1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 16 Jun 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 331       Contents:A Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com  802.11b PCI cards Supported ? ! Re: 802.11b PCI cards Supported ?  Re: Alpha Station 200 problem  Re: ANN: FIXUP_IMAGE V2.0  backup help  Re: backup help & cancel <9g6otq$l92$1@bob.news.rcn.net>& cancel <9g6p19$lqm$1@bob.news.rcn.net>& cancel <9g6p3u$m7g$1@bob.news.rcn.net>& cancel <9g6pag$n4q$1@bob.news.rcn.net>& cancel <9g6ph4$o07$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Re: CD-RW on a VMS system.  Re: Databases available for VMS?  Re: Databases available for VMS? Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  Re: Disk Farm Problem  Re: Fibre Channel problems Re: Fibre Channel problems9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 9 Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses   Re: It's a VMS anniversary today  Re: It's a VMS anniversary today JBC-E-NOQUECTX from F$GETQUI. ; RE: Looking for Experienced ABS/MDMS Administrators to give N Looking for Experienced ABS/MDMS Administrators to give a session at CETS 2001P Re: Looking for Experienced ABS/MDMS Administrators to give a session at CETS 203 Re: making ODBC connections to rdb databases in VMS ) Re: MV-3800 & kzqsa Installing, need help ) Re: MV-3800 & kzqsa Installing, need help " Re: Need help with LIB$TABLE_PARSE2 Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux= Re: OT: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses 3 Re: OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup 3 Re: OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup 3 Re: OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup * Re: Oxygen VX1 now supported and orderableE Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation E Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation  Raid Array 3000 + 2 ES40s  Re: Secured FTP  Re: Secured FTP  Re: Secured FTP  Re: set ho/mop# Re: Setting up Mail, WEB page, etc. # Re: Setting up Mail, WEB page, etc. # Re: Setting up Mail, WEB page, etc. # Re: Setting up Mail, WEB page, etc. 6 Re: Shadowed system disk upgrade procedure - VMS 5.5-26 Re: Shadowed system disk upgrade procedure - VMS 5.5-2 Re: STL for OS/390 The Daily David Hobbs Repost 2" Re: The Daily David Hobbs Repost 2" Re: The Daily David Hobbs Repost 29 Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)  Re: V7.3 backup "improvement"  Re: V7.3 backup "improvement"  Re: V7.3 backup "improvement" 2 VAX6000 / KDB50, need help with some questions ... Re: vms maintenance utility  Re: vms maintenance utility  Re: vms maintenance utility  Re: vms maintenance utility  Re: vms maintenance utility  Re: vms maintenance utility  Re: vms maintenance utility  Re: vms maintenance utility  VMS usage at Intel Re: VMS usage at Intel) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:11:02 -0400 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> J Subject: Re: "Talk Baq" to Compaq - but boycott www.compaqworkinggroup.com3 Message-ID: <vdsW6.1500$fi2.45140@news.cpqcorp.net>   J *ANY* X11 application capable of accessing your screen, is equally capableH of making the user interface unusable.  It doesn't have to crash the X11L server.  Trust me,  X11 was not designed with "protection" or reliability in? mind.  It is designed for trusted cooperation, and well behaved 
 applications.   L You want a window system with real protection?  Go dig up an old VS2000 withL V4.6 and VWS.  That isn't to say there were no bugs, but it's design did notE allow a random unprivleged application from locking up the display or ' otherwise corrupting some other window.   C Were NSK to start using X11, I would point them to some interesting D information about the inherently deadlocking design of the protocol.    = JF Mezei wrote in message <3B296885.EC0A3965@videotron.ca>...  >Wayne Sewell wrote:K >> Surely that isn't an issue.  Netscape crashes certainly don't bring down  my vmsI >> systems.  No way, no how.  One would hope that nsk systems would be at  least asL >> protected as that.  The acronym *does* contain Non Stop, does it not?  If a ; >> browser crash could kill it, a rename would be required.  >  > K >If Netscape can crash decwindows, I would consider it crashing the system.  OnF >a workstation where the major function is providing a user interface, crashingE >the decwindows means that the workstation becomes unusable until you  restart J >the software. The average user wouldn't know how to login through anotherJ >machine to restart decwindows on his workstation. So reboot is the easier	 solution.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:21:30 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> & Subject: 802.11b PCI cards Supported ?9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEEDCMAA.tom@kednos.com>   2 Are they supported on say 433au.  If not, why not?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:36:48 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: 802.11b PCI cards Supported ?3 Message-ID: <AluW6.1506$fi2.45140@news.cpqcorp.net>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEEDCMAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: & :...Are they supported on say 433au...  D   The Compaq WL200 series wireless LAN PCI adapter is not currently    supported by OpenVMS.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jun 2001 09:39:00 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.563109.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell) & Subject: Re: Alpha Station 200 problem. Message-ID: <p5VVpgW$xpGa@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  d In article <9gap51$kuc$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, "Ung Ho Yi" <yi-1@medctr.osu.edu> writes: > Hello, > M > I have an alpha station 200.  It used to run as Vms system and is currently  > running as NT system.  > L > Now I would like to run it as Vms system.  However everytime I boot up the# > system, it goes into arc console. ) > How do I get it to go into SRM console?  >  > Thanks in advance, > yi >  >        from the vms faq:         @ ALPHA21. How do I switch between AlphaBIOS/ARC and SRM consoles?  G The specific steps required vary by system.  You must first ensure that G the particular Alpha system is supported by OpenVMS (see the SPD), that G all core I/O components (graphics, disk controllers, etc) in the system D are supported by OpenVMS (see the SPD), and that you have an OpenVMSG distribution, that you have the necessary license keys (PAKs), and that + you have the necessary SRM firmware loaded.   F A typical sequence used for switching over from the AlphaBIOS graphics# console to the SRM console follows:   3   1. Press <F2> to get to the AlphaBIOS setup menu.   #   2. Pick the "CMOS Setup..." item.   9   3. Press <F6> to get to the "Advanced CMOS Setup" menu.   ?   4. Change the "Console Selection" to "OpenVMS Console (SRM)".   ;   5. Press <F10>, <F10>, then <Enter> to save your changes.      6. Power-cycle the system.  I Most Alpha systems support loading both the AlphaBIOS/ARC console and the F SRM console at the same time, but systems such as the AlphaStation 255D are "half-flash" systems and do not support the presence of both theE AlphaBIOS/ARC and SRM console firmware at the same time.  If you have G a "half-flash" system, you must load the SRM firmware from floppy, from D a network download, or from a firmware CD-ROM.  Following the normalE AlphaBIOS or ARC firmware update sequence to the APU prompt, and then B explictly select the target console.  In other words, power up theE system to the AlphaBIOS or ARC console, use the supplementary options C to select the installation of new firmware (typically from CD-ROM), ? and then rather than using a sequence which updates the current 	 firmware:        Apu-> update
       -or-     Apu-> update ARC     Apu-> verify     Apu-> quit     Power-cycle the system  @ Use the following sequence to specifically update (and load) SRM, from AlphaBIOS/ARC on a "half-flash" system:       Apu-> update SRM     Apu-> verify     Apu-> quit     Power-cycle the system  @ Use the following sequence to specifically update (and load) the8 AlphaBIOS/ARC console from SRM on a "half-flash" system:       >>> b -fl 0,A0 ddcu $     BOOTFILE: firmware_boot_file.exe       Apu-> update ARC     Apu-> verify     Apu-> quit     Power-cycle the system  A Once you have the SRM loaded, you can directly install OpenVMS or = Tru64 UNIX on the system.  Do not allow Windows NT to write a @ "harmless" signature to any disk used by OpenVMS, Tru64 UNIX, orA Linux, as this will clobber a key part of the disk.  (On OpenVMS, B you can generally recover from this "harmless" action by using the WRITEBOOT tool.)  D If you have a "full-flash" system and want to select the SRM consoleD from the AlphaBIOS or ARC console environment, select the "Switch toI OpenVMS or Tru64 UNIX console" item from the "set up the system" submenu. D Then power-cycle the system.  If you have a "full-flash" system withB the SRM console and want to select AlphaBIOS/ARC, use the command:      >>> set os_type NT    and power-cycle the system.   C For information on acquiring firmware, see ALPHA6.  For information E on OpenVMS license PAKs (for hobbyist use) see VMS9.  For information  on the Multia, see ALPHA8.  C Information on enabling and using the failsafe firmware loader for  E various systems -- this tool is available only on some of the various F Alpha platforms -- is available in the hardware documentation for the G system.  This tool is used/needed when the firmware has been corrupted,  and cannot load new firmware.   F The full list of AlphaBIOS key sequences -- these sequences are neededE when using an LK-series keyboard with AlphaBIOS, as AlphaBIOS expects  a PC-style keyboard:            F1   Ctrl/A          F2   Ctrl/B          F3   Ctrl/C          F4   Ctrl/D          F5   Ctrl/E          F6   Ctrl/F          F7   Ctrl/P          F8   Ctrl/R          F9   Ctrl/T         F10   Ctrl/U      Insert   Ctrl/V      Delete   Ctrl/W   Backspace   Ctrl/H      Escape   Ctrl/[      Return   Ctrl/M    LineFeed   Ctrl/J%    (Plus) +   upselect (some systems) '   (Minus) -   downselect (some systems)          TAB   down arrow    SHIFT+TAB  up arrow  < ------------------------------------------------------------    < ------------------------------------------------------------D ALPHA14.  How do I reload SRM firmware on a half-flash Alpha system?  I   Some of the AlphaStation series systems are "half-flash" boxes, meaning G   only one set of firmware (SRM or AlphaBIOS) can be loaded in flash at G   a time.  Getting back to the SRM firmware when AlphaBIOS (or ARC) is  '   loaded can be a little interesting...   I   That said, this usually involves shuffling some files, and then getting H   into the AlphaBIOS firmware update sequence, and then entering "update   srm" at the apu-> prompt.   I   To shuffle the files, copy the target SRM firmware file (as200_v7_0.exe K   is current) to a blank, initialized, FAT-format floppy under the filename    A:\FWUPDATE.EXE   G   From the AlphaBIOS Setup screen, select the Upgrade AlphaBIOS option. 5   Once the firmware update utility gets going, enter:         Apu-> update srm   0            Answer "y" to the "Are you ready...?"        Apu-> quit   K   You've reloaded the flash.  Now powercycle the box to finish the process.      Also see ALPHA6.  < ------------------------------------------------------------      9   The OpenVMS FAQ is archived in the following locations:   "     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/.     ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.os.vms/,     comp.answers and news.answers newsgroups  A   Other internet FAQs are generally available in these locations:   ,     comp.answers and news.answers newsgroups%     ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/...   ?   User-created HTML versions of the OpenVMS FAQ are located at:        http://www.kjsl.com/vmsfaq'     http://eisner.decus.org/vms/faq.htm        --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== K Hotel guy (after bed demolition):  That bed goes back to Henry the eighth!! O    Curly: That's nothin'!  We had a bed go back to Sears and Roebuck the fifth!    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:34:37 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> " Subject: Re: ANN: FIXUP_IMAGE V2.0) Message-ID: <3B2A634D.AE3C6017@gtech.com>    Chris Scheers wrote:I > The FIXUP_IMAGE utility edits an image's shareable information to allow 5 > that image to execute on an earlier version of VMS.  > B >         http://www.applied-synergy.com/freeware/fixup_image.html   Sound as a very nice tool.  9 But I hope it carry a small warning a la "Please consider  carefully if .....".  C Sometime there actually are good reason for the check done by VMS !    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 04:46:30 GMT   From: mike <cdunevant@yahoo.com> Subject: backup help8 Message-ID: <9lolitghkr7jt7mq86v5r3juee2jite1nf@4ax.com>  B Grad student working an internship...totally new to VMS (as are my# full-time co-workers, appearently).   B I'm using VMS 7.2 on an Alpha server and trying to backup the dataE disc to a sequence of tapes.  After reading the manual several times, 7 I came up with the following (which works pretty well).   C $ BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=label_processing  DUA1:  MUB6:data.sav/rewind   F The only problem is...this doesn't back up files currently in use.  To8 capture these, it looks like I need to use the qualifier IGNORE=interlock.   B I tried to specify both IGNORE qualifiers at the same time severalD ways, but always ended up with a syntax error.  Can someone point me( in the right direction?  Thanks a bunch!  
 Mike Dunevant    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:09:44 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: backup help5 Message-ID: <1010616010502.4230B-100000@Ives.egh.com>     On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, mike wrote:  D > Grad student working an internship...totally new to VMS (as are my% > full-time co-workers, appearently).  > D > I'm using VMS 7.2 on an Alpha server and trying to backup the dataG > disc to a sequence of tapes.  After reading the manual several times, 9 > I came up with the following (which works pretty well).  > E > $ BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=label_processing  DUA1:  MUB6:data.sav/rewind  > H > The only problem is...this doesn't back up files currently in use.  To: > capture these, it looks like I need to use the qualifier > IGNORE=interlock.  > D > I tried to specify both IGNORE qualifiers at the same time severalF > ways, but always ended up with a syntax error.  Can someone point me* > in the right direction?  Thanks a bunch!  $ /IGNORE=(label_processing,interlock)  > This is standard DCL syntax for qualifiers which take multiple6 values.  Comma separated list enclosed in parentheses.   > Mike Dunevant    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:10:09 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>/ Subject: cancel <9g6otq$l92$1@bob.news.rcn.net> + Message-ID: <9gdtd0$j4h$4@bob.news.rcn.net>   / This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:09:41 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>/ Subject: cancel <9g6p19$lqm$1@bob.news.rcn.net> + Message-ID: <9gdtc4$j4h$2@bob.news.rcn.net>   / This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:08:27 -0400m( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>/ Subject: cancel <9g6p3u$m7g$1@bob.news.rcn.net>u+ Message-ID: <9gdt9p$j4h$1@bob.news.rcn.net>l  / This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.M   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:09:55 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>/ Subject: cancel <9g6pag$n4q$1@bob.news.rcn.net>p+ Message-ID: <9gdtci$j4h$3@bob.news.rcn.net>R  / This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:10:26 -0400a( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>/ Subject: cancel <9g6ph4$o07$1@bob.news.rcn.net>R+ Message-ID: <9gdtdh$j4h$5@bob.news.rcn.net>   / This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.T   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:15:20 +0100 ; From: "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk>O# Subject: Re: CD-RW on a VMS system.r. Message-ID: <9ge1ds$6ep$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>  F Right this is how I've got it working. Many thanks to the contributorsK especially Brian Schenkenberger (aka VAXman). This covers the creation of a H ODS type disk only which is what I need. Making it an ISO9660 disk isn't
 covered here.c  	 Equipment.	 ~~~~~~~~~v  H *). VAXstation 4000/60 with OpenVMS 6.2 with Y2K patches. Mine is called PHJ.C *). CDRECORD is 1.8a9 but the only doco I could find was for 1.8.1.m) *). Logicals Disks are provided by LD062.,L *). CD-RW is a Plextor PlexWriter 12/4/32 external SCSI device connected viaJ a C50 to HD50 cable. The Plextor has a selector switch on the back for 512- bytes per sector which needs to be set to on.   
 Prerequisites  ~~~~~~~~~~~i  I *). In this example the Plextor is in the DKA200 slot so you will have tot change this accordingly.% *). LD062 is installed on the system.eH *). In all instances whack on as many privs as possible - especially the heavy ones.l@ *). CDRECORD symbol is set up as :== $LOCATION:CDRECORD_VAX.EXE.   Setup  ~~~~~e  J One problem I encountered was the DK drivers did not appear to work and itC is probably best to assume that they will not work for you. Firstly D deactivate the automatic loading of the SCSI drivers with the systemF parameter SCSI_NOAUTO which for me needed setting to 4. After that theL generic SCSI driver needed loading in it's place which I did with MCR SYSGENG CONNECT GKA200/NOADAPTER which lets OpenVMS sort out the driver needed.pJ Issuing the command SHOW DEVICE GK/FULL should show the generic driver and that it is online.  I With the CDRECORD utility you have to provide a device along the lines of-D DEV=SCSI_channel, port, lun. What doesn't appear in the doco is thatG SCSI_channel 0-3 inclusive equates to channels DKA to DKD. Channels 4-7 A inclusive cover GKA to GKD. In reality I have the CDRECORD symboleH permanantly set to :== $LOCATION:CDRECORD_VAX.EXE -V DEV=4,2,0 so that IH don't have to supply the device info everytime I use CDRECORD and the -V makes the output more verbose.  B To check that CDRECORD can see the CD-RW device try the following.   LGB_PHJ> cdrecord -prcap= Cdrecord release 1.8a9 Copyright (C) 1995-1998 Jvrg Schilling" TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROMK phj$dka0:[cdrecord.18a9]cdrecord_vax.exe;1: Cannot set priority on this OS.a? phj$dka0:[cdrecord.18a9]cdrecord_vax.exe;1: Fifo not supported.  scsidev: '4,2,0' scsibus: 4 target: 2 lun: 0  atapi: 0! Device type    : Removable CD-ROMh Version        : 2 Response Format: 2 Capabilities   : SYNC LINKED Vendor_info    : 'PLEXTOR 'u# Identifikation : 'CD-R   PX-W124TS'o Revision       : '1.04' & Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.  Drive capabilities, per page 2A:   Does read CD-R media   Does write CD-R media    Does read CD-RW media-   Does write CD-RW media   Does not read DVD-ROM mediaA   Does not read DVD-R mediag   Does not write DVD-R media   Does not read DVD-RAM media/   Does not write DVD-RAM media     Does support test writing.    Does read Mode 2 Form 1 blocks    Does read Mode 2 Form 2 blocks    Does read digital audio blocks:   Does restart non-streamed digital audio reads accurately   Does read multi-session CDsd0   Does read fixed-packet CD media using Method 2   Does not read CD bar codem#   Does read R-W subcode information/<   Does return R-W subcode de-interleaved and error-corrected%   Does return CD media catalog number !   Does return CD ISRC informationn$   Does not support C2 error pointers!   Does deliver composite A/V dataw   Does play audio CDs.  &   Number of volume control levels: 256A   Does support individual volume control setting for each channel=8   Does support independent mute setting for each channel+   Does not support digital output on port 1o+   Does not support digital output on port 2t   Loading mechanism type: tray4   Does support ejection of CD via START/STOP command4   Does not lock media on power up via prevent jumperF   Does allow media to be locked in the drive via PREVENT/ALLOW command*   Is not currently in a media-locked state2   Does not have load-empty-slot-in-changer feature2   Does not support Individual Disk Present feature  #   Maximum read  speed in kB/s: 5645e#   Current read  speed in kB/s: 5645V#   Maximum write speed in kB/s: 2117d"   Current write speed in kB/s: 353   Buffer size in KB: 4096t  G My original idea was to use a 525MB disk and create a container file bylI doing COPY DKAnnn: CONTAINER.DSK and then burning the container file withbB the Plextor. However, I've found LD062 to be more flexible to use.  D Firstly start LD by typing @SYS$STARTUP:LD$STARTUP which gives you a8 template device LDA0: then create a container file thus:  - LD CREATE/SIZE=1259600 LOCATION:CONTAINER.DSKt  , and then connect it to a logical device thus  & LD CONNECT LOCATION:CONATINER.DSK LDA1  K which creates a logical device called LDA1 which can be initialised etc andeI treated pretty much like a hard disk. If you leave the LDA1 device off LDoA automatically assigns a device number but I find it better to use L predetermined device names. The logical disk can be initialised, mounted andL populated as required. When finished dismount the device and then disconnect the logical disk thus:   LD DISCONNECT LDA1  L The container file is then burnt to a CD with the following command. This is6 the full command where as I use symbols to shorten it.  ; CDRECORD -V DEV=4,2,0 -SPEED=1 -DATA LOCATION:CONTAINER.DSK-  K I tend to burn at single speed for reliability. A burn of the full 650MB atoC single speed takes about 35 minutes. To prevent underuns the system@L shouldn't be busy. The VAXstation I am using does have the network turned onK but I'm the only user and when the burns are taking place no other activityn  is taking place like copies etc.  L Originally I tried the physical disk and logical disk approach and could notE get anything to work. The burns appeared OK (using CDRECORD -TOC) butgL OpenVMS with RRDnn type devices just didn't want to play ball and refused toL recognise that a disk was in the drive. This turned out to be a reflectivityI problem with the CD-RW disks which are a silvery blue. I then used a CD-ReH disk (more shiny) instead and have had no trouble and the disks have allI mounted and listed using RRD43, RRD45, RRD46 type devices. Obviously CD-R K only give you one chance at the burn and tends to be slow regardless of theI speed I select.e   Realityl ~~~~~~  J I have two container files AXP_SYSTEM.DSK and VAX_SYSTEM.DSK. Each one hasJ got the respective STABACKIT on it and then I copy an image saveset of theL system disk I want to protect on to the logical disk and then burn it. AfterK that I delete the saveset and copy the next one and burn that one etc. I've I tried this on an AStn 255 and the system booted standalone backup and thesJ disk restored fine from the image saveset. I haven't tried a VAX yet or anH RRD42 device. I'm fairly confident that the VAX side should work but not' sure about the RRD42 - that's very old.u  I With the Plextor I sometimes find that some CDRECORD commands require the-J disk to be unloaded and loaded again. CDRECORD does this automatically but8 it's funny seeing the tray coming out and back in again.  F In reality I have symbols setup to do some of the basic commands like;9 CD_EJECT, CD_TOC, CD_LOAD and CD_INFO (latter is -prcap).1   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:42:48 -0400A From: Tym_Stegner@cca-int.comk) Subject: Re: Databases available for VMS?.A Message-ID: <OF64C6C666.3C705F33-ON85256A6C.00666666@cca-int.com>b  G The System 1032 RDBMS is available for VAX and Alpha on all versions of7A OpenVMS (though we'd prefer you to be running at least VMS V6.2).i  J This product is in active use and development at several Texas schools andJ state agencies (other places as well, but the question came from Texas...)  G System 1032 is still being actively developed and maintained.   We also' offer an ODBC interface.  H Information can be obtained at the company website at www.cca-int.com or4 from the support e-mail at 1032_support@cca-int.com.   Hope we can be of help...V -Tym Stegner8 System 1032 Support (and training and consulting and...)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:42:41 +0100 . From: "Chris Casey" <chris.casey@ntlworld.com>) Subject: Re: Databases available for VMS?nC Message-ID: <NtuW6.13929$A45.1524360@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>0  F John - have a chat to Intersystems - I think that they do specials for educational establishments6 (www.intersys.com) and you wont get a better database.   John Parker wrote in message4 <229a787c.0106150603.147cf153@posting.google.com>...? >We are currently using the old DEC RDB and DBMS software on ana? >Alphaserver 4100 running OpenVMS version 7.1-1H2.  While I wasrF >Are there any alternative database software packages that may be moreE >affordable than Oracle?  We have not yet priced the software throughDE >Oracle but expect that it will not be priced in our range for such aDE >small group of users.  We are a state-run educational institution so  >money is a factor.  > 8 >I would greatly appreciate any comments or suggestions. >t >Thank you,W >p >Johnc >Systems Programmeri# >Stephen F. Austin State Universityi >Nacogdoches, Texase   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:56:51 -0700u% From: Thomas OToole <tom@realbig.com>k( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3+ Message-ID: <3B2A4C64.ABFD6333@realbig.com>   7 You've spelt "What we want to smuch in bill gates face"e wrong, paul.   Paul Anderson wrote:  C > In article <14JUN01.20232184@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave Greenwoodb > <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote:c > K > > It's not obvious from your posting whether the "$" lines are in a .COM?aG > > I believe the original poster stated that the problem was executingl% > > those inside a command procedure.  > O > They weren't, but I created a command procedure and the results are the same.  >  >    $ create kaka.com* >    $ define/nolog test$input sys$command0 >    $ read/prompt="Testing: " test$input string >    ^Ze >    $ @kaka
 >    Testing:  >- > Paul >- > -- > Paul Anderson- >  OpenVMS Engineering >  Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:41:57 -0700 . From: Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> Subject: Re: Disk Farm Problem( Message-ID: <3B2A56F4.7844F066@vmmc.org>   Additional info.   VMS 7.1-1H2 has latest patches.u  J After first outage, the HSZ70 FW, which is latest version, had two patches applied by Compaq.  I Problems occur at random times.  Just had fourth incident this morning att 09:26.  Since no jobsgI aborted, I've decided to see if we can stay up until this evening. Compaqa5 has agreed to replace the primary BA370 this evening.V  L I just used the LOCATE cmd to see which drives were affected.  All drives in the first BA370,> and all in the bottom two rows of the 3rd BA370 were involved.  K I like the idea of using a SCSI testor and will see if Compaq can bring oned
 this evening.s  H Thanks for all of your suggestions.  This is one of the most frustrating problems I've ever encountered.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:09:42 GMTr From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl># Subject: Re: Fibre Channel problems ' Message-ID: <3B2A6B7F.20C8E6E2@home.nl>n  I I don't understand why you have several zones configurered. We have 4 VMSTJ systems and 2 double HSG80's in one zone. They are connected to 4 switches (2 switches per site).  I Have you checked / upgraded the software for the HSG80's. The most recneteE version is 8.5F-4  (if you use the F version that is). There are some / problems known with the older version firmware.c   Regards,   Dirk   Mark Hemker wrote:  H > Has anyone had any problems with Fibre Channel configurations and VMS?@ > We have had 3 problems in the last 3 months that have requiredG > rebooting the systems.  Each occurence is about 1 month apart and the-G > only thing that appears to be the same between each occurence is that"A > all of the drives go into Mount Verify on the hosts.  The first-H > occurence, it appeared that one of the controllers went bad and CompaqA > replaced it.  The second occurence, it appeared that both Fibre H > Channel switches rebooted for no apparent reason.  The third occurenceH > happened tonight and I haven't heard yet from my people what happened.A > From what I could see myself, all of the drives went into mountLF > verify, but the switches don't appear to have rebooted.  I will knowE > more in the morning.  This is getting really frustrating and CompaqeF > hasn't been able to provide any assistance.  I am hoping some of you > might have some ideas. >c > My configuration is:1 > 4100 and ES40 with 2 KGPSA cards in each systems? > VMS V7.2-1, I was current on the patches as of 2-3 months ago-- > 8 and 16 port Compaq Fibre Channel Switches- > Dual HSG80 controllers.e >n > My fabric configuration is: ? > The first KGPSA card in each system goes to the 8 port switch A > The second KGPSA card in each system goes to the 16 port switchlE > Controller 1 port A and Controller 2 port B go to the 8 port switchsF > Controller 1 port B and Controller 2 port A go to the 16 port switchD > The 8 port and the 16 port switch have one connection between them4 > All connections on the 8 port switch are in zone 15 > All connections on the 16 port switch are in zone 2 5 > The ports connecting the switches are in both zones  >t > Any help is appreciated,
 > Mark Hemkert > mhemker@remember.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:32:51 GMTc$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com># Subject: Re: Fibre Channel problemsh) Message-ID: <3B2AA9B4.278DA88E@wi.rr.com>    Mark:f  G 1. Definitely make sure that your VMS systems are patched to the gills.l  H 2. Check the firmware on the KGPSAs.  Are they the 64-bit version or the 32-bit version?c/ (There was a firmware issue with the KGPSAs...)p  J 3. Make sure the firmware on your systems is current.  One of my 4100s was wayyyy out of dateF so I had to upgrade it to the v5.9 firmware right before I went to VMS 7.2-1.  G 4. My setup is very similar to yours (except that I have two 4100s).  Is don't have the interswitchD link.  I'd take that out of the equation to keep things as simple as	 possible.h  G 5. I'd probably dump the zoning as well unless you have a *really* goodt reason for it.  I We've have a config very similar to yours running for four months now and< have not seen a single hiccup.   < Keep up up-to-date with the details of your troubleshooting.  
 -Scott :^)   Mark Hemker wrote:  H > Has anyone had any problems with Fibre Channel configurations and VMS?@ > We have had 3 problems in the last 3 months that have requiredG > rebooting the systems.  Each occurence is about 1 month apart and theaG > only thing that appears to be the same between each occurence is thatwA > all of the drives go into Mount Verify on the hosts.  The firstOH > occurence, it appeared that one of the controllers went bad and CompaqA > replaced it.  The second occurence, it appeared that both FibrehH > Channel switches rebooted for no apparent reason.  The third occurenceH > happened tonight and I haven't heard yet from my people what happened.A > From what I could see myself, all of the drives went into mount F > verify, but the switches don't appear to have rebooted.  I will knowE > more in the morning.  This is getting really frustrating and Compaq.F > hasn't been able to provide any assistance.  I am hoping some of you > might have some ideas. >  > My configuration is:1 > 4100 and ES40 with 2 KGPSA cards in each systemo? > VMS V7.2-1, I was current on the patches as of 2-3 months ago-- > 8 and 16 port Compaq Fibre Channel Switchess > Dual HSG80 controllers.h >M > My fabric configuration is:-? > The first KGPSA card in each system goes to the 8 port switchnA > The second KGPSA card in each system goes to the 16 port switchsE > Controller 1 port A and Controller 2 port B go to the 8 port switcheF > Controller 1 port B and Controller 2 port A go to the 16 port switchD > The 8 port and the 16 port switch have one connection between them4 > All connections on the 8 port switch are in zone 15 > All connections on the 16 port switch are in zone 2o5 > The ports connecting the switches are in both zones  >n > Any help is appreciated,
 > Mark Hemkerh > mhemker@remember.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:01:58 -0400M+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>cB Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses# Message-ID: <sb2a155d.027@aaas.org>H  I I was going to reply to this message and profress how correct you were, = F but my email client performed an illegal operation and was terminated.   Damn page faults  = >>> Thomas OToole <tom@realbig.com> 06/15/2001 1:51:53 PM >>>sH Now come on now. Windows is the best. It must be, it's the most popular. You're just jealous!   -Tom O'Toole   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > John Eisenschmidt wrote: > >uH > > One would think all you have to do is vomit on the ambassador to SunJ > > or IBM. Personally, I think of the guy who pied Bill Gates in the face% > > as an OpenVMS Goodwill Ambassador  >sE > There's something else I'd like to smush in BG's face; but, decorume > prohibits mentioning it here.s >d > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/=20k >r< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:$ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/=20 >AH > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. >aB > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. >nH > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:36:33 -0500d1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>oB Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses' Message-ID: <3B2A55B1.6D6088B0@fsi.net>C   JF Mezei wrote:s >  > Robert Deininger wrote:yG > > > So we need a name for folks who see themselves as sort of amateurA$ > > > ambassadors ... Amatassadors ? > >  > > Zealots? >  > [remaining] customers.   Soon-to-be-former customers?   -- e David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:39:40 -0500I1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>:B Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses& Message-ID: <3B2A566C.D704FE0@fsi.net>   Thomas OToole wrote: > J > Now come on now. Windows is the best. It must be, it's the most popular. > You're just jealous!  @ Upon my first attempt to reply, NS GPF'd and hosed W/95 so bad IE couldn't shut it down. I'm back now, having RESET and sat through thed subsequent SCANDISK...   > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > > John Eisenschmidt wrote: > > >lJ > > > One would think all you have to do is vomit on the ambassador to SunL > > > or IBM. Personally, I think of the guy who pied Bill Gates in the face' > > > as an OpenVMS Goodwill Ambassadora > >bG > > There's something else I'd like to smush in BG's face; but, decorum ! > > prohibits mentioning it here.    -- r David J. Dachteral dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:40:36 +0200T) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>pB Subject: Re: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses, Message-ID: <3B2A72C4.CDD1EE17@infopuls.com>   Roy Omond wrote: >    [SNIP]  F > One "small" thing:  you have to be a Compaq employee to become a VMSH > Ambassador (and contractors within Compaq are not eligible ... I know, > I tried when I was there). > C > So we need a name for folks who see themselves as sort of amateur   > ambassadors ... Amatassadors ? >  > Roy Omondt > Blue Bubble Ltd.   Torrero    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:43:09 -0500o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>d) Subject: Re: It's a VMS anniversary todayl' Message-ID: <3B2A573D.6900B05B@fsi.net>T   Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > U > In article <9gc39g$hp4$1@joe.rice.edu>, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes:T7 > > Terry C. Shannon (terryshannon@mediaone.net) wrote:sM > > : So VMS is 25? Still in the prime of its life given COE compliance, etc.l > > :1N > > : Wonder if we'll be able to say the same about Windoze 2018 when NT/Win2K" > > : hits 25 in another 17 years? > > :l > >i > > Hopefully we'll just hear: > >t% > >   "Grandpa, what was Windows NT?"  > 8 >   Or, dare we hope: "Grandpa, what was Microsoft?" ;-)   Oh, I dunno...  F By then, they might be selling their own "flavor" of whatever succeeds Linux and/or BeOS.  E Of course, by then, they'l have "regenerated" all the otherwise GPL'di code, right?   -- d David J. Dachterab dba DJE Systems. http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:08:28 +0100l+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> ) Subject: Re: It's a VMS anniversary today ' Message-ID: <3B2A5D2C.7B3759D6@iee.org>e   Sue Skonetski wrote:D > The following is the header page of SYSQIOREQ.MAR off the VMS V1.0H > resd. If Dave's creation date is to be believed (and it's historicallyF > plausible), then today marks the 25th anniversary of the creation of! > the first source module of VMS.  > ! > It's been one hell of a trip...R >  > - Andy   [snip]   > 23 ; D. N. CUTLER 14-JUN-76n    - It's certainly been one hell of a trip but ith- started a bit earlier, I think. SYSCVRTIM.LISa( has a DNC entry for 6-JAN-76 (even if he, misslepped it and meant 6-J*U*N-76, it still+ comes in a week and a day earlier ... I cana, only assume that source-code control was not. big in those days so we'll never know although0 suspiciously little was done FEB-76 to MAY-76!).  , IOSUBNPAG.LIS and IOSUBPAGD.LIS both have a  13-JUN-76 date.m   Antonion   -- b   ---------------k- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:46:14 -0500e From: fwheeler@csc.com& Subject: JBC-E-NOQUECTX from F$GETQUI.9 Message-ID: <OF3616F6F0.D8DD06E6-ON86256A6C.006C9A92@com>a  7 I'm getting a JBC-E-NOQUECTX from F$GETQUI on a commandEC file that was intended to RELEASE print jobs held in the queue. TheuG message occurs on line #9 ($ Held = ...) (below) when I run it on VAX/- 	 VMS V7.2.n   What am I doing wrong?< /Scott Wheeler, Computer Sciences Corporation, Fort Worth TX   $ show queue/all ps_lps1c6 Generic printer queue PS_LPS1C6   4   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status4   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------5     100  MSCR4A$1        SELLERS         145  Holdinga5     101  MTDCR4A$1       SELLERS         141  Holding 5     102  DTDCR4A$1       SELLERS         141  Holding)6 $ diff release_held.com nl:     ! 'type' with line #s. ************& File USER4:[WHEELER]RELEASE_HELD.COM;1B     1   $Start: ! Release all 'Holding' jobs from PS_LPS1C6 queue.5     2   $ ClearContext = F$GETQUI("CANCEL_OPERATION")      3   $QLoop:e     4   $ QName = - >     5      F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_QUEUE","QUEUE_NAME","PS_LPS1C6",-'     6               "GENERIC,SYMBIONT")-%     7   $ IF QName .EQS. "" THEN EXIT      8   $JobLoop:mB     9   $ Held = F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_JOB","JOB_HOLDING",,"ALL_JOBS")*    10   $ IF Held .EQS. "" THEN GOTO QLoop    11   $ Entry = - 3    12      F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_JOB","ENTRY_NUMBER",,-:.    13               "FREEZE_CONTEXT,ALL_JOBS")=    14   $ IF Held .EQS. "TRUE" THEN SET ENTRY 'Entry'/RELEASEh    15   $ GOTO JobLoop ****** File NL:[]RELEASE_HELD.COM;r ************  & Number of difference sections found: 1& Number of difference records found: 15    DIFFERENCES /IGNORE=()/MERGED=1-&     USER4:[WHEELER]RELEASE_HELD.COM;1-     NL:[]RELEASE_HELD.COM; $ @release_heldB! %JBC-E-NOQUECTX, no queue context0 $u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:16:43 -0500t* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>D Subject: RE: Looking for Experienced ABS/MDMS Administrators to give- Message-ID: <0033000026648887000002L072*@MHS>n  D =0AI've been using it, mostly successfully for about two months now.H I must say that between ABS, MDMS and ROBOT, there is no feature shorta= ge) (or shortage of command options, either.)u   Definitely not for sissies.m   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET-% > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 2:35 PM F > To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETH > Subject: Looking for Experienced ABS/MDMS Administrators to give a se=   >" >t> > I've been managing OpenVMS systems for 20 years ... and have > been deep into< > working with ABS for the last 1.5 years.  I'd love to help > give a session; > at the CETS 2001 on working with ABS.  I've done a lot toi > automate my ABSl> > setup and would think that my experience and those of others > would make for > a nice panel presentation. >c= > If anyone else is already planning such a session or if you  > would like to = > be part of giving such a session please contact me.  You'lln > have to fix up5 > the address below to take out the bogus_domain part  >i >  > --
 > Bob Boyd > rlb14162@bogus_domain.gsk.com  >=   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jun 2001 18:21:31 GMT- From: "rlb14162" <rlb14162@glaxowellcome.com> W Subject: Looking for Experienced ABS/MDMS Administrators to give a session at CETS 2001u2 Message-ID: <01c0f5c7$55fee8c0$bda33398@us0084745>  K I've been managing OpenVMS systems for 20 years ... and have been deep intofI working with ABS for the last 1.5 years.  I'd love to help give a sessionpI at the CETS 2001 on working with ABS.  I've done a lot to automate my ABSnK setup and would think that my experience and those of others would make fore a nice panel presentation.    I If anyone else is already planning such a session or if you would like touJ be part of giving such a session please contact me.  You'll have to fix up3 the address below to take out the bogus_domain part      -- e Bob Boyd rlb14162@bogus_domain.gsk.comS   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:50:53 -0500f1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>tY Subject: Re: Looking for Experienced ABS/MDMS Administrators to give a session at CETS 20r' Message-ID: <3B2A590D.A8820151@fsi.net>M   rlb14162 wrote:  > M > I've been managing OpenVMS systems for 20 years ... and have been deep into K > working with ABS for the last 1.5 years.  I'd love to help give a sessiontK > at the CETS 2001 on working with ABS.  I've done a lot to automate my ABSiM > setup and would think that my experience and those of others would make forh > a nice panel presentation. > K > If anyone else is already planning such a session or if you would like to L > be part of giving such a session please contact me.  You'll have to fix up5 > the address below to take out the bogus_domain part   H I submitted a session - Advanced DCL Programming - which included a caseF study (automated BACKUPs) based on TapeControl and Oasis/RLM from MTI,G and HSDSA-SCRIPT and DFU from Digital/Compaq. The session was rejected."B A recent update would have shown how to substitute MLU for the MTI	 software.c  7 Maybe if we'd had ABS and co. when I developed that....p   -- e David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:18:16 +0200u= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>a< Subject: Re: making ODBC connections to rdb databases in VMS) Message-ID: <3B2A5F78.616C3098@gtech.com>g   Nivlesh Chandra wrote:N > I have a Oracle Rdb v6 database on a Alpha system. I want to interface to itJ > with Microsoft Access from my desktop. Thus I would like to use ODBC forL > this. Can someone help me and tell me as to how I can go about doing this?  ) Download and install the RDB ODBC driver.  Connect and that is that.r  # Or do you have a specific problem ?    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:29:01 GMTe+ From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com>h2 Subject: Re: MV-3800 & kzqsa Installing, need help+ Message-ID: <3B2A6972.8BC69092@ins-msi.com>e   "k. Mannisto" wrote: > 9 > I have searched WEB and Compaq sites and can not find a@B > procedure that explains how to install a kzqsa-sa scsi card on a > Mic.VAX-3800.c > 3 > Using autogen did not achieve the desire results.e      $ mcr sysgen       configureF      uda,2       ! MSCP controllers: UDA50, KDA50, RQDXn, KZQSA, RQZX1      tk50,1       ^Ze     > O > Console mode "configure" does not list the kzqsa as available for installing.t   H The KZQSA is an MSCP device controller so it will be identified as such.+ The standard MSCP controller addresses are:e       1st - 772150     2nd - 760334     3rd - 760340  ( > Any help would be greatly appreciated.  ( Please post the output from "SHOW QBUS".  
 Jeff Campbellu n8wxs@arrl.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:16:36 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: MV-3800 & kzqsa Installing, need help3 Message-ID: <E2uW6.1504$fi2.45231@news.cpqcorp.net>v  c In article <30b1936e.0106150848.6e9541e0@posting.google.com>, kmannist@gm.com (k. Mannisto) writes: 9 :I have searched WEB and Compaq sites and can not find a tB :procedure that explains how to install a kzqsa-sa scsi card on a  :Mic.VAX-3800.  G   Please don't abbreviate system names -- it can lead to confusion and nI   ambiguity.  I will assume this system is a MicroVAX 3800 series system.   F   Magnetic disks are not reliable and not supported on the KZQSA Q-busD   to SCSI controller -- the KZQSA controller is supported only with 4   specific tape devices and specific CD-ROM devices.  J   When working with most Q-bus modules and Q-bus systems, you really need G   the hardcopy documentation for the controller involved and for every  L   other controller in the system, so that you can set the CSR and interrupt    vector values correctly.  G   Since this MicroVAX 3800 series system is an S-box, you will not have F   worry quite as much about the bus grant stuff, you just need to set G   the CSR and interrupt vector settings correctly.  (For details on theeI   Q-bus grant stuff, search for "serpentine" in the Ask The Wizard area.)m  2 :Using autogen did not achieve the desire results.  F   AUTOGEN is entirely unrelated and entirely unuseful in this context.  G   AUTOCONFIGURE will only locate and configure Q-bus cards with correct    CSR and vector settings.  N :Console mode "configure" does not list the kzqsa as available for installing.  F   CONFIGURE knows this card by its numbers of emulations -- each disk 4   on the DSSI creates another UDA50-style emulation.  A   Do not even think of specifying a subset of the devices in your2F   Q-bus.  When using the CONFIGURE tool, you must specify all devices C   in your Q-bus.   You must always specify all devices in the Q-bushH   when using the CONFIGURE tool.   Repetition for emphasis, not offense.  D   Further, do not believe any display of any Q-bus interrupt vector A   setting other than the one you determine based on decoding the -C   switchpack.  In order to find the interrupt vector settings, you oC   must decode the switchpack values for each device.  To learn the  B   interrupt vector setting, the only way to learn the value is by @   using the documentation for the Q-bus device to determine the B   interrupt vector setting.  Repetition for emphasis, not offense.  @   Q-bus settings cascade.  If you add or remove one Q-bus module=   or (in the case of the KZQSA and KZPSA or other device thats=   emulates multiple controllers) if you add or remove deviceseC   "behind" the controller, you must then (re)validate the settings c/   of all Q-bus modules installed in the system.a  E   In the specific case of the KZPSA controller, the interrupt vector nE   is soft-loaded, and you do not have to set it.   That said, adding lB   or removing a KZPSA may require changes to the CSR or interrupt )   vector settings of other Q-bus modules.g  ' :Any help would be greatly appreciated.   @   Ask The Wizard topics (1149), (1866), (2545), and (2648) have %   related information, settings, etc.   ;   Check the FAQ for a pointer to the Ask The Wizard area...n  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:47:54 GMT:B From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>+ Subject: Re: Need help with LIB$TABLE_PARSEw7 Message-ID: <uLsW6.10186$pb1.381553@www.newsranger.com>a  , On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:46:19 GMT, in articleJ <009FD81D.CCC2A9F8@SendSpamHere.ORG>, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: >ii >In article <OFB96D052A.21A4B52D-ON88256A6A.007D251B@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:e >>J >>Down, Brian, or we'll come over there and poke you with cushions.... :-) >dA >I'm made of harder stuff.  You'll need to fetch the comfy chair.  >e  C Fine. You are hereby denied access to XDELTA and required to accessr9 your VMS systems using Microsoft's terminal emulator. :-)a   Will that do the trick ? :-)   >-- P >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >           P >city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.   Simon.   -- !; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP7K Worrying idea #101: What if Microsoft goes into the Ada compiler business ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:44:26 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ; Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linuxn, Message-ID: <3B2A5785.D5E41327@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:L > re: clustering terms... Personally, I might say "the best UNIX clustering"L > vs "the best NT clustering" vs the "best clustering" for OpenVMS, but thatI > would likely start another long series of threads..so I won't say it ..A  H When GM is discussing luxury cars, you would expect it to talk about itsM Cadillac, not its Cavalier even though the Cavalier might have a few luxuries L in it. If GM portrays Cavalier as its luxury product, then companies such asM Audi, BMW etc will have a very easy time beating GM in the luxury car market.V  N Similarly, when a computer company is touting its clsutering capabilities, oneK would expect it to tout its best clustering product, not one which has onlys/ some of the features that its best product has.,  G Why would Compaq employees be ASHAMED to talk about VMS having the best,N clustering ? What is so damned wrong about saying that Compaq's VMS clsutering" is a decade ahead of competitors ?  N What is so damned wrong to flaunt VMS's superior clustering capabilities while! it still has a significant lead ?a  N Note: VMS may maintain a lead, but as time progresses, other systems will gainL clustering functions that fit the vast majority's needs. Galaxy is neat, but1 useless to the vast majority of potential sites. m  L Why doesn't Compaq flaunt the fact that VMS can do clustering over ethernet,M something which few if any others can do ?  (not sure if Tru64 can do it yet,1" but I heard it was being planned).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:52:49 -0400s- From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>nF Subject: Re: OT: I'm just a "pup"!  Was:Re: DEC vs IBM, story of Moses# Message-ID: <sb2a2162.032@aaas.org>l  H I have to apologize in advance. I seem to be doing everything I can to =G avoid working on this SQL Query, and most of my posts today have been =l idiotic.   But here is one more:a  H Brian, good name choice. I have a theory that how a person develops is =L based solely on their name - not nature, not nurture, not fate, just their =G name. The archetype for the perfect Kevin is 50% Kevin Powers and 50% =MG Kevin Kupilis (these are real people), which means the Microvax IV is =oI going to grow up to be between 5'6" and 5'10", weigh between 120-160lbs = F with Blonde Hair and Blue Eyes, have offbeat but impeccable sense of =K fashion and music, and interface with some of the sexiest hardware in the =A cluster.  8 You should see the archetype for the perfect Jen. Yowsa!  H >>> Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> 06/15/2001 = 9:17:09 AM >>>L In article <3B28E7DC.9515F5DF@BlueBubble.UK.Com>, Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@Blue= Bubble.UK.Com> writes:' >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:o >>=20aL >> In article <sb289497.071@aaas.org>, John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org=	 > writes::K >> >Twenty Years Ago I still was still watching Sesame Street all morning =  =3D K >> >because I was too young to be in school. Ask Bill Gunshannon about my =  blue =3D
 >> >hair. <g>s >>=20aJ >> I'm still watching Sesame Street all morning but only because I've a 19 >> month old toddling about. >rK >So, Brian, after your microVAXen, what have you called your 19 month old =f ?  >  >DS10 ?  :-)  J In case you missed the birth announcement I posted here, here it is again:  L     -----------------------------------------------------------------------= -i<                    Announcing the release of MicroVAX-IV.=20  J      The MicroVAX-IV, in production for the past 38 weeks, was released atI    05-NOV-1999 14:55. This model, code named Kevin, is presently a laptopcL version MicroVAX. Weighing in at just 7 pounds and 14 ounces and measuring = 19E    inches in overall length, this MicroVAX was released with a male =h adaptor forNJ  peripheral device interconnect and system output. Over time, it's hoped =	 that thisnJ  MicroVAX, like the three models preceeding it, will grow to be a larger =	 unit with I   more processing power, better interfacing protocols, and require less =  operator/                                intervention.=20n  L As for its development and production staff, all are well and pleased with = this newH      model. However, this will be the final MicroVAX to be produced by = thisG  development group. The production lines have been severed which will =r	 allow theSG    engineering staff to collaborate in the future without the RISC of = 	 producingu5                         follow-on MicroVAX models.=20lL     -----------------------------------------------------------------------= -4  J Presently, due to accrued mass storage needs, this final microVAX is now aF lofty 33 lbs.  This model is presently capable of interfacing with a = very=20fJ rudimentary communication protocol but has occasional bursts of error thatI makes it very difficult to comprehend the intended program function.  TheoI reams of output generated by this model still require constant operator =  in-  tervention for disposal. =20   --L VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot= )COM
           =20"K city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after =d them.T   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:33:25 -0500E1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>T< Subject: Re: OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup' Message-ID: <3B2A54F5.D45258DC@fsi.net>    John Eisenschmidt wrote: > @ > WELL...Assuming the men in your family hit puberty at 10 threeG > consecutive generations. Wait...that doesn't account for the 9 monthsoI > each time. I think it'd take a concerted family effort to be a Grandpa RH > before 33 at minimum. Personally, I think I was 11 or 12, and 10 years0 > later I'm not even dating, let alone a father.  F There's places in the eastern US where it is not uncommon to find kidsG as young 13 or 14 having children, even marrying legally. At that rate,c2 you could even be as young as 28 and be a Grandpa!   -- 6 David J. DachteraS dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.N   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:09:42 GMTA3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>e< Subject: Re: OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup/ Message-ID: <3B2A6A8F.F1B5A4F7@cableinet.co.uk>    John Eisenschmidt wrote: > > >  and 10 years later I'm not even dating, let alone a father.  1 take it from me, you REALLY need to get out more.    regardse   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:15:56 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> < Subject: Re: OT: It's a VMS anniversary MEETS I'm Just a Pup1 Message-ID: <3B2A34BC.74950EE9@BlueBubble.UK.Com>i   John Eisenschmidt wrote: > L > WELL...Assuming the men in your family hit puberty at 10 three consecutiveN > generations. Wait...that doesn't account for the 9 months each time. I thinkK > it'd take a concerted family effort to be a Grandpa before 33 at minimum.rM > Personally, I think I was 11 or 12, and 10 years later I'm not even dating,c > let alone a father.@  G Hmmmm.... methinks you've got one generation too many in your equation.b  1 30 year old man - 15 year old son - new born babyr' Grandpa           Father            Sont  G Certainly happens many times in this country (UK) although it's usuallyu Grandma - Ma - child.m   Think about it ...  	 Roy Omondu Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:27:33 -0400o5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>s3 Subject: Re: Oxygen VX1 now supported and orderabled3 Message-ID: <_ssW6.1501$fi2.45042@news.cpqcorp.net>-  I It is a unmodified, off the shelf card from 3DLabs.  But do take care, PC-E card makers feel free to keep the box the same, and change everythingdL inside.  The 3DLabs Marketing Name is the Oxygen VX1 (32mb), the actual chipL inside is the Permedia-3.  And just to confuse people, 3DLabs has a tendency7 to interchange it in literature with their Glint stuff.s  L But the cost differential between the street price and Compaq price probablyK isn't worth going out and getting it off the street, and then being worriedi about getting support.       Dave Gudewicz wrote in message/ <9gd1vg$363$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>...uI >Also wonder if this is a "stock" VX1?  Same as one could buy at local PC  >store?s >  >Dave... >i6 >"Terry Kennedy" <terry@gate.tmk.com> wrote in message" >news:GEtxnr.4I4@spcuna.spc.edu...8 >> Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:G >> > The SN-PBXGF-AB (3DLabs Oxygen VX1) is now supported on the  DS10,  >DS10L,t> >> > DS20, DS20E, ES40, and  XP1000 systems under VMS and UNIX >> >; >> > SN-PBXGF-AB 3D Lab, Oxygen, VX1 32MB PCI Graphics Card  >>J >>   Great! However, that part number doesn't show up as an orderable partH >> yet. In fact, search.compaq.com only finds it in 3 places - the GS80,, >> GS160, and GS320 supported options lists. >>H >>   If this is an oversight, can you have the apropriate heads aligned,H >> and if it "just takes some time", do you have any idea how much time? >>
 >> Thanks,7 >>         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.como8 >>         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA >> >a >c   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:29:13 -0400g5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> N Subject: Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation3 Message-ID: <yusW6.1502$fi2.44665@news.cpqcorp.net>   I We're still looking at it.  Yes, I was refering to the UPDATE_V200 patch.rK Some files are not being installed into the right place.  No damage will berC done, but you won't get some of the latest graphics images that aree1 consolidated from earlier "graphics" update kits.e      % Robert Deininger wrote in message ... F >In article <pU7U6.1243$fi2.32064@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"% ><kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  >rC >>                                          DO NOT APPLY THE PATCH.0 >>L >> A review of the patch shows that a number of files are being put into theK >> WRONG directories.  The folks who put the kits together are revising thea kito >> as-we-speak.  >e >Fred, just to clarify.... >aK >Is it the VMS721_UPDATE-V200 patch that we should not install?  The threadc >got a tad confusing.0 > 4 >ftp://ftp.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1/2 >dec-axpvms-vms721_update-v0200--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexe > % >... still has a date of 30-May-2001.n >ZI >Will the updated kit get a new name, such as v0300?  Will the broken kit  >be withdrawn in the meantime? >  >--l >Robert DeiningerS >rdeininger@mindspring.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:19:49 -0400s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)N Subject: Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on AlphastationL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1606010119500001@user-2iveamh.dialup.mindspring.com>  E In article <yusW6.1502$fi2.44665@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"o$ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  K > We're still looking at it.  Yes, I was refering to the UPDATE_V200 patch.sM > Some files are not being installed into the right place.  No damage will be E > done, but you won't get some of the latest graphics images that are 3 > consolidated from earlier "graphics" update kits.h   Thanks for the update.   -- d Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.come   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:38:43 GMTl- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>y" Subject: Raid Array 3000 + 2 ES40s0 Message-ID: <3B2A5626.6349A122@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>  G I am running VMS V7.3 on 2 ES40's with a shared SCSI bus (2 KZPBA) to 2cI Storageworks shelves.  I was under the impression that I could populate 4sM shelves with JBOD disks and still see them from VMS.  That is not the case: ItO can see at most devices 0-7 and devices 100-107 using host port 1, but I cannot M see any device LUNS above 7 from VMS.  Was I misled about the capabilities ofM VMS or the KZPBAs?    - JB    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:22:58 +0200f= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>g Subject: Re: Secured FTP) Message-ID: <3B2A6092.D3F536E8@gtech.com>s   Dave Pampreen wrote:J > Is there a 3rd party FTP that runs between 2 VMS nodes over the internet8 > that uses some sort of encryption to protect the data? > E > I've thought about encrypting it on node a, then FTP to node b thentK > decrypting it, but I need this to be transparent to my users so that whenlG > they push the file from node a to node b, there does not have to be a 9 > special routine to decrypt it (I hope that makes sense)r > L > I'm running VMS7.2-1 with the latest patched version of TCP/IP Services...  ( I am not aware of any "SSL FTP" for VMS.  . We have HTTPS (SSL HTTP) and SSH (SSL TELNET).   Are HTTPS and option ?   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:36:53 GMT - From: "Maria Hanson" <hansonkm@earthlink.net>t Subject: Re: Secured FTPD Message-ID: <VdvW6.8177$aV1.781030@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  L With a little scripting you may be able to use Connect Direct (NDM) for VMS.L FYI it will also do cross platform transfers and give you accountability andD if the first attempt fails...the default retry is 3. It's put out byH Sterling Commerce (the division owned by SBC).  If you give me some more. details I can maybe help out a little further.     -Maria hansonkm@earthlink.net  7 "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message # news:3B2A6092.D3F536E8@gtech.com...P > Dave Pampreen wrote:L > > Is there a 3rd party FTP that runs between 2 VMS nodes over the internet: > > that uses some sort of encryption to protect the data? > >lG > > I've thought about encrypting it on node a, then FTP to node b then H > > decrypting it, but I need this to be transparent to my users so that whenI > > they push the file from node a to node b, there does not have to be a ; > > special routine to decrypt it (I hope that makes sense)d > >gB > > I'm running VMS7.2-1 with the latest patched version of TCP/IP Services...1 >)* > I am not aware of any "SSL FTP" for VMS. >o0 > We have HTTPS (SSL HTTP) and SSH (SSL TELNET). >o > Are HTTPS and option ? >  > Arne >-   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:34:34 GMT ' From: fraley@usfca.edu (Michael Fraley)F Subject: Re: Secured FTP8 Message-ID: <slrn9ilhdk.7i.fraley@cumquat.earthlink.net>  H We are trying to do secure file transfers too. We're running OpenVMS 6.2J and Multinet 4.3. We need to send files to outside vendors, but they can't: be sent in clear text. Any advice for us would be welcome.       Michael Fraley   fraley@usfca.edu   http://www.usfca.edu/~fraley   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:23:17 GMTT From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: set ho/mop9' Message-ID: <3B2A6EAD.5EC08B89@home.nl>r  O I suppose these settings have something to do with a netwerk boot over mop. TheoR first one maybe a setting that will respond to a load command from a load host (ifN the system is in the SRM prompt), the second one may respond to a trigger (andQ thus reboot) command from another system. If I'm right this means that a set hostA$ /mop to such a console doesn't work.   Regards,   Dirk   Robert Deininger wrote:   I > In article <3B291E50.9A530AA2@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:m >:P > > MOP= Maintenance Operations Protocol (afaik). Set host / mop is only used toF > > connect to certain devices like terminal servers, bridges etc. for > configurationmP > > purposes. You can only have one mop connection to such a device. It is not aL > > replacement for set host ./ lat, telnet or cterm.  You can not use it to	 > connect . > > from one VMS system to another VMS system. >pL > Ok, I'm not trying to connect to VMS, but to the console of a machine that > runs VMS.- > I > The DEC 3000 console has some features that seem to support MOP in somet? > way. (This is the only system for which I've found _complete_"# > documentation about the console.)c >t > >>> SET MOP ON | OFF >tI > "... enables the network listener while the system is in console mode."A >  > >>> SET TRIGGER ON | OFF >r= > I think this is supposed to enable a MOP boot command.  Seea > $ LANCP TRIGGER NODE7 > for example.  This doesn't do anything either.  Also,a > $ LANCP CONNECT NODE* > might be a substitute for $ SET HOST/MOP >lF > I really don't understand this stuff, since I've never had a workingA > example.  I've used MOP for satellite VMS boots terminal servero< > downloads.  Both of these are initiated at the remote end. >w > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.comu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:47:42 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a, Subject: Re: Setting up Mail, WEB page, etc., Message-ID: <3B2A5849.B0012B56@videotron.ca>   Tom Linden wrote:  > I > Installed  a T1 yesterday and as a result will need to do POP mail, Weba	 > server.M    J When you get the TCPIP V5.x software for VMS, it comes with a POP and SMTP servers for email.  K You can then get Apache web server, or the better OSU DECthreads web serveroH was was designed for VMS and has been in operationf or a long time (very  stable software). Both are free.  H The one thing that doesn't come out of the box with VMS is IMAP support.  K TCPIP Services also gives you a DHCP server, NFS server and client, TELNET,, FTP etc etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:56:28 -0400:- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>r, Subject: Re: Setting up Mail, WEB page, etc.- Message-ID: <3B2A5A5C.FDCA1B63@bellsouth.net>   P There are a number of ways of accomplishing this.  On VMS7.3 with the Apache WebP server and TCPIPV5.x (includes a POP service) and a product called YAHMAIL, this should not be too difficult.  N I have in the past used NT/Exchange server as a forwarder to my VMS SMTP mail." Just define it in UCX (TCPIPV5.x).   Michael Austin DBA Consultant   Tom Linden wrote:   I > Installed  a T1 yesterday and as a result will need to do POP mail, Webn	 > server.p > J > My options are Tru64 5.0 or VMS 7.3 and I need to interface W2k which is	 > running N > wireless 802.11b lan (because it is cheap and available as PCI cards).  WhatA > do I need to do this under VMS? licensed layered products, etc?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:44:22 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>c, Subject: Re: Setting up Mail, WEB page, etc.( Message-ID: <3B2A6596.DC7E3A8@gtech.com>   Tom Linden wrote:nI > Installed  a T1 yesterday and as a result will need to do POP mail, Webh	 > server.i > J > My options are Tru64 5.0 or VMS 7.3 and I need to interface W2k which is	 > runningSN > wireless 802.11b lan (because it is cheap and available as PCI cards).  WhatA > do I need to do this under VMS? licensed layered products, etc?s  E POP Mail : all major TCP/IP stacks comes with POP email, you also getn            an addon.  C Web server : several exist, most used are OSU, WASD and CSWS=Apacheo   MS Network : PathWorks or Samba   D Wireless LAN : no idea, I seriously doubt that neither VMS nor Tru64F                support that, maybe you can use a router box (with both+                wireless LAN and a real LAN)    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:40:14 GMTt2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: Setting up Mail, WEB page, etc.3 Message-ID: <OouW6.1507$fi2.45081@news.cpqcorp.net>a  h In article <3B2A6596.DC7E3A8@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes: :Tom Linden wrote: ..E :Wireless LAN : no idea, I seriously doubt that neither VMS nor Tru64iG :               support that, maybe you can use a router box (with bothg, :               wireless LAN and a real LAN)  C   Wire the Compaq WL400/WL410/WL500 wireless access point directly  8   to the OpenVMS system via traditional network cabling.  :   http://www.compaq.com/products/wireless/wlan/index.shtml  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:18:38 GMT4$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>? Subject: Re: Shadowed system disk upgrade procedure - VMS 5.5-2e) Message-ID: <3B2AA65E.2CE5A08D@wi.rr.com>a  P If the system is that critical, then you probably already have written "downtime procedures"tO in place that specify how your organization will continue in the event that theu computer system is unavailable.  L What is your plan for the day that your systems barf and neither are usable?  O Thankfully, if my main VMS system was down during prime-time, all that would be  lostN is large amounts of money.  I don't have to worry about having patients' lives on the line.   -scott   frank brown wrote:  N > I should have mentioned the reason I'm backing up from a running system diskM > is to minimize downtime...the cluster runs CAD for our 911 dispatcher alarm N > center.  Booting SABACKUP would add significant downtime, and if there was a3 > big emergency during that time it could get ugly.s >t > -Frank >n3 > "Scott Vieth" <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote in messagea$ > news:3B296F6F.37A753F@wi.rr.com... > > How about: > >a > > 1. Shut down both VAXenn, > > 2. Remove one of the small system disks.$ > > 3. Replace with new bigger disk.0 > > 4. Boot standalone backup from another disk.K > > 5. Use standalone backup to copy the contents of the old system disk toe	 > the newr > > system disk.I > > 6. Make sure your systems are set to boot from the new, larger systemi > disk.t@ > > 7. Replace the other small system disk with the new big one. > > 8. Boot J > > 9. If the system disk doesn't automagically add in the other member of > your > > system disk shadow set,e1 > > add it in manually with a mount/sys/shadow...f > >oN > > i really don't like the idea of making a copy of the system disk while the > > system is running.K > > that's what the standalone backup was designed for.  same deal if these- > were	 > > AXPs: I > > boot from the CD and do your disk copying while the systems are down.e > >j > > -s > >I > > frank brown wrote: > >'I > > > I want to upgrade our shadowed VMS 5.5-2 system disk from a pair ofn
 > RF31s toH > > > RF72s.  There is no room for additional disks on our dual DSSI-bus > 2-VAX4300mL > > > cluster (it's maxed out with disks) so I plan to perform the following > > > steps: > > > @ > > > 1. Dismount one of the existing system disk shadow members6 > > > 2. Shut everything down (CPUs and disk cabinets)0 > > > 3. Replace the dismounted RF31 with a RF72! > > > 4. Start everything back up M > > > 5. Use VMS BACKUP /IGNOR=INTERLOCK to backup the cluster-mounted systemn > disk > > > to the new RF72.# > > > 6. Shut everything down again I > > > 7. Replace the remaining RF31 system disk with the disk BACKUP juste
 > wrote toM > > > 8. Install the other RF72 to the slot the first RF72 initially occupied  > > > 9. Power up all the boxes  > > > 10. Reboot a VAX > > > I > > > If the VAX boots OK then once the system is up, check to see if the  > systemI > > > disk thinks it's part of a shadow set.  (Will it?)  If not, performaJ > > > MOUNT/SYSTEM/SHADOW=(...) to mount the other new disk, to initiate a > shadow > > > copy.  > > >mN > > > Am I missing anything here?  Do I need to perform device node operations > at/ > > > the console (>>>) level on the new disks?@ > > >o! > > > Thanks for the peer review.  > > >p > > > Frank Brownd > > > Seattle Fire Dept." > > > http://www.halcyon.com/frog/ > >n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:48:51 GMTk2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)? Subject: Re: Shadowed system disk upgrade procedure - VMS 5.5-2(3 Message-ID: <T1yW6.1514$fi2.45255@news.cpqcorp.net>d  h In article <spqW6.154$kQ2.27074@news-west.eli.net>, "frank brown" <frank.brown@ci.seattle.wa.us> writes:M :I should have mentioned the reason I'm backing up from a running system disks :is to minimize downtime.t  D   The results of an on-line BACKUP of an active disk -- a disk that E   houses a running copy of the OpenVMS system, or an application diskaH   with I/O activity, etc -- can potentially be inconsistent -- the data E   integrity interlocks that would have to be explicitly overridden doa    exist for a reason, of course.  D :the cluster runs CAD for our 911 dispatcher alarm center.  Booting A :SABACKUP would add significant downtime, and if there was a big u. :emergency during that time it could get ugly.  E   I'd use the bootable version of OpenVMS from a distribution CD-ROM 3F   or from a local disk, as these are way faster than standalone BACKUPD   booting from tape, and far more flexible.  (That said, Standalone ;   BACKUP from a local disk will likely boot even faster...)1   	--   F   I'd probably look at shutting down, splitting the shadowset, add theB   new disk to the DSSI, and then rebooting the main server with a F   one-volume shadowset, and I'd use the off-line BACKUP of the system G   disk (mount it locally, overriding the volume shadowset settings) to  F   transfer the contents of the disk over to the new volume, then shut %   down and rebooting on the new disk.0  H   You will loose accounting or other information that is updated on the 1   system disk during the disk shuffle, of course.l  G   The other obvious option is a clean install, but this has some rathertG   obvious risk: you need to know what you have installed, and you need fF   to reinstall the same versions.  Alternatively, you have to be able G   to install the available and more recent product version(s) onto the s   new (bigger) disk.   	--c  E   That said, I'd look seriously at a VAX 4000 model 10x series, or iflF   you want to continue to operate with the DSSI, I'd look at using theH   HSD (DSSI to SCSI) and bigger (SCSI) disks.  I will assume you cannot F   upgrade to OpenVMS Alpha -- OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2 shipped back in 1992.  G   Realize that V5.5-2 cannot use and cannot address particularly large oF   disks, you'd need to upgrade to a V6.0 or later OpenVMS VAX version B   to go to these "larger" disks.  See the OpenVMS FAQ for details.  E   You may/will be shuffling DSSI unit numbers during your move to the/F   newer old disks, since you will probably need to have the new disks 2   at unique new unit numbers at least temporarily.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:41:56 GMTi# From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net>9 Subject: Re: STL for OS/390n- Message-ID: <3B2AAB4B.D98597C3@earthlink.net>5  8 Look at the "download STL" (or similarly worded) link at   http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/   It's all ASCII, though.s   -- Aaron Sliwinski      mario noioso wrote:s > 
 > Hy guys,I > I'm looking for Standard Tamplate Library C++ for S.O. 0S/390 2.10 withe > cbc0000(I)product(5647-A01)m > Where can I download STL ? >  > thanks   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:19:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Caillech@helferlein.net-' Subject: The Daily David Hobbs Repost 2 D Message-ID: <673b1392b644e002915e057a9f222601@remailer.segfault.net>  E David Hobbs, computer whiz, Seattle area resident, fired Credit UnioncB employee, hacker, snowboarder, holder of a DWI, high tech industryB worker, and general all round nasty person has made numerous postsG to a variety of newsgroups that I'll bet that he wishes he had canceledf& before others had made copies of them.  ! Another classic David Hobbs post:0  1 "Bert deserves what is coming to him, so does hime6 buttmante Scott. ... If he thinks he can get away with9 this and not have some type of retaliation happen to him,-? others around him, his busines and private life he is dreaming.e? (Ready to move too, Bert? It probably would be in your families:@ best interest, seeing as controvrsial you have been here. Heaven< forbid, something terrible ever happened to innocent parties( associated to you. That would be awful."  2 Maybe David Hobbs works for you. Maybe he needs to learn how to spell.y  1 Maybe you should run a "random" drug test on him.p  5 Maybe you should check his computer and see where all , of those e-mails of his are REALLY going to.  7 Maybe he will create an alt. newsgroup under YOUR name!o  2 See you tomorrow with another Classic David Hobbs!   CBB7  ! Comments, kudos or complaints to:o2 David Hobbs (Maverick) <lordboots@mailandnews.com>   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 05:44:33 GMTP' From: Scott Abraham <scottabe@home.com>-+ Subject: Re: The Daily David Hobbs Repost 26( Message-ID: <3B2AF21B.F47C0E96@home.com>   Whoever you are, good work.c: Hobbs is a psychopathic liar, a drug addict, a true wacko.F He threatened my life on several occasions, has stalked me in the realD world, has made false police reports, committed perjury, and grossly defamed me.o If you know him, avoid him   Caillech@helferlein.net wrote:  G > David Hobbs, computer whiz, Seattle area resident, fired Credit Union.D > employee, hacker, snowboarder, holder of a DWI, high tech industryD > worker, and general all round nasty person has made numerous postsI > to a variety of newsgroups that I'll bet that he wishes he had cancelede( > before others had made copies of them. >P# > Another classic David Hobbs post:h >n3 > "Bert deserves what is coming to him, so does hime8 > buttmante Scott. ... If he thinks he can get away with; > this and not have some type of retaliation happen to him,nA > others around him, his busines and private life he is dreaming. A > (Ready to move too, Bert? It probably would be in your familiespB > best interest, seeing as controvrsial you have been here. Heaven> > forbid, something terrible ever happened to innocent parties* > associated to you. That would be awful." >P4 > Maybe David Hobbs works for you. Maybe he needs to > learn how to spell.T > 3 > Maybe you should run a "random" drug test on him.- >-7 > Maybe you should check his computer and see where ally. > of those e-mails of his are REALLY going to. >F9 > Maybe he will create an alt. newsgroup under YOUR name!> > 4 > See you tomorrow with another Classic David Hobbs! >i > CBBV >6# > Comments, kudos or complaints to: 4 > David Hobbs (Maverick) <lordboots@mailandnews.com>   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 05:54:57 GMTr+ From: "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@gte.net>y+ Subject: Re: The Daily David Hobbs Repost 2r: Message-ID: <RwCW6.1765$q_2.703506@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>  4 "Scott Abraham" <scottabe@home.com> wrote in message" news:3B2AF21B.F47C0E96@home.com... > Whoever you are, good work.a< > Hobbs is a psychopathic liar, a drug addict, a true wacko.  6 And a seemingly endless source of killfileable idiots.  4 Apparently, he's good for more than the rest of you.   Jimg   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:15:57 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>dB Subject: Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)) Message-ID: <3B2A5EED.F0238B94@gtech.com>o   David Mathog wrote:tH > Amen to that.  If there are any compiler gurus out there with a lot ofF > spare time on their hands, it would be _fantatastic_ if gcc could be > induced to do something like:  >  >   gcc -w=portablei > H > which would flag every single OS specific piece of code.  Basically it > would have to know:u > 9 >  1. what's all the Ansi C functions and definitions ares7 >  2. what all the user's functions and definitions aret > E > and then flag everything else.  I guess it would have to handle thesI > definitions during compilation and the function usage when it links. ItsL > would also have to be aware of which functions have OS specific arguments,+ > notoriously select() and XtAppAddInput().t  @ 1)  There are many other causes of non-portable code than system     specific functions.r  F 2)  System specific functions are at least easy to find for the porter-     (the linker provides him with that info).   > 3)  It is impossible to distinguish between user functions and3     system/compiler/thirdparty-libraries functions.r   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jun 2001 11:11:08 -0700- From: afeldman@gfigroup.com (Alan E. Feldman)o& Subject: Re: V7.3 backup "improvement"= Message-ID: <af1e4ce6.0106151011.50fd6a77@posting.google.com>r  f Ed Wilts <ewilts@ewilts.org> wrote in message news:<jZVV6.48243$V6.2482552@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net>... > John Santos wrote: >  > L > > The reason the mod date is important is the change to BACKUP in VMS V6.2I > > (IIRC) regarding incremental backups.  If the directory's mod date isrK > > more recent than its backup date, all files in the directory (includingVK > > any subdirectories) get backed up.  According to the FAQ (item MGMT35), H > > this was done specifically so that incremental restores will work ifL > > a directory was renamed.  (Renaming changes the mod date, as it should.) > K > Actually, I believe the FAQ is wrong.  I'm one of the guilty people that tI > beat on DEC to fix Backup with a specific case, and that was if a root sN > directory on a disk got deleted between an image and an incremental backup, K > an operation we did far too often at a job I last worked.  What happened hL > was during a full disk restore, the root directory would be restored, and J > then not deleted during the incremental phase, and we saw several cases M > where we filled disk trying to restore it.  Unfortunately we did quarterly nH > disaster recovery tests that necessitated a lot of full disk restores.  D The root directory (top level directory) should have been deleted inE this case using either pre-v6.2 or v6.2 BACKUP. This must be a bug in F BACKUP/INCREMENTAL. (I assume you ran this with sufficient privs.) ButA the possibility of the disk filling up is expected and documented0B behavior. In fact, IIRC, this was also expected and documented forC version 5 backup (see the V5 manual called something like "Guide toh; Maintaining a VMS System"). The manuals says to reapply thetC incremental backup in this case. That is true for both pre-V6.2 and2 V6.2 VMS BACKUP (again, IIRC).  F Also, it is most efficient to apply the incremental backups in reverseA chronological order. If you do that, then the possibility of disk E fillup is present only for the first-applied incremental. (Too bad weo> can't restore the most recent incremental first and then applyE previous incrementals and then the original full "image" backup. That8) would eliminate the disk-fillup problem.)l   > M > In my opinion, the fix was worse than the problem.  We had workarounds for eK > the original problem (which involved manually verifying root directories nK > and deleting them between the image and incremental restores).  We don't  4 > have really good workarounds for the current mess.  A Can't you run a dummy backup of all .DIR files just prior to your4 incremental saves?   [...stuff omitted...]u   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman &-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:30:31 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: Re: V7.3 backup "improvement"3 Message-ID: <HfuW6.1505$fi2.45148@news.cpqcorp.net>-  a In article <jZVV6.48243$V6.2482552@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net>, Ed Wilts <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes:8 :John Santos wrote:n :a :eK :> The reason the mod date is important is the change to BACKUP in VMS V6.2oH :> (IIRC) regarding incremental backups.  If the directory's mod date isJ :> more recent than its backup date, all files in the directory (includingJ :> any subdirectories) get backed up.  According to the FAQ (item MGMT35),G :> this was done specifically so that incremental restores will work if/K :> a directory was renamed.  (Renaming changes the mod date, as it should.)- :-( :Actually, I believe the FAQ is wrong.    J   Hmmm.  The information in the FAQ was derived from a series of meetings K   that I had with the developers that were maintaining and updating BACKUP,-H   and particularly the series of meetings that led up to the fix and theI   subsequent meetings that resulted from the folks that received the fix 1K   and that then saw more data going out to the tapes and the meetings that yJ   then involved discussions of changes to the /SINCE qualifier processing H   to reduce the amount of data that was copied for cases of /SINCE that =   did not need the extra data for the incremental processing.r  L :In my opinion, the fix was worse than the problem.  We had workarounds for J :the original problem (which involved manually verifying root directories J :and deleting them between the image and incremental restores).  We don't 3 :have really good workarounds for the current mess.   B   Which current mess?  Do you have current ECOs for BACKUP loaded?  E   The fix was to permit correct incremental restores for renamed and iE   otherwise altered directories.  The fix did cause far more data to eF   get copied out to the tape, but it did mean the incremental backups F   that were created could get restored.  Subsequent changes permit to A   BACKUP permit folks that are NOT performing incremental BACKUP s)   operations to obtain the old behaviour.3  C :...I do realize that Compaq is working hard to try and solve this tJ :issue, but I believe they need to work in the real world for a while and 1 :see the pain they're causing with these changes.m  C   We encounter "pain" when we do fix things and we encounter "pain"eF   when we don't.  We encounter "pain" when folks are using documented E   interfaces and don't see correct behaviour, and we encounter "pain".J   when folks are using undocumented behaviour and undocumented interfaces 3   or entirely questionable coding and see changes. t  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:46:40 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>& Subject: Re: V7.3 backup "improvement"5 Message-ID: <1010616002949.4230A-100000@Ives.egh.com>1  < There is a lot of yelling in this post.  Sometimes it is the: only way to get through to people.  (A 2x4 upside the head sometimes works, too.)  C NO. NO. NO.  The problem isn't BACKUP.  I understand (more or less)tB why BACKUP wants to backup modified directories when you are doing an incremental backup.  / The question is "What is a modified directory?"2  A BACKUP assumes that if the backup date of the directory is eitherIE zero (never backed up) or older than the modified date, the directoryw has been modified.  H THIS IS A FALSE ASSUMPTION under VAX VMS V7.3 and Alpha VMS V7.2-1 with F VMS721_F11X-V0200 installed on it.  (Haven't tried Alpha VMS V7.3 yet, but it is probably the same.)l  A The XQP has been changed so it now updates the modified date of aXE directory file whenever sufficient files have been created in it thatoA it has to allocate a new block, or whenever sufficient files have.> been deleted such that it decides to remove an empty block andC compress.  Since these events happen frequently on any active disk, C an incremental backup of any active disk will probably select EVERYn
 F***ING FILE.   > Expanding or contracting a directory ARE NOT EVENTS THAT CAUSE INCREMENTAL RESTORES TO FAIL.   B There are two cures to this.  1) Implement a new "directory really= modified" date, that only reflects events that actually cause ? incremental restores to fail, and have BACKUP examine that datec> when doing incremental backups.  2) Change the XPQ back to its= prior behaviour, which was to set the modified date only whens0 some explicit modification was made to the file.  ? Option 2 is probably much easier than option 1.  In fact, sincei? there is no mention of this change of behaviour in (let alone au; justification of it) in the ECO cover letter or in the V7.3t> release notes, it probably wasn't intentional, but is purely a
 flat out bug.p  ( On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Hoff Hoffman wrote:  c > In article <jZVV6.48243$V6.2482552@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net>, Ed Wilts <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes:t > :John Santos wrote:p > :l > :rM > :> The reason the mod date is important is the change to BACKUP in VMS V6.21J > :> (IIRC) regarding incremental backups.  If the directory's mod date isL > :> more recent than its backup date, all files in the directory (includingL > :> any subdirectories) get backed up.  According to the FAQ (item MGMT35),I > :> this was done specifically so that incremental restores will work ifnM > :> a directory was renamed.  (Renaming changes the mod date, as it should.)o > :i* > :Actually, I believe the FAQ is wrong.   > L >   Hmmm.  The information in the FAQ was derived from a series of meetings M >   that I had with the developers that were maintaining and updating BACKUP,oJ >   and particularly the series of meetings that led up to the fix and theK >   subsequent meetings that resulted from the folks that received the fix fM >   and that then saw more data going out to the tapes and the meetings that iL >   then involved discussions of changes to the /SINCE qualifier processing J >   to reduce the amount of data that was copied for cases of /SINCE that ? >   did not need the extra data for the incremental processing.  > N > :In my opinion, the fix was worse than the problem.  We had workarounds for L > :the original problem (which involved manually verifying root directories L > :and deleting them between the image and incremental restores).  We don't 5 > :have really good workarounds for the current mess.0 > D >   Which current mess?  Do you have current ECOs for BACKUP loaded? > G >   The fix was to permit correct incremental restores for renamed and yG >   otherwise altered directories.  The fix did cause far more data to  H >   get copied out to the tape, but it did mean the incremental backups H >   that were created could get restored.  Subsequent changes permit to C >   BACKUP permit folks that are NOT performing incremental BACKUP e+ >   operations to obtain the old behaviour.i > E > :...I do realize that Compaq is working hard to try and solve this bL > :issue, but I believe they need to work in the real world for a while and 3 > :see the pain they're causing with these changes.. > E >   We encounter "pain" when we do fix things and we encounter "pain"VH >   when we don't.  We encounter "pain" when folks are using documented G >   interfaces and don't see correct behaviour, and we encounter "pain"pL >   when folks are using undocumented behaviour and undocumented interfaces 5 >   or entirely questionable coding and see changes. i > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------P >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >  >  >    -- / John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:20:04 GMT16 From: Gunther Schadow <gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org>; Subject: VAX6000 / KDB50, need help with some questions ...D6 Message-ID: <3B2AD061.97840512@aurora.regenstrief.org>   Hi,a  > I finally got a cab kit for a KDB50 along with a second set of? cards. I still have no SDI drives (makes a lot of sense to haveu? one DSSI drive without KFMSA and a KDB50 without SDI drives :-)s: However, I wanted to see whether those cards work (all my : warranty periods expire without me even having a chance to< test it all!) I think I have everything installed right, but; please tell me if I'm wrong. On the back side of the BI busi the picture looks like this:  
      T   T
      1   1
      0   0
      0   0
      3   2       +--++--+     |..||[=======e.     |..||[ =======  4 cables going to bulkhead     |..||[=======      |..||[ =======     +--++--+     +--++--+ <---------      |      | <     |      | < 17-01092-01     |      | <  RIBBON     |      | <     +--++--+ <----------     +--++--+ <---------a     |      | <     |      | < 17-01092-01       |      | <  RIBBON     |      | <     +--++--+ <----------  C So, looking into the back of the cabinet, I have the T1003 left and F the T1002 right, the lower two connector slots are all covered by the B 17-01092-01 ribbon cables connecting the two cards. The upper leftB slot is empty, not even any jumpers. The upper right slot has the C cables that run to the bulkhead. I did not plug this in but instead-@ the cab kit came as one piece with the connector "bars" ready toD screw in, in exchange for a pair of empty connectors bars. Those are@ "easy screws", which suggested to me that it is meant to be doneG that way. The bars only fit this way (originally I thought the 4 cables 7 would be out of the lower slot, like the CI cables do.)e  F When I turn the machine on, I see the two sets of small red LEDs lightD in the following sequence (notice that we now look from the front!):   1)       2)      3)i                  0  .     O  O    (0) 0 .  .     O  .     0  . .  .     O  .     0  0 0  .     O  .     0  0   T  T 1  1 0  0 0  0 2  3  > the yellow LED's will not come on and the selftest shows one -C at the slot of the T1002 and nothing at the T1003. SHOW CONF shows e	 ????????.o  F Is this normal when no drives are connected at the bulkhead? I suspectC it isn't normal. I also reckon that the pattern of red LED's could  ; tell something if I had a handbook to decypher those signs.h  % I can see the following things wrong:m  " a) no drives connected, easy, goodA b) the connector bars don't have good contacts with the backplaneo.    (how can that be improved? how can I tell?)3 c) the cards have a bad connection to the backplane * d) something is broken on the cards (bad!)  ? I don't think that the cards are broken, because I get the same % thing with either set of KDB50 cards.e  < Can somebody help me debug? I'd really like to know if those; cards work, because it can take another while before I haveh any SDI drives.e   Thanks!y -Gunther     -- sH Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D.                    gschadow@regenstrief.orgH Medical Information Scientist      Regenstrief Institute for Health CareH Adjunct Assistant Professor        Indiana University School of MedicineH tel:1(317)630-7960                         http://aurora.regenstrief.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:29:25 +0200e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>D$ Subject: Re: vms maintenance utility) Message-ID: <3B2A6215.E02B84A6@gtech.com>e   "St. Claire" wrote: G > Does anyone know what the maintenance utility for vms is and what thebH > command is to launch it; like smit is the maintenance utility for aix?  9 There are not really any single utility like smit on VMS.o  @ (there are a management station utility for windows that let youA manage your VMS box from a windows system, but almost nobody uses8 that)?   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:30:49 +0200E= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o$ Subject: Re: vms maintenance utility) Message-ID: <3B2A6269.92ECA0C9@gtech.com>e   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > "St. Claire" wrote:l > >_I > > Does anyone know what the maintenance utility for vms is and what the J > > command is to launch it; like smit is the maintenance utility for aix? > > > Perhaps if you explain what you're trying to do; there is noG > "maintenance utility for vms", though I suppose SYSMAN may qualify inn > some regards.t  6 He did say that he wanted something like smit for AIX.  = For those that know AIX, then that is pretty good descriptiont> (but the large majority of a VMS forum, that does not know AIX are ofcourse lost).S   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:17:14 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: vms maintenance utility' Message-ID: <3B2A6D4A.7FD87E07@fsi.net>f   Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > > "St. Claire" wrote:m > > >eK > > > Does anyone know what the maintenance utility for vms is and what thebL > > > command is to launch it; like smit is the maintenance utility for aix? > >1@ > > Perhaps if you explain what you're trying to do; there is noI > > "maintenance utility for vms", though I suppose SYSMAN may qualify in7 > > some regards.m > 8 > He did say that he wanted something like smit for AIX. > ? > For those that know AIX, then that is pretty good description @ > (but the large majority of a VMS forum, that does not know AIX > are ofcourse lost).   B Could you briefly describe "smit", maybe starting with name? (UN*XF utility names are sometimes acronyms or contractions, like "tar" (TapeG ARchiver), "cp" (CoPy) "pwd" ("Print" Working Directory) and the like.)m   -- ) David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:19:50 -0500i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n$ Subject: Re: vms maintenance utility' Message-ID: <3B2A6DE6.42848C77@fsi.net>    Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > "St. Claire" wrote:oI > > Does anyone know what the maintenance utility for vms is and what the J > > command is to launch it; like smit is the maintenance utility for aix? > ; > There are not really any single utility like smit on VMS.A > B > (there are a management station utility for windows that let youC > manage your VMS box from a windows system, but almost nobody usesi > that)d  A Management Station provides for management of a limited number of E aspects of the system. It is not, IMHO, comprehensive. Some sites mayk find it useful, all the same.    -- ) David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.r   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:43:36 -0500 (CDT)n From: sms@antinode.org$ Subject: Re: vms maintenance utility) Message-ID: <01061515433592@antinode.org>o  1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n  > > Could you briefly describe "smit", maybe starting with name?  *    SMIT = System Management Interface Tool  E    It's a GUI for system management tasks.  Back when we still had an E AIX system in action, I found it indispensible, as I found the actual F AIX commands to be cryptic even by UNIX standards.  (AIX has some niceE qualities, however.  It looks like a UNIX which was written by peopler= who had seen an OS before, so it differs from most other UNIXV? implementations.  Imagine unique id numbers for different errorcC messages!)  So far as I can remember, SMIT had all the stuff I evere- needed, and it was easy to use.  Quite handy.J  G    The highlight of SMIT is the SMIT Dude, a little silhouette of a mancA which is animated to be running (side view) while your command ispC running, and who, when the command is finished, either displays histG biceps in triumph (front (or back) view) or falls flat on his face as ae2 status indicator.  Yup, I _do_ miss the SMIT Dude.  E    In my experience, it's superior to HP-UX SAM, Solaris admintool orr Tru64 whatever-it-was.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)aC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)tG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)h9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)s   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jun 2001 21:44:58 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)i$ Subject: Re: vms maintenance utility' Message-ID: <9gdvkq$bom$1@joe.rice.edu>e  0 David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@fsi.net) wrote: :fD : Could you briefly describe "smit", maybe starting with name? (UN*XH : utility names are sometimes acronyms or contractions, like "tar" (TapeI : ARchiver), "cp" (CoPy) "pwd" ("Print" Working Directory) and the like.)r :i  : When the 'smit' command is entered at the prompt, which is "/home/leslie>" :e     /home/leslie> smit  - this is what appears on an AIX 3.2.5 system :   2                                  System Management  .   Move cursor to desired item and press Enter.  '     Software Installation & Maintenancew     Devicesi     Physical & Logical Storage     Security & Users2     Diskless Workstation Management & Installation,     Communications Applications and Services     Spooler (Print Jobs)     Problem Determinationr%     Performance & Resource Schedulingm     System Environmentso     Processes & Subsystems     Applications!     Using SMIT (information only)t      F   F1=Help             F2=Refresh          F3=Cancel           F8=Image2   F9=Shell            F10=Exit            Enter=DoL ============================================================================  A The SMIT menu can be transversed with the UP and DOWn arrow keys,u5 and function keys. F10 returns a command line prompt.h  I From an offline email dialog, Ms. St. Clair was trying to add a new user uG and a printer. I believe she has defined a new user, but there may not  F be any TCP/IP stack installed, she reported that none of the following) commands produced meaningful information:   6    $ UCX SHOW VERSION  ! "Ultrix Connection" (Digital)I    $ TCPIP SHOW VERSION    ! TCP/IP Services (fka "UCX") (Digital/Compaq)-8    $ MULTINET SHOW/VERSION ! Process Software - Multinet3    $ RUN TCPWARE:NETCU ! Process Software - TCPware-@    $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:IPCP   ! CMU/IP (Carnegie-Mellon University)  H I've asked for the output from "SHOW SYSTEM" to verify that is the case.   --Jerry Leslie     e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:08:27 -0500n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: vms maintenance utility' Message-ID: <3B2ACDAB.4F89592A@fsi.net>s   Jerry Leslie wrote:h > 2 > David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@fsi.net) wrote: > :iF > : Could you briefly describe "smit", maybe starting with name? (UN*XJ > : utility names are sometimes acronyms or contractions, like "tar" (TapeK > : ARchiver), "cp" (CoPy) "pwd" ("Print" Working Directory) and the like.)  > :m > < > When the 'smit' command is entered at the prompt, which is > "/home/leslie>" :M >  >   /home/leslie> smit > / > this is what appears on an AIX 3.2.5 system :r > 4 >                                  System Management > 0 >   Move cursor to desired item and press Enter. > ) >     Software Installation & Maintenanceo1 VMS Equiv.'s: PRODUCT command options, VMSINSTAL?c  
 >     Devices  VMS Equiv.'s: SHOW DEVICEe    >     Physical & Logical Storage2 VMS Equiv.'s: SHOW DEVICE D, SHOW DEVICE D/MOUNTED   >     Security & UsersE VMS Equiv.'s: {SHOW,SET} AUDIT, {SHOW,SET} ACCOUNTING, {ADD,MOD,SHOW}I user_spec (in Authorize)  4 >     Diskless Workstation Management & Installation- VMS Equiv.'s: Various options in NCP or LANCPt  . >     Communications Applications and ServicesA VMS Equiv.'s: Various options in SHOW DEVICE, SHOW TERMINAL, etc.a   >     Spooler (Print Jobs)# VMS Equiv.'s: {INIT,SET,SHOW} QUEUEi   >     Problem Determinationt% VMS Equiv.'s: ANALYZE/ERROR, DIAGNOSEi  ' >     Performance & Resource Scheduling  VMS Equiv.'s: MONITORi   >     System Environmentsp9 VMS Equiv.'s: SHOW LOGICAL/TABLE={table_name(s),wildcard}c   >     Processes & Subsystems VMS Equiv.'s: SHOW SYSTEM, ?   >     ApplicationsC VMS Equiv.'s: No direct equiv., but some PRODUCT options may apply.b  J > From an offline email dialog, Ms. St. Clair was trying to add a new userH > and a printer. I believe she has defined a new user, but there may notH > be any TCP/IP stack installed, she reported that none of the following+ > commands produced meaningful information:i > 8 >    $ UCX SHOW VERSION  ! "Ultrix Connection" (Digital)K >    $ TCPIP SHOW VERSION    ! TCP/IP Services (fka "UCX") (Digital/Compaq)e: >    $ MULTINET SHOW/VERSION ! Process Software - Multinet5 >    $ RUN TCPWARE:NETCU ! Process Software - TCPwaretB >    $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:IPCP   ! CMU/IP (Carnegie-Mellon University) > J > I've asked for the output from "SHOW SYSTEM" to verify that is the case.  . ...or the messages returned by those commands.   -- l David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:11:02 -0500s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i$ Subject: Re: vms maintenance utility' Message-ID: <3B2ACE46.1E8598DB@fsi.net>a   sms@antinode.org wrote:y > 3 > From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>k > @ > > Could you briefly describe "smit", maybe starting with name? > , >    SMIT = System Management Interface Tool > G >    It's a GUI for system management tasks.  Back when we still had anuG > AIX system in action, I found it indispensible, as I found the actualeH > AIX commands to be cryptic even by UNIX standards.  (AIX has some niceG > qualities, however.  It looks like a UNIX which was written by peoplei? > who had seen an OS before, so it differs from most other UNIXuA > implementations.  Imagine unique id numbers for different error E > messages!)  So far as I can remember, SMIT had all the stuff I everh/ > needed, and it was easy to use.  Quite handy.p > I >    The highlight of SMIT is the SMIT Dude, a little silhouette of a manoC > which is animated to be running (side view) while your command is E > running, and who, when the command is finished, either displays hissI > biceps in triumph (front (or back) view) or falls flat on his face as a 4 > status indicator.  Yup, I _do_ miss the SMIT Dude. > G >    In my experience, it's superior to HP-UX SAM, Solaris admintool orr > Tru64 whatever-it-was.  E RRD/Metromail had an AS/400 while I was there. I was impressed that au7 UN*X-type OS could made to look like the ISPF "panels".n   -- h David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:34:47 GMT0B From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> Subject: VMS usage at Intell7 Message-ID: <bzsW6.10176$pb1.381241@www.newsranger.com>2  ) On 14 Jun 2001 10:25:00 -0700, in article G <3147e88a.0106140924.4397b57e@posting.google.com>, Ken Fairfield wrote:  >S   [Ken's response deleted]   >--h9 >Kenneth H. Fairfield, F20 Automation VMS System Support dD >Intel Corp., 2501 NW 229th Street, MS: RA2-376, Hillsboro, OR 97124  I Now we _know_ (as opposed to just strongly believe) that VMS is in use at H Intel. :-) Are you allowed to talk (at least in general terms) about VMS= usage in Intel and the types of systems/VMS versions in use ?    Simon.   --  ; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP K Worrying idea #101: What if Microsoft goes into the Ada compiler business ?=   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jun 2001 16:20:58 -07003 From: kenneth.h.fairfield@intel.com (Ken Fairfield)| Subject: Re: VMS usage at Intel-= Message-ID: <3147e88a.0106151520.4396f582@posting.google.com>    Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> wrote in message news:<bzsW6.10176$pb1.381241@www.newsranger.com>...n+ > On 14 Jun 2001 10:25:00 -0700, in articlehI > <3147e88a.0106140924.4397b57e@posting.google.com>, Ken Fairfield wrote:n > >e >  > [Ken's response deleted] >  > >-- ; > >Kenneth H. Fairfield, F20 Automation VMS System Support  F > >Intel Corp., 2501 NW 229th Street, MS: RA2-376, Hillsboro, OR 97124 > K > Now we _know_ (as opposed to just strongly believe) that VMS is in use atnJ > Intel. :-) Are you allowed to talk (at least in general terms) about VMS? > usage in Intel and the types of systems/VMS versions in use ?s  G     First: I made a mistake in that last posting of not adding a clear  = disclaimer that I DO NOT speak for Intel, etc., etc.  Sigh...   E     Secondly, business issues and corporate policies prevent me from  N disclosing details of Intel's factory procedures, systems in use, etc., etc.  H It is already public knowledge (for decades) that Intel does use VMS in I its fabs.  As might be expected, there are also a lot of other operating DM systems in use in the fabs as well.  But for those of you who know me and my nL feelings about VMS, that should give you a very good indication of what _I_ L think the future of VMS is at Intel, having just left a perfectly good (fun L and interesting, really) position at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center N to come here after nearly 18 years at SLAC.  And no, they _didn't_ want me to  go. :-) :-)a  I     It's just too bad I have to post through Google for the time being...               -Ken --8 Kenneth H. Fairfield, F20 Automation VMS System Support C Intel Corp., 2501 NW 229th Street, MS: RA2-376, Hillsboro, OR 97124o? e-mail: kenneth.h.fairfield@intel.com      phone:  503-613-0482n  H Disclaimer: I do not speak for Intel, either officially or unofficially.   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jun 2001 19:27:49 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)n2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?, Message-ID: <9gdnjl$27kn$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  * In article <3B27443F.7AB52BBC@uk.sun.com>,3  andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  |> a |> Bill Gunshannon wrote:i |> > e/ |> > In article <3B1B784F.2F7901E9@uk.sun.com>,u8 |> >  andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: |> > |>,$ |> > |> and Power cuts in California |> > o< |> > well, there went your credibility right out the window. |> > t |> e |> i7 |> Really, so they arn't a good example of what happensa1 |> if you don't have a coeherant energy policy !!c |> l |> I stand corrected.  |>    @ It is a local phenomena that has much more to do with greed than? real energy problems.  The companies involved paid out millionso? of dollars in bonuses immediately before filing for bankruptcy.y? And unless you believe that somehow something as arbitrary as au= state border can restrict electricity, how do you explain the @ fact that none of the surrounding states are suffering from this phenomena??    bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   n   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:12:11 -0400e2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1606010112110001@user-2iveamh.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <9gdnjl$27kn$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@cs.scranton.edu wrote:    B > It is a local phenomena that has much more to do with greed thanA > real energy problems.  The companies involved paid out millions A > of dollars in bonuses immediately before filing for bankruptcy..A > And unless you believe that somehow something as arbitrary as a ? > state border can restrict electricity, how do you explain theJB > fact that none of the surrounding states are suffering from this > phenomena??   > None of the bordering states passed the same price-controlling "deregulation" scheme into law.n   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comp   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.331 ************************