1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 19 Jun 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 338       Contents: Re: %XPO ?? # Re: 10 vs 100 Mb ethernet on xp1000  Re: ACMS logins exceeded Re: Advanced Server  vs. Samba Bold heading on a report1 Carbon dating DEC/VMS users, was: Re: V7.3 backup 5 Re: Carbon dating DEC/VMS users, was: Re: V7.3 backup  COMPAQ eBUSINESS Re: COMPAQ eBUSINESS Re: COMPAQ eBUSINESS Re: COMPAQ eBUSINESS& Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation& Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation& Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3  Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3 ) DQ driver (was: link err on $LOAD_DRIVER)  FreeVMS  FS/FT: AlphaStation 600 5/266 ' Re: How to make $SET HOST work, et. al. 0 How to see who causes execessive login failures.4 Re: How to see who causes execessive login failures.4 Re: How to see who causes execessive login failures.4 Re: How to see who causes execessive login failures.4 Re: How to see who causes execessive login failures.+ Re: I/O completion ASTs firing prematurely? + Re: I/O completion ASTs firing prematurely?  Re: Intel, Stratus (...), Re: Intel, Stratus ally against Unix Servers LAT-problem SYSTEM-F-HANGUP  Re: LAT-problem SYSTEM-F-HANGUP  Re: LAT-problem SYSTEM-F-HANGUP  Re: link err on $LOAD_DRIVER Re: link err on $LOAD_DRIVERP Re: Looking for Experienced ABS/MDMS Administrators to give a session at CETS 20 Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing  Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing  Re: modern day x-terminals) Re: Mozilla 0.9.1 - faster but no helpers , Need TCL 8.2 or above port for Alpha OpenVMS Re: OpenVMS Applications Re: OpenVMS Applications2 RE: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux2 Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux2 Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux2 Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux2 RE: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux2 Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux2 RE: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux2 RE: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux Re: POSTs via SSL to Apache + Press Release from Experis Technology Group E Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation & Re: Problem with JUMP from FREEWARE CD- Re: Problem with large queue lengths on disk. - Re: Problem with large queue lengths on disk.  Re: Raid Array 3000 + 2 ES40s 5 Remote connection error on OVMS 7.2 and Oracle 7.3...  Re: Secured FTP  Re: TCL- C in Open VMS
 TCPIP V5.1 TCPIP$CONFIGURE won't exit Re: TCPIP$CONFIGURE won't exit RE: TCPIP$CONFIGURE won't exit Re: UCX tcp/ip problems  Unix join utility for openvms?" Re: Unix join utility for openvms?" Re: Unix join utility for openvms?" Re: Unix join utility for openvms?" Re: Unix join utility for openvms?" Re: Unix join utility for openvms?! VMS 7.3 problems with ATAPI CDROM  Re: vms maintenance utility  Re: vms maintenance utility  Re: vms maintenance utility  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? 
 [OT] VMS news  Re: [OT] VMS news  Re: [OT] VMS news   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2001 11:06:20 GMT' From: "NoSpam" <test@donotspam.kpn.com>  Subject: Re: %XPO ??8 Message-ID: <01c0f8af$de81fd00$2c0a17ac@HKTGV0003201421>  / Thank you all, your answers were a great help ! > Thanks to your answers i have now narrowed the problem down toG a routine which tries to get the message belonging to DB-CONDITION from  the UWA in DBMS.H This worked well before we changed to the Alpha, so possibly there is an anomality here. $ I am going to research this further. Regards, Wim.  2 NoSpam <test@donotspam.kpn.com> schreef in artikel/ <01c0f7fe$0055c9f0$2c0a17ac@HKTGV0003201421>... 3 > Can anybody shed some light on this one, please ?  > I > The message "%XPO-W-NOP1VA, P1 space not supported in shareable images" / > keeps popping up in our application logfiles.  > I > I tried to find the message in the available manuals but could not find  it.  > H > The only lead i have is that these messages started occurring after we > migrated to VAX-Alpha. > F > Could calling sys$getmsg or sys$fao lead to forementioned messages ? > ( > BTW we are using ACMS, COBOL and DBMS. >  > Thank you in advance.  >  >  >    ------------------------------  / Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:52:12 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>, Subject: Re: 10 vs 100 Mb ethernet on xp10006 Message-ID: <200106190647.IAA07403@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  B we do have an XP1000 within our cluster under OpenVMS 7.1-2. I did@ install the newest firmware on the XP1000. The console parameterB EWA0_MODE I did not set to AUTONEGOTIATION, I did set it to FASTFDA (be aware, that the switch is set also to manuell FASTFD). May be ? you must set via LANCP the DEVICE parameter once to FASTFD (see D help for more information). We do have a worse experience to set the6 EWA0_MODE to AUTONEGOTIATION, all the messages and theE LANCP SHOW DEVICE/PARAMETER showed me the wrong information. Ethernet C is set to 100Mb, Fullduplex. I tested that with the DTSEND utility. B The result was, that the line utilization was only 2%. Setting theH parameters manuell to FASTFD will growth the line utilization up to 95%.   Best regards Rudolf Wingert    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 06:34:36 -0700& From: Martyn.Pattison@ntl.com (Martyn)! Subject: Re: ACMS logins exceeded = Message-ID: <26697816.0106190534.5aecf402@posting.google.com>    Hi Paul,C 	I posted these thoughts last night from home, but on checking this E morning they don't seem to have made it!. Bottom line is it's about a F year since I worked on an ACMS system so some of the detail could be a5 bit dodgy, but the basics should still be relevant :- * It could be a license problem. Try doing a   $sho lic/full acms_user   C If you're using user based licensing you can work out the number of D users you are licensed for by dividing the Availability units by the= Activity units (I think the license uses 100 units per user). 
 Then do a    $acms/sho user    D and work out if you're hitting the limit (or are close to it). ThereA could be problems with which node in the cluster the licenses are F loaded versus which node in the cluster all the punters are connectingE to so it's worth checking all the permutations, and perhaps modifying ' the licenses to load on the other node.   @ If you are hitting the license limit then there used to be a DCLE procedure supplied with ACMS (might be in ACMS$EXAMPLES or somewhere) B it was called something like ACM$PURGE_USERS.COM and it went roundE killing off any idle ACMS user connections. There's some blurb in the > comment section of the procedure describing how to run it, butB basically you need to run it every 15 minutes or so (I think!). It@ will get rid of any idle connections and allow new users to comeF online. Otherwise if it is a license problem then someone needs to put their hand in their pocket!   
 Best of luck.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:46:57 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> ' Subject: Re: Advanced Server  vs. Samba 8 Message-ID: <rb7uit44knq74cp818vnoe5cua7q78g0pb@4ax.com>  A On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:27:57 -0500, "Scandora, Anthony \(35048\)"  <scandora@cmt.anl.gov> wrote:   M >PATHWORKS V4 was an outstanding file and print server for DOS and Windows 3. L >PATHWORKS V5, on the other hand, was a disgace compared to its predecessor.  ? Four  major factors resulted in the phasing out of VMS from the > University of Abertay Dundee where it had perhaps its greatest@ Scottish university penetration. Arrick Wilkinson was the former director here.  @ 1) Disaster after upgrading to Pathworks 5 to support latest LANE Mangler features and a shared domain with Pathworks on D-Unix (not V4 % there). Cluster nodes crashing daily.   1 2) DEC Sales badmouthing VMS and pushing Alpha/NT   C 3) DEC selling RDB (which was the main SQL teaching tool) to Oracle E and license costs rocketing rom zero (DECCampus) to a five figure sum   ? 4) DEC putting no weight behind the academic administration and 2 library systems software which VMS once dominated.  C Lots of minor factors but these were the main ones The last general = purpose VMS Alphaserver is due to be switched off very soon..     I >We replaced it with Samba V1.9 on VAX and Alpha VMS 6.2, and Samba had a I >different set of problems that I found even more annoying, such as going I >into a CPU-bound loop at high priority that is hard to kill from another @ >process that is getting 0% of the CPU.  Most of us now use FTP.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:15:29 -0400 + From: Clayton Kroh <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU> ! Subject: Bold heading on a report 0 Message-ID: <3B2F6C91.ACF49912@mail.clarion.edu>  # Open VMS Alpha 7.1 with Cobol 2.5     6 Printer - Digital LP29 Line Printer or Hitachi FP2000A  3 I'd like to bold a heading on a report generated by 5 COBOL program.  I have the proper line controls coded 8 in the program (namely WRITE PRINT-LINE BEFORE ADVANCING7 0 LINES) as is shown in the example in the COBOL manual  for bolding.  5 The resultant file has the printed heading line TWICE 4 (as expected). However, the printer does not seem to: recognize the fact that I want that 2nd line to overstrike2 the first line (making it bold), and it prints the3 heading line twice, one right underneath the other. 8 Is there a way I can get the printer to recognize that I want an overstrike?   8 If I knew the escape sequence or hex character to signal9 the printers to do a carriage-return (but not line feed), < I could put that into my cobol program and force the printerA to do what I needed. Do you know what that character(s) might be?   = If the LP29 printer does not support overstrike, we also have : a Hitachi FP2000A Line Printer that we could use if anyone< knows if it supports overstrike and what the correct control characters might be.   Thanks in advance    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:16:22 GMT B From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>: Subject: Carbon dating DEC/VMS users, was: Re: V7.3 backup5 Message-ID: <GNLX6.1522$yp1.39592@www.newsranger.com>   , On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:08:32 GMT, in articleF <MPG.15978f1b376208ab989696@news.bellatlantic.net>, John Santos wrote:= >(BTW, don't say "SPR" to them; they don't know what it means E >anymore.  I still have a large stack of 12-part carbon SPR forms.  I - >wonder what would happen if I sent one in??)  >   J Here in the UK, asking to speak to Field Service, instead of whatever theyM are called these days, is a good way to get a puzzled response from the other  end of the telephone.   L (This is not a CPQ thing, I encountered it while DEC was still DEC, at leastK at my local office, Leeds, when that was a local office. I don't know about  elsewhere in the UK.)   G Someone posted to c.o.v a few years back that you could carbon date VMS L programmers by the way that they wrote code. I am reminded of this everytimeG that I encounter someone who doesn't understand a term that I have been 5 using for years because the term has been replaced...    Simon.   --  ; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP K Worrying idea #101: What if Microsoft goes into the Ada compiler business ?    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 10:34:47 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) > Subject: Re: Carbon dating DEC/VMS users, was: Re: V7.3 backup, Message-ID: <RCnbKg1Ec7p6@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  6 In article <GNLX6.1522$yp1.39592@www.newsranger.com>, G    Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes:   . > On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:08:32 GMT, in articleH > <MPG.15978f1b376208ab989696@news.bellatlantic.net>, John Santos wrote:> >>(BTW, don't say "SPR" to them; they don't know what it meansF >>anymore.  I still have a large stack of 12-part carbon SPR forms.  I. >>wonder what would happen if I sent one in??) >> > L > Here in the UK, asking to speak to Field Service, instead of whatever theyO > are called these days, is a good way to get a puzzled response from the other  > end of the telephone.  > J    Do whatever these Field Service guys are called now still fill out LARS2 reports when they're done working on your system?       Or did LARS get RIFed :-)  J   ps. I am amazed that I can still buy "DECservice" for my systems though.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 18:14:07 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: COMPAQ eBUSINESS * Message-ID: <3b2f7a4f$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  D Today I received a "check IT", a COMPAQ publication here in Austria.  N On the last page, there is an ad for ebusiness (Apache, LDAP Server, SSL, ...); with an AlphaServer DS20e running Tru64 UNIX V5.1 or Linux.  No mention of OpenVMS !!  E The ORACLE article a few pages earlier also only mentions Tru64 UNIX.   ! Will this frustration ever stop ?    -Peter  O PS: For me the most postive sign in this paper was the MP2800 mobile projector.    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:22:47 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: Re: COMPAQ eBUSINESS L Message-ID: <OFCD03F4A2.055F4DC6-ON03256A70.005999D1@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  " "Will this frustration ever stop ?   -Peter  D PS: For me the most postive sign in this paper was the MP2800 mobile projector."      Well, well, well Peter ! ! !  2 Not only the rain forest is being devastated ! :-)  4 I really believe that Compaq wants to HIDE OpenVMS ! I dont know why?   Regards    FC        ; eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) em 19/06/2001 13:14:07   6 Favor responder a eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com        Assunto: COMPAQ eBUSINESS     D Today I received a "check IT", a COMPAQ publication here in Austria.  I On the last page, there is an ad for ebusiness (Apache, LDAP Server, SSL,  ..) ; with an AlphaServer DS20e running Tru64 UNIX V5.1 or Linux.  No mention of OpenVMS !!  E The ORACLE article a few pages earlier also only mentions Tru64 UNIX.   ! Will this frustration ever stop ?    -Peter  D PS: For me the most postive sign in this paper was the MP2800 mobile
 projector.   --< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:58:50 -0600 (MDT) " From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> Subject: Re: COMPAQ eBUSINESS G Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0106191041180.15960-100000@athena.csdco.com>    Peter,  I A couple of weeks ago, I contacted VeriSign about using their Payflow Pro J credit card payment system on VMS and received a form response listing theG platforms they supported and Java.  They would not hazard a guess about  VMS.  C As it turns out Payflow Pro works fine on VMS where that particular # e-business application will reside.   H VeriSign does have a page up about installing SSL certificates on Compaq2 which avoids mentioning VMS by name, but does have   @sys$startup:apache$startup    as one of the instructions.   
 John Nebel  ( On 19 Jun 2001, Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  F > Today I received a "check IT", a COMPAQ publication here in Austria. > P > On the last page, there is an ad for ebusiness (Apache, LDAP Server, SSL, ...)= > with an AlphaServer DS20e running Tru64 UNIX V5.1 or Linux.1 > No mention of OpenVMS !! > G > The ORACLE article a few pages earlier also only mentions Tru64 UNIX.E > # > Will this frustration ever stop ?a >  > -Peter > Q > PS: For me the most postive sign in this paper was the MP2800 mobile projector.e >  > -- e> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888n> > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:23:41 -0300o) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brk Subject: Re: COMPAQ eBUSINESSeL Message-ID: <OFECE34BB6.68F2F3DA-ON03256A70.005F668F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Well,   ? The company I am working for developed an Web EDI using "Cobol"o under OpenVMS.; Nobody before me said to them  OpenVMS has an EDI software.n I said, but it  was too late !   Regardsp   FC        3 John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> em 19/06/2001 13:58:50e  . Favor responder a John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com>             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComH       Assunto: Re: COMPAQ eBUSINESSU       Peter,  I A couple of weeks ago, I contacted VeriSign about using their Payflow ProRJ credit card payment system on VMS and received a form response listing theG platforms they supported and Java.  They would not hazard a guess aboutt VMS.  C As it turns out Payflow Pro works fine on VMS where that particular # e-business application will reside.O  H VeriSign does have a page up about installing SSL certificates on Compaq2 which avoids mentioning VMS by name, but does have   @sys$startup:apache$startupn   as one of the instructions.r  
 John Nebel  ( On 19 Jun 2001, Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  F > Today I received a "check IT", a COMPAQ publication here in Austria. >cK > On the last page, there is an ad for ebusiness (Apache, LDAP Server, SSL,n ..)l= > with an AlphaServer DS20e running Tru64 UNIX V5.1 or Linux.  > No mention of OpenVMS !! >rG > The ORACLE article a few pages earlier also only mentions Tru64 UNIX.f > # > Will this frustration ever stop ?  >  > -Peter >JF > PS: For me the most postive sign in this paper was the MP2800 mobile
 projector. >l > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 > > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" >p   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 12:14:46 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformationi* Message-ID: <3b2f2616$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  s In article <JaBX6.1461$wU6.1981124@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: J >Big Things are about to happen in Houston. Most of these things will haveL >far-reaching ramifications. Shannon Knows Compaq subscribers will of course@ >be apprised of these developments within the next several days.  L Will there also be an explanation why the COMPAQ stock rate is now as low asI in Jan 2001 (after the NASDAQ crash) while others (like IBM or M$) gained & umpteen (50-80) percent since then ;-)   -- ]< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 10:32:23 -05009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)P/ Subject: Re: Compaq: 180 Days of TransformationG3 Message-ID: <R4cKjQXhWf5C@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  s In article <JaBX6.1461$wU6.1981124@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:lK > Big Things are about to happen in Houston. Most of these things will haveaM > far-reaching ramifications. Shannon Knows Compaq subscribers will of courseeA > be apprised of these developments within the next several days.m  H Say, I'd been wondering how much of Compaq HQ might be flooded after theE storm that recently hit Houston. A friend sent me some pretty graphicPJ pictures from down there, showing roads and bridges under water, etc. ManyH were from near the Compaq Center. It's supposed to be the worst flooding they've ever had.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:05:14 -0400t' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>A/ Subject: Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformationa( Message-ID: <9go0ij$9bd$1@pyrite.mv.net>  7 "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in messagea$ news:3b2f2616$1@news.kapsch.co.at...H > In article <JaBX6.1461$wU6.1981124@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C., Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:L > >Big Things are about to happen in Houston. Most of these things will haveG > >far-reaching ramifications. Shannon Knows Compaq subscribers will ofp courseB > >be apprised of these developments within the next several days. >mK > Will there also be an explanation why the COMPAQ stock rate is now as low  asK > in Jan 2001 (after the NASDAQ crash) while others (like IBM or M$) gainedL( > umpteen (50-80) percent since then ;-)  K IIRC, the same thing happened to DEC stock after October, 1987:  instead of0- rebounding, it just continued to fall slowly.t  J Without being at all conversant with the workings of the market, I'd guessI that there might be an analogy to momentum here:  a stock that used to beuG popular tends to continue to be popular (even after the reasons for itsnL popularity may have disappeared) in the absence of a major perturbation, butH when that perturbation occurs the change in value is noted and the stock4 never regains its (inflated) pre-perturbation level.   - bill   >o > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888h> > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:27:59 +0100e2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3. Message-ID: <3B2F1B1F.1CE50742@CCAgroup.co.uk>   Terry Aardema wrote: > D > BTW, I have raised this issue (in the broder context of "... you'dH > better double check all your .COM's for the parse_style problems ...". > I > Finally, if you ever have an installation (VMSINSTAL or PSCI) fail, try B > it again with after a SET PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE=TRADITIONAL (just   G This sounds like something that could bite most of us, sooner or later.sH Has anyone got a DCL fixing tool ? It would be a prime candidate for the2 freeware area and/or the Compaq public patch area.  
 Chris Sharmanl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:08:04 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aul( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.35 Message-ID: <01K4YMW8AVYA001P3B@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>o   Chris Sharman wrote:   >Terry Aardema wrote:f >> pE >> BTW, I have raised this issue (in the broder context of "... you'deI >> better double check all your .COM's for the parse_style problems ...".d >> wJ >> Finally, if you ever have an installation (VMSINSTAL or PSCI) fail, tryC >> it again with after a SET PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE=TRADITIONAL (just - >-H >This sounds like something that could bite most of us, sooner or later.I >Has anyone got a DCL fixing tool ? It would be a prime candidate for thee3 >freeware area and/or the Compaq public patch area.>  K I am sure this will.  If it is changed ... whatever happened to the famous r backward compatiblity?  I I am at 7.2 on my alphas (no sign of 7.3 yet).  The help still says that 3 TRADITIONAL is the default.e  K All my disks are set to ODS2.  I have no desire to encourage my users into t
 s(b)illiness.n  5 Not freeware, not a patch, just part of standard VMS.e   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,A
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiaf   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,C; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:47:59 -0500o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3' Message-ID: <3B2F580F.2DC36E3A@fsi.net>    Chris Sharman wrote: >  > Terry Aardema wrote: > >rF > > BTW, I have raised this issue (in the broder context of "... you'dJ > > better double check all your .COM's for the parse_style problems ...". > >VK > > Finally, if you ever have an installation (VMSINSTAL or PSCI) fail, trynC > > it again with after a SET PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE=TRADITIONAL (justp > I > This sounds like something that could bite most of us, sooner or later.CJ > Has anyone got a DCL fixing tool ? It would be a prime candidate for the4 > freeware area and/or the Compaq public patch area.  F I haven't seen V7.3 yet - is there maybe a system parameter to set the default parsing style?  E If not, you maybe could set it in SYLOGIN.COM. That should cover most - situations other than detached processes, no?    -- e David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/G  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:27:35 +0100a2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3. Message-ID: <3B2F7D77.2B3CEACD@CCAgroup.co.uk>  & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote: >  > Chris Sharman wrote:J > >This sounds like something that could bite most of us, sooner or later.K > >Has anyone got a DCL fixing tool ? It would be a prime candidate for thee5 > >freeware area and/or the Compaq public patch area.  > L > I am sure this will.  If it is changed ... whatever happened to the famous > backward compatiblity? > J > I am at 7.2 on my alphas (no sign of 7.3 yet).  The help still says that > TRADITIONAL is the default.6   Still traditional on 7.3.   L > All my disks are set to ODS2.  I have no desire to encourage my users into > s(b)illiness..  H Well, yes, but a lot of my users are heading billyward whether I like itC or not. Me too, come to that (finally given up waiting for a decentsH browser). If/when I want to use ODS5, I'm going to have a lot of commandE procedures, and maybe other code, to mend. The DCL would certainly be1< nice to automate - it would be hard to do 3gl code, I think.  
 Chris Sharman    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:24:15 -0700h* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>2 Subject: DQ driver (was: link err on $LOAD_DRIVER)4 Message-ID: <qiJX6.4244$Ib.459916@news1.primary.net>  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:ibHX6.1570$fi2.49495@news.cpqcorp.net... D > Actually we do.  On more recent machines, a "real" DQ driver ships	 (and does  > DMAd > when possible).r >yD Reading through the code on DQDRIVER is an eyeopener on the problemsF with getting IDE drives to run at anything better than PC-XT levels ofF performance. I gather the main reason for the excessive interrupt timeH is that the CPU is substituting for DMA, transferring each sector during
 an interrupt?i  G If there is a real DQ driver, does that mean IDE ports will be standard-> equipment on future Alphas?  Maybe even CD-R or CD-RW support?    Jack Peacockm   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2001 15:56:05 GMTB From: bertrand@perceval.cnam.fr (BERTRAND =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=EBl?=) Subject: FreeVMS6 Message-ID: <slrn9iutga.ii9.bertrand@perceval.cnam.fr>   	Good morning,  7 	I have seen an old project named FreeVMS. Its goal wasG: to clone VMS with a Gnu Public Licence. This project seems9 to be dead. So I research anyone that has time to restarte
 this project.n  	 	Regards,a   	JKB  B PS: I have some troubles with my news server, so you probably find another post. Sorry...   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2001 16:32:07 GMT$ From: Chris Petersen <havoc@apk.net>& Subject: FS/FT: AlphaStation 600 5/266( Message-ID: <9gnuq7$554$5@plonk.apk.net>  @ I've got the following AlphaStation 600 5/266 for sale or trade:  * AlphaStation 600 5/266 (Model # PB620-A9)  - 266MHz 21164 Alpha k0 - 256MB RAM (Standard 72-pin True Parity SIMMS) 3 - Takes (3) 3.5" HH Internal Drives, (1) Floppy, & i*   (2) 5.25" HH Internal or External Drive . - DEC RZ-28VW 2 GB Fast/Wide SCSI-2 Hard Disk . - DEC RZ-29VW 4 GB Fast/Wide SCSI-2 Hard Disk   - DEC RRD45 6x SCSI CDROM Drive ; - 2-channel Fast/Wide SCSI & 10Base Combo Ethernet Adapter "  - Keyboard, mouse, power cables   
 Choice of:  6 - High-end PowerStorm 4D40T 3D PCI Framebuffer (Tru64)      16mb Video memory  ,      1280x1024 resolution, 24-bit TrueColor &      double-buffered, 24-bit Z-buffer .      hardware accelarated 3D shading & texture      mappingD - Tru64 UNIX 5.0 preloaded (hobbyist or commercial license required)   *or*  5 - High-end ZLXp-L1 or L2 3D PCI Framebuffer (OpenVMS)oK - Tru64 UNIX 4.0F or OpenVMS 7.2 preloaded (hobbyist or comm. license req.)1   Asking $1000 OBO + shipping.    I Check http://junior.apk.net/~havoc/decgear.html for other Alphas for saleaH and a list of trades I'm interested in.  In particular at the moment I'mG looking for Sun Ultra 10/30/60s, Sun Ultra RAM, and Macintosh G3-series1 machines (for running OSX).o   Thanks!p   Chrisc   --  $ UCL Workstations, Servers & Networks3 A member of the auctions.workstations.org communityp Email: ucl@locallink.netJ Auctions: http://auctions.workstations.org/com/plsql/usersearch?id=ucl_wsn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 02:12:55 -0400r2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)0 Subject: Re: How to make $SET HOST work, et. al.L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1906010212560001@user-2iveb3m.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEHNCMAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:E    J > > >Am currently logged in as SYSTEM.  When I tried adding an account forD > > >TOM/priv=all it created the record, but said it couldn't access > > the rights+ > > >dataabase.  What do I need to do here?S > > >S > > Errr....  RTFM?l >  > What is RTFM?n   Read The Friendly Manual...o  J > > Okay, several things, DECNet is not TCPIP, they coexist and DECNet can& > > use IP but that's another chapter. > >vI > > If you've installed DECnet and I'll assume DECnet V, on both machinestG > > you also need to run decnet$register. This sets up the known DECnete > > node names.- > M > I tried running this script, and got stuck on the first question, NamespaceW > name.a2 > The help documentation was written by a &^%$*()(  G HELP is probably too terse for a new DECnet admin.  You should at least-H scan through the introductory manuals in the set.  For DECnet plus, look> at "Introduction and User's Guide" and "Installation and Basic Configuration"..    ? You'll want to run NET$CONFIGURE first, if you haven't already:e   @sys$manager:net$configure  K Do a "full configuration".  It will ask you about namespaces at some point.e  J In a small network, you probably want to answer namespace with "LOCAL", orC with "LOCAL,DOMAIN".  The local namespace is analogous to old, purekH DECnet. The Domain namespace is useful for DECnet-over-tcpip, and reliesG on the DNS mechanism (or the local host database) in TCP/IP.  IIRC, youp= can't use Domain alone.  I suggest you start with just LOCAL.s  D If you do want to add decnet-over-tcpip, you have to enable the PWIP9 driver in the tcpip configuration.  That's a bit obscure.v  J When you ask for the LOCAL namespace, net$configure will register the nodeH you are running on.  For other nodes, you'll need to run DECNET$REGISTERH and add them by hand.  Once you register everything on one node, you canA EXPORT all the info to a text file, and IMPORT it on other nodes.     < > > This "should" resolve the not currently available issue. > > J > > Nope, entering e should exit. I've not got 7.3, but I am running TCPIP1 > > 5.1. The config stuff has worked okay for me.0 > L > Well I tried it again, and it does indeed hang on the exit, which BTW they > indicate as [E}e > when they really meant E > >nA > > For the last point, if you're setting up this system with new G > > authorization files you need to check you're setting up the variouse. > > uaf logicals (see the sylogicals template) > > J > > Either there's no logical or possibly there is no rightslist database,G > > in which case you'll use authorize to create one. Run authorize and=. > > type help at the prompt. See create/right. > > > VMS seems to require that you know a lot of unecessary crap.  I Now hold on!  You're trying to do a fairly complex set of configurations,nG you seem to be very new, and you aren't reading the manuals much.  ThismH stuff is very well documented.  Don't blame the OS for things you didn'tH know at birth!  None of the rest of us knew this stuff either, we had to	 learn it.a   > Adding a user E > , a node to a cluster and a number of other things are commonplace,  > automatable and should beMI > automated.  There is no reason to make this so difficult.  W2k makes itS > easy, even Tru64  I Piffle!  Most of the things you are trying, aren't even possible in W2K! oI (Actually, I don't know W2K.  I'm just repeating the group's dogma... :-)a  N > What is the problem here?  Make it unecessarily difficult so nobody will use
 > the system?-  H YOU are making it harder than it should be.  A VMS user who's making theH transition to system administration MUST take an hour or two to scan theI "System Manager's Manual".  It walks you through most of this stuff.  ForvC more details, it will sometimes refer you to the "System Management I Utilities Reference Manual", for example for the details on AUTHORIZE (togH add new users).  You really can't skip these unless you want to pull all3 your hair out.  Please, please, please take a look.l  I For clustering, you'll have to go to the "OpenVMS Cluster Systems" manuallI to get all the details.  And DECnet and TCPIP have their own manual sets;s) each set has 1 or 2 introductory manuals.   N > Sorry to rave, I do appreciate the help but it does get a bit frustrating at	 > times, m  D Don't Panic!  You seem to be coming along just fine.  Most of us hadI someone more experienced around to help us, but the newsgroup isn't a badi substitute.g   -- d Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 00:17:40 -0700' From: piet@timmers-it.nl (Piet Timmers)e9 Subject: How to see who causes execessive login failures. = Message-ID: <be44b12d.0106182317.6cea98a6@posting.google.com>1  ( I see the following at our OpenVMS node:   From ANA/AUDIT/FULL:  6                        Security Audit Analysis UtilityP --------------------------------------------------------------------------------B Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on KLYU56,
 system id: 51 : Auditable event:          Local interactive login failure 1 Event time:               19-JUN-2001 09:01:36.07 * PID:                      2060624F        * Process name:             _LTA6154:       * Username:                 <login>         + Process owner:            [SYSTEM]         r- Terminal name:            _LTA6154, _LTA6154: F Image name:               DSA100:[SYS2.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]LOGINOUT.EXEB Status:                   %LOGIN-F-CMDINPUT, error reading command inputs   Same record from accounting:  
 LOGIN FAILURE 
 -------------u@ Username:          <login>           UIC:               [SYSTEM]C Account:           <login>           Finish time:       19-JUN-2001  09:01:36.07QC Process ID:        2060624F          Start time:        19-JUN-2001r 09:01:35.91>C Owner ID:                            Elapsed time:                0g 00:00:00.16cC Terminal name:     LTA6154           Processor time:              0o 00:00:00.02n; Remote node addr:                    Priority:          4   @ Remote node name:                    Privilege <31-00>: 0010C000@ Remote ID:                           Privilege <63-32>: 00000000 Remote full name:2@ Queue entry:                         Final status code: 00D380642 Queue name:                                       : Job name:                                                 A Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CMDINPUT, error reading command input-  B Page faults:               60        Direct IO:                  2B Page fault reads:           2        Buffered IO:               26B Peak working set:        1120        Volumes mounted:            0B Peak page file:        166560        Images executed:            1  < And we get this records at least two to three times a minut.B Does anyone know how to locate the source. I have tried to use theC command "MC LATCP SHOW PORT" in a command file but this gives me no  more information.o  
 Greetings,   Piet Timmers piet@timmers-it.nl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:24:11 +0200i2 From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcormail.de>= Subject: Re: How to see who causes execessive login failures.e+ Message-ID: <3B2EFE1B.9080704@arcormail.de>o  9 This seems to be a terminal with something lying onto them9 return key... You should have now some intrusion records, ( don't you? There you can see the source.   Thomas   Piet Timmers wrote:   * > I see the following at our OpenVMS node: >  > From ANA/AUDIT/FULL: > 8 >                        Security Audit Analysis UtilityR > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------D > Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on KLYU56, > system id: 51c< > Auditable event:          Local interactive login failure 3 > Event time:               19-JUN-2001 09:01:36.07-, > PID:                      2060624F        , > Process name:             _LTA6154:       , > Username:                 <login>         - > Process owner:            [SYSTEM]         6/ > Terminal name:            _LTA6154, _LTA6154:tH > Image name:               DSA100:[SYS2.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]LOGINOUT.EXED > Status:                   %LOGIN-F-CMDINPUT, error reading command > input  >  > Same record from accounting: >  > LOGIN FAILUREb > -------------'B > Username:          <login>           UIC:               [SYSTEM]E > Account:           <login>           Finish time:       19-JUN-2001n
 > 09:01:36.07 E > Process ID:        2060624F          Start time:        19-JUN-2001t
 > 09:01:35.91PE > Owner ID:                            Elapsed time:                0I
 > 00:00:00.16eE > Terminal name:     LTA6154           Processor time:              0s
 > 00:00:00.02n= > Remote node addr:                    Priority:          4  aB > Remote node name:                    Privilege <31-00>: 0010C000B > Remote ID:                           Privilege <63-32>: 00000000 > Remote full name:dB > Queue entry:                         Final status code: 00D380644 > Queue name:                                       < > Job name:                                                 C > Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CMDINPUT, error reading command input  > D > Page faults:               60        Direct IO:                  2D > Page fault reads:           2        Buffered IO:               26D > Peak working set:        1120        Volumes mounted:            0D > Peak page file:        166560        Images executed:            1 > > > And we get this records at least two to three times a minut.D > Does anyone know how to locate the source. I have tried to use theE > command "MC LATCP SHOW PORT" in a command file but this gives me no  > more information.u >  > Greetings, >  > Piet Timmers > piet@timmers-it.nl     -- a9 Thomas H. Pauli, Hammersteinstr.19, 14199 Berlin, Germany$   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:00:42 -0700P% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>e= Subject: Re: How to see who causes execessive login failures.n) Message-ID: <3B2F06AA.A8D82F2F@rdrop.com>s   Piet Timmers wrote:i > > > And we get this records at least two to three times a minut.D > Does anyone know how to locate the source. I have tried to use theE > command "MC LATCP SHOW PORT" in a command file but this gives me no  > more information.-  = We have some DCL that runs in batch every 15 minutes or so to8< watch for breakins & send an email (either mailbox or pager,> depending on severity).  If anyone's interested, I may be able? to talk the author into letting me release it here, or at leastu> discuss the general concepts involved (shouldn't be tough, but I haven't looked at it).   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:29:01 GMT-1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>w= Subject: Re: How to see who causes execessive login failures. 6 Message-ID: <hAHX6.18$DJ4.3824@nostril.pacific.net.au>  ( Piet Timmers <piet@timmers-it.nl> wrote:* > I see the following at our OpenVMS node:   > From ANA/AUDIT/FULL:  8 >                        Security Audit Analysis UtilityR > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------D > Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on KLYU56, > system id: 51 < > Auditable event:          Local interactive login failure 3 > Event time:               19-JUN-2001 09:01:36.07h, > PID:                      2060624F        , > Process name:             _LTA6154:       , > Username:                 <login>         - > Process owner:            [SYSTEM]          / > Terminal name:            _LTA6154, _LTA6154:nH > Image name:               DSA100:[SYS2.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]LOGINOUT.EXED > Status:                   %LOGIN-F-CMDINPUT, error reading command > input    > Same record from accounting:   > LOGIN FAILURE  > ------------- B > Username:          <login>           UIC:               [SYSTEM]E > Account:           <login>           Finish time:       19-JUN-2001 
 > 09:01:36.07oE > Process ID:        2060624F          Start time:        19-JUN-2001s
 > 09:01:35.91 E > Owner ID:                            Elapsed time:                0J
 > 00:00:00.16tE > Terminal name:     LTA6154           Processor time:              0l
 > 00:00:00.02 = > Remote node addr:                    Priority:          4  rB > Remote node name:                    Privilege <31-00>: 0010C000B > Remote ID:                           Privilege <63-32>: 00000000 > Remote full name: B > Queue entry:                         Final status code: 00D380644 > Queue name:                                       < > Job name:                                                 C > Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CMDINPUT, error reading command inputn  D > Page faults:               60        Direct IO:                  2D > Page fault reads:           2        Buffered IO:               26D > Peak working set:        1120        Volumes mounted:            0D > Peak page file:        166560        Images executed:            1  > > And we get this records at least two to three times a minut.D > Does anyone know how to locate the source. I have tried to use theE > command "MC LATCP SHOW PORT" in a command file but this gives me no  > more information.c  F 	It could be a noisy line. Do a $MCR LATCP SHOW PORT LTAxxxx ( I guess= 	this increments every time ) and try to find out what device C 	is causing the spurious logins. You have to "catch" the right porthA 	in real time ( $SHOW USERS/FULL, look for <login> process(es) ).   , 	Check loose cables, faulty keyboard, etc...: 	On permanent devices ( with LTA ports assigned to them ),> 	setting the terminal to /NOTYPEAHED ( or something similar, I; 	haven't done this for ages ) will also "cure" the problem.s  ' 		Hope this helps...		Cheers,     Csaba8  I    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- E    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehogiE    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.cI    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:H   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 05:36:26 -0700' From: piet@timmers-it.nl (Piet Timmers)f= Subject: Re: How to see who causes execessive login failures.y= Message-ID: <be44b12d.0106190436.781d2170@posting.google.com>s  e "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcormail.de> wrote in message news:<3B2EFE1B.9080704@arcormail.de>...t; > This seems to be a terminal with something lying onto thea; > return key... You should have now some intrusion records,i* > don't you? There you can see the source.  < That is one of the problems, there are no intrusion records.   >  > Thomas >X   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 08:17:21 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r4 Subject: Re: I/O completion ASTs firing prematurely?3 Message-ID: <goBXTFQZSL8e@eisner.encompasserve.org>C  \ In article <3B2E46E8.DF9C5E71@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:I >> The device driver itself doesn't generally fire this AST.  It puts thenG >> IOSB contents into R0,R1 and calls a kernel routine to tell VMS that G >> it's done with the I/O request.  The VMS kernel then passes back the J >> IOSB content and requests the AST using code which is common to all I/O >> postprocessing. > P > *Look* like that chap's problem with AST caleld before IOSB is filled would be > caused by something else.e > P > HOWEVER, considering that TCPIP Services is really some Unix software that wasP > ported to VMS and that the QIO interface lacks stuff that would be very usefulN > (such as IO$M_TIMEOUT), is it possible that the port was done is such as way= > that the porocess you described above is done differently ?e  E It is certainly possible.  There's nothing to prevent the driver from E doing something "special".  Since I'm fairly sure there's both a port1> and class driver involved the writer could certainly have been "inspired."-  G However, there are enough UCX users out there that I think someone else-D would have tried the $QIO interface and run into the problem by now,F even if there's a fixup for the problem when you wander in through the socket library.S  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group_E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingV   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2001 15:34:47 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)m4 Subject: Re: I/O completion ASTs firing prematurely?: Message-ID: <9gnren$ros$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  3 In message <goBXTFQZSL8e@eisner.encompasserve.org>,t2    koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:H >However, there are enough UCX users out there that I think someone elseE >would have tried the $QIO interface and run into the problem by now, G >even if there's a fixup for the problem when you wander in through ther >socket library.  H Well, the OSU server had a problems when running under previous versionsJ of UCX, I believe including 4.2.  From time to time, a client thread wouldG hang because a queued I/O to the BG device would apparently get 'lost'.)J The observed behaviour was consistent with Brian's hypothesis that the ASTH was being delivered without filling in the IOSB (the AST merely performsK a condition signal which would be treated as spurious by the waiting threado if the IOSB was still zero).      < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet:kL 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  + Disclaimer: Dogs can't tell it's not bacon.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:15:42 -0300t) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brd! Subject: Re: Intel, Stratus (...)'L Message-ID: <OF602BD1B3.834B8249-ON03256A70.00480C3B@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  E Like the Amiga people - orphans - I believe we are feeling the same !TF I think Compaq will not have breath enought to compete in the High End Servers,I because it is not their native culture ? Being a Texan comapny I imaginednA the massive marketing to sell OpenVMS for oil companies, but ....   I If Compaq minds are interested to sell iPaqs I dont have nothing against. 4 But why not create a "solution" based on OpenVMS andI a mix of products to create a real, real WAP (or Wireless) Server for theh use of iPaqs ?  E Should be a ES40, with OpenVMS, Cache, RoboMon, Compaq EDI, etc ! ! !h  J Compaq have all the products in their drawers ? Do anyone is interested toC integrate them ??? To create a plug-play product based in OpenVMS ?    And  Linux:   K a) In an ad Compaq was planning to sell Proliants with Red Hat a few months  ago.- b) Now Compaq is selling Proliants with SuSE. G c) Where is the SCO (Caldera) agreement with Compaq. I know they portednD TruCluster for SCO. Caldera should be the official and natural Linux partnerf
 of Compaq.  I Ken Olsen, please, return from retirement and take the Alpha line again !e     Fabio C.        < John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> em 18/06/2001 21:12:03  7 Favor responder a John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>c             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu      1 Assunto: Intel, Stratus ally against Unix Serversd    A Before I go home for the evening, I think I'll start something...i  < This Microsoft ... ::cough cough:: I mean Cnet/Zdnet articleN http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5092867,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01K  claims that Stratus, the makers of big huge expensive never crash servers,mE are ditching HP PA-RISC gear for Wintel crap. This quote says it all:iH "Stratus has traditionally used Hewlett-Packard's PA-RISC chips, but theE company is banking on a new line of servers that uses Intel chips andtK Windows. It argues that the less-expensive Intel and Microsoft technologiesnK are now good enough to be used in such crash-resistant servers, making themgH more affordable and letting Stratus sell to a larger base of customers."  J Thank goodness - I hadn't read any fiction yet today. The last part is theD knife in the heart: "Compaq Computer invested in Stratus in January.K Stratus has embarked on a plan to let other companies, such as NEC, use itso  technology in their own servers"   <RANT>K Hi, this is Compaq Computer Corportation. We bought a line of high quality, @ redundant, secure, crash resistant cluser-ready, multi-threaded,D multi-processor, hardware and software (software I might add that isK largely the basis for Windows NT) a few years back. I've got an idea! Let's K line Microsoft and Intel's pockets. If they didn't want to sell DEC's gear, I if they were going to buy DEC and be ashamed of it - they should have letvG it die. What did they get out of the deal? I know there is a tremendousgI amount of money to be had from that acquisition - but have they even seen:K an ROI yet? Do the former DEC people who now work for big Q find themselves-K banging their head against the wall over and over because Compaq thinks themJ only way they can make any money is to sell the stupid iPaq? They've bowedI out of the PC price wars, Sun is on the run, Oracle needs a strong friend C against IBM right now, and all they seem to care about is the iPaq.    "Stupid Puppet"  </RANT>    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:13:09 GMTe1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au> 5 Subject: Re: Intel, Stratus ally against Unix Servers 6 Message-ID: <plHX6.16$DJ4.3910@nostril.pacific.net.au>  , John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> wrote:C > Before I go home for the evening, I think I'll start something...-  > This Microsoft ... ::cough cough:: I mean Cnet/Zdnet article http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5092867,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01 claims that Stratus, the makers of big huge expensive never crash servers, are ditching HP PA-RISC gear for Wintel crap. This quote says it all: "Stratus has traditionally used Hewlett-Packard's PA-RISC chips, but the company is banking on a new line of servers that uses Intel chips and Windows. It argues that the less-expensive Intel and Microsoft technologies are nP ow good enough to be used in such crash-resistant servers, making them more affordable and letting Stratus sell to a larger base of customers."   
 ...snip...  C 	The other day we had a few HP salesmen staging some ( slide ) demo B 	of their new stuff in my workplace. They said that the HP PA-RISCB 	chip line will be discontinued ( at least this is what I made outC 	of it ) and they betting everything on Intel chips, namely ItaniumuB 	first, then the follow-ons. ( They said Itanium will ship any day 	NOW :-)  E 	The HP PA-RISC line will last for a few years, they no longer design1D 	new ones, only make the ones already designed a few years back now.  B 	If you ask me, I wouldn't sleep well in their place, knowing they@ 	have to rely on Intel. I think with this globalisation, and itsC 	bringing a lack of quality choice ( in this case microchips ), theg? 	computer industry will suffer, if not already. Software trends- 	also seem to follow this line.0  > 	Let's hope the Alpha line will last for long...and prosper...   						Cheers,		Csaba  I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------mE    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehog E    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.TI    ----------------------------------------------------------------------h;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:44:22 +0200-; From: "Thomas Egenberger" <thomas.egenberger@technidata.de>-$ Subject: LAT-problem SYSTEM-F-HANGUP. Message-ID: <9gnhfo$846$1@kilbeggan.xlink.net>   Hi,cL we have an application connected to several Dec Terminal Server 300 via LAT.L After porting the application from Fortran VAX-VMS 5.5-2 (MicroVax 3100)  toL Fortran Alpha-OpenVMS 7.21 (DS10) we have sporadic Hangup-Problems from someD (not all, and not always the same) Terminalserver so that every portH connected to these Servers receives a SS$_HANGUP in the IOSB of an async QIO - Read at the same time.  H There was a change made to the Network. We removed the star-couplers and> bridges and replaced them with Fast Ethernet workgroup switch.   Any Ideas ?b   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:26:14 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>i( Subject: Re: LAT-problem SYSTEM-F-HANGUP+ Message-ID: <3B2F52F6.858DCC17@hsc.vcu.edu>6  N is your cpu so fast now that it's overrunning the qio wait for waiting for the data?   O eveyr time we upgraded, i had to tweak the wait for the icu data to come back..A   Jim    Thomas Egenberger wrote:   > Hi,sN > we have an application connected to several Dec Terminal Server 300 via LAT.N > After porting the application from Fortran VAX-VMS 5.5-2 (MicroVax 3100)  toN > Fortran Alpha-OpenVMS 7.21 (DS10) we have sporadic Hangup-Problems from someF > (not all, and not always the same) Terminalserver so that every portJ > connected to these Servers receives a SS$_HANGUP in the IOSB of an async > QIO - Read at the same time. > J > There was a change made to the Network. We removed the star-couplers and@ > bridges and replaced them with Fast Ethernet workgroup switch. > 
 > Any Ideas ?s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:21:37 +0200 = From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@contrastmediagroep.nl> ( Subject: Re: LAT-problem SYSTEM-F-HANGUP5 Message-ID: <3B2F5FF1.56859AA7@contrastmediagroep.nl>    Thomas Egenberger wrote:  N > we have an application connected to several Dec Terminal Server 300 via LAT.N > After porting the application from Fortran VAX-VMS 5.5-2 (MicroVax 3100)  toN > Fortran Alpha-OpenVMS 7.21 (DS10) we have sporadic Hangup-Problems from someF > (not all, and not always the same) Terminalserver so that every portJ > connected to these Servers receives a SS$_HANGUP in the IOSB of an async > QIO - Read at the same time.  G Anything in the counters (on server 'show count' and on alpha 'mc latcpF sho count')?  C If i remember correctly, the IOSB also has some LAT specific reasonh1 field. The SS$_HANGUP is a somewhat generic code.e   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:02:02 -0400i5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>a% Subject: Re: link err on $LOAD_DRIVERt3 Message-ID: <ibHX6.1570$fi2.49495@news.cpqcorp.net>x  L Actually we do.  On more recent machines, a "real" DQ driver ships (and does DMAh when possible).t    ! Jack Peacock wrote in message ...iC >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in'3 >message news:009FDAF1.10BF9440@SendSpamHere.ORG...  >>I >> Looks like the ENABLE-IDE.COM file is not linking it against the image. >> SYS$SHARE:IOGEN$SHARE.EXE >> >> Try >>, >> $ LINK/SYSEXE ENABLE-IDE,SYS$INPUT/OPTION" >> SYS$SHARE:IOGEN$SHARE.EXE/SHARE >> ^Zt >>I >That fixed it.  Note to the Freeware maintainer to add a small change to:F >[DQDRIVER].  It would also be nice to include the isacfg setup in the >notes (or is that necessary?).- >-D >It's working but ouch, 96% CPU time on interrupts (Alphastation 400C >4/233) and incredibly slow.  I can see why VMS doesn't support IDEm >disks.  >   Jack Peacock >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:44:18 GMTN2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: link err on $LOAD_DRIVER 3 Message-ID: <mrKX6.1582$fi2.49673@news.cpqcorp.net>n  k In article <ibHX6.1570$fi2.49495@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: M :Actually we do.  On more recent machines, a "real" DQ driver ships (and doess :DMA when possible).  M   By a complete fluke, the OpenVMS Freeware maintainer (eg: me) actually saw :I   this report.  I have no idea how many other similar requests have gone  I   unseen, unreported and uncorrected, as I have time to read only a very sJ   small fraction of the total message traffic in the newsgroups.  In otherK   words, please send new submissions and details of updates and/or changes  6   to the openvms.freeware@compaq.com address.  Thanks!  " :Jack Peacock wrote in message ... ..: :>Note to the Freeware maintainer to add a small change toG :>[DQDRIVER].  It would also be nice to include the isacfg setup in the   :>notes (or is that necessary?). ..  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 08:22:38 -0700% From: jean@staffing.com (Jean Norton)2Y Subject: Re: Looking for Experienced ABS/MDMS Administrators to give a session at CETS 20 = Message-ID: <86377d2d.0106190722.4711bbf2@posting.google.com>i  C I would highly recommend you submitting that session idea.  I don'tt@ know if anyone else has submitted a similar session, but I wouldD encourange you to give it a try.  Your conference fee is waived as a speaker.  F I personally am pulling my hair out trying to get ABS_OMT to work.  ItF appears to me that Digital Engineering in India doesn't bother testing( their products (No OMT_BACKUP_ENV, etc.)   Jean Norton  jean@staffing.comp   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 11:36:32 -05009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)l( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing3 Message-ID: <W7CwpufH2Mjm@eisner.encompasserve.org>,  \ In article <3B2652CB.AA73BAFF@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Jordan Henderson wrote:mH >> >Bob Palmer supposedly admits in private that downplaying VMS was his& >> >biggest single mistake at Digital. > N > Accepting the job as head of Digital was his biggest mistake. If the guy wasL > stupid enough to start a program to kill VMS without knowing that it wouldG > milk Digital from its revenus, he should not have been given the job.E > L > And if he was given the job of killing VMS (and in fact killing Digital soO > that it could be bought by another party), then Palmer could have refused theeP > job on principle. The fact that he didn't means that he willingly participated > in DEC's planned demise. > H > Remember, the idiot admitted on CNN on the day the Compaq takeover wasO > announced that he had been working for 3 years with Pfeiffer to shape Digital P > in a way that Compaq wanted it. (eg: shedding all the stuff that Compaq wasn't > interested in).   J Any one who knew his background should have known what he would do. He ranD Mostek into the ground before he came to DEC. And now he's at AMD...  7 Palmer really should be the next inmate in Terre Haute.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:51:51 GMTm= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) ( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing0 Message-ID: <009FDC3E.B0F99DDD@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <W7CwpufH2Mjm@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes:n] >In article <3B2652CB.AA73BAFF@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  >> Jordan Henderson wrote:I >>> >Bob Palmer supposedly admits in private that downplaying VMS was hiso' >>> >biggest single mistake at Digital.* >>  O >> Accepting the job as head of Digital was his biggest mistake. If the guy wasoM >> stupid enough to start a program to kill VMS without knowing that it wouldnH >> milk Digital from its revenus, he should not have been given the job. >> aM >> And if he was given the job of killing VMS (and in fact killing Digital sowP >> that it could be bought by another party), then Palmer could have refused theQ >> job on principle. The fact that he didn't means that he willingly participatedn >> in DEC's planned demise.  >> aI >> Remember, the idiot admitted on CNN on the day the Compaq takeover wascP >> announced that he had been working for 3 years with Pfeiffer to shape DigitalQ >> in a way that Compaq wanted it. (eg: shedding all the stuff that Compaq wasn'to >> interested in). >hK >Any one who knew his background should have known what he would do. He ranSE >Mostek into the ground before he came to DEC. And now he's at AMD...- > 8 >Palmer really should be the next inmate in Terre Haute. >o  # Let's get Gates there first please.e     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMr            -O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:08:11 -0600r From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>o# Subject: Re: modern day x-terminals ' Message-ID: <3B2F6ADB.1EBB7433@srv.net>s   David Mathog wrote:r > p > In article <M7cyShwo3vNd@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.563109.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell) writes: > >hN > >Does anybody know of a currently supported x-terminal?  Basically somethingQ > >like the vxt 2000+, but with current hardware and software.  I have a xvt, but N > >I don't really use it.  It's slow and doesn't have that much memory.  Also,O > >most of my network is 100 megabit, but of course the ancient vxt is only 10.e > >/ > >t > > R > >Before anybody mentions emulation on PCs, I do *not* want to use a PC for this.O > >I would prefer a dedicated x-terminal, if such are still being manufactured.e > 1 > Well, even though you said not to mention it...  >  > 1.  Take a PCy! > 2.  Install Linux or BSD on it.aF > 3.  Configure it to run nothing but X11, and to do that at start up. > K > and you have a machine that's for all intents and purposes a dedicated X-3M > terminal.  I think you could even save this configuration onto a CDROM, and A > boot from that.  So that nobody could monkey with the settings.t   Something like these  ) 	http://www.thinknic.com/about/index.html   C They use a CDROM for the OS loading, flash rom for saving settings,c0 and have no floppy/hard disk to load virus into.E Boots up in Linux, and I've heard (but not done myself) that it bootsi! up ready to act as an X terminal.a    $320 with monitor, $200 without.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:12:39 +0100s% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>g2 Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9.1 - faster but no helpers8 Message-ID: <s54uit01leab3uqubj86t06h33k7l3vinq@4ax.com>  A On 18 Jun 2001 15:17:59 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David  Mathog) wrote:  q >In article <009FDA9A.4B86AF85@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:i& >>When will this thing actually run?   >aI >There's a significant probability that the answer is "Never".  Hence theiG >incredible foolhardiness of Compaq depending upon this project to everu >deliver a browser for VMS.   A I've run every release for the last year or so and while it isn'taF progressing as fast as I would like it is still more or less on targetC for a 1.0 within the next 6 months. Features are pretty much frozenkF now and it's mainly bug fixes all the way. Status might even change to@ beta quality at 0.9.2 with 1.0 perhaps following as early as the8 planned 0.93 release and no later (hopefully) than 0.9.5   See # http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.htmls  C Also AOL and Microsoft have just broken off talks and I notice thatiD AOL/TimeWarner sites are starting to sprout the Netscape logo again.A Netscape 6.1 PR 1 has just appeared for download based on Mozillat/ 0.9.1. Netscape 6.0 was released way too early.h  I >Tru64 has a native version of Navigator 4.7, and the same binary runs oncL >Linux/Alpha once a "Tru64 compatibility library" has been added.  I suspectH >that it would be easier to get that Tru64 binary running on VMS than itJ >would be to finish Mozilla.  And of course, once that's running, there isF >the possibility of other binaries running on all three systems.  But I >spending money on something like that would require a long term strategysE >and some semblance of an understanding of the needs of the customer,d4 >neither of which seem to be within Compaq's grasp.   D I believe that Compaq's VMS team has a long term strategy which theyE can't fully articulate at the moment. I just hope they can execute ithC through to completion. It would be nice if VMS could execute Tru-64SE binaries and I've asked for this if possible but I have no idea if iteE will be done. Unlike some other things I have suggested I haven't hadiD the response "It just won't happen" but you can't read too much into that.e  	 >Regards,r >c
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I am trying toB get in touch with Arrick again to refresh the details but he is no# longer active in computing circles.      -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:57:45 -0400S2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>! Subject: Re: OpenVMS ApplicationsS3 Message-ID: <soMX6.1593$fi2.49660@news.cpqcorp.net>e   Here are some more for you.n     Software Partners InternationalQ# supported interfaces, GK, MRU, DCSCc SLM, DEVLIST, SYSMOUNT, CMDQBUSt   http://www.softwarepartners.comI    $ Experis Technology Group  SI partner   www.experis.comn  6 Digital Network Products group - (networking products)   www.dnpg.com  - Cincom Systems (Supra database, maybe others)-  8 http://www.cincom.com/en/products/about.asp?ProductID=18   GrayMatter Softwared   http://www.graysoft.com/   Attachmate Corporation   http://www.attachmate.com6   Barco, Inc.@   http://www.barco.com   BGSe   http://www.bgs.com   Cayenne Software, Inc.   http://www.cool.sterling.com  B Environmental Systems Research Institute, Inc. (ESRI) a GIS system   http://www.esri.comd   Electrical Design DDS-C   + http://www.electrical-design.com/ddsc-e.htma  & eNVy Systems data warehouse for Oracle  . http://www.envysys.com/html/envywarehouse.html   Promis Systems Corp.  ( http://www.promis.com/index_by_entis.htm  / Lahey Computer Systems, Inc. - Fortran compilero   http://www.lahey.com  
 SAS Instituten   http://www.sas.com  L Computer Associates formerly Platinum Software formerly Softool CCC, CCC/Pro9 (also Ingres, ManMan, all the old Polycenter stuff, etc.)t   http://www.cai.com/>  ! The Source Recovery Company, Inc.d   http://www.source-recovery.com    EnvisionIt Software - VisualFlow  6 http://envisionitsoft.com/news/press_releases/pr25.htm   Sterling Commerce-  K http://www.cvg.stercomm.com/solutions/products/ebi/connect/dir_openvms.htmli  0 COMTEK - SNMP System Management Subagent for VMS  # http://www.nmserver.com/sysmgr.html-   Mathworks - MATLAB  6 http://www.mathworks.com/products/matrix/openvms.shtml   ais - XESS Spreadsheet  2 http://xess.vnet.net/Xess/xess5_product_sheet.html   SPSS  & http://www2.spss.com/spss10/unix1.html   Visual Numerics PV-Wave2   http://www.vni.com/tech/pvw/  % Software Intelligence - Memory Masters  & http://www.si.com.au/MemoryMaster.html  ? Generix, Ltd. formerly Solutions IQ - CONNX odbc driver for VMSd   http://www.connx-net.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:48:52 -0400I+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>r; Subject: RE: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and LinuxuR Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF49A297D@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF,g  G Like many other parts of the globe, there are a number of other OpenVMS G Ambassadors across  Canada - however, not all have the same interest ina online discussions.:  K Of course, they also deal with other opportunities as they arise, but I canRK assure you they are also active OpenVMS promoters in their area's as well. e   :-)   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanti Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Serviceso Voice: 613-592-4660o Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca] Sent: June 18, 2001 2:30 PMa To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt; Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linuxt     "Main, Kerry" wrote:D > Ask your DBA's how they would implement Oracle OPS in a multi-siteL > environment ie. all systems requires active-active access to the same dataB > drives. You can shutdown servers at either site transparently to8 > applications without any mid-tier application changes.  L Fine and dandy. But Kerry, how many of you are there in Canada totally ? AreK you *THE* VMS saleperson for Compaq in Canada ? TO me, it seems like CompaqeH has "elected" a token person from each geography to be the VMS champion, gaveC him/her the name of "VMS ambassador" and hopes that that person cant3 singlehandledly prevent further VMS market erosion.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:29:14 +0100i% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>n; Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linuxt8 Message-ID: <ch2uit84ugld92p9heqqpmsfdq76m6j9ql@4ax.com>  1 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:52:26 -0400, "Main, Kerry"S <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:   >Dirk, > I >>>> Why should we use VMS with a Oracle backend database if the frontendnI >application is on Tru64 ?? (or another OS ?) What would be the advantagew >??<<e >nM >Availability for one if you are using Oracle OPS. Also, if using Oracle Rdb,o% >it is cluster ready out of the box. e  ? Unfortunately SAP not only does not support VMS it also doesn'tpC support using a VMS system as the backend database nor does it evensE support OPS in any configuration under any OS let alone VMS with RDB.aF This information from Compaq SAP specialist, Nor will SAP support a GS= series partitioned Tru-64 system running database and apps iniD different partitions.  Best you can do for failure tolererance is toC configure one of the standalone app servers to be a hot standby fort? the database server and then lose some of your apps to keep the A database online. Alternatively just duplicate everything with hott" standby machines at enormous cost.  C So the industry leading ERP application SAP and underlying database C and clustering  technology  is far more primitive than what VMS andb& ManMan with DBMS could do 15 years ago  E There is very little if any advantage in using SAP on Tru-64 with alls( its stolen clustering than any other OS.   >Kerry Maine >Senior Consultant >Compaq Canada Inc.n >Professional Services >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax  :  819-772-7036  >Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com  >P >e >-----Original Message-----n& >From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl] >Sent: June 17, 2001 6:42 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com< >Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux >  >- >i >  >"Main, Kerry" wrote:e >a >> JF -w >>B >> >>>> Of course, if Oracle9i isn't available on VMS... well...<< >>1 >> Check out: (Oracle 9i, Oracle Apps db support)aB >> http://www.openvms.compaq.com/solutions/oracle/openvms_sod.htmlK >> http://www.openvms.compaq.com/solutions/oracle/LEtter_of_commitment.htmly >oK >The second link does raise a question: Why should we use VMS with a OraclewK >backend database if the frontend application is on Tru64 ?? (or another OS  >?)c >What would be the advantage ??0 >,M >The database is not the most critical part, the application is. The frontend  >istJ >the line of attack for hackers etc. And I still don't know what we can do >with0I >Oracle and VMS in the future. Even our Oracle support group can't figureB >thisnD >out. Oracle developer 2000 is an almost retired product, and Oracle
 >applicationseJ >will disappear.  Running just the database on VMS is a bit pointless, theK >applications are much more important. And it is much cheaper to support annK >environment with one operating system than an environment with two or more  >operating systems.  >  >n >o >a >a >> >>M >> re: clustering terms... Personally, I might say "the best UNIX clustering"cM >> vs "the best NT clustering" vs the "best clustering" for OpenVMS, but thattJ >> would likely start another long series of threads..so I won't say it .. >> >> :-) >> >> Regards,h >>
 >> Kerry MainC >> Senior Consultant >> Compaq Canada Inc.  >> Professional Services >> Voice: 613-592-4660 >> Fax  :  819-772-7036i >> Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com  >> >> -----Original Message----- 7 >> From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]. >> Sent: June 15, 2001 1:22 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> >> Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux >> >> Alan Greig wrote:C >> > increase," said Mike Winkler, executive vice president, Global.D >> > Business Units, Compaq Computer Corporation. "The Oracle9i RealI >> > Application Clusters and Compaq's Tru64 UNIX offering truly reflectsyA >> > the strength of our industry lead in clustering technology."h >>L >> Since VMS clustering is still far ahead of True64's, whenever some CompaqL >> employee wants to use the word "leadership" in the context of clustering, >hen4 >> should be forced to use "VMS" instead of "Tru64". >>; >> Of course, if Oracle9i isn't available on VMS... well...'   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:52:28 +0100i0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>; Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linuxh* Message-ID: <3B2F20DC.44BAC8FC@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > JF - > L > >> Why would Compaq employees be ASHAMED to talk about VMS having the bestE > clustering ? What is so damned wrong about saying that Compaq's VMS  > clsutering( > is a decade ahead of competitors ? <<< >  > snip < > K > Again, there are many reasons to choose the platform you require, but VMSoG > does have an extremely good story when one looks at all of the serversN > consolidation and eBusiness efforts currently underway in many corporations. >   
 Does it ?????i  ; Software is what drives eBusiness applications and softwarei is what OpenVMS is short of.  : Sun has recently won a platform deal at a very large bank : here in the UK, part of this is for an eBusiness platform.  ; The customer came up with a list of eBusiness/applications  8 server products that they needed the platform they were  choosing to support.  < The list was long but it included BEA Weblogic, ATG Dynamo, 8 IBM WebSphere, Sybase Jaguar and a number of other apps  including EAI, messaging etc.e  9 Of the applications listed BEA Weblogic Server (but only  7 an old version and they wanted 6.0) and not the portal I< server, bits but not all of WebSphere and MQ-Series actually; were supported on OpenVMS. The 17 or so other applications b= were not and so even if they had considered OpenVMS it would i" have been ruled out straight away.  = The only area that OpenVMS could have offered a solution was v< as a backend DBMS but since one of the DBMS's was Sybase 12  this was also not an option. t  = For OpenVMS to play in the eBusiness space it needs software,*A and real commitment from ISV's. In my experience of architecting  A eBusiness platforms very few customers are keen on multi-platform*B multi-OS platforms and are keen to minimise complexity by getting : as much of the infrastructure as possible from one vendor.  > Having OpenVMS relegated to the role of a backend DBMS server ? may seem possible, but it is also going to be a very hard sell o> for Compaqs sales force, and it is something that they appear 7 to have neither the will nor the inclination to pursue.n   Regards  Andrew Harrisonn Enterprise IT Architectt   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:50:51 +0000 (UTC)n' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)e; Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux + Message-ID: <9gnaqb$1kl$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   p In article <3a65a5c8.0106180540.1a6d2d68@posting.google.com>, keith.cayemberg@conti.de (Keith Cayemberg) writes:N >Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:<3B2D3226.5304B793@home.nl>... >> "Main, Kerry" wrote:e >> o	 >> > JF -  >> >D >> > >>>> Of course, if Oracle9i isn't available on VMS... well...<< >> >3 >> > Check out: (Oracle 9i, Oracle Apps db support)oD >> > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/solutions/oracle/openvms_sod.htmlM >> > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/solutions/oracle/LEtter_of_commitment.html- >> -M >> The second link does raise a question: Why should we use VMS with a OraclevP >> backend database if the frontend application is on Tru64 ?? (or another OS ?)! >> What would be the advantage ??_ >_H >In the End - only you and your colleages can answer that question. But,I >please establish your needed level of resource management, security and -N >sophistication, and inform yourself of the probably huge differences in theseC >qualities offered by the different platforms you are considering. u >, >tR >> The database is not the most critical part, the application is. The frontend isQ >> the line of attack for hackers etc. And I still don't know what we can do withtP >> Oracle and VMS in the future. Even our Oracle support group can't figure thisS >> out. Oracle developer 2000 is an almost retired product, and Oracle applications<L >> will disappear.  Running just the database on VMS is a bit pointless, theM >> applications are much more important. And it is much cheaper to support an>M >> environment with one operating system than an environment with two or mores >> operating systems.s >nF >Do you have only one application/interface to your database? If your D >database is not as critical as your application, how useful is yourK >application if the the database is corrupt or unavailable? In my 2 decadesnO >of experience with mission-critical databases in several companies, especially;H >MC Databases usually tend have a multitude of applications, departmentsL >and even other databases linking to them around the clock. A major customerK >of ours (NOT Firestone) uses OpenVMS and Oracle Rdb to manufacture tires. >    N The case of Oracle Rdb is different. To move to a different platform you wouldJ also have to change databases. With Classic Oracle you only need to change
 platforms.  I For very large customers with big pockets and extensive experience of thes@ strengths of VMS then the security, stability argument may work.M Unfortunately most companies will go for the single platform for application -K and database argument since it reduces staff and support costs. The arguentnK about security, stability etc will be countered by the "But other companiesbK work with operating system X without having VMS as a backend" and "Well thenG application vendor doesn't support VMS and doesn't know of any of theirs$ customers running a VMS backend".       M Our Oracle VMS based admin systems are going to be replaced with Unix systemss8 precisely because the applications no longer run on VMS.O The idea of keeping the databases on VMS and having the applications on anothersI platform was dismissed even though we are now having to spend much larger&L amounts on security. It was just easier to sell increasing security to upper management.-  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:47:17 -0400n+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>b; Subject: RE: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and LinuxkR Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF49A2980@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Andrew,n  J Of course, application software is always a big consideration. Nothing new here.   F BEA and IBM (MQ Series) have announced recently of updated support forG OpenVMS, so, imho it is definately getting better (new stuff cooking asn well).  K However, the application requirement always needs to be balanced with othernI requirements such as an environment with an availability requirement thatbH states "it is unacceptable to the business to be offline due to a singleD datacenter failure or to lose ANY data should that situation occur."  L While this might not have been a big issue with internal applications, it is6 definately on the minds of many eBusiness architects.   E With replication based solutions, besides not being able to share the-J read-write load across all servers in both sites, there is always the riskH of losing data. The replication timeframe defined (# of transactions per8 second x minutes defined between replication timeframe).  E Perhaps you could outline what the availability solution was for thisG- Customer that you discussed in the attached?    C Was it based on Veritas? If so, was the latest Sun Cluster softwaretC involved? If using the latest Sun Cluster software, how many of theoJ applications you mentioned support running in this clustered environment?   F So, while I totally agree with you that the applications are indeed an? important consideration, for eBusiness and server consolidationdL requirements, the days of being exposed to single site  solutions where data) "might" be lost are rapidly disappearing.i  F When discussing eBusiness, one needs to look at the whole solution andH availability is a huge issue that can not be overlooked as something one does later.h   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantu Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services- Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]s Sent: June 19, 2001 5:52 AMo To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como; Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux      "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > JF - > L > >> Why would Compaq employees be ASHAMED to talk about VMS having the bestE > clustering ? What is so damned wrong about saying that Compaq's VMSp > clsutering( > is a decade ahead of competitors ? <<< >  > snip < > K > Again, there are many reasons to choose the platform you require, but VMS G > does have an extremely good story when one looks at all of the serveri@ > consolidation and eBusiness efforts currently underway in many
 corporations.  >   
 Does it ?????   ; Software is what drives eBusiness applications and softwarei is what OpenVMS is short of.  : Sun has recently won a platform deal at a very large bank : here in the UK, part of this is for an eBusiness platform.  ; The customer came up with a list of eBusiness/applications w8 server products that they needed the platform they were  choosing to support.  < The list was long but it included BEA Weblogic, ATG Dynamo, 8 IBM WebSphere, Sybase Jaguar and a number of other apps  including EAI, messaging etc.r  9 Of the applications listed BEA Weblogic Server (but only C7 an old version and they wanted 6.0) and not the portal f< server, bits but not all of WebSphere and MQ-Series actually; were supported on OpenVMS. The 17 or so other applications w= were not and so even if they had considered OpenVMS it would e" have been ruled out straight away.  = The only area that OpenVMS could have offered a solution was e< as a backend DBMS but since one of the DBMS's was Sybase 12  this was also not an option. m  = For OpenVMS to play in the eBusiness space it needs software,tA and real commitment from ISV's. In my experience of architecting tA eBusiness platforms very few customers are keen on multi-platformsB multi-OS platforms and are keen to minimise complexity by getting : as much of the infrastructure as possible from one vendor.  > Having OpenVMS relegated to the role of a backend DBMS server ? may seem possible, but it is also going to be a very hard sell  > for Compaqs sales force, and it is something that they appear 7 to have neither the will nor the inclination to pursue.u   RegardsO Andrew Harrisonl Enterprise IT Architectu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:47:42 +0100p0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>; Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linuxo* Message-ID: <3B2F57FE.79280E63@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Andrew,f > L > Of course, application software is always a big consideration. Nothing new > here.  > H > BEA and IBM (MQ Series) have announced recently of updated support forI > OpenVMS, so, imho it is definately getting better (new stuff cooking as: > well).   Have they ?1  B The thread you were participating in earlier which was discussing @ BEA products ended up concluding that BEA's support for OpenVMS  was very mixed.   C BEA Weblogic Server on OpenVMS is currently 1 major release behind g: their main platforms and this is worse than it used to be.  ? Other parts of the Weblogic suite do not run on OpenVMS at all m9 and never have making it tricky to develop an end to end m/ solution based on WLS + plus extras on OpenVMS.h  ? BEA MessageQ is currently up to date on OpenVMS but people had c: been informed by BEA personnel that it was being dropped.   5 Now if you class this as improved then I accept your s4 judgement, I was clearly underestimating the depths  of the problem.     G > With replication based solutions, besides not being able to share theaL > read-write load across all servers in both sites, there is always the riskJ > of losing data. The replication timeframe defined (# of transactions per: > second x minutes defined between replication timeframe). > G > Perhaps you could outline what the availability solution was for thiss. > Customer that you discussed in the attached? >   = The customer I am refering to has an existing infrastructure i< for replication that uses EMC SRDF between their production 9 and DR datacenters this was used by their IBM mainframes i5 and UNIX servers. We use the same infrastructure and d	 services.?  E > Was it based on Veritas? If so, was the latest Sun Cluster softwarenE > involved? If using the latest Sun Cluster software, how many of the K > applications you mentioned support running in this clustered environment?m >   B The clustering SW is Veritas Cluster Server, though it could have  been Sun Cluster.   > None of the software needs to be VCS aware because none of it ? except Oracle needs to know about the cluster. The apps serversi9 replicates state and the settlement system also does the a same thing.u  = There are cluster agents for specific apps but these monitor  ? the status of the app and restart them if necessary on another o node.a  H > So, while I totally agree with you that the applications are indeed anA > important consideration, for eBusiness and server consolidationdN > requirements, the days of being exposed to single site  solutions where data+ > "might" be lost are rapidly disappearing.n >   ? What makes you think that this system "might" lose data. It is g> perfectly possible to architect a UNIX solution that does not @ lose data, and this particular system is a good example of this.    H > When discussing eBusiness, one needs to look at the whole solution andJ > availability is a huge issue that can not be overlooked as something one
 > does later.o >   : Quite, thats what I do, you however cannot for the simple : reason that if you are only using OpenVMS as a platform it8 is highly unlikely that all of the components that make + up the solution will be running on OpenVMS.t  8 In other words all this messaging from you based around 7 the reliability of the "solution" is of no value since c/ most of the "solution" does not run on OpenVMS.w   Regardso Andrew Harrisons Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:26:26 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>t; Subject: RE: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and LinuxoR Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4A1942A@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Andrew,T  F >>> The thread you were participating in earlier which was discussing @ BEA products ended up concluding that BEA's support for OpenVMS  was very mixed. <<<o  K The BEA Product Management folks got involved and reiterated strong supportuJ for the OpenVMS platform. Bottom line is that a few BEA Field Sales peopleI were not in touch with their Corporate folks agreements and their own webiK site statements. Not much new here - Compaq has the same issue occasionally ' - as does Sun, as does IBM, as does ...i  J >>> The clustering SW is Veritas Cluster Server, though it could have been Sun Cluster. <<h  G I'm sorry, but based on this statement, I did not know that the new SuneL Cluster software supported multi-site cluster solutions without Veritas. Can you confirm this?y  E Also, that all of the applications you mentioned are supported by thel/ vendors in the latest Sun cluster environments?v  H >>> None of the software needs to be VCS aware because none of it exceptI Oracle needs to know about the cluster. The apps servers replicates state:( and the settlement system also does the  same thing.<<<  I So, I guess there are redundant, and idle servers at the remote site justn5 waiting for something to happen at the original site?c  L >>> Quite, thats what I do, you however cannot for the simple reason that ifJ you are only using OpenVMS as a platform it is highly unlikely that all ofG the components that make up the solution will be running on OpenVMS.<<<o  K Hey, in my tool bag, I have UNIX, NT, OpenVMS or NSK solution alternatives.i; From what I can see, your toolbag has UNIX solutions only. a  L I prefer to have more than just a hammer in my toolkit, but to each his own,
 I guess...   :-)M  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services. Voice: 613-592-4660n Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]O Sent: June 19, 2001 9:48 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComD; Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux      "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Andrew,e > L > Of course, application software is always a big consideration. Nothing new > here.t > H > BEA and IBM (MQ Series) have announced recently of updated support forI > OpenVMS, so, imho it is definately getting better (new stuff cooking aso > well).   Have they ?   B The thread you were participating in earlier which was discussing @ BEA products ended up concluding that BEA's support for OpenVMS  was very mixed.   C BEA Weblogic Server on OpenVMS is currently 1 major release behind a: their main platforms and this is worse than it used to be.  ? Other parts of the Weblogic suite do not run on OpenVMS at all o9 and never have making it tricky to develop an end to end p/ solution based on WLS + plus extras on OpenVMS.p  ? BEA MessageQ is currently up to date on OpenVMS but people had r: been informed by BEA personnel that it was being dropped.   5 Now if you class this as improved then I accept your r4 judgement, I was clearly underestimating the depths  of the problem.A    G > With replication based solutions, besides not being able to share the L > read-write load across all servers in both sites, there is always the riskJ > of losing data. The replication timeframe defined (# of transactions per: > second x minutes defined between replication timeframe). > G > Perhaps you could outline what the availability solution was for thisn. > Customer that you discussed in the attached? >   = The customer I am refering to has an existing infrastructure o< for replication that uses EMC SRDF between their production 9 and DR datacenters this was used by their IBM mainframes s5 and UNIX servers. We use the same infrastructure and a	 services.t  E > Was it based on Veritas? If so, was the latest Sun Cluster softwarefE > involved? If using the latest Sun Cluster software, how many of thegK > applications you mentioned support running in this clustered environment?  >   B The clustering SW is Veritas Cluster Server, though it could have  been Sun Cluster.   > None of the software needs to be VCS aware because none of it ? except Oracle needs to know about the cluster. The apps servers-9 replicates state and the settlement system also does the U same thing.a  = There are cluster agents for specific apps but these monitor l? the status of the app and restart them if necessary on another x node.   H > So, while I totally agree with you that the applications are indeed anA > important consideration, for eBusiness and server consolidation I > requirements, the days of being exposed to single site  solutions wheree data+ > "might" be lost are rapidly disappearing.  >   ? What makes you think that this system "might" lose data. It is a> perfectly possible to architect a UNIX solution that does not @ lose data, and this particular system is a good example of this.    H > When discussing eBusiness, one needs to look at the whole solution andJ > availability is a huge issue that can not be overlooked as something one
 > does later.o >   : Quite, thats what I do, you however cannot for the simple : reason that if you are only using OpenVMS as a platform it8 is highly unlikely that all of the components that make + up the solution will be running on OpenVMS.u  8 In other words all this messaging from you based around 7 the reliability of the "solution" is of no value since  / most of the "solution" does not run on OpenVMS.t   Regardst Andrew Harrisonm Enterprise IT Architectp   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:32:34 -0400s+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>l; Subject: RE: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linuxf# Message-ID: <sb2f467e.093@aaas.org>2  E I guess now is not a bad time to point out the lastest round of TPC =p@ numbers came in. The winner: Oracle 9i on a GS320 running Tru64.  1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/19805.html   
 I'll take it.t  D >>> "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> 06/19/2001 12:26:26 PM >>> Andrew,r  H >>> The thread you were participating in earlier which was discussing=20B BEA products ended up concluding that BEA's support for OpenVMS=20 was very mixed. <<<i  E The BEA Product Management folks got involved and reiterated strong =  supportnJ for the OpenVMS platform. Bottom line is that a few BEA Field Sales peopleI were not in touch with their Corporate folks agreements and their own webmL site statements. Not much new here - Compaq has the same issue occasionally=  ' - as does Sun, as does IBM, as does ...   J >>> The clustering SW is Veritas Cluster Server, though it could have been Sun Cluster. <<i  G I'm sorry, but based on this statement, I did not know that the new SuncJ Cluster software supported multi-site cluster solutions without Veritas. = Cant you confirm this?e  E Also, that all of the applications you mentioned are supported by they/ vendors in the latest Sun cluster environments?t  H >>> None of the software needs to be VCS aware because none of it exceptI Oracle needs to know about the cluster. The apps servers replicates stateb* and the settlement system also does the=20 same thing.<<<  I So, I guess there are redundant, and idle servers at the remote site justr5 waiting for something to happen at the original site?   K >>> Quite, thats what I do, you however cannot for the simple reason that =e ifJ you are only using OpenVMS as a platform it is highly unlikely that all ofG the components that make up the solution will be running on OpenVMS.<<<h  L Hey, in my tool bag, I have UNIX, NT, OpenVMS or NSK solution alternatives.=  = From what I can see, your toolbag has UNIX solutions only.=20o  I I prefer to have more than just a hammer in my toolkit, but to each his =t own,
 I guess...   :-)e  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant- Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services7 Voice: 613-592-4660i Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com=20      -----Original Message-----: From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]=20 Sent: June 19, 2001 9:48 AMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com=20; Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linuxw     "Main, Kerry" wrote: >=20	 > Andrew,n >=20J > Of course, application software is always a big consideration. Nothing = newe > here.u >=20H > BEA and IBM (MQ Series) have announced recently of updated support forI > OpenVMS, so, imho it is definately getting better (new stuff cooking asi > well).   Have they ?t  D The thread you were participating in earlier which was discussing=20B BEA products ended up concluding that BEA's support for OpenVMS=20 was very mixed.=20  E BEA Weblogic Server on OpenVMS is currently 1 major release behind=20o: their main platforms and this is worse than it used to be.  A Other parts of the Weblogic suite do not run on OpenVMS at all=20l; and never have making it tricky to develop an end to end=20k/ solution based on WLS + plus extras on OpenVMS.e  A BEA MessageQ is currently up to date on OpenVMS but people had=20n< been informed by BEA personnel that it was being dropped.=20  7 Now if you class this as improved then I accept your=20e6 judgement, I was clearly underestimating the depths=20 of the problem.r    G > With replication based solutions, besides not being able to share thehI > read-write load across all servers in both sites, there is always the =t riskJ > of losing data. The replication timeframe defined (# of transactions per: > second x minutes defined between replication timeframe). >=20G > Perhaps you could outline what the availability solution was for this . > Customer that you discussed in the attached? >=20  ? The customer I am refering to has an existing infrastructure=20i> for replication that uses EMC SRDF between their production=20; and DR datacenters this was used by their IBM mainframes=20n7 and UNIX servers. We use the same infrastructure and=203	 services.   E > Was it based on Veritas? If so, was the latest Sun Cluster softwaresE > involved? If using the latest Sun Cluster software, how many of thetL > applications you mentioned support running in this clustered environment?=   >=20  D The clustering SW is Veritas Cluster Server, though it could have=20 been Sun Cluster.=20  @ None of the software needs to be VCS aware because none of it=20? except Oracle needs to know about the cluster. The apps serversu; replicates state and the settlement system also does the=20< same thing.,  ? There are cluster agents for specific apps but these monitor=20 A the status of the app and restart them if necessary on another=20s node.   H > So, while I totally agree with you that the applications are indeed anA > important consideration, for eBusiness and server consolidationlI > requirements, the days of being exposed to single site  solutions wheren data+ > "might" be lost are rapidly disappearing.  >=20  A What makes you think that this system "might" lose data. It is=20 @ perfectly possible to architect a UNIX solution that does not=20@ lose data, and this particular system is a good example of this.    H > When discussing eBusiness, one needs to look at the whole solution andJ > availability is a huge issue that can not be overlooked as something one
 > does later.A >=20  < Quite, thats what I do, you however cannot for the simple=20: reason that if you are only using OpenVMS as a platform it: is highly unlikely that all of the components that make=20+ up the solution will be running on OpenVMS.   : In other words all this messaging from you based around=209 the reliability of the "solution" is of no value since=20e/ most of the "solution" does not run on OpenVMS.n   RegardsM Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectt   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 13:40:45 -0500+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)e$ Subject: Re: POSTs via SSL to Apache3 Message-ID: <XmSqiMzfCfHh@eisner.encompasserve.org>s   Thanks,   : This should do the trick.  Now I just need to dust off the( Programming Perl book and get to coding.  p In article <3b2ed712.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:. > Marty Kuhrt (kuhrt@encompasserve.org) wrote:C >> I'm looking for a program to send POST requests _to_ a webserverl, >> so that I can test my existing CGI stuff. > 1 > Modeled after the examples of the LWP cookbook:- > 
 >   #!perl -w- >   use strict; D >   use LWP::UserAgent;  # SSL capable if Crypt::SSLeay if installed >   use URI::URL;O > * >   my $url = 'https://somewhere/foo/bar'; > . >   my %form = (search => 'www', errors => 0);: >   my $curl = url('https:'); # create an empty URL object >   $curl->query_form(%form);d > 3 >   my $request = new HTTP::Request 'POST' => $url;i@ >   $request->content_type('application/x-www-form-urlencoded');M >   $request->content($curl->equery); # %form content as escaped query stringt >   >   my $ua = new LWP::UserAgent;* >   my $response = $ua->request($request); >   print $response->as_string;  >  > cu,r
 >   Martin > --  H >   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer5 >    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de H >    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/< >    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:45:59 -0400r2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>4 Subject: Press Release from Experis Technology Group3 Message-ID: <qdMX6.1592$fi2.49810@news.cpqcorp.net>r  ? Experis Technology Group, Inc. and System Solutions, Inc. Mergeo      G Experis Technology Group, Inc., a Compaq Authorized Enterprise Reseller J (CAER) located in Rockville, Maryland and System Solutions, Inc., a systemL integration and IT consulting firm headquartered in Herndon, Virginia, todayH announced the merger of their companies.  The merged entity will use the Experis brand.      L Since its founding in 1992, System Solutions has demonstrated the ability toK provide high quality OpenVMS and Windows NT services to its customers usingrI a strategic mix of depth of expertise, breadth of service and competitive D rates.  The combination of Experis and System Solutions will provideI customers a complete product and service blend from one team, designed toeJ improve the whole technology acquisition experience.  We are confidant theG synergy between Experis, a leading provider of technology products, andnE System Solutions, with its traditional focus on enterprise system andgD network management services will benefit our combined customer base.      F The senior members of the System Solutions staff have over 75 years ofH combined experience in OpenVMS system and network management and enjoy aH proven track record at some of the largest OpenVMS facilities around theF country.  "System Solutions brings to Experis a large team of seasonedJ OpenVMS and Windows NT engineering professionals that will help accelerateC Experis's nationwide growth," said Raymond Tuchman, CEO of Experis.d      H Experis Technology Group, Inc. targets mid to large sized companies thatK demand highly available systems.  Many of these customers are OpenVMS basedlE and Experis can now support them nationwide with the merger of SystemoL Solutions.  Among these are companies looking to Compaq's newer, smaller andG more open systems to link their existing legacy applications with their F growing desktop computing resources.  Also, medium sized organizationsK looking to bring a degree of standardization and operational rigor to their C PC architectures as mission critical applications are rolled out ontL client/server platforms.  High system and network availability have become aI necessity in these environments and this need can only be met by blending C the tools and concepts that bring operational stability to high-endsK mainframe and midrange architectures with those that facilitate scalability  of client/server platforms.n      G Experis and System Solutions have been providing and supporting OpenVMS-K solutions to companies since 1992.  Some of these companies include LSG SkyK Chefs and AARP.@      K Experis Technology Group, Inc. and System Solutions together can architect,-J provide and support complete high performance, highly available computing,L storage, and enterprise management systems to organizations based on OpenVMS% and Compaq's VAX and Alpha platforms.g      G For more information, please visit www.experis.com or call 301-545-1155e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:11:10 -0400t5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> N Subject: Re: problem with Decwindows after VMS721_UPDATE-V0200 on Alphastation3 Message-ID: <SjHX6.1571$fi2.49492@news.cpqcorp.net>i  C You should see UPDATE_V300 soon, which will correct the problem and  supercede the V2 kit.s      % Robert Deininger wrote in message ...uF >In article <yusW6.1502$fi2.44665@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"% ><kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:p >tL >> We're still looking at it.  Yes, I was refering to the UPDATE_V200 patch.K >> Some files are not being installed into the right place.  No damage will  beF >> done, but you won't get some of the latest graphics images that are4 >> consolidated from earlier "graphics" update kits. >  >Thanks for the update.h >p >--r >Robert Deiningert >rdeininger@mindspring.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:46:07 +0100l2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>/ Subject: Re: Problem with JUMP from FREEWARE CDt. Message-ID: <3B2F1F5F.74C66353@CCAgroup.co.uk>   Bob Kaplow wrote:  > l > In article <_0GW6.1516$fi2.45270@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Jonathan Ridler" <jonathan.ridler@compaq.com> writes: > : > Glad to have finally found you! Thanks for the response. > C > > "Chris Sharman" <Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk> wrote in messagey/ > > news:009FD780.E28C282F.20@ccagroup.co.uk...r > >> ...H > >> The code handles success, and file not found, but other errors fail > > quietly, > >> which is perhaps slack. > >nL > > Not quite correct -- the code handles successful file open (i.e., do the > > checks),P > > everything else *except* file not found (i.e., exit with error information),L > > *and* file not found, which, since the file is not mandatory, is a valid
 > > statusK > > (i.e., access = unspecified).  Hopefully, not too slack after all?  ;-):  G OK, I'll withdraw that remark - security through obscurity seems like asG moderately good reason to fail quietly, in this case. Perhaps worthy ofu6 a comment that the trailing else is omitted by design?  P > > 5. As for 4 above, but immediately after the good entry -- should proceed to" > > NOPRIV as per your experience. > I > %JUMP-F-BADDATA, Format of Access List data record seems to be invalid.u > F > The problem seems to be that nothing in the file is getting matched. >    Yes.F Checking out the inputs and output from match_list would probably nail it.b  D The only thing I can see which looks suspect is that Opt is 'sticky'H (unless I've missed something) - is that intentional ? It doesn't appear  to get blanked if not specified.   eg fred:jim:abcA kaplow:kaplowro # options "abc" will be applied to this line too.B   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 10:51:16 -05009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)r6 Subject: Re: Problem with large queue lengths on disk.3 Message-ID: <QihvoeSkyWdr@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  j In article <3B25BABE.8A927125@volkswagen.de>, Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de> writes:4 > The following is from the UPDATE V2.0 Coverletter: >  > J >       o  As    a    result,    I/O    monitoring    tools,    such    asJ >          MONITOR_DISK/ITEM=QUEUE_LENGT,   would   report  erroneous  andJ >          increasing values for some multipath devices, even  when  there4 >          was actually no active I/O on the device. >  >  > Hamlyn Mootoo wrote: >> tO >> More than likely, you DO NOT HAVE queues of the magnitude you claim (or moremP >> precisely, that MONITOR claims).  There is s bug in the MONITOR utility whichV >> incorrectly reports abnormally high I/O queue lengths. There is a patch which takesW >> care of it, but I can't remember which one.  I have applied the patch before, and it Q >> did seem to work, but subsequent to that, I think another patch that I appliedCV >> (later version) undid it again, and I didn't bother to inquire which patch would beU >> needed further to undo the undoing patch. If you have performance advisor running,n4 >> it will report the correct queue lengths for you.  H The bug is not in monitor, but a corruption of the (UCB?) data structureL itself. In addition to MONITOR, it showed up from PSPA in V6.2, and from ECPL in V7.2. I remember at least one patch that was supposed to help, but it didF nothing for me. We'll see if it's still there if I ever get to install V7.3...o   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 10:54:28 -05009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)m6 Subject: Re: Problem with large queue lengths on disk.3 Message-ID: <XDkaAwumAcs0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   P In article <3B26B99E.10BB25CF@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes: > Hamlyn Mootoo wrote:X >> If you have performance advisor running, it will report the correct queue lengths for >> HMs > = > How do you get Performance Advisor to run on OpenVMS 7.2-1?s  E You send CA your favorite anatomical parts, and if you're very lucky,gK they'll give you what you want. You'll need to be like a starfish, cuz nextu year they'll want more...h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:26:42 +0100"* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>& Subject: Re: Raid Array 3000 + 2 ES40s, Message-ID: <9gn2c5$1m6u@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  d "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> wrote in message news:3B2E441F.5879BCF@ost.cdrh.fda.gov...  Q > Then each HSZ22 host port could present to the KZPBAs at most 8 devices throughuQ > SCSI LUNs, for 16 total on two host ports.  I see no caveats about wide busses,o+ > and I think the manual might have errors.i  0 Very crudely (for parallel, missing some detail)  D SCSI IDs are implemented at a low level - bit n corresponds to ID n.B LUNs are implemented by reserving some bits in the request header.  C Hence the width of the bus is not important for LUNs. It's purely aw software and/or firmware issue.d   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2001 14:21:06 GMT- From: ejheller@aol.com.nojunk (Edward Heller)v> Subject: Remote connection error on OVMS 7.2 and Oracle 7.3...: Message-ID: <20010619102106.10170.00000082@ng-md1.aol.com>  J First, please note that I realize this may seem like a question from 1999,L however we weren't broke so we were reluctant to "fix". We recently upgradedN our OpenVMS Alpha from 7.1 to 7.2-1. This also included the change from UCX toL TCPIP. When we did that, our Java applications that used to communicate justO fine with the Oracle database (v 7.3.2.3.2) stopped working. The listener traceiM file indicates that the connection from the remote application is connecting.hM When the shadow program is created, the IPC message returns what I think is alO reference to Port 0. Following is that section of the trace file (apololgies ine1 advance for wrap confusion - the lines are long):o   command = establishs (ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=beq)(ENVS=)? (ARGV0=DKA200:[ORACLE7.NETWORK.ADMIN]ORASRV_NETV2_myDB.COMmyDB)u< (ARGS='(LOCAL=NO)')(GLOBAL_DBNAME=myDB.world)(SID_NAME=myDB)H (PROGRAM=DKA200:[ORACLE7.NETWORK.ADMIN]ORASRV_NETV2_myDB.COM)(TIMEOUT=0) (PRESPAWN_MAX=10))
 connecting...t- NT layer IPC connection has been established.y doing connect handshake...D REDIR="(ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=tcp)(DEV=_BG6656:)(HOST=x.x.x.x)(PORT=0))"" handshake is complete; redirecting  I I do not think this is correct, however, I am at a loss as to what is thev/ mechanism by which the port number is assigned.X  ; Any thoughts (other than upgrading Oracle) are appreciated.r
 Edward Heller 
 TransCore ITS 4 "All musings contained within are mine, mine alone."   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:05:08 +0000 (UTC):' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)c Subject: Re: Secured FTP+ Message-ID: <9gnbl4$1kl$2@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>n  S In article <sb2e0658.026@aaas.org>, "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes: K >Has anyone mentioned SCP yet? It's the only utility to get me to kick my =yM >FTP habit. It's based on SSH, and there is a port to x86/win32, Unix, etc. = J >You can script it as well, it accepts wild cards. I use pscp (the win32 =K >port) to copy files to and from my Unix boxes all the time. I don't know =eA >if anyone has ported it to VMS, but if they haven't they should.e >t  , There isn't as far as I know an SCP for VMS.H However as I posted earlier you can use FISH to transfer files over SSH.  J All you need is FISH on the sending node and Dave Jones' SSH server on the receiving node.e    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 08:44:36 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)l Subject: Re: TCL- C in Open VMSs3 Message-ID: <wyJ5N7lY97Y1@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  ` In article <sQvX6.1560$fi2.49080@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sundaram P" <sundaramp@hotmail.com> writes: > Hi,pL >    I am trying to write a simple c program which will create and use a tclM > interpreter.(source TCL and the TK toolkit - John Ousterhout ).I am able toi8 > compile and run the program successfully in Tru64Unix.G >    But i'm not able to find out which libraries to use for Linking inhK > VMS.Can somebody please help me out.Specifying the exact commands will bet > really appreciated.n  & >         interp = Tcl_CreateInterp();/ >         code = Tcl_EvalFile(interp, argv[1]);a  G It looks like these are the only two Tcl calls you are making, they arecH in libtcl.olb.  If you're C file is called main.c, and main.obj was made from that, then:   $link main,dev:[dir]libtcl/lib  / where dev:[dir] is the place you put libtcl.olbb  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationh= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingp   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jun 2001 23:30:27 -07003 From: paul.j.whapshott@lineone.net (Paul Whapshott)0 Subject: TCPIP V5.10< Message-ID: <51f54c31.0106182230.83b54c1@posting.google.com>  C I have some old wide area IP addresses that don't exist anymore. Onu> the systems I have upgraded UCX (TCPIP) to 5.1 If I ping theseD addresses they timeout but enter the routing tables as a destinationE and stay there indefinetly. If I do the same on a UCX V5.0 system andhD a UCX 4.2 system which I have this does not happen any ideas, should this happen and if so why?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:17:21 -0700s! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>l# Subject: TCPIP$CONFIGURE won't exitg9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEIKCMAA.tom@kednos.com>y  K I am going through installing 7.3 on Alpha433au when running this script itr won't L exit cleanly.  I assume that this is significant, because when  I reboot,the+ services I had just configured don't start.B  I I launched the script from File Mgr -sysmgr window by double-clicking thee icon.t  G The main page lists options 1 through 7, A and [E], the last being exitt config proco   the question ist   Enter Configuration option:   L I have tried E, [E], EXIT and <ret> and they all hang.  has naybody else had problem with this?H (Note that [E] in the list, square brackets suggest default, but if this. were the case you would expect the question as   Enter Configuration option [E]:o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:38:57 +0200d= From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@contrastmediagroep.nl>-' Subject: Re: TCPIP$CONFIGURE won't exit45 Message-ID: <3B2F6401.36481BA1@contrastmediagroep.nl>e   Tom Linden wrote:v  K > I launched the script from File Mgr -sysmgr window by double-clicking thes > icon.s  B I have never run it this way, always use a terminal (emulator) for running the script.d  N > I have tried E, [E], EXIT and <ret> and they all hang.  has naybody else had > problem with this?J > (Note that [E] in the list, square brackets suggest default, but if this0 > were the case you would expect the question as  , The square brackets indeed mean the default.  = But this procedure will not (re)configure your startup script D (sys$manager:systartup_vms.com), you will have to edit this file and include a line:L   $ @sys$startup:tcpip$startup   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:00:27 -0700 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>)' Subject: RE: TCPIP$CONFIGURE won't exit-9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEIMCMAA.tom@kednos.com>s  K I just tried NET$CONFIGURE started in the same way and it too hangs, if youe give it theq2 exit option, [0]  (without the brackets of course)   > -----Original Message-----F > From: Oswald Knoppers [mailto:Oswald.Knoppers@contrastmediagroep.nl]& > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 7:39 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp) > Subject: Re: TCPIP$CONFIGURE won't exit| >M >  > Tom Linden wrote:T >o9 > > I launched the script from File Mgr -sysmgr window by  > double-clicking the/	 > > icon.s >eD > I have never run it this way, always use a terminal (emulator) for > running the script.- >-? > > I have tried E, [E], EXIT and <ret> and they all hang.  hasr > naybody else had > > problem with this?L > > (Note that [E] in the list, square brackets suggest default, but if this2 > > were the case you would expect the question as >y. > The square brackets indeed mean the default. > ? > But this procedure will not (re)configure your startup scriptRF > (sys$manager:systartup_vms.com), you will have to edit this file and > include a line:r >o > $ @sys$startup:tcpip$startup >r
 > Regards, >V > Oswald >y   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:29:42 +1000 < From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospam.optusnet.com.au>  Subject: Re: UCX tcp/ip problemsB Message-ID: <3b2f3739$0$25514$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>  1 The versions 3.XX were pretty flaky weren't they?b  2 UCX 4.2 eco6 would be a good start. Can't remember1 if you need 7.1 of vms to install tcpip 5.0a eco2   9 I think that the alpha station 200 has a 10mb card on it. : I have worked on a couple of these boxes, but don't recall< having any negoiation problems, although, I think that there* was only 10 meg everywhere then anyway ;-)  ; If you get sent the binarys, then upgrade ucx. If you don't < drop me an email, and I will see if I can put them upfor you8 somewhere. CPQ site has the patches and are a lot eaiserH to find these days. You might want to check it out, and see what patches* you should have for  your machine anyway..   cheers   ant        >r > As for hardware:4 >   DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS AXP Version V3.28 >   on a AlphaStation 200 4/166 running OpenVMS V6.2-1H2 >nF > The nic is the one on the motherboard of the AlphaStation 200.  I am+ > not sure of the hub, but I will find out.  >  > >Trevor Osatchuk wrote:  > >>K > >> Some further info.  I was telneted into the VMS box from a NT computeraK > >> and I tried to ftp to the DU box.  This hung up my connection.  I wentt' > >> and did a show user /full and got:i< > >>       OpenVMS User Processes at 18-JUN-2001 16:26:12.98< > >>     Total number of users = 1,  number of processes = 2 > >>/ > >>  Username Process Name    PID     TerminaleH > >>  USER1 USER1       00000051  TNA1:    (Host: 172.22.128.59    Port: > >> 2190 )o0 > >>  USER1 USER1  _OPA0:        00000052  OPA0: > >>K > >> 172.22.128.59 is the IP assigned to my NT computer.  I did a ping fromeK > >> VMX/UCX and got no response.  I did a show user /full and got the same J > >> as above.  I killed my telnet client and did a sho user /full and theF > >> entry with the IP was gone.  It was still connected somehow but IJ > >> couldn't communicate.  Very flakey.  I changed network cables and the? > >> hub.(one of the guys on site did it for me)  Still no joy.p > >>C > >> Any input, encouragement or even disdain would be appreciated.  > >> > >> Trevor Osatchuk >  > Trevor Osatchuky   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 01:15:09 -0700* From: thomas_p_reid@hotmail.com (Tom Reid)' Subject: Unix join utility for openvms?r< Message-ID: <6dfc26f.0106190015.7e4fcaf5@posting.google.com>  C Coming from a  unix background I used to use the join utility a lotvD which does a relational type join on two or more text files. I couldE really do with a similar utility right now for openvms. Does any havee$ a port or know where I can find one?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:57:29 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auc+ Subject: Re: Unix join utility for openvms?o5 Message-ID: <01K4YMJ3KRUQ001P2Y@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>2   Tom Reid wrote;t  D >Coming from a  unix background I used to use the join utility a lotE >which does a relational type join on two or more text files. I couldpF >really do with a similar utility right now for openvms. Does any have% >a port or know where I can find one?   M Not in any way sure of what "join" exactly does, but it looks very much like sF APPEND.  Check out the help for that and see if it does what you want.  K Hmm, no offense to you and others (we love UNIX people coming to VMS), but nI think of a synonym or a properly spelt out word and that's what you will   probably find under HELP.0   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,c
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia5   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,l; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:36:20 -0400s- From: John Reagan <reagan@hiyall.zko.dec.com>.+ Subject: Re: Unix join utility for openvms?o2 Message-ID: <3B2F1D14.1C2D5BA7@hiyall.zko.dec.com>  & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote: >  > Tom Reid wrote;a > F > >Coming from a  unix background I used to use the join utility a lotG > >which does a relational type join on two or more text files. I couldiH > >really do with a similar utility right now for openvms. Does any have' > >a port or know where I can find one?p > N > Not in any way sure of what "join" exactly does, but it looks very much likeH > APPEND.  Check out the help for that and see if it does what you want. >   4 join is more than append.  From the "join man page",    D "The join command reads file1 and file2 and joins lines in the filesF that contain common fields, or otherwise according to the options, and' writes the results to standard output."   D I have ported "join" (and most other programs from the GNU textutilsF package) to OpenVMS quite easily.  The "hard" part was hand creating aG valid config.h file (automake, autoconf, etc. don't run on OpenVMS).  ItG didn't use the GNU make, but rather just created a .COM file by hand tomH compile and link the tools.  At somepoint later this summer, I'll update0 the GNV area at sourceforge.net with my changes.   -- John Reaganc5 Compaq Pascal Project Leader (and current GNV hacker)-   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 06:41:16 -0700* From: thomas_p_reid@hotmail.com (Tom Reid)+ Subject: Re: Unix join utility for openvms?n< Message-ID: <6dfc26f.0106190541.51326343@posting.google.com>  b paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote in message news:<01K4YMJ3KRUQ001P2Y@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>... > Tom Reid wrote;w > F > >Coming from a  unix background I used to use the join utility a lotG > >which does a relational type join on two or more text files. I could/H > >really do with a similar utility right now for openvms. Does any have' > >a port or know where I can find one?w > O > Not in any way sure of what "join" exactly does, but it looks very much like oH > APPEND.  Check out the help for that and see if it does what you want. > M > Hmm, no offense to you and others (we love UNIX people coming to VMS), but eK > think of a synonym or a properly spelt out word and that's what you will t > probably find under HELP.k >  > Regards, Paddy >  > Paddy O'Brien, > Transmission Development,t > TransGrid, > PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  > NSW 2000, Australiai >  > Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 > Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050( > Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au > O > Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,o= > but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.e  F Paddy, in what way does the VMS append command do a relational join onD text files? Doesn't it just stick one file on to the end of another.' Perhaps an example will clarify things.m  ; File A                 File B                        File Co< =======                =======                       =======  : X,1234                 A,TOM       After join        A,TOM@ Y,456                  X,DICK          =>            X,1234,DICK@ Y,000                  Y,HARRY                       Y,000,HARRY@ Z,                                                   Y,456,HARRY7                                                      Z,i   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 06:45:13 -0700* From: thomas_p_reid@hotmail.com (Tom Reid)+ Subject: Re: Unix join utility for openvms?y< Message-ID: <6dfc26f.0106190545.5bf9d63c@posting.google.com>  n thomas_p_reid@hotmail.com (Tom Reid) wrote in message news:<6dfc26f.0106190015.7e4fcaf5@posting.google.com>...E > Coming from a  unix background I used to use the join utility a lot-F > which does a relational type join on two or more text files. I couldG > really do with a similar utility right now for openvms. Does any have & > a port or know where I can find one?  F Forgot to mention that I have GAWK for openvms. Is it possible emulate join utility using gawk?   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 07:06:50 -0700& From: Martyn.Pattison@ntl.com (Martyn)+ Subject: Re: Unix join utility for openvms?a= Message-ID: <26697816.0106190606.4318bb9b@posting.google.com>o   Hi, D   Append isn't nearly so flexible as join (it just sticks file2 ontoE the end of file1). I reckon your best bet is to look over the OpenVMSd% freeware CD, you can browse it here :h  2 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/FREEWARE50/  b paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote in message news:<01K4YMJ3KRUQ001P2Y@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>... > Tom Reid wrote;6 > F > >Coming from a  unix background I used to use the join utility a lotG > >which does a relational type join on two or more text files. I could7H > >really do with a similar utility right now for openvms. Does any have' > >a port or know where I can find one?e  r <SNIP>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:43:44 +0200r+ From: "Juan C. Blanco" <jcblanco@fi.upm.es>e* Subject: VMS 7.3 problems with ATAPI CDROM( Message-ID: <3B2F7330.881BB10@fi.upm.es>  E Hello, I've just upgraded my test Alpha workstation to VMS 7.3, sincesE then I'm having problems COPYing VMS savesets (from de VMS LP libraryaE CD-ROM) to disk, however if I use BACKUP instead of COPY all seems tog
 work fine.  ) Someone have experimented this problems ?i   Regardss Juan C. Blanco --  N +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
  | Juan C.D Blanco                                                             |  L |                                                                            |A'  |     Centro de Calculo               K' |                                     | 2  |     Facultad de Informatica U.P.M.   |  E-mail: jcblanco@fi.upm.es         |'  |     Campus de Montegancedo          R' |                                     |.@  |     Boadilla del Monte               |  Tel.:    (+34) 91 336 7466         |@  |     28660 MADRID (Spain)             |  Fax :    (+34) 91 336 6913         |  N +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 00:04:46 -07003 From: paul.j.whapshott@lineone.net (Paul Whapshott)e$ Subject: Re: vms maintenance utility= Message-ID: <51f54c31.0106182304.51083c75@posting.google.com>r  E Option 9 does still work on Alpha, You can build a minimum version of6. AlphaVMS on another disk using this. Basically0 SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT.COM calls another Com file.  B I have set this up so that I can boot in an effectively standalone) mode on Alpha to back up the system disk.U  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3B2926AE.49A7C42E@fsi.net>... > Michiel Erens wrote: > >  > > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > >  > > > "St. Claire" wrote:  > > > >iI > > > > Does anyone know what the maintenance utility for vms is and what I > > > > the command is to launch it; like smit is the maintenance utilityS > > > > for aix? > > >HB > > > Perhaps if you explain what you're trying to do; there is noK > > > "maintenance utility for vms", though I suppose SYSMAN may qualify in  > > > some regards.- > > D > > There is or used to be a menu SYS$EXAMPLES:MGRMENU.COM . I can'tB > > remember what it did, but it must have had some functionality,F > > because it started when you logged in with SYSTEM in some versions > > of VMS.. > ? > Seems to still be there on a V7.2-1 systems I have access to.  > H > I suppose it could be marginally useful for the newbie SysAdmin; but IJ > would recommend that such persons study the proc. and learn the commandsG > and functions it uses. There's a lot more to being a SysAdmin than is  > convered by that proc. > * > Cut-and-paste from EDT via Reflection/4: >  > Main Menup >  >          1 - Exit to DCL, >          2 - Log out of the SYSTEM account& >          3 - Invoke the MAIL utility/ >          4 - Add a user account to the systemk( >          5 - Install optional software" >          6 - Tailor a VMS system5 >          7 - Create or Modify an Autologin Terminale: >          8 - Back up or Restore the user files on a disk, >          9 - Build a Standalone BACKUP kit; >         10 - Set the maximum number of interactive logins-$ >         11 - Configure the network0 >         12 - Shut down or start up the network# >         13 - SHUT DOWN the systemr > E > The "tailor" option is a bit misleading, as it invokes AUTOGEN, notnJ > VMSTAILOR. Option 9 is rather obsolete on Alpha. Options 11 and 12 won't > work for DECnet-V. >  > -- o > David J. Dachterat > dba DJE SystemsV > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:44:34 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i$ Subject: Re: vms maintenance utility' Message-ID: <3B2F5742.620CF50C@fsi.net>L   Paul Whapshott wrote:o > G > Option 9 does still work on Alpha, You can build a minimum version ofg0 > AlphaVMS on another disk using this. Basically2 > SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT.COM calls another Com file. > D > I have set this up so that I can boot in an effectively standalone+ > mode on Alpha to back up the system disk.   H Remember, however, that the result is still dependent on the boot disk -H it's not done using RAMdisk as it was with OpenVMS-VAX. Unless an ECO orF update is necessary to run your configuration, boot from the CD may be# more advisable, if somewhat slower.t   -- [ David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:55:14 +0100s  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com$ Subject: Re: vms maintenance utilityH Message-ID: <OF3285CFB3.92B65820-ON80256A70.004C1EC1@qedi.quintiles.com>  C I don't understand what you're saying David.  On Alpha, the minimum E environment which can be configured using axpvms$pcsi_install_min.com E (found in sys$system) will create another bootable VMS environment on D another disk.  It can't be on the present, "real" system disk.  As aH result, nothing on the real system disk would be open if booted from the minimum environment.  J The only problem I've seen with this approach on v7.1 is that some patchesK related to mount will not update the DCLTABLES.TEMPLATE file so you need tosI ensure that DCLTABLES.EXE is copied over from the full environment to theL minimum one.   Steve.   David Dachtera wrote : >>>N Paul Whapshott wrote:a >wG > Option 9 does still work on Alpha, You can build a minimum version ofe0 > AlphaVMS on another disk using this. Basically2 > SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT.COM calls another Com file. >tD > I have set this up so that I can boot in an effectively standalone+ > mode on Alpha to back up the system disk.I  H Remember, however, that the result is still dependent on the boot disk -H it's not done using RAMdisk as it was with OpenVMS-VAX. Unless an ECO orF update is necessary to run your configuration, boot from the CD may be# more advisable, if somewhat slower.e <<<d   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 06:06:27 GMT + From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <public@kits.net>   Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change@ Message-ID: <DZBX6.101460$%i7.75567406@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>  > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message& news:9glaft$2qp6$3@info.cs.uofs.edu...  G > Is it not also just as likely that if the rainforest in Brazil wasn'ttF > being destroyed for no particularly good reason that the earth might= > in fact be able to consume all that CO2 int he first place.-  G Rainforests don't consume CO2, because they don't produce anything like.I coal, turf or limestone. Their ability to bind carbon is limited to theirD9 biomass, and the density of such biomass is quite stable.    Kit.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 02:23:10 -0400s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate changeL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1906010223100001@user-2iveb3m.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <DZBX6.101460$%i7.75567406@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>, "Nikita$ V. Belenki" <public@kits.net> wrote:  @ > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message( > news:9glaft$2qp6$3@info.cs.uofs.edu... > I > > Is it not also just as likely that if the rainforest in Brazil wasn't H > > being destroyed for no particularly good reason that the earth might? > > in fact be able to consume all that CO2 int he first place.h > I > Rainforests don't consume CO2, because they don't produce anything like K > coal, turf or limestone. Their ability to bind carbon is limited to theirn; > biomass, and the density of such biomass is quite stable.   H The density of biomass isn't too stable when folks chop it down and burnB it.  I think that's Bill's point.  Rainforests re-use biomass very( quickly, but only until they are killed.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comn   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:29:11 +0000 (UTC)c' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)   Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change+ Message-ID: <9gn9hn$12m$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>e  ` In article <9glaft$2qp6$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:- >In article <3B27B573.35CD072D@videotron.ca>, 1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  >|> P >|> *IF* there is conclusive proof that CO2 levels have risen in the atmosphere,N >|> isn't it perfectly fair to state that the current CO2 production on planet: >|> earth is greater than Earth's ability to consume CO2 ? >sF >Is it not also just as likely that if the rainforest in Brazil wasn'tE >being destroyed for no particularly good reason that the earth mightg< >in fact be able to consume all that CO2 int he first place. >     D There was an interesting program on British TV a couple of days ago.K Equinox "The day the oceans boiled" which reported on research which showedJH that the Amazon rain forest was acting as a much bigger carbon sink thanN had been thought. Unfortunately this situation will not last beyond about 2050N according to models. Moderate climate warming by then will increase the lengthJ of the Amazonian dry season causing increased forest fires and turning the! Amazon rain forest into savanna. yG The program suggested this would result in a fairly rapid large rise innM atmospheric C02 levels. The warming produced by this would then warm the deep M oceans enough to destabilise the methyl hydrate on the Ocean floors resultingv$ in truly massive methane emmisions.   O Research suggests that this has happened in the past. The last occurrence beingdJ about 55 Million years ago. The reulting high temperatures were relatively? short lived - the climate settled down again after 60000 years.h  K (Note. The ocean's boiling is a reference to the release of the methane gas 3 not to the ocean's temperature exceeding 100C :) ).o    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University t   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:50:18 +0000 (UTC)m' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)   Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change+ Message-ID: <9gne9q$1kl$4@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>0  n In article <DZBX6.101460$%i7.75567406@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>, "Nikita V. Belenki" <public@kits.net> writes:? >"Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message ' >news:9glaft$2qp6$3@info.cs.uofs.edu...  >hH >> Is it not also just as likely that if the rainforest in Brazil wasn'tG >> being destroyed for no particularly good reason that the earth might-> >> in fact be able to consume all that CO2 int he first place. >rH >Rainforests don't consume CO2, because they don't produce anything likeJ >coal, turf or limestone. Their ability to bind carbon is limited to their: >biomass, and the density of such biomass is quite stable. >  >Kit.n >r  > Not according to Equinox on British TV a couple of nights ago.  < New research shows that the idea that the Amazon as a matureF forest was in balance is incorrect. The Biomass of the Amazon has beenD increasing probably due to a "air borne" fertiliser effect of havingM more C02 in the atmosphere. However this effect will not last and after abouto$ 2050 things may be set to get worse.  * See my other post for further information.  
 David Webb VMs and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:55:36 +0100i- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>s  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change) Message-ID: <3B2F1388.F57D7F52@bbc.co.uk>r   Robert Deininger wrote:g  J > In article <3B2E0364.2E31464A@bbc.co.uk>, tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk wrote:3 > > yet you still keep contibuting to the thread...S > Q > I'm trying to stop...  You'd be surprised how many replies I've deleted unsent.l >n > What's your excuse? ;-)o   trying to kill the thread :-)e   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk0  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of: MedAS or the BBC.i   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:24:12 +0000 (UTC) ' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)m2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?+ Message-ID: <9gncos$1kl$3@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>a   In article <rdeininger-1806011405140001@user-2iveamb.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:rG >In article <cBltdGkEXPPH@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scuma >(Malcolm Dunnett) wrote:i >o >wG >>    I meant that in the EU the largest member doesn't have an economyyE >> 10 times the size of the next largest participant, like in NAFTA.   >tH >But the EU must have a bigger gap, percentage-wise, between the biggest >and the smallest. >   L But the EU also acts to try and minimise these differences with development L grants etc. (One of the biggest stumbling blocks to enlargement is reform ofN this grant system - especially grants associated with the Common agricultural  policy).    B The British Government (and opposition) are loath to mention wordsO like federation or "United States of Europe". However the EU is closer to beingsC a "United States of Europe" than it is to being just a trade area. h  
 >> I thinkE >> the dynamics are quite different if you have several members with iG >> significant clout. The EU is also a much tighter alliance than NAFTA D >> (common currency, less restrictions on labour crossing borders ). >       
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:35:12 +0100j/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> 2 Subject: re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?7 Message-ID: <009FDC44.BFADE712.22@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   M > > How can you say the participants in the EU have relatively equal economic L > > power?!?  Germany and France clearly dominate, and there are a number of3 > > members who are TINY by any reasonable measure.o > A > Sorry for stepping although I think to keep politics out of cov   > would be best practice anyway.= > The second powerful econoy is cleary the UK I just read the > > numbers of the BIP for 2000. California is on the 10th place? > just behind UK. The numbers in billions Swiss Franks (sorry): A > USA 17640, Japan 8171, Germany 3305, UK 2505, France 2267, ...,e: > California 1065, Mexico 1038, Spain 1012, Australia 757.  eN I'm slightly surprised that nobody has yet pointed out that there are distinctJ similarities between the problems with distribution of voting power withinM the EU and within the USA. In other words, how does one balance the interestsmG of a large state like California with a small one like New Hampshire ore an unusual one like Alaska?   K The main difference is that the USA has been a federally-united country foriD a long time, whereas the EU states are independant sovereign states.I Where the EU goes from today is a political hot potato (too hot to handlerG in the UK!) Some see it as a voluntary association and free trade area,eO others as a federal superstate in the making, not a few would like it to becomeu that superstate. o  L (This posted mainly to inform USA folks. Further discussion of the politics / in a more appropriate forum than here, please!)m     	Yours,s
 		Nigel Arnotr- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   p  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:14:34 +010010 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?* Message-ID: <3B2F422A.25545FED@uk.sun.com>   Robert Deininger wrote:e > K > In article <3B2DE1B8.D08313EA@uk.sun.com>, Andrew.Harrison@Sun.COM wrote:V >  > : > > Yes it includes Ireland. The Irish voters have however8 > > voted against enlarging the EU to include Poland and! > > other prospective EU members.m > @ > That isn't _actually_ what the Irish referendum was about.  MyJ > understanding is that the big issue was giving up their veto on a numberL > of EU matters.  Folks tried to tie it to enlargement, but that was not the > primary concern as I read it.  >   , It was if I recollect a ratification of the . treaty of Nice. According to all the reportage, the primary issue was enlargement, but this , could have been a UK presses slant on Irish 	 politics.m   Regardse Andrew HarrisonR Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:54:38 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br 2 Subject: re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?L Message-ID: <OF8DE625C3.5D8A896D-ON03256A70.0040CC2D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  
 Hey, hey !  F Dont forget my Country: Brazil ! We are the 10th economy in the world.! We are greater than Russia  ! ! !l  I We should be in the G10  ! But we have a big problem here: the 2% richest6 have! 90% of the money of the country !p  > And nobody outside South-America knows anything about Brazil !1 They only know my country:  carnival and soccer ! 1 The first IBM factory outside USA was in Brazil !  DEC was here since  the  70s.nD USA dont know nothing about us and are our main commercial partner !A Portugal, Spain, Italy and France are much more close in culturalsJ asfects from us. We have the biggest  number of  japanese colonies outside9 Japan.  We have jewish and palestinian working together !   K But .... like Compaq and OpenVMS, my conuntry dont do the right marketing !d ! !      Fabioh              @ Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> em 19/06/2001 08:35:12  ; Favor responder a Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>d             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu      2 Assunto: re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?    D > > How can you say the participants in the EU have relatively equal economicI > > power?!?  Germany and France clearly dominate, and there are a numberl of3 > > members who are TINY by any reasonable measure.E >nA > Sorry for stepping although I think to keep politics out of cov.  > would be best practice anyway.= > The second powerful econoy is cleary the UK I just read thed> > numbers of the BIP for 2000. California is on the 10th place? > just behind UK. The numbers in billions Swiss Franks (sorry):rA > USA 17640, Japan 8171, Germany 3305, UK 2505, France 2267, ...,-: > California 1065, Mexico 1038, Spain 1012, Australia 757.  E I'm slightly surprised that nobody has yet pointed out that there are  distinctJ similarities between the problems with distribution of voting power withinC the EU and within the USA. In other words, how does one balance the 	 interests G of a large state like California with a small one like New Hampshire orc an unusual one like Alaska?s  K The main difference is that the USA has been a federally-united country foreD a long time, whereas the EU states are independant sovereign states.I Where the EU goes from today is a political hot potato (too hot to handleUG in the UK!) Some see it as a voluntary association and free trade area,iH others as a federal superstate in the making, not a few would like it to become that superstate.  K (This posted mainly to inform USA folks. Further discussion of the politicsp/ in a more appropriate forum than here, please!)p          Yours,n           Nigel Arnotp"           NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK  ?           "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:00:10 +0100p% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>t2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?8 Message-ID: <j4juitceg1ojbqaodcl13ch2rn34r4c2ir@4ax.com>  # On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:54:38 -0300,4* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:    J >We should be in the G10  ! But we have a big problem here: the 2% richest >haveC" >90% of the money of the country !   That's the case everywhere!k   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 16:04:41 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?* Message-ID: <3b2f5bf9$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  x In article <OF8DE625C3.5D8A896D-ON03256A70.0040CC2D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:G >Dont forget my Country: Brazil ! We are the 10th economy in the world. " >We are greater than Russia  ! ! ! >rJ >We should be in the G10  ! But we have a big problem here: the 2% richest' >have 90% of the money of the country !t  B And top 8% people have more than 80% of the common human brain ;-)
 Live with it.t  ? >And nobody outside South-America knows anything about Brazil !g2 >They only know my country:  carnival and soccer !  = Don't forget the Copa Cabana and the sugarhat (sp?) mountain.eJ And don't forget Brasilia, the first capital city built on a green meadow. ;-)   E btw: What is soccer ? It every country outside the USA, it was called F football (and the US people played _only_ American Football). Now thatG the US people do play the real football game, too, they decided to findCK another name for this (playing ball with the feet - and not with hands ;-).AE And since then (many years ago) every country is now badly influenceds% to call this game SOCCER (hawk spit).m  2 >The first IBM factory outside USA was in Brazil ! >DEC was here since  the  70s.E >USA dont know nothing about us and are our main commercial partner !dB >Portugal, Spain, Italy and France are much more close in culturalK >asfects from us. We have the biggest  number of  japanese colonies outside : >Japan.  We have jewish and palestinian working together !  K No wonder when you consider how much space/area/square-km your country has.   L >But .... like Compaq and OpenVMS, my conuntry dont do the right marketing !  3 There is much more to do better than the marketing.bI Stop the damage to the rain forrest, stop the environment pollution (esp.yJ the company you are employed at), stop the bribery/corruption in the govt.G Just to name a few. But now I'm getting off topic, so I'll stop here...c   -- e< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888i< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:39:48 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?, Message-ID: <9gno7m$1o46@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  \ "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message news:3b2f5bf9$1@news.kapsch.co.at...  G > btw: What is soccer ? It every country outside the USA, it was called 
 > football  H It's a contraction of  "association" football. Football on its own would obviously be rugby football ;)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:58:01 +0100m- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>.2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?) Message-ID: <3B2F3E49.6D980FF3@bbc.co.uk>d  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:   > Hey, hey ! >-H > Dont forget my Country: Brazil ! We are the 10th economy in the world.# > We are greater than Russia  ! ! !  >jK > We should be in the G10  ! But we have a big problem here: the 2% richesti > have# > 90% of the money of the country !Z >.@ > And nobody outside South-America knows anything about Brazil !3 > They only know my country:  carnival and soccer !l3 > The first IBM factory outside USA was in Brazil !f > DEC was here since  the  70s. F > USA dont know nothing about us and are our main commercial partner !C > Portugal, Spain, Italy and France are much more close in culturalhL > asfects from us. We have the biggest  number of  japanese colonies outside; > Japan.  We have jewish and palestinian working together !n >i  0 hey Fabio, you didn't even mention the babes:-).  L Anyway, must be because you don't play cricket :-). Sure got the climate for it.t   regards  --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukk  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of- MedAS or the BBC.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:16:14 -0400m2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1906011216140001@user-2ivecjc.dialup.mindspring.com>  I In article <3B2F422A.25545FED@uk.sun.com>, Andrew.Harrison@Sun.COM wrote:<    e. > It was if I recollect a ratification of the 0 > treaty of Nice. According to all the reportage. > the primary issue was enlargement, but this . > could have been a UK presses slant on Irish  > politics.a  F I read a few days ago that Ireland has someone titled "commissioner ofF referendums" or some such.  This official wrote a blurb about the NiceB treaty, giving both sides of the issue, and it was mailed to everyB household.  The article I read claimed that EU enlargement was notG mentioned.  For what it's worth.  I'm certainly not close to first-handd information.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:22:21 -0300e) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brl2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?L Message-ID: <OF5CDB839D.AB6C9BDF-ON03256A70.0059CBF1@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  * Babes ? Get away your sexual tourist ! :-)  , Cricket, Golf, Tenis .... so boring sports !  C By the way .... what sport the OpenVMS marketing should sponsor ???    Regards    FC        > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> em 19/06/2001 08:58:01  9 Favor responder a Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>u             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm      2 Assunto: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?        * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:   > Hey, hey ! >lH > Dont forget my Country: Brazil ! We are the 10th economy in the world.# > We are greater than Russia  ! ! !t >TK > We should be in the G10  ! But we have a big problem here: the 2% richestt > have# > 90% of the money of the country !  > @ > And nobody outside South-America knows anything about Brazil !3 > They only know my country:  carnival and soccer !u3 > The first IBM factory outside USA was in Brazil !x > DEC was here since  the  70s.TF > USA dont know nothing about us and are our main commercial partner !C > Portugal, Spain, Italy and France are much more close in cultural D > asfects from us. We have the biggest  number of  japanese colonies outsided; > Japan.  We have jewish and palestinian working together !  >h  0 hey Fabio, you didn't even mention the babes:-).  H Anyway, must be because you don't play cricket :-). Sure got the climate forh it.t   regards> --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukt  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofc MedAS or the BBC.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:36:28 +0100f" From: Nic P Clews <nclews@csc.com> Subject: [OT] VMS news@ Message-ID: <OFD49AD584.D7D1631E-ON80256A70.003F6B32@eu.csc.com>   Stumbled across this:n  $ http://www.vidmedia.com/vms_news.htm   I particularly like:  5 "The Montel Williams Show Hires VMS for Two Projects"n  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at cs  dot come   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:44:07 +0100e  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: [OT] VMS newsH Message-ID: <OF1C657792.7A69B960-ON80256A70.004061CC@qedi.quintiles.com>  
 I like it!' I like "VMS Goes Underwater" even more!    Steve.   Nic Clews wrote: >>>c Stumbled across this:g  $ http://www.vidmedia.com/vms_news.htm   I particularly like:  5 "The Montel Williams Show Hires VMS for Two Projects"i <<<    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:25:15 -0400p# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>t Subject: Re: [OT] VMS news+ Message-ID: <3B2F52BB.C03561E5@hsc.vcu.edu>y  F i bought some straws at the local Ukrops supermarket....  then noticed the  Vertical
  Marketing   System  / on it............  actually labled VMS....  ;-)   ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:i   > I like it!) > I like "VMS Goes Underwater" even more!- >- > Steve. >- > Nic Clews wrote: > >>>0 > Stumbled across this:  >m& > http://www.vidmedia.com/vms_news.htm >c > I particularly like: >f7 > "The Montel Williams Show Hires VMS for Two Projects". > <<<    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.338 ************************