1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 01 Jun 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 302       Contents:, Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun, Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun, Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun, Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun 10 vs 100 Mb ethernet on xp1000 # Re: 10 vs 100 Mb ethernet on xp1000 # Re: 10 vs 100 Mb ethernet on xp1000  10 vs 100 Mb ethernet on xp1000 % Advice on configuring a DECServer 300 ) Re: Advice on configuring a DECServer 300 & Re: Alphaserver 300 and OpenVMS V7.2-1: Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access: Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access: Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access! Re: Any DECforms users out there? $ Re: Anyone know what happened to OMI' Availability Manager V2.0 now available  Re: disk benchmarking  Re: disk benchmarking  Re: disk benchmarking  Re: disk benchmarking  RE: Emacs on VMS RE: Emacs on VMS Re: Emacs on VMS8 Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)8 Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)8 Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)8 Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)> FILESERV: Added OMI (was Re: Anyone know what happened to OMI). Function to measure time for command execution2 Re: Function to measure time for command execution@ Re: How do I make DECwindows see the Gloria Synergy on my DS20E?@ Re: How do I make DECwindows see the Gloria Synergy on my DS20E?@ Re: How do I make DECwindows see the Gloria Synergy on my DS20E?& Re: How to config and start decnet OSI& Re: How to config and start decnet OSI& Re: How to config and start decnet OSIP Re: HOW to config and start decnet. was( Can't SET HOST to clustermemberADDENDUM ICC and Memory Channel Re: ICC and Memory Channel Re: ICC and Memory Channel Re: ICC and Memory ChannelP Re: Mozilla 0.9 - Command procedure used as CGI is displayed, not executed. exec# Open RMS files from DCL via TCP/IP? ' Re: Open RMS files from DCL via TCP/IP? ' Re: Open RMS files from DCL via TCP/IP? 0 Re: OpenVMS VAX V7.2, DECnet-plus and DNVOSIECO3 Oxygen VX1 Video and Alpha PWS" Re: Oxygen VX1 Video and Alpha PWS" RE: Oxygen VX1 Video and Alpha PWS" Re: Oxygen VX1 Video and Alpha PWS" Re: Oxygen VX1 Video and Alpha PWS3 Re: Pathworks V5.0F ECO2+W2Kpatch  W2K+SP2 problems 3 Re: Pathworks V5.0F ECO2+W2Kpatch  W2K+SP2 problems  Re: PCSI and Account creation.& Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?& Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?  Re: Reading RMS index file on PC. Self-maintenance of legacy DEC products - HELPP Re: Serious offer. This is not ordinary offer as many in Internet. The New Way I6 Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression options Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  RE: The future of VMS  RE: The future of VMS  RE: The future of VMS  RE: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS ( To Hoff Hoffman, VMS Mail (SMTP)  wishes, Re: To Hoff Hoffman, VMS Mail (SMTP)  wishes, Re: To Hoff Hoffman, VMS Mail (SMTP)  wishes+ Re: To Hoff Hoffman, VMS Mail (SMTP) wishes  University in USA  Re: University in USA  RE: University in USA ( Re: Voice-Modem under VMS: Any Feedback? Re: What does READ/NEW do ?  Re: What does READ/NEW do ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 12:30:12 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun * Message-ID: <3B177CC4.E0BB99C3@uk.sun.com>   Christof Brass wrote:  >  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > >  > > It was written...  > > & > > > > > Sun buying Compaq, unlikely. > > > > O > > > > Why not ? Sun would be able to cannabalise Compaq's microsoft alliances  > > and P > > > > operations and focus on *real* enterprise solutions. It would be a major > > kickJ > > > > in the ass to Bill Gates since Compaq would then become a rival to > > Microsoft. > > > > P > > > > Sun would gain access to Alpha which it could market (and use on its ownN > > > > systems) and show a clear lead in technology over those that are based > > on, > > > > Intel's delayed 64 bit architecture. > > N > > Truth be told, Digital ported Solaris to Alpha back in the mid-90s just toO > > prove it could be done. And there were 1995 backchannel discussions between I > > the two vendors re: Digital adopting--and enhancing--Solaris, and Sun  > > adopting Alpha.  > A > This really makes sense. The UltraSPARC is ultra slow and ultra > > expensive. I don't know if there is a chip around with lower > performance/price ratio. >   . Really and how did you reach this interesting   but unsupportable conclusion ???  / As you know perfectly well the opposite is the  , case, UltraSPARC isn't ultra slow and it is  also not ultra expensive.   2 If you are looking for the holder of the UltraSlow4 UltraExpensive titles you need look no further than  the Alpha.    * From a workstation standpoint Compaq seem ) unable to build any form of AlphaStation  . that can compete price wise with a SunBlade1003 and while it may not be as fast as the lowest cost  2 D machine its bigger brother the SunBlade 1000 is & and it is also very price competitive.  0 In the server space Compaq have one competitive 2 system the ES40 which keeps the rest from sinking.  2 But above it the GS160/320 have proven themselves 2 to be overpriced and under powered, while below it5 Compaq don't produce anything that competes with the  / Netra range from Sun or for that matter the HP   A series machines.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:20:49 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> 5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun , Message-ID: <3B1788A1.FE0854A8@infopuls.com>   andrew harrison wrote: >  > Christof Brass wrote:  > >  > > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > > >  > > > It was written...  > > > ( > > > > > > Sun buying Compaq, unlikely.	 > > > > > Q > > > > > Why not ? Sun would be able to cannabalise Compaq's microsoft alliances 	 > > > and R > > > > > operations and focus on *real* enterprise solutions. It would be a major
 > > > kickL > > > > > in the ass to Bill Gates since Compaq would then become a rival to > > > Microsoft.	 > > > > > R > > > > > Sun would gain access to Alpha which it could market (and use on its ownP > > > > > systems) and show a clear lead in technology over those that are based > > > on. > > > > > Intel's delayed 64 bit architecture. > > > P > > > Truth be told, Digital ported Solaris to Alpha back in the mid-90s just toQ > > > prove it could be done. And there were 1995 backchannel discussions between K > > > the two vendors re: Digital adopting--and enhancing--Solaris, and Sun  > > > adopting Alpha.  > > C > > This really makes sense. The UltraSPARC is ultra slow and ultra @ > > expensive. I don't know if there is a chip around with lower > > performance/price ratio. > >  > / > Really and how did you reach this interesting " > but unsupportable conclusion ???  @ Very simple: praxis. If we look around what we pay for computing> power delivered at screen, keyboard and mouse there is nothing< which led us buy any SUN product. I'm not talking about some7 benchmarks, I'm talking about what our applications and ? customers see at delivered computing power. And the price range > for the UltraSPARC III processor is simply spoken illusionary.   [SNIP]   1 > In the server space Compaq have one competitive 4 > system the ES40 which keeps the rest from sinking.  > That's right - there is practially nothing from SUN, HP or IBM@ to compete with this. BTW the PowerPC is also not very fast, but the UltraSPARC is ultraslower.   [SNIP]   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:24:09 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun * Message-ID: <3B179779.BE902806@uk.sun.com>   Christof Brass wrote:  >  > andrew harrison wrote: > >  > > Christof Brass wrote:  > > >  > > > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > > > >  > > > > It was written...  > > > > * > > > > > > > Sun buying Compaq, unlikely. > > > > > > S > > > > > > Why not ? Sun would be able to cannabalise Compaq's microsoft alliances  > > > > and T > > > > > > operations and focus on *real* enterprise solutions. It would be a major > > > > kickN > > > > > > in the ass to Bill Gates since Compaq would then become a rival to > > > > Microsoft. > > > > > > T > > > > > > Sun would gain access to Alpha which it could market (and use on its ownR > > > > > > systems) and show a clear lead in technology over those that are based
 > > > > on0 > > > > > > Intel's delayed 64 bit architecture. > > > > R > > > > Truth be told, Digital ported Solaris to Alpha back in the mid-90s just toS > > > > prove it could be done. And there were 1995 backchannel discussions between M > > > > the two vendors re: Digital adopting--and enhancing--Solaris, and Sun  > > > > adopting Alpha.  > > > E > > > This really makes sense. The UltraSPARC is ultra slow and ultra B > > > expensive. I don't know if there is a chip around with lower > > > performance/price ratio. > > >  > > 1 > > Really and how did you reach this interesting $ > > but unsupportable conclusion ??? > B > Very simple: praxis. If we look around what we pay for computing@ > power delivered at screen, keyboard and mouse there is nothing> > which led us buy any SUN product. I'm not talking about some9 > benchmarks, I'm talking about what our applications and A > customers see at delivered computing power. And the price range @ > for the UltraSPARC III processor is simply spoken illusionary. >   8 Itf that is really your criteria for selecting a system ' then why do you continue to buy Alphas.   6 On actual applications benchmarks like SAP and Oracle 9 apps Alphas have in the past and do currently suck rocks  ; both in terms of actual performance and in terms of price,  $ with the sole exception of the ES40.  7 On the other hand Alpha systems have always given great 6 SPECint and SPECfp and Compaq and before them Digital : majored on those two measures as a method for determining 7 Alphas peformance superiority. The fact that they have  9 had to rely almost exclusively on these two measures and  / almost nothing else rather ruins your argument.    regards  > [SNIP] > 3 > > In the server space Compaq have one competitive 6 > > system the ES40 which keeps the rest from sinking. > @ > That's right - there is practially nothing from SUN, HP or IBMB > to compete with this. BTW the PowerPC is also not very fast, but  > the UltraSPARC is ultraslower. >  > [SNIP]   --   Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:07:11 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun , Message-ID: <3B17CBBC.D2253C42@videotron.ca>   Christof Brass wrote: @ > That's right - there is practially nothing from SUN, HP or IBMB > to compete with this. BTW the PowerPC is also not very fast, but  > the UltraSPARC is ultraslower.  J Consider that the 8086 game controller was able to win over the world, wasL beefed up to a point where it rivals the Alpha in performance.  Dismissing aL company or product line because of its chip architecture is very dangerous.   L Digital dismissed the PC as a competitor and focused only on IBM mainframes.I It got killed by that lowly 8086 (thanks to "inspiration technology" that  Intel got from the Alpha).  K Who cares if Sun's architecture is not as great and fancy as Alpha's ? They J have market share, they are the leader and they have all the applications.M Compaq is an also-ran with its Alpha, struggling to be noticed by the market.   L Sun has the guts to combat Microsoft and Intel. Compaq doesn't. I don't knowN how much money Digital-Compaq wasted on the Wildfire stuff, but in my opinion,L designing a cheap motherboard to tackle the high end PCs and low end serversJ would have been money that was much better spent because that is where the market growth is happening.   K It seems that Sun understands this. Don't underestimate them. And you can't M blame Sun for Alpha's problems. Blame Digital and Compaq. It is a competitive = world and the one who doesn't fight is the first one to sink.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 JUN 2001 15:13:39 GMT + From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> ( Subject: 10 vs 100 Mb ethernet on xp10001 Message-ID: <1JUN01.15133957@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>   I I just installed a new XP1000 into a cluster (replacing an older system). I It's running 7.2-1 with the VMS721_UPDATE V2.0 patch, plus other patches. F It's a few K miles away so I can't see the console.  I also don't knowE much about its physical characteristics except what I can see through G various VMS tools.  (All that's by way of excusing the somewhat inexact " description of the problem below.)  H The ethernet mode (ewa0_mode) is set to auto-negotiate.  When the systemE is powered up it negotiates 100Mb, full-duplex.  Apparently, when VMS F starts it renegotiates to 10Mb.  That's based on the report of someoneD sitting at the console.  We, obviously, want a 100Mb connection.  WeH tried setting ewa0_mode at the console to fast, full-duplex (or whateverG the appropriate value is, I'm not sure what the exact terminology is on E an XP1000), but that didn't work - the hub on the remote end wouldn't  talk to the XP1000 at all.   My questions are:   $ Why would VMS renegotiate the speed?  ( Can I force the 100Mb speed?  If so how?  8 How can I determine the ethernet speed setting from VMS?  0 What other info do I need to solve this problem?   Thanks,  Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:49:55 -05001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> , Subject: Re: 10 vs 100 Mb ethernet on xp10008 Message-ID: <9f8dj8$8u4$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  K Don't have a XP1000 but we've run into similar problems on our network with K Alpha boxes.  Auto_negotiate with switched networks seems to be part of the ' problem, at least with DE500 type NICs.   . You can run $mc lancp once VMS is started and:  5 lancp> set device ewa0: with /full_dup and /speed=100    that seems to work for us.  ' Can't say why VMS changes this for you.    Dave...   8 "Dave Greenwood" <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote in message+ news:1JUN01.15133957@feda01.fed.ornl.gov... K > I just installed a new XP1000 into a cluster (replacing an older system). K > It's running 7.2-1 with the VMS721_UPDATE V2.0 patch, plus other patches. H > It's a few K miles away so I can't see the console.  I also don't knowG > much about its physical characteristics except what I can see through I > various VMS tools.  (All that's by way of excusing the somewhat inexact $ > description of the problem below.) > J > The ethernet mode (ewa0_mode) is set to auto-negotiate.  When the systemG > is powered up it negotiates 100Mb, full-duplex.  Apparently, when VMS H > starts it renegotiates to 10Mb.  That's based on the report of someoneF > sitting at the console.  We, obviously, want a 100Mb connection.  WeJ > tried setting ewa0_mode at the console to fast, full-duplex (or whateverI > the appropriate value is, I'm not sure what the exact terminology is on G > an XP1000), but that didn't work - the hub on the remote end wouldn't  > talk to the XP1000 at all. >  > My questions are:  > & > Why would VMS renegotiate the speed? > * > Can I force the 100Mb speed?  If so how? > : > How can I determine the ethernet speed setting from VMS? > 2 > What other info do I need to solve this problem? > 	 > Thanks,  > Dave > --------------; > Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV J > Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 12:10:56 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>, Subject: Re: 10 vs 100 Mb ethernet on xp1000+ Message-ID: <3B17BE8F.3F59478C@bigfoot.com>   A To see what it is set to in VMS type $MCR LANCP SHOW DEV/ALL/CHARoI When are you getting the message about the speed?  Does sit say somethinga likeM "blah blah speed set by console " early in the boot sequence?  Make sure thateL your switch port is set to do 100/Full and that it is set accordingly on the console of the VMS machine.g   HM   Dave Greenwood wrote:i  K > I just installed a new XP1000 into a cluster (replacing an older system). K > It's running 7.2-1 with the VMS721_UPDATE V2.0 patch, plus other patches.fH > It's a few K miles away so I can't see the console.  I also don't knowG > much about its physical characteristics except what I can see throughoI > various VMS tools.  (All that's by way of excusing the somewhat inexactb$ > description of the problem below.) > J > The ethernet mode (ewa0_mode) is set to auto-negotiate.  When the systemG > is powered up it negotiates 100Mb, full-duplex.  Apparently, when VMSVH > starts it renegotiates to 10Mb.  That's based on the report of someoneF > sitting at the console.  We, obviously, want a 100Mb connection.  WeJ > tried setting ewa0_mode at the console to fast, full-duplex (or whateverI > the appropriate value is, I'm not sure what the exact terminology is onuG > an XP1000), but that didn't work - the hub on the remote end wouldn'ts > talk to the XP1000 at all. >0 > My questions are:  >w& > Why would VMS renegotiate the speed? > * > Can I force the 100Mb speed?  If so how? >e: > How can I determine the ethernet speed setting from VMS? >o2 > What other info do I need to solve this problem? > 	 > Thanks,t > Dave > --------------; > Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV J > Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:05:47 -0700 (PDT)s  From: l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com( Subject: 10 vs 100 Mb ethernet on xp1000. Message-ID: <01060109054774@lto.locktrack.com>  & > Why would VMS renegotiate the speed?  H Having recently shot-self-in-foot WRT this kind of thing, it seems to meH that the most likely reason why VMS might renegotiate the Ether-speed isJ that it's seeing an external/other-network device, like a hub or a switch,J which is the real "weak link" for either speed, full/half-duplex, or both,I and the Alpha-box is simply matching-up accordingly.  *Finding* it is theO challenge.  ;-)e  H We've suffered this behavior as we've hooked our VMS systems to NT-basedK firewalls and the existing internal network (not in our control) within ourdJ new organization. Lots of surprises, not all of them pleasant, nor can you# always "do some- thing" about them.u  * > Can I force the 100Mb speed?  If so how?  > Dave G.'s answer using LANCP is right, from the VMS-is-up end.F You can also set ewa-0 speed and duplex from the console-prompt ">>>",B which makes that setting "permanent" in the box's EPROM (until youC change it again).  But I don't know that this "defeats" any renego-o= tiation that the box thinks it must do re: the above comment.   : > How can I determine the ethernet speed setting from VMS?  < Again, LANCP is your friend... LANCP> SHOW DEVICE EWA0 /CHAR> gives you a summary... see the last four lines of its display.  
 cordially,   Lorin Ricker   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:53:17 -0500-+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>-. Subject: Advice on configuring a DECServer 300L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1EC5@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>  
 Hi everybody,r  C I've just gotten a DECServer 300 terminal server yesterday. (Thanksa Alphaman! :)  $ The configuration is now as follows:  G VAXStation 3100 (VMS 7.2, DECNet phase V, DEC TCPIP services [whichever = version came on the hobbyist media -- don't recall], TSM 2.1)i  K This VAX is connected via co-axial ethernet to a Cableltron repeater (which I I use to translate coax to 10-base-t), and from there to a 10-base-t hub.s  J The DECServer 300 is plugged into the same hub, and has a terminal plugged into port 1.  K Link lights look good on all transceivers (that is, on the repeater -- bothsH sides -- and on the transceiver plugged into the DECServer.), and on the hub.  E After installing TSM on the VAX, I ran TSM and added an entry for theoI terminal server, which (for lack of a better name) I've called FALCON.  I 5 also set the MOP *mumble* flag in its entry to "YES."h  J Now the DECServer still doesn't seem to get any response from the VAX when( it's sending out a request for an image.  H There is no routing, or funny stuff on the network, so for now I've beenK assuming that's ok.  I could take the repeater out of the configuration (IthJ would mean digging up a transceiver and plugging the VAX directly into theG hub) if it's needed, but my first guess is that this isn't the problem.a  I My impression was that TSM was supposed to, once installed, MOP-boot yourlH terminal servers for you.  Is that not the case -- or have I missed someH obvious step in the process?  It's possible I'm wrong.  Reading Compaq's5 web-site is still somewhat like reading tea leaves...w  > Might TSM not like VMS 7.2, DECNet Phase-V, or something else?  F Lastly, if/when I can get it working, what should I expect from it?  ID wasn't able to find much information on the hardware yesterday.  I'mK specifically interested to know if it can do both incoming (like a printer,tD for instance...) and outgoing (normal terminal service) connections.  3 I would appreciate any help I can get with this. :)t   Thanks,i   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developere Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");- '-  -   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:30:35 -0400o( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>2 Subject: Re: Advice on configuring a DECServer 300+ Message-ID: <3B17D13A.1A795F17@bigfoot.com>   N Issue the REPLY/ENABLE=NETWORK command on VMS to help you see what's happeningH from the term server (you should at least see the request to be downlineM loaded).  As far as operation of the 300 is concerned, IIRC just set the baud L rate on the port that you want and attach a terminal and you should be fine.I As far as printing goes, there are some setting for the port to which yousE attach the printer, but I forget what they are(I think one of them is J REMOTE?).  Then start LAT on the VMS machine and create an LTA device from7 LATCP.  Then create your print queue using this device.h   HM   Christopher Smith wrote:   > Hi everybody,  >eE > I've just gotten a DECServer 300 terminal server yesterday. (Thanksp > Alphaman! :) >p& > The configuration is now as follows: > I > VAXStation 3100 (VMS 7.2, DECNet phase V, DEC TCPIP services [whichever ? > version came on the hobbyist media -- don't recall], TSM 2.1)n >uM > This VAX is connected via co-axial ethernet to a Cableltron repeater (whichsK > I use to translate coax to 10-base-t), and from there to a 10-base-t hub.  >hL > The DECServer 300 is plugged into the same hub, and has a terminal plugged > into port 1. > M > Link lights look good on all transceivers (that is, on the repeater -- bothaJ > sides -- and on the transceiver plugged into the DECServer.), and on the > hub. > G > After installing TSM on the VAX, I ran TSM and added an entry for the K > terminal server, which (for lack of a better name) I've called FALCON.  Iu7 > also set the MOP *mumble* flag in its entry to "YES."p >eL > Now the DECServer still doesn't seem to get any response from the VAX when* > it's sending out a request for an image. > J > There is no routing, or funny stuff on the network, so for now I've beenM > assuming that's ok.  I could take the repeater out of the configuration (It,L > would mean digging up a transceiver and plugging the VAX directly into theI > hub) if it's needed, but my first guess is that this isn't the problem.. >pK > My impression was that TSM was supposed to, once installed, MOP-boot yourgJ > terminal servers for you.  Is that not the case -- or have I missed someJ > obvious step in the process?  It's possible I'm wrong.  Reading Compaq's7 > web-site is still somewhat like reading tea leaves...  > @ > Might TSM not like VMS 7.2, DECNet Phase-V, or something else? > H > Lastly, if/when I can get it working, what should I expect from it?  IF > wasn't able to find much information on the hardware yesterday.  I'mM > specifically interested to know if it can do both incoming (like a printer,tF > for instance...) and outgoing (normal terminal service) connections. > 5 > I would appreciate any help I can get with this. :)  >l	 > Thanks,n >s > Chriso > # > Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  > Amdocs - Champaign, IL >  > /usr/bin/perl -e 'A > print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  > '  >t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:16:32 -0400, From: "J. Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com>/ Subject: Re: Alphaserver 300 and OpenVMS V7.2-1 2 Message-ID: <sNKR6.3660$Mb7.297862@brie.direct.ca>   Everything is finally working.  I It appears that this ISA card must be device 0 in slot 1.  This gets pastn the configuration phase.  8 As for DECWindows - for some reaon, DECW$LOGINOUT in the2 CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[BIN] directory was missing!!!  E No idea how that happened (blush), but now that I've copied that file?' from my new system, everything is okay.r  = Note: I once changed the device name from ISA--VGA to Mach64.oA This also got past the configuration phase.  I have not yet tried  it with DECWindows.    Thanks to all who commented: Scooth    @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:m7wR6.893$fi2.24344@news.cpqcorp.net...I > Hmmm.  Edit SYS$CONFIG.DAT and make sure that there is nothing in therer foraK > the Mach64.  Remove it if there is.  The debug -1 should cause a bunch ofa' > stuff to print on the serial console.aI > You might also set WSMAX to something small, to see if maybe there is ae > fluid page count problem.  >t >s > ) > The ISA card wants a 8mb address window4 > % > J. Scott Greig wrote in message ...a > > C > >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message / > >news:EQQQ6.800$fi2.20419@news.cpqcorp.net...eL > >> 1) I assume you have an ISA config setting with ISA--VGA as the handle. > >        Correct.o > >>C > >> 2) I assume that this system booted V6.2 WITH THE IDENTICAL HW  > >CONFIGURATIONJ > >        Not quite. The original system had only 64 MB memory.  When one of > >the banks "broke",tH > >        field service replaced the 32MB bank with a 128MB bank, hence > 160MB. > >However,eI > >        apart from the memory diffference, V6.2 and V7.1 (with all the  Y2Ks > >patches)  ran on this# > >        identical configuration.r > >>I > >> 3) The 1.6GB of memory seems quite a bit for this little system - is0 that: > >> much supported on it?  Was it in the machine on V6.2? > >        See above.r > >>8 > >> 5) I assume you have **NO** ISA configuration file. > >       Correcto > >>L > >> 6) Edit the file DECW$AUTOCONFIG.DAT and add something at the top like: > >> > >> DEBUG = -1e > >>F > >> (at least I think that's the syntax)  and boot the system from an > >alternate" > >> console and see what you get. > >oB > >    I editted (created) DECW$USER_AUTOCONFIG.DAT with DEBUG=-1,J > >    and experienced no differences - i.e. the DECWindows server processJ > >    hangs (or more precisely, probably) loops (status= COM) at priority 6. > >IK > >    I believe that something is "missing" in the configuration step i.e.n	 > >when I L > >    boot minimum using the graphics console, I can log in at the graphicsI > >    console.  When I do SYSMAN> IO AUTO, the console "hangs" (i.e. seet2 > >    the original note about the top line &etc.) > >hL > >    Certainly, if something is wrong during configuration, I would expect4 > >    problems with DECWindows attempting to start. > >  > >    Any other thoughts? > >o > >    Scott > >>( > >> J. Scott Greig wrote in message ... > >> >E > >> >"Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 2 > >> >news:w%xO6.609$fi2.15159@news.cpqcorp.net...H > >> >> In article <OhvO6.75$Mb7.10326@brie.direct.ca>, "J. Scott Greig"# > >> ><jsgreig@geminaq.com> writes:  > >> >> L > >> >> :When attempting to install VMS V7.2-1 on an Alphaserver 300 (4/266)H > >> >> :the system "hangs" while configuring the graphics adapter.  The
 > >adapter, > >> >> :in question is an ATI MACH64 (ISA). > >> >>oH > >> >>   The ISA version?  AFAIK, that widget was comparatively rare on > >OpenVMS.0J > >> >>   AFAIK, you can have only one of these ISA widgets installed, and you(
 > >> >needB > >> >>   to be very careful about ISA physical address assignment collisions.r > >> >I > >> >I don't think that there is an addressing conflict- the same system 	 > >workedi > >> >fine under> > >> >prior versions of VMS (6.2 and 7.1 with all Y2K patches) > >> > > >> >>oG > >> >> :The 7.2-1 CD-ROM will boot when using a serial console, and sohJ > >> >> :VMS can get installed, but attempting to boot the newly installedH > >> >> :software (as yet, unconfigured for DECnet, TCP/IP &etc.), usingI > >> >> :the graphics console, and logging into the system using a serialt0 > >> >> :port, DECwindows server process is COM. > >> >> G > >> >>   Boot off the serial console, install any available DECwindows  Motifr > >ECOG > >> >>   kit (availability is dependant on which version of DECwindows  Motifd > >youJ > >> >>   have), and install the OpenVMS ECO kits (all mandatory kits, and thesI > >> >>   GRAPHICS kit), and check the DECW*.LOG files, and make sure youe have, > >> >>   enough physical memory configured. > >> >L > >> >Done.  The graphics terminal hangs during the configuration portion of > >> >startup.L > >> >That is: after loading the bootstrap image, we get the startup herald, > >thenL > >> >afterDK > >> >the network device is configured (EWA0 in this case), when the screena > >> >normallyL > >> >"changes modes" (?), instead of the normal "console" screen, the first > >> >three-J > >> >quarters of the top line on the monitor switch from white letters on > blueH > >> >background to red letters on a black background.  After this, whenL > >> >DECWindows tries to start up, the server process DECW$SERVER_0 "hangs"I > >> >(state is COM), and the monitor, keyboard and mouse do not respond.e > >> >K > >> >Crashing the server process yields nothing but empty DECW*.LOG files.tE > >> >The system has 160MB of memory (don't ask how that happened :))a > >> >H > >> >Is it possible that this ISA device is no-longer supported, or, at > least,	 > >> >waslI > >> >missed during the 7.2 release? (note: 7.1 CD boots, neither 7.2 norr > 7.2-1 
 > >> >can) > >> >? > >> >Or, can someone give me a work-around (like something fors > >> >SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT)?? > >> > > >> >Regards, > >> >Scott  > >> > > >> >>p. > >> >>  ---------------------------- #include- > >> ><rtfaq.h> -----------------------------y; > >> >>       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --l > >> www.openvms.compaq.comt2 > >> >>  --------------------------- pure personal) > >> >opinion ---------------------------M7 > >> >>    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringo  > >> >hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com > >> >>  > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >o > >W >o >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:48:03 +0100e0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>C Subject: Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access1* Message-ID: <3B1772E3.9DA4E9AE@uk.sun.com>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > M > The Reg already printed a retraction. Apparently yes it is policy, but it's G > not cost cutting. Every year they try to clear some bandwidth for the & > duration of a regular traffic spike. > L > Incidentally, didn't I hear Sun just reduced their Q4 earnings estimate byJ > a significant amount? I didn't catch the whole story on the news, so I'mI > not going to comment without proper data to base it on. I wonder if you 0 > could enlighten us with the official Sun line? >   5 We did the text of our announcment is in most of the . online news sites.   Regards  Andrew Harrison0 Enterprise IT ArchitectF   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:53:07 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>tC Subject: Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet accesso2 Message-ID: <DmLR6.924$fi2.25005@news.cpqcorp.net>  B andrew harrison wrote in message <3B16E3D9.EC76E13D@uk.sun.com>... >n >> >8 >Though the Register is normally 100 % accurate :):):):)9 >in this case any announcment that they have has not beenc9 >communicated to people working for Sun. I of course wait1< >for the Registers advertising staff to contact me to inform= >me of the "new Sun policy" but in the mean time don't assumeo; >that OpenVMS marketing B***S**T will get any less than theo7 >normal scrutiny. The usual culprits as always will gete >what they deserve.     K Whew.  Don't know what folks would do without your always helpful insights.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:48:08 -0700-! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comtC Subject: Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access D Message-ID: <OF835AA9BE.64699E2A-ON88256A5E.005C40D6@foundation.com>  - It's taken a while, but he's learning.... ;-)t   Shanep          D andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 06/01/2001 03:48:03 AM  < Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt cc:   D Subject:  Re: Andrew to vanish from c.o.v.? Sun bans Internet access      " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: >eH > The Reg already printed a retraction. Apparently yes it is policy, but it'sG > not cost cutting. Every year they try to clear some bandwidth for the & > duration of a regular traffic spike. > I > Incidentally, didn't I hear Sun just reduced their Q4 earnings estimateS byJ > a significant amount? I didn't catch the whole story on the news, so I'mI > not going to comment without proper data to base it on. I wonder if youm0 > could enlighten us with the official Sun line? >D  4 We did the text of our announcment is in most of the online news sites.   Regardsg Andrew Harrisonl Enterprise IT Architectf   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:03:01 -0400t2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)* Subject: Re: Any DECforms users out there?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0106011003020001@user-2ivecbe.dialup.mindspring.com>  B In article <3B17057F.BBB8484F@bigpond.com>, Dave Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote:   > Hi Folks,e > I > Is there anyone out there that is currently using DECforms within theiriB > application development or using applications based on DECforms?  I Well, not really using it.  I installed it and started to try it out withi? a particular application in mind, but other work took priority.   D There are one or two sample applications in the installation kit.  II fiddled with those a bit.  There's more learning curve than "printf"  :-)   I There's a relatively new DECforms "web connector" product, which I assumetH lets you put the UI part of a DECforms application on the web.  I didn'tG try that.  The classic DECforms product is pretty much frozen, I think,t but it's still supported.   J > We currently have a homegrown "forms" based application and are thinking5 > about migrating to DECforms (if not too much work).aK > I would like to get an idea of things like resource usage and development0 > difficulty etc.   G I can't really say, but DECforms is fairly old.  VMS machines are a lotgJ faster and have a lot more memory than they did when DECforms was born.  IF guess the resource usage (above the basic needs of you app) are prettyI minimal.  If you have a lot of simultaneous users, eventually there'll ben
 an impact.  9 Why not get the trial license from Compaq and try it out?v   -- h Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com-   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:52:43 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)s- Subject: Re: Anyone know what happened to OMI-0 Message-ID: <3b179df2.88335850@news.process.com>  1 On Thu, 31 May 2001 23:09:13 +0200, Michiel Erens.5 <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> wrote:   1 >> Thanks to H. Goatley for the link to a mirror,i > F >That version is much older (1.0 vs 2.0). If you want, I can sent you 8 >the Zipfile from the oveas.net site. It is only 117 kb. >rF Please mail it to me and I'll add it to my archives.  I don't rememberA why I didn't do that when the info was first posted to my message  board.   Thanks.t   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/.9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/f   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:40:32 -04000 From: "Steve DiPirro" <Steve.DiPirro@compaq.com>0 Subject: Availability Manager V2.0 now available2 Message-ID: <5nQR6.955$fi2.25228@news.cpqcorp.net>  :  Compaq Availability Manager Version 2.0 is now available,G with kits for OpenVMS VAX and Alpha, and Windows NT/Windows 2000 Intel.t@ Availability Manager Version 1.4 was the last release to supportB Windows NT Alpha. The data analyzer client runs on these platformsC and monitors large numbers of OpenVMS nodes simultaneously (VAX andPE Alpha) that have the data collector installed. The details are in thetG documentation, and everything you need to get started is in these kits. :  If you've been looking for a *FREE* tool (only an OpenVMS< license is required) to help manage your overall data centerD availability, Compaq's Availability Manager for OpenVMS provides theE kind of real-time monitoring and diagnostic capabilities you may finde very useful.>  Availability Manager evolved from the DECamds product that isD Motif-based and VMS-only. The new, easy to use Java GUI runs on bothE Windows and OpenVMS (Alpha only). Although functionally equivalent tooG the latest release of DECamds, future enhancements are planned only foruG the Availability Manager product. VAX users of the data analyzer clientu will continue to need DECamds.B  Availability Manager Version 2.0 is being shipped coincident withF a release of DECamds, version 7.3A. Both fix a number of problems with9 earlier releases. The kits are available on our web site:a  9  http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/availman/o  C Check it out and let us know what you think. Contact information iso on the web page.   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:58:16 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: disk benchmarkingI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106011150040.3001-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>e  ) On Wed, 30 May 2001, Hamlyn Mootoo wrote:3' [...one page of text and 11kB cited...]   8  With formal request: can you *selectively* cut and save< only the REQUIRED part of previous message when your reply ?  7  Answer in the form "after appriopiate sentence" (as in'A included in you mail reply from Bill) also much better readable, r but that is separate story :)h    Thanks, Gotfryd [...13kB cut...] -- tE =====================================================================gF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEa. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 07:53:55 -0400a( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: disk benchmarking+ Message-ID: <3B178253.FEBDA0A9@bigfoot.com>b  W I'll address this to both of you, since you apparantly DO take things personally.  I'llpV defer to the wisdom of the statement "Never argue with a fool.  Other people might not know the difference."n   Toodles, Mr Rainbow Young    HM   Rob Young wrote:  X > In article <3B1558FE.EDAEB123@bigfoot.com>, Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> writes:N > > Not to get to personal, but when you were ar child I bet you couldn't stayL > > within the line while coloring, could you?  When given a clearly definedP > > scenario, you seem to argue with enough red herrings to fill a fishing boat.N > > Some of your conclusions are quite sound, but completely irrelevant to the< > > stated scenario.  Also, for God's sake man, do you work? >lF >         Hey... Mr. Johnny-Come-Lately, when you get some time searchJ >         comp.arch, comp.arch.storage and comp.os.vms at www.deja.com for >         "todd".  > F >         Bill knows what he is talking about and it is quite obvious. > F >         And following this thread , it is also quite obvious he spunB >         you around about a dozen times.  Don't take it personal. >c% >                                 Robl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 08:01:16 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: disk benchmarking+ Message-ID: <3B17840C.F9F9C361@bigfoot.com>   I Sorry, I must have missed by copy of  the Newgroup Manual of Style, but IrF will consider this in the future when someone next sends me a block ofI dung, as did Mr. Todd, or is it Mr. Bill? I get those two confused a lot.6   HM  " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote:  + > On Wed, 30 May 2001, Hamlyn Mootoo wrote:c) > [...one page of text and 11kB cited...]p >n: >  With formal request: can you *selectively* cut and save> > only the REQUIRED part of previous message when your reply ? > 9 >  Answer in the form "after appriopiate sentence" (as inaB > included in you mail reply from Bill) also much better readable, > but that is separate story :)  >e >  Thanks, Gotfryd > [...13kB cut...] > --G > ===================================================================== H > $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") -' >                 THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEw0 > $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plG > =====================================================================h   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:05:23 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  Subject: Re: disk benchmarking( Message-ID: <9f8hs4$38c$1@pyrite.mv.net>  5 "Hamlyn Mootoo" <univms@bigfoot.com> wrote in messaged% news:3B17840C.F9F9C361@bigfoot.com...SK > Sorry, I must have missed by copy of  the Newgroup Manual of Style, but I.H > will consider this in the future when someone next sends me a block ofK > dung, as did Mr. Todd, or is it Mr. Bill? I get those two confused a lot.h  F I think the operative aphorism here is more 'pearls before swine' thanL arguing with a fool'.  And, as I said before, if you're indeed interested inC finding consulting work through your Usenet posts, a major attitudekL readjustment is likely in order:  while you don't know nearly as much as youJ obviously think you do, what you do know could likely be useful to someone if you weren't such an ass.s   - bill   >r > HM >s$ > "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote: > - > > On Wed, 30 May 2001, Hamlyn Mootoo wrote:i+ > > [...one page of text and 11kB cited...]c > >p< > >  With formal request: can you *selectively* cut and save@ > > only the REQUIRED part of previous message when your reply ? > > ; > >  Answer in the form "after appriopiate sentence" (as inID > > included in you mail reply from Bill) also much better readable,! > > but that is separate story :)  > >x > >  Thanks, Gotfryd > > [...13kB cut...] > > --I > > =====================================================================TJ > > $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") -) > >                 THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEr2 > > $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plI > > =====================================================================g >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:07:31 GMTe From: nobody@here.com (Bob)s Subject: RE: Emacs on VMSo: Message-ID: <Xns90B35DD739AABgneissmailroom@63.210.103.21>  G MicroEmacs works very well for me, binaries and full docs available at i* http://members.nbci.com/uemacs/index.html.   -Bob    F >> >Where?  I'd be very happy to have ANY working version of EMACS forE >> >VMS 7.1 on an Alpha, even if it's only for some editing.  About aeI >> >year ago I wasted a week trying to build from the VMS source package; 2 >> >as far as I can tell, it simply can't be done.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:06:33 GMTt From: nobody@here.com (Bob)n Subject: RE: Emacs on VMS : Message-ID: <Xns90B35DAD2BB0Dgneissmailroom@63.210.103.21>  G MicroEmacs works very well for me, binaries and full docs available at s* http://members.nbci.com/uemacs/index.html.   -Bob    F >> >Where?  I'd be very happy to have ANY working version of EMACS forE >> >VMS 7.1 on an Alpha, even if it's only for some editing.  About avI >> >year ago I wasted a week trying to build from the VMS source package; 2 >> >as far as I can tell, it simply can't be done.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:26:05 +0000 (UTC)9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>> Subject: Re: Emacs on VMSa- Message-ID: <9f8fmt$6h1$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>   A In comp.sys.dec Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:s1 : In article <m3n17tza5h.fsf_-_@sebold.lcms.org>,t* : Charles Sebold  <sebold@lcms.org> wrote:K : : I found a working binary of Emacs v18 without networking code, which isc : : OK for some editing... : :yD : Where?  I'd be very happy to have ANY working version of EMACS forH : VMS 7.1 on an Alpha, even if it's only for some editing.  About a yearE : ago I wasted a week trying to build from the VMS source package; as - : far as I can tell, it simply can't be done.   : I have built emacs-19.28 on VAX/VMS 7.1 and VAX/AXP 7.2-1.  	 Check outh ftp.nvg.ntnu.no:/pub/vms/emacs$ (It includes some diffs I once made)   It compiled and ran.% (I doubt the fork/vfork really works)    --   -Roare   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:37:31 -0500t0 From: Patrick Spinler <spinler.patrick@mayo.edu>A Subject: Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)h( Message-ID: <3B17A8AB.153D4E84@mayo.edu>  F I have emacs 19.28 running on alpha ovms.  I compiled back in vms 6.1,B and am running it on 7.2, so I know the binaries work on all those	 versions.   A I have the source package I built from, and I could package up my> binaries.  t  4 Please let me know if you would like either or both.  F There is some other information and support out there for gnu software1 on VMS, which I'm surprised no-one has mentioned:   - http://vms.gnu.org/  - the GNU on VMS projectg  G Here's the specific page on how to get the patched emacs 19.28 for VMS:yC http://vms.gnu.org/software/released1/emacs.html#get_emacs_1928_kit   8 And there appears to be a mailing list for emacs on VMS:2 http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/vms-gnu-emacs  > although it appears to only have spam posted to it this year. F Nonetheless, perhaps we could take a discussion of porting more recent" emacs version to vms to this list.  % I'll go ahead subscribe to this list.c   -- Pat   Charles Sebold wrote:- > ' > On 9 Sivan 5761, Frank da Cruz wrote:f > F > > Where?  I'd be very happy to have ANY working version of EMACS forJ > > VMS 7.1 on an Alpha, even if it's only for some editing.  About a yearG > > ago I wasted a week trying to build from the VMS source package; as / > > far as I can tell, it simply can't be done.e > J > Oh, I'm sorry I wasn't more specific.  VAX binaries are all I found.  If0 > you still have a use for those drop me a line. > --J > Charles Sebold                                        9th of Sivan, 5761@ >       Systems Specialist, LCMS - Office of Information Systems? >         *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***h? >         *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***  > --> > Rules of the Evil Overlord, #66: http://www.eviloverlord.com > H > My security keypad will actually be a fingerprint scanner.  Anyone whoB > watches someone press a sequence of buttons or dusts the pad forJ > fingerprints then subsequently tries to enter by repeating that sequence  > will trigger the alarm system.   -- n#       This message does not represea nt the policies or positions1 	     of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidiaries. 3   Patrick Spinler			email:	Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDUe'   Mayo Foundation			phone:	507/284-9485w   ------------------------------    Date: 01 Jun 2001 08:53:50 -0500& From: Charles Sebold <sebold@lcms.org>A Subject: Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)R, Message-ID: <m3d78oi9w1.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>  ' On 10 Sivan 5761, Paul Repacholi wrote:0  H >> 1.  Emacs hasn't compiled without massive changes in some time (sinceD >>     whatever compiler came at the same time as VMS 5.5, from whatB >>     I've heard; I haven't succeeded with C V5.6 or 5.7) on VMS. > = > Vax is OK, but I was never able to get the Alpha on to run.f  6 Really?  Which version?  Did it work with UCX support?  & > v21 is in test, no hint of how long.  H I've heard a few hints (and you may note from my header that I'm runningH a recent pretest version of 21).  It sounds like it's going to be fairlyG soon; showstopping bugs do not seem to be showing up much lately.  .103wD is quite solid for me (on Linux, haven't tried it on anything else). -- uH Charles Sebold                                       10th of Sivan, 5761>       Systems Specialist, LCMS - Office of Information Systems=         *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily *** =         *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***  --9 While I was gone, somebody rearranged the furniture in my:9 bedroom.  They put it in _exactly_ the same place it was.m0 When I told my roommate, he said: Do I know you? 						-- Stephen Wrightt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:57:12 -0500e0 From: Patrick Spinler <spinler.patrick@mayo.edu>A Subject: Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.) ( Message-ID: <3B17AD48.8B1CDFA3@mayo.edu>   Patrick Spinler wrote: > / > http://vms.gnu.org/  - the GNU on VMS projectI  < The ftp site for this software appears to be down right now.  E I should mention - this is mostly curtousy of Richard Levitte, and he G seems to have a beta of Gnu autoconf as well, which should make portingo# such nastys as GCL a little easier.n   Also, according to this messager' http://www.free.lp.se/bash-19990323.txtw  C There's a port of bash to vms.  This will also likely help with the-A funky configure scripts.  You'll have to mail the porter directlyt) though, as I no longer have this package.e   -- Pat   -- :?       This message does not represent the policies or positions11 	     of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidiaries.n3   Patrick Spinler			email:	Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDUn'   Mayo Foundation			phone:	507/284-9485:   ------------------------------    Date: 01 Jun 2001 22:34:59 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>A Subject: Re: Emacs on VMS (was: Re: WANTED: GNU GCL For OpenVMS.)y- Message-ID: <87wv6ww9nw.fsf@prep.synonet.com>t  3 Robert Alan Byer <byer@mail.ourservers.net> writes:   C > I've started porting GNU GCL to OpenVMS and while I'm making some ? > progress, the biggest part of my time isn't fixing bugs, it'srE > figuring out how the damm things builds in the first place and whatb1 > needs to be where and what needs to be defined.t  D Tell me! I use a DU system to do a build from emacs, then decode the0 droppings. It gives a a starting point at least.  D Some are even worse. I saw a GPS survey system that did convolutionsD by reading and interpreting the kernel from a text file! One process1 per 64 data points. No wonder it ran for weeks...e   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 16:14:11 GMTC- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)rG Subject: FILESERV: Added OMI (was Re: Anyone know what happened to OMI)r0 Message-ID: <3b17be15.96563150@news.process.com>  N On Wed, 30 May 2001 12:36:17 -0500, Patrick Spinler <spinler.patrick@mayo.edu> wrote:  I >At one point there was a package "Oscar's Menu Interpreter" which was toh& >be had from http://www.oveas.net/omi. >eG >Unfortunately, oveas.net no longer exists.  Does anyone have a currentr >reference to this package ? >eJ Thanks to Ed James, who was able to connect and grab the files, I've addedF OMI to my freeware archives.  You can find it using one of these URLs:   http://www.process.com/openvms/   3 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/omi.zipe8 http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/omi.zip/ ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/omi.zipo4 http://www.tmk.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/omi.zip  2 And on the other mirrors within the next 24 hours.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/j9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/5   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2001 04:17:03 -0700V6 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)7 Subject: Function to measure time for command executioni= Message-ID: <58ba0101.0106010317.55a508cf@posting.google.com>    Hi,a  @ In the UNIX world there is a command "time" which can be used toD measure the time elapsed, CPU and real, of a command, e.g. # time ls  * Is there anyway of doing this within VMS ?   Thanks Andrew   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:02:07 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>; Subject: Re: Function to measure time for command executionoI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106011352430.3001-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>i  $ On 1 Jun 2001, Andrew Rycroft wrote:   >+Hi,  >+B >+In the UNIX world there is a command "time" which can be used toF >+measure the time elapsed, CPU and real, of a command, e.g. # time ls >+, >+Is there anyway of doing this within VMS ?  :  As long as parameter processing of commandprocedur is not9 a problem (the ",@ and ' characters, b.ex.) and you allowg5 simplification in time measure then short DCL may be l8 a resolution; for 'proper' resolution with subject "how 7 to calculate a delta time" you can check in DejaNews :)s  $ ----------- TIME.COM ---------------% $! G.S., nearly count time of commanda@ $! if p1-"?".eqs."" then goto help ! Is in Polish in original :) $ tim1=f$cvtim(,,"TIME") $ on severity then continuen( $'p1' 'p2' 'p3' 'p4' 'p5' 'p6' 'p7' 'p8' $ status=$status' $ write sys$output "Execution time: " -e- 	,f$cvtim(f$cvtim(,,"TIME")+"-"+tim1,,"TIME") 
 $ exit status,$ ------------------------------------   >+Thanks >+Andrew    Regards - Gotfryd   -- NE =====================================================================yF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEa. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 08:38:18 +0100l  From: steven.reece@quintiles.comI Subject: Re: How do I make DECwindows see the Gloria Synergy on my DS20E?=H Message-ID: <OF2DFCCA6D.3C5C27BC-ON80256A5E.0029C5A3@qedi.quintiles.com>   Alan,G7 You might like to take a peek at MGMT24 on the VMS FAQ.HF "MGMT24 Configure ELSE GLoria Synergy or PowerStorm 300/350 graphics?"   Steve.   Alan Winston commented:= >>>=J I'm commissioning a new DS20E.  (It was purchased as Linux-Ready and we'reH using the EDU license as the base license to run VMS.  We're in the CSLGF here.)  It booted the 7.2-1 CD fine, did an install of motif 1.2-5 and6 DECnet Plus, and then booted from disk perfectly well.  ( However, it can't see a graphics device.   $ SHOW DEV G   produces  - %SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device availablet    ' and DECwindows won't, of course, start.o  J It has an Elsa Gloria Synergy in it.  (At least, that's what the docs thatI came with the system say it has, that's what the console monitor displayslK at bootup, and that monitor's plugged into _something_.)  What do I have tol. do to get the Gloria Synergy to be recognized? <<<    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:13:16 -0400b" From: Elmer Keil <ekeil@mitre.org>I Subject: Re: How do I make DECwindows see the Gloria Synergy on my DS20E?o) Message-ID: <3B17CD2C.F1567363@mitre.org>    Try the following:   Mount the 7.2-1 CD @DQA0:[Elsa.Kit]Elsa_Install   Elmera    * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: >  > VMSers --  > L > I'm commissioning a new DS20E.  (It was purchased as Linux-Ready and we'reJ > using the EDU license as the base license to run VMS.  We're in the CSLGH > here.)  It booted the 7.2-1 CD fine, did an install of motif 1.2-5 and8 > DECnet Plus, and then booted from disk perfectly well. > * > However, it can't see a graphics device. >  > $ SHOW DEV G > 
 > produces > / > %SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available  > ) > and DECwindows won't, of course, start.  > L > It has an Elsa Gloria Synergy in it.  (At least, that's what the docs thatK > came with the system say it has, that's what the console monitor displaysdM > at bootup, and that monitor's plugged into _something_.)  What do I have tod0 > do to get the Gloria Synergy to be recognized? > P > (I know some devices are supported in drivers in the OpenGL package, so I wentN > ahead and installed that.  Not surprisingly, it didn't make any difference.) > 	 > Thanks,e > 	 > -- Alan  > Q > ===============================================================================r2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUO >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056=O >  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210RQ > ===============================================================================E   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:23:47 GMT=2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)I Subject: Re: How do I make DECwindows see the Gloria Synergy on my DS20E?32 Message-ID: <DcQR6.952$fi2.25306@news.cpqcorp.net>   In article <009FCDA7.966E79F3@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:s :In article <009FCD9F.99E5D778@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes: ..J :Thanks to a hint from David Mathog (thanks, Dave!), I found the [ELSA]...  '   The FAQ, too, has this information...t    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2001 15:41:22 GMTr From: Me@home.com / Subject: Re: How to config and start decnet OSIl* Message-ID: <9f8d32$fss$1@news.netmar.com>   Steve said:o  % >I would suggest that Colin is right.i >.K >DECnet/OSI (or DECnet Phase V) is not configured using tcpip$config.com so C >there would be little benefit from processing tcpip$config.com and & >selecting anything from there anyway.  L Steve, I am sorry but afaik, DECnet OSI will use "over IP", so it is correct toH say that the TCP/IP interface should be configured with the TCPIP$CONFIG file.B  C I always recommend to use the procedures which have been written by= Engineering=H to help Customers to quickly and efficiently use the products they need.  I If you go directly to NCL, you take the risk to desynchronize some params  whichSJ may be set up by nested procedures. In our case, yes, it is easy to change the=M good one, but our job here is not only to help but also to... how could I say:E that in English? to tell the new users how to learn the products, thee interfaces,sM the spirit of the products (even if there is a big gap between DECnet IV and , DECnet V spirit).d  L In French we say "If someone is starving, give him a fish but teach him alsoH how to fish". Teaching someone new at all this to patch an automaticallyK generated file (via sys$manager:net$configure, run *after* tcpip$config) iso to me not the best way. b  M But anyway, the most important is that the user has his problem solved, isn'td it?       O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----hM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsmI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postsuL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:25:53 +0100>  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com/ Subject: Re: How to config and start decnet OSIIH Message-ID: <OF69B8DD88.9FC3939C-ON80256A5E.0057CDDB@qedi.quintiles.com>  K DECnet Plus _will_ use the PWIP driver from the IP stack in order to use IPeB as a transport layer hence providing DECnet over IP functionality.  J If the customer wished to change the IP stack's configuration then runningJ TCPIP$CONFIG would be appropriate which is why, as you say, "it is correctK to say that the TCP/IP interface should be configured with the TCPIP$CONFIG  file."  H However, the interface which the customer in question was being asked toI change was the DECnet interface, not the IP one.  Running TCPIP$CONFIG torG swap from ESA to EZA just wouldn't be possible for this case.  Bit like  chalk and cheese.....'  K One would hope that someone going into the .NCL files would at least have arJ look and see what they were changing.  I would also expect that the personG who posted the original question would be able to look at the file that A they were changing and understand a little of what was happening.e Steve.   me@home.com wrote: >>>dD Steve, I am sorry but afaik, DECnet OSI will use "over IP", so it is correct- toH say that the TCP/IP interface should be configured with the TCPIP$CONFIG file.k  C I always recommend to use the procedures which have been written byn EngineeringgH to help Customers to quickly and efficiently use the products they need.  I If you go directly to NCL, you take the risk to desynchronize some paramsi whichwJ may be set up by nested procedures. In our case, yes, it is easy to change thelI good one, but our job here is not only to help but also to... how could Ie saybE that in English? to tell the new users how to learn the products, theo interfaces,SH the spirit of the products (even if there is a big gap between DECnet IV ando DECnet V spirit).e <<<t   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:20:24 -0700 (PDT)o  From: l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com/ Subject: Re: How to config and start decnet OSIa. Message-ID: <01060109202430@lto.locktrack.com>  C > Steve, I am sorry but afaik, DECnet OSI will use "over IP", so itaB > is correct to say that the TCP/IP interface should be configured > with the TCPIP$CONFIG file.""m  > There's truth in both! ...TCPIP$CONFIG *and* NET$CONFIGURE areA both your friends, esp. WRT DECnet-over-IP.  TCPIP$CONFIG can set,> things up so that the TCPIP$PWIP_ACP (the "PWIP-driver") loads? correctly... required for DECnet-over-IP (and certain Pathworks B functions, too).  NET$CONFIGURE, esp. with the ADVANCED parameter,+ for the rest of DECnet-Plus.  I agree with:;  ? > If you go directly to NCL, you take the risk to desynchronize'> > some params which may be set up by nested procedures. In our@ > case, yes, it is easy to change the good one, but our job here$ > is not only to help but also to...  ? NET$CONFIGURE writes NCL command scripts, which, yes, you couldO? edit directly to tweak things, but doing so is a lot like usingr@ SYSGEN to directly tweak VMS parameters... the next time someoneA uses AUTOGEN with an (older) MODPARAMS.DAT that *doesn't* account6? for your "carefully considered" system tuning, your efforts areu (mysteriously) lost.  D A quick look at the "DECnet-Plus Installation & Basic Configuration"@ and "DECnet-Plus Applications Installation and Advanced Config."E manuals is enough to learn that NET$CONFIGURE.COM is the only correct C and sanctioned way to configure this product... to tweak the output C NCL scripts directly is done solely at your own risk, and is likelymC undone at the next unsuspecting opportunity.  With all due respect:8 RTFM.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 12:02:08 +0100r  From: steven.reece@quintiles.comY Subject: Re: HOW to config and start decnet. was( Can't SET HOST to clustermemberADDENDUM@H Message-ID: <OF8B73D7D4.A8C6601C-ON80256A5E.003B6D2D@qedi.quintiles.com>  $ I would suggest that Colin is right.  J DECnet/OSI (or DECnet Phase V) is not configured using tcpip$config.com soB there would be little benefit from processing tcpip$config.com and% selecting anything from there anyway.w  H When one uses NET$CONFIGURE.COM, one is faced with a menu of options (atA 7.2 anyway) with the suggested option being [1] Perform an entire J configuration.  For the problem described (not being able to set host fromK or to the VAX) and the history (replacing a VAXstation 4000 model 60 with anC VAXstation 4000 model 90) it does sound like the ethernet device is / incorrectly configured (as suggested by Colin).  now, given the option of :- $ edit/tpu sys$startup:net$csmacd_startup.ncl  ^B^Ureplacev ESA7 EZA  exit. $ MC NCL DO sys$startup:net$csmacd_startup.ncl   or $ @SYS$STARTUP:NET$CONFIGUREC with all of its questions, areas to make mistakes, possibilities of J changing things that shouldn't really be changed etc etc etc it's probablyK going to be easier for Tom to do the search and replace.  Even if he has to 4 do $ SEARCH SYS$STARTUP:*.NCL ESA before he does it.  F Tom : Bear in mind that the node does not have to be running DECnet inD order to join the cluster.  Cluster traffic uses SCS which stands byG itself.  It doesn't have to layer itself on DECnet or TCP/IP etc.  It'seI also preferable that it doesn't, given that the node becomes aware of thepJ cluster long before network stacks for DECnet, TCP/IP, LAT etc are loaded.   Steve.   Didier Morandi wrote:  >>>d: If he doesn't know anything about DECnet OSI, I suggest heK @sys$manager:TCPIP$CONFIG.COM then select 1. core, then 3 I think (I'm home  andnI my CHARON-VAX runs 6.2/UCX) then he reconfigures the interface instead ofw editing those NCL scrips..   D.   Colin Butcher wrote: > , > IF PHASE_V (aka DECnet/OSI or DECnet-Plus) > THEN >rG >        Edit the NCL script file which starts the routing circuits andg changeE > the device name from ESA0 to EZA0. Simply search the NCL scripts in J > SYS$STARTUP for "ESA" and replace with "EZA". That should also catch any MOP J > stuff as well. Enable it by running the changed scripts from within NCL. >5 > ENDIF8 <<<    Tom Linden originally wrote: >>>eH I forgot to add that I switched form a 4000/60  to a 4000/90 a couple ofG weeks ago by simply moving the drives and rebooting, and I may not haves done a SET HOST since.9 Obviously decnet is running because it joins the cluster.s <<<    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 15:59:04 GMTg& From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> Subject: ICC and Memory Channel > Message-ID: <cZOR6.356955$o9.57095428@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>  K As part of our transition from VAX  (VMS 7.1) to Alpha (VMS 7.2-1) , I haveDJ been pointing out to our Developers and Analysts some of the advantages of Alpha.  E I finally have them interested in ICC (to replace mailboxes and otheriK services), and Memory Channel.  They are interested, but believe it or not,pG they do not have internet (browsing) access.  I would like to pull someRG descriptive documents regarding these two (ICC and MC) and e-mail it to1D them.  Can someone point me to something I can send them to get themK started. I am not a programmer, so it is difficult for me to explain systemaL services to them. Our new ES40s will have memory channel, but none of us areF exactly sure how to use it or what we need to do (if anything) to take advantage of it.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2001 16:20:17 GMTy From: Me@home.comR# Subject: Re: ICC and Memory Channelt* Message-ID: <9f8fc1$h5k$1@news.netmar.com>   A tutorial on Memory Channel:d  1 http://www.compaq.com/hpc/software/mpt_intro.htmlr  O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----pM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsyI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postshL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2001 12:32:58 -0500n+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)e# Subject: Re: ICC and Memory Channelr3 Message-ID: <om8la09NgYE7@eisner.encompasserve.org>v  g In article <cZOR6.356955$o9.57095428@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:fM > As part of our transition from VAX  (VMS 7.1) to Alpha (VMS 7.2-1) , I have L > been pointing out to our Developers and Analysts some of the advantages of > Alpha. > G > I finally have them interested in ICC (to replace mailboxes and other-M > services), and Memory Channel.  They are interested, but believe it or not, I > they do not have internet (browsing) access.  I would like to pull some I > descriptive documents regarding these two (ICC and MC) and e-mail it tonF > them.  Can someone point me to something I can send them to get themM > started. I am not a programmer, so it is difficult for me to explain system N > services to them. Our new ES40s will have memory channel, but none of us areH > exactly sure how to use it or what we need to do (if anything) to take > advantage of it. >  >   < 	I look at Memory Channel as a good thing to have.  However,> 	from cluster communication presentation available from DFWLUG@ 	we see that Memory Channel has its "issues".  ICC uses SCS, SCS< 	will find the best path.  With 100 MBit switched and Memory9 	Channel, you have the best of both worlds.  You get thatm> 	private connection (Memory Channel) just in case your network; 	goes down, and when it is delivering it is delivering with A 	great latency and bandwidth.  100 Mbit is very common, hopefully = 	switched for you and would have the bandwidth in most commonuA 	applications.  Maybe you do Gigabit and be done with it?  Or youl
 	already are?n  J http://kuhub.cc.ukans.edu/www/html/721final/6520/6520pro_006.html#icc_chap   	ICC:i  0 4.11 Intra-Cluster Communication System Services  M The new intra-cluster communication (ICC) system services, available on Alphau( and VAX, form an application programmingE interface (API) for process-to-process communications. For large datai* transfers, the ICC system services are theL highest-performance OpenVMS application communication mechanism, superior to standard network transports and= mailboxes. =  G The ICC system services enable application program developers to createG1 distributed applications with connections betweenEI different processes on a single system, or between processes on different=0 systems within a single OpenVMS Cluster system.   K The ICC system services do not require a network product. The communication # uses memory or System Communicationc Services (SCS).    The ICC system services: h  <      Allow the creation of both client and server processes 8      Maintain a simple registry of servers and services I      Manage security of the server process namespace and access to serverG
 processes L      Establish connections between these processes and transmit data between these processes /      Provide 64-bit buffer and address support a   4.11.1 ICC Benefits   8 The ICC system services provide the following benefits:   J      An easy-to-use conventional system service interface for interprocess  communications within a cluster N      An interface usable for communications between processes within a single, nonclustered node K      An interface callable from all modes and from execlets as well as froma images tO      An easy-to-use interface giving access to high-speed interconnects such ast Memory Channel iL      An interface independent of the installation of any networking product J      An interface usable for nonprivileged clients and authorized (but not  necessarily privileged) servers      	That's a start!   				Robe   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:33:54 GMTu2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)# Subject: Re: ICC and Memory Channel12 Message-ID: <6mQR6.954$fi2.25333@news.cpqcorp.net>  g In article <cZOR6.356955$o9.57095428@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> writes: I :...I finally have them interested in ICC (to replace mailboxes and others! :services), and Memory Channel.     K   Memory channel is a CPU-intensive interconnect, suitable for environmentsoM   where extra CPU overhead can be traded off for I/O performance.  That said,eL   I would NOT focus on any particular interconnect -- the core reason behindL   ICC was to permit programmers access to ANY interconnect supported by SCS.  / :...They are interested, but believe it or not,u/ :they do not have internet (browsing) access...   3   Gee, I think I'd try to fix that problem first...t  A :...Can someone point me to something I can send them to get them L :started. I am not a programmer, so it is difficult for me to explain systemM :services to them. Our new ES40s will have memory channel, but none of us areeG :exactly sure how to use it or what we need to do (if anything) to takel :advantage of it.r  3   Just use ICC, and forget about specific adapters.e  H   I would assume you have the documentation CD-ROM or similar -- if not,H   please obtain it and web-serve this media to your programmers.  ThoughH   for programmers working directly and regularly with OpenVMS, there is E   arguably no substitute for having access to hardcopy documentation.S  I   As for programming with system services, most any programmer on OpenVMS=I   would benefit from reading through the programming concepts manual.  WerH   have been making updates and adding examples to this manual and to the;   system service reference manual over the last releases...S  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:13:58 -0400a! From: Bob Sudderth <rsq@ornl.gov> Y Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9 - Command procedure used as CGI is displayed, not executed. execa, Message-ID: <9f87vb$eul$1@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov>   > J > (What happens when you try this with, eg, Netscape 3.03?  Does it work?) >  3.03 acts exactly the same.i  C I did a little more reading ("Writing Real Programs in DCL", secondnH edition, p327), and found the statement "CGI scripts run as a subprocessA of the web server...".  I had assumed, wrongfully so, that it wasHF possible to operate the browser without a web server (until I tried toG run a CGI script, I was doing just that).  This is unfortunate since weCH lose a lot when we go to the server.  Perhaps a hack (enhancement) is in order.   Bob    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2001 15:11:56 GMTy From: Me@home.comy, Subject: Open RMS files from DCL via TCP/IP?* Message-ID: <9f8bbs$ehe$1@news.netmar.com>  J Well, the question is in the title. I have a bunch of DCL procedures which did K remote RMS access via DECnet. They should now run on systems (Alpha/OpenVMSrG 7.2-1) where DECnet is not running anymore (and will probably never runn again).f  M Is there an easy way to open a file from DCL via IP without having to write a I piece of C/Fortran/Macro/xxx code? I know I can do DECnet over IP but the  system manager said "no".   Thanks for your help.b    O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----hM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsbI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postssL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 12:24:12 -0400$( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>0 Subject: Re: Open RMS files from DCL via TCP/IP?+ Message-ID: <3B17C1AC.C27F6C91@bigfoot.com>i  L Bring up the NFS server on the remote machine(s) and mount the appropriatelyP exported directories from the client machine, that way your DCL procedures think that the files are local.+   HM   Me@home.com wrote:  L > Well, the question is in the title. I have a bunch of DCL procedures which > didaM > remote RMS access via DECnet. They should now run on systems (Alpha/OpenVMS-I > 7.2-1) where DECnet is not running anymore (and will probably never runm	 > again).R >HO > Is there an easy way to open a file from DCL via IP without having to write a0K > piece of C/Fortran/Macro/xxx code? I know I can do DECnet over IP but the  > system > manager said "no". >t > Thanks for your help.i >gQ >  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----oO >   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupssK >    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postshN > made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:10:57 -0400u2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)0 Subject: Re: Open RMS files from DCL via TCP/IP?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0106011310580001@user-2ivec16.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <9f8bbs$ehe$1@news.netmar.com>, Me@home.com wrote:u  L > Well, the question is in the title. I have a bunch of DCL procedures which > didaM > remote RMS access via DECnet. They should now run on systems (Alpha/OpenVMSiI > 7.2-1) where DECnet is not running anymore (and will probably never rune	 > again).u > O > Is there an easy way to open a file from DCL via IP without having to write arK > piece of C/Fortran/Macro/xxx code? I know I can do DECnet over IP but thew > system > manager said "no".    J The system manager is perhaps a fool.  DECnet over tcpip will let your DCLB and RMS-based code run unchanged.  And it is friendly with today's* least-common-denominator network hardware.   -- d Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:28:45 +0100l  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX V7.2, DECnet-plus and DNVOSIECO3sH Message-ID: <OFFB65E361.526FCE63-ON80256A5E.0044852F@qedi.quintiles.com>   You're missing something.  :-)  K At a similar time to the release of DECnet/OSI v7.2-1 for Alpha there was aTA release for VAX as well.  It may be on the SW Layered Products CDd
 distribution.S  " From my VAXstation 4000 model 90 :   Characteristicst  '     Implementation                    =u        {           [            Name = OpenVMS VAX ,           Version = "V7.2    "
           ] ,P           [e*           Name = DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS ,T           Version = "DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Version V7.2-1 19-MAY-1999 20:56:23.83"           ]n        }   Steve.   Bart Zorn asked: >>>rC Did anyone try to install ECO3 for DECnet-plus on OpenVMS VAX V7.2?a  E The kit requires DECnet-OSI V7.2-1 as a prerequisite! Kind of hard toe comply!h <<<t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:23:47 -04008 From: "Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@islandco.com>' Subject: Oxygen VX1 Video and Alpha PWS / Message-ID: <thf5kta44ue8f4@news.supernews.com>o  F Can I find anywhere a list of TRULY compatible systems with the 3Dlabs Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI cardH Also - anyone with any problems or fixes for this card in Alpha would be appreciatedt  C This goes for VMS and for Tru64 and will be put on our support pagew   Thanks   David TA       -- Island Computers US Corporationa 2700 Gregory Streety	 Suite 150, Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622. Fax: 912 201 0096  sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com' http://www.islandco.com/legal-email.htmi   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:29:01 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>y+ Subject: Re: Oxygen VX1 Video and Alpha PWSt2 Message-ID: <wMMR6.929$fi2.24811@news.cpqcorp.net>  H When we officially put the Oxygen VX1 in the price book, there will be a> list of supported platforms.  Pretty much all the EV6 systems.  L I suppose you are having problems making it work on unsupported systems like the PC164LX,G which doesn't suprise me.  The code should work on EV56 systems, but iss optimized for EV6.      - Island Computers US Corp wrote in message ... G >Can I find anywhere a list of TRULY compatible systems with the 3Dlabso >Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI cardnI >Also - anyone with any problems or fixes for this card in Alpha would bea >appreciated >tD >This goes for VMS and for Tru64 and will be put on our support page >  >Thanksn >f >David T >  >  >w >--i  >Island Computers US Corporation >2700 Gregory Street
 >Suite 150 >Savannah GA 31404 >Tel: 912 447 6622 >Fax: 912 201 0096 >sales@islandco.comt >www.islandco.comn( >http://www.islandco.com/legal-email.htm >i >4 >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 15:32:09 +0100d5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> + Subject: RE: Oxygen VX1 Video and Alpha PWS N Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B14BC@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  
 Oxygen VX1* 3Dlabs OXYGEN VX1 PCI Graphics Controller   L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Specifications e Option SN-PBXGF-AB   Graphics Type 2D Controller , Graphics Chip 3Dlabs GLINT P3 graphics chip < Bus Type PCI 2.2, 32-bit, 33 or 66 MHz, universal signaling  Dual-display Support  Yes K Video Memory 32 MB of SDRAM Unified memory (frame buffer, Z-buffer, texturer memory)  Color Planes 24 / Maximum Resolution  1920 x 1200 16-bit @ 70 Hz E 1280 x 1024 24 bit @ 85 Hz lH Products Supported  AlphaServer and AlphaStation DS10, DS10L, DS20E, and ES40      J Minimum Software version levels that are compatible with the 3Dlabs OXYGEN VX1 PCI Graphics Controller     Operating System Patch kit   UNIX 5.1 Rev 732 + IPK2  s  VMS 7.2-1H1 VS721H1_UPDATE-V030 ) DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721H1_VX1-V0100--4.PCSI;1  n* DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721H1_CPU2208-V0100--4.PCSI     r -----Original Message-----: From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com]# Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:29 PME To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + Subject: Re: Oxygen VX1 Video and Alpha PWSe    H When we officially put the Oxygen VX1 in the price book, there will be a> list of supported platforms.  Pretty much all the EV6 systems.  L I suppose you are having problems making it work on unsupported systems like the PC164LX,G which doesn't suprise me.  The code should work on EV56 systems, but ist optimized for EV6.      - Island Computers US Corp wrote in message ...cG >Can I find anywhere a list of TRULY compatible systems with the 3Dlabsn >Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI cardiI >Also - anyone with any problems or fixes for this card in Alpha would be- >appreciated >-D >This goes for VMS and for Tru64 and will be put on our support page >n >Thanksr >o >David T >I >a >M >--   >Island Computers US Corporation >2700 Gregory Street
 >Suite 150 >Savannah GA 31404 >Tel: 912 447 6622 >Fax: 912 201 0096 >sales@islandco.comv >www.islandco.comu( >http://www.islandco.com/legal-email.htm >a >n >e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:39:59 -04008 From: "Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@islandco.com>+ Subject: Re: Oxygen VX1 Video and Alpha PWS / Message-ID: <thfdk050l67f04@news.supernews.com>    Oliver   Appreciate it - thanks  3 Do you know if it will work in an EV56 Alpha PWS500   I A few of my customers want them (Oxygen) installed   apparently they work F fine with Tru64 5.1 and DO work with the EV56 but seems the resolution setting (default) is an issuev  
 Comments ?     Regardso   David Tx   -- Island Computers US Corporationd 2700 Gregory Streett	 Suite 150a Savannah GA 31404- Tel: 912 447 6622- Fax: 912 201 0096u sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com' http://www.islandco.com/legal-email.htm   @ "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> wrote in messageH news:F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B14BC@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net... > Oxygen VX1+ > 3Dlabs OXYGEN VX1 PCI Graphics Controllere >bL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > Specifications > Option SN-PBXGF-AB > Graphics Type 2D Controllert- > Graphics Chip 3Dlabs GLINT P3 graphics chipi= > Bus Type PCI 2.2, 32-bit, 33 or 66 MHz, universal signaling- > Dual-display Support  Yes5E > Video Memory 32 MB of SDRAM Unified memory (frame buffer, Z-buffer,C texturer	 > memory)  > Color Planes 2490 > Maximum Resolution  1920 x 1200 16-bit @ 70 Hz > 1280 x 1024 24 bit @ 85 HzJ > Products Supported  AlphaServer and AlphaStation DS10, DS10L, DS20E, and > ES40 >o >rL > Minimum Software version levels that are compatible with the 3Dlabs OXYGEN > VX1 PCI Graphics Controllert >a > Operating System Patch kit > UNIX 5.1 Rev 732 + IPK2t! > VMS 7.2-1H1 VS721H1_UPDATE-V030 ) > DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721H1_VX1-V0100--4.PCSI;1h+ > DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721H1_CPU2208-V0100--4.PCSI  >y >  > -----Original Message-----< > From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com]% > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:29 PMi > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come- > Subject: Re: Oxygen VX1 Video and Alpha PWSh >  >tJ > When we officially put the Oxygen VX1 in the price book, there will be a@ > list of supported platforms.  Pretty much all the EV6 systems. >oI > I suppose you are having problems making it work on unsupported systemst like > the PC164LX,I > which doesn't suprise me.  The code should work on EV56 systems, but is, > optimized for EV6. >t >  >s/ > Island Computers US Corp wrote in message ...rI > >Can I find anywhere a list of TRULY compatible systems with the 3DlabsW > >Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI cardoK > >Also - anyone with any problems or fixes for this card in Alpha would bee > >appreciated > >)F > >This goes for VMS and for Tru64 and will be put on our support page > >e	 > >Thanks  > >t
 > >David T > >w > >  > >M > >--v" > >Island Computers US Corporation > >2700 Gregory Street > >Suite 150 > >Savannah GA 31404 > >Tel: 912 447 6622 > >Fax: 912 201 0096 > >sales@islandco.comy > >www.islandco.comb* > >http://www.islandco.com/legal-email.htm > >h > >c > >p >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:36:20 GMTr From: dittman@dittman.netC+ Subject: Re: Oxygen VX1 Video and Alpha PWSAA Message-ID: <ooQR6.93511$gc5.4329204@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>p  7 Island Computers US Corp <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote:s5 : Do you know if it will work in an EV56 Alpha PWS500l  K : A few of my customers want them (Oxygen) installed   apparently they work H : fine with Tru64 5.1 and DO work with the EV56 but seems the resolution : setting (default) is an issuec  = I've mentioned here before that I can't even get mine to work > properly with my PWS500.  I was able to get a display, but the@ system was incredibly slow until I killed the DECwindows server.> Lately, though, I tried again, and now the system just crashes+ shortly after the DECwindows server starts.    This is on V7.2-1.  ; I'm going to try with Tru64 V5.1 to see what happens there.  -- i Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.neta   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:26:04 -0400. From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>< Subject: Re: Pathworks V5.0F ECO2+W2Kpatch  W2K+SP2 problems4 Message-ID: <luOR6.243402$Z2.2750590@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  ! I ran into the same exact problemh  D The only remidy to upgrade to Patchworks 6.0C ECO2 which I just did.   I highly recommend it.  8 "Rodman S. Regier" <rsr@hfx.andara.com> wrote in messageI news:857AE1B7E13A995F.0600270E8BA567A9.C02D3FB48D60BE31@lp.airnews.net...h< > Early warning of Pathworks problem that seems to be caused: > by installation of Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pak 2. >   > OpenVMS/Alpha V7.1-2 w/patches( > TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V4.2 ECO 11 > Pathworks V5.0F ECO2 w/Compaq W2K support patchf >e! > Pathworks server running above.d > B > Workstation running Microsoft Windows 2000 and recently released  > Microsoft Service Pak 2 (SP2). >vG > Workstation application attempting to write file to Pathworks service ; > results in error messages.  Typical example with MS Word:z >d9 >        The folder 'x:\top\next\final' isn't accessable.e> >        The folder may be located on an unavailable volume or# >        protected with a password.n >mE > Two different workstations running W2K w/SP2 demonstrate problem on E > different user accounts.  Problem not seen prior to installation of) > SP2 on affected workstations.o >cD > Testing on another workstation w/o SP2 installed with same account
 > works fine.  >r% > Problem report submitted to Compaq.n > @ > I speculate that MS SP2 has changed or eliminated the protocol9 > that Compaq's Pathworks V5.0F ECO2 W2K patch supported.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:13:01 GMTt+ From: melanconATlegis.state.la.us (Mike M.)n< Subject: Re: Pathworks V5.0F ECO2+W2Kpatch  W2K+SP2 problems0 Message-ID: <3b17cb11.4054820@enews.newsguy.com>  B In addition to the problem you noted, I've found a couple of other. problems with Pathworks 5.0f and Windows 2000:  $ **Specific to Win2K service pack 2**  ) UNC drive connection not working properlyt  < - if I map a drive letter to a Pathworks server ("net use m:5 \\server\share") I can open files, delete files, etc.o  E - if I open an Explorer window to the same file share ("Start > Run >RC \\server\share") I cannot open files on the share.  I get the error   "The directory name is invalid."     ** Seen in both SP1 and SP2 **  0 Cannot create/rename folders on Pathworks server  C - connect to a share and create a file on that share "foo.txt" - nom problem.D - create a folder from Windows Explorer, by default Windows calls it? "New Folder" - try to rename it, and you get "Cannot rename NEWeA FOLDER: Cannot find the specified file. Make sure you specify they correct path and filename."       4 On Thu, 31 May 2001 21:36:29 -0300, Rodman S. Regier <rsr@hfx.andara.com> wrote:-  ; >Early warning of Pathworks problem that seems to be causedS9 >by installation of Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pak 2.- >- >OpenVMS/Alpha V7.1-2 w/patches-' >TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V4.2 ECO 1a0 >Pathworks V5.0F ECO2 w/Compaq W2K support patch >   >Pathworks server running above. >aA >Workstation running Microsoft Windows 2000 and recently releasedg >Microsoft Service Pak 2 (SP2).C >aF >Workstation application attempting to write file to Pathworks service: >results in error messages.  Typical example with MS Word: >u8 >       The folder 'x:\top\next\final' isn't accessable.= >       The folder may be located on an unavailable volume ort" >       protected with a password. >tD >Two different workstations running W2K w/SP2 demonstrate problem onD >different user accounts.  Problem not seen prior to installation of >SP2 on affected workstations. >uC >Testing on another workstation w/o SP2 installed with same accountt >works fine. >f$ >Problem report submitted to Compaq. > ? >I speculate that MS SP2 has changed or eliminated the protocol 8 >that Compaq's Pathworks V5.0F ECO2 W2K patch supported.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:47:54 +0100?  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com' Subject: Re: PCSI and Account creation.eH Message-ID: <OF7A3DB0AA.A68F9660-ON80256A5E.0045685A@qedi.quintiles.com>  C The "create a system account" was in quotes because it was a directDF quotation from the Polycenter Software Installation Utility Deeloper'sJ Guide, VMS Version 7.1, November 1996 under the description of the accountK statement.  If you don't believe me go check the manual!!!  I agree it does 5 state "The account statement uses a command procedure K (SYS$UPDATE:PCSI$CREATE_ACCOUNT.COM) to create an account." but the point I J was trying to make is that the account is created during the file deliveryC stage of the process and not the configuration part of the process.s  $ The reason for asking the question :I > From various discussions that I've been part of and heard, I understand-I > that the recommended way of using PCSI for product installation kits is  toF > use PCSI and the PRODUCT command to place the product files onto the systemK > and then use a configuration tool (like NET$CONFIGURE or TCPIP$CONFIGURE)h@ > to carry out the configuration of the product being installed.  H So, if you're only depositing files with the PCSI kit and then using theH configuration procedure that you've delivered with the PCSI kit when youF did your PRODUCT INSTALL command, should the account really be createdH using the account statement in the PCSI$DESCRIPTION file or is it betterF practice to carry out the account creation in the configuration phase?   Steve.   Didier Morandi wrote:l >>>mI There is no such "create a system account". The PCSI "account" verb calls?= actually a DCL command procedure to create the account as thea' sys$manager:adduser.com procedure does.g  I Creating an account from DCL via the KITINSTAL.COM or via PCSI is exactly  theoI same, except what you said, the remove is automatic when you do a Productg remove
 <product>.   Where is your problem? <<<n   ------------------------------    Date: 01 Jun 2001 09:26:56 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>-/ Subject: Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?mH Message-ID: <y4wv6wmzi7.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  3 >   RuleWorks (OPS5) is on the Freeware V5.0 kit...c  L Is OPS5 still being used by DEC^H^H^HCompaq? It was developed, IIRC, to helpL configuring VAXen and check orders for compliance with engineering/marketing rules.   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2001 14:04:44 GMTC1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) / Subject: Re: Question: LISP For OpenVMS Anyone?p, Message-ID: <9f87ds$1vi4$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  ) In article <3B1723E4.8070003@vsm.com.au>,I(  Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au> writes: |> mJ |> According to LISP.HLP, the code was converted from Macro-11 to Bliss-32J |> by Bevin Brett in July 1982.  The original Macro was on a DECUS library |> tape.  @ If it started life as Macro-11 I somehow doubt that this is even= close to the Common Lisp the original poster was looking for.-   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:16:13 GMTT! From: nkw77@hotmail.com (hourman)b) Subject: Re: Reading RMS index file on PCi1 Message-ID: <3b19a39c.263955@news.netvigator.com>c    Thanks a lot, I'll try this out.    7 On Mon, 28 May 2001 10:54:56 -0500, "David J. Dachtera"O <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   >hourman wrote:  >>  H >> I'm considering to read RMS index file on PC using VB/Java.  Does anyH >> tried this before?  Where can I find info about internal structure of >> RMS index file? > 	 >Um, WOW!  >t? >Well, there are third party RMS products for NT and UN*X. See:s >  >http://www.accelr8.com/ >http://www.sector7.com/ >1F >You may want to explore third-party products before re-inventing that >wheel.- >-E >OTH, if you're thinking about doing a freeware RMS "layer" for W/9x,rB >W/NT and/or UN*X, I believe the VMS programming documentation may >provide some insights. See: >s# >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/r   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2001 08:23:21 -0700 ' From: josezb@wbmassociates.com (josezb) 7 Subject: Self-maintenance of legacy DEC products - HELP = Message-ID: <565b7669.0106010723.75ce7669@posting.google.com>p  F I received a Maintenance Product Recommendation from Compaq's AssistedF Services Group in which they quote an "MDS ON PC CD/1YR UPDATES" (Part # MD-CDRPC-01). C This CD is supposed to have all the documentation available for VAX- 4000-700 and VS 4000-90.+ Is this what I need for self-maintainance? 9A Somewhere someone must know what documentation DEC provided theiryB self-maintenance customers  I need to speak to that person to get some guidance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:10:36 -0000t- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)rY Subject: Re: Serious offer. This is not ordinary offer as many in Internet. The New Way Ip/ Message-ID: <thf8is3rt2ddef@news.supernews.com>u  A terryshannon@mediaone.net (Terry C. Shannon) wrote in <3YcP6.3620o& $zl5.1235154@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>:   >i' ><to_infinity@mail.ru> wrote in messages( >news:9ejjf2$oeo$1703@relay2.kazan.ru... >> >> Hello, Dear Friend! >>D >> Serious offer for You here. This is not ordinary offer as many in
 >Internet. >>' >> Would You like to improve Your life?4' >> Do You have financial difficulties?! $ >> Do You want to change Your life?! >> You need to come here!!!o& >> Here the New Way will open for You! >S9 >So where's the offer for a $1K AlphaStation running VMS?s >s >l >c  G Someone offered me all this crap before - it was called Windows and it 4 sucked.-   ws   -- -1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>0   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **2   ------------------------------    Date: 01 Jun 2001 09:37:49 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>-? Subject: Re: Size of VMS patch kits and new compression optionsoH Message-ID: <y4u220mz02.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  O >   Well, other than any licensing issues and such.  And yes, we've had variousoL >   discussions around adding (de)compression capabilities into PCSI, thoughL >   this enhancement was pre-empted by other work for the PCSI engineers -- I >   though given the storage "crunch" on our CD-ROM media kits, this PCSI0D >   (de)compression implementation priority may well get escalated.   B And please, please, get rid of the CHKSUM kludge and put in properB authentication and integrity checking at the same time. Really, itD isn't difficult. (Am I repeating myself, or what?) As an "enterpriseB computing" company and with its enterprise flagship OS, this seems mandatory to me.   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2001 06:10:34 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n Subject: Re: The future of VMS3 Message-ID: <RwNnDdIm5we9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <thdq43tlt4edb3@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:aK > That would be nice.  As a start, I would like to see something that would F > read a CLD file and produce code and/or tables that could be used inL > conjunction with open source CLI$ routines.  Let's bring real command line  > utilities to UNIX and Windows!  - Imagine David Dachtera's signature file here.P  A Please discuss Unix and Windows futures in some other conference.A  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:26:35 +0200u) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>  Subject: Re: The future of VMS, Message-ID: <3B1789FB.9979302F@infopuls.com>   John Vottero wrote:o > K > That would be nice.  As a start, I would like to see something that would F > read a CLD file and produce code and/or tables that could be used inL > conjunction with open source CLI$ routines.  Let's bring real command line  > utilities to UNIX and Windows! > B > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message. > news:sxwR6.896$fi2.24588@news.cpqcorp.net...2 > > If I had time on my hands, I would port Gnome. > >aG > > An alternative that might be interesting and do-able is to write antJ > > application that reads command line definition files, and builds a GUI > > interface for it.o > > J > > People are always complaining that they want GUI interfaces to command > line > > apps ;-)  @ Sorry, but please forget these technically completely irrelevant so called OSes. 1 To strengthen VMS we should have decent VMS apps.r= Unfortunately the initiative to setup a list with most wanted- VMS apps didn't find much help.-  @ I would refrain from trying to support C/C++ as common language.8 Both languages lack the very basics from the point of SW; engineering and therefore provide a worst case scenario for 
 porting apps.S  < I suggest to concentrate on one porting aspect like the file8 system. This might be a semester project: how to map the@ different file specs of other OSs to VMS and as an extension for@ the eager students how to cope with case sensitive environments.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:44:25 -0400% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>b Subject: Re: The future of VMS/ Message-ID: <thfai23k87a9ea@news.supernews.com>X  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:RwNnDdIm5we9@eisner.encompasserve.org...H@ > In article <thdq43tlt4edb3@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:G > > That would be nice.  As a start, I would like to see something that  wouldnH > > read a CLD file and produce code and/or tables that could be used inI > > conjunction with open source CLI$ routines.  Let's bring real commande line" > > utilities to UNIX and Windows! >c/ > Imagine David Dachtera's signature file here.a >g  K If I did, I never would have scrolled down far enough to see the next line!   C > Please discuss Unix and Windows futures in some other conference.p >i  L If we show the UNIX/Windows crowd how thing should be done, maybe these UNIX? utilities would actually be useful if they were running on VMS!l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:29:49 -0500i+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>e Subject: RE: The future of VMSL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1EC4@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Christof Brass [mailto:brass@infopuls.com]  B > I would refrain from trying to support C/C++ as common language.: > Both languages lack the very basics from the point of SW= > engineering and therefore provide a worst case scenario forc > porting apps.-  G It's interesting to note that I can't think of much commercial softwareiF that's not written in C/C++ these days.  Perhaps rather than porting aG modern application, one should consider looking for an older one with am? solid foundation and doing a port/enhancement at the same time.i  K It's unfortunate that web browsers are probably too new to do this with.  AeL web browser in ADA would be interesting.  As a matter of preference, I don'tH like ADA too well, but it seems well supported, and is relatively solid.H Most of the problems I see with web browsers are in memory allocation, I assume, from sloppy C. :)e   Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developerl Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");E 'n   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2001 12:48:13 -0500r9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)i Subject: RE: The future of VMS3 Message-ID: <GsfWyFY1tMbD@eisner.encompasserve.org>4  z In article <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1EC4@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>, Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> writes:   >> -----Original Message-----13 >> From: Christof Brass [mailto:brass@infopuls.com]h > C >> I would refrain from trying to support C/C++ as common language.i; >> Both languages lack the very basics from the point of SW > >> engineering and therefore provide a worst case scenario for >> porting apps. > I > It's interesting to note that I can't think of much commercial softwareiH > that's not written in C/C++ these days.  Perhaps rather than porting aI > modern application, one should consider looking for an older one with a0A > solid foundation and doing a port/enhancement at the same time.a > M > It's unfortunate that web browsers are probably too new to do this with.  AiN > web browser in ADA would be interesting.  As a matter of preference, I don'tJ > like ADA too well, but it seems well supported, and is relatively solid.J > Most of the problems I see with web browsers are in memory allocation, I > assume, from sloppy C. :)l  7 Competing in the web browser market is a daunting task.   M The most prominent public web-related Ada project is AWS, the Ada Web Server.lK It is not a generalized server like Apache, but rather a subsystem you link)N into your own application so it can serve up web pages related to its purpose,N such as control of your lawn sprinker or space station or anything in between.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:47:20 -0600c% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>2 Subject: RE: The future of VMSB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010601104235.00ab3828@ntbsod.psccos.com>  . At 10:29 AM 6/1/2001, Christopher Smith wrote: > > -----Original Message-----4 > > From: Christof Brass [mailto:brass@infopuls.com] >wD > > I would refrain from trying to support C/C++ as common language.< > > Both languages lack the very basics from the point of SW? > > engineering and therefore provide a worst case scenario forn > > porting apps.t > H >It's interesting to note that I can't think of much commercial softwareG >that's not written in C/C++ these days.  Perhaps rather than porting adH >modern application, one should consider looking for an older one with a@ >solid foundation and doing a port/enhancement at the same time. >dL >It's unfortunate that web browsers are probably too new to do this with.  AM >web browser in ADA would be interesting.  As a matter of preference, I don't-I >like ADA too well, but it seems well supported, and is relatively solid. I >Most of the problems I see with web browsers are in memory allocation, I  >assume, from sloppy C. :)  / Caveat emptor: not trying to slam anybody here!h  K You know, it's interesting the way software engineering vis-a-vis languagesrK has transmogrified over the years.  It used to be the responsibility of thetJ engineer to write good code.  Now it seems to be the responsibility of theL language constructs to FORCE the engineer to write good code.  Hence, state-L ments like languages lacking "the very basics from the point of SW engineer- ing"..  J Maybe that's good for the kids just coming out of college, but (showing myJ age - I wrote my first BASIC program 27 years ago!) as for me, I mourn the4 passing of the "real art" of software engineering...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 12:07:09 -0500a+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>b Subject: RE: The future of VMSL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1EC6@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----. > From: Dan O'Reilly [mailto:dano@process.com]  : > You know, it's interesting the way software engineering  > vis-a-vis languages 8 > has transmogrified over the years.  It used to be the  > responsibility of the 7 > engineer to write good code.  Now it seems to be the a > responsibility of theo@ > language constructs to FORCE the engineer to write good code.  >  Hence, state-? > ments like languages lacking "the very basics from the point t > of SW engineer-s > ing".j > = > Maybe that's good for the kids just coming out of college, 6 > but (showing my8= > age - I wrote my first BASIC program 27 years ago!) as for q > me, I mourn thes6 > passing of the "real art" of software engineering...  K I agree completely.  It's a shame that people don't know how to program anyc more :/f  H It's also a shame that, since they don't know how to program, they don't produce good code ;)  H Since most programmers now either can't program, or refuse to test, what will you do?  H Personally, I believe that you should choose a language which is more orG less restrictive depending on the scale and scope of a project, but anynH language for the "unwashed masses" will have to be idiot-proof today, orK you'll get no software.  As much as you or I would like to, we can't say to J all of the clueless programmers in the world "Go home and play solitaire."K Eventually, somebody will get us into a situation where we have to use sometK of the slime that those people produce, and I'd rather the languages forcedEH them to make it less "slimy." :)  The current popular languages don't do this.u  K I'm not saying it's good that it's come to this, but it's justified becauser% that's the state of the profession :/P   Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developert Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");e '    ------------------------------    Date: 01 Jun 2001 19:21:32 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>" Subject: Re: The future of VMSH Message-ID: <y4bso8m7z7.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ' Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes:g  L > Maybe that's good for the kids just coming out of college, but (showing myL > age - I wrote my first BASIC program 27 years ago!) as for me, I mourn the6 > passing of the "real art" of software engineering...  A While I share the sentiment, to some degree, I do think "art" andoB "engineering" don't go well together. The top item of merit, in myA opinion, for any engineering-related activity is reliability - or.> do you find it appropriate that you wonderfully designed houseF suddenly collapses because you happened to kick it in the wrong place?  E Also, I think the computer should take care of the trivial accountingIB things it is so good at, and I am so bad at, mostly because I willE become bored and/or lazy: making sure assignments actually could mean-F something, pointers point to allocated memory and not elsewhere, arrayF indices are in-range, and such things. The problem with languages suchI as C and C++ is that they offer too many possibilities to violate simple,7* stupid rules without telling you about it.  I It seems there is a cultural difference between the US and Europe in thistJ regard. I have been told that it is quite acceptable to tell people - evenH customers - in the US, "don't do that, or something horrible will happenD (e.g., delete all your work, start WW III)". In Europe, such missingE interlocks usually result in incredulity and a strong desire to check J whether "they" really had the chutzpah to release a piece of software withI such characteristics. Thus, WW III will start in Europe at some presentlyt undetermined future time 8-)...l   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 06:00:47 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>1 Subject: To Hoff Hoffman, VMS Mail (SMTP)  wishesd' Message-ID: <3B172F8D.78618467@home.nl>9  H Now Mime is a official part of VMS, using SMTP to send bulk e-mails withF attachments to customers becomes a real possibility. A batch procedureG can generate personalized e-mails and send them (I don't mean SPAM maill of course).   G However there are a few shortcomings in SMTP. It is not possible to addrG a "Reply To" header, which can be very handy. If a production system iseH producing bulk mail, it is most likely not the machine where the repliesE should go. Instead a "reply to" containing the e-mail address of letsy5 say a account manager would be much more appropriate.   = I can imagine a "BCC" header could also be of use for certain 
 environments.*  F I suppose it can't be very difficult to add this functionality to SMTP ??  E Another small question: why is Mime implemented as a foreign command,-' and not integrated in the DCL tables ??    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 12:59:00 -0400c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>15 Subject: Re: To Hoff Hoffman, VMS Mail (SMTP)  wishesM, Message-ID: <3B17C9D1.C2A1B34E@videotron.ca>   Dirk Munk wrote:I > However there are a few shortcomings in SMTP. It is not possible to add0I > a "Reply To" header, which can be very handy. If a production system is J > producing bulk mail, it is most likely not the machine where the repliesG > should go. Instead a "reply to" containing the e-mail address of letst7 > say a account manager would be much more appropriate.   I I hate to steal Hoff's line, but if you look at the Ask The Wizzard (FAQ):J section on the vms web site, there is a section that describes how you canF "submit" SMTP emails where you have complete control over the contentsD (bypassing MAIL). This allows you to have whatever headers you want.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:25:52 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)5 Subject: Re: To Hoff Hoffman, VMS Mail (SMTP)  wishes.2 Message-ID: <AeQR6.953$fi2.25331@news.cpqcorp.net>  H In article <3B172F8D.78618467@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:I :Now Mime is a official part of VMS, using SMTP to send bulk e-mails with G :attachments to customers becomes a real possibility. A batch procedureH3 :can generate personalized e-mails and send them...h  *   See the SFF (Send From File) Stuff, too.  H :However there are a few shortcomings in SMTP. It is not possible to add/ :a "Reply To" header, which can be very handy. s  >   Fixed in TCP/IP Services V5.1, if I understand the question.  I :I suppose it can't be very difficult to add this functionality to SMTP??g  /   There was a dilbert cartoon to that effect...-  F :Another small question: why is Mime implemented as a foreign command,( :and not integrated in the DCL tables ??  -   Long story, and one I'll not get into here.o    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:17:15 +0100u  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com4 Subject: Re: To Hoff Hoffman, VMS Mail (SMTP) wishesH Message-ID: <OF5935EE85.551D407B-ON80256A5E.002D0A73@qedi.quintiles.com>  H I would expect (but don't know) that it's so that existing functionality% remains unchanged and nothing breaks.sG VMS mail commands are probably used in many, many sites for things liketH batch jobs to send out errorlog or audit reports, error messages etc etcF etc or in automated procedures for events occurring (like "my databaseH server has keeled over, please restart it after you've tidied up").  The? risks of adding stuff in might outweigh the potential benefits.cI Also, many environments might not wish to use Mime due to potential, realoJ or suspected risks so having to consciously switch to it is useful in that respect.  B But as I said, that's just my thoughts which have no foundation or corroboration. Steve.   Dirk Munk asked :h >>> E Another small question: why is Mime implemented as a foreign command,I' and not integrated in the DCL tables ??s <<<a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:26:51 -0300o) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br= Subject: University in USAL Message-ID: <OFED880D23.2CA7EDDC-ON83256981.006B70B6@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  # It is nothing regarding to OpenVMS.=  8 I am searching the Yahoo but I dont remember the name of5 that Technology Insitute with unities spreaded in allu the USA:     ITT?  IEE ? IET ? EET ?B   Regards@   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:12:47 -0400f2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: University in USAL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0106011012480001@user-2ivecbe.dialup.mindspring.com>  
 In articleA <OFED880D23.2CA7EDDC-ON83256981.006B70B6@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,b* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  % > It is nothing regarding to OpenVMS.e > : > I am searching the Yahoo but I dont remember the name of7 > that Technology Insitute with unities spreaded in all,	 > the USAr >  >  > ITT?  IEE ? IET ? EET ?t  I This isn't reminding me of anything I heard of before.  Could you give usaJ more details?  Perhaps something didn't translate quite as you intended...   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:24:55 -0400t> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com> Subject: RE: University in USAK Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D6DC0D0@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>-   > -----Original Message-----D > From: rdeininger@mindspring.com [mailto:rdeininger@mindspring.com]& > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:13 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn  > Subject: Re: University in USA >  >  > In articleC > <OFED880D23.2CA7EDDC-ON83256981.006B70B6@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, , > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > ' > > It is nothing regarding to OpenVMS.e > > < > > I am searching the Yahoo but I dont remember the name of9 > > that Technology Insitute with unities spreaded in all- > > the USAa > >  > >  > > ITT?  IEE ? IET ? EET ?  > @ > This isn't reminding me of anything I heard of before.  Could 
 > you give us3= > more details?  Perhaps something didn't translate quite as s > you intended...m >  > -- m > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.comg >H  8 If I could jump in.  Perhaps http://www.itt-tech.edu/  ?   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadwaya Albany, NY  12204d USAD 518-487-3255 JKoska@bender.coml  * "I post personal opinion only, and all the* disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my* views in no way represent my employer(s)."  a   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:49:56 -0700 (PDT)$ From: nclews <nclews at csc dot com>1 Subject: Re: Voice-Modem under VMS: Any Feedback?e2 Message-ID: <2238.990795302194@iw0.mailusenet.com>   In reply to:M http://www.etin.com/article/Article.jsp?messageID=24807838&folder=comp.os.vmsVN >some weeks ago I put my software to use a voice modem under VMS on our serverH >for download. Some people did download it but I never got any feedback.K >Thus, to those of you who already tried it: did it work? What problems did. >you encounter?i  W hi, yes we tried it. We do on call shift changeovers at odd times and we have automated D the telephone switch programming from VMS and also make a test call.  V we want to use your software in this way, when the test call is made, a message is putU out on the phone when the call is made rather than just an 'empty' call from a modem.o  F our config is vms 7.2-1 decserver 700 and a hayes accura speakerphone.  W the software would not actually work directly, we dunno if it was a modem config issue, O terminal setting or what. however we figured out what it was doing and manuallya5 copying the sample voice file to the modem does work.t  P We define the logical to the LTA device, then with PHONE as a foreign command...   $ PHONE sample.vox 5 123456789 It says: "Initializing... Terminating...   No number reacheds  ) %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 00000002",  6 (obviously 123456789 is replaced a real phone number!)T Ideally we would like to record our own message and be able to play it under program control.  E Any change of providing the source we could work on, any other ideas?-  ; (I'd be grateful of an email copy as I'm on hols next week)e  ) Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences.  nclews at csc dot com    ----I Posted via http://www.etin.com - the FREE public USENET portal on the Web3F Complete SEARCHING, BROWSING, and POSTING of text and BINARY messages!   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:41:43 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>$ Subject: Re: What does READ/NEW do ?I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106011334520.3001-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   ( On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Chris Townley wrote:  G >+"Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote in message  [...]h? >+>  Not exactly; ONLY if the resulting count in MAILUAF may goh> >+> less to (lower to) 0 or no new mail (flagged as new) found1 >+> but the count is >0 - the count is corrected.03 >+>  AFAIK & WithMyExperience limited, of course :)t >+I >+I dont think this quite works (well it is better than my first comment)o >+N >+Having many test systems that frequently get  *.MAI files deleted, the count >+remains incorrect.  : ..sure, must be corrected b.ex. with supported READ/NEW :)  ? >+Only way I know to correct is to hack the central data file -y- >+VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA located in sys$system.     No, not "only way" !s  ;  What prevent the "proper" correction with your description-< is a error (may be counted as bug or feature, but is in MAIL< for years) when *any* default_file (means: MAIL.MAI) related@ operation is done: if the file does not exists or is unavailable9 you get -E- class error and no further operation is done.s<  When a MAIL.MAI is deleted - you must at start recreate it:0 the simplest way is send one message themself :)@  *Then* you can correct the count without problem with READ/NEW.    Regards - Gotfryd   -- .E =====================================================================hF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEf. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================b   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:28:32 -0400a  From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil$ Subject: Re: What does READ/NEW do ?0 Message-ID: <01060110283283@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  4 "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk> wrote on! Fri, 1 Jun 2001 00:45:47 +0100 ine6 <991355308.28754.0.nnrp-14.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>:  G > "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote in messagetF > news:Pine.LNX.4.21.0105302257560.20387-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl...( > > On Wed, 30 May 2001, JF Mezei wrote: > >rM > > >+Often, the "cure all" soution to MAIL problems is to issue the READ/NEWi
 > command. > > >+H > > >+What exactly does this command do ?  Does it scan MAIL.MAI for any
 > record thatoK > > >+has the unread bit set and then write back the resulting cound in thew > mail > > >+profile data file ?  > >e? > >  Not exactly; ONLY if the resulting count in MAILUAF may got> > > less to (lower to) 0 or no new mail (flagged as new) found1 > > but the count is >0 - the count is corrected. 3 > >  AFAIK & WithMyExperience limited, of course :)o > I > I dont think this quite works (well it is better than my first comment)p > N > Having many test systems that frequently get  *.MAI files deleted, the count > remains incorrect. > ? > Only way I know to correct is to hack the central data file -uH > VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA located in sys$system. There was freeware routineJ > (mailuaf ?) in the days of yore, but it is easier to hack the .DATA file > directly.c  I Mailuaf is still alive and kicking. It is to be found on Hunter Goatley'sDI VMS archive <http://www.goatley.com/fileserv/fileserv-software.html>.  ItgG is easy to install and use.  If anyone has any problems or suggestions,s please contact me.  : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919i; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919 5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:31:47 +0200e) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>e2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?, Message-ID: <3B178B33.4C6BC57E@infopuls.com>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > I > You always were a bit of a dreamer, Christof. That's a good one though.a > I > Incidentally, I just discovered they're integrating Media Player 8 with 7 > Windows XP. Anyone else having a Nutscrape flashback?: >  > Shanes   [SNIP]  = > What we need is a behavioural code like the high society ino > Italy has against the Mafia. > & > 1.Don't use products from Micro$hit.? > 2.Don't use products that are produced with help of Micro$hit  > products.uA > 3.Don't deal with companies that don't adhere to rules 1 and 2.c: > 4.Don't do any business which will put money directly or% > indirectly into Micro$hits pockets.r > ? > I know that it is very hard to do business according to thesetA > rules. But we have to start somewhere. And I would also include 7 > the same set of rules with Intel replacing Micro$hit.   = Yes, I know. But the fight in Italy against the Mafia hasen'tp& been won (if at all) in one battle ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 15:50:40 +0100o0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?* Message-ID: <3B17ABC0.C9C5173A@uk.sun.com>   Jordan Henderson wrote:m > ) > In article <3B14F209.C0A7D90C@fsi.net>, 2 > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > >Simon Clubley wrote:! > >>P > >> On Tue, 29 May 2001 14:15:11 -0500, in article <3B13F53F.4C55D9C9@fsi.net>, > >> David J. Dachtera wrote:e > >> >M > >> >Yes, certain benefits have been gained by playing ball with the RedmomdmJ > >> >bullies. Of late, however, their monopolistic tactics have become soL > >> >intolerable that even the Justice Department has seen fit to intervene+ > >> >(much too little and years too late).r > >> > > >>1 > >> What is the current Microsoft v DOJ status ?  > >>Q > >> I'm British and live in the UK, so I don't really know which way the currenteP > >> US administration is likely to go with this. I do know that prior to the USK > >> election, the feeling in this newsgroup was that a Bush administration.H > >> would be less likely to continue with the action against Microsoft. > >aD > >Experience with the "Dubbya" admin. tends to bear out the group'sG > >initial take on the matter. He's a corporate lackey - period, end ofs
 > >statement.d > >  > D > I try to avoid political discussions in this forum.  I don't think > people come here for this. > D > I can't let this stand unchallenged, however, because Mr. DachteraD > seems to have appointed himself spokesman for the group and deigns- > to give out our initial take on the matter.i > D > Insofar as George W. Bush may or may not be beholding to corporateC > interests, I don't feel that the reality is fairly represented byn > putting a period there.   4 Hmm, apart from the Tax cuts the other clear policy 3 the Bush administration has commited themselves to o/ is to pull out of the Kyoto agreement that the s Clinton administration signed.  / The Bush adminstration did so on the basis of ad1 reinterpretation of the scientific data on globala1 warming that the overwhelming majority of climate * change experts have subsequently trashed.   3 The real subtext was that the measures necessary toe2 impliment the somewhat limitted set of goals that 6 Clinton signed up to at Kyoto would hurt big business 3 and the economy. A short sighted view and one that M4 will ultimately leave the US behind the EU and most 8 other developed countries in terms of energy efficiency 8 and one that will cost the US much more in the long term6 when the changes they have put off are forced on them  by circumstances.d  4 As someone pointed out, the Easter Islander who cut 2 down the last tree on the island probably did not 2 realise the cost of the tree would be measured in ' the extinction of the Easter Islanders.c > C > First of all, in comparison, Bill Clinton was the best friend thedE > huge transnational corporations ever had.  Witness the unbelievable : > mergers that occurred during the Clinton administration. > D >         - The largest 3 petrochemical mergers of all time occurredD >           during the Clinton administration: Exxon/Mobil, BP/AmocoC >           and Shell/Texaco (refining & marketing US).  If the oilcG >           companies are gouging, it was only made possible by runaway- >           consolidation. > C >         - The largest automotive merger Daimler/Chrysler happened E >           in 1998.  The Daimer CEO represented this to Americans as1B >           'a marriage of equals' back before it happened, now heB >           says that this wasn't a serious statement...  Ford andE >           GM have been buying up lots of International auto makers,d >           too. > G >         - The largest banking/insurance merger of all time, Citibank/eF >           Travelers sailed through even though it was illegal at theG >           time the merger occurred (!)  Citibank/Travelers merged andoG >           got those pesky banking laws that didn't allow banks to owniH >           Insurance companies changed after the fact.  While it's trueG >           that Congress is to blame for changing the law, the ClintonoH >           administration had the responsibility to execute the currentI >           law and not just look the other way while this was happening.  > M >         - The largest 3 media mergers (Viacom/CBS, Disney/ABC/Cap, AOL/TW).6I >           Wonder why you don't know that Clinton was big bidness's best H >           buddy?  The MEDIA didn't report it after all... coincidence?D >           (Considerable consolidation also occurred in Newspapers,G >           Radio properties, regional television, but these were smalls, >           potatoes compared to the above.) > G > Now, as for Mr. Bush.  The only Bush agenda item that's looks certaintI > so far is a tax cut that will benefit the poorest tax payers first, andeH > the poorest tax payers get by far the greatest percentage benefit.  NoH > corporate or capital gains taxes have yet been proposed by Bush, whichH > would really benefit his corporate masters, were he the lackey you say > he is. > J > Of course, Mr. Bush maybe listening to some corporate interests, I don'tH > deny it.  It's only the John McCain's of the world who seem to believeL > that everyone should have free speech, unless you have lots of money, then > you should be silenced.w > O > >> Is this likely to still be the case or has the DOJ viewpoint not changed ?- > >-H > >The DOJ tends to be strongly influenced by the feelings of the gov't. > >leaders.c > > I > >> BTW, is there a general move in the US to all things Microsoft or dorK > >> people still regard VMS/Unix/whatever as the correct tools for the job ( > >> when it comes to critical systems ? > >6J > >With the release of the news that even the U.S. military is buying intoI > >Redmond's bulls--t, the perception that Micro$hit is all things to allMH > >{sheep,lemmings,whatever-works-for-you} is likely to be proliferated. > >o- > >> Here in the UK, we have to deal with the  > >> following:  > >>6 > >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19239.html > >aG > >This is yet another example of Redmond's bully tactics: lock out theTJ > >competition, rather than ensuring the greatest possible user base. TheyI > >may have achieved their greedy goals in the UK - so be it. My feeling,sE > >however, is that other such entities will be inclined to learn theeK > >lessons of this debacle (no guarantees, naturally) and ban M$ from their G > >gov't "portal"s for such counter-competitive, monopolistic nonsense.n > > E > >Here's a bit of "innovation" I'll bet you'll never see come out ofCK > >Redmond: play nice with the rest of the world, instead of trying to rule1 > >it. > >0 > >--m > >David J. Dachtera > >dba DJE Systems > >http://www.djesys.com/e > >-= > >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:m" > >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > >SI > >This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postingsl > >is to be expected.e > >eC > >Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.C > >-I > >However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, arem > >strongly discouraged. >  > -Jordan Hendersonj > jordan@greenapple.comA   -- g Andrew Harrison- Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:45:10 GMT.B From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?3 Message-ID: <GwQR6.841$v4.34269@www.newsranger.com>t  K On Thu, 31 May 2001 14:12:26 -0500, in article <3B16979A.3EA1AFBB@fsi.net>,r David J. Dachtera wrote: >  >Jordan Henderson wrote: >> m* >> In article <3B14F209.C0A7D90C@fsi.net>,3 >> David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:n >> >Simon Clubley wrote: >> >> 2 >> >> What is the current Microsoft v DOJ status ? >> >>-R >> >> I'm British and live in the UK, so I don't really know which way the currentQ >> >> US administration is likely to go with this. I do know that prior to the USsL >> >> election, the feeling in this newsgroup was that a Bush administrationI >> >> would be less likely to continue with the action against Microsoft.i >> >E >> >Experience with the "Dubbya" admin. tends to bear out the group'sMH >> >initial take on the matter. He's a corporate lackey - period, end of >> >statement. >> > >> 8E >> I try to avoid political discussions in this forum.  I don't thinkm >> people come here for this.n >> aE >> I can't let this stand unchallenged, however, because Mr. DachterabE >> seems to have appointed himself spokesman for the group and deignsl. >> to give out our initial take on the matter. > G >Careful there! I was merely echoing Simon's assessment, and stating anl >opinion thereafter. >eD >YMMV, as always, but Please! ...don't go putting words in my mouth. >.- >(Subsequent political debate items deleted.)r >n  H The responses to my original questions, certainly Andrew's, seem to haveM taken on a political flavour. I would just like to point out that my originalxN question was _NOT_ based on a political viewpoint and if a Gore administrationL had developed a "let Microsoft off" approach, I would be equally annoyed andI concerned. Of course, based on responses here, we still don't know if the - Bush administration has taken this viewpoint.-  O To move this back to VMS, my concern was that if Microsoft win, then they wouldsH feel free to go all out into the high-end server area, regardless of theM relative merits of the MS versus non-MS operating systems. People here should.N also remember that people generally do not miss something that they have neverH experienced; in other words, if you have never been exposed to somethingL like VMS, then you will not miss it when you are given a Microsoft solution.   Simon.   -- a; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPiK Worrying idea #101: What if Microsoft goes into the Ada compiler business ?h   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.302 ************************