1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 10 Jun 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 319       Contents: Re: Bloated software DCPS V1.7 documentation?@ Re: How to run TCL Scripts on Open VMS from the DCL Command Line Re: RAID-0 or Logical Volumes  Re: The future of VMS  Re: The future of VMS 9 Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS) ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:13:58 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>  Subject: Re: Bloated software , Message-ID: <3B229196.8D585A4E@infopuls.com>  
 Joe wrote:   [SNIP]   > As far as Micro$oft bloat... > E > Poor design. That's not all however. What is Windows suppose to be? : > Stop and think about it be for you answer. What was DOS? > F > DOS was Disk Operating System. Windows is suppose to be an operatingB > system. An operating system controls the hardware. Nothing more.F > Nothing less. A web browser integrated into the OS has nothing to doA > with controlling the hardware. The instant messaging which will @ > supposedly be integrated into WindozeXP has nothing to do withA > controlling the hardware (unless perhaps you live in some small G > eastern European country or in China and are writing a virus). I just G > love reading some of the posts on ZDNet's "talk back" - from the yoyo F > that manages to include the phrase "Microsoft fights the good fight"E > everytime he says something to all the people saying that all these > > integrated features improve competition in the market place. > D > Windows is Bill's onging attempt to turn anything computer related > into his own little surfdom. >  > Joe   5 The OS is basically a resource manager, not only a HW < controlling layer. Including synthetic services like message" passing is per se not a bad thing.@ OTOH I regard it as a major goal for any OS implementation to do@ its tasks as efficient as possible. I'm not sure whether this is= the case with the so called OSs sold by Micro$hit, especially  with the GUI part.  @ A good OS design offers an integration platform and with getting? mature I don't see anything bad in including more services into = the OS which might have been supplied by 3rd party SW before.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:29:25 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org! Subject: DCPS V1.7 documentation? ) Message-ID: <01060923292496@antinode.org>   E    I recently got a bargain on an HP LaserJet 4MV, so I put it on the G home network and, seeing the appropriate hobbyist licenses in the pile, C installed DCPS V1.7.  That worked a few times, although I'd like to D inhibit the (attractively formatted) intro page, and it now seems to% be asking for A4 paper for every job.   F    In any case, I'd like to get access to some DCPS documentation.  IsE it accessible on the Web, or can anyone make it available for a quiet 	 download?   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home) C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work) 9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2001 18:09:53 -0500 / From: jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu (Jerome LAURET) I Subject: Re: How to run TCL Scripts on Open VMS from the DCL Command Line . Message-ID: <3b229eb1_3@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu>   $ tclsh myscript.tcl  I         seems pretty much the only way apart from renaming .tcl into .com C and embeding the tclsh command there. With perl, I usually add some 
 wrappers like   J $ perl perl_root:[000000]mhonarc.; 'p1' 'p2' 'p3' 'p4' 'p5' 'p6' 'p7' 'p8'  7         works fine but I do that only for installation.    --  6                   Jerome LAURET S.U.N.Y. @ Stony Brook$        ,,,,,      Dept. of Chemistry+       ( o o )     Stony Brook NY 11794-3400 ;   ---m---U---m--------------------------------------------- #   E-mail: jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu <   URL   : http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/jlauret/jlauret.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 20:56:00 -0400 - From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> & Subject: Re: RAID-0 or Logical Volumes- Message-ID: <3B22C5A0.1FE9E6FA@bellsouth.net>   M If you have a RAID controller, then yes.  I have a single logical RAID-5 disk & (7x2.1Gb) on this system.  Works well.  R do a stand-alone backup of your current system disk and warm backups of your other disk change to RAID restore standalone% restore secondary disk at root level. 0 change all logicals to point to the same device.   Michael Austin DBA Consultant   Freddy Meerwaldt wrote:    > Hi!  > C > I have installed 3 HDDs at each 2 GB in my AlphaServer 400 4/233. . > Is it possible to use all 3 as system disks?G > My thought would be to create a software RAID-0 set in OpenVMS, but I L > don't know whether it is possible (and if yes, if it's already possible at > install time).K > The same on a VAXstation 4000/60. I have 2x 2GB SCSI in it, and I want to  > do the same. >  > Many thanks in advance,  >         Freddy >  > --P > Geek Code 3.1: GCS s+: a--- C+++ UBOU+++ P-- E--- W++ N w--- V++ PGP- t? 5? tv > L > ==========================================================================F >  Frederik Meerwaldt  ICQ: 83045387  Homepage: http://www.freddym.orgE >  Bavaria/Germany              OpenVMS and Unix Howtos and much more K >  Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, NetBSD, OpenBSD, IRIX, Tru64, OpenVMS, Ultrix, BeOS    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:06:30 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>  Subject: Re: The future of VMS, Message-ID: <3B228FD6.50C86C16@infopuls.com>   Carl Perkins wrote:  > A > "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes... C > }>What I would like to see is a tool which automatically converts ? > }>the command line interface of foreign programs to a CLD/VMS  > }>style interface. > } D > }It's a simple thing to produce.  Use the following as a template: > }  > }DEFINE VERB foreign4 > }    IMAGE foreigndir:foreign, CLIFLAGS( FOREIGN ) > }-- D > }Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com > E > That didn't convert squat. It didn't change the command line flags, D > say "-foo" for example, to qaulifiers (like "/foo" for example) orC > anything. It just kept everything the same except that once it is B > in the command tables you don't have to define the symbol to run
 > it foreign.  > F > Automatically converting interfaces would be quite difficult - you'dF > have to parse the soruce code of the program to see what it actuallyB > does with the command line data, including deciding if any givenG > element should be a qualifier or a parameter and figuring out if they E > are grouped (example: the differece between "program arg1 arg2" and G > the very similar looking "program arg1 value1" , the former might end E > up as "program/arg1/arg2" and the latter as "program/arg1=value1").  > C > I have some serious doubts as to whether or not it is possibly to E > do this interface style conversion automatically for anything other  > than a very simple case. > 
 > --- Carl  < Maybe it is smarter to process the man page? Or combine both@ sources? I never said this would be an easy task but it would be> helpful because this task has to be done with every such port.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2001 17:40:52 -0400 / From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)  Subject: Re: The future of VMS* Message-ID: <9fu554$d7a$1@lisa.gemair.com>  , In article <3B228FD6.50C86C16@infopuls.com>,+ Christof Brass  <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:  >Carl Perkins wrote: >>  B >> "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes...D >> }>What I would like to see is a tool which automatically converts@ >> }>the command line interface of foreign programs to a CLD/VMS >> }>style interface.  >> }E >> }It's a simple thing to produce.  Use the following as a template:  >> } >> }DEFINE VERB foreign 5 >> }    IMAGE foreigndir:foreign, CLIFLAGS( FOREIGN )  >> }--E >> }Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com  >>  F >> That didn't convert squat. It didn't change the command line flags,E >> say "-foo" for example, to qaulifiers (like "/foo" for example) or D >> anything. It just kept everything the same except that once it isC >> in the command tables you don't have to define the symbol to run  >> it foreign. >>  G >> Automatically converting interfaces would be quite difficult - you'd G >> have to parse the soruce code of the program to see what it actually C >> does with the command line data, including deciding if any given H >> element should be a qualifier or a parameter and figuring out if theyF >> are grouped (example: the differece between "program arg1 arg2" andH >> the very similar looking "program arg1 value1" , the former might endF >> up as "program/arg1/arg2" and the latter as "program/arg1=value1"). >>  D >> I have some serious doubts as to whether or not it is possibly toF >> do this interface style conversion automatically for anything other >> than a very simple case.  >>   >> --- Carl  > = >Maybe it is smarter to process the man page? Or combine both A >sources? I never said this would be an easy task but it would be ? >helpful because this task has to be done with every such port.   = Someone earlier suggested making a getopts/CLD generator, and ? I think that's probably the easiest task with the most benefit. ; A lot of the GNU software uses getopts() and if it doesn't, 7 could be made to and you'd have a good chance that the  : maintainer would take the mods.  You could put things that9 aren't taken into account in getopts() into some special  = comment convention that could be processed out of the source.   9 It doesn't cover 100%, but no other solution does either.    -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 13:42:32 -0500 8 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@NOSPAM.psinetcs.com>B Subject: Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)I Message-ID: <craig.berry-FE30E9.13423209062001@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>   , In article <3B2148A8.60398E49@infopuls.com>,+  Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:    > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > K > > Because at this point it seems that none of the changes for VMS support N > > ever get rolled back into the base code, every update results in a totallyL > > new porting project.  I would like to see that change too, but somehow II > > don't see it happening anytime soon.  But if clean ports, with an eye L > > toward maintaining that portability are done, it could make it easier to@ > > fold these changes into future releases of the same package. > A > It should be considered to develop a smart patch app that could ? > be automatically applied to incorporate the changes/additions = > needed to convert the foreign SW to VMS SW. There are patch > > utilities around that are used by other porters on differentA > platforms but I suspect they won't be helpful if the difference @ > between the two platform is too big. It may be helpful to do a: > three file merge: old source, new source and VMS source.  @ GNU diffutils and GNU patch for VMS are available on the newest D freeware CD or from <http://www.crinoid.com/utils/>.  These are the G tools most commonly used for cross platform application of source code  H changes (and incidentally these are modest-sized ports that could serve ! as examples for Bill's students).   D The real issue here, though, is not whether there is a way to apply D changes large or small -- technically speaking that's easy with the D above tools.  The difficulty is convincing the maintainer(s) of the G open source kit in question that VMS-specific changes are a good thing  H and should be included with the standard distribution.  It helps if you C put all VMS-specific stuff in a [.vms] subdirectory under the main  F source tree and make very sparing use of "#ifdef __VMS" in the source F files that will be shared across platforms.  If at all possible, test A your modified code on at least one Unix variant to make sure you  E haven't broken anything for other platforms.  Generate contextual or  G unified diffs with GNU diff, submit to the maintainer and hope for the  4 best.  Results vary widely depending on the package.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 14:56:59 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?' Message-ID: <3B227F8B.80C07C09@fsi.net>    Carl Perkins wrote:  > 7 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes...  > }Bob Koehler wrote: V > }> In article <9fqs30$hk2$7@husk.cso.niu.edu>, system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes: > }> >G > }> > I grew up 5 miles from Lake Michigan, anybody else here know the % > }> > meaning of "lake effect snow"?  > }>J > }> My mothers family survived for decades in the lake effect region when4 > }> there was no 4WD anything outside the military. > } J > }Back in Jan. '67, my mom drove home from work (about seven(7) miles) in9 > }circa. 24 inches of snow in a 1966 Ford Galaxie (RWD).  > }  > }--  > }David J. Dachtera > H > And did that car get better or worse mileage per gallon than a current > day 4WD SUV?  A 302ci V8 2bbl carb., normally aspirated. I drove it when I got my G license circa. age 16/17. If I set it to run so lean it was burning the G valves and electrodes off of the plugs instead of the fuel in the tank, F I could get it to do 19-20 m.p.g. on the highway. Otherwise, 15-18 was normal.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2001 14:30:22 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) 2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?, Message-ID: <fGuXYQ4RLZDC@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  ( In article <3B227F8B.80C07C09@fsi.net>, 7     "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >>  I >> And did that car get better or worse mileage per gallon than a current  >> day 4WD SUV?  > * > 302ci V8 2bbl carb., normally aspirated.  =    Same motor as my 96 Explorer has, same gas mileage too ;-)    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.319 ************************