1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 08 Jun 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 316       Contents:, Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun+ Re: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message? + Re: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message? + Re: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message? + Re: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message? + Re: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message? + Re: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message?  Re: .CLD file size limits # Re: 10 vs 100 Mb ethernet on xp1000  Adding a CPU7 Re: Anyone esle use Sybase client to access ASE on VMS?  CA - the final straw Re: CA - the final straw Compaq Exits PC Price Wars Re: disabling floppy drive Re: disabling floppy drive DOWNLOAD WHATEVER YOU WANT!!!!! 3 Re: esa12000fc and ema12000 differences/experiences 3 RE: esa12000fc and ema12000 differences/experiences $ How can i set a DLT tapedrive online( Re: How can i set a DLT tapedrive online( Re: How can i set a DLT tapedrive online( Re: How can i set a DLT tapedrive online( Re: How can i set a DLT tapedrive online@ Re: How to run TCL Scripts on Open VMS from the DCL Command Line2 Re: Hydro, was (OT) Current Microsoft V DOJ status lexical minute of the day  Re: lexical minute of the day  Re: lexical minute of the day  Re: lexical minute of the day  Re: lexical minute of the day * Re: lexical minute of the day (correction)6 Re: Low level format of SCSI disk, so VMS can read it.6 Re: Low level format of SCSI disk, so VMS can read it. NCP to NCL command equivilants" Re: NCP to NCL command equivilants" Re: NCP to NCL command equivilants" Re: NCP to NCL command equivilants" Re: NCP to NCL command equivilants" Re: NCP to NCL command equivilants NYSE Re: NYSE% Re: OpenVMS VAX moving to CD-ROM kits  Re: problem with Decwindows E Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation E Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation E Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation N Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation-addendum  Re[2]: lexical minute of the day$ Re: Re[2]: lexical minute of the day  Re[2]: lexical minute of the day Re: select() on non-sockets  Software to port to VMS  Re: Software to port to VMS  Re: Software to port to VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS  re: The future of VMS  RE: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS 9 Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS) 9 Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS) 9 RE: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS) 9 Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS) 9 Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)  Re: UAF> create/proxy  ???: Re: Unable to Telnet & Rlogin from Solaris/HPUX to OpenVMS: Re: Unable to Telnet & Rlogin from Solaris/HPUX to OpenVMS: Re: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations Re: VMS / NT integration Re: VMS / NT integration Re: VMS / NT integration Re: VMS / NT integration Re: VMS / NT integration Re: VMS / NT integration+ VMS Installation and set up (from a newbie)   Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML?  Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML?  Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML?= Re: Who gets blamed for faulty software (was: A New Twist...) ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:59:29 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun 3 Message-ID: <jv7U6.1240$fi2.32030@news.cpqcorp.net>   D Paul Repacholi wrote in message <87vgm8xedi.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...8 >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: > 0 >Ah, so you would remember Hugo Z. Hackenbush :) >     K Sure.  Of course I haven't seen Robert since he left a few years ago (aside J from the odd encounter  now and then at szechuan chef.  I can't say that I< was part of the "in" crowd like Tim, Robert, Ben, & company.   > E >Fred, you may know this; I was told it would have been very straight C >forward to extend POSUM to work with terminals for most functions.  >Would that have been so?  >     " Sure but why would anyone want to?  K When you get down to it, most RSX users would have been in heaven if we had A given them a system with little more than a multi-window terminal J interface -- even if it started out primitive (like full screen swapping -I like we did have for remote terminals).  With the familiar MCR prompt, or J even DCL.  I arrived in the group from software services in NY just beforeJ FT1, when they gutted the CLI.  Until that point, in fact, when you booted; you saw RSX boot, and then the UI get started on top of it.   H On the other hand, what people with some "vision" wanted was a Lisa-likeF interface (we had one in out lab) without some of the more nazi-object; quirks in the original Lisa (i.e. the kinder, gentler Mac).   K What we got was neither.  But the people running things still felt that "if J we build it, they will come".  That everyone would realize the superiority1 of the PDP11 over the x86, and we would clean up.   L The Pro was an unmitigated disaster as a product.  It had some clever thingsF done in it, heck in the Pro-Server version, it did diskless "clusters"H before VMS.  Part of it was the software (but heck, the IBM PC sucked inH that area too), and the closed HW design also prevented it from having a chance to become a "standard".  J The best thing to come out of the Pro group wasn't anything to do with theK Pro.  It was notes.  It was the first time an engineering group had a notes J file (CTNOTES) where people not in the engineering group had a place whereD they could express their opinions about the product and features.  A! forerunner of this type of forum.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:02:23 -0400 , From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com>4 Subject: Re: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message?8 Message-ID: <lni1ito9vqs7p4g45fvfbui97ee6vjkmiu@4ax.com>  E On 7 Jun 2001 14:50:57 -0500, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  wrote:   > > >Compaq Fortran V7.3-965-44A1I running on Alpha OpenVMS 7.2-1. > H >When I run the following Fortran 90 program with an intentional attemptF >to allocate an already allocated array, I get a less than meaningfullC >error message.  Am I missing a message file?  (I tried an explicit ? >set message on sys$message:f90$msg, sys$message:fort$msg, and   >sys$message:fort$msg2.)     This should be:   9  FOR-F-INVREALLOC, allocatable array is already allocated   A The message EXEs you are looking at are for the compiler, not the A run-time library.  The FOR messages tend to come from the OpenVMS C system messages, but this is a new one that wasn't in 7.2-1.  I had E thought we built the RTLs to include their own copies of the message, ( but perhaps the one you're using is not.   Try downloading L ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/fortran/OpenVMS/CFAV-FORRTL-V0704-3.zipexe   RUN it to unpack and then:  ) $ PRODUCT INSTALL FORRTL /SOURCE=[] /HELP   D to install.  This will give you the latest Fortran RTL, which I knowB includes the latest messages, and will also avoid a problem that'sF come up with upgrading to VMS 7.3, where you get a DUPKEY error duringD the VMS upgrade.  I recommend that all Fortran users running OpenVMSC Alpha 7.1 or later install this kit, which is compatible with older A versions of the compiler.  I'll be posting a more general message = about this soon.  Send me mail if you have questions on this.       - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)  Fortran Engineering & Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:04:31 -0400 , From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com>4 Subject: Re: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message?8 Message-ID: <k7j1its8pmtevbgtf0461jas7mdt09o8bm@4ax.com>  F On 7 Jun 2001 19:20:17 GMT, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) wrote:     > + >Using  Ferry Bolhr's LOOK_MSG.COM script:  >  >  $ @look_msg 001884BC  >  >  Looking in UISMSGLOA.EXE...E >  %SYSTEM-F-IVSECIDCTL, invalid section identification match control   B It's just wrong.  001884BC has the "facility-specific" bit set, soF there's no way it can be a SYSTEM message.  The script is ignoring theC facility and just looking for the message code anywhere it can find  it.     - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)  Fortran Engineering & Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 10:11 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 4 Subject: Re: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message?, Message-ID: <8JUN200110113128@gerg.tamu.edu>  i In article <lni1ito9vqs7p4g45fvfbui97ee6vjkmiu@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> writes... F }On 7 Jun 2001 14:50:57 -0500, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) }wrote:  }  }>? }>Compaq Fortran V7.3-965-44A1I running on Alpha OpenVMS 7.2-1.  }>I }>When I run the following Fortran 90 program with an intentional attempt G }>to allocate an already allocated array, I get a less than meaningfull D }>error message.  Am I missing a message file?  (I tried an explicit@ }>set message on sys$message:f90$msg, sys$message:fort$msg, and  }>sys$message:fort$msg2.)  }  }  }This should be: } : } FOR-F-INVREALLOC, allocatable array is already allocated } B }The message EXEs you are looking at are for the compiler, not theB }run-time library.  The FOR messages tend to come from the OpenVMSD }system messages, but this is a new one that wasn't in 7.2-1.  I hadF }thought we built the RTLs to include their own copies of the message,) }but perhaps the one you're using is not.  }  }Try downloadingM }ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/fortran/OpenVMS/CFAV-FORRTL-V0704-3.zipexe  }  }RUN it to unpack and then:  } * }$ PRODUCT INSTALL FORRTL /SOURCE=[] /HELP } E }to install.  This will give you the latest Fortran RTL, which I know C }includes the latest messages, and will also avoid a problem that's G }come up with upgrading to VMS 7.3, where you get a DUPKEY error during E }the VMS upgrade.  I recommend that all Fortran users running OpenVMS D }Alpha 7.1 or later install this kit, which is compatible with olderB }versions of the compiler.  I'll be posting a more general message> }about this soon.  Send me mail if you have questions on this. } . }Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)   Danger, Will Robinson!  I Something that it doesn't tell you until *after* you have installed it is G that if you are running VMS V7.1 or 7.2 (including -x) you will need to K reboot if you install this and have never installed Fortran v 7.3 or later:   I      If you did not previously install Compaq Fortran version 7.3, or are M      installing under OpenVMS 7.1 or 7.2 (including any "-x" updates), please L      reboot this system and any other Alpha systems in this OpenVMS cluster.J      Failure to do so may cause image activation and other errors due to aH      problem in the OpenVMS operating system involving replacement of anI      image with a shareable address section (DPML$SHR.EXE).  This problem F      is corrected in OpenVMS 7.3.  (If you previously installed CompaqM      Fortran 7.3 or later, the new version of DPML$SHR.EXE is already present @      and was not replaced, therefore a reboot is not necessary.)  C In many cases this would be a bad thing to have to do unexpectedly.   C (Fortunately, I've already got Fortran 7.3-1 installed so no reboot  was needed.)   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 13:15:03 -0500 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message?3 Message-ID: <9owYECQDQPfy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <lni1ito9vqs7p4g45fvfbui97ee6vjkmiu@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> writes:  > This should be:  > ; >  FOR-F-INVREALLOC, allocatable array is already allocated  > C > The message EXEs you are looking at are for the compiler, not the C > run-time library.  The FOR messages tend to come from the OpenVMS E > system messages, but this is a new one that wasn't in 7.2-1.  I had G > thought we built the RTLs to include their own copies of the message, * > but perhaps the one you're using is not. >  > Try downloading N > ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/fortran/OpenVMS/CFAV-FORRTL-V0704-3.zipexe  I Thanks, Steve.  I assume this will also fix the message I found yesterday H (trying to deallocate a pointer that no longer pointed to an allocatable array).   & OBTW, the compiler only seems to know:! %F90-W-WARNING, fill in the blank  %F90-E-ERROR, fill in the blank  %F90-F-FATAL, fill in the blank   9 (i.e. only 3 VMS messages, but the text varies as needed)   F Is this by some chance due to code sharing between the VMS, UNIX, and  WNT versions of the compiler?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:39:53 -0400 , From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com>4 Subject: Re: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message?8 Message-ID: <kb32its8a9eqrn52prkutofchdrka8o4gk@4ax.com>  E On 8 Jun 2001 13:15:03 -0500, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  wrote:    J >Thanks, Steve.  I assume this will also fix the message I found yesterdayI >(trying to deallocate a pointer that no longer pointed to an allocatable  >array).  
 It should.   > ' >OBTW, the compiler only seems to know: " >%F90-W-WARNING, fill in the blank  >%F90-E-ERROR, fill in the blank  >%F90-F-FATAL, fill in the blank > : >(i.e. only 3 VMS messages, but the text varies as needed) > G >Is this by some chance due to code sharing between the VMS, UNIX, and   >WNT versions of the compiler?  D Well, it's really just the way it was designed.  The compiler pieces? together messages to provide longer, more descriptive messages. 6 Having the message idents wouldn't help all that much.    - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)  Fortran Engineering & Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:41:02 -0400 , From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com>4 Subject: Re: %FOR-F-NOMSG, where's the real message?8 Message-ID: <bf32itku8pd53rf1t29f1hl571sp0s6afk@4ax.com>  A On 8 Jun 2001 10:11 CDT, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:    >Danger, Will Robinson!  > J >Something that it doesn't tell you until *after* you have installed it isH >that if you are running VMS V7.1 or 7.2 (including -x) you will need toL >reboot if you install this and have never installed Fortran v 7.3 or later: > J >     If you did not previously install Compaq Fortran version 7.3, or areN >     installing under OpenVMS 7.1 or 7.2 (including any "-x" updates), pleaseM >     reboot this system and any other Alpha systems in this OpenVMS cluster. K >     Failure to do so may cause image activation and other errors due to a I >     problem in the OpenVMS operating system involving replacement of an J >     image with a shareable address section (DPML$SHR.EXE).  This problemG >     is corrected in OpenVMS 7.3.  (If you previously installed Compaq N >     Fortran 7.3 or later, the new version of DPML$SHR.EXE is already presentA >     and was not replaced, therefore a reboot is not necessary.)  > D >In many cases this would be a bad thing to have to do unexpectedly.  A Sorry about that - you're right.  Our installation guide does say 5 this, but folks reading this wouldn't have seen that.f      - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com), Fortran Engineering & Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 06:04:49 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)e" Subject: Re: .CLD file size limits5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-OdYRtdyMhEHg@localhost>o  A On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 20:04:40, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff S Hoffman) wrote:s  g > In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-0LdddTghZQvV@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes: D > :     does anybody know if there is a maximum size that an object % > :created from a .CLD file can have.s > 9 >   Likely, but I don't off-hand know the specific limit.S > & > :I ask because I added a new option I > :to one of my commands this evening and when I tried to use it, I got a:G > :'Can't find item in table' message. It quotes the item it's looking  H > :for but that isn't the one I'm parsing. I think it's the next one in 5 > :the .CLD file (I've come home now so can't check).2 >  >   Just how big is this CLD?t > 7 >   Can you provide the big CLD and a small reproducer?e > A >   Did you reinstall the command tables and reload them into thekE >   existing process(es) in question and/or log in anew?  (I've made r" >   variations of this mistake...)  > Thanks for the quick reply Hoff, one of the advantages of the  trans-atlantic time=shift :-).  A It is large, I use it as the parser for the scripts for our test  C system. It is a good simple, easily programmed interface with many tC strengths. The install/re-link forgetfulness I've done many a time > myself and it was my  F first thought until I noticed that the entity it could not find was an& old one and not the new. That's when IF started to wonder about sizes. I did do the SET COMM /OBJ and compiled; the parsing module again anyway though. Experience shows...g  F When I get in this morning I'll try commenting out one of the options F which isn't used (Idon't think the code behind it works either...) andD see if required one behaves. I'll pack the erroneous one up with an  example if I can.n   -- S Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:06:16 -05001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>i, Subject: Re: 10 vs 100 Mb ethernet on xp10008 Message-ID: <9fqpm2$6cu$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  L Read through the Alpha 4100 firmware release notes yesterday and here's whatJ it says about DE500-xx and autonegotiate.  In summary, not recommended and6 if you have >1 DE500, foget it.  Here are the details:    =    3.10   DIGITAL Fast EtherWORKS PCI 10/100 (DE500) Adaptersg           and Auto-negotiation  >           The console supports the DIGITAL Fast EtherWORKS PCI;           10/100-TX Adapters (DE500-AA and DE500-BA). These @           adapters support auto-negotiation which is a mechanism>           to advertise, to detect, and to negotiate line speed?           abilities of auto-negotiation supported devices on ant=           ethernet wire. In auto-negotiate mode the user doesy=           not need to know the line speed of auto-negotiationn;           supported devices on the other end of an ethernet            wire.s  ;           Important: Auto-negotiate mode is NOT RECOMMENDED ;           if you know the speed of your ethernet because of :           possible considerable delay when booting or when>           restarting the operating system. This is because the?           operating system will start/stop device drivers three7;           times before the operating system is on-line when =           booting or before the operating system relinquishes 0           control to the console on a shutdown..  A            Use auto-negotiation ONLY if the DE500-*A is connectedn9           to an ethernet which supports auto-negotiation.1>           Otherwise the DE500-*A will respond with the default,           setting of 100Base TX full-duplex.  %           ___________________________r  &    3.10.1 Set EW*0_Mode Auto-Negotiate  6           Example to set the DE500-AA or DE500-BA into            auto-negotiation mode:  :                        P00>>> set ewa0_mode auto-negotiate  ;           The DE500-*A then advertises its abilities on the :           ethernet wire by sending a link code word on the@           ethernet wire. If the DE500-*A does not get a response9           (a link code word from another auto-negotiationf@           supported device) the DE500-*A will set its line speed@           to 100BaseTx full-duplex. It will take several seconds=           before you see the SRM console P00>>> prompt to geti0           the DE500-*A into auto-negotiate mode.  <           Below is an example of setting the adapter mode to@           auto-negotiate on a system where the Ethernet does not?           support auto-negotiation or there is no response fromt?           the Ethernet. From the console, you see the followingo           display:  L                        P00>>> set ewc0_mode auto-negotiate  (Note:this takes several seconds)F                        ewc0: link failed : Using 100BaseTX full duplex  >           In the above case change ewc0_mode to Twisted to use1           the DE500-*A in a 10BaseTx environment.-  %           ___________________________-  8    3.10.2 Behavior Note on Systems with Multiple DE500's  =           Auto-negotiation mode is NOT RECOMMENDED on DIGITAL :           UNIX or OpenVMS systems with more than one DE500@           because of possible considerable delay when booting or?           when restarting the operating system. This is becausem>           the operating system will start/stop drivers several?           times during a boot or reboot. It is recommended thatJ@           you set the DE500-*A to the line speed of the ethernet4           wire instead of using auto-negotiate mode.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 17:24:55 GMTo From: sfm1115@bjc.org (Shawn)l Subject: Adding a CPUl0 Message-ID: <3b2109a6.80321416@news.starnet.net>  E I have to AlphaServer 2100's 4/200 Servers.  Both are running OpenVms% 7.2-1.  C One is the production server the other is the test server.  I foundrD that in the Test Server there are 2 CPU Boards and in the production server there is only 1.  T  D Also looking in the production server I have found an avaliable slot for a 2nd CPU Board.  F If I were to take the 2nd CPU out of the test server and put it in theB production server, is there anything that I need to do at the BootB Level or OpenVMS level to let the server know I have added the 2nd CPU.     Thanks   Shawn    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:37:18 -0400- From: William_Bochnik@acml.com@ Subject: Re: Anyone esle use Sybase client to access ASE on VMS?> Message-ID: <OF0825B34D.D841EE3B-ON85256A65.004AC22A@acml.com>  A You might want to elaborate - if a company decides to discontinue2< a product, or goes out of business, end users desires do not enter into it.      t                                                                                                                     t                     Paul                                                                                            t                     Repacholi                    To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                                         t                     <prep@prep.sy                cc:                                                                t                     nonet.com>           Subject:     Re: Anyone esle use Sybase client to access ASE on VMS?       t                                                                                                                     t                     06/07/2001                                                                                      t                     11:07 AM                                                                                        t                                                                                                                     t                                                                                                                           - kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:   ? > 2 - You should migrate all your databases from Sybase as soonr as> > possible.  They are not long for this world, unless they are bought > by someone else.  > Why do you say this? Sybase is used in some sites that are not goingR to let it go away.   --< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.c@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. Spam-To:? uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,!"   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov          F ______________________________________________________________________  : The information contained in this transmission may contain< privileged and confidential information and is intended only< for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the< intended recipient,  or an employee or agent responsible for? delivering this message to the intended recipient,  any review,t@ dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication> is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,A please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroye# all copies of the original message.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 15:41:39 GMTe; From: "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here.please@home.com>d Subject: CA - the final strawm* Message-ID: <Tm6U6.2790$6N.11670@shaw-ty2>  I Effective next week, we are shutting down our ScheduleIT product from CA,nG formerly known as DECscheduler by the company formerly known as Digitali+ (R.I.P.), and migrating to another product.f  K All of a sudden the robust CA license scheme (ha!) has decided to bail, and7J apparently we are not the only affected customer.  We would probably still* be using it if they hadn't ripped out LMF.  J For any other unfortunate users of CA products who have not yet received aL notice from CA via email or on your operator console, here is the message we received this morning:  < From: LicenseIT Responses [mailto:LicenseITResponses@CA.COM] Sent: June 7, 2001 9:14 PM' To: LicenseIT-Responses@LISTSERV.CA.COMeA Subject: ** URGENT - Important CA License Information Enclosed **      Dear Valued Client: I In the last few days, we have come to understand that a number of clientsfI who have previously upgraded or changed their hardware configuration havelK not installed updated license keys. These installations of non-mainframe CAVL products have continued to operate because of a built-in safety key that wasJ designed to provide clients with a temporary grace period. This safety keyJ expires on June 15, 2001. Any client whose current active configuration isF not accurately reflected in their license keys is benefiting from thisK built-in safety key. This also applies to license keys in new installations @ where clients may have provided CA with inaccurate configurationE information. Again, we stress that this safety key, in all instances,BL expires on June 15, 2001. Given the number of inquiries we have received, weL believe that many clients may be relying on this safety key in their regular production environments.I We strongly advise all installations, new and old, to carefully check theMC log files on all machines running CA software, as documented in the A instructions below. In the event that you receive these licensingoL violation/expiration messages, immediately follow the instructions outlined.K Following these instructions will automatically extend your grace period to  January 30, 2002.oG To ensure your continued satisfaction with our products, we urge you to-J apply, as soon as possible, for a valid permanent key through our standardK license key procedures. A valid permanent key will eliminate this situationc in the future.E Please note also that this advisory addresses only those 'Enterprise'iC products that are licensed utilizing our 'LicenseIT' tool, and thatxK workgroup/advanced edition products which utilize our 'RegisterIT' tool are>
 not impacted.AG Again, we strongly suggest you implement our recommendations at once toI8 ensure the continued optimum performance of CA products.F At CA, we consider you, our valued client, an important partner in theK development, use and advancement of new and existing software technologies.e/ We thank you for your attention to this matter.e James Bartunek/ Senior Vice President, Global Technical Support      INSTRUCTIONS  L If you are receiving the following message on any of your machines running aE non-mainframe CA product, either in a popup on your screen, or in thea7 LIC98.LOG file under the CA_LIC directory, that states:dK  "Computer Associates Licensing -XXXX - License will expire. Please contact H your account representative to renew your license.    <where XXXX is a 4/ alphanumeric code representing your CA product>r  Please do the following:jG 1) First make a backup copy of your existing CA.OLF file located in thee CA_LICG    directory of the machine(s) in question. Name the backup OLDOLF.BKP.tG 2) Copy the contents at the bottom of this email and append them to theeJ bottom of the original CA.OLF file on the machine that is experiencing the licensing error.E 3) Save the newly updated CA.OLF file and the change will take effect I immediately (it is not necessary to either reboot your machine or recycleT the licensed product).J 4) If you have any questions regarding this procedure, please contact your@ CA Technical Support representative for the product in question.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:16:33 -07002 From: "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com>! Subject: Re: CA - the final strawa2 Message-ID: <9fqu2v$9ee$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>  5 It sounds like CA's message says that the software ist5 licensed for a particular cpu class or configuration.d6 Lots of software is licensed this way.  If you upgrade5 your system to a more powerful cpu, the customer willp6 frequently owe an upgrade fee.  The message appears to7 be an attempt to enforce this provision of the license.t  5 Are you saying that you have NOT upgraded your system-7 and that the license key routines are wrongly enforcing03 the fictitious upgrade?  Or are you saying that youu5 have upgraded your system, but that you don't want tos pay the upgrade license fee?  D Curtis Rempel <vmsguy.no.spam.here.please@home.com> wrote in message$ news:Tm6U6.2790$6N.11670@shaw-ty2...K > Effective next week, we are shutting down our ScheduleIT product from CA, I > formerly known as DECscheduler by the company formerly known as Digitala- > (R.I.P.), and migrating to another product.n >aI > All of a sudden the robust CA license scheme (ha!) has decided to bail,i andsL > apparently we are not the only affected customer.  We would probably still, > be using it if they hadn't ripped out LMF. >LL > For any other unfortunate users of CA products who have not yet received aK > notice from CA via email or on your operator console, here is the messaged we > received this morning: >m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:56:59 -0400b+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>t# Subject: Compaq Exits PC Price Wars'# Message-ID: <sb20af9a.077@aaas.org>   % Did everyone catch this announcement?/  1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/19554.htmlk   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:58:34 +0200: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl># Subject: Re: disabling floppy drivesJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106081248090.15895-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  * On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Fred Kleinsorge wrote: [...]h? >+> I am confused with the "corrupt sys$config.dat" resolution:tA >+>will be DVA0: checked even if exluded in *supported* manner ??   @  See: I look for resolution where can override the AUTOCONFIGURE check. [...]e= >+Corrupt was a euphamism for modify so the floppy wont work.o    Ok.5  Regardless of rest your mail is worth as descriptionN of third-party boot :)  But in the specific example:h [...] $ >+$cre/dir dva0:[000000.sys0.sysexe]  = ...you suggest on *other* VAX ? (Herb can NOT use the floppy)N [...]HM >+Now, boot the CD, but give it 0,80000 as the boot flags, AND add a ", DVA0"-@ >+to the end of the boot command (i.e. B -fl 0,80000 dqa0, dva0) >+M >+It will tell you that you are doing a 3rd party boot.  The secondary devicet >+is DVA0 when it asks.l >+J >+This will cause the record in sys$config.dat on the CD to be overridden.+ >+And the floppy driver will not be loaded.b    Moment.=  Your resolve in some way the problem "how to not load floppyt< driver", but not "how to not touch the floppy controller" !!=  When IO to the controller generates something like "internali@ error" bugcheck - may be problematic also with use of the floppy
 from console.d:  The use MAY be possible, but give really little chance...    Regards - Gotfryd   -- :E =====================================================================gF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME'. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:12:20 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> # Subject: Re: disabling floppy drivet3 Message-ID: <nH7U6.1241$fi2.31981@news.cpqcorp.net>y  . Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists wrote in message ...+ >On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Fred Kleinsorge wrote:s >[...]@ >>+> I am confused with the "corrupt sys$config.dat" resolution:B >>+>will be DVA0: checked even if exluded in *supported* manner ?? >fA > See: I look for resolution where can override the AUTOCONFIGURE  >check.n >[...]    F You can boot the CD with NOAUTO set to 1, but I believe that this willH have no effect.  The installation CD has it's own startup procedure thatF loads devices.  NOAUTO (in fact) only prevents one of the standard VMS0 startup procedures from issuing a SYSMAN IO AUTO  H If you can copy the CD to a hard disk on some other system, then you canF modify SYS$CONFIG.DAT to not load the floppy.  You can also use SYSMANE on the booted disk to set a exclusion list to prevent DVA0 from being- loaded.-  > >>+Corrupt was a euphamism for modify so the floppy wont work. >e > Ok.d6 > Regardless of rest your mail is worth as description >of third-party boot :)- > But in the specific example: >[...]% >>+$cre/dir dva0:[000000.sys0.sysexe]  >m> >...you suggest on *other* VAX ? (Herb can NOT use the floppy)  I Well, I think another Alpha ;-)  But a VAX would do.  Any solution to the0 problemtL will require either that he have another system to do some work - or that he simply gets the floppy fixed.u   >[...]H >>+Now, boot the CD, but give it 0,80000 as the boot flags, AND add a ", DVA0" A >>+to the end of the boot command (i.e. B -fl 0,80000 dqa0, dva0)e >>+pG >>+It will tell you that you are doing a 3rd party boot.  The secondaryt device >>+is DVA0 when it asks. >>+ K >>+This will cause the record in sys$config.dat on the CD to be overridden.t, >>+And the floppy driver will not be loaded. > 	 > Moment.e> > Your resolve in some way the problem "how to not load floppy= >driver", but not "how to not touch the floppy controller" !! > > When IO to the controller generates something like "internalA >error" bugcheck - may be problematic also with use of the floppy  >from console.; > The use MAY be possible, but give really little chance...e    J Depends on what the problem is.  Until the runtime driver gets loaded, the floppyK uses very primitive code in the console -- no DMA, nothing fancy.  So it is  entirely: possible that the floppy "may" work well enough to get by.  ( If not.  You only have a couple options:       1) Fix the HW.F     2) Get the system onto a hard drive using another system, and thenG         modify the system (I suggest editing SYS$CONFIG.DAT) to preventl'         the floppy driver from loading.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:27:28 GMT  From: "swank" <swank@swink.com>g( Subject: DOWNLOAD WHATEVER YOU WANT!!!!!; Message-ID: <4U0U6.22348$V5.522020@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>    DOWNLOAD NEW MOVIES!  
 NEW SOFTWARE!    OR WHATEVER YOU FIND!    FREE!!!-   GOTO: www.jows.isbad.net= _____________________________________________________________r= This message posted with trial version of Express News Poster    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 04:14:55 -0400 - From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com>t< Subject: Re: esa12000fc and ema12000 differences/experiences+ Message-ID: <3B20897F.56873E4@peoplepc.com>e   Scott Vieth wrote:F > Can you share more details on how you are monitoring the EMA arrays?G > We have Polycenter Console Manager connected to the console ports on gE > our HSG80s but we're not sure which messages we should be watching n > for.  G I have an esa1200 with hsz80's hooked up to my es40 running tru64 using . console manager in the same way.  I love it.    C With the 100's of rz28, rz29, rz1dd an rz1ed drives we have kickingkD around we will be using the old StorageWorks stuff for a long time. 8 Besides, a used 18GB 10K rpm drive is less than $600 !!!  
 Jack Patteeuww   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:09:04 -0400 > From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>< Subject: RE: esa12000fc and ema12000 differences/experiencesK Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D6DC0FC@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>h   > -----Original Message------ > From: Scott Vieth [mailto:svieth@wi.rr.com] ' > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 9:36 PMy > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: Re: esa12000fc and ema12000 differences/experiences >  > John:i > ? > Can you share more details on how you are monitoring the EMA E > arrays?     E The somewhat short answer is that I use DCL script to use HSZTERM to eE connect to a HSG80 dual redundant controller pair. Once at the HSG80 4D pair, I simply do show commands to see if all the disks are present D and what condition any RAIDset are in (ie: normal or reduced). Once G I have all the status info I want, I parse the output file for various oE things like each disk member in a normal state. (ie: "(member  1) is tC NORMAL")  If I find $status is not equal to true, then I email and  D pageout, and continue checking the rest of the RAIDsets. Then there D is a little file cleanup, and the script is rescheduled.  I use ISE D EnterpriseSCHEDULE in scheduling the scripts to run, such that if a C HSZTERM session gets foobar, the scheduling software will kill off hD the process and email/pageout that the script exceeded it's allowed G runtime. (This only happens as a rarity, and I have it setup such that mG if I accumulate more than 2 fails, then to email/pageout.)  I could see H the same being done without scheduling software, and only with VMS batchF jobs. One batch job to monitor and kill off the other HSZTERM session 
 hung ones.  B I check for given raid member problems on the hour, and check for D change in spareset/failset every other in a separate scripts. (They E could easily be combined into one script, but the scripts on spareset C and failset were written after the main ones, after I saw my Compaq ! Proliant NT guy eyeing my disks.)   G Once I get paged out, I typically login and comment out the section or  B put in a goto label to skip around that section on a raidset in a G reduced state but rebuilding.  I guess the next step would be to add a  K little more DCL script to pageout once on disk fail, and check for raidset oA going normal again and pageout again, or basically do a bit more  J intelligent checking.  I suppose one could not only pageout on disk fail, L but also kick off script to monitor rebuild, and if not done in appropriate L time to page out.  Lots of possibilities to expand on, but my needs have not  J justified the work yet.  The StorageWorks disks have been quite reliable, J as have the HSG80s.  With RAID 0+1 and several spareset disks, and OpenVMSL volume shadowing on top between storage cabinets, it has not been a problem.   >We have? > Polycenter Console Manager connected to the console ports on   > our HSG80s but: > we're not sure which messages we should be watching for. > ( > Please share your DCL scripts with us.  E I have over a dozen dual redundant pairs, so I will not post all the tE scripts.  A portion of a script from my development box, which shouldyA give everyone a good feel what what is being done, is as follows:   
 $ set noon	 $ set verc $!	 $!!! exit  $!; $ purge/keep=72 sys$sysdevice:[itjck01.alaxp3]fibdischk.log  $!, $ set default sys$sysdevice:[itjck01.alaxp3] $! $ time_stamp = f$time()u $! $!) $ set host/scsi/log=hsg80a.log  $1$dga12:l show m12	 show m122c	 show m502n	 show m902e	 show s102@	 show s132r show disks full  show units fullt show this full show other full_ $!B $!================================================================ $! Check HSG80A controller set9 $ search hsg80a.log "the other controller is not running"o $ if $status .eqs. "%X00000001"s $   thenJ $   mail hsg80a.log /subject="ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A controller set" itjck01tC $   rampage itjck01 "ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A controller set at  ''time_stamp'" $ endifo $!B $!================================================================ $! Check M12 mirrorset6 $ search hsg80a.log "DISK10300 (member  0) is NORMAL"  $ if $status .nes. "%X00000001"  $   thenJ $   mail hsg80a.log /subject="ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M12 mirror set, DISK10300" itjck01J $   rampage itjck01 "ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M12 mirror set, member 0 at ''time_stamp'"a $ endifg5 $ search hsg80a.log "DISK20300 (member  1) is NORMAL"w $ if $status .nes. "%X00000001"e $   thenJ $   mail hsg80a.log /subject="ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M12 mirror set, DISK20300" itjck01J $   rampage itjck01 "ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M12 mirror set, member 1 at ''time_stamp'"s $ endiftB $!================================================================ $! Check M122 mirrorsetu6 $ search hsg80a.log "DISK20200 (member  0) is NORMAL"  $ if $status .nes. "%X00000001"w $   thenK $   mail hsg80a.log /subject="ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M122 mirror set,i DISK10200" itjck01K $   rampage itjck01 "ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M122 mirror set, member 0C at ''time_stamp'"7 $ endif16 $ search hsg80a.log "DISK10200 (member  1) is NORMAL"  $ if $status .nes. "%X00000001"  $  thenoJ $  mail hsg80a.log /subject="ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M122 mirror set, DISK20200" itjck01J $  rampage itjck01 "ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M122 mirror set, member 1 at ''time_stamp'"l $ endift $!B $!================================================================ $! Check M502 raidseto6 $ search hsg80a.log "DISK40300 (member  0) is NORMAL"  $ if $status .nes. "%X00000001"m $   thenI $   mail hsg80a.log /subject="ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M502 raid set,e DISK40300" itjck01L $   rampage itjck01 "ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M502 raid set, member 0 at ''time_stamp'" $ endifi $!6 $ search hsg80a.log "DISK50300 (member  1) is NORMAL"  $ if $status .nes. "%X00000001"  $   thenI $   mail hsg80a.log /subject="ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M502 raid set,i DISK50300" itjck01L $   rampage itjck01 "ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M502 raid set, member 1 at ''time_stamp'" $ endifr $!B $!================================================================ $! Check M902 raidsets5 $ search hsg80a.log "DISK10100 (member  0) is NORMAL"i $ if $status .nes. "%X00000001"f $   thenI $   mail hsg80a.log /subject="ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M902 raid set,  DISK10100" itjck01L $   rampage itjck01 "ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M902 raid set, member 0 at ''time_stamp'" $ endif  $!6 $ search hsg80a.log "DISK20100 (member  1) is NORMAL"  $ if $status .nes. "%X00000001"s $   thenI $   mail hsg80a.log /subject="ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M902 raid set,e DISK20100" itjck01L $   rampage itjck01 "ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-M902 raid set, member 1 at ''time_stamp'" $ endifr $!C $!=================================================================i $! Check S102 raidsete6 $ search hsg80a.log "DISK30200 (member  0) is NORMAL"  $ if $status .nes. "%X00000001"  $   thenK $   mail hsg80a.log /subject="ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-S102 stripe set,e DISK30200" itjck01G $   rampage itjck01 "ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-S102 set, member 0 at. ''time_stamp'" $ endif  $!6 $ search hsg80a.log "DISK40200 (member  1) is NORMAL"  $ if $status .nes. "%X00000001"x $   thenD $   mail hsg80a.log /subject="ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-S102 set, DISK40200" itjck01G $   rampage itjck01 "ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-S102 set, member 1 atu ''time_stamp'" $ endifi $!C $!=================================================================i $! Check S132 raidset 6 $ search hsg80a.log "DISK50200 (member  0) is NORMAL"  $ if $status .nes. "%X00000001"A $   thenK $   mail hsg80a.log /subject="ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-S132 stripe set,t DISK50200" itjck01G $   rampage itjck01 "ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-S132 set, member 0 ato ''time_stamp'" $ endifl $!6 $ search hsg80a.log "DISK60200 (member  1) is NORMAL"  $ if $status .nes. "%X00000001"  $   thenD $   mail hsg80a.log /subject="ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-S132 set, DISK60200" itjck01G $   rampage itjck01 "ALAXP3 - Problem with HSG80A-S132 set, member 1 atL ''time_stamp'" $ endift $!   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadwayc Albany, NY  12204  USAt 518-487-3255 John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com   * "I post personal opinion only, and all the* disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my* views in no way represent my employer(s)."   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:28:33 +0200) From: "Salvi Schrijen" <salvi@freeler.nl>a- Subject: How can i set a DLT tapedrive onlines= Message-ID: <9fpt3f$hl8$1@Snowflake_Obsidian.lion-access.net>e  	 Hi there,   @ I was wondering if it is possible to set a DLT tapedrive (with a tapecartridge in), onlinetI For instance if a user process is killed before completing the backupjob,cC the remaining DLT drive will dismount and unload the tapecartridge.pK With True64 on a Alphaserver you can put a unloaded DLT drive online again.   I Is there any "utility" or freeware or trick within OpenVMS to do the samei job??   ( best regards and thanks for any response Salvi Schrijen Libertel-Vodafoneu salvi.schrijen@libertel.nl   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:16:57 GMTu. From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>1 Subject: Re: How can i set a DLT tapedrive online = Message-ID: <df4U6.124031$I5.30271225@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>   E Just guessing, but might you consider doing a "Set MagTape /NoUnload"a= before-hand?  Not sure if that will work if the process dies.f   Just a thought,t Aarone --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/H "It's a funny thing about life. If you refuse to accept anything but the. best, you often get it." (W. Somerset Maugham)    2 Salvi Schrijen <salvi@freeler.nl> wrote in message7 news:9fpt3f$hl8$1@Snowflake_Obsidian.lion-access.net...- > Hi there,- >-B > I was wondering if it is possible to set a DLT tapedrive (with a > tapecartridge in), onlinetK > For instance if a user process is killed before completing the backupjob, E > the remaining DLT drive will dismount and unload the tapecartridge.kF > With True64 on a Alphaserver you can put a unloaded DLT drive online again. >2K > Is there any "utility" or freeware or trick within OpenVMS to do the samej > job??d >b* > best regards and thanks for any response > Salvi Schrijen > Libertel-Vodafonep > salvi.schrijen@libertel.nl >  >d   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:00:54 -0400d# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>e1 Subject: Re: How can i set a DLT tapedrive onlineS+ Message-ID: <3B20DA96.566A2B87@hsc.vcu.edu>t  M It will!!  I use it alll the time, esp. so when my tape drive is THREE BLOCKSp from me.... ;-D    JimR   Alphaman wrote:o  G > Just guessing, but might you consider doing a "Set MagTape /NoUnload"f? > before-hand?  Not sure if that will work if the process dies.y >s > Just a thought,A > Aaron  > --@ > Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html@ > Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/J > "It's a funny thing about life. If you refuse to accept anything but the0 > best, you often get it." (W. Somerset Maugham) >s4 > Salvi Schrijen <salvi@freeler.nl> wrote in message9 > news:9fpt3f$hl8$1@Snowflake_Obsidian.lion-access.net...l
 > > Hi there,l > >bD > > I was wondering if it is possible to set a DLT tapedrive (with a > > tapecartridge in), onlinenM > > For instance if a user process is killed before completing the backupjob,rG > > the remaining DLT drive will dismount and unload the tapecartridge. H > > With True64 on a Alphaserver you can put a unloaded DLT drive online > again. > >cM > > Is there any "utility" or freeware or trick within OpenVMS to do the same=	 > > job??= > >=, > > best regards and thanks for any response > > Salvi Schrijen > > Libertel-VodafoneH > > salvi.schrijen@libertel.nl > >  > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:40:26 -0400=2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)1 Subject: Re: How can i set a DLT tapedrive onlineFL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0806011040270001@user-2ive7su.dialup.mindspring.com>  P In article <3B20DA96.566A2B87@hsc.vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> wrote:  O > It will!!  I use it alll the time, esp. so when my tape drive is THREE BLOCKS> > from me.... ;-Dt >  > Jimu >  > Alphaman wrote:l > I > > Just guessing, but might you consider doing a "Set MagTape /NoUnload" A > > before-hand?  Not sure if that will work if the process dies.   ? Hey!  When did they sneak this in, and why isn't it documented?    -- v Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coml   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:06:29 -0400c# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>V1 Subject: Re: How can i set a DLT tapedrive onlineO+ Message-ID: <3B210615.4845DB57@hsc.vcu.edu>s   Actually, it's  M set (devicename, in this case MAGTAPE is definitely a logical pointing to theM devicename) /nounloadt   or, one cano   MOUNT/NOUNLOAD TAPE:  K the mount/nounload is the incantation i use...  i just have to remember thet )(*&(*^*(& thing..   Robert Deininger wrote:a  R > In article <3B20DA96.566A2B87@hsc.vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> wrote: >.Q > > It will!!  I use it alll the time, esp. so when my tape drive is THREE BLOCKSe > > from me.... ;-Do > >  > > Jim  > >  > > Alphaman wrote:t > >XK > > > Just guessing, but might you consider doing a "Set MagTape /NoUnload"aC > > > before-hand?  Not sure if that will work if the process dies.x >uA > Hey!  When did they sneak this in, and why isn't it documented?a >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:04:07 -0500i0 From: Patrick Spinler <spinler.patrick@mayo.edu>I Subject: Re: How to run TCL Scripts on Open VMS from the DCL Command Line ( Message-ID: <3B20DB57.1F6A7E92@mayo.edu>  E Or here's a trick which I use sometimes when I have to wrap some perlw with fairly complex DCL.  F Background - the various geniuses who ported perl to vms figured out aE two line prefix to perl scripts which allow them to be executed as ifrD they were dcl script.  However, on _rare_ occasion I find to need toH execute some DCL before falling into perl, e.g. redefining lnm$file_dev.  % So, what I do is something like this:t   $n $! (lot's of DCL here) $e
 $ perl - argsv $ deck/dollars=_END_   # lot's o' Perl here   _END_n $ exit $status  8 You should be able to do something similar for TCL code.   -- Pat  C p.s. the perl interpreter also recognises _END_ as a symbol to stop)B processing the script - I'm uncertain if that is required for this technique to work, however.g   Sundaram P wrote:I >  > Hi,r > B > In Unix if you create a Tcl script in a file whose first line is >  > #!/usr/local/bin/tclshN > then you can invoke the script file directly from your shell if you mark the > file as executable.g > N > I want to acheive something similar on OpenVMS using command procedures. Can > somebody please help me ?O > 	 > RegardsE
 > Sundaram   -- o?       This message does not represent the policies or positions_1 	     of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidiaries.o3   Patrick Spinler			email:	Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDU-'   Mayo Foundation			phone:	507/284-94850   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Jun 2001 15:18:48 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>; Subject: Re: Hydro, was (OT) Current Microsoft V DOJ statust- Message-ID: <87g0dbwiav.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ' paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:e  F > Paul, what's happening in WA, but if you keep current with SA stuff,B > you will see that medium business is facing price hikes of 300%.@ > And even though they are supposed to be part of this wonderful6 > market, they can only buy from one "retailer".  Ha!!  D Ah, we are swapping tweedle-dee for tweedle-dumb :) So it is sort of" quiet on that front at the moment.  C But there was a RFT for a consultant study on selling off the powereF grid. The real fun bit was the con-sulter was to ignore efficience andF grid losses in developing a costing model. I fear we will here more of this.C  @ The east grid and its deregulation is interesting. Melbourne had@ severe power shortages, so the SA powerstations said flip-you toF Adelaide and blacked out the city, sending the money to Melb at a hugeA mark-up. What would have been a quiet $75000 couple of hours they0B turned into $3 million. Adelaide? Well, seems there was no binding? requirment for them to send any power across the road... And no % redress to people left without power.o  E Ive thought that the way to make money in these 'market driven' gridsCG is to get in and work to buy and sell to your self so as to destabaliserF the grid, forcing the other players to buy you out, or have their wire and switchyards turn to slag.h  D You would know about that one Paddy, just get the models to give you& the worst case instead of the best. :)   -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 17:12:43 +1000/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> " Subject: lexical minute of the day1 Message-ID: <BS_T6.1411$qJ4.56055@ozemail.com.au>h   In my login.com I use + SET PROMPT="''F$GETDVI("TT","FULLDEVNAM")'"a1 so that I know where I am (figuratively speaking)hI it used to show <node>$<device> but since upgrading to vms7.2-1 and tcpipn 5.1a1 network logins (telnet) show only the device name H while remote logins (decnet) and pseudo terminal logins include the host name.p
 Why is it so?e Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:23:27 GMTi= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)r& Subject: Re: lexical minute of the day0 Message-ID: <009FD36B.FE024889@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <BS_T6.1411$qJ4.56055@ozemail.com.au>, "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> writes:e >In my login.com I use, >SET PROMPT="''F$GETDVI("TT","FULLDEVNAM")'"2 >so that I know where I am (figuratively speaking)J >it used to show <node>$<device> but since upgrading to vms7.2-1 and tcpip >5.12 >network logins (telnet) show only the device nameI >while remote logins (decnet) and pseudo terminal logins include the hostk >name. >Why is it so? >Phill >a >i  , $ SET PROMPT="''F$GETDVI("TT","ALLDEVNAM")'"   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:29:48 +0200: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>& Subject: Re: lexical minute of the dayJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106081157450.15895-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  & On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Phil Howell wrote:   >+In my login.com I usee- >+SET PROMPT="''F$GETDVI("TT","FULLDEVNAM")'"o3 >+so that I know where I am (figuratively speaking) B >+it used to show <node>$<device> but since upgrading to vms7.2-1 A >+and tcpip 5.1 network logins (telnet) show only the device nameeB >+while remote logins (decnet) and pseudo terminal logins include  >+the host name. >+Why is it so?:  A  Don't know. But the additional observation with virtual terminalsD enabled: the virtual terminal name has form alloclass_number$device,4 OP, TT and LT devices still in form nodename$device.,  Will check what work VT with 7.1-2 and UCX.  F BTW: telnet logins are the same as DECNET - interactive remote (exceptD  you force it be "local") logins and has nothing to network login :)   >+Phil    Regards - Gotfryd   -- "E =====================================================================wF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEr. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================2   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 12:36:04 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>& Subject: Re: lexical minute of the dayJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106081230290.15895-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  8 On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:  E >+In article [...], "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> writes:X >+>In my login.com I use. >+>SET PROMPT="''F$GETDVI("TT","FULLDEVNAM")'" [...]M4 >+>network logins (telnet) show only the device name [...]P. >+$ SET PROMPT="''F$GETDVI("TT","ALLDEVNAM")'"  <  Brian, have you really check with VMS 7.2-1 and TCPIP 5.X ? (Brian: 5.1, my: 5.0a)  
  As Phil say:e" $ echo f$getdvi("tt:","allDEVNAM") _TNA13:2    and as have report with VT:" $ echo f$getdvi("tt:","allDEVNAM")
 _$8$VTA11:    For rest of terminals:X$ $ echo f$getdvi("opa0:","allDEVNAM")
 _BUK$OPA0:    Regards - Gotfryd -- tE =====================================================================mF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME". $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:48:22 GMT1= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)=& Subject: Re: lexical minute of the day0 Message-ID: <009FD36F.791DE6DF@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106081230290.15895-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>, "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> writes:a9 >On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:  >bF >>+In article [...], "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> writes: >>+>In my login.com I use5/ >>+>SET PROMPT="''F$GETDVI("TT","FULLDEVNAM")'"" >[...]5 >>+>network logins (telnet) show only the device nameP >[...]/ >>+$ SET PROMPT="''F$GETDVI("TT","ALLDEVNAM")'"  >a= > Brian, have you really check with VMS 7.2-1 and TCPIP 5.X ?e >(Brian: 5.1, my: 5.0a)  >i > As Phil say:# >$ echo f$getdvi("tt:","allDEVNAM")= >_TNA13: >= > and as have report with VT: # >$ echo f$getdvi("tt:","allDEVNAM")r >_$8$VTA11:L >  > For rest of terminals:% >$ echo f$getdvi("opa0:","allDEVNAM")s >_BUK$OPA0:3 >P > Regards - Gotfryd0 >-- F >=====================================================================G >$ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") -h >		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME/ >$!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.pl1F >===================================================================== >0 >a  I Oops!  I forgot that I run a little "hack" to set the NNM bit on my TNA0:0	 device.     I If you set the NNM bit in the UCB$L_DEVCHAR2 field of the template device=I TNA0:, all of the cloned TNA#s will work with the ALLDEVNAM.  I don't de-gJ lieve that there is any TCPIP command that will perform the equivalent bit	 fiddling.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM"             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.p   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 12:40:35 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>3 Subject: Re: lexical minute of the day (correction)0J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106081238470.15895-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  4 On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists wrote: [...]=> >+ Brian, have you really check with VMS 7.2-1 and TCPIP 5.X ? >+(Brian: 5.1, my: 5.0a)  ;  Of course, the reported version is from Phil - not Brian !0  Excuse me all.     Regards - Gotfryd -- "E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME!. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================o   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 07:55:23 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>? Subject: Re: Low level format of SCSI disk, so VMS can read it.)& Message-ID: <GELq0B.3v@spcuna.spc.edu>  . Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:' > Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> writes:8/ >> i'm told later versions vms can handle this.e >n, > Tolerate, with complaints would be nearer.  H   I'm pretty sure that the driver was changed to soft-set the changeableF mode page if it found auto-reallocate set, not to ignore the fact thatG it was set. I'm pretty sure Glenn Everhart did the change while at DEC,e" but I'm not 100% positive of that.  E > If the drive replaces the failed block, you have NO indication thatcF > the data is bogus. If the data can not be recovered and replace, VMSG > marks the block as invalid till it is written to. This is *essential*p > for data integrity.   F   I beg to differ. A drive that auto-reallocates data it can't read isJ not compliant with the SCSI 2 specification. See 9.3.3.6 Read-write error  recovery page:  F   "An automatic write reallocation enabled (AWRE) bit of one indicatesC that the target shall enable automatic reallocation to be performedvF during write operations. The automatic reallocation shall be performedG only if the target has the valid data (e.g. original data in the bufferaD or recovered from the medium). The valid data shall be placed in theD reallocated block. Error reporting as required by the error recoveryG bits (EER, PER, DTE, and DCR) shall be performed only after completion /@ of the reallocation. The reallocation operation shall report anyA failures that occur. See the REASSIGN BLOCKS command (9.2.10) form error procedures.i  J An AWRE bit of zero indicates that the target shall not perform automatic > reallocation of defective data blocks during write operations.  G An automatic read reallocation enabled (ARRE) bit of one indicates thatrG the target shall enable automatic reallocation of defective data blocksiH during read operations. All error recovery actions required by the errorA recovery bits (TB, EER, PER, DTE, and DCR) shall be executed. The A automatic reallocation shall then be performed only if the targetcE successfully recovers the data. The recovered data shall be placed inrH the reallocated block. Error reporting as required by the error recoveryF bits shall be performed only after completion of the reallocation. TheD reallocation process shall present any failures that occur. See the 6 REASSIGN BLOCKS command (9.2.10) for error procedures.  J An ARRE bit of zero indicates that the target shall not perform automatic > reallocation of defective data blocks during read operations."  D   Any implication that standard practice is for drives to throw awayE or lose data if these bits are set should be greeted with the utmost eC skepticism, the same skepticism that should be offered whenever one C hears most of DEC's claims about SCSI issues. Also, I'm almost pos- B itive that VMS never issues partial-sector writes - a write is forC one or more sectors, not fractions thereof. So a write that encoun-oE ters a bad sector by definition *never* cares about the data that waslC in the sector as it is going to be replaced in its entirety anyway. E A read/modify/write is another matter, but as the name implies, there B is a read at the beginning, so we're either talking about read re-B allocation if the sector was bad to begin with, or a write reallo-4 cation with known good data in VMS buffer somewhere.  C   Sure, there are broken implementations out there - but stuff likeiF broken TCQ support is *far* more common, and most of the broken drivesE have either had new firmware available or are older, obsolete models. E Certainly, most vendors would not ship generic drives with these bitst@ set-by-default if they were aware of implementation defects that6 caused those drives to lose data during reallocations.  G   Note that there is a separate, unrelated issue with defect handling -vC the original DEC implementation on SDI controllers complemented the F sector checksum if the block contents were unknown following a reallo-F cation from an uncorrectable read error. This is what sets the "forcedF error flag" when that sector is read, until it is overwritten with new data.0  C   At the time DEC started using SCSI disks, the only way to do this2D in a generic fashion was to use the "WRITE LONG" SCSI command, whichE not all [ancient] drives implemented. So there was a subset of drives E which were known to DEC to work properly with DEC's method of keepingsB track of "good blocks with bad data". This was based *entirely* onB DEC's reasonable plan to re-use the same defect management code asF was used on SDI disks. Certainly there were more generic ways of keep-A ing track of this which didn't rely on a not-always-present drive-G feature, such as keeping a table of these blocks on the disk somewhere.wD [Note that SDI/MSCP maintains a bunch of similar tables, since thoseB disks didn't have special areas for thinks like the SCSI PLIST andB GLIST.] However, as described this has nothing to do with AWRE or B ARRE, but instead support for WRITE LONG (which, by the way, can'tC be probed with a MODE SENSE command - you have to try it and see ifr/ you get a check condition/command reject back).g  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:08:00 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> ? Subject: Re: Low level format of SCSI disk, so VMS can read it.u+ Message-ID: <3B20CE30.6E2434A6@hsc.vcu.edu>   4 Hey Terry, thanks for the info, very enlightening...   Jim.       Terry Kennedy wrote:  K (snipped out a great explanation of why I had to set those dratted bits!!!)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 12:08:20 +00000  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com' Subject: NCP to NCL command equivilants>/ Message-ID: <00256A65.004351A2.00@quegw01.btyp>    cc:e bcc:L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza   NCP to NCL command equivilants    P I have been following the thread regarding Phase IV and Phase V and thought thisM might be useful to some, which either came originally from this newsgroup, ormO DSN [if the formatting goes a bit haywire and makes it unreadable, I'll send it . as a text attachment to those who ask for it];     DESCRIPTION:  4 Phase IV commands                   Phase V commandsK ---------------------------------   --------------------------------------- ? NCP> CONNECT NODE <node-name>       $ SET HOST /MOP <node-name> @ NCP> CONNECT VIA <circuit-name> -   $ SET HOST /MOP /CIRCUIT = -H      PHYSICAL ADDRESS <address>       <circuit-name> ADDRESS = <address>; NCP> COPY KNOWN NODES <parameters>  No conversion availableu< NCP> DISCONNECT LINK                NCL> SHOW NSP PORT * ALLF                                     NCL> DELETE SESSION CONTROL PORT -:                                          SCL$PORT$xxxxxxxxD NCP> LOAD NODE <node-name>          NCL> LOAD MOP CLIENT <node-name>F NCP> LOAD VIA <parameters>          NCL> LOAD MOP CLIENT <node-name> -?                                          CIRCUIT <circuit-name>mJ NCP> LOOP CIRCUIT <circuit-name> -  NCL> LOOP MOP CIRCUIT <circuit-name> -:      PHYSICAL ADDRESS <address>          ADDRESS <address>I                                     NCL> LOOP LOOPBACK APPLICATION NAME -74                                          <node-name>F NCP> SET EXEC NODE <node-name>      NCL> SET NCL DEFAULT ENTITY NODE -4                                          <node-name>F NCP> SET EXEC NODE <node-name>      NCL> SET NCL DEFAULT ENTITY NODE -=      USERNAME xxxx PASSWORD yyyy         node-name"xxxx yyyy" M NCP> SET KNOWN CIRCUITS ALL         NCL> @SYS$MANAGER:NET$ROUTING_STARTUP.NCLfL NCP> SET KNOWN LINES ALL            NCL> @SYS$MANAGER:NET$CSMACD_STARTUP.NCL; NCP> SET KNOWN NODES ALL            No conversion availabler( NCP> SET KNOWN OBJECTS ALL          NCL>( @SYS$MANAGER:NET$APPLICATION_STARTUP.NCL; NCP> SET KNOWN PROXIES ALL          No conversion available B NCP> SET LINE <line-name>           NCL> DISABLE CSMA-CD STATION -7      STATE OFF                           <circuit-name>eA NCP> SET LINE <line-name>           NCL> ENABLE CSMA-CD STATION -C7      STATE ON                            <circuit-name>lJ NCP> SET MODULE CONFIGURATOR        NCL> SHOW MOP CIRCUIT <circuit-name> -@      <parameters>                        STATION * ALL ATTRIBUTE? NCP> SHOW CIRCUIT <circuit-name>    NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT -u;      CHARACTERISTICS                     <circuit-name> ALL ?         adjacencies                 NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT -rC                                          <circuit-name> ADJACENCY * ?         counters                    NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT - A                                          <circuit-name> ALL COUNT J         service                     NCL> SHOW MOP CIRCUIT <circuit-name> -,                                          ALL NCP> SHOW EXEC CHARACTERISTICS=         address                     NCL> SHOW ALL IDENTIFIERS H         on/off                      NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL ALL STATUSC         DECnet account, proxy       NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL ALL - 8                                          CHARACTERISTICSI         Type                        NCL> SHOW ROUTING ALL CHARACTERISTICSg<         Version                     NCL> SHOW IMPLEMENTATION?         max broadcast nonrouters    NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT -2;                                          <circuit-name> ALLoJ         max hops/visits/cost        NCL> SHOW ROUTING ALL    !routers onlyC NCP> SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS            NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT * ALL"@ NCP> SHOW KNOWN DTE                 NCL> SHOW X25 PROTOCOL DTE *3                                          ALL STATUSr@ NCP> SHOW KNOWN DTE -               NCL> SHOW X25 PROTOCOL DTE *7      CHARACTERISTICS                     ALL ATTRIBUTESeI NCP> SHOW KNOWN LINE COUNT          NCL> SHOW CSMA-CD STATION * ALL COUNT-H NCP> SHOW KNOWN LINKS               NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL PORT * ALLI NCP> SHOW KNOWN LOGGING             NCL> SHOW EVENT DISPATCHER OUTBOUND -l5                                          STREAM * ALLS? NCP> SHOW KNOWN NODES               NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT - C                                          <circuit-name> ADJACENCY *II NCP> SHOW KNOWN OBJECTS             NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL APPLICATION /                                          * NAMEe= NCP> SHOW LINE <line-name> CHAR     NCL> SHOW CSMA-CD STATIONt;                                          <station-name> ALL H NCP> SHOW NODE <node-name>          $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECNET_REGISTER.EXEJ                                     DECNET_REGISTER> SHOW NODE <node-name>H         load file                   NCL> SHOW MOP CLIENT <node-name> ALLK NCP> SHOW OBJECT <object-name>      NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL APPLICATION - :      CHARACTERISTICS                     <object-name> ALLD NCP> TELL <node-name> [commands]    NCL> SET NCL DEFAULT ENTITY NODE4                                          <node-name>3                                     NCL> [commands]0D NCP> TRIGGER NODE <node-name>       NCL> BOOT MOP CLIENT <node-name>= NCP> ZERO <paremeters>              No conversation availableE       Steve Spires     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beL confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has beenP addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this transmission.  L Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notH intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisF transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.  
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 12:02:26 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)t+ Subject: Re: NCP to NCL command equivilantst0 Message-ID: <009FD379.D1FCE7B4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  R In article <00256A65.004351A2.00@quegw01.btyp>, Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com writes: >cc: >bcc:MM >Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazal >= >NCP to NCL command equivilants= >= >=Q >I have been following the thread regarding Phase IV and Phase V and thought this0N >might be useful to some, which either came originally from this newsgroup, orP >DSN [if the formatting goes a bit haywire and makes it unreadable, I'll send it/ >as a text attachment to those who ask for it];  >u >0
 >DESCRIPTION:k >e5 >Phase IV commands                   Phase V commandslL >---------------------------------   ---------------------------------------@ >NCP> CONNECT NODE <node-name>       $ SET HOST /MOP <node-name>A >NCP> CONNECT VIA <circuit-name> -   $ SET HOST /MOP /CIRCUIT = -"I >     PHYSICAL ADDRESS <address>       <circuit-name> ADDRESS = <address>P< >NCP> COPY KNOWN NODES <parameters>  No conversion available= >NCP> DISCONNECT LINK                NCL> SHOW NSP PORT * ALL:G >                                    NCL> DELETE SESSION CONTROL PORT -s; >                                         SCL$PORT$xxxxxxxxrE >NCP> LOAD NODE <node-name>          NCL> LOAD MOP CLIENT <node-name>=G >NCP> LOAD VIA <parameters>          NCL> LOAD MOP CLIENT <node-name> -E@ >                                         CIRCUIT <circuit-name>K >NCP> LOOP CIRCUIT <circuit-name> -  NCL> LOOP MOP CIRCUIT <circuit-name> -=; >     PHYSICAL ADDRESS <address>          ADDRESS <address> J >                                    NCL> LOOP LOOPBACK APPLICATION NAME -5 >                                         <node-name>dG >NCP> SET EXEC NODE <node-name>      NCL> SET NCL DEFAULT ENTITY NODE -L5 >                                         <node-name>,G >NCP> SET EXEC NODE <node-name>      NCL> SET NCL DEFAULT ENTITY NODE -8> >     USERNAME xxxx PASSWORD yyyy         node-name"xxxx yyyy"N >NCP> SET KNOWN CIRCUITS ALL         NCL> @SYS$MANAGER:NET$ROUTING_STARTUP.NCLM >NCP> SET KNOWN LINES ALL            NCL> @SYS$MANAGER:NET$CSMACD_STARTUP.NCL < >NCP> SET KNOWN NODES ALL            No conversion available) >NCP> SET KNOWN OBJECTS ALL          NCL> ) >@SYS$MANAGER:NET$APPLICATION_STARTUP.NCL-< >NCP> SET KNOWN PROXIES ALL          No conversion availableC >NCP> SET LINE <line-name>           NCL> DISABLE CSMA-CD STATION - 8 >     STATE OFF                           <circuit-name>B >NCP> SET LINE <line-name>           NCL> ENABLE CSMA-CD STATION -8 >     STATE ON                            <circuit-name>K >NCP> SET MODULE CONFIGURATOR        NCL> SHOW MOP CIRCUIT <circuit-name> -OA >     <parameters>                        STATION * ALL ATTRIBUTEh@ >NCP> SHOW CIRCUIT <circuit-name>    NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT -< >     CHARACTERISTICS                     <circuit-name> ALL@ >        adjacencies                 NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT -D >                                         <circuit-name> ADJACENCY *@ >        counters                    NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT -B >                                         <circuit-name> ALL COUNTK >        service                     NCL> SHOW MOP CIRCUIT <circuit-name> -t- >                                         ALLc >NCP> SHOW EXEC CHARACTERISTICS(> >        address                     NCL> SHOW ALL IDENTIFIERSI >        on/off                      NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL ALL STATUS-D >        DECnet account, proxy       NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL ALL -9 >                                         CHARACTERISTICS:J >        Type                        NCL> SHOW ROUTING ALL CHARACTERISTICS= >        Version                     NCL> SHOW IMPLEMENTATION @ >        max broadcast nonrouters    NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT -< >                                         <circuit-name> ALLK >        max hops/visits/cost        NCL> SHOW ROUTING ALL    !routers onlyeD >NCP> SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS            NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT * ALLA >NCP> SHOW KNOWN DTE                 NCL> SHOW X25 PROTOCOL DTE *I4 >                                         ALL STATUSA >NCP> SHOW KNOWN DTE -               NCL> SHOW X25 PROTOCOL DTE *=8 >     CHARACTERISTICS                     ALL ATTRIBUTESJ >NCP> SHOW KNOWN LINE COUNT          NCL> SHOW CSMA-CD STATION * ALL COUNTI >NCP> SHOW KNOWN LINKS               NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL PORT * ALL J >NCP> SHOW KNOWN LOGGING             NCL> SHOW EVENT DISPATCHER OUTBOUND -6 >                                         STREAM * ALL@ >NCP> SHOW KNOWN NODES               NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT -D >                                         <circuit-name> ADJACENCY *J >NCP> SHOW KNOWN OBJECTS             NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL APPLICATION0 >                                         * NAME> >NCP> SHOW LINE <line-name> CHAR     NCL> SHOW CSMA-CD STATION< >                                         <station-name> ALLI >NCP> SHOW NODE <node-name>          $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECNET_REGISTER.EXEaK >                                    DECNET_REGISTER> SHOW NODE <node-name> I >        load file                   NCL> SHOW MOP CLIENT <node-name> ALLoL >NCP> SHOW OBJECT <object-name>      NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL APPLICATION -; >     CHARACTERISTICS                     <object-name> ALLSE >NCP> TELL <node-name> [commands]    NCL> SET NCL DEFAULT ENTITY NODEe5 >                                         <node-name>e4 >                                    NCL> [commands]E >NCP> TRIGGER NODE <node-name>       NCL> BOOT MOP CLIENT <node-name>r> >NCP> ZERO <paremeters>              No conversation available >n  : I nominate this post for inclusion into the OpenVMS FAQ!     PS.pI Thanks to Steve's posting, I would hope that others will see that the NCLeF command syntax is not all that difficult or verbose... just different.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa            tO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 08:16:33 -0400e( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>+ Subject: Re: NCP to NCL command equivilants(+ Message-ID: <3B20C220.20BC3BE5@bigfoot.com>s  2 I second the motion. All those in favor say "aye".   HM  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  T > In article <00256A65.004351A2.00@quegw01.btyp>, Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com writes: > >cc: > >bcc:oO > >Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazav > >h! > >NCP to NCL command equivilants  > >d > > S > >I have been following the thread regarding Phase IV and Phase V and thought thisbP > >might be useful to some, which either came originally from this newsgroup, orR > >DSN [if the formatting goes a bit haywire and makes it unreadable, I'll send it1 > >as a text attachment to those who ask for it];  > >t > >r > >DESCRIPTION:f > >u7 > >Phase IV commands                   Phase V commandsaN > >---------------------------------   ---------------------------------------B > >NCP> CONNECT NODE <node-name>       $ SET HOST /MOP <node-name>C > >NCP> CONNECT VIA <circuit-name> -   $ SET HOST /MOP /CIRCUIT = -eK > >     PHYSICAL ADDRESS <address>       <circuit-name> ADDRESS = <address>s> > >NCP> COPY KNOWN NODES <parameters>  No conversion available? > >NCP> DISCONNECT LINK                NCL> SHOW NSP PORT * ALLaI > >                                    NCL> DELETE SESSION CONTROL PORT -a= > >                                         SCL$PORT$xxxxxxxxrG > >NCP> LOAD NODE <node-name>          NCL> LOAD MOP CLIENT <node-name>iI > >NCP> LOAD VIA <parameters>          NCL> LOAD MOP CLIENT <node-name> -rB > >                                         CIRCUIT <circuit-name>M > >NCP> LOOP CIRCUIT <circuit-name> -  NCL> LOOP MOP CIRCUIT <circuit-name> -r= > >     PHYSICAL ADDRESS <address>          ADDRESS <address>pL > >                                    NCL> LOOP LOOPBACK APPLICATION NAME -7 > >                                         <node-name>iI > >NCP> SET EXEC NODE <node-name>      NCL> SET NCL DEFAULT ENTITY NODE -f7 > >                                         <node-name>aI > >NCP> SET EXEC NODE <node-name>      NCL> SET NCL DEFAULT ENTITY NODE -s@ > >     USERNAME xxxx PASSWORD yyyy         node-name"xxxx yyyy"P > >NCP> SET KNOWN CIRCUITS ALL         NCL> @SYS$MANAGER:NET$ROUTING_STARTUP.NCLO > >NCP> SET KNOWN LINES ALL            NCL> @SYS$MANAGER:NET$CSMACD_STARTUP.NCL > > >NCP> SET KNOWN NODES ALL            No conversion available+ > >NCP> SET KNOWN OBJECTS ALL          NCL> + > >@SYS$MANAGER:NET$APPLICATION_STARTUP.NCLI> > >NCP> SET KNOWN PROXIES ALL          No conversion availableE > >NCP> SET LINE <line-name>           NCL> DISABLE CSMA-CD STATION -e: > >     STATE OFF                           <circuit-name>D > >NCP> SET LINE <line-name>           NCL> ENABLE CSMA-CD STATION -: > >     STATE ON                            <circuit-name>M > >NCP> SET MODULE CONFIGURATOR        NCL> SHOW MOP CIRCUIT <circuit-name> -.C > >     <parameters>                        STATION * ALL ATTRIBUTEhB > >NCP> SHOW CIRCUIT <circuit-name>    NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT -> > >     CHARACTERISTICS                     <circuit-name> ALLB > >        adjacencies                 NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT -F > >                                         <circuit-name> ADJACENCY *B > >        counters                    NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT -D > >                                         <circuit-name> ALL COUNTM > >        service                     NCL> SHOW MOP CIRCUIT <circuit-name> -o/ > >                                         ALL ! > >NCP> SHOW EXEC CHARACTERISTICS @ > >        address                     NCL> SHOW ALL IDENTIFIERSK > >        on/off                      NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL ALL STATUS F > >        DECnet account, proxy       NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL ALL -; > >                                         CHARACTERISTICS L > >        Type                        NCL> SHOW ROUTING ALL CHARACTERISTICS? > >        Version                     NCL> SHOW IMPLEMENTATIONsB > >        max broadcast nonrouters    NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT -> > >                                         <circuit-name> ALLM > >        max hops/visits/cost        NCL> SHOW ROUTING ALL    !routers only0F > >NCP> SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS            NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT * ALLC > >NCP> SHOW KNOWN DTE                 NCL> SHOW X25 PROTOCOL DTE *s6 > >                                         ALL STATUSC > >NCP> SHOW KNOWN DTE -               NCL> SHOW X25 PROTOCOL DTE * : > >     CHARACTERISTICS                     ALL ATTRIBUTESL > >NCP> SHOW KNOWN LINE COUNT          NCL> SHOW CSMA-CD STATION * ALL COUNTK > >NCP> SHOW KNOWN LINKS               NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL PORT * ALL L > >NCP> SHOW KNOWN LOGGING             NCL> SHOW EVENT DISPATCHER OUTBOUND -8 > >                                         STREAM * ALLB > >NCP> SHOW KNOWN NODES               NCL> SHOW ROUTING CIRCUIT -F > >                                         <circuit-name> ADJACENCY *L > >NCP> SHOW KNOWN OBJECTS             NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL APPLICATION2 > >                                         * NAME@ > >NCP> SHOW LINE <line-name> CHAR     NCL> SHOW CSMA-CD STATION> > >                                         <station-name> ALLK > >NCP> SHOW NODE <node-name>          $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECNET_REGISTER.EXEAM > >                                    DECNET_REGISTER> SHOW NODE <node-name>EK > >        load file                   NCL> SHOW MOP CLIENT <node-name> ALLaN > >NCP> SHOW OBJECT <object-name>      NCL> SHOW SESSION CONTROL APPLICATION -= > >     CHARACTERISTICS                     <object-name> ALL G > >NCP> TELL <node-name> [commands]    NCL> SET NCL DEFAULT ENTITY NODE 7 > >                                         <node-name>>6 > >                                    NCL> [commands]G > >NCP> TRIGGER NODE <node-name>       NCL> BOOT MOP CLIENT <node-name>T@ > >NCP> ZERO <paremeters>              No conversation available > >E >M: > I nominate this post for inclusion into the OpenVMS FAQ! >O > PS.UK > Thanks to Steve's posting, I would hope that others will see that the NCLNH > command syntax is not all that difficult or verbose... just different. >D > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMS >NQ > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 12:54:50 GMTI. From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com>+ Subject: Re: NCP to NCL command equivilants = Message-ID: <uW3U6.124029$I5.30259383@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>   3 Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> wrote in messageR% news:3B20C220.20BC3BE5@bigfoot.com...u4 > I second the motion. All those in favor say "aye". >I > HM >A( > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:< > > I nominate this post for inclusion into the OpenVMS FAQ!  L Yeah, like when you write "say", do you mean we should all vocalize "aye" inJ the privacy of our cubicles, or each create an individual post in response: to this message until Hoff buckles under the pressure? :^)  @ Aaron (who just said "aye" to himself.  hope no one's listening) --> Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html> Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/H "It's a funny thing about life. If you refuse to accept anything but the. best, you often get it." (W. Somerset Maugham)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:13:04 -0400c( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>+ Subject: Re: NCP to NCL command equivilants + Message-ID: <3B20CF60.118013CB@bigfoot.com>   L In a medium such as this, I would think "say" would always be regarded as anN action to post.  However if you do take it to mean vocalization, I will not beN held responsible for your having to explain to your boss just who it is you'reG talking to when you start blurting out sounds with no one else present.nO Further, now that you've spoiled it by actually mentioning Mr. Hoffman by name,OI alas, I fear it won't have the desired effect of creating that unseen put % palpable onus of duty for him to act.>   HM   Alphaman wrote:   5 > Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> wrote in message ' > news:3B20C220.20BC3BE5@bigfoot.com...S6 > > I second the motion. All those in favor say "aye". > >  > > HM > >S* > > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:> > > > I nominate this post for inclusion into the OpenVMS FAQ! >ON > Yeah, like when you write "say", do you mean we should all vocalize "aye" inL > the privacy of our cubicles, or each create an individual post in response< > to this message until Hoff buckles under the pressure? :^) > B > Aaron (who just said "aye" to himself.  hope no one's listening) > --@ > Aaron Sakovich  http://members.home.net/sakovich/alphaman.html@ > Make April 15 just another day:        http://www.fairtax.org/J > "It's a funny thing about life. If you refuse to accept anything but the0 > best, you often get it." (W. Somerset Maugham)   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 09:34:31 -0500 3 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)E+ Subject: Re: NCP to NCL command equivilantsn3 Message-ID: <LTxnxrGUhToa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   = In article <uW3U6.124029$I5.30259383@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>,L0 "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com> writes:5 > Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> wrote in messageo' > news:3B20C220.20BC3BE5@bigfoot.com... 5 >> I second the motion. All those in favor say "aye".  >> >> HM  >>) >> "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: = >> > I nominate this post for inclusion into the OpenVMS FAQ!  >fN > Yeah, like when you write "say", do you mean we should all vocalize "aye" inL > the privacy of our cubicles, or each create an individual post in response< > to this message until Hoff buckles under the pressure? :^) >cB > Aaron (who just said "aye" to himself.  hope no one's listening)  I While Hoff frequently reads this newsgroup, there is no guarantee that hei" has seen this or any other thread.  G There are procedures to get things put into the FAQ in one of the first  sections of it.s  G Of course, I doubt that Hoff would want to receive a few hundred copies0 of that chart.   -Johny wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only,   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 14:30:51 GMT9& From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com>
 Subject: NYSE5? Message-ID: <vk5U6.432190$fs3.68102873@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>c  K Anybody know what kind of computer system the New York Stock Exchange uses?rK All trading has been halted due to a "computer glitch".  Of course that coui ld mean almost anything.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 10:24:34 -0700 $ From: svieth@wi.rr.com (Scott Vieth) Subject: Re: NYSEt= Message-ID: <5a85bce2.0106080924.3bb3556f@posting.google.com>s  m "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message news:<vk5U6.432190$fs3.68102873@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>... M > Anybody know what kind of computer system the New York Stock Exchange uses?-M > All trading has been halted due to a "computer glitch".  Of course that cou< > ld mean almost anything.  A I was thinking exactly the same thing this morning when I saw theD4 news.  I hope the problem was not with a VMS system.  D One of the four exchanges in Chicago runs on VMS.  I know one of theB other ones in Chi-town(CBOT?) made a big deal out of the fact that they're running the show on NT.E   -Scott   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 06:58:47 -0600x From: yyyc186@mindspring.com. Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX moving to CD-ROM kits; Message-ID: <3b20cc13$3$lllp186$mr2ice@nntp.mindspring.com>d  J In <B7221092416582ED.61B7ED62B6D2D194.7A615B6D124FBF49@lp.airnews.net>, on 06/05/2001 R;    at 07:23 PM, Rodman S. Regier <rsr@hfx.andara.com> said:=   I have a box with some    F >On Fri, 01 Jun 2001 22:53:40 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff >Hoffman) wrote:    K >>  I do know that OpenVMS VAX release distribution kits after OpenVMS VAX  M >>  V7.3 are expected to be available only on CD-ROM media, as we are simply  N >>  unable to acquire the necessary TK50 cartridge media for the distribution 	 >>  kits.C  H >I'll bet there are a million+ old TK50-K cartridges just gathering dust0 >on shelves.  Time to put out a call :-) :-) :-)   -- S; -----------------------------------------------------------  yyyc186@mindspring.com; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:20:48 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>N$ Subject: Re: problem with Decwindows3 Message-ID: <iP7U6.1242$fi2.31797@news.cpqcorp.net>   G We are in the process of debugging this right now.  This ONLY occurs onuH systems that have been UPGRADED from a previous version of VMS.  A cleanG installs of V7.2-1 work fine, the driver from both the upgrade, and theOK clean install are the same.  For some unknown reason, the SCB vector is notm- getting written during driver initialization.R  # So far, only 4100's have seen this.e    : Koloth wrote in message <3B207B10.BCEE7953@tmisnet.com>...L >Are there any errors showing up in the error log like unexpected interrupts or" >bug checks with a buc check of 0? > K >We are experiencing some problems with 4100s.  When we start up Decwindows  theN  >error formater ERRFMT goes wildK >because it is logging thousands of errors.  It would be helpful to know ife( >anyone else experienced this problem on >Alphas other than 4100. >  >Regards >  >Cass Witkowski  >c   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:13:21 -0700L! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com>/N Subject: Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation+ Message-ID: <3B207B10.BCEE7953@tmisnet.com>L  N Are there any errors showing up in the error log like unexpected interrupts or! bug checks with a buc check of 0?U  N We are experiencing some problems with 4100s.  When we start up Decwindows the error formater ERRFMT goes wildnJ because it is logging thousands of errors.  It would be helpful to know if' anyone else experienced this problem onp Alphas other than 4100.    RegardsG   Cass Witkowski   Zeni Schleter wrote:  K > After applying the patchand rebooting, my Decwindows is not starting - no M > logon screen.  The disk was very fragmented and gave one problem during the L > patch about APB.EXE being fragmented.  I followed the instructions and theM > reboot was successful but the Decwindows interface has not worked since.  ILJ > have defragmented the disk and rebooted.  No difference.  I have checkedE > sysgen parameter, windows, and it is set correctly.  I followed theOM > suggestions in the FAQs as I thought applicable.  I have applied the latest I > Motif 1.2-6 and rebooted.  No difference.  I have finally reapplied theNI > VMS721_update-v0200 and rebooted.  No apparent difference.  There is nouK > output in the Decw$server_0_error.log.  There is a  DECW$SERVER_0 processCH > but no Decw$loginout.  The last time I tried @sys$startup;decw$startupM > RESTART the process hung and on the Display I noticed a "black"  X over the M > F2-screen's writing which does move with the mouse.  The Control-F2 used to$K > toggle and now it doesn't so I don't think I have improved the situation.C >_I > Has anyone else seen this happen?  The alphastation is a DEC3000 model.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:36:03 -0400' From: "Zeni Schleter" <zzb@y12.doe.gov> N Subject: Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation, Message-ID: <9fqkcl$lk3$1@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov>  L In my case with the DEC 3100, there are no errors but then DECWindows is notH starting, either.  We do have one 4100 at v7.2-1 but we have not appliedK the -v0200 patch.  We have applied many of the patches individually but notr  the composite.  We are seeing no such activity on that system.h  . "Koloth" <koloth@tmisnet.com> wrote in message% news:3B207B10.BCEE7953@tmisnet.com...aB > Are there any errors showing up in the error log like unexpected
 interrupts or # > bug checks with a buc check of 0?o >uL > We are experiencing some problems with 4100s.  When we start up Decwindows thee! > error formater ERRFMT goes wildrL > because it is logging thousands of errors.  It would be helpful to know if) > anyone else experienced this problem oni > Alphas other than 4100.R >N	 > Regardso >n > Cass Witkowski >g > Zeni Schleter wrote: >gJ > > After applying the patchand rebooting, my Decwindows is not starting - noK > > logon screen.  The disk was very fragmented and gave one problem during1 the>J > > patch about APB.EXE being fragmented.  I followed the instructions and the-L > > reboot was successful but the Decwindows interface has not worked since. InL > > have defragmented the disk and rebooted.  No difference.  I have checkedG > > sysgen parameter, windows, and it is set correctly.  I followed thehH > > suggestions in the FAQs as I thought applicable.  I have applied the latestK > > Motif 1.2-6 and rebooted.  No difference.  I have finally reapplied theeK > > VMS721_update-v0200 and rebooted.  No apparent difference.  There is no E > > output in the Decw$server_0_error.log.  There is a  DECW$SERVER_0- process-J > > but no Decw$loginout.  The last time I tried @sys$startup;decw$startupK > > RESTART the process hung and on the Display I noticed a "black"  X overM theIL > > F2-screen's writing which does move with the mouse.  The Control-F2 used toB > > toggle and now it doesn't so I don't think I have improved the
 situation. > >NK > > Has anyone else seen this happen?  The alphastation is a DEC3000 model.  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:26:15 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>nN Subject: Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation3 Message-ID: <pU7U6.1243$fi2.32064@news.cpqcorp.net>   @                                          DO NOT APPLY THE PATCH.  I A review of the patch shows that a number of files are being put into the L WRONG directories.  The folks who put the kits together are revising the kit as-we-speak.   As to:   >> > I have applied the latestL >> > Motif 1.2-6 and rebooted.  No difference.  I have finally reapplied theL >> > VMS721_update-v0200 and rebooted.  No apparent difference.  There is noF >> > output in the Decw$server_0_error.log.  There is a  DECW$SERVER_0 processLK >> > but no Decw$loginout.  The last time I tried @sys$startup;decw$startup L >> > RESTART the process hung and on the Display I noticed a "black"  X over theRH >> > F2-screen's writing which does move with the mouse.  The Control-F2 used toMC >> > toggle and now it doesn't so I don't think I have improved then
 situation. >> >    I On the 3000.  This sounds like a resource problem of some sort.  Have you. done an autogen?   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 07:30:48 GMTE3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)eW Subject: Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation-addendum>0 Message-ID: <9fpuv8$pcf$3@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  V In article <9foov7$sic$1@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov>, "Zeni Schleter" <zzb@y12.doe.gov> writes:
 >I found a >"SYSMAN-NODERR ... "e >"-SECPATH-W-MULTRMS ..." M >message early in the reboot.  It appears right after the STDRV messages.  IfaL >that is the problem then it sounds like rolling back to an early backup andE >reapplying patches is my only recourse.  I will start that tomorrow.R  . To be more specific about what my problem was:  E VMS-engineering has incorporated a fix in VMS 7.3 in order to solve a E problem with Compaq's TCPIP stack. The problem only occurs when there K is no TCPIP license present. This fix for V7.3 was inadvertently introducedHG into the "VMS712_GRAPHICS V4.0" patch (and maybe others?). An immediate M workaround for me was to replace DECW$TRANSPORT_TCPIP.EXE with the one before H the patch (it was still present on the system as an .EXE_OLD). MeanwhileA there is a patch from Process that fixes the problem (UCXDRIVER).y   Regards,    Christoph GartmannL  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 16:22:09 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>) Subject: Re[2]: lexical minute of the dayWJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106081526230.15895-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>    Hello Brian !  8 On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:  D >+[...] "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> writes: [...] 1 >+>>+>SET PROMPT="''F$GETDVI("TT","FULLDEVNAM")'"W [...]L1 >+>>+$ SET PROMPT="''F$GETDVI("TT","ALLDEVNAM")'"U [...] K >+Oops!  I forgot that I run a little "hack" to set the NNM bit on my TNA0:D >+device.    >+K >+If you set the NNM bit in the UCB$L_DEVCHAR2 field of the template deviceu> >+TNA0:, all of the cloned TNA#s will work with the ALLDEVNAM.    Hm...=  Due to SEARCH in SYS$LIBRARY will suspect the NNM bit number ? (DEV$V_NNM) be "9" - I am wrong ? ;) (no, DEV$M_NNM = %X'200'),M with description in:  ? http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/4527/4527pro_043.htmlW NNM is really in DEVCHAR2.    Have set it with SDA:  
 $ ANAL/SYS SDA> sho dev tna0: I/O data structuresE ------------------- - TNA0               [...]        UCB: 80FEF600  [...]L! DEVDEPND2        00023002   [...] *         *** I/O request queue is empty *** SDA> SH [second session - debbuger; commands compared with some VAXman examples]H [---------- WARNING - any experimentator does all on his risk ---------]H [---------- Please be aware with DEPOSIT on production system ---------] ============================ $ mcr sys$share:deltad [...]N [L 1;mE	 00000001 e  00010001:80fef660/00023002 23202 ============================ [the SDA session...] SDA> sho dev tna0: [...]  DEVDEPND2        00023202 [...]f ============================  9  Have check - does NOT work. TNA returns only the devnam.h:  Be aware: WORKS with VT-terminal enabled (returned device8 name is VTAnn:), but NOT if TCPIP$TELNET_VTA is defined  to be false.  =  In desperacy suspecting my fault have check also the addressO; of UCB+138 (80FEF738, probably one field is the "permanent"t7 and the other "volatile" terminal setting) and set both-  to FFFFFFFF (all flag set to 1).  8  Does not work: I am missing something or I are wrong ??=  Have you example on hand ? ;) (for sure: no, but correction 6
 welcome !)  = >+  I don't delieve that there is any TCPIP command that will.' >+ perform the equivalent bit fiddling.C  ;  Personally I may be surprised if any reason to set on TNA   the NNM bit low exists... !B [...]h    Regards - Gotfryd -- :E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEe. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================w   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 15:00:31 GMTi= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)1- Subject: Re: Re[2]: lexical minute of the dayr0 Message-ID: <009FD392.B2BE8E26@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106081526230.15895-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>, "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> writes:3 > Hello Brian !  >l9 >On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:m > E >>+[...] "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> writes:u >[...]2 >>+>>+>SET PROMPT="''F$GETDVI("TT","FULLDEVNAM")'" >[...]2 >>+>>+$ SET PROMPT="''F$GETDVI("TT","ALLDEVNAM")'" >[...]L >>+Oops!  I forgot that I run a little "hack" to set the NNM bit on my TNA0: >>+device.   >>+eL >>+If you set the NNM bit in the UCB$L_DEVCHAR2 field of the template device? >>+TNA0:, all of the cloned TNA#s will work with the ALLDEVNAM.m >b > Hm... > > Due to SEARCH in SYS$LIBRARY will suspect the NNM bit number@ >(DEV$V_NNM) be "9" - I am wrong ? ;) (no, DEV$M_NNM = %X'200'), >with description in: @ >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/4527/4527pro_043.html >NNM is really in DEVCHAR2.e  5 That's what I said and your URL above also says that.    > Have set it with SDA:e >r >$ ANAL/SYS  >SDA> sho dev tna0:a >I/O data structures >-------------------. >TNA0               [...]        UCB: 80FEF600 >[...]" >DEVDEPND2        00023002   [...]+ >        *** I/O request queue is empty ***n >SDA> I >[second session - debbuger; commands compared with some VAXman examples]rI >[---------- WARNING - any experimentator does all on his risk ---------]nI >[---------- Please be aware with DEPOSIT on production system ---------]  >============================y >$ mcr sys$share:delta >[...] >[LI >1;m
 >00000001 ! >00010001:80fef660/00023002 23202  >============================f >[the SDA session...]e >SDA> sho dev tna0:- >[...]  >DEVDEPND2        00023202 [...] >============================g   It's DEVCHAR2 not DEVDEPND2!!!    9 > Does not work: I am missing something or I are wrong ?? > > Have you example on hand ? ;) (for sure: no, but correction  >welcome !)3  < You missed something alright.  You missed setting the bit in the proper UCB field.n     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             hO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.r   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 17:42:53 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>) Subject: Re[2]: lexical minute of the dayoJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106081740350.17542-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  8 On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: [...]   >+It's DEVCHAR2 not DEVDEPND2!!!    Arrrrrrgh !
  Thanks :)    Regards - Gotfryd -- gE =====================================================================.F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:28:47 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>r$ Subject: Re: select() on non-sockets3 Message-ID: <NW7U6.1244$fi2.31804@news.cpqcorp.net>   ' It is on our list of things to enhance.h  H Hoff Hoffman wrote in message <25RT6.1191$fi2.30098@news.cpqcorp.net>...1 >:Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> writes:aG >: You are right. However teh ability to have it working on others than0B >: sockets would help a lot when porting to VMS. I came along manyG >: programs that use select to check input on the XWindows-device.  Are"F >: there any plans at Compaq to enhance this select function?  if yes:& >: what is the expected time-schedule? >w > B >  Input is available now via event flags -- the AddAppInput stuffB >  got listed in the FAQ, since the platform-specific arguments ofD >  the call provide event flags -- and specifically uses event flagsD >  in event flag cluster zero, when last I used this call -- and not >  select masks... >f >e' > ---------------------------- #includeI' <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------CK >      For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com + > --------------------------- pure personal # opinion ---------------------------x0 >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >e >g >.. @ >    m->acpef = EVENT_FLAG;  /* NB: EF must be in EFCluster 0 */% >    retstat = sys$clref( m->acpef );9 >..i. >    m->acpinputid = XtAppAddInput( m->appctx,5 >        m->acpef, m->inpiosb, msx_the_callback, 1 );b" >    if ( !((int) m->acpinputid )) >        return SS$_OPINCOMPL; >.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:14:29 -0500a0 From: Patrick Spinler <spinler.patrick@mayo.edu>  Subject: Software to port to VMS( Message-ID: <3B20DDC5.BE42DC3F@mayo.edu>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: >  > (Porting list) >  > My list starts out with: >   A Bourne Shell clone  C Consider working on the existing port of Bash which I referenced in ( another message earlier on this thread. E http://www.free.lp.se/bash-19990323.txt.  You'll likely have to email@ the author to get it.-  H Another not quite finished project that's worthy of attention is Richard Levitte's port of autoconf.n  = Gnu emacs rev 20 (or even better, the currently beta rev 21).o   -- Pat   -- c?       This message does not represent the policies or positions@1 	     of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidiaries.g3   Patrick Spinler			email:	Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDUh'   Mayo Foundation			phone:	507/284-9485s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:23:25 -0500e1 From: Robert Alan Byer <byer@mail.ourservers.net>r$ Subject: Re: Software to port to VMS3 Message-ID: <3B20A79D.5A791D69@mail.ourservers.net>R   >o > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >s > > (Porting list) > >e > > My list starts out with: > >   A Bourne Shell clone > E > Consider working on the existing port of Bash which I referenced ink) > another message earlier on this thread.iG > http://www.free.lp.se/bash-19990323.txt.  You'll likely have to emailr > the author to get it.i > J > Another not quite finished project that's worthy of attention is Richard > Levitte's port of autoconf.  >b  E While I applaud Richard Levitte's port of Autoconf, it's only version 	 v1.1 and -A it still needs alot of work for OpenVMS as it dosen't always workm propely<F when checking for functions and I had to do alot of hand conversion of; newer autoconfigure scripts wo work with the older version.t  B But it DID help me progress along in my port of GNU GCl, which I'm	 hoping toi% have done hopefully in a month or so.c  C (If anyone knows of anyone that has done any porting of the GNU GMPt library I wouldeF appreciate in knowing as the GNU GCL uses parts of the GNu GMP library and it's givingb me some minor greef)  o -- s  @  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |@  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+@  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |@  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |@  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |@  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Jun 2001 11:03:54 -0500& From: Charles Sebold <sebold@lcms.org>$ Subject: Re: Software to port to VMS, Message-ID: <m3n17jot5h.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>  ( On 17 Sivan 5761, Patrick Spinler wrote:  ? > Gnu emacs rev 20 (or even better, the currently beta rev 21).T  D Hear, hear - but if Brian Schenkenberger is cursing over it, I don'tD know how most comp-sci students are going to fare.  That code can be quite a mess.  *smiles*n --  H Charles Sebold                                       17th of Sivan, 5761>       Systems Specialist, LCMS - Office of Information Systems=         *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***:=         *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***: --G There's nothing easy about life in the Women's Auxiliary Balloon Corps!D  ?  -- Capt. Kevin Darling, "Blackadder Goes Forth: Private Plane"    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 08:14:40 +0200v From: zessin@decus.det Subject: Re: The future of VMS* Message-ID: <009FD37B.8748D048.3@decus.de>   "Mike Kier" wrote:H > You could use Python, which enforces an indentation structure (and has3 > really nice module test capabilities by default).7 >.> > Of course, the only VMS version is a few releases behind :-(   $ pythonM Python 2.1 (V001, Mon May 14 10:34:21 2001) [DECC] on OpenVMS Alpha (T_float)e> Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import vms_lib$ >>> vms_lib.getsyi('SYI$_VERSION',0) (0, 'V6.2-1H3')  >>>a  B I'm working on a distribution, but I can't promise a release date.  N > It might make a good project in and of itself to bring the VMS version up toJ > 2.1 and update the sys module with the newer features of VMS in 7.2/7.3.  K I beleive you're thinking about the 'vms_sys' module. I can't recall I havefK put anything OpenVMS-specific into the 'sys' module except for sys.platformr3 and the contents of sys.path, prefix + exec_prefix. - (prefix + exec_prefix _will_ be used in V2.1)a  D > There's a Python newsgroup at comp.os.python that's pretty active.   comp.lang.python   --
 Uwe Zessin   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:21:14 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>a Subject: Re: The future of VMS, Message-ID: <3B207CEA.8E75CD6D@infopuls.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:e > - > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:p > H > > May I suggest not to define a new PL - there are more than enough toA > > choose from - but instead to decide which one to support. Thee> > > language should be adequate to the quality of VMS' design,G > > architecture and implementation. This would be then the language ofs! > > choice to write apps for VMS.h > H > Like Fortran (for numerical work), Cobol, Pascal, Bliss, or Ada. Hell,F > GEM SCAN and add that back in. The 'one tool fits all' idea makes asD > much sense in the computer room as it does in the workshop. And inH > workshops that care (aircraft), you can be fired for using the C tool. > And rightly so.g >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.6B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.J > Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,$ >   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov  7 SW is completely different than HW tools. A computer is % completely different than e.g. a car.e4 SW is flexible, a computer is not a dedicated thing.  ? There are completely different tasks like system administrationi@ (scripting language), DB maintenance, driver development and app@ development (the list is not exhausting) and it might be best to= use different tools to accomplish these tasks I don't see any < big difference in most apps like browser, web server, spread7 sheet, word processor, graphics package, search engine.t> From what I read there is a demand of that kind of SW for VMS.? And I don't see any advantage in different PLs for that type ofs programming.  > Would you like to provide a few examples why certain PLs excel? on certain tasks within the range of app development (includingm	 servers)?i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:38:37 +0010a% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aun Subject: Re: The future of VMS5 Message-ID: <01K4JARAT7OY0018LI@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>1  ' Picked up from Christoff Brass's reply.1   >Paul Repacholi wrote:H > Like Fortran (for numerical work), Cobol, Pascal, Bliss, or Ada. Hell,F > GEM SCAN and add that back in. The 'one tool fits all' idea makes asD > much sense in the computer room as it does in the workshop. And inH > workshops that care (aircraft), you can be fired for using the C tool. > And rightly so.   H I think that I (again?) agree with Paul here.  However, our environment F may be slightly different.  Our environment is mainly Fortran (number J crunching, and I'm old, or so I'm told).  We employ younger staff for the I whizz-bang GUI stuff written in C et al., that our engineers have really eE little use for  -- but it's conventional to have GUI stuff available.R  K Not only do you employ the program language that fits the requirement, but  J you can employ the programmers to write the programs in the language that  fits the environment.e  K Though I can write in several languages, I probably earn my keep within my -J preferred language and preferred environment.  Number crunching (probably 0 better called numerical analysis :-) in Fortran.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,6
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia-   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  F Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most  people,-; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:11:10 -0400i From: Tym_Stegner@cca-int.comP Subject: re: The future of VMSA Message-ID: <OFA72EB419.0F579F49-ON85256A65.004DC92E@cca-int.com>1   > -----Original Message-----D > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu]  A > So, I now seriously ask what programs people here would like to  > see ported first??  H I recall that Frank ? of the Kermit project mentioning something a whileJ back about needing VMS help in completing the most recent CKERMIT release?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:16:57 -0500,+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>L Subject: RE: The future of VMSL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1F1D@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Christof Brass [mailto:brass@infopuls.com]   > Christopher Smith wrote: >  > [SNIP] > > > > > I'm personally sure that there is and will be only smallE > > > percentage of programmers who are willing to concentrate on the = > > > real interesting programming tasks instead of mastering F > > > unecessary problems of PLs that aren't designed or don't meet up  ; > > How many programmers would rather concentrate on large n > projects vs. small  > > single-purpose applications?  ? > > Which programmers are interested in doing something new vs.S > > re-implementation?  8 > > Which programmers are more likely to want to use an  > available library than# > > to re-write parts on their own?2  & > > It would make an interesting pole.  A > I'm not sure if we understand each other in the last paragraph. A > I agree completely that the alternative questions are also very.B > interesting but I don't see a clear relationship to the "type ofA > programmer" and "type of customer/manager" topic that I stated.A  G Sorry, I was replying to the first part of your previous paragraph thata; talked about the programmers who would use such a language.   < > A small example: memory management in C/C++ is done by the9 > programmer and very often leads to memory problems likeo? > accessing invalid memory regions or memory leaks (Slowaris isn9 > well known for having substantial memory leaks in its C+= > libraries). But most programmers like to write these little+  ? Watch out, you'll get Andrew to contribute to this thread... :)r  @ > memory management statements like alloc, new, free etc.. There9 > are a few programmers who think that what could be done=@ > automatically and in high quality shouldn't be a burden of the
 > programmer.I  E Yes, or another way of looking at it would be:  It's always done by a F programmer, but sometimes by the programmer who's writing the compiler# rather than the one who's using it.   L That's a somewhat important distinction, I think, since people don't tend toJ want to trust the computer to do things for them.  What they don't realizeJ sometimes is that the computer has been instructed by the person who wroteJ the compiler to do these things -- you certainly have to trust that person0 to an extent to even consider using the program.  B > There a few managers of companies that prefer to wait until a SW< > product is really usable instead of getting it as early asA > possible and then having trouble with the bugs. These companies=# > are the target for VMS marketing..  F Did they miss the target, or are there that few of these companies? :)   Regards,   Chris     ! Christopher Smith, Perl DeveloperT Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");: 'l   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:44:34 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>r Subject: Re: The future of VMS3 Message-ID: <B98U6.1248$fi2.32094@news.cpqcorp.net>   9 o Implement a plug-in for Netscape for sound (using MMOV)_< o Port the latest XANIM including getting the codec's ported?    (since they are proprietary, we haven't been able to some uprA    with a side deal to get the source to be able to compile it to-+    create objects that can be distributed).     C Bill Gunshannon wrote in message <9fok9f$ufr$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>...I@ >OK, as the person who started this particular thread, I'm back. >cA >If it's possible to avoid language wars and the usual C and Unix-E >bashing I am going to try an gather real info at this point in time.s >e@ >It looks not only like my plans for sponsoring projects to have@ >students port one or possibly more opensource/freeware programs> >to VMS are going to move ahead, it appears at this point that@ >they will be doing the porting to an Alpha running OpenVMS 7.3. >D@ >So, I now seriously ask what programs people here would like to >see ported first??D >DB >My personal preference is for program under the BSD style license? >rather than the GPL but anything will be considered.  The only ? >other serious consideration is that there must be a reasonable ? >expectation that the program is capable of being ported withineB >a single semester. (I think that pretty much eliminates something
 >like GNOME.)  >a >My list starts out with:d >  A Bourne Shell clone % >  A C-shell clone (most likely tcsh)- >  make  >e= >What particular utilities would other people like to see put,  >on the list for consideration?? > ? >One of the requirements for any of these projects will be good.D >documentation of the porting process with an eye towards developing> >a "Unix to VMS Porting Document" or at least a set of porting >guidelines. >! >billA >r >--!K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves=E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.I >University of Scranton   |L? >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>p   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:27:37 +0200=) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> B Subject: Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS), Message-ID: <3B207E69.5E74F3C0@infopuls.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > Z > In article <3B201AB6.F1C48190@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >>m > >> In article <0XQT6.1188$fi2.30085@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:e > 7 > >> >   One tool I haven't seen: an ODS-5 capable tar.s > >>K > >> I needed one of those last month, so I took the VMSTAR source from thecK > >> Freeware discs and modified it in a couple of hours.  I doubt that youtI > >> can keep students engaged for a full semester on something that onlydI > >> takes me a couple of hours, since VMSTAR is written in C (a languages" > >> I avoid as much as possible). > >  > > Yellow card ;-)) >  > I don't recognize that term.  < Sorry, this is from the world of soccer: if you don't behave; according to the rules the referee will tell by showing youa< either the yellow card (not very bad) or the red card (which? means you have leave the game and your equipe is not allowed tos
 replace you).M  8 > > Bill Gunshannon asked us to stop bashing UNIX and C. > I > Although I might have occasion to criticize C, that was not an example.fF > I stated the fact that I try to avoid C.  Based on that, you were toD > infer that I am not very experienced at it.  Thus, modifications IF > can make in a C program within just a few hours are quite inadequate. > to keep Bill's students busy for a semester.  4 Continue to avoid C and you will safe a lot of time!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:19:55 -0500 0 From: Patrick Spinler <spinler.patrick@mayo.edu>B Subject: Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)( Message-ID: <3B20DF0B.AF80A93B@mayo.edu>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > a > In article <9fok9f$ufr$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:i > E >   I'd be happy to discuss this topic off-line, as I'm familiar withlC >   (parts of) the DII COE work that is going into OpenVMS, and I'ml4 >   familiar with (parts of) the OpenVMS Freeware... >  > :My list starts out with:a > :  A Bourne Shell cloneR' > :  A C-shell clone (most likely tcsh)n	 > :  make  > G >   Various of these are readily available, and extensive work is goingsF >   into these areas here in OpenVMS.  I know about bash and make, and6 >   I'd expect to find a port of csh around somewhere. >   F Hoff - none of the shell ports appear to be on the freeware disk.  CanH these be placed there ?  I just ported the link to the announcement from the author of the bash port.  C Also, here's a thought;  Would it be worthwhile to put up a project E hosting facility to support projects being ported to VMS ?  Something:" along the lines of sourceforge ?    B There have been times when I'd like to make a small bugfix in someG otherwise lightly supported vms freeware package that a project hostinge site might make easier.e   Thanks,p -- Pat   -- s?       This message does not represent the policies or positionst1 	     of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidiaries.t3   Patrick Spinler			email:	Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDUo'   Mayo Foundation			phone:	507/284-9485i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:19:01 -0500n+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>lB Subject: RE: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1F1E@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Christof Brass [mailto:brass@infopuls.com]  ? > BTW, did I mention that UNIX should be avoided because it's ao= > collection of code without any design, structure or system?o   I think you did. :)w   Regards,   Chrise  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developert Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  'R  r   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 16:03:05 GMT-2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)B Subject: Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)3 Message-ID: <ZG6U6.1236$fi2.31804@news.cpqcorp.net>-  o In article <LUi1+fmoiZZE@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:dY :In article <3B201AB6.F1C48190@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:| :> Yellow card ;-))  :m :I don't recognize that term.   C   A term from football, or as the Yanks would call it, soccer.  The C   yellow card represents a warning for any of various (perceived or    actual) transgressions.d  7 :> Bill Gunshannon asked us to stop bashing UNIX and C.D :mH :Although I might have occasion to criticize C, that was not an example.  E   That's why you got a yellow card, and not a red card (an ejection).e     --  I   Getting somewhat back on topic, I have been informed off-line that the pJ   vmstar implementation was an implementaiton of tar for OpenVMS, and not H   a port.  That said, adding ODS-5 support to various existing tools (be5   the tools ports or not) would still be of interest.r  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 17:20:32 GMTt1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)DB Subject: Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS), Message-ID: <9fr1h0$24o1$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  3 In article <0XQT6.1188$fi2.30085@news.cpqcorp.net>,l5  hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:lb |> In article <9fok9f$ufr$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: |> tG |>   I'd be happy to discuss this topic off-line, as I'm familiar with mE |>   (parts of) the DII COE work that is going into OpenVMS, and I'm >5 |>   familiar with (parts of) the OpenVMS Freeware...e  @ I have no problem with taking this offline, I was just trying toD get an idea from the VMS community what they thought was most neededB to start off a a major porting effort.  Within the capabilities ofB the course, I would try and get at least a few done.  Maybe, afterA we develop some sort of porting document, we might be able to add @ larger packages in future classes.  We run 25-30 students a yearB through this course and I am still hoping those numbers will grow.   |> n |> :My list starts out with: |> :  A Bourne Shell clone n( |> :  A C-shell clone (most likely tcsh)
 |> :  make |> 1I |>   Various of these are readily available, and extensive work is going TG |>   into these areas here in OpenVMS.  I know about bash and make, andp7 |>   I'd expect to find a port of csh around somewhere.   ? I'm confused.  If Unix Shells and a Unix make have already beenm@ ported to VMS why is it the first thing that gets mentioned when) this subject comes up??  Where are they??e   |> tG |>   Shells, by the way, can be a lot of work to port, as folks expect iC |>   the tools that are behind the shells will be available, too...   @ That's true, but being as the dreaded "configure" in most of the@ Opensource pacakages is nothing but a shell script it is central> to discovering what it takes to build a package.  That makes aC functional shell scrpit pretty much something you can't do without.r   |> uB |> :One of the requirements for any of these projects will be goodG |> :documentation of the porting process with an eye towards developing A |> :a "Unix to VMS Porting Document" or at least a set of porting  |> :guidelines.t |>  H |>   There is a UNIX OpenVMS Compatibility book available.  AFAIK, it isH |>   either marketing collateral -- perversely, I acquired my copy at a F |>   customer event -- or is part of the Tru64 UNIX documentation set.  C Written by who??  The same guy who wrote the Unix Haters Handbook??pH The ongoing discussions here have pretty much centered on the difficultyF of porting any of the currently available free applications to the VMSE environment.  The primary purpose of my proposed project isn't merelyhF the porting of a few trivial utilities.  The primary purpose is to payF close attention while porting these simple utilities in order to learnE what it takes so that this can be applied to more ambitious projects.tF The general concensus, up til now, has been that this information doesF not exist at this point in time.  If that's wrong, I am sure there are/ a lot of people here who would like to know it.n   |> n3 |>   One tool I haven't seen: an ODS-5 capable tar.m  B Probably a nice utility.  But I would put it low ont he list as itA would really do nothing towards moving any of the large number of: available free apps to VMS.g   |> 08 |>   Another tool that could use an updated port: imake.  @ Now that's probably a good one for high on the list.  Of course,% that assumes you have a working make.l   |>  ' |>   A tool I haven't seen ported: RPM.i  D Considering that no one is packaging VMS software in the RPM format,C what would this buy??  There are already recognized formats for VMSfB installable packages.  What advantage would RPM bring over these??   |> hN |>   Others: any of various tools that were not carried forward from Freeware M |>   V4.0 to Freeware V5.0 -- these tools did not see updates, and I did not  N |>   have room to carry these through given the (large) volume of new FreewareI |>   submissions and updates to existing submissions that I had received.  |> n  G Because at this point it seems that none of the changes for VMS supportlJ ever get rolled back into the base code, every update results in a totallyH new porting project.  I would like to see that change too, but somehow IE don't see it happening anytime soon.  But if clean ports, with an eye H toward maintaining that portability are done, it could make it easier to< fold these changes into future releases of the same package.  F This is a project for the long haul.  I have watched the discussion goF on and on every six months or so.  It is long past time to actually doF something about it.  I can't do much, but maybe I can at least get the
 ball rolling.   F Hoff, feel free to address anything you want to me offline.  I welcome any help I can get.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   -   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 12:20:04 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)# Subject: Re: UAF> create/proxy  ????L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0806011220040001@user-2ive7su.dialup.mindspring.com>  3 In article <ezkuopQ7cfRH@eisner.encompasserve.org>,n: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:   > In articleA <rdeininger-0706012213570001@user-2ive74p.dialup.mindspring.com>,u4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: > 	 > > If I 5% > > $ SET SERVER SECURITY_SERVER/EXIT  > > then AUTHORIZE says: > >  > > UAF> create/proxya< > > %SECSRV-E-SERVERNOTACTIVE, security server is not active > G > While the security server is down, move the old files out of the way. G > Then restart the security server and issue your CREATE/PROXY command.    Doh!  M I somehow confused myself into thinking I needed to stop some _other_ server.P  = After I got some sleep, I was thinking along these lines too.e   Thanks!t   -- c Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:27:06 +0530n, From: Shiv <Sivakumar.Thangavelu@oracle.com>C Subject: Re: Unable to Telnet & Rlogin from Solaris/HPUX to OpenVMSl* Message-ID: <3B20D9B2.4233D6CE@oracle.com>  & --------------40EDAA793184DB55DE98146B* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    Folks,  Q The cause was more likely the TCPIP v 5.0a ECO 2 patch. No isses when upgraded to  ECO 3l   _e Shiv     Shiv wrote:    > Gurus, >rN > I'm unable to connect to our VMS servers running DIGITAL TCP/IP Services forP > OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A - ECO 2 / OpenVMS V7.2-1H1  using Telnet or Rlogin# > over WAN from Solaris/HPUX boxes.  >lN > But Telnet works fine if we connect from WindowsNT/OpenVMS boxes on the same
 > network. >rJ > Also Telnet & Rlogin works fine with servers on the same cluster runningK > DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A - ECO 1 / OpenVMSe' > V7.2-1H1. Could ECO 2 be the culprit?e >l2 > Any help/insights will be greatly appreciated... >  > TIA, > Shiv > 	 > ---*---m >                       ~\\\~, >                      (`O-O')- >     _________.oOo_____( ^ )____oOo.________n. >     \                                      \/ >      \          Sivakumar Thangavelu        \n0 >       \    (Platform Technologies Group)     \0 >       |--------------------------------------|0 >       |      Oracle Corporation, (IDC)       |0 >       |       Oracle Technology Park         |0 >       |       #3, Bannerghatta Road          |0 >       |      Bangalore-560029, India         |0 >       |--------------------------------------|0 >      /  Phone: +91 (80) 552 8335 x 1056      // >     /Email: Sivakumar.Thangavelu@oracle.com /n. >    /____________.oooO___Oooo.______________/ >                 (   )   (   )  >                  \ (     ) / >                   \_)   (_/    -- ---*---s                       ~\\\~t                      (`O-O')+     _________.oOo_____( ^ )____oOo.________ ,     \                                      \-      \          Sivakumar Thangavelu        \a.       \    (Platform Technologies Group)     \.       |--------------------------------------|.       |      Oracle Corporation, (IDC)       |.       |       Oracle Technology Park         |.       |       #3, Bannerghatta Road          |.       |      Bangalore-560029, India         |.       |--------------------------------------|.      /  Phone: +91 (80) 552 8335 x 1056      /-     /Email: Sivakumar.Thangavelu@oracle.com /l,    /____________.oooO___Oooo.______________/                 (   )   (   )                   \ (     ) /                   \_)   (_/o    & --------------40EDAA793184DB55DE98146B) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <tt>Folks,</tt><tt></tt>G <p><tt>The cause was more likely the TCPIP v 5.0a ECO 2 patch. No isses.$ when upgraded to ECO 3</tt><tt></tt>
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)&nbsp;&nbsp; (&nbsp;&nbsp; ) d <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \ (&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ) /Pj <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \_)&nbsp;&nbsp; (_/R <br>&nbsp;</html>-  ( --------------40EDAA793184DB55DE98146B--   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:18:10 -0300:) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br C Subject: Re: Unable to Telnet & Rlogin from Solaris/HPUX to OpenVMS L Message-ID: <OF492B498A.7E961271-ON03256A65.004E53C4@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  > Check the network mask of TCPIP Services running  the command.   Example below:   $ TCPIP SHOW INTERFACE  H Interface   IP_Addr         Network mask          Receive          Send=      MTU  H  WE0        nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn  255.255.255.0         3539348       330183=	 8    1500sH  LO0        127.0.0.1        255.0.0.0                9306          930=	 6       0u  E Check wih the networkin people if the masks and routes are fine too !e   Regardso   FC        = Shiv <Sivakumar.Thangavelu@oracle.com> em 08/06/2001 10:57:06   8 Favor responder a Shiv <Sivakumar.Thangavelu@oracle.com>             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como      C Assunto: Re: Unable to Telnet & Rlogin from Solaris/HPUX to OpenVMSt     Folks,  E The cause was more likely the TCPIP v 5.0a ECO 2 patch. No isses wheni upgraded to ECO 3    _  Shiv     Shiv wrote: Gurus,  H I'm unable to connect to our VMS servers running DIGITAL TCP/IP Service= s- for-H OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A - ECO 2 / OpenVMS V7.2-1H1=A0 using Telnet = or Rlogin! over WAN from Solaris/HPUX boxes.r  H But Telnet works fine if we connect from WindowsNT/OpenVMS boxes on the=   same network.  H Also Telnet & Rlogin works fine with servers on the same cluster runnin= g H DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A - ECO 1 / OpenV= MS% V7.2-1H1. Could ECO 2 be the culprit?E  0 Any help/insights will be greatly appreciated...   TIA, Shiv   ---*---cE =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ~\\\~oD =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (`O-O')1 =A0=A0=A0 _________.oOo_____( ^ )____oOo.________w =A0=A0=A0 \ H =A0=A0=A0=A0 \=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Sivakumar Thangavelu=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 \F =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 \=A0=A0=A0 (Platform Technologies Group)=A0=A0=A0=A0 \8 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |--------------------------------------|J =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Oracle Corporation, (IDC)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 |y: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Oracle Technology Park9 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 #3, Bannerghatta Roado8 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Bangalore-560029, India8 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |--------------------------------------|1 =A0=A0=A0=A0 /=A0 Phone: +91 (80) 552 8335 x 105603 =A0=A0=A0 /Email: Sivakumar.Thangavelu@oracle.com /h0 =A0=A0 /____________.oooO___Oooo.______________/H =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (=A0=A0 )=A0=A0 (=A0=A0 )=  D =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 \ (=A0=A0=A0=A0 ) /A =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 \_)=A0=A0 (_/i   -- ---*---nE =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ~\\\~uD =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (`O-O')1 =A0=A0=A0 _________.oOo_____( ^ )____oOo.________nH =A0=A0=A0 \=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=5 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 \pH =A0=A0=A0=A0 \=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Sivakumar Thangavelu=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 \F =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 \=A0=A0=A0 (Platform Technologies Group)=A0=A0=A0=A0 \8 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |--------------------------------------|J =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Oracle Corporation, (IDC)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 |sJ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Oracle Technology Park=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 |eI =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 #3, Bannerghatta Road=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=g =A0=A0=A0=A0 |H =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Bangalore-560029, India=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 |t8 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |--------------------------------------|B =A0=A0=A0=A0 /=A0 Phone: +91 (80) 552 8335 x 1056=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 /3 =A0=A0=A0 /Email: Sivakumar.Thangavelu@oracle.com />0 =A0=A0 /____________.oooO___Oooo.______________/H =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (=A0=A0 )=A0=A0 (=A0=A0 )=  D =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 \ (=A0=A0=A0=A0 ) /A =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 \_)=A0=A0 (_/a           =o   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 17:46:25 GMTi1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)sC Subject: Re: User sued by DEC, was: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations , Message-ID: <9fr31h$24o1$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  ? In article <991957869.545.1.nnrp-14.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>,e4  "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk> writes: |>  K |> As my old Dad used to say -  a verbal agreement is worth the paper it is  |> written on <g>e  : Mark Twain was your dad!!!  Your older than you look.  :-)   bill   -- cJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   m   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 11:55:30 GMTu) From: mike.price@nospam@littlewoods.co.ukl! Subject: Re: VMS / NT integrationn) Message-ID: <9fqefi$jb$1@news.netmar.com>s  / Not sure about accessing the NT server's queue.uI But NFS and SMB both work fine - although as far as I know the curent VMSa6 version of SMB is not as advanced as the Unix version.  L If you know about NT then getting it all working shouldn't be a problem - my- problem was always getting the NT bit sorted.   L BTW there ais a free book available over the web (start at the VMS portal atE http://www.openvms.compaq.com/portal/) called SOMETHING LIKE 'OPENVMSxI WINDOWSNT INTEGRATION FOR DUMMIES' - you may want to get yourself a copy.s     Mike    O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----uM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsgI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postsrL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:05:15 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra! Subject: Re: VMS / NT integrationdL Message-ID: <OFC2C85AB1.D36FCC21-ON03256A65.00423168@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  F I know Vector Networks there is a product to print from OpenVMS to NT. I've never tested it .....     Click    http://www.vector-networks.com     Regardsc   FC        : mike.price%nospam@littlewoods.co.uk em 08/06/2001 08:55:30  5 Favor responder a mike.price%nospam@littlewoods.co.ukn             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come      ! Assunto: Re: VMS / NT integration     / Not sure about accessing the NT server's queue. I But NFS and SMB both work fine - although as far as I know the curent VMS06 version of SMB is not as advanced as the Unix version.  I If you know about NT then getting it all working shouldn't be a problem -1 my- problem was always getting the NT bit sorted.<  I BTW there ais a free book available over the web (start at the VMS portalL atE http://www.openvms.compaq.com/portal/) called SOMETHING LIKE 'OPENVMSiI WINDOWSNT INTEGRATION FOR DUMMIES' - you may want to get yourself a copy.)     Mike    H  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web ----- F   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postst: made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.netd   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 09:26:00 -0500p3 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)a! Subject: Re: VMS / NT integration 3 Message-ID: <v8D$Ek5vR3PF@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  8 In article <xuYT6.31356$Uo3.1095571@news6.giganews.com>,$ "dpc2" <dpc2@cnmnetwork.com> writes:I > Hello, all.  I am a VMS newbie, thrust into admin role against my will.f  H Welcome, maybe we can convince you that it is not that bad, you may even! find it one of your easier tasks.4  E Please see the OpenVMS FAQ at http://www.openvms.compaq.com for a lot: of supplimentary information.a  L > Today, I installed an lpr que for the first time.  And it actually worked!  C OpenVMS tries very hard to have accurate and current documentation.o  M > Which experience made me wonder if I could create a VMS queue for a printer0 > served by an NT server queue.n  J LPD on Microsoft windows is only marginally compatable with LPR on OpenVMS and possibly other platforms.o  J 1. Some of the NT printer drivers change the margins and other settings ofI    the printer at the beginning of each job in a way that persist through J    power up.  Even when you tell it to send the job in RAW (do not modify)    mode.  K 2. The NT LPD can only handle one file per printjob.  OpenVMS LPR will send     multiple files at a time.  K If your print jobs are always 70 characters wide by 60 lines long, and only_F contain 1 file, then it is not too hard to use LPR on OpenVMS to print to an NT print queue.h  H You may need to set up a device control library module to send an escapeG sequence to the printer to have it treat line-feeds and Carriage-Returnt	 Linefeed.   E PostScript may or may not work better than plain text in this regard.     + > Which also led me to wonder if SMB or NFSB. > type interoperability with NT was available.  H I am not sure of any NFS cabability that is supplied by Microsoft, there are some third party offerings..  K SMB Servers for OpenVMS include Pathworks, now know as Advanced Server, and  SAMBA.  L Advanced Server can be used from OpenVMS to provide external authentication,H remote administration from DCL of Microsoft Windows NT, and a COM remoteD procedure calling interface.  All included with the OpenVMS license.F With file and print licenses purchased, Advanced Server can serve file4 and print shares to a Microsoft network environment.  G SAMBA for OpenVMS is available up to version 2.0.6.  But as it is a GPLo, product, support is entirely up to the user.  D The only SMB client file and print access to NT is through the SAMBA product.    C Sharing printers with Windows NT and other operating systems can be-I problematic.  If you can put the printer on OpenVMS, and use Pathworks toa& serve the printer, it may work better.  J If the printer can be directly accessed from a network through TCP/IP thenJ OpenVMS through one of the TCP/IP products can print to it, possibly using the DCPS product.t  F If you are not using DCPS, then sharing a printer with Windows NT willD usually require that you use a device control library to restore theI settings to the 80 characters wide by 66 lines that most programs seem to5J assume that the printer is set to.  After all, that is usually the factory setting.  8 SAMBA can also serve OpenVMS print queues to Windows NT.   -Johnp wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only<  ! OpenVMS - No spacesuits required.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 14:30:44 GMTM= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e! Subject: Re: VMS / NT integrationW0 Message-ID: <009FD38E.89C6F21D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <v8D$Ek5vR3PF@eisner.encompasserve.org>, malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg) writes:t9 >In article <xuYT6.31356$Uo3.1095571@news6.giganews.com>,v% >"dpc2" <dpc2@cnmnetwork.com> writes: J >> Hello, all.  I am a VMS newbie, thrust into admin role against my will. >nI >Welcome, maybe we can convince you that it is not that bad, you may even<" >find it one of your easier tasks. >pF >Please see the OpenVMS FAQ at http://www.openvms.compaq.com for a lot >of supplimentary information. >sM >> Today, I installed an lpr que for the first time.  And it actually worked!; >sD >OpenVMS tries very hard to have accurate and current documentation. >nN >> Which experience made me wonder if I could create a VMS queue for a printer  >> served by an NT server queue. >tK >LPD on Microsoft windows is only marginally compatable with LPR on OpenVMS  >and possibly other platforms. >nK >1. Some of the NT printer drivers change the margins and other settings ofnJ >   the printer at the beginning of each job in a way that persist throughK >   power up.  Even when you tell it to send the job in RAW (do not modify)>	 >   mode.;  I FYI, I've seen this in action.  My daughter printed some "greeting cards"aH from the PeeCee to my LNC02.  One day I went to print some documentationI to take with me to read (a few pages) and wanted to print it NUMBER_UP=2.rI A Very strange occurance.  The printer formatted the pages to the smaller;H NUMBER_UP=2 type frames but only printed the left frame.  I power cycled" the LNC02 and all was right again.  I A couple of days later I went to do the same thing and the printer hacked>I up the same problem.  Sitting in the output "bin" was server sheets of mysI daughter's same "greeting card".  A little experimentation proved that it H was this "greeting card" format.  The problem does not persist through a1 power-up but it does persist across print jobs.  &  I I now keep the LPD queue in a stopped state and the kids must ask permis-;H sion to print.  This way I know when something is output from the PeeCeeH and I can power-cycle the printer if need be preventing deforestation by% insuring that my jobs print properly.-   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             sO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.v   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Jun 2001 18:24:34 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>;! Subject: Re: VMS / NT integration;H Message-ID: <y4iti7szwd.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ? system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:s  ( > The problem does not persist through a3 > power-up but it does persist across print jobs.  ;  M MS software often insists on violating the rules. One they like to violate is_3 Adobe's admonition not to write to the /systemdict.-   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 16:53:02 GMTs= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)f! Subject: Re: VMS / NT integration;0 Message-ID: <009FD3A2.6AD0DBDE@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <y4iti7szwd.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:@ >system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes: >n) >> The problem does not persist through as4 >> power-up but it does persist across print jobs.   >nN >MS software often insists on violating the rules. One they like to violate is  ! Wow, now there's a revelation! :);    4 >Adobe's admonition not to write to the /systemdict. >s >	Jan;  K When I get a chance, I'll tear apart this Postscript emesis from the PeeCeen and analyze it.n   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.p   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 10:12:40 -0700;% From: kaliushkin@att.net (Dan Kalish)n4 Subject: VMS Installation and set up (from a newbie)= Message-ID: <3053eba9.0106080912.12554966@posting.google.com>n   Hi, all!  = I've had a lot of experience with IBM mainframes and IBM PS/2&F microcomputers, as a programmer, and concerning the latter, hardware, , installation of operating systems, LAN, etc.  H However, I've had almost no experience with DEC products (although I didC some work with a PDP-1 30 years ago) and would like to learn VMS at- home.-  ( How do I go about doing it?  Apparently,  A I could get a PDP-11 but would have to build a neighborhood powernC generator and probably reinforce the floor.  :-)  I could pick up a;* VAXstation on eBay: currently they've got ,  Digital VAXstation 4000/60 Unix Workstation  DEC 3100-M38 SYSTEME  DEC VAX STATION 3100 with Floppy.  (What are the differences betweenbF these three Vaxen?).  I could run the Ersatz-11 emulator on one of the PS/2s, under PC-DOS.  F Once I get such a computer, where do I find VMS?  In fact how do I setG up a VAXstation?  How do I add disk drives, tape backup, floppy drives,s@ and CD-ROM drives?  How about ethernet cards?  Does VMS support  peer-to-peer networking?    Any recommendations?   Thanks in advance,  
 Dan Kalish <kaliushkin@att.net>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:18:53 -0400g2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)) Subject: Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML?tL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0806011118530001@user-2ive7su.dialup.mindspring.com>  
 In articleG <DC4745D1A85CA04180C83CDC706A9D180D967D@cthexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net>,a, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:  	 > Curtis,  > # > Without getting into a rat-hole..3 > E > The person you are dealing with does not have their facts straight.  > G > Definately get the person you are working with to contact BEA product 
 > Management.o    ? Kerry, you seem to have access to some well-hidden information.a  I What's needed here are names of folks at BEA who know something about the.J VMS products.  If you know such, you should just post the contact info, orJ send private email to the folks who are being jerked around.  Subtle hints3 aren't going to do much good in this case, I think.    -- s Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comh   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 17:11:03 +0100L0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>) Subject: Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML?e* Message-ID: <3B20F917.7D0CBEEA@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > J > Actually, the BEA story with OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX is much better these6 > days .. check out the platform support pages on BEA: > 6 > http://www.bea.com/products/messageq/platforms.shtml6 > http://www.bea.com/products/tuxedo/platforms_6.shtml >   4 UMM the question was actually about WebLogic Server  ont tux or messageQ. I  5 WLS 6.0, the current release of WebLogic Server isn't0$ supported on any release of OpenVMS.  ' As you will see from the following URL.=  = http://e-docs.bea.com/wls/platforms/index.html#compaq_openvms_    L > Key is that, contrary to some other OS platform providers, Compaq does notH > offer its own competing product in the middleware space, so it makes a > pretty good fit.  : Given that this question was about WLS and given that the 9 Current release of WLS does not run on OpenVMS this seems(. to be a somewhat illusory point to be making.      regards0 Andrew Harrisonl > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant0 > Compaq Canada Inc. > Professional ServicesA > Voice: 613-592-4660a > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >  > -----Original Message-----0 > From: Kuff@Tessco.Com [mailto:Kuff@Tessco.Com] > Sent: June 6, 2001 5:24 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com_+ > Subject: Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML?0 > L >    A short update... we talked to the local BEA sales office and indicatedK > that we wanted to purchase one or more modules for OpenVMS.  We wanted toAJ > know what modules we would need, how they installed and workd on OpenVMS! > (requirements etc) and pricing.0 > H >    We were rather surpirsed to hear that the best they could say afterJ > four days of conversations with the local sales guy and sales support on* > the West Cost was that it worked on VMS. > F >                      Issue                                  ResponseF >                      -----                                  --------? >    We asked for release notes and install guides         NONErH >    We aksed for pre-sales support for OpenVMS            Still lookingH >    OpenVMS Product/Development Manager                   Still LookingC >    Reference sites                                       Not Surea > H >    One sales fellow said 'how about if we get Compaq to say it runs onE > OpenVMS' our response was 'how about we ask Compaq who your product=5 > manager is since no one at BEA can find him/her'...0 > K >    In summary, BEA seems unable to produce anyone internal that has seen,AI > heard of, or manages the OpenVMS segment. Most disturbing is what woulduL > have happened if we had bought something and needed support.  Not at all a > good sign. >  > In articleF > <A082CBA49B3F9AD6.7F8801D5B676C39C.E983D06FD2941F70@lp.airnews.net>,# > Kuff@Tessco.Com (Hal Kuff) wrote:0 > B > > We have a partner that is implementing Weblogic Server on NT.. > > J > > They wish to send/receive XML files (with the proper serialisation and. > > recovery-delivery assurances) via SSL .... > > I > > Is anyone out there running the middle-ware pieces of BEA/Weblogic ongN > > OpenVMS and exchanging files with another system? Is it compatible in some" > > way with RTR or IBM MessageQ ? > >eH > > Anyone using an XML parser in production... The Compaq freeware one? > > Someone elses?   -- o Andrew Harrisoni Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:34:05 -04003 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com>a) Subject: Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML?u3 Message-ID: <V97U6.1239$fi2.32053@news.cpqcorp.net>v  L I'm the OpenVMS Engineer who's working with BEA to get their WebLogic ServerD (WLS) products ported to and certified on OpenVMS. WLS V5.1 has beenH certified on OpenVMS and we recently provided BEA with some updates thatL make it easier to install and configure WLS V5.1 on OpenVMS. Their WEB pagesK contain the new instructions and downloads for V5.1. I have WLS 6.0 runningsH on an OpenVMS system in my office and I'm working with BEA to port theirG V6.0 certification tests to OpenVMS so they can begin the certificationt process.  K I will forward the concerns raised here to the OpenVMS Relationship Managere- at BEA and will post any responses I receive.p   -- Gaitan D'Antonie Compaq Computer Corporatione   ------------------------------  ! Date: Fri, 08 Jun 01 09:05:40 GMTy From: jmfbahciv@aol.comoF Subject: Re: Who gets blamed for faulty software (was: A New Twist...)+ Message-ID: <9fqdho$mro$7@bob.news.rcn.net>e  3 In article <eI6pjkpEDaSv@eisner.encompasserve.org>,g=    Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:hF >In article <9fnnvl$1t7$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:6 >> In article <aSxPGOAeVPBX@eisner.encompasserve.org>,@ >>    Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:0 >>>In article <9flidf$ag0@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,  mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu  >> (David Mathog) writes:19 >>>> In article <y3NndjnxEqJl@eisner.encompasserve.org>, i> >> Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:J >>>>>In article <9fl2b5$ahc$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: >>>>> B >>>>>> Ptui.  Don't people _test_ their software anymore?  You canB >>>>>> code inspect and design review until the cows come home and >>>>>> still ship crap.t >>>>>VE >>>>>Certainly people test.  In this case, they could have tested fore1 >>>>>54 minutes without encountering the problem.r >>>> nK >>>> Well, that's the surprising thing - it should have shown up on a call   of u >> one >>>> minute and 1 second.w >>>g >>>Whoops, bad math on my part.r >>> F >>>As a previous poster said, you have to choose test cases carefully,# >>>and that means reading the code.p >> LC >> <ahem>  We usually got into trouble when we chose our test casesPH >> carefully. ;-) Knowing the code slants the tests.  There is a feature; >> having people who don't know better play with the stuff.( >n= >Somewhere I said that a variety of approach should be taken.-  ; Yup.  It doesn't hurt to repeat it, ad nauseum, though ;-).O   >tE >But as for choosing test cases carefully, that _must_not_ be done byuE >the _developer_ of the code, since the code was written with certain E >usage patterns in mind and a different mindset is required to designm* >tests that follow _other_ usage patterns.  ; You know, it just occurred to me that having all classes ofR9 users was an advantage of a timesharing operating system.o  < <wham>  Another obvious fact whacks me across the head.  I'm$ glad I nosed in and posted here :-).   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:40:50 +0200 7 From: "Martin.Knoblauch" <Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de>a2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?+ Message-ID: <3B209DA2.88338C6A@TeraPort.de>d  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------094EF593268387A42F37EF63* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > 4 > One of my memories of Germany from summer of 1989: > / > In the U.S., Mercedes Benz is a prestige car.  >O  F  I think they are in both countries. Interestingly (before the UDS vs.G EUR rate went foul) the Mercedes (fully featured) was cheaper in the USnF than in Germany. So cheap indeed, that reimporting them to Germany was good business.  h > In Dusseldorf, it's taxicab. >   F  The real reason is that it is a car that you can't kill. Most of thatB Mercedes E/S Class taxicabs are diesel powered. In addition to theB extreme durability, that fuel is still the cheapest you can get inG Germany/Europe. All of this makes them a good deal for a taxicab if youe& calculate cost over the cars lifetime.  G  Add to it, although most people in Germany do not need a huge car liket- an E or S Class it comes handy for a taxicab.d   MArtin -- tB ------------------------------------------------------------------B Martin Knoblauch         |    email:  Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de7 TeraPort GmbH            |    Phone:  +49-89-510857-309l7 C+ITS                    |    Fax:    +49-89-510857-111p5 http://www.teraport.de   |    Mobile: +49-170-4904759h& --------------094EF593268387A42F37EF63- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;e  name="Martin.Knoblauch.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit . Content-Description: Card for Martin.Knoblauch  Content-Disposition: attachment;   filename="Martin.Knoblauch.vcf"   begin:vcard  n:Knoblauch;Martin tel;cell:+49-170-4904759 tel;fax:+49-89-510857-111h tel;work:+49-89-510857-309 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.teraport.de org:TeraPort GmbH;C+ITS 8 adr:;;Garmischer Strae 4;Mnchen;Bayern;D-80339;Germany version:2.1S+ email;internet:Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.deu title:Senior System Engineer x-mozilla-cpt:;-7008 fn:Martin Knoblauche	 end:vcarde  ( --------------094EF593268387A42F37EF63--   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 15:05:22 GMTa# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edub2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?+ Message-ID: <9fqpji$hk2$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>s  - Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> writes:t% >system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote:h >nL >I hate to contribute to this thread (hope I've got the attributions right), >but...  >r6 >> nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes: >>H >> We own a 10year old minivan with a 3.3 l 6 cyl that gets 20 miles/galG >> in mostly city driving, 24-26 mpg highway.  To match its volume in ai2 >> 2WD SUV we have to drop to below 18mpg highway. >>  > >> >   And then try to tow a trailer behind that small car :-) >>  K >> Which, since we intend to go to the mountains, is the reason we may end S: >> up getting an 8 cylinder engine in our next vehicle :-( >VG >If your trips to the mountains are infrequent, consider renting that 8 H >cylinder vehicle just for those occasions.  It may prove cheaper in the8 >long run, not to mention more environmentally friendly.  ? Yes they are, Thanks for the suggestion, I'll have a look at itr   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 15:11:57 GMTg# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edue2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?+ Message-ID: <9fqpvt$hk2$2@husk.cso.niu.edu>   b In article <3b1e6631$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:J >>> Also, where did you get the (false) idea that the majority of SUVs are >four;J >>> wheel drive and that four wheel drive is significantly more economical >thanW@ >>> two wheel drive?  You're not presenting facts, just emotion. >>+ >>I never said that 4wd is more economical.L >oK >No, you didn't.  I typed it wrong.  I meant: "and that four wheel drive isp# >significantly less economical thane >two wheel drive?"  7 -------------------------------------------------------r*                       2001            20010                  Ford Expedition Ford Expedition*                        2WD             4WD  / EPA Size Class    Sport Utility   Sport Utility /                   Vehicle - 2WD   Vehicle - 4WDt, Fuel Type            Regular         Regular* MPG (city)              16              14* MPG (hwy)               21              18+ Annual CO2            10.8             12.1t
 emmissions   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 15:29:52 GMTd# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu 2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?+ Message-ID: <9fqr1g$hk2$4@husk.cso.niu.edu>t  . Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:2 >jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes: >g$ >> Sounds like Chicken Little to me. >pG >Does Chicken little intend to visit the Larsen A or B ice shelves? Toor  >late, they have melted already. >pE >> The current thinking amoung climate experts is that melting of thetE >> polar icecaps would require an average change of 4 degrees C.  ThenE >> measured change in the last 100 years is 0.6 degrees C, and recent < >> evidence states that this may be as much as 40% too high. >nH >It is not the average that matters. Local conditions and ocean currents >have the dominant effect.  J The irony is that one possible outcome is that the big Antartic ice shelf D will melt catastrophically because of global warming, bringing some D sigificant flooding, but then all that cold water being dumped into & the oceans will then cause an ice age.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 15:26:09 GMTt# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.eduS2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?+ Message-ID: <9fqqqh$hk2$3@husk.cso.niu.edu>   9 "Martin.Knoblauch" <Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de> writes:f >"David J. Dachtera" wrote:i >> e >> s5 >> One of my memories of Germany from summer of 1989:t >> t0 >> In the U.S., Mercedes Benz is a prestige car. >> >-G > I think they are in both countries. Interestingly (before the UDS vs..H >EUR rate went foul) the Mercedes (fully featured) was cheaper in the USG >than in Germany. So cheap indeed, that reimporting them to Germany wasd >good business.r >  >> In Dusseldorf, it's taxicab.V  G > The real reason is that it is a car that you can't kill. Most of thate3 >Mercedes E/S Class taxicabs are diesel powered. []i  H > Add to it, although most people in Germany do not need a huge car like. >an E or S Class it comes handy for a taxicab.  D If they were still available and if it weren't for the environmentalD impact I would kill for an old-style U.S. taxicab.  Huge space, easyD to get in,  the engines last 100s of thousands of miles in miserable
 city driving.i   Robert   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 15:37:38 GMTf# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edut2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?+ Message-ID: <9fqrg2$hk2$5@husk.cso.niu.edu>e  3 bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:e  E >And still, people from everywhere else are willing to risk all theirjG >property and even their lives in attempts to come to this evil empire,1E >legally or not, while no one is rushing to leave here to live in any ) >of those much more enlightened countries& >i >Go figure.   4 The risk-benefit analysis isn't that hard to figure.  > We have a huge coastline and once here the additional risk to > "upgrade" from the U.S. isn't worth it, 60hrs of minimum wage 5 fills the stomache and provides a roof over the head.S  ? The U.S. is my first choice to live in for a number of reasons, > but that doesn't mean I don't think it can't stand quite a bit of improvement.y   Robert   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 15:41:46 GMT # From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu02 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?+ Message-ID: <9fqrnq$hk2$6@husk.cso.niu.edu>f  B >|>wayne@tachysoft.xxx.021386.killspam.015b (Wayne Sewell) writes: >|> J >|>>>Funnyt how , outside the USA, families have no problems with regular L >|>>>sized  cars, and it is only in the USA that families require oversized 
 >|>>>cars.  M >|>>Are parents in all these other countries required to have the child/baby  < >|>>seats mentioned above?  Those can take up a lot of room.  A Ford Escort handles two of them in the backseat.  Once evil gov't-@ regulation pushes them to put in standard connections it will be7 easier to do so, but even now it isn't that big a deal.b  > OTOH this does point out another difference, the U.S. tends to= have larger families than Europe.  (or at least the fertilityA rate is greater).9   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 15:47:44 GMTi# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu 2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?+ Message-ID: <9fqs30$hk2$7@husk.cso.niu.edu>   ) "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:r >> > JF Mezei wrote:  I >> > > Very few people *need* an SUV.  How many kilometres of road in thes" >> > > USA require a 4wd vehicle ? >hM >In the snow belt, even less than 0.1 km can be significant, if it happens tor >be your driveway.    A I grew up 5 miles from Lake Michigan, anybody else here know the   meaning of "lake effect snow"?  E I deeply appreciate front wheel drive, I think four wheel drive would  be neat, but "need"?  8 >But that certainly doesn't explain their popularity in, >e.g., Southern California.0  M >There are also people with legitimate needs for a fairly capacious vehicle -:I >and an SUV arguably uses its bulk more effectively in that respect than,  >e.g., a Cadillac or Lincoln.  u  $ But not as effectively as a minivan.  / >And since I believe at least to some degree inhJ >a free market (with its excesses reined in by things like CAFE), the factK >that some people just *like* something large doesn't bother me, as long as D >the environmental costs (including the long-term cost of additionalI >consumption of non-renewable resources) are fairly borne by them if theye >make that choice.  L >So I'd have relatively little problem with SUVs (and small trucks, for thatI >matter) if they fell under the same CAFE regulations that cars do:  that B >would encourage manufacturers to make them more efficient withoutL >sacrificing the things they're good at.  But I'd like to see gas prices forD >*all* vehicles reflect the true value of the resources used and the >environmental impact caused.S  ) I pretty much agree with both paragraphs.    Robert   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 15:53:13 GMTt# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edui2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?+ Message-ID: <9fqsd9$hk2$8@husk.cso.niu.edu>   = "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:u  I >>Americans do not "NEED" cars that accelerate from 0-100 in 0.5 seconds, G >>they are brainwashed into beleiving they absolutely need this, again   >>by the advertising.   M >Nonsense.  Americans aren't brainwashed into anything.  They know they don'tO% >"need" them.  They just want them.  u   And why do they want them?  % >And, if they can afford it, why not?e  < At this point in time I don't think the world can afford it.  = In general it indicates that the U.S. has pandemic affluenza.s  0 We are too in love with our material posessions.   Robert   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 13:04:03 -0500 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?3 Message-ID: <SZa5IUxprWlQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  Q In article <9fqqqh$hk2$3@husk.cso.niu.edu>, system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes:l > F > If they were still available and if it weren't for the environmental5 > impact I would kill for an old-style U.S. taxicab.    D You mean a Checker Marathon?  Died of poor sales when taxi companiesC realized their customers couldn't be picky about bent fenders, poorsF shock absorbers, and rear seat space.  If all the cabs in Manhatan are1 beat up Dodges, no taxi company looses customers.o  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupsE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying9   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2001 13:05:59 -0500 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?3 Message-ID: <5r$6IBlwkNKW@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  Q In article <9fqs30$hk2$7@husk.cso.niu.edu>, system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes:d > C > I grew up 5 miles from Lake Michigan, anybody else here know the    > meaning of "lake effect snow"?  E My mothers family survived for decades in the lake effect region when / there was no 4WD anything outside the military.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation-= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupjE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying5   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.316 ************************