1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 08 Jun 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 315       Contents:, Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun, Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun, RE: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun, Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun, Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun, Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun' %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message? + Re: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message?  .CLD file size limits  Re: .CLD file size limits 7 =?Big5?B?pOW+zLCqr8Wk5b7Msqa3fqTlvsy+x6RoutOkaL3StXs=?=  =?Big5?B?uNu4db3StXuxwLxzrfs=?=  A COBOL Question Re: A COBOL Question Re: Another COBOL Question Re: Another COBOL Question7 Re: Anyone esle use Sybase client to access ASE on VMS? ) Re: Astronomy programs for Alpha / VMS??? ) Re: Astronomy programs for Alpha / VMS??? / DECamds vs Availability Manager - Some Findings 6 Deliver- mail handling for VMS will it work on 7.2-1 ?3 Re: esa12000fc and ema12000 differences/experiences < Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ st< Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ st< Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ st< Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ st< Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ st< Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ st< How to run TCL Scripts on Open VMS from the DCL Command Line@ Re: How to run TCL Scripts on Open VMS from the DCL Command Line@ Re: How to run TCL Scripts on Open VMS from the DCL Command Line@ Re: How to run TCL Scripts on Open VMS from the DCL Command Line2 Re: Hydro, was (OT) Current Microsoft V DOJ status Re: I demand your respect   I paid for my new boat with this Re: Is it just me? laser supplies6 Re: Low level format of SCSI disk, so VMS can read it./ New Cognos ADT User Group for Northern Illinois  NFS mount problem  Re: NFS mount problem N Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation-addendumN Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation-addendum Re: select() on non-sockets  Re: select() on non-sockets P Re: Temperature (was Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ sP Re: Temperature (was Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ sP Re: Temperature (was Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ s RE: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  RE: The future of VMS  RE: The future of VMS  RE: The future of VMS  RE: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? 9 Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS) 9 Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS) 9 RE: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS) 9 Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS) 9 Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)  UAF> create/proxy  ??? Re: UAF> create/proxy  ???A Re: UPDATE - finding the dec-net ethernet address using vms 5.5-2 A Re: UPDATE - finding the dec-net ethernet address using vms 5.5-2 $ UPDATE - Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML: Re: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS WorkstationsP Re: VAXLINK2.EXE for OpenVMS version 7.1 (Reflections terminal Emulation) - Can  VMS / NT integration  RE: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML?  Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML? Re: What does READ/NEW do ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 14:04:24 -0400 / From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) 5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun * Message-ID: <9fofn8$d8i$1@lisa.gemair.com>  * In article <3B1FB970.F65A7865@uk.sun.com>,1 andrew harrison  <Andrew.Harrison@Sun.COM> wrote:  >  >[snip]  > + >Perhaps next time Rob Young or one of the  , >other OpenVMS choir members starts a thread. >about the Marvels of Marvel you could chip in# >with your requests for no futures.  > - >As it is I don't remember you ever pointing  + >out that Rob was talking about vapour ware  >so I will ignore your post. >     2 Setting aside this particular thread for a minute,1 where it may or may not have been appropriate for 0 you to bring into the discussion the performance7 of future systems, I would like to point out that when  6 some OpenVMS user/support/advocate posts about future 5 Alpha system performance they are, at least, on topic  for this forum.   1 I wouldn't think that requires any special notice 
 by anyone.   >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect   -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:52:18 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun = Message-ID: <C3QT6.25013$zl5.7961480@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>    > > < > > When will you stop referring to system that will come??? > , > Good god the cheek, remember I am replying+ > to Terrys estimates of the performance of , > a yet to be announced, yet to be delivered > Alpha server.  >   J Would that the estimates were low (they are not) and the delivery date was 4CQ01 or beyond (it's not).   D Of course, with all the thousands of SunFires now running the vastlyL expanding dot-com world (McNealy said that in Week One the StarFire midframeI outsold IBM, et al, hence there MUST be thousands of 'em installed and up E and running in the field right now) there won't be any market for the  mythical 1GHz GS320.  J As for McNealy, he was damned conspicuous in his absence from the earningsD warning of Thursday last. He musta been out selling another thousand StarFires, eh...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:30:10 -0500 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> 5 Subject: RE: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1F0A@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----> > From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com [mailto:jordan@lisa.gemair.com]  , > In article <3B1FB970.F65A7865@uk.sun.com>,  4 > Setting aside this particular thread for a minute,3 > where it may or may not have been appropriate for 2 > you to bring into the discussion the performance9 > of future systems, I would like to point out that when  8 > some OpenVMS user/support/advocate posts about future 7 > Alpha system performance they are, at least, on topic  > for this forum.   3 > I wouldn't think that requires any special notice  > by anyone.  K Sure.  I also think that Sun numbers -- as relative to Alpha are pertinent, < too.  They are still competitors, whether we like it or not.   Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:45:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun , Message-ID: <3B1FD9D9.DE03BA8E@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: L > As for McNealy, he was damned conspicuous in his absence from the earningsF > warning of Thursday last. He musta been out selling another thousand > StarFires, eh...  N You can find all the faults in Sun, but at least Sun isn't actively preventingH its best products from being marketed and has no problem pitching is ownE products against Microsoft's.  Compaq's handling of VMS is not *that* L significantly different from Palmer's. They may have stopped actively tryingN to kill VMS, but it is still told to stay put in the small market niches where it can't hurt Microsoft.   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Jun 2001 03:46:01 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun - Message-ID: <87vgm8xedi.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   7 "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:   B > It would be nice to say that, but the Pro group was the my first@ > engineering job after comming in from the NY software servicesE > organization.  There were a bunch of stupid decisions made, by some A > people who appeared to be quite smart.  I made a number of, ah, B > non-friends at the time by pointing out just how stupid a few ofB > their decisions were.  It wasn't just the people outside the Pro > group making bad decisions.   / Ah, so you would remember Hugo Z. Hackenbush :)   B > The true shame is, at about the time we were working on the Pro,E > Apple came out with the Lisa.  A lot of people, including some like C > Gordon Bell - said "this" is what we should be building.  What we A > ended up with was... ah...  a crippled RSX system with the most B > absurd menu system ever devised.  Despite having done a few neatE > things.  The user interface was neither "just gimme RSX with MCR or D > DCL" - which the existing customers wanted - or a useable GUI that > anyone else would want.   E The was a huge demand for a Pro with RT/RSTS/RSX. RT was pretty quick D off the mark, RSTS later I think, but the RSX users got shafted with a POX only policy.  C The UI was I've thought a very good addition *for the right place*. G It was fast, smallish and very good for the canned user system. I would F hate to try to squeeze a full graphical UI into the 11s address space.  A Sadly, POX never had MCR restored, and POSUM and the UI was never C moved to standard RSX, or, for that matter, VMS. And doing POX with > MCR/DCL would have been LESS work that locking people into the standard UI.  D Fred, you may know this; I was told it would have been very straightB forward to extend POSUM to work with terminals for most functions. Would that have been so?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:33:50 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> 5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun , Message-ID: <3B201D6E.5171A0D0@infopuls.com>   andrew harrison wrote: >  > Christof Brass wrote:  > 7 > > > Actually it isn't good enough. It won't beat IBMs 6 > > > Regatta when it comes out and the USIII machines2 > > > from Sun will also make it look pretty poor. > > < > > When will you stop referring to system that will come??? > , > Good god the cheek, remember I am replying+ > to Terrys estimates of the performance of , > a yet to be announced, yet to be delivered > Alpha server.  > + > Perhaps next time Rob Young or one of the - > other OpenVMS choir members starts a thread / > about the Marvels of Marvel you could chip in $ > with your requests for no futures. > - > As it is I don't remember you ever pointing , > out that Rob was talking about vapour ware > so I will ignore your post.  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison  > Enterprise IT Architect    Thanks.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 14:50:57 -0500 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message?3 Message-ID: <bjRmqTNK312C@eisner.encompasserve.org>   = Compaq Fortran V7.3-965-44A1I running on Alpha OpenVMS 7.2-1.   G When I run the following Fortran 90 program with an intentional attempt E to allocate an already allocated array, I get a less than meaningfull B error message.  Am I missing a message file?  (I tried an explicit> set message on sys$message:f90$msg, sys$message:fort$msg, and  sys$message:fort$msg2.)    $type post.f90& integer, allocatable, target :: a(:,:) integer, pointer :: b(:)   allocate(a(3,100), b(100))  & allocate(a(1,2))    !intentional error end   	 $run post % %FOR-F-NOMSG, Message number 001884BC / %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows J   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PCT  DEC$FORRTL                                 0 000000000005C960      000000007C656960T  post  post$MAIN  POST$MAIN                 6 0000000000000100      0000000000030100T                                             0 FFFFFFFF84C573F4      FFFFFFFF84C573F4  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 19:20:17 GMT ) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) 4 Subject: Re: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message?' Message-ID: <9fok5h$s44$1@joe.rice.edu>   . Bob Koehler (koehler@encompasserve.org) wrote:  ? : Compaq Fortran V7.3-965-44A1I running on Alpha OpenVMS 7.2-1.   I : When I run the following Fortran 90 program with an intentional attempt G : to allocate an already allocated array, I get a less than meaningfull D : error message.  Am I missing a message file?  (I tried an explicit@ : set message on sys$message:f90$msg, sys$message:fort$msg, and  : sys$message:fort$msg2.)    : $type post.f90( : integer, allocatable, target :: a(:,:) : integer, pointer :: b(:)   : allocate(a(3,100), b(100))  ( : allocate(a(1,2))    !intentional error : end    : $run post ' : %FOR-F-NOMSG, Message number 001884BC   * Using  Ferry Bolhr's LOOK_MSG.COM script:     $ @look_msg 001884BC     Looking in UISMSGLOA.EXE... D   %SYSTEM-F-IVSECIDCTL, invalid section identification match control     --Jerry Leslie         ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 19:36:10 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)  Subject: .CLD file size limits5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-0LdddTghZQvV@localhost>    Hi  A      does anybody know if there is a maximum size that an object  F created from a .CLD file can have. I ask because I added a new option F to one of my commands this evening and when I tried to use it, I got aD 'Can't find item in table' message. It quotes the item it's looking E for but that isn't the one I'm parsing. I think it's the next one in  2 the .CLD file (I've come home now so can't check).  F If there is a limit on the number of items or tree or whatever the CLIF routines use, what is it? Is there a limit on the number of individualC tables too? (If there is a limit I dare say I'll have to split the  # commands up into different tables.)   F The error occurs on both VMS 6.2 AXP and VAX and VAX/VMS  5.5.4 (still my lowest common denominator),   Thanks in advance. --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:04:40 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: .CLD file size limits3 Message-ID: <s7RT6.1192$fi2.30107@news.cpqcorp.net>   e In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-0LdddTghZQvV@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes: B :     does anybody know if there is a maximum size that an object # :created from a .CLD file can have.   7   Likely, but I don't off-hand know the specific limit.   $ :I ask because I added a new option G :to one of my commands this evening and when I tried to use it, I got a E :'Can't find item in table' message. It quotes the item it's looking  F :for but that isn't the one I'm parsing. I think it's the next one in 3 :the .CLD file (I've come home now so can't check).      Just how big is this CLD?   5   Can you provide the big CLD and a small reproducer?   ?   Did you reinstall the command tables and reload them into the C   existing process(es) in question and/or log in anew?  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Web Sites Development and Programming using JAVA Script l" ]JAVA Script }oε{sg^ What is JavaScript, HTML-Document, Frames Programming, Status bar and Timeouts Programming, Predefined Objects, Forms Programming, Image Object.  0= _____________________________________________________________4= This message posted with trial version of Express News Poster-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 00:14:02 +0800< From: =?Big5?B?sU23fr7Ht3ytXrDqpGq+xw==?= <info@itma-uk.org>( Subject: =?Big5?B?uNu4db3StXuxwLxzrfs=?=- Message-ID: <9fo92o$4qd8500@rain.i-cable.com>    M~Ƿ|^j ۸uҵ{sAΥHW{ ~ιwͥi" upANйq Sunny Cheung c= _____________________________________________________________o= This message posted with trial version of Express News Postero   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:17:25 -05001 From: CINDY@BILBO.UINDY.EDUi Subject: A COBOL Questiona0 Message-ID: <010607121725.41868@BILBO.UINDY.EDU>   Hi All,r  L We currently have COBOL V2.4-919 installed on an Alpha running VMS 7.1.  We C are using this version of COBOL because it is the version that our e$ administrative software vendor uses.  N We also run a ZIP+4 coding product and that vendor just sent us a new release D of their software -- they are asking us to install DEC$COBRTL.EXE & K LIBOTS2.EXE from the COBOL V2.7 release -- they are making use of some new b$ features in these runtime libraries.  L My question is -- can we install the 2.7 runtime programs and still run the M 2.4 compilier without causing ourselves major headachs and also will we need eK to re-compile all the programs that we have so that they are using the new 1 2.7 RTL programs?t   Thanks..  M *****************************************************************************-G Cindy Steinmetz                            E-Mail: steinmetz@.uindy.eduaI Director of Entrprise Systems                      System@Bilbo.Uindy.EducA University of Indianapolis                    Fax: (317) 788-3300wA 1400 E Hanna Avenue                     Telephone: (317) 788-3361  Indianapolis, IN  46227-3630M ***************************************************************************** B          In Music there is harmony .... In harmony there is peace.M *****************************************************************************    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 15:57:04 -0500s9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n Subject: Re: A COBOL Questionr3 Message-ID: <uVnjF+3AGXm5@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  N In article <010607121725.41868@BILBO.UINDY.EDU>, CINDY@BILBO.UINDY.EDU writes:	 > Hi All,- > N > We currently have COBOL V2.4-919 installed on an Alpha running VMS 7.1.  We E > are using this version of COBOL because it is the version that our  & > administrative software vendor uses. > P > We also run a ZIP+4 coding product and that vendor just sent us a new release F > of their software -- they are asking us to install DEC$COBRTL.EXE & M > LIBOTS2.EXE from the COBOL V2.7 release -- they are making use of some new  & > features in these runtime libraries. > N > My question is -- can we install the 2.7 runtime programs and still run the O > 2.4 compilier without causing ourselves major headachs and also will we need t. It might work, but don't discard the old ones.  M > to re-compile all the programs that we have so that they are using the new e > 2.7 RTL programs?   A It should not.  If you have problems, rather than recompiling the B administrative software, I would suggest opening up the COBOL V2.7E installation kit and putting those two files in a separate directory,a such as:   	SYS$SYSDEVICE:[COBOL_027]  I Then just before running the ZIP+4 coding product, issue the two commands-  ; 	DEFINE/USER DEC$COBRTL SYS$SYSDEVICE:[COBOL_027]DEC$COBRTLF5 	DEFINE/USER LIBOTS2 SYS$SYSDEVICE:[COBOL_027]LIBOTS2-  I If the COBOL libraries are constructed according to normal VMS standards,oF that will work (provided that version of COBOL is compatible with yourL version of VMS.  (I presume you do not recompile the Zip+4 coding software.)   ================  J By the way, would you share with us the name of the ZIP+4 coding product ?   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 14:49:14 -0500o9 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)l# Subject: Re: Another COBOL Questionn3 Message-ID: <kGHvSRbLdOLx@eisner.encompasserve.org>O  K Another COBOL question. We've got a project that is using Micro FOCUS COBOL G instead of DEC/Q COBOL on Alpha. Since RISC really stands for "ReligateiI Important Stuff to the Compiler", and the third party compiler won't havenK the GEM optimizer, I've been wondering what kind of performance we're goingaK to get out of this compiler when the code goes into production. Has any onesL compared or benchmarked CompaQ COBOL vs Micro FOCUS Cobol against each other on an Alpha?  K Why are we doing this? The code is moving from Unisys (Burroughs) mainframe G COBOL, to Alpha/Tru64 COBOL, and the third party porting tool uses thisiC COBOL compiler. We don't yet know if the stuff will compile under aoH different compiler or not. But it might be worth a look for the possible performance gains.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 15:58:49 -0500n9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n# Subject: Re: Another COBOL Questiont3 Message-ID: <mfXzbhkaDZJ6@eisner.encompasserve.org>S  o In article <kGHvSRbLdOLx@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes:eM > Another COBOL question. We've got a project that is using Micro FOCUS COBOLtI > instead of DEC/Q COBOL on Alpha. Since RISC really stands for "Religate-K > Important Stuff to the Compiler", and the third party compiler won't have M > the GEM optimizer, I've been wondering what kind of performance we're going,M > to get out of this compiler when the code goes into production. Has any onelN > compared or benchmarked CompaQ COBOL vs Micro FOCUS Cobol against each other > on an Alpha? > M > Why are we doing this? The code is moving from Unisys (Burroughs) mainframetI > COBOL, to Alpha/Tru64 COBOL, and the third party porting tool uses thisgE > COBOL compiler. We don't yet know if the stuff will compile under aoJ > different compiler or not. But it might be worth a look for the possible > performance gains.  C I think of COBOL mainly in terms of programs that are I/O intensiveeD rather than CPU intensive, so GEM might not make a difference as far as optimization goes.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 23:27:53 -0500 C From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com>u@ Subject: Re: Anyone esle use Sybase client to access ASE on VMS?I Message-ID: <craig.berry-B2E0B6.23275307062001@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>c   Tzachi,F  F Thanks for the reply. I realize Attunity has a lot more to offer than E an ODBC client, but it also has a steeper learning curve if the ODBC  H client is all you need.  I haven't given up yet but it does take awhile G to get through 20MB of documentation.  Since the ODBC client is one of mG the three features emphasized in the "On Platform" package (along with rA Oracle and XML capabilities), it might be helpful if the Getting gE Started document had pointers to where else in the documentation one t: would go to find out how to set up an OpenVMS ODBC client.  0 In article <9fksig$bbb$1@news.netvision.net.il>,/  "Tzachi Nissim" <tzachi@attunity.co.il> wrote:h  K > Too bad you did not contact us to help you setup Attunity Connect on youriM > VMS machine. Being in R&D it is frustrating for me to see your comment, andhI > I forwarded it to our documentation manager and people in our marketingnJ > group. Its a shame that you gave up as the product is much more powerfulN > than simply an ODBC driver (which unfortunately also makes it more complex).F > We are also very committed to the VMS platform - both because of ourK > relationship with Compaq, but also because we as a company grew up in thes> > VMS world with a rich history of previous VMS-only products. > K > I hope you'll give us another shot at making a better first-impression ineE > the future :) We've got some really cool things in our new version,tM > including XML support and support for Sun's new Java Connector Architecturep8 > (JCA) for connecting to legacy applications from Java. > 
 > Regards, > Tzachi Nissim4 > Attunity R&D > C > "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@DELETETHIS.mac.com> wrote in messagei4 > news:5.1.0.14.0.20010604170743.01c0a468@exchi01..., > >  I've been looking into odbc clients forM > > OpenVMS and the two viable ones I've seen are from www.odbcsdk.com (to NT.J > > servers only) and www.easysoft.com (to a variety of server platforms). > WithL > > both of these, VMS documentation and support look a bit thin but I got aM > > working demo up and running in an hour or two.  I also looked at AttunityoN > > Connect but after an hour or two with the voluminous documentation I stillI > > didn't know what it would do for me or how.  On the other hand, sincenO > > Attunity is supported by Compaq it may be worth getting over the complexityx > > hurdle.S   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:14:28 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: Astronomy programs for Alpha / VMS???3 Message-ID: <8wPT6.1168$fi2.29968@news.cpqcorp.net>   o In article <CXbZAxl42gRR@gaelic>, pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40) writes:n   ..$ : http://decwarch.free.fr/astro.html ..  7   The links from there are invalid and/or inaccessable.p,   The WKU stuff moved to process.com, AFAIK.,   The CNAM server directories are protected.>   The XEphem site does not (overtly) serve an OpenVMS version.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 14:38:02 -0500M9 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) 2 Subject: Re: Astronomy programs for Alpha / VMS???3 Message-ID: <NDEnxtQEGaz5@eisner.encompasserve.org>  h In article <bdPT6.1166$fi2.29776@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:D >   I've also just located a Freeware Postscript file that generatesD >   monthly calendars, with ephemeral data included.  I'll drop thatE >   onto the next Freeware, and will make it available via the Compaq, >   website if there is sufficient interest.  K I recall using smething like this off the easynet years ago.  Copyright (C)n! 1987 by Pipeline Associates, Inc?o  G >   You might have the system time and/or TDF set incorrectly -- pleaseiE >   see the OpenVMS FAQ -- or (more likely) the package has a Y2K bugrC >   of some sort, or there is something odd with your local OpenVMS " >   configuration.  (Missing ECO?)  K I'm pretty sure all this is set up correctly. I suspect Y2K. While Iv'e gotSJ the source code, I don't have the understanding of how it all works inside to know what all to fix.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:16:15 GMTe) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)e8 Subject: DECamds vs Availability Manager - Some Findings1 Message-ID: <3b203308.181784312@news.wcc.govt.nz>    Hi All,9  D Thought this might be of interest if anyone is looking at DECamds or Availability Manager.s  D Got hold of Availability Manager 2.0 (VMS & NT variants) and DECamds 7.3A.n  C Installed the Availability Manager NT variant on my NT Workstation.aB Worked fine, picked up all of the DECamds Data Collectors, running/ various flavours of DECamds 7.2, 7.2-1 & 7.3A.    F Installed the VMS version of the Availability Manager on a small Alpha@ (A DEC3000 with 64MB of Memory) This is well below the suggestedC config but I was only running the data Collector on 8-9 nodes. Thiso@ machine just could not handle the load, CPU usage up to 95-100%,C performance was abysmal. Must mention that I did this from an REXECr session from eXcursion.r  @ Using DECamds on the same VMS machine and again using REXEC from excursion is fine. r  @ I installed the Availability Manager Data Collector modules on aC couple of VAXes and I can't see any performance differences between 4 the DECamds & Availability Manager Data Collectors.   - The Analyser, well there's a huge difference.c   Rob.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 16:59:21 +1200% From: "Kevin Waugh" <waugh@met.co.nz>t? Subject: Deliver- mail handling for VMS will it work on 7.2-1 ?N1 Message-ID: <HYYT6.1350$qJ4.53740@ozemail.com.au>D  L Will the freeware deliver program work on alpha v 7.2-1 ? I have tried it onJ an AlphaStation 200 4/100 and this is what happens when mail is sent to anH account using deliver.  Of course I may well have done something (or not# done something) when installing it.  Any help appreciated.a  ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtualb address=FFFFFFFF0001& 03EF, PC=000000007B6C3E70, PS=0000001B  2   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005 1                         Name   = 000000000000000Cn1                                  0000000000000000a1                                  FFFFFFFF000103EFn1                                  000000007B6C3E70 1                                  000000000000001BF       Register dump:J     R0  = FFFFFFFF0000000C  R1  = 0000000000000003  R2  = 0000000000218024J     R3  = 0000000000000001  R4  = 0000000000000003  R5  = 00000000001B6008J     R6  = 0000000000000003  R7  = 000000000B250200  R8  = 0000000000206460J     R9  = 0000000000218290  R10 = 0000000000010000  R11 = FFFFFFFF0000FFFFJ     R12 = FFFF0000FFFFFFFF  R13 = 000000007AF25178  R14 = 00000000010E0000J     R15 = 0000FFFFFFFFFFFF  R16 = 0000000000218041  R17 = 0000000000000000J     R18 = 000000007B67AA91  R19 = 0000000000000002  R20 = 0000000000218045J     R21 = 000000000000007D  R22 = FFFFFFFF000103EF  R23 = 0000000000000001J     R24 = 000000007B6794A0  R25 = 000000007AF24B90  R26 = 000000007B6C3E28J     R27 = 0000000000218042  R28 = FFFFFFFF848E4658  R29 = 000000007AF24850J     SP  = 000000007AF24850  PC  = 000000007B6C3E70  PS  = 100000000000001B $F   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 01:35:51 GMTi$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>< Subject: Re: esa12000fc and ema12000 differences/experiences) Message-ID: <3B202C70.FFEC7EC5@wi.rr.com>t   John:-   > One D > presumeably should monitor with HSZTERM, SWCC, or SANworks CommandI > Scripter, and pageout/email out problems.  I use HSZTERM, a little DCL,sJ > and RamPage software, and it has been rock solid monitoring.  This setupH > has caught every failed disk, and any change in storage configuration.A > [ Got watch that NT guy doesn't grab my spareset disks <grin> ]n  M Can you share more details on how you are monitoring the EMA arrays?  We haverK Polycenter Console Manager connected to the console ports on our HSG80s but,8 we're not sure which messages we should be watching for.  & Please share your DCL scripts with us.   thanks,   
 -Scott :^)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:43:37 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>nE Subject: Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ styB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010607114044.00af0500@ntbsod.psccos.com>  & At 10:40 AM 6/7/2001, Bill Todd wrote:G >A study by the National Academy of Sciences (commissioned by the White H >House) was released (I think) just today.  It stated unequivocally thatF >global warming was real and that human activity was a major causativeH >factor.  Not that this is likely to convince those who still have their/ >heads stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere).t  H ..and, of course, that institution has NEVER had any history of any kindG of bias towards proving what they want to prove.  No agenda at all, I'm  sure...C   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+sI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |iI | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |TI | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |fI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |_I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+i   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 15:05:12 -0500 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)sE Subject: Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ stS3 Message-ID: <sjlJyzojlqUE@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  R In article <9foaku$8dt$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes: >  It stated unequivocally thatG > global warming was real and that human activity was a major causative_
 > factor.   1 Why is why the White House has it "under review".e  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationt= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouplE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingS   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:22:18 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>eE Subject: Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ st ( Message-ID: <9fonku$qnr$1@pyrite.mv.net>  2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message< news:5.1.0.14.2.20010607114044.00af0500@ntbsod.psccos.com...( > At 10:40 AM 6/7/2001, Bill Todd wrote:I > >A study by the National Academy of Sciences (commissioned by the WhitehJ > >House) was released (I think) just today.  It stated unequivocally thatH > >global warming was real and that human activity was a major causativeJ > >factor.  Not that this is likely to convince those who still have their1 > >heads stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere).i > J > ..and, of course, that institution has NEVER had any history of any kindI > of bias towards proving what they want to prove.  No agenda at all, I'mi	 > sure...n  I Yeah - I'm *sure* you're far less biased and far better qualified to help 4 the rest of us see things in the proper perspective.  G Kind of reminds me of the reaction to criticism of the Vietnam war.  Or*F possibly more directly the success Big Tobacco had for a century or so0 'debunking the myth' that smoking was unhealthy.  L People really will persist in believing what they want to believe.  And theyL have a right to their opinion - just as I have a right not to respect it (or them, at least in that area).C   - bill   >  > ------K > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+BK > | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |yK > | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  | K > | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |sK > | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |rK > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+s >l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:27:46 -0600a% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>hE Subject: Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ strB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010607142609.02bed6d8@ntbsod.psccos.com>  & At 02:22 PM 6/7/2001, Bill Todd wrote:  3 >"Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message = >news:5.1.0.14.2.20010607114044.00af0500@ntbsod.psccos.com...e* > > At 10:40 AM 6/7/2001, Bill Todd wrote:K > > >A study by the National Academy of Sciences (commissioned by the WhiteiL > > >House) was released (I think) just today.  It stated unequivocally thatJ > > >global warming was real and that human activity was a major causativeL > > >factor.  Not that this is likely to convince those who still have their3 > > >heads stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere).: > >LL > > ..and, of course, that institution has NEVER had any history of any kindK > > of bias towards proving what they want to prove.  No agenda at all, I'mt > > sure...r >dJ >Yeah - I'm *sure* you're far less biased and far better qualified to help5 >the rest of us see things in the proper perspective.=  H Never said I was.  All I'm saying is you are obviously taking this thingM as gospel without much real reason to believe it's more correct than anything I else that's been said.  For every study you can cite, I can find one that: cites the opposite.e   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+nI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |BI | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |eI | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |vI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |cI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+m   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:39:20 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>nE Subject: Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ stt( Message-ID: <9fookq$rpv$1@pyrite.mv.net>  2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message< news:5.1.0.14.2.20010607142609.02bed6d8@ntbsod.psccos.com...   ...   J > Never said I was.  All I'm saying is you are obviously taking this thingF > as gospel without much real reason to believe it's more correct than anythingK > else that's been said.  For every study you can cite, I can find one thatr > cites the opposite.   + As I said, just like the tobacco companies.r   - bill   >s > ------K > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ K > | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |SK > | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |nK > | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |iK > | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |tK > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+C >L   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 17:21:52 -0500d0 From: Patrick Spinler <spinler.patrick@mayo.edu>E Subject: Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ sti( Message-ID: <3B1FFE80.1FCB1E31@mayo.edu>   Bill Todd wrote: > H > A study by the National Academy of Sciences (commissioned by the WhiteI > House) was released (I think) just today.  It stated unequivocally that G > global warming was real and that human activity was a major causativesI > factor.  Not that this is likely to convince those who still have their-0 > heads stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere). >  > - bill  B For the curious, here's a URL to the online version of that report  +   URL:http://lab.nap.edu/catalog/10139.html    -- Pat   -- ??       This message does not represent the policies or positionso1 	     of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidiaries.e3   Patrick Spinler			email:	Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDU '   Mayo Foundation			phone:	507/284-9485g   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:40:00 -0500* From: "Sundaram P" <sundaramp@hotmail.com>E Subject: How to run TCL Scripts on Open VMS from the DCL Command Linee3 Message-ID: <HERT6.1196$fi2.30107@news.cpqcorp.net>    Hi,a  @ In Unix if you create a Tcl script in a file whose first line is   #!/usr/local/bin/tclshL then you can invoke the script file directly from your shell if you mark the file as executable.   L I want to acheive something similar on OpenVMS using command procedures. Can somebody please help me ?    Regards  Sundaram   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 17:30:10 -0500g1 From: claird@starbase.neosoft.com (Cameron Laird)tI Subject: Re: How to run TCL Scripts on Open VMS from the DCL Command LinekO Message-ID: <AB1F36B2758EFA48.97A6A54E3F158D0A.6BBF8AD595B70FC1@lp.airnews.net>l  3 In article <HERT6.1196$fi2.30107@news.cpqcorp.net>,o) Sundaram P <sundaramp@hotmail.com> wrote:y >Hi, >dA >In Unix if you create a Tcl script in a file whose first line isp >  >#!/usr/local/bin/tclshcM >then you can invoke the script file directly from your shell if you mark theo >file as executable. >lM >I want to acheive something similar on OpenVMS using command procedures. Can  >somebody please help me ? 			. 			. 			.7 No can do.  Maybe Gerald or one of my fellow old-timerse5 knows some internal trick, but public OpenVMS is liket7 DOS in this regard: if you want a file you can execute,i8 it's going to need to be a command script wrapper around the Tcl invocation.>  7 I'm thrilled to hear OpenVMS is still cycling out there6 on some host in production.l -- g  " Cameron Laird <claird@NeoSoft.com>! Business:  http://www.Phaseit.net 8 Personal:  http://starbase.neosoft.com/~claird/home.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:30:37 GMT,) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)hI Subject: Re: How to run TCL Scripts on Open VMS from the DCL Command Linel1 Message-ID: <3b201ad0.175584336@news.wcc.govt.nz>r  C Having a wee bit of difficulty sussing what you actually need here.   D Under Unix, if you create a script including various tasks, chmod itD to make it executable, you can then call it directly by name as long# as it's in the path (I think......)-  @ Under VMS, you'd create the script (command procedure) to do theE various tasks. To run this you either precede this with an "@" or youM$ submit it and run it as a batch job. e.g. @test.com# or submit /queue=sys$batch test.comi  , The first runs from within your environment.  6 A Command Procedure can call other command procedures.  3 You don't mark the command procedure as executable.i  Or have I missed something here?   Rob.    / On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:40:00 -0500, "Sundaram P"i <sundaramp@hotmail.com> wrote:   >Hi, > A >In Unix if you create a Tcl script in a file whose first line is- >- >#!/usr/local/bin/tclsh-M >then you can invoke the script file directly from your shell if you mark the- >file as executable. > M >I want to acheive something similar on OpenVMS using command procedures. Can- >somebody please help me ? >  >Regards	 >Sundaram  >f ># >l   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 20:47:45 -04001/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)vI Subject: Re: How to run TCL Scripts on Open VMS from the DCL Command Line?* Message-ID: <9fp7bh$aki$1@lisa.gemair.com>  3 In article <HERT6.1196$fi2.30107@news.cpqcorp.net>,c) Sundaram P <sundaramp@hotmail.com> wrote:f >Hi, >)A >In Unix if you create a Tcl script in a file whose first line ist >n >#!/usr/local/bin/tclshdM >then you can invoke the script file directly from your shell if you mark the  >file as executable. >e  H The #! trick doesn't work in OpenVMS.  I'd like to see it, but you wouldE also need a commonly used mapping of device and directory to a single7E directory namespace for scripts so written to be portable.  VMS PosixdA had this and I imagine that the DII/COE work does too, but those mC solutions are not widely deployed, so you are probably looking for  % a convenient way to run your scripts.   C Creating a symbol is probably the simplist way to do what you want.p  & tcltool := $dev:[dir]tclsh tcltool.tcl  D will probably do the trick to make the command 'tcltool' execute theF program tclsh (on device 'dev' and directory 'dir') with a script file named tcltool.tcl.  F You may want to avail yourself of the OpenVMS manuals, which should be' available to you in HTML locally or at:   9 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/index.html#ovmsdocset9  ' If you're not sure where to start, try:y  = 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/6489/6489pro.htmlo  M >I want to acheive something similar on OpenVMS using command procedures. Canh >somebody please help me ? >n >Regards	 >Sundaramn >  >k >f   -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:04:00 -0400 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>a; Subject: Re: Hydro, was (OT) Current Microsoft V DOJ statusl( Message-ID: <3B1FDE23.BED5B83F@ohio.edu>  M It used to be that Niagra Falls had a small pile of rocks at the bottom.  NowoH the pile of rocks extends about half-way up, forming a talus slope.  TheI fraction of the river's flow that goes over the falls versus the fractionsM that goes through the various hydroelectric plants depends on the time of day F (my understanding is that they "turn the falls off at night," when theJ tourists are gone, by taking nearly the entire flow through the turbines).M The total flow over the falls just isn't enough, any more, to sweep the rocks 3 away or pulverize them to sand and sweep that away.,  #                                 RDPn   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 15:15:25 -0700h< From: alphaman-nixspam@hsv.sungardtrust.com (Aaron Sakovich)" Subject: Re: I demand your respect= Message-ID: <8af17fe1.0106071415.499052b7@posting.google.com>=  } fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote in message news:<OF1B29F8DC.6ED724D3-ON03256A64.003AB5EB@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>... G > How many sysadmins in the world installed DECNET/OSI sucessfully ????0 > 
 > 1,2, or 3 ?  > 	 > Regards  >  > FC  E Hate to disappoint you folks, but we've got several hundred customers ? running it, and multiple systems in-house.  True, we only use a C Local:. namespace, and try not to do anything terribly mind-numbingF with it, but it does work.  E Now, if only we could learn the commands.  Installation from a script0F is one thing, running Decnet_Register is fine.  But I've had to resort@ to creating multiple symbols (e.g., Loop :== "ncl loop loop applD name") to perform any kind of productive troubleshooting.  *sigh*, I< miss the old "ncp loop node" syntax.  Almost English-like...   AaronF   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:20:07 GMT0 From: "RBW" <rbw@myipcfg.com>2) Subject: I paid for my new boat with this08 Message-ID: <XSUT6.104385$we.15475621@typhoon.kc.rr.com>  4 This really works! I cannot believe it after getting4 scammed with envelop stuffing,I thought there wasn't0 anything out there for stay at home moms(& Dads)@ I've just started this but already seeing the money roll in!! We! do have honest people in society!-  4  HOW TO TURN SIX DOLLARS INTO SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS:   4  READING THIS COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE! IT DOES WORK!   4  I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try@ it. A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, justE like you are now,and came across an article similar to this that saidi= you could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only anoF initial investment of $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a= scam", but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. > Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and? address stated in the article. You then place your own name anda
 address inB the bottom of the list at #6, and post the article in at least 200; newsgroups. (There are thousands) No catch, that was it. SotD after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I thoughtD about trying it. I figured: "what have I got to lose except 6 stamps? and $6.00, right?" Then I invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESSR= WHAT!?... within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail!eC I was shocked! I figured it would end soon, but the money just kepttC coming in. In my first week, I made about $25.00. By the end of theyE second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third week I): had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now myD fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it'sD still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, IC have spent more than that on the lottery!! Let me tell you how thisi? works and most importantly, WHY it works... Also, make sure youvD print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off ofB it as you need it. I promise you that if you follow the directions? exactly, that you will start making more money than you thought % possible by doing something so easy!  1 : Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully!TE (print it out or download it.) Follow the simple directions and watch? the money come in! o? It's easy. It's legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus-4 postage) IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is notF indecent; it is not illegal; and it is 99% no risk - it really works! F If all of the following instructions are adhered to, you will receive  extraordinary dividends.  
 PLEASE NOTE: c3 Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000c; or more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains"D successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants.F Please continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions.F You will now become part of the Mail Order business.  In this businessF your product is not solid and tangible, it's a service. You are in theA business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations aretF happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made from, the mailing lists is secondary to the incomeB which is made from people like you and me asking to be included in that, list. Here are the 4 easy steps to success: 6   STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the? following on each piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILINGm LIST."  F Now, get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces ofC paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope (to preventlD thievery). Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and sealB them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece ofB paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00B bill. What you are doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY2 LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate service andE you are paying for it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and aiA little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it F out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that9 it is indeed legal. Mail the 6 envelopes to the followingl addresses:         : #1)M. Wagsteri : 76 Star Circle : Dyersburg, TN 38024    : #2)L. Johnsone : 85 Atherton Circle : Pittsburg, CA 94565   
 : #3)A. Younge : 5560 Hillcrest Dr. : Union City, GA 30291   : #4)L. Mercer : 201 West Glenn apt 2Ja : Auburn, Al 36830  
 : #5)J. Swiftr : P.O. Box 3123  : Pinehurst, NC 28374v   : #6)R. Weisbrodtr : P.O. Box 521 : Mason, OH 45040-2641  4   STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you= see above, move the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4,-3 etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on the list.  6   STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep= this article as close to original as possible. Now, post yourID amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close toD 24,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post,E the more money you make! You won't get very much unless you post like-B crazy. :) This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts,refer to Title 18B Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws.  Keep a copy of theseF steps for yourself and, whenever you need money, you can use it again,
 and again.6 : PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful? because of the honesty and integrity of the participants and by"C their carefully adhering to the directions. Look at it this way. If2= you are of integrity, the program will continue and the money/C that so many others have received will come your way. NOTE: You maye> want to retain every name and address sent to you, either on a> computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This' VERIFIES that you are truly providing aaC service. (Also, it might be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill in darkh paper to  reduce the risk of mail theft.) E So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed,s@ six members will be reimbursed for their participation as a List? Developer with one dollar each. Your name will move up the listuE geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position you willaD be receiving thousands of dollars in CASH!!! What an opportunity forE only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people listed above) Sendt3 it now, add your own name to the list and you're int
 business! & ---DIRECTIONS ----- FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS------------ a. Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entireF letter to do your own posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning ofD this letter and drag your cursor to the bottom of this document, andB select 'copy' from the edit menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computer's memory.   cE Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top  B of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will E paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that youcan add your name -
 to the list. -  D Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to doD your postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to go back to.r  ? Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for > various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards,chat sites,
 discussions.)4  A Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a newlC message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting pasteuE from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header thatt> everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in aF particular group, click the post message button. You're done with your/ first one! Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you-C have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post away, after you': get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for eachF newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILLB MAKE! BUT :YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! You will@ begin receiving money from around the world within days! You may eventually want toC rent a P.O.Box due to the large amount of mail you will receive. If-D you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long asC the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES AREd
 CORRECT.**6 Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 makeD the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 personsA respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me,tF now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5C replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 ? persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3tC and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $625.00!w OK,.B now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUMD 200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies,C that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all delivero@ this message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 personsn; per 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625,00! With anh= original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name ish> no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in theD newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your= name at number 6 again. And start posting again. The thing toiA remember is: do you realize that thousands of people all over the  world!C are joining the internet and reading these articles everyday?, JUSTo@ LIKE YOU are now!! So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it reallyC works?? I think so... People have said, "what if the plan is playede9 out and no one sends you the money? So what! What are the-A chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest usersdA and new honest people who are joining the internet and newsgroups E everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to8@ 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actualA internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will reallyi work w  6 THANKS EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATES AND MAKES THIS SUCH A SUCCESS FOR US ALL!!i= _____________________________________________________________p= This message posted with trial version of Express News Posteru   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Jun 2001 11:18:35 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Is it just me?d- Message-ID: <87ofrzwtf8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  # Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> writes:   B > Is it just me or do other people think that the CD holder in the: > OpenVMS V7.3 distribution would also work for music CDs?  E > Is it possible to order just the CD case with its, "Rich Corinthian F > Leather," cover?  Several people were eyeing my CD case.  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(i'm running vms 5.5-2, and had to run a6 > proggie called scsiexer from HP to twiddle the bits)  . > i'm told later versions vms can handle this.  * Tolerate, with complaints would be nearer.  C If the drive replaces the failed block, you have NO indication thatnD the data is bogus. If the data can not be recovered and replace, VMSE marks the block as invalid till it is written to. This is *essential*- for data integrity.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.1@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:06:31 -0400 2 From: Conrad Whittall <conrad.whittall@cognos.com>8 Subject: New Cognos ADT User Group for Northern Illinois* Message-ID: <3B201707.E2FC3D10@cognos.com>  7 I'd like to pass along this message from Robert Edis...    ==============================  	 G'day allo  E For those not living in the catchment area of this user group, pleasel" excuse this intrusion on the list.  @ The second meeting of the new Cognos ADT User Group for NorthernC Illinois will be held on Tuesday June 12, 2001 at 5:00pm to 6:30pm.y  F Location: FleetPride, 520 Lake Cook Rd., Suite 100, Deerfield, IL USA.  D Email me at bob.edis@fleetpride.com or call me on (847) 572-8039 for directions.a   Agenda:o  @ 1. Presentation: RDI will show off its snazzy new PowerHouse Web> application featured in the latest SupportLink magazine.  ThisD application is a Customer Gateway that allows a customer to securelyB interact with a company's ordering system, providing them with theE ability to receive a quote for custom equipment online or to track ang existing order.l  G 2. Workshop: discussion and brainstorm on issues related to migrating aoH PowerHouse application from one platform to another.  E.g. VMS to HP/UX, Oracle Rdb to Oracle 8i.  H Please let me know if you are coming so that I can arrange refreshments.   Regards,   Robert Edisr Manager - Business Intelligencef
 FleetPride 520 Lake Cook Rd., Suite 100 Deerfield IL 60015 Tel: 847.572.80390 Fax: 847.444.1096  www.fleetpride.com   ==============================  E I hope that those in the area will be able to attend and support thisr new user group.o  
 Best regards,e Conrad   Conrad Whittallf0 Marketing Manager, Application Development ToolsD Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, K1G 4K9, Canada  / Developer productivity never goes out of style!   @ For details of the Cognos PowerHouse family of high-productivity> development tools for Web, Windows and terminal-based businessB applications, and to request your own free copy of our new product< demo CD, simply click here http://www.cognos.com/powerhouse.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 23:42:42 GMTe( From: medief@yahoo.com (Mike Diefendorf) Subject: NFS mount problem= Message-ID: <SjUT6.71227$qs3.33397870@news2.rdc2.tx.home.com>a   Hi all,h  O I have an 8400 that I want to share a volume to unix clients.  Two volumes are r: already shared out and I'm not having any problems at all.  K After doing the ucx stuff, shutting down and restarting TCPIP, I go to the tL unix client and try to mount the volume.  It succeeds, but when I cd to the O mounted volume and do an ls there's nothing there.  As a test, I unmounted the eI new volume and mounted one of the previously shared out volumes, and saw  J everything.  So there's no problem with the unix client or the vms server G itself.  It's got to be something I'm missing on the particular volume.d  L As I said, the volume nfs mounts successfully, and shows up with the proper M figures when I do a df -k on the unix client.  No error messages of any kind c are displayed.  K It's no doubt something very minor but I'm kind of stuck.  Any suggestions?n   Thanks in advance,   Mike   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 22:49:55 -0400e( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: NFS mount problem+ Message-ID: <3B203D53.4B768485@bigfoot.com>   R This most likely is a permissions problem.  Make sure that the VMS user account toL which the (I assume root) UID/GID pair is assigned (in the proxy record) hasP enough privileges to look at the directory/files (on VMS) of the file system you" are exporting to the UNIX machine.   HM   Mike Diefendorf wrote:  	 > Hi all,c >kP > I have an 8400 that I want to share a volume to unix clients.  Two volumes are< > already shared out and I'm not having any problems at all. >eL > After doing the ucx stuff, shutting down and restarting TCPIP, I go to theM > unix client and try to mount the volume.  It succeeds, but when I cd to the P > mounted volume and do an ls there's nothing there.  As a test, I unmounted theJ > new volume and mounted one of the previously shared out volumes, and sawK > everything.  So there's no problem with the unix client or the vms serverTI > itself.  It's got to be something I'm missing on the particular volume.  >eM > As I said, the volume nfs mounts successfully, and shows up with the properlN > figures when I do a df -k on the unix client.  No error messages of any kind > are displayed. >pM > It's no doubt something very minor but I'm kind of stuck.  Any suggestions?t >e > Thanks in advance, >o > Mike   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:49:13 -0400' From: "Zeni Schleter" <zzb@y12.doe.gov>tW Subject: Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation-addendum., Message-ID: <9folsd$ie3$1@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov>  K I tried to apply a multinet patch and the process is hanging in the Installi Utility.  This sounds H vaguely familiar from long ago.  If I remember correctly ,  it had to doK with multiple instance of the install utility being used during reboots.  I   checked before this last attemptK to make sure that situation didn't exist.  There were no other occurance ona INSTALL in use.c  2 "Zeni Schleter" <zzb@y12.doe.gov> wrote in message& news:9fo6op$gbl$1@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov...K > After applying the patchand rebooting, my Decwindows is not starting - noEI > logon screen.  The disk was very fragmented and gave one problem duringi theoL > patch about APB.EXE being fragmented.  I followed the instructions and theJ > reboot was successful but the Decwindows interface has not worked since. IiJ > have defragmented the disk and rebooted.  No difference.  I have checkedE > sysgen parameter, windows, and it is set correctly.  I followed theuF > suggestions in the FAQs as I thought applicable.  I have applied the latestI > Motif 1.2-6 and rebooted.  No difference.  I have finally reapplied the I > VMS721_update-v0200 and rebooted.  No apparent difference.  There is noeK > output in the Decw$server_0_error.log.  There is a  DECW$SERVER_0 process-H > but no Decw$loginout.  The last time I tried @sys$startup;decw$startupI > RESTART the process hung and on the Display I noticed a "black"  X overg the J > F2-screen's writing which does move with the mouse.  The Control-F2 used toK > toggle and now it doesn't so I don't think I have improved the situation.n >bI > Has anyone else seen this happen?  The alphastation is a DEC3000 model.F >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:41:52 -0400' From: "Zeni Schleter" <zzb@y12.doe.gov>tW Subject: Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation-addendump, Message-ID: <9foov7$sic$1@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov>  	 I found a  "SYSMAN-NODERR ... " "-SECPATH-W-MULTRMS ..."L message early in the reboot.  It appears right after the STDRV messages.  IfK that is the problem then it sounds like rolling back to an early backup andaD reapplying patches is my only recourse.  I will start that tomorrow.   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Jun 2001 03:24:07 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>$ Subject: Re: select() on non-sockets- Message-ID: <878zj4ytyg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>m  / Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> writes:n  F > You are right. However teh ability to have it working on others thanA > sockets would help a lot when porting to VMS. I came along manyoF > programs that use select to check input on the XWindows-device.  AreE > there any plans at Compaq to enhance this select function?  if yes: % > what is the expected time-schedule?e  A Get the Port library, X events with select are in that. Or so itsn release notes claim.   -- h< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:02:06 GMTM2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)$ Subject: Re: select() on non-sockets3 Message-ID: <25RT6.1191$fi2.30098@news.cpqcorp.net>t  0 :Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> writes:F : You are right. However teh ability to have it working on others thanA : sockets would help a lot when porting to VMS. I came along many F : programs that use select to check input on the XWindows-device.  AreE : there any plans at Compaq to enhance this select function?  if yes: % : what is the expected time-schedule?f    A   Input is available now via event flags -- the AddAppInput stuff A   got listed in the FAQ, since the platform-specific arguments ofeD   the call provide event flags -- and specifically uses event flags D   in event flag cluster zero, when last I used this call -- and not    select masks...r    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com     ..?     m->acpef = EVENT_FLAG;  /* NB: EF must be in EFCluster 0 */n$     retstat = sys$clref( m->acpef ); ..-     m->acpinputid = XtAppAddInput( m->appctx, 4         m->acpef, m->inpiosb, msx_the_callback, 1 );!     if ( !((int) m->acpinputid ))m         return SS$_OPINCOMPL;n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:01:44 GMTt2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)Y Subject: Re: Temperature (was Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ sL3 Message-ID: <YYRT6.1197$fi2.29874@news.cpqcorp.net>_  A   I hope folks won't mind my twisting this discussion of US CourtsE   calendars and environmental concerns around to thoughts of OpenVMS 5G   and to an OpenVMS-related topic -- I will mention that my newsreader jC   killfile has been getting a workout with the volume of off-topic oG   topics -- but this thread served as a good reminder for me to repost a   this particular gem...  G   There are tools around that can monitor system temperatures -- I haveeE   (re)posted one such tool below, for those that wish to monitor the eJ   temperatures of their OpenVMS Alpha systems.  (Please note that various G   Alpha systems do NOT include host-readable thermometers, though most eJ   (all?) Alpha systems DO have thermal safety limits and over-temperature    shutdown mechanisms.)   I   Various of the MIB information is in the TCP/IP Services documentation, G   and there is a whole lot of data available via the OpenVMS SNMP MIBs. H   (IIRC, the temperature -- if readable -- is also available via a MIB.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   	--   @ Path: pa.dec.com!lead.zk3.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!not-for-mail8 From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <jacobi@star.enet.dec.nospam.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms8( Subject: Re: alphaserver CPU Temperature% Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:16:38 -0500O+ Organization: Digital Equipment CorporationP
 Lines: 413+ Message-ID: <6a3aqh$29$2@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>D4 References: <19980120003849.26078.qmail@hotmail.com>% NNTP-Posting-Host: jacobi.zko.dec.comX Mime-Version: 1.0U* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitR& X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I)* To: valdemir santos <alphavjs@hotmail.com>  K       In V7.1-1H1, I added four new GETSYI item codes to obtain power, fan,TG     and thermal over-temperature status, plus ambient temperature.  The H     GETSYI system service provides a system-independant interface, whileK     the actual code is implemented in the system-specific loadable execlet.   J     The primary purpose of these new GETSYI item coded is for use with theH     ServerWork console and the Server System MIB.  This is documented inI     the V7.1-1H1 Release Notes.  This is the only supported use for theseI     new item codes.   F     Each item code returns a 16-byte value, each byte representing the     status of each instance:         0x01 = good          0x00 = bad         0xFF = not present  J     If SYI$_POWER_VECTOR returns FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF01FF00, you can     determine that:-         Power Supply #0 is bad, '         Power Supply #1 is not present,-          Power Supply #2 is good,*         Power Supply #3-#15 is not present  E     The status encoding is similar for all four item code, except forSI     temperature, where each byte represents the value in degrees Celsius.I  I     Not all systems contain hardware for all item codes!  Not all systems2G     provide support for the new item codes.  Currently the only systems-I     that provide support for some of these item codes are the AlphaServer-G     4000/4100/1200, AlphaServer 1000A, and AlphaServer 8400.  These new-G     item code remain undocumented and may change in a future release asT'     system management hardware evolves.-  H     Attached is a small *** UNSUPPORTED *** C program which displays theK     values for the new item code, if they are available.  Note that the DCL(H     F$GETSYI does not recognize these new item code since V7.1-1H1 was aC     partial build and DCL.EXE was not re-built.  GETSYI will return-G     SS$_NOTLOADED if support for the new item codes is not implemented.   E     Again, the only supported way to view these values is through the E     ServerWorks console running on a remote PC.  See V7.1-1H1 release-
     notes.    M +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+t  A | Paul A. Jacobi                            Phone: (603) 881-1948, |0A | Digital Equipment Corporation             FAX  : (603) 881-0189C | K | OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14         Email: jacobi@star.enet.dec.com  |E | 110 Spitbrook Road |L | Nashua, NH 03062-2698f | M +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+E               #pragma module GETSYII "X-3" /*  * Copyright (C) 1997 by9  * Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard, Massachusetts.-  * All rights reserved.A  *H  * This software is furnished under a license and may be used and copiedH  * only  in  accordance  of  the  terms  of  such  license  and with theH  * inclusion of the above copyright notice. This software or  any  otherH  * copies thereof may not be provided or otherwise made available to anyH  * other person.  No title to and  ownership of the  software is  hereby  * transferred.0  *H  * The information in this software is  subject to change without noticeH  * and  should  not  be  construed  as a commitment by Digital Equipment  * Corporation.   *H  * Digital assumes no responsibility for the use  or  reliability of its:  * software on equipment which is not supplied by Digital.  *  * Abstract:  *D  * This user program tests each of the new environmental GETSYI itemL  *      codes.  This test program also verifies the existance of the SRM FRU  	  * table.   *  * Authors:r  *  * Paul A. Jacobi, October 1996h  *  * Modified by:   *2  *    X-3 PAJ0944   Paul A. Jacobi     13-Jun-1997$  *  Checkin correct version of file.  *2  *    X-2 PAJ0939   Paul A. Jacobi     29-May-1997>  *  Fix bug in display_fru_revision().  Add standard comments.  *  */    #include <stdio> #include <stdlib>b   #include <hwrpbdef>r #include <iledef>a #include <ssdef> #include <syidef>t #include <vms_macros>f   /* External routines */l   extern int sys$getsyiw();i extern void sys$exit();u   /* External global data */   typedef struct _fru_table {h     uint64 checksum;     uint32 fru_lenght;"     short unsigned major_revision;"     short unsigned minor_revision; } FRU_TABLE;  $ extern FRU_TABLE *exe$gpq_fru_table;   /* forward routines */   void display_fru_revision(); void display_power();  void display_fan();0 void display_temperature();  void display_thermal();m     /*++  * main - main routine  *  * FUNCTIONAL DESCRIPTION:  *I  * This routine is the main test routine.  I calls a routine to test eachaG  * of the new environmental GETSYI item codes.  It also calls a routinea0  * to verify the existance of the SRM FRU table.  *
  * INPUTS:.  * Standard C command line arguments - ignored  *  * OUTPUTS:   * Noneg  *  *--  */r   int main(int argc, char **argv)= {=       display_fru_revision();o       display_power();       display_fan();       display_temperature();       display_thermal();   }      /*++;  * display_fru_revision - Display FRU revision if availableo  *  * FUNCTIONAL DESCRIPTION:  *I  * This routine displays the FRU Table revision.  If the FRU Table is note9  *      available, this routine display an error message..  *
  * INPUTS:  * None7  *  * OUTPUTS:t  * None   *  *--  */P void display_fru_revision()f {s(     short minor_revision,major_revision;  !     if (exe$gpq_fru_table == 0) {z;         printf("ERROR! SRM FRU table is not available!\n");u     }t
     else {;         minor_revision = exe$gpq_fru_table->minor_revision;h;         major_revision = exe$gpq_fru_table->major_revision;o  /         printf("SRM FRU revision =   V%d.%d\n",s2                    major_revision,minor_revision);     }o       return;a   }f     /*++'  * display_power - Display power vectorr  *  * FUNCTIONAL DESCRIPTION:  *I  * This routine displays power vector.  If $GETSYI returns an error, this +  * routines display the decimal error code.c  *
  * INPUTS:  * NoneC  *  * OUTPUTS:0  * Nonel  *  *--  */: void display_power() {4$     unsigned char getsyi_buffer[16];
     int i;     unsigned short retlen;     unsigned char *bp;     ILE3 item_list[2];     int status;s  1     item_list[0].ile3$w_code = SYI$_POWER_VECTOR;l7     item_list[0].ile3$w_length = sizeof(getsyi_buffer);n1     item_list[0].ile3$ps_bufaddr = getsyi_buffer;r/     item_list[0].ile3$ps_retlen_addr = &retlen;v!     item_list[1].ile3$w_code = 0;l#     item_list[1].ile3$w_length = 0;h    6     status = sys$getsyiw(0, 0, 0, item_list, 0, 0, 0);       if good_status(status) {(         printf("SYI_POWER_VECTOR =   ");           bp = getsyi_buffer; "         for (i=0; i < retlen; i++)%                 printf("%02X",*bp++);-         printf("\n");      }:
     else {J         printf("ERROR: SYI_POWER_VECTOR returned status of %d\n", status);     }S       return;3 }7     /*++#  * display_fan - Display fan vectora  *  * FUNCTIONAL DESCRIPTION:  *G  * This routine displays fan vector.  If $GETSYI returns an error, thish+  * routines display the decimal error code.   *
  * INPUTS:  * Nonea  *  * OUTPUTS:I  * Noneo  *  *--  */i void display_fan() {e$     unsigned char getsyi_buffer[16];
     int i;     unsigned short retlen;     unsigned char *bp;     ILE3 item_list[2];     int status;m  /     item_list[0].ile3$w_code = SYI$_FAN_VECTOR;d7     item_list[0].ile3$w_length = sizeof(getsyi_buffer);c1     item_list[0].ile3$ps_bufaddr = getsyi_buffer;o/     item_list[0].ile3$ps_retlen_addr = &retlen; !     item_list[1].ile3$w_code = 0;c#     item_list[1].ile3$w_length = 0;e    6     status = sys$getsyiw(0, 0, 0, item_list, 0, 0, 0);     if good_status(status) {&         printf("SYI_FAN_VECTOR =   ");           bp = getsyi_buffer;A"         for (i=0; i < retlen; i++)%                 printf("%02X",*bp++);-         printf("\n");u     }2
     else {H         printf("ERROR: SYI_FAN_VECTOR returned status of %d\n", status);     }s       return;5 }B     /*++3  * display_temperature - Display temperature vectore  *  * FUNCTIONAL DESCRIPTION:  *J  * This routine displays temperature vector.  If $GETSYI returns an error,5  *      this routines display the decimal error code.l  *
  * INPUTS:  * Noney  *  * OUTPUTS:o  * Nonet  *  *--  */. void display_temperature() {:$     unsigned char getsyi_buffer[16];
     int i;     unsigned short retlen;     unsigned char *bp;     ILE3 item_list[2];     int status;n  7     item_list[0].ile3$w_code = SYI$_TEMPERATURE_VECTOR;n7     item_list[0].ile3$w_length = sizeof(getsyi_buffer);n1     item_list[0].ile3$ps_bufaddr = getsyi_buffer; /     item_list[0].ile3$ps_retlen_addr = &retlen; !     item_list[1].ile3$w_code = 0;t#     item_list[1].ile3$w_length = 0;o    6     status = sys$getsyiw(0, 0, 0, item_list, 0, 0, 0);     if good_status(status) {-         printf("SYI_TEMPERATURE_VECTOR =  ");'           bp = getsyi_buffer;n"         for (i=0; i < retlen; i++)%                 printf("%02X",*bp++);s         printf("\n");h     }o
     else {G         printf("ERROR: SYI_TEMPERATURE_VECTOR returned status of %d\n",  status);     }        return;o }      /*+++  * display_thermal - Display thermal vectort  *  * FUNCTIONAL DESCRIPTION:  *K  * This routine displays thermal vector.  If $GETSYI returns an error, this-+  * routines display the decimal error code.t  *
  * INPUTS:  * Nonet  *  * OUTPUTS:r  * NoneP  *  *--  */l void display_thermal() {g$     unsigned char getsyi_buffer[16];
     int i;     unsigned short retlen;     unsigned char *bp;     ILE3 item_list[2];     int status;   3     item_list[0].ile3$w_code = SYI$_THERMAL_VECTOR;y7     item_list[0].ile3$w_length = sizeof(getsyi_buffer);t1     item_list[0].ile3$ps_bufaddr = getsyi_buffer;e/     item_list[0].ile3$ps_retlen_addr = &retlen;i!     item_list[1].ile3$w_code = 0;c#     item_list[1].ile3$w_length = 0;     6     status = sys$getsyiw(0, 0, 0, item_list, 0, 0, 0);     if good_status(status) {*         printf("SYI_THERMAL_VECTOR =   ");           bp = getsyi_buffer; "         for (i=0; i < retlen; i++)%                 printf("%02X",*bp++);h         printf("\n");X       }r
     else {L         printf("ERROR: SYI_THERMAL_VECTOR returned status of %d\n", status);       }e       return;  }c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 17:14:53 -0400c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>sY Subject: Re: Temperature (was Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ sa, Message-ID: <3B1FEECA.8AE40E9D@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:vC >   There are tools around that can monitor system temperatures -- a  9 But to bring back the discussion into an out-of topic... _  M Considering the power problems in Kalifornia, and considering global warming, N I am wondering if there will have to be a trend to make hardware more tolerant	 of heat ?i  N During the days of the Tandem Cyclones (early 1990s), I remember chatting withG a tandem rep and he explained that they had decided to put in oversizedIG ventilation in the cabinet (hence its name) to make the system far moreTL tolerant of air conditioning failures in a computer room. With high level ofK air exchanges, even if the air is warmer, you still prevent the electronicsg from building up heat.  6 I guess it is a dilemma between noise and ventilation.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:04:05 -0500S1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>gY Subject: Re: Temperature (was Re: Global warming? was: Re: (OT) Current Microsoft v DOJ s ' Message-ID: <3B203294.1D9799DE@fsi.net>r   JF Mezei wrote:p >  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:eD > >   There are tools around that can monitor system temperatures -- > : > But to bring back the discussion into an out-of topic... > O > Considering the power problems in Kalifornia, and considering global warming,@P > I am wondering if there will have to be a trend to make hardware more tolerant > of heat ?v > [snip]  @ I had what I thought was a strange problem with a VAX 6000-610 -G crashes, strange errors on POST... but, if you leave the system poweredcC down for a few minutes, it would boot up for a while then crash oute again.  E Now, it happened that the A/C was having problems, but the room temp.  stayed below 79F.y  D After some digging, the CSE determined that in the VAX 6610 dust hadF built up on one of the temperature sensors preventing it from properly5 doing its thing. The box hadn't been PM'ed for years.    PMs - GOTTA love 'em!    --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/w  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 10:56:33 -0700i! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comn Subject: RE: The future of VMSD Message-ID: <OFE8BECFB4.85EA8EE2-ON88256A64.0060768D@foundation.com>  0 Might I add my vote for appropriate indentation?  J I was once asked to add a feature to a program that had been tinkered withJ by several previous generations of programmers. The original author hadn'tF grasped the concept of indentation or splitting lines for readability.G Subsequent programmers had actually duplicated his style too, so it wasnH really hard to follow. In more than one case, someone had actually put aB multilevel indented IF in under one of his, and when I applied theI indentation to the original group it came out identical to the later one.t  H Halfway down the code there is a comment that looks something like this:  C      ! **SFS 07/05/96** Third day. Still no sign of an indented IF.f@      ! Food and water is running out and the bearers are getting3      ! restless. I think Carruthers is going mad...t   Shane           ? Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> on 06/07/2001 07:28:08 AM(  7 Please respond to Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>k   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi cc:d   Subject:  RE: The future of VMSn     > -----Original Message-----H > From: Shane.F.Smith@healthnet.com [mailto:Shane.F.Smith@healthnet.com]  9 > Someone recently put out the quote about "you can writew > FORTRAN code in anyu< > language". (And it's true, I know this from experience...) > Well, you can 9 > write crap code in any language too. The most importantU > component in any? > piece of quality code is programmer discipline. Sure, you cann > use single? > character variable names in C and leave out the comments, bute > you can do? > equivalently stupid things in any language. A disciplined ands > determined< > programmer can produce sources (ie commented code) you can > understand in > > any language I know of. If anyone has written a language you
 > /can't/ puts> > comments in, they should be caught and beaten liberally with > a wet haddock,9 > then locked away somewhere they can't do any more harm.t  I This brings to mind a guy I used to work with.  His name was Sajeev.  Hiss6 code was -- shall we say, strange, in several regards:  G He would copy liberally from textbooks, preserving variable names, etc,TJ which probably should have been given completely different names which had6 at least something to do with the current function. :)  I He would cut and paste blocks of code from function to function (in C++!)-I which would have been more properly in separate functions themselves.  AtaB one point, I counted two pages of code repeated in five functions,	 verbatim!m  K Lastly, on the rare occasion that he was forced to make up his own variablei: name, he'd name them after himself.  (Very descriptive. :)  D I once was writing a test application; it was a throw away to test aK library, in which I decided (as  joke) to try incorporating the third point3G in my test program.  It was wonderful.  Three typewritten pages of C++,m withF every function, variable, object, etc, named Sajeev (or some strangelyI capitalized variation).  Had I been forced to go back and read it, even Il would have been confused. :)  > To give an example, there might have been (probably wasn't) a:    SAjeeV += Sajeev.SAJeev(SAjeev);  > Anyway, the moral of the story is:  always name your variables descriptively.   Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developere Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 13:20:29 -0500+ From: "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@compaq.com>B Subject: Re: The future of VMS3 Message-ID: <PBPT6.1170$fi2.29770@news.cpqcorp.net>   F You could use Python, which enforces an indentation structure (and has1 really nice module test capabilities by default).   < Of course, the only VMS version is a few releases behind :-(  L It might make a good project in and of itself to bring the VMS version up toH 2.1 and update the sys module with the newer features of VMS in 7.2/7.3.B There's a Python newsgroup at comp.os.python that's pretty active.   --	 Mike Kier  Compaq Professional Services Cincinnati, OH, USAs   michael.kier@compaq.coml. <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in message> news:OFE8BECFB4.85EA8EE2-ON88256A64.0060768D@foundation.com... > 2 > Might I add my vote for appropriate indentation? >lL > I was once asked to add a feature to a program that had been tinkered withL > by several previous generations of programmers. The original author hadn'tH > grasped the concept of indentation or splitting lines for readability.I > Subsequent programmers had actually duplicated his style too, so it wasaJ > really hard to follow. In more than one case, someone had actually put aD > multilevel indented IF in under one of his, and when I applied theK > indentation to the original group it came out identical to the later one.e >nJ > Halfway down the code there is a comment that looks something like this: > E >      ! **SFS 07/05/96** Third day. Still no sign of an indented IF.eB >      ! Food and water is running out and the bearers are getting5 >      ! restless. I think Carruthers is going mad...o >  > Shaneu   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:44 -0500-+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>- Subject: RE: The future of VMSL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1F09@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----H > From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com [mailto:Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com]  A > Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> on 06/07/2001 07:28:08 AMH  @ > To give an example, there might have been (probably wasn't) a: > " > SAjeeV += Sajeev.SAJeev(SAjeev); > @ > Anyway, the moral of the story is:  always name your variables > descriptively.    2 > Might I add my vote for appropriate indentation?   [snip]  @ > Halfway down the code there is a comment that looks something  > like this: > E >      ! **SFS 07/05/96** Third day. Still no sign of an indented IF.iB >      ! Food and water is running out and the bearers are getting5 >      ! restless. I think Carruthers is going mad...i  J Ha!  Yes, you can.  This particular person had a problem with indentation,L too.  He would indent his code, but seemed not to grasp the reasoning behindI the indentation.  He ended up with inconsistent indents, which, arguably,m are worse than none at all.C  H I have very bad memories of wading through his code trying to find a bugH that caused a fatal error one day.  To make matters worse, the error was@ from a bit of code that the compiler would comment in and out atI compile-time.  (It was Microshaft's visual c++, of course -- for those of L you who don't know, some components of visual c++ will add chunks of commentG to your code, and make the compiler magically uncomment them at compileAH time.  This particular chunk of comment should have been removed when heH removed some feature with the gui designer, and wasn't.  In other words,! never use a microshaft compiler.)    Regards,   Chris<  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developere Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");o 'n   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 19:22:23 GMT*1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)l Subject: RE: The future of VMS+ Message-ID: <9fok9f$ufr$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>r  ? OK, as the person who started this particular thread, I'm back.n  @ If it's possible to avoid language wars and the usual C and UnixD bashing I am going to try an gather real info at this point in time.  ? It looks not only like my plans for sponsoring projects to havem? students port one or possibly more opensource/freeware programso= to VMS are going to move ahead, it appears at this point thata? they will be doing the porting to an Alpha running OpenVMS 7.3.   ? So, I now seriously ask what programs people here would like toI see ported first??  A My personal preference is for program under the BSD style license*> rather than the GPL but anything will be considered.  The only> other serious consideration is that there must be a reasonable> expectation that the program is capable of being ported withinA a single semester. (I think that pretty much eliminates somethingo like GNOME.)   My list starts out with:   A Bourne Shell clone F$   A C-shell clone (most likely tcsh)   make  < What particular utilities would other people like to see put on the list for consideration??U  > One of the requirements for any of these projects will be goodC documentation of the porting process with an eye towards developing = a "Unix to VMS Porting Document" or at least a set of porting! guidelines.t   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:00:55 -0500N+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>p Subject: RE: The future of VMSL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1F0D@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----D > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu]  A > So, I now seriously ask what programs people here would like ton > see ported first??   [snip]  > > What particular utilities would other people like to see put! > on the list for consideration??e  @ > One of the requirements for any of these projects will be goodE > documentation of the porting process with an eye towards developing ? > a "Unix to VMS Porting Document" or at least a set of portingh
 > guidelines.    What about busybox?  ,  , From the web-site: http://busybox.lineo.com/  J BusyBox combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilities into a singleE small executable. It provides minimalist replacements for most of the,L utilities you usually find in fileutils, shellutils, etc. BusyBox provides aD fairly complete POSIX environment for any small or embedded system.   ; It's licensed under the General Public License -- sorry! :)*  G Anyway, this looks like it might be an interesting way to provide POSIXSF functionality on a VMS machine.  It will emulate several unix commandsL either with symbolic links (probably better not to do it this way on VMS...)H or by saying busybox <command> <args>  One might be able to work it as aL foreign command "UNIX" or something. (which I think would fit the VMS way ofI doing things as well as possible)  One could then say, for instance, UNIX[ ZCAT ...  J Of course, some of the commands would be more difficult to do than others,  and some may be better left out.  5 Here is the list of commands, also from the web-site:c  % Currently defined functions include:    J ar, basename, busybox, cat, chgrp, chmod, chown, chroot, chvt, clear, cmp,E cp, cut, date, dc, dd, deallocvt, df, dirname, dmesg, dos2unix, dpkg,_G dpkg-deb, du, dumpkmap, dutmp, echo, expr, false, fbset, fdflush, find,XF free, freeramdisk, fsck.minix, getopt, grep, gunzip, gzip, halt, head,K hostid, hostname, id, ifconfig, init, insmod, kill, killall, klogd, length,nF ln, loadacm, loadfont, loadkmap, logger, logname, ls, lsmod, makedevs,J md5sum, mkdir, mkfifo, mkfs.minix, mknod, mkswap, mktemp, more, mount, mt,E mv, nc, nslookup, ping, pivot_root, poweroff, printf, ps, pwd, rdate,eI readlink, reboot, renice, reset, rm, rmdir, rmmod, route, rpmunpack, sed,*I setkeycodes, sh, sleep, sort, stty, swapoff, swapon, sync, syslogd, tail,eH tar, tee, telnet, test, tftp, touch, tr, true, tty, umount, uname, uniq,I unix2dos, update, uptime, usleep, uudecode, uuencode, watchdog, wc, wget,I# which, whoami, xargs, yes, zcat, [ [  H For the curious the finished program is about 332k on a mips r4000 (only system I have it working on)   Regards,   Chris_  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developere Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");; '    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 17:51:50 -0500 3 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)0 Subject: RE: The future of VMS3 Message-ID: <Z7fTX4lcP4ak@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <9fok9f$ufr$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:;A > OK, as the person who started this particular thread, I'm back.y >eB > If it's possible to avoid language wars and the usual C and UnixF > bashing I am going to try an gather real info at this point in time. >pA > It looks not only like my plans for sponsoring projects to haveUA > students port one or possibly more opensource/freeware programsi? > to VMS are going to move ahead, it appears at this point thateA > they will be doing the porting to an Alpha running OpenVMS 7.3.  > A > So, I now seriously ask what programs people here would like to[ > see ported first??   No Priority:   GNU INFO     XMAN (not inside of POSIX)    D Consider writing a version of the GNU getopts() routine that can use# the CLI$ routines to get it's data.s   Another vote for RPM (V4.x).  $ I earlier posted a wishlist for GZIP!    - Support for ODS-5 filenames.a7    - Support for .TGZ, TAR_GZ, and ^.tar.gz extensions. 5    - OpenVMS wildcard support like in the versions at " 	ftp://ftp.qsl.net/pub/wb8tyw/gzip@    - Encode/decode the OpenVMS file attributes in the saved file=      name.  This would allow GZIP to handle backup save sets.s?    - Fix to preallocate the estimated uncompressed file size on-      create.  3 The BZIP program could probaly use the same things.p  ? And to repeat my earlier suggestion, set up benchmarking for aniE existing port of something and see where it can be optimized for both4& the OpenVMS and even the UNIX version.  A This would allow the students to get real experience on using the-) profiling and source code analysis tools.    -John  Personal Opinion Only. wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:34:28 -0400i2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: The future of VMSL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0706011834280001@user-2ive74p.dialup.mindspring.com>  
 In articleA <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1F09@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>,b, Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> wrote:     > L > Ha!  Yes, you can.  This particular person had a problem with indentation,N > too.  He would indent his code, but seemed not to grasp the reasoning behindK > the indentation.  He ended up with inconsistent indents, which, arguably,  > are worse than none at all.-  B I know a Fortran programmer who tends to indent all the assignmentI statements in a given routine so that all the "=" signs line up.  Sort of 
 like this:            long_name   =      a +2b0              x      = long_name          * 46+ x        if (x .gt. 99) then          z          =x/100              endif  E It's too painful to try to type a long example.  Image the above withnJ non-assignment statements interspersed, going on for a few pages.  All theF "=" line up, and other parts of the statements are apparently randomly positioned.   3 I can't really describe what this does to my brain.    -- t Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com6   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 01:36:01 +0200e) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>p Subject: Re: The future of VMS, Message-ID: <3B200FE1.F9170003@infopuls.com>   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > - > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:h > ? > > > > Challanger and Ariane V will not be the only "victims".eF > > > Both Challenger and the first Ariane V were a failure of systemsQ > > > engineering. Somewhat different rules apply than on software 'engineering".rC > > Both were a result of sloppyness. The reason I mentioned it was B > > to show that you should take into account that people not onlyB > > make mistakes but also don't adhere to best practices or rules > > given by their employer. > G > Have you actually read the reports of the investigations on those two,H > incidents? Both blame, and recommend changes to, the processes used inK > running and/or developing systems. Both are quite careful in not pointing6L > fingers at individuals "[not] adhere[ing] to best practices or rules givenK > by their employer", because that either didn't happen, or was not a majorh& > contributor to the incident's cause. > N > It's a difference between a piece of work that is faulty, and pieces of workM > that, individually, are not faulty but that taken together will not work ass9 > designed, or at all. The latter is systems engineering.b > 
 >         Janp  ; While my information of Challanger is from the press I havee< second hand personal information about the other incident. A; former working colleague worked at Logica the company whichn< developed the Arian 4 SW and handed them over to the company which introduced the problem.   ? Anyway we are far OT wrt VMS and the only connection of the twot? topics is the basic line that a society shouldn't depend on thed= correct behaviour of one individual or a company or a system.s= The society should avoid risks with single point of failures..3 Maybe it should use something like VMS clusters ;-)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 01:49:57 +0200c) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>i Subject: Re: The future of VMS, Message-ID: <3B201325.339FFCB1@infopuls.com>   Chris Casey wrote: > E > Christof Brass wrote in message <3B1EB1D4.DE1B4B18@infopuls.com>...t > B > >Sorry to say this again: I looked into MUMPS programs and found; > >them awful - combining the worst aspects of BASIC, C ande > >assembly language.r > K > I didn't think that you had actually said that before in a literate form.qB > I would be interested in your reasoning behind these statements.  ? You're right I only wrote I regard MUMPS more a sickness than a  PL.a? In 1995 I had to advice a hospital in buying new administration 9 SW which had to run on their VMS cluster. There was a newm< developed system entirely written in MUMPS and we attended a: presentation which gave us the impression of only midrange7 quality - especially the UI seems to be very restriced.i  = The hospital already used a MUMPS package which collected thea@ medical results from some laboratories. This also ran on VMS but@ the SysAdmin showed me that it was a single huge process instead< of the other VMS apps which had several processes which made= resource management easier. The MUMPS SW was like an elephant 6 and unfortunately not as stable as the other programs.@ To get an impression I looked at the sources of this laborartory? SW and was really frightened. The syntax is awful and it seemedl@ that there was a substantial lack of modularisation features and< abstraction. I then asked the other company to send us a few= examples of their sources because I hated the hospital buyingr? similar disorganised SW and at that time I wasen't sure if thise9 was a basic MUMPS problem or an individual SW developmentl@ problem. Alas the other company didn't dare to send us one piece of properly developed SW.r  ? Would you like to give a short example why you think that MUMPSe is a superior system?C   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 01:51:20 +0200r) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>  Subject: Re: The future of VMS, Message-ID: <3B201378.889428A1@infopuls.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > Z > In article <3B1EB3CF.561590E0@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: >  > > - Has Ada a GC?r > H > The Ada standard treats garbage collection as an implementation detailD > and neither requires it nor prohibits it.  The marketplace currentJ > state is that compiler implementers are not providing garbage collectionI > and say their customers are not demanding it.  The obvious exception isc4 > Ada compilers that target a Java bytecode machine. > A > > - Has Ada95 a proper type test for dynamically typed objects?  >  > Yes.   Thanks!a? I personally regard GC as a major advantage in oo environments.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 01:56:51 +0200i) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>n Subject: Re: The future of VMS, Message-ID: <3B2014C3.7630E7EB@infopuls.com>   Robert Deininger wrote:i > = > In article <3B1EB3CF.561590E0@infopuls.com>, Christof Brasst > <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:o >  > > Robert Deininger wrote:n > L > > > If long multi-part procedure names become a pain, you can shorten them& > > > with some renaming declarations. > >.9 > > The trend in high quality programming is towards fullpB > > declaration, long names etc., and strongly against renaming or@ > > aliasing because this makes the same objects available under3 > > different names which is overall not desirable.r > E > Renaming a subprogram in Ada isn't what I would call "aliasing", assL > aliasing is usually meant in C or Fortran.  Renaming gives what appears toJ > be a new subprogram in the particular context.  You can change the name,H > paramater defaults, etc.  The fact that the new subprogram is actuallyJ > implemented using an existing one is not really relevant.  Ada won't let > you mix them up. > K > If the subprogram has side effects, then there are many opportunities forhG > obfuscation if a module uses both the old and new names.  But this isnI > really more like the evil of mis-used global data: two routines sharing A > something.  The routine just happen to have the same underlying 8 > implementation, but that's not the source of the evil.  1 I personally like to exactly know what I'm using.f  I > And as Chris pointed out, full names in a large Ada system can get VERY.> > long.  Renaming certainly helps to clarify in some contexts.  ? If this is done in a local scope it might be okay. I personallyt don't mind long names.  J > When you're well-rested, you should jump into the USE vs. no-USE wars inK > Ada some time.  Another facet of "aliasing"?  That debate will never end.a   :-)e  ? > > Some verbosity of all well designed languages (look at JavahD > > which is very verbose for a C style language) is a result of theC > > bad experiences with operator based languages like C/C++, Lisp, A > > APL or PERL. The basic contest: how high is the percentage of ? > > random texts that the compiler/interpreter regards as validg
 > > programs?! > L > I haven't measured, but it seems clear that random texts are very unlikelyJ > to be valid Ada.  And it isn't done with verbosity.  The verbosity is toJ > help human readers, and is a matter of style that is widely used in Ada.J > The compiler has its own ways to catch mistakes, which work just as well > in very terse programs.o  < Yes, of course, proper syntax and strong typing is the major foundation for that matter.a  4 > > The idea of verbosity is to some extend to avoid8 > > stupid mistakes and make the programs easy readable. >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:14:01 +0200o) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>  Subject: Re: The future of VMS, Message-ID: <3B2018C9.1A8E838B@infopuls.com>   Christopher Smith wrote:   [SNIP]  < > > I'm personally sure that there is and will be only smallC > > percentage of programmers who are willing to concentrate on them; > > real interesting programming tasks instead of mastering D > > unecessary problems of PLs that aren't designed or don't meet up? > > to date quality criteria. The question is therefore to find2@ > > exactly this minority and to create a community or something? > > like that which includes these people and the customer/usereA > > base. What interests me most in that respect: how many peopleaA > > are there of this type (including those that don't know yet)? ? > > And is this number high enough to achieve what we need (all ' > > necessary apps and enough payment)?n > ! > You could also express this as:d > K > How many programmers would rather concentrate on large projects vs. small  > single-purpose applications? > = > Which programmers are interested in doing something new vs.V > re-implementation? > L > Which programmers are more likely to want to use an available library than! > to re-write parts on their own?n > $ > It would make an interesting pole. > 
 > Regards, >  > Chrisn > # > Christopher Smith, Perl Developerr > Amdocs - Champaign, IL >  > /usr/bin/perl -e 'A > print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");s > '(  ? I'm not sure if we understand each other in the last paragraph.l? I agree completely that the alternative questions are also very @ interesting but I don't see a clear relationship to the "type of? programmer" and "type of customer/manager" topic that I stated.   : A small example: memory management in C/C++ is done by the7 programmer and very often leads to memory problems likev= accessing invalid memory regions or memory leaks (Slowaris is 7 well known for having substantial memory leaks in its C ; libraries). But most programmers like to write these littlel> memory management statements like alloc, new, free etc.. There7 are a few programmers who think that what could be done > automatically and in high quality shouldn't be a burden of the programmer.a  @ There a few managers of companies that prefer to wait until a SW: product is really usable instead of getting it as early as? possible and then having trouble with the bugs. These companies ! are the target for VMS marketing.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:17:03 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>  Subject: Re: The future of VMS, Message-ID: <3B20197F.42C69FD4@infopuls.com>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > 2 > Might I add my vote for appropriate indentation? > L > I was once asked to add a feature to a program that had been tinkered withL > by several previous generations of programmers. The original author hadn'tH > grasped the concept of indentation or splitting lines for readability.I > Subsequent programmers had actually duplicated his style too, so it was J > really hard to follow. In more than one case, someone had actually put aD > multilevel indented IF in under one of his, and when I applied theK > indentation to the original group it came out identical to the later one.n > J > Halfway down the code there is a comment that looks something like this: > E >      ! **SFS 07/05/96** Third day. Still no sign of an indented IF.wB >      ! Food and water is running out and the bearers are getting5 >      ! restless. I think Carruthers is going mad...r >  > Shane  >  [SNIP]  = May I vote for a source formatter which allows to look at them8 source in your own style. Logitech once offered this for> Modula-2. You could configure it manually or you could give it; an example of your formatting style and it would learn from  that..   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:24:41 +0200r) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>e Subject: Re: The future of VMS, Message-ID: <3B201B49.EAA74F82@infopuls.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > A > OK, as the person who started this particular thread, I'm back.  > B > If it's possible to avoid language wars and the usual C and UnixF > bashing I am going to try an gather real info at this point in time.  
 Hardly ...  A > It looks not only like my plans for sponsoring projects to haveaA > students port one or possibly more opensource/freeware programs ? > to VMS are going to move ahead, it appears at this point that,A > they will be doing the porting to an Alpha running OpenVMS 7.3.o > A > So, I now seriously ask what programs people here would like to, > see ported first?? > C > My personal preference is for program under the BSD style licensee@ > rather than the GPL but anything will be considered.  The only@ > other serious consideration is that there must be a reasonable@ > expectation that the program is capable of being ported withinC > a single semester. (I think that pretty much eliminates somethingi > like GNOME.) >  > My list starts out with: >   A Bourne Shell clone& >   A C-shell clone (most likely tcsh) >   make > > > What particular utilities would other people like to see put! > on the list for consideration??A > @ > One of the requirements for any of these projects will be goodE > documentation of the porting process with an eye towards developingg? > a "Unix to VMS Porting Document" or at least a set of porting 
 > guidelines.i >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>  ? What I would like to see is a tool which automatically converts.; the command line interface of foreign programs to a CLD/VMSt style interface.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:28:03 +0200g) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>t Subject: Re: The future of VMS, Message-ID: <3B201C13.BC16E9B9@infopuls.com>   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:h   [SNIPm  F > Consider writing a version of the GNU getopts() routine that can use% > the CLI$ routines to get it's data.    Exactly what we need.i@ A tool that creates the CLD file out of the source might also be useful.    [SNIP    > -Johne > Personal Opinion Only. > wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Jun 2001 11:16:22 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: The future of VMS- Message-ID: <87snhbwtix.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   + Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:i  F > May I suggest not to define a new PL - there are more than enough to? > choose from - but instead to decide which one to support. Thei< > language should be adequate to the quality of VMS' design,E > architecture and implementation. This would be then the language ofi > choice to write apps for VMS.t  F Like Fortran (for numerical work), Cobol, Pascal, Bliss, or Ada. Hell,D GEM SCAN and add that back in. The 'one tool fits all' idea makes asB much sense in the computer room as it does in the workshop. And inF workshops that care (aircraft), you can be fired for using the C tool. And rightly so.h   -- u< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:11:36 GMTd2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS?3 Message-ID: <c6ST6.1198$fi2.30062@news.cpqcorp.net>o  o In article <o92Ya6pVHjvE@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes: G :I needed one of those last month, so I took the VMSTAR source from the G :Freeware discs and modified it in a couple of hours.  I doubt that you+E :can keep students engaged for a full semester on something that only E :takes me a couple of hours, since VMSTAR is written in C (a languageo :I avoid as much as possible).  G   vmstar is apparently either an old port of tar or is a rather limitedrG   port -- it is missing a number of tar options.  The baseline port to  F   ODS-5 definitely isn't that difficult (assuming willingness to work C   with the existing C code :-), but a port of a more current (full) E   version of tar is likely rather more involved.  (This was the topiccE   of a recent lunch-time discussion among various local engineers...)f  I   Another potential target for a port: XRN -- the existing Motif version m8   of XRN (MXRN) is based on a rather old version of XRN.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:51:24 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)B Subject: Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)3 Message-ID: <0XQT6.1188$fi2.30085@news.cpqcorp.net>   _ In article <9fok9f$ufr$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:a  D   I'd be happy to discuss this topic off-line, as I'm familiar with B   (parts of) the DII COE work that is going into OpenVMS, and I'm 2   familiar with (parts of) the OpenVMS Freeware...   :My list starts out with:  :  A Bourne Shell clone % :  A C-shell clone (most likely tcsh)  :  maket  F   Various of these are readily available, and extensive work is going D   into these areas here in OpenVMS.  I know about bash and make, and4   I'd expect to find a port of csh around somewhere.  D   Shells, by the way, can be a lot of work to port, as folks expect @   the tools that are behind the shells will be available, too...  ? :One of the requirements for any of these projects will be good D :documentation of the porting process with an eye towards developing> :a "Unix to VMS Porting Document" or at least a set of porting :guidelines.  E   There is a UNIX OpenVMS Compatibility book available.  AFAIK, it isrE   either marketing collateral -- perversely, I acquired my copy at a eC   customer event -- or is part of the Tru64 UNIX documentation set.   0   One tool I haven't seen: an ODS-5 capable tar.  5   Another tool that could use an updated port: imake.-  $   A tool I haven't seen ported: RPM.  K   Others: any of various tools that were not carried forward from Freeware fJ   V4.0 to Freeware V5.0 -- these tools did not see updates, and I did not K   have room to carry these through given the (large) volume of new FreewareaF   submissions and updates to existing submissions that I had received.  K      --------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------tN       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 16:35:57 -0500t9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) B Subject: Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)3 Message-ID: <o92Ya6pVHjvE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <0XQT6.1188$fi2.30085@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:a > In article <9fok9f$ufr$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:W  A > :One of the requirements for any of these projects will be goodpF > :documentation of the porting process with an eye towards developing@ > :a "Unix to VMS Porting Document" or at least a set of porting > :guidelines. > G >   There is a UNIX OpenVMS Compatibility book available.  AFAIK, it iseG >   either marketing collateral -- perversely, I acquired my copy at a  E >   customer event -- or is part of the Tru64 UNIX documentation set.w > 2 >   One tool I haven't seen: an ODS-5 capable tar.  F I needed one of those last month, so I took the VMSTAR source from theF Freeware discs and modified it in a couple of hours.  I doubt that youD can keep students engaged for a full semester on something that onlyD takes me a couple of hours, since VMSTAR is written in C (a language I avoid as much as possible).n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:20:28 -05001+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> B Subject: RE: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1F0F@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----% > From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospams  & >   A tool I haven't seen ported: RPM. > ? >   Others: any of various tools that were not carried forward   > from Freeware > >   V4.0 to Freeware V5.0 -- these tools did not see updates,  > and I did not > >   have room to carry these through given the (large) volume  > of new FreewarerH >   submissions and updates to existing submissions that I had received.  H If you just want an RPM extractor, see my previous suggestion (BusyBox),F which includes, among other things, RPM and Debian package extractors.   Regards,   Chrisj  ! Christopher Smith, Perl DeveloperD Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");m 'C   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:22:14 +0200o) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>eB Subject: Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS), Message-ID: <3B201AB6.F1C48190@infopuls.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > j > In article <0XQT6.1188$fi2.30085@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:c > > In article <9fok9f$ufr$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:a > C > > :One of the requirements for any of these projects will be good H > > :documentation of the porting process with an eye towards developingB > > :a "Unix to VMS Porting Document" or at least a set of porting > > :guidelines. > >.I > >   There is a UNIX OpenVMS Compatibility book available.  AFAIK, it istH > >   either marketing collateral -- perversely, I acquired my copy at aG > >   customer event -- or is part of the Tru64 UNIX documentation set.h > >b4 > >   One tool I haven't seen: an ODS-5 capable tar. > H > I needed one of those last month, so I took the VMSTAR source from theH > Freeware discs and modified it in a couple of hours.  I doubt that youF > can keep students engaged for a full semester on something that onlyF > takes me a couple of hours, since VMSTAR is written in C (a language > I avoid as much as possible).y   Yellow card ;-))  4 Bill Gunshannon asked us to stop bashing UNIX and C.  = BTW, did I mention that UNIX should be avoided because it's ar; collection of code without any design, structure or system?,   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 22:31:03 -0500n9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) B Subject: Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)3 Message-ID: <LUi1+fmoiZZE@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  X In article <3B201AB6.F1C48190@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> ek >> In article <0XQT6.1188$fi2.30085@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:g  5 >> >   One tool I haven't seen: an ODS-5 capable tar.  >> mI >> I needed one of those last month, so I took the VMSTAR source from theiI >> Freeware discs and modified it in a couple of hours.  I doubt that youaG >> can keep students engaged for a full semester on something that onlyeG >> takes me a couple of hours, since VMSTAR is written in C (a language   >> I avoid as much as possible). >  > Yellow card ;-))   I don't recognize that term.  6 > Bill Gunshannon asked us to stop bashing UNIX and C.  G Although I might have occasion to criticize C, that was not an example.dD I stated the fact that I try to avoid C.  Based on that, you were toB infer that I am not very experienced at it.  Thus, modifications ID can make in a C program within just a few hours are quite inadequate, to keep Bill's students busy for a semester.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 22:13:56 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: UAF> create/proxy  ???gL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0706012213570001@user-2ive74p.dialup.mindspring.com>  	 Hi folks,e  J The net$proxy.dat on our cluster is corrupted.  It contains an entry (justD one!) that I can't remove.  I don't know how it got there, but it is causing problems.h  B The old-style proxy database, netproxy.dat, seems ok as seen using SHOW/PROXY/OLD.h  D I thought it would be simplest to create new proxy files and re-load them.  But I can't:)   UAF> create/proxyuE %SECSRV-E-PROXYACTIVE, proxy processing is active; you must shut downe' proxy processing to perform this actionp   $ help/message PROXYACTIVE  C  PROXYACTIVE,  proxy processing is active; you must shut down proxyi0                processing to perform this action  '   Facility:     SECSRV, Security ServerV  K   Explanation:  A request was made to start proxy processing or to create aaF                 proxy database but proxy processing is already active.  L   User Action:  You must shut down proxy processing before performing either!                 of these actions.C     If I L! $ SET SERVER SECURITY_SERVER/EXIT( then AUTHORIZE says:   UAF> create/proxy"8 %SECSRV-E-SERVERNOTACTIVE, security server is not active      D The "System Management Utility Reference Manual" (version 7.2) says:   CREATE/PROXY ...  9 If NETPROXY.DAT or NET$PROXY.DAT already exist, AUTHORIZEp,        reports the following error message:     2         %UAF-W-NAFAEX, NETPROXY.DAT already exists  K        To create a new file, you must either delete or rename the old one. e    ? How do I shut down proxy processing?  What manual tells me how?i    . I'm missing something really obvious, I guess.    	 Versions:rB    Alphas:  VMS V7.1-2, DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Version V7.1-ECO06D    VAXes:   VMS V7.2,   DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Version V7.2-1 ECO03        hC Logical names NETPROXY and NET$PROXY point to the same files on alld cluster members.   -- r Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.come   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 22:37:27 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)t# Subject: Re: UAF> create/proxy  ??? 3 Message-ID: <ezkuopQ7cfRH@eisner.encompasserve.org>-   In article <rdeininger-0706012213570001@user-2ive74p.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:-   > If I 7# > $ SET SERVER SECURITY_SERVER/EXITm > then AUTHORIZE says: >  > UAF> create/proxyt: > %SECSRV-E-SERVERNOTACTIVE, security server is not active  E While the security server is down, move the old files out of the way.uE Then restart the security server and issue your CREATE/PROXY command.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:17:18 -0400o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)J Subject: Re: UPDATE - finding the dec-net ethernet address using vms 5.5-2L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0706011917180001@user-2ive74p.dialup.mindspring.com>  ; In article <3B1E448A.BD4082C3@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"e <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  ( > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:
 > > [snip]@ > > The following command will set him the information he seeks: > > 6 > > $ MCR NCL SHOW NODE 0 CSMA-CD STATION * ALL STATUS- > >                ^^^^^^--- this is optionalk > > / > > $ MCR NCL SHOW CSMA-CD STATION * ALL STATUS  > >  > > Compared with Phase-IV > > - > > $ MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN LINE CHARACTERISTICSy > > ) > > Gee, it's only two characters longer!  > C > ...but *FAR* less straight forward - don't even get me started onaA > "intuitive", whatever the hell *THAT* word is supposed to mean!-  9 They are both totally obscure unless you've learned them.h  < I happen to find decnet-plus marginally easier to work with.  J > To someone who was "brought up" on "lines" and "circuits", what the hellH > is a "CSMA-CD STATION"? Some new Micro$hit bloatware? ...a sun desktopF > machine? ...the latest arcade game? ...a service/supply facility for > motor vehicles?   < A line is a thing I draw with my pencil on a piece of paper.) A circuit is where I plug my computer in.o  H > (Yes, I *KNOW* what a "CSMA-CD STATION" is - *NOW*! I took the time to& > look it up circa. six(6) years ago.)  H You looked up "line" and "circuit" once too I bet.  But you've forgotten that distant past...   -- 3 Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:17:25 -0500r1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> J Subject: Re: UPDATE - finding the dec-net ethernet address using vms 5.5-2' Message-ID: <3B2035B5.A63BB87F@fsi.net>    Robert Deininger wrote:h > [snip]> > A line is a thing I draw with my pencil on a piece of paper.+ > A circuit is where I plug my computer in.  > J > > (Yes, I *KNOW* what a "CSMA-CD STATION" is - *NOW*! I took the time to( > > look it up circa. six(6) years ago.) > J > You looked up "line" and "circuit" once too I bet.  But you've forgotten > that distant past...  F Well, I knew that a "line" could be either as you described, or like aD telephone "line" (cue: Glen Campbell singing, "Wichita Lineman") - a! physical connection to something.o  F I'd already learned the concept of having multiple "circuits" over theD same physical line (virtual circuits), mostly with regard to T1s and* such (this was back in the 80s, mind you).  G So, yeah, I looked 'em up - in NCP's on-line HELP to figure out how then terms related to NCP.n   -- s David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:20:30 -0400i  From: Kuff@Tessco.Com (Hal Kuff)- Subject: UPDATE - Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XMLeO Message-ID: <15D747151FCC7DFA.0ED3ECBD8A9BBA7C.B09F3DD16E083DF1@lp.airnews.net>i  H    I appreciate the input from the Compaq folks that monitor here (Kerry especially)....2      Latest news is no news.....  B    It is the inability of the Sales Support folks that back up theH marketing/sales suits we have contacted to bring forward ANYONE to speak1 on behalf of WLS/BEA/OpenVMS that stinks.........e  I    I told BEA that had they mentioned on DAY ONE that they are evaluatingsE coverage on OpenVMS and did not want to make committments without duegJ consultation with the customer.... then we would have reluctantly acceptedH that and made our case for the platform... or purchased the TRU-64 or NT	 solution.   I    We were contacted by one fellow at BEA who is EX-DEC/Compaq (6-8 yearsiC I believe) and he could not get any pre-sales support from the homeh' office... or reach the product manager.)  I    In their case, however, and this is the point to be made here.... TheycH blew a major point of credibility with us.... The messaage they sent wasJ nothing short of 'we are prepared to be less than honest about support for! a product if your check clears'  e  H    Nothing new from a vendor you say.... If we wanted that we would call Computer Associates.                ; In article <3B1FA350.7D518728@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"- <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   > Richard Maher wrote: > >  > > >o+ > > > VMS management have their hands tied.s > >  > > Pig's arse!!!s > F > Elucidate: how can Rich and Mark spend more money than they get from
 > Q/Corp.? >s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 00:42:52 +01001 From: "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk>SC Subject: Re: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstationsh? Message-ID: <991957869.545.1.nnrp-14.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>e  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:o2jehto3lecppgri40ifl1t48loord2h57@4ax.com...0 > On 31 May 2001 18:31:25 +0200, Jan Vorbrueggen: > <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote: >-* > >Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: > >eA > >> That's the point many have made here. They can't use the newiG > >> educational licenses or hobby license or do anything else based onc? > >> verbal OKs because lawyers can always bite you in the end.  > > J > >If he had chosen Germany as the legal venue, his case would likely beenL > >much stronger. Here, a verbal bargain has the same legal standing betweenL > >non-consumers as a written bargain, and given the history as you describe, > >it, it seems unlikely DEC could have won. >-G > But how do you prove you have a verbal agreement? And even if you can-H > the lawyers will probably argue (likely correctly) that those who gaveD > verbal assurances didn't have the corporate position within DEC to > really give this.a  H As my old Dad used to say -  a verbal agreement is worth the paper it is written on <g>   -- Chrisf   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:04:50 -0700n! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comeY Subject: Re: VAXLINK2.EXE for OpenVMS version 7.1 (Reflections terminal Emulation) - Can .D Message-ID: <OF75CC1927.AC89E2F5-ON88256A64.0062F7C9@foundation.com>  I I haven't seen reflections for some time, but last time I looked VAXLINK2eI came with it, and there was an option somewhere in the menus to "push" itoJ through a terminal emulator session. I seem to remember it using CREATE toD build a little noddy file transfer com file, then calling it to takeK delivery of the EXE. Have a look through the help, that's how I found it ine the first place.   Shane           C "Reid David (Softlab)" <David.Reid@Softlab.co.uk>@Softlab.co.uk> on  06/07/2001 08:11:03 AM  C Please respond to "Reid David (Softlab)" <David.Reid@Softlab.co.uk>h   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come cc:.  K Subject:  VAXLINK2.EXE for OpenVMS version 7.1 (Reflections terminal EmulatnK       ion) - Can anyone provide me with a copy of this... ion) - Can anyone K       provide me with a copy of this... ion) - Can anyone provide me with aU       copy of this...t        K It would be much appreciated if anyone could provide me with a copy of thisi7 file, so i can test file transfer from my PC - OpenVMS.   G Also, does anyone no whether additional layered software for OpenVMS isl+ required to perform these transfer requestsd   Cheers   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:27:56 -0700" From: "dpc2" <dpc2@cnmnetwork.com> Subject: VMS / NT integrationr8 Message-ID: <xuYT6.31356$Uo3.1095571@news6.giganews.com>  G Hello, all.  I am a VMS newbie, thrust into admin role against my will.eJ Today, I installed an lpr que for the first time.  And it actually worked!K Which experience made me wonder if I could create a VMS queue for a printer-H served by an NT server queue.  Which also led me to wonder if SMB or NFS, type interoperability with NT was available.  / If anyone can share their wisdom, I'd grateful.f   jean   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:18:21 -0500-+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>5) Subject: RE: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML?gR Message-ID: <DC4745D1A85CA04180C83CDC706A9D180D967D@cthexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Curtis,   ! Without getting into a rat-hole..m  C The person you are dealing with does not have their facts straight.o  E Definately get the person you are working with to contact BEA productu Management.u   :-)>   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicesa Voice: 613-592-4660w Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----@ From: Curtis Rempel [mailto:vmsguy.no.spam.here.please@home.com] Sent: June 7, 2001 12:49 AMr To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comb) Subject: Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML?i    H And today also, the Compaq/BEA consultant we have on site for an OpenVMSJ high availability failover engagement informed us that in his conversationJ with BEA today he was told that OpenVMS is going to be desupported soon so get off it.h   Ahem, most unnerving.   J Can anybody refute this claim, somebody ELSE from BEA for example?  I tend2 to think he may have been talking to a marketroid.  	 Please???a    2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:6dcsht07hj0bs6u9i36o9le6ucq85tsoko@4ax.com...3 > On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 06:56:42 -0500, "Main, Kerry":  > <Kerry.Main@COMPAQ.com> wrote: > K > >Actually, the BEA story with OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX is much better theseu7 > >days .. check out the platform support pages on BEA:0 >1 > Kerry, >cF > A customer says they just talked to BEA sales (which did not inspireG > confidence) and you reply "it is much better these days". What? Sincen > yesterday perhaps? >eE > As well as product availability both Compaq and third party vendors-G > must be aware of their VMS products if they are to sell/support them.rD > Sounds like local BEA folks like local Compaq folks need some more > education. >aF > You can tell I'm a bit tetchy after fighting fast ethernet switches,F > service contracts and (absence of) Alpha literature this last couple > of weeks can't you :-) >i> > Still at least kuff now has some URLs to point BEA folks at. >P7 > >http://www.bea.com/products/messageq/platforms.shtmle7 > >http://www.bea.com/products/tuxedo/platforms_6.shtml\ > >nI > >Key is that, contrary to some other OS platform providers, Compaq does1 not0I > >offer its own competing product in the middleware space, so it makes at > >pretty good fit.h > >u > >:-) > >e > >Regards,2 > >.
 > >Kerry Mainl > >Senior Consultant > >Compaq Canada Inc.t > >Professional Services > >Voice: 613-592-4660 > >Fax  :  819-772-7036  > >Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.comt > >< > >f > >-----Original Message-----t1 > >From: Kuff@Tessco.Com [mailto:Kuff@Tessco.Com]  > >Sent: June 6, 2001 5:24 AMr > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, > >Subject: Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML? > >i > >  > >o > >  > >o > > C > >   A short update... we talked to the local BEA sales office and 	 indicatedeL > >that we wanted to purchase one or more modules for OpenVMS.  We wanted toK > >know what modules we would need, how they installed and workd on OpenVMSt" > >(requirements etc) and pricing. > >  > >rI > >   We were rather surpirsed to hear that the best they could say after K > >four days of conversations with the local sales guy and sales support onu+ > >the West Cost was that it worked on VMS.t > > G > >                     Issue                                  ResponselG > >                     -----                                  --------T@ > >   We asked for release notes and install guides         NONEI > >   We aksed for pre-sales support for OpenVMS            Still looking I > >   OpenVMS Product/Development Manager                   Still LookingnD > >   Reference sites                                       Not Sure > >- > >-I > >   One sales fellow said 'how about if we get Compaq to say it runs onsF > >OpenVMS' our response was 'how about we ask Compaq who your product6 > >manager is since no one at BEA can find him/her'... > >sL > >   In summary, BEA seems unable to produce anyone internal that has seen,J > >heard of, or manages the OpenVMS segment. Most disturbing is what wouldK > >have happened if we had bought something and needed support.  Not at allm a 
 > >good sign.> > >e > >  > >e
 > >In articleSG > ><A082CBA49B3F9AD6.7F8801D5B676C39C.E983D06FD2941F70@lp.airnews.net>,e$ > >Kuff@Tessco.Com (Hal Kuff) wrote: > > C > >> We have a partner that is implementing Weblogic Server on NT..  > >>K > >> They wish to send/receive XML files (with the proper serialisation ando/ > >> recovery-delivery assurances) via SSL ....  > >>J > >> Is anyone out there running the middle-ware pieces of BEA/Weblogic onJ > >> OpenVMS and exchanging files with another system? Is it compatible in some# > >> way with RTR or IBM MessageQ ?a > >>I > >> Anyone using an XML parser in production... The Compaq freeware one?y > >> Someone elses?t >a > -- > Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 03:41:25 GMTs; From: "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here.please@home.com>u) Subject: Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML?-< Message-ID: <FPXT6.116448$Ub.1343546@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>  	 Hi Kerry,r  6 Upon re-reading my posting, I could have been clearer:  
 Where I said:r  L > with BEA today he was told that OpenVMS is going to be desupported soon so   I should have said:r  H  with BEA today he was told that BEA MessageQ for OpenVMS is going to be desupported soon soi  D certainly not OpenVMS itself as what the posting could have implied.I OpenVMS support by Compaq is clearly not going down the drain.  What doeswF appear to be going down the drain however is the OpenVMS flavor of BEAL MessageQ, at least according to the Compaq/BEA consultant who spoke with BEA support.   I hope that clears things up.e  H I will however ask the consultant to whom specifically he spoke and whatK specifically was said and with some luck, maybe even get it in writing (oner# way or the other as to the status).E   Curtis    6 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageL news:DC4745D1A85CA04180C83CDC706A9D180D967D@cthexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net...	 > Curtis,a >a# > Without getting into a rat-hole..t >uE > The person you are dealing with does not have their facts straight.e >aG > Definately get the person you are working with to contact BEA products
 > Management.e >/ > :-)  >C
 > Regards, >A > Kerry Main > Senior Consultante > Compaq Canada Inc. > Professional Servicese > Voice: 613-592-4660s > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >T >r > -----Original Message-----B > From: Curtis Rempel [mailto:vmsguy.no.spam.here.please@home.com] > Sent: June 7, 2001 12:49 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu+ > Subject: Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML?  >  > J > And today also, the Compaq/BEA consultant we have on site for an OpenVMSL > high availability failover engagement informed us that in his conversationL > with BEA today he was told that OpenVMS is going to be desupported soon so
 > get off it.e >o > Ahem, most unnerving.  >iL > Can anybody refute this claim, somebody ELSE from BEA for example?  I tend4 > to think he may have been talking to a marketroid. >e > Please???- >- >-4 > "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message4 > news:6dcsht07hj0bs6u9i36o9le6ucq85tsoko@4ax.com...5 > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 06:56:42 -0500, "Main, Kerry"k" > > <Kerry.Main@COMPAQ.com> wrote: > >nG > > >Actually, the BEA story with OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX is much better, thesen9 > > >days .. check out the platform support pages on BEA:  > >E
 > > Kerry, > >_H > > A customer says they just talked to BEA sales (which did not inspireI > > confidence) and you reply "it is much better these days". What? Sincee > > yesterday perhaps? > > G > > As well as product availability both Compaq and third party vendorsPI > > must be aware of their VMS products if they are to sell/support them.1F > > Sounds like local BEA folks like local Compaq folks need some more > > education. > >dH > > You can tell I'm a bit tetchy after fighting fast ethernet switches,H > > service contracts and (absence of) Alpha literature this last couple > > of weeks can't you :-) > >a@ > > Still at least kuff now has some URLs to point BEA folks at. > >X9 > > >http://www.bea.com/products/messageq/platforms.shtmlt9 > > >http://www.bea.com/products/tuxedo/platforms_6.shtmlD > > >AK > > >Key is that, contrary to some other OS platform providers, Compaq does  > not K > > >offer its own competing product in the middleware space, so it makes a  > > >pretty good fit.W > > >L > > >:-) > > >C
 > > >Regards,e > > >  > > >Kerry Mainr > > >Senior Consultant > > >Compaq Canada Inc.a > > >Professional Services > > >Voice: 613-592-4660 > > >Fax  :  819-772-7036i! > > >Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.comt > > >l > > >r > > >-----Original Message----- 3 > > >From: Kuff@Tessco.Com [mailto:Kuff@Tessco.Com]k > > >Sent: June 6, 2001 5:24 AMr > > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. > > >Subject: Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML? > > >M > > >t > > >a > > >a > > >s > > > E > > >   A short update... we talked to the local BEA sales office and  > indicatedsK > > >that we wanted to purchase one or more modules for OpenVMS.  We wanted  toE > > >know what modules we would need, how they installed and workd onN OpenVMSO$ > > >(requirements etc) and pricing. > > >i > > >aK > > >   We were rather surpirsed to hear that the best they could say afterrJ > > >four days of conversations with the local sales guy and sales support on- > > >the West Cost was that it worked on VMS.h > > >uI > > >                     Issue                                  Response I > > >                     -----                                  -------- B > > >   We asked for release notes and install guides         NONEK > > >   We aksed for pre-sales support for OpenVMS            Still looking K > > >   OpenVMS Product/Development Manager                   Still LookingMF > > >   Reference sites                                       Not Sure > > >s > > > K > > >   One sales fellow said 'how about if we get Compaq to say it runs onnH > > >OpenVMS' our response was 'how about we ask Compaq who your product8 > > >manager is since no one at BEA can find him/her'... > > >nH > > >   In summary, BEA seems unable to produce anyone internal that has seen,eL > > >heard of, or manages the OpenVMS segment. Most disturbing is what wouldI > > >have happened if we had bought something and needed support.  Not ate all  > ay > > >good sign.  > > >d > > >  > > >P > > >In articleoI > > ><A082CBA49B3F9AD6.7F8801D5B676C39C.E983D06FD2941F70@lp.airnews.net>,b& > > >Kuff@Tessco.Com (Hal Kuff) wrote: > > >iE > > >> We have a partner that is implementing Weblogic Server on NT... > > >>I > > >> They wish to send/receive XML files (with the proper serialisationt and 1 > > >> recovery-delivery assurances) via SSL ....g > > >>L > > >> Is anyone out there running the middle-ware pieces of BEA/Weblogic onL > > >> OpenVMS and exchanging files with another system? Is it compatible in > some% > > >> way with RTR or IBM MessageQ ?r > > >>K > > >> Anyone using an XML parser in production... The Compaq freeware one?g > > >> Someone elses?. > >C > > -- > > Alan >0   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 00:40:36 +01001 From: "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk>t$ Subject: Re: What does READ/NEW do ?? Message-ID: <991957869.545.0.nnrp-14.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>n  J Its not that I had deleted MAIL.MAL files - its always them other bu**ers.  E However to my amazement RED/NEW actually works. Another weapon in thet
 armoury...  G Also apologies for doubting...it was that I used to use READ/NEW from ae proper account...u   -- Chrisl  4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message& news:4JUN200122200001@gerg.tamu.edu...7 > "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk> writes... C > }I will give it another try - I have a variety of VMS versions...- > }r > }--e > }Chris > D > If you are willing to loose all your settings (editor, forwarding,C > mail subdirectory, etc.) you can just use the REMOVE command frompF > inside MAIL to nuke the record out of the VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA file. > See "MAIL> HELP REMOVE". >sC > Considering that you said it was a test account and you had triedoB > deleting the MAIL.MAI file, I suspect that loosing your settings > isn't a problem. >e
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Jun 2001 02:37:09 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?- Message-ID: <87lmn4yw4q.fsf@prep.synonet.com>h  4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  > > In article <87n17nquwj.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi  > <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  @ > > 400-1500% depending on time, place and year. The CSIRO did a? > > plankton survey in Spring some years ago. They discovered aE? > > precipitous drop in numbers in the upper water layers. This5D > > corresponded to the southern 'hole' within a few Km over a 4-500 > > Km run.   ? > I'm not doubting your word, but these numbers just don't seemnD > credible.  If you happen to have pointers to the original sources,> > please shout them out.  In the meantime, I remain a skeptic.  A As I remember, I read the report in New Scientist. Can't rememberTF the original paper. It was probably reported on the ABCs Science Show,! so a search there may turn it up.a     -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.l@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov o   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Jun 2001 02:40:04 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?- Message-ID: <87hexsyvzv.fsf@prep.synonet.com>g  1 jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:g  # > Sounds like Chicken Little to me.e  F Does Chicken little intend to visit the Larsen A or B ice shelves? Too late, they have melted already.h  D > The current thinking amoung climate experts is that melting of theD > polar icecaps would require an average change of 4 degrees C.  TheD > measured change in the last 100 years is 0.6 degrees C, and recent; > evidence states that this may be as much as 40% too high.w  G It is not the average that matters. Local conditions and ocean currentsg have the dominant effect.o   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2001 15:00:16 -0500e- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?3 Message-ID: <OhTMIu+fz92b@eisner.encompasserve.org>C  Y In article <3B1F5540.43B85F24@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes: I > So instead everyone thinks the USA is a big bad bully boy who goes backo: > on its word? Great self image, really (sarcasm implied).  E Wrong self image.  Don't you know all Americans are taught from birtheH how many times we saved the world?  You really have to look hard on thisE side of the pond to find out why the Russians are afraid we'll invade1 them again.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupoE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying!   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:05:18 +0000 (UTC)' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) 2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?+ Message-ID: <9foj9e$2mh$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>r  b In article <3b1e63c0$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:D >>When a prime minister has a majority government, he has reasonable' >expectation that his decisions will be- >>approved by the house. >7F >Thank you for supporting my point.  You say "reasonable expectation".L >Correct.  Not "guarantee".  A "reasonable expectation" of approval does notH >mean guarantee of approval.  Also, you say "has a majority government".K >Everyone knows Bill Clinton did not have a Democrat-controlled legislatureu: >when he agreed to bring the treaty back for ratification. >5M >When did "reasonable chance" turn into "little chance"?  You're changing the ! >rules in the middle of the game.m >--:  L In practise if a Prime Minister has a majority then he can force through anyL legislation by turning it into a confidence motion. MPs voting against theirO own party to bring down its government has often been likened to Turkeys votingl for Xmas - It doesn't happen.t  O With a minority administration the Prime Minister has to more careful since hisoJ party's partners in Government might decide they can improve their future N numerical representation by bringing down the Government over this "Unpopular" legislation.  I A british Prime Minister would be extremly foolish if while heading up a sO minority administration he agreed to a treaty which his electoral partners were6 unlikely to support.        K The first past the post voting system in the UK (whatever its other faults) C does at least tend to produce majority and hence stable goverments.rD Minority administrations tend to be relatively rare and tend to last  for a considerably shorter time.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Jun 2001 03:34:32 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?- Message-ID: <87zobkxewn.fsf@prep.synonet.com>k  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:o  D > Consider also the environmental costs of the larger vehicles: theyE > require wider streets, require more space on highways, more parking E > space etc etc. On a large scale, if you fill a city with asphalt oreE > concrete parking lots instead of grassed/tree parks, it makes a bige' > difference in the quality of the air./  F Or the mirth to all of a Olds(not)mobile very firly wedged between twoA houses in Spain. I think the local garage owner response was ( mycA Catalan was non-existant), "I'm not stupid enought to even try to  drive a truck down there!"   -- R< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.9@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------    Date: 08 Jun 2001 11:05:42 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?- Message-ID: <87wv6nwu0p.fsf@prep.synonet.com>o  % system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes:d  1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:p  ? > >Note that the USA had no choice but to abide by the MontrealrD > >protocol to stop the use of CFCs. Kyoto may have failed, but in aF > >few years, there will be a study that will show conclusive proof ofE > >the damage and once they can set a date for when Manhattan will be . > >flooded by the oceans, the USA will have to  B > Just to reiterate my reading of the evidence global warming is aF > real threat for a variety of reasons, but Manhattan being flooded isE > pretty low on the list, the predictions I have seen which referenceo8 > refereed papers are generally well below 1 meter rise.  C > That would cause serious damage in many places, but I don't think ; > Manhattan is one of them.  (Then again I've never been toi
 > Manhattan).   D You don't have to flood Manhatten Is, just a good high tide to flood1 the trafic tunnels will be far more entertaining.c   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov 8   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.315 ************************