1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 20 Jun 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 339       Contents: Re: Bold heading on a report Re: COMPAQ eBUSINESS& Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation& Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation& Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation& Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation& Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3 - Re: DQ driver (was: link err on $LOAD_DRIVER) , Free VMS DCL emulator for Linux/UNIX/Windows Re: FreeVMS ! Re: High MP sync fixed in VMS 7.3 ' Re: How to make $SET HOST work, et. al. 4 Re: How to see who causes execessive login failures.+ Re: I/O completion ASTs firing prematurely? + Re: I/O completion ASTs firing prematurely?  Re: LAT-problem SYSTEM-F-HANGUP  Re: LAT-problem SYSTEM-F-HANGUP 8 Re: les$acp_v30 looping (was: Re: les$acp_v30 need help) les$acp_v30 need help  les$acp_v30 need help 0 Manuf. Production/Contrl Software For $1,495.00. Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing  Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing  Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing  Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing  Re: OpenVMS Applications Re: OpenVMS Applications Re: OpenVMS Applications2 Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux; Re: Pathworks or AdvancedServer for Hobbyist? Alternatives?  PGP for VMS  Re: PGP for VMS - Re: Problem with large queue lengths on disk. : Problem with Oracle 8i Advanced Replication Manager on VMS Re: Raid Array 3000 + 2 ES40s 9 Re: Remote connection error on OVMS 7.2 and Oracle 7.3...  SCSI Parity Errors Re: SCSI Parity Errors Re: TCPIP$CONFIGURE won't exit Re: TCPIP$CONFIGURE won't exit9 Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)  tt Re: tt Re: tt" Re: Unix join utility for openvms?" Re: Unix join utility for openvms?" Re: Unix join utility for openvms?  XML Import / Export for OpenVMS?$ Re: XML Import / Export for OpenVMS?$ Re: XML Import / Export for OpenVMS?$ Re: XML Import / Export for OpenVMS? Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? 6 [Q] Is there a non-CA replacement for Console Manager?: Re: [Q] Is there a non-CA replacement for Console Manager?: Re: [Q] Is there a non-CA replacement for Console Manager?: Re: [Q] Is there a non-CA replacement for Console Manager?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:58:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> % Subject: Re: Bold heading on a report , Message-ID: <3B2FA0DF.D6A8A81B@videotron.ca>   Clayton Kroh wrote: 5 > I'd like to bold a heading on a report generated by 7 > COBOL program.  I have the proper line controls coded : > in the program (namely WRITE PRINT-LINE BEFORE ADVANCING9 > 0 LINES) as is shown in the example in the COBOL manual  > for bolding.  F Does your cobol program generate a VMS file that persists after it hasE finished running ? You might want to look at the file characteristics 9 (DIR/FULL) of the output file. It might reveal something.   K If it is fortran carriage control, the first character of each line denotes N special handling, and if I remember correctly, overprinting means a "0" in the first position. (but not sure).   L Another thing to check would be the select statement for the output, perhapsJ you need to specify some attributes to ensure that Cobol knows you will be# using carriage control information.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:07:38 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: COMPAQ eBUSINESS , Message-ID: <3B2FA2F5.A388C21F@videotron.ca>  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:= > Nobody before me said to them  OpenVMS has an EDI software.   > I said, but it  was too late !   Does DECedi still exist ?   L Is there a list of former DEC  VMS software packages that are still actively supported by *Compaq* ?   N During the palmer years, I lost track of what package was abandonned and whichM one was sold off, so in my mind, it seems that Compaq has very little left in  terms of VMS software.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:54:33 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> / Subject: Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation , Message-ID: <3B2F9FE6.6C57AA19@videotron.ca>   Bob Kaplow wrote: J > Say, I'd been wondering how much of Compaq HQ might be flooded after theG > storm that recently hit Houston. A friend sent me some pretty graphic L > pictures from down there, showing roads and bridges under water, etc. ManyJ > were from near the Compaq Center. It's supposed to be the worst flooding > they've ever had.    That's it !   K Compaq will buy back the old mill and move back to Maynard since its HQ isn ( Houston were flooded :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 15:11:27 -0500# From: medleyb@ev1.net (Bert Medley) / Subject: Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation : Message-ID: <Xns90C59A97BDB96medleybev1net@207.218.245.68>   [posted and mailed]   8 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in 1 <JaBX6.1461$wU6.1981124@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>:    > www.acersoft.com   Terry,  H Your back issues section at this site is woefully out of date (1999 and ! earlier only?)  Please elucidate!    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:22:06 +0100 , From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c*m>/ Subject: Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation 1 Message-ID: <9goc6a$qi2$1@uranium.btinternet.com>    Hi,   - I'm sure it's Global Warming! Waddaya reakon?    Regards Richard Maher.  D Bob Kaplow <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars> wrote in message- news:R4cKjQXhWf5C@eisner.encompasserve.org... H > In article <JaBX6.1461$wU6.1981124@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C., Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:H > > Big Things are about to happen in Houston. Most of these things will haveH > > far-reaching ramifications. Shannon Knows Compaq subscribers will of courseC > > be apprised of these developments within the next several days.  > J > Say, I'd been wondering how much of Compaq HQ might be flooded after theG > storm that recently hit Houston. A friend sent me some pretty graphic L > pictures from down there, showing roads and bridges under water, etc. ManyJ > were from near the Compaq Center. It's supposed to be the worst flooding > they've ever had.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:05:30 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>/ Subject: Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation < Message-ID: <K0QX6.5060$P46.3178015@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  0 "Bert Medley" <medleyb@ev1.net> wrote in message4 news:Xns90C59A97BDB96medleybev1net@207.218.245.68... > [posted and mailed]  > 9 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in 3 > <JaBX6.1461$wU6.1981124@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>:  >  > > www.acersoft.com >  > Terry, > I > Your back issues section at this site is woefully out of date (1999 and # > earlier only?)  Please elucidate!   L My paid subscribers (who have all the back issues, since they are paying forF a service) will have the details on the transformation within the next couple of days.    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2001 20:53:20 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.563109.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell) / Subject: Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation . Message-ID: <nfbz$LM8+6IO@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  o In article <R4cKjQXhWf5C@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes: u > In article <JaBX6.1461$wU6.1981124@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: L >> Big Things are about to happen in Houston. Most of these things will haveN >> far-reaching ramifications. Shannon Knows Compaq subscribers will of courseB >> be apprised of these developments within the next several days. > J > Say, I'd been wondering how much of Compaq HQ might be flooded after theG > storm that recently hit Houston. A friend sent me some pretty graphic L > pictures from down there, showing roads and bridges under water, etc. ManyJ > were from near the Compaq Center. It's supposed to be the worst flooding > they've ever had.     L It was quite an adventure for many people in the area.  I pretty much missedN the actual downpour, since I was in Dallas at the time.  I did have to take anE alternate route coming home the next day, cutting across to US 59 via M Huntsville and Livingston, since I-45 was underwater in the Conroe vicinity.  N Fortunuately, my brother called early saturday morning and warned me, since he- knows I don't pay much attention to the news.   M Much to my relief, my own neighborhood in Atascocita, Walden on Lake Houston, N didn't flood at all. Just looking around, I couldn't tell anything unusual hadF happened.  Atascocita is about 25 miles northeast of downtown Houston.  K My sister-in-law's mother had about 7 inches of water in the house, and her J daughters were unable to get to her area to check on her, coming from both4 north and south.  Many areas flooded up to the roof.  N My neighbor across the street had left his pickup at the airport, and returnedK to find it in water up to the top of the seats.  It was pretty much a total L loss, considering that all the electrical stuff was completely waterlogged. K His office on the tollway had also flooded, including the PC he had bought  & his secretary a couple of days before.  M I don't know how many of the pictures the c.o.v readers saw, especially those L in other countries, but the flooding coverage was pretty much nonstop on theM local stations.  Interstate 10 looked like a river rather than a freeway, and J the water was to the *top* of the 18-wheelers!  In fact, some of them wereJ floating around.  It was a while before the water receded enough to reveal? there were cars down there too, some with people still in them.   O Even though I didn't get flooded personally, the event did have an effect on me J in that ATM machines and credit card authorizations were not working for aM couple of days, both because of comm problems and because the control centers N were taken out (geographically separated vmsclusters, anyone?).  Groceries andI gas were a little hard to come by until the trucks could get through.  We 1 weren't flooded, but the freeway approaches were.    --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== K Hotel guy (after bed demolition):  That bed goes back to Henry the eighth!! O    Curly: That's nothin'!  We had a bed go back to Sears and Roebuck the fifth!    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2001 21:05:21 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.563109.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell) ( Subject: Re: DCL READ problem in VMS 7.3. Message-ID: <Cq$iVgfRLQdd@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  c In article <3B2F7D77.2B3CEACD@CCAgroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes: ( > paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote: >>   >> Chris Sharman wrote: K >> >This sounds like something that could bite most of us, sooner or later. L >> >Has anyone got a DCL fixing tool ? It would be a prime candidate for the6 >> >freeware area and/or the Compaq public patch area. >>  M >> I am sure this will.  If it is changed ... whatever happened to the famous  >> backward compatiblity?  >>  K >> I am at 7.2 on my alphas (no sign of 7.3 yet).  The help still says that  >> TRADITIONAL is the default. >  > Still traditional on 7.3.  > M >> All my disks are set to ODS2.  I have no desire to encourage my users into  >> s(b)illiness. > J > Well, yes, but a lot of my users are heading billyward whether I like itE > or not. Me too, come to that (finally given up waiting for a decent J > browser). If/when I want to use ODS5, I'm going to have a lot of commandG > procedures, and maybe other code, to mend. The DCL would certainly be > > nice to automate - it would be hard to do 3gl code, I think.     I have one ods-5 disk.    O Disk HARDY$DKB100:, device type RZ28, is online, mounted, file-oriented device, >     shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled.     [...]   O     Volume label         "BILLYDISK"    Relative volume number                0    [...]   J   Volume Status:  ODS-5, subject to mount verification, write-back caching       enabled.K   Volume is also mounted on GROCHO, CHICO, CURLY, LARRY, HARPO, HARDY, MOE.      :-)     K I originally initialized the thing solely for testing of ods-5 backups with M tapesys 6.0.  However, I suddenly had to start using it operationally against M my will.  Installation of Netbeans *requires* an ODS-5 disk.  I'm afraid this H may be a trend.  I mean, it's nice to have stuff ported to vms, but it'sM unfortunate that the eunuchs/billy filename baggage comes along for the ride.    --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== K Hotel guy (after bed demolition):  That bed goes back to Henry the eighth!! O    Curly: That's nothin'!  We had a bed go back to Sears and Roebuck the fifth!    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:12:09 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)6 Subject: Re: DQ driver (was: link err on $LOAD_DRIVER)3 Message-ID: <ZBMX6.1595$fi2.49700@news.cpqcorp.net>   a In article <qiJX6.4244$Ib.459916@news1.primary.net>, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> writes: H :If there is a real DQ driver, does that mean IDE ports will be standard :equipment on future Alphas?    D   IDE ports are standard on certain existing Alpha systems.  Salient'   example: the AlphaServer DS10 series.   E   I'm not in a position to predict the standard equipment to be found    on future Alpha systems.  " :Maybe even CD-R or CD-RW support?  F   Tools are available.  Support is not.  If you want to continue your E   "eye-opening adventures", go read about the "fun" involved in CD-R  H   and CD-RW support that can be found in the CDRECORD and CDWRITE tools.D   Pointers to CD-R and CD-RW sites and tools are in the OpenVMS FAQ.  H   We have tried various widgets on IDE, using the IO$_DIAGNOSE function    code option..     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:37:05 GMT ! From: jim@accelr8.com (Jim Reiss) 5 Subject: Free VMS DCL emulator for Linux/UNIX/Windows < Message-ID: <lZMX6.47724$aW5.560869@dfw-read.news.verio.net>  @ Accelr8 Technology Corporation announces the availability of theC latest version of its freely distributable emulation of the VMS DCL E command language interpreter, Open DCL Lite.  Previously available on A Windows NT and Linux platforms, this new release is available for " a wider selection of platforms at:   http:www.accelr8.com/dcll.html  . The supported platform list now is as follows:   Alpha AXP Linux 4 Alpha Digital UNIX/Tru64 UNIX version 4.0D and later) H-P PA-RISC HP-UX version 10.20 and later ' IBM RS/6000 AIX version 4.1.5 and later  Intel x86 Linux : Microsoft Windows NT and 2000 (some support for Win 9x/Me) MIPS ABI compliant systems SGI IRIX 6.x! Sun SPARC Solaris 2.5.1 and later * Ultralinux (Linux for the SPARC processor)  F This software is a working subset of Accelr8's Open DCL product and isE given away as a sample of Accelr8's VMS-to-UNIX/Windows migration and: interoperability software. --I  Jim Reiss (jim@accelr8.com)    Accelr8 Technology, Denver, Colorado, USA8   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:15:24 GMTp2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: FreeVMS3 Message-ID: <0FMX6.1596$fi2.49830@news.cpqcorp.net>i  { In article <slrn9iutga.ii9.bertrand@perceval.cnam.fr>, bertrand@perceval.cnam.fr (BERTRAND =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=EBl?=) writes:o  8 :	I have seen an old project named FreeVMS. Its goal was; :to clone VMS with a Gnu Public Licence. This project seemsp: :to be dead. So I research anyone that has time to restart :this project.  D   OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha are available to hobbyists for free.  H   With the hobbyist Charon-VAX, you can run OpenVMS VAX on an Intel box.  5   The Free-VMS website pointer is in the OpenVMS FAQ..  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 11:43:40 -0700( From: kparris@my-deja.com (Keith Parris)* Subject: Re: High MP sync fixed in VMS 7.3= Message-ID: <cb85fed2.0106191043.2b5b2077@posting.google.com>.  Z "Kenneth" <best@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<9fo1gj$o111@imsp212.netvigator.com>...L > I learn from the release note in VMS 7.3 saying there introduce a new lockB > manager which would fix the high CPU utilization of the MP sync.  D The lock manager might or might not be a major factor in the high MPC sync. time you're seeing, so the first step I would advise that youpD take is to determine what spinlock is under the most contention, andE what portions of VMS code are contending the most for that particularO	 spinlock.c  D Thanks to the efforts of Christian Moser, VMS 7.3 has a neat new SDAD extension called SPL that allows tracing of spinlock activity.  HaveF your friendly CSC help you take some spinlock traces and analyze them.D  We'd be interested in hearing what you find out, and may be able to help more at that point.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:42:27 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e0 Subject: Re: How to make $SET HOST work, et. al., Message-ID: <3B2F9D0F.5CDF0447@videotron.ca>   Robert Deininger wrote:-K > Now hold on!  You're trying to do a fairly complex set of configurations,0I > you seem to be very new, and you aren't reading the manuals much.  This:J > stuff is very well documented.  Don't blame the OS for things you didn'tJ > know at birth!  None of the rest of us knew this stuff either, we had to > learn it.   M But when you look at networking with Appletalk/Appleshare for instance, it isP' far more "plug and play" than with VMS.     J > Piffle!  Most of the things you are trying, aren't even possible in W2K!K > (Actually, I don't know W2K.  I'm just repeating the group's dogma... :-)u  L The average user doesn't care if there is a distributed lock manager or not.E He just wants to access files that reside on another machine or sharefN printers. And in that sense, the Apple and even Windows are perhaps simpler to setup than VMS.   B On the other hand, one of VMS's historical strenghths has been itsM documentation. If you want to setup a serial DECnet link between two machinescI (with decnet 4, of course), the decnet-4 manuals provide the step by stepcM instructions with examples on how to set it up. (Based on the contents of the1 big grey binders).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:38:07 +0200 2 From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcormail.de>= Subject: Re: How to see who causes execessive login failures.i+ Message-ID: <3B3036BF.4080608@arcormail.de>   A Assumin it's the same source causing problems, you probably mighte@ want to change one of the LGI-Parameters (I dont remember which)@ which stops including the device name in the intrusion detectionB algorithmus. You wont have intrusions otherwise if the device name changes all the time!t   Thomas   Piet Timmers wrote:   g > "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcormail.de> wrote in message news:<3B2EFE1B.9080704@arcormail.de>...F > < >> This seems to be a terminal with something lying onto the< >> return key... You should have now some intrusion records,+ >> don't you? There you can see the source.  >  > > > That is one of the problems, there are no intrusion records. >  > 	 >> Thomaso >> f     -- t9 Thomas H. Pauli, Hammersteinstr.19, 14199 Berlin, Germanyn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:24:25 +0100t+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> 4 Subject: Re: I/O completion ASTs firing prematurely?' Message-ID: <3B2FB4F9.A7953831@iee.org>d   David Jones wrote:L > The observed behaviour was consistent with Brian's hypothesis that the ASTJ > was being delivered without filling in the IOSB (the AST merely performsM > a condition signal which would be treated as spurious by the waiting threadb > if the IOSB was still zero).  / It is also consistent with the much more likelym0 hypothesis that the driver just plain lost track2 the I/O. From experience (mainly of tracking down 5 and fixing such stuff) I can tell you that it is easyl to do and hard to find!    Antonioy   -- a   ----------------- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgu   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:46:12 GMTj2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)4 Subject: Re: I/O completion ASTs firing prematurely?3 Message-ID: <oSOX6.1602$fi2.49760@news.cpqcorp.net>e  U In article <3B2FB4F9.A7953831@iee.org>, "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:a :  :s :David Jones wrote:eM :> The observed behaviour was consistent with Brian's hypothesis that the ASTnK :> was being delivered without filling in the IOSB (the AST merely performsaN :> a condition signal which would be treated as spurious by the waiting thread :> if the IOSB was still zero).p :s0 :It is also consistent with the much more likely1 :hypothesis that the driver just plain lost track 3 :the I/O. From experience (mainly of tracking down  6 :and fixing such stuff) I can tell you that it is easy :to do and hard to find!    J   My favorite variants of the zero-IOSB-upon-AST -- which I've seen on andG   tracked down on a number occasions -- involve application code which oJ   allocates the IOSB in volatile memory (eg: on the stack "below" a stack G   frame which will persist), and code which shares IOSBs.  You can findmL   all sorts of interesting stuff in one of these corrupted IOSBs, including 2   zeros and including real and valid status codes.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:56:09 -0400e( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>( Subject: Re: LAT-problem SYSTEM-F-HANGUP+ Message-ID: <3B2FAE59.145851D2@bigfoot.com>f  > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>( Are the ports on the TS set to NOHANGUP? <p>HM@ <p>Thomas Egenberger wrote:. <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hi,cG <br>we have an application connected to several Dec Terminal Server 300h via LAT.F <br>After porting the application from Fortran VAX-VMS 5.5-2 (MicroVax 3100)&nbsp; toF <br>Fortran Alpha-OpenVMS 7.21 (DS10) we have sporadic Hangup-Problems	 from some.H <br>(not all, and not always the same) Terminalserver so that every portF <br>connected to these Servers receives a SS$_HANGUP in the IOSB of an asyncf  <br>QIO - Read at the same time.G <p>There was a change made to the Network. We removed the star-couplersm andwB <br>bridges and replaced them with Fast Ethernet workgroup switch. <p>Any Ideas ?</blockquote>d </html>e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:28:37 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Re: LAT-problem SYSTEM-F-HANGUP3 Message-ID: <VBOX6.1601$fi2.49847@news.cpqcorp.net>l  V In article <3B2FAE59.145851D2@bigfoot.com>, Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> writes:  <   Please turn off HTML when posting to comp.os.vms.  Thanks!   Thomas Egenberger wrote:  D :we have an application connected to several Dec Terminal Server 300C :via LAT. After porting the application from Fortran VAX-VMS 5.5-2  H :(MicroVax 3100); to Fortran Alpha-OpenVMS 7.21 (DS10) we have sporadic M :Hangup-Problems from some (not all, and not always the same) Terminalserver hL :so that every port connected to these Servers receives a SS$_HANGUP in the K :IOSB of an async QIO - Read at the same time.  There was a change made to  I :the Network. We removed the star-couplers and bridges and replaced them y2 :with Fast Ethernet workgroup switch.  Any Ideas ?     Could be most anything.  r  K   Since you are using asynchronous $qio calls, I'd first suggest reviewing oH   the Ask The Wizard topic (1661) for a list of some of the more common G   sorts of programming errors that can creep into an environment.  Somet.   of these errors can be latent for decades...  I   If every port in the terminal server generates a SS$_HANGUP, I'd start gJ   looking at the network itself -- for a test, move the DECserver over to H   a very simple network configuration, and see if you can duplicate the I   error.  If not, start adding "stuff" -- the network widgets, the extra  G   cabling, etc -- back into the network configuration, looking for the  
   trigger.  @   Have you tried a terminal server other than the DECserver 300?    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:56:24 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)A Subject: Re: les$acp_v30 looping (was: Re: les$acp_v30 need help)s3 Message-ID: <cUPX6.1608$fi2.50022@news.cpqcorp.net>c  T In article <9gof7d$ngp@netnews.hinet.net>, "nelson" <nelsonyo@ms1.hinet.net> writes:  & :My system is vax6620 with openvms5.5.  I   V5.5 and not V5.5-2 or V5.5-2H4?  (There's almost no chance that a new tI   fix will get created for V5.5, as prior version support contracts only y)   go back as far as V5.5-2 and V5.5-2H4.)o  M   I would strongly encourage an upgrade to a more recent OpenVMS VAX release.=N   (Yes, this is not a fun situation -- you've a moldy and old OpenVMS release L   and you have (unspecified) factors that make it difficult to upgrade your 7   application(s) to a more recent OpenVMS VAX release.)h   M :I found a bug ,the les$acp_v30 will occupied large cpu utilization and cause@K :my real-time AP crash.I checked www.openvms.com ,this is a bug and need tobM :install openvms 7.0 patch to avoid.But  I can't upgrade OS to 7.0 ,due to APB :architecture .C  I   OpenVMS VAX is rather consistent across recent releases, with the last .J   major release being V6.0 -- once you get upgraded from V5.5 (or V5.5-2) K   to V6.0 (or V6.1 or V6.2), then you should be able to run both user-mode nJ   and kernel-mode code on V7.3.  In other words, OpenVMS VAX V7.0 was NOT 9   a major upgrade and not a major release on OpenVMS VAX.a  I :Is anybody know how to avoid or correct this bug by change vms or decnetb' :setting or modify programming method ?7  A   Off-hand, I do not know what factor(s) might trigger this loop.T  J   Which version of DECnet-Plus (DECnet OSI) and which ECO are you running?  L   The oldest ECO kit that I can find that reports a fix for this problem is 2   for OpenVMS VAX V6.1 and V6.2, and specifically:  #     dec-vaxvms-dnvosieco10-v0603--4n  I   This kit will not work prior the availability of PCSI, and your OpenVMS )   VAX release predates PCSI availability.v  J   If this really is V5.5-2 or V5.5-2H4, formally report the problem to the.   folks at the Compaq Customer Support Center?    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:26:59 +0800 ' From: "nelson" <nelsonyo@ms1.hinet.net>R Subject: les$acp_v30 need help* Message-ID: <9gof7d$ngp@netnews.hinet.net>   Hi:z I have a problem. % My system is vax6620 with openvms5.5.eL I found a bug ,the les$acp_v30 will occupied large cpu utilization and causeJ my real-time AP crash.I checked www.openvms.com ,this is a bug and need toL install openvms 7.0 patch to avoid.But  I can't upgrade OS to 7.0 ,due to AP architecture .H Is anybody know how to avoid or correct this bug by change vms or decnet& setting or modify programming method ? Please provide your solution.= Thanks very much nelson nelsonyo@ms1.hinet.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:28:51 +0800m' From: "nelson" <nelsonyo@ms1.hinet.net>n Subject: les$acp_v30 need help* Message-ID: <9gofat$nli@netnews.hinet.net>   Hi:= I have a problem.=% My system is vax6620 with openvms5.5. L I found a bug ,the les$acp_v30 will occupied large cpu utilization and causeJ my real-time AP crash.I checked www.openvms.com ,this is a bug and need toL install openvms 7.0 patch to avoid.But  I can't upgrade OS to 7.0 ,due to AP architecture .H Is anybody know how to avoid or correct this bug by change vms or decnet& setting or modify programming method ? Please provide your solution.n Thanks very much nelson nelsonyo@ms1.hinet.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:22:28 +0001e! From: mario <jane0l2l@excite.com> 9 Subject: Manuf. Production/Contrl Software For $1,495.00. - Message-ID: <0GF7005OCH8HU6@mx.west.saic.com>l  F Job Master, a complete, user friendly Windows based software package,=F  can manage and control your operation from sales quote to shipment. = =20   F For one week only, Job Master, normally $2,495.00, is on sale for a t=F otal price of $1,495.00.  In order for you to receive this $1,000.00 =1 savings we must have your order by June 22th. =20p  F Job Master is designed specifically for small to medium sized manufac=F turers, and costs many thousands of dollars less than any other even =% remotely comparable software package.I  F Following is a list of features. If you have any questions, would lik=F e to discuss the package further, or if you would like to obtain our =F Web site address for a total walk through of the program, please call=F  me directly at (661)254-9926(please do not E Mail me back.  I may no=F t get your message if you simply hit "Reply" and respond to this mess= age via return E Mail).-  F By way of background, we are a software company, which for some years=F  has specialized in the development of custom software, primarily for=F  small to medium sized manufacturers.  Job Master is a distillation o=F f over a million and a half dollars of software we have developed to =? control and manage the production of our manufacturing clients.t  + Job Master contains the following features:o  F 1. QUOTATION MODULE.  In this module, quotes are developed, modified,=F  and produced for sending to your client.  A history is kept of all q=F uotes for future reference, or modification for other clients.  All q=F uotations and revisions are "auto numbered," including versions.  The=F  quotes section allows for the entry of parts/processes, and costing =F of each, including materials, labor, markup, and taxes.  Inventory st=5 atus can be accessed from this section for reference.   F 2. SALES ORDER.  Once a quotation is accepted, the final quotation in=F formation can be transformed into a Sales Order for your client's sig=F nature on a "point and click" basis.  The Sales Order can be modified=F  and re issued if necessary.  A history if kept of all Sales Orders f=F or future reference, or modification for other clients.  All sales or=F ders and revisions are "auto numbered," including versions.  Inventor=9 y status can be accessed from this section for reference.9  F 3. CUSTOMER LETTERS can be created from the Quotation and Sales Order=
  sections.  F 4. SHOP TRAVELER/WORK ORDER.  Once a Sales Order is accepted, the sal=F es order information can be transformed into a shop traveler/work ord=F er on a "point and click" basis.  Each item on the Sales Order become=F s a shop traveler/work order, with each step of production of the ite=F m then listed on the traveler/work order.  Each such traveler/work or=F der is tied back into the Sales Order.  The shop traveler/work order =F allows for the entry of line items, and notes on each line item. The =F shop traveler/work order contains a "notes" section.  The Shop travel=F er/work order allows for the storing or attachment of drawings to the=F  traveler/work order.  The shop traveler/work order also contains a "=F drop down," from which standard processes can be selected for inclusi=F on on the shop traveler/work order.  The shop traveler/work order num=F bers progress in order of production sequence, and re numbers them if=F  new steps are added.  The shop traveler/work order allows for change=8  orders or revisions, and numbers changes in sequence ofF he original shop traveler/work order number; i.e., 100, 100-1, 100-2,=F  etc.  All shop traveler/work orders and related revisions are retain=F ed in memory for future reference.  The shop traveler/work order is b=F ar coded for tracking of production step by step, and production of o=F ngoing client status reports.  Bar coding includes the ability for an=F  employee to "swipe" their own ID bar code for recording in the syste=F m as to who upgraded what step.  The shop traveler/work order functio=F n also allows for manual update of production status.  The shop trave=F ler/work order allows for quality control sign off, and the final pro=F duction of certifications, either from a "canned" list, or hand typed=  in on a case by case basis.  F 5. INVENTORY.  The application includes an inventory section, which a=F llows operations to check materials inventory in and out.  The invent=F ory section allows for the comparison of inventory received against a=F  P.O., and produces an "overage/underage" report of inventory receive=F d as compared against the P.O.  The inventory section allows for the =F setting of minimum (re-order now!) and maximum inventory amounts, and=F  produces reports showing what inventory needs to be ordered, as well=F  as inventory that is at or above the maximum set to have in house.  =F  The inventory section also tracks "partially shipped" orders, which =F are tied in to the shipping function.  This section shows how much co=F mpleted product under a particular order has been actually shipped to=F  a client, and how much remains to be shipped.  The balance is adjust= ed as shipments are made.   F 6. REQUEST FOR PURCHASE.  The application allows operators to produce=F  a Request For Purchase for accounting for any inventory items, which=F  need to be ordered.  Inventory items have a drop down of approved ve= ndors for each item.  F 7. REQUEST FOR BID.   The application allows operators to produce a R=F equest For Bid for accounting to send to Vendors for any inventory it=F ems, which need to be ordered.  Inventory items have a drop down of a=D pproved vendors for each item to which Requests For Bid can be sent.  F 8. INVOICE.  The application produces an invoice/invoice detail for a=9 ll completed items ready to be billed/shipped to clients..  F 9. PRODUCTION OUTPUT STATUS.  The application produces a date range s=F electable report on how much product, and the value of the product, w=F hich was completed during a selected date range.  The application als=F o produces a report on how many orders, and the value of those orders=< , which remain to be completed during a selected date range.  F 10. The application produces SHIPPING DOCUMENTS as per selected shipp=! ers, and produces a PACKING SLIP.e  F 11. The application has a "FIND" FUNCTION in selected sections, allow=: ing for searches by customer name, work order number, etc.  F 12. The application has "AUTO FILL;" i.e., when an operator starts to=F  type in a name, number, etc. all related information auto fills afte=0 r the first few letters or numbers are typed in.  F Job Master is currently being sold in the marketplace for $2,495.00 p=F er package.  However, if we receive your order by June 22th, your tot= al price will be $1,495.00.u  F Again, if you have any questions at all, or would like to place your =D order, please call me on my direct line, (661) 254-9926.  Thank you!     Mario Chavez Application Sales, Inc.   F ---------------------------------------------------------------------= -t  F You have received this newsletter because you signed up for updates o=F n our tracking software.  If you want to unsubscribe from this newsle=C tter, please send a reply email with "REMOVE" in the subject line.=t =20i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:02:21 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>w( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing, Message-ID: <3B2FA1B8.5F5D829D@videotron.ca>  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:: > >Palmer really should be the next inmate in Terre Haute. > >- > % > Let's get Gates there first please.1  M When Palmer finally left, I was really hoping that with all the brownosing hel* did, he would get a good job at Microsoft.  L Think of it. That is what he deserved, and that is definitely what MicrosoftN deserved too. And a few years later, Palmer would be able to brag about having= saved the world from Microsoft by running it into the ground.s  K And when you think about it, MS would have started to divest itself of manyeN products, and started to market Linux more than Windows, and quickly hope thatB someone would step in and offer to buy what was left of microsoft.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2001 19:11:23 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)c( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing' Message-ID: <9go84r$spg$1@joe.rice.edu>y  . JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca) wrote:M : And when you think about it, MS would have started to divest itself of manyuL : products, and started to market Linux more than Windows, and quickly hope I : that someone would step in and offer to buy what was left of microsoft.t  C Microsoft prefers FreeBSD. They use it for DNS servers for Hotmail,i& and have used it in Windows 2000, per:  '    http://www.msnbc.com/news/588803.aspd   --Jerry Leslie         ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:46:11 -0700-% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>t( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing) Message-ID: <3B2FC823.E886F614@rdrop.com>n   Jerry Leslie wrote:- > E > Microsoft prefers FreeBSD. They use it for DNS servers for Hotmail,d( > and have used it in Windows 2000, per: > ) >    http://www.msnbc.com/news/588803.asp0   Now *that's* funny!    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:04:09 GMTD4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing< Message-ID: <t%PX6.5058$P46.3176566@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   Someone wrote.   > >o: > >Palmer really should be the next inmate in Terre Haute.  G Obviously you lost several billion dollars on DEC stock. Otherwise, you * apparently like to run your mouth off! ;-}   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:16:42 -0700r+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>l! Subject: Re: OpenVMS Applicationss( Message-ID: <3B2F970A.F688AD0A@mmaz.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: > >> > I > Y'know, an AS/200 with three RZ40's in a pizza box (does that work?) isoH > probably a "bigger", faster config than some VAX installations of that > day...  U Anyone remember back during the Spring Anaheim DECUS in the early 80's when DECUS was S selling VAX 11/725's on the cheap?  I think they were asking about $6k.  I rememberaT because our company snags one and though it was cute, about the size of R2D2, it wasW about as useless too.  Even when compared to a 11/785, it was sooooo slow...  I believe.H that machine ranked and the bottom end of the VAX line by a long shot...   Barrym     --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOr  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:51:03 -0400 2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>! Subject: Re: OpenVMS Applicationse3 Message-ID: <WWOX6.1604$fi2.49841@news.cpqcorp.net>s   Last update for today. sue    Avnet Enterprise Solutions   www.es-avnet.com      L SANway is a Compaq certified solution for CI-based VAXcluster environments.I SANway provides a gateway between the CI bus and a fibre channel network, % enabling all the advantages of a SAN.o       BEA Systems, Inc.$   www.bea.comf      J BEA WebLogic Server  - The award-winning BEA WebLogic Server provides theI foundation for rapid development of web applications, and the performancer@ and reliability required for e-commerce sites including the mostK comprehensive implementation of Java 2 enterprise Edition (J2EE) standards.   F BEA Tuxedo  - BEA Tuxedo is a proven platform for building rock-solid,J easy-to-manage e-commerce systems that enable businesses to rapidly launchG new products and services to maintain their competitive advantage.  BEA J Tuxedo provides the E-Commerce Transaction Platform that businesses count? on to support their distributed, mission-critical applications.s       BMC Software   www.bmc.com-      H PATROL for OpenVMS monitors server resources, takes automated correctiveH actions and optimizes server performance in order to deliver the highest6 levels of application availability and responsiveness.       Celerant   www.celerent.com      L Celerant is a Compaq solutions alliance partner specializing in Computer and8 Networking system integration and installation services.       Computer Associateso  - http://www.ca.com/solutions/platform/openvms/:      J Enterprise Edition for OpenVMS products - AdviseIT, CommandIT, ScheduleIT,D WatchIT and Unicenter TNG for OpenVMS are the next generation upward, compatible products for POLYCENTER products.       Digital Network Product Groupr   www.dnpg.com      K Digital Network integrates Gigabit Ethernet and Switched Fast Ethernet withoL FDDI Backbones and Legacy Ethernet Networks with NO Disruption to Production+ Networks and Maximum Investment Protection.       
 Digital Pressl   www.bhusa.com/digitalpress      G Digital Press is an information provider for IT professionals.  We workcI closely with Compaq's OpenVMS and Global Services groups to provide up to = date and practical information through books and other media.e       Dymaxion Research Ltd.   www.dymaxion.ca/      E MediaNet is a scheduling system for media, eequipment, and rooms.  IteH includes time-of-day booking, online public access catalog, book library@ system integration, catalog product, and world wide web support.       Executive Software   www.execsoft.com      D Diskeeper and I/O Express are must have utilities to ensure ultimate9 performance from OpenVMS on both Alpha and VAX platforms.o       EDSe   www.eds.com/compaq      L EDS provides a full range of network solutions from trouble shooting throughK custom application development and support for DECnet, SNA, and TCP/IP.  WetI also offer a fully customizable training program for DECnet and SNA.  EDS & provide VAX and Alpha systems support.       Information Builders, Inc.   www.informationbuilders.comE      J Information Builders supplies the market-leading Web Business IntelligenceH and enterprise integration solutions.  WebFOCUS can access 80+ databasesI across 35+ platforms by providing a complete Business Intelligence suite.        Ki NETWORKS, Inc.b   www.KiNETWORKS.com      J Ki NETWORKS provides CLIM, the best console manager available today.  CLIML allows operations centers to maintain more direct control over the computers0 and devices that they are charged with managing.       Mainsoft   URL:mainsoft.com      C We are the leaders in porting MS NT C++ software to Unix and Linus..       Raxco Software  
 www.raxco.com-      H Raxco software's system performance and support suites help Compaq usersF maximize their investment in OpenVMS and lower total cost of ownership       SAS Institute Inc.   www.sas.comu      D The SAS System is a comprehensive set of software tools for buildingI web-enabled decision support and data management, cleansing, warehousing, , analysis, mining and reporting applications.       Software Partners, Inc.l   www. SoftwarePartners.come      @ Software Partners provides industrial-strength media management,L backup/recovery software, suitable for larger OpenVMS sites with more than aG few hundred tapes.  Includes remote device access and extensive jukeboxo inventory management.b       U.S. Design Corporation    www.usdesign.com      L U.S. Design will be showing our software and hardware solutions that provide3 the following storage medium for OpenVMS platforms:e   CD-R (Standalone and Jukebox)r    DVD-RAM (Standalone and Jukebox)  ' 5.25 MO & WORM (Standalone and Jukebox)-       VX8000   http://www.vx8000.comi      F VX8000 offers a complete set of services to help users keep their dataF centres up and running 24x7.  Also provides e-application services forE Oracle, enabling customers to use Oracle 8i database and iAS internettK technology on Compaq OpenVMS, Compaq Tru64 UNIX, and Microsoft Windows 2000hI platforms. Enables building of mission-critical applications, integrationo1 with the Web, and remote database administration.l      	 WRQ, Inc,    www.wrq.comn      J WRQ Reflection for UNIX and Digital connects Windows users to OpenVMS andF multiple UNIX hosts-delivering precise terminal emulation, support forB Windows 2000, Microsoft VBA 6.0, and centralized management tools.    = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in messagee- news:kenX6.1524$fi2.47447@news.cpqcorp.net...= > Dear Newsgroup,o >oL > I hear from many of you that you are looking for applications on VMS, I amF > going to try an post a number of notes or pointers for different VMS7 > applications, if you know of any please post as well.g >e > Warm Regards,r >  > Sue  >h >2   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 01:30:11 GMTa2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>! Subject: Re: OpenVMS Applicationsm6 Message-ID: <D0TX6.90071$F6.26592@typhoon.aracnet.com>  0 David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:I > Back in the days when there was such a thing, the only catalogue I everaD > saw of applications for VAX/VMS (yeah - that long ago) didn't evenJ > approach the 1000 mark. After more than a decade and given VMS's loss ofC > market penetration, I find that number (5000) rather difficult toe
 > swallow.  H I'm wondering if that 5000 doesn't include the Freeware stuff as well as, major in-house apps that Compaq is aware of.   			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:46:57 +0100i, From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c*m>; Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linuxp1 Message-ID: <9godkv$sqr$1@uranium.btinternet.com>t   Hi,a  # I don't give a shit about weblogic!A  < Tell us about the latest version Tuxedo or shut the fred up!  F Kerry's version of Faith, Uncertainty and Doubt is wearing a bit thin.  E How much did Compaq pay Attunity and why won't they give that to BEA?a  K What do you have to do to get sacked at Compaq anyway? (God bless the workst
 councils eh?)t  H For anyone in the States who is looking down the barrel of unemployment,G just remember that, in Europe, if Compaq has retained you for more thancJ 30secs then you have to get Butrus Butrus Gali in to remove you. (But even3 then you can always appeal to the security council)    Regards Richard Maher.  ; andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in messagee$ news:3B2F57FE.79280E63@uk.sun.com... > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > >  > > Andrew,O > > J > > Of course, application software is always a big consideration. Nothing newa	 > > here.s > >"J > > BEA and IBM (MQ Series) have announced recently of updated support forK > > OpenVMS, so, imho it is definately getting better (new stuff cooking as 
 > > well). >a
 > Have they ?c >nC > The thread you were participating in earlier which was discussinghA > BEA products ended up concluding that BEA's support for OpenVMSr > was very mixed.  >iD > BEA Weblogic Server on OpenVMS is currently 1 major release behind< > their main platforms and this is worse than it used to be. >h@ > Other parts of the Weblogic suite do not run on OpenVMS at all: > and never have making it tricky to develop an end to end1 > solution based on WLS + plus extras on OpenVMS.n >o@ > BEA MessageQ is currently up to date on OpenVMS but people had; > been informed by BEA personnel that it was being dropped.t >s6 > Now if you class this as improved then I accept your5 > judgement, I was clearly underestimating the depths= > of the problem.w >h >aI > > With replication based solutions, besides not being able to share theoI > > read-write load across all servers in both sites, there is always thei riskL > > of losing data. The replication timeframe defined (# of transactions per< > > second x minutes defined between replication timeframe). > > I > > Perhaps you could outline what the availability solution was for this-0 > > Customer that you discussed in the attached? > >l >d> > The customer I am refering to has an existing infrastructure= > for replication that uses EMC SRDF between their productiont: > and DR datacenters this was used by their IBM mainframes6 > and UNIX servers. We use the same infrastructure and > services.p >tG > > Was it based on Veritas? If so, was the latest Sun Cluster softwareaG > > involved? If using the latest Sun Cluster software, how many of theu@ > > applications you mentioned support running in this clustered environment? > >o >iC > The clustering SW is Veritas Cluster Server, though it could have" > been Sun Cluster.  >e? > None of the software needs to be VCS aware because none of itnA > except Oracle needs to know about the cluster. The apps servers : > replicates state and the settlement system also does the
 > same thing.m >i> > There are cluster agents for specific apps but these monitor@ > the status of the app and restart them if necessary on another > node.. >hJ > > So, while I totally agree with you that the applications are indeed anC > > important consideration, for eBusiness and server consolidationnK > > requirements, the days of being exposed to single site  solutions wherei data- > > "might" be lost are rapidly disappearing.a > >r >s@ > What makes you think that this system "might" lose data. It is? > perfectly possible to architect a UNIX solution that does not B > lose data, and this particular system is a good example of this. >c >eJ > > When discussing eBusiness, one needs to look at the whole solution andL > > availability is a huge issue that can not be overlooked as something one > > does later.  > >c >n; > Quite, thats what I do, you however cannot for the simplen< > reason that if you are only using OpenVMS as a platform it9 > is highly unlikely that all of the components that makea- > up the solution will be running on OpenVMS.t > 9 > In other words all this messaging from you based aroundo8 > the reliability of the "solution" is of no value since1 > most of the "solution" does not run on OpenVMS.  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrisonp > Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:58:11 -0400i3 From: "Brad McCusker" <Brad.McCuskerSP@Mcompaq.com>oD Subject: Re: Pathworks or AdvancedServer for Hobbyist? Alternatives?3 Message-ID: <2WPX6.1609$fi2.50041@news.cpqcorp.net>n  B PATHWORKS and Advanced Server are not part of the hobbyist program; due to contractual licensing issues with the source vendor.a  K External Authentication, Login validation, management of NT Servers via DCLs willD all work without license.  But file and print sharing does require a license.= "Roland Haider" <roland.haider@at.bosch.com> wrote in messageo0 news:9gl47b$7sc$1@proxy.fe.internet.bosch.com... > Hello, > > > I finally started integrating my VMS Computers with the rest3 > of my small home-network ( HP-UX, WinNT, Win311).nD > Therefore the preferred way would be a SMB server e.g. Pathworks 6 > or Advanced Server. @ > Though I couldn't find a proper license on the list of layeredD > products included in the hobbyist license, I gave it a try, hoping) > it would be included in the OS license.e >yB > Installed AdvancedServer on the Alphastation, configured it as a, > Primary Domain Controller and fired it up. >!6 > 1st Test: Great! Clients authenticate to the server.= > Then connect to a share. Nee! Many popups saying "Unable to  > obtain license for client."w >t! > So therefore my first question:e >=/ > Is this (as I presume) the expected behavior?c; > (Or did I make a fatal mistake somewhere along the line?)" >OD > Second: What are the pros and cons for the 2 alternatives (I know) > Samba and NFS ?0 >1 > Any feedback welcome!M >i > Regards, Rolandi >t   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2001 18:42:52 GMT" From: dorrt@nospamsutterhealth.org Subject: PGP for VMS* Message-ID: <9go6fc$dgh$1@news.netmar.com>  ( Where can I get the exe for PGP for VMS?F I would like to provide encryption for our ALPHA's ES40's for FTP and 6 would like to use PGP. Is PGP available for ALPHA VMS?K I called COMPAQ pre-sales and they could not find any reference for PGP butd& thought I saw at one time EXE for PGP. Thanks,  Tom     O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----oM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsaI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts L made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:11:26 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: PGP for VMS3 Message-ID: <ytNX6.1598$fi2.49671@news.cpqcorp.net>$  O In article <9go6fc$dgh$1@news.netmar.com>, dorrt@nospamsutterhealth.org writes:y) :Where can I get the exe for PGP for VMS? G :I would like to provide encryption for our ALPHA's ES40's for FTP and  7 :would like to use PGP. Is PGP available for ALPHA VMS?aL :I called COMPAQ pre-sales and they could not find any reference for PGP but' :thought I saw at one time EXE for PGP.n  H   Please visit the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), and search 9   the FAQ for PGP -- there are versions of PGP available.-  <   SSL, SSH, and such are also referenced in the OpenVMS FAQ.  L   The standard OpenVMS TCP/IP Services ftp tool does not contain encryption.  E   A DES-based encyption package is available for OpenVMS from Compaq,r8   and this package can be used within BACKUP and such...  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 01:26:22 GMTe$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>6 Subject: Re: Problem with large queue lengths on disk.) Message-ID: <3B2FFC43.4530DB0C@wi.rr.com>    I was just curious....  : We've said our last "buh-bye"s to PSPA.  It's looking likeN we'll be running Fortel's Sightline for our performance management solution on VMS.  + CA can take their EMC-style pricing and....v  
 -Scott :^)   Bob Kaplow wrote:T  R > In article <3B26B99E.10BB25CF@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes: > > Hamlyn Mootoo wrote:Z > >> If you have performance advisor running, it will report the correct queue lengths for > >> HMd > > ? > > How do you get Performance Advisor to run on OpenVMS 7.2-1?n >AG > You send CA your favorite anatomical parts, and if you're very lucky,aM > they'll give you what you want. You'll need to be like a starfish, cuz next  > year they'll want more...    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 14:30:17 -0700+ From: dwaybright@dollar.com (Don Waybright)AC Subject: Problem with Oracle 8i Advanced Replication Manager on VMSd= Message-ID: <9ef96daa.0106191330.5e6ac9d8@posting.google.com>.  B The following is a problem reported by our DBA regarding Oracle 8iB Advanced Replication Manager on VMS.  We are using Alpha VMS 7.2-1 with the Compaq IP stack.m  ( Has anyone experienced similar problems?  @ The database connection hangs when we try to connect to the Rate= database on VMS using the failover and load balancing networktB configurations. Oracle support was able to recreate the problem inE their lab and will open a bug after they've completed testing on UnixaD and NT. We've already verified that this bug does not exist on Unix.A Oracle support stated that the failover works if MTS is disabled.T? However, MTS is used for load balancing. On VMS we can use loadr# balancing or failover but not both.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:25:01 GMTl- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> & Subject: Re: Raid Array 3000 + 2 ES40s0 Message-ID: <3B2FC326.D9C01B54@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Robert Deininger wrote:,K > So you have _two_ HSZ22 controllers in the RA3000, and each of them has 2   > SCSI busses, and 2 host ports?  " Correct.  Told you it was oddball!   > > KZPBA in host 1 has ID 7 > > KSPBA in host 2 has ID 6 > > HSZ22 host port 0 has ID 0 > > HSZ22 host port 1 has ID 1 > 6 > And these are connected to the same SCSI bus, right?   Correct.  H > Are you failing to see the devices at the alpha console, or in VMS, or > both?e   Both.o  D > I just scanned the V7.3 release notes.  This may be Very Bad News:  M It is indeed!  I claim the RA3000 is a "supported device" like the HSZ80, andoP according to it's own management software implements SCSI LUNS above 7.  But VMS; apparently does not support it at present.  Nuts nuts nuts.e    - JBp   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:28:48 +1000e/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> B Subject: Re: Remote connection error on OVMS 7.2 and Oracle 7.3...2 Message-ID: <HLUX6.7911$qJ4.329089@ozemail.com.au>  K Something similar happened to us when we went from 7.1 to 7.2-1 and ucx 4.2t to tcpip 5.1E This is not the answer you want but we had to upgrade to oracle 7.3.4n You may want toN $tcpip show dev /full bg66569 and check that the port is the same as in your .ora filesr Phil: "Edward Heller" <ejheller@aol.com.nojunk> wrote in message4 news:20010619102106.10170.00000082@ng-md1.aol.com...L > First, please note that I realize this may seem like a question from 1999,E > however we weren't broke so we were reluctant to "fix". We recentlyn upgradedI > our OpenVMS Alpha from 7.1 to 7.2-1. This also included the change frome UCX toI > TCPIP. When we did that, our Java applications that used to communicatel justK > fine with the Oracle database (v 7.3.2.3.2) stopped working. The listener  tracexC > file indicates that the connection from the remote application is  connecting. J > When the shadow program is created, the IPC message returns what I think is aB > reference to Port 0. Following is that section of the trace file (apololgies in3 > advance for wrap confusion - the lines are long):i >i > command = establisho  > (ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=beq)(ENVS=)A > (ARGV0=DKA200:[ORACLE7.NETWORK.ADMIN]ORASRV_NETV2_myDB.COMmyDB) > > (ARGS='(LOCAL=NO)')(GLOBAL_DBNAME=myDB.world)(SID_NAME=myDB)J > (PROGRAM=DKA200:[ORACLE7.NETWORK.ADMIN]ORASRV_NETV2_myDB.COM)(TIMEOUT=0) > (PRESPAWN_MAX=10)) > connecting...s/ > NT layer IPC connection has been established.l > doing connect handshake...F > REDIR="(ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=tcp)(DEV=_BG6656:)(HOST=x.x.x.x)(PORT=0))"$ > handshake is complete; redirecting >bK > I do not think this is correct, however, I am at a loss as to what is thea1 > mechanism by which the port number is assigned.r >o= > Any thoughts (other than upgrading Oracle) are appreciated.h > Edward Hellere > TransCore ITS 6 > "All musings contained within are mine, mine alone."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:05:26 -0400e+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>s Subject: SCSI Parity Errorsu# Message-ID: <sb2f7852.083@aaas.org>r  G DS10 with Dual KZPCA-AA LVD SCSI Controllers connected to a 4254 disk =tJ shelf with (14) disks. The seven disks on one channel of the 4254 (DKB0, =F 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 800) are Shadowed to the seven on the other =L channel (DKC0, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 800). The DKC side has always been =G a little flaky - sometimes I'd reboot and the DKC disks would come up =PG normally, sometimes they'd come up and not be in sync (Shadow Merge), =oJ sometimes I'd boot and none of the DKC disks would show up - I'd have to =L reboot a couple times. I logged a call with Q about nine days ago...yesterd=L ay they replaced the KZPCA-AA attached to the naughty channel of the 4254, =H so I let the disks come up and Shadow Merge. When I checked the system =! today, it was LOADED with Errors.r   $ SHOW DEV D  H Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  =	 Trans MnteH  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks =	 Count CnteJ DSA0:                   Mounted              0  ALPHA_72-1    31496290   = 216   1oL DSA100:                 Mounted              0  ORA1          31883215     = 1   1eL DSA200:                 Mounted              0  ORA2          35564445     = 1   1nL DSA300:                 Mounted              0  ORA3          35564445     = 1   1oL DSA400:                 Mounted              0  ORA4          35564445     = 1   1nL DSA500:                 Mounted              0  ORA5          35564445     = 1   1uL DSA600:                 Mounted              0  ORA6          35564445     = 1   1iA $55$DKB0:     (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:)sC $55$DKB100:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA100:)iC $55$DKB200:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA200:)aC $55$DKB300:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA300:) C $55$DKB400:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA400:)lC $55$DKB500:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA500:)sC $55$DKB800:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA600:),. $55$DKC0:     (CESIUM)  Online             159. $55$DKC100:   (CESIUM)  Online              18. $55$DKC200:   (CESIUM)  Online              15. $55$DKC300:   (CESIUM)  Online              13. $55$DKC400:   (CESIUM)  Online               3. $55$DKC500:   (CESIUM)  Online               6. $55$DKC800:   (CESIUM)  Online               5  < When I tried to INIT one of the disks, I got a parity error:   $ INIT DKC800: ORA6d %INIT-F-PARITY, parity error $n  7 When I rebooted, some of the disks didn't even show up.    $ SHOW DEV D  H Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  =	 Trans MntpH  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks =	 Count Cnt,J DSA0:                   Mounted              0  ALPHA_72-1    31495975   = 216   1RL DSA100:                 Mounted              0  ORA1          31883215     = 1   1.L DSA200:                 Mounted              0  ORA2          35564445     = 1   1 L DSA300:                 Mounted              0  ORA3          35564445     = 1   1nL DSA400:                 Mounted              0  ORA4          35564445     = 1   1 L DSA500:                 Mounted              0  ORA5          35564445     = 1   1sL DSA600:                 Mounted              0  ORA6          35564445     = 1   1eA $55$DKB0:     (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:)tC $55$DKB100:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA100:)aC $55$DKB200:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA200:)uC $55$DKB300:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA300:)oC $55$DKB400:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA400:).C $55$DKB500:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA500:)aC $55$DKB800:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA600:) . $55$DKC0:     (CESIUM)  Online               0. $55$DKC300:   (CESIUM)  Online               1. $55$DKC500:   (CESIUM)  Online               1    F I've opened a new call with Q, but I was wondering if anyone has any =L thoughts. I'm finishing up a round of Image backups, and then I'm going to = play with the cabling.   Thanks,p John   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:51:29 -0400a, From: "Paul Rivera" <paul.rivera@compaq.com> Subject: Re: SCSI Parity Errors.3 Message-ID: <vUOX6.1603$fi2.49833@news.cpqcorp.net>o  J Recess the Personality Card/IO Module and put it back again.   It might be: the case that the personality card is not properly seated.    8 "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> wrote in message news:sb2f7852.083@aaas.org...lK DS10 with Dual KZPCA-AA LVD SCSI Controllers connected to a 4254 disk shelfaL with (14) disks. The seven disks on one channel of the 4254 (DKB0, 100, 200,I 300, 400, 500, 800) are Shadowed to the seven on the other channel (DKC0,bL 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 800). The DKC side has always been a little flaky -H sometimes I'd reboot and the DKC disks would come up normally, sometimesH they'd come up and not be in sync (Shadow Merge), sometimes I'd boot andJ none of the DKC disks would show up - I'd have to reboot a couple times. IF logged a call with Q about nine days ago...yesterday they replaced theH KZPCA-AA attached to the naughty channel of the 4254, so I let the disksH come up and Shadow Merge. When I checked the system today, it was LOADED with Errors.   $ SHOW DEV D  L Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntpL  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt L DSA0:                   Mounted              0  ALPHA_72-1    31496290   216 1tL DSA100:                 Mounted              0  ORA1          31883215     1 1hL DSA200:                 Mounted              0  ORA2          35564445     1 1tL DSA300:                 Mounted              0  ORA3          35564445     1 1eL DSA400:                 Mounted              0  ORA4          35564445     1 1aL DSA500:                 Mounted              0  ORA5          35564445     1 1gL DSA600:                 Mounted              0  ORA6          35564445     1 1mA $55$DKB0:     (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:)eC $55$DKB100:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA100:)rC $55$DKB200:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA200:) C $55$DKB300:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA300:)gC $55$DKB400:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA400:)iC $55$DKB500:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA500:) C $55$DKB800:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA600:)c. $55$DKC0:     (CESIUM)  Online             159. $55$DKC100:   (CESIUM)  Online              18. $55$DKC200:   (CESIUM)  Online              15. $55$DKC300:   (CESIUM)  Online              13. $55$DKC400:   (CESIUM)  Online               3. $55$DKC500:   (CESIUM)  Online               6. $55$DKC800:   (CESIUM)  Online               5  < When I tried to INIT one of the disks, I got a parity error:   $ INIT DKC800: ORA6s %INIT-F-PARITY, parity error $S  7 When I rebooted, some of the disks didn't even show up.a   $ SHOW DEV D  L Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntuL  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt-L DSA0:                   Mounted              0  ALPHA_72-1    31495975   216 1aL DSA100:                 Mounted              0  ORA1          31883215     1 1vL DSA200:                 Mounted              0  ORA2          35564445     1 1tL DSA300:                 Mounted              0  ORA3          35564445     1 1cL DSA400:                 Mounted              0  ORA4          35564445     1 1LL DSA500:                 Mounted              0  ORA5          35564445     1 1eL DSA600:                 Mounted              0  ORA6          35564445     1 1aA $55$DKB0:     (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:)tC $55$DKB100:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA100:)VC $55$DKB200:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA200:),C $55$DKB300:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA300:)PC $55$DKB400:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA400:) C $55$DKB500:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA500:)iC $55$DKB800:   (CESIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA600:)n. $55$DKC0:     (CESIUM)  Online               0. $55$DKC300:   (CESIUM)  Online               1. $55$DKC500:   (CESIUM)  Online               1    D I've opened a new call with Q, but I was wondering if anyone has anyJ thoughts. I'm finishing up a round of Image backups, and then I'm going to play with the cabling.   Thanks,t John   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:04:22 -0400w% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>h' Subject: Re: TCPIP$CONFIGURE won't exita/ Message-ID: <tiv50kmomcauee@news.supernews.com>d  L I don't think it's hung, it's simply done.  File manager figures you need toL see the results of the command procedure so it doesn't close the window when4 the command procedure exits.  Just close the window.  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEIKCMAA.tom@kednos.com... J > I am going through installing 7.3 on Alpha433au when running this script it > won't-C > exit cleanly.  I assume that this is significant, because when  Ia
 reboot,the- > services I had just configured don't start.t >vK > I launched the script from File Mgr -sysmgr window by double-clicking thew > icon.  >FI > The main page lists options 1 through 7, A and [E], the last being exiti
 > config proco >n > the question is  >e > Enter Configuration option:N >vJ > I have tried E, [E], EXIT and <ret> and they all hang.  has naybody else had- > problem with this?J > (Note that [E] in the list, square brackets suggest default, but if this0 > were the case you would expect the question as >9! > Enter Configuration option [E]:e >g   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:05:35 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: TCPIP$CONFIGURE won't exit03 Message-ID: <PvMX6.1594$fi2.49810@news.cpqcorp.net>l  ] In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEIKCMAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:tM :...I launched the script from File Mgr -sysmgr window by double-clicking then :icon...  I   Well, if it hurts, don't do it -- I don't think anybody has ever tried aF   the network configuration scripts running under the DECwindows File E   Manager interface.  I'd have expected that these scripts would haveeE   been tested from a local serial line and from a DECwindows DECterm fG   interface -- and while you could run these remotely via the network,  9   you are running these scripts to configure the network.-    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:20:22 -0500a0 From: Patrick Spinler <spinler.patrick@mayo.edu>B Subject: Re: Tools to Port to OpenVMS? (was RE: The future of VMS)( Message-ID: <3B2FD026.3AFC2307@mayo.edu>   Patrick Spinler wrote: > E > Also, here's a thought;  Would it be worthwhile to put up a projecthG > hosting facility to support projects being ported to VMS ?  Somethingn" > along the lines of sourceforge ?  E As with many ideas, someone's already done it. :-)  Thanks to another>G post to this group yesterday from (I think) one of the project authors,e I found a reference to:       See http://gnv.sourceforge.net  H They have binaries for bash, make, a unix like cc wrapper for dec c, and# a unix like ar wrapper for library.   # Quoting from their web page readme:n  G > The environment is complete enough to build BASH using standard Unix -4 > makefiles. Source for bash and make is available.   D Also, poking around their cvs - I see that they have a directory forE autoconf, although it doesn't appear to have been worked on recently.a  G Perhaps some people here with more time and knowledge than myself mightp care to help them ?r   -- Pat   -- d?       This message does not represent the policies or positions 1 	     of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidiaries.d3   Patrick Spinler			email:	Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDUh'   Mayo Foundation			phone:	507/284-9485e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:17:51 +0800c' From: "nelson" <nelsonyo@ms1.hinet.net>e Subject: tta* Message-ID: <9goemi$mp7@netnews.hinet.net>   tt   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:25:42 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: tta3 Message-ID: <qrPX6.1606$fi2.49847@news.cpqcorp.net>M  T In article <9goemi$mp7@netnews.hinet.net>, "nelson" <nelsonyo@ms1.hinet.net> writes: :tt   G   TT is a logical name that translates to your command terminal device.fK   If that does not answer the question, you will want to elaborate further.BH   If this was intended as a test message, there are newsgroups for that.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:45:18 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: tth' Message-ID: <3B2FC7EE.42BB28EC@fsi.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:a > V > In article <9goemi$mp7@netnews.hinet.net>, "nelson" <nelsonyo@ms1.hinet.net> writes: > :tt  > I >   TT is a logical name that translates to your command terminal device.u  F I seem to recall a reference this is also in the movie, "Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice".m   --   David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:39:00 GMTs- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>.+ Subject: Re: Unix join utility for openvms?z0 Message-ID: <3B2FC66C.F1123DC3@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Tom Reid wrote:e= > File A                 File B                        File Cp> > =======                =======                       ======= > < > X,1234                 A,TOM       After join        A,TOMB > Y,456                  X,DICK          =>            X,1234,DICKB > Y,000                  Y,HARRY                       Y,000,HARRYB > Z,                                                   Y,456,HARRY  @ Ah, OK.  You want an APPEND followed by a SORT.  How about this?   $ sort filea+fileb filec  O Sort appears to perform the simple join you have in your example.  More complexc( sorts are possible with the /key switch.    - JBs   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:49:27 -0500K1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>=+ Subject: Re: Unix join utility for openvms?)' Message-ID: <3B2FC8E7.B94FC860@fsi.net>N   Jonathan Boswell wrote:E >  > Tom Reid wrote:=? > > File A                 File B                        File Ci@ > > =======                =======                       ======= > >D> > > X,1234                 A,TOM       After join        A,TOMD > > Y,456                  X,DICK          =>            X,1234,DICKD > > Y,000                  Y,HARRY                       Y,000,HARRYD > > Z,                                                   Y,456,HARRY > B > Ah, OK.  You want an APPEND followed by a SORT.  How about this? >  > $ sort filea+fileb filec > E > Sort appears to perform the simple join you have in your example.  o  C Umm, no - look again. He wants to merge fields in records, not justs" order them in a specific sequence.   > More complex* > sorts are possible with the /key switch.  ; Not sure, but I doubt even /SPEC will be of much help here.e   -- e David J. Dachtera, dba DJE Systems0 http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.g   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2001 20:40 CDTd' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)n+ Subject: Re: Unix join utility for openvms?p- Message-ID: <19JUN200120400161@gerg.tamu.edu>   . thomas_p_reid@hotmail.com (Tom Reid) writes...G }Paddy, in what way does the VMS append command do a relational join on E }text files? Doesn't it just stick one file on to the end of another.l( }Perhaps an example will clarify things. } < }File A                 File B                        File C= }=======                =======                       =======  } ; }X,1234                 A,TOM       After join        A,TOM A }Y,456                  X,DICK          =>            X,1234,DICK A }Y,000                  Y,HARRY                       Y,000,HARRY A }Z,                                                   Y,456,HARRY48 }                                                     Z,  D Looks like the closest out-of-the-box match would be MERGE, although@ that might not have all the options you are looking for. See theE Sort/Merge Utility Reference Manual (or something along those lines).0E You may need to look at the /SPECIFICATION=file qualifier - there is, > of course, info in the on-line help. You might be particularly interested in what is under:   $ HELP MERGE SPECf  I The main thing that may be missing that you want is variable size fields,:B such as you might find in a comma separated data format. The exactH handling of non-unique fields (particularly when they appear a differentG number of times in each file) may cause trouble (but I expect that this H is true of "join" as well). Determining a set of rules that does exactly2 what you want could be tricky, or even impossible.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:01:38 GMT / From: "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@xxx.mediaone.net>5) Subject: XML Import / Export for OpenVMS?IG Message-ID: <CJRX6.20971$i03.5405784@typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net>r  L We currently are in search of a utility to import and export data files fromI clients to our VMS system.  We need to import from XML to RMS file format=A and from RMS back to XML format.  If we have to go to a text fileb intermediate format, that would be ok too.   E Does anyone have suggestions or experience with products that do thisS/ without using a PC or Unix box in the solution?1  K I know we could write our own translator, but we would like to see if there0H is something off-the-shelf that would do the job at a reasonable cost...   Regards, Tom3   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:46:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>5- Subject: Re: XML Import / Export for OpenVMS?5, Message-ID: <3B300077.F2785D49@videotron.ca>   Tom Simpson wrote:N > We currently are in search of a utility to import and export data files fromK > clients to our VMS system.  We need to import from XML to RMS file formateC > and from RMS back to XML format.  If we have to go to a text filee, > intermediate format, that would be ok too.  : Compaq released XML translators not too long ago. Look at:G http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/XML/cplus_files.html0  N If you'd prefer to have an outside consultant develop a customized solution, I am very available :-)0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:59:46 -0500$C From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com>n- Subject: Re: XML Import / Export for OpenVMS?lI Message-ID: <craig.berry-439002.22594619062001@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>p   Tom Simpson wrote:N > We currently are in search of a utility to import and export data files fromK > clients to our VMS system.  We need to import from XML to RMS file formatuC > and from RMS back to XML format.  If we have to go to a text file , > intermediate format, that would be ok too.  E To call XML and RMS both "formats" is true in some contexts but more IG than a bit misleading.  XML is a structured document standard that can  I be very simple or very complex depending on the design of the particular 8E document type you are dealing with.  The contents of an XML file are tI simply text, though not necessarily ASCII text, and any "format" that is eI in an XML file is entirely part of its contents as far as the filesystem e
 is concerned.(  I RMS "format" refers only to the structure of the file on disk, and makes fE relatively few claims about contents.  An important exception is the sA sort of limitation placed on content by indexes and fixed-length eG records; knowing ahead of time the precise limits of your data in this a4 way is quite foreign to the XML way of doing things.  F There are many RMS formats, but I will assume for the moment that you E mean files with indexed and/or fixed-length records.  It is possible eF that your XML files are extremely simple, non-hierarchical structures G with no external entities and predictable field widths.  In this case, sI converting the data in your XML document to some other format (including cF RMS indexed or any other ISAM format) is merely a spiffier version of C importing a comma-separated file -- the delimiters just look a bit  A weird.  If it were me, I'd do this using Perl and the extensions e! XML::Parser and VMS::IndexedFile.6  H If, on the other hand, your XML document type is a complex hierarchical G beast and/or uses advanced features of XML, you will need to design an 4E RMS system (probably involving multiple files) and applications that  A attempt to translate this structure to a fundamentally different nI paradigm.  Frankly, you'd be better off skipping RMS and using some sort )A of relational database, and in fact there are tools and emerging )H standards for doing just that.  I believe Oracle has an offering though I I don't know if the VMS flavor includes it.  Attunity Connect might have e? something relevant though I haven't looked at that angle of it.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:04:05 +0200M2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)- Subject: Re: XML Import / Export for OpenVMS?0; Message-ID: <3b3020b5.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>1  . Tom Simpson (simpsont@xxx.mediaone.net) wrote:N > We currently are in search of a utility to import and export data files fromK > clients to our VMS system.  We need to import from XML to RMS file format C > and from RMS back to XML format.  If we have to go to a text file5, > intermediate format, that would be ok too. >aG > Does anyone have suggestions or experience with products that do this 1 > without using a PC or Unix box in the solution?o >pM > I know we could write our own translator, but we would like to see if there J > is something off-the-shelf that would do the job at a reasonable cost...  B To assist your self-written importer, you can use expat, an (*the*D standard) XML parser library. It's free software (licensed under the MIT/X Consortium license).  C I managed to build v1.95-1 with only minor changes (after writing a  decent DESCRIP.MMS) under VMS.  3 It's home is http://sourceforge.net/projects/expat/    cu,    Martin --  F                           | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3  Cetero censeo            | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F  Redmondem esse delendam. |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:                           | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:02:13 GMT14 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change< Message-ID: <FZPX6.5057$P46.3174891@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  F A 100 percent excise tax on gas-guzzling, ultrapolluting Sport UtilityD Vehicles would be a damn good place to start reducing greenhouse gas
 emissions.  - And remember: VMS emits no greenhouse gasses!    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 17:09:31 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)S  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change, Message-ID: <LoMThIGw9g7D@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  = In article <FZPX6.5057$P46.3174891@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, s9    "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:a  H > A 100 percent excise tax on gas-guzzling, ultrapolluting Sport UtilityF > Vehicles would be a damn good place to start reducing greenhouse gas > emissions. >     Doing a little trolling?P  F    (actually, I like this tax idea - it would make the resale value ofF my used SUV that much greater - then I could sell it and buy a MustangI with the same motor in it - then I'd be environmentally sensitive becausew I drive a small car, right? )r  / > And remember: VMS emits no greenhouse gasses!o >   G    And given it gets virtually no marketing it can't even be blamed form9 the methane emitted by the BS marketing departments spew.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:23:56 -0700s% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>e  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change) Message-ID: <3B2FED1C.9A88E0E1@rdrop.com>   6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  H > A 100 percent excise tax on gas-guzzling, ultrapolluting Sport UtilityF > Vehicles would be a damn good place to start reducing greenhouse gas > emissions.  ? Refund some of that back to motorcyclists (My current bikes areaA relative fuel hogs and get 45+ MPG) and I'm right there with you!t  " (Huh? Oh, sorry- wrong list... ;-)   -- s+ Dean Woodward   |    # include <sigquote.h>o deanw@rdrop.com |oD ----------------+---------------------------------------------------= '66 Duc 250 - '85 Yam FJ1100 - '00 Kaw KLR650 - '01 Apr Falcon   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:25:59 GMTD4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change< Message-ID: <XQTX6.5308$P46.3434223@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message& news:LoMThIGw9g7D@malvm5.mala.bc.ca...> > In article <FZPX6.5057$P46.3174891@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,; >    "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  >aJ > > A 100 percent excise tax on gas-guzzling, ultrapolluting Sport UtilityH > > Vehicles would be a damn good place to start reducing greenhouse gas > > emissions. > >u >    Doing a little trolling?e  H Hell no! I detest those behemoths. Perhaps ten percent of the owners canG actually justify the things. And note that since they are classified as-D "light trucks" vice cars, they are exempt from mileage and pollution/ restrictions. Guess that makes Detroit happy...e  I What I really like are the Ford Exploders and Aspersions that sport "saveM+ the environment" bumper stickers, hehehehe!    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:21:23 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>   Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change, Message-ID: <3B3016AD.AFB9FBAA@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: N > Hey, I drive so little that it matters not to me. But I'm sure it matters toF > cab drivers, truckers, and others who make their living on the road.  J This is why taxing the fuel is better than letting the gas companies gougeI customers. With a government tax, the government can give the tax back toyR public transit operators (including cab drivers, trucklers, airlines and farmers).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:35:47 -0500 % From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net>l  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change/ Message-ID: <tj02oh1at34n89@corp.supernews.com>o   Dean Woodward wrote:   > I >> A 100 percent excise tax on gas-guzzling, ultrapolluting Sport UtilityaG >> Vehicles would be a damn good place to start reducing greenhouse gaso
 >> emissions.f  J If this is a such good idea then why all the bitchin about the recent gas 
 prices hikes?t   -- t Keith Browne kbrown780@isd.neth   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:49:21 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change< Message-ID: <RaUX6.5328$P46.3452937@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  2 "Keith Brown" <kbrown780@isd.net> wrote in message) news:tj02oh1at34n89@corp.supernews.com...7 > Dean Woodward wrote: >< > >nK > >> A 100 percent excise tax on gas-guzzling, ultrapolluting Sport Utility I > >> Vehicles would be a damn good place to start reducing greenhouse gasM > >> emissions.@ >lK > If this is a such good idea then why all the bitchin about the recent gasi > prices hikes?o  L Hey, I drive so little that it matters not to me. But I'm sure it matters toD cab drivers, truckers, and others who make their living on the road.  L It all boils down to supply and demand. Fortunately my demand in this regardK is pretty minimal. Unfortunately for the aforementioned folks, their demandr! is more than a little bit higher.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:42:13 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>F  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate changeB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010619203901.03b83e48@ntbsod.psccos.com>  . At 08:25 PM 6/19/2001, Terry C. Shannon wrote:  ? >"Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message-' >news:LoMThIGw9g7D@malvm5.mala.bc.ca...0@ > > In article <FZPX6.5057$P46.3174891@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,= > >    "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:m > >oL > > > A 100 percent excise tax on gas-guzzling, ultrapolluting Sport UtilityJ > > > Vehicles would be a damn good place to start reducing greenhouse gas > > > emissions. > > >i > >    Doing a little trolling?n >tI >Hell no! I detest those behemoths. Perhaps ten percent of the owners caniH >actually justify the things. And note that since they are classified asE >"light trucks" vice cars, they are exempt from mileage and pollution/0 >restrictions. Guess that makes Detroit happy... > J >What I really like are the Ford Exploders and Aspersions that sport "save, >the environment" bumper stickers, hehehehe!  N Gee, I guess you would REALLY disapprove of my 2 SUV's and my "ultrapolluting"I 36-foot-long gasoline motorhome...granted, 1 SUV is a Jeep Grand Cherokee0N (hardly a Ford Excursion boat) and the other is a small Ford Escape (25mpg)...M and I'll be the emissions from my motorhome engine (it's a 2000 model) are noe' worse than 80% of the cars on the road.   6 But, to quote Rhett Butler, well, you know the line...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:51:58 GMTM4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change< Message-ID: <y5VX6.2084$wU6.2494845@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message< news:5.1.0.14.2.20010619203901.03b83e48@ntbsod.psccos.com...0 > At 08:25 PM 6/19/2001, Terry C. Shannon wrote: >fA > >"Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in messageo) > >news:LoMThIGw9g7D@malvm5.mala.bc.ca...bB > > > In article <FZPX6.5057$P46.3174891@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,? > > >    "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:e > > >eF > > > > A 100 percent excise tax on gas-guzzling, ultrapolluting Sport Utility3L > > > > Vehicles would be a damn good place to start reducing greenhouse gas > > > > emissions. > > > >F! > > >    Doing a little trolling?i > > K > >Hell no! I detest those behemoths. Perhaps ten percent of the owners can4J > >actually justify the things. And note that since they are classified asG > >"light trucks" vice cars, they are exempt from mileage and pollution 2 > >restrictions. Guess that makes Detroit happy... > > L > >What I really like are the Ford Exploders and Aspersions that sport "save. > >the environment" bumper stickers, hehehehe! > ? > Gee, I guess you would REALLY disapprove of my 2 SUV's and myi "ultrapolluting"K > 36-foot-long gasoline motorhome...granted, 1 SUV is a Jeep Grand CherokeeoE > (hardly a Ford Excursion boat) and the other is a small Ford Escape 
 (25mpg)...L > and I'll be the emissions from my motorhome engine (it's a 2000 model) are no) > worse than 80% of the cars on the road.  > 8 > But, to quote Rhett Butler, well, you know the line...  K Indeed I do, my friend. I'll stick with my 24mpg antiquated Bimmer and I'll*D worry not about petrol prices. Cherokees and Escapes are by no meansK Expeditions or whatever those monsters are called, and there isn't much yousL can do about a motor home. That said, while tooling about in the motor home,E you sure as hell aren't staying at a Holiday Inn, so that pretty muchJ
 balances out.D  G But as for Soccer Mom on her Big Excursion to the Supermarket, well, yay= gotta wonder. I can think of better things to do with 40-50K.  >h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:04:07 -0600V% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>o  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate changeB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010619220017.03b86b78@ntbsod.psccos.com>  & At 09:21 PM 6/19/2001, JF Mezei wrote: >"Terry C. Shannon" wrote:F > > Hey, I drive so little that it matters not to me. But I'm sure it  > matters toH > > cab drivers, truckers, and others who make their living on the road. > K >This is why taxing the fuel is better than letting the gas companies gouge J >customers. With a government tax, the government can give the tax back toJ >public transit operators (including cab drivers, trucklers, airlines and 
 >farmers).  O "Can" and "do" are 2 different things.  The government doesn't give a good d**ntM about any of those.  I know, my wife's family are farmers, and I used to worke for an airline.h  E But before you talk "gouging", the main "gouging" is going on by the   government.hJ If you got rid of 90% of the 95 different formulations of gasoline the EPAN requires, then cut the federal and state taxes out, you would cut the price of gasoline by probably 50%.i  N Oil company gouging?  Probably, to some extent.  But certainly not to the vast0 extent that many people seem to want to believe.     ---    Dan and Debbie O'Reillyo 2000 36' Itasca Sunflyer 2001 Ford Escape XLS Toad  Colorado Springs, CO" WIT W90634, FMCA F236352, Good Sam   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 21:28:41 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)-  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change, Message-ID: <f$ni5cLIxm1I@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  = In article <y5VX6.2084$wU6.2494845@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, -:     "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  ' > Cherokees and Escapes are by no meanslM > Expeditions or whatever those monsters are called, and there isn't much youo > can do about a motor home.  A    Wait a minute. A couple of posts ago you damned the "Exploder"f@ as a "behemoth", but you seem to be saying that Cherokees aren'tG too bad. AFAIK the two are pretty much identical in size, price and gas  consumption.  E    Given that it's a 15 minute drive to work ( 10 if I hit the lightswG right ) I don't worry too much about gas consumption - I'm contributingjH a lot less to pollution than the folks who choose to have commutes of an; hour or more each way - regardless of what they're driving.i  ?    On nice days I drive a 250cc Kawasaki that gets over 80 MPG.f  ?    Relax Terry, save that energy for fighting the good fight toi save VMS :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:33:47 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>p2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?+ Message-ID: <3B2F9B08.B12E6EB@videotron.ca>f   Robert Deininger wrote:,+ > What "monster" would you be referring to?   I Didn't mean it in a bad way, but I was referring to the USA which is MUCH/L stronger than Canada economically, culturally, and population. It is a DavidA (Canada) against Golliath (USA) whenever there are disagreements.-  K > I think you have Canadian bias.  Folks in the smaller EU contries seem toCG > have the same concerns about culture.  But they probabaly don't think: > Canadians do.o  N They may have fears, but since there is no one huge trading partner in the EU,N it is more of an even hand than in the case of Canada/USA. Also, by ganging upF together, the EU represents a single entity that is of comparable sizeN (economically) to the USA so the EU has a better chance at protecting its turf= from USA's culture than individual small countries in Europe.   I One can argue about the quality of the USA's culture, but you can't argue I about its strength. Few countries have a culture strong enough that it iscN exported in such a scale as that of the USA. (from McDonalds to Larry SpringerG :-) ( I use culture in its general sense, not the number of museums and  concert halls).g  I The USA is unaware of this because almost all of its "culture" comes fromnL within. But when you go to other countries, that is when you realise how theL USA's culture is creeping in to other cultures, in many cases quite visibly.  M Australia is a good example. It seems to be switching from its attachement toiN England to one with the USA.  Pretty amazing how advertising can convince kidsL anywhere in the world that Michael Jordan is a hero even though they may not$ have any basketball in that country.    J > Nobody wants to take away your currency in Canada.  That's a good thing.  E No offense, but our currency looks better than yours :-) :-) :-) (And 3 Australia's is really neat with the plastic bills).n  J > Why should any government get involved in picking retail stores?  In theF > vast majority of cases where Wal-Mart is winning, it's because their > competition stinks.   N Because it is changing the face of rural areas. You are essentially moving theN town centre from the town centre to the Wallmart on the outskirts of the town,D usually near the highway, often against the wishes of the communuty.  E Similarly, canadian "cultural" entities (magazine/book publishers, TVuF production houses etc) succesfully convinced the governement (even theJ Mulroney one) that it was necessary to exemot cultural industries from theJ free trade agreements otherwise the "Wallmarts" of the cultural industries. would come to canada and take over everything.  L For some people, the way of life is more important than saving a few pennies when you buy something.   G In Canada, what Wallmart has done is force the canadian chains, such asuM Canadian Tire to close many stores and build large box stores on highways. InkM my case, I used to be able to walk to the local canadian tire, but now, it is K far away and it is right next to another "home depot" style stores which injI turns is right next to a large shopping mall which in turn is next to thefG Price Club (Costco). The wallmart is west of the canadian tire (and oldr woolworths store).  M But in reality, by concentrating your stores in large box stores one  next torN each other, the few pennies you save buying stuff is wasted on fuel because ofN the extra driving, and more importantly, because of all the time it takes when you're stuck in traffic.  G Interestingly, the "new" Canadian Tire isn't doing as well as the olderhJ smaller one that was nearer to customer's homes. By forcing people to takeZ their cars to get a lightbulb istead of walking, you are not helping save the environment.  K What can government do ?  Good question.  But a government has the tools atoL its disposal to shape the economy or at least steer it. If the price of fuelI is such that people don't want to drive to the strip mall far away on the15 highway, then vendors will build closer to customers.R  : > And I've never heard of a Wal-Mart killing a whole town.  M Perhaps not the whole town, but it does kill the small shops that were there.eM Just like the mega book stores are killing the smaller book stores. The local N small shopping mall hasn't recovered from Canadian Tire leaving it and is more> than half empty of stores now. (It had maybe 20 stores before)  3 > Towns have been dying since long before Wal-Mart.1  J Wallmart (and the others) is moving towns from their quaint city centre toJ some strip shoping mall with vast expanses of parking and no architecturalL interest (unless you really like the rectangular wharehouses with no style).  L > Well, we've quieted the protectionists down pretty well in the last couple
 > of decades.r  I Interestingly enough, as soon as Bush Jr got the keys to the white house, Q protectionist rumblings started to be heard again against canadian wood products.j  J Interesting how one will say that Wallmart is good because it brings lowerL prices to consumers. But why then would USA be opposed to buying the cheaperM canadian wood since it means lower house prices for americans ? Oops, becauseaN profits go to Canada, jobs go to Canada. Apply this logic to the large USA boxH stores trying to sell their wares in Canada at a lower price and you can" understand some of the resistance.  F > It's interesting that NAFTA was brought into the discussion, but now> > several people say that NAFTA hasn't had much real impact...  L In the case of the FTA, the goal wasn't so much to increase trade but ratherN to protect the existing trade from protectionist forces. And in that sense, it has worked.l   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 12:03:50 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)-2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?, Message-ID: <$BjkIcD8EfYa@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  , In article <3B2F9B08.B12E6EB@videotron.ca>, 4      JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > O > But in reality, by concentrating your stores in large box stores one  next tor > each other  D   Aren't the stores downtown also "concentrated next to each other"?  E >, the few pennies you save buying stuff is wasted on fuel because of P > the extra driving, and more importantly, because of all the time it takes when > you're stuck in traffic. > J      Unless of course you happen to live near the big box stores, in whichG case you are saving time/fuel vs having to drive downtown, search for a-J parking spot and end up getting a ticket because you shopped a few minutesL longer than you planned. I happen to live in a very nice neighbourhood which0 is an easy walk/bike ride to the "big box" zone.  I > Interestingly, the "new" Canadian Tire isn't doing as well as the olderd2 > smaller one that was nearer to customer's homes.  K    You mean before WalMart/Home Depot/etc opened up? ( you said that's what<H forced the CT to move in the first place ). Perhaps they'd be doing even worse had they stayed put.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2001 15:42:36 -07003 From: kenneth.h.fairfield@intel.com (Ken Fairfield) ? Subject: [Q] Is there a non-CA replacement for Console Manager? = Message-ID: <3147e88a.0106191442.588d16e8@posting.google.com>.  E With the release/inclusion of ECM Data Collector and ECM Performance nO Analyzer with VMS 7.3, there's one less reason to, in the words of Bob Kaplow,  M "give CA one of your body parts" each year.  The one thing that one needs in  K order to "go cold-turkey" is a replacement for Polycenter Console Manager, hO aka TNG Unicenter Console Manager.  Can anyone recommend a suitable replacementa product?  Pros and cons?  M     BTW, has anyone tried out the ECM stuff yet who would be willing to give m! a short report to the group? :-) F        Thanks, Ken --8 Kenneth H. Fairfield, F20 Automation VMS System Support C Intel Corp., 2501 NW 229th Street, MS: RA2-376, Hillsboro, OR 97124k? e-mail: kenneth.h.fairfield@intel.com      phone:  503-613-0482   A Disclaimer:  I don't speak for Intel; Intel doesn't speak for me.m   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:02:06 GMTl2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)C Subject: Re: [Q] Is there a non-CA replacement for Console Manager? 3 Message-ID: <ORQX6.1613$fi2.50099@news.cpqcorp.net>k  s In article <3147e88a.0106191442.588d16e8@posting.google.com>, kenneth.h.fairfield@intel.com (Ken Fairfield) writes: $ :...The one thing that one needs in L :order to "go cold-turkey" is a replacement for Polycenter Console Manager, E :aka TNG Unicenter Console Manager.  Can anyone recommend a suitable i% :replacement product?  Pros and cons?b  B   A list of the options that I am aware of is included in the FAQ.@   If you know of other options, let me know and I will add them.A   (The AlphaServer GS series uses a version of the TECsys consoledA   management package that is included in the above list.)  (There2A   may well be some other packages listed in the software catalog,i@   I haven't checked there.  A pointer to the software catalog is"   in the, well, you guessed it...)  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 01:36:19 GMTa$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>C Subject: Re: [Q] Is there a non-CA replacement for Console Manager?d) Message-ID: <3B2FFE97.30E6DB81@wi.rr.com>a  X Are you looking for a VMS-based solution or would you look at a solution that runs on NT1 to monitor any network device with a serial port?0   -Scott   Hoff Hoffman wrote:e  u > In article <3147e88a.0106191442.588d16e8@posting.google.com>, kenneth.h.fairfield@intel.com (Ken Fairfield) writes:5% > :...The one thing that one needs in M > :order to "go cold-turkey" is a replacement for Polycenter Console Manager,IF > :aka TNG Unicenter Console Manager.  Can anyone recommend a suitable' > :replacement product?  Pros and cons?S >nD >   A list of the options that I am aware of is included in the FAQ.B >   If you know of other options, let me know and I will add them.C >   (The AlphaServer GS series uses a version of the TECsys console C >   management package that is included in the above list.)  (There C >   may well be some other packages listed in the software catalog,aB >   I haven't checked there.  A pointer to the software catalog is$ >   in the, well, you guessed it...) >tP >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:09:52 GMTa From: dittman@dittman.netdC Subject: Re: [Q] Is there a non-CA replacement for Console Manager?eA Message-ID: <QBTX6.59245$u34.2525552@e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com>d  4 Ken Fairfield <kenneth.h.fairfield@intel.com> wrote:G : With the release/inclusion of ECM Data Collector and ECM Performance  Q : Analyzer with VMS 7.3, there's one less reason to, in the words of Bob Kaplow, tO : "give CA one of your body parts" each year.  The one thing that one needs in RM : order to "go cold-turkey" is a replacement for Polycenter Console Manager, 3Q : aka TNG Unicenter Console Manager.  Can anyone recommend a suitable replacement" : product?  Pros and cons?  R TECsys Development has ConsoleWorks, which is a real nifty package (Compaq bundlesI this with some of the GS-series).  Their website is http://www.tditx.com.r -- S Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.339 ************************