1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 12 Jun 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 324       Contents:A Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com A Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com A Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com , Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun, Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun, Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun. cancel <3B25F381.87BD7F46@deutsche-boerse.com> Check out today's Shark Tank  Re: Check out today's Shark Tank Re: Compaq Exits PC Price Wars Re: Compaq Exits PC Price Wars- Re: Compaq sponsor The Inquirer with VMS kit?  Re: Disk Performance new! Re: DS10 homede boot disk problem ! Re: DS10 homede boot disk problem ! Re: DS10 homede boot disk problem ! RE: DS10 homede boot disk problem ! Re: DS10 homede boot disk problem  Re: find files base on size  Re: find files base on size  RE: find files base on size  Re: find files base on size  Re: find files base on size  Re: How to rewrite SLS in DCL  Re: How to rewrite SLS in DCL  Re: How to rewrite SLS in DCL  Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing  Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing  Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing  Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing  Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing  Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing 1 Re: Multiple UCX/TCPIP name servers in a cluster? " Re: NCP to NCL command equivilants" Re: NCP to NCL command equivilants" Re: Need help with LIB$TABLE_PARSE Re: NYSE Re: NYSE Re: NYSE Re: OpenVMS v7.3& Re: Problem with JUMP from FREEWARE CD Program to emulate HTTPs POSTs? ! Re: Steve Hoffman- Support of UCX  Streaming of multiple files 9 Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)  Training sites for vms training   Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML? Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?  Re: [TCPIP V5.1] some rants   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  ! Date: Tue, 12 Jun 01 08:09:33 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com J Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com+ Message-ID: <9g4rpl$btl$4@bob.news.rcn.net>   ; In article <PX4V6.6783$Tc.2098673@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, 8    "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: > K ><jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message news:9g28im$6fv$4@bob.news.rcn.net... < >> In article <DrRU6.354$%f.898168@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,; >>    "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: 	 >> <snip>  >>K >> >Larry, you are perfectly free to use whatever communications medium you E >> >choose to contact Compaq (if you're really paranoid, I have some   VCMX-11 K >> >one-time pad keys you are welcome to use). But please bear in mind that  >> youG >> >are negatively impacting the one extant mechanism for bidirectional  >> >communications with Compaq.  >>@ >> The site is doing all of the damage.  Existing customers haveB >> tried to make their views known but gave up when they got asked@ >> for their kitchen sink.  Or rather, I should say ex-customersE >> because they got pissed off and started using other manufacturer's  >> products. > H >Well, I've always been of the opinion that voting with one's feet is an) >effective way to make one's views known.   B So you are really trying to undermine the business.  Why don't you> go help Microsoft?  That would, at least, be productive to the computer business overall.      % > I don't have a problem with forking H >over the personal data the site collects (to me it doesn't rise to the  level 7 >of kitchen-sink detail), but apparently some folks do.    A LOT of BUSINESSES mind.      > G >The rationale for collecting the personal information is to aid in the J >analysis of issues and votes, e.g. if a significant number of respondentsF >are concerned about system reliability, it would be valuable to know  whether - >they were NSK, Tru64, VMS, or Windows users.   ? But the strategy isn't gathering any useful data.  Compaq isn't ? ever going to find out why ex-customers became that way because < the communication link (buying products) is gone.  JEEZ!!!!!( This is the attitude that destroyed DEC.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2001 11:46:41 -05009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) J Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com3 Message-ID: <3LQpXlwEw7IO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <PX4V6.6783$Tc.2098673@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:I > Well, I've always been of the opinion that voting with one's feet is an N > effective way to make one's views known. I don't have a problem with forkingN > over the personal data the site collects (to me it doesn't rise to the level8 > of kitchen-sink detail), but apparently some folks do.  J I do not give out *CORRECT* information in response to requests like this.J If anyone checks the data that has been commected, they will probably findF that Ken Olson, Bill Gates, Ted Kazinsky, W J Clinton, and others have
 responded.  7 And Radio Shaft thinks I live at 1600 Pennsylvania ave!    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:01:19 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>J Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com9 Message-ID: <zVrV6.444$86.150766@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   F "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars> wrote in message- news:3LQpXlwEw7IO@eisner.encompasserve.org... G > In article <PX4V6.6783$Tc.2098673@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. , Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:K > > Well, I've always been of the opinion that voting with one's feet is an H > > effective way to make one's views known. I don't have a problem with forking J > > over the personal data the site collects (to me it doesn't rise to the level : > > of kitchen-sink detail), but apparently some folks do. > L > I do not give out *CORRECT* information in response to requests like this.L > If anyone checks the data that has been commected, they will probably findH > that Ken Olson, Bill Gates, Ted Kazinsky, W J Clinton, and others have > responded.  L Well, KO and Bill Gates have used Compaq gear. The email system in the WhiteK House is GS-Series powered, so Slick Willie might be a user as well. As for 8 Ted Kazinsky, I thought he had a problem with computers.  3 Anyhow, if you used the site, thanks for the input!  > 9 > And Radio Shaft thinks I live at 1600 Pennsylvania ave!    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2001 11:43:16 -05009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) 5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun 3 Message-ID: <TbSVF9Ix5X4Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3B24369E.1372043E@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:M > What is *really* needed is for Wall Street Casino analysts to start telling P > Compaq that it should dump Microsoft and focus on its own products. Until thatP > happens, I don't see Compaq breaking is brownosing loyalty to Bill Gates whichF > prevents Compaq's own products from maximizing their full potential. > P > The other possibility is for Compaq to spin off the Alpha-based stuff (Tandem,K > VMS, Unix) into a separate company (with Compaq still providing the after L > sales support). The spearate company would be free to marklet its productsK > against all competitors and would not have any vested interest in helping H > Microsoft conquer the few parts of teh world it hasn't yet concquered.   Tan-DEC?   Alpha Micro?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:57:14 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com 5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun D Message-ID: <OFA8D0D0AC.F4B162D7-ON88256A69.005CCB6A@foundation.com>  B They won't spin the Alpha stuff off, it looks to me like there's aI parasitic relationship going on. Without the money from the out-of-favour F proprietary stuff, the golden-child PC end would be in deep s***. They won't allow that.    Shane           J kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) on 06/12/2001 09:43:16 AM  E Please respond to kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   6 Subject:  Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun    5 In article <3B24369E.1372043E@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei & <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:E > What is *really* needed is for Wall Street Casino analysts to start  telling K > Compaq that it should dump Microsoft and focus on its own products. Until  thatJ > happens, I don't see Compaq breaking is brownosing loyalty to Bill Gates which F > prevents Compaq's own products from maximizing their full potential. > G > The other possibility is for Compaq to spin off the Alpha-based stuff  (Tandem,K > VMS, Unix) into a separate company (with Compaq still providing the after C > sales support). The spearate company would be free to marklet its  productsK > against all competitors and would not have any vested interest in helping H > Microsoft conquer the few parts of teh world it hasn't yet concquered.   Tan-DEC?   Alpha Micro?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:59:54 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 5 Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - or perhaps to Sun , Message-ID: <3B265896.DC972C3A@videotron.ca>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > D > They won't spin the Alpha stuff off, it looks to me like there's aK > parasitic relationship going on. Without the money from the out-of-favour H > proprietary stuff, the golden-child PC end would be in deep s***. They > won't allow that.   J But if most revenus come from support, then it is to Compaq's advantage toN spin off all of the Alpha stuff to a separate company that would be allowed to- compete against Wintel at any level it wants.   L If a separate company can generate more sales and to a greater market breathH than Compaq is allowed to do, then Compaq would get more service revenusE because the installed base of Alpha systems would grow significantly.   L So Compaq would be able to return to what it wants to be : a PC company thatL is a slave to Microsoft, and it would just happen to have a services/support1 division that handled enterprise systems as well.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:51:56 +0200 5 From: Eckhard Wich <eckhard_wich@deutsche-boerse.com> 7 Subject: cancel <3B25F381.87BD7F46@deutsche-boerse.com> 0 Message-ID: <3b261066@nfi013.deutsche-boerse.de>  / This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2001 09:08:11 -0700$ From: svieth@wi.rr.com (Scott Vieth)% Subject: Check out today's Shark Tank = Message-ID: <5a85bce2.0106120808.7d02b2fa@posting.google.com>   C After our recent discussions of James Bamford's books on the NSA, I 1 thought the group would enjoy today's Shark Tank:   I http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/sharktank/0,1130,NAV47-68-86-103,00.html   
 -Scott :^)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:01:19 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>) Subject: Re: Check out today's Shark Tank 9 Message-ID: <zVrV6.443$86.152546@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   1 "Scott Vieth" <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote in message 7 news:5a85bce2.0106120808.7d02b2fa@posting.google.com... E > After our recent discussions of James Bamford's books on the NSA, I 3 > thought the group would enjoy today's Shark Tank:  > K > http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/sharktank/0,1130,NAV47-68-86-103,00.html  >   9 Yep, sez this member of the Association of Old Crows. ;-}   A If you haven't read Body of Secrets as of yet, czech it out. Much H interesting stuff about advanced computing technology. And Other Things,; including some I may or may not have done thirty years ago.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2001 18:35:58 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> ' Subject: Re: Compaq Exits PC Price Wars H Message-ID: <y4iti1irkh.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  - John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes:    > I agree. Death to desktops.  [snip]  M The problem is in this scenario the reliability of the network infrastructure G and the server(s) actually providing the data and the applications. The B current way of doing things has no single point of failure that isI controllable by the enterprise (i.e., power failures don't count). If the J server is down, at least some work can continue locally until the fault isK fixed. In your scenario, you send your employees to the swimming pool or to F the ice rink (depending on time of year and latitude) if shit happens.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:39:02 -0400 + From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> ' Subject: Re: Compaq Exits PC Price Wars # Message-ID: <sb260d76.031@aaas.org>    Absolutely.   K Except...how much downtime do you see from a Mainframe? Or a VMS Cluster? = G It's no different than your terminal environment 10 years ago. We run = H Office and our Email Client from the network, so if the file server is = down, everyone is down.    Luckily, we use Netware. <G>  D >>> Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> = 06/12/2001 12:35:58 PM >>>- John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes:    > I agree. Death to desktops.  [snip]  L The problem is in this scenario the reliability of the network infrastructu= reG and the server(s) actually providing the data and the applications. The B current way of doing things has no single point of failure that isI controllable by the enterprise (i.e., power failures don't count). If the J server is down, at least some work can continue locally until the fault isJ fixed. In your scenario, you send your employees to the swimming pool or = toF the ice rink (depending on time of year and latitude) if shit happens.   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:46:10 GMT 4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)6 Subject: Re: Compaq sponsor The Inquirer with VMS kit?) Message-ID: <6PqV6.4390$%L5.52991@insync>   3 Terry C. Shannon (terryshannon@mediaone.net) wrote:  : K : Mike runs Windoze at home (sad but true), dunno what's on the server that  : hosts his page.  :   A According to www.netcraft.com, www.theinquirer.net is running on  # WebSitePro/2.5.4 on NT4/Windows 98.   % --Jerry Leslie   leslie@clio.rice.edu /                  leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net ;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:47:18 -0400 + From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> ! Subject: Re: Disk Performance new # Message-ID: <sb25e52b.026@aaas.org>   K I would be happy to make my numbers available. We are very satisfied with = H the disk configuration we ended up with, thanks to LOTS of testing and = feedback from everyone here.  F >>> "Chris Casey" <chris.casey@ntlworld.com> 06/11/2001 6:00:42 PM >>>E No, not another message in the very long and heated thread with the =  similar  name.  Just a question.H From the thread mentioned and others over the years it would appear thatJ many people have done a lot of work benchmarking various disk, controller,# RAID configurations over the years.   J Are any of the people who have done this work prepared to publish or shareG this in some way so that an a more general picture could be built up of 2 actual performance of various disk configurations.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2001 21:24:07 -0700- From: merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) * Subject: Re: DS10 homede boot disk problem= Message-ID: <b6bf97d5.0106112024.21ff8b9a@posting.google.com>   r merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) wrote in message news:<b6bf97d5.0106111156.20c50187@posting.google.com>...P > Hi I created a 7.2-1 and a 7.1-2 vms boot disk for DS10 and it boots past the N > vms banner where I get Volume read only ,Mount verification in progress this@ > seems to dismount the disk and the boot stops there any ideas?  5 whoops i mean a CDROM boot disk i copy the boot disk e copy dka0: image.dsk  ? then down load it to win to burn it thi work witrh alpha serveriG 300 4/266 running vms 62-1 but not my ds10 vms 712 and ide cdrom (dqa0)u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:46:30 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)* Subject: Re: DS10 homede boot disk problemL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1206010046300001@user-2iveahd.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <b6bf97d5.0106112024.21ff8b9a@posting.google.com>,h. merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) wrote:  : > merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) wrote in message9 news:<b6bf97d5.0106111156.20c50187@posting.google.com>...dH > > Hi I created a 7.2-1 and a 7.1-2 vms boot disk for DS10 and it boots	 past the  P > > vms banner where I get Volume read only ,Mount verification in progress thisB > > seems to dismount the disk and the boot stops there any ideas? > 7 > whoops i mean a CDROM boot disk i copy the boot disk   > copy dka0: image.dsk iA > then down load it to win to burn it thi work witrh alpha serverSI > 300 4/266 running vms 62-1 but not my ds10 vms 712 and ide cdrom (dqa0)n  = I wouldn't expect a COPY command to make a bootable VMS disk.t  F Have you tried BACKUP/IMAGE?  That does all the extra bits of magic to make a bootable disk.n  D If you want to put it on a CD, start with a CD.  Normal VMS installsJ result in a disk that doesn't like to be write-protected.  The VMS on a CD is special in this regard.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:44:49 +0100f  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com* Subject: Re: DS10 homede boot disk problemH Message-ID: <OF43D12003.989EC303-ON80256A69.0034AE5F@qedi.quintiles.com>  K This might not answer the initial question, but it might help your process.]K I use LD off the freeware CD to create and map a file as a logical disk and G then use backup to transfer the system disk structure to the virtual or  logical disk.  So :-  " $ LD CREATE SYSDSK.DSK/SIZ=1300000 $ CONNECT SYSDSK.DSK LDA1001 $ MOUNT/FOREIGN LDA100:r7 $ BACKUP/IMAGE/NOALIAS/IGNORE=INTERLOCK DKA100: LDA100: : $! where DKA100 is the system disk that I want to back up. $! $ DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD LDA100:a $ MOUNT/OVER=IDENT LDA100: $ MC SYSGENm' USE LDA100:[SYS0.SYSEXE]ALPHAVMSSYS.PARr SET WLKSYSDSK 1e
 WRITE CURRENT  $ DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD LDA100:i $ LD DISCONN LDA100:  K WLKSYSDSK is described in the help files within SYSGEN and is an Alpha onlyo
 parameter.I I then use CDRECORD to transfer the file containing the disk image to the  CD-R.r   Steve.   Rob Merritt wrote: >>>eI Hi I created a 7.2-1 and a 7.1-2 vms boot disk for DS10 and it boots pastl therG vms banner where I get Volume read only ,Mount verification in progressu this> seems to dismount the disk and the boot stops there any ideas? <<<e Then added : >>>s4 whoops i mean a CDROM boot disk i copy the boot disk copy dka0: image.dsk? then down load it to win to burn it thi work witrh alpha servereG 300 4/266 running vms 62-1 but not my ds10 vms 712 and ide cdrom (dqa0)s <<<    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:32:51 -0600a< From: "Merritt, Robert" <merritt.robert@sbe.saskatoon.sk.ca>* Subject: RE: DS10 homede boot disk problemQ Message-ID: <314381A1F75ED211BB3300805FC7335A026383A7@dakota.sbe.saskatoon.sk.ca>   H Thanks I will give it a try , I tested out LD and DFY$VMSCD  but i didnt use ' USE LDA100:[SYS0.SYSEXE]ALPHAVMSSYS.PARb SET WLKSYSDSK 1 
 WRITE CURRENT   ' so what the heck I will give it a shot s   rob merritti   -----Original Message-----D From: steven.reece@quintiles.com [mailto:steven.reece@quintiles.com]$ Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:45 AM To: info-vax@mvb.saic.comr* Subject: Re: DS10 homede boot disk problem        K This might not answer the initial question, but it might help your process.sK I use LD off the freeware CD to create and map a file as a logical disk andtG then use backup to transfer the system disk structure to the virtual ori logical disk.  So :e  " $ LD CREATE SYSDSK.DSK/SIZ=1300000 $ CONNECT SYSDSK.DSK LDA100e $ MOUNT/FOREIGN LDA100:h7 $ BACKUP/IMAGE/NOALIAS/IGNORE=INTERLOCK DKA100: LDA100:!: $! where DKA100 is the system disk that I want to back up. $! $ DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD LDA100:  $ MOUNT/OVER=IDENT LDA100: $ MC SYSGENe' USE LDA100:[SYS0.SYSEXE]ALPHAVMSSYS.PARw SET WLKSYSDSK 1s
 WRITE CURRENT( $ DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD LDA100:a $ LD DISCONN LDA100:  K WLKSYSDSK is described in the help files within SYSGEN and is an Alpha onlys
 parameter.I I then use CDRECORD to transfer the file containing the disk image to then CD-R.e   Steve.   Rob Merritt wrote: >>>eI Hi I created a 7.2-1 and a 7.1-2 vms boot disk for DS10 and it boots pastf thevG vms banner where I get Volume read only ,Mount verification in progressv this> seems to dismount the disk and the boot stops there any ideas? <<<  Then added : >>>e4 whoops i mean a CDROM boot disk i copy the boot disk copy dka0: image.dsk? then down load it to win to burn it thi work witrh alpha server G 300 4/266 running vms 62-1 but not my ds10 vms 712 and ide cdrom (dqa0)t <<<e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:51:39 -0500n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>-* Subject: Re: DS10 homede boot disk problem' Message-ID: <3B2656AB.43C4BF69@fsi.net><   Robert Deininger wrote:  > ? > In article <b6bf97d5.0106112024.21ff8b9a@posting.google.com>,p0 > merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) wrote: > < > > merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) wrote in message; > news:<b6bf97d5.0106111156.20c50187@posting.google.com>...eJ > > > Hi I created a 7.2-1 and a 7.1-2 vms boot disk for DS10 and it boots
 > past theR > > > vms banner where I get Volume read only ,Mount verification in progress thisD > > > seems to dismount the disk and the boot stops there any ideas? > >n8 > > whoops i mean a CDROM boot disk i copy the boot disk > > copy dka0: image.dskC > > then down load it to win to burn it thi work witrh alpha serverlK > > 300 4/266 running vms 62-1 but not my ds10 vms 712 and ide cdrom (dqa0)o > ? > I wouldn't expect a COPY command to make a bootable VMS disk.t  D Well, it doesn't "make" a bootable VMS disk, but it does "copy" one., See: http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html#pd  G The source disk is MOUNTed /FOREIGN; so COPY just does a block-by-blocksE read/write until the read part fails (illegal logical block number, Ie	 believe).w  . -- o David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsp http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/1  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.g   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2001 09:26:55 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)l$ Subject: Re: find files base on size3 Message-ID: <8ZQrOTQ0RUfL@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  o In article <3b2555f3.324630463@news.telusplanet.net>, trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk) writes:tG > I have searched the web and in the docs for a way to search for largerF > files on an OpenVMS 6.2 computer.  We have only 20megs of disk spaceH > left on one of the disks and are looking to see if any large files canH > be deleted.  I would like to get a listing of files and/or directories+ > over 10 megs.  How can I accomplish this?i >   > 	Not taking time to read all the follow-ups, find the freeware: 	product DFU on the freeware CD.  Here is a short example:   $ dfu :== $dfu< $ dfu search /size=minimum=50000 sys$sysdevice:/output=a.tmp $ type a.tmp  G NODE$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYS;1                     180000/180000"F NODE$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1                       55520/55521     			Rob   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2001 09:28:09 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)n$ Subject: Re: find files base on size3 Message-ID: <djCH5rROczu3@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  o In article <3b2555f3.324630463@news.telusplanet.net>, trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk) writes:sG > I have searched the web and in the docs for a way to search for largesF > files on an OpenVMS 6.2 computer.  We have only 20megs of disk spaceH > left on one of the disks and are looking to see if any large files canH > be deleted.  I would like to get a listing of files and/or directories+ > over 10 megs.  How can I accomplish this?s >    	Oh... why DFU?    	Because it is *much* faster.o   				Robt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:00:34 -0700n. From: Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com>$ Subject: RE: find files base on size; Message-ID: <000301c0f361$32c0d750$9c96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>    or if you dont have dfu   - $BIG == "DIR/DATE/SIZE/SELECT=SIZE=(MIN=500)"  $big dra1:[*...]*.*)   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2001 08:07:50 -0700- From: afeldman@gfigroup.com (Alan E. Feldman)e$ Subject: Re: find files base on size= Message-ID: <af1e4ce6.0106120707.5a5f6bd4@posting.google.com>n  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3B2565E6.3B8972C6@videotron.ca>...r > Bill Pedersen wrote: > > P > > The DCL procedure below will find any file with 10,000 or more blocks on youF > > system.  Change parameters as you need to get better resolution or > > information as you need it.d@ > > ============================================================ >  > 8 > DIR/select=size=minimum=10000  dua0:[000000...]*.*;*   > K > will do the trick without the need for a command procedure. The selectionrP > criteria seems to act on the allocated size of the file based on a simple test > I have made.  E The /select=size=minimum results are based on whatever size qualifieraC you are using. If no /SIZE is present -- or, if /SIZE=USER -- it is @ based on used blocks. If /SIZE=ALLO or /SIZE=ALL, it is based on allocated blocks.m   Alan E. Feldman  &-) Disclaimer: JMHO   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:00:59 GMT 7 From: trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk)g$ Subject: Re: find files base on size5 Message-ID: <3b264961.386948812@news.telusplanet.net>   D Hey, thanks to everyone here who replied and to the several emails ID also received.  I guess I will read every option for commands in theB future.  I thought that there should be a simple command to do it.   Thanks!i   Trevor Osatchuku   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2001 23:10:26 -0700: From: franz.folly@ba-ca.group-treasury.co.at (frank foley)& Subject: Re: How to rewrite SLS in DCL= Message-ID: <2fe08a77.0106112210.1985f6e0@posting.google.com>    "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here.please@home.com> wrote in message news:<1S3V6.129744$Ub.1541337@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>...bM > What is the business problem you're trying to solve here?   Are you gettingkG > rid of SLS for financial reasons or technical reasons?  I would guesstN > financial since DCL is free, however, you're re-inventing a really big wheelL > here.....  there are plenty of other solutions out there without having to > start from scratch.n > I > "frank foley" <franz.folly@ba-ca.group-treasury.co.at> wrote in messagee9 > news:2fe08a77.0106110445.115f0c01@posting.google.com... F > > We want to replace SLS by DCL, maybe with Oracle as Tape Database.5 > > (VMS 7.3 Alpha, TL810 Tape Roboter, Oracle 8.0.5)t > > Did anyone do this before ?o  E Now, the reason is a technical one. We always use Betaversions of the D newest VMS Releases to gain performance. Other products like SLS lagC behind this releases and therefore we have to replace SLS with DCL.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:51:58 GMTc; From: "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here.please@home.com>d& Subject: Re: How to rewrite SLS in DCL< Message-ID: <28pV6.134510$Ub.1612068@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>  F Performance?  Really?  I would have thought DCL to be much slower thanJ SLS... wait a minute, upon reflection, after having struggled so much with4 ABS/SLS myself, I think you may be quite right!  :-)  G Seriously however, if you're looking for performance, and money isn't atI problem, consider Veritas NetBackup.   True you need a UNIX server for iteE and VMS is a client, however, in all my testing, NetBackup absolutely G screams on performance with its tape and network multiplexing features.i    G "frank foley" <franz.folly@ba-ca.group-treasury.co.at> wrote in messagei7 news:2fe08a77.0106112210.1985f6e0@posting.google.com... H > "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here.please@home.com> wrote in message8 news:<1S3V6.129744$Ub.1541337@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>...G > > What is the business problem you're trying to solve here?   Are you  getting I > > rid of SLS for financial reasons or technical reasons?  I would guess J > > financial since DCL is free, however, you're re-inventing a really big wheelPK > > here.....  there are plenty of other solutions out there without havingh to > > start from scratch.r > >MK > > "frank foley" <franz.folly@ba-ca.group-treasury.co.at> wrote in messagee; > > news:2fe08a77.0106110445.115f0c01@posting.google.com...tH > > > We want to replace SLS by DCL, maybe with Oracle as Tape Database.7 > > > (VMS 7.3 Alpha, TL810 Tape Roboter, Oracle 8.0.5)n! > > > Did anyone do this before ?= >6G > Now, the reason is a technical one. We always use Betaversions of the F > newest VMS Releases to gain performance. Other products like SLS lagE > behind this releases and therefore we have to replace SLS with DCL.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:36:25 -0400g- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> & Subject: Re: How to rewrite SLS in DCL, Message-ID: <3B265317.7D3988D9@videotron.ca>   Curtis Rempel wrote: > H > Performance?  Really?  I would have thought DCL to be much slower thanL > SLS... wait a minute, upon reflection, after having struggled so much with6 > ABS/SLS myself, I think you may be quite right!  :-)  I If you use SLS only as tape management, then DCL can do just fine. BACKUP2# still does the actual work. Right ?)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:22:39 -040062 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS MarketingL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1106012322390001@user-2iveahd.dialup.mindspring.com>  
 In articleA <OFCD542ACF.95473623-ON03256A68.006644DD@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,n* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  J > I've read a lot of presentations and links informing about the strong u= > se@ > of OpenVMS in the finance market. Probably these presentations > are not updated. > * > " - I SUGGEST COMPAQ AN  OPENVMS CENSUS" > 1 > Or Compaq is afraid about the results ?????????   D At the alphaserver diamond forum in NYC last month, the Compaq folksJ reported VMS growth in the financial sector over the last year.  Not flat, but up.   H Compaq seems to be throwing an expensive alpha/VMS shindig in NYC 2 or 3J times a year, mainly for their financial customers in the area.  These areG (sadly from my point of view) non-technical, suit-level presentations.  E These things can't be cheap to host.  I think the fact that they keep J doing them means they are percieved to be helping VMS marketing.  The mostE recent NYC diamond forum was "alphaserver", but VMS folks appeared toaD outnumber Tru64 by about 2 to 1.  The previous one (in December) was/ "openVMS"; the crowd was just as big that time.s  F I have noticed occasional migration-related job notices.  For example,J migration from RMS to a commercial database on VMS.  (Too bad I don't knowG databases...)  Companies in the area are NOT abandoning VMS in droves.  / Some are moving away, and some are moving back.s  H One thing to keep in mind about the OpenVMS testimonials.  To put one ofF these up on the web, somebody has to manage a lot of inter-company redJ tape.  Most VMS sites will never go to the trouble of vetting market-speak for approval to go on the web.  J At the May shindig, Marc Krellenstein of NorthernLight gave a nice historyJ of his firm's use of VMS and why they chose it.  Performance, scalability,J reliability:  VMS was the ONLY solution that would do when they started upG 5 years or so ago.  By now, he thinks there _might_ be one or two other/F alternatives that have become viable, or almost so.  But they are veryF happy with their choice of VMS, both for software developement and forJ production.  He remarked that they had to overcome the negative bias aboutF VMS from their money folks.  But they had the numbers to back up theirI choice of VMS; the investors agreed to spend the extra money for VMS onceg they understood the advantages.s  I Krellenstien's presentation was one of the best for VMS that I have heardtE of.  It would be worthwhile to condense it into one of those 5-minutedH video testimonials.  That's my 2-cent advice, if any Compaq folks happen
 to read this.    -- a Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comf   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:14:20 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS MarketingL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1206010014210001@user-2iveahd.dialup.mindspring.com>  E In article <6ggV6.1110$%f.1326335@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C.0+ Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:e  bK > Anything that sells GS-Series boxes helps OpenVMS marketing. The DecemberiI > NYC event and just one of the aforementioned events resulted in >5 sucha > sales.  I I suspect that more than payed the catering bill, even in the World Tradee Center.e  F I wonder if they get a discount on days when the place is so fogged-inD that the view consists, at good moments, of the other tower?  Nah, I didn't think so...  H There was a show of hands concerning which systems folks in the audienceH are using.  Only 1 or 2 GS-series.  Pretty conservative bunch of folks. H Nobody wants to go first.  Some of the folks I talked to have situations# that are just _begging_ for galaxy.w   -- t Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:11:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>S( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing, Message-ID: <3B25A449.7D6B03A6@videotron.ca>   Robert Deininger wrote: I > I know I saw CitiBank/CitiGroup nametags at the forum.  I believe I saw - > Deutche Bank as well, but I'm not positive.L  J Bankers Trust used to be quite a loyal VMS shop and had been involved withL developping some of the IBM interconnect software on VMS. So when I was toldK by an exec from that company that VMS was not going to survive, it had moreaN credibility than the exec from citibank's same story. I know that BT went nutsE over Lotus Notes and NT during that period. They spend a whole bundleaK replacing their whole desktop and server fleet to update to NT 4 as part ofI their Y2K project.  J > Most of their business does not come from the northernlight.com site andK > its ad revenues.  That's only 10 or 20%, if I remember the figures right.oD > Their big business is in data indexing and retrieval for corporate > customers.  A Thanks. so it is primarily a real business with a .dom sideline. m    J > Perhaps you think Krellenstein and the other folks at Northernlight were9 > tricked into VMS by some fiendish marketeers at Compaq.e  M No, it is obvious that any new shop that buys into VMS does so because it haslL a VMS bigot inside the organisation to push and defend that solution. But itN would be inetersting to find out how the "special" relationship was developpedJ with Compaq and what sort of deals are possible if you are willing to be a poster-boy for VMS marketing.I  N When I built a disaster tolerant site for a bank in canada back in 1992, I wasJ ignored by the local sales office and nobody knew it had been done. When IK look back at how many times Digital had used that Crdit Lyonnais story, if N they had been so desperate for reference sites, how come they didn't ask localH sales offices to tell them of customers with disaster tolerent systems ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:11:26 +0010r% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au ( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing5 Message-ID: <01K4OX2DEUDE001E6T@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    JF said (with snips):N  N >No, it is obvious that any new shop that buys into VMS does so because it hasM >a VMS bigot inside the organisation to push and defend that solution. But itSO >would be inetersting to find out how the "special" relationship was developped K >with Compaq and what sort of deals are possible if you are willing to be ai >poster-boy for VMS marketing.  N I believe that I am a VMS bigot.  But, I cannot even suspect why any new shop M would buy into VMS, there is no longer any defence of VMS as a solution.  In cO our area, we have lost MATLAB, PTI, ORACLE (for all their comments) and sundry a others.e  G Our corporate now lives on bill stuff and have moved to TRU64 for main sM applications (why did they bother to go to another Compaq solution, possibly hM because Compaq run our corporate IT services :-((((( ).  They believe few of d> our staff will ever have to leave MS Orifice to do their work.  L My area are lucky enough to not change away from VMS.  The only reasons are N that we have heavy investment of in-house CPU intensive software and we could P not "afford" the ports that could be expensive from our programs and .COM files P and critical.  The ES40 I manage runs at 400% CPU virtually every day (24 x 7 x P 350 or thereabouts) and it is critical that it does not have the same down-time ! as all the other bull-sh*t boxes.   O I know that when I shortly retire (I'm not a really tall person :-), this ES40 1P box will die.  It's a sort of cuddly feeling that I'm probably the last bastion * of VMS in the elec. industry in our state.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,t
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiab   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,h; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:11:55 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing+ Message-ID: <3B264D5A.F94687D@videotron.ca>h   Alan Greig wrote:dF > It does make perfect sense if the Compaq master plan continues to beF > to help Windows take over completely as Winkler helpfully told us itA > was in his little asides during the 2000 analysts presentation..  K Yes, of course. Compaq bought Digital's services department to help bolsterd its wintel business.F Look at the 2nd biggest computer company HP: what are they known for ?< Printers, PCs and yeah I think they still make Unix servers.  V What is Compaq known for ? Ipaq, PCs, and yeah, I think they still make Alpha servers.  N Winkler may havd told you he has seen religion, but to be actions speak louderM than words. It is very easy for Digital and now Compaq to say great things toRL try to reassure customers, but it is another one to actually enact these for more than a couple of months.3  L When I see Capellas on CNN Moneyline mention how Compaq's Alpha servers withN VMS, Tru64 and NSK differentiate Compaq from all the other box servers and putM in in the same league as IBM and HP, then I will beleive that Compaq might betM changing. Until then, they remain a box maker with a pesky sideline they wishd= they didn't have but can't get rid of because of the profits.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:35:09 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>D( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing, Message-ID: <3B2652CB.AA73BAFF@videotron.ca>   Jordan Henderson wrote:/G > >Bob Palmer supposedly admits in private that downplaying VMS was his % > >biggest single mistake at Digital.:  L Accepting the job as head of Digital was his biggest mistake. If the guy wasJ stupid enough to start a program to kill VMS without knowing that it wouldE milk Digital from its revenus, he should not have been given the job.   J And if he was given the job of killing VMS (and in fact killing Digital soM that it could be bought by another party), then Palmer could have refused thekN job on principle. The fact that he didn't means that he willingly participated in DEC's planned demise.  F Remember, the idiot admitted on CNN on the day the Compaq takeover wasM announced that he had been working for 3 years with Pfeiffer to shape Digital N in a way that Compaq wanted it. (eg: shedding all the stuff that Compaq wasn't interested in).    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:02:07 +0200-5 From: "GWDVMS::MOELLER" <moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de> : Subject: Re: Multiple UCX/TCPIP name servers in a cluster?. Message-ID: <E159j7n-0002oO-00@gwdu42.gwdg.de>  B Jason Fountain <Jason.Fountain@compaq.com> replied to my question: > GWDVMS::MOELLER wrote: >[...]6 > > So, is my idea correct that TCPIP V5.1 is required> > > in order to have multiple "BIND" servers within a cluster? > L > It is required for the use of multiple *master* servers to be *supported*.K > There is a tool to aid in setting it all up.  You could have done this ine4 > previous TCP/IP versions but you were on your own. > O > I don't think there was ever a restriction against having a master and slave eI > in the same cluster.  I just looked at some old V4.x docs and the only gG > restriction I see is "You can configure only one primary name server yK > per VMScluster system." (and same thing again with secondary substituted =8 > for primary)  But that is per system, not per cluster. >*? > There is definitely no such restriction for V5.0 and above.  eO > Only the lack of official support for multiple masters in a cluster until 5.1a  F Thanks. I can confirm that I never found a restriction in the docs ...  K But at least with UCX V4, attempts to configure/enable "BIND" name service oF on a 2nd system in a cluster fail, with UCX$CONFIG.COM translating the error status into ; 	"Another node in this cluster has already been configured"O7 	"as the Bind Server, and only one cluster node can be"0 	"configured as a bind server."a@ Since the same text is also in V5.0 TCPIP$CONFIG, I *guess* that8 only V5.1 permits configuring more than one name server.  N I could imagine that the use of private (SYS$SPECIFIC) UCX configuration filesK being a work-around, though I have no idea what consequences such a (highlye unsupported) setup might have.  M Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 201-1516/-1510, moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de-M GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany     |    Disclaimer: No claim intended!-M http://www.gwdg.de/~moeller/ ---- <moeller@gwdg.de> ---- <w.moeller@ieee.org>D   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:32:14 -0400s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)+ Subject: Re: NCP to NCL command equivilantsmL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1106012332140001@user-2iveahd.dialup.mindspring.com>  3 In article <bROJo$ApV3ft@eisner.encompasserve.org>,h. koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  E > In article <MOEAJKGGEIMGCCPEPJBHGECLEMAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>,.2 arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com> writes: > > I'll repost..t > > * > > To display corresponding NCL commands: > >  > > $ mcr net$mgmt > >  > E > Yep, found that.  Also found a list of identifiers (NET$EXAMINE and E > such) it will look for, but can't find the values those identifiers.B > should have.  Even the installation and setup scripts assume theD > identifiers already exist.  They don't on my system.  When I try a > random value, they fail. > 7 > Can someone post a list of working NET$* identifiers?S  G The first time I set up DECnet-plus, the installer failed to make thesesE identifiers for some reason I didn't figure out.  (I didn't realize IMI needed them until some time later.) They are facility-specific IDs, whichR( means you can't make them via AUTHORIZE.  A I ended up writing a little program that created the IDs, after IlE retreived them from another system where they were created correctly.u  : If you need it, I expect I can dig up the program I wrote.  J Actually, I found it first try, so I stuck it below.  I don't remember why I commented out NET$EXAMINE...     ADD_DECNET_PLUS_IDS.FOR :e  !       program add_decnet_plus_idsa@ c   This program uses the SYS$ADD_IDENT system service to createC c   the DECnet-Plus rights identifiers in the rights database.  Forn? c   unknown reasons, these IDs were created in the wrong rights-B c   database when DECnet-Plus was installed, and merging two filesC c   seems like too much trouble.  So I am creating the IDs by hand.e  : c   Note that these are facility-specific IDs, which means: c     1.  The numeric value of each ID is significant, and5 c     2.  The AUTHORIZE utility can't make these IDs. @ c   This is explained in the Programming Concepts manual, in the c   chapter on Security.  F c   These rights identifiers are described in "DECnet-Plus for OpenVMSG c   Network Management", section 7.1.  I obtained the correct ID values < c   from <expunged>, where the installation worked properly.  7       call add_id('NET$DECLAREOBJECT'     ,'91F50005'x)s7       call add_id('NET$DECNETACCESS'      ,'91F50007'x) 7       call add_id('NET$DIAGNOSE'          ,'91F50004'x)e7 !     call add_id('NET$EXAMINE'           ,'91F50001'x)c7       call add_id('NET$MANAGE'            ,'91F50002'x),7       call add_id('NET$POSTEVENT'         ,'91F50008'x)s7       call add_id('NET$REGISTERDNSOBJECT' ,'91F50006'x)r7       call add_id('NET$SECURITY'          ,'91F50003'x)o7       call add_id('NET$TRACEALL'          ,'91F50009'x)-7       call add_id('NET$TRACEALLREMOTE'    ,'91F5000B'x)r7       call add_id('NET$TRACEHEADERS'      ,'91F5000A'x):7       call add_id('NET$TRACEHEADERSREMOTE','91F5000C'x)9  )       end ! (program add_decnet_plus_ids) )       subroutine add_id(ID_name,ID_value) B c   This subroutine adds one specified rights ID, with the DYNAMIC c   attribute.         implicit none   H c----------------------------------------------------------------------+#       include '($syssrvnam)/nolist'u        include '($kgbdef)/nolist'H c----------------------------------------------------------------------+   c   Input arguments:       character*(*) ID_nameo       integer*4 ID_value   c   Local variable:V       integer*4 status  4       status = sys$add_ident(ID_name,%val(ID_value),2      &                       %val(kgb$m_dynamic),)       if (.not. status) then&          call lib$signal(%val(status))       endif:    9999 return       end ! (subroutine add_id)i   -- g Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comh   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2001 08:46:12 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: NCP to NCL command equivilants?3 Message-ID: <nMBBAqxeLeFU@eisner.encompasserve.org>t   In article <rdeininger-1106012332140001@user-2iveahd.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:t >  >  > ADD_DECNET_PLUS_IDS.FOR :g   Thanks, that does it.e  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupyE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:57:27 +0400rC From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <to-junk--laishev@mail.dls.net---to-junk>e+ Subject: Re: Need help with LIB$TABLE_PARSEt? Message-ID: <TysV6.4237$IA5.191853@e420r-atl3.usenetserver.com>i   Earl Lakia wrote:i >t= > Not sure what you are trying to do, but have you considered ; > STR$ELEMENT or the other string runtime library routines? 8         I'm need a parsing, not just a piece extraction.  4 > How about LEX and YACC?  I once had a version that > ran on OpenVMS.uI         I know about this, but I'd like to use the native VMS facilities.y  ? > I also once wrote a simple lexical parser and fed it into the 8 > DCL parser.  Of course, I was able to design the input8 > source with lots of "/" which you said weren't part of > the grammer.J         This parser is written by using LIB$TABLE_PARSE stuff? Can I get a
 copy ? :-) >h > -- > Earl Lakia > lakia@ipact.com  >r > "Ruslan R. Laishev" wrote: >w > >  Hello All, G > >         I'm need your advise or help, I'd like to use this stuff tom parse aB > > string like L > > "TokenA: bla-bla-1 TokenB: bla-bla-2" to extract bla-bla-1 and bla-bla-2 as > > "values"I > > of the tokens (TokenA and TokenB). Can someone write or explain to mel what
 > > is the > > parser's table must be ?   -- Cheers, Ruslan.s? +----------------pure personal opinion------------------------+o9     RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.radiusvms.comf6       vms-isps@dls.net - Forum for ISP running OpenVMS)                 Mobile: +7 (901) 971-32225   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:53:54 +0200 5 From: Eckhard Wich <eckhard_wich@deutsche-boerse.com>i Subject: Re: NYSEf3 Message-ID: <3B25F4C2.2E6B21A6@deutsche-boerse.com>u   Christof Brass schrieb:m   > Scott Vieth wrote: > >Rq > > "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message news:<vk5U6.432190$fs3.68102873@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>...iQ > > > Anybody know what kind of computer system the New York Stock Exchange uses? Q > > > All trading has been halted due to a "computer glitch".  Of course that cou  > > > ld mean almost anything. > >nE > > I was thinking exactly the same thing this morning when I saw the 8 > > news.  I hope the problem was not with a VMS system. > >dH > > One of the four exchanges in Chicago runs on VMS.  I know one of theF > > other ones in Chi-town(CBOT?) made a big deal out of the fact that# > > they're running the show on NT.  > >?
 > > -Scott >tA > CBOT is VMS, SWX Swiss Exchange trading system they co-operate.f  = Not to forget EUREX. They form "a/c/e" - Aliance CBoT, EUREX.c  I See www.deutsche-boerse.com and www.cbot.com for first-hand informations.t    ) Things are weird if you are wired .. -ew-g   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:48:33 +0200-5 From: Eckhard Wich <eckhard_wich@deutsche-boerse.com>: Subject: Re: NYSE 3 Message-ID: <3B25F381.87BD7F46@deutsche-boerse.com>:  & --Boundary_(ID_ABUL/ZRoQq40uqY8PR6sGQ) Content-type: text/plain       Christof Brass schrieb:e  A > CBOT is VMS, SWX Swiss Exchange trading system they co-operate.v  = Not to forget EUREX. They form "a/c/e" - Aliance CBoT, EUREX.r  I See www.deutsche-boerse.com and www.cbot.com for first-hand informations.p    ) Things are weird if you are wired .. -ew-S    & --Boundary_(ID_ABUL/ZRoQq40uqY8PR6sGQ) Content-type: text/htmlo  > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> &nbsp; <p>Christof Brass schrieb:I <blockquote TYPE=CITE>CBOT is VMS, SWX Swiss Exchange trading system theyl co-operate.</blockquote>= Not to forget EUREX. They form "a/c/e" - Aliance CBoT, EUREX.ce <p>See <a href="http://deutsche-boerse.com/INTERNET/EXCHANGE/index_e.htm">www.deutsche-boerse.com</a>hV and <a href="http://www.cbot.com/cbot/www/page/0,1398,21+288,00.html">www.cbot.com</a>" for first-hand informations.&nbsp;
 <br>&nbsp;, <p>Things are weird if you are wired .. -ew- <br>&nbsp;</html>l  ( --Boundary_(ID_ABUL/ZRoQq40uqY8PR6sGQ)--   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:29:20 -0000d- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)  Subject: Re: NYSEh/ Message-ID: <ticdag3pq3sfc1@news.supernews.com>i  ' jnixon@cfl.rr.com (john nixon) wrote ine5 <vk5U6.432190$fs3.68102873@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>: o  F >Anybody know what kind of computer system the New York Stock ExchangeI >uses? All trading has been halted due to a "computer glitch".  Of coursee" >that cou ld mean almost anything. >a >s  E I met with some of the NYSE OpenVMS guys some months ago. This group oH maintained the code that executed trades for a range of commodities.  I I came away with the impression that they run an extremely tight ship, and aK that their testing/QA group was extremely thorough (almost to the point of  A fault).  But I'm not sure if this was where the failure happened.-   ws   -- -1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>    Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:03:23 -0300t) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bri Subject: Re: OpenVMS v7.3uL Message-ID: <OF75432CD1.25F95F25-ON03256A69.003CA869@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  F I am not using Control-M but I will use Connect:Direct  to migrate the	 databasessB from RDB to  Oracle/SAP ! ! ! So lets make contact in the future !   Regardsh   FC        ; "Pete" <peter@pahpc.freeserve.co.uk> em 11/06/2001 18:14:10u  6 Favor responder a "Pete" <peter@pahpc.freeserve.co.uk>             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt       Assunto: OpenVMS v7.3      Hi,mK     we are currently about to embark on an upgrade process to get our AlphaeJ systems up to OVMS V7.3. Does anyone out there use BMC's Control-M (LatestJ Ver fd3802 I'm told ) and Sterling S/W's Connect:Direct (V3.1-00) and have U(! had any problems with OVMS V7.3 ?        Tia     Pete.t   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2001 12:04:33 -05009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)e/ Subject: Re: Problem with JUMP from FREEWARE CDa3 Message-ID: <bGFdqcJkZBGf@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  c In article <3B24BBBD.3FFC7218@CCAgroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes:l > Bob Kaplow wrote:  >>  A >> Has any one used JUMP from the OpenVMS Freeware (thanks Hoff!)o > A > Yes, we use it successfully on Alpha 7.1, installed as follows:t  K Which version are you using? 3.0 or 3.4? (although both seem to be behaving  the same way...)  # > DISK$CLUSTER:<CLUSTER.SYSEXE>.EXE 7 >    JUMP;4           Open          Prv            AcntP( >         Entry access count         = 1, >         Current / Maximum shared   = 0 / 1> >         Privileges = CMKRNL CMEXEC SYSNAM IMPERSONATE SYSPRV$ > (impersonate was formerly detach).  ) $ INSTAL LIST JUMP_ROOT:[000000]JUMP /FULa   AXPUTIL:<JUMP.000000>.EXEo*    JUMP;2           Open Hdr Shared   Prv '         Entry access count         = 10 *         Current / Maximum shared   = 1 / 1&         Global section count       = 1D         Privileges = CMKRNL CMEXEC SYSNAM IMPERSONATE SYSPRV BYPASS D         Authorized = CMKRNL CMEXEC SYSNAM IMPERSONATE SYSPRV BYPASS   D (I've added BYPASS while debugging. It doesn't seem to have made any difference)h   > Causes of ss$_nopriv exit:J > 1. Lack of one of the above 5 privs. Are you installed with these privs,J > using the installed copy OK (directory aliases can sometimes prevent use > of an installed image).d   Yes.  5 > 2. A disallowed jump (audited in JUMP_AUDIT_TRAIL /HH > sys$manager:jump_audit.dat). Note the other reply about requiring exec > mode logical names.t  > Already posted, but the lines in the audit file all look like:  T 08-JUN-2001 14:47:43 KAPLOW PRIV violation: JUMP KAPLOWRO MARS::KAPLOWRO RTA1: RTA1:  A > 3. JUMP-F-MUSTAUDIT. Unprivileged users trying to use /noaudit. 1 > 4. JUMP-F-RESTRICT. Restricted/captive account.t' > 5. JUMP-F-DISABLED. Disabled account.e  I I did see these three messages in the source code. I'm not getting any ofm9 them, either at the JUMPing terminal, or in the log file.d  F > The last three all write a log message to sys$output (which could beH > overwritten on a terminal if you're unlucky) - try defining sys$output= > (or pas$output) to be sure of capturing whatever's written.yA > A failure to write to the audit file would get you a crash withs > %PAS-F-whatever.E > It should be possible to distinguish which of the above 5 cases youz > have.e  H Still nothing! Just the NOPRIV line. Even with the little (about zero) IL know of PASCAL, I tried to hack the source code to add text to the first twoF NOPRIV messages, but couldn't get it to link afterwards. I'll try this again.  D > I've done some work on jump for my own purposes, and emailed it toG > Jonathan Ridler, but I've had no response. If the above doesn't help,SH > and the author can't or won't respond, I use Pascal & would be willing' > to help, if you give me more details.   J My one email to Jonathan came back with a note from the postmaster that he- wasn't there any more. Thanks for your offer.d   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2001 13:54:02 -0500+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)d( Subject: Program to emulate HTTPs POSTs?3 Message-ID: <KchTFd7t62+3@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  C Does anyone know of a handy standalone 3GL program to do HTTP POSTsaA via SSL?   I'm looking to find a program to test some forms on my B Apache webserver (CSWS V1.1) running on VMS (G7.3).  I'm trying to7 emulate someone filling out a form on a secure webpage.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:55:06 +0100s  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com* Subject: Re: Steve Hoffman- Support of UCXH Message-ID: <OF63A40FDE.F3224AFC-ON80256A69.0035E5AF@qedi.quintiles.com>  K I'd suspect that Hoff is right in (dare I say) "corporate" terms _and_ thatoE the support site is right for those countries that appear to have theuK resources to do local support of the product.  This was indeed the case foraI VMS v7.1-1H2.  Engineering support finished during 2000 but local supportsK in the UK has continued.  If there's a fix (like "Upgrade") then you'll getrH a fix suggested, if there's an overwhelming showstopping problem then itH _might_ get fixed but it's not guaranteed and it depends who you talk to and what their workload is.e  D The problem that one finds (in my experience) with locally supportedK products and with Compaq TCP/IP Services (a.k.a. UCX) is that if you have a E problem the first response from the support people is "Upgrade to theoH latest version and see if that fixes it".  You pays your money and takes your choice.   Steve.   Chris Casey wrote: >>>rH Steve - in your session in London you stated that support for UCX 4.2 on# VMS7* would be terminating in July.i' This is indeed repeated on your slides.w  H I have checked the prior version support site for this product and it is; marked as 'no date defined' for the termination of support.rI Did you simply mean that it was moving to prior version or is the supportc site wrong?x <<<a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:41:44 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t$ Subject: Streaming of multiple files, Message-ID: <3B25AB7A.BB117C07@videotron.ca>  C One can issue a command such as print header.ps,main.ps,trailer.ps mM and the print job looks as if all three files had been seamlesly concatenatedd and printed as a single unit.t  M Is there a way on VMS to make an application think that its input stream is a~@ single file even though the data is coming from multiple files ?  K In other words, must the application handle the end of file from each file,iL close that file and open the next file, or is there a way for VMS to do that: transparently so that the application sees only one file ?   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2001 11:30:56 -0500& From: Charles Sebold <sebold@lcms.org>B Subject: Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS), Message-ID: <m37kyhk6db.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>  ( On 20 Sivan 5761, Bill Gunshannon wrote:  G >|> Some source code packages seem to be only readily available in .RPM  >|> format.  > E > Linux mindset.  It only shows a definite desire to keep the code as A > non-portable as possible. (So much for the GNU/GPL philosophy.)i  B I have been working with Unix for several years (and Linux for 3-4F years), and I have never found source code in RPM format only.  But as: you say, it is fairly easy to turn it into something else.  C It doesn't suggest a desire to keep the code nonportable; it merelytC shows that the developers don't care about portability - that's notnB quite the same thing.  They don't know anything about VMS, and theG reason for that brings us full circle to Compaq's problems.  These daysiE a lot of things don't compile even on run-of-the-mill UNIX systems ifsC they're not Linux - I am amazed at the patches necessary to use thedH package system in NetBSD to compile source code.  It all seems like it's trying to fix Linux-isms.r  A As for the GNU/GPL philosophy, one may note that software that isEC actually considered part of GNU (which is mostly on their site) allnE comes in tar.gz's, which are fairly portable.  I'm not sure I've ever G seen an RPM (or a Debian .deb package, or anything else) on their site.oF It's the distributions that bastardize the source code, and cause most of the problems.  F Just because people release their software under the GPL (and many do,@ ignorant of what it means) doesn't meant they speak for the Free> Software Foundation, or can be used as examples of the GNU/GPL philosophy.D -- iH Charles Sebold                                       21st of Sivan, 5761>       Systems Specialist, LCMS - Office of Information Systems=         *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***s=         *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***c -- Tech Support excuse #347:c   The rubber band brokex   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2001 06:38:48 -0700' From: chris_c_essex@hotmail.com (Chris) ( Subject: Training sites for vms training= Message-ID: <c190ca4b.0106120538.14a7b96d@posting.google.com>0  F I'm looking for some web sites that will provide intermediate training for VMS.C I've looked at several sites but to no avail. What I need is a siteE  that will show how dec/vms works2 plus help on using the commands at a system level.   Thanks for any help provided.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:24:19 -040093 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com>5) Subject: Re: Weblogic/BEA On OpenVMS XML?R3 Message-ID: <ZwqV6.1369$fi2.39218@news.cpqcorp.net>E  I Cindy Feinberg (Cindy.Feinberg@BEA.com) is the Global Account Manager for I Compaq at BEA and Tariq Nazeer (Tariq.Nazeer@compaq.com) is the eBusinessiK Segment Manager in OpenVMS who is responsible for the BEA relationship. The-B three of us have been working together since the recently enhancedG relationship between BEA and OpenVMS was announced. I believe Cindy has L responded directly to some of the people who have posted issues here. In theK future, if you have any issues or problems with any BEA products on OpenVMS # please contact Cindy, Tariq, or me.    -- Gaitan D'Antoni=. Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderC http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.htmlh   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:22:29 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>D  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change, Message-ID: <3B264FD4.75E72871@videotron.ca>   David Beatty wrote:5H > Weathermen cannot accurately predict the weather five days in advance,G > what makes you think we can accurately predict what's going to happeng > in 100 years?<  N They may not be able to predict what will happen in 5 days, but they know whatS happened yesterday and can derive statistics that show changes in recent years etc.   F When you look at temperature records, you'll find that a statistically? significant number of records have been broken in recent times.e  M Granted, you may not be able to prove that the recent changes in climate were L caused by pollution, but when you know that pollution can cause such changesL and you know that we produce a lot of pollution on earth, it would be unwise= to dismiss global warming just because you are not 100% sure.j  M Global warming is not like the OJ Simpson trial. OJ may have gotten away withrN murder and in the grand scheme of things it won't have any great effect on theN world. But dismissing global warming on the same type of "since we're not 100%M sure, we have to dismiss this issue". The stakes are too high to dismiss that W issue, and they are far higher than just the short term profits of texas oil companies.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:19:59 -0400r5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>   Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change2 Message-ID: <CE0mO+HC7uPozKnumtrjpOrcJ4dm@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:39:36 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>b wrote:  1 >On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:23:29 -0400, David Beatty * ><David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote: >s >>C >>    The idea of playing it safe (the often misused "precautionarydC >>principle") to save the planet from alleged global warming causedkH >>by human factors is not appealing since it would likely be ruinous for; >>the U.S. economy and stall economic development globally.B >CE >Nobody ever said it was "appealing". However it probably would *not*eF >be ruinous for the US economy, It might be ruinous for Big Oil but inC >reality probably won't be as Big Oil is quietly working on various D >assumptions as to the future that do not match some of their public >statements. Yet...  >iB >And when it comes down to a choice between "likely ruining the USB >economy" (your words although I disagree) or possibly ruining theF >world. I need to be damn certain that the second alternative will notG >happen before picking the first. And even you aren't damn certain from  >what I can see.  B     No, I'm not 100% certain.  However, since the Kyoto supporters; estimate the amount of climate change to be -0.07C if it isd> implemented, do you think it's worth the economic impact, thus/ affecting lifestyle and likely life expectancy?c   >O? >We probably have a maximum of 50 years or so of oil at currentaG >consumption according to oil industry figures. Whether it is renewable F >power or nuclear power we need to address this now (never mind globalF >warming) and assuming everyone interested is a commie tree hugger out% >to destroy the US is no way forward.f >e  A     I've been trying to find a quote from one of the IPCC memberst= (and have not found it yet) that stated global climate changea= was an inexact science and was not the only consideration forEB implementing the treaty, the implication being that it would allow: developing countries to economically compete in the global' economy.  I'll continue to hunt for it.    >>
 >>Dr. Dave >>E >>On Sat, 02 Jun 2001 22:55:21 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>: >>wrote: >> >>>  >>>s >>>David Beatty wrote: >>>u7 >>>> I can't let this one go ... see my comments below.G >>>> >>>- >>>Neither can I...  >>>i >>>>9 >>>>     The science of global climate change is anything  >>>> but certain.a >>>>6 >>>>     The temperature models that show warming over8 >>>> the last 100 years do not adequately take the urban% >>>> heat island affect into account.s >>>>@ >>>>     Even if the planet is warming, it is most likely normal9 >>>> planetary weather cycles or sunspots and not induced < >>>> by human activity.  Not only that, warming would likely< >>>> have more positive effects on the planet than negative.5 >>>> Most warming would likely come from higher nightk: >>>> temperatures and would make additional land available >>>> for farming.< >>>fY >>>Sorry but you are giving a view held by less than 10% of climate scientists right now.nX >>>While the factors you mention certainly do come into play the majority view says thatW >>>it *is* likely we are seriously overheating the planet and that negative cosequences X >>>will outweigh any positives. Strikes me that this is one area where we should play it >>>safe.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:46:15 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change, Message-ID: <3B265564.C8165054@videotron.ca>  $ system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote:I > Encouraging companies to buy and install new energy efficient equipmentcF > on an accellerated schedual via regulation and tax breaks, improvingA > mass transit, exploring ways of supporting new fuels (it may be D > most efficient to use methane or methanol as a fuel in fuel cells)F > reopening research into safe nuclear power (and safer reprocessing),D > finding ways to encourage developing countries to start with clean > technologies...i  K And many of the above would actually stimulate the economy. Buses and othernM rapid transit equipment would be purchased instead of cars. Lots of R&R wouldGN happen with new "soft" energy, and this would increase spending in many areas.M For instance, if you look at the solar power inductry in California, I bet itm! is doing very well this summer.  -  L Solar panels on your roof may not produce megawatts of power, but on a grandH scale, if this becomes very popular, would generate a sizeable amount ofL electricity. There is a lot of stuff that can easily be done many times on a2 small scale instead of doing one huge giant plant.  B What steps to minimize global warming will do is shift spending toN new/different industries. So you have to question anyone who thinks that KyotoL would ruin the economy because they may have a vested interest in protecting: those industries that will not benefit from such a change.  L On the other hand, much of the solar power manufacturing is already owned by! the large petroleum corporations.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:54:54 -0400g; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>s2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?$ Message-ID: <3b261f59$1@news.si.com>  D >And if warmed temperatures cause gaciers that are near the shore to >calve  K Moo!  Where's Billy Crystal when you need him?  (Remember "City Slickers"?)i -- eA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com,A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comw= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventa< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:14:22 +0200I7 From: "Martin.Knoblauch" <Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de>p2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?+ Message-ID: <3B2623BE.9EA37A69@TeraPort.de>a   David Beatty wrote:  >  > > C > >The consequences of Bush's "strategy" are 1000 new nuclear powerwB > >stations within the USA and exploration and exploitation of oil; > >fields in Alaska with destroying protected nature areas.a > . > No new nuclear plants have been commissioned9 > in the U.S. in the last 20 years and nuclear technologyl7 > has advanced tremendously in that time.  A great dealX$ > of the power in Europe is nuclear. >   F  In Germany, the government and the power-producers yesterday signed aE contract that will end nuclear power generation in about 20-25 years.nB While debatable, a [not neccessarily overwhelming] majority of theH german people are opposed to nuclear power. So are the people in most of' Europe, except maybe France and the UK.t   Martin -- nB ------------------------------------------------------------------B Martin Knoblauch         |    email:  Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de7 TeraPort GmbH            |    Phone:  +49-89-510857-309o7 C+ITS                    |    Fax:    +49-89-510857-11185 http://www.teraport.de   |    Mobile: +49-170-4904759    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:39:11 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?, Message-ID: <3B2653BC.576A08E6@videotron.ca>   "Martin.Knoblauch" wrote:tH >  In Germany, the government and the power-producers yesterday signed aG > contract that will end nuclear power generation in about 20-25 years.   N This is actually quire easy to implement. Nuclear power plants start to cost aL lot more in maintenance when they get older and become uneconomical. OntarioL Hydro almost went bankrupt partly because of the cost of operating 2 nuclearJ plants (Bruce and Pickering) which started to require major repairs dur to burst pipes etc etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:32:11 -0400 0 From: Sheldon Bishov <sheldon.bishov@compaq.com>$ Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.1] some rants) Message-ID: <3B2635FB.2C7D534@compaq.com>.     Peter,  M >2) The TCPIP$SNMP user is defined in UAF with prio 8. A looping SNMP processbP >(the TCPIP$OS_MIBS did it here so far twice, once on a VAX and once on a Alpha) >leads to a unusable system. > H >Is there any reason, why the priority of this processes must be as highH >as obviously the default is ? Lowering the prio to 2 - as I did - curesL >the symptoms - an unusable system - but does not solve the problem (looping	 >process)5S The idea of priority 8 by default for all service processes is to avoid a situation  whereOP interactive user can hold up servicing a network requests.  This design decision wasdN made years ago, before my involvement with SNMP, maybe when group did not have* someone at least partly dedicated to SNMP.  D On a system with little interactive use, or where delay in servicingM SNMP requests is no issue, lowering priority causes no harm.  I do understanda# that this is not the primary issue.    > ? >Why is the TCPIP$OS_MIBS process looping and how to find out ?fA One possibility is to try a run with debug.  In 5.0 unfortunatelyn- the only way is to do pipe or screen capture.    Outline of steps:t  " $ @sys$startup:Tcpip$snmp_shutdownI In two separate windows run master and os_mibs subagent (if problems witha3 pipe, run with output to tt and do screen capture):o  - $ pipe mcr tcpip$esnmp_server -t > master.loguA (since problem not in master agent you might want to omit the -t)a and in separate window( $ pipe mcr tcpip$os_mibs -trace > os.log  Q So far as location of SNMP and other service directories,  this is another designtL decision made years ago.  As resources and other work permit, engineering isM re-evaluating a number of setup/config items. One guideline was that servicesoO where function common to a cluster were in sys$sysdevice, those specific to onenQ node were (logically) in sys$specific.  This resulted in wrong category for snmp,sD which really is specific to node (at least through current release).  K I'll be interested in results from trace on looping problem, appreciate theo suggestions.   Sheldon Bishov' TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Engineeringe   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.324 ************************