1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 01 Jun 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 301       Contents:& Re: Alphaserver 300 and OpenVMS V7.2-1& Re: Alphaserver 300 and OpenVMS V7.2-1: Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access: Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access Any DECforms users out there? $ Re: Anyone know what happened to OMI$ Re: Anyone know what happened to OMI Re: Backup to CD?  Re: Backup to CD?  Re: Backup to CD?  Re: Backup to CD? 4 Re: Cancelled Mount Verification: now can't see disk Re: CD-RW on a VMS system. Re: disk benchmarking 4 Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)8 Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)8 Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)8 Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)8 RE: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)8 Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)8 Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)& Re: HELP: OpenVMS Newbie needs help!!!& Re: HELP: OpenVMS Newbie needs help!!!& Re: HELP: OpenVMS Newbie needs help!!!; Re: Hobbyist Licenses - was Re: Affordable VMS Workstations < How do I make DECwindows see the Gloria Synergy on my DS20E?@ Re: How do I make DECwindows see the Gloria Synergy on my DS20E?P Re: HOW to config and start decnet.  was( Can't SET HOST to cluster memberADDENDP Re: HOW to config and start decnet.  was( Can't SET HOST to clustermemberADDENDU InfoServer 1000 Power Supply Re: IRCD for VMS Re: Login/Logout ProblemG Mozilla 0.9 - Command procedure used as CGI is displayed, not executed. K Re: Mozilla 0.9 - Command procedure used as CGI is displayed, not executed. J RE: Mozilla 0.9 - Command procedure used as CGI is displayed,not	executed.( Re: Need some information on VMS and VAX/ Re: Need VAX maintenance documentation urgently / Re: Need VAX maintenance documentation urgently / Re: Need VAX maintenance documentation urgently , OpenVMS VAX V7.2, DECnet-plus and DNVOSIECO30 Re: OpenVMS VAX V7.2, DECnet-plus and DNVOSIECO30 Re: OpenVMS VAX V7.2, DECnet-plus and DNVOSIECO30 Oracle Message libraries on VMS - how to install/ Pathworks V5.0F ECO2+W2Kpatch  W2K+SP2 problems  Re: PCSI and Account creation.& Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?& Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?& Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?& Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?& Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?& Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone? Re: Rambus loses another one6 Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression options6 Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression options Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS $ Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :($ Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :($ Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :($ Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :($ Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :($ Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :($ Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :( Re: vms Emulation on NT  Re: VMS mail problem Re: VMS Musings  Re: VMS Musings  Re: What does READ/NEW do ? B Re: Will OpenVMS 6.2 support 18 & 36GB disks (slightly crooksided)B Re: Will OpenVMS 6.2 support 18 & 36GB disks (slightly crooksided) Re: Writing a MAIL script ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:32:46 -0400 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> / Subject: Re: Alphaserver 300 and OpenVMS V7.2-1 2 Message-ID: <m7wR6.893$fi2.24344@news.cpqcorp.net>  K Hmmm.  Edit SYS$CONFIG.DAT and make sure that there is nothing in there for I the Mach64.  Remove it if there is.  The debug -1 should cause a bunch of % stuff to print on the serial console. G You might also set WSMAX to something small, to see if maybe there is a  fluid page count problem.       ' The ISA card wants a 8mb address window   # J. Scott Greig wrote in message ...  > A >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message - >news:EQQQ6.800$fi2.20419@news.cpqcorp.net... J >> 1) I assume you have an ISA config setting with ISA--VGA as the handle. >        Correct.  >>A >> 2) I assume that this system booted V6.2 WITH THE IDENTICAL HW  >CONFIGURATIONK >        Not quite. The original system had only 64 MB memory.  When one of  >the banks "broke", F >        field service replaced the 32MB bank with a 128MB bank, hence 160MB.	 >However, K >        apart from the memory diffference, V6.2 and V7.1 (with all the Y2K  >patches)  ran on this! >        identical configuration.  >>L >> 3) The 1.6GB of memory seems quite a bit for this little system - is that8 >> much supported on it?  Was it in the machine on V6.2? >        See above.  >>6 >> 5) I assume you have **NO** ISA configuration file. >       Correct  >>J >> 6) Edit the file DECW$AUTOCONFIG.DAT and add something at the top like: >>
 >> DEBUG = -1  >>D >> (at least I think that's the syntax)  and boot the system from an
 >alternate  >> console and see what you get. > @ >    I editted (created) DECW$USER_AUTOCONFIG.DAT with DEBUG=-1,H >    and experienced no differences - i.e. the DECWindows server processK >    hangs (or more precisely, probably) loops (status= COM) at priority 6.  > I >    I believe that something is "missing" in the configuration step i.e.  >when I J >    boot minimum using the graphics console, I can log in at the graphicsG >    console.  When I do SYSMAN> IO AUTO, the console "hangs" (i.e. see 0 >    the original note about the top line &etc.) > J >    Certainly, if something is wrong during configuration, I would expect2 >    problems with DECWindows attempting to start. >  >    Any other thoughts? > 
 >    Scott >>& >> J. Scott Greig wrote in message ... >> >C >> >"Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 0 >> >news:w%xO6.609$fi2.15159@news.cpqcorp.net...F >> >> In article <OhvO6.75$Mb7.10326@brie.direct.ca>, "J. Scott Greig"! >> ><jsgreig@geminaq.com> writes:  >> >> J >> >> :When attempting to install VMS V7.2-1 on an Alphaserver 300 (4/266)F >> >> :the system "hangs" while configuring the graphics adapter.  The >adapter* >> >> :in question is an ATI MACH64 (ISA). >> >> F >> >>   The ISA version?  AFAIK, that widget was comparatively rare on	 >OpenVMS. L >> >>   AFAIK, you can have only one of these ISA widgets installed, and you >> >needL >> >>   to be very careful about ISA physical address assignment collisions. >> >G >> >I don't think that there is an addressing conflict- the same system  >worked  >> >fine under< >> >prior versions of VMS (6.2 and 7.1 with all Y2K patches) >> > >> >> E >> >> :The 7.2-1 CD-ROM will boot when using a serial console, and so H >> >> :VMS can get installed, but attempting to boot the newly installedF >> >> :software (as yet, unconfigured for DECnet, TCP/IP &etc.), usingG >> >> :the graphics console, and logging into the system using a serial . >> >> :port, DECwindows server process is COM. >> >> K >> >>   Boot off the serial console, install any available DECwindows Motif  >ECOK >> >>   kit (availability is dependant on which version of DECwindows Motif  >youL >> >>   have), and install the OpenVMS ECO kits (all mandatory kits, and theL >> >>   GRAPHICS kit), and check the DECW*.LOG files, and make sure you have* >> >>   enough physical memory configured. >> >J >> >Done.  The graphics terminal hangs during the configuration portion of >> >startup.J >> >That is: after loading the bootstrap image, we get the startup herald, >then 	 >> >after I >> >the network device is configured (EWA0 in this case), when the screen  >> >normallyJ >> >"changes modes" (?), instead of the normal "console" screen, the first
 >> >three-H >> >quarters of the top line on the monitor switch from white letters on blueF >> >background to red letters on a black background.  After this, whenJ >> >DECWindows tries to start up, the server process DECW$SERVER_0 "hangs"G >> >(state is COM), and the monitor, keyboard and mouse do not respond.  >> >I >> >Crashing the server process yields nothing but empty DECW*.LOG files. C >> >The system has 160MB of memory (don't ask how that happened :))  >> >F >> >Is it possible that this ISA device is no-longer supported, or, at least, >> >was G >> >missed during the 7.2 release? (note: 7.1 CD boots, neither 7.2 nor  7.2-1  >> >can) >> >= >> >Or, can someone give me a work-around (like something for  >> >SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT)?? >> > >> >Regards,	 >> >Scott  >> > >> >> , >> >>  ---------------------------- #include+ >> ><rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- 9 >> >>       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --  >> www.openvms.compaq.com 0 >> >>  --------------------------- pure personal' >> >opinion --------------------------- 5 >> >>    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  >> >hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >> >>  >> > >> > >> >> >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:36:49 -0400 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> / Subject: Re: Alphaserver 300 and OpenVMS V7.2-1 2 Message-ID: <jbwR6.894$fi2.24425@news.cpqcorp.net>  J Yuck.  Tell me which driver got loaded.  The name should be ISA--VGA.  You should have 9 SYS$GQDDRIVER -- that isn't a misstype - DD after the GQ.   , Type the contents of DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG   _Fred   # J. Scott Greig wrote in message ...  > . >"John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message1 >news:1010530141033.52578B-100000@Ives.egh.com... - >> On Wed, 30 May 2001, J. Scott Greig wrote:  >> >> >E >> > > 2) I assume that this system booted V6.2 WITH THE IDENTICAL HW  >> > CONFIGURATIONL >> >         Not quite. The original system had only 64 MB memory.  When one >of  >> > the banks "broke", J >> >         field service replaced the 32MB bank with a 128MB bank, hence >160MB. 
 >> > However, K >> >         apart from the memory diffference, V6.2 and V7.1 (with all the  >Y2K >> > patches)  ran on this% >> >         identical configuration.  >>0 >> Did you run AUTOGEN after the memory upgrade? > 	 >    Yup.  > = >    I have since done the following (at the console prompt):  > L >    >>> isacfg -init     (This effectively removes the grahics adapter from; >                                    the ISA configuration) 
 >    >>> init  > 4 >    Normally, I would have issued the >>>add_mach64? >    command here.  But instead, I ran >>>iconfig, and MANUALLY 5 >    entered the device name of ISA--CFG and Enable=Y  >  >    >>>initH >    >>>isacfg -all  Now shows the ISA--CFG device as ISA slot 1, deviceI >                            number 0.  The >>>add_mach64 command made it  >slot 5 - >                            device number 0.  >  >    >>>boot > J >    Now, when the system boots, the "normal" console screen appears (i.e. >theL >    smaller white on blue character screen), and when DECWindows starts up,K >    I get the Grey screen, with then DECWindows black arrow mouse pointer, B >    but no welcome screen!  At last, some progress has been made. > - >    Any DECWindows guys want to add to this?  >  >Scott >>L >> BTW, I had a problem with AUTOGEN getting automatically run to boost someI >> parameters for DECWindows but failing to actually change them, causing C >> and infinite loop of boot - offer to run autogen - run autogen - G >> change nothing - boot ...  Broke the loop by refusing to run autogen @ >> (DECWindows didn't start), put some "MIN_xxx" or "ADD_xxx" inI >> modparams.dat, ran autogen and rebooted.  This was on a pair of ES40's H >> last summer.  I think a later ECO fixed is supposed to fix it so thatH >> the automatic autogen actually boosts the necessary parameters, whichG >> are mentioned in the message that says "not enough free xxx's to run K >> DECWindows - run AUTOGEN?", so figuring out what to add to modparams.dat  >> wasn't rocket science.  >> >> --  >> John Santos >> Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.  >> 781-861-0670 ext 539  >> >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 01:37:45 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>C Subject: Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access * Message-ID: <3B16E3D9.EC76E13D@uk.sun.com>   Jim Agnew wrote: > M > like a mob hit man????   Like the studios kept Moe on as a errand boy after A > the three stooges were laid off, and before their movies??  ;-)  > $ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > K > > If he stays around, it'll be close to proof he's officially sanctioned.  > > 	 > > Shane  > > = > > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> on 05/30/2001 07:04:50 AM  > > 5 > > Please respond to Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  > >  > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > > cc:  > > D > > Subject:  Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access > >  > > According to The Register:I > > >Sun Microsystems has told it employees NOT to use the Internet in an I > > effort to shave a few dollars off its phone bill and thereby make its % > > annual results look a bit better.  > > >  > > 7 Though the Register is normally 100 % accurate :):):):) 9 in this case any announcment that they have has not been  9 communicated to people working for Sun. I of course wait  < for the Registers advertising staff to contact me to inform = me of the "new Sun policy" but in the mean time don't assume  ; that OpenVMS marketing B***S**T will get any less than the  7 normal scrutiny. The usual culprits as always will get   what they deserve.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:03:07 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com C Subject: Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access D Message-ID: <OF7390E941.BCCF7FE5-ON88256A5E.000581F8@foundation.com>  K The Reg already printed a retraction. Apparently yes it is policy, but it's E not cost cutting. Every year they try to clear some bandwidth for the $ duration of a regular traffic spike.  J Incidentally, didn't I hear Sun just reduced their Q4 earnings estimate byH a significant amount? I didn't catch the whole story on the news, so I'mG not going to comment without proper data to base it on. I wonder if you . could enlighten us with the official Sun line?   Shane           D andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 05/31/2001 05:37:45 PM  < Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   D Subject:  Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access       Jim Agnew wrote: > G > like a mob hit man????   Like the studios kept Moe on as a errand boy  after A > the three stooges were laid off, and before their movies??  ;-)  > $ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > K > > If he stays around, it'll be close to proof he's officially sanctioned.  > > 	 > > Shane  > > = > > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> on 05/30/2001 07:04:50 AM  > > 5 > > Please respond to Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  > >  > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > > cc:  > > D > > Subject:  Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access > >  > > According to The Register:I > > >Sun Microsystems has told it employees NOT to use the Internet in an I > > effort to shave a few dollars off its phone bill and thereby make its % > > annual results look a bit better.  > > >  > > 7 Though the Register is normally 100 % accurate :):):):) 8 in this case any announcment that they have has not been8 communicated to people working for Sun. I of course wait; for the Registers advertising staff to contact me to inform < me of the "new Sun policy" but in the mean time don't assume: that OpenVMS marketing B***S**T will get any less than the6 normal scrutiny. The usual culprits as always will get what they deserve.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:01:19 +0800 4 From: Dave Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>& Subject: Any DECforms users out there?+ Message-ID: <3B17057F.BBB8484F@bigpond.com>   	 Hi Folks,   G Is there anyone out there that is currently using DECforms within their @ application development or using applications based on DECforms?H We currently have a homegrown "forms" based application and are thinking3 about migrating to DECforms (if not too much work). I I would like to get an idea of things like resource usage and development  difficulty etc.wG I am located in Australia and have been told by the local Compaq peopletD that there is no-one in the country that is using DECforms...  I wasI hoping for a reference site to get some unbiased comments on the product.e   Regards, Dave.e --I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/)I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmSI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon:   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:15:24 -0500V0 From: Patrick Spinler <spinler.patrick@mayo.edu>- Subject: Re: Anyone know what happened to OMI:( Message-ID: <3B16A65C.B84AD1E1@mayo.edu>   Michiel Erens wrote: > # > jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil wrote:  > > G > > > Your link forwards me to http://software.oveas.net/omi/ where youVG > > > can find version 2.0 . But it looks like they have a dns problem,S/ > > > because I only got it after a second try.  > >g& > > Please post the actual ip address. > ( > This is what I get with a DNS lookup : >  > Host name: software.oveas.netr > IP address: 208.230.134.96 > Alias(es): NoneD >  > -- > ME  G Nope - no such luck.  The straight IP address takes me to the home page F of the web hosting company he appears to be using (www.adgrafix.com). H Trying the ip number plus /omi forces a name lookup for oveas.net again, apparently via a web redirect.  7 They do indeed appear to have a problem with their DNS.t  / Thanks to H. Goatley for the link to a mirror, n   -- Pat   --  ?       This message does not represent the policies or positionsi1 	     of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidiaries. 3   Patrick Spinler			email:	Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDUn'   Mayo Foundation			phone:	507/284-94857   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 23:09:13 +0200sB From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>- Subject: Re: Anyone know what happened to OMIV7 Message-ID: <3B16B2F9.459A@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>u   Patrick Spinler wrote: >  > Michiel Erens wrote: > >e( > > > Please post the actual ip address. > >y! > > Host name: software.oveas.netS > > IP address: 208.230.134.96 > > Alias(es): NoneM > >cD > Nope - no such luck.  The straight IP address takes me to the home9 > page of the web hosting company he appears to be using eD > (www.adgrafix.com).  Trying the ip number plus /omi forces a name < > lookup for oveas.net again, apparently via a web redirect. > 9 > They do indeed appear to have a problem with their DNS.i  " The DNS record expired Mar 28 (?).  0 > Thanks to H. Goatley for the link to a mirror,  E That version is much older (1.0 vs 2.0). If you want, I can sent you a7 the Zipfile from the oveas.net site. It is only 117 kb.d   -- D ME   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:02:09 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>l Subject: Re: Backup to CD?) Message-ID: <3B167911.CF3A5F3F@bbc.co.uk>o   Robert Deininger wrote:]  J > In article <3B150D94.C3F337EB@bbc.co.uk>, tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk wrote: >e >O > >rR > > A DLT library would be a considerable luxury for me. Something that works withL > > a raw drive and doesn't involve me doing the calculations would be best. >  > Well, this isn't easy... > H > The manual for the DLT 4000 lists all the SCSI commands for the drive.: > IIRC, there's a query to find out the compression ratio. >.J > There's a way to send raw SCSI commands to a device, but I've never doneL > it.  Someone with experience in this area could probably do it in no time. >a  K Probably a $QIO of some description. Let me see if I can find a TZ88 manual 	 anywhere.m   >tL > There's also a "load tape" command, and someday I'll get around to writing: > a little program that will ask a drive to load the tape. >   L You mean when the green light on you can load the btape without flipping the handle?$   regardse --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukT  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:36:29 GMT22 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Backup to CD?2 Message-ID: <13xR6.900$fi2.24688@news.cpqcorp.net>  Y In article <3B167911.CF3A5F3F@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:m :u :Robert Deininger wrote: :tK :> There's a way to send raw SCSI commands to a device, but I've never done M :> it.  Someone with experience in this area could probably do it in no time.  : & :Probably a $QIO of some description.   G   IO$_DIAGNOSE and/or GKDRIVER.  Check the I/O User's Reference Manual.>    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:59:58 -0400r2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Backup to CD?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3105012259580001@user-2ive7ok.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <3B167911.CF3A5F3F@bbc.co.uk>, tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk wrote:   > Robert Deininger wrote:   N > > There's also a "load tape" command, and someday I'll get around to writing< > > a little program that will ask a drive to load the tape. > >J > N > You mean when the green light on you can load the btape without flipping the	 > handle?o  G Yup.  The manual leads me to believe you can load via software, and notaF flip the handle.  Never tried it, since I've not had time to write theH software.  It would be very nice when the tape drive is a building (or a state) away.   -- r Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 23:01:33 -0400A2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Backup to CD?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3105012301340001@user-2ive7ok.dialup.mindspring.com>  2 In article <13xR6.900$fi2.24688@news.cpqcorp.net>,$ hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:  9 > In article <3B167911.CF3A5F3F@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyni! <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:s > :  > :Robert Deininger wrote: > :rM > :> There's a way to send raw SCSI commands to a device, but I've never doneeO > :> it.  Someone with experience in this area could probably do it in no time.i > :l( > :Probably a $QIO of some description.  > I >   IO$_DIAGNOSE and/or GKDRIVER.  Check the I/O User's Reference Manual.> >   J Thanks.  That sounds familiar; I knew I'd bumped into the technique in theE past.  As soon as I get a Round Tuit.  There seems to be a world-widea% shortage of Round Tuits these days...d   -- i Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coma   ------------------------------   Date: 31 May 2001 18:22:38 GMT& From: lee.webb@colossus.com (Lee Webb)= Subject: Re: Cancelled Mount Verification: now can't see diskG2 Message-ID: <slrn9hd32b.159.lee.webb@colossus.com>  9 On Tue, 29 May 2001 15:37:10 +0100, Richard Brodie wrote:l > 5 > "Lee Webb" <lee.webb@mailcity.com> wrote in message>9 > news:40784545.0105290605.40e41519@posting.google.com...a > C >> Thus, taking into account my "newbie status" of VAX systems, canW9 >> anyone shed any light as to how to get the drive back?g > A > Mount verification is the way VMS rides over transient hardwarehB > faults: spun down wrong disk, server gone away. All the symptoms6 > you describe are consistent with a hardware failure. > C > So, you want to check all the normal things: power, SCSI cabling,eI > ids, termination etc. Trawl back through the error logs to see if thereyE > is any prior history. If possible, take the machine down to console 5 > mode and look at the devices from there. Good luck!t >  >  You're going to love this...   It was the power cable!!!>G I'm a bit annoyed that I didn't notice it, nor check it, the first time,F around: I checked all OTHER cables but did not think to actually try aE different power cable (as opposed to simply taking it out and puttingkC it back in). Even systematically disconnected each device to try toeH eliminate faulty hardware. Had another look today with an engineer, and @ the first thing he did was to move the unit and power it up on a different cable.  H So, many thanks to everyone who replied and I'll try not to make a pratt of myself next time :-)n   Cheers,n Lee.   ------------------------------   Date: 31 May 2001 19:45 CDTn' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)d# Subject: Re: CD-RW on a VMS system. - Message-ID: <31MAY200119454097@gerg.tamu.edu>   ? "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> writes...gL }This is an update of something I posted a couple of months ago. I shouldn'tH }really complain about freeware I suppose but trying to find information@ }about writing to a CD-RW from VMS has basically been confusing,9 }contradictary and a litany of busted websites and links.   ? I agree that it is not explained nearly as well as it could be.G  = }System: VAXstation 4000/60 with OpenVMS 6.2 and Y2K patches.t& }CDRECORD: 1.8a9 (only doco is 1.8.1).I }CD-RW: Plextor Plexwriter 12/4/32 SCSI-2 (HD50) in a tabletop enclosure.>C }This Plextor is the closest I could find that matched the CDRECORDTM }information. It works as I have attached it to an NT system and it was fine.n  G I have a Yamaha CDR-400c on a DEC 3000m600 running VMS V7.2-1 + patchese that I'll compare with below.n  L }* At the console prompt the VAXstation recognises the device and that it is }a Plextor device. } K }* VMS recognises the device and recognises that it is a Plextor. See belowe0 }but you'll need courier font to see it aligned.  ' Both of these are also the case for me.   M }* I have not been able to mount anything with this drive though with variousiI }combinations of MOUNT/MEDIA=CDROM/UNDEFINED_FAT=STREAM:2048 etc etc etc. L }Some of these commands are from the VMS FAQ. Any form of mount generates anD }error on the device count. An analysis of the error is shown below.  C I can not mount anything to read it either. This seems to be fairlyaA common with CD-Rs and CD-RWs on VMS. In previous discussions here A most people were unable to do so, but a few seemed to be able to.   K }* I haven't really been able to try CDRECORD. I did do a CDRECORD -SCANBUS E }DEV=0,2,0 out of interest and it reported that unable to find device  }DKA002!! Which was a surprise.l  F This shouldn't stop you from trying anyway. The scanbus option doesn't work for me either:C   $ cdr -scanbusD Cdrecord 1.10a07 (Alpha/VAX-CPQ-VMS/OpenVMS) Copyright (C) 1995-2000
 JrgSchillingbA gergx$dka0:[software.cdrecord]cdrecord.exe;1: Error 65535. Wrong   scsibus-#(-1).  Cannot open SCSI driver. F gergx$dka0:[software.cdrecord]cdrecord.exe;1: For possible targets try, 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root.  D Wich is just plain silly - my "scanbus" didn't work, so I should try to do a "scanbus"? I think not.   F But, as it turns out, it works anyway if you just use the right "magicG numbers" in the "dev=x,y,z". Since you seem to know that you should useD& "0,2,0" then you should give it a try.  & I have the command set up as a symbol:   $ sh symb cdrecordO   CDRECORD == "$ SYSTEM$DISK:[SOFTWARE.CDRECORD]CDRECORD.EXE DEV=0,4,0 SPEED=4"a  E Using this on my system works to record a CD even though I can't reade one with the same drive.  L }* I've tried this on a Alphastation 255 and the results are pretty much the< }same except an error is reported as "invalid media format".  C I think that is what I get when I try to mount a CD with my CDR. It B doesn't work for reading anything. It does work to record a CDR ifC the right "dev=x,y,z" is entered (but you can't find out what it is>E from the "scanbus" option, you have to figure it out based on the bus  and ID on the bus).   H It isn't pretty, some stuff that should work doesn't, but I can actually record a CD in spite of it all.r   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 21:10:22 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: Re: disk benchmarking3 Message-ID: <6i73TV07nMzM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3B1558FE.EDAEB123@bigfoot.com>, Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> writes:L > Not to get to personal, but when you were ar child I bet you couldn't stayJ > within the line while coloring, could you?  When given a clearly definedN > scenario, you seem to argue with enough red herrings to fill a fishing boat.L > Some of your conclusions are quite sound, but completely irrelevant to the: > stated scenario.  Also, for God's sake man, do you work?  > 	Hey... Mr. Johnny-Come-Lately, when you get some time search B 	comp.arch, comp.arch.storage and comp.os.vms at www.deja.com for  	"todd".  > 	Bill knows what he is talking about and it is quite obvious.   = 	And following this thread , it is also quite obvious he spunt9 	you around about a dozen times.  Don't take it personal.t   				Robs   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 12:43:54 -0500& From: Charles Sebold <sebold@lcms.org>= Subject: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)o/ Message-ID: <m3n17tza5h.fsf_-_@sebold.lcms.org>-  # On 9 Sivan 5761, Arne Vajhj wrote:1  H > Question: as far as I know, then GNU Emacs uses Lisp, and GNU Emacs isG > ported to VMS, will that not imply that GNU Lisp is already ported toF > VMS ?2  7 Being an Emacs aficionado of sorts, perhaps I can help:   E 1.  Emacs hasn't compiled without massive changes in some time (sincerF     whatever compiler came at the same time as VMS 5.5, from what I've:     heard; I haven't succeeded with C V5.6 or 5.7) on VMS.  C 2.  When it did compile, the latest version I heard that worked wastD     19.28; since then v19 has revved to .34, v20 came out with sevenE     releases, and RSN we'll see v21.  These are big improvements overiA     19 (in my opinion; others will say otherwise for various gooduF     reasons) and it would be great if these could be ported to VMS.  IC     have heard rumors in this newsgroup that somebody is working on 7     Emacs 20 for VMS but I haven't heard anything else.r  D 3.  Most people referring to Lisp these days are either referring toE     Common Lisp or Scheme (and if you want to start a flamewar, go toeG     comp.lang.lisp and say that Scheme is a Lisp); Emacs Lisp is prettyeA     far from Common Lisp in some important areas, and developmente=     towards replacing Emacs Lisp with Scheme is not currentlye%     progressing as far as I can tell.7  D 4.  "GNU Lisp" would probably be GCL (which seemed to me like it hadE     stagnated some time ago, but I haven't kept up lately).  There is H     also CLISP, an interpreter (which might actually be portable to VMS,F     at least as much so as any other mostly-command-line GNU tool) and=     CMUCL (which is extremely difficult to port; it has to betE     bootstrapped - I don't see this showing up on VMS any time soon).r  G I found a working binary of Emacs v18 without networking code, which is G OK for some editing, but I would love to see either a working binary of F Emacs 19 with support for UCX, or even better, a recent port of Emacs.E I would probably do everything on VMS if Emacs were there; as it is Ie6 keep a Linux box handy for email and news (like this).  C (For those who are thinking, "Isn't Emacs just an editor?" - let me F explain.  Emacs is an editor similar to TPU, except that its extensionB language is a dialect of Lisp, and recent versions have networkingH capabilities - which means that you could write a network client in yourD editor.  This works surprisingly well; I do all my email and news inH Emacs, and have been able to customize it to the nth degree as a result.B XEmacs is a fork in Emacs development which introduced things likeB syntax-based color coding in non-X11 editing and image-viewing andD proportional-font support in X11 sessions; Emacs 21 will catch up inG these areas when it comes out.  This means you could have a web browser C built into your editor - and indeed one has been available for somenB time, that supports frames, tables, etc.  Yes, interpreted Lisp is> slower than native machine code much of the time, but it worksD surprisingly well and is very easy to change on the fly - and it canC easily be made to emulate other environments, like ELSE (Emacs LSE,nH apparently compatible with LSE's language description files), VIper (for7 masochists who like that vi sort of thing), and so on.)e -- gH Charles Sebold                                        9th of Sivan, 5761>       Systems Specialist, LCMS - Office of Information Systems=         *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***p=         *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***  --J Try to remove the color-problem by restarting your computer several times.J                                  -- Microsoft-Internet Explorer README.TXT  G  -- quoted by Eric Marsden <emarsden@mail.dotcom.fr>, in gnu.emacs.help0   ------------------------------   Date: 31 May 2001 18:42:41 GMT0 From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)A Subject: Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)p5 Message-ID: <9f63b1$aro$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>   / In article <m3n17tza5h.fsf_-_@sebold.lcms.org>, ( Charles Sebold  <sebold@lcms.org> wrote:I : I found a working binary of Emacs v18 without networking code, which isb : OK for some editing... : B Where?  I'd be very happy to have ANY working version of EMACS forF VMS 7.1 on an Alpha, even if it's only for some editing.  About a yearC ago I wasted a week trying to build from the VMS source package; asr+ far as I can tell, it simply can't be done.d   - Frankr   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:29:26 GMTs= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)nA Subject: Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)-0 Message-ID: <009FCD6E.F0A70679@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <9f63b1$aro$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:0 >In article <m3n17tza5h.fsf_-_@sebold.lcms.org>,) >Charles Sebold  <sebold@lcms.org> wrote: J >: I found a working binary of Emacs v18 without networking code, which is >: OK for some editing...r >:C >Where?  I'd be very happy to have ANY working version of EMACS for G >VMS 7.1 on an Alpha, even if it's only for some editing.  About a yearaD >ago I wasted a week trying to build from the VMS source package; as, >far as I can tell, it simply can't be done.  I It can but not without *great* pains.  I have a working 19.28 as far as I I can tell.  I'm not an Emacs power user by any stretch of the imagination,eJ so I'm not certain all of the functionality is there.  I've been trying toH build a V20.?? with great great difficulty.  One of the problems is thatH none of the 19.28 mods for VMS were ever introduced into the Emacs base-H line.  The psycho HAVE_mumbledefritz CONFIG.H builder (CONFIGURE.COM) is/ also can of very slimey and disgusting worms.  :  F One of the biggest problems is that you cannot seem to pick up a buildG where it fails.  I need to clean out all of the build targets, make anylG changes to fix the problem causing the build to breakdown and then, re-aF build.  You whittle away at it one stupid C bugger at a time and thereG are plently of them for whittling.  I recently (very recently) setup totG use a rooted logical which points to an empty directory tree and to theoG original source tree.  Builds still fail but I can more easily weed out  the built files for deletion.   E One of the big problems with the Emacs build is its reliance on the CiH compiler's production of intermediate output of preprocessor directives.E This is a kludged up bit of claptrap and makes fixing the bugs nearlymC impossible.   Only the unix mindset could have devised such a mess.o   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            rO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:03:04 -0500 1 From: Robert Alan Byer <byer@mail.ourservers.net>@A Subject: Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)f2 Message-ID: <3B166B38.D277D9C@mail.ourservers.net>   > K > It can but not without *great* pains.  I have a working 19.28 as far as I2K > can tell.  I'm not an Emacs power user by any stretch of the imagination,uL > so I'm not certain all of the functionality is there.  I've been trying toJ > build a V20.?? with great great difficulty.  One of the problems is thatJ > none of the 19.28 mods for VMS were ever introduced into the Emacs base-J > line.  The psycho HAVE_mumbledefritz CONFIG.H builder (CONFIGURE.COM) is/ > also can of very slimey and disgusting worms.o >l  . And people wonder why others hate Unix code :}  C I've run into alot of this porting other stuff to OpenVMS and while- those people that arecH TREULY going tward portable code to make it work on as many platforms as possible usullyFH do a good job and make it alot easier, there are those damm psyco's that	 just LOVE-D to make configure scrips and makefiles that make the necessary build files out of "thin air".d  c > G > One of the big problems with the Emacs build is its reliance on the CrJ > compiler's production of intermediate output of preprocessor directives.G > This is a kludged up bit of claptrap and makes fixing the bugs nearlyrE > impossible.   Only the unix mindset could have devised such a mess.. >u  A I've started porting GNU GCL to OpenVMS and while I'm making somep
 progress, the D biggest part of my time isn't fixing bugs, it's figuring out how the damm things buildsB in the first place and what needs to be where and what needs to be defined.  F Good thing (well, kinda good thing) that I have a Tru64 obx that I can run the compile onE to see how things go theter, but GNU GCL won't even build properly on  that.e  E It's going to be interesting to see how far I get with the GCL port. ( I'll probably get itE to compile and link, after that it's anyone guss if its going to work- right.   --    @  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |@  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+@  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |@  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |@  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |@  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:35:36 -0700 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>iA Subject: RE: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)e9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEKPCKAA.tom@kednos.com>   K I run 19.28 also, but on 6.2.  I also run 20.7, but on a Win2K and on Tru64- all on the same K network as the VMS cluster, so there are many ways to skin the cat.  Havingj* 20.7 running native would however be nice.     > -----Original Message-----F > From: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- [mailto:system@SendSpamHere.ORG]' > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:29 PM< > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComiC > Subject: Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)a >  >>7 > In article <9f63b1$aro$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,e4 > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:2 > >In article <m3n17tza5h.fsf_-_@sebold.lcms.org>,+ > >Charles Sebold  <sebold@lcms.org> wrote: L > >: I found a working binary of Emacs v18 without networking code, which is > >: OK for some editing...l > >:E > >Where?  I'd be very happy to have ANY working version of EMACS foreI > >VMS 7.1 on an Alpha, even if it's only for some editing.  About a yearyF > >ago I wasted a week trying to build from the VMS source package; as. > >far as I can tell, it simply can't be done. >uK > It can but not without *great* pains.  I have a working 19.28 as far as I K > can tell.  I'm not an Emacs power user by any stretch of the imagination, L > so I'm not certain all of the functionality is there.  I've been trying toJ > build a V20.?? with great great difficulty.  One of the problems is thatJ > none of the 19.28 mods for VMS were ever introduced into the Emacs base-J > line.  The psycho HAVE_mumbledefritz CONFIG.H builder (CONFIGURE.COM) is/ > also can of very slimey and disgusting worms.  >lH > One of the biggest problems is that you cannot seem to pick up a buildI > where it fails.  I need to clean out all of the build targets, make any-I > changes to fix the problem causing the build to breakdown and then, re-iH > build.  You whittle away at it one stupid C bugger at a time and thereI > are plently of them for whittling.  I recently (very recently) setup torI > use a rooted logical which points to an empty directory tree and to theII > original source tree.  Builds still fail but I can more easily weed outf > the built files for deletion.R >rG > One of the big problems with the Emacs build is its reliance on the CeJ > compiler's production of intermediate output of preprocessor directives.G > This is a kludged up bit of claptrap and makes fixing the bugs nearlytE > impossible.   Only the unix mindset could have devised such a mess.t >1 > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >h? > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets aree > named after them.a >i   ------------------------------    Date: 01 Jun 2001 04:53:47 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>A Subject: Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)c- Message-ID: <87y9rdme90.fsf@prep.synonet.com>S  ( Charles Sebold <sebold@lcms.org> writes:  % > On 9 Sivan 5761, Arne Vajhj wrote:e  J > > Question: as far as I know, then GNU Emacs uses Lisp, and GNU Emacs isI > > ported to VMS, will that not imply that GNU Lisp is already ported toa	 > > VMS ?m  9 > Being an Emacs aficionado of sorts, perhaps I can help:e  G > 1.  Emacs hasn't compiled without massive changes in some time (sinceeH >     whatever compiler came at the same time as VMS 5.5, from what I've< >     heard; I haven't succeeded with C V5.6 or 5.7) on VMS.  ; Vax is OK, but I was never able to get the Alpha on to run.o  E > 2.  When it did compile, the latest version I heard that worked wastF >     19.28; since then v19 has revved to .34, v20 came out with sevenG >     releases, and RSN we'll see v21.  These are big improvements overnC >     19 (in my opinion; others will say otherwise for various goodnH >     reasons) and it would be great if these could be ported to VMS.  IE >     have heard rumors in this newsgroup that somebody is working onC9 >     Emacs 20 for VMS but I haven't heard anything else.e  $ v21 is in test, no hint of how long.  D It is forked from 20.5, and once I get compilers etc updated it willB move up the foodchain. Another item I'd like to see is the code to- interface to MAIL and the librarian routines.a   -- y< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 15:28:25 -0500& From: Charles Sebold <sebold@lcms.org>A Subject: Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.) , Message-ID: <m37kyxxnyu.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>  % On 9 Sivan 5761, Frank da Cruz wrote:r  D > Where?  I'd be very happy to have ANY working version of EMACS forH > VMS 7.1 on an Alpha, even if it's only for some editing.  About a yearE > ago I wasted a week trying to build from the VMS source package; as(- > far as I can tell, it simply can't be done.c  H Oh, I'm sorry I wasn't more specific.  VAX binaries are all I found.  If. you still have a use for those drop me a line. -- dH Charles Sebold                                        9th of Sivan, 5761>       Systems Specialist, LCMS - Office of Information Systems=         *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***:=         *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***r --< Rules of the Evil Overlord, #66: http://www.eviloverlord.com  F My security keypad will actually be a fingerprint scanner.  Anyone who@ watches someone press a sequence of buttons or dusts the pad forH fingerprints then subsequently tries to enter by repeating that sequence will trigger the alarm system.   ------------------------------   Date: 31 May 2001 14:34:34 EDT) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook)e/ Subject: Re: HELP: OpenVMS Newbie needs help!!! ! Message-ID: <ih8rywfRrcYP@wvnvms>n  d In article <3B15240F.57C69E07@mail.all-net.net>, Tracon Industries <tracon@mail.all-net.net> writes: > F > I'm going to use this as my local UseNet news server using the DNEWS- > package (http://www.netwin.com/) for Alpha.  > F > The software is great, easy to use, but it keeps crashing.  It keepsF > crashing out telling me that it can't allocate enough memory when it? > tried to rebuild it's database index or expire news articles.  >  > The exact message is...p > E > 26 02:03:28  :error: Memory exceeded USER1:[SRC.DNEWS]DB.C;61:5979,6 > 141248 bytes, total 19788014 > H > I've played with the quotas in the user account the program is run out8 > of and I've tried just about everything I dare to try.  G What version are you running?  I have 5.4f9 on an Alpha which runs with H zero problems.  The current DNEWS process has been running for 249 days.  F It requires a large page file quota.  I run it with a quota of 600000.? Edit DNEWS_START.COM to increase it by modifying the /page_filehB value on the run dnews command.  You may also need to increase the size of your pagefile(s).e     George Cookc   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:39:52 +0100r- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>i/ Subject: Re: HELP: OpenVMS Newbie needs help!!!a) Message-ID: <3B162D88.D34AAE70@bbc.co.uk>e   Tracon Industries wrote:  	 > HELP!!!i >e > Here's the deal... >wJ > I have a nice AlphaPC 164 system with 256 MEG RAM, UltraSCSI hard drives@ > and controller and Hobbyist OpenVMS v7.2 with all the patches. > F > I'm going to use this as my local UseNet news server using the DNEWS- > package (http://www.netwin.com/) for Alpha.E >sF > The software is great, easy to use, but it keeps crashing.  It keepsF > crashing out telling me that it can't allocate enough memory when it? > tried to rebuild it's database index or expire news articles.u >p > The exact message is...d > E > 26 02:03:28  :error: Memory exceeded USER1:[SRC.DNEWS]DB.C;61:5979,l > 141248 bytes, total 19788014 >iH > I've played with the quotas in the user account the program is run out8 > of and I've tried just about everything I dare to try. > J > The documentation says that it's a virtual memory hog and I THOUGHT that7 > I knew what to change to solve this, but I guess not.n > I > I would appreciate any help with this as I'm new to all of this and any 9 > suggestion pointg me in the right direction would help.   1 We really need a VMS error code to help properly.c  K As it is, running autogen with feedback might help, as might increasing thea sizeK of the pagefile(s) on the system and the pgflquo of the process running theo server.k   regards      --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uki  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.p   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 23:12:21 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: HELP: OpenVMS Newbie needs help!!!t2 Message-ID: <pdAR6.913$fi2.24662@news.cpqcorp.net>  M In article <ih8rywfRrcYP@wvnvms>, cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) writes:iH :What version are you running?  I have 5.4f9 on an Alpha which runs withI :zero problems.  The current DNEWS process has been running for 249 days.f  E   Ever the scrounger, is there a chance I can get a DNEWS submission      for the next OpenVMS Freeware?  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 31 May 2001 18:29:05 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)D Subject: Re: Hobbyist Licenses - was Re: Affordable VMS Workstations, Message-ID: <9f62hh$sq7@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  o In article <WwmU0DEZtWXc@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes: \ >In article <3B14EA72.AD01AA7F@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:? >> The left hand does not know what he right hand is doing, eh?- >-% >I think, rather, that they disagree.T  J Compaq as Dr. Strangelove.  Seems somehow fitting.  Don't be in the movie  when it ends though!   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech f   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 04:17:46 GMToL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")E Subject: How do I make DECwindows see the Gloria Synergy on my DS20E?s8 Message-ID: <009FCD9F.99E5D778@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  	 VMSers --n  J I'm commissioning a new DS20E.  (It was purchased as Linux-Ready and we'reI using the EDU license as the base license to run VMS.  We're in the CSLG -G here.)  It booted the 7.2-1 CD fine, did an install of motif 1.2-5 and y6 DECnet Plus, and then booted from disk perfectly well.  * However, it can't see a graphics device.     $ SHOW DEV G   produces  - %SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device availablea    ' and DECwindows won't, of course, start.d  J It has an Elsa Gloria Synergy in it.  (At least, that's what the docs thatI came with the system say it has, that's what the console monitor displaysIK at bootup, and that monitor's plugged into _something_.)  What do I have to . do to get the Gloria Synergy to be recognized?  N (I know some devices are supported in drivers in the OpenGL package, so I wentL ahead and installed that.  Not surprisingly, it didn't make any difference.)   Thanks,    -- Alana  O ===============================================================================a0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056mM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-02102O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 05:14:56 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")I Subject: Re: How do I make DECwindows see the Gloria Synergy on my DS20E?t8 Message-ID: <009FCDA7.966E79F3@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <009FCD9F.99E5D778@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:y  
 Okay, got it.   F Thanks to a hint from David Mathog (thanks, Dave!), I found the [ELSA]J directory on the 7.2-1 CD and installed the driver for this card.  A quickJ SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE and the card became known, and I was able to start up DECwindows.   -- Alanh  J --------------------------------------------------------------------------    
 >VMSers -- >hK >I'm commissioning a new DS20E.  (It was purchased as Linux-Ready and we're.J >using the EDU license as the base license to run VMS.  We're in the CSLG H >here.)  It booted the 7.2-1 CD fine, did an install of motif 1.2-5 and 7 >DECnet Plus, and then booted from disk perfectly well.X >(+ >However, it can't see a graphics device.  . >p
 >$ SHOW DEV Gs >e	 >producesn >t. >%SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available >- >-( >and DECwindows won't, of course, start. >0K >It has an Elsa Gloria Synergy in it.  (At least, that's what the docs that J >came with the system say it has, that's what the console monitor displaysL >at bootup, and that monitor's plugged into _something_.)  What do I have to/ >do to get the Gloria Synergy to be recognized?a >mO >(I know some devices are supported in drivers in the OpenGL package, so I wenthM >ahead and installed that.  Not surprisingly, it didn't make any difference.)a >i >Thanks, >e >-- Alan >eP >===============================================================================1 > Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU.N > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056N > Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210P >=============================================================================== >a  O ===============================================================================o0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056eM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:19:30 +0200p, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>Y Subject: Re: HOW to config and start decnet.  was( Can't SET HOST to cluster memberADDENDg* Message-ID: <3B168B32.30DD43EB@compaq.com>  : If he doesn't know anything about DECnet OSI, I suggest heO @sys$manager:TCPIP$CONFIG.COM then select 1. core, then 3 I think (I'm home and I my CHARON-VAX runs 6.2/UCX) then he reconfigures the interface instead oft editing those NCL scrips.b   D.   Colin Butcher wrote: > , > IF PHASE_V (aka DECnet/OSI or DECnet-Plus) > THEN > N >        Edit the NCL script file which starts the routing circuits and changeE > the device name from ESA0 to EZA0. Simply search the NCL scripts intN > SYS$STARTUP for "ESA" and replace with "EZA". That should also catch any MOPJ > stuff as well. Enable it by running the changed scripts from within NCL. >  > ENDIF|   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:49:37 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>Y Subject: Re: HOW to config and start decnet.  was( Can't SET HOST to clustermemberADDENDUeJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105312045140.25411-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  * On Thu, 31 May 2001, Didier Morandi wrote:  < >+If he doesn't know anything about DECnet OSI, I suggest he* >+@sys$manager:TCPIP$CONFIG.COM then [...]0 >+ then he reconfigures the interface instead of >+editing those NCL scrips.+  ?  Supose you are aware that NCL (DECNET) is something differrent3/ than TCPIP :) and will say "get rid of DECNET".j5  But that may be no THAT simple: at least license forn5 TCPIP (suposing that he has TCPIP 'standard' license,e4 probable with REALLY OLD VMS version !) is a COST :]4 - may be not acceptable for existing configuration !4  And - of course - "something" can depend of DECNET,# the protocol has some advantages :)g    Regards - Gotfryd   -- .E =====================================================================nF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MES. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================m   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 02:11:54 GMTi From: dittman@dittman.netz% Subject: InfoServer 1000 Power SupplysA Message-ID: <KRCR6.85537$gc5.3942360@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>f  < Does anyone have a spare power supply for an InfoServer 1000= (model SEATC-AS) they can sell?  If not, can someone post thei pinouts? -- M Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.netv   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:17:34 +0100y- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>  Subject: Re: IRCD for VMSl) Message-ID: <3B16284E.CE905DE9@bbc.co.uk>o   Paul Repacholi wrote:   - > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:t > F > > > Sounds like HypterTerm to me which is the default VT100 emulatorC > > > provided with all versions of Windows. It has the worst VT100 ! > > > emulation I have ever seen.  >e1 > > Is it allowed to call that a VT100 emulation?f >VL > Well, you could not call it a VT52 emulation! VT100 was mearly unreadable.: > VT52 gave garbage screen scratching all over the screen. >s  J actually Hyperterminal on W98 is somewhat improved, if you fiddle with the options enough.   = For a really bad terminal emulator, try c:\windows\telnet.exel   regardsm   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofd MedAS or the BBC.t   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 19:26:02 -05004 From: cornelius@encompasserve.org (George Cornelius)! Subject: Re: Login/Logout Problemn3 Message-ID: <XA+keEQL8Mt2@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  Q In article <sb14f858.008@aaas.org>, John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes:i > J > VMS is killing their connection, it's not about their Virtual Terminal =M > still being attached, or it affecting a SHOW USERS. My problem is BECAUSE =-G > VMS is cleaning up (and thank you to the VMS engineers - I'm sure i =SM > wouldn't want it the other way) I can't tell who it is that isn't logging =  > out correctly. > H > We're looking at doing something in DCL in sylogin.com to handle it. =% > Thanks everyone for your responses..  C I'm not sure sylogin can help other than signalling to some watchercD process that a new process has arrived and needs to be monitored, orD possibly checking for the rare case of process creation happening soI rapidly that a process ID is reused before your package has detected that  the first instance has exited.  G Accounting records would be a good solution except for the fact that asiJ far as I know you cannot intercept the accounting record on its way to theG accounting file: while there is such a mechanism in VMS, it is only forh= processes you create yourself via the $CREPRC system service.s  @ I suppose someone more knowledgeable in VMS than I might suggestD an inner mode exit handler which sets a global event flag or in someC other way sends a signal when a process exits. Even easier would be C an inner mode lock on which a watcher process places a blocking AST 4 in order to receive a signal when the process exits.  J And an approach that works under DEC TCPIP services is to intercept telnetF disconnect OPCOM messages, something that can be done via a pseudotermF which has been enabled - no login necessary - as an operator terminal.  C Personally I would go with virtual terminals and a watcher process,fH possibly an idle process killer that can be rigged up to also report any% process that terminates unexpectedly.r  E And I would resist the temptation to define a LO*GOUT foreign symbol. I It is such a poor way of detecting process exits as to be nearly useless, F so all it really does is get in the way for those times when you mightB need to exit immediately without triggering additional processing.   --8 George Cornelius              cornelius@eisner.decus.org0                               cornelius@mayo.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:41:59 -0400e! From: Bob Sudderth <rsq@ornl.gov> P Subject: Mozilla 0.9 - Command procedure used as CGI is displayed, not executed.( Message-ID: <3B16BAA7.8211170E@ornl.gov>   Mozilla 0.9 - Build 2001050706   HTML contains the line:e  4     <FORM ACTION="file:///cgi-bin:start_report.com">  ( and start_report.com contains the lines:  "     $ display = "write sys$output"'     $ display "content-type: text/html"t     $ display ""     $ display "<html>      etc.  E The CGI file, start_report.com, is treated like HTML (displayed), notf9 CGI (it is not executed - no symbols are resolved, etc.).e  C Could I possibly be doing something wrong or should I report a bug?    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 04:42:51 GMTcL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")T Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9 - Command procedure used as CGI is displayed, not executed.8 Message-ID: <009FCDA3.1B149430@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  L In article <3B16BAA7.8211170E@ornl.gov>, Bob Sudderth <rsq@ornl.gov> writes: >Mozilla 0.9 - Build 2001050706n >r >HTML contains the line: >n5 >    <FORM ACTION="file:///cgi-bin:start_report.com">e >n) >and start_report.com contains the lines:- >-# >    $ display = "write sys$output"2( >    $ display "content-type: text/html" >    $ display ""  >    $ display "<html>	 >    etc.e > F >The CGI file, start_report.com, is treated like HTML (displayed), not: >CGI (it is not executed - no symbols are resolved, etc.). >.D >Could I possibly be doing something wrong or should I report a bug?  G I sure never saw a file:/// URL used for a CGI before, and I doubt thathC POST, etc, are defined actions for file URLs.  Try http:// instead.   H (What happens when you try this with, eg, Netscape 3.03?  Does it work?)   -- Aland    O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056qM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210tO ===============================================================================l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:48:50 -0500n+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>eS Subject: RE: Mozilla 0.9 - Command procedure used as CGI is displayed,not	executed.yL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1EC1@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----* > From: Bob Sudderth [mailto:rsq@ornl.gov]    > Mozilla 0.9 - Build 2001050706 >  > HTML contains the line:m > 6 >     <FORM ACTION="file:///cgi-bin:start_report.com"> > * > and start_report.com contains the lines: > $ >     $ display = "write sys$output") >     $ display "content-type: text/html"t >     $ display "" >     $ display "<html>y
 >     etc. > G > The CGI file, start_report.com, is treated like HTML (displayed), notw; > CGI (it is not executed - no symbols are resolved, etc.).  > E > Could I possibly be doing something wrong or should I report a bug?A  H The file:// is what's killing you.  Generally the web-server handles theJ execution of CGI, and since there's no server to intervene and execute it,K your browser would have to be smart enough at this point to do that itself.h8 It probably is not, and I don't know of any that are. :)  = Unfortunately you'll probably need an HTTP server to do this.9   Regards,   Chrisa  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developern Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");s 'a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:06:46 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)1 Subject: Re: Need some information on VMS and VAXn2 Message-ID: <WKvR6.890$fi2.24456@news.cpqcorp.net>  d In article <000e01c0e9ec$722bca40$59d027a2@1csn101>, Diana Douglas <dianadouglas@alltel.net> writes:- :This is a multi-part message in MIME format.i  B   Please turn off MIME when posting messages to INFO-VAX.  Thanks!  2 :In reference to your note on one of the web pages  <   The particular citation, URL, or note or message might be?  D   As you have probably learned by now, you have posted your query toE   a world-wide email list (list server), and this particular list is w,   gated to a newsgroup known as comp.os.vms.  5 :I am trying to find out more regarding VAX and VMS. 2; :I am hoping to base my final year project on the two OS...a     Dear Sir/Madam, :-)e     Please visit:e  <   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/student_research.html     and please visit:w  6   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.txt  A   and please visit the training materials and documentation cited    in the above.T  8   Welcome to the world of OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS VAX,     Yours, :-)   Sir/Madam Hoff, Denizena  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:10:17 GMT-2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)8 Subject: Re: Need VAX maintenance documentation urgently2 Message-ID: <dOvR6.891$fi2.24406@news.cpqcorp.net>  g In article <565b7669.0105310918.651d403d@posting.google.com>, josezb@wbmassociates.com (josezb) writes:vD :I'm looking for documentation on DEC computers...any documentation 2 :needed to do component level maintenance such as: :t :1)  Maintenance Manuals :2)  Board component layouts .. :I've had no luck with Compaq.  I   As Compaq is a typically large and complex corporation, I have no idea gI   who you might have contacted.  The folks that have and that offer this !I   sort of maintenance and hardware support information are available via:b  &     http://www.compaq.com/CAS-Catalog/  H   Just yesterday, I noticed that the OpenVMS FAQ pointer for this CompaqI   Assisted Services program information has suffered from some link-rot, d4   and is no longer valid.  I've queued the change...  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:22:47 +0100d- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>-8 Subject: Re: Need VAX maintenance documentation urgently) Message-ID: <3B167DE7.C8AB9CC2@bbc.co.uk>a  
 josezb wrote:n  ? > I'm looking for documentation on DEC computers (VAX 4000-700,yC > VS4000-90...) manufactured from the end of the eighties to aroundaH > 1995.  In particular, I'm interested in any documentation needed to do& > component level maintenance such as: >  > 1)  Maintenance Manualsi > 2)  Board component layouts, > 3)  List of components > 4)  Schematics > 5)  Block Diagrams' > 6)  Any other available documentationA >aH > I've had no luck with Compaq.  Any contacts you could give me would be > greatly appreciated.  G There used to be a self-maintenance group in the UK in Digital days. If J you pryed hard enough you could get on their mailing list for parts, maint  H docs etc. Not sure if this still exists, or if it ever existed where you are located.   regards=     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukj  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.C   ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2001 14:48:01 -0700' From: josezb@wbmassociates.com (josezb).8 Subject: Re: Need VAX maintenance documentation urgently= Message-ID: <565b7669.0105311348.28379ee5@posting.google.com>g   Thanks for the input Hoff,F I received a Maintenance Product Recommendation from Compaq's AssistedF Services Group in which they quote an "MDS ON PC CD/1YR UPDATES" (PartB # MD-CDRPC-01).  This CD is supposed to have all the documentationC available.  I have the list of documents included, but I can't tell E from the titles if they are what's needed to maintain these machines.nE I'm currently trying to buy it to see if it's what I need, but Compaq & is having trouble making it available.A Somewhere someone must know what documentation DEC provided theirh< self-maintenance customers  I need to speak to that person.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:49:55 +0200W, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.n0spam.nl>5 Subject: OpenVMS VAX V7.2, DECnet-plus and DNVOSIECO3n; Message-ID: <3b16ae56$0$19593$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl>t   Hello,  C Did anyone try to install ECO3 for DECnet-plus on OpenVMS VAX V7.2?   E The kit requires DECnet-OSI V7.2-1 as a prerequisite! Kind of hard to  comply!o   Or am I missing something?   Regards,  	 Bart Zornw TrueBit B.V.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:26:40 -0400a  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX V7.2, DECnet-plus and DNVOSIECO3e6 Message-ID: <1010531192249.11310A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  % On Thu, 31 May 2001, Bart Zorn wrote:n   > Hello, > E > Did anyone try to install ECO3 for DECnet-plus on OpenVMS VAX V7.2?r > G > The kit requires DECnet-OSI V7.2-1 as a prerequisite! Kind of hard to 	 > comply!O >  > Or am I missing something? > 
 > Regards, >  > Bart Zorn= > TrueBit B.V.  @ I hit the same problem.  The resolution was unclear.  Since V7.3A (with DECnet V7.3) arrived yesterday, I'll probably just upgrade.L  > However, what I think may have happened is DECnet V7.2-1 might< have shipped on a VAX LP CD, but not on a TK50 kit, at about< the same time as Alpha DECnet V7.2-1.  Since the only DECnet; I have is the one that shipped with VMS V7.2 (DECnet V7.2),=
 I'm stuck.  = Never got a straight answer if DECNet V7.2-1 was ever shipped > or supposed to have been shipped to customers with a TK50 MDDS/ contract.  Or even if it exists outside Compaq.T   -- o John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 00:12:00 GMTg) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)e9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX V7.2, DECnet-plus and DNVOSIECO3n1 Message-ID: <3b16dd28.360390383@news.wcc.govt.nz>   C Not sure where I got it but we're running DECNet OSI 7.2-1 on VAXes F currently running ECO 2 on most but I have installed ECO 3 on one test VAX.    mcr ncl show implementt   Node 0$ at 2001-06-01-12:09:57.433+12:00Iinf   Characteristicse  '     Implementation                    =n        {           [h           Name = OpenVMS VAX ,           Version = "V7.2    "
           ] ,            [w1           Name = Compaq DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS ,-:           Version = "V7.2-1 ECO03 21-MAR-2001 15:08:32.87"           ]o  F Generally get all my Software from CD Distros except for Patches so it) wont have come from anywhere too strange!r   Rob.    / On Thu, 31 May 2001 22:49:55 +0200, "Bart Zorn"1! <B.Zorn@TrueBit.n0spam.nl> wrote:T   >Hello,2 >,D >Did anyone try to install ECO3 for DECnet-plus on OpenVMS VAX V7.2? > F >The kit requires DECnet-OSI V7.2-1 as a prerequisite! Kind of hard to >comply! >  >Or am I missing something?n >h	 >Regards,i >+
 >Bart Zorn
 >TrueBit B.V.h >N >( >N   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:49:57 -0400"0 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca.spammenot>9 Subject: Oracle Message libraries on VMS - how to installn7 Message-ID: <28xR6.1589$Ln4.133606@weber.videotron.net>]   Hi!    When I enter the command $ OERR NMS 1234!   I get;> WARNING: the ORA_ROOT:[NETWORK.MESG] directory does not exist.*          Defaulting to ORA_ROOT:[NETWORK].  F ERROR: the ORA_ROOT:[ORA_ROOT:[NETWORK]NMSUS.MSG] file does not exist.      & How can I install the file NMSUS.MSG ?L I have other msg libraries already (ORA_ROOT:[RDBMS]ORAUS.MSG is one) I just4 don't know how to install specific ones I'm missing.   Thanks   --   Syltrem=; http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site),> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:36:29 -0300s+ From: Rodman S. Regier <rsr@hfx.andara.com>s8 Subject: Pathworks V5.0F ECO2+W2Kpatch  W2K+SP2 problemsO Message-ID: <857AE1B7E13A995F.0600270E8BA567A9.C02D3FB48D60BE31@lp.airnews.net>t  : Early warning of Pathworks problem that seems to be caused8 by installation of Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pak 2.   OpenVMS/Alpha V7.1-2 w/patches& TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V4.2 ECO 1/ Pathworks V5.0F ECO2 w/Compaq W2K support patch    Pathworks server running above.   @ Workstation running Microsoft Windows 2000 and recently released Microsoft Service Pak 2 (SP2).  E Workstation application attempting to write file to Pathworks service 9 results in error messages.  Typical example with MS Word:0  7        The folder 'x:\top\next\final' isn't accessable.a<        The folder may be located on an unavailable volume or!        protected with a password.s  C Two different workstations running W2K w/SP2 demonstrate problem oniC different user accounts.  Problem not seen prior to installation of: SP2 on affected workstations.m  B Testing on another workstation w/o SP2 installed with same account works fine.h  # Problem report submitted to Compaq..  > I speculate that MS SP2 has changed or eliminated the protocol7 that Compaq's Pathworks V5.0F ECO2 W2K patch supported.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:22:48 +020000 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@compaq.com>' Subject: Re: PCSI and Account creation.L* Message-ID: <3B168BF8.E8DEB639@compaq.com>  I There is no such "create a system account". The PCSI "account" verb callsm= actually a DCL command procedure to create the account as then' sys$manager:adduser.com procedure does.m  M Creating an account from DCL via the KITINSTAL.COM or via PCSI is exactly theSP same, except what you said, the remove is automatic when you do a Product remove
 <product>.   Where is your problem?   D.  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:u > I > From various discussions that I've been part of and heard, I understandaL > that the recommended way of using PCSI for product installation kits is toM > use PCSI and the PRODUCT command to place the product files onto the systemrK > and then use a configuration tool (like NET$CONFIGURE or TCPIP$CONFIGURE)o@ > to carry out the configuration of the product being installed. > M > How then does this work with the creation of accounts?  I can create a userrK > account using the "account" statement in the PCSI$DESCRIPTION file.  ThisoG > will "create a system account".  I do realize that it is created as alF > managed object so is this the reason that it's available rather than3 > leaving such creation to the configuration phase?  >  > Steve.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:18:19 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?a2 Message-ID: <LVvR6.892$fi2.24362@news.cpqcorp.net>  g In article <3B0C45DA.111B9A27@mail.ourservers.net>, Robert Alan Byer <byer@mail.ourservers.net> writes:h7 :Anyone know of a LISP system for OpenVMS Alpha or VAX?   1   RuleWorks (OPS5) is on the Freeware V5.0 kit...     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:09:30 GMTi- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)d/ Subject: Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?g0 Message-ID: <3b169682.20895876@news.process.com>  N On Thu, 31 May 2001 18:18:19 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:  h >In article <3B0C45DA.111B9A27@mail.ourservers.net>, Robert Alan Byer <byer@mail.ourservers.net> writes:8 >:Anyone know of a LISP system for OpenVMS Alpha or VAX? >z2 >  RuleWorks (OPS5) is on the Freeware V5.0 kit... >nI I also have an old version of David Betts's (?) XLISP, a LISP interpreterlJ that probably doesn't do enough of what you'd want, but is fun for playingH with LISP (it's what I used for my AI class project back in '84) on VMS.; If anyone is interested, drop me a line and I'll dig it up.x   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/G   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:52:26 GMTb) From: "David Betz" <dbetz@xlisper.mv.com>o/ Subject: Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?a= Message-ID: <_hxR6.18508$zl5.4772851@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>N  K > I also have an old version of David Betts's (?) XLISP, a LISP interpreterm  K Actually, it's 'betz' not 'betts'. Yes, the VAX version of XLISP is ancientBL as are all versions of XLISP actually. The most recent version is 3.0 and isJ based on Scheme rather than MacLisp/CommonLisp. Unfortunately, there is noJ VAX port as yet. It will have to wait until I get my VAXStation 3100/76 up and running.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:29:26 GMT$- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)m/ Subject: Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone? 0 Message-ID: <3b16a948.25702177@news.process.com>  L On Thu, 31 May 2001 19:52:26 GMT, "David Betz" <dbetz@xlisper.mv.com> wrote:  L >> I also have an old version of David Betts's (?) XLISP, a LISP interpreter > # >Actually, it's 'betz' not 'betts'.R  O Ah, I remember that now. 8-)  Thanks; I shouldn't have tried to go from memory.   ) >Yes, the VAX version of XLISP is ancient M >as are all versions of XLISP actually. The most recent version is 3.0 and is=K >based on Scheme rather than MacLisp/CommonLisp. Unfortunately, there is no K >VAX port as yet. It will have to wait until I get my VAXStation 3100/76 upo
 >and running.L >o< If/when you do, I'd love to add it to the freeware archives.   Thanks.O   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/=9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:36:30 -0500 1 From: Robert Alan Byer <byer@mail.ourservers.net>9/ Subject: Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?	3 Message-ID: <3B16730E.3EB3203C@mail.ourservers.net>1   > 3 >   RuleWorks (OPS5) is on the Freeware V5.0 kit...g >-  H I took a look at it and compiled it and tried it with the Maxima package and some other; generic LISP code and it didn't work, it's not compatiable.i  F Oh well, it was worth a shot if it would have save me from porting GNU GCL :}' (all this work for one math package :})p    Thanks anyway.   -- l  @  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |@  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+@  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |@  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |@  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |@  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:41:00 +0930 % From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au>r/ Subject: Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?-) Message-ID: <3B1723E4.8070003@vsm.com.au>6   Robert Alan Byer wrote:l  8 > Anyone know of a LISP system for OpenVMS Alpha or VAX? > 0 > I would appreciate any help and input on this. > 	 > Thanks.r  G Many years ago we used LISP on VAXes in our Computer Science studies atsG Adelaide University.  I still have the LISP.EXE and some documentation.   C     LISP.DOC;4        59/60      18-JUN-1985 12:21  (RWED,RWED,,RE)TC     LISP.EXE;3        64/70      18-JUN-1985 12:01  (RWED,RWED,,RE) C     LISP.HLP;3         2/5       28-FEB-1984 09:54  (RWED,RWED,,RE)v  G According to LISP.HLP, the code was converted from Macro-11 to Bliss-32aG by Bevin Brett in July 1982.  The original Macro was on a DECUS libraryo tape.n  * It seems to run under OpenVMS VAX V7.2 ...  3     $ define lsp_system_init sys_ute:lsp_system.lspi     $ define lsp_user_init nl:     $ r sys_ute:lisp     Loading system ...     Trace should now work ...a     3i     3u     System loaded.     Welcome to LISPw	     Lisp>/   Regards,          Jeremy Begg  =   +---------------------------------------------------------+u=   |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.              | =   |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                  |f=   |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"        |-=   |---------------------------------------------------------|t=   | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au |-=   | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    | =   |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      |z=   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    |a=   +---------------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:16:15 -0700-! From: Shane.F.Smith@healthnet.comr% Subject: Re: Rambus loses another one1D Message-ID: <OFD2BC5335.6F98F61A-ON88256A5D.0073C67A@foundation.com>  D Don't forget though, the current crop of lawsuits are about Rambus'sF disputed SDRAM patents. AFAIK nobody's challenging their RDRAM (RambusK memory) patents, and my guess is a loss on the SDRAM side probably wouldn't.= affect the RDRAM-specific ones. Of course, I Am Not A Lawyer.    Shaned          D Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> on 05/31/2001 01:08:53 AM  ! Please respond to Jan Vorbrueggena7       <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh cc:e  & Subject:  Re: Rambus loses another one    . Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  F > One thing that has come out, is some of the licence details. SeveralG > of them have explicit term that there are no royalties if the patents- > are invalid.  K I think that would be a standard clause in a license agreement - after all,-I the validity of the patent is a conditio sine qua non of such agreements.H  J As I understand it, there seem to be clauses that say something similar toI "if you loose a suit based on these patents for royalty payment, we don'tm' have to pay either." That _is_ unusual.-  % > The other was the size, 3.x%, huge!e  J For an enabling technology, that is within the usual range. Above about 5% would be considered huge.e        Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:06:01 -0400t2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>? Subject: Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression optionsa) Message-ID: <3B169619.1138CCC@oracle.com>a  1 there is no need to ship a zip/unzip tool.  there / is self-etracting ZIP on VMS already that coulds0 easily replace the existing DCX stuff.  In fact,1 the file types could even remain the same so thatl1 there would be little "down-stream" impact to the  existing procedures.  : But, it would be cool for PCSI to be able to automatically8 produce a compressed kit source.  The technology used to do so is unimportant.i   Simon Clubley wrote: > 0 > On Thu, 31 May 2001 12:07:06 +0100, in article: > <3B1633EA.1265CB45@CCAgroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman wrote: > >  > >Why self-extracting though ?d3 > >The appropriate unzip tool is readily available.iF > >Self-extracting is both an overhead, and a potential security risk. > >y > >Chris Sharman > H > Consider the security and contract environment that many VMS sites run > under. > I > The unzip tools are not supplied as part of the supported part of a VMScK > installation. In order for patch kits to be supplied as a .ZIP instead ofo? > a .EXE, unzipping facilities would have to be built into VMS.e > M > An acceptable way of doing this (to me at least) would be to extend PCSI toaN > include the ability to read a .ZIP file directly and then require that sitesL > upgrade to the new version of PCSI (which would be supplied in the form of8 > a patch kit using the current DCX compression method). > I > As regards the security risk of self extracting zips, I would hope thattI > VMS Engineering would conduct a code audit on the self extracting tool.eL > Assuming that this audit is done, you are then left with the same risks asN > presently exist with DCX, namely that someone in VMS Engineering could alter" > the extraction code for a patch. > M > I do not see this as a major risk, and I am usually accused (correctly :-))a6 > of been somewhat paranoid when it comes to security. >  > Simon. >  > --= > Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPnM > Worrying idea #101: What if Microsoft goes into the Ada compiler business ?    --  > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:34:24 GMT02 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)? Subject: Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression optionss2 Message-ID: <kVxR6.904$fi2.24597@news.cpqcorp.net>  ^ In article <3B169619.1138CCC@oracle.com>, norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> writes:> :...But, it would be cool for PCSI to be able to automatically9 :produce a compressed kit source.  The technology used to  :do so is unimportant...  M   Well, other than any licensing issues and such.  And yes, we've had various J   discussions around adding (de)compression capabilities into PCSI, thoughJ   this enhancement was pre-empted by other work for the PCSI engineers -- G   though given the storage "crunch" on our CD-ROM media kits, this PCSItB   (de)compression implementation priority may well get escalated.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:00:36 -0400:5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>  Subject: Re: The future of VMS2 Message-ID: <sxwR6.896$fi2.24588@news.cpqcorp.net>  . If I had time on my hands, I would port Gnome.  C An alternative that might be interesting and do-able is to write an F application that reads command line definition files, and builds a GUI interface for it.0  K People are always complaining that they want GUI interfaces to command linen apps ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:05:26 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: Re: The future of VMSL Message-ID: <OF05CA5283.DD9ECDBE-ON03256A5D.0068CD1F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  F So, try to port the Amiga development kit to OpenVMS ... May be in the
 future we cant have a new graphical terminal.   Regardso   FC        F "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> em 31/05/2001 16:00:36  A Favor responder a "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>O             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com.       Assunto: Re: The future of VMS    . If I had time on my hands, I would port Gnome.  C An alternative that might be interesting and do-able is to write anBF application that reads command line definition files, and builds a GUI interface for it.0  K People are always complaining that they want GUI interfaces to command line  apps ;-)   ------------------------------    Date: 01 Jun 2001 04:47:21 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: The future of VMS- Message-ID: <873d9lnt46.fsf@prep.synonet.com>d  7 "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:   0 > If I had time on my hands, I would port Gnome.  E > An alternative that might be interesting and do-able is to write aneH > application that reads command line definition files, and builds a GUI > interface for it.l  B Or as a first step, read a CLD and spit out the code to set up theB varibles etc for a lunix system. You may want to do a unix version0 of LIB$FIND_FILE first. with wildcard handeling.   -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.P@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:57:51 -0400o% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>C Subject: Re: The future of VMS/ Message-ID: <thdq43tlt4edb3@news.supernews.com>   I That would be nice.  As a start, I would like to see something that would D read a CLD file and produce code and/or tables that could be used inJ conjunction with open source CLI$ routines.  Let's bring real command line utilities to UNIX and Windows!  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:sxwR6.896$fi2.24588@news.cpqcorp.net...0 > If I had time on my hands, I would port Gnome. >2E > An alternative that might be interesting and do-able is to write aniH > application that reads command line definition files, and builds a GUI > interface for it.2 >sH > People are always complaining that they want GUI interfaces to command line
 > apps ;-) >h >M >P >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:59:13 +0100K- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>-- Subject: Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :( ) Message-ID: <3B167861.FF53CB0D@bbc.co.uk>.   Christoph Gartmann wrote:c  l > In article <38bc203c.0105310144.647eb00@posting.google.com>, allan_j_gray@yahoo.com (Allan J Gray) writes: >I   [snip]     >aI > >2. A 'Digital VAXstation 3100' running 'VAX/VMS 5.4' which I have beenaI > >told cannot be connected directly to an IP network but must go via theKA > >'DEC 3000' box using something called DECnet to allow it to bedI > >telnetted to via an IP network. This machine also has a VT510 terminal B > >connected to it which must be used to boot the 'VAXstation' up. >m >r6 > You should tell us which TCP/IP stack you are using. >t    J Sounds to me like there is no TCP/IP stack on the 3100, but they need one,2 or need to get DECNet running between the 2 boxes.  I VMS 5.4 is very old. Unless there is a need to support other systems that$M old then an upgrade to at least a support landing zone like 5.5-2, 6.2 or 7.1 & seems in order if not striaght to 7.3.  I My experience with UCX on VMS 5.5-2 was not that good (UCX 1.3 thru 2.x). M Though apparently UCX 4.1 will work on VMS 5.5-2 (never tried it, upgraded tosE VMS 7.1 and UCX 4.1 instead, but support did suggest trying it once).t   regards  --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk1  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofR MedAS or the BBC.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:05:44 -0400n  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>- Subject: Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :(s6 Message-ID: <1010531154717.25457A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ) On Thu, 31 May 2001, Tim Llewellyn wrote:i   >  >  > Christoph Gartmann wrote:- > n > > In article <38bc203c.0105310144.647eb00@posting.google.com>, allan_j_gray@yahoo.com (Allan J Gray) writes: > >F >  > [snip] >  >  > >mK > > >2. A 'Digital VAXstation 3100' running 'VAX/VMS 5.4' which I have been-K > > >told cannot be connected directly to an IP network but must go via thedC > > >'DEC 3000' box using something called DECnet to allow it to be:K > > >telnetted to via an IP network. This machine also has a VT510 terminaltD > > >connected to it which must be used to boot the 'VAXstation' up. > >. > > 8 > > You should tell us which TCP/IP stack you are using. > >a >  > L > Sounds to me like there is no TCP/IP stack on the 3100, but they need one,4 > or need to get DECNet running between the 2 boxes. > K > VMS 5.4 is very old. Unless there is a need to support other systems that O > old then an upgrade to at least a support landing zone like 5.5-2, 6.2 or 7.1S( > seems in order if not striaght to 7.3. > K > My experience with UCX on VMS 5.5-2 was not that good (UCX 1.3 thru 2.x).uO > Though apparently UCX 4.1 will work on VMS 5.5-2 (never tried it, upgraded toeG > VMS 7.1 and UCX 4.1 instead, but support did suggest trying it once).o >   I Or dig up the CMU IP stack, if you need something free.  It used to be onoD the Freeware disk, IIRC, and is probably on the net somewhere, but I couldn't find it.m  D There is a newsgroup vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.cmu-tek dedicated to it,D but I don't know if anyone reads it anymore.  (The hobbyist licenses5 for UCX, TCPWare & Multinet seem to have done it in.)t  	 > regards, > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project   --   John SantosI Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:31:24 GMTL- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) - Subject: Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :(y0 Message-ID: <3b16a9c4.25826616@news.process.com>  E On Thu, 31 May 2001 16:05:44 -0400, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:u  L >> My experience with UCX on VMS 5.5-2 was not that good (UCX 1.3 thru 2.x).P >> Though apparently UCX 4.1 will work on VMS 5.5-2 (never tried it, upgraded toH >> VMS 7.1 and UCX 4.1 instead, but support did suggest trying it once). >> e >oJ >Or dig up the CMU IP stack, if you need something free.  It used to be onE >the Freeware disk, IIRC, and is probably on the net somewhere, but Ie >couldn't find it. >yO If you want commercial, MultiNet will still run on VMS V5.4, with the exceptioncJ of a few pieces, such as SSH.  It's not supported, but we still have a few2 customers running MultiNet on VMS prior to V5.5-2.     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/d9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:49:39 -0700t8 From: Joe <schneider.NoSpam@zippy.labmed.washington.edu>- Subject: Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :(-J Message-ID: <schneider.NoSpam-D859F9.13493931052001@news.u.washington.edu>  = In article <38bc203c.0105310144.647eb00@posting.google.com>,  , allan_j_gray@yahoo.com (Allan J Gray) wrote:  A In all the replies so far, I haven't seen any comments on DECnet.e" A couple things to think about ...  ; - Make sure both machines are on the same ethernet segment, 9   with no routers between them ... or make sure that yourn7   backbone is routing DECnet packets (often not done inu   IP shops).  6 - Presumably both machines are correctly configured in:   DECnet and know about each other (each machine will have9   a DECnet address similar in concept to its IP address).l7   You may need to verify in NCP that the machines still-2   know about each other, since you may not have a ,   functioning DECnet router in your network.  :   ( you may be able to get some basic help with "help ncp"-     if the help files were installed, etc. ) c  6 - Good luck, there is a lot to know in maintaining VMS6   systems ... hope you got some documentation with the   old machines.h    	 > Hi All,  > D >  Heres my situation : - My company has just taken over the supportG > contract for a piece of software which runs on various platforms, one-E > them being VMS. The company which gave us the contract also gave usu > the hardware to support it.e >  > Hardware is :- > E > 1. A 'Digital DEC 3000' running 'OpenVMS AXP (TM) Operating System,1B > Version V6.1' which i have managed to connect to our IP EthernetG > network and configure so that we can telnet to the machine from a PC.a >  > Current Values are : - >  > IP Address   : 193.1.1.15  > Broadcast    : 193.1.1.255 > Subnet Mask  : 255.255.255.0 > Machine Name : TURNIPa > H > 2. A 'Digital VAXstation 3100' running 'VAX/VMS 5.4' which I have beenH > told cannot be connected directly to an IP network but must go via the@ > 'DEC 3000' box using something called DECnet to allow it to beH > telnetted to via an IP network. This machine also has a VT510 terminalA > connected to it which must be used to boot the 'VAXstation' up.  > G > This setup was previously working before at the other company but nowpF > that I have changed the IP setup on box number 1 box number I get anH > error which pops up now and again on box number 2. Please can somebodyH > help me to configure box number 2 with the IP address of 193.1.1.16 so@ > that I can telnet to it from a PC? The error which has started, > appearing on box number 2 is as follows: - > D > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM   31-MAY-2001 10:33:24.01 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user DECNET > DECnet event 4.10, circuit up ) > From node 1.1, 31-MAY-2001 :10:34.36.02M > Circuit SVA-0a > D > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM   31-MAY-2001 10:33:24.01 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user DECNET0 > DECnet event 4.10, circuit down, circuit fault) > From node 1.1, 31-MAY-2001 :10:34.36.023* > Circuit SVA-0, Line synchronization lost > H > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please bear in mind that I knowF > hardly anything about VMS, I only wish I had found this group when I8 > was trying to find out how to change bloody directory. > / > PS: the machine name for box number 2 is NEEPl > 
 > Regards. >  > Allan J Gray -- t< joe schneider,   university of washington,  seattle, wa, usa4 (To reply, please remove ".NoSpam" from my addresss)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 00:39:41 GMTs# From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net>o- Subject: Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :(M- Message-ID: <3B16E441.2D716498@earthlink.net>i   John Vottero wrote:A > N > It sounds like the VAX (NEEP) isn't running TCP/IP.  It's running DECnet butK > it seems to be having a hardware problem.  Check the Ethernet cables etc.uJ > Also, the 3100 has a small switch on the back that selects thick wire orL > thin wire.  The switch is a small square hole between the thick wire DB-15A > connector and the BNC connector.  The switch pushes in and out.c  K From experience and depending on the cause of the hardware trouble, cyclingtI the ethernet selector switch a few times can cure that problem with neep.w   -- Aaron Sliwinski   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 01:53:12 GMT # From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net>n- Subject: Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :(a- Message-ID: <3B16F587.445C6A57@earthlink.net>s  ) Forgot to mention, CMUIP can be found at:a  & http://conan.ids.net/~mikeu/tcpip.html   Plus links to FAQ, etc...e        
 ualski wrote:u  M > From experience and depending on the cause of the hardware trouble, cycling%K > the ethernet selector switch a few times can cure that problem with neep.  >  > -- Aaron Sliwinski   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:35:06 +1000/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>p- Subject: Re: VAX / VMS Novice Slits Wrists :(m/ Message-ID: <OOFR6.212$QW4.7678@ozemail.com.au>   ' why don't you type in (at the $ prompt)y show net /full and post the results hereC Phil8 "Allan J Gray" <allan_j_gray@yahoo.com> wrote in message6 news:38bc203c.0105310144.647eb00@posting.google.com...	 > Hi All,g >oD >  Heres my situation : - My company has just taken over the supportG > contract for a piece of software which runs on various platforms, onepE > them being VMS. The company which gave us the contract also gave us1 > the hardware to support it.5 >5 > Hardware is :- >iE > 1. A 'Digital DEC 3000' running 'OpenVMS AXP (TM) Operating System,rB > Version V6.1' which i have managed to connect to our IP EthernetG > network and configure so that we can telnet to the machine from a PC.  >s > Current Values are : - >t > IP Address   : 193.1.1.15t > Broadcast    : 193.1.1.255 > Subnet Mask  : 255.255.255.0 > Machine Name : TURNIPo > H > 2. A 'Digital VAXstation 3100' running 'VAX/VMS 5.4' which I have beenH > told cannot be connected directly to an IP network but must go via the@ > 'DEC 3000' box using something called DECnet to allow it to beH > telnetted to via an IP network. This machine also has a VT510 terminalA > connected to it which must be used to boot the 'VAXstation' up.c >oG > This setup was previously working before at the other company but noweF > that I have changed the IP setup on box number 1 box number I get anH > error which pops up now and again on box number 2. Please can somebodyH > help me to configure box number 2 with the IP address of 193.1.1.16 so@ > that I can telnet to it from a PC? The error which has started, > appearing on box number 2 is as follows: - > D > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM   31-MAY-2001 10:33:24.01 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user DECNET > DECnet event 4.10, circuit upt) > From node 1.1, 31-MAY-2001 :10:34.36.02  > Circuit SVA-0  >iD > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM   31-MAY-2001 10:33:24.01 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user DECNET0 > DECnet event 4.10, circuit down, circuit fault) > From node 1.1, 31-MAY-2001 :10:34.36.02 * > Circuit SVA-0, Line synchronization lost >-H > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please bear in mind that I knowF > hardly anything about VMS, I only wish I had found this group when I8 > was trying to find out how to change bloody directory. >r/ > PS: the machine name for box number 2 is NEEP> >o
 > Regards. >o > Allan J Gray.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:30:26 +0200c0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@compaq.com>  Subject: Re: vms Emulation on NT* Message-ID: <3B168DC2.D943E5E4@compaq.com>   Terry,  I CHARON-VAX is a VAX (V.A.X) emulator which emulates the VAX (v.a.x) chip.o   :-)i  M I did try to upgrade from my 6.2 CHARON-VAX-OpenVMS software to 7.2-1 via the P Alpha CD, I failed. It actually didn't see at boot time the CD, even editing the  config file charon.cfg that way:  < # Provided that 'E:' means CD-ROM drive, configure the drive? # as a DEC RRD45 CD ROM drive (uncomment and edit if necessary)  set DUA file[2]="\\.\E:"   D.   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:. > N > > is there any Open VMS Emulation for AXP available that runs under Windowns9 > > NT ? Is there any SAMBA for VMS under AXP available ?  > >f > 4 > closest thing I can think of is www.charon-vax.com   ------------------------------   Date: 31 May 2001 19:52 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)R Subject: Re: VMS mail problemD- Message-ID: <31MAY200119522308@gerg.tamu.edu>I  d In article <3b1528e5$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes...' }Guy Morris (guy@dateline.co.uk) wrote:d }  }>The reason I neednM }>to get it right is that I access the mails from a PC using Outlook Express,aL }>and it needs to see the count in order to access the mails that are there.5 }>Anybody got an idea how to reset the count upwards?_ } G }Demonstrably untrue.  Suppose I have no messages in the NEWMAIL folderOM }(hence, no NEWMAIL folder at all) and 50 messages in the MAIL folder.  I canrI }enter the commands SELECT MAIL and COPY/ALL NEWMAIL and I'll then have aaL }NEWMAIL folder containing 50 messages, none of which VMS Mail will claim toH }be new.  SHOW NEW_MAIL_COUNT will show zero.  Outlook Express, however,J }will, when I choose SEND/RECEIVE download them all as new mail.  How do I }know?  I do it all the time.t }--fB }Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com  H That doesn't mean that he can. Different POP servers behave differently,C especially if you have the set up to work differently. FOr example,oB the Multinet POP3 server's behavior in this reguard can be set via- a logical name (along with other properties):-   MULTINET     Logical_Names2       MULTINET_POPx_FLAGSa  E          Special POP2 and POP3 capabilities are indicated by each bits=          position in this logical value. Possible values are:   Q            1 - Read only messages from the NEWMAIL folder that are marked as new.nI            2 - Move messages from the NEWMAIL folder after they are read.aP            4 - Release the POP client before OpenVMS mailbox is actually closed.D           16 - Remove the "NODE::"  portion of the "From:"  address.?           32 - Save deleted messages in the folder specified byo)                MULTINET_POPx_DEST_FOLDER. C           64 - Build message headers from OpenVMS Mail "From" line. Q          128 - Compress mail box, but delete all versions of MAIL.OLD in the MAIL                 directory.   B          Combine values by adding the numeric values together. ForH          example, "7" enables values 1, 2, and 4. Set by the user or the          system manager.  H So if the logical name MULTINET_POP3_FLAGS has the first it set, it willH behave the way he sees it behaving. If it is not set, it will behave theD way you see it behaving. On my system I have it set to the value 23,C which is all of the first 4 options on the list. Thus, on my systemg  the behavior is as he describes.  B I would not be surprised if the other POP servers available on VMS have similar options.    --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 31 May 2001 18:52:37 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: VMS Musings, Message-ID: <9f63tm$sq7@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  t In article <fOjR6.12939$zl5.4564081@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:J >I paid a visit to Spit Brook today and had a meeting with the new OpenVMS, >boss, Mark Gorham. I came away feeling veryM >good about OpenVMS and Compaq's commitment thereto. The issues regarding the-( >free education license program have not >gone unnoticedK  K Too bad that "notice" never in any way equated with "resolved".  In my case H that whole fiasco definitely translated into one pissed off EX-customer.  = > and I wouldn't be surprised to see some improvements there.t  C "Too little, too late. Too little too late.  Too little, too late."s  H Bet you can hear that Compaq management mantra before your car even gets  into the Spit Brook parking lot.  M >And Mark's recent stint in the Global Services organization will prove quiteoF >valuable, as OpenVMS sales frequently have heavy services involvementH >(solution sales, a la IBM). Feedback from the recent Diamond Forums andK >Technical Updates has been excellent, and both Mark and Mary Ellen FortierPH >(the OpenVMS Marketing Director) are very supportive of these events. IF >think we'll see Compaq continue to adopt a more aggressive posture on                          ^^^^^^^^8 >OpenVMS marketing, messaging, and customer engagements.  I If what they've been doing is aggressive I'd hate to see passive. Perhaps.G Compaq should drop the term "CEO" and use "the hindmost" instead. (ReadM* "Ringworld" to understand the reference.)    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech bJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:02:59 -0400e5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>a Subject: Re: VMS Musings2 Message-ID: <FzwR6.897$fi2.24569@news.cpqcorp.net>  % Terry C. Shannon wrote in message ... # >I paid a visit to Spit Brook today0    @ I noticed the "Charlie Matco Was Here" note on my whiteboard ;-)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 00:45:47 +01001 From: "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk> $ Subject: Re: What does READ/NEW do ?A Message-ID: <991355308.28754.0.nnrp-14.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>X  E "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote in messagenD news:Pine.LNX.4.21.0105302257560.20387-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl...& > On Wed, 30 May 2001, JF Mezei wrote: >eK > >+Often, the "cure all" soution to MAIL problems is to issue the READ/NEWe command. > >+F > >+What exactly does this command do ?  Does it scan MAIL.MAI for any record thatTI > >+has the unread bit set and then write back the resulting cound in theC mail > >+profile data file ?y >e= >  Not exactly; ONLY if the resulting count in MAILUAF may go < > less to (lower to) 0 or no new mail (flagged as new) found/ > but the count is >0 - the count is corrected.s1 >  AFAIK & WithMyExperience limited, of course :)   G I dont think this quite works (well it is better than my first comment)   L Having many test systems that frequently get  *.MAI files deleted, the count remains incorrect.  = Only way I know to correct is to hack the central data file -pF VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA located in sys$system. There was freeware routineH (mailuaf ?) in the days of yore, but it is easier to hack the .DATA file	 directly.y   --
 Chris Townley, chris@townleyc.demon.co.uk townleyc@spicers.ltd.uks   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:41:36 GMTr' From: bad bob <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net> K Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS 6.2 support 18 & 36GB disks (slightly crooksided) 0 Message-ID: <3B16BD0A.2260171D@bellatlantic.net>   Ok Hoff, I can't resist:@ how can I increase the performance of Tim Stark's PDP10 emulator> or Bob Supnik's pdp10 emulator under Alpha VMS?  I am tired ofC all the AMD guys running Linux bragging how fast their installs arev# running when mine is not that fast.1 bad bob2   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:50:04 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)K Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS 6.2 support 18 & 36GB disks (slightly crooksided)42 Message-ID: <wUzR6.910$fi2.24861@news.cpqcorp.net>  Z In article <3B16BD0A.2260171D@bellatlantic.net>, bad bob <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net> writes: :Ok Hoff, I can't resist:oA :how can I increase the performance of Tim Stark's PDP10 emulator ? :or Bob Supnik's pdp10 emulator under Alpha VMS?  I am tired of D :all the AMD guys running Linux bragging how fast their installs are$ :running when mine is not that fast.  G   Try hosting the PDP10 emulator under the DECsystem 20 emulator, with tG   that emulator then hosted upon an OpenVMS Alpha system with with the  H   optional LSI-8 extensions loaded -- unlike the PDP10 emulator running G   directly on OpenVMS Alpha, the DECsystem 20 emulator can utilize the aD   LSI-8 extensions and thus avoids wasting the 28 bits, running two F   thirty-six bit words in the 72-bit environment.  Counterintuitively,G   this provides a higher-performance environment for the PDP10 emulatorcC   than running it directly in the OpenVMS Alpha 64-bit environment.y  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:34:06 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>" Subject: Re: Writing a MAIL scriptJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105312026200.25411-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  " On 29 May 2001, Chris Goudy wrote:  	 >+Hello, u >+Q >+I am hoping to write a Mail script that emails a user's Windows NT/Lotus Email wE >+box whenever a user emails a VMS account from a VAX/ALPHA terminal.d"                              *****  B  Due my bad English will re-check (excuse): you say "VMS user SEND* a mail" or "VMS user RECAIVES a message" ?  L >+What my problem is, is that I would like to capture whatever a user types.   ..looks like "when send mail"v  G >+so they run their email like normal and the whole time I'm capturing t >+everything they type.   =  Do you look for real-time capturing (why, if you say "mail")a8 OR you will only get a copy of what the users has sent ?=  You allow the fact that the user know that sends a copy (andn= will cooperate, means: some 'substitutes' or even CC: may be e: used) or you will "track" the user WITHOUT his knowledge ?    Be little more precise ! :)8 "what you ask is not neccessary the same, what you want" (or something like this)    Regards - Gotfryd   -- nE =====================================================================lF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEt. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:00:47 -0700e! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comh2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?D Message-ID: <OF92390AF2.F26B2395-ON88256A5D.0062DC6D@foundation.com>  J There's a story on www.theregister.co.uk today that suggests Microsoft are9 going to get away scot free in the appeal. I'm depressed.r   Shaneh          E Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>@k9.healthnet.com on 05/30/2001P 11:18:06 AM2  8 Please respond to Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>   Sent by:  prep@k9.healthnet.com      To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 cc:6  3 Subject:  Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?1    3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:u   > Simon Clubley wrote: > >,2 > > On Tue, 29 May 2001 14:15:11 -0500, in article <3B13F53F.4C55D9C9@fsi.net>, > > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > > D > > >Yes, certain benefits have been gained by playing ball with the RedmomdaI > > >bullies. Of late, however, their monopolistic tactics have become sorK > > >intolerable that even the Justice Department has seen fit to intervenef* > > >(much too little and years too late). > > >a > >r0 > > What is the current Microsoft v DOJ status ? > >eH > > I'm British and live in the UK, so I don't really know which way the current-H > > US administration is likely to go with this. I do know that prior to the USJ > > election, the feeling in this newsgroup was that a Bush administrationG > > would be less likely to continue with the action against Microsoft.d >iC > Experience with the "Dubbya" admin. tends to bear out the group'stF > initial take on the matter. He's a corporate lackey - period, end of > statement.   Yes, but who's?i  D > > Is this likely to still be the case or has the DOJ viewpoint not	 changed ?a >hG > The DOJ tends to be strongly influenced by the feelings of the gov't. 
 > leaders.  H DOJ is out of it. we are waiting for the judges to return their verdict. Or hell to freeze over.t   --< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,"   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:12:26 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?' Message-ID: <3B16979A.3EA1AFBB@fsi.net>c   Jordan Henderson wrote:  > ) > In article <3B14F209.C0A7D90C@fsi.net>,-2 > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > >Simon Clubley wrote:o > >>P > >> On Tue, 29 May 2001 14:15:11 -0500, in article <3B13F53F.4C55D9C9@fsi.net>, > >> David J. Dachtera wrote:u > >> >M > >> >Yes, certain benefits have been gained by playing ball with the RedmomdrJ > >> >bullies. Of late, however, their monopolistic tactics have become soL > >> >intolerable that even the Justice Department has seen fit to intervene+ > >> >(much too little and years too late).e > >> > > >>1 > >> What is the current Microsoft v DOJ status ?s > >>Q > >> I'm British and live in the UK, so I don't really know which way the current P > >> US administration is likely to go with this. I do know that prior to the USK > >> election, the feeling in this newsgroup was that a Bush administrationmH > >> would be less likely to continue with the action against Microsoft. > >lD > >Experience with the "Dubbya" admin. tends to bear out the group'sG > >initial take on the matter. He's a corporate lackey - period, end of2
 > >statement.  > >n > D > I try to avoid political discussions in this forum.  I don't think > people come here for this. > D > I can't let this stand unchallenged, however, because Mr. DachteraD > seems to have appointed himself spokesman for the group and deigns- > to give out our initial take on the matter.T  F Careful there! I was merely echoing Simon's assessment, and stating an opinion thereafter.t  C YMMV, as always, but Please! ...don't go putting words in my mouth.I  , (Subsequent political debate items deleted.)   --   David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged..   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:39:02 GMTO' From: bad bob <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net>%2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?/ Message-ID: <3B16BC70.C790115@bellatlantic.net>3   paybacks will come.  just wait for ie6.    " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > L > There's a story on www.theregister.co.uk today that suggests Microsoft are; > going to get away scot free in the appeal. I'm depressed.r >  > Shaneo > G > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>@k9.healthnet.com on 05/30/2001 
 > 11:18:06 AM  > : > Please respond to Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> > ! > Sent by:  prep@k9.healthnet.com0 >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComM > cc:c > 5 > Subject:  Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?3 > 5 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:A >  > > Simon Clubley wrote: > > > 4 > > > On Tue, 29 May 2001 14:15:11 -0500, in article > <3B13F53F.4C55D9C9@fsi.net>, > > > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > > >dF > > > >Yes, certain benefits have been gained by playing ball with the	 > RedmomdcK > > > >bullies. Of late, however, their monopolistic tactics have become so M > > > >intolerable that even the Justice Department has seen fit to intervene2, > > > >(much too little and years too late). > > > >  > > >e2 > > > What is the current Microsoft v DOJ status ? > > >iJ > > > I'm British and live in the UK, so I don't really know which way the	 > current J > > > US administration is likely to go with this. I do know that prior to > the USL > > > election, the feeling in this newsgroup was that a Bush administrationI > > > would be less likely to continue with the action against Microsoft.t > ><E > > Experience with the "Dubbya" admin. tends to bear out the group'soH > > initial take on the matter. He's a corporate lackey - period, end of > > statement. >  > Yes, but who's?  > F > > > Is this likely to still be the case or has the DOJ viewpoint not > changed ?d > > I > > The DOJ tends to be strongly influenced by the feelings of the gov't.u > > leaders. > J > DOJ is out of it. we are waiting for the judges to return their verdict. > Or hell to freeze over.  >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.LB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.J > Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,$ >   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 00:48:13 +0200n) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>h2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?, Message-ID: <3B16CA2D.4E427A74@infopuls.com>   bad bob wrote: >  > paybacks will come.r > just wait for ie6. > $ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > >hN > > There's a story on www.theregister.co.uk today that suggests Microsoft are= > > going to get away scot free in the appeal. I'm depressed.y > > 	 > > Shane  > >sI > > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>@k9.healthnet.com on 05/30/2001n > > 11:18:06 AMt > >W< > > Please respond to Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> > >f# > > Sent by:  prep@k9.healthnet.com  > >a > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc > > cc:o > >e7 > > Subject:  Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?h > >D7 > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:v > >e > > > Simon Clubley wrote: > > > >b6 > > > > On Tue, 29 May 2001 14:15:11 -0500, in article  > > <3B13F53F.4C55D9C9@fsi.net>,  > > > > David J. Dachtera wrote:	 > > > > >mH > > > > >Yes, certain benefits have been gained by playing ball with the > > RedmomdoM > > > > >bullies. Of late, however, their monopolistic tactics have become so O > > > > >intolerable that even the Justice Department has seen fit to intervenes. > > > > >(much too little and years too late).	 > > > > >h > > > >r4 > > > > What is the current Microsoft v DOJ status ? > > > >sL > > > > I'm British and live in the UK, so I don't really know which way the > > currentlL > > > > US administration is likely to go with this. I do know that prior to
 > > the USN > > > > election, the feeling in this newsgroup was that a Bush administrationK > > > > would be less likely to continue with the action against Microsoft.- > > >aG > > > Experience with the "Dubbya" admin. tends to bear out the group'sMJ > > > initial take on the matter. He's a corporate lackey - period, end of > > > statement. > >. > > Yes, but who's?h > >eH > > > > Is this likely to still be the case or has the DOJ viewpoint not
 > > changed ?o > > >rK > > > The DOJ tends to be strongly influenced by the feelings of the gov't.a > > > leaders. > >oL > > DOJ is out of it. we are waiting for the judges to return their verdict. > > Or hell to freeze over.  > >n > > --@ > > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,; > > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.sD > >                                              West Australia 60762 > > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.L > > Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,& > >   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov  ; What we need is a behavioural code like the high society ine Italy has against the Mafia.  $ 1.Don't use products from Micro$hit.= 2.Don't use products that are produced with help of Micro$hite	 products.i? 3.Don't deal with companies that don't adhere to rules 1 and 2. 8 4.Don't do any business which will put money directly or# indirectly into Micro$hits pockets.k  = I know that it is very hard to do business according to these'? rules. But we have to start somewhere. And I would also include 5 the same set of rules with Intel replacing Micro$hit.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:01:39 -0700I! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.como2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?D Message-ID: <OF67D30D82.1FD54366-ON88256A5D.007E6011@foundation.com>  G You always were a bit of a dreamer, Christof. That's a good one though.t  G Incidentally, I just discovered they're integrating Media Player 8 with*5 Windows XP. Anyone else having a Nutscrape flashback?    ShaneR          = Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> on 05/31/2001 03:48:13 PM*  5 Please respond to Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>-   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, cc:a  3 Subject:  Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?o     bad bob wrote: >  > paybacks will come.s > just wait for ie6. >f$ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > >nJ > > There's a story on www.theregister.co.uk today that suggests Microsoft are = > > going to get away scot free in the appeal. I'm depressed.- > >-	 > > Shane- > > I > > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>@k9.healthnet.com on 05/30/2001d > > 11:18:06 AMj > >R< > > Please respond to Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> > >d# > > Sent by:  prep@k9.healthnet.comd > >i > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm > > cc:e > >e7 > > Subject:  Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?s > >p7 > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > >f > > > Simon Clubley wrote: > > > >r6 > > > > On Tue, 29 May 2001 14:15:11 -0500, in article  > > <3B13F53F.4C55D9C9@fsi.net>,  > > > > David J. Dachtera wrote:	 > > > > > H > > > > >Yes, certain benefits have been gained by playing ball with the > > RedmomdrJ > > > > >bullies. Of late, however, their monopolistic tactics have become soE > > > > >intolerable that even the Justice Department has seen fit to 	 intervenen. > > > > >(much too little and years too late).	 > > > > >e > > > >e4 > > > > What is the current Microsoft v DOJ status ? > > > >eH > > > > I'm British and live in the UK, so I don't really know which way the. > > currenteI > > > > US administration is likely to go with this. I do know that prior  to
 > > the US? > > > > election, the feeling in this newsgroup was that a Bushr administrationK > > > > would be less likely to continue with the action against Microsoft.e > > > G > > > Experience with the "Dubbya" admin. tends to bear out the group'ssJ > > > initial take on the matter. He's a corporate lackey - period, end of > > > statement. > >e > > Yes, but who's?j > >RH > > > > Is this likely to still be the case or has the DOJ viewpoint not
 > > changed ?. > > >DK > > > The DOJ tends to be strongly influenced by the feelings of the gov't.m > > > leaders. > >DC > > DOJ is out of it. we are waiting for the judges to return theiri verdict. > > Or hell to freeze over.b > >n > > --@ > > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,; > > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.0D > >                                              West Australia 60762 > > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. > > Spam-To:? uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov, & > >   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov  ; What we need is a behavioural code like the high society in  Italy has against the Mafia.  $ 1.Don't use products from Micro$hit.= 2.Don't use products that are produced with help of Micro$hit 	 products.o? 3.Don't deal with companies that don't adhere to rules 1 and 2.l8 4.Don't do any business which will put money directly or# indirectly into Micro$hits pockets.y  = I know that it is very hard to do business according to thesen? rules. But we have to start somewhere. And I would also included5 the same set of rules with Intel replacing Micro$hit.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.301 ************************  