1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 21 Jun 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 341       Contents:: Re: 26 June OpenVMS DiamondForum postponed - San Jose, CA.O Re: Affordable VMS Workstations... All of a Sudden Alpha Looks More Competitive 7 Re: Alpha/VMS 7.3 sys$icc PAL mode blue screen of death  Another reward offer Any old ReGIS Graphis around5 Re: Carbon dating DEC/VMS users, was: Re: V7.3 backup 5 Re: Carbon dating DEC/VMS users, was: Re: V7.3 backup  CDE on Multiheaded Display Re: CDE on Multiheaded Display Re: CDE on Multiheaded Display& Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation Re: FreeVMS  Re: FreeVMS  RE: FreeVMS 4 Re: How to see who causes execessive login failures.! Re: Intrusion & Password Checking  Re: les$acp_v30 need help ? mailextract.c, a VMS->UNIX mail file converter (works on 7.2-1)  Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing  Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing  Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing  Re: modern day x-terminals Re: modern day x-terminals$ NEW TZ86 6GB DLT Subsystem for trade Re: OpenVMS Applications openvms on DEC XL3002 Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and Linux* Re: Oxygen VX1 now supported and orderable Printing NT to VMS Re: Printing NT to VMS Re: Printing NT to VMS, Re: Problem with NFS from VMS to Win 2000/NT> Re: Problem with Oracle 8i Advanced Replication Manager on VMS RAID on the AXP 150 (Jensen)9 Re: Remote connection error on OVMS 7.2 and Oracle 7.3... J Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company	shouldbuy VMSG Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company should buy VMS P Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company should buy VMS VMSVP Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company should buy VMS VMSVP Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company should buy VMS VMSVP Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company should buy VMS VMSVP Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company should buy VMS VMSVJ RE: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company shouldbuy VMSJ Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company shouldbuy VMSP Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company shouldbuy VMS VMSVMP Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company shouldbuyVMS VMS VM9 Re: SMTP notification messages - how do I turn them off ? 0 Re: Sun is the leader of the UNIX server market.0 Re: Sun is the leader of the UNIX server market.0 Re: Sun is the leader of the UNIX server market.+ Re: SYS$PIPEDRIVER, MPA0:, I/O Users Manual  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change  Re: [OT] Climate change ) re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? ) Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ? : Re: [Q] Is there a non-CA replacement for Console Manager?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:49:36 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> C Subject: Re: 26 June OpenVMS DiamondForum postponed - San Jose, CA. , Message-ID: <3B310C5A.559BEFAA@videotron.ca>   John Vottero wrote: K > Rich was promoted in the latest chair shuffling.  Hopefully, the "180 day M > transformation" that Terry is whispering about won't be 6 months of musical 	 > chairs!   J Was there another musical chairs game, or is that the (old) change in jobsL that took Marcello out of VMS giving him some form of control over True64 as well ?    L As far as the forum being cancelled, one possible reason woudl have been low= turnout. Or perhaps insufficient resources to plan the event.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:26:56 -0400 , From: "islandco.com" <dbturner@islandco.com>X Subject: Re: Affordable VMS Workstations... All of a Sudden Alpha Looks More Competitive/ Message-ID: <tj2mkgn0gair2f@news.supernews.com>    In stock NOW  J Itanium Clone - code named Alpha - from the Clever PC people at Compaq !!!  C 64Bits and only $1325 US - whats more - it will run WIndows NT !!!!        -- We sell Alpha's ! % Want to buy an Alpha or Alpha Parts ?  Go to http://www.islandco.com & Hardware for Alpha VMS, Tru64 & Linux.   Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax:912 201 0096 sales@islandco.com< "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3B145D62.3F268DC5@fsi.net...  | Robert Deininger wrote:  | > H | > In article <slrn9h7v5q.jbj.strpic@lorien.elf.hr>, strpic@bofhlet.net (Vid | > Strpic) wrote: | > L | > > > Starting at $7,999(a), the Dell Precision Workstation 730 comes with a E | > > > single Intel Itanium processor at 733 MHz, 1 GB SDRAM, Matrox  Millenium G450D | > > > graphics card, 18 GB(b) SCSI hard disk drive, and a one-year
 next-business D | > > > day onsite service(c). The Dell Precision Workstation 730 is
 available for 3 | > > > order today from Dell's direct sales teams.  | > G | > Is this thing actually obtainium now?  Or is it just orderium, with ' | > deliverium some time in the future?  | * | Actually, I think it's more like Itanic. |  | -- | David J. Dachtera  | dba DJE Systems  | http://www.djesys.com/ | < | Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! | http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  | H | This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings | is to be expected. | B | Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. | H | However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are | strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:03:24 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)@ Subject: Re: Alpha/VMS 7.3 sys$icc PAL mode blue screen of deathL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2006012203240001@user-2ive6pj.dialup.mindspring.com>  C In article <9gqgut$j0g$1@plutonium.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher"  <maher_rj@hotmail.c*m> wrote:    > Hi Robert, >  > Thanks for the reply.  > >  > > That's pretty vague!!  > M > Sorry, it's an Alphastation 255. (Although I am surprised that the "have to C > power down before reboot" is not a hardware specific requirement)   @ It might be a good clue for some folks, but I've never used that> particular system.  The model name is always less ambiguous...  K > > Did you upgrade the firmware as recommended before the VMS 7.3 upgrade?  > N > Firmware comes from the 5.4 compilation CDs. One of our sys admin guys tellsJ > me that there is a later version (v6.0?) available for about 6 weeks butJ > he's never seen one. Nor does he know if it contains a relevant upgrade. >  > SRM Code 7.0-9 > PAL Code 5.56-2   H Well, I've always gotten a firmware CD with the OS CDs.  So look at yourC VMS 7.3 kit again.  Also, current firmware should be accessible via  www.openvms.compaq.com  I The newest I have on hand is firmware CD V5.8.  For the alphastation 255, E it has SRM firmware V7.0.  It also lists FW for 2 PCI options in this  system: 
 DEFPA   V3.10  KZPSA   VA11  F If you have either of those options, check the firmware and upgrade if
 necessary.    . > > Configure the system to make a crash dump. > " > I'll see if we've got the space.  G You should at least be able to get a selective dump.  In the event of a H crash, the system tries to include the "important" processes first.  TheG current process should make it into the dump.  But it looks like a full 1 dump would be a safer bet for diagnosing a crash.   I There is an UPDATE ECO for VMS 7.3.  It appeared in the last day or two.    You might want to check into it.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:39:44 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Another reward offer ' Message-ID: <3B314250.FF3329C8@fsi.net>   E Y'know, just cuz I'm outta work right now doesn't mean I'm a welcher.    My offer is still good:   G The first person who can double OpenVMS's marketshare before the end of D this year, WITHOUT advertising or marketing and WITHOUT lowering the" price gets $1,000 US cash from me.  B That offer remains good through 31-Dec-2001 at 23:59:59.99 US CST.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:10:32 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> % Subject: Any old ReGIS Graphis around 4 Message-ID: <Wy6Y6.251032$Z2.2945394@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  K Sorry group, this message is not about global warming, SUV's, Walmart, Unix J bashing, wanting Unix utilities or VMS marketing. So 90% of the people who watch this group can ignore it.   I It has been a long time since I saw my last VT241 but the company I am at L recently purchased Reflections for ReGIS. I have dug up some of my old SIXEL> graphic files, but I lost my ReGIS collection a long time ago.  L I recall having a ReGIS file that I picked up when I had a GiGi terminal, itL showed a chemistry set complete with bubbles flowing through the tubes. DoesJ anyone have this, or any other "neat" ReGIS graphics then can post here or point me to?   Thanks.     B P.S. If anyone wants it, here is my favorite Sixel Snoopy picture. $!  
 $ TRUE = 1   $ FALSE = 0   ! $ IF 'f$GETDVI("TT:","TT_SIXEL")'    $ THEN   $ OUTLINE = F$FAO("!ASP5q",ESC)    $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT OUTLINE  8 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "?????????????????????????????????"+-  % "??????????????__OOOGGCEEC????@@@@"+-   % "@@@@@@@@@@???AECGGOOO__??????????"+-   ( "?????????????????????????????????????-"  8 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "?????????????????????????????????"+-  % "???????_OGCCA@???????????????????"+-   % "??????????????????????_`PQQKggggg"+-   ( "ggGOOO__?????????????????????????????-"  8 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "?????????????????????????????????"+-  % "????_WE@?????????????????????????"+-   % "??????????????????wCAx{}}~~~~~~~~"+-   ( "~~~~~}}{xqsG?o???????????????????????-"  8 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "?????????????????????????????????"+-  % "????~????????????????????_OGGCCCC"+-   % "CCGWww{{{{{}}}]]]}~WWRFfn^^^^~~~~"+-   ( "~~~^^^^nfRHCA@???????????????????????-"  8 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT 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"?????????????????????????????????"+-  % "?~???????????????????????????????"+-   % "?????????????????????????????????"+-   ( "??????~??????????????????????????????-"  8 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "?????????????????????????????????"+-  % "?@???????????????????????????????"+-   % "?????????????????????????????????"+-   ( "??????@??????????????????????????????-"   $ OUTLINE = F$FAO("!AS\",ESC)    $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT OUTLINE   $ ELSE   $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT -  - "Sorry, your terminal does not support SIXEL"    $ ENDIF    $!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:39:30 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> > Subject: Re: Carbon dating DEC/VMS users, was: Re: V7.3 backup2 Message-ID: <3B30EEE7.820A0BB6@clarityconnect.com>  E LARS will have an all new meaning shortly :*) or maybe that should be ? :*( .  I've filled out more than my share of LARS in my career.    Simon Clubley wrote: > M > On 19 Jun 2001 10:34:47 -0700, in article <RCnbKg1Ec7p6@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>,  > Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > > 8 > >In article <GNLX6.1522$yp1.39592@www.newsranger.com>,J > >   Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes: > > 1 > >> On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:08:32 GMT, in article K > >> <MPG.15978f1b376208ab989696@news.bellatlantic.net>, John Santos wrote: A > >>>(BTW, don't say "SPR" to them; they don't know what it means I > >>>anymore.  I still have a large stack of 12-part carbon SPR forms.  I 1 > >>>wonder what would happen if I sent one in??)  > >>O > >> Here in the UK, asking to speak to Field Service, instead of whatever they R > >> are called these days, is a good way to get a puzzled response from the other > >> end of the telephone. > >>M > >   Do whatever these Field Service guys are called now still fill out LARSm4 > >reports when they're done working on your system? > >f > >   Or did LARS get RIFed :-)e > >w > N > Actually, I am not familiar with the term "LARS", or if I once was, it's now > forgotten information. > J > If you are referring to the forms in the Field Service site maintainenceM > manual, I haven't had a site maintainence manual for the last 2 generationsy > of my VMS machines.y > M > [For the benefit of newcomers to DEC/CPQ: DEC, as part of your maintainenceeL > contract, used to supply a thick A4 size ring binder containing reports onM > everything that happened at your site. The reports were filled out at every L > visit (including routine PM visits). Are these still in use on high end or > old machine sites ?] > M > >  ps. I am amazed that I can still buy "DECservice" for my systems though.0 > >0 > < > Hush, or they will remove this trace of DEC as well... :-) >  > Simon. >  > --= > Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPrM > Worrying idea #101: What if Microsoft goes into the Ada compiler business ?n   -- iD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jun 2001 12:33:22 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) > Subject: Re: Carbon dating DEC/VMS users, was: Re: V7.3 backup, Message-ID: <WqAZXZ7Bxsyi@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  6 In article <yt5Y6.2839$yp1.85446@www.newsranger.com>, H     Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes:  L >>   Do whatever these Field Service guys are called now still fill out LARS4 >>reports when they're done working on your system?  >> >>   Or did LARS get RIFed :-) >> > N > Actually, I am not familiar with the term "LARS", or if I once was, it's now > forgotten information. >   I    I think it stood for "Labour Activity Reporting System". Originally it?J was a multipart form the service guys had to complete after each call withN how many minutes were spent travelling, waiting for system, doing diagnostics,H eating lunch, arguing with customer, etc. I think it may have later beenI turned into an automated service where they'd call a telephone number and? punch a lot of buttons.   J > If you are referring to the forms in the Field Service site maintainenceM > manual, I haven't had a site maintainence manual for the last 2 generations? > of my VMS machines.+ > =     Nope - I haven't seen a site maintenance manual in years.?  M > [For the benefit of newcomers to DEC/CPQ: DEC, as part of your maintainence L > contract, used to supply a thick A4 size ring binder containing reports onM > everything that happened at your site. The reports were filled out at every?' > visit (including routine PM visits). G  &    Do they still do routine PM visits?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:56:42 GMT + From: "Mark Lawrence" <io@blueyonder.co.uk>?# Subject: CDE on Multiheaded Display_9 Message-ID: <e68Y6.59945$J25.7194456@news1.cableinet.net>    Hi  J Not sure if I'm on the right VMS newsgroup but I had to pick one - being a? relative newbie to VMS (coming from a UNIX/Windows background).w  F I've looked at a all the VMS FAQ's I can find about this but none have- given me an answer, some hints but that's it.n  H I have a triple-headed VMS (Version 7.2) system at  work with CDE as theK windows manager. By default it comes up on screen 0, is there a way to makeRG it come up on screen 1 (the centre screen in my configuration) instead?o  B Failing that is there a way to have a CDE manager on each display?  H Our IT support can't find an answer to this one either, though they haveI heard of displaying a CDE on each head but they can't find how too.......?   Thanks
 Mark Lawrence+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:12:34 -0400?2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)' Subject: Re: CDE on Multiheaded Display?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2006012212380001@user-2ive6pj.dialup.mindspring.com>  I In article <e68Y6.59945$J25.7194456@news1.cableinet.net>, "Mark Lawrence"? <io@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:   > Hi > L > Not sure if I'm on the right VMS newsgroup but I had to pick one - being aA > relative newbie to VMS (coming from a UNIX/Windows background).?   It's the right one.?  H > I've looked at a all the VMS FAQ's I can find about this but none have/ > given me an answer, some hints but that's it.K > J > I have a triple-headed VMS (Version 7.2) system at  work with CDE as theM > windows manager. By default it comes up on screen 0, is there a way to make?I > it come up on screen 1 (the centre screen in my configuration) instead?   F At the worst, you can put screen 1 in the center by swapping cables...  ?D > Failing that is there a way to have a CDE manager on each display?   I don't think that's possible.  J > Our IT support can't find an answer to this one either, though they haveK > heard of displaying a CDE on each head but they can't find how too.......   J Have another look at the DECwindows and New Desktop manuals.  There's someI stuff in there about multihead CDE.  Also, there are some useful comments?= in some of the DECwindows configuration .COM files.  Look at ?J SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE*.TEMPLATE.  That's from memory, so I may not haveG the right name.  I don't remember exactly which manual I found this in,? either.?  ?3 CDE is somewhat stooopid about multiheaded systems.?   -- ? Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:48:25 -0500G% From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net> ' Subject: Re: CDE on Multiheaded Display / Message-ID: <tj2ns1pn810ufd@corp.supernews.com>T   Mark Lawrence wrote:   > Hi > L > Not sure if I'm on the right VMS newsgroup but I had to pick one - being aA > relative newbie to VMS (coming from a UNIX/Windows background).  > H > I've looked at a all the VMS FAQ's I can find about this but none have/ > given me an answer, some hints but that's it.? > J > I have a triple-headed VMS (Version 7.2) system at  work with CDE as theH > windows manager. By default it comes up on screen 0, is there a way toE > make it come up on screen 1 (the centre screen in my configuration)?
 > instead? > D > Failing that is there a way to have a CDE manager on each display? > J > Our IT support can't find an answer to this one either, though they haveK > heard of displaying a CDE on each head but they can't find how too.......? >  > Thanks > Mark Lawrence? >  >  >  >   K CDE does not work well on a multihead display. As Robert Deininger pointed ?K out you can move the cables to make the CDE come upon the center display.  TD I this will not suffice then you can also use the older Motif style 0 graphics which does multihead support very well. -- - Keith Brown- kbrown780@isd.net2   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jun 2001 16:44:25 -0500 From: gleason@encompasserve.orgg/ Subject: Re: Compaq: 180 Days of Transformation 3 Message-ID: <ZQkskZVvXMKB@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  n In article <nfbz$LM8+6IO@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.563109.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell) writes:q > In article <R4cKjQXhWf5C@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes:>v >> In article <JaBX6.1461$wU6.1981124@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:M >>> Big Things are about to happen in Houston. Most of these things will have1O >>> far-reaching ramifications. Shannon Knows Compaq subscribers will of coursetC >>> be apprised of these developments within the next several days.t >>  K >> Say, I'd been wondering how much of Compaq HQ might be flooded after thePH >> storm that recently hit Houston. A friend sent me some pretty graphicM >> pictures from down there, showing roads and bridges under water, etc. Many K >> were from near the Compaq Center. It's supposed to be the worst floodingo >> they've ever had. >  > N > It was quite an adventure for many people in the area.  I pretty much missed: > the actual downpour, since I was in Dallas at the time.     B   I was feeling pretty smug about not having any flood damage fromJ Allison, since my side of the street was high enough to avoid the floodingJ that soaked people on the other side, until I recalled that I had a lot ofD stuff in a storage place, a few blocks away...and it got soaked good and proper.,  D   Lost around $20,000 worth of collectible stuff, mostly comic booksF and science fiction...and a mixed bunch of PDP amd VAX stuff spent twoD days underwater...dried that stuff off, haven't had time to check it  out yet - I'm hoping it'll work.  E   But that's in the past...the REAL problem now is the mosquitos! YouxE can't look out the door without getting 100 of them in the house, andoH they're big ones! They say they'll be around for at least another month.= Doing anything outdoors is right out of the question for now.r   Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR Control-G Consultantse lgleason@houston.rr.comp   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:57:02 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>n Subject: Re: FreeVMS, Message-ID: <3B311C2E.8A736415@infopuls.com>   BERTRAND Jol wrote: > $ > Le Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:44:11 +02000 > Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> crivait :B > >After reading Hoff's post I'm not sure if you are talking about > >the same thing.? > >I had some email exchange with one of the FreeVMS people andSB > >what I understood is that they want to build something like VMS5 > >on top of a UNIX kernel (was it the mach kernel?).w > ! >         It was the mach kernel.e > : > >I suggest to clarify what exactly you have in mind with" > >re-animating a FreeVMS project. > >h > >I see several possibilities:o > >u# > >1.Get Compaq to open source vms.o > J >         It's the best solution, but I don't know if Compaq will be agree > to give VMS sources...  ? That's why I included this option in the rating of "huge amountt? of time of knowledge". To convince Compaq people to open sourceo@ VMS needs different skills than re-writing VMS but it definitely8 needs some very rare skills and a lot of time (visiting," talking, writing, discussing ...).  B > >2.Buy the VMS sources and re-engineer only those parts that are' > >left out for the well known reasons.  > >3.Reverse engineer VMSt( > >  a) using almost the same techniques7 > >  b) use modern techniques (no insulting intended!!)tA > >4.Build a "new" VMS which is compatible wrt API, CLI and other = > >blackbox attributes (blackbox in the sense that it behavesCA > >equally but the work inside may be done completely different).  > J >         For me, a portable VMS clone is a new OS that is compatible with? > OpenVMS. So the FreeVMS project seems to be the 4th solution.JD > We can reuse a microkernel to begin (as Mach4 used in the previous > FreeVMS project).a  ? I'm not sure if this is really the case with the Mach solution.t? At least the driver interface might be completely different butu8 there could probably a VMS driver emulation interface be) implemented as an inner kernel interface.    > 9 > >Any of these "options" needs a huge amount of time and-
 > >knowledge.- >  >         I know...- > 
 >         JKB   * What do you estimate for the 4th solution?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:57:13 +0200o) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>- Subject: Re: FreeVMS+ Message-ID: <3B311C39.5565977@infopuls.com>h   Christopher Smith wrote: > > -----Original Message-----4 > > From: Christof Brass [mailto:brass@infopuls.com] > C > > After reading Hoff's post I'm not sure if you are talking abouti > > the same thing.s > L > Don't remember Hoff's post, myself, but I know he is aware of the project.$ > It's likely to have been the same.  = I was referring to the first response message to this thread.h  @ > > I had some email exchange with one of the FreeVMS people andC > > what I understood is that they want to build something like VMS26 > > on top of a UNIX kernel (was it the mach kernel?). > G > Sounds right to me.  It was supposed to be based on Mach.  Of course, D > strictly speaking, Mach is not really a Unix kernel, since Unix isI > monolithic.  Mach has also been used to do not-quite-unix things beforee > (NeXTStep, for instance).o  < Interesting remark. I regarded NeXTSTEP as sitting on top of UNIX.s    > > I see several possibilities: > $ > > 1.Get Compaq to open source vms.C > > 2.Buy the VMS sources and re-engineer only those parts that areU( > > left out for the well known reasons. > H > If I read you right, you mean to buy the source listings, and go aboutD > re-writing all the missing code/making your own build environment?   Yup.  ; > That's interesting.  It certainly wouldn't be "free."  :)e  8 Strictly speaking you're right. But from a technical and: practical point of view this would be more than sufficient7 because it would allow to use a VMS like OS in whatever ? environment you could. I don't see any problem in having to pay > a nominal fee to Compaq for doing this. The concept of free SW= should emphasise the freedom of usage and open source not thei$ condition to get something for free.   > > 3.Reverse engineer VMS) > >   a) using almost the same techniquess8 > >   b) use modern techniques (no insulting intended!!)B > > 4.Build a "new" VMS which is compatible wrt API, CLI and other> > > blackbox attributes (blackbox in the sense that it behavesB > > equally but the work inside may be done completely different). > H > These two options could end up being very similar in the end.  I thinkM > that's probably the best option from the standpoint of plausibility, unlessi< > you really think Compaq is likely to "open source" VMS. :)  ? I'm not sure if we understand each other. With option 3 I meantc= an inside similar solution by really checking what's going ono? with help of a disassembler a.s.o.. The result should be almost,
 identical OS.:  8 With option 4 I thought of a solution which is much less similar.  F > On the other hand, if they did, maybe we could have a FreeNSK too ;)   Who would want that?  : > > Any of these "options" needs a huge amount of time and > > knowledge. > = > Certainly.  Writing an operating system isn't for wimps. :)   8 But there are big differences. I know OSs which could be< implemented by one person in one year. VMS doesn't belong to? this category. Would you like to estimate the amount for one oro any of these options?p  
 > Regards, >  > Chrism > # > Christopher Smith, Perl Developer' > Amdocs - Champaign, IL >  > /usr/bin/perl -e 'A > print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");a > 'o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:02:52 -0500p+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>  Subject: RE: FreeVMSL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1FA5@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>    e   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Christof Brass [mailto:brass@infopuls.com]   > Christopher Smith wrote:  > > > -----Original Message-----6 > > > From: Christof Brass [mailto:brass@infopuls.com]  8 > > > on top of a UNIX kernel (was it the mach kernel?).  ? > > Sounds right to me.  It was supposed to be based on Mach.  5 > Of course,F > > strictly speaking, Mach is not really a Unix kernel, since Unix is> > > monolithic.  Mach has also been used to do not-quite-unix  > things beforer > > (NeXTStep, for instance)..  > > Interesting remark. I regarded NeXTSTEP as sitting on top of > UNIX.v  B That's one way to look at it.  It was, however, sold as a completeK "NeXTStep" operating system, which was certainly improved from normal Unix,o	 at least.t  > > > If I read you right, you mean to buy the source listings,  > and go aboutF > > re-writing all the missing code/making your own build environment?   > Yup.  = > > That's interesting.  It certainly wouldn't be "free."  :)   : > Strictly speaking you're right. But from a technical and< > practical point of view this would be more than sufficient9 > because it would allow to use a VMS like OS in whateverpA > environment you could. I don't see any problem in having to payc@ > a nominal fee to Compaq for doing this. The concept of free SW? > should emphasise the freedom of usage and open source not the & > condition to get something for free.  D From what I've heard, source listings are less expensive than normalE licenses -- maybe this could be David Dachtera's "affordable VMS." ;)s   > > > 3.Reverse engineer VMS+ > > >   a) using almost the same techniquesl: > > >   b) use modern techniques (no insulting intended!!)D > > > 4.Build a "new" VMS which is compatible wrt API, CLI and other@ > > > blackbox attributes (blackbox in the sense that it behavesD > > > equally but the work inside may be done completely different).  = > > These two options could end up being very similar in the e > end.  I thinkn  A > I'm not sure if we understand each other. With option 3 I meant ? > an inside similar solution by really checking what's going onuA > with help of a disassembler a.s.o.. The result should be almosto > identical OS.i  2 Ahh, ok, I think I read that wrong the first time.  H > > On the other hand, if they did, maybe we could have a FreeNSK too ;)   > Who would want that?  # I don't know.  I was mostly joking.V  ? > > Certainly.  Writing an operating system isn't for wimps. :)f  : > But there are big differences. I know OSs which could be> > implemented by one person in one year. VMS doesn't belong toA > this category. Would you like to estimate the amount for one ore > any of these options?   A Good point.  Now that you mention it, a couple spring to my mind.g   Regards,   Chrisa    ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer8 Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jun 2001 22:53:15 -0700' From: piet@timmers-it.nl (Piet Timmers)n= Subject: Re: How to see who causes execessive login failures.c= Message-ID: <be44b12d.0106202153.60eacd36@posting.google.com>s   > > E > > Well that is just my problem. I made a commandfile to execute theiJ > > command $MCR LATCP SHOW PORT whith the output to a file. But I captureF > > the correct LTA device, but there is still no extra information to% > > pinpoint to the correct terminal.o > >  > B > How often are these coming?  You'll get the same data if someone) > connects and , such as if they realizedt > it's the wrong system. > F I know, but these message are comming  two or three times a minut, andD that during the whole day. But when a user enters ^Z at the usernameD prompt the record will show from what device this is done, as can be seen in the next record.5                       Security Audit Analysis UtilityeP --------------------------------------------------------------------------------B Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on ABC123,
 system id: 51 : Auditable event:          Remote interactive login failure1 Event time:               21-JUN-2001 07:47:02.69 * PID:                      206109BE        * Process name:             _TNA681:        * Username:                 <login>         " Process owner:            [SYSTEM]E Terminal name:            _TNA681:, Host: 100.100.190.105  Port: 1098eF Image name:               DSA100:[SYS2.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]LOGINOUT.EXE- Remote node id:           1684323945         () Remote node fullname:     100.100.190.105 ) Remote username:          TELNET_6464BE69nB Status:                   %LOGIN-F-CMDINPUT, error reading command input   A The loginfailures I want to analyze do not contain remote node ors# physical terminal name information.c   > H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationa? > NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupfG >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jun 2001 21:43:25 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: Intrusion & Password Checking3 Message-ID: <oWVZTNXBPqGv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <3b2c98c7.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:  G > Intrusion: Is it possible to use $SCAN_INTRUSION for checking withoutrH > having the service insert a suspect record (as I read it, the entry inG > the System Services Reference suggests this is possible)? Or do I useN > $SHOW_INTRUSION for that?t  8 Why would you want to avoid inserting a suspect record ?; Are you intent on letting the attacker have unlimited triese= at guessing a password over the web interface and then switcho7 to a regular login once the password has been guessed ?.  L > Dictionary: Does one use a key of the actual length of the password-to-be,E > or fill it up with NULs to the record size (32)? The first approachtB > would find "xyz" even though only "xyzzy" is listed in the file.  > Don't use approaches that produce wrong answers.  The question> of what is the fill character can be resolved by DUMPing a bit of the disctionary file.  D > History: Is the record format documented somewhere? I believe it's: >   struct { char username[32]; quadword hashed_pw[...]; }  ? In general, unsupported interfaces to VMS are documented in them Source Listings Kit.  J > where username is the key and the number of hashed PWs can be calculatedI > from rab$w_rsz returned for a record. How does one compare a PW againstsI > the hashed PWs? I.e. where does one get the algorithm and the salt fromf' > to $HASH_PASSWORD the password-to-be?w  D The algorithm and salt should be stored wherever the hashed passwordI is being stored.  For VMS system passwords, this is in the SYSUAF record.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:41:21 +0100:+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>2" Subject: Re: les$acp_v30 need help' Message-ID: <3B30FC61.544B3AB6@iee.org>u  
 nelson wrote:r >  > Hi:w > I have a problem.i' > My system is vax6620 with openvms5.5.SN > I found a bug ,the les$acp_v30 will occupied large cpu utilization and causeL > my real-time AP crash.I checked www.openvms.com ,this is a bug and need toN > install openvms 7.0 patch to avoid.But  I can't upgrade OS to 7.0 ,due to AP > architecture .J > Is anybody know how to avoid or correct this bug by change vms or decnet( > setting or modify programming method ?  + LES$ACP_V30 is part of PSI rather than partn/ of OpenVMS so you almost certainly need to lookc* at upgrading to the latest version of PSI.  % What version exactly are you running?    Antonior   -- s   ---------------c- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jun 2001 20:07:29 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)H Subject: mailextract.c, a VMS->UNIX mail file converter (works on 7.2-1), Message-ID: <9gqvq1$dcs@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  K Recently I tried one of VMS->Unix mail file converters and it wouldn't work.D on my 7.2-1 alpha system.  It was relying on carnal knowledge of theK mail.mai file and something had changed.  Rather than trying to fix that, IuG whipped up mailextract.c, which follows my signature.  It seems to work@E correctly on the small number of mail.mai files I've tried it on.  ItuF converted all 4000 or so mail messages in my own mail.mai, in numerousF folders, without any apparent errors. Attachments, if present, are notJ destroyed.  It can't do much about DECNET mail, but it at least munges theJ "From " line into a format that Neomail and some others can handle so thatG you can try to figure out who sent it. I expect that there will be somei0 forms of mail addresses it will hack to pieces.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech s  F **********************************************************************   /* MAILEXTRACT.C@    This program extracts all mail messages from all folders fromF    a specified MAIL.MAI and writes them as Unix compatible mail files.    n    Build with:         $ cc mailextract'    $ link mailextractr*    $ mailextract :== $wherever:mailextract    wG    This is based on the examples in the OpenVMS Utility Routines Manual K    and from the PTMAIL program.  Large chunks are copied from those sourcesnC    verbatim or modified slightly.  This is not a particularly cleanmB    piece of code because it was sewn together in a single day fromI    these different sources which gives it a certain Frankenstein quality.nL    Hopefully it will remain valid for some time as it uses the mail$ library    routines.    0G    It takes mandatory parameter, which is the full path to the mail.main    file.  Example:    d-    $ mailextract usrdisk:[users.fred]mail.maih,    Dumped     5 messages from folder ADDENDA)    Dumped     3 messages from folder MAILt,    Dumped    18 messages from folder NEWMAIL%    Total     26 messages in 3 folders         e     #    David Mathog, mathog@caltech.edur    Biology Division, Caltech    18-JUN-2001     H    Sorry to say, this is probably the last piece of code I'll ever write    for this OS :-(.n    R */      #include <stdio.h> s #include <stdlib.h>  #include <string.h>  #include <descrip.h> 2 #include <ctype.h> 0 #include <ssdef.h> B #include <maildef.h> #include <descrip.h> #include <nam.h> #include <lib$routines.h>. #include <ctype.h> #include <signal.h>d #include <unixio.h>1   #define MAIL$_NOMOREREC 8314792o #define MAIL$_NOTEXIST  8290522a #define MAIL$_NOMOREMSG 8290386y #define MAIL$_NOSUCHUSR 8290346  #define MAIL$_USERSPEC  8290402n  ! 	/* True and false definitions */S #define TRUE	1 #define FALSE	0e #define YES     1e #define NO      0o     #define vms_ok(x) ((x) & 1)e   /* structures and typedefs */t   typedef struct itmlst  {    short buffer_length; t   short item_code; m   void *buffer_address;    long *return_length_address; e
 } ITMLST;    typedef struct {   short unsigned int buf_len;v   short unsigned int item_code;    char *buf_addr;'   unsigned int *ret_len_addr;  } vms_item;      typedef struct {   short buffer_length;   short item_code;   void *buffer_address;k   long *return_length_address; } itemlist;s  
 struct list {    struct list *next;   char *foldername;    long message_count;v };   typedef struct msg_entry {   struct msg_entry *prev;g   struct msg_entry *next;B
   long id;   long size;   char date[NAM$C_MAXRSS+1];   char from[NAM$C_MAXRSS+1];   char reply[NAM$C_MAXRSS+1];e   char subject[NAM$C_MAXRSS+1];t   char dest[NAM$C_MAXRSS+1];
   long flags;n } msg_entry;   /* prototypes */  3 void open_message(void); /* originally in mail.c */ % void close_message(void); /* ditto */c8 int  decc$free(void *ptr); /* prototype for decc$free */    extern int mail$message_begin(); extern int mail$message_end();! extern int mail$message_select();a extern int mail$message_get(); extern int mail$message_copy();b extern int mail$message_info();u! extern int mail$mailfile_begin();  extern int mail$mailfile_end();r  extern int mail$mailfile_open();! extern int mail$mailfile_close();u$ extern int mail$mailfile_compress();' extern int mail$mailfile_purge_waste(); % extern int mail$mailfile_info_file();n extern int mail$user_begin();n extern int mail$user_end();   extern int mail$user_get_info();  extern int mail$user_set_info(); extern int mail$send_begin();- extern int mail$send_end();d extern int mail$send_abort();t# extern int mail$send_add_address();-% extern int mail$send_add_attribute();0$ extern int mail$send_add_bodypart(); extern int mail$send_message();e    
 /* globals */.   msg_entry *gmsgs       = NULL; msg_entry *tmp_msg     = NULL; int  message_context   = 0;h int  file_context      = 0;f struct list *tmp       = NULL;  o void loud_free( void *ptr){  #include <lib$routines.h>  #include <ssdef.h>   if(decc$free(ptr) != 0){1      (void) printf("illegal free() operation\n");t#      (void) lib$signal(SS$_ACCVIO);    }e }r  ; /*spacetounderscore replaces all spaces with underscores */ ' char * spacetounderscore(char *string){M
   char *p;   for(p=string;*p!='\0';p++){      if(*p==' ')*p='_';   }l   return(string);p }   > /* Noquotes, works back from the end of a string and extracts J the part that is inside of quotes.  It assumes that all quotes are matched@ and that there aren't multiple quotes.  That is, it will convert     smtp%"adress" to address,q      7 but whacko things like "blah"@wherever will be mangled.t  % This does modify the input string!!! g5 DECNET is set to 1 if there was no "@" encountered */   + char * noquotes(char *string, int *decnet){.
   int pos;C   int state; /* 1 looking for last quote, 0 looking for matching */t   char * toret;s   2   *decnet = 1;  /* default to is decnet message */8   for(state=1, pos = strlen(string)-1;pos >= 0 ; pos--){$     if(string[pos] == '@')*decnet=0;     if(string[pos] == '"'){i       if(state == 1){n         string[pos] = '\0';y         state       =    0;r       }n       else {         toret = &string[pos+1];          return(toret);       }w     }l   }    return(string);n }a       #include <descrip.h> #include <libdef.h>o #include <libdtdef.h>  #include <time.h>m #include <ssdef.h> #include <stddef.h>W #include <stdio.h>   /* d,  originally was routine asccm_to_bin() from   oI Michael G. Miller                       "Just another number in the grands: Ford Motor Credit Company               design." -- Boston mmiller4@fc.ford.com  *  modified to take in dates in this format:  P  11-FEB-1992 08:03:16.75  x!  and write them back out again ast     Mon Jun 18 07:39:44 2001     o */   char *uformat(char *string)f {e #define BIGENOUGH 200p  static char in_ptr[BIGENOUGH];i   static char out_ptr[BIGENOUGH];  static int usr_cntxt_in;r  static int usr_cntxt_out;  int st = 0;8  struct dt_default_fields flags = {1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1};  $DESCRIPTOR(in_dt, in_ptr);  $DESCRIPTOR(out_dt, out_ptr);  char timeslot[8];?  char *bin=timeslot; /* a place to store the 8 bytes of time */   a  s  (void) strcpy(in_ptr,string);%  in_dt.dsc$w_length = strlen(in_ptr);o%  out_dt.dsc$w_length = BIGENOUGH - 4;s  9  /* Initialize the user context for the input date formatb       DD-MMM-YYYY hh:mm:ss.cc      and the output data format       Mon DD hh:mm:ss YYYY    g    u */    if(usr_cntxt_in == 0){ >      $DESCRIPTOR(ini_str, "|!DB-!MAAU-!Y4 !HH4:!MM:!SS.!C2|");3      st = LIB$INIT_DATE_TIME_CONTEXT(&usr_cntxt_in, /                 &LIB$K_INPUT_FORMAT, &ini_str);V  @      $DESCRIPTOR(ini_str2, "|!WAC !MAAC !D0 !H04:!M0:!S0 !Y4|");D      /*                       3  1  3  1 2  1  21 2 1 2  1 4 = 24 */4      st = LIB$INIT_DATE_TIME_CONTEXT(&usr_cntxt_out,1                 &LIB$K_OUTPUT_FORMAT, &ini_str2);~    }    /* convert to binary format */"  )      st = LIB$CONVERT_DATE_STRING(&in_dt,-&                                   bin,0                                   &usr_cntxt_in,)                                   &flags,3$                                   0,%                                   0);-"                                     f$  /* convert back to string format */'      st = LIB$FORMAT_DATE_TIME(&out_dt,i&                                   bin,1                                   &usr_cntxt_out,o)                                   &flags, $                                   0,%                                   0);s"                                   ,      out_ptr[24]='\0';  /* null terminate */       return out_ptr; }e    8 void write_to_file(FILE *f, char *quote, char *orig_str) {r #define WRAPAT 131 char *lstr = orig_str; char *p;    &         while( strlen(lstr) > WRAPAT )	         { $                 p = &lstr[WRAPAT-1];:                 if( *p == ' ' || *p == '\t' || p == lstr )                 {a&                         *(p++) = '\0';                 }o                 else                 {tK                         while( *(--p) != ' ' && *p != '\t' && p != lstr ) ; '                         if( p == lstr )i                         { +                         char tmp[WRAPAT+1];mB                                 (void) strncpy(tmp, lstr, WRAPAT);3                                 tmp[WRAPAT] = '\0';e; 	                        if(strncasecmp(tmp,"from ",5)==0){oK                                   (void) fprintf(f, ">%s%s\n", quote, tmp); (                                 } else {J                                   (void) fprintf(f, "%s%s\n", quote, tmp);!                                 }i5                                 lstr = &lstr[WRAPAT];h)                                 continue;S                         }n  &                         *(p++) = '\0';                 }   @                 /* Skip over leading whitespace of next line. */5                 while( *p == ' ' || *p == '\t' ) p++;r9                 (void) fprintf(f, "%s%s\n", quote, lstr);b                 lstr = p;h	         }d$ 	if(strncasecmp(lstr,"from ",5)==0){4           (void) fprintf(f, ">%s%s\n", quote, lstr);         } else {3           (void) fprintf(f, "%s%s\n", quote, lstr);h	         }t }      /*  K  dump_msg will get a message from VMS MAIL by using the message_id and thenlM  dump it into a given file. It has the option to leave out the headers and/orh#  put a quote in front of the lines.f */B int dump_msg(msg_entry *message_data, char *quote, char *filename,    int showheaders, int *newfile) {a   char message[NAM$C_MAXRSS+2];    long mlen, total = 0;.   static FILE *f=NULL;   char ufromline[200];   char *dequoted;r   int   decnet;.     itemlist null_list[1];   itemlist itmlst_select[2];   itemlist itmlst_in[2];   itemlist itmlst_out[2];u  )   null_list[0].buffer_length         = 0;e)   null_list[0].item_code             = 0;N)   null_list[0].buffer_address        = 0;m)   null_list[0].return_length_address = 0;p  -   itmlst_select[0].buffer_length         = 4;L<   itmlst_select[0].item_code             = MAIL$_MESSAGE_ID;=   itmlst_select[0].buffer_address        = &message_data->id;--   itmlst_select[0].return_length_address = 0;t-   itmlst_select[1].buffer_length         = 0;w-   itmlst_select[1].item_code             = 0; -   itmlst_select[1].buffer_address        = 0;n-   itmlst_select[1].return_length_address = 0;y  -   itmlst_in[0].buffer_length             = 0; B   itmlst_in[0].item_code                 = MAIL$_MESSAGE_CONTINUE;-   itmlst_in[0].buffer_address            = 0;s-   itmlst_in[0].return_length_address     = 0;h-   itmlst_in[1].buffer_length             = 0; -   itmlst_in[1].item_code                 = 0;o-   itmlst_in[1].buffer_address            = 0; -   itmlst_in[1].return_length_address     = 0;   9   itmlst_out[0].buffer_length             = NAM$C_MAXRSS;rA   itmlst_out[0].item_code                 = MAIL$_MESSAGE_RECORD;t4   itmlst_out[0].buffer_address            = message;2   itmlst_out[0].return_length_address     = &mlen;.   itmlst_out[1].buffer_length             = 0;.   itmlst_out[1].item_code                 = 0;.   itmlst_out[1].buffer_address            = 0;.   itmlst_out[1].return_length_address     = 0;  ;   mlen = 0;  /* it has initialization problems otherwise */n  N   if (!vms_ok(mail$message_get(&message_context, itmlst_select, null_list))) {E     (void) fprintf(stderr, "Error in mail$message_get [dump_msg]\n");r     exit(SS$_NORMAL);l   }    0   /* construct the unix from line (ufromline) */A   (void) strcpy(ufromline,"From "); /* this is case sensitive! */g[   dequoted = noquotes(message_data->from, &decnet); /* decnet = 1 means a decnet message */ %   if(decnet == 0){ /* smtp message */a&     (void) strcat(ufromline,dequoted);   } 	   else { T9     (void) strcat(ufromline,spacetounderscore(dequoted));r0     (void) strcat(ufromline,"@was.decnet.mail");   }t   (void) strcat(ufromline," ");o7   (void) strcat(ufromline,uformat(message_data->date));-  "   /* Open a file to write to... */      if(*newfile != 0){$      if (f != NULL)(void) fclose(f);'      if (!(f = fopen(filename, "w"))){ G        return(0);       }      *newfile=0;(      (void) fprintf(f,"%s\n",ufromline);
   } else {*      (void) fprintf(f,"\n%s\n",ufromline);   }-  F   /* decnet mail has no headers in message, fake them using those fromD      structure.  There is no way to reply to this mail, but at least'      we'll know who, when, and what. */n      m   if(decnet == 1){ aO     (void) fprintf(f,"From: %s@was.decnet.mail\n",spacetounderscore(dequoted));(<     (void) fprintf(f,"Subject: %s\n",message_data->subject);8     (void) fprintf(f,"Date: %s\n\n",message_data->date);   }i& 				/* Get each line in the message */C   while (mail$message_get(&message_context, itmlst_in, itmlst_out) )          != MAIL$_NOMOREREC) {?     if ((total <= 5) && 	/* Skip 1st 5 lines and all headers */eP         ((strstr(message, "Return-path:")) || (strstr(message, "Received:"))) &&         !showheaders) {n<       while (mlen != 0) {	/* until there is an empty line */E         if (mail$message_get(&message_context, itmlst_in, itmlst_out)l          == MAIL$_NOMOREREC){ A          (void) fprintf(f, "\n"); /* one line between messages */t          break;y          } h       }z     } else {0       total++;			/* increase the line counter */4       message[mlen] = 0;		/* Truncate the message */3 				/* And print it to the file with a insertion */oE       if (total > 5 || showheaders) write_to_file(f, quote, message);e%     }				/* End of if ((tota..else */3   }				/* End of while... */'   return(1);			/* And return an 'ok' */  }    /*H  get_and_dump_msgs will take a foldername and will retrieve each message-  and then dump it to a file named foldername.r */0 void get_msgs(char *foldername, long *msg_count) {a   msg_entry the_msg;   itemlist itmlst_folder_in[3];     itemlist itmlst_folder_out[2];   itemlist itmlst_message[7];d"   itemlist itmlst_next_message[3];     long counter, status;e+   msg_entry *tmp_msg, *last_msg, *msgs = 0;y   int isnewfolder;      *msg_count = 0;d   isnewfolder = 1;  A   itmlst_folder_in[0].buffer_length         = strlen(foldername);tC   itmlst_folder_in[0].item_code             = MAIL$_MESSAGE_FOLDER;p9   itmlst_folder_in[0].buffer_address        = foldername;r0   itmlst_folder_in[0].return_length_address = 0;0   itmlst_folder_in[1].buffer_length         = 0;=   itmlst_folder_in[1].item_code             = MAIL$_NOSIGNAL;r0   itmlst_folder_in[1].buffer_address        = 0;0   itmlst_folder_in[1].return_length_address = 0;0   itmlst_folder_in[2].buffer_length         = 0;0   itmlst_folder_in[2].item_code             = 0;0   itmlst_folder_in[2].buffer_address        = 0;0   itmlst_folder_in[2].return_length_address = 0;  1   itmlst_folder_out[0].buffer_length         = 4; F   itmlst_folder_out[0].item_code             = MAIL$_MESSAGE_SELECTED;9   itmlst_folder_out[0].buffer_address        = msg_count; 1   itmlst_folder_out[0].return_length_address = 0; 1   itmlst_folder_out[1].buffer_length         = 0;-1   itmlst_folder_out[1].item_code             = 0;s1   itmlst_folder_out[1].buffer_address        = 0;e1   itmlst_folder_out[1].return_length_address = 0;      open_message();9C   status = mail$message_select(&message_context, itmlst_folder_in, a     				itmlst_folder_out);l8   if ((status == MAIL$_NOTEXIST) || (*msg_count == 0)) {3     *msg_count = 0;		/* What? no msgs??? Oh well */a     return;a   }				/* End of if (statu.. */    if (!vms_ok(status)) {I     (void) fprintf(stderr, "Error in mail$message_select [msg_entry]\n");e     exit(SS$_NORMAL);e   }d9   last_msg = 0;			/* Let loop through all the messages */o6   for (counter = 0; counter < *msg_count; counter++) {     tmp_msg = &the_msg;r     1     (void) memset(tmp_msg, 0, sizeof(msg_entry));        0     itmlst_message[0].buffer_length         = 4;G     itmlst_message[0].item_code             = MAIL$_MESSAGE_CURRENT_ID; ;     itmlst_message[0].buffer_address        = &tmp_msg->id;m0     itmlst_message[0].return_length_address = 0;;     itmlst_message[1].buffer_length         = NAM$C_MAXRSS;sA     itmlst_message[1].item_code             = MAIL$_MESSAGE_DATE;*<     itmlst_message[1].buffer_address        = tmp_msg->date;0     itmlst_message[1].return_length_address = 0;0     itmlst_message[2].buffer_length         = 4;A     itmlst_message[2].item_code             = MAIL$_MESSAGE_SIZE; =     itmlst_message[2].buffer_address        = &tmp_msg->size;a0     itmlst_message[2].return_length_address = 0;;     itmlst_message[3].buffer_length         = NAM$C_MAXRSS; A     itmlst_message[3].item_code             = MAIL$_MESSAGE_FROM;o<     itmlst_message[3].buffer_address        = tmp_msg->from;0     itmlst_message[3].return_length_address = 0;;     itmlst_message[4].buffer_length         = NAM$C_MAXRSS;wG     itmlst_message[4].item_code             = MAIL$_MESSAGE_REPLY_PATH;i=     itmlst_message[4].buffer_address        = tmp_msg->reply;.0     itmlst_message[4].return_length_address = 0;;     itmlst_message[5].buffer_length         = NAM$C_MAXRSS;$D     itmlst_message[5].item_code             = MAIL$_MESSAGE_SUBJECT;?     itmlst_message[5].buffer_address        = tmp_msg->subject; 0     itmlst_message[5].return_length_address = 0;0     itmlst_message[6].buffer_length         = 0;0     itmlst_message[6].item_code             = 0;0     itmlst_message[6].buffer_address        = 0;0     itmlst_message[6].return_length_address = 0;  5     itmlst_next_message[0].buffer_length         = 0;uF     itmlst_next_message[0].item_code             = MAIL$_MESSAGE_NEXT;5     itmlst_next_message[0].buffer_address        = 0; 5     itmlst_next_message[0].return_length_address = 0;a5     itmlst_next_message[1].buffer_length         = 0;iB     itmlst_next_message[1].item_code             = MAIL$_NOSIGNAL;5     itmlst_next_message[1].buffer_address        = 0;L5     itmlst_next_message[1].return_length_address = 0; 5     itmlst_next_message[2].buffer_length         = 0;d5     itmlst_next_message[2].item_code             = 0;n5     itmlst_next_message[2].buffer_address        = 0; 5     itmlst_next_message[2].return_length_address = 0;    				/* get the info! yeah... */lF     status = mail$message_info(&message_context, itmlst_next_message,        				itmlst_message);#     if (status == MAIL$_NOMOREMSG){n>       (void)printf("Last message retrieved was %d\n",counter);E       counter = *msg_count;	/* no more messages? ok, we are done.. */t     }h
     else {       if (!vms_ok(status)) {K         (void) fprintf(stderr, "Error in mail$message_info [msg_entry]\n");t         exit(SS$_NORMAL);x       }				/* if (!vms_ok... */mD       (void) dump_msg(tmp_msg, "", foldername, FALSE, &isnewfolder);     }				/* if (status ==... */B   }				/* for (counter... */	   return;A  }    				/* End of get_msgs() */      & msg_entry *clear_msgs(msg_entry *msgs) {    msg_entry *tmp_msg;]  G   while (msgs != 0) {       /* First give memory back if any is used */y     tmp_msg = msgs;e     msgs = tmp_msg->next;i     loud_free(tmp_msg);m   }e   return(msgs);* }    /*B  open_message will open the MAIL file and get the message context  */ void open_message(void)t {i   int locstatus;   itemlist null_list[1];   itemlist itmlst_begin[3];s   )   null_list[0].buffer_length         = 0;x)   null_list[0].item_code             = 0;m)   null_list[0].buffer_address        = 0;l)   null_list[0].return_length_address = 0;(  ?   itmlst_begin[0].buffer_length         = sizeof(file_context);mA   itmlst_begin[0].item_code             = MAIL$_MESSAGE_FILE_CTX;$8   itmlst_begin[0].buffer_address        = &file_context;,   itmlst_begin[0].return_length_address = 0;,   itmlst_begin[1].buffer_length         = 0;9   itmlst_begin[1].item_code             = MAIL$_NOSIGNAL;d,   itmlst_begin[1].buffer_address        = 0;,   itmlst_begin[1].return_length_address = 0;,   itmlst_begin[2].buffer_length         = 0;,   itmlst_begin[2].item_code             = 0;,   itmlst_begin[2].buffer_address        = 0;,   itmlst_begin[2].return_length_address = 0;  ,   if (message_context != 0) close_message();J   locstatus=mail$message_begin(&message_context, itmlst_begin, null_list);    }				/* End of open_message() */   /*'  close_message will close the MAIL fileo */ void close_message(void) {i   itemlist null_list[1];  )   null_list[0].buffer_length         = 0;d)   null_list[0].item_code             = 0;s)   null_list[0].buffer_address        = 0;))   null_list[0].return_length_address = 0;)  A   (void) mail$message_end(message_context, null_list, null_list);e   message_context = 0;: }                               /* End of close_message */    E int  folder_routine(struct list *mlist, struct dsc$descriptor *name) e {    if (name->dsc$w_length)      {        while (mlist->next)        mlist = mlist->next; e  l1       mlist->next = malloc(sizeof(struct list)); t       mlist = mlist->next; i       mlist->next = 0; o:       mlist->foldername = malloc(name->dsc$w_length + 1); P       (void) strncpy(mlist->foldername,name->dsc$a_pointer,name->dsc$w_length); 4       mlist->foldername[name->dsc$w_length] = '\0';             }    return(SS$_NORMAL);  }   s" int main (int argc, char *argv[])  { ,   static struct list mlist = {NULL,NULL,0};       char themailfile[255];   int messages_selected = 0;   int total_folders     = 0;     int total_messages    = 0;   int isnewfolder;   9   /* this assumes that argv[1] is the name of the file.   4   If none is supplied, the current user's is used */      if(argc != 2){N     (void) fprintf(stderr,"useage:  $ mailextract disk:[dir.user]mail.mai\n");     exit(EXIT_FAILURE);.   }    else {'     (void) strcpy(themailfile,argv[1]);    }i          ;e	   ITMLST       nulllist[] = {{0,0,0,0}},      message_in_itmlst[] = { F       {sizeof(file_context),MAIL$_MESSAGE_FILE_CTX, &file_context,0},        {0,0,0,0}}, "     message_mailfile_itmlst[] = { G       {strlen(themailfile),MAIL$_MAILFILE_DEFAULT_NAME,themailfile,0}, 7       {0,0,0,0}},      mailfile_info_itmlst[] = { fC       {4,MAIL$_MAILFILE_FOLDER_ROUTINE, (void *)folder_routine,0}, i-       {4,MAIL$_MAILFILE_USER_DATA,&mlist,0}, x       {0,0,0,0}}, #     message_select_in_itmlst[] = {  $       {0,MAIL$_MESSAGE_FOLDER,0,0},        {0,0,0,0}}, $     message_select_out_itmlst[] = { O       {sizeof(messages_selected),MAIL$_MESSAGE_SELECTED,&messages_selected,0}, 8       {0,0,0,0}};    Q   if ( (mail$mailfile_begin(&file_context, nulllist, nulllist) == SS$_NORMAL) && .a        ( mail$mailfile_open(&file_context, message_mailfile_itmlst, nulllist) == SS$_NORMAL)  &&  <        (SS$_NORMAL == mail$mailfile_info_file(&file_context,-            mailfile_info_itmlst,nulllist)) &&s:        (SS$_NORMAL == mail$message_begin(&message_context,-            message_in_itmlst,nulllist))   ) {_
               tmp = &mlist;           while(tmp->next) {       tmp = tmp->next; C      message_select_in_itmlst[0].buffer_address = tmp->foldername;  J      message_select_in_itmlst[0].buffer_length = strlen(tmp->foldername); /      if (mail$message_select(&message_context,  "         message_select_in_itmlst, 4         message_select_out_itmlst) == SS$_NORMAL) {  /*6          (void) printf("Folder %s has %d messages\n", 1             tmp->foldername, messages_selected);   */.          total_messages += messages_selected;           total_folders++; 	        }      }    }     C  /* Read in all the messages in each folder and output to a file */         r3  for(tmp = mlist.next; tmp!=NULL; tmp = tmp->next){_!      if(tmp->foldername == NULL){ A        (void) printf("Oops, fatal error, folder with no name\n");t        exit(EXIT_FAILURE);      }      gmsgs = clear_msgs(gmsgs); 4      get_msgs(tmp->foldername, &tmp->message_count);^      (void) printf("Dumped %6d messages from folder %s\n",tmp->message_count,tmp->foldername);  }U  (void) printf("Total  %6d messages in %d folders\n",total_messages, total_folders); R?  (void) mail$message_end(&message_context, nulllist, nulllist);r@  (void) mail$mailfile_close(&file_context, nulllist, nulllist); =  (void) mail$mailfile_end(&file_context, nulllist, nulllist);)  exit (EXIT_SUCCESS);  }    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:29:03 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>h( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing( Message-ID: <3B30EB6F.50B93AAC@mmaz.com>   Dean Woodward wrote:   > Jerry Leslie wrote:  > > G > > Microsoft prefers FreeBSD. They use it for DNS servers for Hotmail,y* > > and have used it in Windows 2000, per: > > + > >    http://www.msnbc.com/news/588803.asp  >  > Now *that's* funny!o  G Yeap, but remember that MS didn't create HOTMAIL, they bought it and no,H doubt the folks that originally created HOTMAIL (I heard it was a coupleF college students as a summer project) probably did it on the cheap andF maybe MS hasn't had the time or motivation to alter what works, unlike  their software upgrade policy...   Barryt   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO0  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028p   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:26:08 -0700r% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>%( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing) Message-ID: <3B30F8D0.CA3907B6@rdrop.com>r   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: >  > Dean Woodward wrote: >  > > Jerry Leslie wrote:  > > > I > > > Microsoft prefers FreeBSD. They use it for DNS servers for Hotmail,_, > > > and have used it in Windows 2000, per: > > >s- > > >    http://www.msnbc.com/news/588803.aspt > >t > > Now *that's* funny!e > I > Yeap, but remember that MS didn't create HOTMAIL, they bought it and notJ > doubt the folks that originally created HOTMAIL (I heard it was a coupleH > college students as a summer project) probably did it on the cheap andH > maybe MS hasn't had the time or motivation to alter what works, unlike" > their software upgrade policy...  H Ah, but they did have motivation- ever since they bought HOTMAIL, MS hasH been taking flak for it not being run on MS software, and they announced@ that it *was* all MS not too long ago.  It was reportedly in theG aftermath of the great DNS snafu there (where MS & hotmail sites around_G the world were unavailable) that they decided FreeBSD wasn't such a badS thing after all...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:16:18 GMTrL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")( Subject: Re: Misuse of OpenVMS Marketing8 Message-ID: <009FDD1C.0975863E@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  Q In article <3B30F8D0.CA3907B6@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:= >"Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:e >>   >> Dean Woodward wrote:E >> I >> > Jerry Leslie wrote: >> > >J >> > > Microsoft prefers FreeBSD. They use it for DNS servers for Hotmail,- >> > > and have used it in Windows 2000, per:t >> > >. >> > >    http://www.msnbc.com/news/588803.asp >> > >> > Now *that's* funny! >> lJ >> Yeap, but remember that MS didn't create HOTMAIL, they bought it and noK >> doubt the folks that originally created HOTMAIL (I heard it was a couple_I >> college students as a summer project) probably did it on the cheap andtI >> maybe MS hasn't had the time or motivation to alter what works, unliket# >> their software upgrade policy...t >cI >Ah, but they did have motivation- ever since they bought HOTMAIL, MS has I >been taking flak for it not being run on MS software, and they announcediA >that it *was* all MS not too long ago.  It was reportedly in the&H >aftermath of the great DNS snafu there (where MS & hotmail sites aroundH >the world were unavailable) that they decided FreeBSD wasn't such a bad >thing after all...t  J I have heard that MS has twice tried to convert Hotmail service to NT, andI each time the service more or less melted under the load, so they had to   revert to Unix.n   -- Alanm    O ===============================================================================t0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056"M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210eO ===============================================================================0   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:03:08 GMT"( From: Jay Olson <jjo@triton.com.no.spam># Subject: Re: modern day x-terminals%1 Message-ID: <3B30F3DA.1020908@triton.com.no.spam>,   Wayne Sewell wrote:   M > Does anybody know of a currently supported x-terminal?  Basically something P > like the vxt 2000+, but with current hardware and software.  I have a xvt, butM > I don't really use it.  It's slow and doesn't have that much memory.  Also,rN > most of my network is 100 megabit, but of course the ancient vxt is only 10. >   F Compaq has a line of "thin clients" , which are X terminals and a bit F more. They use flash rather than a hard disk. There is a T1000 series C (currently a T1010) which is WinCE based and a T20 series which is  D "coming soon" and either WinCE or embedded NT based. Interestingly, B there used to be a T1500 series which was Linux based. Maybe some G resellers still have these around. I looked at these, but decided that  1 that I would miss my VMS-style keyboard too much.   8 The URL is (http://www.compaq.com/products/thinlcients).  ,      - Jay Olson (jjo "at" triton "dot" com)      Triton Software Group LLC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:30:02 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch># Subject: Re: modern day x-terminalsg+ Message-ID: <VA.000003d8.002a1788@sture.ch>	  B In article <aobnrxElRidx@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, Wayne Sewell wrote: >s [snip] > Q > Using a linux box as a display server doesn't gain me anything over using a vms/Q > box, which is what I am doing now.  I currently use an alphastation in the roledO > of the vtx, and all windows from all vms systems are routed to it.  It is the $ > only system I have with a monitor. > O > What I want is a *dedicated* system, with no disks, small size, good video onmO > vrc21, etc.  I just want to turn it on and then begin displaying windows from]O > other systems, the way I can with the vxt and with the alphastation.  I don'ttP > care what it runs (as long as it is non-billy, for reasons of reliability).  IO > don't care whether it loads the software via flash or net, as long as it willt6 > do it automatically with no intervention on my part. >GH Also see http://ebusiness.gbdirect.co.uk/case_studies/xterminal.html forI a description of building a diskless, not to mention noiseless, X system.r   ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlandl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:30:41 -0700u" From: "Howard" <hharte2@yahoo.com>- Subject: NEW TZ86 6GB DLT Subsystem for tradet- Message-ID: <993062042.200097@sj-nntpcache-3>l   Hi,e  L     I have a brand new DEC TZ86-TA 6GB DLT Tape drive subsystem that I wouldI like to trade for some PDP gear.  I'm looking for an older UNIBUS machineuJ that can run 2.11 BSD.  (or parts of a machine...)  I will entertain other offers.$  J     This drive is an external SCSI tabletop model, and has never been used; or out of the plastic.  It is an entire kit, that includes:t  )     Tx86 Series Cartridge Tape Subsystem:   * DEC TZ86-TA - Tabletop 6GB SCSI Tape Drive( Owner's Manual - DEC P/N EK-OTX86-OM.001) Installation Manual - P/N EK-TZ86T-IG.001_/ Operator's Reference Card - P/N EK-OTK86-RC-001t0 DEC CompacTape III - P/N TK85K-01 (never opened)1 DEC CleaningTape III - P/N TK85-HC (never opened)s DEC Power Cord (USA - 115V)*6 SCSI Cable - P/N BC19J-IE (sealed in original package)> SCSI Terminator - P/N 12-30552-01 (sealed in original package)- Multilingual stickers for the tape drive faces4 Multilingual stickers for the rear of the tape drive  J      I can email pictures if there is any interest...  The entire thing isI still in the original DEC box with the original packing material.  I havem, not tested it as I didn't want to unwrap it.       Thanks,f
     Howard   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:18:25 +0010s% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auE! Subject: Re: OpenVMS Applicationsa5 Message-ID: <01K50Z2L84GY001RWP@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>t   David Webb wrote  E >In article <soMX6.1593$fi2.49660@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sue Skonetski" A% ><susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes:  >>Here are some more for you.E >> >> >> >>Mathworks - MATLAB >>8 >>http://www.mathworks.com/products/matrix/openvms.shtml >> >d >sK >Can't say how accurate your other entries are but MATLAB is what they call2L >a stabilized release ie It's an old release that they don't really support  anys) >longer with no plans for newer versions.a' >(Its in the same position as SUNOS 4).l >m@ >see http://www.mathworks.com/products/matlab/requirements.shtml  J And because it has been stabilised, we have been told that we cannot even M increase the number of licences for it or any of the subcomponents.  Strange  ? philosophy, turning down what is effectively money for nothing.w  L Hence it is doubly crippled for us: last version was 5.2 and we have a real M need to have more licences for Simulink than we originally envisaged, but we 4 cannot.l   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia    Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,n; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:43:04 -04006D From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Boucher <fboucher@collegeem.qc.ca> Subject: openvms on DEC XL300x/ Message-ID: <3B3118E8.F9BE6105@collegeem.qc.ca>E  B Hi! I have a XL300 DEC station, which does not have an SRM console> to permit installation of a version of OpenVMS on the machine.@ The CPU is an Alpha 5/300MHz in this machine, and was originallyB intended to run NT 4.0Alpha.  It runs Linux redhat 6.2 (Zoot) now.  F I would like to know if somebody tried to change the firmware with one@ that contains the SRM?  like taking the PC164/164LX firmware and< to download it into the firmware, to permit an OpenVMS boot?  9 Anybody that have some clues on this, please let me know.l   TIA, Francois   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:32:59 +0100s0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>; Subject: Re: Oracle hypes new clustering on Intel and LinuxL* Message-ID: <3B3132AB.7BFE1EF5@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Andrew,  > G > >>> The thread you were participating in earlier which was discussing A > BEA products ended up concluding that BEA's support for OpenVMSr > was very mixed. <<<g > M > The BEA Product Management folks got involved and reiterated strong support*L > for the OpenVMS platform. Bottom line is that a few BEA Field Sales peopleK > were not in touch with their Corporate folks agreements and their own web	M > site statements. Not much new here - Compaq has the same issue occasionally ) > - as does Sun, as does IBM, as does ...  > L > >>> The clustering SW is Veritas Cluster Server, though it could have been > Sun Cluster. <<i > I > I'm sorry, but based on this statement, I did not know that the new SunlN > Cluster software supported multi-site cluster solutions without Veritas. Can > you confirm this?  > G > Also, that all of the applications you mentioned are supported by thef1 > vendors in the latest Sun cluster environments?  > J > >>> None of the software needs to be VCS aware because none of it exceptK > Oracle needs to know about the cluster. The apps servers replicates statef) > and the settlement system also does the  > same thing.<<< > K > So, I guess there are redundant, and idle servers at the remote site just 7 > waiting for something to happen at the original site?n >   F What makes you think that. All the apps servers are active, but there G is one more than they need to cope with their maximum transaction load.n  ? Its called a N+1 configuration if you don't recognise the idea.     N > >>> Quite, thats what I do, you however cannot for the simple reason that ifL > you are only using OpenVMS as a platform it is highly unlikely that all ofI > the components that make up the solution will be running on OpenVMS.<<<o > M > Hey, in my tool bag, I have UNIX, NT, OpenVMS or NSK solution alternatives.m< > From what I can see, your toolbag has UNIX solutions only. >   = Really and which one would you use to engineer an end to end   eCommerce solution.   < Well you have to rule out NSK and OpenVMS because except in : exceptional circumstances you havn't got a hope of having : all the software available on either platform, so you end < up with NT end to end which is lets face it Compaqs prefered; option or a combination of NT and one of the other 3 server  OS's that Compaq provide.o  9 So how do you engineer a fault tolerant NT layer ????????l: Isn't this the problem, all the OpenVMS is ultra reliable : is total BS since by your own tacit admission you have to 8 use it in combination with Tru64 or NT to get a working 	 solution.l  9 Or do you engineer a solution and then when it falls overd2 in a heap because NT bombs turn around and say its6 OK because the RDB DBMS kept running ???? I hope this  isn't the answer !   Regards) Andrew Harrisona Enterprise IT Architect]   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:58:42 GMTi( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>3 Subject: Re: Oxygen VX1 now supported and orderable ' Message-ID: <GF911v.Eop@spcuna.spc.edu>s  5 Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: K > It is a unmodified, off the shelf card from 3DLabs.  But do take care, PCfG > card makers feel free to keep the box the same, and change everythingxN > inside.  The 3DLabs Marketing Name is the Oxygen VX1 (32mb), the actual chipN > inside is the Permedia-3.  And just to confuse people, 3DLabs has a tendency9 > to interchange it in literature with their Glint stuff.C > N > But the cost differential between the street price and Compaq price probablyM > isn't worth going out and getting it off the street, and then being worried0 > about getting support.  F   Since this card still isn't in the Compaq price file (and thus isn'tG orderable as an option, though maybe it would come with a complete sys-0* tem) I decided to buy the cards elsewhere.  K   I ordered 'em from buy.com, their part number 10243432. They were $174.95oH when I bought them, but they're up to $189.95 now. Perhaps due to demand+ from dissatisfied Elsa GLoria owners... 8-)   H   I plopped them into my DS10's running VMS V7.2-1 (which are current onH patches, including the VX1) and they were recognized right away and DEC-G windows came up fine. Performance at 1280 x 1024, 8BPP, 70Hz was great,_I with blistering scrolling. Going to 24BPP and 75Hz slowed it down quite a 7 bit, but it is still incredibly better than the GLoria.   G   Fred, can you post any tuning tips? For example, at 75Hz am I causing;G memory contention between screen updates and host access to the memory?lE Would selecting 32BPP enable optimizations in the driver (eliminatingcH packing/unpacking of 3-byte data)? Is there enough of a gain in 16BPP to use that instead of 24 or 32?   H   For folks who are contemplating this card, it's definitely worth it. IF can finally put all my GLoria cards (and those of my customers) in the% trash compactor and watch them die...e  G   As Fred says, if you want support it's best to wait for Compaq to put H it in the price file. If you're a hobbyist, need it *now*, or are price-C conscious, you can get these cards now on the 'net (and perhaps in iF stores). The part number on my boxes say 01-000023-002 and the barcode UPC is 6 14375 99370 8."  C   3Dlabs says they have refurbished ones in stock for $130.00. See:;B http://shop.3dlabs.com/, then click on "Refurbished Oxygen Cards".  /   In any case, make sure you get the PCI one...u  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAe   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:33:10 GMTe/ From: "Christopher M Ramos" <cramos@mdshvl.com>o Subject: Printing NT to VMS_7 Message-ID: <qE8Y6.1244$Tt6.498717@monger.newsread.com>(  F Being primarily based in the Windows world, I have found myself in theJ situation where I need to setup an NT Print Queue to a VMS LAT serial LineL Printer.  I have already established that it would have to be through an LPRK port to the LPD for the VMS queue, now my NT box is looking for an SFCC hex J code.  My VMS support people have been able to help as far as creating theI queue for the printer, but have no clue about a SFCC hex number or NT for J that matter.  Now, knowing Windows, this could be some Microsoft inventionH for something every VMS admin knows, but is trying to redefine.  There'sG plenty of information on printing from VMS to an NT queue, but not viceg versa.  J If any there are any VMS gurus out there with NT under their belt that canL help, I would greatly appreciate it.  This is a simple resolution, I'm sure,2 but not for someone that has little VMS knowledge.  " Humbly bowing to your expertise...   Christopher M Ramos. cramos@mdshvl.com4   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:42:24 GMT,L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: Printing NT to VMS 8 Message-ID: <009FDD1F.AEC51836@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  i In article <qE8Y6.1244$Tt6.498717@monger.newsread.com>, "Christopher M Ramos" <cramos@mdshvl.com> writes:e  G >Being primarily based in the Windows world, I have found myself in theiK >situation where I need to setup an NT Print Queue to a VMS LAT serial LinetM >Printer.  I have already established that it would have to be through an LPRAL >port to the LPD for the VMS queue, now my NT box is looking for an SFCC hexK >code.  My VMS support people have been able to help as far as creating thedJ >queue for the printer, but have no clue about a SFCC hex number or NT forK >that matter.  Now, knowing Windows, this could be some Microsoft inventionvI >for something every VMS admin knows, but is trying to redefine.  There'siH >plenty of information on printing from VMS to an NT queue, but not vice >versa.n >gK >If any there are any VMS gurus out there with NT under their belt that canSM >help, I would greatly appreciate it.  This is a simple resolution, I'm sure, 3 >but not for someone that has little VMS knowledge.- >-  I I'm not at all sure you need an SFCC (San Francisco Chamber of Commerce?)AI hex number.  At least, I got NT merrily printing to VMS-based queues over ' LPD without ever having to specify one.1  I Your NT box doesn't care that it's a LAT serial Line Printer - just give oI NT the queue name on VMS (node.domain:queuename) and you should be fine,  > if the VMS guys have set up LPD to allow general access to it.  1 My experience is with Multinet as the LPD server.    -- Alanv    O ===============================================================================t0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056eM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:33:14 GMTo= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)t Subject: Re: Printing NT to VMSi0 Message-ID: <009FDD3F.EE13A335@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <009FDD1F.AEC51836@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:oj >In article <qE8Y6.1244$Tt6.498717@monger.newsread.com>, "Christopher M Ramos" <cramos@mdshvl.com> writes: >eH >>Being primarily based in the Windows world, I have found myself in theL >>situation where I need to setup an NT Print Queue to a VMS LAT serial LineN >>Printer.  I have already established that it would have to be through an LPRM >>port to the LPD for the VMS queue, now my NT box is looking for an SFCC hex=L >>code.  My VMS support people have been able to help as far as creating theK >>queue for the printer, but have no clue about a SFCC hex number or NT forRL >>that matter.  Now, knowing Windows, this could be some Microsoft inventionJ >>for something every VMS admin knows, but is trying to redefine.  There'sI >>plenty of information on printing from VMS to an NT queue, but not vice  >>versa. >>L >>If any there are any VMS gurus out there with NT under their belt that canN >>help, I would greatly appreciate it.  This is a simple resolution, I'm sure,4 >>but not for someone that has little VMS knowledge. >> >vJ >I'm not at all sure you need an SFCC (San Francisco Chamber of Commerce?)J >hex number.  At least, I got NT merrily printing to VMS-based queues over( >LPD without ever having to specify one.  H What the hell does the San Francisco Chamber of Commerce have to do withH printing?  Another brain-fart Bill had to complicate something as simpleB as moving data from one device to another -- eg. printer drivers.   G I setup printing on NT to a color laser (LNC02) hanging off of my AlphaeG on a DCPS queue.  The Alpha has an LPD queue that the NT toybox was set F up to use.  The brain-damaged PeeCee still needed the "driver" howeverF in order to talk to this "autonomous" device.  What it is driving is aG true mystery.  I do recall many too many clicketty click pull down menu G gyrations to convince the NT box to use the LPD queue on the Alpha.  It 4 was not intuitive by any stretch of the imagination.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn            -O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.u   ------------------------------  , Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:21:53 +0200 (CEST)- From: Freddy Meerwaldt <frederik@freddym.org>o5 Subject: Re: Problem with NFS from VMS to Win 2000/NTpJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106202020060.9367-100000@firewall.freddym.org>   Hi!e  P > I was wondering if someone could help me with an NFS problem that I am having.Q > I have a VAX running VMS 7.1 and UCX 4.1 and I am trying to access a disk on it P > from my Windows 2000(with Reflections) box. I can see the mappings that I have< > set up, but when I try to access them from explorer I get:C > "\\nodename\sysdisk\piyush    -   The network path was not found"l  ? I don't really have a clue about Windows 2000 (don't run such ae bullshit...), but:  9 Are you sure your Win-box doesn't try to connect via SMB?G; You have NFS exported dirs, but are they SMB exported, too?i  C I remember that you had to _buy_ an addition to W2k to support NFS.e Do you have installed that?lI If no, try to run Advanced Server on your VMS Box to communicate via SMB.   
 Best Regards,0 	Freddy    -- "N Geek Code 3.1: GCS s+: a--- C+++ UBOU+++ P-- E--- W++ N w--- V++ PGP- t? 5? tv  J ==========================================================================D  Frederik Meerwaldt  ICQ: 83045387  Homepage: http://www.freddym.orgC  Bavaria/Germany              OpenVMS and Unix Howtos and much more1I  Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, NetBSD, OpenBSD, IRIX, Tru64, OpenVMS, Ultrix, BeOS    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:01:25 -0400o- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>nG Subject: Re: Problem with Oracle 8i Advanced Replication Manager on VMSa- Message-ID: <3B314764.7F206596@bellsouth.net>C   I know how to fix this...a   Michael Austin DBA Consultant.    Don Waybright wrote:  D > The following is a problem reported by our DBA regarding Oracle 8iD > Advanced Replication Manager on VMS.  We are using Alpha VMS 7.2-1 > with the Compaq IP stack.P >B* > Has anyone experienced similar problems? >iB > The database connection hangs when we try to connect to the Rate? > database on VMS using the failover and load balancing networkeD > configurations. Oracle support was able to recreate the problem inG > their lab and will open a bug after they've completed testing on UnixiF > and NT. We've already verified that this bug does not exist on Unix.C > Oracle support stated that the failover works if MTS is disabled. A > However, MTS is used for load balancing. On VMS we can use loadn% > balancing or failover but not both.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:57:17 -0400b( From: "Jim Koehler" <Jim-at-Koehler.net>% Subject: RAID on the AXP 150 (Jensen) ' Message-ID: <3b315866@news.planetc.com>>  J I've just installed the DEC RAID controller KZESC-XA (Mylex) in an AXP 150L (aka Jensen). The card configured via ECU just fine, the card configured viaK SWXCRMGR just fine (two spindle RAID 0). I can even boot OpenVMS from CD oreH from a disk on a different controller and the disk (DRA0:) shows up just9 fine and can be INIT, MOUNT, BACKUP/IMAGE to, everything.i  L The one thing that doesn't work is booting. At the SRM ">>>" prompt, a "SHOW? DEV" doesn't show it. The command "B DRA0:" does work ("FAIL").h  K I'm running the latest SRM firmware V2.2 and have even reloaded it (meaningp7 FLASH) and have reset all the ECU data and still no go.c  ! Any ideas on what else I can try?t   Thanks!c   Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:41:54 +1000s/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>eB Subject: Re: Remote connection error on OVMS 7.2 and Oracle 7.3...2 Message-ID: <P9dY6.8689$qJ4.352298@ozemail.com.au>  : "Edward Heller" <ejheller@aol.com.nojunk> wrote in message4 news:20010620074513.11563.00000345@ng-fc1.aol.com... > >"Phil Howell" wote:J > >Something similar happened to us when we went from 7.1 to 7.2-1 and ucx 4.2a > >to tcpip 5.1eH > >This is not the answer you want but we had to upgrade to oracle 7.3.4 > >You may want to > >$tcpip show dev /full bg6656o< > >and check that the port is the same as in your .ora files > >Philg= > >"Edward Heller" <ejheller@aol.com.nojunk> wrote in message07 > >news:20010619102106.10170.00000082@ng-md1.aol.com...iI > >> First, please note that I realize this may seem like a question from  1999,zH > >> however we weren't broke so we were reluctant to "fix". We recently > >upgradedtL > >> our OpenVMS Alpha from 7.1 to 7.2-1. This also included the change from	 > >UCX toeL > >> TCPIP. When we did that, our Java applications that used to communicate > >just E > >> fine with the Oracle database (v 7.3.2.3.2) stopped working. Thes listener > >traceF > >> file indicates that the connection from the remote application is > >connecting.G > >> When the shadow program is created, the IPC message returns what Ic thinkO > >is aeE > >> reference to Port 0. Following is that section of the trace file. > >(apololgies inK6 > >> advance for wrap confusion - the lines are long): > >> > >> command = establish# > >> (ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=beq)(ENVS=)dD > >> (ARGV0=DKA200:[ORACLE7.NETWORK.ADMIN]ORASRV_NETV2_myDB.COMmyDB)A > >> (ARGS='(LOCAL=NO)')(GLOBAL_DBNAME=myDB.world)(SID_NAME=myDB)t > >>H (PROGRAM=DKA200:[ORACLE7.NETWORK.ADMIN]ORASRV_NETV2_myDB.COM)(TIMEOUT=0) > >> (PRESPAWN_MAX=10))n > >> connecting...2 > >> NT layer IPC connection has been established. > >> doing connect handshake...eI > >> REDIR="(ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=tcp)(DEV=_BG6656:)(HOST=x.x.x.x)(PORT=0))"s' > >> handshake is complete; redirectings > >>J > >> I do not think this is correct, however, I am at a loss as to what is the,4 > >> mechanism by which the port number is assigned. > >>@ > >> Any thoughts (other than upgrading Oracle) are appreciated. > >> Edward Heller > >> TransCore ITS9 > >> "All musings contained within are mine, mine alone."s > >t >bK > Is there something special about port 6656? I do have two devices (BG6583  andoC > BG6587) that do correspond to the ports defined in the .ORA fles.s8 The bg6656 was the device from your trace (DEV=_BG6656:) the port number is 1526 or 1527  Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:59:38 -0400 + From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>oS Subject: Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company	shouldbuy VMSe# Message-ID: <sb3100c9.029@aaas.org>   ' Screw VMS - how much for just Hoff? <G>i  H Frankly - I think whoever could make the best, affordable OEM hardware =L solution available as well. It's not just about the operating system (wait =$ - isn't that why we're all here).=20  J And while I don't want to start this whole thing again - a port to Intel =K wouldn't hurt. At this point in the tech revolution, how many people need =iI a million dollar system out of the gate? You need to offer something as =rG stable as NT for a comparable cost as NT. Sun is trying to do it with =dG their welfare Ultras, and they're starting to get it, but when you're = H cheapest new system is $8,000 it's not going to be easy to recruit new =I blood. I can't afford to have a DS10 at home or I would order one right =bI now (and no - the $4000 "Educational Special" doesn't cut it either). I =eI can, on the other hand, afford to own 7 PCs ranging from a PII 266 to a =sH Thunderbird 1ghz, running Win2k, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Win98, etc etc etc. => Bill didn't do it on his own - cheap clone hardware helped.=20  L I know it didn't go well the first time around with clone Alpha kit, and I =I don't expect it to be THAT cheap, but as long as hardware costs what it =dJ does my VMS access ends when I leave the office (and SSH in from home).=20   =BFfoo?   A >>> Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> 06/20/2001 6:48:42 PM >>>t@ I offer a reward of $250.- for the first poster who proposes the: company which makes most sense buying the VMS from Compaq.  / I have a proposal which makes most sense to me.t? If nobody makes this proposal I reveal mine and will reward thee= first of 50 poster who will convince me that there is anothero6 company which makes more sense to buy VMS from Compaq.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:48:42 +0200k) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> P Subject: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company should buy VMS, Message-ID: <3B31284A.DE44A02C@infopuls.com>  @ I offer a reward of $250.- for the first poster who proposes the: company which makes most sense buying the VMS from Compaq.  / I have a proposal which makes most sense to me. ? If nobody makes this proposal I reveal mine and will reward ther= first of 50 poster who will convince me that there is anotherc6 company which makes more sense to buy VMS from Compaq.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:04:28 -0400e( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>Y Subject: Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company should buy VMS VMSVh+ Message-ID: <3B313A0C.4AE452C8@bigfoot.com>o  < How about us?  Why don't we band together (I've got an extraF $10,000),form a corporation, interest some venture captalists, and buyD VMS from Compaq.  Our sales pitch to the VC people could be based onD show ing a profit from support revenues alone.  The truth is, a goodD technical sales force and marketing campaign could actually increaseE sales of VMS worldwide.  Compaq, at a present day market value of $27hG billion, a P/E of about 88 and a debt/equity ratio of 1 to 10 could usea the cash.  How about it?   HM       Christof Brass wrote:s > B > I offer a reward of $250.- for the first poster who proposes the< > company which makes most sense buying the VMS from Compaq. > 1 > I have a proposal which makes most sense to me.oA > If nobody makes this proposal I reveal mine and will reward thee? > first of 50 poster who will convince me that there is anothero8 > company which makes more sense to buy VMS from Compaq.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 03:08:47 +0200q) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> Y Subject: Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company should buy VMS VMSV(, Message-ID: <3B31491F.F1E385BD@infopuls.com>   Hamlyn Mootoo wrote: > > > How about us?  Why don't we band together (I've got an extraH > $10,000),form a corporation, interest some venture captalists, and buyF > VMS from Compaq.  Our sales pitch to the VC people could be based onF > show ing a profit from support revenues alone.  The truth is, a goodF > technical sales force and marketing campaign could actually increaseG > sales of VMS worldwide.  Compaq, at a present day market value of $27CI > billion, a P/E of about 88 and a debt/equity ratio of 1 to 10 could uses > the cash.  How about it? >  > HM  @ I like this idea very much, and, yes, I'm in. But alas according@ to my and others experiences with the people in this NG there is< little hope that we could do anything like that because most; people here like to exchange their ideas instead of riskingP@ money, they like to talk about technical things instead of doing8 the dull business of economically constrained leading an enterprise.e  ? Almost nobody wanted to pay for an Opera port although the lackr8 of a decent browser was numerous times stated as a major% obstacle for VMS beeing a desktop OS.n  ; Almost nobody participated in setting up a list of the mostl needed apps on VMS.n  9 Besides that what would be the procedure? Who would be inf! charge, who would hire the staff?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 03:15:47 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> Y Subject: Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company should buy VMS VMSVi, Message-ID: <3B314AC3.7869B60E@infopuls.com>   Christof Brass wrote:  > B > I offer a reward of $250.- for the first poster who proposes the< > company which makes most sense buying the VMS from Compaq. > 1 > I have a proposal which makes most sense to me..A > If nobody makes this proposal I reveal mine and will reward ther? > first of 50 poster who will convince me that there is anotherB8 > company which makes more sense to buy VMS from Compaq.  9 Additional constraint: every poster has only one attempt.e= Otherwise a person could post a list of all companies earnings enough to be able to do that.r  > Question: should this game have a time deadline which could be met earlier than the 50th post?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:50:57 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> Y Subject: Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company should buy VMS VMSVe, Message-ID: <3B3152FF.B7489290@videotron.ca>   Christof Brass wrote:. > B > I offer a reward of $250.- for the first poster who proposes the< > company which makes most sense buying the VMS from Compaq.   Ideally:  K 1- the remaining VMS customers will want to see a serious company with longaF term survival and a good track record of keeping to their comittments.  L 2-you want a company that does not have serious ties/dependancies with Intel
 or Microsoft.   B 3-you want a company that has fairly deep pockets to invest in the; revival/marketing of VMS and "import" missing applications.   F 4-you want a company who is not affraid to be agressive on the market.    J The selection of the company also depends on whether you expect support toP remain with Compaq or if you expectr the new buyer to provide worldwide support.  P It also depends on whether you expect the buyer to be in the IT industry or not.  K It also depends on whether you expect NSK, Tru64 and Alpha to move with theD new company.  N IBM would be great, however, I think that it may cause IBM antitrust issues if3 it has so much of the enterprise operating systems.C  K HP might be quite interesting. They seemed to have gone twoards being a box=E maker in recent times, so getting Alpha and VMS would give HP lots of M intellectual property to develop/work with thus giving HP a significant edge.-  N Companies without intellectual property (such as Compaq-classic, Dell and to aN certain extent Sun are slaved to others.  For Sun, look at the muscle they are> able to weild with their clame to intellectual property: java.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:57:33 -0400a( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>Y Subject: Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company should buy VMS VMSVe+ Message-ID: <3B31548D.121E3D05@bigfoot.com>r  F Usually, VC people, as a condition of lending your their "hard earned"F money, dictate who the management team will be, usually some outsidersE with a proven track record.  This is not so bad when starting up - asoD long as you maintain controlling interest in the venture (that's theH trick when negotiating, because the VC's will try to secure these rightsD in the fine print).  I think that showing profitability from supportG revenues depends on restructuring the typical call center/support modelnG that everyone seems to use - I've long argued that this is inefficient.tB Secondly, identify and retain key support personnel already in theF organization, while weeding out the deadwood. My idea of support is to@ slightly overstaff, which gives you both headroom in the supportE organization, as well as excellent response times to customers.  AlsomF constant training of support personnel is paramount.  We all know thatH one experienced Sys Admin can do the work of at least 5 very junior onesH in a support role by identifying and solving problems much faster.  This. newsgroup itself is a salient example of that.  F As far as new business is concerned, remember the Pet Rock? One of theE most brilliant marketing campaigns in history.  Short-lived, but verylC profitable (Did you really think anyone could sell rocks forever?)  H Is there anyone reading this who doesn't remember the oscar meyer weinerE song?  This teaches us the lesson of branding as it relates to marketnF share.  Even when DEC was in its heyday, you could go up to an averageD man (person) on the street and ask who IBM was and he could probablyG tell you, but if you mentioned DEC, most likely he would have no clue.  A Look at INTEL - brilliant marketing again.  Most people could notEE identify the microprocessors in their PC's, but they knew they wantedwG "Intel inside".  I was in a Radio Shack a few years back and a complete G novice was asking the RS salesman (who knew less than this customer) ifdF this computer had Intel inside - the salesman sadly didn't know.  This@ illustrates the power of marketing and advertising.  DEC used toC advertise on golf shows hoping to catch the CFO's attention.  Intelt? correctly used MASS MARKETING, not targeted marketing.  Tageted1F marketing only works if you can hit your market correctly.  The publicG these days is as aware of what computer to use (they may not understand C all of the buzzwords, but they know they need to have them) as whatdF softdrink to buy.  Intel used several methods of effective advertising; in their approach, including the "bandwagon method" and the B "technological confusion" method.  The first creates the fear thatH somehow the consumer is not in the "in crowd" because he's not using theF latest and greatest - he's not "with it", and the second spouts enoughE technical jargon that the consumer believes that it MUST be somethingcA really good because it's a NEW technology.  Branding through mass H advertising leads to market penetration - always has, always will. IntelF had an ad once that touted the CDROM as "internet connected"- what theF hell does that mean? People bought it though.  And you've got to admitC that their commercials were visually sexy.  Why do you think the US F Marines used Medieval Battle scenes to sell the idea to sign your lifeH away to them for a few years? Because kids eat it up.  I remember in theF lobbies of movie theatres when the "Hunt for Red October" was playing,F the Navy got permission to do recruiting drives on the spot.  A lot ofE people joined right there beliving they would be serving on a nuclear  sub.  D Anyway, my point is, if you put enough marketing behind anything, itB will sell (how the hell did rap become so pervasive in U.S cultureB anyway? - there's your answer).  Humans, especially the young, areH highly influenced by visual media.  This is where they are taught how toF dress and by and large how to act.  Adults are not immune either.  TheE television industry would have you believe that the shows they put oneA don't affect attitudes of the viewer.  Why then, does Kotex spendoG millions of dollars on TV advertising to influence the public's opiniondF to buy its products knowing that fully half of the viewing audience isC not paying attention to their feminine napkin ad? And they only getdF about 30-60 seconds to convince you. Branding through mass advertisingG WORKS.  If you want VMS to sell, make it a household name - make it the2A NEW thing.  For crying out loud, BELLBOTTOMS came back - and theyR pre-date VMS!!!   HM     Christof Brass wrote:@ >  > Hamlyn Mootoo wrote: > >n@ > > How about us?  Why don't we band together (I've got an extraJ > > $10,000),form a corporation, interest some venture captalists, and buyH > > VMS from Compaq.  Our sales pitch to the VC people could be based onH > > show ing a profit from support revenues alone.  The truth is, a goodH > > technical sales force and marketing campaign could actually increaseI > > sales of VMS worldwide.  Compaq, at a present day market value of $27dK > > billion, a P/E of about 88 and a debt/equity ratio of 1 to 10 could use  > > the cash.  How about it? > >v > > HM > B > I like this idea very much, and, yes, I'm in. But alas accordingB > to my and others experiences with the people in this NG there is> > little hope that we could do anything like that because most= > people here like to exchange their ideas instead of risking:B > money, they like to talk about technical things instead of doing: > the dull business of economically constrained leading an
 > enterprise.. > A > Almost nobody wanted to pay for an Opera port although the lack.: > of a decent browser was numerous times stated as a major' > obstacle for VMS beeing a desktop OS.1 > = > Almost nobody participated in setting up a list of the mostt > needed apps on VMS.t > ; > Besides that what would be the procedure? Who would be in5# > charge, who would hire the staff?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:50:26 -0500n0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>S Subject: RE: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company shouldbuy VMSmC Message-ID: <MOEAJKGGEIMGCCPEPJBHEELCENAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>e  K you're not pulling the old "the least suspicious person did it" routine and. say Microsoft, are ya :)   -----Original Message-----0 From: Christof Brass [mailto:brass@infopuls.com]& Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 5:49 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com H Subject: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company should buy VMSe    @ I offer a reward of $250.- for the first poster who proposes the: company which makes most sense buying the VMS from Compaq.  / I have a proposal which makes most sense to me.o? If nobody makes this proposal I reveal mine and will reward thes= first of 50 poster who will convince me that there is another 6 company which makes more sense to buy VMS from Compaq.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:49:33 -0600m% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>BS Subject: Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company shouldbuy VMS_B Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010620174828.03bfd818@ntbsod.psccos.com>  7 Speaking ABSOLUTELY, and TOTALLY, *****FOR MYSELF*****,   J I think Process Software would be a great place for it.  Let's face it, weB have a pretty thorough knowledge of VMS just 'cause of what we do.  ( Again, this is *NOT* a company line!!!!!  , At 04:48 PM 6/20/2001, Christof Brass wrote:A >I offer a reward of $250.- for the first poster who proposes they; >company which makes most sense buying the VMS from Compaq.> >w0 >I have a proposal which makes most sense to me.@ >If nobody makes this proposal I reveal mine and will reward the> >first of 50 poster who will convince me that there is another7 >company which makes more sense to buy VMS from Compaq.n   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+nI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |,I | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  | I | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |dI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |jI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:21:56 -0500n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>=Y Subject: Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company shouldbuy VMS VMSVMh' Message-ID: <3B313E24.EEA048E6@fsi.net>,   Dan O'Reilly wrote:i > 9 > Speaking ABSOLUTELY, and TOTALLY, *****FOR MYSELF*****,m > L > I think Process Software would be a great place for it.  Let's face it, weD > have a pretty thorough knowledge of VMS just 'cause of what we do. > * > Again, this is *NOT* a company line!!!!!  B The question is, IMHO, has PSC the financial clout to pull it off?  ! I doubt they'll sell willingly...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:46:54 -0600d% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>>Y Subject: Re: Reward for the first of the next 50 posts: which company shouldbuyVMS VMS VM-B Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010620194617.03c25760@ntbsod.psccos.com>  / At 06:21 PM 6/20/2001, David J. Dachtera wrote:  >Dan O'Reilly wrote: > >e; > > Speaking ABSOLUTELY, and TOTALLY, *****FOR MYSELF*****,r > >eN > > I think Process Software would be a great place for it.  Let's face it, weF > > have a pretty thorough knowledge of VMS just 'cause of what we do. > > , > > Again, this is *NOT* a company line!!!!! >iC >The question is, IMHO, has PSC the financial clout to pull it off?e  ( I'll bet the company who owns us does...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:05:03 GMT07 From: "Henry W. Miller" <henry.miller@worldnet.att.net>aB Subject: Re: SMTP notification messages - how do I turn them off ?F Message-ID: <j69Y6.2204$3d3.167564@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  , "rob murphy" <rob@mkgm.com> wrote in message7 news:9e72a7b2.0106200310.3f17d9ed@posting.google.com...  > Afternoon, > C > Does anyone know how to turn OFF the SMTP notification messages ?u >0D > What I want to do is stop SMTP sending out "unknown user" messagesH > when the addressee is not found on the system. I had assumed there wasE > some sort of parameter I could set, but having been through all the F > manuals and DSN I cannot find what I am looking for. I just want the? > incoming emails to disappear into a black hole, with no error * > notification returned to the originator. > G > By the way this is TCPIP V5.0A on a VAX running V7.1 - any thoughts ?  >h	 > Cheers,  > Rob Murphy > Systems Managerd > Cable & Wireless   Rob,  I     Are you running the "standard" SMTP server, or one of the third partyE$ packages?  Just to clarify...  Best,   -HWM   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:45:42 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>p9 Subject: Re: Sun is the leader of the UNIX server market.y, Message-ID: <3B30FD64.2417CDA4@videotron.ca>  & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote:N > If VMS has a future it is not in the hands of a small PC company.  They needO > to sell it to some serious contender -- are there any surviving without theirt > own interests?  I Yes, selling off the Alpha line today would be a great help to Compaq. It0M would bring an instant amount of cash that would help Compaq transform itselfsE into a lean and mean PC manufacturer that could compete against Dell.   J Remember that Compaq is seen by the Wall Street Casino Analysts as a heavyN inefficient PC maker. Either Compaq clearly minimises its PC side and portraysK itself as yet another IBM, or Compaq drops the non PC side and fixes its PC   side to become the leader again.  L Frankly, it would be easy for Compaq to transfer all the Alpha stuff to CMGIK or some other holding without Wall Street taking much notice because CompaqVK has never flaunted that portion of itself so Wall Street doesn't understandE# what the Alpha line does to Compaq.o  L Pfeiffer wanted to be another IBM. But Capellas doesn't seem to have much inN terms of vision and is probably just struggling to manage the corporation weekM by week and settle internal feuds between the PC people and the Alpha people.a  N What is clear is that Compaq has been unable/unwilling to leverage the DigitalI assets which needed just a bit of fixing. Just look at the results of thenK token VMS push that was made. It was able to turn VMS around from continuedtJ shrinking to growing again.  Imagine what Compaq could have done if it had) really pushed Alpha , VMS and even Tru64.V  J Itis clear from Compaq's stagnating stock price that Compaq is seen by theK street as going nowhere. Time is probably running out for the administrator L Capellas to do something to relaunch Compaq as a leader and give it a vision that is known to the world.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:48:47 +0200R) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>s9 Subject: Re: Sun is the leader of the UNIX server market.., Message-ID: <3B31284F.AABD8AC8@infopuls.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > ( > paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote:P > > If VMS has a future it is not in the hands of a small PC company.  They needQ > > to sell it to some serious contender -- are there any surviving without theire > > own interests? > K > Yes, selling off the Alpha line today would be a great help to Compaq. ItpO > would bring an instant amount of cash that would help Compaq transform itselfyG > into a lean and mean PC manufacturer that could compete against Dell.l > L > Remember that Compaq is seen by the Wall Street Casino Analysts as a heavyP > inefficient PC maker. Either Compaq clearly minimises its PC side and portraysM > itself as yet another IBM, or Compaq drops the non PC side and fixes its PCi" > side to become the leader again. > N > Frankly, it would be easy for Compaq to transfer all the Alpha stuff to CMGIM > or some other holding without Wall Street taking much notice because Compaq M > has never flaunted that portion of itself so Wall Street doesn't understand % > what the Alpha line does to Compaq.r  
 What is CMGI?a  N > Pfeiffer wanted to be another IBM. But Capellas doesn't seem to have much inP > terms of vision and is probably just struggling to manage the corporation weekO > by week and settle internal feuds between the PC people and the Alpha people.o  > Yes, Pfeiffer had a vision and he built Compaq. When he got in? charge Compaq was about 700 times smaller than when he was madet< leaving after a few months of bad luck. Each company get the boss it deserves.   P > What is clear is that Compaq has been unable/unwilling to leverage the DigitalK > assets which needed just a bit of fixing. Just look at the results of the M > token VMS push that was made. It was able to turn VMS around from continuedoL > shrinking to growing again.  Imagine what Compaq could have done if it had+ > really pushed Alpha , VMS and even Tru64.e  = There should finally be said something clear in this NG about : the "minor problems" Digital had back before Ken Olson was= forced to leave and the brain amputated Palmer got in charge.   > The problems weren't *minor* and Digital was close to be going@ chapter 11 (is it the correct number). Digital had a long series? of wrong decisions and to keep the classical Digital as a majorc= player in the field with a complete range from HW over OSs toe@ apps would have needed not only a tremendous amount of money but? also a person like Steve Jobs with knowledge and vision. Palmer-> was definitely the coffin nail, but people like Steve Jobs are rare.n  M > It is clear from Compaq's stagnating stock price that Compaq is seen by thesM > street as going nowhere. Time is probably running out for the administratorcN > Capellas to do something to relaunch Compaq as a leader and give it a vision > that is known to the world.n  ? Unfortunately more than true. The people who read the interview < with the German magazin "Spiegel" which I tried to translate9 whould probably concluded from the lack of brilliance andh) content that Capellas is Compaq's Palmer.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:16:28 +0100t0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>9 Subject: Re: Sun is the leader of the UNIX server market. * Message-ID: <3B312ECC.C2C703D4@uk.sun.com>   Christof Brass wrote:i >  > JF Mezei wrote:rP > > Pfeiffer wanted to be another IBM. But Capellas doesn't seem to have much inR > > terms of vision and is probably just struggling to manage the corporation weekQ > > by week and settle internal feuds between the PC people and the Alpha people.a > @ > Yes, Pfeiffer had a vision and he built Compaq. When he got inA > charge Compaq was about 700 times smaller than when he was madea> > leaving after a few months of bad luck. Each company get the > boss it deserves.f >   A Really, and what vision was it that Pfeiffer executed against ???m  @ Could it have been a second hand vision inherited from MS/Intel  and IBM ????  > Really, get with the program, Compaq never had a vision, they < were a great implimentor of other peoples visions but don't 9 attribute them with origional thought it doesn't hold up.s  > It also makes their current problems much more understandable.   Regardsn Andrew Harrisonc Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:56:42 -0400y5 From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> 4 Subject: Re: SYS$PIPEDRIVER, MPA0:, I/O Users Manual/ Message-ID: <3B30F1EA.17FB4BAE@compaq.com.doom>s  I     The OpenVMS mailbox driver has some code that give the POSIX code thea ability to adequatelyaJ mimic PIPES in Unix.  The support that is there is not sufficient from the CRTL to correctly modelmI PIPES.  There is no capability for SELECT, or to segment large I/O to fit  the pipe size and bufferJ the rest until space is available.  The POSIX kernel code does all this to make pipes work.  H     The SYS$PIPEDRIVER "MPA0" was a clean sheet of paper hunk of code to solve a problem J the person adding PIPING support to DCL ran into.  Initially, the code was built on top of mailboxesyH but there were things RMS did when using mailboxes that caused problems. I cobbled up whatrE became SYS$PIPEDRIVER over a thanksgiving weekend in 1995.  I bet thee
 person whoI needed the driver I could come up with a working driver in under 20 hoursd I made it withJ time to spare.  By building a driver that did just what was needed with no attempt to mimic UNIXt pipes.  G     There are no plans to document or support SYS$PIPEDRIVER outside oft the limited use it? was built for.  Here a some of the differences that I remember.t  E     1) Pipe driver does almost all of it's work at IPL2.  The mailboxo driver runs partly at 2 and 11.lJ     2) Pipe driver knows when it can avoid allocating and copying a buffer to satisfy an I/O.  Mailboxg5         always allocates and copies multiple buffers.eI     3) RMS does not add carriage control data to the I/O through the pipe  driver.  It will do this ona         mailboxes.C     4) Pipe driver know how to mark an end of a pipe segment with at special message.  Mailboxe"         driver does not have this.   Forrest Kenney OpenVMS Group Compaq.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:42:25 -0500g1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>y  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change' Message-ID: <3B30EE91.52E2795D@fsi.net>h   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > [snip]1 > The distance between where we live and where we B > work is not always as controllable as some would like to think.    *AMEN* to THAT, bro!  E The whole reason the wife and I moved to where we are now was becausenH her company is alleged to be moving out this way (15 miles or so west ofF the current location) sometime in the next 12 to 18 months. My commute1 would have been somewhat longer than it had been.i  D Some of us are unwitting victims to our desire to live and work in aE nice area. Where we were, real estate values had risen sharply in thenC last 30 months - we couldn't have qualified to refinance 80% of ouraE home's new value. The flip side is that we made a tidy profit when wet sold.e  G No, the choice to live where we wish is often a trade-off where commute E time/distance gets compromised. The outlying, "open" or "green space" H areas have lower densities of housing, yes - but also lower densities ofC what passes for industry in our "import everything, shuffle papers"eF economy, and, therefore, lower availability of jobs. So the chances ofH "working where you live" and "living where you work" out here are indeed' much lower than in more urban environs.i   -- e David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:32:30 -0400r- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>t  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change( Message-ID: <3B30EC32.E3E2E9DD@ohio.edu>  X As I understand it, the likely fusion reactions will release a significant part of theirO heat as energetic neutrons.  Some of those will decay into ordinary protons andmS electrons, but many will be captured by nuclei of surrounding apparatus, mostly theeR stainless steel reaction chamber walls.  Several components of stainless steel areU rendered radioactive when they absorb a neutron, at least one with a half-life on the-U order of 10,000 years:  long enough to require careful storage and short enough to betS highly radioactive.  Thus, the decommissioning high-level waste problem of a fusion X reactor is likely to be comparable to that of a conventional fission reactor.  The spentY fuel of a fission reactor is about one cubic meter per year per typical plant, so you canr2 afford to be very elaborate with your protections.  > There is a LOT of uranium at or near the surface of the Earth.  T Every estimate that I have seen for the last forty years has been that "economicallyU feasible" fusion power is "about thirty years" away.  When an engineer tells you thattW something will take thirty years of R & D, it really means no one has any idea if it is R even actually going to be possible at all, and certainly no one has any idea when.  X Therefore, I do not see fusion as being likely to be significantly more attractcive than fission any time soon.  #                                 RDP-     Nigel Arnot wrote:   > >a > [snip]   > E > A sustainable lifestyle is one that relies only on renewable energyRM > sources: solar, wind, wave, hydro*, tidal. I'd also allow nuclear fusion ifsI > we can get it working: the supply of deuterium in the Earth's oceans isAP > inexhaustible for all conceivable human timescales, and the waste radioactivesM > problem for a fusion plant will be far smaller and shorter-lived than for a  > fission one.   > [snip]   >  >         Yours, >                 Nigel Arnot:* >                 NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK >rF > * and yes, I know that big-dam hydro power is often not sustainable.   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:52:37 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>   Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change, Message-ID: <3B30FF03.B7572E75@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:uM > I am told that the older Land Rovers and Nissan Patrols are decent off-roade > vehicles.   M Toyota Land Cruisers, but in ute (utility truck) and off-road vehicle configs-L are very popular in australia. Land Rovers are just way too expensive. I didL see a few "old" Land Rovers are they are very cool vehicles (aluminium skin,M and the air filter isn't a filter, it is an oil tank through which the air istM pumped. (Standard filters wouldn't last in the outback with all the dust, and0  yoiu can easily change the oil).  M The Land Rovers seem to be relegated to urban Yuppy cars now. (Except for then- Aussie army which still has the Land Rovers).t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:24:25 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change6 Message-ID: <1010620160448.26002A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  & On 20 Jun 2001, Bill Gunshannon wrote:  B > In article <DZBX6.101460$%i7.75567406@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>,0 >  "Nikita V. Belenki" <public@kits.net> writes:C > |> "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in messagee+ > |> news:9glaft$2qp6$3@info.cs.uofs.edu...  > |> sL > |> > Is it not also just as likely that if the rainforest in Brazil wasn'tK > |> > being destroyed for no particularly good reason that the earth mightrB > |> > in fact be able to consume all that CO2 int he first place. > |> eL > |> Rainforests don't consume CO2, because they don't produce anything likeN > |> coal, turf or limestone. Their ability to bind carbon is limited to their> > |> biomass, and the density of such biomass is quite stable. > F > So then all those biology classes about chlorophyll and green plantsH > were just plain wrong??  Somebody should tell the Audobon Society.  NoC > reason to plant all those trees if they don't do anything anyway.L >  > bill >   
 No, Bill -  . Living in coal country, you should understand.  F The tropical rain forests (until recently) were static.  Growing treesG took CO2 out of the air at the same rate dead trees lying on the foresttF floor decayed and returned CO2 to the air.  (Massively simplified, but& there was no net gain or loss of CO2.)  G This has changed recently due to huge numbers of trees being clear-cut,iH some for tropical hardwoods (mahogany, etc.) but mostly to make pastures for feeding cattle.s  H The Permian rain forests functioned differently, since many of the treesE got buried and turned into coal, removing carbon permanently from theo> atmosphere (until we came along and started burning the coal.)  I The coal-formation process was very slow and took many millions of years. F (In fact, my statement that the ancient forests functioned differentlyA may be wrong... we just need to wait a few million years, and newhB coal might be produced, removing some of the carbon we have pumped+ into the air over the last century or two.)   E As to planting trees, yes, they do a lot.  They partially replace the E millions of trees that have been cut down, and the millions more that @ died and were buried hundreds of millions of years ago, and were recently dug up and burned.   B It's a matter of rates:  If you release CO2 into the atmosphere at= 10,000 times the rate it is removed, it is going to build up.-  E Imagine a bucket that has a big hole in it, full of water.  The watere@ is going to drain out, even if it is sitting under a faucet withB a slow drip.  Soon the bucket will be empty, just a little damp onA the bottom.  It is no good saying "Water maybe flowing out of the A bucket, but it is also flowing into the bucket, so what's the big @ deal?"  If the rates don't match, pretty soon the bucket will beA empty.  (OR if the bucket has a slow leak and is sitting under ana* open faucet, pretty soon it will be full.)  ? Children under 5 have difficulty understanding this.  They alsoo= think a large glass half full of chocolate milk has less thanlA a tiny glass full to the brim.  Sometimes I think our fundamentalt3 ecological decisions are being made by 5 year olds.a   -- i John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jun 2001 17:52:13 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.563109.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell)l  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change. Message-ID: <wU1ml9seyzVk@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  ` In article <LoMThIGw9g7D@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:? > In article <FZPX6.5057$P46.3174891@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, t; >    "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:v > I >> A 100 percent excise tax on gas-guzzling, ultrapolluting Sport UtilitynG >> Vehicles would be a damn good place to start reducing greenhouse gash
 >> emissions.t >> o >    Doing a little trolling?t > H >    (actually, I like this tax idea - it would make the resale value of" > my used SUV that much greater -   M I don't follow that logic.   If the tax makes all SUVs even more expensive toiK run than they are already, wouldn't people be *less* likely to buy your old ) one?  Would not the resale value go down?o  ' >then I could sell it and buy a MustangsK > with the same motor in it - then I'd be environmentally sensitive becaused > I drive a small car, right? )t >   G Well, even with exactly the same engine, the Mustang would have to be awM *little* more fuel efficient.  It doesn't have to move that huge bulk around,0K thereby requiring far less energy to go from point a to point b at the samer speed. N     --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxe: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)eO ===============================================================================aK Hotel guy (after bed demolition):  That bed goes back to Henry the eighth!!oO    Curly: That's nothin'!  We had a bed go back to Sears and Roebuck the fifth!l   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jun 2001 18:38:27 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)a  Subject: Re: [OT] Climate change, Message-ID: <MsFlHilzMude@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  / In article <wU1ml9seyzVk@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, eC     wayne@tachysoft.xxx.563109.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell) writes:p   >> rI >>    (actually, I like this tax idea - it would make the resale value ofr# >> my used SUV that much greater -   > O > I don't follow that logic.   If the tax makes all SUVs even more expensive tohM > run than they are already, wouldn't people be *less* likely to buy your old + > one?  Would not the resale value go down?e > G     I was assuming the excise tax would only be on new units, not used pI ones ( as that's how such taxes usually work ). In that case the price of K new SUVs would double, which means that anyone who wanted one would be more C likely to buy a used one - thus driving up the price of used units.d  ( >>then I could sell it and buy a MustangL >> with the same motor in it - then I'd be environmentally sensitive because  >> I drive a small car, right? ) >> D > I > Well, even with exactly the same engine, the Mustang would have to be a O > *little* more fuel efficient.  It doesn't have to move that huge bulk around,eM > thereby requiring far less energy to go from point a to point b at the samed	 > speed. p > M     Yeah, but who's going to get a 5 litre Mustang and putt around in it likei one usually does in an SUV? :-)l   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jun 2001 18:41:15 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)e2 Subject: re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?, Message-ID: <9gqqob$2i5b$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  / In article <00256A71.005F26A3.00@quegw01.btyp>,p#  Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com writes:l |>P |> Well, given that the British press don't often talk about American Football I |> think that's unlikely.   C With 115 clubs, 150 teams and 12,000 members in Great Britain aloneP; the British press completely ignores The EFAF??  Amazing!!!    bill   -- nJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   n   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jun 2001 19:00:49 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)a2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?, Message-ID: <9gqrt1$2i5b$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>  8 In article <fbl1jt068a95dt1k3ijlaqg1fk3h5scpk5@4ax.com>,"  LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com writes:? |> On 20 Jun 2001 16:37:27 GMT, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Billm |> Gunshannon) wrote:R |> nQ |> >Still wonder why WalMart is blowing these other businesses out of the water??o |>  8 |> WalMart is *huge*.  so, they can && do squeeze their  |> suppliers for lower prices. |> l4 |> most (all?) of those suppliers cannot say no, or $ |> else risk losing a large account.  C And, no matter how low their prices, if the people around the store @ don't/won't shop there, it will go out of business.  You can notF blame a company for delivering what the consumer wants.  That's called	 business.e   |> wD |> Walmart is also seriously anti-union, and partial to sweat-shops.  C Some people don't think "anti-union" is a four letter word. And thetC term "sweat-shops" has been done to death.  The conditions are mostdA likely the worst in China and yet they have "most favored nation"t; status.  Oh, yeah, I think they are also "anti-union".  :-)p   |> rB |> But money talks.  Sam Walton is one of the world's richest men.  A Actually, no he isn't.  He's dead and has been for about 9 years.mD And, while he was alive (I can't say what the corporation does todayD as I don't like them enough to take an interest) he gave more of his4 profits to charity than any other company I know of.   bill   -- mJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   r   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jun 2001 12:04:46 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)g2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?, Message-ID: <4XjXESHJ3Tnn@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  - In article <9gqjg7$2fhj$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>,  7     bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:n > M > This is not just a Canadian phenomena.  They do the same down here.  But asIM > long as your bringin up tyres, let me throw this out for consideration.  I iP > need new tyres for my Spitfire.  Being an old car and British to boot, findingN > good tyres is not very easy.  As it turns out, Sam's Club has Michellin's inP > my size and of a type that is ideal for the car and the way I drive.  They areO > on the rack in plentiful numbers and cost $39.00 each.  I went to three other N > local tyre companies that sell Michellins.  One tried to talk me into buyingN > some Japanese garbage tyres instead.  The other two didn't have my size, butO > they could get them for me in 4-7 days and at a a cost of only $75.00 a tyre.LO > Still wonder why WalMart is blowing these other businesses out of the water??  > P     Yeah, but I'll bet those other guys gave you "friendly,personalized service"L and were maybe even located in an "architecturally interesting" building :-)   > J > But, according to you, there is no resistance.  Canadians have gleefullyK > run to the new WalMArt the second it opened abandoning that shop downtown G > that was run by their neighbor for all those years.  Another piece ofrI > American "culture" being willingly grasped by a country that is lettinge > their culture go.: > I     IIRC, WalMart moved into Canada by taking over an existing chain here[I called "WoolCo" ( at least that's what happened in the town I'm familiar nG with). Guess where WoolCo stores were located .. in the suburban malls.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:34:35 -0400*- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?, Message-ID: <3B3108D6.7DD839E1@videotron.ca>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:I > Re-read what I wrote above.  It is a deliberate decision on the part ofb4 > most other countries to not export their culture.   H In all fairness to the rest of the world, it is a LOT harder for foreignK culture to penetrate the USA market than for USA culture to penetrate otherlL markets. Has any of Cline Dion's french songs ever made it big in the USA ?4 She has to sign in English when she goes to the USA.  G Similarly, do you remember the 1980s song 99 luftballons ? They made andN english version for release in the USA. (the original german was much better).  J Oh, and lets talk about movies. Many US movies are actual remake of frenchF movies with american actors. La Totale was turned into that movie withK Swartznegger and Jamie Lee Curtis (the husband is a spy but pretends o be aaM boring salesman etc, forgot the american name). 3 men and a baby was a frenchnH movie, and just recently, you had the "Visitors" (older French movie Les) Visiteurs). The list goes on quite a bit.P  F As far as television is concerned, the US media didn't buy the britishL comedies, they copies them. (remember Three's Company ? that was based on anL original british series). Who Wants to Be a Millionaire is another example. N Why can't the USA mainline networks actually show foreign shows, why must themK be all-american even though many of the shows are copies of foreign shows ?0    L The X-Files was a good example. The show would not have gained acceptance inL the USA if it had been SET in Vancouver Canada. But because they got lost ofL help from the locals, they were always able to SET the show to some place inG the USA even though it was SHOT in Vancouver. They went trough a lot ofnL trouble to put up US licence plates, US Post office mailboxes, flags etc  to, make it appear to be "somewhere" in the USA.  M Of course, with what's his name Duchovny blackmailing the show to move to LostM Angeles, I have stopped watching it because it lost its "Vancouver" flair and ( is just now yet another show shot in LA.  L I got to watch a few episodes of an Aussie show shown on a canadian channel.M It is a cop show called "Water Rats" and is set in Sydney Harbour. It is verysM refreshing to see a show where they don't try to fake their locations. But ofrM course that show has no hope of ever making it in the USA even though it is at( very good quality show (or so it seems).    K > First, that is building a false economy and it won;t work.  It was provenfJ > during the maufactured shortages of the 70's that modern life has becomeM > so wrapped up with the automobile that no matter what it costs, people willy& > pay for the gas and use their cars.   M The 70s were at the tail end of an era where optimism was so high that people L didn't think that there would ever be recessions, or any limits to what theyK could do. A bit like the mid 1980s when we thought that VMS was invincible.   I But now, I think that society has begun to mature more and is starting touK understand that some changes in lifestyles are necessary. Recycling of homesK rubbish wasn't started because of "Greenpeace", but because cities realisedgN that they were running out of space to dump all the rubbish and needed to findL solutiosn to reduce the amount of rubbish being dumped. Helping this was theJ difficulty to increase paper production because you have to fetch the wood ever farther away.  N Large corporations usually take as visible steps as possible to show that theyG are being good to the environment and use recycled paper, cardboard etcf whenever possible.  N More and more, society will find that using "Greenpeace" stuff turns out to beI economically better. But there are areas where artificial inducements areeM necessary because by the time industry would take their owwn initiatives, the/ damage would be too great.  M > But it isn't WalMart's fault.  If the community didn't flock to WalMart, it  > would not have survived.  N The problem with WallMart's is that they setup their huge stores in towns thatG are not necessarily large enough to sustain such a large shop. Once thetJ "local" economy is starved because everyone goes to Wallmart, there aren't? many people left to shop at Wallmart except wallmart employees.e  J > But, according to you, there is no resistance.  Canadians have gleefullyK > run to the new WalMArt the second it opened abandoning that shop downtowna5 > that was run by their neighbor for all those years.s  I As far as WallMart, we had no choice because they took over Woolworths insK Canada. They did build a few stores in smaller towns, but not in the larger / centres since they already have the woolworths.p  K But its isn't just Wallmart, it is also Price Club (Costco), Home Depot etc M etc. Note that they are not without value. The larger store does have greater H variety so the odds are better that you'll find what you're looking for.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:46:38 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>72 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?, Message-ID: <3B310BA8.94715CD5@videotron.ca>   Robert Deininger wrote:fG > I think this kind of thing explains Wal-Mart's success much more than H > price does.  In many smaller towns, the traditional shops have all butJ > given up.  They don't have much in stock, they don't want to order stuffD > for you, and they just act like they don't care about helping you.    K The big problem with this isn't so much Wallmart, but the manufacturers. IfaL the manufacturers weere able to give the smaller shop owners the same pricesM for the goods as they do to Wallmart, then Wallmart would not have succeeded. J Wallmart is often able to sell goods to customers at a price that is lowerL than what the manufacturer charges to the smaller store. How can the smaller6 store be expected to compete on such an uneven basis ?  J In the end, only chains that have centralised buying power who buy in suchK large quantities that their retail prices are lower than what manufacturersgJ charge to "normal" stores will survive. And this also changes a lot of theE "middle" economy. When Wallmart has its own distribution system for a,N continent, a lot of distributors are no longer going to be needed when all the small shops die.  M And this has interesting implications for companies such as Compaq that stilloN rely a lot on the old style of distribution that are no longer needed and just/ add to the costs by adding too many middle men.t    N This is similar to the internet retailers such as Amazon.com .Their success isE due to the fact that by being centralised, they can justify that megarD wharehouse with the mega selection of books always in stock and thenI distribute all over the world. And shipping FedEx (because they ship such J large quantities, they can negotiate very low prices) ends up costing lessS than the costly distributors that each take their cut of the profits along the way.n   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jun 2001 15:15:27 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) 2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?, Message-ID: <jyQEqg5eDNwk@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  - In article <3B3108D6.7DD839E1@videotron.ca>, s3     JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:t   > Bill Gunshannon wrote:J >> Re-read what I wrote above.  It is a deliberate decision on the part of5 >> most other countries to not export their culture. u > J > In all fairness to the rest of the world, it is a LOT harder for foreignM > culture to penetrate the USA market than for USA culture to penetrate otherkN > markets. Has any of Cline Dion's french songs ever made it big in the USA ?6 > She has to sign in English when she goes to the USA. > @    But she has to do that for TROC (The Rest of Canada) as well.   > H > As far as television is concerned, the US media didn't buy the british > comedies, they copies them.   J    Except for PBS and the cable speciality channels. But then the CanadianI media shows only the minimum amount of Canadian content the CRTC will letg+ them get away with, the rest is US imports.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:50:52 GMT- From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com72 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?8 Message-ID: <4v72jtsdouhj9dqmqeej4cob8nd5lrbsrk@4ax.com>  < On 20 Jun 2001 19:00:49 GMT, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:  5 >|> most (all?) of those suppliers cannot say no, or i% >|> else risk losing a large account.8 >tD >And, no matter how low their prices, if the people around the storeA >don't/won't shop there, it will go out of business.  You can not,G >blame a company for delivering what the consumer wants.  That's called 
 >business.   yep, money talks.  like I said.   0 actually, one of the stronger reasons Americans F will shop at one place over another is often simply:  ease of parking.( price comes in on the list as #2, or #3.  tE >|> Walmart is also seriously anti-union, and partial to sweat-shops.n >eD >Some people don't think "anti-union" is a four letter word. And theD >term "sweat-shops" has been done to death.  The conditions are mostB >likely the worst in China and yet they have "most favored nation"< >status.  Oh, yeah, I think they are also "anti-union".  :-)  
 I dunno.    2 unions provide a counter-balance to mgmt excess.   (and vice versa, to be fair)  8 'sweat-shop' is over-used, but fact is Walmart suppliers4 have to make cuts somewhere.  can bet it won't come % out of the suppliers' mgmt salaries.     to parphrase your sig.  >   Capitalism:   it's where the boss decides what's for dinner.  C >|> But money talks.  Sam Walton is one of the world's richest men. B >Actually, no he isn't.  He's dead and has been for about 9 years.   Shame on me for not noticing!s  E >And, while he was alive (I can't say what the corporation does today=E >as I don't like them enough to take an interest) he gave more of hist5 >profits to charity than any other company I know of.r  A Actually, I don't have too strong an opinion for/against WalMart.f  7 I find Walmart vs small-town businesses an interesting  < demonstration of business Darwinism/survival of the fittest.  9 Because that said, WalMart's achille's heel could easily M2 be their large inventory and number of employees  = especially during times of a downward deflationary spiral ....! (ie lower prices every month ...)r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:04:45 +0100r0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?* Message-ID: <3B312C0D.B921C259@uk.sun.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 1 > In article <00256A71.005F26A3.00@quegw01.btyp>, % >  Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com writes:s > |>R > |> Well, given that the British press don't often talk about American Football I > |> think that's unlikely.a > E > With 115 clubs, 150 teams and 12,000 members in Great Britain alone = > the British press completely ignores The EFAF??  Amazing!!!t >    Hardly supprising.  F Field hockey, no ice in sight has probably 10x the number of clubs andH members in the UK than American Football and gets marginally more space 
 in the media.   > Same with rounders, which is what the UK calls baseball :):):)   regards  Andrew Harrisonu Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 01:17:39 +0200o) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> 2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?, Message-ID: <3B312F13.F8C86617@infopuls.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > - > In article <3B2F9B08.B12E6EB@videotron.ca>,n2 >  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > |>S > |> They may have fears, but since there is no one huge trading partner in the EU,$S > |> it is more of an even hand than in the case of Canada/USA. Also, by ganging upSK > |> together, the EU represents a single entity that is of comparable size S > |> (economically) to the USA so the EU has a better chance at protecting its turf5B > |> from USA's culture than individual small countries in Europe. > G > Well, as long as we're bringing culture into this I think you need to E > accept that the US is not forcing it's culture (or lack thereof) onaJ > anyone.  It is the rest of the world that wants to be like us, no matterK > how bad that is.  why do I say this??  Let me give you one small example.  > I > I lived in Germany for a number of years.  Unlike most Americans, I didtH > all I could to immerse myself totally in the culture.  And I loved it.J > With the advent of "bitcasting", I was finally able to look for at leastK > a small piece of that culture I missed so much.  Imagine my surprise wheniI > found the only thing being exported from Germany were little immitaionsGG > of American radio.  I could not find a single station bitcasting fromtL > Germany that was not just playing American garbage that passes for "music"H > today.  I even went so far as to contact some of the stations and evenH > the German Ministry responsible for radio broadcasting to ask why theyG > don't export their own culture instead of just being little copies of G > America.  Most never even responded.  Those few who did could not see G > any reason why anyone would be interested in their culture as opposeds > what they offered.   How good is your German?? May I point out one important point you seem to be missing: then? stupidity or sloppyness or willing to follow of the masses. The ? mass is like children in that they don't choose what's best forn; them instead what is easier or more comfortable or cheaper.,? Germany is an especially bad example because after WW2 a lot oft? people didn't want to stick to their own culture and USamerican ! style of living got very popular.n? English is (unfortunately) a very popular second language whichh? helps USamerican companies sell their products also in the areai5 of culture where it normally the most difficult part.n8 A lot of USamerican companies are forcing their business= partners to accept bad conditions. One example: Unfortunatelyi8 the stupid Hollywood movies are very popular because the; children's taste is already spoiled by USamerican TV series ? (also completely stupid products). But the German companies for-@ distributing the movies could not buy only the movies they want.7 Instead there are packages and they have to buy severaln= worthless movies together with the one they want to have. Butl? this worthless movies are also set on the programme to get somei money back.s  H > We don't have to push our culture on anyone.  Those who can't make theG > trip over here are perfectly willing to change their way of life intoyH > a cheap copy  of ours.  The only exception to this seems to be IrelandH > which is going thru a cultural renaissance.  It probably has somethingG > to do with the massive exodus they went through which left less IrishzH > people in Ireland thanin the rest of the world.  Being one who is veryI > proud of my roots (both Irish and Slavic) I think this cultural suicidetL > is a bad thing.  And that it is frequently blamed on the US being culturalJ > imperialists when in fact it is totally voluntary and even desired makes > it even more disturbing.  : You are probably a very honest person who has no clue what= incredible things your companies and your government is doings; outside the USA. Besides this illegal activities there is ag6 tremendous amount of pressure by economical methods on= governments in South America, Europe and Asia to grant better:# conditions to USamerican companies.e  > Your statements seem to reveal that you are not informed about# what happened in the last 20 years.g  N > |> One can argue about the quality of the USA's culture, but you can't argueN > |> about its strength. Few countries have a culture strong enough that it isS > |> exported in such a scale as that of the USA. (from McDonalds to Larry SpringerrL > |> :-) ( I use culture in its general sense, not the number of museums and > |> concert halls). > I > Re-read what I wrote above.  It is a deliberate decision on the part of-J > most other countries to not export their culture.  The INTERNET makes itG > easier than ever to do it, most countries choose not to.  There is norK > argument about the quality of American culture.  There is none.  Americann4 > "culture" is marked by it's total lack of culture. > N > |> The USA is unaware of this because almost all of its "culture" comes fromQ > |> within. But when you go to other countries, that is when you realise how the Q > |> USA's culture is creeping in to other cultures, in many cases quite visibly.t > 9 > And totaly by the desire and actions of the recipients.e >  > |>R > |> Australia is a good example. It seems to be switching from its attachement toS > |> England to one with the USA.  Pretty amazing how advertising can convince kidstQ > |> anywhere in the world that Michael Jordan is a hero even though they may noti) > |> have any basketball in that country.  > K > Especially when there are large numbers of people in this country who noteI > only know who he is and what he does and not only don't think he is any,H > kind of a hero but certainly don't think he is any kind of a desirable
 > role model.  > O > |> > Nobody wants to take away your currency in Canada.  That's a good thing.P > |>J > |> No offense, but our currency looks better than yours :-) :-) :-) (And8 > |> Australia's is really neat with the plastic bills). > |>O > |> > Why should any government get involved in picking retail stores?  In theeK > |> > vast majority of cases where Wal-Mart is winning, it's because their  > |> > competition stinks. > |>S > |> Because it is changing the face of rural areas. You are essentially moving the S > |> town centre from the town centre to the Wallmart on the outskirts of the town, I > |> usually near the highway, often against the wishes of the communuty.s > J > How is that possible??  If the community refused to shop there, it wouldH > quietly go out of business and fade away.  Assuming other alternativesM > existed before the arrival of WalMart, then they needed customers more thanSJ > the customers needed the store.  That being the case, the community madeK > the store a success at the expense of the existing businesses.  Why??  In J > most cases, greed.  WalMart is cheaper. Often only by a few pennies, butM > cheaper just the same and in order to save those few pennies, the communityeJ > turned it's back on the older businesses.  Goes back to SUV's.  Why doesI > Detroit make them??  Because the consumers want them.  Why does WalMarthG > flourish??  Because the people go ther to shop.  No one can force theoN > community to go to WalMart rather than Joe's Hardware, they do it willingly.  = You again don't take into account that people don't have longt> memories nor have they the ability to analyse the consequences= of their actions. This is also true for the government of the ; USA which did a lot of bad things to their own people (e.g.a? their soldiers in Vietnam) let alone to people outside the USA.t< People not only have problems in rational behaviour they are= also manipulated by PR. Have you ever heard of the concept of  creating a market?  J > |> Similarly, canadian "cultural" entities (magazine/book publishers, TVK > |> production houses etc) succesfully convinced the governement (even thesO > |> Mulroney one) that it was necessary to exemot cultural industries from thehO > |> free trade agreements otherwise the "Wallmarts" of the cultural industriesu3 > |> would come to canada and take over everything.e > |>Q > |> For some people, the way of life is more important than saving a few pennies  > |> when you buy something. > L > While true, it seems that those of us who think true cultural diversity isM > a valuable thing are getting as rare as VMS users. (like how I brought thispN > back on topic.  :-))  Most people would rather spend 5 cents worth of gas toI > save 2 cents on the price of a common item at the not so local WalMart.e  @ Most people would buy a cheaper good even if they knew that this; would kill the rain forrest. Basically the stupidity of thet5 masses is one important reason for the necessity of at= government. In the area of governments this is the reason forW? wars and other bad decisions like spoiling the earth with waste . and killing the oceans which belong to nobody.  L > |> In Canada, what Wallmart has done is force the canadian chains, such asR > |> Canadian Tire to close many stores and build large box stores on highways. In > M > This is not just a Canadian phenomena.  They do the same down here.  But as L > long as your bringin up tyres, let me throw this out for consideration.  IP > need new tyres for my Spitfire.  Being an old car and British to boot, findingN > good tyres is not very easy.  As it turns out, Sam's Club has Michellin's inP > my size and of a type that is ideal for the car and the way I drive.  They areO > on the rack in plentiful numbers and cost $39.00 each.  I went to three othereN > local tyre companies that sell Michellins.  One tried to talk me into buyingN > some Japanese garbage tyres instead.  The other two didn't have my size, butO > they could get them for me in 4-7 days and at a a cost of only $75.00 a tyre.rO > Still wonder why WalMart is blowing these other businesses out of the water??  > R > |> my case, I used to be able to walk to the local canadian tire, but now, it is > F > Walk to the tyre store??  Somehow, that strikes me as not being very > productive.  :-) > P > |> far away and it is right next to another "home depot" style stores which inN > |> turns is right next to a large shopping mall which in turn is next to theL > |> Price Club (Costco). The wallmart is west of the canadian tire (and old > |> woolworths store).t > K > Same here, but it started with the Malls.  Now the downtown areas are all M > lamenting the loss of these businesses.  But sometimes its just too late toe > lock the barn door.e >  > |>R > |> But in reality, by concentrating your stores in large box stores one  next toS > |> each other, the few pennies you save buying stuff is wasted on fuel because ofnS > |> the extra driving, and more importantly, because of all the time it takes when  > |> you're stuck in traffic.i > G > Actually, this last was the primary reason for moving them out of the F > downtown in the first place.  In the past 30-40 years, the number ofF > vehicles onthe road has more than tripled.  Most urban areas can notH > handle this load and the people decided it was more convenient to shopE > outside town.  This resulted in the death of most downtown shoppingtK > and with it, the loss of contact with our neighbors that was as importante6 > a feature of these trips as the actual shopping was. >  > |>L > |> Interestingly, the "new" Canadian Tire isn't doing as well as the olderO > |> smaller one that was nearer to customer's homes. By forcing people to takehS > |> their cars to get a lightbulb instead of walking, you are not helping save theh > |> environment.n > K > Down here, they don't bother changing the bulb until all of them are gonerK > or it's inspection time.  Nothing to do with moving the store, just plain  > lazy.e >  > |>P > |> What can government do ?  Good question.  But a government has the tools atQ > |> its disposal to shape the economy or at least steer it. If the price of fueliN > |> is such that people don't want to drive to the strip mall far away on the: > |> highway, then vendors will build closer to customers. > K > First, that is building a false economy and it won't work.  It was provenrJ > during the maufactured shortages of the 70's that modern life has becomeM > so wrapped up with the automobile that no matter what it costs, people willrO > pay for the gas and use their cars.  The net effect is to add to the hardshiprI > of that segment of society that can least afford it while having only ah! > minimal effect on the majority.? > K > and second, it is attacking a symptom and not the disease.  You can't useoI > bad economics to bolster a sagging culture.  If the government is to doiJ > anything, they need to find a way to make people proud of their culturalH > heritage again.  If people take pride in their neighborhoods and townsG > they will fight to preserve them.  When they have been convinced thatCI > their culture is valueless, then they will continue to let it die while-J > importing in that culture that the media keeps telling them is desirous.H > Even a lie said long enough and loud enough takes on the appearance of > the truth. >  > |>? > |> > And I've never heard of a Wal-Mart killing a whole town.a > |>R > |> Perhaps not the whole town, but it does kill the small shops that were there.R > |> Just like the mega book stores are killing the smaller book stores. The localS > |> small shopping mall hasn't recovered from Canadian Tire leaving it and is morebC > |> than half empty of stores now. (It had maybe 20 stores before)u > M > But it isn't WalMart's fault.  If the community didn't flock to WalMart, itl > would not have survived. >  > |>8 > |> > Towns have been dying since long before Wal-Mart. > |>O > |> Wallmart (and the others) is moving towns from their quaint city centre toeO > |> some strip shoping mall with vast expanses of parking and no architecturalnQ > |> interest (unless you really like the rectangular wharehouses with no style).h > E > WalMart didn't do that, the people abandoned the quaint city centreoF > willingly.  WalMart does not have the force of arms.  People stoppedE > placing value on the culture associated with the quaint city centresF > and when the first opportunity arose, they abandoned it.  One of theC > things I liked about Germany were the traffic restricted shoppingtD > districts in the downtown area.  Don't get me wrong, they have bigG > warehouse like stores outside the city too, and I have shopped there.|F > But they also still have these shopping districts and frequently oneE > would go there just to walk, window-shop and meet people.  At least E > as of 1980 when I came home the last time they still held onto thistF > part of their culture.  We, on this side of the ocean, are much moreG > enlightened and thus have grown beyond such quaint ideas.  Canada maykH > have resisted longer, but they too will be assimilated.  Resistance isJ > futile.  but at least for now, I can still go to Kingston, ON and wander6 > in and out of all the quaint shops and books stores.  > These areas are still increasing in European cities. But there: seems to be one important difference: ever heard of public> transportation? This is the way to bring the masses in and out of town, cars won't make it.   > |>Q > |> > Well, we've quieted the protectionists down pretty well in the last coupled > |> > of decades. > |>N > |> Interestingly enough, as soon as Bush Jr got the keys to the white house,V > |> protectionist rumblings started to be heard again against canadian wood products. > |>O > |> Interesting how one will say that Wallmart is good because it brings lower Q > |> prices to consumers. But why then would USA be opposed to buying the cheaper R > |> canadian wood since it means lower house prices for americans ? Oops, becauseS > |> profits go to Canada, jobs go to Canada. Apply this logic to the large USA box M > |> stores trying to sell their wares in Canada at a lower price and you cane' > |> understand some of the resistance.n > J > But, according to you, there is no resistance.  Canadians have gleefullyK > run to the new WalMArt the second it opened abandoning that shop downtown G > that was run by their neighbor for all those years.  Another piece of I > American "culture" being willingly grasped by a country that is lettings > their culture go.e >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:27:47 -0500i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n2 Subject: Re: [OT] Current Microsoft v DOJ status ?' Message-ID: <3B313F83.556D2911@fsi.net>e    LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com wrote: > [snip], > to parphrase your (Bill Gunshannon's) sig. > @ >   Capitalism:   it's where the boss decides what's for dinner.  B ...or maybe more correct to say, "where the boss decides who's for4 dinner" or "where the boss decides who gets dinner".   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/k  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jun 2001 22:41:01 GMT' From: prosullivan@aol.com (PROSULLIVAN)aC Subject: Re: [Q] Is there a non-CA replacement for Console Manager? : Message-ID: <20010620184101.08269.00000264@ng-cm1.aol.com>   OK - PCM then ECP (ECM)m  E PCM replacements: I have considered two: Consoleworks from TecSys andr Robocentral from Heriox.     Rule:x  I All console manager products are as only as good as their scan files. TryoO finding up-to-date scan profiles for VMS 7.x HSG80, ES and GS machines from anynM Most sites want an enterprise console manager than works on any platform. The N vendor's attitude to updated scan files appears to be 'shrug, it's always been bad, so get used to it'.  L Consoleworks is web-based and is supported by the bits of Compaq pushing theG GS' series as the approved console manager products. It has a very goodfJ interface, runs on VMS and NT. Not so hot on sending messages out to other EMA's in current version  : http://www.compaq.com/inFORM/issues/issue28/ps04cuw-d.html  K Robocentral: client-based, runs on NT. Has autofailover to backup nodes anduH good messaging utilities via Robomon to TNG/Tivoli etc. Recommended by a different bit of Compaq.  5 http://www.heroix.com/products/detail_robocentral.htmp   ECP:  N To get the best out of ECP you need to analyze the data in greater detail thanL the top 10 metrics in the graphs provided by the ECP Analyzer. The collectorM gets more metrics than psdc ever did, but misses out things like hotfiles andcN the beloved pspa knowledge base, the latter used by consultants (in Compaq andF beyond) everywhere to appear really on top of their game to customers.  F To get the most out of the ecp data file you need to load it into PAWZL (Performance Analysis Web Zone) - using the PAWZ additional graphs facility.M That will let you see all the metrics in the file.  Slightly frustrating: yourK know the data is in there somewhere, but unless you use the PAWZ or the ECPa6 Capacity Planner, you are not going to see all of it.   E Best thing: ECP Collector and ECP Analyzer for VMS is free. No charges  C http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/performance-and-capacity.htmll   regards    paul   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.341 ************************