1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 15 Jun 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 330       Contents:A Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com A Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com A Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com  Re: 7.3 in .au Accessing a VMS optical from NT  Re: Alpha Station 200 problem  Re: Alpha Station 200 problem  Re: Change of address  Databases available for VMS?  Re: Databases available for VMS?  Re: Databases available for VMS? dce installation problem Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  RE: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  RE: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  Re: Disk Farm Problem  Re: Disk Farm Problem  Re: Disk Farm Problem  Re: Disk Farm Problem  Fibre Channel problems RE: Fibre Channel problems RE: Fibre Channel problems Re: Fibre Channel problems RE: Fibre Channel problems9 RE: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses % Re: IP terminal server and TCPIP 5.0A % Re: IP terminal server and TCPIP 5.0A & Re: Is the DFU source code available ?& Re: Is the DFU source code available ?  Re: It's a VMS anniversary today  RE: It's a VMS anniversary today  Re: It's a VMS anniversary today LIVE TEEN CAM in my ROOM! % MV-3800 & kzqsa Installing, need help 2 Re: No license is active for this software product7 Re: openVMS concurrent user licences (v7.2 on MicroVAX)  Re: OpenVMS v7.3 and TCPIP V5.1 . Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux2 Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux2 Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux2 RE: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux- Re: OT: I'm just a "pup" The meaning of WHEEL = Re: OT: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses = Re: OT: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses / OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup 3 Re: OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup 3 Re: OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup / OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup 3 Re: OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup * Re: Oxygen VX1 now supported and orderableE Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation & Re: Registration for CETS2001 -- when? Re: set ho/mop Re: set ho/mop Setting up Mail, WEB page, etc. 6 Re: Shadowed system disk upgrade procedure - VMS 5.5-26 Re: Shadowed system disk upgrade procedure - VMS 5.5-2 STL for OS/390 RE: STL for OS/390 RE: STL for OS/390 Re: STL for OS/390- Re: Urgent: Oracle 8 parallel server on VMS 7 # Vms 25th birthday (yesterday, DOH!) ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:06:26 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> J Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com) Message-ID: <3B29D012.F9A4CC58@bbc.co.uk>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:   < > "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message% > news:3B288D42.36BD811A@bbc.co.uk...  > >  > >  > > Christopher Smith wrote: > >  > > > N > > > Well, you do realize that MicroVMS was more or less just VAX/VMS without > the N > > > dependence on the hardware PDP-11 emulation?  At least, this is what I'm
 > > > told...  > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  > > >  > > J > > It was also missing drivers for bigger VAXen I seem to recall, to keep > > the disk footprint down. > >  > N > Just as well. You ever load the 43 or so floppies that constituted MicroVMS?  K Nope, TK50 was about as lowlevel as you get, unless you count typing in the $ mahgtape boot sequence for an 11/23.   regards    > 4 > The sector error ALWAYS occurred on Disk 42 or 43!   :-(      --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:43:41 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> J Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com8 Message-ID: <kc3kitsi6rhl0gp4g9vqu6fu7hbq08g47i@4ax.com>  1 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:06:26 +0100, Tim Llewellyn   <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:    L >Nope, TK50 was about as lowlevel as you get, unless you count typing in the% >mahgtape boot sequence for an 11/23.   E I recall in the early 80s watching a visiting computer scientist from B St. Andrews show off his latest kernel changes for some variety ofD PDP-11 Unix which allowed use of the extended memory handling add onE hardware - no longer recall the exact name. He loaded up the tape and C then keyed in around 16 instructions via the front panel. I noticed C that the sequence seemed to correspond to that used by the hardware E bootstrap loader (read first block from tape/disk then jump to it) on A our 11 (11/40 I think but so long ago). After he completed this I F asked why he didn't just use the hardware bootstrap loader to which heD responded "What hardware bootstrap loader?". How could someone delve@ into the Unix kernel and memory handling hardware but be totallyA blinkered about much simpler hardware assist features I wondered.   C Of course I was to learn that blinkers on "computer scientists" was % almost compulsory in some sub-fields.   E I'll assume Tim's 11/23 had no hardware bootstrap loader or else this  was a special case :)   C In the case if the visiting professor from St. Andrews the hardware E bootstrap had no problems with his tape. Unlike his manually keyed in 3 version which took him three attempts to get right.    >  >regards >  >>5 >> The sector error ALWAYS occurred on Disk 42 or 43!  >  >:-(   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:45:12 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> J Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com) Message-ID: <3B29F548.7559574E@bbc.co.uk>    Alan Greig wrote:   3 > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:06:26 +0100, Tim Llewellyn " > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote: > N > >Nope, TK50 was about as lowlevel as you get, unless you count typing in the' > >mahgtape boot sequence for an 11/23.  > G > I recall in the early 80s watching a visiting computer scientist from D > St. Andrews show off his latest kernel changes for some variety ofF > PDP-11 Unix which allowed use of the extended memory handling add onG > hardware - no longer recall the exact name. He loaded up the tape and E > then keyed in around 16 instructions via the front panel. I noticed E > that the sequence seemed to correspond to that used by the hardware G > bootstrap loader (read first block from tape/disk then jump to it) on C > our 11 (11/40 I think but so long ago). After he completed this I H > asked why he didn't just use the hardware bootstrap loader to which heF > responded "What hardware bootstrap loader?". How could someone delveB > into the Unix kernel and memory handling hardware but be totallyC > blinkered about much simpler hardware assist features I wondered.  > E > Of course I was to learn that blinkers on "computer scientists" was ' > almost compulsory in some sub-fields.  > G > I'll assume Tim's 11/23 had no hardware bootstrap loader or else this  > was a special case :)  >   L It was a custom job built by one of the groups engineers', with assistance I think L from RAL. Had many a fun hot summer grad student afternoon wiggling the QbusM cards to get rid of shorts (electrical ones that is, thoug I seem to remember  that labF got VERY hot sometimes, all those vavle scopes and 40 Watt PSU's) :-).  H Certainly noone ever told me of a hardware bootstrap loader for magtape.N I just did what the others showed me when the disk needed restoring (which was far 7 to often IIRC). What was it? Some early form of EEPROM?   O Anyway, I ain't no computer scientist, just an ex-scientist who uses computers.    > E > In the case if the visiting professor from St. Andrews the hardware G > bootstrap had no problems with his tape. Unlike his manually keyed in 5 > version which took him three attempts to get right.  >    :-) of course.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:44:10 GMT 1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>  Subject: Re: 7.3 in .au 8 Message-ID: <KNkW6.215$4W1.47859@nostril.pacific.net.au>  * Rob Buxton <rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz> wrote:  E > Neither 7.3 nor the June Con Disk has made it across the ditch yet.   B 	Actually the Con Dist.-s did. We got two sets today... ( Sydney )  E > I'm eagerly awaiting it as it's supposed to contain Pathworks 6.0 D G > which hopefully will go some way to addressing some of the "features"  > I'm currently living with.  / 	Haven't looked into them yet. Maybe next week.   F > Nice to know our Aussie neighbours are as behind the times as us ;-)  C 	Usually, yes :-) Here, Down Under, we are behind everything... 8-)    					Cheers,		Csaba   I    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- E    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehog E    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush. I    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:24:39 GMT 2 From: Piyush Avichal<pa@it.singer-friedlander.com>( Subject: Accessing a VMS optical from NT6 Message-ID: <XfmW6.9593$pb1.358565@www.newsranger.com>   Hi,   O I would like to be able to access an Optical Drive that we have attached to one O of our vaxes from a Windows NT server. I am not sure how to go about doing this M but know it may involve NFS in some way. Could someone please point me in the H right direction. What software do I need to be able to get this to work?  + We have vaxes running v7.1 with UCX v4.1E2.   3 Apologies if this topic has already been discussed.   ) Any advice would be greatly appreciated.     Regards,   Piyush.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:39:26 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> & Subject: Re: Alpha Station 200 problem8 Message-ID: <v8ijit01gto7mdu107pvbqn4mg0q53t8us@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:35:32 -0400, "Ung Ho Yi" <yi-1@medctr.osu.edu>  wrote:   >Hello,  > L >I have an alpha station 200.  It used to run as Vms system and is currently >running as NT system. > K >Now I would like to run it as Vms system.  However everytime I boot up the " >system, it goes into arc console.( >How do I get it to go into SRM console?  A Hit the function key (F1, F7 something like that - don't off-hand A recall) at power on that gets you to the BIOS setup. Somewhere in $ there is a BOOT SRM console setting.     >Thanks in advance,  >yi  >  >  >    -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jun 2001 05:47:47 -0700  From: alanb@cloud9.net (Alan B.)& Subject: Re: Alpha Station 200 problem< Message-ID: <88599d89.0106150447.7867f9a@posting.google.com>  e Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<v8ijit01gto7mdu107pvbqn4mg0q53t8us@4ax.com>... G > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:35:32 -0400, "Ung Ho Yi" <yi-1@medctr.osu.edu>  > wrote: > 	 > >Hello,  > > N > >I have an alpha station 200.  It used to run as Vms system and is currently > >running as NT system. > > M > >Now I would like to run it as Vms system.  However everytime I boot up the $ > >system, it goes into arc console.* > >How do I get it to go into SRM console? > C > Hit the function key (F1, F7 something like that - don't off-hand C > recall) at power on that gets you to the BIOS setup. Somewhere in & > there is a BOOT SRM console setting. >  >  > >Thanks in advance,  > >yi     P If you have a "half flash" machine (which I have), then the easiest way would beN to download the latest firmware, create a bootable floppy with the firmware onO it, and update the firmware that way. The instructions are on the CPQ web site.   	 Alan Burg  > >  > >  > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:54:11 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>  Subject: Re: Change of address+ Message-ID: <3B2A1383.ACD7D614@hsc.vcu.edu>   < Qua'Pla!  Hope all is well, and it's a better move, Shane...  	 Jim Agnew   " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  K > I'm leaving Health Net today, so if anyone needs to contact me I'll be on L > Shane underbar S at pacbell dot net. I probably won't be surfing the groupL > for a while either, so please send anything for me direct to that address. > Cheers all, back soon. >  > Shane    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jun 2001 07:03:02 -0700& From: jwparker@sfasu.edu (John Parker)% Subject: Databases available for VMS? = Message-ID: <229a787c.0106150603.147cf153@posting.google.com>   > We are currently using the old DEC RDB and DBMS software on an> Alphaserver 4100 running OpenVMS version 7.1-1H2.  While I wasA able to get DEC DBMS and RDB installed on this particular version > of VMS, I have been unable to successfully install them on 7.1F or 7.2-1.  These attempts to install get the "system version mismatch"@ and "must relink" error messages.  (By the way, does anyone knowF how I can get past this?  I am under the assumption that once softwareG is installed on 7.x, the software should still work with any subsequent F upgrades to a higher 7.x version, with some exceptions for other third party software packages.)     C I know that these two software packages are no longer supported and B that we should find other alternatives.  The problem is that theseE two packages are not utilized very extensively.  The computer science C department uses them for maybe two classes, tops, a semester (maybe H a total of 20-25 students).  This makes it a little hard to justify any M expenditures that may come with, say, purchasing RDB and DBMS through Oracle.   E Are there any alternative database software packages that may be more D affordable than Oracle?  We have not yet priced the software throughD Oracle but expect that it will not be priced in our range for such aD small group of users.  We are a state-run educational institution so money is a factor.  7 I would greatly appreciate any comments or suggestions.   
 Thank you,   John   Systems Programmer" Stephen F. Austin State University Nacogdoches, Texas   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:50:30 GMT % From: "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se> ) Subject: Re: Databases available for VMS? 2 Message-ID: <3B2A20B7.EE4DC751@byron.ext.telia.se>   Hi,    See  http://www.mimer.com/         >>>^P.Lj       John Parker wrote:  @ > We are currently using the old DEC RDB and DBMS software on an@ > Alphaserver 4100 running OpenVMS version 7.1-1H2.  While I wasC > able to get DEC DBMS and RDB installed on this particular version @ > of VMS, I have been unable to successfully install them on 7.1H > or 7.2-1.  These attempts to install get the "system version mismatch"B > and "must relink" error messages.  (By the way, does anyone knowH > how I can get past this?  I am under the assumption that once softwareI > is installed on 7.x, the software should still work with any subsequent H > upgrades to a higher 7.x version, with some exceptions for other third > party software packages.)  > E > I know that these two software packages are no longer supported and D > that we should find other alternatives.  The problem is that theseG > two packages are not utilized very extensively.  The computer science E > department uses them for maybe two classes, tops, a semester (maybe I > a total of 20-25 students).  This makes it a little hard to justify anynO > expenditures that may come with, say, purchasing RDB and DBMS through Oracle.c >tG > Are there any alternative database software packages that may be moreeF > affordable than Oracle?  We have not yet priced the software throughF > Oracle but expect that it will not be priced in our range for such aF > small group of users.  We are a state-run educational institution so > money is a factor. >u9 > I would greatly appreciate any comments or suggestions.  >s > Thank you, >i > John > Systems Programmer$ > Stephen F. Austin State University > Nacogdoches, Texas   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:32:58 -0400-# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> ) Subject: Re: Databases available for VMS? + Message-ID: <3B2A2AAA.22180098@hsc.vcu.edu>i  L John, I've archived this entire thread for myself.  If you don't get enough,Q email me and I'll go mining for you..  mimer in the reply you have already is onec of them.   Jimt   John Parker wrote:  @ > We are currently using the old DEC RDB and DBMS software on an@ > Alphaserver 4100 running OpenVMS version 7.1-1H2.  While I wasC > able to get DEC DBMS and RDB installed on this particular version'@ > of VMS, I have been unable to successfully install them on 7.1H > or 7.2-1.  These attempts to install get the "system version mismatch"B > and "must relink" error messages.  (By the way, does anyone knowH > how I can get past this?  I am under the assumption that once softwareI > is installed on 7.x, the software should still work with any subsequent H > upgrades to a higher 7.x version, with some exceptions for other third > party software packages.)b >hE > I know that these two software packages are no longer supported and-D > that we should find other alternatives.  The problem is that theseG > two packages are not utilized very extensively.  The computer science E > department uses them for maybe two classes, tops, a semester (maybeaI > a total of 20-25 students).  This makes it a little hard to justify any>O > expenditures that may come with, say, purchasing RDB and DBMS through Oracle.h >tG > Are there any alternative database software packages that may be moreoF > affordable than Oracle?  We have not yet priced the software throughF > Oracle but expect that it will not be priced in our range for such aF > small group of users.  We are a state-run educational institution so > money is a factor. >i9 > I would greatly appreciate any comments or suggestions.l >p > Thank you, >e > John > Systems Programmer$ > Stephen F. Austin State University > Nacogdoches, Texas   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:51:08 +02000> From: "Jean-Francois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>! Subject: dce installation problem-. Message-ID: <9gdea2$igc$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>   Hi all !  E I've just got a problem installing DCE RPC (v3.0) on VMS Alpha v7.2-1c  B Configuring ($ DEC$SETUP CONFIG) begins properly , but ends with :   ERROR.8 Error starting RPC & Security Client Services (DCE$DCED)
 Image fileD   "Sys$System:LoginOut.Exe/Input=Dce$Specific:[Var.dced]DCE$DCED.Com   not foundg   the .com file really existse. and is properly propected against [dce$server]   Any hint will be welcome3 I can mail the entire installation log if necessary    Jean-Franois Marchall X9000 - LYON   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:29:50 -0500 (CDT)t& From: Drew Shelton <drew@sematech.org>( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3- Message-ID: <01K4S9C7UABM005WOY@SEMATECH.Org>.  I My system is a DEC 3000-400, so it's interesting that someone with a DS10aG is having the same problem.  I should have said "Alpha" in the subject.r2 And yes, my original post was a command procedure.   Drew  ! John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:s? >Tried the same thing both interactively and inside a .com fileI3 >on VAX 3600 VMS V7.3 and it worked fine both ways.m  / >There must be something weird about your DS10?l  - >(Don't have V7.3 on an Alpha yet to try it.)     * >On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Paul Anderson wrote:  D >> In article <14JUN01.20232184@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave Greenwood  >> <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote: >>L >> > It's not obvious from your posting whether the "$" lines are in a .COM?H >> > I believe the original poster stated that the problem was executing& >> > those inside a command procedure. >>P >> They weren't, but I created a command procedure and the results are the same. >> >>    $ create kaka.come+ >>    $ define/nolog test$input sys$command-1 >>    $ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input string: >>    ^Z
 >>    $ @kakag >>    Testing: >> >> Paulj >> >> --a >> Paul Anderson >>  OpenVMS Engineering6 >>  Compaq Computer Corporatione >> >>   >--n >John Santos >Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.  >781-861-0670 ext 539e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:07:11 +0100c- From: "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk> ( Subject: RE: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3= Message-ID: <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE01529004@REAES2>c  F Everybody's looking for some bizarre complexities, without eliminating the simple possibilities first.n  G When you installed 7.3, did you create any new symbols or logical namesbG unintentionally?  I can think of two ways this could happen. Here is ann extract from my test..  %   [.. First here it works normally..]  $ typ test.com% $ define/nolog test$input sys$commandn+ $ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input stringa $  $ @testl	 Testing: p  ,   [.. Now I screw up the 'define' command..] $  $ define :== define /trans=termr $ @testTC %DCL-W-UNDFIL, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical name  $  $ delete /sym /glo definee    #   [.. Now I screw up SYS$COMMAND..]t $  $ define sys$command foo.bar $ @test C %DCL-W-UNDFIL, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical namey $    $ deass sys$command   D There may be others, but I would certainly more more tempted to lookD for some simple screwup rather than a bizarre corruption to DCL thatD only affects certain types of hardware! That is just too x-files for	 my taste.e  - Try SHOW SYMBOL DEFINE, SHOW SYMBOL READ, andy SHOW LOGICAL/FULL SYS$COMMAND.  C Please let us know when you find the problem. Everybody's curiosity  is aroused here.    -- Cheers, John  F  - Note  This message represents my opinions and nothing else, not theI   opinion of SEMA, my family, or the cricket club - though my dog Meg didwE   nod in agreement whilst I was typing. If you have any problems thentD   please complain to her (or me, but not SEMA, my family or the CC).       -----Original Message------ From: Drew Shelton [mailto:drew@sematech.org]a Sent: 15 June 2001 11:30 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3    I My system is a DEC 3000-400, so it's interesting that someone with a DS10yG is having the same problem.  I should have said "Alpha" in the subject.u2 And yes, my original post was a command procedure.   Drew  ! John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:r? >Tried the same thing both interactively and inside a .com file 3 >on VAX 3600 VMS V7.3 and it worked fine both ways.   / >There must be something weird about your DS10?e  - >(Don't have V7.3 on an Alpha yet to try it.)e    * >On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Paul Anderson wrote:  D >> In article <14JUN01.20232184@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave Greenwood  >> <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote: >>L >> > It's not obvious from your posting whether the "$" lines are in a .COM?H >> > I believe the original poster stated that the problem was executing& >> > those inside a command procedure. >>J >> They weren't, but I created a command procedure and the results are the same.w >> >>    $ create kaka.comy+ >>    $ define/nolog test$input sys$commandi1 >>    $ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input stringo >>    ^Z
 >>    $ @kaka  >>    Testing: >> >> Paule >> >> --r >> Paul Anderson >>  OpenVMS Engineeringd >>  Compaq Computer Corporationo >> >>   >--e >John Santos >Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.n >781-861-0670 ext 539c    K ___________________________________________________________________________ B This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the H individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are E solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of a Sema. M If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this I email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or b- copying of this email is strictly prohibited.e  B If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema UK. Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600.K ___________________________________________________________________________    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:35:55 -0500 (CDT) & From: Drew Shelton <drew@sematech.org>( Subject: RE: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3- Message-ID: <01K4SCDAS1NC005WOY@SEMATECH.Org>r  . "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk> wrote:G >Everybody's looking for some bizarre complexities, without eliminatingr  >the simple possibilities first.  6 I've eliminated all of the simple ones I can think of.  H >When you installed 7.3, did you create any new symbols or logical names >unintentionally?    Not that I know of.W   [snip]  . >Try SHOW SYMBOL DEFINE, SHOW SYMBOL READ, and >SHOW LOGICAL/FULL SYS$COMMAND.   
 Here goes:   $ show symbol define= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spellingc $ show symbol read= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spellinga $ show logical/full sys$commandaH    "SYS$COMMAND" [exec] = "_ALPHA1$FTA2:" [terminal] (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) $ set verify $ @testg% $ define/nolog test$input sys$commandf+ $ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input stringeC %DCL-W-UNDFIL, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical name   E >There may be others, but I would certainly more more tempted to lookuE >for some simple screwup rather than a bizarre corruption to DCL thatdE >only affects certain types of hardware! That is just too x-files for 
 >my taste.  I Even though the installation said nothing about a firmware problem, I wasoD still curious if somehow that's what it was.  But since someone withH different hardware sees the same thing, I think I can rule that out.  I,+ too, would prefer to find a simple screwup.s  D >Please let us know when you find the problem. Everybody's curiosity >is aroused here.   3 Will do.  I'm bracing myself for the embarrassment.e   Drew   > -- Cheers, Johnd  G > - Note  This message represents my opinions and nothing else, not thetJ >  opinion of SEMA, my family, or the cricket club - though my dog Meg didF >  nod in agreement whilst I was typing. If you have any problems thenE >  please complain to her (or me, but not SEMA, my family or the CC).5       >-----Original Message-----S. >From: Drew Shelton [mailto:drew@sematech.org] >Sent: 15 June 2001 11:30  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com) >Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3t    J >My system is a DEC 3000-400, so it's interesting that someone with a DS10H >is having the same problem.  I should have said "Alpha" in the subject.3 >And yes, my original post was a command procedure.u   >Drew:  " >John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:@ >>Tried the same thing both interactively and inside a .com file4 >>on VAX 3600 VMS V7.3 and it worked fine both ways.  0 >>There must be something weird about your DS10?  . >>(Don't have V7.3 on an Alpha yet to try it.)    + >>On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Paul Anderson wrote:k  E >>> In article <14JUN01.20232184@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave Greenwood ! >>> <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote:r >>>lM >>> > It's not obvious from your posting whether the "$" lines are in a .COM?tI >>> > I believe the original poster stated that the problem was executing ' >>> > those inside a command procedure.n >>>vK >>> They weren't, but I created a command procedure and the results are the  >same. >>>u >>>    $ create kaka.com, >>>    $ define/nolog test$input sys$command2 >>>    $ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input string	 >>>    ^Zo >>>    $ @kaka >>>    Testing:  >>>n >>> Paul >>>. >>> -- >>> Paul Andersone >>>  OpenVMS Engineering  >>>  Compaq Computer Corporation >>>  >>>l   >>--
 >>John Santost >>Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. >>781-861-0670 ext 539    L >___________________________________________________________________________B >This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of theH >individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented areE >solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those ofc >Sema.N >If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received thisI >email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or0. >copying of this email is strictly prohibited.  C >If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema UKt/ >Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600.3L >___________________________________________________________________________   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:15:54 -0600U* From: Terry Aardema <taardema@nrcan.gc.ca>( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3' Message-ID: <3B2A1899.3159@nrcan.gc.ca>    Drew Shelton wrote:u > 0 > "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk> wrote:I > >Everybody's looking for some bizarre complexities, without eliminatinga" > >the simple possibilities first. > 8 > I've eliminated all of the simple ones I can think of. > J > >When you installed 7.3, did you create any new symbols or logical names > >unintentionally?  >  > Not that I know of.e >    <SNIP>   TryH   $ SET PROCESS/PARSE=TRADITIONALi  $ and then run your command procedure.  E With parse style set to EXTENDED, the lowercased logical names aren'td
 recognizedH by DCL! I discovered this when I was trying to figure out why VMSLICENSE wouldn't work for me either.   @ And this also explains why some people have the problem and some don't...  
 Terry Aardema: Systems and Network ManagertB Natural Resources Canada/Canadian Forest Service/Northern Forestry Centre   #include <disclaimer.h>l   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:06:51 -0500 (CDT)s& From: Drew Shelton <drew@sematech.org>( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3- Message-ID: <01K4SJ6AYK7Y005ZMX@SEMATECH.Org>    Thanks, Terry, that fixed it!    Drew   >Drew Shelton wrote: >>1 >> "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk> wrote: J >> >Everybody's looking for some bizarre complexities, without eliminating# >> >the simple possibilities first.  >>9 >> I've eliminated all of the simple ones I can think of.c >>K >> >When you installed 7.3, did you create any new symbols or logical namesu >> >unintentionally? >> >> Not that I know of. >>   ><SNIP>    >Try    >$ SET PROCESS/PARSE=TRADITIONAL  % >and then run your command procedure.   F >With parse style set to EXTENDED, the lowercased logical names aren't >recognized I >by DCL! I discovered this when I was trying to figure out why VMSLICENSEx	 >wouldn'te >work for me either.  A >And this also explains why some people have the problem and somei	 >don't...t   >Terry Aardema >Systems and Network ManagerC >Natural Resources Canada/Canadian Forest Service/Northern Forestry  >Centre    >#include <disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jun 2001 22:06:40 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)t Subject: Re: Disk Farm Problem3 Message-ID: <SdDci$WhqqKt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <3B29243A.6108E4F0@vmmc.org>, Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> writes:l2 > The HSZ70s FMU utility has not shown any errors. >  > Rob Young wrote: >  >> In article <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B151B@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>, "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> writes:d >> > Hi,N >> >       are there any HW errors logged or just mount verify's.  Anything on# >> > the HSZ console output or FMU?  >> > >> >>         HSZ70>  RUN FMU( >>         FMU>    SHOW LAST MOST_RECENT >>         FMU>    EXIT  >>2 >> Might help if you aren't too familiar with FMU. >>& >>                                 Rob >   / 	Version of VMS?  All relevant patches applied?oA 	When is it happening?  Same time ?  (i.e. during backups, etc., t 	random/no pattern?)   				Robe   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:12:56 +0200 2 From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcormail.de> Subject: Re: Disk Farm Problem+ Message-ID: <3B2A09D8.1080300@arcormail.de>   E Tell your Compaq-technician that he has to get a SCSI-tester. We had tF those MVs for weeks, changing parts (controllers, cables, connectors, F terminators) for weeks until Compaq came up with this thing. In under H half an hour all faulty cables (!) were identified and everything works  fine until today!    Thomas   Jack Trachtman wrote:t   > OpenVMS V7.1-1H2 > Alphaserver 8400I > KZPBA-CB HBA connected to ESA1000 w/redundant HSZ70 controllers; latest  > sw w/patches* > HBVS & HB RAID sw creating 0+1 RAID sets > No recent SW or HW changes > E > In the past 20 days we have had three failures where VMS logs diskso > going into MOUNT9 > VERIFY status.  This has caused some programs to crash.i > G > Compaq on site each time.  After replacing various parts, VMS "seems"c > fine until next  > occrrance of problem.  > J > First time, the KZPBA-CB was replaced, and problem did not reoccur for 1 > week.g > G > Second time, SCSI cable between HBA and ESA10000 replaced and probleml	 > did notp > reoccur for 3 days.f > H > Last night, one of the HSZ70 cache-mem modules replaced.  (I had asked > for both to be3 > replaced but only one replacement was available.)e > J > Compaq is scratching there heads (along with me) as no specific HW error > msgs appear.J > Only "clue?" is that disks going into MOUNT VERIFY all are "Prefered" to > one of the8 > HSZ70 controllers.  That controller has been replaced. > D > Parts removed during first occurance have been tested at the local > Compaq site w/o failures.c > I > I have asked that the problem be escalated, since no one feels that itsT > actually been resolved.  > 7 > Would appreciate any ideas, similar experiences, etc.  > 
 > Thanks all.e >  >      -- m9 Thomas H. Pauli, Hammersteinstr.19, 14199 Berlin, Germany-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:53:28 -0400t2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Disk Farm ProblemL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1506011053280001@user-2ivebr7.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <3B2A09D8.1080300@arcormail.de>, "Thomas H. Pauli"t! <thomaspauli@arcormail.de> wrote:i  G > Tell your Compaq-technician that he has to get a SCSI-tester. We had oH > those MVs for weeks, changing parts (controllers, cables, connectors, H > terminators) for weeks until Compaq came up with this thing. In under J > half an hour all faulty cables (!) were identified and everything works  > fine until today!-  G Just out of curiosity, how many cables were faulty?  It's never(*) justl? one, which is why part-swapping is such a bad debugging method.b  H (*) This is in the SCSI standard:  "hardware components shall never fail singly."   -- n Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:33:14 +0200O2 From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcormail.de> Subject: Re: Disk Farm Problem+ Message-ID: <3B2A38CA.1080904@arcormail.de>]  C Yes, you are right. We had to replace three or four cables in both eI datacenters! But this was cheap in comparison to the four HSZ50 replaced t before the 'causal' search!    Thomas   Robert Deininger wrote:   ? > In article <3B2A09D8.1080300@arcormail.de>, "Thomas H. Pauli" # > <thomaspauli@arcormail.de> wrote:w >  > G >>Tell your Compaq-technician that he has to get a SCSI-tester. We had DH >>those MVs for weeks, changing parts (controllers, cables, connectors, H >>terminators) for weeks until Compaq came up with this thing. In under J >>half an hour all faulty cables (!) were identified and everything works  >>fine until today!r >> > I > Just out of curiosity, how many cables were faulty?  It's never(*) justaA > one, which is why part-swapping is such a bad debugging method.t > J > (*) This is in the SCSI standard:  "hardware components shall never fail
 > singly." >  >      --  9 Thomas H. Pauli, Hammersteinstr.19, 14199 Berlin, Germanyr   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:29:44 GMTo# From: Mark Hemker <hemker@home.com>o Subject: Fibre Channel problemse8 Message-ID: <p1ajit83ms8993fua1qrdr9e51b69k6pnc@4ax.com>  F Has anyone had any problems with Fibre Channel configurations and VMS?> We have had 3 problems in the last 3 months that have requiredE rebooting the systems.  Each occurence is about 1 month apart and the E only thing that appears to be the same between each occurence is that ? all of the drives go into Mount Verify on the hosts.  The first F occurence, it appeared that one of the controllers went bad and Compaq? replaced it.  The second occurence, it appeared that both FibreGF Channel switches rebooted for no apparent reason.  The third occurenceF happened tonight and I haven't heard yet from my people what happened.? From what I could see myself, all of the drives went into mount7D verify, but the switches don't appear to have rebooted.  I will knowC more in the morning.  This is getting really frustrating and CompaqgD hasn't been able to provide any assistance.  I am hoping some of you might have some ideas.   My configuration is:/ 4100 and ES40 with 2 KGPSA cards in each systemp= VMS V7.2-1, I was current on the patches as of 2-3 months ago + 8 and 16 port Compaq Fibre Channel Switchesn Dual HSG80 controllers.n   My fabric configuration is:e= The first KGPSA card in each system goes to the 8 port switch ? The second KGPSA card in each system goes to the 16 port switch C Controller 1 port A and Controller 2 port B go to the 8 port switchcD Controller 1 port B and Controller 2 port A go to the 16 port switchB The 8 port and the 16 port switch have one connection between them2 All connections on the 8 port switch are in zone 13 All connections on the 16 port switch are in zone 2h3 The ports connecting the switches are in both zones    Any help is appreciated, Mark Hemkera mhemker@remember.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:40:42 +1000 , From: Malcolm Wade <Malcolm.Wade@asx.com.au># Subject: RE: Fibre Channel problems$H Message-ID: <A8854B7F33E5D3119FDA00508B6A8C6305232786@ASX235.asx.com.au>   Mark,s  F More information please ... what FabricOS (SAN switch) version are you( running?  Also, what version of HSG ACS.  L By zoning all the ports on one switch into one zone and all the ports on theL other switch into another zone I can't see the reson to have the interswitch7 link.  In fact, this might be your problem (see below).   : Are there other servers and systems connected to this SAN?  ' Did the disks come out of mount verify?o  G I have seen 'transient' VMS mount verifies as the switches re-configuresK themselves (it's a 'feature'!).  If you've had a switch reboot, because youvI have the other switch connected to it you'll see a transient mount verify,K because your inter-switch link has gone and then come back.  Did your HSG'so reboot?r   Cheers,e Malcolmn   Malcolm J. Wadey2 Senior Systems Engineer, Australian Stock Exchange3 Level 3, 20 Bridge St, Sydney, NSW, 2000, Australiag; PO Box H224, Australia Square, Sydney, NSW, 2000, Australia @ Tel: +61 2 9227 0263, Mobile: 0417 046 925, Fax: +61 2 9227 0980 Email: Malcolm.Wade@asx.com.au Web: http://www.asx.com/       > -----Original Message-----, > From: Mark Hemker [mailto:hemker@home.com]% > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 4:30 PMO > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma! > Subject: Fibre Channel problemss >  > H > Has anyone had any problems with Fibre Channel configurations and VMS?@ > We have had 3 problems in the last 3 months that have requiredG > rebooting the systems.  Each occurence is about 1 month apart and the G > only thing that appears to be the same between each occurence is that>A > all of the drives go into Mount Verify on the hosts.  The firstMH > occurence, it appeared that one of the controllers went bad and CompaqA > replaced it.  The second occurence, it appeared that both Fibre_H > Channel switches rebooted for no apparent reason.  The third occurenceH > happened tonight and I haven't heard yet from my people what happened.A > From what I could see myself, all of the drives went into mount F > verify, but the switches don't appear to have rebooted.  I will knowE > more in the morning.  This is getting really frustrating and CompaqvF > hasn't been able to provide any assistance.  I am hoping some of you > might have some ideas. >  > My configuration is:1 > 4100 and ES40 with 2 KGPSA cards in each systemn? > VMS V7.2-1, I was current on the patches as of 2-3 months ago)- > 8 and 16 port Compaq Fibre Channel Switches_ > Dual HSG80 controllers._ >  > My fabric configuration is:-? > The first KGPSA card in each system goes to the 8 port switchrA > The second KGPSA card in each system goes to the 16 port switch E > Controller 1 port A and Controller 2 port B go to the 8 port switchJF > Controller 1 port B and Controller 2 port A go to the 16 port switchD > The 8 port and the 16 port switch have one connection between them4 > All connections on the 8 port switch are in zone 15 > All connections on the 16 port switch are in zone 2e5 > The ports connecting the switches are in both zonesh >  > Any help is appreciated,
 > Mark HemkerF > mhemker@remember.com >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:27:48 +0100L5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com>n# Subject: RE: Fibre Channel problems,N Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B151D@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  G With FC it is vital you have at least fibrescsi_v0300 if not the latest) v0400    -----Original Message-----3 From: Malcolm Wade [mailto:Malcolm.Wade@asx.com.au] # Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:41 AMl To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComL# Subject: RE: Fibre Channel problemsb     Mark,u  F More information please ... what FabricOS (SAN switch) version are you( running?  Also, what version of HSG ACS.  L By zoning all the ports on one switch into one zone and all the ports on theL other switch into another zone I can't see the reson to have the interswitch7 link.  In fact, this might be your problem (see below).   : Are there other servers and systems connected to this SAN?  ' Did the disks come out of mount verify?p  G I have seen 'transient' VMS mount verifies as the switches re-configurerK themselves (it's a 'feature'!).  If you've had a switch reboot, because youeI have the other switch connected to it you'll see a transient mount verifymK because your inter-switch link has gone and then come back.  Did your HSG's  reboot?,   Cheers,c Malcolm-   Malcolm J. Waded2 Senior Systems Engineer, Australian Stock Exchange3 Level 3, 20 Bridge St, Sydney, NSW, 2000, Australia ; PO Box H224, Australia Square, Sydney, NSW, 2000, Australial@ Tel: +61 2 9227 0263, Mobile: 0417 046 925, Fax: +61 2 9227 0980 Email: Malcolm.Wade@asx.com.au Web: http://www.asx.com/       > -----Original Message-----, > From: Mark Hemker [mailto:hemker@home.com]% > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 4:30 PMi > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ! > Subject: Fibre Channel problemsj >  > H > Has anyone had any problems with Fibre Channel configurations and VMS?@ > We have had 3 problems in the last 3 months that have requiredG > rebooting the systems.  Each occurence is about 1 month apart and thewG > only thing that appears to be the same between each occurence is that A > all of the drives go into Mount Verify on the hosts.  The firstnH > occurence, it appeared that one of the controllers went bad and CompaqA > replaced it.  The second occurence, it appeared that both FibresH > Channel switches rebooted for no apparent reason.  The third occurenceH > happened tonight and I haven't heard yet from my people what happened.A > From what I could see myself, all of the drives went into mount F > verify, but the switches don't appear to have rebooted.  I will knowE > more in the morning.  This is getting really frustrating and Compaq>F > hasn't been able to provide any assistance.  I am hoping some of you > might have some ideas. >  > My configuration is:1 > 4100 and ES40 with 2 KGPSA cards in each systemC? > VMS V7.2-1, I was current on the patches as of 2-3 months ago>- > 8 and 16 port Compaq Fibre Channel Switchest > Dual HSG80 controllers._ >  > My fabric configuration is:_? > The first KGPSA card in each system goes to the 8 port switchsA > The second KGPSA card in each system goes to the 16 port switchvE > Controller 1 port A and Controller 2 port B go to the 8 port switchnF > Controller 1 port B and Controller 2 port A go to the 16 port switchD > The 8 port and the 16 port switch have one connection between them4 > All connections on the 8 port switch are in zone 15 > All connections on the 16 port switch are in zone 2o5 > The ports connecting the switches are in both zonese >  > Any help is appreciated,
 > Mark Hemker2 > mhemker@remember.com >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:40:09 GMT-# From: Mark Hemker <hemker@home.com>u# Subject: Re: Fibre Channel problemsa8 Message-ID: <d1vjit8scdpusd53dfs1ntm5ts8u8q0no0@4ax.com>  D The FabricOS is 2.1.7.  And I am running HSG ACS V8.5.  There are noE other servers on the SAN.  It is just the 2 systems, 2 switches and 2o HSG80s.i  E I may not have waited long enough, but the drives did not come out ofsB mount verify.  They were in mount verify for at least an hour each time.o  A The HSGs did not reboot the second time.  I don't think that theylB rebooted last night either.  I won't know what is happening on the; HSGs until I get into the office and I can connect to them.h  @ I think I had the ISL in place for additional redundancy so thatA traffic could route between the switches if it needed to for somer reason.h  - I am running fibrescsi_v0300 on both systems.l   Mark  0 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:40:42 +1000, Malcolm Wade  <Malcolm.Wade@asx.com.au> wrote:   >Mark, > G >More information please ... what FabricOS (SAN switch) version are youn) >running?  Also, what version of HSG ACS.t > M >By zoning all the ports on one switch into one zone and all the ports on theuM >other switch into another zone I can't see the reson to have the interswitchR8 >link.  In fact, this might be your problem (see below). >M; >Are there other servers and systems connected to this SAN?  >e( >Did the disks come out of mount verify? >.H >I have seen 'transient' VMS mount verifies as the switches re-configureL >themselves (it's a 'feature'!).  If you've had a switch reboot, because youJ >have the other switch connected to it you'll see a transient mount verifyL >because your inter-switch link has gone and then come back.  Did your HSG's >reboot? >t >Cheers, >Malcolm >  >Malcolm J. Wade3 >Senior Systems Engineer, Australian Stock Exchangeo4 >Level 3, 20 Bridge St, Sydney, NSW, 2000, Australia< >PO Box H224, Australia Square, Sydney, NSW, 2000, AustraliaA >Tel: +61 2 9227 0263, Mobile: 0417 046 925, Fax: +61 2 9227 0980S >Email: Malcolm.Wade@asx.com.aue >Web: http://www.asx.com/n >h >o >p >> -----Original Message-----i- >> From: Mark Hemker [mailto:hemker@home.com]t& >> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 4:30 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" >> Subject: Fibre Channel problems >> l >> .I >> Has anyone had any problems with Fibre Channel configurations and VMS?rA >> We have had 3 problems in the last 3 months that have requiredPH >> rebooting the systems.  Each occurence is about 1 month apart and theH >> only thing that appears to be the same between each occurence is thatB >> all of the drives go into Mount Verify on the hosts.  The firstI >> occurence, it appeared that one of the controllers went bad and CompaqeB >> replaced it.  The second occurence, it appeared that both FibreI >> Channel switches rebooted for no apparent reason.  The third occurence I >> happened tonight and I haven't heard yet from my people what happened.>B >> From what I could see myself, all of the drives went into mountG >> verify, but the switches don't appear to have rebooted.  I will knowrF >> more in the morning.  This is getting really frustrating and CompaqG >> hasn't been able to provide any assistance.  I am hoping some of you  >> might have some ideas.c >>   >> My configuration is:	2 >> 4100 and ES40 with 2 KGPSA cards in each system@ >> VMS V7.2-1, I was current on the patches as of 2-3 months ago. >> 8 and 16 port Compaq Fibre Channel Switches >> Dual HSG80 controllers. >> r >> My fabric configuration is:@ >> The first KGPSA card in each system goes to the 8 port switchB >> The second KGPSA card in each system goes to the 16 port switchF >> Controller 1 port A and Controller 2 port B go to the 8 port switchG >> Controller 1 port B and Controller 2 port A go to the 16 port switchuE >> The 8 port and the 16 port switch have one connection between them 5 >> All connections on the 8 port switch are in zone 1 6 >> All connections on the 16 port switch are in zone 26 >> The ports connecting the switches are in both zones >>   >> Any help is appreciated,  >> Mark Hemker >> mhemker@remember.comV >> g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:42:50 -0400m+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> # Subject: RE: Fibre Channel problemssR Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF48DBE38@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Mark,a  A Customer Service has a few FW upgrades's available for the HSG80.S  I While not all Customers have seen these problems, if you are experiencinguJ some intermittent path switch, or errors that show up as intermittent diskJ errors ($ Show errors) your HSG80 FW should be at something like V8.5-3 or V8.5-4..   Also, are you using SWCC ?   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior ConsultantW Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicesh Voice: 613-592-4660O Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----* From: Mark Hemker [mailto:hemker@home.com] Sent: June 15, 2001 8:40 AMn To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp# Subject: Re: Fibre Channel problemsa    D The FabricOS is 2.1.7.  And I am running HSG ACS V8.5.  There are noE other servers on the SAN.  It is just the 2 systems, 2 switches and 2e HSG80s.   E I may not have waited long enough, but the drives did not come out of B mount verify.  They were in mount verify for at least an hour each time.u  A The HSGs did not reboot the second time.  I don't think that theynB rebooted last night either.  I won't know what is happening on the; HSGs until I get into the office and I can connect to them.<  @ I think I had the ISL in place for additional redundancy so thatA traffic could route between the switches if it needed to for someg reason.-  - I am running fibrescsi_v0300 on both systems.    Mark  0 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:40:42 +1000, Malcolm Wade  <Malcolm.Wade@asx.com.au> wrote:   >Mark, > G >More information please ... what FabricOS (SAN switch) version are youn) >running?  Also, what version of HSG ACS.o >uI >By zoning all the ports on one switch into one zone and all the ports onh thetA >other switch into another zone I can't see the reson to have theS interswitch"8 >link.  In fact, this might be your problem (see below). >t; >Are there other servers and systems connected to this SAN?- >-( >Did the disks come out of mount verify? >0H >I have seen 'transient' VMS mount verifies as the switches re-configureL >themselves (it's a 'feature'!).  If you've had a switch reboot, because youJ >have the other switch connected to it you'll see a transient mount verifyL >because your inter-switch link has gone and then come back.  Did your HSG's >reboot? >s >Cheers, >Malcolm >o >Malcolm J. Wade3 >Senior Systems Engineer, Australian Stock Exchange 4 >Level 3, 20 Bridge St, Sydney, NSW, 2000, Australia< >PO Box H224, Australia Square, Sydney, NSW, 2000, AustraliaA >Tel: +61 2 9227 0263, Mobile: 0417 046 925, Fax: +61 2 9227 0980o >Email: Malcolm.Wade@asx.com.aue >Web: http://www.asx.com/h >i >h >. >> -----Original Message-----f- >> From: Mark Hemker [mailto:hemker@home.com] & >> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 4:30 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" >> Subject: Fibre Channel problems >> a >> nI >> Has anyone had any problems with Fibre Channel configurations and VMS?hA >> We have had 3 problems in the last 3 months that have required H >> rebooting the systems.  Each occurence is about 1 month apart and theH >> only thing that appears to be the same between each occurence is thatB >> all of the drives go into Mount Verify on the hosts.  The firstI >> occurence, it appeared that one of the controllers went bad and Compaq>B >> replaced it.  The second occurence, it appeared that both FibreI >> Channel switches rebooted for no apparent reason.  The third occurenceoI >> happened tonight and I haven't heard yet from my people what happened.iB >> From what I could see myself, all of the drives went into mountG >> verify, but the switches don't appear to have rebooted.  I will knowiF >> more in the morning.  This is getting really frustrating and CompaqG >> hasn't been able to provide any assistance.  I am hoping some of youb >> might have some ideas.n >> e >> My configuration is:d2 >> 4100 and ES40 with 2 KGPSA cards in each system@ >> VMS V7.2-1, I was current on the patches as of 2-3 months ago. >> 8 and 16 port Compaq Fibre Channel Switches >> Dual HSG80 controllers. >>   >> My fabric configuration is:@ >> The first KGPSA card in each system goes to the 8 port switchB >> The second KGPSA card in each system goes to the 16 port switchF >> Controller 1 port A and Controller 2 port B go to the 8 port switchG >> Controller 1 port B and Controller 2 port A go to the 16 port switchpE >> The 8 port and the 16 port switch have one connection between themi5 >> All connections on the 8 port switch are in zone 1e6 >> All connections on the 16 port switch are in zone 26 >> The ports connecting the switches are in both zones >> n >> Any help is appreciated,h >> Mark Hemker >> mhemker@remember.com  >> o   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jun 2001 21:38:31 -0500+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)nB Subject: RE: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses3 Message-ID: <BHgI0bpCiXah@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  z In article <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1F67@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>, Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> writes: >> -----Original Message-----0: >> From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@compaq.com] > ? >> We have some folks here in engineering who on occasion have 0 >> had orange hair.S > M > For the record, I'd like to say that my hair has never been orange.  It has) > been purple, but not orange. > A >> a group we seemed to go with the more nerd/hippie/ genX  look o
 >> and skipedlI >> right over the Disco era, which is a good thing, VMS engineers in poly ? >> suites with gold necklaces would really mess up folks heads ( >> not to mention ! >> what it would do to IQ points.n > . > I'd bet disco just drains them right out. :) > M > Don't polyester suits have enough disadvantages to scare any engineer away,r
 > anyway?  > M > It surprised me recently when I found out that disco never really died.  Itr > turned into techno. (ick! :) >   G Ah, it's just how it is marketed.  Techo = 90s disco with a better rep.c. Squirrel = fuzzy tailed rat with a better rep.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:31:25 +0100x- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>0B Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses1 Message-ID: <3B29C7DD.93E3D156@BlueBubble.UK.Com>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:M > : > "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> wrote in message > news:sb28ce62.082@aaas.org...kN > One would think all you have to do is vomit on the ambassador to Sun or IBM.N > Personally, I think of the guy who pied Bill Gates in the face as an OpenVMS > Goodwill Ambassador. > N > How true. Pie-projection beats projectile vomiting every time. The notoriousG > Belgians who pied His Gateness got eighty-dollar fines and much fame.oM > President Bush the Elder whoopsed in the lap of the Japanese Grand Frobozz,e( > and went on to lose the 1992 election. > I > Seriously, the VMS Ambassadors are all very valuable to the VMS effort.eE > Charlie Matco informs me that a goodly percentage of VMS revenue is  > Ambassador-driven.  D One "small" thing:  you have to be a Compaq employee to become a VMSF Ambassador (and contractors within Compaq are not eligible ... I know, I tried when I was there).  A So we need a name for folks who see themselves as sort of amateur  ambassadors ... Amatassadors ?  	 Roy Omondl Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:50:43 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)B Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of MosesL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1506011050440001@user-2ivebr7.dialup.mindspring.com>  ; In article <3B29C7DD.93E3D156@BlueBubble.UK.Com>, Roy Omonda$ <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote:  _C > So we need a name for folks who see themselves as sort of amateurs  > ambassadors ... Amatassadors ?   Zealots?   -- c Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:24:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>tB Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses, Message-ID: <3B2A44CB.F76E14FA@videotron.ca>   Robert Deininger wrote:eE > > So we need a name for folks who see themselves as sort of amateur " > > ambassadors ... Amatassadors ? > 
 > Zealots?   [remaining] customers.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:51:53 -0700 % From: Thomas OToole <tom@realbig.com>LB Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses+ Message-ID: <3B2A4B3A.DD9DA431@realbig.com>D  H Now come on now. Windows is the best. It must be, it's the most popular. You're just jealous!   -Tom O'Toole   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > John Eisenschmidt wrote: > >mH > > One would think all you have to do is vomit on the ambassador to SunJ > > or IBM. Personally, I think of the guy who pied Bill Gates in the face% > > as an OpenVMS Goodwill Ambassadors >.E > There's something else I'd like to smush in BG's face; but, decorumi > prohibits mentioning it here.h >o > -- > David J. Dachteraz > dba DJE Systemst > http://www.djesys.com/ >n< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l >(H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. >tB > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:00:09 -0400m2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger). Subject: Re: IP terminal server and TCPIP 5.0AL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1506011100100001@user-2ivebr7.dialup.mindspring.com>  > In article <9gb5fs$r2m$1@nereid.worldonline.nl>, "Wim.Beckers" <Wim.Beckers@cmg.nl> wrote:e  < > When the IP terminal server is disconnected or crashed the7 > corresponding TNA  devices are  going to a state theyu > never can recover from.   * Can you descibe this state in more detail?    = > As soon the IP terminal is running properly  the TNA device:@ > should reconnect automatically. This is however not occurring.  I Are you using the "virtual terminal" feature?  There are several steps tonA enable that.  AFAIK, reconnecting doesn't happen "automatically".    -- d Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:07:51 -0400e+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>e. Subject: Re: IP terminal server and TCPIP 5.0A# Message-ID: <sb29ec9e.061@aaas.org>f  G I haven't seen it reconnect "automatically". I had a session crash, I = I reconnected and was asked if I wanted to reconnect to session X. I said =e) yes and was right back where I'd leftoff.g  I >>> Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> 06/15/2001 11:00:09 AM =  >>>y> In article <9gb5fs$r2m$1@nereid.worldonline.nl>, "Wim.Beckers" <Wim.Beckers@cmg.nl> wrote:o  < > When the IP terminal server is disconnected or crashed the7 > corresponding TNA  devices are  going to a state they  > never can recover from.g  * Can you descibe this state in more detail?    = > As soon the IP terminal is running properly  the TNA devices@ > should reconnect automatically. This is however not occurring.  I Are you using the "virtual terminal" feature?  There are several steps tosA enable that.  AFAIK, reconnecting doesn't happen "automatically".a   --=20  Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comA   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:22:09 GMTn1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>o/ Subject: Re: Is the DFU source code available ?h8 Message-ID: <lllW6.216$4W1.47859@nostril.pacific.net.au>  . Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote:I > Sources for older versions used to be available, but I haven't seen anyr$ > sources for the last few versions.  K > (The V4.0 Freeware CD has sources for DFU V2.2, but nothing more recent.)   A 	Speaking of DFU, it seems V2.7 has a peculiar bug, as it reports D 	that a particular disk has its highwater marking turned on, when itA 	it is obviously not. ( Checked with ANAL/SYS, SHOW DEV/FULL,...)d    	Thought I mention it...			Csaba  I    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- E    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehog E    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.oI    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:16:50 -0500S1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> / Subject: Re: Is the DFU source code available ?t' Message-ID: <3B2A18D2.BD39E740@fsi.net>o   CSABA HARANGOZO wrote: > 0 > Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote:K > > Sources for older versions used to be available, but I haven't seen any & > > sources for the last few versions. > M > > (The V4.0 Freeware CD has sources for DFU V2.2, but nothing more recent.)o > J >         Speaking of DFU, it seems V2.7 has a peculiar bug, as it reportsM >         that a particular disk has its highwater marking turned on, when itaJ >         it is obviously not. ( Checked with ANAL/SYS, SHOW DEV/FULL,...)   Did you get the V2.7-1 ECO?e  4 http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/dfufree27eco1.zip   Note:h@ While I recommend DFU and find highly useful, I don't support or* maintain DFU - I just have this available.   -- e David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsf http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:23:41 -050061 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a) Subject: Re: It's a VMS anniversary todayw' Message-ID: <3B2A1A6D.F2D5F8D1@fsi.net>l   Jerry Leslie wrote:: > 5 > Terry C. Shannon (terryshannon@mediaone.net) wrote:nK > : So VMS is 25? Still in the prime of its life given COE compliance, etc.r > :sL > : Wonder if we'll be able to say the same about Windoze 2018 when NT/Win2K  > : hits 25 in another 17 years? > :n >  > Hopefully we'll just hear: > # >   "Grandpa, what was Windows NT?"u  
 Better still:m   	"Grandpa, what was Windows?"    -- p David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:53:01 -0500,+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>e) Subject: RE: It's a VMS anniversary todayTL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1F6E@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]   > Better still:  >  > 	"Grandpa, what was Windows?"y   Or even better:,   	"...what was Microsoft?"    Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");t 'g   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jun 2001 09:25:58 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)C) Subject: Re: It's a VMS anniversary today , Message-ID: <r9iL93xnjCy1@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  S In article <9gc39g$hp4$1@joe.rice.edu>, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes:t5 > Terry C. Shannon (terryshannon@mediaone.net) wrote: K > : So VMS is 25? Still in the prime of its life given COE compliance, etc.r > :nL > : Wonder if we'll be able to say the same about Windoze 2018 when NT/Win2K  > : hits 25 in another 17 years? > :  >  > Hopefully we'll just hear: > # >   "Grandpa, what was Windows NT?"0  6   Or, dare we hope: "Grandpa, what was Microsoft?" ;-)   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jun 2001 13:33:00 GMT From: Candy<candy1982@aol.com>" Subject: LIVE TEEN CAM in my ROOM!. Message-ID: <9gd2qc$ntg$19062@cyan.nl.gxn.net>  < http://jarnc.tripod.com BONDAGE CAMS, EVERYTHING for FREE!!!  K Just visit or mail me, or SEE ME AT http://jarnc.tripod.com Love, CaNdY! ;)    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jun 2001 09:48:07 -0700# From: kmannist@gm.com (k. Mannisto) . Subject: MV-3800 & kzqsa Installing, need help= Message-ID: <30b1936e.0106150848.6e9541e0@posting.google.com>r  8 I have searched WEB and Compaq sites and can not find a A procedure that explains how to install a kzqsa-sa scsi card on a m
 Mic.VAX-3800.k  1 Using autogen did not achieve the desire results.V  M Console mode "configure" does not list the kzqsa as available for installing..  & Any help would be greatly appreciated.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:18:25 +0200e* From: Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>; Subject: Re: No license is active for this software product 7 Message-ID: <992607504.940855@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>    > Thomas Hahnemann wrote:e >  > > Hi,  > > 8 > > I've got this message form a DEC-Aplha with VMS7.1 : > >t2 > > No license is active for this software product7 > > %REM-S-END, control returned to node LOCAL:.ANTON::n > >e8 > > during login over decnet from a host which has run a< > > long time as standby system. Login at the system console3 > > works and all processes seems to run fine. Also 5 > > set host on this machine or create term /nologgino > > returns this message.   F There are no (valid) VMS licenses on this system. Log in at the systemG console and do a LICENSE LIST *VMS*. If there are one or more licenses,a do a   LICENSE LOAD <x>  G where <x> are the name(s) for your VMS licenses, as returned by LICENSE E LIST. If there are some error message, please post them so I can give  additional info.   Kind greetings, Ferrye   -- o Ing. Ferry Bolhar-Nordenkampft Municipality of Vienna Municipality Department 14
 A-1010 Vienna  E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.atu  : "Wenn hier einer schuld ist, dann immer nur der Computer."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:10:06 +0200w* From: Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>@ Subject: Re: openVMS concurrent user licences (v7.2 on MicroVAX)7 Message-ID: <992607006.507126@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>m   Jon Pickup schrieb:  > G > Can anyone help me out with how to establish how many concurrent user  > licences I have on my system?  >  > SHOW LIC /CHARGE shows...y > + > VMS/LMF Charge Information for node BELF1b5 > This is a MicroVAX 3100-85, hardware model type 490lM > Type: A, Units Required: 60 (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)s1 > Type: B, * Not Permitted * (VAX/VMS F&A Server)e > C >    ---->   Type: C, Units Required: 100 (VAX/VMS Concurrent User)C > 2 > Type: D, * Not Permitted * (VAX/VMS Workstation)C > Type: E, Units Required: 230 (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)h4 > Type: F, Units Required: 20 (VAX Layered Products)' > Type: G, * Not Permitted * (Reserved) 5 > Type: H, * Not Permitted * (Alpha Layered Products) 0 > Type: I, Units Required: 20 (Layered Products) >  > ...and SHOW LIC shows....v >   > Active licenses on node BELF1:= > ------- Product ID -------- ---- Rating ----- -- Version --r@ > Product Producer Units Avail Activ Version Release Termination. > BASE-VMS-250136 DEC 60 0 A 0.0 (none) (none)/ > NET-APP-SUP-200 DEC 200 F 0 0.0 (none) (none)c0 > PWLMDOSCC05.01 DEC 100 0 100 0.0 (none) (none)0 > PWNWXXXFP05.00 DEC 100 0 100 0.0 (none) (none) > 4 >   ---->  VMS-USER DEC 1200 0 100 0.0 (none) (none) > K > Compaq reckoned that I divide the 1200 by the 100 to get 12, then add onerH > for the base user, to get 13 as an upper limit. But then they couldn'tJ > explain how come we seemed to be routinely exceeding 13. Which leaves me > nowhere again...   The key here is:  , BASE-VMS-250136 DEC 60 0 A 0.0 (none) (none)  G This is an unlimited VMS Capacity license. It provides unlimited accessdH to the system. You could remove the VMS-USER license at your users still could login.  H The Compaq interpretation of this base license is incorrect - as you canG see on your own system with SHOW LICENSE/USAGE *VMS* - it will tell youh4 how the system makes use of the loaded VMS licenses.   Kind greetings, Ferryn   --   Ing. Ferry Bolhar-NordenkampfA Municipality of Vienna Municipality Department 14
 A-1010 Viennav E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at   : "Wenn hier einer schuld ist, dann immer nur der Computer."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:18:19 +0100h* From: "Pete" <peter@pahpc.freeserve.co.uk>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS v7.3 and TCPIP V5.1/ Message-ID: <9gdfo5$bvi$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>-   Cheers Brad - Will don  	     Pete.1D "Bradford J. Hamilton" <hamilton@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:KRHOOHV$$nLn@eisner.encompasserve.org...s
 > Hi Pete, > L > Look in the CONTROL-M startup files, to see how CONTROL-M determines which > IP stack is being used.. >.H > In the agent version, CONTROL-M checks for the existence of either the UCX$INET_ACPL > of TCPIP$INET_ACP process names.  This indicates to CONTROL-M that you are running UCX (V4.*)' > or TCPIP (V5.*) - COMPAQ's IP stacks.o >gE > V5.1 of TCPIP changes the process name of the Internet daemon from:b > ! > TCPIP$INET_ACP to TCPIP$INETACPt
 >           ^ K > which, of course, "breaks" the CONTROL-M startup routine (CONTROL-M can'ts7 figure out what IP stack you are using, and so, exits).g >MI > This "feature" is undocumented in the TCPIP release notes - some peoplel; would consider this a bug.  I'll be charitable, and call itnK > an "undocumented feature".  It could be argued, of course, that CONTROL-Me7 should use some other method of verifying the existencewG > of an IP stack (parsing the output of "TCPIP(UCX) SHO VERSION" is ones+ method that comes to mind), but they don't.h >  > HTH, >  > Brad >s7 > In article <9gb4ge$m2i$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Pete"r% <peter@pahpc.freeserve.co.uk> writes:h > > Hi Brad,J > >     We are using the server (on some servers Oracle RDB and others theI > > dedicated SYBASE server). We are currently running  Compaq's IP stackp (UCX	 > > 4.2). J > >     We obviously intend to move to UCX 5.n -  whatever is current when we > > go.h > >" > >     Cheers.J > >iH > > "Bradford J. Hamilton" <hamilton@encompasserve.org> wrote in message1 > > news:Fu0XRUivWT3U@eisner.encompasserve.org...o
 > >> Hi Pete,s > >>I > >> Are you using the "agent" version of CONTROL-M?  If so, which TCP/IP  stack  > > do you use?d > >>J > >> I ask, because V5.1 (and later) of COMPAQ's TCP/IP stack "breaks" the > > agent version of CONTROL-M.o > >>B > >> See my post in the TCP news group, or follow up here, if your environmentw: > > matches the above, and I can provide you with details, > >> including a "fix".e > >> > >> Thanks,	 > >> BradS > >>< > >> >In article <9g3c3o$cgi$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Pete") > > <peter@pahpc.freeserve.co.uk> writes:V
 > >> > Hi,L > >> >     we are currently about to embark on an upgrade process to get our	 > > AlphaeI > >> > systems up to OVMS V7.3. Does anyone out there use BMC's Control-Mo > > (LatesthL > >> > Ver fd3802 I'm told ) and Sterling S/W's Connect:Direct (V3.1-00) and
 > > have U( > >> > had any problems with OVMS V7.3 ? > >> > > >> >     Tia     Pete. > >> > > >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:09:15 +0100.% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>m7 Subject: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linuxg8 Message-ID: <4jtjitgvqk9j6cjabcs3n9krstd7d2v0h6@4ax.com>  > Some of you may recall that Mike Winkler announced that CompaqB clustering technology was to be transferred to Oracle and that theE intended main benefactor of this would be Oracle on Intel/Windows and.D Linux. Or at least that's how I interpreted and reported the speech.  D I got a lot of flames at the time saying that was a load of crap andF that Winkler was talking nonsense or was misquoted. A few months laterA came the formal announcement but some still spinned this as beinggF great for Tru-64 as that would be where the technology was implementedF and pushed first. Well just look at what Oracle's Ken Jacob's told The; Register: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19704.html    ===QUOTE===-F And what else can we expect from 9i, I understand that clustering is a big push this year?   F The big news is clustering, the Oracle Real Application Clusters, thatE will take scalability and availability in to new areas. It's going to ? be a lot more cost effective for the organizations that use our'F products too. This can be used to deliver new levels of scalability to1 applications.- and no one can compete with that.    4 But haven't IBM and Microsoft already tackled that?   E To be honest I'm pleased that these two have been talking about their C clustering technologies because, with one look at ours, people willlC see that our developments are far more significant, we are offeringe> transparent scalability. We are reducing the cost of ownershipF considerably by enabling organizations to cluster just about anything,A Intel boxes, Linux boxes, a multitude of configurations, and thatn6 saves the customer the expense of running mainframes.  ===END QUOTE-===  C So there we have it. Oracle pushes the new clustering technology one? Linux and Intel but makes no mention of Compaq. The intervieweruC doesn't seem even aware that clustering has been around long before-( "IBM and Microsoft already tackled that"  ? Anyone care to spin this in a Compaq positive fashion? The onlycE possible positive I can see is that there might be some better/faster1D code in the T64 implementation but nothing here mentions that and it@ obviously isn't being pushed if that is the case. Anyone know ifD Compaq receives a royalty per sale or did Oracle just make a one off payment.  ? "Save the customer the expense of running mainframes could alsoe7 suggest "we'll push this at sites running VMS with RDB"  -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:27:14 +0100a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>r; Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linuxa8 Message-ID: <fa2kitk6b9tm2dv4g0vq0jjmi79gmc137k@4ax.com>  E Just found a Compaq press release talking about this. Here's a couples
 of quotes:  A "Oracle Chairman and CEO Larry Ellison is expected to demonstrate0@ today to press and analysts an Oracle9i Real Application Cluster@ configuration running Linux on a four-node Compaq ProLiant DL580@ server, proving the performance and scalability of Oracle9i Real Application Clusters"c  A And then a quote from Mike Winkler himself this time highlightinge Alpha/Tru-64  to his credit:  E "By working with a global industry leader like Oracle, we are able to D continue building on our strengths in high performance computing and@ clustering as the capacity in Internet architecture continues to> increase," said Mike Winkler, executive vice president, Global? Business Units, Compaq Computer Corporation. "The Oracle9i Real D Application Clusters and Compaq's Tru64 UNIX offering truly reflects= the strength of our industry lead in clustering technology." a  ? So Oracle are demoing the technology on Linux/Intel (admittedlyvE Compaq) and, I believe Intel/Windows although this press release doesFA not mention that, but Compaq are spinning towards Tru-64. This istE definitely sounding more and more like the DEC RDB deal. Or, in other- words, Oracle wins.    Compaq press release atS8 http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2001/pr2001061401.html -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:22:21 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>m; Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linuxb, Message-ID: <3B2A444D.9D864C49@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote:T@ > increase," said Mike Winkler, executive vice president, GlobalA > Business Units, Compaq Computer Corporation. "The Oracle9i Real F > Application Clusters and Compaq's Tru64 UNIX offering truly reflects> > the strength of our industry lead in clustering technology."  I Since VMS clustering is still far ahead of True64's, whenever some Compaq-L employee wants to use the word "leadership" in the context of clustering, he1 should be forced to use "VMS" instead of "Tru64".a  8 Of course, if Oracle9i isn't available on VMS... well...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:32:48 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>;; Subject: RE: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and LinuxrR Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF49A296E@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF -  ? >>>> Of course, if Oracle9i isn't available on VMS... well...<<9  . Check out: (Oracle 9i, Oracle Apps db support)? http://www.openvms.compaq.com/solutions/oracle/openvms_sod.htmleH http://www.openvms.compaq.com/solutions/oracle/LEtter_of_commitment.html  J re: clustering terms... Personally, I might say "the best UNIX clustering"J vs "the best NT clustering" vs the "best clustering" for OpenVMS, but thatG would likely start another long series of threads..so I won't say it ..s   :-)t   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanti Compaq Canada Inc. Professional ServicesH Voice: 613-592-4660i Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca] Sent: June 15, 2001 1:22 PMn To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi; Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linuxw     Alan Greig wrote:i@ > increase," said Mike Winkler, executive vice president, GlobalA > Business Units, Compaq Computer Corporation. "The Oracle9i Real F > Application Clusters and Compaq's Tru64 UNIX offering truly reflects> > the strength of our industry lead in clustering technology."  I Since VMS clustering is still far ahead of True64's, whenever some Compaq L employee wants to use the word "leadership" in the context of clustering, he1 should be forced to use "VMS" instead of "Tru64".u  8 Of course, if Oracle9i isn't available on VMS... well...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:28:29 +0100r% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>V6 Subject: Re: OT: I'm just a "pup" The meaning of WHEEL8 Message-ID: <oogjitotul92rv6ed0euo8cmdb21vi36h9@4ax.com>  B On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:09:17 GMT, LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com wrote:    : >long ago, I've heard the phrase "Wheel" bandied about in < >a context implying system/superuser level priv's,  and had 5 >always assumed it was some colloquial/slang phrase, r >perhaps fromt the UK .. >n+ >it wasn't ?  was it  specific to TOPS-20 ?s  E On TOPS-20 WHEEL was a capability similar to VMS's SETPRV. With WHEELtA you could turn on any other priv whether you had it or not. Other ? privs included OPERATOR, NET-WIZARD, ABSOLUTE-ARPANET-SOCKETS,, E FIELD-SERVICE etc.. The same privilege mask was also present in TENEXe? (ran on KA-10 and above) on which TOPS-20 was based. Any formere3 TOPS-10 or TENEX user will well remember the error: & ?WHEEL OR OPERATOR CAPABILITY REQUIRED  E On TOPS-10 you could . R WHEEL (RUN SYS:WHEEL) to become a privileged1B user. Can't recall exactly what this did. May have changed the PPN (UIC).  @  I found the following references in  one of the Internet jargonC files. Note that wheel wars really did occur  and hacker is used ina' that reference in its original meaning.   
 wheel bit n. t  D A privilege bit that allows the possessor to perform some restrictedD operation on a timesharing system, such as read or write any file onF the system regardless of protections, change or look at any address inC the running monitor, crash or reload the system, and kill or createnD jobs and user accounts. The term was invented on the TENEX operatingE system, and carried over to TOPS-20, XEROX-IFS, and others. The state E of being in a privileged logon is sometimes called `wheel mode'. ThisoB term entered the Unix culture from TWENEX in the mid-1980s and hasB been gaining popularity there (esp. at university sites). See also root.   	 wheel n.    B [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] A person who has anC active wheel bit. "We need to find a wheel to unwedge the hung tapeaF drives." (See wedged, sense 1.) The traditional name of security group? zero in BSD (to which the major system-internal users like rootc= belong) is `wheel'. Some vendors have expanded on this usage,nB modifying Unix so that only members of group `wheel' can go root.    wheel wars n.   C [Stanford University] A period in larval stage during which student D hackers hassle each other by attempting to log each other out of theE system, delete each other's files, and otherwise wreak havoc, usuallyn$ at the expense of the lesser users.                >@   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:35:40 +0100d- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>iF Subject: Re: OT: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses1 Message-ID: <3B28E7DC.9515F5DF@BlueBubble.UK.Com>t  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > S > In article <sb289497.071@aaas.org>, John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes:1J > >Twenty Years Ago I still was still watching Sesame Street all morning =O > >because I was too young to be in school. Ask Bill Gunshannon about my blue =9 > >hair. <g> > I > I'm still watching Sesame Street all morning but only because I've a 19g > month old toddling about.l  J So, Brian, after your microVAXen, what have you called your 19 month old ?   DS10 ?  :-)o  H I was also watching Sesame Street 23 years ago (or rather Sesamstrasse).D That's how I originally learned German (to learn a foreign language,L the best way is to go very quickly through a second, or third, childhood :-)  	 Roy Omondh Blue Bubble Ltd. Age: %x30 %o60   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:17:09 GMTi= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)VF Subject: Re: OT: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses0 Message-ID: <009FD904.6B325A13@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <3B28E7DC.9515F5DF@BlueBubble.UK.Com>, Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> writes:n' >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:o >> .T >> In article <sb289497.071@aaas.org>, John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes:K >> >Twenty Years Ago I still was still watching Sesame Street all morning = P >> >because I was too young to be in school. Ask Bill Gunshannon about my blue =
 >> >hair. <g>0 >> rJ >> I'm still watching Sesame Street all morning but only because I've a 19 >> month old toddling about. >eK >So, Brian, after your microVAXen, what have you called your 19 month old ?  >  >DS10 ?  :-)  J In case you missed the birth announcement I posted here, here it is again:  L     ------------------------------------------------------------------------:                    Announcing the release of MicroVAX-IV.   J      The MicroVAX-IV, in production for the past 38 weeks, was released atI    05-NOV-1999 14:55. This model, code named Kevin, is presently a laptop M version MicroVAX. Weighing in at just 7 pounds and 14 ounces and measuring 19eO    inches in overall length, this MicroVAX was released with a male adaptor for/R  peripheral device interconnect and system output. Over time, it's hoped that thisR  MicroVAX, like the three models preceeding it, will grow to be a larger unit withP   more processing power, better interfacing protocols, and require less operator-                                intervention. d  S As for its development and production staff, all are well and pleased with this newdK      model. However, this will be the final MicroVAX to be produced by this0O  development group. The production lines have been severed which will allow theCO    engineering staff to collaborate in the future without the RISC of producing 3                         follow-on MicroVAX models. oL     ------------------------------------------------------------------------  J Presently, due to accrued mass storage needs, this final microVAX is now aJ lofty 33 lbs.  This model is presently capable of interfacing with a very J rudimentary communication protocol but has occasional bursts of error thatI makes it very difficult to comprehend the intended program function.  ThevK reams of output generated by this model still require constant operator in-a tervention for disposal.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn            tO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:28:59 -0400a+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>i8 Subject: OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup# Message-ID: <sb29e37c.068@aaas.org>   I What's with this "Grandpa" stuff? I plan to drop dead at my desk by the = C time I'm 30. I'm hoping it hits as I'm waiting for a batch job to =.> complete, so my biography can be called "Waiting to Expire..."  J >>> "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 06/15/2001 10:23:41 AM >>> Jerry Leslie wrote:< >=205 > Terry C. Shannon (terryshannon@mediaone.net) wrote:LH > : So VMS is 25? Still in the prime of its life given COE compliance, = etc. > :,E > : Wonder if we'll be able to say the same about Windoze 2018 when =  NT/Win2K  > : hits 25 in another 17 years? > :e >=20 > Hopefully we'll just hear: >=20# >   "Grandpa, what was Windows NT?"i  
 Better still:O   	"Grandpa, what was Windows?".   --=20T David J. DachteraQ dba DJE Systemsg http://www.djesys.com/=20h  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:" http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/=20  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:12:19 -0500c1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>d< Subject: Re: OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup' Message-ID: <3B2A25D3.C0ACF456@fsi.net>    John Eisenschmidt wrote: > E > What's with this "Grandpa" stuff? I plan to drop dead at my desk bywG > the time I'm 30. I'm hoping it hits as I'm waiting for a batch job toi@ > complete, so my biography can be called "Waiting to Expire..."  F Thirty(30) is old enough (at least biologically) to be Grandpa - think about it...t   -- U David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.(   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:13:10 +0100R  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com< Subject: Re: OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a PupH Message-ID: <OFAED9648C.2A8872C2-ON80256A6C.00533BD3@qedi.quintiles.com>  & I'll assume we are we talking decimal.J I missed dropping dead at my desk at 30.  Maybe aim for 35 when we realize6 that VMS has taken over the world for the second time?  $ AS400 =/= VAX killer nor VMS killer.   S.   John Eisenschmidt wrote: >>>hD  What's with this "Grandpa" stuff? I plan to drop dead at my desk byF  the time I'm 30. I'm hoping it hits as I'm waiting for a batch job to?  complete, so my biography can be called "Waiting to Expire..."  <<<O   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:24:25 -0400-+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>:8 Subject: OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup# Message-ID: <sb29f076.039@aaas.org>n  L WELL...Assuming the men in your family hit puberty at 10 three consecutive =H generations. Wait...that doesn't account for the 9 months each time. I =H think it'd take a concerted family effort to be a Grandpa before 33 at =I minimum. Personally, I think I was 11 or 12, and 10 years later I'm not ='  even dating, let alone a father.  J >>> "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 06/15/2001 11:12:19 AM >>> John Eisenschmidt wrote: >=20E > What's with this "Grandpa" stuff? I plan to drop dead at my desk byeG > the time I'm 30. I'm hoping it hits as I'm waiting for a batch job tob@ > complete, so my biography can be called "Waiting to Expire..."  F Thirty(30) is old enough (at least biologically) to be Grandpa - think about it...n   --=207 David J. DachteraE dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/=20u  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:" http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/=20  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:42:59 +0100k- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>s< Subject: Re: OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup) Message-ID: <3B2A02D2.D6345144@bbc.co.uk>l   John Eisenschmidt wrote:  C> WELL...Assuming the men in your family hit puberty at 10 three consecutive generations. Wait...that doesn't account for the 9 months each time. I think it'd take a concerted family effort to be a Grandpa before 33 at minimum. Personally, I think I was 11 or 12, and 10 years later I'm not even dating, let alone a father.t >eL > >>> "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 06/15/2001 11:12:19 AM >>> > John Eisenschmidt wrote: > >hG > > What's with this "Grandpa" stuff? I plan to drop dead at my desk byoI > > the time I'm 30. I'm hoping it hits as I'm waiting for a batch job to B > > complete, so my biography can be called "Waiting to Expire..." >eH > Thirty(30) is old enough (at least biologically) to be Grandpa - think
 > about it...h >   E  no kids so far and just 39, take it from me it gets better after 30.n  A The "gotta burn out before you get old" is a rock'n'roll fallacy.a   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk-  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofe MedAS or the BBC.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:17:30 -0500-1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> 3 Subject: Re: Oxygen VX1 now supported and orderable 8 Message-ID: <9gd1vg$363$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  H Also wonder if this is a "stock" VX1?  Same as one could buy at local PC store?   Dave...i  5 "Terry Kennedy" <terry@gate.tmk.com> wrote in messagem! news:GEtxnr.4I4@spcuna.spc.edu... 7 > Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:tF > > The SN-PBXGF-AB (3DLabs Oxygen VX1) is now supported on the  DS10, DS10L,= > > DS20, DS20E, ES40, and  XP1000 systems under VMS and UNIX  > >t: > > SN-PBXGF-AB 3D Lab, Oxygen, VX1 32MB PCI Graphics Card >rI >   Great! However, that part number doesn't show up as an orderable part G > yet. In fact, search.compaq.com only finds it in 3 places - the GS80,v+ > GS160, and GS320 supported options lists.p >CG >   If this is an oversight, can you have the apropriate heads aligned,'G > and if it "just takes some time", do you have any idea how much time?n >u	 > Thanks,h6 >         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com7 >         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAo >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:28:24 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)N Subject: Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on AlphastationL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1506011128240001@user-2ivebr7.dialup.mindspring.com>  E In article <pU7U6.1243$fi2.32064@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" $ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  B >                                          DO NOT APPLY THE PATCH. > K > A review of the patch shows that a number of files are being put into thenN > WRONG directories.  The folks who put the kits together are revising the kit > as-we-speak.   Fred, just to clarify....a  J Is it the VMS721_UPDATE-V200 patch that we should not install?  The thread got a tad confusing.  3 ftp://ftp.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1/s1 dec-axpvms-vms721_update-v0200--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexee  $ ... still has a date of 30-May-2001.  H Will the updated kit get a new name, such as v0300?  Will the broken kit be withdrawn in the meantime?u   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:42:35 -0500r1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>:/ Subject: Re: Registration for CETS2001 -- when?u' Message-ID: <3B2A1EDA.419C5F0B@fsi.net>A   Jeff Killeen wrote:a > M > For Encompass members please pay close attention to an Email with a subject. > line of... > 4 >     Your ID For the User Group Technical Symposium > C > ...it has your "new" membership number which will be helpful whenvG > registering.  For folks who were recent members of the old DECUS U.S.gL > Chapter it will be your original 6 digit membership number.  For folks whoL > recently joined Encompass your alphabetic membership ID has been converted4 > to a 6 digit number starting with 9 (e.g. 900123). > M > If you are an Encompass member you may not receive an Email if the email weiC > have on file for you is invalid or blank (about 19 percent of ther > membership)...  E I just discovered last night that none of my session submissions werev= accepted. So, I'll not be seeing you all at this year's show.i  H If someone else would like to carry to the "Affordable OpenVMS" "banner"E (figure of speech), I'd be eternally grateful. My efforts so far havee; been ineffective. Maybe someone else will have better luck.h   -- e David J. Dachterat dba DJE SystemsC http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:59:19 +0200m* From: Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> Subject: Re: set ho/mop 7 Message-ID: <992606359.491312@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>c   Robert Deininger schrieb:i > = > In article <3B27BC07.EB13A9B1@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"l  > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >  > > Robert Deininger wrote:tC > > > Any examples of useful, functional SET HOST/MOP applications?t > >sD > > In my LOGIN.COM, I have this old hold-over from a DECnet-V site: > > 8 > > $! MOPP         :== SET HOST/MOP/CIRC=CSMACD-0/ADDR=7 > > $ MOPP          :== MC NCP CONN VIA SVA-0 PHYS ADDR    Check that MOP is started:   NCL SHOW MOP STATUSe  C Check that you have defined and enabled the approbiate MOP circuit:I  ( NCL SHOW MOP CIRCUIT CSMACD-0 ALL STATUS  G (Note: although the identifiers are the same, this is _NOT_ the same aseE the routing circuit! You must create a MOP circuit whose name will beWE given in the SET HOST/MOP/CIRCUIT command. On my systems, I prefer to( name these circuits different:   ROUTING CIRCUIT CSAMCD-0 MOP CIRCUIT MOPCIRC-0a   to avoid confusions).U  E If you specify a remote system name in the SET HOST/MOP command, this & name must be registered as MOP CLIENT:  " NCL SHOW MOP CLIENT <client-name>.  H If you supply the /CIRCUIT and /ADDRESS qualifiers, there is no need for a registered MOP CLIENT.  F And always keep in mind that the MOP protocol is non-routable (it doesC not work if routers exists beetween your node and the target systemk* unless these routers also works as bridge.   Kind greetings, Ferrya   --   Ing. Ferry Bolhar-Nordenkampfn Municipality of Vienna Municipality Department 14
 A-1010 Viennae E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.atn  : "Wenn hier einer schuld ist, dann immer nur der Computer."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:27:27 -0400n2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: set ho/mopeL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1506011027270001@user-2ivebr7.dialup.mindspring.com>  G In article <3B291E50.9A530AA2@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:n    N > MOP= Maintenance Operations Protocol (afaik). Set host / mop is only used toD > connect to certain devices like terminal servers, bridges etc. for
 configurationsN > purposes. You can only have one mop connection to such a device. It is not aJ > replacement for set host ./ lat, telnet or cterm.  You can not use it to connect , > from one VMS system to another VMS system.  J Ok, I'm not trying to connect to VMS, but to the console of a machine that	 runs VMS.   G The DEC 3000 console has some features that seem to support MOP in somee= way. (This is the only system for which I've found _complete_-! documentation about the console.)0   >>> SET MOP ON | OFF  G "... enables the network listener while the system is in console mode."p   >>> SET TRIGGER ON | OFF  ; I think this is supposed to enable a MOP boot command.  See  $ LANCP TRIGGER NODE5 for example.  This doesn't do anything either.  Also,. $ LANCP CONNECT NODE( might be a substitute for $ SET HOST/MOP  D I really don't understand this stuff, since I've never had a working? example.  I've used MOP for satellite VMS boots terminal servery: downloads.  Both of these are initiated at the remote end.   -- m Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coml   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:55:17 -0700d# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ( Subject: Setting up Mail, WEB page, etc.9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEDPCMAA.tom@kednos.com>e  G Installed  a T1 yesterday and as a result will need to do POP mail, Webk server.h  H My options are Tru64 5.0 or VMS 7.3 and I need to interface W2k which is running L wireless 802.11b lan (because it is cheap and available as PCI cards).  What? do I need to do this under VMS? licensed layered products, etc?:   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:21:24 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com? Subject: Re: Shadowed system disk upgrade procedure - VMS 5.5-2 H Message-ID: <OF6DE99989.3E2B1EAB-ON80256A6C.003311D6@qedi.quintiles.com>  G I think I'd agree with Scott - boot from a standalone kit to backup thesG RF31 to the RF72.  Be careful (of course) of the backup command.  SinceeF you're on 5.5-2 you will not need the /noalias to be specified but you! will, of course, need the /image.=J I would also make sure that I did a standalone backup of the shadowed RF31. system disk before I started, just to be sure.E You may need to change the allocation class of the disks on their own1" integral controllers too remember. Steve.   Scott Vieth wrote: >>>c
 How about:   1. Shut down both VAXen ( 2. Remove one of the small system disks.  3. Replace with new bigger disk., 4. Boot standalone backup from another disk.K 5. Use standalone backup to copy the contents of the old system disk to the, newr system disk.K 6. Make sure your systems are set to boot from the new, larger system disk.s< 7. Replace the other small system disk with the new big one. 8. Boot1K 9. If the system disk doesn't automagically add in the other member of youro system disk shadow set,e- add it in manually with a mount/sys/shadow...s  J i really don't like the idea of making a copy of the system disk while the system is running.G that's what the standalone backup was designed for.  same deal if theses were AXPs: E boot from the CD and do your disk copying while the systems are down.a <<<o   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:07:52 GMTe2 From: "frank brown" <frank.brown@ci.seattle.wa.us>? Subject: Re: Shadowed system disk upgrade procedure - VMS 5.5-2d3 Message-ID: <spqW6.154$kQ2.27074@news-west.eli.net>b  L I should have mentioned the reason I'm backing up from a running system diskK is to minimize downtime...the cluster runs CAD for our 911 dispatcher alarm-L center.  Booting SABACKUP would add significant downtime, and if there was a1 big emergency during that time it could get ugly.    -Frank  1 "Scott Vieth" <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote in messageo" news:3B296F6F.37A753F@wi.rr.com... > How about: >o > 1. Shut down both VAXenc* > 2. Remove one of the small system disks." > 3. Replace with new bigger disk.. > 4. Boot standalone backup from another disk.I > 5. Use standalone backup to copy the contents of the old system disk tou the new- > system disk.G > 6. Make sure your systems are set to boot from the new, larger systemt disk.n> > 7. Replace the other small system disk with the new big one.	 > 8. Boot H > 9. If the system disk doesn't automagically add in the other member of your > system disk shadow set,i/ > add it in manually with a mount/sys/shadow...7 >6L > i really don't like the idea of making a copy of the system disk while the > system is running.I > that's what the standalone backup was designed for.  same deal if thesem were > AXPs: G > boot from the CD and do your disk copying while the systems are down.m >i > -s >1 > frank brown wrote: >eG > > I want to upgrade our shadowed VMS 5.5-2 system disk from a pair ofw RF31s toF > > RF72s.  There is no room for additional disks on our dual DSSI-bus	 2-VAX4300 J > > cluster (it's maxed out with disks) so I plan to perform the following
 > > steps: > > > > > 1. Dismount one of the existing system disk shadow members4 > > 2. Shut everything down (CPUs and disk cabinets). > > 3. Replace the dismounted RF31 with a RF72 > > 4. Start everything back upyK > > 5. Use VMS BACKUP /IGNOR=INTERLOCK to backup the cluster-mounted system  disk > > to the new RF72w! > > 6. Shut everything down again*G > > 7. Replace the remaining RF31 system disk with the disk BACKUP juste wrote toK > > 8. Install the other RF72 to the slot the first RF72 initially occupiede > > 9. Power up all the boxeso > > 10. Reboot a VAX > >,G > > If the VAX boots OK then once the system is up, check to see if ther systemG > > disk thinks it's part of a shadow set.  (Will it?)  If not, performdH > > MOUNT/SYSTEM/SHADOW=(...) to mount the other new disk, to initiate a shadow	 > > copy.6 > >nL > > Am I missing anything here?  Do I need to perform device node operations at- > > the console (>>>) level on the new disks?I > >p > > Thanks for the peer review.b > >j > > Frank Browne > > Seattle Fire Dept.  > > http://www.halcyon.com/frog/ >r   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jun 2001 08:27:25 -0700' From: mnoioso@tivoli.com (mario noioso)b Subject: STL for OS/390w= Message-ID: <b8b2cb4e.0106150727.27b763dc@posting.google.com>s   Hy guys,H I'm looking for Standard Tamplate Library C++ for S.O. 0S/390 2.10 with  cbc0000(I)product(5647-A01)n Where can I download STL ?   thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:33:23 -0500a+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>, Subject: RE: STL for OS/390 L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1F70@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: mnoioso@tivoli.com [mailto:mnoioso@tivoli.com]  
 > Hy guys,@ > I'm looking for Standard Tamplate Library C++ for S.O. 0S/390  > 2.10 with  > cbc0000(I)product(5647-A01)i > Where can I download STL ?  2 So this is the language they speak in IBM-land? :)  . cbc0000(I)product(5647-A01) to you as well. ;)  J I think you want comp.os.mvs (if it exists, or comp.sys.s390, or something similar)   Regards,   ChrisI  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developere Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");a 'n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:50:37 -0400u+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>d Subject: RE: STL for OS/390c# Message-ID: <sb29f6a2.076@aaas.org>'  K When I started my career 1000 years ago, I was a Network Administrator of =nH a formerly Blue Shop. We were replacing green screens and AS/400 stuff = with PCs (a shame really).  J IBM people speak numbers. "The 5225 is attached to the 5494 via twinax." =C Nothing has a name. AS/400 control units are 5294, 5394, and 5494 =1K (depending on how many terminals they can support), our huge line printer =a= was a 5225, and that's about all my brain will let me recall.n  = Not that anyone cares, but this is a cool link for that crap: L  http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?request=3Dmenu&parms=3D&xu=3Dgue= st&xp=3D&xh=3Dlogonj  I When the IBM guys came and would speak IBM, I could visit that link and =h( find out what we had been talking about.  ( VMS...MVS...it's all the same right? <g>  D >>> Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> 06/15/2001 11:33:23 AM >>> > -----Original Message-----9 > From: mnoioso@tivoli.com [mailto:mnoioso@tivoli.com]=20/  
 > Hy guys,B > I'm looking for Standard Tamplate Library C++ for S.O. 0S/390=20 > 2.10 with=20 > cbc0000(I)product(5647-A01)o > Where can I download STL ?  2 So this is the language they speak in IBM-land? :)  . cbc0000(I)product(5647-A01) to you as well. ;)  J I think you want comp.os.mvs (if it exists, or comp.sys.s390, or something similar)   Regards,   Chrise  ! Christopher Smith, Perl DeveloperI Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");t '    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:02:54 +0200iJ From: Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jguilla-at-attglobal-dot-net@nospam.please> Subject: Re: STL for OS/390i, Message-ID: <3B2A31AE.9020103@nospam.please>   mario noioso wrote:   
 > Hy guys,J > I'm looking for Standard Tamplate Library C++ for S.O. 0S/390 2.10 with  > cbc0000(I)product(5647-A01)f > Where can I download STL ?   Hmmmm...  
 VMS != MVS   :)   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jun 2001 06:20:49 -07008 From: v_leichinsky@ittoolbox.com (Viacheslav Leichinsky)6 Subject: Re: Urgent: Oracle 8 parallel server on VMS 7= Message-ID: <beb04beb.0106150520.52243b3d@posting.google.com>l  c "Harald Thienel" <harald@h-thienel.de> wrote in message news:<9fr6la$6jh$03$1@news.t-online.com>...3N > Since one week we are running Oracle 8.1.7 on VMS-Alpha-Cluster (3 machines)0 > in parallel server mode. VMS Version is 7.2.1.N > there is one instance of the database on every machine. The database is used1 > by 200-300 users distributed on the 3 machines.m > M > First problem is that Oracle 8 seems to be several times slower than Oracler > 7 (maybe 4 times). > G > But the big problem is that after some hours (1 to 3), Oracle becomes0K > getting slower and slower and then stops processing completely. All usersRH > are waiting forever. This seems to be a problem in the lock managementG > (LMD-process). Sometimes this state can be cured by shutting down one M > instance of the database (then the other two resume working), sometimes all.E > three instances must be shut down and restarted. In a manufacturingKA > environment like ours, these shutdowns are not very wellcome...A > L > We are in contact with Oracle-Support and tweeking around with parameters,% > but this didn't really help so far.I > 9 > The situation is escalating - any help is very welcome!  > Thanks > Harald  
 Hi Harald!3 The first problem (lower performance) is well known 5 pinging problem. You should avoid inserts and updatese0 into the same database blocks from the different1 instances. You can make it using freelist groups;u3 this techniques is well described in documentation.s. But what is reason of your second problem whenB Oracle becomes getting slower and slower and then stops processing completely ? Unfortunately,@
 I don't know. / From my point of view, the easiest way to solve-0 the problem - to open TAR on metalink and Oracle2 support must solve this one. May it is Oracle bug, may be something else ?m0 Probably, you should adjust some VMS settings or4 setup VMS patches. Are you sure that Oracle 8.1.7 is< compatible with VMS version and cluster software? Or you can) investigate the behaviour of your system: 6 is there swaping, what process leaks memory and so on.   Regards, Slava.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:17:15 +0100n5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@COMPAQ.com>r, Subject: Vms 25th birthday (yesterday, DOH!)N Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B151F@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>   Folks,  D The following is the header page of SYSQIOREQ.MAR off the VMS V1.0 = resd. If? Dave's creation date is to be believed (and it's historically =_ plausible),-D then today marks the 25th anniversary of the creation of the first = source module of VMS.      2 SYSQIOREQ       - SYSTEM SERVICE QUEUE I/O REQUESTB 21-AUG-1978 20:40:14   VAX-11 MACRO X0.3-11               Page   1    6 1	.TITLE  SYSQIOREQ - SYSTEM SERVICE QUEUE I/O REQUEST 2	.IDENT  /02/ 3r 4 ;D 5 ; COPYRIGHT =A9 19771 6 ; DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION, MAYNARD, MASS.E 7 ;1F 8 ; THIS SOFTWARE IS FURNISHED UNDER  A LICENSE FOR USE ONLY  ON  A=20C 9 ; SINGLE COMPUTER SYSTEM AND MAY BE  COPIED ONLY WITH  THE INCLU-aG 10 ; SION OF  THE  ABOVE  COPYRIGHT NOTICE.  THIS SOFTWARE,  OR  ANY=20cG 11 ; OTHER COPIES THEREOF, MAY NOT BE  PROVIDED  OR  OTHERWISE  MADE=20 G 12 ; AVAILABLE TO ANY OTHER PERSON EXCEPT  FOR  USE  ON  SUCH SYSTEM=20eG 13 ; AND TO  ONE WHO AGREES  TO  THESE LICENSE  TERMS.  TITLE TO AND=20uD 14 ; OWNERSHIP OF THE SOFTWARE SHALL AT ALL TIMES REMAIN IN DEC. =20 15 ;G 16 ; THE INFORMATION IN THIS SOFTWARE  IS  SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT=203G 17 ; NOTICE AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED  AS  A COMMITMENT BY DIGITAL=20t 18 ; EQUIPMENT CORPORATION.f 19 ;G 20 ; DEC ASSUMES NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE USE OR RELIABILITY OF ITS=20t< 21 ; SOFTWARE ON EQUIPMENT WHICH IS NOT SUPPLIED BY DEC. =20 22 ; 23 ; D. N. CUTLER 14-JUN-76g 24 ;+ 25 ; MODIFIED BY: P. H. LIPMAN     1-MAY-78o 26 ;: 27 ; 02    - REWROTE BUILDPKT FOR SEGMENTED VIRTUAL I/O=20 28 ;% 29 ; SYSTEM SERVICE QUEUE I/O REQUESTt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:33:19 -0400h5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>w2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?2 Message-ID: <9f8pOwjcJhOxjfR5ZY50=Q39C2nf@4ax.com>   For those interested ...  4 I'm posting a correction.  Only one European country5 (Romania) has ratified Kyoto.  33 others have ratfiedf( it as well.  See the link of Fox News at2 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,27283,00.html.   David R. Beattyd  0 On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:53:31 -0400, David Beatty) <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote:    > / >I've been on vacation and just got back today.h >o3 >See http://stars.coe.fr/doc/doc01/EDOC9058.htm andg >scroll down to item 28. >h >David R. Beatty >cF >On 03 Jun 2001 01:42:20 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> >wrote:r >:9 >>David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> writes:s >>< >>> Also, only one country (Romania) has ratified it so far. >>J >>Could you cite a source for that? Or provide a map of the newly expanded >>Romania...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:21:25 +0100S0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?* Message-ID: <3B2A19E5.A90F9744@uk.sun.com>   David Beatty wrote:  >  > For those interested ... > 6 > I'm posting a correction.  Only one European country7 > (Romania) has ratified Kyoto.  33 others have ratfiedl* > it as well.  See the link of Fox News at4 > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,27283,00.html. >   4 However since Bushes recent visit to Europe and the 4 very public bust up over the US's refusal to ratify 2 Kyoto the EU has announced that all the current EU  members will ratify the treaty.   4 At least this will send a signal to the rest of the 6 world that one of the 2 largest trading blocks in the 6 world is prepared to act responsibly even if the other isn't.   Regardso Andrew Harrisonl Enterprise IT Architecto   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:17:33 -0400s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1506011117340001@user-2ivebr7.dialup.mindspring.com>  I In article <3B2A19E5.A90F9744@uk.sun.com>, Andrew.Harrison@Sun.COM wrote:-    6 > However since Bushes recent visit to Europe and the 6 > very public bust up over the US's refusal to ratify 4 > Kyoto the EU has announced that all the current EU" > members will ratify the treaty.   E Will that include Ireland?  Pesky voters.  Something ought to be donen
 about them...e   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.330 ************************