1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 03 Jun 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 306       Contents:, Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun& Cancel <VA.000003a5.2743fffc@sture.ch>& Cancel <VA.000003af.28c167d6@sture.ch> Re: CD-RW on a VMS system.' Re: CHARON-VAX: Help/mess does not work  disabling floppy drive Re: disk benchmarking  Re: disk benchmarking  Re: disk benchmarking  Re: disk benchmarking 2 Re: Function to measure time for command execution& Re: How to config and start decnet OSID Re: Presentation Collateral From VMS Technical Update Days in London" Providence and Worchester Railroad2 Re: Providence and Worchester Railroad, and Alphas2 Re: Providence and Worchester Railroad, and Alphas) Re: RaidArray 310/HSZ20 Firmware Question ( Re: Voice-Modem under VMS: Any Feedback?D Was: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? Now gateway.gov.uk and M$) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 09:07:33 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun + Message-ID: <VA.000003ac.278bfdba@sture.ch>   N In article <HFSQ6.7340$QP6.4632513@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, Terry C. Shannon  wrote:6 > From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 7 > Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun % > Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:22:15 GMT  >  > It was written...  > $ > > > > Sun buying Compaq, unlikely. > > > M > > > Why not ? Sun would be able to cannabalise Compaq's microsoft alliances  > and N > > > operations and focus on *real* enterprise solutions. It would be a major > kickH > > > in the ass to Bill Gates since Compaq would then become a rival to > Microsoft. > > > N > > > Sun would gain access to Alpha which it could market (and use on its ownL > > > systems) and show a clear lead in technology over those that are based > on* > > > Intel's delayed 64 bit architecture. > L > Truth be told, Digital ported Solaris to Alpha back in the mid-90s just toM > prove it could be done. And there were 1995 backchannel discussions between G > the two vendors re: Digital adopting--and enhancing--Solaris, and Sun  > adopting Alpha.  > M And I heard around that time that they'd even got CICS running on Alpha as a   proof of concept thing.  ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 14:09:19 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>/ Subject: Cancel <VA.000003a5.2743fffc@sture.ch> + Message-ID: <VA.000003ae.28a0441d@sture.ch>    Message cancelled by author    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 14:48:34 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>/ Subject: Cancel <VA.000003af.28c167d6@sture.ch> + Message-ID: <VA.000003b0.28c432ed@sture.ch>    Message cancelled by author    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jun 2001 00:49 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) # Subject: Re: CD-RW on a VMS system. , Message-ID: <3JUN200100491671@gerg.tamu.edu>  ? "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> writes... " }This is the best I've got so far. } J }LGB_PHJ> cdrecord -V speed=1 dev=0,2,0 -data DKA100:[FILES]PHJ$DKA0.ROM;1> }Cdrecord release 1.8a9 Copyright (C) 1995-1998 Jvrg Schilling  C The version may be your problem, or at least a contributing factor.  Version 1.10a07 is available: B ftp://v36.chemie.uni-konstanz.de/cdrecord_vms/CDRECORD-1_10A07.ZIP     --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 08:19:21 +0200 , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>0 Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX: Help/mess does not work& Message-ID: <3B19D6E9.CCCF1057@gmx.ch>   Hunter Goatley wrote:  > / > If you have a CHARON-VAX that came with V6.2, > > then you're most likely running the ancient proof-of-concept= > kit, which had a number of problems (and this could explain " > your CD-R access problems, too).   Surely you hit it. Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 07:41:17 -0700% From: "Herb Wong" <wongh@pcmagic.net>  Subject: disabling floppy drive ) Message-ID: <3b1a4d6d_3@news.pcmagic.net>   H I have a ALPHA server 1000. O believe there is a problem with the floppyJ drive controller . When I run the console 'TEST" command, it get errors onI the drive. I have tried replacing the drive and cable, there is still the L problem. I believe there is a floppy drive controller problem. When I try yoD install VMS 6.x thry VMS 7.x, I get a bugcheck dump when the installA procedure trys to poll the floppy drive. The error message is I/O E inconsistant database. However if I install TRUX64 or LINUX I have no K problems. My question is: Is there anyway to disable the floppy so that VMS  does not try to check for it??   Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 02:29:25 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: disk benchmarking+ Message-ID: <3B19D945.8108F097@bigfoot.com>    Dear Mr. Sture,   Q First of all, I am not Japanese, nor do I have a hump on my back, although if you U insist on refering to my last name as Moto instead of Mootoo, I may develop a chip on S my shoulder (toward you). Secondly, if you were to take the time to read the entire T thread you would see that I am not the agressor here. Thirdly, if you sincerely meanU what you say about keeping it technical, your threat is highly inconsistent with this U aim (hypocritical in fact).  Fourthly, if you did read the entire thread, then one is P left to conclude that you are highly biased toward your friends, in which case IM suggest to take the first jet out of switzerland, as you are in conflict with R national policy there. Fifthly, if this is your way of getting acquainted, how the hell are ya man?   HM   Paul Sture wrote:   B > In article <3B17DB74.B6E1E0B1@bigfoot.com>, Hamlyn Mootoo wrote:, > > From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms " > > Subject: Re: disk benchmarking) > > Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:14:12 -0400  > > R > > Am I gettin' to ya Mr. Bill?  Running out of adjectives I see.  Would you likeR > > to purchase a vowel, or is that the last we shall hear from you poor, dear Mr.	 > > Bill. S > > Feel free to fire the full litany of your foul-mouthed arsenal at me so you can I > > best illustrate to all who read, what a learned professional you are.  > >  > Mr Moto, a question: > C > Did you pay for the 5 minute argument or the full  half hour one?  > > > Please stop the personal attacks. They will get you nowhere. > M > Of course if you persist I shall enjoy ripping you to shreds. This is not a K > threat, but a promise. But I'd much prefer it if you got back to sensible  > technical topics.  > ___  > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 20:05:38 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  Subject: Re: disk benchmarking5 Message-ID: <01K4CC928HR600101T@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    Hamlyn,    >Dear Mr. Sture,  Q Within this newsgroup/mailing list (and others), this form of address invariable   heralds an insulting response.  R >First of all, I am not Japanese, nor do I have a hump on my back, although if youV >insist on refering to my last name as Moto instead of Mootoo, I may develop a chip on  ^^^^^^ R a one time response with a possibly mistaken typing of your name does not read as 
 "insistence".     T >my shoulder (toward you). Secondly, if you were to take the time to read the entireU >thread you would see that I am not the agressor here. Thirdly, if you sincerely mean 5                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 0 But you were in the post that Paul responded to.  V >what you say about keeping it technical, your threat is highly inconsistent with thisV >aim (hypocritical in fact).  Fourthly, if you did read the entire thread, then one isQ >left to conclude that you are highly biased toward your friends, in which case I @                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^P Few of us are actually friends, most are just names in the newsgroup (I've only P actually met two people who reside here).  We judge each other by the technical T content combined with our own experience.  Your responses have only appeared in the V past few weeks and many seem to have technical merit (I cannot judge in all fields).   Don't spoil it.     U Yes, I felt that Paul (unusually) was "over the top" in his last paragraph, but many  V of us get exasperated when, within a very good technical forum (with some interesting R humour and OTs), discussion degenerates to personality conflicts and abuse.  This O seemed the purport of his penultimate paragraph.  I thought most of this abuse  M disappeared with the demise of CJL and the disappearance of his neophyte, MT.   N >suggest to take the first jet out of switzerland, as you are in conflict withS >national policy there. Fifthly, if this is your way of getting acquainted, how the  >hell are ya man?  >  >HM   I What national policy?  I can't see anything political in Paul's response.    >Paul Sture wrote: > C >> In article <3B17DB74.B6E1E0B1@bigfoot.com>, Hamlyn Mootoo wrote: - >> > From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>  >> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms# >> > Subject: Re: disk benchmarking * >> > Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:14:12 -0400 >> >S >> > Am I gettin' to ya Mr. Bill?  Running out of adjectives I see.  Would you like S >> > to purchase a vowel, or is that the last we shall hear from you poor, dear Mr. 
 >> > Bill.T >> > Feel free to fire the full litany of your foul-mouthed arsenal at me so you canJ >> > best illustrate to all who read, what a learned professional you are. >> > >> Mr Moto, a question:  >>D >> Did you pay for the 5 minute argument or the full  half hour one? >>? >> Please stop the personal attacks. They will get you nowhere.  >>N >> Of course if you persist I shall enjoy ripping you to shreds. This is not aL >> threat, but a promise. But I'd much prefer it if you got back to sensible >> technical topics. >> ___
 >> Paul Sture  >> Switzerland   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia    Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people, ; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 14:09:19 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: disk benchmarking+ Message-ID: <VA.000003ad.28a0430e@sture.ch>    Dear Mr Mootoo.   F I really prefer the fifth option (I'm fine thank you). Let's leave it  at that. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 16:05:00 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: disk benchmarking+ Message-ID: <VA.000003b3.290a2b85@sture.ch>   = In article <01K4CC928HR600101T@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>,  wrote:  > M > Yes, I felt that Paul (unusually) was "over the top" in his last paragraph,   B And message withdrawn. Apologies that it escaped before reviewing. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jun 2001 01:37 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ; Subject: Re: Function to measure time for command execution , Message-ID: <3JUN200101371150@gerg.tamu.edu>  ] In article <3B19B70D.9366D810@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes...  }Paul Repacholi wrote: }>  ; }> andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft) writes:  }>  E }> > In the UNIX world there is a command "time" which can be used to I }> > measure the time elapsed, CPU and real, of a command, e.g. # time ls  }>  / }> > Is there anyway of doing this within VMS ?  }>   }> See SET ACCOUNT/IMAGE } G }Do tell - I find it in the .CLD (as output by VERB) and in the on-line G }doc. (http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/), but not in the on-line help  }for V7.2-1. }  }--  }David J. Dachtera  G It is presumably an obsolete equivalent to SET ACCOUNTING/ENABLE=IMAGE. D (It isn't in the on-line help for V5.5-2 either, so it would have to be really old.)    --- Carl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:40:47 +01009 From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOTbutcherATxdeltaDOTcoDOTuk> / Subject: Re: How to config and start decnet OSI A Message-ID: <991582688.29906.0.nnrp-10.9e98f8e9@news.demon.co.uk>   # Re: Philosophy of approach to this.   D If you look at my original suggestion to fix the "ethernet interfaceE hardware is now different" problem then you'll see that my first (and L recommended) solution is to use NETCONFIG or NET$CONFIGURE and probably alsoJ UCX$CONFIG or TCPIP$CONFIG if there's a corresponding IP interface problemJ to the DECnet interface problem. Clearly for DECnet-Plus over IP it's alsoF necessary to configure TCP/IP and get the PWIP driver running as well.  J The editing of NCL files or manually defining NCP databases (and the UCX /F TCPIP equivalents) are only given as a quick hack way of doing it. TheH implicit deal is that if you do the quick hack way then you have to knowK enough about it to know more or less what the "approved methods" would have L done for you and you accept that it is potentially capable of biting you one day. Your call.   K It all depends on the circumstances, but in general my preferred method for H things is to always use supported procedures, use command files wherever@ possible and never do anything as an unrecorded, unrepeatable orK undocumented piece of vandalism. Like many others I've wasted too much time I over the years trying to reconstruct what someone else might have done in ; order to fix it properly when it's all gone horribly wrong.    -- Hope this helps. Colin # (colinDOTbutcherATxdeltaDOTcoDOTuk)     C <Me@home.com> wrote in message news:9f8d32$fss$1@news.netmar.com... 
 > Steve said:  > ' > >I would suggest that Colin is right.  > > J > >DECnet/OSI (or DECnet Phase V) is not configured using tcpip$config.com soE > >there would be little benefit from processing tcpip$config.com and ( > >selecting anything from there anyway. > F > Steve, I am sorry but afaik, DECnet OSI will use "over IP", so it is correct  > toJ > say that the TCP/IP interface should be configured with the TCPIP$CONFIG > file.  > E > I always recommend to use the procedures which have been written by 
 > Engineering J > to help Customers to quickly and efficiently use the products they need. > K > If you go directly to NCL, you take the risk to desynchronize some params  > which L > may be set up by nested procedures. In our case, yes, it is easy to change > the K > good one, but our job here is not only to help but also to... how could I  say G > that in English? to tell the new users how to learn the products, the 
 > interfaces, J > the spirit of the products (even if there is a big gap between DECnet IV and  > DECnet V spirit).  > I > In French we say "If someone is starving, give him a fish but teach him  alsoJ > how to fish". Teaching someone new at all this to patch an automaticallyJ > generated file (via sys$manager:net$configure, run *after* tcpip$config) is > to > me not the best way. > I > But anyway, the most important is that the user has his problem solved,  isn't  > it?  > F >  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the	 eb  ----- H >   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsK >    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts < > made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 14:45:31 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>M Subject: Re: Presentation Collateral From VMS Technical Update Days in London + Message-ID: <VA.000003af.28c167d6@sture.ch>   N In article <LzDQ6.9613$zl5.3526557@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, Terry C. Shannon  wrote:6 > From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>& > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sys.decO > Subject: Re: Presentation Collateral From VMS Technical Update Days in London % > Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 02:11:55 GMT  >  > + > :> http://www.compaq.co.uk/campaigns/vms/  >  > Even wackier is: > , > Compaq PCs use genuine Microsoft Windows$ > www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell >  > F > Even better is the International Debt to Bill Gates calculator. ThisN > exciting cash-o-meter tells you, IN REAL TIME, just how much software piracy > costs! >  > ; > http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell/why/default.aspk > M Doesn't work for me. Maybe I should download IE to get it in its full glory. f  Nah, don't think I'll bother :-) > P The following rather grabbed my attention, as I'd just been _fighting_ Excel to  save some work*:  P "Software piracy continues unabated, robbing the industry of thousands of jobs, O billions in wages, tax revenues and critical investments in new technologies," eL according to Robert Holleyman, president and CEO, Business Software Alliance  L * We've been having intermittant network problems and unfortunately one hit P when trying to save the file. No problem, I'll save it to my local disk - WRONG 9 - it wouldn't let me do that either. Totally inexcusable.0  > How much does this sort of thing cost the industry as a whole?  M I've decided to start logging any time lost due to Windows problems. If more fF folks did that and recorded it on timesheets maybe we'd get somewhere. ___,
 Paul Sture Switzerland:   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jun 2001 08:39:00 -0500s9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)r+ Subject: Providence and Worchester Railroad13 Message-ID: <4UPRDEr2vqJs@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  E I went on an excursion yesterday to tour the Nautilus (first nuclear)aD submarine at Groton Connecticut.  The carrier was the Providence andF Worchester Railroad, a generally-freight railroad that happens to haveA tracks that go right past the submarine base and _in_between_ thei- Nautilus and the associated submarine museum.o  E Being quite interested in (as distinguished from knowledgeable about) H railroads, I bought a souvenir book about the Providence and Worchester.D The booklet told an impressive story about how the railroad had beenF dormant for over 75 years (renting their lines to the New Haven). WhenC the New York Central went under, the Providence and Worchester tookeD control of their lines again and actually started _buying_ strategic: lines from other railroads that were going down the tubes.  C And in the middle of this history was their computing history, from C PDP-11s to VAX11-785 through to Alpha 2100.   I suppose they are in0C the same situation as the Indiana Toll Road in use of VMS, there is B no need to grossly increase computer capacity since a commensurateG increase in bandwidth of the physical plant defies the laws of physics.-   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jun 2001 09:09:56 -0500s7 From: hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) ; Subject: Re: Providence and Worchester Railroad, and Alphasc3 Message-ID: <BoifUCLaBJDJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   	 Hi Larry,0  E I was surprised to see that the P&W carried passengers; I thought it WC was all freight.  There are some tracks parallelling the BlackstoneL. River in Uxbridge, a few miles away from here.  C Regarding your last paragraph, I wonder if the fact that Alphas areoE so powerful, actually hurts repeat sales among its customers.  In oureE own instance, the 8400's we have are more than enough computing powereG for the next five years or so; we may have to upgrade the I/O subsystemaG before then, but it is also just as likely that the application will goZ% away or get ported to a UNIX machine.-  H Does this situation play itself out with a majority of COMPAQ's customer base?M   --Brad  p >In article <4UPRDEr2vqJs@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:G > I went on an excursion yesterday to tour the Nautilus (first nuclear) F > submarine at Groton Connecticut.  The carrier was the Providence andH > Worchester Railroad, a generally-freight railroad that happens to haveC > tracks that go right past the submarine base and _in_between_ the-/ > Nautilus and the associated submarine museum.m > G > Being quite interested in (as distinguished from knowledgeable about)-J > railroads, I bought a souvenir book about the Providence and Worchester.F > The booklet told an impressive story about how the railroad had beenH > dormant for over 75 years (renting their lines to the New Haven). WhenE > the New York Central went under, the Providence and Worchester took F > control of their lines again and actually started _buying_ strategic< > lines from other railroads that were going down the tubes. > E > And in the middle of this history was their computing history, fromHE > PDP-11s to VAX11-785 through to Alpha 2100.   I suppose they are insE > the same situation as the Indiana Toll Road in use of VMS, there ishD > no need to grossly increase computer capacity since a commensurateI > increase in bandwidth of the physical plant defies the laws of physics.j   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jun 2001 13:33:21 -0500m9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n; Subject: Re: Providence and Worchester Railroad, and Alphase3 Message-ID: <xNA82p9VzPYo@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  m In article <BoifUCLaBJDJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:d  G > I was surprised to see that the P&W carried passengers; I thought it eE > was all freight.  There are some tracks parallelling the Blackstonen0 > River in Uxbridge, a few miles away from here.  B The only passenger service is excursion charters, about 2 a month.  E > Regarding your last paragraph, I wonder if the fact that Alphas aregG > so powerful, actually hurts repeat sales among its customers.  In our G > own instance, the 8400's we have are more than enough computing powereI > for the next five years or so; we may have to upgrade the I/O subsystemBI > before then, but it is also just as likely that the application will go ' > away or get ported to a UNIX machine.p  @ Cost is incurred by a customer every time things have to change,? independent of the cost of new hardware.  Leaving this the samen< is often more economical, but not all managers realize this.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 15:33:06 GMTi- From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com>y2 Subject: Re: RaidArray 310/HSZ20 Firmware Question( Message-ID: <3B1A58A4.A9E23081@home.com>   dittman@dittman.net wrote: > 4 > What is the latest version of the firmware for the5 > HSZ20 controller in a RaidArray 310?  I'm currentlys > running V31Z-0.t > 3 > Also, I've seen references to patches for V31Z-0,p4 > but the only one's I've found on Compaq's web site1 > were for V30Z.  Does anyone have these patches?i  @ 	My RA310 also has V31Z-0.  I have not heard of a newer release,. but if you find one I would be interested too!  
 Rick Dyson -- u dyson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jun 2001 12:11:31 GMTi3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann).1 Subject: Re: Voice-Modem under VMS: Any Feedback? 0 Message-ID: <9fd9hj$2nd$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  Y In article <2238.990795302194@iw0.mailusenet.com>, nclews <nclews at csc dot com> writes:  >I
 >In reply to: N >http://www.etin.com/article/Article.jsp?messageID=24807838&folder=comp.os.vmsO >>some weeks ago I put my software to use a voice modem under VMS on our serveriI >>for download. Some people did download it but I never got any feedback.dL >>Thus, to those of you who already tried it: did it work? What problems did >>you encounter? >hX >hi, yes we tried it. We do on call shift changeovers at odd times and we have automatedE >the telephone switch programming from VMS and also make a test call.d >tW >we want to use your software in this way, when the test call is made, a message is puthV >out on the phone when the call is made rather than just an 'empty' call from a modem. > G >our config is vms 7.2-1 decserver 700 and a hayes accura speakerphone.h >sX >the software would not actually work directly, we dunno if it was a modem config issue,P >terminal setting or what. however we figured out what it was doing and manually6 >copying the sample voice file to the modem does work. >aQ >We define the logical to the LTA device, then with PHONE as a foreign command...  >  >$ PHONE sample.vox 5 123456789 	 >It says:c >"Initializing...j >Terminating...s >  >No number reached > * >%NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 00000002" > 7 >(obviously 123456789 is replaced a real phone number!)aU >Ideally we would like to record our own message and be able to play it under programd	 >control.e  @ I assume then that the program PHONE_RECEIVE didn't work either?  F >Any change of providing the source we could work on, any other ideas?  N The source is in Pascal and requires our special environment to compile. So asJ it won't compile I didn't provide it. I'll modify the program to give some, better debugging info and see what I can do.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 16:00:53 +0100m  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>M Subject: Was: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? Now gateway.gov.uk and M$u+ Message-ID: <VA.000003b2.290665df@sture.ch>h  K In article <zQ5R6.5115$rn5.255132@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley wrote:y   [snip]  F > BTW, is there a general move in the US to all things Microsoft or doH > people still regard VMS/Unix/whatever as the correct tools for the jobN > when it comes to critical systems ? Here in the UK, we have to deal with the > following: > 3 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19239.htmlp >.M (This is the one entitled "MS-built UK 'Government Gateway' locks out non-MS r browsers").v  O Interesting reading when you put it together with a few other things. Remember  < "All your data are belong to us" and the Passport.com stuff?  N At the time I took a peek at the Passport site and found "Passport for Kids". O No name required, just area and city, but whoops parental controls can only be  M enabled by a credit card. A promise that it won't be charged and is used for mM identification purposes only. BanG! They've got your credit card details and 0 your kids' surfing habits.  K Does the UK Govt site use Passport? I have no idea, but given the speed of tH implementation, I wouldn't be surprised if the same technology was used.  E Back to the Reg article: "The Government Gateway site currently uses eM certificates from Equifax and ChamberSign, and these don't work with the Mac 2 either."   From gateway.gov.uk:  6 "A digital certificate is required for many Government  transactions.  B  A certificate is a piece of encrypted software that confirms your;  identity and establishes your authority (or credential) to 5  perform a particular task. You can register with the-8  Government Gateway using your certificate. Certificates'  provide very high levels of security."   m. So you need a personal certificate apparently.  N Equifax? Isn't that one of the 2 largest credit reference agencies in the UK? M Yep, see http://www.equifax.co.uk/equifax/consumer/faqs.html for the kind of   details they store on you.  K Whilst I've no reason to believe that Equifax are anything but a reputable nJ company, I'm kind of uneasy when I see M$ _and_ a credit reference agency M _and_ tax details thrown into the same pot. (but boy, I'll bet that M$ would  ( love to get hold of Equifax's database).  K Oh, and from gateway.gov.uk: "Your browser must have Javascript and Cookiesc2 enabled, and be capable of supporting 128bit SSL".   Yeah, right. ___r
 Paul Sture Switzerlandd   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jun 2001 08:14:12 CDTU= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.021386.killspam.015b (Wayne Sewell)e2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?. Message-ID: <NRcKfI8+we5Y@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  \ In article <3B197167.32130257@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:   > P > Very few people *need* an SUV.  How many kilometres of road in the USA require > a 4wd vehicle ?. >   N That's not why people buy SUVs.  The whole point of an SUV is to make sure the6 occupant(s) of the *other* vehicle die in a collision.     -- mO ===============================================================================rM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxs: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)nO ===============================================================================fK Hotel guy (after bed demolition):  That bed goes back to Henry the eighth!!iO    Curly: That's nothin'!  We had a bed go back to Sears and Roebuck the fifth!t   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 16:36:34 GMTo= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)s2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?0 Message-ID: <009FCFB2.49851C1F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <NRcKfI8+we5Y@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.021386.killspam.015b (Wayne Sewell) writes:] >In article <3B197167.32130257@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:L >  >> oQ >> Very few people *need* an SUV.  How many kilometres of road in the USA require  >> a 4wd vehicle ? >>   >eO >That's not why people buy SUVs.  The whole point of an SUV is to make sure the 7 >occupant(s) of the *other* vehicle die in a collision.e  F But considering the rollover statistics of a great many of these SUVs,G the occupant death statistics closely correlate with the rollover stat- G istics of the SUVs.  That defeats your hypothesis for purchase impetus.u     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.306 ************************