1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 05 Mar 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 128       Contents:= (Re: How to replace a multi-volme disk set with larger disks? . Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask.. Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask.1 ANNOUNCING: Patch file for CVS v1.11 for OpenVMS. 9 Re: Any VMS Database product compatible w/ Microsoft SQL? ' Re: Audio Input. Was: Janitor fixes 90L  Brazil Volkscomputer6 Re: Compaq to transfer clustering technology to Oracle6 Re: Compaq to transfer clustering technology to Oracle6 Re: Compaq to transfer clustering technology to Oracle6 Re: Compaq to transfer clustering technology to Oracle6 RE: Compaq to transfer clustering technology to Oracle# CPUSANITY, CPU sanity timer expired ' Re: CPUSANITY, CPU sanity timer expired ' Re: CPUSANITY, CPU sanity timer expired ' Re: CPUSANITY, CPU sanity timer expired ' Re: CPUSANITY, CPU sanity timer expired  Re: Decserver 90M software' Re: Drop C/C++ better sooner than later ' Re: Drop C/C++ better sooner than later  Help Hard disk full  Re: Help Hard disk full  Re: Help Hard disk full  Re: Help Hard disk full 9 Re: How to convert an indexed file to a sequential file?? 9 Re: How to convert an indexed file to a sequential file?? , Re: how to determine when file is accessible4 Re: How to licence boot strapping a hobbyist system?< Re: How to replace a multi-volme disk set with larger disks?< Re: How to replace a multi-volme disk set with larger disks?$ Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....)( Re: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....) Re: Janitor fixes 90L  Re: Just Two Days Left to Vote Re: Just Two Days Left to Vote Re: Just Two Days Left to Vote# Re: Looking for VI emulator for TPU # Re: Looking for VI emulator for TPU  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  RE: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: Low cost workstations  Re: New Sun Blade 4 Re: Pls help with $PRODUCT INSTALL on this PCSI file4 Re: Problem compiling Fortran program with /SEPARATE# Re: SAMBA 2.0.6 seems to hate me...   Re: Samba on OpenVMS & passwords Re: Satellite MV2000 won't boot  SHAREWARE: jpg2pdf 1.1 SWXCR reconfiguration problem.( UCX Device sockets - buffer or I/O drops, Re: UCX Device sockets - buffer or I/O drops UCX TimeOut  Re: UCX/TCPIP 5.1 for Hobbyist Re: Umbrella in Germany  Re: Umbrella in Germany  Re: VMS databases for hobbyist? 7 Re: VMS V7.2+ bug - directory modification date changes   WKU FILESERV: Updated FTP_MIRROR  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:23:27 +0100% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> F Subject: (Re: How to replace a multi-volme disk set with larger disks?. Message-ID: <97vlug$3hk$1@info.service.rug.nl>  > "Chris Scheers" <chris@applied-synergy.com> wrote in message =- news:3A9FAF90.A1E5A4D8@applied-synergy.com... E > I'm probably missing something obvious (it's been a while since I =  workedF > with volume sets), but why are you doing an image backup?  /IMAGE isF > necessary for a system disk, but shouldn't be necessary for a data = diskH > unless you need to preserve FIDs or have files with multiple directory
 > entries. >=20I > Assuming that you don't need an image backup, just do a normal backup =  of > your existing volume set:  >=20+ > $ BACKUP source-disk tape:SAVESET /rewind  >=20H > Dismount the old disks, load up the new disks, and create a new, empty
 > volume set.  >=20H > NOTE: AFAIK, all file headers are stored in the INDEXF.SYS file of theH > first volume of the volume set, so you need to make sure that you INITF > this disk with a large enough /MAXIMUM_FILES switch.  You probably = also- > want to use an appropriate /HEADERS switch.  >=20H > Once you have your new volume set created and mounted, just do a files > backup to load it. >=20+ > $ BACKUP tape:SAVESET volume-set/By_Owner   ? Since a few more people suggested to try BACKUP without /IMAGE, = I tried to replace the disks this weekend. I used BACKUP with > /IMAGE to save the old disks on tape and I used BACKUP without< /IMAGE to restore the contenst from tape onto the new disks.- It more or less works, but with some remarks:   = 1) I'm not sure wether our users used file aliases, if so,=20 ;     they are lost now. Because of change of file-ids, users ;     with entries in print and batch queues lost their jobs. %     In this case it was only one job.   ? 2) The creation dates and modification dates of all directories @     have been reset to the time of the restoration. I don't know=     whether this will be a problem. Probably not. It could be 0     a problem for incremental backup procedures.  ; 3) After the restoration, the disks mounted only read-only. <     It turned out that this was caused by the QUOTA.SYS file;     being placed on another than the first volume of the=20 7     volume set. By mounting the disks /NOQUOTA, I could :     mount the disks read-write and copy the QUOTA.SYS file:     to the first volume. Then it was possible to mount the*     disks read-write with quota's enabled.  ? 4) The restore operation was still four times slower (12 hours) A     than the save operation (3 hours). Although it is much faster A     than the estimated time for the restore operation with /IMAGE ?     (50 hours), I still think it is unacceptable that a restore !     operation needs so much time.   @ I consider this whole procedure more as a clumsy work-around forA a failing BACKUP/IMAGE than as nice procedure to restore a multi-  volume saveset.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:49:02 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com 7 Subject: Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask. D Message-ID: <OF85AF1C97.4E34977F-ON88256A06.0061C536@foundation.com>  I Reminds me of the several times we got customers calling to complain that J they couldn't download files to their PC. When asked what make the PC was, they'd say "VT220"....   Shane           F rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) on 03/02/2001 07:52:36 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   8 Subject:  Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask.    E In article <C5Wn6.2271$TL4.923319@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. + Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   9 > http://web14.compaq.com/falco/detail.asp?FAQnum=FAQ2859   I That's an oldie but goodie.  I've seen it years ago in the "humorous help  desk stories" type of list.    -- Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:06:04 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br 7 Subject: Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask. L Message-ID: <OF97F5C3F8.74CD0C78-ON03256A06.006338B7@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  ? When I used VT220 I wanted to develop a  firmware  to  download 7 files , connecting a Floppy in the parallel  port :-)))     H No way . . . here in Brazil was common people put the mouse in the floor4 and they though it was used as an "acelerator"  :-))   Regards    FC            2 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com em 05/03/2001 14:49:02             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       7 Assunto: Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask.       I Reminds me of the several times we got customers calling to complain that J they couldn't download files to their PC. When asked what make the PC was, they'd say "VT220"....   Shane           F rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) on 03/02/2001 07:52:36 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   8 Subject:  Re: A Compaq Qwestion a VMSer Would Never Ask.    E In article <C5Wn6.2271$TL4.923319@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. + Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   9 > http://web14.compaq.com/falco/detail.asp?FAQnum=FAQ2859   I That's an oldie but goodie.  I've seen it years ago in the "humorous help  desk stories" type of list.    -- Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 12:33:55 EST 1 From: byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer) : Subject: ANNOUNCING: Patch file for CVS v1.11 for OpenVMS.1 Message-ID: <stj0lCs+pONK@cartman.ourservers.net>   J After finding an older version of CVS on the OpenFreeware CD I wondered ifC there was a newer version of CVS out that would work under OpenVMS.    After checking...    	ftp://ftp.cyclic.com/pub   K I saw that CVS v1.11 was availalbe and it appeared to have OpenVMS support.   I After I unpacked the package I noticed that the OpenVMS files hadn't been K updated in quite a few versions and it wouldn't compile correctly under DEC  C v6.0 under OpenVMS v7.2   L After spending a day with it I created a new compile scrip and patched a few$ things and it appears to be working.  L So I've put together a patch kit for CVS v1.11 so you can compile it and run it on under DEC C and OpenVMS.  K I didnt' really touch any of the code, which DOES need to be cleaned up and 4 updated as I just wanted to get the stock kit going.   You can find my patch at.   B 	http://www.ourservers.net/public/vms/programming/vms_cvs-1_11.zip  - And you will need the CVS v1.11 source from..    	ftp://ftp.cyclic.com/pub   K Curently, its just a client and it does login to a server and will checkout N files, but it dosen't convert file names like "config.h.in" and won't download. them and will bomb on directories like ".test"  H I haven't tested out all the functions so I'm not sure what is and isn'tO working and you WILL get some link warnings about some functions missing, which H I couldn't find so I'm not sure what's up with that, but it runs anyway.  H I'm hoping that someone will clean this up and patch a few things as CVSG for OpenVMS that can handle Unix file names has been needed for a while 5 and would help people port Unix code over to OpenVMS.   H So, here it is for all it's worth.  If you have any questions, feel free" to ask and I'll see what I can do.   --    @  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |@  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+@  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |@  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |@  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |@  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:56:11 -0600, From: "Tony Scandora" <scandora@cmt.anl.gov>B Subject: Re: Any VMS Database product compatible w/ Microsoft SQL?+ Message-ID: <980js8$8p2$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>   H It depends on how much of your application is tied to SQL Server and howE much control you have over its source code.  You can extract all of a J database's definitions as SQL code into a text file and manually translateL from SQL Server's dialect to Rdb's or any other dialect.  If it has triggersL and stored procedures written in Microsoft's dialect of T-SQL, or depends onL SQL Server's security model, or uses any other SQL Server-specific features, that might be difficult.  F If there is an Oracle version of your application, Oracle runs on VMS.  K If the PC part of the application uses ODBC, it probably won't care whether L the database engine is SQL Server, Rdb, or anything else.  If the PC part ofI the application uses OLE DB, you should be able to map it to an ODBC data  source.   J It would be nice if VMS's Windows extensions could support SQL Server, but don't hold your breath.   I Good luck, and if you want to talk about it, feel free to give me a call. 1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541  scandora@cmt.anl.gov  - "Paul Sture" <paul@sture.ch> wrote in message % news:VA.000002da.9f156142@sture.ch... : > In article <3A9D9221.10801@fsi.net>, Mark E. Levy wrote:' > > From: "Mark E. Levy" <mark@fsi.net>  > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms B > > Subject: Any VMS Database product compatible w/ Microsoft SQL?) > > Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:04:49 -0600  > > I > > I have an application that requires Microsoft SQL server. For reasons H > > obvious to readers of this NG, I'd prefer to have it live on my OVMSE > > box. Pathworks does a great job of making lowly PCs think they're L > > talking to an NT server. Are there any OVMS based database products that8 > > "look" like Microsoft SQL to an unsuspecting PC app? > > H > If I've read it correctly, the Attunity stuff does that sort of thing.G > Apparently it can even do joins across different database products on  > different platforms. >  > ___  > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:05:39 +0000 % From: "Matt London" <news@knm.yi.org> 0 Subject: Re: Audio Input. Was: Janitor fixes 90L= Message-ID: <20010305.160539.1911165193.19226@coffeepot.matt>   G > I have a collection of these on Audio cassette. What can I go looking J > for to digitze them and turn them into MP3s, or some other format? TC or > PCI, can borrow an AS100.  >   I I've been mp3ing vinyl LPs and tapes recently, I find my P3 linux box can I encode quite happily in realtime, then once you have enough to fill a CD, E burn em :&) Sure beats making an intermediate non-compressed file and  filling up your drive.   --Matt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 07:45:27 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: Brazil Volkscomputer L Message-ID: <OF0D9E3C34.CD2165B5-ON03256A06.003AF361@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  
 Just Click  ; http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-5008013.html?tag=cd_mh     F And Imagine why companies like Compaq are having revenue problems ....I If their CTO, CIO, CEO, CXYZ would be a little more intelligent ....(???)      Regards    FC   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:12:30 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> ? Subject: Re: Compaq to transfer clustering technology to Oracle H Message-ID: <y4zof0bmv5.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  K I would say much of the clustering technology goes into the kernel, and the I WNT/W2000 kernel is "based" on VMS, is it not? So maybe such a port, with J source from Redmond and their assistence(?), is possible in a finite time.   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:16:32 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> ? Subject: Re: Compaq to transfer clustering technology to Oracle H Message-ID: <y4wva4bmof.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  " steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:  M > There are environments that I've heard of where clustering is just too slow K > and/or unreliable for what is being provided.  I'm not sure how fast NASA E > expect their systems to realize that one has disappeared and adjust I > themselves round it to make sure that the work is covered, nor what the M > impact would be if they lost a network connection and forced one or more of & > their machines into a CLUEXIT crash.  M It's been repeatedly noted here and elsewhere that a VMScluster, and probably M any similar cluster, is not a way to build a reliable _real-time_ system. The J shuttle computer system has dedicated circuits supporting voting, somewhatN similar to the Tandem approach. The overhead for that is also much higher than that of a cluster.   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 08:15:36 -0500 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ? Subject: Re: Compaq to transfer clustering technology to Oracle 3 Message-ID: <G8Ul8SR6tXYh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <OFA8D34C4F.E71AFAEC-ON80256A03.0055F5BF@qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:   M > There are environments that I've heard of where clustering is just too slow K > and/or unreliable for what is being provided.  I'm not sure how fast NASA E > expect their systems to realize that one has disappeared and adjust I > themselves round it to make sure that the work is covered, nor what the M > impact would be if they lost a network connection and forced one or more of & > their machines into a CLUEXIT crash. >   ( Depends completely on the application.    H In some applications we've deployed VMSclusters on NASA sites with greatG success.  In others we've recognized that DEC new what they were saying G when they said VMScluster and realtime aren't a good mix.  On the otherM> hand, in typical NASA work there are at least 3 definitions of "realtime".o  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingr   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 08:17:39 -0500x- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ? Subject: Re: Compaq to transfer clustering technology to Oraclen3 Message-ID: <NCWpEalwne6g@eisner.encompasserve.org>x   In article <y4zof0bmv5.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:M > I would say much of the clustering technology goes into the kernel, and theoK > WNT/W2000 kernel is "based" on VMS, is it not? So maybe such a port, witheL > source from Redmond and their assistence(?), is possible in a finite time.  > Much of the I/O subsystem in NT has VMS and RSX as it's direct; predecessors.  Much of the rest of the WNT kernel does not.r  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationo= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingo   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:05:43 +0000 " From: Nic P Clews <nclews@csc.com>? Subject: RE: Compaq to transfer clustering technology to Oracler@ Message-ID: <OFEF1BB3A7.873BE993-ON80256A06.0052ECA8@eu.csc.com>   Kerry,  6 (Thanks for copying me, I have lost the thread with my: newsreader / browser, and I can only reply via email. MostA frustrating!) (Oh, just found it.) (And I have to manually wrap!)   0 I think the main thrust I was trying to get over; is there are newer creatures in the rathole! VMS offers and C still will offer in the future proven and reliable clustering. Thatc7 is under no doubt, but I am a technology observer and I.: try not to take what I know for granted. I know I may come5 across as arrogant sometimes, but I don't claim to be : right, I hope I don't offend people, and those same people; will set me right! There was a small group of us at a DECUS-6 event who stayed for 3 hours after the scheduled close; discussing this and only leaving because we got thrown out/:7 had transportation to catch. Mind opening stuff, if youi4 considered this UK event then skipped it, you missed some brilliant stuff.s  2 WRT Oracle and the Oracle Parallel Server, the DLM< is implemented at the application level. It matters not what7 the OS is capable of. I've used database systems on VMSi9 (Cincom Supra) which very elegantly and cleverly bypassesM< what a cluster has to offer, yet with before image and after6 image logging offers a secure cluster wide transaction environment.  F One of the important (as I see it, please lets discuss around this) is process mirroring technology.o  > Himalaya does everything in twos, and it has the capability to= clone. You lose one of the pair, the single is then cloned tos; provide another pair. The life of a process can be extendeds( beyond that of the uptime of any system.  A As you point out, arguably the need to do this is not very likelyu@ knowing most applications (:-)) and resizing, rescaling and most+ importantly migrating to larger data areas.b  A The main thing is "availability during intended available hours", 6 over and around unexpected and unintended issues which' would normally affect the availability.0  ? We need to bear in mind that many of the folks taking decisionsp> at this strategic level have never been aware of or introducedB to what traditional 'datacenter' (sp. sic) systems are capable of.@ They are probably well aware of the issues yet for the most part- perceive no increased need for functionality.   8 When some new 'whizzy' comes along which improves on any= of the issues, I can imagine it being embraced with open arms < rather than a full and proper evaluation of the marketplace.  = My overall point is VMS cannot afford to rest on its laurels.a> The Tru64, at a premium, are offering what we take for granted? on VMS, the DLM, the cluster concept, even down to quorum diskso (but one vote each).  D I don't think this is non disclosure, there were no NDA's I saw, butB process mirroring is expected to be available as well for Tru64. I? admit to having some, but limited UNIX experience in comparison : to VMS. Forget how you'd use it, being able to do it opensD possibilities in the mind that sells the proverbial snow to Eskimos.  @ It amuses me to think that satellite navigation is being sold on? motor vehicles to people who probably can't even use a compass,mB or read a map. However it must be a unique selling feature as moreB and more vehicles are offering this as part of the package. I hateC car analogies as much as the next, but I believe the best must alsot; continue to innovate, no matter what the perceived need is.o  F I'm fighting VMS's corner here, but others contributing to this threadC are also pointing out that the traditional picture of clustering isw; changing. Here's a good one for discussion, is SETI a multi  platform cluster?   < NO because multiple systems are (potentially) performing theD same activity until the results are delivered to the host system, if ever.R  3 YES because they are working to one common purpose.-  + (I won't add further. I don't even run it.)u  = In the transaction world that you talk about, we only know ifc< it has been completed if that acknowledgement is returned to? the transaction initiator. Whether to retry or abandon is up to B the owner of that transaction, the validity and completion of same< is up to the database itself. Where they meet depends on the? protocol. Overall its in the hands of the programmers, but theya; don't all use VMS. Transactional computing is only one formy of processing.  5 To answer your specific points with my point of view:a  C >1. In a shared nothing environment, the architect estimates(?) theI expectedD >loads, sizes the servers and assigns specific resources to specific systems.H >Now - What does one do when the CPU (or memory) load on the server that  >"owns" a resource is exceeded ?  4 One A. Clone the resource to something more capable.  J To add to this, many programmers are probably aware that a brick wall withK processor technology will be one day hit, the way to get more power will betE to use parallel thread processing, and linux is moving that way (e.g.n Beowulf)  F Something to bear in mind about process mirroring/cloning, is that theK 'primary' uses 100% of the processor resource requirement, the mirror needs J a mere small percentage just to keep up, leaving that processor free to do other work.   F One thing that VMS does very well in the shared storage arena is boundJ volume sets, incrementally adding storage on the fly. I'm not aware of any, other operating systems that can do this...?  H But in terms of an over loaded server, the trend to SAN environments andJ its sharing, means that something has to be made to be able to 'take over'F ownership, if not today, in the future it will be available. Think howH the mastered lock is remastered under VMS. Further to that, bear in mindG that the distributed lock is a lock and it's copy. A clone in any othern words.  F >2. How can one shutdown a server that "owns" a resource in the sharedI >nothing cluster for proactive maint with ZERO availability impact and noeH >failover (see comment above about disconnecting thousands of users with6 >their credit cards in hand - even for a few moments).  E I'm not sure how familiar you are with Himalaya, but take time out tojB see what it is capable of. I saw a presentation by a technical pre@ sales consultant, and the audience (me included) all stopped andF queried, and appreciated the enlightenment. It is positioned above VMSE for availability, and rightly so. Its futures are something to wonder  about.  I As you say, the up and coming 12 months, but you and I, and I suspect the K other odd greying/balding/bearded/short sighted computing professional havenH seen many things before us, but predictable, most of it is by popularityG alone, save the odd innovation that does take the imagination by storm.a  J Like me (!) VMS has to be able to rise to the criticism levelled at it. We all grow and mature from that.  H As I said at the beginning, I'm a technology watcher. I work with and inI VMS and there are still lots of people that want or need little more thanEH the excellence it offers. However that does not mean its the best in all cases.  < I am the converted but I think it pays to know your 'enemy'.  E Good discussion this, I've enjoyed reading everyone else's as well soo% thanks to all contributors so far....u   All opinions etc.!   regards, Nic Clews CSC nclews at csc dot coml   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:41:39 +01001 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com> , Subject: CPUSANITY, CPU sanity timer expired- Message-ID: <9801lq$nor$1@news2.ipartners.pl>k  J AlphaServer 8200, 2 CPU, newly upgraded from 7.1-1H1 to 7.2-1 crashed with# the message I wrote in the subject.s  L I have checked FAQ and VMS patches so far, but I haven't found anything thatG could be useful. BTW - are there hardware-related patches downloadable?eK As a temporary fix we have increased SMP_SANITY_CNT by 100%, but we are notO sure if it is a sane solution.  ! Have you got any idea what to do?i T. D.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:56:01 +0000-  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com0 Subject: Re: CPUSANITY, CPU sanity timer expiredH Message-ID: <OFE7DDC784.78D47161-ON80256A06.0046C831@qedi.quintiles.com>  D What software are you running on the system and what was the processJ running on the CPU that caused the problem?  We used to have problems withI UCX v4.1 and DCPS v1.3 or v1.5 as the two would not play happily togethers! and used to hang onto a spinlock.  Steve.  7 Tomasz Dryjanski (tdryjanski at hotmail dot com) wrote:iH >>>AlphaServer 8200, 2 CPU, newly upgraded from 7.1-1H1 to 7.2-1 crashed with# the message I wrote in the subject.-  G I have checked FAQ and VMS patches so far, but I haven't found anything  thatG could be useful. BTW - are there hardware-related patches downloadable?uK As a temporary fix we have increased SMP_SANITY_CNT by 100%, but we are not  sure if it is a sane solution.  $ Have you got any idea what to do?<<<   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:17:34 +01001 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com>n0 Subject: Re: CPUSANITY, CPU sanity timer expired- Message-ID: <980aq7$u0f$1@news2.ipartners.pl>   F > What software are you running on the system and what was the processL > running on the CPU that caused the problem?  We used to have problems withK > UCX v4.1 and DCPS v1.3 or v1.5 as the two would not play happily togethere# > and used to hang onto a spinlock.c > Steve.  J The system stopped while in RDB exec, v.7.0.5. I haven't obsrved any notesL mentioning TCP/IP nor UCX (which was replaced with v50a during VMS upgrade).   T. D.C  I PS. Sorry for possible mistakes in my english - I'm not a native speaker.C   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 11:19:44 -0500o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)0 Subject: Re: CPUSANITY, CPU sanity timer expiredL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0503011119450001@user-2ive7ok.dialup.mindspring.com>  @ In article <9801lq$nor$1@news2.ipartners.pl>, "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com> wrote:h  L > AlphaServer 8200, 2 CPU, newly upgraded from 7.1-1H1 to 7.2-1 crashed with% > the message I wrote in the subject.u > N > I have checked FAQ and VMS patches so far, but I haven't found anything thatI > could be useful. BTW - are there hardware-related patches downloadable?oM > As a temporary fix we have increased SMP_SANITY_CNT by 100%, but we are noth  > sure if it is a sane solution.  F Most (or all) alpha systems have upgradeable firmware.  Was a firmwareG upgrade recommended for VMS 7.2-1, and did you do it?   The firmware ispI downloadable, but I've always found a firmware CD in the package with VMS 
 alpha CDs.  B Did you read the VMS release notes carefully?  There are sometimes" cautions about this sort of thing.   -- t Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 17:46:25 +0000-  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com0 Subject: Re: CPUSANITY, CPU sanity timer expiredH Message-ID: <OFA617035F.06276549-ON80256A06.00615624@qedi.quintiles.com>  G Was an upgrade required for RDB or is the same version still running aseK before the VMS upgrade?  There may be a problem with RDB v7.0.5 against VMSe 7.2 and TCP/IP Services v5.0AaJ Heck, it may even be one of the issues that the 5.0A patch cures when it's installed......I  I >>>> What software are you running on the system and what was the processaG > running on the CPU that caused the problem?  We used to have problemso withK > UCX v4.1 and DCPS v1.3 or v1.5 as the two would not play happily together-# > and used to hang onto a spinlock.5 > Steve.  J The system stopped while in RDB exec, v.7.0.5. I haven't obsrved any notesB mentioning TCP/IP nor UCX (which was replaced with v50a during VMS upgrade).<<<   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 11:16:48 +0100m* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: Decserver 90M softwaref* Message-ID: <3aa36790$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  ~ In article <763C579A82F7D3118EE400D0B74723D10166B881@exchsrv.dairyworld.com>, "Olson, Ingemar" <IOlson@dairyworld.com> writes:K >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understandC= >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.    Please, don't do MIME !!  M >I know I should be able to reload the flash memory from the load server, but 8 >obviously I would need a more current MNENG2.SYS first. >n1 >Does anyone know where I can find such a beast? e  H Digital in their suicide (selling itself in parts instead of their greatE products) sold the network product group to Cabletron some years ago.   D Cabletron never integrated this group and sold it some months ago toE a investor group which reinstated the "Digital Network Product Group"s@ (which is currently the only one presenting the Digital logo ;-)   	http://www.dnpg.com/l  H All of them (DEC/COMPAQ, CABLETRON/ENTERASYS and DNPG.COM) never let youN simply download this software for free. So, ask (and probably pay) at DNPG.COM   HIH    -- S< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888k< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Mar 2001 11:20:12 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>a0 Subject: Re: Drop C/C++ better sooner than laterH Message-ID: <y4lmqkbjqb.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ' Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:    > if anyone wants to watch.s > Includes following sequence:( > "Looks like we had a transient on AC1"( > "We are critical on AC2 centre engine" > "Critical AC3 right" > "Lost DCUA centre" > "DCUB right" > "Copy that Houston"s > "Go with throttle up"n > "Roger go with throttle up"t >  > Anyone translate the above?3   Yes.  K What happened was a short circuit in some wires (due to abrasion - the wideoL spread existence of which triggered the grounding of the fleet for repair). K This lead to one of three (IIRC) redundant power busses and the hardware itsM was driving failing. The failed parts were, among others, at least one engineoM controller: these are redundant, and the backup took over without a problem. oI Had both controllers failed, the engine would have shut down, and at that L point in the flight, and engine shutdown would have meant a Return to LaunchL Site abort, the worst possible case whose survivability is uncertain - doing# U-turns at several Mach isn't easy.t  K I'm not certain what the abbreviations mean - they should be in the shuttleOJ reference guide on the KSC web site, but the list of abbreviations doesn't
 have them.  M They also on that flight had a leak in the cooling pipe that rings the engine C bell on one engine, due to debris. This resulted in somewhat higherFL consumption of hydrogen (fuel) that is used as a coolant for the engine bellH before it is burnt, in turn resulting in a slightly lower initial orbit.  M The backup control system for the whole system has never been used in flight.b   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:03:29 -0500g From: William_Bochnik@acml.com0 Subject: Re: Drop C/C++ better sooner than later> Message-ID: <OFF3BDB011.CB5EBF7C-ON85256A06.0052AF51@acml.com>  4 Please watch the quoting - the only thing I said was  4 and thus goes all the expertise in writing OS's.....        i                                                                                                          mi                     Christof                                                                             Si                     Brass                        To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              -i                     <brass@infopu                cc:                                                     oi                     ls.com>              Subject:     Re: Drop C/C++ better sooner than later            ei                                                                                                           i                     03/02/2001                                                                           gi                     10:29 PM                                                                              i                                                                                                          ni                                                                                                          w       William_Bochnik@acml.com wrote:  > 6 > and thus goes all the expertise in writing OS's..... >r1 > bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote iny" > <97omck$9k1$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>: >I
 > >In articlee; > <OF2253DC41.DB6B5919-ON88256A03.00083164@foundation.com>,'' > > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:e > >|>lA > >|> I've always said that programmers should be forced to writep > in= > >|> assembler for a year before being let loose in the realc > world. The> > >|> more you understand, the better you do regardless of the > tools you're > >|> using. > >fA > >Finally something I can agree with wholeheartedly.  Especiallyo
 > the last > >sentence. > >c > >bille > >l >a? > Here Here!  My understanding of "the machine" usually exceedsI > that of most> > of my peers, owing largely to writing (6502, 6809) assembler code > from 1981v	 > - 1985.l >n? > Ever seen Micro$oft's "BizTalk" programming environment?  Youe	 drag/dropa? > programming flowchart symbols into the workspace to constructi if/then/else? > logic, loops, etc.  There's little hope that a newbie working  with this tewl8 > will gain the necessary low-level exposure to become a proficient softwaret/ > engineer.  A "disabling technology", perhaps.  >t > ws >d > --3 > << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Sixty Grand. >>t >e > Warren Spencer > Senior Software Engineer > The Associated Press >yA > ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **   = Programming in assembly language can regarded as very harmfull= because in most cases structure and regularity of the code ist: sacrificed for performance gains. What can be learned fromA assembly language programming? It is ridiculous to think that youe will@ have a clue what the highly optimising DECC compiler does if you know how to program the Z80.  > Instead it is important to have a knowledge appropriate to the9 tools you use. If you use an OS API you have to study the @ documentation about the efficiency of the calls and routines. If? you use Ada you have to understand the Ada rendevouz concept ife youa@ want to use it to avoid misusing it. Knowing the AXP instruction< set, even be able to memorise it, doesn't help you anything.  ? Visualisation of algorithms and data structures is an important ; aspect of program quality. Having a tool to manipulate themd8 directly is great. What you need, of course, is a proper" documentation of what makes sense.          F ______________________________________________________________________  : The information contained in this transmission may contain< privileged and confidential information and is intended only< for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the< intended recipient,  or an employee or agent responsible for? delivering this message to the intended recipient,  any review, @ dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication> is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,A please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy # all copies of the original message.n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:19:49 +0100 From: "PSF" <paillon@sefram.fr>  Subject: Help Hard disk full2 Message-ID: <97vp9r$9os$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net>  J I make a mistake yesterday and the system disk is full  (reste =200 block) so I can't open a sessionTB I try to reboot the vax ( >>>b ) but the system stopped  completlyK If I try to reboot from a tape ( I use a backup system tape) (>>> b mka500)t the system stopped alsoR   Anybody can help me ?w   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 11:27:07 GMTn3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)a  Subject: Re: Help Hard disk full0 Message-ID: <97vt6b$iq2$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  T In article <97vp9r$9os$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net>, "PSF" <paillon@sefram.fr> writes:K >I make a mistake yesterday and the system disk is full  (reste =200 block)  >so I can't open a sessionC >I try to reboot the vax ( >>>b ) but the system stopped  completly L >If I try to reboot from a tape ( I use a backup system tape) (>>> b mka500) >the system stopped also  L What kind of a system is it? If it has a CD-drive or you are able to connectJ a SCSI-CD-drive (512 blocks) to it you may be able to boot from the OS CD,A exit to DCL, mount the system disk, remove some files and reboot.t   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanne  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:43:04 +0100e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>h  Subject: Re: Help Hard disk full) Message-ID: <3AA37BC8.650ADE0A@gtech.com>,  
 PSF wrote:L > I make a mistake yesterday and the system disk is full  (reste =200 block) > so I can't open a sessionrD > I try to reboot the vax ( >>>b ) but the system stopped  completly  , Try conversational boot and minimum startup.   (it is in the manuals)  M > If I try to reboot from a tape ( I use a backup system tape) (>>> b mka500)l > the system stopped also.  H That is weird. How can boot from a tape be effected by a disk being full ????   Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:06:07 +0100 From: "PSF" <paillon@sefram.fr>c  Subject: Re: Help Hard disk full2 Message-ID: <9806i5$n6n$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net>  
   OK !! i trys  >>>b/1g SYSBOOT>set startup_p1 "min"
 SYSBOOT> C .....h  > Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> a crit dans le message : 3AA37BC8.650ADE0A@gtech.com... > PSF wrote:G > > I make a mistake yesterday and the system disk is full  (reste =200l block) > > so I can't open a sessionlF > > I try to reboot the vax ( >>>b ) but the system stopped  completly >a. > Try conversational boot and minimum startup. >u > (it is in the manuals) > G > > If I try to reboot from a tape ( I use a backup system tape) (>>> bu mka500)  > > the system stopped alsoe >eJ > That is weird. How can boot from a tape be effected by a disk being full > ???? >l > Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 18:03:51 +0100 (CET)t: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>B Subject: Re: How to convert an indexed file to a sequential file??J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103051759420.11480-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  4 On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com wrote: [...]o? +According to VMS HELP, the SET MAGTAPE /REWIND (etc.) commandss> +are to be used only with tapes which are mounted /FOREIGN ...  ; ...because you can this way position the tape. B.ex. if your! will re-read the data from start.   < +although I don't know why, since it would seem to be a very> +useful command for tapes which are mounted "normally" (ANSI),! +too.  Hey, VMS Engr'g:  Why not?r  > ...because the tape positioning is done by RMS ? B.ex. if you @ will re-read the data (b.ex a "DIRE tape:") RMS will rewind the  tape.$>  WHAT (allowed by RMS) you will do with SET MAGTAPE/position ?   +cheers, +  Lorin    Regards - Gotfryd   -- gE =====================================================================,F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEn. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================.   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Mar 2001 18:12:30 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>qB Subject: Re: How to convert an indexed file to a sequential file??H Message-ID: <y4ofvg3zsx.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  < "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> writes:  > > +although I don't know why, since it would seem to be a very@ > +useful command for tapes which are mounted "normally" (ANSI),# > +too.  Hey, VMS Engr'g:  Why not?a > @ > ...because the tape positioning is done by RMS ? B.ex. if you B > will re-read the data (b.ex a "DIRE tape:") RMS will rewind the  > tape.o  K Correct - apart from the fact that the MTAACP is responsible for ANSI tapesQM and their "file" structure, not RMS (which only handles the innards of files B& - well, apart from file name parsing).   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:23:51 +0000 " From: Nic P Clews <nclews@csc.com>5 Subject: Re: how to determine when file is accessible-@ Message-ID: <OF46A11FE9.E588DD5E-ON80256A06.00441A0D@eu.csc.com>    Here's one that's good from DCL.  0 Using the F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES lexical, compare the8 CDT (created date/time) with the RDT (revised date/time) (a.k.a. modified date)  ; They are identical when a file is created until the file isn& closed. Just go into a loop comparing.  7 I used this technique very successfully with files thata0 ended up being transferred to a VMS system which/ required post processing on the VMS system, buty0 came from FTP or NFS or other 'offbeat' transfer0 methods where it was not possible to synchronise7 the appearance of a file in a directory with its actual  accessibility.  7 This does not work with files being modified of course!C= Oh, and getting out of the loop in certain circumstances etc.:= is up to you! Also if file systems get so fast that open, put)6 and closure takes place in sub 100th of a second, then this won't work!  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 19:30:15 +0100o* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)= Subject: Re: How to licence boot strapping a hobbyist system?e* Message-ID: <3aa3db37$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  X In article <3AA31613.AC7AC33E@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:>CSA is on my list. The hobbyist system has now the DW-MOTIF licence PAK but decided to change its behaviour. After booting the basic things the monitor goes off (black screen) when the DECwindows login prompt should be displayed. If I log in remotely I SHOW SYSTEM shows a DTLOGIN and a DTGREET process. If I blindly put in SYSTEM/<password> these two processes disappear but then a DTSESSION and a DTWM is visible (unfortunately only with SHOW SYSTEM not on the screen).>The first time after licensing OPENVMS-ALPHA the DECwindows login prompt was displayed nicely. Then I switched off the machine and interrupted the boot process just before the DECwindows prompt would have appeared, entered the licence PAKs in character mode and rebooted.6 >Has anybody an idea why the screen switched to black?  E Maybe because the default resolution of DWMOTIF is not displayable oneM your graphic system. I would start with 1280x1024 on graph-adapter/monitor...    -- /< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888a< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:43:28 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> E Subject: Re: How to replace a multi-volme disk set with larger disks? H Message-ID: <y4u258blfj.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  9 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:1  D > Well, understand what is happening in a restore. You are literallyJ > getting a header, allocating an extent, then populating that extent withH > the contents of the saveset. One file at a time - just as BACKUP findsJ > them in the saveset. A strictly synchronous, serial operation, even in a= > disk-to-disk /IMAGE copy or a disksaveset-to-disk restore. t  M There is no reason this has to be so, and I don't think BACKUP is as strictly L synchronous as you describe for this operation. Certainly, it shouldn't slowM things down by a factor of 20 - I have never seen that in practice unless theo? hardware wasn't cooperating (tape not streaming, for instance).e   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 18:53:51 +0100u* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)E Subject: Re: How to replace a multi-volme disk set with larger disks?n* Message-ID: <3aa3d2af$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  g In article <3AA06120.BC0DFBAF@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:g >"Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:	 >> [snip]RM >> Well, VMS 7.2 allows you to initialize very large disks with a clustersizee >> of 1. >dG >Assuming it's not a mixed-version or mixed-architecture cluster, yes - 
 >that's true.4  # Sorry, no, David. Richard is right.t  P Mixed-Architecture is no problem (as long it's OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha ;-)> Mixed-Version is no problem (as long it's OpenVMS V7.2 and up)  8 Don't confuse ODS2[a] with ODS5 (which is Alpha only)...   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888+< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:18:09 GMT % From: "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se>"- Subject: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....)C2 Message-ID: <3AA367F0.D81119D2@byron.ext.telia.se>  H Come to think of Beatles When I'm Sixty Four, excellent promo when their   IA64 is out.  < ....When I get older losing my hair, many years from now....B      will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I'm sixy four..  ;-)      /P.Ljh   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2001 02:12:05 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>1 Subject: Re: Intel joke (When I'm Sixty Four....) - Message-ID: <8766hogk5m.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ' "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se> writes:h  D > Come to think of Beatles When I'm Sixty Four, excellent promo when > their IA64 is out.  = Ah, looked at the top right of a #9 videoed 4100 as it inits?n   -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:55:29 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  Subject: Re: Janitor fixes 90LH Message-ID: <y4ofvgbkvh.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  # Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:e  J > I was always fond of the one about the dead pigeons they kept finding onJ > the steps of the Baltic Exchange in London. It took a while, but someoneH > finally realised that they were flying through beam from the microwaveI > communications dish on top of (I think) the Net West tower, and getting  > cooked mid flight.  L I suspect this is an urban legend. You can easily do _power_transfer_ in theJ microwave band and have people safely stand in the beam without any dangerK whatsoever. You wouldn't do data transfer on the water band (2.1 GHz, IIRC) L that is used by a microwave oven anyway, because air contains a variable butI potentially large amount of water ("the rain in Spain falls mainly in theSN plain"), and having a broken link in a London fog isn't that good an idea. ButI even if you were using that band, it will take about 30s to a minute, I'd J guesstimate, at quite high power levels to "cook" a pigeon's brain enough.   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 08:37:34 -0500e9 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) ' Subject: Re: Just Two Days Left to Vote 3 Message-ID: <yGoCvjOSdf1l@eisner.encompasserve.org>   s In article <g08o6.7091$3F2.2074053@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: L > Yes, the chad-free electronic poll at www.compaqworkinggroup.org closes onH > March 5. If you've got a hankering for affordable VMS, a suggestion toL > improve marketing, or even a suggestion on how to ramp up iPAQ production,I > visit the site and speak your piece. Many of the issues you can vote onl, > contain text boxes for free-form comments.    I How can the vote be considered CHAD free when it won't work with securityi concious browsers?   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 08:41:30 -050069 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow).' Subject: Re: Just Two Days Left to Votea3 Message-ID: <$Tde6b$CDcIr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   s In article <g08o6.7091$3F2.2074053@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: L > Yes, the chad-free electronic poll at www.compaqworkinggroup.org closes onH > March 5. If you've got a hankering for affordable VMS, a suggestion toL > improve marketing, or even a suggestion on how to ramp up iPAQ production,I > visit the site and speak your piece. Many of the issues you can vote on,, > contain text boxes for free-form comments.  H Say, if the site doesn't work with a text only browser lyke LYNX here on3 EISNER, is it then not ADA compliant? Just curious?r   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 08:45:40 -0500t- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Just Two Days Left to Voteu3 Message-ID: <HovPq8ns4x5k@eisner.encompasserve.org>"  o In article <$Tde6b$CDcIr@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes:a > J > Say, if the site doesn't work with a text only browser lyke LYNX here on5 > EISNER, is it then not ADA compliant? Just curious?   < I thought to be Ada compliant, the browser had to do Braile?E Do you think we can get the Feds to go after all those IE only sites?r  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationu= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupwE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingr   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:40:57 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>f, Subject: Re: Looking for VI emulator for TPU) Message-ID: <3AA37B49.BE21AFB1@gtech.com>t   Robert Deininger wrote:gI >              The reference was "Chris Higgins OpenVMS Software list II,yL > versino 8.50".  I don't know anything about Chris Higgins or this software: > list.  Can anyone point me to it's current home, if any?  ? To my best knowledge this list is not being maintained anymore.t   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 11:23:11 -0500_2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger), Subject: Re: Looking for VI emulator for TPUL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0503011123110001@user-2ive7ok.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <3AA37B49.BE21AFB1@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:i   > Robert Deininger wrote:iK > >              The reference was "Chris Higgins OpenVMS Software list II,uN > > versino 8.50".  I don't know anything about Chris Higgins or this software< > > list.  Can anyone point me to it's current home, if any? > A > To my best knowledge this list is not being maintained anymore.   J I think I can do without it after all.  I was pointed to another source ofJ the VI version that I had seen referenced in this software list.  So now II am reconciling 3 "official" versions.  I've added modifications to one ofc. them, and another person has modified another.   Watch this space for updates.t   -- c Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 11:17:59 +0000d/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>-" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations7 Message-ID: <009F88EE.661A2156.12@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>j  O > >I also think that PART of the Microsoft NT reliability problem is the crappynN > >hardware it has to run on.  If VMS supported all the junk that NT supports,G > >I doubt it would be as reliable and would probably be more maligned.b > J > Apparently it's more like MOST of the reliability problem.  A friend of K > mine (who many years ago did VMS) tells me that if you buy IBM PC serverssK > (and he may have meant specific models) and install the IBM drivers - andsI > avoid sticking anything else in the box (no other graphics cards, etc.)b& > then the machines are very reliable.  A Hmmm. What does he mean by "very reliable"? MTBF of three months?n  H Sorry, but I don't buy this argument. I'm in a position to compare LinuxG and NT on identical hardware. Linux just runs and runs and runs. NT hasrG an MTBF of ~3 months, on the same hardware platforms. (And also one can K do almost all software updating on Linux without needing to reboot, whereas / just about any change to NT requires a reboot).9  D Certainly, there is crappy PC hardware out there. But in my opinion,E it's "Microsoft Quality Hardware" that they can get away with selling I because of the known unreliability of Windows, expecially of the 9x sort.r  H Oh - and a decent operating system *tells* you about defective hardware,A rather than just pretending everything is AOK until its too late.S   	Yours, 
 		Nigel Arnote- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   =  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 13:59:03 +0100o= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>t" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations) Message-ID: <3AA38D97.7211FA70@gtech.com>m   David Mathog wrote:iF > Your kidding, right?  Just in case you aren't, and speaking only forI > _small_ systems, here's why.  Numeric scores are 1-10, 10 being good or7 > best, 1 being worst. > A >                        VMS             Solaris          Windows$A > Lots of software       1  no           7  yes           10  yes>  @ No doubt that VMS has the smallest software base of those three,> but 1 looks too low to me. Most types of software are actually? available. The number of brands to choose from is just smaller.e? And the products are not always latest and greatest technology.o  B > speed of software      3  low          8  high           9  high  8 I know that you are very focused on the slower IO due to< VMS insisting on getting data written physical to the disks.< But how many types of production usage are really effected ?? I can think of two: file-server and really huge builds. It doesp7 not matter for many other usages: database, web-server, ; editing and smaller builds. So again I think you are giving3 VMS too low grades.m  A > cost of software       1  ultrahigh    5  medium         9  lowH   ????  = I see no particular evidence of this. Windows software is notN@ cheap. 50% of what is used is illegal copies, but I do not count that.0  . And Solaris software can be damned expensive !  A > cost to obtain system  1  expensive    4  low-medium     8  low   @ Again I think you are mis-using the scale. Nobody will argue the* order, but 3-4-7 sound much more sensible.  A > cost to obtain OS      1  expensive   10  free           3  loww  E "Solaris is free" is a bit of a myth. Solaris on x86 are really free. A It is a toy that SUN give away to compete with Linux and Windows..A Whether SUN sell a SPARC system for 5000 USD and give away a freerB Solaris or sell the SPARC system for 3000 USD and sell the Solaris> for 2000 USD does not matter much. The only difference is that1 it is not much point in running Linux on SPARC !!   7 Also VMS has some special very favourable programs for:=	   - ISV's    - educational institutions
   - hobbyists"  G > reliability            9  high         9  high-delta     1  don't ask   0 I would not give VMS and Solaris the same grade.  I > academic program       1  harmful      7  good          10  unnecessary   @ I do not agree with the "harmfull" for the VMS academic program.
 Price-wiseF I think it is excellent. There are just too much bureaucracy involved.  G > suitability for        0  zero         5  fair          10  excellentt >  "desktop" usage   ????  D Since VMS and Solaris uses the same GUI (X/Motif/CDE), then I do not
 understand the different scores !   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 14:08:44 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> " Subject: Re: Low cost workstations) Message-ID: <3AA38FDC.BF8C745A@gtech.com>R   David Mathog wrote:nZ > In article <3AA05747.105F2CD2@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: > >John Vottero wrote: > N > Remember, this is all for SMALL systems, which I stated in the initial post. >  > >> >F > >> >                        VMS             Solaris          WindowsF > >> > Lots of software       1  no           7  yes           10  yes< > >    Not necessary see my other post to Davids HW analysis > M > Count up the number of available and useful Word processors, spread sheets,nL > databases, CAD programs, drawing programs, etc.  I'll stand by my numbers.  B Sorry, but I guess both me and many others read "small systems" as "small servers"r$ and "Windows" and "Windows NT/2000".  A Noone will try and suggest that VMS is a competitive platform for B word-processors and spreadsheets against Windows 98/ME. Neither is- Solaris. Only Linux have a small chance here.y  G > >> > speed of software      3  low          8  high           9  hight) > >                              Not true  > J > Depends on what they do.  If they write to files with any frequency this
 > is true.   Only true for applications: 4   - where write speed is significant for total speedD   - where writes are "standard" writes and not "special" writes like	 databaseseF   - it is not important whether data are lost in case of power failure or     system crash  E There are many systems running this kind of applications. A PathWorks 0 file-server is probably one of the more obvious.  E But there are many other types of applications and system where it iss nott	 the case.g  F > >> > cost of software       1  ultrahigh    5  medium         9  low< > >                              Not true if you look at TCO > F > Yes true, because TCO on a small VMS system is dominated by softwareG > development costs.  The TCO numbers Compaq waves around are for largeeL > systems using packaged software (Oracle and the like.)  It does not fit myC > situation at all - where I have to port and handhold every single. > application.  F Low TCO has not much to do with the size of the system. VMS is clearlyF handicapped in the "download freeware and build it yourself" game, but( again that is a rather specilized usage.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:42:38 -0300h) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brj" Subject: Re: Low cost workstationsL Message-ID: <OF884231FA.9CC3B960-ON03256A06.004AD061@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  5 You are forgetting the COST OF STAFF of these systemsa  F How many OpenVMS System Managers per servers ?  Here is 1 to manage  2 servers.4 How many WNT Admins per servers ? Here are 8 to  30.4 How many Unix Roots per servers ? Here are 3  to 10.  D  I lost  :-((( The company will not make investm.  in OVMS anymore !   Regards-  
 Fabio CardosoA        = Arne Vajh=F8j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> em 05/03/2001 10:08:44A             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       " Assunto: Re: Low cost workstations     David Mathog wrote:0= > In article <3AA05747.105F2CD2@infopuls.com>, Christof Brassr <brass@infopuls.com> writes: > >John Vottero wrote: > H > Remember, this is all for SMALL systems, which I stated in the initia= lt post.n >m > >> >F > >> >                        VMS             Solaris          WindowsF > >> > Lots of software       1  no           7  yes           10  yes< > >    Not necessary see my other post to Davids HW analysis > E > Count up the number of available and useful Word processors, spreadu sheets,KC > databases, CAD programs, drawing programs, etc.  I'll stand by myt numbers.  B Sorry, but I guess both me and many others read "small systems" as "small servers"s$ and "Windows" and "Windows NT/2000".  A Noone will try and suggest that VMS is a competitive platform foriB word-processors and spreadsheets against Windows 98/ME. Neither is- Solaris. Only Linux have a small chance here.a  H > >> > speed of software      3  low          8  high           9  high=  ) > >                              Not true0 >1H > Depends on what they do.  If they write to files with any frequency t= his 
 > is true.   Only true for applications:d4   - where write speed is significant for total speedD   - where writes are "standard" writes and not "special" writes like	 databaseseF   - it is not important whether data are lost in case of power failure or     system crash  E There are many systems running this kind of applications. A PathWorksn0 file-server is probably one of the more obvious.  E But there are many other types of applications and system where it is  not-	 the case.e  F > >> > cost of software       1  ultrahigh    5  medium         9  low< > >                              Not true if you look at TCO >fF > Yes true, because TCO on a small VMS system is dominated by softwareH > development costs.  The TCO numbers Compaq waves around are for large=  H > systems using packaged software (Oracle and the like.)  It does not f= it myC > situation at all - where I have to port and handhold every single  > application.  F Low TCO has not much to do with the size of the system. VMS is clearlyF handicapped in the "download freeware and build it yourself" game, but( again that is a rather specilized usage.   Arne         =a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:31:53 -0500t. From: "Vajhoej, Arne" <Arne.Vajhoej@GTECH.COM>" Subject: RE: Low cost workstations> Message-ID: <8994A66FFE9ED411BD200008C75D64FD753FA6@BELMAIL02>  7 The reason that VMS is lower than Unix and NT in TCO is-* exactly that it requires less management !   Arne   -----Original Message-----) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brt, [mailto:fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br]! Sent: Monday 05. March 2001 14:43. To: arne.vajhoej@gtech.com Cc: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come" Subject: Re: Low cost workstations    5 You are forgetting the COST OF STAFF of these systemsa  F How many OpenVMS System Managers per servers ?  Here is 1 to manage  2 servers.4 How many WNT Admins per servers ? Here are 8 to  30.4 How many Unix Roots per servers ? Here are 3  to 10.  D  I lost  :-((( The company will not make investm.  in OVMS anymore !   Regards   
 Fabio Cardoso-        = Arne Vajh=F8j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> em 05/03/2001 10:08:44              Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu      " Assunto: Re: Low cost workstations     David Mathog wrote:b= > In article <3AA05747.105F2CD2@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass. <brass@infopuls.com> writes: > >John Vottero wrote: >eB > Remember, this is all for SMALL systems, which I stated in the = initialx post.i >o > >> >F > >> >                        VMS             Solaris          WindowsF > >> > Lots of software       1  no           7  yes           10  yes< > >    Not necessary see my other post to Davids HW analysis >cE > Count up the number of available and useful Word processors, spreadi sheets,aC > databases, CAD programs, drawing programs, etc.  I'll stand by myo numbers.  B Sorry, but I guess both me and many others read "small systems" as "small servers"v$ and "Windows" and "Windows NT/2000".  A Noone will try and suggest that VMS is a competitive platform foraB word-processors and spreadsheets against Windows 98/ME. Neither is- Solaris. Only Linux have a small chance here.e  G > >> > speed of software      3  low          8  high           9  high ) > >                              Not trues >aG > Depends on what they do.  If they write to files with any frequency =0 this
 > is true.   Only true for applications:v4   - where write speed is significant for total speedD   - where writes are "standard" writes and not "special" writes like	 databases<F   - it is not important whether data are lost in case of power failure or     system crash  E There are many systems running this kind of applications. A PathWorksp0 file-server is probably one of the more obvious.  E But there are many other types of applications and system where it isg noto	 the case.   F > >> > cost of software       1  ultrahigh    5  medium         9  low< > >                              Not true if you look at TCO >mF > Yes true, because TCO on a small VMS system is dominated by softwareG > development costs.  The TCO numbers Compaq waves around are for largeaG > systems using packaged software (Oracle and the like.)  It does not =a fito myC > situation at all - where I have to port and handhold every single$ > application.  F Low TCO has not much to do with the size of the system. VMS is clearlyF handicapped in the "download freeware and build it yourself" game, but( again that is a rather specilized usage.   Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:57:12 -0500% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>," Subject: Re: Low cost workstations. Message-ID: <ta7drh12c5o4e@news.supernews.com>  7 "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message # news:3AA38D97.7211FA70@gtech.com...  > David Mathog wrote:t [snip] >a0 > And Solaris software can be damned expensive ! >hC > > cost to obtain system  1  expensive    4  low-medium     8  low- > B > Again I think you are mis-using the scale. Nobody will argue the, > order, but 3-4-7 sound much more sensible. >VC > > cost to obtain OS      1  expensive   10  free           3  lowc ><G > "Solaris is free" is a bit of a myth. Solaris on x86 are really free..C > It is a toy that SUN give away to compete with Linux and Windows.aC > Whether SUN sell a SPARC system for 5000 USD and give away a freemD > Solaris or sell the SPARC system for 3000 USD and sell the Solaris@ > for 2000 USD does not matter much. The only difference is that3 > it is not much point in running Linux on SPARC !!- >-9 > Also VMS has some special very favourable programs for:  >   - ISV's  >   - educational institutions >   - hobbyistsS >w  J Solaris for SPARC is free as long as the system has less than 8 CPUs.  YouI can buy a brand new SPARC workstation with unlimited user Solaris licensee. for $995.  I want Compaq to compete with this!  J Check http://www.sun.com to verify this.  You don't have to go any further then the front page.   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Mar 2001 17:18:34 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>y" Subject: Re: Low cost workstationsH Message-ID: <y4vgpow5np.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ? Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:o  I > > suitability for        0  zero         5  fair          10  excellente > >  "desktop" usageF > Since VMS and Solaris uses the same GUI (X/Motif/CDE), then I do not# > understand the different scores !U  M I didn't notice that one initially. This is clearly bogus. In particular, the J Win32 interface is broken in many ways, mostly by taking away choice (everM tried to type into a window not on top? Dialog boxes refusing to go back? andTK assorted other nonsense). Given Arne's comment, I'd give them 7,7,5 on this.8 one - really good (a 9 to 10) is NeXTStep, for instance.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 13:25:24 -0300k) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra" Subject: Re: Low cost workstationsL Message-ID: <OF0D37DAA8.74CFD994-ON03256A06.005A2D38@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Dont forget the Amiga GUIa   :-).   Regards    FC        D Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> em 05/03/2001 13:18:34m             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come      " Assunto: Re: Low cost workstations    ? Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:   I > > suitability for        0  zero         5  fair          10  excellent. > >  "desktop" usageF > Since VMS and Solaris uses the same GUI (X/Motif/CDE), then I do not# > understand the different scores !t  I I didn't notice that one initially. This is clearly bogus. In particular,  theIJ Win32 interface is broken in many ways, mostly by taking away choice (everI tried to type into a window not on top? Dialog boxes refusing to go back?k andTK assorted other nonsense). Given Arne's comment, I'd give them 7,7,5 on thisS8 one - really good (a 9 to 10) is NeXTStep, for instance.        Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:46:23 -0800n! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.coms Subject: Re: New Sun BladeD Message-ID: <OFC35D97C6.27541FF3-ON88256A06.00616FF0@foundation.com>  K But it's better than Compaq's nonexistant offering in the same price range.sK Before denouncing it though, we should watch the sales. It's only feeble ifs it doesn't sell.   Shane           A Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com> on 03/02/2001 09:23:31 PMl   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt cc:n   Subject:  Re: New Sun Bladet    ? The Sun Blade 100 is a another feeble attempt for Sun to unloadrB yesterday's technology.  Please note that this system uses the nowC ancient UltraSparc II family processor.  The Sun Blade 1000 use theo6 UltraSparc III processor which EV6 can easily clobber.  G The Sun Blade 100 is and upgrade from the Ultra 5 (1 PCI slots, onboard,2 video with no upgrade) and Ultra 10 (4 PCI slots).    
 Jack Patteeuw     * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >K > Again. . . > C > I will repeat.... Compaq needs to develop a new Compact Alpha ...- >-0 > Or Sun will have the dominance in workstations >9K > http://www.sun.com/2001-0227/sunblade/;$sessionid$5PNYJJQAABARPAMTA1FU5YQu >cH > I dont understand why Compaq dont have standard workstations and still refurbishing= > ES-40 and DS-10 and saying they are "unix workstations"....s >kA > Compaq is losing this marketing.....or is it already lost ?????1 >1F > Sun, SGI, HP, IBM have standard workstations  to the marketing ! ! ! > A > Compaq put a graphical card in one machine and says it is a WS.o > 	 > Regardse >  > FC   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 19:07:18 +0100s* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)= Subject: Re: Pls help with $PRODUCT INSTALL on this PCSI fileo* Message-ID: <3aa3d5d6$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  g In article <3AA0633D.F20AA3AF@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  >Here's the correct syntax:  > - >$ ren DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721_PCSI-V0100--4.PCSI -n4 >ren DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721_PCSI-V0100--4.pcsi-DCX_AXPEXE   ??  2 $ RENAME DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721_PCSI-V0100--4.PCSI .EXED 	(or if you really like - the original extension - .PCSI_DCX_AXPEXE)   and then  % $ RUN DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721_PCSI-V0100--4r 	(or if you really choose to: 7 	$ RUN DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721_PCSI-V0100--4.PCSI_DCX_AXPEXE)   > Why specify the whole name, when you don't want to change it ?P Why specify the original extension, when you can have a shorter (and standard) ?   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888b< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Mar 2001 12:00:51 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>o= Subject: Re: Problem compiling Fortran program with /SEPARATEtH Message-ID: <y4g0gsbhuk.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  / djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes:P  F > Your statement implies he's got his calling convention wrong but if C > he's confusing LOGICAL*1 and CHARACTER*1 I'd expect to see %DESC iE > somewhere _if_ the LOGICAL is in the call and CHAR in the routine. f  I It's the other way 'round - he's passing a character constant (e.g., 'x')tL to a LOGICAL*1 value. The compiler and linker team up to fix this particularG behaviour, in part AFAIK because of the support for the older Hollerith ) constants in F66. It's still broken code.    	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 08:50:14 -0500 3 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)c, Subject: Re: SAMBA 2.0.6 seems to hate me...3 Message-ID: <NU2mmRTFgKQZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>k  _ In article <5.0.2.1.0.20010302110747.0253f858@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes:a1 > At 03:48 PM 3/2/2001 +0000, David Mathog wrote:-I >>In article <5.0.2.1.0.20010301105553.019f6eb8@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalskio >><dan@sidhe.org> writes:vH >> >I've been trying to get Samba 2.0.6 up and running, with close to noN >> >success (smbclient works, which is something), and it's beginning to annoyM >> >me. I know folks have this working so I know it can work, but it beats mer >> >what's wrong.r >> >  H I always recommend setting SAMBA servers * NOT * to be browse masters ifL there is a real Windows box on the network.  Sometimes browser election wars or other bad things happen.   H This is opposite to the SAMBA teams recommendations and unfortunately isI the default setting in the SMB.CONF including the template that I put in.d  G Remember that Windows NT and 2K passwords are case sensitive, and theree< must be an existing VMS account to match the client account.  I In the file (SMBD_STARTUP.COM, IIRC), there is a logical that you can setW> from "-d4" to "-d99" to get more information in the SMBD.CONF.  I The SAMBA__GUEST account is always used when an NT or Windows 2000 clientE1 connects to a VMS Samba Server, so it must exist.c  K All versions and platforms of SAMBA prior to SAMBA 2.0.7 will have problemshI with Windows 2000.  That is a known issue.  It works for some and not fory others.t  G I do not know for sure if all of the W2K problems have been solved withl0 SAMBA 2.0.7.  A memory leak has been introduced.   -Johns Wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only.E Internet / E-Mail Access for the next week will be extremely limited.t   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 08:22:55 -0500h3 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)s) Subject: Re: Samba on OpenVMS & passwords 3 Message-ID: <Gpo3$MhcImRn@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  K > In article <01Feb26.102223cet.119041@gateway.add.si>, Borut Kurnik wrote:f+ >> From: Borut Kurnik <borut.kurnik@add.si>  >> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms( >> Subject: Samba on OpenVMS & passwords( >> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:17:26 +0100 >> >> Hi! >>O >> I have installed Samba 2.0.6 on OpenVMS 7.2-1 running on a DS20 Alpha serveroB >> I wonder what must I do to get the encrypted passwords to work. >> When I put this >>  G Encryted passwords will work if you enter the exact password the clientt4 has using the SMBPASSWD program supplied with 2.0.6.  K The password does not need to match the OpenVMS password, Window NT versionu  of passwords are case sensitive.  C There must be a valid OpenVMS account with a home directory that itaA has write access to.  This account must have the same name as theo account on the client side.w  ) The SAMBA__GUEST account must also exist.C   -John0 wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------    Date: 05 Mar 2001 12:18:05 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> ( Subject: Re: Satellite MV2000 won't bootH Message-ID: <y4bsrgbh1u.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  C When running locally, translate the %X56 error code with F$MESSAGE.    	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 17:58:47 +01001) From: anface@yahoo.com (SANFACE Software)o Subject: SHAREWARE: jpg2pdf 1.1o= Message-ID: <20010305165845.15475.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com>5   What is jpg2pdf?    6 jpg2pdf is a very flexible and powerful PERL5 program.5 It can convert a collection of jpeg images into a PDFm album.- You can use jpg2pdf like a module inside your> applications (cgis, ...).    Why do you need jpg2pdf?    6 jpg2pdf is a PERL5 tool, so you can use it in every OS supported by PERL51 we distribute also a Windows executable versions  5 jpg2pdf is a native converter, you don't need to passb through PostScript format 4 jpg2pdf is specific to put your jpeg images inside a PDF, so 2 you can create (batch) a unique PDF file from your5 JPEG archive (using * and ? metachars: e.g. a*.jpg or 
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We help you see your full potential.l mailto:sanface@sanface.com http://www.sanface.com" WAP    http://www.sanface.com/wap/  i-mode http://www.sanface.com/i/  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?/ Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. d http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/n   -- .2 Posted from web108.mail.yahoo.com [205.180.60.75] 1 via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORGh   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2001 02:26:07 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: SWXCR reconfiguration problem. - Message-ID: <871yscgji8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   B I went to re-config a SWXCRs drives this evening. It is currently:  & DRA0: 6 drives ( 0,1 on all channels ) DRA1: 6 drives ( 5,6 on all )-- DRA2: 4 drives ( 2 on all, 3 on 3rd channel )0 DRA3: 3 drives ( 4 on all)9 DRA4: 1 drive  ( 3 on 2nd ) lun 3 on channel 3 is unused.s  > I want to split DRA1: into smaller units, but running RCU does> not seem to offer any way other than removing ALL except DRA0:$ and then putting them back in order.  5 Is there some way to just reconfig the disks in DRA1?q   All are RAID0 except DRA4: btw.a     -- q< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.u@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 08:08:43 GMT % From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com81 Subject: UCX Device sockets - buffer or I/O dropse* Message-ID: <97vhib$4dr$1@news.netmar.com>   Hi,a  M I am currently running UCX v4.2 with OpenVMS v7.2-1. My application creates a8I large number of UCX sockets. When I do a UCX> show dev bg5664:/full I seeb the.F counter "buffer or I/O drops" increasing. I can find no information on whatI this might mean, or how to correct it. The counters displayed by the UCX>.( SHOW COMMUNICATION/MEMORY show no drops.   Thanks Andrew      O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  ----- M   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupssI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postsyL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 14:38:07 GMTm5 From: danco@cx48228-c.escnd1.sdca.home.com (Dan Cook) 5 Subject: Re: UCX Device sockets - buffer or I/O dropsl- Message-ID: <slrn9a79j6.lqv.danco@pebble.org>n  ; On 5 Mar 2001 08:08:43 GMT, andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.coma( <andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com> wrote:  N >I am currently running UCX v4.2 with OpenVMS v7.2-1. My application creates aJ >large number of UCX sockets. When I do a UCX> show dev bg5664:/full I see >theG >counter "buffer or I/O drops" increasing. I can find no information onn >whathJ >this might mean, or how to correct it. The counters displayed by the UCX>) >SHOW COMMUNICATION/MEMORY show no drops.   : It means you need to upgrade to UCX 5.X.  I'm not kidding.   - Danr   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:38:24 +0100' From: "H.Wild" <heino.wild@tmt-gmbh.de>u Subject: UCX TimeOut4 Message-ID: <97vqb6$225p$1@koroth.muc.eurocyber.net>   Hello,  H How can i modify the Time for the TimeOut when i use too Connect a otherH Maschine over ftp or anything an the Machine is currently not reachable?   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Mar 2001 11:53:29 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>m' Subject: Re: UCX/TCPIP 5.1 for HobbyistsH Message-ID: <y4itlobi6u.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net> writes:  M > > Did the code improve in quality through this porting effort, one wonders?wJ >     You apparently don't use TCPIP, otherwise you wouldn't be wondering.  K I don't understand the reply. Are you thinking of comparing UCX vs TCPIP? Ie& was thinking TCPIP/DUNIX vs TCPIP/VMS.  4 > > That is data memory, not code memory, I presume.N >     Incorrect.  Why do you presume that it's one and not the other?  How can< > support for IPv6 be added and have no affect on code size?  N IPv6 is neither here nor there when comparing two IPv4 implementations. And inK any network implementation I have previously seen, the code is only a small J part of the whole memory requirements. You seem to indirectly support that below. !   > > Is there so muchJ > > leeway in TCP/IP that implmentations can differ so much in complexity?J >     There is no "leeway" as far as the protocols and interfaces go.  TheA > internals of an implementation is what separates them.  If your K > implementation keeps a linked list of sockets and ours uses a hash to mapnN > incoming datagrams to their socket, which do you think will be faster?  WhatL > if there are 1,000 active sockets?  How about 10,000?  Is this really what$ > you mean by leeway and complexity?  J And the hash table consumes more memory, per socket, than the linked list? Show me.  K Note I'm not trying to be antagonistic - I just don't understand why a coreoI product such as a TCP/IP implementation shouldn't be as lean as possible,dM especially for code (memory-speed tradeoffs for data are another matter). AndnL therefore I have difficulty understanding why the TCPIP implementation (withL its apparently much better robustness, but that's, again, a different issue)B should use so much more memory, and code memory to boot, than UCX.   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:02:48 GMTa- From: Stefan.Bill@soudronic.com (Stefan Bill)u  Subject: Re: Umbrella in Germany. Message-ID: <3aa355f1.6253872@news.cis.dfn.de>  C On Fri, 02 Mar 2001 21:09:27 +0000, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>n wrote:   > Your CIO/Director-D >(if he survives the shock of seeing VMS promo stuff) will then stopG >referring to VMS as 'legacy' and immediately authorize buying spankingu+ >new Alphaservers. Hey, it worked for me :)U  3 The order for our new ES40 is just in the pipeline.e     Stefan   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2001 08:22:37 -0500t9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)y  Subject: Re: Umbrella in Germany3 Message-ID: <5D1KCZaBVc47@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  ^ In article <3aa355f1.6253872@news.cis.dfn.de>, Stefan.Bill@soudronic.com (Stefan Bill) writes:E > On Fri, 02 Mar 2001 21:09:27 +0000, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>- > wrote: >  >> Your CIO/DirectorE >>(if he survives the shock of seeing VMS promo stuff) will then stopcH >>referring to VMS as 'legacy' and immediately authorize buying spanking, >>new Alphaservers. Hey, it worked for me :) > 5 > The order for our new ES40 is just in the pipeline.  >  >  > Stefan  ) Ok, Sue.  Cancel Stefan's umbrella.   :-)c   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:16:11 -0800/ From: "Marc Chametzky" <Marc.Chametzky@Sun.Com>i( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?1 Message-ID: <980hii$q3s$1@westnews1.West.Sun.COM>o  * This message was posted many months ago...  I > Are any commercial databases available for VMS hobbyist (at no charge)?e  L Around that time, I inquired to Oracle about a hobbyist version of RDB. TheyF checked into it and now Oracle has recently added RDB for VMS to their9 "Oracle Technology Network" (at http://otn.oracle.com/ ).r  2 If you sign up (which is free), you can then go toL http://otn.oracle.com/products/rdb7/ and click on the gray "Software" box to= download the software. It's available for both VAX and Alpha.S   Cheers to Oracle!    --Marc   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:34:57 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>:@ Subject: Re: VMS V7.2+ bug - directory modification date changes) Message-ID: <3AA3C030.C17CE499@bbc.co.uk>C   John Santos wrote:   >g > G > Also, the command files in question also run on VMS V7.1, which woulds4 > of course break if I added /noincremental to them. >   G  heck, I've been coding stuff to run with both UCX$ and TCPIP$ flavours G of TCP/IP services, you could put some VMS version dependencies in your N code, its a pain but if it gets the job done its worth doing, certainly better thanE maintaining different versions of the code on different VMS versions.a   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uki  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:58:30 GMTp- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)-) Subject: WKU FILESERV: Updated FTP_MIRRORt0 Message-ID: <3aa3b68e.12844759@swen.process.com>  F The following package has been updated on FTP.WKU.EDU and its mirrors:      o FTP_MIRROR (Updated)o  5 	FTP_MIRROR V1.0-2 is a DCL procedure that lets a VMSt3 	system mirror an FTP site (both VMS and UNIX sitesi0 	are supported.  This version fixes a bug in the9         generation of the summary message that would omite;         the last failed transfer from the transfer summary.c  3 You can find this package using the following URLs:   ! http://www2.wku.edu/www/fileserv/e  - ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/ftp_mirror.zipn5 ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/ftp_mirror.zipD> http://www.tmk.com/ftp/ftp-wku-edu/vms/fileserv/ftp_mirror.zip9 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/ftp-wku-edu/vms/fileserv/ftp_mirror.zip   5 These mirrors should be updated in the next 24 hours:   E           ftp.vms.stacken.kth.se, under [.MIRRORS.WKU.VMS.FILESERV]. 48           ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se, under [.WKU.VMS.FILESERV].            ftp.riken.go.jp :           ftp.vsm.com.au, under kits and kits/decwindows. :           www.vsm.com.au/ftp/, via the WWW instead of FTP.     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/N9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/p   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.128 ************************