7 > Identification           = DECnet-VAX V5.5,  VMS V5.5  > E >     Node           State      Active  Delay   Circuit     Next node % >                               Links @ >  1.2 (MARS)                                   ISA-0          0 > H > is there something i'm missing that would be easy if i had the cluster manual?  > 	 > thanks,  >  > -brian   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:42:36 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> - Subject: Re: booting diskless satellite fails ' Message-ID: <3B51D60C.597D7AFD@fsi.net>    Robert Deininger wrote:  > H > In article <20010714201942.L462@wintermute.arkham.ws>, Brian Hechinger > <wonko@arkham.ws> wrote: > Q > > i don't have the VAXcluster manual, although i really wish i did, i'm sure it D > > would help me a lot.  the VMS System Manager's Guide is waste of > perfectly goodQ > > trees unless you know what you are doing, more-so with the cluster stuff than . > > anything else, but it has its limited use. > R > Yes, the System Manager's Manual really wants you to read the clustering manual. > ' > Fortunately, it is available on-line:  > 2 >    http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/index.htmlA >    http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/4477/4477PRO.HTML   ? If the URLs with non-standard TCP ports don't work for you, try ' replacing ":8000" with "/doc", like so:   0     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/index.html?     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/4477/4477PRO.HTML    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  ( Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:37 +0100 (BST)- From: dmacdonald@cix.co.uk (Duncan Macdonald) & Subject: Compaq have committed suicideC Message-ID: <memo.20010715093725.43843A@dmacdonald.compulink.co.uk>   9 By dropping the Alpha in the manner that they did, Compaq < have shown that they are not committed to long term support " and development of their systems. 6 This is enough to persuade most companies looking for : enterprise systems (i.e. larger than basic NT boxes) that 4 they are not a company to be trusted with this role.< Compaq will shortly find themselves with a massive fall off < in orders for its VMS,Unix (and probably Tandem) systems as : companies look to suppliers considered more stable (IBM or- HP or SUN (despite their hardware problems)). = Soon Compaq will find themselves a PC only company again and  < they are already losing market share to Dell in this market.  < I will make a prediction that new releases of VMS will have < ceased by 2006 as Compaq will no longer have a market large + enough to support the VMS engineering team. 9 I do not like this as I have been working with VMS since  ' 1983 and I find it a very good system.     ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:37:46 GMT   From: news@knm.yi.org (M.London)2 Subject: DEC LP-25 Line Printer Power Board Wanted1 Message-ID: <9is9rp$c8l$1@uranium.btinternet.com>    Hi, B   I've got an LP-25 line printer here, and it would appear the the2 power board for it is dead (much to my annoyance).  C   It may also turn out to have a dead motor to drive the paper feed  too :&/   =   So what I'm looking for is either a new power board, or the A schematics for it, so I can have a go ast fixing it myself (DEC's C maintainance book doesn't help, it just says check the fuses, which 	 are fine)   D   I dunno if anyone on here can help, but if they could, I'd be most greatful :&)  !   I'm Manchester, UK area BTW :&)    --Matt   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:25:44 +0200 , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>J Subject: Re: Decnet IV vs. DECnet V (was: RE: Full port of VMS to Itanium)& Message-ID: <3B51A7E7.269808BF@gmx.ch>   Alphaman wrote:   ; > "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike."    echo echo   :-)   ( brings me back more than 17 years ago...  H About the NCP vs NCL issue and the "why is DECnet-Plus not so obvious to4 use than DECnet Phase IV?", the answer of course is:  + o  it has been produced by different people " o  it does MUCH more than phase IVG o  you definitively need to go for training on TCP/IP *and* DECnet-Plus # before being able to understand it.   6 As an example, try @sys$manager:net$configure advanced  < http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/6497/6497pro.HTML  A and, no, you will not get as an answer "You are going to commit a 6 despictable act" but rather "It's pitch dark, now" :-)   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:07:48 +0200 < From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de> Subject: Re: emacs4 Message-ID: <9is4jn$l2ajr$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>   Bob wrote...( >"john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote:K >>We had a programmer ask us to install EMACS on our Alpha 2100/ VMS 7.2-1.  ...  >This version works for me: 
 >"MicroEmacs" * >http://members.nbci.com/uemacs/index.html  G Having been reminded by this post of the web site of my favorite cross- ) plattform editor, I went and took a look. I Hey, there's a new (to me, at last - it seems to be from 1996 :-) version 	 4.00 out!   G After some fighting (mainly against "char* isn't compatible to unsigned B char*"), I managed to build it from source. For anyone interested:  * ftp://ftp.pdv-systeme.de/vms/ and in there5 ue400dev-vms.zip    the complete source distribution, >                     VMS and other parts tweaked by yours truly; ue400vms-vax.zip    the OpenVMS/VAX V6.2 image + data files > ue400vms-alp.zip    the OpenVMS/Alpha V6.2 binary + data files  H The images were built with SMG support. I've not yet re-incorporated theG ability to serve as a mail editor, or to use the suspend-emacs function % (that my 3.11 and 3.12 versions had).   J The archives don't include documentation; please get it from the web site.   cu,    Martin --  J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/? And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:06:26 -0400 - From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> E Subject: Re: Help =?iso-8859-1?Q?=96?= Get OpenVMS screen data by ASP - Message-ID: <3B51DBA2.47A3FF9C@bellsouth.net>   J It all depends on what you mean by "display" ,  If it is a non-interactiveL application (ie, run program displays stuff on screen) then it can be a veryG simple CGI program to do what you want.  WRQ and another program called ) SuperNova did this sort of thing as well.   ? What Web server are you running?  What database (or is it RMS)?u What version of OS?:  N My company has much experience in this type of  "web-enablement"  and we would& be very glad to discuss this with you.  J Yea, I know, a little blatant advertising, but when looking for work for 7" weeks, you get it where you can...   Michael Austin DBA/SYS/WEB Admin ConsultantN Oracle (Rdb and Classic), OpenVMS and most flavors of U**X along with multiple Web Servers.   yoav lerner wrote:  	 >  Hello,tL > I have a customer that has a COBOL application running on AlphaServer withE > OpenVMS operating system, which works well. The customer is  really J > satisfied from this system, but he wants to publish some screens of this > application by the web.x >rM > Does anyone know easy way to display OpenVMS screen data by the web?  Is it C > possible to access from ASP page (by the Vbscript) to the OpenVMSg7 > application get the data and show it by the ASP page?n
 >  Thanks, > Yoav.t   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2001 07:48:47 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)-2 Subject: Re: Help ? Get OpenVMS screen data by ASP= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0107150648.430ee549@posting.google.com>h  ] "yoav lerner" <yoav_lerner@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3b516625@news.bezeqint.net>...D > Hello,L > I have a customer that has a COBOL application running on AlphaServer withE > OpenVMS operating system, which works well. The customer is  really,J > satisfied from this system, but he wants to publish some screens of this > application by the web.u > M > Does anyone know easy way to display OpenVMS screen data by the web?  Is itnC > possible to access from ASP page (by the Vbscript) to the OpenVMS 7 > application get the data and show it by the ASP page? 
 >  Thanks, > Yoav.   I www.wrq.com have a product called "web integrator" (or something similar)  that should be worth a look" phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:44:44 +0200r- From: "yoav lerner" <yoav_lerner@hotmail.com>e. Subject: Help  Get OpenVMS screen data by ASP( Message-ID: <3b516625@news.bezeqint.net>    Hello,sJ I have a customer that has a COBOL application running on AlphaServer withC OpenVMS operating system, which works well. The customer is  reallyyH satisfied from this system, but he wants to publish some screens of this application by the web.o  K Does anyone know easy way to display OpenVMS screen data by the web?  Is itaA possible to access from ASP page (by the Vbscript) to the OpenVMSQ5 application get the data and show it by the ASP page?T  Thanks, Yoav.T   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2001 07:01:36 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)O2 Subject: Re: Help  Get OpenVMS screen data by ASP3 Message-ID: <p7yyhY6QUa7m@eisner.encompasserve.org>C  X In article <3b516625@news.bezeqint.net>, "yoav lerner" <yoav_lerner@hotmail.com> writes:  L > I have a customer that has a COBOL application running on AlphaServer withE > OpenVMS operating system, which works well. The customer is  really:J > satisfied from this system, but he wants to publish some screens of this > application by the web.@ >eM > Does anyone know easy way to display OpenVMS screen data by the web?  Is itcC > possible to access from ASP page (by the Vbscript) to the OpenVMSh7 > application get the data and show it by the ASP page?   I The DEC Document product has a screen capture feature.  Besides producing G Bookreader and Postscript, recent versions of DEC Document also producen/ HTML.  Be sure you are running the very latest.a  F The last I checked, DEC Document licenses can be purchased either fromG Compaq or from Touch Technologies.  If you get the binary from Condist,aD however, make sure it is up-to-date.  Those directly from Touch tendG to be more up-to-date.  The latest I have is V3.3, and it is definatelynF the area of HTML publishing where most of the current enhancements are being made.e  C I have found Touch Technologies subscription service to be somewhatrD erratic.  Not dishonest, just unorganized.  Some grapevine access isA required in order to be sure you get the subscription updates.  I-@ can't seem to find the DECUServe "Latest Software" conference on> the web, so I will bring that up for discussion.  Of course, I> do not remember ensuring DEC Document V3.3 was in there when I# got it, so I will work on that too.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:42:10 +0800w% From: "VMS Novice" <best@hotmail.com>  Subject: Idle processb0 Message-ID: <9irl0d$1en2@imsp212.netvigator.com>  I If I have a process running for a long time without any IO with the statet? LEF, how can I trace what resource is this process waiting for?a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:35:58 -0400a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Idle processWL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1507011036130001@user-2ive78q.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <9irl0d$1en2@imsp212.netvigator.com>, "VMS Novice"n <best@hotmail.com> wrote:s  K > If I have a process running for a long time without any IO with the stategA > LEF, how can I trace what resource is this process waiting for?o  7 A little background.  Sorry if you already know this...e  H LEF means "local event flag" wait.  That's the normal state of a processG waiting for most any kind of I/O to complete.  When the event flag gets  set, the process wakes up.  G So, for example, an interactive process waiting for the user to enter aP command will be in state LEF.2  H It is possible for a process to be waiting for more than 1 I/O at once. G There is a "wait until any of these event flags is set" system service,D for example.  J You can probably find what you need using ANALYZE/SYSTEM, but I don't knowE enough to track down an arbitrary bizzare I/O off the top of my head.l  I In a simple case, I have an interactive process waiting at the $ prompt.  I It's in state LEF.  If I do a SHOW PROCESS, I see that terminal VTA242 isa- allocated to this process.  In SDA, I can sayn   $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM SDA> show dev vta242P VTA242 ==> TNA261                              VT100               UCB: 813BCEC0  . Device status:   00010110 online,bsy,deleteucb1 Characteristics: 0C040007 rec,ccl,trm,avl,idv,odv                   00000200 nnm   P Owner UIC [000100,000026]   Operation count        740   ORB address    81190C00P       PID        001F001B   Error count              0   DDB address    81158FC0P Class/Type          42/60   Reference count          2   DDT address    82D86AB8P Def. buf. size         80   BOFF              00000180   CRB address    81159800P DEVDEPEND        320013B0   Byte count        00000100   IRP address    81037E80P DEVDEPND2        2902300C   SVAPTE            812D8D80   I/O wait queue 813BCF2C6 DEVDEPND3        00000000   DEVSTS            00000000 FLCK index             3A: DLCK address     82D3AA80t1                                 I/O request queue 1                                 -----------------   A STATE    IRP      PID   MODE CHAN  FUNC    WCB     EFN        ASTX IOSB        STATUS  P  C   81037E80  001F001B  E   0040  C000  00000000  29  FFFFFFFF.82DAE600  000000 00.7B12C0E0  8203s         nop bufio,func,termion      J ... and I see that there is indeed 1 I/O in the queue for that device, and2 it will set event flag (EFN) 29 when it completes.  F You can likely find some interesting info using SHOW PROCESS in SDA asG well.  But unless you make your question more specific, I'll just referh you to the SDA manual...   -- e Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2001 10:52:10 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)A9 Subject: Re: Poll: Move OpenVMS to IPF: Agree or Disagreey5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-tOrHdrtEofeN@localhost>A  1 On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:37:39, "Terry C. Shannon" e" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   > : > "Christopher Smith" <csmith@amdocs.com> wrote in messageH > news:3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1170DA15@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com... > >   > > > -----Original Message-----: > > > From: dont.respond@to.me [mailto:dont.respond@to.me] > >-& > > > So I'd like to ask the question: > >l> > > >   "Do you agree or disagree with moving OpenVMS to IPF?" > > L > > Disagree.  Not with porting in general, but specifically with porting to > > Itanic.l > L > Agree with the porting decision, disagree with the decision to immediately > decommit beyond Alpha EV7x.-   My sentiments entirely.u   -- u Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2001 13:53:04 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>9 Subject: Re: Poll: Move OpenVMS to IPF: Agree or Disagreeo5 Message-ID: <20010715135304.7402.qmail@nym.alias.net>'  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  ? On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, dont.respond@to.me (Warren Spencer) wrote:   9 >  "Do you agree or disagree with moving OpenVMS to IPF?"h   Agree.  K However... I now consider the Q management a bunch of cheap hitmen who werefG only too happy to take Intel's thirty pieces of silver to murder Alpha.      Doc. - -- O6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----t Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBO1DO8sriC3SGiziTAQFWzwf6A+CV3G/N95ISMPmU92gPgTDY9Ltwrw4a@ hgG9kJ2OHnyb0FKeG060lKoiXn6khhwbGM2BaGIngKczwJTCJz39PJkTbuO1ncus@ jVMcro1BD2+6rk4cOpWRxK/gGWzijMtq624R1QG/5hWyjr3SA6ozSd9KkmFGebTw@ WxLUYrvzZvhTq4EqSr4MmiefV6bZrcFvKldYopojcKfgSG9Ta4xOpE1HwPDcaKEu@ IQVJXSuXs2jIBgX1v2RJwsldbEIIl1pk9ZhdowjHEHbEjTzbcUSXKscThFaol0aX8 X9cxSf6EA2msbBbD6A2NFQLgk+ZxBvJO1mKOVaQlnEkrBcjCSw6rNA== =ty8Q- -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----0   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:29:49 -0400j2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: RA7x series disksL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1507011229490001@user-2ivea94.dialup.mindspring.com>  
 In articleF <Pine.LNX.4.10.10107140939500.15523-100000@triangle.cs.uofs.edu>, Bill$ Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:  F > Does anyone have any RA7x (RA70, RA71, RA72 or even RA73) disks theyG > are wanting to get rid of??  I have recently received a VAX-3500 witheE > a KDA50 and one dead RA70 in it.  I would like to revive it without  > hangin it on an RA80.   J I have a dead (head-crashed) RA7x drive you could have.  You might be ableH to get some useful parts off of it.  If your drive has good innards, butE bad electronics, you might be able to make one work by combining two.0   > Any offers gladly accepted.f  G Heavy beasties.  You'd have to pay the postage.  I expect you'll find a:( working drive for less money and hassle.   -- e Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comw   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2001 06:58:56 -0700 From: janicmx@yahoo.com (Mike)* Subject: TCPIP 5.0A , ECO 3  - FTP problem= Message-ID: <31886a6f.0107150558.3a9f1c44@posting.google.com>/  > Since we upgraded VMS from 7.1 to 7.2-1   and UCX 4.2 to TCPIPF 5.0A-113 (i.e. ECO3) other servers (VMS 7.1   and  WIndows NT) can not
 FTP to us.  > It just displays the first line and never goes beyond that !?\  
 ANy help ?  	 TIA, Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:41:32 +0100u From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>m( Subject: Re: UK hobbyist machine sources) Message-ID: <3B51573C.E738615C@Omond.net>g   Simon Clubley wrote:  J > He certainly did. :-) I see postings here all the time from US residentsH > that they have just been given an Alpha or just picked one up for someG > very small US$ value. However, I never see postings from UK residentse > saying the same thing. > J > So where do my fellow Brits end up getting hobbyist Alpha's from and how > much are you paying ?  >sK > [I happened to just be in the right place at the right time when I got myrK > current Alpha, which had been stripped and I built up with disks/memory.]i  J Take note:  I will soon (i.e. when I can get the time to "polish" them up)< have a few Alpha 3000-600, 128 Mbytes, RZ26, VMS 7.3 systemsC setup for hobbyists.   Maybe a couple of Multias as well.  Oh yeah, M maybe a Macintosh IIci and a Mac IIvx (plus an original Mac II for free ! :-)a  I If you're interested, get in touch with me. I'm in the UK, 10 miles southe
 of Cambridge.   	 Roy Omondh Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:41:48 GMT-  From: news@knm.yi.org (M.London) Subject: VMS Docset Wanted1 Message-ID: <9isa3a$c8l$2@uranium.btinternet.com>C   Hi,LF   I'm looking for a DocSet for VMS 5.3/5.4, yes I do know that the VMSC 7.x docs are on the net, but I just like having something on paper,lC and I now have two VAXen running 5.3/5.4, and it'd be kinda nice to  have the docs for that :&)  C   I'm Manchester, UK and would be happy to collect from someone, sooB long as it's not going to take a day to drive there and back, or I3 could arrange shipping from somewhere in the UK :&)a  D   I'm not too fussed about the version, VMS 5 would be nice, but I'dF just like something on paper - it's so much easier when you don't have  a fast permenant net connection.   --Matt   ------------------------------  , Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:51:35 +0200 (CEST)- From: Freddy Meerwaldt <frederik@freddym.org>r" Subject: Volume Shadowing QuestionJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107151545250.4386-100000@firewall.freddym.org>  	 Hi there!c  J Sorry about that much questions - but (even as an experienced VMS User), I) keep on having strange problems with VMS.   C I've got a 6-Disc SCSI Array connected to my AlphaServer 400 4/233.h# But I've got the following Problem:s  H I've created a Shadowset of a 2GB Disc mirrored onto another 2GB Disc of the same type.J But the Alpha just won't shadow the discs. A "$ sho dev d" always says: 0%
 completed. That _is_ crazy, isn't it?H Now something even more crazy: As soon as I boot a VAX in the cluster it6 starts shadowing the disc immediately (over ethernet).   Technical Data:4H Alpha: AlphaServer 400 4/233, 160 MB RAM, OpenVMS 7.2-1, VOLSHAD License
 (hobbyist)@ VAX: VAXstation 4000/60, 24 MB RAM, OpenVMS 7.3, VOLSHAD License (hobbyist).-  C Other question: Does someone (preferably in Germany) have a OpenVMSlH 7.3/alpha CD he/she can burn for me? Please contact me off-list. Thanks!   Many thanks in advance,n 	Freddys --  N Geek Code 3.1: GCS s+: a--- C+++ UBOU+++ P-- E--- W++ N w--- V++ PGP- t? 5? tv  J ==========================================================================>  Frederik Meerwaldt           Homepage: http://www.freddym.orgC  Bavaria/Germany              OpenVMS and Unix Howtos and much moreaI  Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, NetBSD, OpenBSD, IRIX, Tru64, OpenVMS, Ultrix, BeOSn   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:23:24 -0400f- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>c& Subject: Re: Volume Shadowing Question- Message-ID: <3B51C37C.3F78DA54@bellsouth.net>e  R what is your allocation class it must be non-zero.  If it is 0 then the disk names will be <node$dxxxx>   ($sysman param show alloc)   Michael Austin DBA Consultant   Freddy Meerwaldt wrote:M   > Hi there!e >dL > Sorry about that much questions - but (even as an experienced VMS User), I+ > keep on having strange problems with VMS.n >yE > I've got a 6-Disc SCSI Array connected to my AlphaServer 400 4/233.e% > But I've got the following Problem:  > J > I've created a Shadowset of a 2GB Disc mirrored onto another 2GB Disc of > the same type.L > But the Alpha just won't shadow the discs. A "$ sho dev d" always says: 0% > completed. > That _is_ crazy, isn't it?J > Now something even more crazy: As soon as I boot a VAX in the cluster it8 > starts shadowing the disc immediately (over ethernet). >  > Technical Data:aJ > Alpha: AlphaServer 400 4/233, 160 MB RAM, OpenVMS 7.2-1, VOLSHAD License > (hobbyist)B > VAX: VAXstation 4000/60, 24 MB RAM, OpenVMS 7.3, VOLSHAD License
 > (hobbyist).- >9E > Other question: Does someone (preferably in Germany) have a OpenVMSFJ > 7.3/alpha CD he/she can burn for me? Please contact me off-list. Thanks! >a > Many thanks in advance,o >         Freddy > --P > Geek Code 3.1: GCS s+: a--- C+++ UBOU+++ P-- E--- W++ N w--- V++ PGP- t? 5? tv >WL > ==========================================================================@ >  Frederik Meerwaldt           Homepage: http://www.freddym.orgE >  Bavaria/Germany              OpenVMS and Unix Howtos and much more K >  Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, NetBSD, OpenBSD, IRIX, Tru64, OpenVMS, Ultrix, BeOS,   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:26:47 -0400k2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)& Subject: Re: Volume Shadowing QuestionL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1507011226470001@user-2ivea94.dialup.mindspring.com>  J In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107151545250.4386-100000@firewall.freddym.org>,. Freddy Meerwaldt <frederik@freddym.org> wrote:   > Hi there!t > L > Sorry about that much questions - but (even as an experienced VMS User), I+ > keep on having strange problems with VMS.p > E > I've got a 6-Disc SCSI Array connected to my AlphaServer 400 4/233.s% > But I've got the following Problem:b > J > I've created a Shadowset of a 2GB Disc mirrored onto another 2GB Disc of > the same type.L > But the Alpha just won't shadow the discs. A "$ sho dev d" always says: 0% > completed. > That _is_ crazy, isn't it?  & Any operator messages about shadowing?  E How are the shadowing-related system parameters set on the alpha?  In4I particular, what is SHADOW_MAX_COPY?  If it is 0, I guess the alpha wouldtE just wait for some other node to do the copy operation. That would beaG consistent with the "0% completed" message.  Does show dev d say that an copy is in progress?    J > Now something even more crazy: As soon as I boot a VAX in the cluster it8 > starts shadowing the disc immediately (over ethernet).  @ It is common to set shadow_max_copy to 0 on nodes without directI connections to any shadow sets.  It's almost always better to make this apJ local operation.  (Except in your case, where the local node seems to have a problem.)    >  > Technical Data:aJ > Alpha: AlphaServer 400 4/233, 160 MB RAM, OpenVMS 7.2-1, VOLSHAD License > (hobbyist)  E There are a number of shadowing-related patches for 7.2-1, and/or the48 latest UPDATE ECO that combines many individual patches.   -- : Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comg   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:53:35 GMTs! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>h" Subject: whats happening with vms?8 Message-ID: <rhb3ltcjsd9oove0traci78uqrnvrh7bhn@4ax.com>  7 whats the latest version? or is there one due out soon?h0 i think i have 7.1 and have heard 7.2 for years. whats happening?   BV   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:44:59 -0400e2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)& Subject: Re: whats happening with vms?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1507011045150001@user-2ive78q.dialup.mindspring.com>  A In article <rhb3ltcjsd9oove0traci78uqrnvrh7bhn@4ax.com>, Beyonder: <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote:e  9 > whats the latest version? or is there one due out soon?e2 > i think i have 7.1 and have heard 7.2 for years. > whats happening?    J Get a fresh version of the OpenVMS FAQ.  It likely answers this.  Start at    www.openvms.compaq.com   G OpenVMS version 7.3 shipped for Alpha and Vax within the last couple ofaH months.  Before that, 7.2-1 was current on Alpha, and 7.2 was current on Vax.   -- y Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:45:13 -0400 ' From: Brian Hechinger <wonko@arkham.ws>hG Subject: [MAILER-DAEMON@arkham.ws: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]u7 Message-ID: <20010715134513.B1574@wintermute.arkham.ws>c  , It is believed that Robert Deininger stated:  R > Yes, the System Manager's Manual really wants you to read the clustering manual.' > Fortunately, it is available on-line:a1 >   http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/index.htmlc@ >   http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/4477/4477PRO.HTML  7 excellent.  this should help out tremendously.  thanks!   I > First, please tell us the OS version, the system name of the boot node,o? > and the system name of the intended satellite.  Just in case.n  N sorry about that.  5.5-2, EARTH (DECnet 1.1) is boot, and MARS (DECnet 1.2) is the satellite.  K >> %VAXcluster-I-SYSLOAD, system loaded from node EARTH (AA-00-04-00-01-04)uL > Ok, the satellite broadcast a request for an initial system load, and node > EARTH responded.  L so the network is funtioning enough for this part to happen, which is a good sign.e  5 >> %VAXcluster-W-NOCONN, No connection to disk server   L > Now the satellite can't access the server that's attached to the disk thatA > it thinks it should use.  This could well be a network problem.u  L well, EARTH is also it's disk server, and there could very well be somethingL wrong with my DECnet setup (i don't really have a way to test it that i knowN of since currently EARTH is the only DECnet machine i have) but i can validateF that the physical network works fine since i'm running TCP/IP over it.  K > Or, if you've done something strange, you node EARTH might be sending thenL > initial load, but instructing the satellite to boot from some oddball disk > that isn't available.r  
 hmmmmmmmm.  K > If you ran cluster_config.com (or cluster_config_lan.com (see, you reallytJ > should tell us the VMS version)) and chose the "Add a satellite" option,K > your boot server should be doing the "normal" simple thing.  That is, the K > satellite should be booting from a different root on the same system diskpI > the boot server uses.  If you didn't run cluster_config, well, anythingg > could happen.o  O i ran cluster_config and setup everything to be on the system disk of EARTH (sonL cluster_config created [.sys10] on my system disk.  so it should be pointing there.  B > CLUSTER_AUTHORIZATION.DAT isn't (normally) involved in booting aF > satellite.  It's mainly for security, to prevent unwanted nodes fromG > joining a cluster.  A satellite has to have a known hardware ethernetn: > address, so there is no need for separate authorization.  N so as long as a node shows up in NCP it's known?  or is there something else i need to do to get it known?S  5 > Yes, there should be a MOP entry for the satellite.s  % i'll have to look up how to add that.M  K > Yes, you are clearly missing something.  I don't see the solution off the F > top of my head, since I've been using LAN (not DECnet) for MOP boots1 > lately, and the details are somewhat different.d  N ok, let me dig through those online manual pages you pointed me at, maybe i'll- run across something, thanks for everything!!    -brian  K ps: i've heard it rumored that the DSSI bus on the VAX 4000 machines can be @ used to cluster machines together, anyone have any info on this?   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.390 ************************