1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 15 Jun 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 329       Contents:A Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com A Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com A Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com P Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - summary of findings from www.compaqworkinggroup.org w Re: 7.3 in .au Re: 7.3 in .au RE: 7.3 in .au Re: Adding a CPU ANN: FIXUP_IMAGE V2.0  Change of address  Re: Change of address  DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  RE: Disk Farm Problem  Re: Disk Farm Problem  Re: Disk Farm Problem % Re: FTP Server probelems with UCX 4.1 9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 9 RE: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 8 Re: I'm just a "pup"! Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses! IP terminal server and TCPIP 5.0A   Re: It's a VMS anniversary today  Re: It's a VMS anniversary today1 Re: Kernel Stack Not Valid (was: Odd System Halt) 1 Re: Kernel Stack Not Valid (was: Odd System Halt) " Re: Need help with LIB$TABLE_PARSE2 Re: No license is active for this software product7 Re: openVMS concurrent user licences (v7.2 on MicroVAX) 7 Re: openVMS concurrent user licences (v7.2 on MicroVAX)  Re: OpenVMS v7.3 Re: OpenVMS v7.3 and TCPIP V5.1  Re: OT: I'm just a "pup"! < Re: OT: I'm just a "pup"! Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses< Re: OT: I'm just a "pup"! Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses& Re: Registration for CETS2001 -- when? Re: set ho/mop Re: set ho/mop2 Shadowed system disk upgrade procedure - VMS 5.5-26 Re: Shadowed system disk upgrade procedure - VMS 5.5-2 Re: vms maintenance utility  Re: vms maintenance utility  Re: vms maintenance utility & Re: www.openvms.compaq.com and KeyLime& Re: www.openvms.compaq.com and KeyLime Re: [OT] Climate change   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 14 Jun 2001 13:37:53 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.563109.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell) J Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com. Message-ID: <aDLqsoX791tK@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  r In article <QqSV6.2021$%f.1749349@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:> > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3B27B2D4.7E3B52C0@fsi.net...  >> "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: >> >M >> > No complaints have been heard from the ITUG (Himalaya NSK) constituency.  >>1 >> Is there a Netscape for NSK? ...other browser?  > M > Not that I know of... I think all the NSK types use Windoze peecees and the & > like for non mission-critical stuff. > N > Which is probably just as well: ya don't want a Netscape crash bringing down& > AOL or a 911 system or stock market.    O Surely that isn't an issue.  Netscape crashes certainly don't bring down my vms O systems.  No way, no how.  One would hope that nsk systems would be at least as K protected as that.  The acronym *does* contain Non Stop, does it not?  If a 8 browser crash could kill it, a rename would be required.   --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== K Hotel guy (after bed demolition):  That bed goes back to Henry the eighth!! O    Curly: That's nothin'!  We had a bed go back to Sears and Roebuck the fifth!    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:44:38 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> J Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com, Message-ID: <3B296885.EC0A3965@videotron.ca>   Wayne Sewell wrote: Q > Surely that isn't an issue.  Netscape crashes certainly don't bring down my vms Q > systems.  No way, no how.  One would hope that nsk systems would be at least as M > protected as that.  The acronym *does* contain Non Stop, does it not?  If a : > browser crash could kill it, a rename would be required.    N If Netscape can crash decwindows, I would consider it crashing the system.  OnN a workstation where the major function is providing a user interface, crashingL the decwindows means that the workstation becomes unusable until you restartI the software. The average user wouldn't know how to login through another S machine to restart decwindows on his workstation. So reboot is the easier solution.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:13:34 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>J Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com; Message-ID: <y3fW6.2425$%f.2146717@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   : "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message# news:3B288D42.36BD811A@bbc.co.uk...  >  >  > Christopher Smith wrote: >  > > L > > Well, you do realize that MicroVMS was more or less just VAX/VMS without the L > > dependence on the hardware PDP-11 emulation?  At least, this is what I'm > > told...  > >  > > Regards, > >  > >  > H > It was also missing drivers for bigger VAXen I seem to recall, to keep > the disk footprint down. >   L Just as well. You ever load the 43 or so floppies that constituted MicroVMS?2 The sector error ALWAYS occurred on Disk 42 or 43!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:30:07 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> Y Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - summary of findings from www.compaqworkinggroup.org w , Message-ID: <3B293AEF.94A15206@infopuls.com>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:     Thanks for this profund summary.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:45:11 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  Subject: Re: 7.3 in .au 5 Message-ID: <01K4SFYLRJAA001IRU@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    Haaaa,  M Yesterday lunchtime, I received June ConDist.  (Yes Rob, Pathworks 6.0D is on  it).  L Still no 7.3, and from earlier messages I got the impression that the OS CD 9 would be out before the ConDist.  Perhaps I should check.   F Another thing I found interesting was that updates now seem to get an  alphabetic increment.   J I haven't yet had time to load and read the release notes, but I see that L Fortran 7.4 is now 7.4A and DECset 12.4 is 12.4A (it also looks as if PCA is  , the only component which has been modified).  G The C compiler has had an integer point increment, does the alphabetic  J increment imply some teensie weensi mod?  And how come Rob's Pathworks has got  to D?    Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia    Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  E Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most  people, ; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:47:16 GMT - From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>  Subject: Re: 7.3 in .au 0 Message-ID: <3B293EEE.FB9ECA07@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:C > Just checked the V7.3 docs and they show PW6.0D being part of the  > distribution.   G And mandatory before upgrading to 7.3.  Performed both on Alpha without 	 incident.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:56:59 +1000 , From: Malcolm Wade <Malcolm.Wade@asx.com.au> Subject: RE: 7.3 in .au H Message-ID: <A8854B7F33E5D3119FDA00508B6A8C6305232783@ASX235.asx.com.au>  K We just received the OpenVMS VAX 7.3 source listings but as yet, no Condist 
 or v7.3 kits.    > -----Original Message-----' > From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au * > [mailto:paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au]' > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:17 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: 7.3 in .au  >  > < > Having seen these various messages about 7.3 appearing in  > disparate parts of  > > the world, and reading Alan Greig's sob story, I am tempted  > to ask whether any  < > folk in .au have yet received 7.3 and/or the June ConDist? > = > I'll also throw in another quick question (not having seen   > the release notes).   = > Can 7.3 DECstation co-exist in a cluster with a VAXstation   > still at 6.2?  I  < > don't really need to upgrade my VAX, it's used mainly for  > transport of a debug  F > window from my Alpha development machine and to receive my VMS mail. > 6 > And both workstations sit on my desk :-)  No PeeCee  > :-)))))))))))  (What's the  + > emoticon for dancing and clapping hands?)  >  > Regards, Paddy >  > Paddy O'Brien, > Transmission Development,  > TransGrid, > PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  > NSW 2000, Australia  >  > Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 > Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050( > Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au > ? > Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work   > for most people,= > but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:42:54 -0700 0 From: "William S. LaCounte" <vmsmanager@ups.edu> Subject: Re: Adding a CPU # Message-ID: <3B2913BD.1ED7@ups.edu>   B You will have to move the license for the additional cpu from your& test server to your production server.   Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:42:17 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>  Subject: ANN: FIXUP_IMAGE V2.03 Message-ID: <3B2921A9.6B317BE5@applied-synergy.com>   G The FIXUP_IMAGE utility edits an image's shareable information to allow 3 that image to execute on an earlier version of VMS.   9 	http://www.applied-synergy.com/freeware/fixup_image.html    Enjoy!  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:31:07 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com  Subject: Change of addressD Message-ID: <OFE50AB40B.BE9D08C1-ON88256A6B.00760A8A@foundation.com>  I I'm leaving Health Net today, so if anyone needs to contact me I'll be on J Shane underbar S at pacbell dot net. I probably won't be surfing the groupJ for a while either, so please send anything for me direct to that address. Cheers all, back soon.   Shane    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 01:41:45 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>  Subject: Re: Change of address, Message-ID: <3B294BB9.E0D8E97A@infopuls.com>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > K > I'm leaving Health Net today, so if anyone needs to contact me I'll be on L > Shane underbar S at pacbell dot net. I probably won't be surfing the groupL > for a while either, so please send anything for me direct to that address. > Cheers all, back soon. >  > Shane   
 Good luck! Happy to see you back soon.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:37:44 -0500 (CDT) & From: Drew Shelton <drew@sematech.org>$ Subject: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3- Message-ID: <01K4RC12NAZ8005HFK@SEMATECH.Org>    This 2-line command procedure:  % $ define/nolog test$input sys$command + $ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input string   L prompts for an input string as expected on VMS 7.1-2 and 7.2-1.  But on 7.3, I get this:   % $ define/nolog test$input sys$command + $ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input string C %DCL-W-UNDFIL, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical name   K I first noticed this when I tried to register a new license after upgrading L to 7.3.  VMSLICENSE.COM goes into what appears to be an infinite loop tryingJ to read from the logical BOOT$INPUT, which is defined to SYS$COMMAND.  HasF anyone else seen this?  Makes me wonder if there was a problem with my upgrade that I didn't notice.    Drew  L ============================================================================6 Drew Shelton                         drew@sematech.org9 VMS Systems Manager                  office: 512-356-7575 9 Sematech                             fax:    512-356-7600  2706 Montopolis Drive K Austin, TX 78741-6499                I speak for myself only, not Sematech. B     "OpenVMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT v8.0 to be!"I                                                         - Compaq, 9/22/98 L ============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:11:44 -0400 0 From: paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson)( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3P Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-1406011611440001@dhcp-16-21-34-107.eng.lkg.dec.com>  : In article <01K4RC12NAZ8005HFK@SEMATECH.Org>, Drew Shelton <drew@sematech.org> wrote:   >But on 7.3, I get this: > & >$ define/nolog test$input sys$command, >$ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input stringD >%DCL-W-UNDFIL, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical name  / That doesn't happen here on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3:   (    $ define/nolog test$input sys$command.    $ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input string    Testing:    Paul   --  
 Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering  Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jun 2001 20:20:02 GMT2 From: ken.s.robinson@exxonmobil.com (Ken Robinson)( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.38 Message-ID: <Xns90C0A62746B53ksrobinerenjcom@159.70.1.1>  E paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson) wrote in <paul.r.anderson- 4 1406011611440001@dhcp-16-21-34-107.eng.lkg.dec.com>:  ; >In article <01K4RC12NAZ8005HFK@SEMATECH.Org>, Drew Shelton  ><drew@sematech.org> wrote:  >  >>But on 7.3, I get this:  >>' >>$ define/nolog test$input sys$command - >>$ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input string E >>%DCL-W-UNDFIL, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical name  > 0 >That doesn't happen here on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3: > ) >   $ define/nolog test$input sys$command / >   $ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input string  >   Testing: >  >Paul  >   , It happens on our DS10 (just updated to 7.3)  % $ define/nolog test$input sys$command + $ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input string C %DCL-W-UNDFIL, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical name    Ken Robinson   ------------------------------   Date: 14 JUN 2001 20:23:21 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> ( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.32 Message-ID: <14JUN01.20232184@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  1 paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson) wrote: < > In article <01K4RC12NAZ8005HFK@SEMATECH.Org>, Drew Shelton > <drew@sematech.org> wrote: >    > >But on 7.3, I get this: > > ( > >$ define/nolog test$input sys$command. > >$ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input stringF > >%DCL-W-UNDFIL, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical name >   1 > That doesn't happen here on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3:  >   * >    $ define/nolog test$input sys$command0 >    $ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input string
 >    Testing:  >    > Paul  G It's not obvious from your posting whether the "$" lines are in a .COM? C I believe the original poster stated that the problem was executing ! those inside a command procedure.    Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:29:38 -0400 0 From: paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson)( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3P Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-1406011629380001@dhcp-16-21-34-107.eng.lkg.dec.com>  A In article <14JUN01.20232184@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave Greenwood  <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote:   I > It's not obvious from your posting whether the "$" lines are in a .COM?2E > I believe the original poster stated that the problem was executing-# > those inside a command procedure.o  M They weren't, but I created a command procedure and the results are the same.       $ create kaka.com(    $ define/nolog test$input sys$command.    $ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input string    ^Zo
    $ @kaka    Testing:    Paul   --  
 Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering  Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:34:46 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.36 Message-ID: <1010614223227.47251B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  > Tried the same thing both interactively and inside a .com file2 on VAX 3600 VMS V7.3 and it worked fine both ways.  . There must be something weird about your DS10?  , (Don't have V7.3 on an Alpha yet to try it.)    ) On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Paul Anderson wrote:   C > In article <14JUN01.20232184@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave Greenwoodu > <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote:s > K > > It's not obvious from your posting whether the "$" lines are in a .COM?'G > > I believe the original poster stated that the problem was executing"% > > those inside a command procedure.  > O > They weren't, but I created a command procedure and the results are the same.: >  >    $ create kaka.com* >    $ define/nolog test$input sys$command0 >    $ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input string >    ^Zd >    $ @kaka
 >    Testing:d >  > Paul >  > --   > Paul Andersonk >  OpenVMS Engineering >  Compaq Computer Corporation >  >    --   John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jun 2001 14:22:45 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)7 Subject: RE: Disk Farm Problem3 Message-ID: <y+tMtgePI9lZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>"   In article <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B151B@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>, "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> writes: > Hi,eF > 	are there any HW errors logged or just mount verify's.  Anything on  > the HSZ console output or FMU? >    	HSZ70>  RUN FMU 	FMU>    SHOW LAST MOST_RECENT
 	FMU>    EXITa  / Might help if you aren't too familiar with FMU.e   				Robm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:53:21 -0700C. From: Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> Subject: Re: Disk Farm Problem( Message-ID: <3B29243A.6108E4F0@vmmc.org>  0 The HSZ70s FMU utility has not shown any errors.   Rob Young wrote:   > In article <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B151B@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>, "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> writes: > > Hi,9M > >       are there any HW errors logged or just mount verify's.  Anything oni" > > the HSZ console output or FMU? > >m >i >         HSZ70>  RUN FMUe' >         FMU>    SHOW LAST MOST_RECENTr >         FMU>    EXIT > 1 > Might help if you aren't too familiar with FMU.i >a% >                                 Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:50:33 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: Disk Farm Problem+ Message-ID: <3B2977F9.A0FF2487@bigfoot.com>   L Check termination and connections on the host bus of the HSZ.  Make sure youL don't have any bent pins or flaky/fault connectors - especially the tri-link
 connector.   HM   Jack Trachtman wrote:w   > OpenVMS V7.1-1H2 > Alphaserver 8400I > KZPBA-CB HBA connected to ESA1000 w/redundant HSZ70 controllers; lateste > sw w/patches* > HBVS & HB RAID sw creating 0+1 RAID sets > No recent SW or HW changes >=E > In the past 20 days we have had three failures where VMS logs disks  > going into MOUNT9 > VERIFY status.  This has caused some programs to crash.  >pG > Compaq on site each time.  After replacing various parts, VMS "seems"o > fine until nexte > occrrance of problem.s >bJ > First time, the KZPBA-CB was replaced, and problem did not reoccur for 1 > week.= > G > Second time, SCSI cable between HBA and ESA10000 replaced and problemt	 > did notr > reoccur for 3 days.  > H > Last night, one of the HSZ70 cache-mem modules replaced.  (I had asked > for both to be3 > replaced but only one replacement was available.)e >pJ > Compaq is scratching there heads (along with me) as no specific HW error > msgs appear.J > Only "clue?" is that disks going into MOUNT VERIFY all are "Prefered" to > one of the8 > HSZ70 controllers.  That controller has been replaced. >mD > Parts removed during first occurance have been tested at the local > Compaq site w/o failures.c > I > I have asked that the problem be escalated, since no one feels that itse > actually been resolved.n > 7 > Would appreciate any ideas, similar experiences, etc.  >o
 > Thanks all.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:58:23 +0200n, From: "Nico van der Boom" <njvdboom@caiw.nl>. Subject: Re: FTP Server probelems with UCX 4.16 Message-ID: <3b2916ff$0$16505$4d4ebb8e@news.nl.uu.net>  , "Tim" <timrobo@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:f7aa7cb9.0106140240.1521a0c2@posting.google.com...eH > Has anyone come across any problems with with the FTP service on older > MicroVax 3100 models.yF > I'm using VMS 6.2, UCX 4.1 ECO 10 on a range of MicroVax 3100 modelsD > (80,85,88,90 and 98). I have enabled the FTP Server in ucx$config.C > Everything appears to work on these machines except if you try ton! > connect to 2 of them using FTP.3 > "$ ftp 100.2.5.2, > %FTP-E-NETERR, I/O error on network device7 > -SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejected"r >rG > The only common factor with these 2 machines that is different to themH > others is the ethernet device is ESA. On all the others, that work, it	 > is EZA. F > Does anyone know if this is something I can change, is there a patchH > for this or is this nothing to do with it and I'm doing something else > wrong.  B Have you restarted UCX or the system after enabling service FTP in UCX$CONFIG ?  8 The FTP daemon (UCX$FTPD) is not started after enabling.> Your incoming FTP session tries to start the UCX$FTPD process.E It can't because the UCX$FTPD.EXE is not installed in memory with thei necessary options.   Try on the FTP server computer..# $@sys$startup:ucx$service_setup FTP   H (it could be @sys$startup:ucx$service_setup FTPD ), i am not on a system
 right now.   this will install the image ..   it should work now.a/ you can always reboot the system or restart UCXY  K check the login account and directory/file security of the UCX$FTPD service % !, sometimes the protection is wrong.      --   CU,  Nico van der Boomr >===> http://www.vanderboom.comr( >===> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~njvdboom   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:01:41 -0400n2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>B Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses3 Message-ID: <4_6W6.1470$fi2.42648@news.cpqcorp.net>s  < We have a Compaq OpenVMS Ambassador who is 24 and very good.  L We have some folks here in engineering who on occasion have had orange hair.L We have our share of sandles and shorts, which is not that big a deal if youL live in California, but shorts in January in New Hampshire is remarkable. AsH a group we seemed to go with the more nerd/hippie/ genX  look and skipedF right over the Disco era, which is a good thing, VMS engineers in polyJ suites with gold necklaces would really mess up folks heads not to mention what it would do to IQ points.  L We did have a joke going around that we were going to get baseball hats withA pony tails attached and pass them out to the new folks. Andy Hatsm  I It has been rumored that engineers riding unicycles have been seen in the-K halls of ZKO and on occasion things have disapeared into the non-paged poolkC (really a pond) and lost for good (I have a mail system like that).i  L Its kind of cool seeing folks of different decades all caring about the same thing.   Sue     6 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF48DBE1A@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net... > Scott, >g  > >>> Am I the only VMS pup? <<< >6K > The real test is if you recognize the names of the folks in this picture.iA > http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/vax/timeline/vax_article.htmle >g > :-)  >r > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > Compaq Canada Inc. > Professional Services  > Voice: 613-592-4660, > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >3 >  > -----Original Message------ > From: Scott Vieth [mailto:svieth@wi.rr.com]  > Sent: June 13, 2001 9:59 PMl > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComoC > Subject: OT: I'm just a "pup"! Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Mosest >c >e
 > Zowie!!! >eL > Twenty years ago, I was still a few years away from learning how to drive! > I > [Note for our overseas friends: In the States, we usually take driver's  > education courses at age 16.]I > F > I've had a feeling for a long time that I was/am one of the youngest people > who F > reads comp.os.vms regularly.  At most storage events, I'm always the
 > youngestJ > person there by about ten years.  I checked out the web page with photos of > thec > recentE > gathering at the DFW users group and, man, there were a lot of "old  timers"s
 > there.  ;^)t >  > Am I the only VMS pup? :^) >nL > I realize that not very many folks in my generation have decided to have a > large0 > partG > of their career revolve around VMS.  It seems like everyone in my agee groupo	 > touchedeI > VMS in college ("Duhhh, I remember programming in FORTRAN on a VAX wheniI > I was college." is a typical remark) and then moved on to specialize in  some > other platform. J > I have a lot of techie friends my age who are Novell gurus, Cisco gurus, NT > gurus 
 > and evenK > some Solaris gurus.  But I can't think of anyone my age who knows a great  > deal > about VMSy > and the hardware it runs on. >- > Comments anyone? >-; > -Scott, VMS guru, storage guru, young whippersnapper  :^)c >r > Dan O'Reilly wrote:y >mJ > > Actually, I have this someplace, back from Way Back When in my days atK > > Digital many moons ago (gad, nearly 20 years!).  Lemme see if I can dign it > > up.h > >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:14:22 -0500.+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>-B Subject: RE: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of MosesL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1F67@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@compaq.com]   > > We have some folks here in engineering who on occasion have  > had orange hair.  K For the record, I'd like to say that my hair has never been orange.  It hast been purple, but not orange.  @ > a group we seemed to go with the more nerd/hippie/ genX  look  > and skipedH > right over the Disco era, which is a good thing, VMS engineers in poly> > suites with gold necklaces would really mess up folks heads  > not to mention  > what it would do to IQ points.  , I'd bet disco just drains them right out. :)  K Don't polyester suits have enough disadvantages to scare any engineer away,s anyway?   K It surprised me recently when I found out that disco never really died.  It  turned into techno. (ick! :)   Regards,   Christ  ! Christopher Smith, Perl DeveloperS Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");e 'r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:46:42 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>-B Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses' Message-ID: <3B290692.D7737CC0@fsi.net>D   Sue Skonetski wrote: > > > We have a Compaq OpenVMS Ambassador who is 24 and very good.  D How does one become an OpenVMS Ambassador? What is the career track?   -- i David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:46:34 -0400S+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>eB Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses# Message-ID: <sb28ce62.082@aaas.org>=  I One would think all you have to do is vomit on the ambassador to Sun or = K IBM. Personally, I think of the guy who pied Bill Gates in the face as an =c OpenVMS Goodwill Ambassador   I >>> "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 06/14/2001 2:46:42 PM >>>n Sue Skonetski wrote: >=20> > We have a Compaq OpenVMS Ambassador who is 24 and very good.  D How does one become an OpenVMS Ambassador? What is the career track?   --=20  David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems9 http://www.djesys.com/=20=  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:" http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/=20  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.S   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:10:00 -0500n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>tB Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses& Message-ID: <3B290C08.3468158@fsi.net>   John Eisenschmidt wrote: > F > One would think all you have to do is vomit on the ambassador to SunI > or IBM. Personally, I think of the guy who pied Bill Gates in the face O# > as an OpenVMS Goodwill AmbassadorC  C There's something else I'd like to smush in BG's face; but, decorum: prohibits mentioning it here.x   -- . David J. Dachtera  dba DJE SystemsR http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:10:42 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>B Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses+ Message-ID: <3B290C32.8FE8DF4E@bigfoot.com>e   So then you would nominate him for that prestigious award: One of the Nobel Peace Pies?  Or is it Nobel Piece of Pies, I can never remember which.   HM   John Eisenschmidt wrote:   > One would think all you have to do is vomit on the ambassador to Sun or IBM. Personally, I think of the guy who pied Bill Gates in the face as an OpenVMS Goodwill Ambassadorr > K > >>> "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 06/14/2001 2:46:42 PM >>>7 > Sue Skonetski wrote: > >2@ > > We have a Compaq OpenVMS Ambassador who is 24 and very good. >)F > How does one become an OpenVMS Ambassador? What is the career track? >d > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE SystemsI > http://www.djesys.com/ >/< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i >hH > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. >7B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. >mH > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.g   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:05:46 GMTt= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)eB Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses0 Message-ID: <009FD874.561F2A0D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <3B290C08.3468158@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >John Eisenschmidt wrote:  >> mG >> One would think all you have to do is vomit on the ambassador to SuneJ >> or IBM. Personally, I think of the guy who pied Bill Gates in the face $ >> as an OpenVMS Goodwill Ambassador >.D >There's something else I'd like to smush in BG's face; but, decorum >prohibits mentioning it here.  D Shit?  Why not?  He's been "smush"ing it in the face of the general B populace for over a decade.  It's high time he get a taste of that foul output of his.e   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             aO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:13:54 GMTd4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>B Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses; Message-ID: <S3fW6.2429$%f.2146649@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>D  8 "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> wrote in message news:sb28ce62.082@aaas.org... L One would think all you have to do is vomit on the ambassador to Sun or IBM.L Personally, I think of the guy who pied Bill Gates in the face as an OpenVMS Goodwill Ambassador.  L How true. Pie-projection beats projectile vomiting every time. The notoriousE Belgians who pied His Gateness got eighty-dollar fines and much fame. K President Bush the Elder whoopsed in the lap of the Japanese Grand Frobozz,e& and went on to lose the 1992 election.  G Seriously, the VMS Ambassadors are all very valuable to the VMS effort.hC Charlie Matco informs me that a goodly percentage of VMS revenue is  Ambassador-driven.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:52:05 +0100o  From: steven.reece@quintiles.comA Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"! Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses H Message-ID: <OFEEA49B5C.E755F320-ON80256A6B.00678180@qedi.quintiles.com>  H But is it just a rumour that Hoff went out and bought a suit after being promoted to a SMoTS ???- :-)6  
 Sue wrote: >>>-F We have some folks here in engineering who on occasion have had orange hair.oH We have our share of sandles and shorts, which is not that big a deal if youeI live in California, but shorts in January in New Hampshire is remarkable.3 AsH a group we seemed to go with the more nerd/hippie/ genX  look and skipedF right over the Disco era, which is a good thing, VMS engineers in polyJ suites with gold necklaces would really mess up folks heads not to mention what it would do to IQ points. <<<T   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:10:26 +0200	( From: "Wim.Beckers" <Wim.Beckers@cmg.nl>* Subject: IP terminal server and TCPIP 5.0A0 Message-ID: <9gb5fs$r2m$1@nereid.worldonline.nl>  : When the IP terminal server is disconnected or crashed the5 corresponding TNA  devices are  going to a state they. never can recover from.   ; As soon the IP terminal is running properly  the TNA devicea> should reconnect automatically. This is however not occurring.  < Is there a special undocumented setting or is this solved in a patch?   TIA.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:13:48 GMTS4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>) Subject: Re: It's a VMS anniversary todayp; Message-ID: <M3fW6.2427$%f.2146786@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   G So VMS is 25? Still in the prime of its life given COE compliance, etc.   H Wonder if we'll be able to say the same about Windoze 2018 when NT/Win2K hits 25 in another 17 years?  
 charlie matco4   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jun 2001 04:34:56 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)y) Subject: Re: It's a VMS anniversary todayc' Message-ID: <9gc39g$hp4$1@joe.rice.edu>a  3 Terry C. Shannon (terryshannon@mediaone.net) wrote:eI : So VMS is 25? Still in the prime of its life given COE compliance, etc.l :sJ : Wonder if we'll be able to say the same about Windoze 2018 when NT/Win2K : hits 25 in another 17 years? :    Hopefully we'll just hear:  !   "Grandpa, what was Windows NT?"n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:24:08 GMT ) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)g: Subject: Re: Kernel Stack Not Valid (was: Odd System Halt)1 Message-ID: <3b2929d8.239444132@news.wcc.govt.nz>r  @ On 13 Jun 2001 22:08:53 -0500, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  ^ >In article <3b27d822.152990789@news.wcc.govt.nz>, rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) writes: >> Hi Chaps, >> mE >> This morning found one of our Alphas (DEC3000) runs VMS 7.2-1, all H >> recent patches including the new Upgrade V2.0 Patch & ECO 1 for TCPIP3 >> 5.1. Also 7.3A of DECamds installed on 7th June.. >> n >> It was at the >>> prompt, i >> O >> Message on the screen was:o >> n >> kernel stack not valid halt h >cG >Try using SYSGEN (followed by MODPARAMS.DAT) to increase the number ofhH >kernel stack pages.  Some products indicate in their documentation thatH >this is required.  Some product developers have not figured it out yet.G >You can use SDA to figure out which driver used it up, but it is a bit,G >more difficult when the pointer has been reset to the beginning of the,6 >stack to handle reporting the kernel stack not valid. >v- >> Anyone any experience of anything similar?m >iI >Of course there could be other causes, like cosmic rays, but the DII-COE 4 >software is require for full Solaris compatibility. >6  C Damn, cosmic rays huh, and I thought it was related to the corioliso4 force and which way the water ran down the plughole!  D Checked the kstackpages, it's set to 2, on all Alpha nodes. So, I'll6 look to ramping this up a bit. Alas, it's not dynamic.   Thanks for the info.   Rob.      O >==============================================================================mO >Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> Clusters O >==============================================================================t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:38:03 GMTn# From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net>t: Subject: Re: Kernel Stack Not Valid (was: Odd System Halt)- Message-ID: <3B2958E0.4489A1C6@earthlink.net>s   Rob Buxton wrote:o > B > On 13 Jun 2001 22:08:53 -0500, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam > >oK > >Of course there could be other causes, like cosmic rays, but the DII-COEC6 > >software is require for full Solaris compatibility. > >s > E > Damn, cosmic rays huh, and I thought it was related to the coriolis 6 > force and which way the water ran down the plughole!  G Close.  If any of the power supply wires have tight radius bends on the K east side of the system, the electron's speed relative to the wire combinediK with the velocity they pick up while traveling east causes them to misjudgelI their speed into the turn and they fly off.  You can see evidence of thistF being accounted for on the conductors for lightning rods on buildings.H No sharp corners on those wires.  Cray had to use straight wires because; he needed every electron to make the trip between elements.-  E If you think I'm pulling your leg, Dr. Dumkopf wrote it up in a DECUSe# newsletter back in the early '80's.o   -- Aaron Sliwinski  F PS. Quoting experience now, increasing kernal stack pages should help.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:25:12 GMTs2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: Need help with LIB$TABLE_PARSE.3 Message-ID: <ck7W6.1471$fi2.42738@news.cpqcorp.net>o   In article <C91W6.2012$yE5.60959@e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com>, "Ruslan R. Laishev" <junk-     laishev@mail.dls.net     -junk> writes:m  D :>   One: surprise Two surprise and fear Three: fear and surprise... :a9 : Token = "One" Value = "surprise Two surprise and fear",c0 : Token = "Three" Value = "fear and surprise..." :hE :>   One: surprise Two: surprise and fear Three: fear and surprise...  :e# : Token = "One" Value = "surprise",y, : Token = "Two" Value = "surprise and fear ,0 : Token = "Three" Value = "fear and surprise..."  C   Ok, then you'll need to parse what is effectively a rather nasty iG   grammar, and use the tparse subexpression parsing whenever you match oF   on what could be a token -- with the subexpression parsing, you can H   then look for the colon at the end of the token and then back out and F   treat the token-like text as text if the colon is not found or treat7   the token-like text as a token if the colon is found.e  F   This is not an appropriate grammar to learn tparse operation with.  D   This grammar should be implemented only once you have basic tparseC   grammar working and understood, and you want to understand tparse    subexpression parsing.  A   I'll assume there is no way you can fix this grammar to make itcC   easier to parse (and particularly, easier to restart the parsing c    on any incidence of an error).  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:57:07 -0400e( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>; Subject: Re: No license is active for this software producte+ Message-ID: <3B297983.B7821F93@bigfoot.com>v  B Make sure you have the appropriate interactive login limit set via $ SET LOGINS/INTERACTIVE=wB If this is too low, decnet logins other than SYSTEM (or those with@ suitable privilges) will be rejected in the manner you describe.   HM   Thomas Hahnemann wrote:n   > Hi,l > 6 > I've got this message form a DEC-Aplha with VMS7.1 : >a0 > No license is active for this software product5 > %REM-S-END, control returned to node LOCAL:.ANTON::  >o6 > during login over decnet from a host which has run a: > long time as standby system. Login at the system console1 > works and all processes seems to run fine. Also 3 > set host on this machine or create term /nologgin  > returns this message.  >c* > Thanks in advance for any help or ideas. >r > Thomas Hahnemann > S&T Systemtechnik GmbH   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:07:36 -0400-4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>@ Subject: Re: openVMS concurrent user licences (v7.2 on MicroVAX), Message-ID: <9gb92s$99v6$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  0 "Jon Pickup" <jpickup@bocs.com> wrote in message9 news:EQ1W6.20568$jd1.1064127@monolith.news.easynet.net... G > Can anyone help me out with how to establish how many concurrent user1 > licences I have on my system?e   I will try.@   > SHOW LIC /CHARGE shows...j > + > VMS/LMF Charge Information for node BELF1 5 > This is a MicroVAX 3100-85, hardware model type 490mG > Type: A, Units Required: 60 (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited ork Base)t1 > Type: B, * Not Permitted * (VAX/VMS F&A Server)l >hC >    ---->   Type: C, Units Required: 100 (VAX/VMS Concurrent User)h >e2 > Type: D, * Not Permitted * (VAX/VMS Workstation)C > Type: E, Units Required: 230 (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)o4 > Type: F, Units Required: 20 (VAX Layered Products)' > Type: G, * Not Permitted * (Reserved)a5 > Type: H, * Not Permitted * (Alpha Layered Products)n0 > Type: I, Units Required: 20 (Layered Products)  ; Based upon Type C, an interactive login will use 100 units.u   > ...and SHOW LIC shows....  >'  > Active licenses on node BELF1:= > ------- Product ID -------- ---- Rating ----- -- Version --d@ > Product Producer Units Avail Activ Version Release Termination. > BASE-VMS-250136 DEC 60 0 A 0.0 (none) (none)/ > NET-APP-SUP-200 DEC 200 F 0 0.0 (none) (none)-0 > PWLMDOSCC05.01 DEC 100 0 100 0.0 (none) (none)0 > PWNWXXXFP05.00 DEC 100 0 100 0.0 (none) (none) > 4 >   ---->  VMS-USER DEC 1200 0 100 0.0 (none) (none)  F This seems to say that you have 1200 units available and are currently only used 100.   A couple questions.:  H Is this part of a cluster?  If so, a SHOW USER/FULL can explain a lot of things.t  G > Compaq reckoned that I divide the 1200 by the 100 to get 12, then addo one H > for the base user, to get 13 as an upper limit. But then they couldn'tG > explain how come we seemed to be routinely exceeding 13. Which leavesi me > nowhere again...  G I have not seen enough to proof you are actually getting 13 interactive ! users onto your system - yet. :-)   3 > OpenVMS User Processes at 12-JUN-2001 12:25:25.79e6 > Total number of users = 16, number of processes = 17' > Username Interactive Subprocess Batcho > AINE 1 > BOCSMANAGER 1, > CAROLYN 1y > GOFIONA 2i	 > GOJOE 1- > GOJOSEPH 1 > IAN 1 
 > JACKIE 1
 > JANINE 1 > LYCAROL 10	 > PIPPA 1o	 > ROBIN 1m > ROSALEEN 1
 > SPACETIME 1j	 > SUSAN 1m > VALERIE 1!  H Based upon the above we can tell they are all interactive.  The questionE is are they on this machine or on another node in a possible cluster?o  A The below is a small help that I share with people who are havingf: licensing problems.  A couple commands will explain a lot:   $ LICENSE LIST/FULLm( $ SHOW LICENSE/UNIT_REQUIREMENTS/CLUSTER $ SHOW LICENSE/USAGE/FULLe  . Execute these commands and share them with us.  C -------------------------------------------------------------------e   $ LICENSE LIST/FULLi  H This command will list all PAK's that are in the License DataBase (.LDB)D .  These licenses may or may not have been loaded into the in memory license database.s   $ LICENSE LIST/HISTORY  F This command shows all activity that the customer has performed to theG License DataBase.  This can be very helpful in determining if there ares" problems that may be user induced.  ( $ SHOW LICENSE/UNIT_REQUIREMENTS/CLUSTER $ SHOW LICENSE/USAGE/FULL-  @ This information can help the customer / field service personnelE possibly diagnose a problem where they are short of units or possibly G enough information to point where they should collect more information.n  C I have included the help file information so you know what they do.   ( $ SHOW LICENSE/UNIT_REQUIREMENTS/CLUSTER   /UNIT_REQUIREMENTS  F Displays information in the License Unit Requirement Table (LURT). TheB /UNIT_REQUIREMENTS qualifier is incompatible with the product-name7 parameter and with the /BRIEF and /PRODUCER qualifiers.t   /CLUSTER  E Use with the /UNIT_REQUIREMENTS qualifier to display the license unitP2 requirements for every node in an OpenVMS Cluster.     $ SHOW LICENSE/USAGE   /USAGE  C Tells you how many license units are loaded, how many are currentlyfG allocated, and how many are currently available, as well as the licensetD type for each product on the system. Use with the /FULL qualifier toF display complete information-including the PID, process name, node, orA user name-for each instance of use of the product. You need group:C privilege to see the list of users in your group who have allocatedDG license units; you need world privilege to see the list of users in allt groups.i  E In an OpenVMS Cluster, if you own multiple license types for a singleIA product, you are limited to viewing the usage information for thenE license type loaded on the node from which you are executing the SHOWBF LICENSE/USAGE command. To find out the usage of the other license typeH loaded on another node, issue the command on that node. You can also use2 the System Management (SYSMAN) utility to do this.  H In an OpenVMS Cluster, usage information is limited to the local licenseH type. For example, VAX and Alpha availability licenses are considered byH LMF to be different license types. If you are running both VAX and AlphaD systems in a cluster, usage information for availability licenses is@ limited to the local system type. For example, if you have DEC CE installed on all nodes in your OpenVMS Cluster, you can display DEC CcH license allocation on all the VAX nodes in the cluster from any VAX node> with DEC C installed, but you cannot display the DEC C license allocation on the Alpha nodes.  D Usage information is not available for unlimited licenses (a licenseA with 0 units). Clusterwide usage information is not available forV? personal use or NO_SHARE licenses. Refer to the OpenVMS Licenser@ Management Utility Manual for more information on license types.       --  	 Mark Buda1 Compaq Computer Corporationr VMS Engineering@ 110 Spitbrook Road
 MS: ZK3-4/X57t Nashua, NH 03062 Voice: (603) 884-1969u FAX: (603) 884-3451o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:54:09 -0400d4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>@ Subject: Re: openVMS concurrent user licences (v7.2 on MicroVAX), Message-ID: <9gbbq5$86f5$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  8 "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote in message. news:5f4W6.249111$Z2.2885170@nnrp1.uunet.ca...  C > My first guess is that some of the processes in your display were G > batch jobs and not interactive users. But the columns did not display # > correctly so it was hard to tell.e  G Actually the SHOW USER command can be parsed knowing one little tid bit- of information.   @ SHOW USER will put a '-' in any empty (0) field to the left of a non-zero field..  E Since there are not any '-' to the left of the numbers, it is showing E interactive values.  The question is, is this in a cluster and if so,i$ what nodes are the users running on.   Regards,  - markc   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:54:24 +0100b* From: "Pete" <peter@pahpc.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: OpenVMS v7.3t. Message-ID: <9gb4ge$m2i$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>   Hi Brad,F     We are using the server (on some servers Oracle RDB and others theJ dedicated SYBASE server). We are currently running  Compaq's IP stack (UCX 4.2).uI     We obviously intend to move to UCX 5.n -  whatever is current when weo go.l       Cheers.e  D "Bradford J. Hamilton" <hamilton@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:Fu0XRUivWT3U@eisner.encompasserve.org...d
 > Hi Pete, >fL > Are you using the "agent" version of CONTROL-M?  If so, which TCP/IP stack do you use?  >1G > I ask, because V5.1 (and later) of COMPAQ's TCP/IP stack "breaks" the  agent version of CONTROL-M.s >yK > See my post in the TCP news group, or follow up here, if your environmente6 matches the above, and I can provide you with details, > including a "fix". >g	 > Thanks,t > Brad >?9 > >In article <9g3c3o$cgi$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Pete"g% <peter@pahpc.freeserve.co.uk> writes:e > > Hi, I > >     we are currently about to embark on an upgrade process to get ouro AlphaeF > > systems up to OVMS V7.3. Does anyone out there use BMC's Control-M (LatestuI > > Ver fd3802 I'm told ) and Sterling S/W's Connect:Direct (V3.1-00) andv have U% > > had any problems with OVMS V7.3 ?g > >s > >     Tia     Pete.o > >c   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jun 2001 16:05:44 -05007 From: hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS v7.3 and TCPIP V5.13 Message-ID: <KRHOOHV$$nLn@eisner.encompasserve.org>    Hi Pete,  J Look in the CONTROL-M startup files, to see how CONTROL-M determines which IP stack is being used.d  S In the agent version, CONTROL-M checks for the existence of either the UCX$INET_ACPe] of TCPIP$INET_ACP process names.  This indicates to CONTROL-M that you are running UCX (V4.*)c% or TCPIP (V5.*) - COMPAQ's IP stacks.o  C V5.1 of TCPIP changes the process name of the Internet daemon from:e   TCPIP$INET_ACP to TCPIP$INETACP-           ^- which, of course, "breaks" the CONTROL-M startup routine (CONTROL-M can't figure out what IP stack you are using, and so, exits).e   This "feature" is undocumented in the TCPIP release notes - some people would consider this a bug.  I'll be charitable, and call itm an "undocumented feature".  It could be argued, of course, that CONTROL-M should use some other method of verifying the existence q of an IP stack (parsing the output of "TCPIP(UCX) SHO VERSION" is one method that comes to mind), but they don't.e   HTH,   Brad  [ In article <9gb4ge$m2i$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Pete" <peter@pahpc.freeserve.co.uk> writes:e
 > Hi Brad,H >     We are using the server (on some servers Oracle RDB and others theL > dedicated SYBASE server). We are currently running  Compaq's IP stack (UCX > 4.2).8K >     We obviously intend to move to UCX 5.n -  whatever is current when wea > go.  > 
 >     Cheers.W > F > "Bradford J. Hamilton" <hamilton@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:Fu0XRUivWT3U@eisner.encompasserve.org...t >> Hi Pete,: >>M >> Are you using the "agent" version of CONTROL-M?  If so, which TCP/IP stack@
 > do you use?z >>H >> I ask, because V5.1 (and later) of COMPAQ's TCP/IP stack "breaks" the > agent version of CONTROL-M.l >>L >> See my post in the TCP news group, or follow up here, if your environment8 > matches the above, and I can provide you with details, >> including a "fix".S >>
 >> Thanks, >> Brada >>: >> >In article <9g3c3o$cgi$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Pete"' > <peter@pahpc.freeserve.co.uk> writes:t >> > Hi,J >> >     we are currently about to embark on an upgrade process to get our > AlphakG >> > systems up to OVMS V7.3. Does anyone out there use BMC's Control-MS	 > (LatestcJ >> > Ver fd3802 I'm told ) and Sterling S/W's Connect:Direct (V3.1-00) and > have U& >> > had any problems with OVMS V7.3 ? >> > >> >     Tia     Pete. >> > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:52:14 -0400,# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>s" Subject: Re: OT: I'm just a "pup"!+ Message-ID: <3B2907DE.2FE5CC08@hsc.vcu.edu>   9 13??? me too...   and he never liked the dorkasaurus ....m  B one of my brotherinlaws said he sounds like a permanent druggie...  I i had a co-worker who had a neice who was PUNISHED by being made to watch  Barney.... ;-)   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:e  > > At least you're not being force-fed the vile purple reptile. >u- > Thank God my kids are too old for that now.29 > But wait! The oldest, he's almost thirteen!  AAAARGH!!!i >A, > As Emily Litella used to say: 'Nevermind'. >  > WWWebb >= > > -----Original Message-----3 > > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETt* > > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:54 AMH > > To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETH > > Subject: RE: OT: I'm just a "pup"! Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Mose > >e > >,9 > > In article <sb289497.071@aaas.org>, John Eisenschmidtn > > <jeisensc@aaas.org> ? > > writes: >Twenty Years Ago I still was still watching Sesame9 > > Street all morning =A > > >because I was too young to be in school. Ask Bill Gunshannons > > about my blue =  > > >hair. <g> > >eA > > I'm still watching Sesame Street all morning but only becausef
 > > I've a 19e > > month old toddling about.. > >s > > --6 > > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 > > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > A > > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets arep > > named after them.i > >n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:09:17 GMT  From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com E Subject: Re: OT: I'm just a "pup"! Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 8 Message-ID: <rquiitg0mhpfb1h484e5omficb88gdeuha@4ax.com>  C On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:20:42 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>i wrote:  F >On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:43:37 +0100, steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote: >e >>K >>As someone who is only %X20, I was still about 5 years away from learningg@ >>to drive (I think we start one year later than Scott at %X11). >eG >Well I'm %o45. None of this hex nonsense on the good old DEC-20. Firsta? >introduced to Algol programming via punched cards in a service-G >provided to local schools back around 1977. By 1980 I had a summer jobcC >with Dundee College of Technology working on TOPS-20 systems stuff  >(WHEEL capability at 16!).   9 long ago, I've heard the phrase "Wheel" bandied about in 2; a context implying system/superuser level priv's,  and had s4 always assumed it was some colloquial/slang phrase,  perhaps fromt the UK ..r  * it wasn't ?  was it  specific to TOPS-20 ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:32:42 +0200f2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)E Subject: Re: OT: I'm just a "pup"! Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses ; Message-ID: <3b298fea.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>     LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com wrote:( > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:H > > By 1980 I had a summer job with Dundee College of Technology working8 > > on TOPS-20 systems stuff (WHEEL capability at 16!).  >e; > long ago, I've heard the phrase "Wheel" bandied about in l= > a context implying system/superuser level priv's,  and had  6 > always assumed it was some colloquial/slang phrase,  > perhaps fromt the UK ..e >i, > it wasn't ?  was it  specific to TOPS-20 ?  E According to the Jargon file (v4.2.2, available from www.jargon.org):   	 wheel n. s  B [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] A person who has anG active ->`wheel bit'. "We need to find a wheel to unwedge the hung tapesH drives." (See ->wedged, sense 1.) The traditional name of security groupK zero in ->BSD (to which the major system-internal users like ->root belong)aG is `wheel'. Some vendors have expanded on this usage, modifying Unix soa4 that only members of group `wheel' can ->`go root'.    cu,a   Martin  $ P.S.: I'm 41, and 10 years into VMS. -- -G So long, and thanks        | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer-4 for all the fish...        | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK In Memoriam Douglas Adams  |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ ;             1952-2001      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 02:21:07 GMTg& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>/ Subject: Re: Registration for CETS2001 -- when?l7 Message-ID: <nieW6.2289$Ua3.392403@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>s  K For Encompass members please pay close attention to an Email with a subjecti
 line of...  2     Your ID For the User Group Technical Symposium  A ...it has your "new" membership number which will be helpful whentE registering.  For folks who were recent members of the old DECUS U.S.MJ Chapter it will be your original 6 digit membership number.  For folks whoJ recently joined Encompass your alphabetic membership ID has been converted2 to a 6 digit number starting with 9 (e.g. 900123).  K If you are an Encompass member you may not receive an Email if the email wenA have on file for you is invalid or blank (about 19 percent of ther membership)...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:49:00 -0400h2 From: "Michael Raspuzzi" <raspuzzi#msn.com.nospam> Subject: Re: set ho/mopa( Message-ID: <#dFzfHQ9AHA.88@cpmsnbbsa09>   [...]e >vJ > Yes.  But I've never been able to make it DO anything.  We have some DECH > 3000 systems that seem to support some kind of MOP remote console, forI > example.  But SET HOST/MOP  from another system can't connect, and I'vewH > tried many combinations of the command and console settings on the DEC > 3000.L >/? > Any examples of useful, functional SET HOST/MOP applications?  >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.com   I SET HOST /MOP can be used to manage network devices (such as DECservers).tJ The layered product Terminal Server Manager (TSM) uses the same calls thatK SET HOST /MOP does in a Phase V environment to access the terminal server'siH remote console.  There may be other network devices that support the MOP console as well.  
 Mike Raspuzzi, Former OpenVMS LAT developer   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:28:06 GMTP From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: set ho/mopq' Message-ID: <3B291E50.9A530AA2@home.nl>n   Robert Deininger wrote:i  < > In article <3B274003.D53E9D67@wxs.nl>, Maarten van Tilburg > <mtilburg@wxs.nl> wrote: >  > > Chris Poppins wrote: > > >R > > > Hi there,rP > > >         I think that there is a set ho/mop command, but I can't figure out > > > the syntax.0 > > >( > > > any ideas? > > >U > > > thanks > > >  > > > Chris PoppinsM > > >. > >C( > > A little search on google revealed : > >DP > > http://www-sld.slac.stanford.edu/HELP/DECNET-PLUS/DCL_COMMANDS/SET/HOST/_MOP > >) > > /MOPF > >    Connects your system to a remote system using the MOP protocol. > >0
 > >    Formatq > >o# > >       SET HOST/MOP  client-namef >,J > Yes.  But I've never been able to make it DO anything.  We have some DECH > 3000 systems that seem to support some kind of MOP remote console, forI > example.  But SET HOST/MOP  from another system can't connect, and I'vewH > tried many combinations of the command and console settings on the DEC > 3000.a >n? > Any examples of useful, functional SET HOST/MOP applications?   L MOP= Maintenance Operations Protocol (afaik). Set host / mop is only used toP connect to certain devices like terminal servers, bridges etc. for configurationL purposes. You can only have one mop connection to such a device. It is not aP replacement for set host ./ lat, telnet or cterm.  You can not use it to connect* from one VMS system to another VMS system.         >U >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.come   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:37:00 GMTn2 From: "frank brown" <frank.brown@ci.seattle.wa.us>; Subject: Shadowed system disk upgrade procedure - VMS 5.5-2n3 Message-ID: <wUbW6.120$kQ2.22703@news-west.eli.net>   L I want to upgrade our shadowed VMS 5.5-2 system disk from a pair of RF31s toL RF72s.  There is no room for additional disks on our dual DSSI-bus 2-VAX4300F cluster (it's maxed out with disks) so I plan to perform the following steps:  : 1. Dismount one of the existing system disk shadow members0 2. Shut everything down (CPUs and disk cabinets)* 3. Replace the dismounted RF31 with a RF72 4. Start everything back upSL 5. Use VMS BACKUP /IGNOR=INTERLOCK to backup the cluster-mounted system disk to the new RF72e 6. Shut everything down againdL 7. Replace the remaining RF31 system disk with the disk BACKUP just wrote toG 8. Install the other RF72 to the slot the first RF72 initially occupiedn 9. Power up all the boxese 10. Reboot a VAX  J If the VAX boots OK then once the system is up, check to see if the systemC disk thinks it's part of a shadow set.  (Will it?)  If not, performnK MOUNT/SYSTEM/SHADOW=(...) to mount the other new disk, to initiate a shadow  copy.C  K Am I missing anything here?  Do I need to perform device node operations at ) the console (>>>) level on the new disks?T   Thanks for the peer review.r   Frank Browne Seattle Fire Dept. http://www.halcyon.com/frog/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 02:11:59 GMTE$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>? Subject: Re: Shadowed system disk upgrade procedure - VMS 5.5-2H( Message-ID: <3B296F6F.37A753F@wi.rr.com>  
 How about:   1. Shut down both VAXen ( 2. Remove one of the small system disks.  3. Replace with new bigger disk., 4. Boot standalone backup from another disk.O 5. Use standalone backup to copy the contents of the old system disk to the newP system disk.K 6. Make sure your systems are set to boot from the new, larger system disk.u< 7. Replace the other small system disk with the new big one. 8. BootDK 9. If the system disk doesn't automagically add in the other member of yourr system disk shadow set,l- add it in manually with a mount/sys/shadow...s  J i really don't like the idea of making a copy of the system disk while the system is running.L that's what the standalone backup was designed for.  same deal if these were AXPs:tE boot from the CD and do your disk copying while the systems are down.o   -s   frank brown wrote:  N > I want to upgrade our shadowed VMS 5.5-2 system disk from a pair of RF31s toN > RF72s.  There is no room for additional disks on our dual DSSI-bus 2-VAX4300H > cluster (it's maxed out with disks) so I plan to perform the following > steps: > < > 1. Dismount one of the existing system disk shadow members2 > 2. Shut everything down (CPUs and disk cabinets), > 3. Replace the dismounted RF31 with a RF72 > 4. Start everything back updN > 5. Use VMS BACKUP /IGNOR=INTERLOCK to backup the cluster-mounted system disk > to the new RF72c > 6. Shut everything down againCN > 7. Replace the remaining RF31 system disk with the disk BACKUP just wrote toI > 8. Install the other RF72 to the slot the first RF72 initially occupiedn > 9. Power up all the boxese > 10. Reboot a VAX >oL > If the VAX boots OK then once the system is up, check to see if the systemE > disk thinks it's part of a shadow set.  (Will it?)  If not, perform M > MOUNT/SYSTEM/SHADOW=(...) to mount the other new disk, to initiate a shadowt > copy.d >SM > Am I missing anything here?  Do I need to perform device node operations at + > the console (>>>) level on the new disks?1 >u > Thanks for the peer review.M > 
 > Frank Browna > Seattle Fire Dept. > http://www.halcyon.com/frog/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:43:57 -0400e( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>$ Subject: Re: vms maintenance utility+ Message-ID: <3B2905ED.F76B409D@bigfoot.com>r  H The maintenance utility is called RTFM and has been around since VMS 1.0 :)  H But seriously, as pointed out earlier, no such facility exists.  ReadingG the manuals are the your best bet.  It's tough to become a VMS system'soJ administrator overnight, and it really is prudent to learn the basics fromF a user level before jumping into administration (just like AIX, or anyC other real OS).  But certainly, even if your engagement with VMS is J limited, most (if not all) of the seasoned professionals out  here will be9 more than happy to try to answer your specific questions.-   HM   "St. Claire" wrote:   G > Does anyone know what the maintenance utility for vms is and what theRH > command is to launch it; like smit is the maintenance utility for aix? >  > TIAa   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:44:43 +0200YB From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>$ Subject: Re: vms maintenance utility6 Message-ID: <3B29142B.D4A@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>   David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > "St. Claire" wrote:e > > F > > Does anyone know what the maintenance utility for vms is and what F > > the command is to launch it; like smit is the maintenance utility  > > for aix? > > > Perhaps if you explain what you're trying to do; there is noG > "maintenance utility for vms", though I suppose SYSMAN may qualify in  > some regards.r  A There is or used to be a menu SYS$EXAMPLES:MGRMENU.COM . I can't I? remember what it did, but it must have had some functionality, sB because it started when you logged in with SYSTEM in some versions of VMS.p   -- h ME   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:03:42 -0500k1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t$ Subject: Re: vms maintenance utility' Message-ID: <3B2926AE.49A7C42E@fsi.net>e   Michiel Erens wrote: >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > >0 > > "St. Claire" wrote:n > > >eG > > > Does anyone know what the maintenance utility for vms is and what-G > > > the command is to launch it; like smit is the maintenance utilitym > > > for aix? > >d@ > > Perhaps if you explain what you're trying to do; there is noI > > "maintenance utility for vms", though I suppose SYSMAN may qualify inT > > some regards., > B > There is or used to be a menu SYS$EXAMPLES:MGRMENU.COM . I can't@ > remember what it did, but it must have had some functionality,D > because it started when you logged in with SYSTEM in some versions	 > of VMS.t  = Seems to still be there on a V7.2-1 systems I have access to.s  F I suppose it could be marginally useful for the newbie SysAdmin; but IH would recommend that such persons study the proc. and learn the commandsE and functions it uses. There's a lot more to being a SysAdmin than iss convered by that proc.  ( Cut-and-paste from EDT via Reflection/4:  	 Main MenuI            1 - Exit to DCL*          2 - Log out of the SYSTEM account$          3 - Invoke the MAIL utility-          4 - Add a user account to the systemO&          5 - Install optional software           6 - Tailor a VMS system3          7 - Create or Modify an Autologin Terminal"8          8 - Back up or Restore the user files on a disk*          9 - Build a Standalone BACKUP kit9         10 - Set the maximum number of interactive loginss"         11 - Configure the network.         12 - Shut down or start up the network!         13 - SHUT DOWN the systeme  C The "tailor" option is a bit misleading, as it invokes AUTOGEN, notoH VMSTAILOR. Option 9 is rather obsolete on Alpha. Options 11 and 12 won't work for DECnet-V.   -- a David J. Dachtera< dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/g  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:49:38 GMTg0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)/ Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com and KeyLime"3 Message-ID: <mz8W6.1476$fi2.42885@news.cpqcorp.net>    re: keylime....r  D I have forwarded the useful keylime query messages to the compaq.com& group to look over the privicy issues.  D As for "can't we get what we need from our log files?" the answer isH no. For one reason there are too many servers running too many differentM server software's and os's and log file formats to make really clean reports.-  H Also the keylime gives us much better information to track 'clicking' on the world-wide site. c  B One minor change that was made recently to compaq.com is that the H 'software' link was changed to 'operating systems and software' because H keylime showed us that people were clicking software and then backing upL and going to the 'drivers' page. besides the 'operating systems & software' F link/title change. the Driver's link became 'software & drivers' and aG link to drivers was added to the 'operating systems and software' page.2  G This is minor and common sense would have suggested it be made but thisy7 gave us solid information on what customers were doing.   G I was directed to add the keylime javascript to every page on my site. R' I haven't done the documentation area. 1  N This is being done to make the site better not to get information on specific K individuals Yes there are cookies being set. but the persistent one is onlye for 1 hour.n  1 I have asked for a privacy party line on keylime.   I Also the javscript is on every page and first time load vs next time loadcK doesn't matter. Unless a copy of the page with keylime got stuck in a cache 
 someplace.  O Besides it's good that OpenVMS shows up on some compaq.com reports for a changeg   -warrene   -- mB ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.comh3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ sB ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jun 2001 16:06:24 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen):/ Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com and KeyLimee3 Message-ID: <vWzDXE$PlG$P@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  f In article <mz8W6.1476$fi2.42885@news.cpqcorp.net>, sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) writes: > re: keylime....h  Q > Besides it's good that OpenVMS shows up on some compaq.com reports for a changep  K If you want even higher totals, find a method that does not depend upon the0+ customer browser having JavaScript enabled.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jun 2001 14:25:42 -05003 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)e  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change3 Message-ID: <0Z7gccPASIXb@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  , In article <3B28F929.ECEE5FD7@videotron.ca>,/ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:i& > system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote:8 >> But God forgid you waste your time waiting for a bus.7 >> (do they sell rain coats or umbrellas in Vancouver?): >:M > Many cities have implemented a phone number for each bus stop. You call the2N > number and it tells you when the next bus is scheduled to arrive. (yes, that > is a lot of phone numbers !).: > P > And when you take the bus regularly, you get to know the schedule and how longP > you need to walk to the bus stop (or how late you can leave if you run all the< > way to the bus stop, always trying to beat your record :-) >uL > These automated bus schedules are one of the best applications of computer > telephony in my opinion.  F Actually only one phone number should be needed, it could prompt for a stop number.  L The next step is to use an OpenVMS based scheduling application.  For routesK that do not have consistent ridership, call a number to request a pickup atd< that stop.  (Also have a call box for this at the bus stop.)  J The computer can then determine what the best vehicle to divert to the bus. stop and let you know when the pickup will be.  G During peak traffic hours, and in heavy traffic areas, the large bussesxI could be used, and for the lesser hours smaller vehicles, even supplementnJ with contracts to private TAXI firms.  The major differentiation is unlikeM a TAXI, under the "BUS" service, you would be picked up at specific locations:A at predictable times, and then dropped off at specific locations.d  D However some stops would not be visited unless the "bus" had a known drop off or pick up.    L Visiting Seattle about a decade ago, I found that they did something I thinkJ was smart.  No fares for riders in the city zone.  And free parking on theI outskirts.  This can actually be a savings for both the taxpayers and thes riders.   A Currently much of mass transportation in the U.S. is a mix of tax B subsidies and fares, and the overhead of collecting, securing, andA accounting for the money taken in on fares and such seems to be a + significant part of the cost of running it.D  E Remove the fares, and make it totally tax subsidized could be cheaperFE to all.  And it definitely seemed good for the downtown businesses ina Seattle.   -Johno Personal Opinion Onlyi wb8tyw@qsl.network  3 Happy 25th birthday to the first VMS source module.i   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.329 ************************